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Speaker 1: On today's Way Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast, we jump back
Speaker 1: fifteen years to the twenty eleven episode of our live
Speaker 1: call in show. James Caldon and Pat McNeil talked with
Speaker 1: callers about a thousand and one different possible directions ww
Speaker 1: WE could go with through aout the following week, How
Speaker 1: Doughabie could answer the big question of what they do
Speaker 1: at SummerSlam to top money of the banks. John Cena
Speaker 1: cm punk match, possible pay per view matches or triple
Speaker 1: higainst Punk Edge's possible reinvolvement in Christian storyline Goldber coming
Speaker 1: to WWE, and why it didn't work out. More about
Speaker 1: Cmpunk's future and in the VIP exclusive. After show, they
Speaker 1: dove into the McNeil mailbag for a look at the
Speaker 1: history of tournaments in pro wrestling. So let's get to it.
Speaker 1: This originally livestream down July twenty, twenty eleven. It's Today's
Speaker 1: way Keller Prosing Podcast fifteen years ago. Flashback for Friday,
Speaker 1: August seventh, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: You're listening, dude, p by tors live gast does this
Speaker 3: pea by Torch has just been Editor James Budwell hosting
Speaker 3: today on Wednesday, July twentieth, twenty eleventh, day by of course,
Speaker 3: on Wednesday's Torch Calmas, Patty Neil, Pat How are you today?
Speaker 4: I'm doing fine, James, Hello you people.
Speaker 3: Hello, indeed and Pat Do you know the significance of
Speaker 3: today's show?
Speaker 4: I'm guessing I don't.
Speaker 3: Okay. It is the first Pat me Neil live cast
Speaker 3: of the post McMahon era. Now that is significant.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, yes, yeah, that's technically Privilelake is part
Speaker 4: of the McMahon family.
Speaker 3: So so the the first helms the first Helmsley era
Speaker 3: live cast of Patty.
Speaker 4: That might that might be well, we've already well that's true,
Speaker 4: but there already was a Helmsley era. They did the
Speaker 4: same storyline would have back in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's true as well. So I guess my whole
Speaker 3: intro is just messed up. Thanks, Pat, appreciate it now.
Speaker 4: I'm an I can help.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 3: We've got a lot of people on hold and not
Speaker 3: too much not too busy of a news day today,
Speaker 3: a lot of still just fought out from raw money
Speaker 3: the bank to talk about. Uh. Pat, you did the
Speaker 3: roundtable for towards VAP members with Dade Keller and Bruce
Speaker 3: Mitchell on Sunday talking about pay per view. We haven't
Speaker 3: heard you talk about raw though, and the big storyline
Speaker 3: twist you alluded to, you know, which would be the
Speaker 3: command is out and Trump h is in. What's your
Speaker 3: take on that storyline development? Is that maybe where you
Speaker 3: expected them to go? Is that a suitable direction? Do
Speaker 3: you need to see more? What's your evaluation right now?
Speaker 4: That's not really what I expected them to go. That's
Speaker 4: definitely after Sunday night. I mean, it's it seems like
Speaker 4: every year around this sum you know, every year summertime,
Speaker 4: vincac Man gets bored and writes himself out of you know,
Speaker 4: and he either gets you know, he has scaffolding fall
Speaker 4: on him, or he gets his lima blown up, or
Speaker 4: you know, something ridiculous like that. So you'll excuse me
Speaker 4: if I you know, you'll excuse me if I don't
Speaker 4: think this is a permanent arrangement. I know that Vinci
Speaker 4: Man is sixty five, and you know there's something to
Speaker 4: the the you know, he's trying to teach Cripolates the
Speaker 4: business so that he can one day take over. And yeah,
Speaker 4: and Vincy Man, from from what we've heard, is not
Speaker 4: as uh, he's not as single minded as he used
Speaker 4: to be. He doesn't have the energy he used to
Speaker 4: and and you know it's because he's sixty five, and
Speaker 4: you know, people just aren't built to go forever. And
Speaker 4: lord knows vincc Man was trying to do.
Speaker 3: That, right right different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then, yeah, Vince's vack. This will be back on
Speaker 4: television eventually. But you know, I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 4: understand this, this might be more significant because of Vince's
Speaker 4: age that I don't think this is really a the
Speaker 4: see change in w W A, And I was disappointed
Speaker 4: that you know that they the focus of the film
Speaker 4: was on this instead of, Hey, what's going on with
Speaker 4: that WW Championship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've had a couple I guess one
Speaker 3: and a half days. The thing about that, and I
Speaker 3: just I didn't like the idea of going right to
Speaker 3: a tournament and them not a now acknowledging the elf
Speaker 3: in the room, which is that this is not the
Speaker 3: legitimate title. I mean, they spent the entire TV time,
Speaker 3: they spent about three two or two or three weeks,
Speaker 3: you know, probably the last week they're really hitting home
Speaker 3: on this. The importance of the title, the important and
Speaker 3: the entire match on Sunday between Punk and Sina was
Speaker 3: about the title. That was of utmost importance. The entire
Speaker 3: match and build up was the title. And then they
Speaker 3: move on and just out well, I guess, well the tournament,
Speaker 3: you know, it just and then it seemed like the
Speaker 3: matches were sort of I mean not that they weren't
Speaker 3: thrown together, but the vibe I got was this isn't
Speaker 3: for the real title. This is sort of a we
Speaker 3: don't we don't know what to do with two hours
Speaker 3: of TV right after the pay per views, so we're
Speaker 3: just kind of come up with something that still the show.
Speaker 3: It was, it was missing the the acknowledgment of what
Speaker 3: the situation was. Uh, but Pat, what was your take
Speaker 3: on the on the title? And I mean right now,
Speaker 3: right now? The advertising for for the tournament, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: the advertising for next week's raw is miss ray the
Speaker 3: finals of this make believe tournament? Does that happen? Do
Speaker 3: they know? Avoided? Because mcmon is that? What's what do
Speaker 3: you think? How do you think it will play out
Speaker 3: next week?
Speaker 4: I would think that after you know, after following through
Speaker 4: with this for for an entire two hour episode of
Speaker 4: rob people would would get a little annoyed if they
Speaker 4: if they just scraped the match.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: My actual expectation of what's gonna happen is we get
Speaker 4: Raised Mysterio versus the Miz, you know, get a nice
Speaker 4: lengthy match Rarey Maisterio wins and then Alberto dol Rio
Speaker 4: comes out cash is an end, cashes the money in
Speaker 4: the bank and and and beat up ray Masterio and
Speaker 4: win the title. That that's my guess is to what
Speaker 4: happens from here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I said happening. You know, I think that's
Speaker 3: a reasonable scenario. I think that I can see that happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, and an asport of this, Pat is does
Speaker 3: see them Pulk? Do you think Pat does CM punk
Speaker 3: kind of stay out of TV off TV for the
Speaker 3: entire rest of the year for a couple of months.
Speaker 3: For I mean, where do they go to SummerSlam and
Speaker 3: have a match that is equal or in their case,
Speaker 3: hopefully better than punk scene in terms of build up anticipation. Well,
Speaker 3: what can they do for Summer Slam if they have
Speaker 3: punk and if they don't have Punk?
Speaker 4: See you know, if if they had Punk, what you
Speaker 4: know what what I would have wanted to do would
Speaker 4: be to do CM Punk versus John seen around two,
Speaker 4: which you know, even though Los Angeles is a decent
Speaker 4: wrestling town, it's not going to have the same flavor
Speaker 4: that it did in Chicago. It would probably be more
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty with Sena fans than Punk fans, and
Speaker 4: and and that would be okay if they you know,
Speaker 4: they if they had set this up, I don't know,
Speaker 4: we're having another another ww title comes into picture, or
Speaker 4: maybe or maybe you do Sina versus Punk versus Alberta
Speaker 4: del Rio, although you know, three lane match is not
Speaker 4: the best way of sorting this out. But uh, I mean,
Speaker 4: the you know, the title is the title because it's
Speaker 4: sanctioned by w w A. So what Punk has know
Speaker 4: in WV storyline is not the title. He just has
Speaker 4: the velpity one, right. I know that doesn't make a
Speaker 4: lot of I don't. I know that doesn't make sense
Speaker 4: to a lot of people. I mean you also have to,
Speaker 4: you know, if if Punk is not going to be
Speaker 4: there then and if Funk is really going to be
Speaker 4: off TV for months, and then what they did Sunday
Speaker 4: was stupid and they shouldn't have done it. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: if that's the case, you do you do del Rio
Speaker 4: versus Sino, or you do del Rio versus scena versus
Speaker 4: the stereo or or something along those lines.
Speaker 3: Right, because you rematch, you know, I mean, like you said,
Speaker 3: it is sort of concluded, because rematch for the the
Speaker 3: general title of ving champion or of the actual belt
Speaker 3: that Plunk has. And you get into that mess and
Speaker 3: you said to get in a the rio, and I mean,
Speaker 3: did they bring Plunk in and do you have Punk,
Speaker 3: Durio and Cina for the right you know, who's a
Speaker 3: real champion and have a three way ladder match or
Speaker 3: something like that.
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Speaker 4: Or the other thing you could do is is and
Speaker 4: I know, you know, people won't be crazy about this
Speaker 4: if you do CNN del Rio and then you have
Speaker 4: a CM Punk go after criple.
Speaker 3: Eh, That's what I was thinking. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 3: one where I'd say that would make the most sense.
Speaker 3: If they're trying to equal or top Sinu Punk and
Speaker 3: Money the bank would be triple h sets of the
Speaker 3: match with with Punk to get the title back. And
Speaker 3: I don't know necessarily it should be a title match
Speaker 3: per se, but to reclaim possession of the ballot in
Speaker 3: which you would give it to the Sina del Rio winner,
Speaker 3: you know, that would that might be a way to
Speaker 3: do it. And then if Punk, you know, we're to
Speaker 3: win an access storyline then and then I don't know
Speaker 3: what you did from there, but I mean it seems
Speaker 3: like just a three way or del Rio involved in
Speaker 3: a title match at this point. It's just not strong
Speaker 3: enough to to go for money to make the Summer
Speaker 3: Slam and have Suffer Slams feel better or you know,
Speaker 3: seem like a bigger event than money to make. And
Speaker 3: I mean would imagine, like you said that, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: make sense to have Punk win that match on Sunday
Speaker 3: unless he is going to be part of Summer Slam
Speaker 3: in some capacity. And yeah, I like to I like
Speaker 3: the I like the combination of Hunter, Punk and Seina
Speaker 3: dol Rio. That's probably the best way to go. But
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's where they're going. What do
Speaker 3: you think?
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know either. Or they could have just
Speaker 4: or they could have Punk just you know, just walk
Speaker 4: in through the crowd while well, you know, right as
Speaker 4: right as they're about to start Mysterio and and Mive
Speaker 4: and just sit down then see hey everybody, you know,
Speaker 4: just I mean skirted that way. There are there are
Speaker 4: a few ways they could go with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that's wrong.
Speaker 6: I think, but I.
Speaker 4: Think that, you know, I mean, what would Vincentpan do
Speaker 4: in real life if he would did something that stupid, Well,
Speaker 4: he's probably have an immediate tournament and try to you know,
Speaker 4: and try to do what they did, which is, you know,
Speaker 4: to get them Punk's name off of television. So there's
Speaker 4: there's you know, there's something to that. But if you
Speaker 4: wanted to, if you wanted to do a tournament and
Speaker 4: you wanted to make money off of it, you would
Speaker 4: just schedule the tournament for summer flame and do the
Speaker 4: whole thing.
Speaker 3: There, right, Yeah, and crowd I think.
Speaker 4: They I think I think they realized that that wasn't
Speaker 4: a good idea when they saw who they'd have to
Speaker 4: put in the tournament though.
Speaker 3: And that's that's a bigger pictures thing that you touched on.
Speaker 3: You just touched on. There is the depth. I mean,
Speaker 3: you look at who they had on that match, and
Speaker 3: you have Jack Swagger, who's done nothing. You've got, you know,
Speaker 3: I was trying to mis about the same level. You know,
Speaker 3: Raymond Sterio, who's sort of up and down, Archereuth, who
Speaker 3: feels like last month's news. It means off Ziggler, you're
Speaker 3: US champion, who isn't like a big deal. I thought,
Speaker 3: think there's an opportunity on Moneys roll a Ziggler to
Speaker 3: make him. You know, Roy stressed that he right now
Speaker 3: is the only top male champion in the raw brand.
Speaker 3: I think they really dropped the ball with Diggler with
Speaker 3: with an opportunity there, and it just it shows a
Speaker 3: lack of depth in the roster. When you when you
Speaker 3: remove John Cena from an eight man w title tournament,
Speaker 3: you know, it shows how little depth there is in
Speaker 3: this roster. So I don't know. Next next week's all
Speaker 3: is going to be interesting. I mean, and Wade and
Speaker 3: Jason talking about this last night's live cast, is do
Speaker 3: they go with wholesale changes the next week's Raw? Do they,
Speaker 3: you know, to make it seem like there's something major
Speaker 3: different with Mann out in Triple ah in Do they
Speaker 3: just go with the same show and have Triple HS
Speaker 3: be the authority figure and everything else feels the same, Pat,
Speaker 3: what do you expect for changes or uh, perhaps a
Speaker 3: different direction for the show or is that just sort of,
Speaker 3: you know, not going to happen. It's gonna be the
Speaker 3: same show, just a different authority figure next week?
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what to expect, because you know,
Speaker 4: they're making this up as they go along. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm you know, originally they had a different finish for
Speaker 4: Sunday for Sundays Pay for You than what they ended
Speaker 4: up with, which means that they what they did on
Speaker 4: Raw was was obviously different than what they originally envisioned.
Speaker 4: And you just keep going so on and so on
Speaker 4: and so on. I mean, if they're if they're committing
Speaker 4: to the Triple H direction, I would think they'd want
Speaker 4: to make they'd want to make changes. I don't think
Speaker 4: that they'll have wholesale changes ready for next week, but
Speaker 4: if they want to phase them in over the next
Speaker 4: few weeks, that would be great. I'd have no problem
Speaker 4: with it. You know, what this company, what what WWE
Speaker 4: sort of needs is is an aggressive I mean not
Speaker 4: not a not a reboot, but something like they did
Speaker 4: when they started the Attitude era. They you know, you
Speaker 4: got to remember after Brett Hart left, and even a
Speaker 4: little bit before Brett Hart left, they picked a few
Speaker 4: guys that they you know, that they wanted to push.
Speaker 4: They they picked the Rock, They they picked Kine, they
Speaker 4: picked they picked the New Age Outlaws and you know,
Speaker 4: and Triple H and Ken Shamrock. And they had those
Speaker 4: guys win and win and win every week that they had.
Speaker 4: They had the New Age Outlaws get the crap out
Speaker 4: of the Road Warriors several times until people got the
Speaker 4: point that they were the best tag team. They had
Speaker 4: the Rock go through everybody. They had Caine beat up
Speaker 4: Nick Foley and then beat up Nick Foley in a
Speaker 4: different costume, and and beat up the Undertaker and set
Speaker 4: his casking on fire until people figured out that Kan
Speaker 4: was supposed to being made of enter. They need to
Speaker 4: pick their three or four or five guys that they
Speaker 4: want to do this with, and they need to push
Speaker 4: them every week, and they have them win every week
Speaker 4: and have them look strong every week until everybody gets
Speaker 4: the point that these are the guys. Yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. It's not well, it's not working. You
Speaker 4: look at the raw ratings, the raw ratings for this week,
Speaker 4: we're three point two, which would which was up, but
Speaker 4: that's still you know that that's still lower than as
Speaker 4: you pointed out, that's lower than they were a year ago,
Speaker 4: you know, for the same episode, and it's lower than
Speaker 4: and it's lower than it was two years ago, and
Speaker 4: it's lower than was three and you go, you go
Speaker 4: all the way back to the past decade and it
Speaker 4: just keep is trapping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what doing is not working? Yep, totally agree
Speaker 3: with Pat. Totally agree. And it's it would be interesting,
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, will these changes be rolled out? You
Speaker 3: know over time we will be wholestal changes. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know, and but I think when you hit
Speaker 3: on Pat is the exact thing, which is that they
Speaker 3: need to make some stars and go all the way
Speaker 3: you know, it's the TNA thing where they go halfway
Speaker 3: for a month and then oh okay, on the next guy,
Speaker 3: and then that person drops off, and then you do
Speaker 3: the exact same pattern, and nobody ever gets established says
Speaker 3: this is our top star or this is a top star.
Speaker 3: It's always it's the same repetitive cycle. And W has
Speaker 3: a benefit of having John Cena and you know acts,
Speaker 3: you know, Raymond Ceio a little bit below that and
Speaker 3: Randy ort On SmackDown, he's not doing great, but he's okay.
Speaker 3: But they had they had the benefit of John Cena,
Speaker 3: who is the premier star associate the brand, and that's
Speaker 3: something TEENA does not have. But yeah, I mean, Patty,
Speaker 3: that's the that's the issue for both companies, especially in W.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and let's shop to phone calls and
Speaker 3: get some viewpoints on the topics were covered, and also
Speaker 3: of course, uh, some other stuff going on in the
Speaker 3: news with TNA. I have another impact on Thursday just
Speaker 3: seems like it's another show. I couldn't even tell you
Speaker 3: the lineup even the name. Now it's about five matches
Speaker 3: of the next week's show. But it just seems like
Speaker 3: TNA is just I don't know, uh, not buzzworthy right now,
Speaker 3: but we'll take calls in TNA W as well, especially
Speaker 3: with all off from Money in the Bank and raw
Speaker 3: and I want to hear some perspectives from callers on that.
Speaker 3: And let's go ahead and jump to our first phone
Speaker 3: call and go to the three to one three area code.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Please say to your name and
Speaker 3: where you're from.
Speaker 6: Hey guys, this is one from the truer.
Speaker 3: Hey, Wayne, what's unding mind tonight?
Speaker 6: Well, I just wanted to talk about about we're on
Speaker 6: the Convinced Movement angle. It to me, it's just reaped
Speaker 6: of lazy booking. And I say that because I mean,
Speaker 6: look at it, like you said, already, in the tournament,
Speaker 6: you had no sena. Not only in the tournament you
Speaker 6: had no sena, but you had Alberto del Rio who
Speaker 6: had just won on him the bank and now he's,
Speaker 6: you know, competing for the world title. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 6: it just seemed to me like this was something they
Speaker 6: came with the night before or maye night of that day,
Speaker 6: because look, Vince McMahon, for the most part of the year,
Speaker 6: actually not until the Punk Angle, he wasn't even a
Speaker 6: presence on Raw or SmackDown. We were led to believe
Speaker 6: that the Raw GM was calling the shots for Raw
Speaker 6: and Teddy Long was calling the shots for SmackDown. So me,
Speaker 6: as a fan, why should I care if Vince McMahon
Speaker 6: isn't going to be on television anymore or not a
Speaker 6: character anymore, because you know, he wasn't even putting his
Speaker 6: presence on the show anyway. So to me, it just
Speaker 6: seems like they he did that to get out of
Speaker 6: having the fire scene. And it was really clare to
Speaker 6: me that, you know, they would rather fire Vince McMahon
Speaker 6: than John Sema, and that left a bad taste in
Speaker 6: my mouth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, ty here, Jake, Oh.
Speaker 4: That doesn't didn't live a bad taste in my mouth,
Speaker 4: because of course they would rather fire Vincent mannon tire
Speaker 4: John Fanna, I mean John John Cenna is their guy,
Speaker 4: the guy who sells the television shirt. Yeah, guy who
Speaker 4: sells the t shirts, the guy who people show up
Speaker 4: at the arena the boo and make fun of or
Speaker 4: or if you're a little kid, to cheer, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: and Vincent. You know, Viscmanthon's not gonna have another match.
Speaker 4: Vincecacman's not gonna headline SummerSlam, so of course, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that maybe they recognize that with
Speaker 4: a mistake to say they we're going to fire Astina
Speaker 4: the moment they did it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that situation that they added in there,
Speaker 3: I think that was short sighted and maybe they thought
Speaker 3: they had you know, it was the second the double
Speaker 3: of a double taping, and if if they had that
Speaker 3: live element for that second episode, I think they would
Speaker 3: have sat back, seen how much juice there was behind
Speaker 3: the punk seeing a program and they're not had it
Speaker 3: not thought they need to go there. But because it
Speaker 3: was done that the day of that first taping, maybe
Speaker 3: in their mind and so what we've got to add
Speaker 3: some more juice to this, and and they kind of
Speaker 3: overkilled a little bit and then they had to back
Speaker 3: out of it and try to find a way out.
Speaker 3: To me, I mean, it's standard McMahon. I mean Patty
Speaker 3: you mentioned at the beginning, you know, he either gets
Speaker 3: bored or he gets concerned with business or that there's
Speaker 3: always a post WrestleMania lull, and inevitably, almost every single
Speaker 3: year McMahon reinterjects himself into TV. You know, you all
Speaker 3: went through the last five or six, seven, eight, years,
Speaker 3: and there's always a case of McMahon becoming part of
Speaker 3: TV again after WrestleMania, and we thought perhaps that would
Speaker 3: have happened this year, but you go in the ratings,
Speaker 3: the ratings have dropped off stronger this year than in
Speaker 3: past years. You know. It's kind of we talk about
Speaker 3: path the idea eroding water level. It's also I think
Speaker 3: not having the Rock, you have the bigger return for
Speaker 3: the Rock, and he's not there anymore, and he's coming back,
Speaker 3: you know, and now six or seven months from now,
Speaker 3: and so there's a there's a sense of nothing that
Speaker 3: happens now that is as important and you're bringing you know,
Speaker 3: mc man in his mind, so is I gotta come
Speaker 3: back and make it seem important again? And so I
Speaker 3: think that's where we are. And I think that Pat,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that the May will become
Speaker 3: a regular weekly character, but I really see him becoming
Speaker 3: sort of that Chris Jericho character who gets fired and
Speaker 3: then tries to find his way back on the show.
Speaker 3: You know, he's he's outside the building and security tells
Speaker 3: him he can't come back in. He you know, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I mean, I don't know how far they
Speaker 3: would extend this or how much they want to make
Speaker 3: it part of the show. But I really see that
Speaker 3: being a part of the show either semi regularly, maybe
Speaker 3: not every week, but I think there will be an
Speaker 3: element of him trying to get back into WW.
Speaker 4: What do you think that, Oh God, I hope that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think they should put that off for for a while,
Speaker 4: at least till after SummerSlam. And maybe it's nickmahon wants
Speaker 4: to get you know, if they want to, if they
Speaker 4: want to follow up and that's whore line, then they can.
Speaker 4: But you know, I don't think that they saw this
Speaker 4: as we're firing Vincick maam. I think they saw this
Speaker 4: as well, we're bringing Triple back on the television yea,
Speaker 4: because you know, whenever they want to bring back Vinctic maam,
Speaker 4: they'll bring back minstic Man and they won't worry about
Speaker 4: any of the logic involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like being blown up, having the stuff crash on him,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He's he's died a
Speaker 3: thousand deaths and he's still here as a character.
Speaker 6: Stuff.
Speaker 3: Wait fall from you another question in Connor.
Speaker 6: Yes, actually I did have a follow up and and
Speaker 6: I'm not sended they had any intention on doing this
Speaker 6: or if they even felt that way, but a lot
Speaker 6: of people have been liking seeing Punk to Steve Austin,
Speaker 6: you know, when he when he finally broke through after
Speaker 6: King the Ring. You know, I think they missed the
Speaker 6: they're they're missing the golden opportunity to have see him
Speaker 6: Punk come back whenever he was going to come back,
Speaker 6: and this man could have been the person that he
Speaker 6: was rivaling, you know, uh whoever won this tournament or
Speaker 6: be it del Rio won the title, or however it goes.
Speaker 6: You know, you could have had a program where it
Speaker 6: was you know, Vince McMahon's champion against seeing Punk and
Speaker 6: seeing Punk you know, reading havoc on on McMahon or whatever.
Speaker 6: So that's again, that's why to me, it just feels like,
Speaker 6: you know, this angle came out of nowhere because they
Speaker 6: begged themselves into a corner and they didn't logically take
Speaker 6: about you know, pros versus the times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree with you on that way,
Speaker 3: in the respect that I thought they might go to
Speaker 3: the direction of McMahon having his.
Speaker 6: Champion and then and then.
Speaker 3: Punk being you know, the the rightful title holder and
Speaker 3: then you set up something there. Pat, are you surprised
Speaker 3: they went away from that? I mean, obviously they could
Speaker 3: do some twist and bring it back to that, or
Speaker 3: have Triple HP you don't have. Let's say let's say that,
Speaker 3: like I said, Pat, let's say that either misser Ray
Speaker 3: wins and del Rio Cash is in and Triple H
Speaker 3: declayers and that's his champion. You could do that Triple
Speaker 3: H has had this champion, and then Punk's a rightful champion.
Speaker 3: You do something there? Is that a possibility or or Pat?
Speaker 3: Do you think the better option would have been keeping
Speaker 3: Man there have his own champion and then had that
Speaker 3: champion a few with Punk when he whenever he comes back.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm I'm fine with having Triple A to do it,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I mean it's the same that
Speaker 4: they don't have a long term plan, and you know, frankly,
Speaker 4: I can't see them putting all those threads back together
Speaker 4: by the time Summer Flame rolls around, So you know,
Speaker 4: so they should have a long they should have a
Speaker 4: longer term plan than that. This should go past Summer Flame.
Speaker 3: You would hope. So, I mean, they've got to bridge
Speaker 3: that gap. To WrestleMania. I mean, Rock's gonna be a
Speaker 3: survivor series. You got to bridge the gap from Summer
Speaker 3: stem the Survivors series and get that back on seeing
Speaker 3: Under the Rock. How do they do that? I don't know,
Speaker 3: And like I said, that's why it's frustrating kind of
Speaker 3: trying to analyze where this is going, because you have
Speaker 3: I mean, we had no idea because the man could
Speaker 3: change his mind, and you know they could. I mean,
Speaker 3: you could have something that happened next week on Raw
Speaker 3: where a man comes on the show says he spoke
Speaker 3: to the boy directors, he was reinstated, Triple Wig is out,
Speaker 3: and then we're back to where we just work, you know,
Speaker 3: and they wasted entire week. I mean that logically it
Speaker 3: wouldn't be logical, but that it happened. It's just it's
Speaker 3: like I said, it's sort of it's so weak to
Speaker 3: week and you give a sense that they don't quite
Speaker 3: have a full direction where they're going, and there is
Speaker 3: a clear Summers plan main event right now, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of different possibilities and unless Punk is involved, I
Speaker 3: don't know that they have a strong enough match with
Speaker 3: the current players to match or exceed money in the bank,
Speaker 3: and that's you know, when they're banking on summer sending
Speaker 3: to the number two most boy pay per view of
Speaker 3: the year, that's a bit of a concern. So I
Speaker 3: don't know. We'll see how that plays out next week.
Speaker 3: I'm wrong, but there's a lot of different ways they
Speaker 3: can go. Wayne takes you to the call. Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Let's go to our next caller from the four four
Speaker 3: to three area code. Welcome to the show. I please
Speaker 3: say your name and where you're from.
Speaker 8: Kevin from Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Hey, Kevin will tell you about today.
Speaker 9: Hey.
Speaker 8: Two questions one person. One is I read on I
Speaker 8: think it was something at ww dot com was on
Speaker 8: the website they would Edge and they interviewed them and
Speaker 8: they asked them what they thought of Christian's He'll Turn
Speaker 8: and he said he was behind him one hundred percent
Speaker 8: and he supported him. And my question is you guys,
Speaker 8: what do you think? Do you see that there's a
Speaker 8: chance that Kristin and Edge could come back as a group,
Speaker 8: not wrestling, but Edge could be somewhat of like a
Speaker 8: manager like a Rictua was a triple a ish where
Speaker 8: he was some type of like in his corner at
Speaker 8: all times and they work together that way. If they
Speaker 8: wanted to incorporate Edge and it's kind of elevate Christen
Speaker 8: as a tandem where they would be a little bit
Speaker 8: more entertaining and they could have more of confidence from
Speaker 8: Christian's act with Edge associated with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good question, they could do that.
Speaker 4: I just think it's a bad idea. And the reason
Speaker 4: I think it's a bad idea is because Edge is
Speaker 4: hurt to the point where taking another bump could you know,
Speaker 4: could cause serious damage to them. And I mean you've
Speaker 4: seen them before, you know, if he's been around long enough.
Speaker 4: You just can't have a manager who doesn't bump and
Speaker 4: who can't take a bump because you know, you can't
Speaker 4: get any I mean, you can't have the baby faces
Speaker 4: hit him. I mean he just inter I mean he'll
Speaker 4: just be interfering without consequence. You can't have a babyface
Speaker 4: manager who doesn't bump because you can't get any any
Speaker 4: heat on him either. It'll just be too risky for
Speaker 4: Edge to be out there on the roundtable. We talked about,
Speaker 4: you know the possibility of maybe Edge gets to be
Speaker 4: the special referee when they do Randy Orton and Chrishan
Speaker 4: again and I maybe he could pull that off. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't see Edge coming back as a manager or
Speaker 4: or coming back full time in any real capacity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see you. Only I can see that,
Speaker 3: Pat is if it's a one time thing. And you know,
Speaker 3: either I think Edge will be involved in SummerSlam and
Speaker 3: either as Spectal re free or it could it could
Speaker 3: be a one time management deal and then you know,
Speaker 3: you could have Edge, you know, claiming to be as
Speaker 3: Christian's manager. Then it's turns and helps support and win
Speaker 3: and they get they get set some sort of angle
Speaker 3: where that makes sense on TV these next three or
Speaker 3: four weeks. But yeah, I don't see him full time managing.
Speaker 3: Even the travel uh they mentioned that in the dot
Speaker 3: com interview. Even when he travels, you know, he's doing
Speaker 3: some movie roles and uh, doing some appearances and that
Speaker 3: sort of thing. It hurts, you know, the pain's still
Speaker 3: there from what what caused him retires. So I don't
Speaker 3: see him. I don't just logistically, I don't see him
Speaker 3: in full time managing. And for the reasons you said
Speaker 3: that wouldn't worked out either. But I definitely see something
Speaker 3: of the Summer Slam, maybe one time management thing or
Speaker 3: special referee. I think that makes more sense. But I mean, pat,
Speaker 3: does everyone want to do orton Christian part four or
Speaker 3: it gets five? I become the TV match. I mean,
Speaker 3: is there is there enough on this where that that's
Speaker 3: a good direction for smacking the gover? Is that pretty
Speaker 3: much their only way? So, I mean they had to
Speaker 3: blow this thing off, and I guess if you're going
Speaker 3: to Summer Sam would make sense. I mean that is
Speaker 3: that enough of an intriguing match too? I mean SmackDown.
Speaker 3: I mean you'll get smack Down. It doesn't always sell
Speaker 3: pay per views, but it kind of helps become part
Speaker 3: of the package of the pay per view. It's not
Speaker 3: as strong enough match path you think to be SmackDown's
Speaker 3: premier match for the four straight pay per view.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I I from what I've heard, that's
Speaker 4: the direction they're going as of right now. You know,
Speaker 4: it's I mean it's criacky because they don't have they
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of big names on SmackDown, and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean you don't want to start something
Speaker 4: at Summer you know, you don't want to launch a
Speaker 4: new field at SummerSlam because you know, because They're not
Speaker 4: going to just do a one month sield on anything
Speaker 4: on SmackDown. They're gonna drag SmackDown out as long as possible.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they're gonna need some sort of a hook
Speaker 4: or something would would be a big enough hook, and
Speaker 4: maybe yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think you're right about day. Yeah. It obviously depends on
Speaker 3: how they reincorporate in. If it's just sort of a hey,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be there, then I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: trying to look but if it's really presented as making
Speaker 3: this match special to nothing, that can help. So I
Speaker 3: guess we'll see all that if if it has expected
Speaker 3: use incorporated how that plays out.
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Speaker 3: Kevin and Jeff fall from the question of coming.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had another question. This one is more about
Speaker 8: some of the wrestlers that have been stepping away recently.
Speaker 8: I know you got like like over the last couple
Speaker 8: of years, Batista, Jeff Pardi and r D. They all
Speaker 8: complained about they didn't want to work full time, booker,
Speaker 8: t and things like that. So the question is is
Speaker 8: Goldberg came in a couple of years ago, he got
Speaker 8: like the deal that everybody wants where he going to
Speaker 8: work at certain amount of dates, didn't you house shows?
Speaker 8: How did he get that deal? And people who kind
Speaker 8: of accomplished more in the business and wrestled longer and
Speaker 8: play deputies can't get that deal. Is it just the marketability?
Speaker 8: I mean he sold tickets or things like that. What
Speaker 8: goes into the yeah.
Speaker 3: I believe refer back to the early nineties, Pat say,
Speaker 3: early two thousands. I Pat, you want to take that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're on like two thousand and three here.
Speaker 4: I think part of it was, you know, they they
Speaker 4: thought they thought Goldberg was the last big name that
Speaker 4: they hadn't done and they could, I could make some
Speaker 4: serious money off of Goldberg. And part of it was,
Speaker 4: you know, you might remember that The Rock was a
Speaker 4: friend of Goldberg's and if Goldberg came in, the Rock
Speaker 4: was going to do a pay per view match with him,
Speaker 4: which is which is which they did do. And you know,
Speaker 4: they they wanted to they wanted to do that because
Speaker 4: they thought they they'd get a lot of money off
Speaker 4: of that. But yeah, they you know, after a couple
Speaker 4: of months, they just they just they just pretty much
Speaker 4: hated the idea of, you know, of having Goldberg around.
Speaker 4: And and it was it was obviously, you know, it
Speaker 4: was obviously weren't going to make him their their number
Speaker 4: one star. They've put the title on him that you know,
Speaker 4: he wasn't he wasn't their.
Speaker 3: Long term answer, right, And I mean kind of there's
Speaker 3: always that sort of that feeling that you know, w sabotage.
Speaker 3: There's also Goldberg was a motivated. How do you weigh
Speaker 3: out those two things in the end result, which was
Speaker 3: Goldberg was you know, gone with little fan with a
Speaker 3: little fan for a restumating you know, twenty in two
Speaker 3: thousand and four.
Speaker 4: Yes he was sabotage and no he wasn't motivated and
Speaker 4: you know he was, I mean he was never really
Speaker 4: I mean you never really had to be motivated. He
Speaker 4: came into WSW and pretty much right off the bat,
Speaker 4: they they made a big star out of him. So
Speaker 4: he didn't he didn't understand why he would have to
Speaker 4: work hard or anything and why why should he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everything had been in it to him during his career. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think you expected no less in in WWE. Kevin
Speaker 3: appreciate the phone call. You're listening to the p Tow
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Speaker 3: call from the four seven an eight area code. Welcome
Speaker 3: to the show. Please say tr name and where you're.
Speaker 10: From, christin Georgia.
Speaker 3: He trests, what's on your mind?
Speaker 10: Well, actually it's the uh Daniel Briant question, being that
Speaker 10: what we know from the tapings from last night, do
Speaker 10: you think that his like run actually can be a
Speaker 10: a version of what chrispin Wall got. I mean, you
Speaker 10: know the showing training getting ready. You know, they can
Speaker 10: tell us such a great story with this guy. I mean,
Speaker 10: you know, his charisma is really in the ring, although
Speaker 10: he does have like some mic skills, so you know,
Speaker 10: we can actually amp him up to a certain level
Speaker 10: and build. They got nine months to do what they
Speaker 10: need to do, give or take. But do you think
Speaker 10: they could actually tell that great story with him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And for the listeners who aren't aware what happened
Speaker 3: in Smack ten taping District, trist are referring to the angle.
Speaker 3: That's when he set up with Daniel Brian and his
Speaker 3: money to thank victory.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 3: The pay per view on Sunday. Uh, Pat, I mean
Speaker 3: to me, I'm always concerned about Brian win in this match,
Speaker 3: that they're gonna do something like somebody takes the briefcase
Speaker 3: from him, or uh, someone challenges him to a match
Speaker 3: and that's how they get out of it. But I
Speaker 3: mean that they've shut the groundwork to make Brian a
Speaker 3: feature act for you know, the next six to seven months.
Speaker 3: If you want to pan out, well, we'll stay behind him.
Speaker 3: Well they kind of falter and then oh that's right.
Speaker 3: A month, you know, a month before WrestleMania they decide
Speaker 3: to kind of pick it up again. I mean, how
Speaker 3: do you shoot this plane out for the next you know,
Speaker 3: six seven months?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean they could do it. It's not that
Speaker 4: they don't have don't have the skill to do it.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, maybe maybe what needs to happen
Speaker 4: if somebody needs to go up to Vince McMann and
Speaker 4: says this, Vinc you're never gonna get that Daniel Brian
Speaker 4: guy over as a big star, at which point he'll
Speaker 4: get pissed off enough that he that he tries to
Speaker 4: do it. You know, I mean you would would uh
Speaker 4: would eight months of Daniel Brian getting ready for a
Speaker 4: big title shot at WrestleMania with that, you know, withou
Speaker 4: and then treating Daniel Brian like a star. Would that
Speaker 4: I mean, would that work? Yes, it would. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure they're going to follow off on anything. They They
Speaker 4: seem to have problems remembering what they're doing from from
Speaker 4: week to week, and that that would concern me if
Speaker 4: I was Daniel Brian. Another another possibility is, you know,
Speaker 4: Daniel Brian's got a yeah, I mean an injury. You know,
Speaker 4: you saw what happened to mister Kennedy or Ken Anderson.
Speaker 4: You get injured at the wrong time. You know you
Speaker 4: you've just lost your You just lost the potential WrestleMania
Speaker 4: main events. I don't trust w W to let something
Speaker 4: like this go for freight than nine months, but I
Speaker 4: hope they do. I think Daniel Brian's talented enough and
Speaker 4: he's he's enough of the talker that that that this could.
Speaker 3: Work that I want to get a bold prediction from you.
Speaker 3: It will be the back down War Heavyweight Champion WrestleMania
Speaker 3: who Brian would would be facing, assuming it all it
Speaker 3: all holds a form, and that you know Brian is
Speaker 3: a challenger, who who give me a both prediction who's
Speaker 3: the championing challenges for.
Speaker 4: Randy Orton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not so bold, because that's that's who I
Speaker 3: thought too. I imagine, I imagine.
Speaker 4: And maybe and maybe, just maybe Randy Orton will be
Speaker 4: a heel by them.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think that's I think that's a I mean,
Speaker 3: based on what they did on Sunday, it was a
Speaker 3: little bit of you know, in the postmatch for Christian,
Speaker 3: it was a little I mean, I thought they might
Speaker 3: be going for double turn, even though Christian obviously heeled
Speaker 3: to win that match, but the crowd was more amped
Speaker 3: for Orton in the post match they were during the match.
Speaker 3: It was a little bit of a different crowd. But
Speaker 3: I felt like it was the painting scenes for a
Speaker 3: potential heel turn and having to order be more of
Speaker 3: a right rather than being more of an edgy baby face.
Speaker 3: I thought it was leaning more toward we're gonna turn
Speaker 3: him heel again. What do you what do you think that?
Speaker 4: Well, Well, the problem with that is, I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: Randy Orton is somewhat edgy, you know, somewhat edgy baby
Speaker 4: face and that and that's that's one thing. But what
Speaker 4: really gets Randy Orton Over is the babyface is when
Speaker 4: he acts like a psychopath, you know, like like Dexter
Speaker 4: or a character in a in a in a character
Speaker 4: in American Psycho or something like that. So that's that's
Speaker 4: that's the thing is they want to you know, I mean,
Speaker 4: if they want to get him over as a baby face,
Speaker 4: they have to. They have to have him you know,
Speaker 4: being you know, being uh, you know, being crazy, being
Speaker 4: you know, beating up, beating up people, you know, losing
Speaker 4: his comfort all the time. That's that's the sort of
Speaker 4: thing that's gonna that's the sort of thing that that
Speaker 4: wrestlings him kind of want to see. Yeah, remember how
Speaker 4: Over he was a couple of years ago and all
Speaker 4: he was doing was beating up McMahon's and he was
Speaker 4: supposed to be the big heel and he was, briefly
Speaker 4: before they screwed it up, the most popular guy.
Speaker 3: In the company, right because he was able to do
Speaker 3: stuff that other characters couldn't do, you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: taking her you know, join some of Stephanie just handcuffed
Speaker 3: the ring rope. I mean, you know, not every character
Speaker 3: can do that, and so it made him stand out,
Speaker 3: like you said, Yeah, I mean I thought they're trying
Speaker 3: to do what they were trying to go for last year,
Speaker 3: which was that or Yeah, last year on Raw has
Speaker 3: seen it be the the classic baby face that appeals
Speaker 3: to the broader demographic and then have Orton be the
Speaker 3: cool baby face who appeals to the male demographicy you know,
Speaker 3: the male eighteen forty nine eighteen thirty four demographic, and
Speaker 3: have those two different fan bases with a strong, likable
Speaker 3: baby face to kind of get behind. And then they
Speaker 3: kind of lost their way with Orton and the next
Speaker 3: thing fell apart and it all just kind of crashed down.
Speaker 3: But I thought they might be trying to go that
Speaker 3: direction with Orton on SmackDown now to reinvigorate that brand
Speaker 3: because it needs a little bit of life into it.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if that will, but but I mean,
Speaker 4: and the problem with that is, you know, your your
Speaker 4: babyfaces can only be you know, can can only be strong.
Speaker 4: Them look good if they have strong people to fight.
Speaker 3: True, very true.
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Speaker 3: And that's that's probably the biggest problem on SmackDown is
Speaker 3: the lack of depth. I mean it's a big problem
Speaker 3: Raw too, but Roy has John Cena, SmackDown has Rainy
Speaker 3: Ordon everybody else seemingly, you know, they're trying to Mark Henry.
Speaker 3: They're trying to get Mark Henry going, as you know
Speaker 3: for the eight hundreds time. I don't know that Mark
Speaker 3: u Nivers, Rainey Orton is any match or a few
Speaker 3: did anybody wants to see. But if they really keep
Speaker 3: going with this March Henry programming could be at least
Speaker 3: something for Orton to do after summer. Say I'm a
Speaker 3: Christian to maybe lead it into the fall and have
Speaker 3: something more intriguing on SmackDown. But maybe Cody Rhodes or
Speaker 3: they rebuilt Wade Barrett or heck even Jenner Mahaal they
Speaker 3: did something with him. Who knows. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: there's issues there and they have to sort those things out. Chris,
Speaker 3: appreciate your phone call. Calling a pet. Do you have
Speaker 3: a fun fun?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's just like you know
Speaker 4: when when they do the Batman movies. You know they
Speaker 4: had Batman going against the Joker and not say egghead,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean, I mean, you're the stronger, the
Speaker 4: stronger the heel, the better you can be at the videotape, right.
Speaker 3: That's that's right on. Yeah, Chris, thanks for the call.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the seven o eight area code. Welcome
Speaker 3: to show. We patred any where you're from?
Speaker 12: Boris from Chicago?
Speaker 3: Hey, Boris? What's talking about that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I think he hit it pretty much on head Randy
Speaker 12: Orton and I forgot about the McMahon and versus Orton situation,
Speaker 12: which that's what created him. And I think that's why
Speaker 12: it's so hard for him to get over right now,
Speaker 12: is because he faced off against the top vic man,
Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying, and it and it actually
Speaker 12: made his character and when they wore him down as
Speaker 12: a babyface and not what he is, nobody, nobody believes
Speaker 12: in and that the night man in the bank, it
Speaker 12: pretty much showed who he was, you know, the person
Speaker 12: that everybody liked. But my question is, now we gotta
Speaker 12: why am I gonna buy some SummerSlam?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You see what I'm saying. Ye, Why am I
Speaker 3: gonna buy Somerslam?
Speaker 12: You got you you know, built this thing up with him?
Speaker 3: Funk.
Speaker 12: Okay, we do that now we got now we got
Speaker 12: the big money. How do you get me to buy
Speaker 12: a SummerSlam? And with the other thing?
Speaker 3: Okay, big push ya reel.
Speaker 12: Rally, miss Archie.
Speaker 6: How do we do it?
Speaker 8: And keep it going?
Speaker 12: With the Mahal guy v DVR, Cody, Dave Bryant, Andy.
Speaker 3: Big push and keep going?
Speaker 4: How do we do it?
Speaker 6: Tell them my questions?
Speaker 3: Thank you that you want to take that first.
Speaker 4: We we sort of talked about that earlier. You need
Speaker 4: to you know, you can't pick twelve guys. You need
Speaker 4: to pick you know, your your three or four or
Speaker 4: five guys. And and I mean just just keep pushing him,
Speaker 4: keep having him win, keep having him look strong, and
Speaker 4: and have them and they have you know, you can't
Speaker 4: do even Stephen. They've got to keep rolling through people
Speaker 4: every week on their way to wherever they're going, and
Speaker 4: and and you know, I'd say they're doing a pretty
Speaker 4: good job with gender Mahal and that they're I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, they're not trotting them out every week, but
Speaker 4: when they do, you know, he's he's beating somebody and
Speaker 4: he's looking strong doing it, and he doesn't you know,
Speaker 4: doesn't really need doesn't really need to cheat. So you
Speaker 4: know that they're you know, you know that eventually they're
Speaker 4: gonna get him. When they get him up against the
Speaker 4: Randy Orton or or the Undertaker or or Ezekiel Jackson,
Speaker 4: you know that. I mean, he's he I mean, it's
Speaker 4: gonna look like a strong contender.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's what I don't get about when someone
Speaker 3: becomes a champion, especially on SmackDown. I think WAYE. Barritt
Speaker 3: lost pretty much every match he had when he was
Speaker 3: Interconnal champion on TV. I think he retained the Interconno title.
Speaker 3: I think twice by DQ or count out. I don't
Speaker 3: mean you want a single match on TV when he
Speaker 3: was champion, Ezekiel Jackson, that put a belt on him.
Speaker 3: He lost his first two TV matches. I mean it's like,
Speaker 3: you build somebody up, you make him a strong challenge.
Speaker 3: I mean, Ezekiel had won I think ten matches in
Speaker 3: a row on TV. I think you put the belt
Speaker 3: on and he had n't lose twice. You know, it's
Speaker 3: just it's dumb. I just I don't I mean, I
Speaker 3: know they want to make him look like a vulnerable champion,
Speaker 3: I guess, but I mean it makes a belt don't
Speaker 3: seem not credible. You know, if a guy just wins,
Speaker 3: he wins the belt and he loses for two matches.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're non title, but they weren't for the title.
Speaker 3: But I just, you know, I just don't get that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it said whole build them up and then
Speaker 3: even him out, and build them up and even him out,
Speaker 3: and nobody gets over and I just see that dumb
Speaker 3: And that's that's that's like smacked down in the Nut
Speaker 3: Show for the last five or six years, and that's
Speaker 3: that similar tight booking pat I mean, what what what
Speaker 3: Summer Slam? I mean, in certain respects that Money's banks
Speaker 3: felt like WrestleMania, and certain respects, it didn't feel like
Speaker 3: WrestleMania in the sense that I don't know if they
Speaker 3: got the broad WrestleMania casual viewer audience to buy that
Speaker 3: pay per view. And obviously we'll see when the by
Speaker 3: ery comes in. I think they got pretty much anyone
Speaker 3: who is interested in seeing punk from that mel demographic
Speaker 3: to I don't say anyone, but you know, most people
Speaker 3: were interested in that program probably bought that pay per view.
Speaker 3: And we've got we've got a lot of response in
Speaker 3: our feedback. We all a response it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I haven't ordered a non WrestleMania pay per view in
Speaker 3: five years. I got a lot of that feed We
Speaker 3: got a lot of that feedback on the Torch. So
Speaker 3: I think they drew in that that audience that would
Speaker 3: read the Torch, that was, you know, calling the live cast.
Speaker 3: The by rate I think will be in will probably
Speaker 3: indicate whether they got that casual viewer. But now it's
Speaker 3: like you go to Summer Slam.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about this already, but that is a big
Speaker 3: question that Morris, you know, mention is how do you
Speaker 3: get somebody who ordered money in the bank to order SummerSlam,
Speaker 3: or how do you get someone who maybe wasn't that
Speaker 3: interested in the program on raw, maybe a casual viewer
Speaker 3: who maybe found a little bit disenfranchised, and that's debatable,
Speaker 3: But how do you get someone who maybe wasn't all
Speaker 3: the way intrigued by that to order Summer Slam? And
Speaker 3: I don't know that they have that answer right now
Speaker 3: unless it is dam Punk, and I think the only
Speaker 3: match they can do with Punk is Triple H John
Speaker 3: Cena Part two. I don't know that I will get
Speaker 3: anybody to buy SummerSlam McGain. I'm sorry to buy summers
Speaker 3: and have some money the bank. So I think Boris
Speaker 3: said the big question for the next three or three
Speaker 3: weeks the TV is how do you get somebody into
Speaker 3: buy Summer Slam? And I don't know they have any
Speaker 3: answer right now.
Speaker 4: Well, you're asking two different questions. One is you know,
Speaker 4: how do you get people to order Summer Slam? And
Speaker 4: I think WWE's real answer would be, well, we've got
Speaker 4: three more weeks to do that, which which is you know.
Speaker 4: I don't like that answer, and obviously you don't. That's
Speaker 4: that's sort of the way they think they're they're not.
Speaker 4: You know, they weren't focusing on on that this week.
Speaker 4: They were just they were just trying to to start something.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure about what they started. But the second
Speaker 4: question is the buy rate for money in the bank.
Speaker 4: And here's the way the way I figure it. I
Speaker 4: figure among the you know, among the let's call them
Speaker 4: more serious SAMs, the people who are listening to the
Speaker 4: live cast, people subscribe to the torch, you know, that
Speaker 4: sort of thing. Yeah, I think among those people, you know,
Speaker 4: the buy rate's going to be up because we've just
Speaker 4: heard anecdotally from people who you know, were finally interested
Speaker 4: enough to buy a pay for you after after you
Speaker 4: know a few years of just ignoring the w W
Speaker 4: secondary taper views, you know, and then you go into
Speaker 4: the casual fans. Did this you know, did this build
Speaker 4: up appeal to the casual fans? Well? Maybe not. But
Speaker 4: the whole reason the paper you buy rates for down
Speaker 4: is because the casual fans haven't been ordering pay per
Speaker 4: views for a long time. Sure, so you're not really
Speaker 4: losing anything in my opinion on that, in terms of
Speaker 4: by rate. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a good point. Yeah, that's a very
Speaker 3: good point. Pat as I think I think that maybe
Speaker 3: it might be tried a good strategy, which is get
Speaker 3: the the the more like I said, the more serious
Speaker 3: viewer fan to order an off brand pay per view
Speaker 3: and then turn around the next month the SummerSlam, you know,
Speaker 3: traditionally bought by the casual audience, not as much as
Speaker 3: in recent years that's dropped off along with the eroding
Speaker 3: raw ratings, and try to appeal to them with something
Speaker 3: that would also draw in that same audience that bought
Speaker 3: money in the bank, that that would be more apt
Speaker 3: to buy two straight paid for views even though they
Speaker 3: are forty five dollars, and trying to get that casual
Speaker 3: viewer so interested in the Summer Slam that they try
Speaker 3: to sweep in both audiences, and like I said, Pat,
Speaker 3: kind of raps get a two for one with that
Speaker 3: more serious viewer buying money in the bank, and then
Speaker 3: you get the more casual viewer plus that audience to
Speaker 3: buy a SummerSlam, and that might be where they go
Speaker 3: from the from here, where they execute it, That's says
Speaker 3: the thing, and that's what it will make the next
Speaker 3: couple of weeks pretty fun, is seeing how they execute
Speaker 3: coming out of money in the bank going the Summer Slam.
Speaker 4: You know, I in their opinion, there's probably you know,
Speaker 4: some casual fans who are going, you know, who are hearing, Oh,
Speaker 4: Triple H came back and I missed the show. I
Speaker 4: want to watch the next week and see what you've
Speaker 4: went do and that maybe you know and maybe go
Speaker 4: that way. Yeah, because I think.
Speaker 3: That there there nindset is that Trip H draws in
Speaker 3: casual viewers. And because you know how long has been
Speaker 3: on TV, he's part of the X. He's got that,
Speaker 3: so that Sean Michael's rub that kind of is part
Speaker 3: of him. So yeah, I think you said, I think
Speaker 3: trimple as you're turning oh, you know, kind of the
Speaker 3: casual viewer's ears per cup, and that must mean it's
Speaker 3: a really big deal that he's back. Plus he's coming
Speaker 3: off you know, the program if you're with the Undertaker
Speaker 3: at WrestleMania, and that's still part of trip Wah as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you're right about that.
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Speaker 3: our next phone call nine seven three area code. Welcome
Speaker 3: the show, and please state your name of where you're
Speaker 3: calling from nine three.
Speaker 9: You're on there down from New York.
Speaker 3: Hey, John, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Two quick questions? First question, Uh, now that they've put
Speaker 9: CM punk, they've elevated them to this god like status.
Speaker 9: I definitely think they're gonna They're just not gonna.
Speaker 6: Let that go.
Speaker 3: Can you see a first question?
Speaker 9: Can you see a potential scenario where true Full H
Speaker 9: steps up to see them Punk being there's already some
Speaker 9: heat in that relationship. They traditionally don't like each other.
Speaker 9: And the last promo actually Triple H cut when he
Speaker 9: was with CM punk in in a ring or near
Speaker 9: a ring. He said, you know, Punk, I agree with
Speaker 9: you about to not draking and not doing drug. That's
Speaker 9: a good message, anybody said to him, But do you
Speaker 9: have to look like you haven't seen a shower in
Speaker 9: six months? So do you sl scenario where where Triple
Speaker 9: H steps up to see them Punk and says you
Speaker 9: want to pick on somebody, pick on me? And they
Speaker 9: possibly set up a scenario for WrestleMania match between the
Speaker 9: two or even sooner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was thinking for SummerSlam. Pat, do
Speaker 3: you think they can stretch it out to WrestleMania as
Speaker 3: a potential attraction match.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know that they want to stretch it
Speaker 4: out to Wrestlemaniam because last I checked, the plan was
Speaker 4: to do another Triple H versus Undertaker match at WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Of course that's going to depend on how Undertaker is
Speaker 4: feeling and probably some other factors. Yeah, I would I
Speaker 4: would accept the poor Wrefflemania, assuming that Criple Hs, you know,
Speaker 4: wants to ruffle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I see it's either at Summer Slam or except
Speaker 3: that it is kind of depending on whether you want
Speaker 3: whether Triple H twins the wrestle I can see SummerSlam.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of post quotas.
Speaker 6: It could be.
Speaker 3: It could be Survivor Series in New York to kind
Speaker 3: of enhance that along with the Rock, you know, coming
Speaker 3: back to confront Sena. It could be the Real Rumble.
Speaker 3: It's sort of a nice bonus match to go with
Speaker 3: the Rumble. I think it never when they're going to
Speaker 3: get to that match. I think that match will happen
Speaker 3: where in which pay per view? You know that that's
Speaker 3: that's a that's up for debate. We might we might
Speaker 3: find out on Monday's Raw because I think if they're
Speaker 3: going to do that Summer Slam, obviously they need to
Speaker 3: get right to that because they don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of time. So that's a possibility. If it is, Summers
Speaker 3: will probably find out this Monday. Uh Yeah, trying to
Speaker 3: your second question.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and moving look going forward, looking out to WrestleMania.
Speaker 9: I mean it's already on fire, but to poor little
Speaker 9: Gasoline on it. What is ww's plans for stone Cold
Speaker 9: going forward? Is he going to be continued with the
Speaker 9: tough enough? Do you see a scenario where Stone Cold
Speaker 9: gets a match at WrestleMania? And what is thinking the
Speaker 9: significance of Punk wearing that stone Cold shirt the other night?
Speaker 9: Do you see a scenario of a Punk stone Cold
Speaker 9: match at WrestleMania? One guy being the anti drinking guys,
Speaker 9: you know, Punk and then Stone Cold, you know, mister
Speaker 9: beer himself. The clash of culture so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's that Greg Barks that talked about
Speaker 3: in the special Life catch after the pay per view
Speaker 3: is if Austin were to have one final match and
Speaker 3: if Funck is still as hot as he is, it's
Speaker 3: a possibility. But I mean that do you think it
Speaker 3: would happen. Is it still everything that with Austin is
Speaker 3: off the table because of his injury.
Speaker 4: It's I mean, w W A if Steve wanted to
Speaker 4: wrestle a match, they would move heaven and earth to
Speaker 4: make it happen. Austin has said he he feels that
Speaker 4: at most he has one match less than him, and
Speaker 4: you know he's not sure if and when he wants
Speaker 4: to do that, and so the real question is, you know,
Speaker 4: and I know seam Punk has told anybody that would
Speaker 4: that that will listen to, he'd love to wrestle Steve Austin.
Speaker 4: And you know he's actually a fan of Steve Austin
Speaker 4: the work wise, So I mean, Steve Austin if they
Speaker 4: do another season is tough enough. They are planning on
Speaker 4: having Steve Austin be the host again, So I mean,
Speaker 4: there's not a there's not a problem with that relationship.
Speaker 4: It's up to it's up to Austin whether he'd want
Speaker 4: to do it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like you said, I mean, Austin's
Speaker 3: a fan of Punk, and I think if Punk is
Speaker 3: still as hot, I mean, I'm gonna see depends on
Speaker 3: where they go from here with Punk, and we're assuming
Speaker 3: that Punk is still part of the company, you know,
Speaker 3: five months from now when they would start, you know,
Speaker 3: ratching up for WrestleMania. So I mean, I think if
Speaker 3: Punk is as hot as he is, I think Austin
Speaker 3: would view that as yeah, I'll come back and do
Speaker 3: that match again. It all depends on It's hell uh,
Speaker 3: you know, and that I think that's the biggest issue.
Speaker 3: But I really think that if Austin could do that match,
Speaker 3: I think he'd be in favor of doing that match
Speaker 3: with Punk. Obviously, Punk was very much in a favor
Speaker 3: of doing that match with Austin. So it's a possibility.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many different possibilities right now. A
Speaker 3: lot of it I think depends on punk status where
Speaker 3: they go at this main angle they just created, and
Speaker 3: we'll kind of see how that sorts out over you know,
Speaker 3: the next five, six, seven months. So John, thanks for
Speaker 3: the call. Let's go to our next caller from the
Speaker 3: seven O three area code. Welcome to the show. Please
Speaker 3: say your name it where you're from.
Speaker 13: Hey, y'all, it's Larry from Atlanta. A question about Hey, hey,
Speaker 13: James and Patt. I have a question about CM Punk
Speaker 13: and kind of how to handle him taking the belt away.
Speaker 13: I'm kind of surprised that they just went flat out
Speaker 13: with a you know, potentially stripping of stripping him of
Speaker 13: the title, although they never really officially said that, and
Speaker 13: they never crun a new champion, so you know, who
Speaker 13: knows where they're going with it per se. But I mean,
Speaker 13: do you do you think it's basically going to be
Speaker 13: a deal where they try and just crown a new
Speaker 13: champion and then have you know, punks still late claim
Speaker 13: to the title at this point, or you know, go
Speaker 13: ahead and just strip it without waiting for the traditional
Speaker 13: thirty day you know, type of stipulation that they've always
Speaker 13: done before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Jerry Lawler kind of slipped in something
Speaker 3: I don't remember which match was. It was then win
Speaker 3: the tournament matches, and he kind of slipped in. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if he actually did flip on this,
Speaker 3: and he didn't mean to say it, because they never,
Speaker 3: like I said, they never really officially said he stripped.
Speaker 3: But Lawler said something like something the lines of, you know,
Speaker 3: seam fault. He didn't say the names, you know, couldn't
Speaker 3: his name, but he says it along along the lines
Speaker 3: of the former champion has been stripped or he's no
Speaker 3: longer champion. There was something to that effect, but it
Speaker 3: was never officially mentioned or drawn attention to. So I
Speaker 3: think that's part of the convoluted picture of where they are. Pat,
Speaker 3: real quick, you're you're well, Pat, We'll take your fault
Speaker 3: on that in in the after show We're gonna last time.
Speaker 3: Thanks everyone for listening. Pat, you and I would do
Speaker 3: the after show coming up next and tune in again
Speaker 3: everyone On Thursday. All right, Todly, we were off the
Speaker 3: air on the live stream of Page. Your thoughts on
Speaker 3: Larry's call and what they might do with the actual title.
Speaker 4: Well, we're probably actually on the air. Okay, the thirty
Speaker 4: day rule. WWE hasn't actually cared about that for a
Speaker 4: couple of decades, because you know, the Ultimate Warrior and
Speaker 4: Hulk Hogan used used to routinely go more than thirty
Speaker 4: days without defending the title. I don't think that's a
Speaker 4: factor here. I like the thirty day rule and the
Speaker 4: idea of it, and I'd be all, I'm safe for
Speaker 4: them bringing it back. I think if Sampunk is going
Speaker 4: to be at SummerSlam, he shows up on Raw this Monday,
Speaker 4: and because they're, yeah, in some capacity, and if you know,
Speaker 4: if they go ahead and crown the champion and do
Speaker 4: whatever they're doing and there's no mention of CM Punk
Speaker 4: and there's no sign of them Punk, then they're going
Speaker 4: to leave it for for a little while. And you know,
Speaker 4: and Punk is gonna take his time off because you know,
Speaker 4: I and that's just my opinion. I think they're gonna
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, I expect that they're gonna. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: agree with you.
Speaker 3: If Punk's going to be part of Summer Slam, he's
Speaker 3: gotta be on Monday's Raw, and and I really see,
Speaker 3: I just I don't see another match they could do
Speaker 3: that would equal or be stronger than Seena Pump orrust
Speaker 3: as at Money in the Bank without without Punk. You know,
Speaker 3: we talked about the Sina del Rio throw somebody else
Speaker 3: or just that match straight up talk about you know,
Speaker 3: if miss or ray or capture an quote unquote title,
Speaker 3: no cash in and then that person faces Sina. I
Speaker 3: don't see that. I mean Ray Sina, Miss Sina. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just that's not gonna work to equal or better
Speaker 3: Money in the Bank. So I think I think they're
Speaker 3: gonna keep Punk for Summer Slam, find a way to
Speaker 3: do that match, and then maybe he goes away for
Speaker 3: a while, and maybe that's how they get out of
Speaker 3: out of Punk winning at at winning to make and
Speaker 3: keeping the title with with the rio teas and the
Speaker 3: cash in is have Punk drop the title in Summer Slam,
Speaker 3: And I don't know that that seems like the logical
Speaker 3: way to go if Punk is really leaving the company,
Speaker 3: and the other option, you know, pat is I mean,
Speaker 3: if they wanted to go the round. I was having
Speaker 3: Punk kind of walk around the title and show up
Speaker 3: at at independent shows or you know, this is kind
Speaker 3: of you know, the far fetched thing. They could do
Speaker 3: and film it, you know, and and and do the
Speaker 3: grainy anheld film of Punk quote unquote at an independent
Speaker 3: show with the title, they go that route, I don't
Speaker 3: see it happening. I really I could see where Punk
Speaker 3: comes at SummerSlam, he drops the title and they go
Speaker 3: from there with the actual new champion. Well, there's so
Speaker 3: many different.
Speaker 8: Ways could go, James.
Speaker 4: If they're gonna do that, that sort of indie thing
Speaker 4: with with Punk going around with it, they probably could
Speaker 4: start it tonight at the at the at the i
Speaker 4: C t sail up in Michigana.
Speaker 3: Wrest line the jug Yeah, yeah, I mean that's.
Speaker 4: I mean, it doesn't get much more endie than that.
Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of I'm going to the US.
Speaker 3: I'm not the UFC, it's the uh what what Bobby
Speaker 3: Where Bobby Lashley is where his fight's going to be
Speaker 3: next buts next Friday.
Speaker 4: Strike Force or whatever there or something.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 3: Titan f C. There you go, and having Paul show
Speaker 3: up there with the title. I think that's I think
Speaker 3: that would be a nice way to extend this program.
Speaker 3: And they can't even I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of relationship w W and
Speaker 3: Titan could have here, but I mean the name maybe
Speaker 3: would be intriguing, uh to WD but have w air
Speaker 3: footage of Paul. But then again to get into the
Speaker 3: thing where they don't want to draw attention to him
Speaker 3: at all, so that that's the issue they have to
Speaker 3: get around, maybe Triple H would maybe Triple H would
Speaker 3: introduce that. I mean, there's some many things they could
Speaker 3: do and they could change their mind eight thousand times.
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, if the football strike in they
Speaker 4: could have you know, they could have Punk Shoup with
Speaker 4: developed the Hall of Fame game where the Bears are playing.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a lot ways to
Speaker 3: go here. Yeah for sure. Any fall thoughts on that
Speaker 3: topic before we wrap it.
Speaker 6: Up and go the after show, I'm not really all right?
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Speaker 11: Okay, Well, well, first of all, before we start that
Speaker 11: a question which has come up, uh, which has come
Speaker 11: up a couple of times. Yes, we're killer. Did did
Speaker 11: mail mean my Juggle Out Championship Wrestling T shirt finally
Speaker 11: got here in the mail so that Pat, No, it's
Speaker 11: it's not it's it's not on my size, obviously, but yeah,
Speaker 11: and uh, I think my and my wife's not gonna
Speaker 11: wear it, and I think she wants me to donate
Speaker 11: it to good will or sometimes. But anyway, it's it's
Speaker 11: it's a lot of gray shirt. I'm sure, I'm sure
Speaker 11: I'll find somebody who's who's willing to wear it somewhere. Right,
Speaker 11: Let's let's go on, Hawkins. Is that first team? Right? Kay?
Speaker 11: Pet I read an interview with Kerry Saturn and said
Speaker 11: there were eighteen w SEW guys who were planning the
Speaker 11: league with the radicals. I had heard the Conan Ray
Speaker 11: and Shane Douglas were also going to leave. Do you
Speaker 11: have any idea who the other eleven would have been? Well,
Speaker 11: here's the thing that happened. You know, people forget how
Speaker 11: screwed up that was when it was happening. What happened
Speaker 11: is going into that weekend, Vince Russo was still in
Speaker 11: charge of w c W and because of the injuries
Speaker 11: you know, which took place on that show, which I
Speaker 11: think where let's see h Jeff Jarrett was injured and
Speaker 11: and Brett Hart was injured, uh, you know, and and
Speaker 11: they were both in in that that covered the top
Speaker 11: two matches on the show. So the paper view had
Speaker 11: to be redone and they had to come up with
Speaker 11: a new championaire place Brett Hart. And the story goes that,
Speaker 11: you know, you know, everybody from w W came in,
Speaker 11: including research superiors, and Russom made the pitch for what
Speaker 11: he wanted to do on the show, and after Russo.
Speaker 6: Left the room, they said, okay, with this guy's got
Speaker 6: to go.
Speaker 11: And Kevin Pulldan was fu in charge. So I mean,
Speaker 11: it's possible that all these people they were talking about
Speaker 11: were people who didn't like Russo and were prepared to go.
Speaker 11: And if you talk about those people, that's a long
Speaker 11: list and probably include most of the Luta Doors who
Speaker 11: were still around the company, and you know, some of
Speaker 11: the other people or for it could have been people
Speaker 11: who wanted to leave as Kevin Pulllan was in charge
Speaker 11: and they were about to lose whatever strip they had
Speaker 11: with the Russo. So in other words, I'm not In
Speaker 11: other words, I'm not sure. I mean, I mean, there
Speaker 11: are a lot of there weren't a lot of people
Speaker 11: happy with being in WW at that time.
Speaker 3: Though, especially when the roster had about eight hundred people
Speaker 3: on it, So you figure about eighteen guys that probably
Speaker 3: wanted to leave, you know, no matter what the same.
Speaker 11: I figured that people didn't want to leave with the
Speaker 11: one two are getting paid to sit at home, yes,
Speaker 11: which included what you're yeah, and you're talking about the
Speaker 11: guys that's a lot of people exactly. Yeah, in thank
Speaker 11: the most of two thousand, trying to you know, after
Speaker 11: they said the second half of two thousand, trying to
Speaker 11: get rid of some of those people who were under
Speaker 11: contract not doing anything.
Speaker 3: To literal or not little little or no success. Yeah,
Speaker 3: most I get pre contracts.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think eighteen is far fetched.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to try to look at individuals,
Speaker 3: and like I said, Pat the Luchador roster, that's a
Speaker 3: good place to start. I mean you can probably probably.
Speaker 3: I think I don't think Perry is exaggerate when he
Speaker 3: said eighteen guys wanted to leave now.
Speaker 11: Still under contract. I was like, thanks, still under contract
Speaker 11: and he probably wanted to leave. So there's another one
Speaker 11: right there. Yeah, yeah, anyone who was in the I
Speaker 11: don't know. I mean i'd actually have to look through
Speaker 11: the post of people who were employed then, and that's
Speaker 11: I'm sure that's a lot of people, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Which doesn't make eighteen far fetch. I think that's probably
Speaker 3: a pretty reasonable number.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker 11: And and maybe Shava would have would have left too
Speaker 11: with with his Uncleetti, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't think showed interest in him at the time,
Speaker 3: did they.
Speaker 11: I think, well, they also didn't show interest in Conan
Speaker 11: and Shane Douglas, which I mean, especially Shane Douglas, which
Speaker 11: he would have allowed. You know, he left, Shane Douglass left.
Speaker 11: He quit, and and I think he was I think
Speaker 11: they weren't interested in them, and he had the sort
Speaker 11: of crawl back with his Taible twain his.
Speaker 3: Legs right right. That's the thing is all these people
Speaker 3: wanted to leave, but not necessarily Noverdeon didn't necessarily would
Speaker 3: have any interest in them at all.
Speaker 11: Yeah, there was that.
Speaker 3: That's the issue.
Speaker 11: I mean, they got who they wanted. Okay. Up next,
Speaker 11: Aaron Bark from Cedar Hill, Missouri, says hellim Agan Patton
Speaker 11: James two questions for you. I was curious what you
Speaker 11: do think are the best and worst designs for a
Speaker 11: championship belt? Well, maybe can I start with the worst one? Sure,
Speaker 11: I'll give you a hand. It was carried around by
Speaker 11: Jeff Hardy.
Speaker 3: And the Immortal belt.
Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, I think that. I think that's the worst.
Speaker 11: You know, my favorite is still the the big gold
Speaker 11: belt that was used as the w c W title
Speaker 11: in the nineties. Yeah, not the not the not the
Speaker 11: n w A belt, which is which is good for
Speaker 11: different reasons. But I liked, Yeah, that was that was
Speaker 11: the one I liked best.
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, worst, I'd say the Spinner Belt and
Speaker 3: the Immortal Belt just got it just too much, too
Speaker 3: much best. Yeah, I'd say the classic, uh the double
Speaker 3: ingle Wings WS title belt, that just as a classic
Speaker 3: look to it. It felt and looked championship worthy. And
Speaker 3: so I also had a you know, a soft spot
Speaker 3: for the white Inner title belt with the white strap
Speaker 3: there's h a classic look, just a nice upgrade. So
Speaker 3: it was always a favorite that one.
Speaker 11: Yeah, all right. My other question is about WW Superstars.
Speaker 11: What is the opening video to the show? Never teach
Speaker 11: your superstars with actual appear on the show. There's this
Speaker 11: w w's a way of telling us that the people
Speaker 11: who appear on the show are actually not superstars and
Speaker 11: don't matter. Thanks again for all the entertainment you've provide. Okay, yeah, well,
Speaker 11: I think they want people to tune into the show,
Speaker 11: so they show the the the WWE wrestlers that they
Speaker 11: think people are our most interested in. However, those wrestlers
Speaker 11: are usually taken by the writers of Ron SmackDown and
Speaker 11: and the people who put together superstars are left with
Speaker 11: them with whoever is not being used. That leak which
Speaker 11: sort of you amp, which explains explains what happens now
Speaker 11: Occasionally you get things like last week, Wade Barrett, who
Speaker 11: was in the intro, was you know, was on Superstars.
Speaker 11: That's very nice. I think maybe you get one a week.
Speaker 11: And I think this week Squad and we didn't talk
Speaker 11: about Evan Board is gonna be on Superstars and I'm
Speaker 11: pretty sure he's in the interest somewhere that that's that it. Yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, they they they're aware that that is
Speaker 11: the is the that of the C show. I think
Speaker 11: NXP is now the V show.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think the idea and I don't think they
Speaker 3: execute this well. Is a show. These are all these
Speaker 3: are all the superstars you recognize, you know, these are
Speaker 3: these are some of your favorites fro Ron SmackDown and
Speaker 3: now all these people you're watching they are on the
Speaker 3: same level because they are if they're on the show.
Speaker 3: Though this is a nice intro video, then all these
Speaker 3: people you're gonna see in matches are on the same level.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what they're trying to indicate, is
Speaker 3: that these people on the same level as your favorites
Speaker 3: from the other shows. But the execution may vary and
Speaker 3: usually does not. It's not it's not executed very well.
Speaker 3: In that in that regard, But I think the idea
Speaker 3: is to create the impression that these wrestlers are on
Speaker 3: the same level as your favorite stars, and I don't
Speaker 3: think it works out too well.
Speaker 11: You know what, I also have another possibility. You do
Speaker 11: actually get to see the wrestlers that are in the intro.
Speaker 11: It's just that they you get to see them when
Speaker 11: they're showing the video package of what happened in the
Speaker 11: main event on Raw. Yes, the Raw rebound, yes, yes,
Speaker 11: so yeah, I mean so you didn' get to see
Speaker 11: see John so you well, you didn get to see say,
Speaker 11: John Cena coming out and giving his seat. You know,
Speaker 11: it's just the same seats that they gave on Raw. Right,
Speaker 11: all right, that's next that gardner that writes prior to
Speaker 11: Sunday's Mats to Cempunk, what did you think was John
Speaker 11: Cena tike.
Speaker 6: In ring performance?
Speaker 11: You can argue that a couple of ways. There was
Speaker 11: a there was a few several years back where you
Speaker 11: had to carry literally carry the great colleague to a
Speaker 11: couple of defent matches and that was that was quite
Speaker 11: an accomplishment. Or or I could say that, uh, you know,
Speaker 11: the wrestling your twenty three match with Sena And and
Speaker 11: Sean Michaels and the subsequent rematch in London on that
Speaker 11: one episode of Raw that those were seen, those teak
Speaker 11: and ring performances, and I would I would probably agree
Speaker 11: with that that that's probably what I deal with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first thing that came to mind,
Speaker 3: was the Shawn Michaels series and the match, the fifty
Speaker 3: something in the match they had in London. I mean yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he had so many matches with Ryan Yorton
Speaker 3: that I couldn't single out a single match he had.
Speaker 3: I couldn't. There's just so many of them that none
Speaker 3: of them stand out individually. Uh yeah, he had a
Speaker 3: good Was it a TLC match or a ladder match
Speaker 3: at Edge?
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I remember that. I want to say two
Speaker 11: thousand and five, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Was that was that Summer Slam or maybe an off
Speaker 3: ramp pay per view? I don't remember which I think
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 11: I'm forgiven with Trew's the month after Summer Slam.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 11: See these guys, I can remember what happened on you know,
Speaker 11: I get so si mat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, trying to think other not not much with
Speaker 3: the miss in terms of entering Batista, not really them.
Speaker 3: They tried that a couple of times, but it just
Speaker 3: it didn't really work out.
Speaker 11: I mean they they had a series of okay matches.
Speaker 11: Why don't we deal with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I think the Sean Michael's stuff exceeds that.
Speaker 3: This match obviously gonna blok me right up there.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, okay, let's see you have the next question.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, the final question we have at the Typeman
Speaker 3: Neil Zone. This comes from Dave Portivo out of a
Speaker 3: lovely London.
Speaker 6: We're just referring to that.
Speaker 3: He's got two questions, uh, Pat and Caldwell. He says,
Speaker 3: what first question, do you enjoy one night tournaments?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 11: Pat?
Speaker 3: Do you enjoy one night tournaments?
Speaker 11: Depends on the situation. I mean, yeah, you can, you know,
Speaker 11: I mean it depends in the situation, depends on who's
Speaker 11: in the tournament.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: WrestleMania four not not the be one night tournament I've
Speaker 11: ever seen it, probably the most Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 11: didn't really conclude the tournament on Monday nights. But yeah,
Speaker 11: I mean, I mean the King of the Ring. I
Speaker 11: think it's something you can do like once a year,
Speaker 11: as with the King of the Ring and you know,
Speaker 11: with the King of a Ring, the King of the Ring.
Speaker 11: I think it was smarter them to lose that to
Speaker 11: a you know, to a three hour rock type of
Speaker 11: thing instead of making a pay for you out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that. I don't think it had
Speaker 3: any lasting drawing power anymore. I mean, let me rephrase it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it had drawing power anymore.
Speaker 4: It just.
Speaker 3: It's not something you can only sell a paper unless
Speaker 3: you have your top stars, and even that, you don't
Speaker 3: know what matchups your top stars are going to be,
Speaker 3: and that are important. You know, you might have a ray,
Speaker 3: you might have a ray versus a scene of opening
Speaker 3: around man, but that will you know, if you're looking
Speaker 3: at two top stars, but it won't mean anything because
Speaker 3: you're gonna have, you know, seven more matches that will
Speaker 3: be of equal or greater important. So it's just it
Speaker 3: cancels itself outs. I agree with you, Patt, it's better
Speaker 3: as a TV deal. Do I enjoy one NYE tournaments?
Speaker 3: I like one night tournaments. I like them. The execution
Speaker 3: is a problem. I don't know the TA has ever
Speaker 3: done one night tournament, at least in the.
Speaker 11: Well, you know, one night Yeah, you're right to probably
Speaker 11: hear them done a lot of one night tournaments. They
Speaker 11: do tournaments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't name a one night er. Well, they
Speaker 3: did a Knockouts one over you know, Christmas a couple
Speaker 3: of years.
Speaker 11: Ago, and I'm actually one of the few people who
Speaker 11: like that show.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't even know if I saw that
Speaker 3: show because I was out a ten. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I ever went back and watching it. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 3: I like the concept. I think the execution is is
Speaker 3: suspect a lot of times, and you know, once on
Speaker 3: the line, and I don't like the idea of vacating
Speaker 3: the time. I also, I mean the other one and
Speaker 3: then you have then you have a King of the
Speaker 3: Ring where Seamus wins and he goes on on a
Speaker 3: three month losing street. So that doesn't work out aso. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: execution is the biggest issue, yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: H The second question from Dave Portivo, what is your
Speaker 3: favorite tournament and which do you think is the best
Speaker 3: executed one night tournament?
Speaker 11: The best executed is obviously the one night tournament in
Speaker 11: Rio de Janeiro where Pat Patterson captured the Inner Continental
Speaker 11: title back in nineteen eighty. Yes, that, of course would
Speaker 11: be that, of course would be the best executive. Let's
Speaker 11: see favorite accounts for a one night tournament that the
Speaker 11: Crackett Cup back.
Speaker 6: In the mid eighties, and.
Speaker 11: They usually did it over over, yeah, over, They usually
Speaker 11: did it two nights, you know, the day. Yeah, that's
Speaker 11: the tasting tournament. I just thought that was a fun idea.
Speaker 11: And you know, even though you knew there wasn't a
Speaker 11: million dollars involved, it was one of those shows that
Speaker 11: was you know, it was a celebration of it was
Speaker 11: a celebration of taking wrestling and yeah, sometimes that's yeah,
Speaker 11: sometimes that's all you need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 11: W c W.
Speaker 3: Did they have a one night tournament? Oh god, yes,
Speaker 3: with a nitro era, thinking like late to early late nineties,
Speaker 3: early two thousands, did they have a tournament?
Speaker 11: Oh they did, yeah, nineteen ninety nine, the Norman nineteenninety
Speaker 11: ninety did Mayhem, which was their tournament's one night tournament
Speaker 11: for the title, which gret Heart won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that Brenn over ben Wall, wasn't it.
Speaker 11: Yes, Okay, you know, I wasn't wasn't crazy about the
Speaker 11: rest of the tournament versus than a while with a
Speaker 11: really good match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one that if you're geting at an
Speaker 3: individual match in a tournament, I think that's that's right
Speaker 3: after you're the top. I was here. They've been some
Speaker 3: decent King of the ring matches. I can't think of
Speaker 3: any other top of my head that.
Speaker 11: Like, oh geez, let's see Brett Hart versus mister perfect
Speaker 11: Preth Hart versus Van van Bigelow. Those those two.
Speaker 3: Come to mind, yeah, Heart, Yeah, and of.
Speaker 11: Course Saviio Vega versus Naval in nineteen.
Speaker 3: Ninety five, which I forget about that one. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: that's the best.
Speaker 11: It's a memorable moments. Yeah, Steve Laston beating Jake Roberts
Speaker 11: in ninety six, and yeah to Rob van Dan versus
Speaker 11: rock Lesnart even Oh that's the point the tournament final, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because the problem was ro out those King
Speaker 3: of the rings was you had the mix of talent,
Speaker 3: and you never really had a guy in his peak
Speaker 3: because obviously they that first would be a separate match
Speaker 3: or separate title match or a suffering grudge match, and
Speaker 3: you get guys on the way up for the way down.
Speaker 3: But you never really had a and you might have
Speaker 3: a couple of those guys. We never really had all
Speaker 3: the top stars in one single tournament, and they always
Speaker 3: going to be one one year off with one guy
Speaker 3: and one year one year or too early with another guy.
Speaker 3: Never really had them all together for an epic tournament.
Speaker 3: You had a flash here and then a flash there.
Speaker 11: Well yeah, I mean, and I know there have been
Speaker 11: tournaments on Rawn SmackDown over the years to you know,
Speaker 11: to crown number one contenders, and I'm I'm kind of
Speaker 11: in favor of those, but you know, usually it's it's
Speaker 11: hard to do in a two hour show where thirty
Speaker 11: minutes of it's going to be commercials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you end up. But what we had on Monday,
Speaker 3: which was you know, uh, five five five minute matches
Speaker 3: and then one ten minute match, and it's like where
Speaker 3: did that come from? So yeah, that's the probably run
Speaker 3: into you know, with a bunch of short matches that
Speaker 3: you know about a star and a half if that,
Speaker 3: and that's about it. So that is a prob. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that is a problem with the two hour show. And
Speaker 3: that was That was the last question from Dave Fortivo.
Speaker 3: That's the last question in the mail bag. Anything else
Speaker 3: in the tournament or any final thoughts before a wrap up?
Speaker 11: No, I mean it should be in.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 11: One of holse shows this weekend evolved on Tuesday night
Speaker 11: is probably the the you know, it's the big internet
Speaker 11: pay review deal, along with what's it about to come
Speaker 11: up from j c W because they've been off given
Speaker 11: out for a month trying to get a new building.
Speaker 11: I think and uh and on Saturday it looks looks
Speaker 11: to the hack of the show I had.
Speaker 3: That's a really strong show.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, you don't wanna, Yeah, I wanna. You might
Speaker 11: want to get that DVD order.
Speaker 3: Ray, get the pre order in before the show happens,
Speaker 3: I think there you yeah, yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Pat, we won't hear from you in a round table
Speaker 3: until what's the August pay per view from tml Core Justice.
Speaker 3: I'll thought you, I thought you might like to set
Speaker 3: up there. So we've got that was a good old
Speaker 3: fashioned stinging kurd angle match, and then, uh, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be hardcore about a month.
Speaker 11: So what's that it's gonna be. Uh, it's gonna be
Speaker 11: hardcore stinging kurd angle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because nothing that sounds hardcore like singing kurd angle.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I imagined a bit fro the thumbtacks. I think that
Speaker 3: was the my my thought of why he didn't do
Speaker 3: anything on Uh what was what was the July pay
Speaker 3: per view victory?
Speaker 6: Uh? It was victory roa destination.
Speaker 3: Yes, I figured he didn't pull out the the weapons
Speaker 3: and the thumbtack because he was saving it for August.
Speaker 11: That's yeah, Yeah, for the Big Green match with Brian Kendrick.
Speaker 3: I I guess that'll be it. Yeah, I guess that'll
Speaker 3: be the match. I don't know. I don't know that
Speaker 3: Bess Kendrick is gonna seem hardcore justice enough.
Speaker 11: But yeah, I haven't you know, so far in the
Speaker 11: build up and the spoilers, I haven't seen anything that
Speaker 11: would either suggest three hardcore match with any of the
Speaker 11: people involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a bit peculiar. It seems like it's
Speaker 3: only by name this year as opposed to last year
Speaker 3: and I put the entire program behind it, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe a lot maybe some last second. Hey,
Speaker 3: let's throw out a uh throwout, Oh, I don't know, uh,
Speaker 3: ball stone anywhere, or let's throw the street fight here
Speaker 3: we get no for no reason at all, and that
Speaker 3: might be the pay pill.
Speaker 11: And they can have the reverse little renal.
Speaker 3: Ah, that's hardcore. That's definitely hard that's hardcore yep, hardcore
Speaker 3: bad yep. And when he's got a poll, what can
Speaker 3: we put on a pole?
Speaker 11: That's a great idea.
Speaker 3: Let's see how about uh, how about a contract and
Speaker 3: a poll?
Speaker 11: You know, I don't know, you a briefcase, briefcase cases,
Speaker 11: briefcases on polls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that. So there you go. There's a
Speaker 3: hardcore Justice pay per view, and let's hear the find
Speaker 3: folks a team A have in store for the next
Speaker 3: time Pat you get on the round table. I'm sure
Speaker 3: it'll be all sorts of fun stuff to talk about
Speaker 3: with the show that's not really hardcore called hardcore Justice.
Speaker 11: So well, you know, we can I mean, they have
Speaker 11: a good pay per view. We can always hope that,
Speaker 11: you know, somehow they turn another another one.
Speaker 3: Yep. Maybe maybe if they're not even paying attention, will
Speaker 3: turn out to be a decent show. He works out.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Pat, well, a good show. Thanks for
Speaker 3: enjoining the live cast today. You have a great weekend
Speaker 3: and we'll talk to you next week. Forms not me, Neil.
Speaker 3: This is short is the letter, James Polo sign it off.
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