Speaker 1: Welcome to episode five fifty five of five and five.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, June eighteenth. I am your host, Greig Coldstein,
Speaker 1: joined as usual by Patrick Tabuk and Jeffrey patron Ostro.
Speaker 1: How's everyone doing today? Okay, just taking a long drink
Speaker 1: of water. Patrick's nodding silently. Everything's going really good.
Speaker 2: Very lime Seltzer, craig o.
Speaker 1: Water.
Speaker 2: I mean the kid calls it spicy water.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a kind of water. Yeah, Seltzer is a
Speaker 1: kind of water. I think I'm allowed to to say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was the last day of school to day,
Speaker 3: which means I've spent the last two days driving back
Speaker 3: and forth to school like ten times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's for the two of you spending time, yeah,
Speaker 1: seven lone time in the car, you know, really, you know,
Speaker 1: ultimately comes down to which audiobook I'm reading while I'm
Speaker 1: driving for fifteen minutes at a time in the car,
Speaker 1: and I didn't pick a great audiobook?
Speaker 3: What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you going to trash?
Speaker 3: Now? It's actually a good book. It's a sports writer
Speaker 3: by Richard Ford. Okay, it is just I am not
Speaker 3: in the right place for a miserable divorced dad lying
Speaker 3: to me about how miserable and divorced he is. And
Speaker 3: it's fourteen hours long of that. It's a lot. And
Speaker 3: that's that is my entire review of that book. It's funny,
Speaker 3: like nothing has happened in the book. I'm about a
Speaker 3: quarter the way through nowadays, I know when I keep
Speaker 3: thinking about this, like when I was when I was
Speaker 3: thinking about writing a novel when I was younger, thinking
Speaker 3: I had to. One of the things that stopped me
Speaker 3: is that I can't think.
Speaker 2: Of plot, and I thought, you know, disqualifying.
Speaker 3: It would be disqualifying. You think that something would have
Speaker 3: to happen in the story, and as it turns out, no,
Speaker 3: I just I'm never wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just early.
Speaker 1: Uh, I have Finally, I've struggled to pick up a book.
Speaker 1: I've been reading The Future, which I started a long
Speaker 1: time It's by Naomi Alderman. I started a long time
Speaker 1: ago and then put down. I don't even remember why.
Speaker 1: But it's good. It's good the whole time. Things are happening.
Speaker 1: Even early in the book. I would say, I'm not
Speaker 1: quite halfway through, but I'm enjoying it. It is not
Speaker 1: uplifting in the sense that it is about like it's a.
Speaker 1: It's very much a commentary on the current age and
Speaker 1: time and communication methods and like social media and society.
Speaker 1: And it's good, though I don't know I would recommend
Speaker 1: it thus far. I'll follow up when I actually finish
Speaker 1: a book, which might be the end of the year
Speaker 1: at this rate, but we'll see, Jeff. Anything you want
Speaker 1: to oh, I will say, Patrick, one of the reasons
Speaker 1: you said it was the last day of school. I know,
Speaker 1: not to blow up your spot here, but you had
Speaker 1: to participate in setting up for an eighth grade graduate school.
Speaker 1: And I just want to take that as a springboard
Speaker 1: for myself to reiterate my point, which is, I think
Speaker 1: unless you're getting a degree, if you're getting some sort
Speaker 1: of diploma, I don't think that there should be like
Speaker 1: a parent involved ceremony. I think you should be honored.
Speaker 1: I am all for celebrating and honoring the students at
Speaker 1: any juncture, Honestly, I just don't think it needs to
Speaker 1: be I don't think there needs to be Like you
Speaker 1: said it was at night. It's what's that night is
Speaker 1: is actual. That's like high school and college graduations are
Speaker 1: are so.
Speaker 3: Craig.
Speaker 1: My college one was during the day. My high school
Speaker 1: one wasn't night.
Speaker 3: Craig is formally announcing that he doesn't think you should
Speaker 3: go to your kids recorded recital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: That's what I asked if I could not, and I
Speaker 1: want people to understand this, I asked not to go
Speaker 1: to my college graduation.
Speaker 3: I did, like I didn't go to my undergrad one.
Speaker 3: I went.
Speaker 1: I tried not to.
Speaker 3: I went to my and then regretted it.
Speaker 1: I went. I went to my I went to my
Speaker 1: undergrad one, and my mom made me go. I said,
Speaker 1: can we just skip this? I went to just some people.
Speaker 1: I went to UMass Amherst, the large school. There was
Speaker 1: no walking across the stage.
Speaker 2: You do in the field house there that we were.
Speaker 1: In the football stadium, and we were told as a school,
Speaker 1: I in the school of management, and as a school
Speaker 1: we were told stand up, yeah, congratulate, you know, switch
Speaker 1: your tassel, sit down, and we after leaving that, my
Speaker 1: mom like, we exit the state and whatever. My mom goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. We didn't need to do this.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, although the best part was probably when
Speaker 3: somebody came up and gave a speech twenty years in
Speaker 3: advance about how there's this going to be the thing
Speaker 3: called AI and you'd better welcome it.
Speaker 1: We we did not have a commencement speaker, so we
Speaker 1: had we had like a student speaker. I would also
Speaker 1: know Bill Murray. No, not Bill Murray. Bill, Why am
Speaker 1: I Bill? Is it Packsing or Pullman?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: I said Murray, back, it's the guy from from Independence
Speaker 1: Day who gives this speech. Billah, yeah, okay, So a
Speaker 1: guy named Bill was up there, Bill Bill Pullman was
Speaker 1: receiving an honorary degree. That yeah, and which was fine.
Speaker 1: I don't care. But he was receiving an honorary degree,
Speaker 1: and I thought, we don't have a like a like
Speaker 1: a celebrity or even like a business person like commencement speaker.
Speaker 1: You can't just get him up there to do theendancy.
Speaker 3: I know people are against snary degrees, but like the
Speaker 3: man did say the world no absolutely.
Speaker 1: I look, I was thrilled to to celebrate with him.
Speaker 1: What is he there? What is he getting an honorary
Speaker 1: degree there for? If not to give a little speech.
Speaker 2: At some point to say they gave him an honorary degree.
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yess I don't anyway, Yeah, I am again I'm
Speaker 1: against all of it and don't don't.
Speaker 3: Don't go to the s And now we conclude the
Speaker 3: single happiest segment of this.
Speaker 2: Podcast, Craig saying, don't spend more time with your kids?
Speaker 1: Are you with them?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Fair enough?
Speaker 3: I guess every day could be a record of recital.
Speaker 1: They have to fract You've heard it before, trust me,
Speaker 1: all right? Our first segment, Natty.
Speaker 2: Bow No, in a while I would bring it back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wouldn't say my Raise take is aging that badly,
Speaker 1: but in conjunction with my Orioles take, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it's going well right. The Orioles are struggling. There are
Speaker 1: four and six in their last ten, as are the Rays,
Speaker 1: but they're not capitalizing on it. They are five under
Speaker 1: five hundred. Still, they are a mere one and a
Speaker 1: half games out of the wilds card. Of course, it's
Speaker 1: not going great though. Nodbe Mayo was briefly hitting three
Speaker 1: yrun homers every few games. He's since lost a lot
Speaker 1: of playing time to Blaze Alexander, who in the Orioles defense,
Speaker 1: and I guess somewhat a defense of Kobe Mayo, Blaize
Speaker 1: Alexander has been absolutely incendiary. His line in seventeen games
Speaker 1: since twenty seventh, four seventy seven, five, twenty seven point fifty.
Speaker 1: I guess it's fair to lose playing time to that guy. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's not helping them win enough games, so no, which
Speaker 1: has led h There was an article at the Athletic
Speaker 1: UH to Cal Ripken getting more involved on the field.
Speaker 1: I did not get a chance to read this, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn this over to Jeff.
Speaker 2: Every organization needs their own Jeff Bagwell or Buster Posey,
Speaker 2: and cal Ripkin is here to help with the fundamentals
Speaker 2: because they don't focus enough on the fundamentals. There were
Speaker 2: some players quoting Chris Bassett says they're not mean enough
Speaker 2: to young players.
Speaker 1: I'm sry, like specifically said they're not mean enough.
Speaker 2: I mean that was the implication. I don't want to say.
Speaker 3: I like that. The article does say, does go out?
Speaker 3: I would says Bassett acknowledged his five point two seventy
Speaker 3: RA as a factor.
Speaker 2: Also, he was never a young player who was up
Speaker 2: at like he didn't establish himself with Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo had had a saying that it's too easy
Speaker 2: for the minor leaguers nowadays because they play six games
Speaker 2: and then have a day off. And it wasn't like
Speaker 2: when he was there in twenty eighteen. You know, it
Speaker 2: was the men were men and whatnot, and you really
Speaker 2: had to grind and earned it, which led to a great,
Speaker 2: great line in the Frog Kids discord. Remember who was
Speaker 2: from saying I didn't know that old player skills included
Speaker 2: takes and wass There's stuff in the background going on
Speaker 2: with Sampasio and how injured he is or isn't.
Speaker 1: They keep playing right?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, but he sort of keep playing him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, he's getting days off, but then they play
Speaker 1: him even.
Speaker 2: They're claiming he should be playing more.
Speaker 3: At the end they go to give him a three
Speaker 3: three day break to make sure he understand he needed
Speaker 3: to play more often.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what is it?
Speaker 1: Is it good for all of this to be happening
Speaker 1: under a first year manager?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I mean, compared to the first year manager we'll
Speaker 3: be talking about it a bit at least, this one
Speaker 3: seems like he's kind of trying to figure out what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I mean, this was this is a
Speaker 2: flawed team coming into the season. Obviously we've talked about.
Speaker 2: I'm also paying and yeah, I just.
Speaker 1: Want to say this in regards to Misiah, like they
Speaker 1: want him to play more. His last twenty eight days
Speaker 1: he has a just under seven hundred ops. Yeah, his
Speaker 1: last fourteen days it's five forty two.
Speaker 2: He might be playing through something, but she means they
Speaker 2: basically said he's playing through something.
Speaker 3: Which certainly has never happened with Orioles Catchers within like
Speaker 3: the last two years before.
Speaker 2: Madley Rashman is also a little bit beat up, and
Speaker 2: he's come back to earth too.
Speaker 1: I also likes, as I said, all off season looking
Speaker 1: at Elie de la Cruz, and there was someone else
Speaker 1: who I'm forgetting, but like, stop stop playing through this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not good, Like it is not actually helping. And
Speaker 1: I know that the Orioles are not deep exactly, so
Speaker 1: their other options aren't great. But like the best thing
Speaker 1: that they can do is get psio.
Speaker 3: But they also have to teach him how to play,
Speaker 3: to be tough, and like if he if he plays
Speaker 3: through enough injuries now he won't get hurt.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, Jim Palmer, who you would think would
Speaker 2: be a crotchety old man, I love this as he
Speaker 2: is a crotchety old man generally he is.
Speaker 1: But but he was like they're insightful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like they're not handling this well, like I
Speaker 2: don't know what message they're trying to send.
Speaker 3: Like, but in defense of Albertnaz, this far more than
Speaker 3: what's going on later. This seems like it is being
Speaker 3: handed down to Albernaz rather than Alburnaz being the one
Speaker 3: trying to establish all this stuff. He's he is.
Speaker 2: Winning with right. If you want more insight into this,
Speaker 2: I'm reliably informed that the owner is working on a
Speaker 2: book about leadership.
Speaker 1: Yes you have that to read, yes, well, and also
Speaker 1: likessons in baseball, like you've been the owner for like
Speaker 1: two years? Two yeah, one to two years? Like what
Speaker 1: are what? Mostly not done anything?
Speaker 3: I'm actually in the middle.
Speaker 2: Of trade taught me about business to business sales.
Speaker 3: I didn't finish my article for today, but one of
Speaker 3: the things I want I wrote about was that, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, basalad Basio has been fine, Yes, like he
Speaker 3: has a.
Speaker 2: Bad start and a RC plus really hot and then
Speaker 2: he's cooled off because he's been heard.
Speaker 3: But also one fourteen dr C plus for a you
Speaker 3: know essentially or is he still I think he's still
Speaker 3: rookie eligible he had like one hundred and eighteen played
Speaker 3: experiances Like that's good. Like in any other year it'd
Speaker 3: be great. In this year, there are just a ton
Speaker 3: of good rookies right now, and.
Speaker 2: He's got he's got a better line than JJ weatherhole right,
Speaker 2: defensive second base.
Speaker 1: To be clear, it's not just d r C. Plus
Speaker 1: he has a one nineteen ops like it matches, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not like underperforming with good good peripherals, right, It's
Speaker 1: just he's just been good.
Speaker 2: He's twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's twenty one.
Speaker 1: You enjoy it last.
Speaker 2: You'll never see a twenty one year old Major leaguer again.
Speaker 3: Oh god, we'll get there, please the entire There's going
Speaker 3: to be threads, tendrils snaking, and other topics. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: think the very funniest thing about this article. At one point,
Speaker 3: who's the author is and girling. At one point they
Speaker 3: were like, if there were a metric, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: find where they said it. If a metric existed for
Speaker 3: teams that routinely beat themselves, call it botched plays above average.
Speaker 3: The more recent verses, the Royals are probably among the
Speaker 3: league leaders. Guys, all right, so I understand that we're VP.
Speaker 2: They're not that bad that they're not that bad defencively,
Speaker 2: they're they're not.
Speaker 3: First of all, yes, they're not that bad defensively. Part
Speaker 3: of it is Rutchman, but like there we have them
Speaker 3: nineteenth and DRP.
Speaker 4: It's it's around average and d But even if you
Speaker 4: go to like basic basic stats like feeling percentage errors,
Speaker 4: they're below average but not so so.
Speaker 1: Again, I didn't get to see it, but is it?
Speaker 1: Is it stuff like allowing runners to advance or like
Speaker 1: throwing on the wrong base or like.
Speaker 3: That's the thing man, if if there were consider going
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: A stat where you have the high profile how.
Speaker 3: Many times you made mistakes by errors, They're fine, they're
Speaker 3: not that bad.
Speaker 2: It has good fielding plays and bad fielding plays.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we don't.
Speaker 3: It's just so nebulous, and at a time when they
Speaker 3: are like twenty fifth and d RA, which is not
Speaker 3: as nebulous. Right, they're an average hitting team and a
Speaker 3: below average pitching team, and boy, it's sure is those
Speaker 3: extra couple of outs they give?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pete Alonzo plays every day, so congratulations, you have
Speaker 2: above average first basement. I will say he's going to
Speaker 2: be a three win first basement. Again, that's fine, but
Speaker 2: like he wasn't solving this.
Speaker 1: Alonso is not the problem.
Speaker 2: No, bet Alonso was not the problem. Pet Alonzo was
Speaker 2: also not the solution, right, Like.
Speaker 1: They needed some hitting. Sure, right, I think I take
Speaker 1: your point, and I'm not trying to defend tel Ripkin
Speaker 1: or the article necessarily. But but when you're pitching is
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Kevin, I can't talk today. Trevor Rogers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like and and Chris Bassett, Yes, giving up those extra
Speaker 1: outs probably does hurt quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Sure they could just pitch better.
Speaker 1: No, no, Patrick, they can't.
Speaker 2: Brandon Young is doing everything he can.
Speaker 1: Brandon well, notice I didn't say Brandon Young brand and
Speaker 1: Young is doing everything he can.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's they can.
Speaker 1: Chris Bassett cannot pitch better.
Speaker 2: Actually, no, we can't. It's just Shane Boz and Kyle
Speaker 2: Bradish are too, right, but.
Speaker 1: Bos has been Brandish and boss have both been better
Speaker 1: of late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to me, in this article, it really has a
Speaker 3: we're all just trying not to find out the guy
Speaker 3: who did this, right, this is all Please don't look
Speaker 3: at the basic problem here, which is that you had
Speaker 3: a rebuilding club that didn't build anyth you know, didn't
Speaker 3: build enough.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is right. This this is ultimately I think
Speaker 1: we would all agree. The Orioles would probably not all agree,
Speaker 1: but we would all agree that this is a Michael
Speaker 1: Lias problem.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he has a first year manager, so he's
Speaker 2: already gotten rid of his last manager. Like at a
Speaker 2: certain point the magnifying glass does turned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would. I would say just looking back,
Speaker 1: like the last twenty eight days are four starts, Boz
Speaker 1: has a two point two ers. They have they have
Speaker 1: pitched better. British has been a little more up down.
Speaker 1: He was looking very good, had back to back five
Speaker 1: runs starts. But I mean, but in general, I think.
Speaker 2: This has not been a bad offense. But also like
Speaker 2: the best ops on this team is eight oh three
Speaker 2: and it's Pee Alonso, your first baseman. Right, It's just
Speaker 2: not like they have like a bit of the Cubs
Speaker 2: problem where there's no.
Speaker 1: It's also like Taylor Ward is both a one to
Speaker 1: fourteen ops plus and also uh slugging three fifty two.
Speaker 2: Right, And like, I mean, the big problem here is
Speaker 2: Gunner Henderson has not been good. Like Gunnar Henderson should
Speaker 2: be the guy that is carrying this lineup with Alonso
Speaker 2: and Besaio and Rushman as the supporting players, right, and
Speaker 2: he's been a blowion.
Speaker 1: He should be like you said, there's there's the Cubs problem,
Speaker 1: but like there shouldn't be the Cubs.
Speaker 2: There shouldn't be a Cub problem, right.
Speaker 1: And like they they Yeah, I mean he's he's had
Speaker 1: a very good week. He's in nine to seventy one
Speaker 1: ops this week, but like, so you hope he's breaking out,
Speaker 1: but sure, you can't be sure about it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's been a rough go Baltimore. I do want. I
Speaker 1: guess the question I would have in Baltimore is when
Speaker 1: is the clock ticking on? Michael Lias? I mean I
Speaker 1: think the clock is ticking now? When does it run out?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Legitimately?
Speaker 3: Yeah. The second what's interesting about this article is that
Speaker 3: the first half of it is about the fundamentals and
Speaker 3: ripped and everything, and then as the story goes on,
Speaker 3: it kind of morphs into a much more interesting and
Speaker 3: difficult to answer question, which is why is the development
Speaker 3: not working? And I think that as that question gets
Speaker 3: ends up being the first half of the article, in
Speaker 3: the next piece, right, and you start wondering, Okay, you tanked.
Speaker 3: Why didn't it work? I don't think that Elias will
Speaker 3: have any more ways to move the shells.
Speaker 1: Around, right, I mean you look at what they well,
Speaker 1: and frankly, the way he tanked isn't even really as
Speaker 1: effective anymore. The measures that they've put in place for
Speaker 1: draft penalties for picking multiple times, you know, for being
Speaker 1: in the bottom six or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Is, and they haven't They have not drafted well. They've
Speaker 2: taken pretty big swings with like Van tone Cutt does.
Speaker 1: Well, like they did briefly right, like they got well.
Speaker 2: Did but like so Henderson's was I guess not injuries
Speaker 2: causing that, but I mean, look getting him to the
Speaker 2: majors and the way he's performing the majors went health
Speaker 2: that is a win. But you look outside, like Elie
Speaker 2: Rushman was the obvious one one that year. Yes, they
Speaker 2: drafted him good. Uh you know, Jackson Holliday was there
Speaker 2: other one one pick they have not really developed.
Speaker 1: We'll see, Yeah, it's been it was very smooth and
Speaker 1: that it was.
Speaker 2: He does not look like an impact player in the majors.
Speaker 2: There are other high picks like they got. They did
Speaker 2: a lot of cost saving moves with Kowser and Karstad,
Speaker 2: which is fine, and like Cowser was good for a bit.
Speaker 2: I think injuries have caught him up there. But also
Speaker 2: like the guys for like the cost saving, the cost
Speaker 2: savings that they used later in the draft, like they
Speaker 2: haven't they don't have the depth. They're going out and
Speaker 2: having to get Jeremiah Jackson and Laoti Tavarius and Blaze
Speaker 2: Alexander because those second and third round picks have not
Speaker 2: really worked out.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You know, they haven't developed pitching really at all, like
Speaker 2: k Povich and I guess they traded Bowmeister, but yeah,
Speaker 2: Chase McDermot.
Speaker 1: Chase mc dermott they picked up and then didn't didn't
Speaker 1: do much.
Speaker 2: With and like at a certain point like if you're
Speaker 2: not if you're.
Speaker 1: If they traded they traded five recent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, high probably going to be on the mid season fifty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's had anough. I mean like the pitching that
Speaker 1: they did develop, right, Like Michael Forett, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm saying that right, I apologize, like he was
Speaker 1: a breakout arm and they trade them to the race
Speaker 1: guess Bowmeister and and for it, right, and like there
Speaker 1: were multiple first round picks in that they traded who's
Speaker 1: the outfielder, right, he's got the crazy name Slaid something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't like that's fair to say. I just think
Speaker 1: they had to have they have had some multiple or god,
Speaker 1: I cannot talk today everyone. I apologize. Notable wins, yeah,
Speaker 1: but to your point, they are expected wins.
Speaker 2: There, even I mean, Henderson's a big win. But when
Speaker 2: you're going from a fifty win team like you.
Speaker 1: Need yeah, yeah, you need to do better than they've done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's that's the reality. When you tear it down,
Speaker 2: it does get hard to build it back up, Like
Speaker 2: it's you're seeing this with the Tigers right now too, right,
Speaker 2: and the Tigers, I think I've had probably had a
Speaker 2: similar level of success on this rebuild. Obviously they've gotten
Speaker 2: deeper in the playoffs. They have been quite as good
Speaker 2: in the regular season. I mean, I think part of
Speaker 2: that too is like they have not won a playoff game,
Speaker 2: like that's been a playoff series. Even when they told that,
Speaker 2: you don't get some of the riz visual good feelings,
Speaker 2: like it's not really helping David certain so they got
Speaker 2: to the NLCS, But like I would think, you.
Speaker 1: Know, there's a halo usually a halo right.
Speaker 2: That the Orioles don't have because of their you know,
Speaker 2: lack of success in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pe Alonzo's quotes in here about about the
Speaker 3: players need to be tougher, it's very easy to dismiss
Speaker 3: them and probably correct dismiss them, but it kind of
Speaker 3: underlines this weird uh dissonance.
Speaker 2: Here and like to to Alonzo's credit, like it's not
Speaker 2: like he he was a very like he got himself
Speaker 2: there if you go back and read like got imports,
Speaker 2: but Alanzo on miners like there's no there's like, there
Speaker 2: is no way he is playing the field in the
Speaker 2: majors out there, and he worked very hard at his defense.
Speaker 1: We killed him, yep, he read very various points.
Speaker 2: He built as swinging from a college bat swing into
Speaker 2: the one that you know got him one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty million dollar contract. So I mean he did all
Speaker 2: of these things, but he's just you know, it's he's
Speaker 2: always been a little bit cringe and like it's it's
Speaker 2: coming out in different ways in the or in like
Speaker 2: the the oriole I don't know how the Oriols fans
Speaker 2: are reacting to this honestly, and I know he's been
Speaker 2: pretty good for them, but like he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: built up goodwill as being like a homegrown Mets player,
Speaker 2: and even towards the end of his Mets tenures some
Speaker 2: of the stuff of feeling a little bit it's if
Speaker 2: it does feel like fake leadership, right, like he hasn't
Speaker 2: actually been here and he's just kind of saying this.
Speaker 1: I would guess that he has the credentials.
Speaker 2: Sure he does in a major league locker room, he does,
Speaker 2: but like, also, I don't know, Yeah, he's I won't.
Speaker 2: I don't believe in this, I say concept, but if
Speaker 2: I can see people looking at it, like Peter A.
Speaker 2: Lonzo is not a winning player? What is he won?
Speaker 1: I think that's I understand people might do that. What
Speaker 1: what he's won is, I don't know, Rookie of the
Speaker 1: Year and five All Star appearances. Yes, that's kind of
Speaker 1: what he can control. But yeah, I know, well, but
Speaker 1: that's what he can It's OK, it's a baseball team.
Speaker 1: What does Mike Trout want? Is gonna say, Mike Trout.
Speaker 2: I had terrible locker room issues and like terrible late
Speaker 2: seasons in a lot of cases while he was there.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is like solely on people.
Speaker 1: All the winners that they've brought in have also been
Speaker 1: subject to those things. Turns out it's a team issue, and.
Speaker 2: I know what I'm saying. It's like, I just it
Speaker 2: feels a little come in from him at this point.
Speaker 1: I think my view on it is that that's like
Speaker 1: mets tinged coded, that's tin slash coded. Then like more
Speaker 1: than an actual issue, I would guess that exists from
Speaker 1: from like Baltimore, either fans or players. I think the
Speaker 1: players almost certainly buy into, buy into his credibility on
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 3: Interesting Also, it's not hard to buy into because it's
Speaker 3: just the thing that ball players say. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 3: like Alonso is saying anything really all that different than
Speaker 3: a lot of thirty one year old players would say. Right. Uh,
Speaker 3: they all feel like they had it hard, and they all.
Speaker 1: Feel like it's you know, and also is even some
Speaker 1: of the younger players think they need to be tougher.
Speaker 3: Right, and because they've been listening to thirty one year olds, right,
Speaker 3: And but the question is, like you have an offense
Speaker 3: that's full of broken twenty five year olds. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: question is should you have broken them earlier, Like is
Speaker 3: the reason that the Orioles have had so many health
Speaker 3: problems and because they're not, they're being too soft or
Speaker 3: are they broken? Because people break and you should just
Speaker 3: try not to break them and be soft, right Like,
Speaker 3: it's whatever you do. People are just going to swing
Speaker 3: the pendu on the other side and blame the other
Speaker 3: side of them, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I also think it's influenced by
Speaker 1: the quality of playing. Look, you really want Samuel Bisio
Speaker 1: to play through some stuff because the guy replacing Samuel
Speaker 1: Bisio is is Sam Huff. To Sam Huff, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're Blake Snell on the Dodgers, they're not necessarily
Speaker 1: saying pitch through it, Blake because they can and they
Speaker 1: apparently it's Eric Lower, which I would say is not
Speaker 1: that different from the situation to sam Huff. But like
Speaker 1: they could call up River Ryan if they want, or
Speaker 1: it's Justin Robleski or Emma Sheehan or whatever. Right like,
Speaker 1: they they've made their choice, but they have actual depth
Speaker 1: the Orioles, as you said.
Speaker 3: Every single game that he pitched the rest of the
Speaker 3: year and still have a better the Orioles, Right Like,
Speaker 3: the position in the standings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but well I think that's but I think that
Speaker 1: speaks to my point. Right, the Orioles are both behind
Speaker 1: the eight ball in the standings, and they the drop
Speaker 1: off from Besio to Huff even just percept and in
Speaker 1: terms of perception internally within the organization and in the
Speaker 1: clubhouse is like, man, we need you out there, right,
Speaker 1: we need to win games because we're behind, and we
Speaker 1: need you to play through your your wrist thing and
Speaker 1: not only play through it, but actually succeed while doing
Speaker 1: it like we need. Of course it is I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I want to be clear. I'm
Speaker 1: not endorsing it, but I do think it influences the
Speaker 1: mindset there of you know, if if it's Adley, let's
Speaker 1: say it's that one of they actually I mean they
Speaker 1: do have a d H and whatever. But let's see
Speaker 1: this situation is Basio was in the minors or whatever
Speaker 1: and it's Adley and it's like no, no, like Adley
Speaker 1: go heal, Like we'll go to Basio. It's fine. It's
Speaker 1: not fine going away from Basio right now. It's not fine.
Speaker 1: If Gunner's playing through something, they don't have a good
Speaker 1: option outside of gunn right. The answer is you actually
Speaker 1: just need it. In their mindset is you need a
Speaker 1: nut up because we need you to come through while
Speaker 1: you're hurt. Because hand hand, I'm with you, Patrick, but
Speaker 1: I do I do think. I think it is influenced
Speaker 1: by the context of where the Organs and I think again,
Speaker 1: to me, it goes back to Elias and exactly what
Speaker 1: you said, which is they didn't actually build during their rebuild,
Speaker 1: they didn't bring in the infrastructure.
Speaker 3: I just wish that after one hundred and fifty years
Speaker 3: of baseball, we could figure out whether it's how to
Speaker 3: handle a minor league right like, and it would you would.
Speaker 2: Think, like them smaller, right, Yeah, I guess it smaller.
Speaker 3: There's another alleges.
Speaker 1: One might say they put a coat of paint on
Speaker 1: the bottom of a pool, as opposed to it addressing
Speaker 1: the actual issue.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I feel like these teams like having these things
Speaker 3: be nebulous because then their fallback arguments, and that's really what.
Speaker 2: It's Also like, you can't blame Michael Oias because there's
Speaker 2: been too many injuries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, too bad.
Speaker 3: We can never figure that out. I guess we can't
Speaker 3: blame anyone.
Speaker 1: All right, are we are? We done with the os.
Speaker 1: We saw the oils. It's Michael OAS's fault. We'll go
Speaker 1: to or second segment. We'll be reading marks where I'm from.
Speaker 1: I will tell you, Jeff, I pulled this up. I
Speaker 1: very much enjoyed the song. I would never have I
Speaker 1: would not have ever known. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's it's very much up my alley of things I
Speaker 1: would have listened to, but I did not know it
Speaker 1: at all. Really liked it, really liked it. The League
Speaker 1: and the PA met again today. We have I guess
Speaker 1: this was a League proposal day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: That's the That's everything that's come out of the meeting
Speaker 1: has been about the league, the league's latest proposal, or
Speaker 1: I guess we got details on some of the prior stuff.
Speaker 1: They also met with the Fan Council fan counsel.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't care, I'm like so I They did
Speaker 2: explain some more details on their cat proposal to the
Speaker 2: Fan Council, which included that you can be under one
Speaker 2: the floor one year as long as the average for
Speaker 2: three years is over.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not a floor.
Speaker 2: It's not a floor. They wanted eighty percent. They want
Speaker 2: you to know that eighty percent of fans support a
Speaker 2: salary camp. I don't know where they're pointing those studies from.
Speaker 2: Uh that five guys, yeah, uh And like before the
Speaker 2: stuff that came out this morning, I was just thinking
Speaker 2: about this, Like I said this the last time this
Speaker 2: came up. I think there is a scenario where a
Speaker 2: camp floor system and a greed revenue split is good
Speaker 2: long term for the players. But I just don't trust
Speaker 2: these fuckers that are offering it like they're going to
Speaker 2: find every sin because that's what they do. They're going
Speaker 2: to find every single way to save a dollar here,
Speaker 2: a dollar there, five million dollars a team here, just
Speaker 2: because that's how they want to operate in their business.
Speaker 2: That's their mindset.
Speaker 1: Yes, we've seen this. By the way, the NBA, yeah,
Speaker 1: and n had. You know, they agreed to a revenue
Speaker 1: split with the players and a salary a soft cat
Speaker 1: is very complicated, don't get me wrong. And then you know,
Speaker 1: eventually there's they implemented a second apron and again that
Speaker 1: was part of the agreement, but they powered their way
Speaker 1: to a second apron and it's never enough.
Speaker 2: The owner of the Knicks, who commercifully we have not
Speaker 2: had to hear from for the last year or two,
Speaker 2: but now have to hear from a lot, says he
Speaker 2: will absolutely not go into the second apron. You can't
Speaker 2: go into the second apron for a team that just
Speaker 2: won a title, right and you know it has a
Speaker 2: decent chance to repeat if they keep it together and
Speaker 2: sign up some ring chasing veterans, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But I can't go into the second apron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I say that not to say, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not specifically passing judgment on right and wrong.
Speaker 1: But the point is that there's an example, an existing
Speaker 1: example of how it does not stop. Like they will
Speaker 1: not sit back and say, let's just print this agreement
Speaker 1: every five years, you know, going forward. That's not how
Speaker 1: it works. They search for the next game, be it
Speaker 1: marginal or very stolen.
Speaker 2: Made enough money off this next season that he could
Speaker 2: literally press every single drad JD in this straight shot
Speaker 2: album from now on in solid gold vinyl twenty four
Speaker 2: here at gold Vinyl albums. But it's not enough, right,
Speaker 2: Like it's so it's like you gotta win. It's like
Speaker 2: it's like the Macro's always who are we verses? Right,
Speaker 2: there's got to be that aspect to it. And these
Speaker 2: are all these yer all billionaires, right like, and there
Speaker 2: we can get to the draft proposal where they're going
Speaker 2: to cut to the twelve rounds and we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna get to the bonus pool by But it's just
Speaker 2: like it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: So, it's also but I also want to pliny and
Speaker 1: this is it's.
Speaker 2: So just like charmless and feckless.
Speaker 1: And this is also written large of our our society, right,
Speaker 1: is that these guys who have won, Yeah, they've won,
Speaker 1: they've won it life, they've won it, business, they've won everything,
Speaker 1: they've won and they've won and they won, they also
Speaker 1: want to be liked. Damn well they do. They do.
Speaker 1: That's why everything is.
Speaker 2: I guess they are just worse at understanding how that
Speaker 2: go about that than others. I suppose, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: You think well.
Speaker 1: John Fisher recently came out and said, I guess I
Speaker 1: should have been more like people should have heard more
Speaker 1: from me during the the ACE, And I thought, dude, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, on one hand, yeah, absolutely, and on another like,
Speaker 1: not you specifically, because you make everything worse.
Speaker 2: This is kind of a top down problem too, because
Speaker 2: like every time Rob Bandfred opens his mouth about baseball,
Speaker 2: it just it feels like it's coming from someone that
Speaker 2: doesn't like or understand the sport. Yeah, trying to win
Speaker 2: a PR battle well.
Speaker 1: Because he got into the sport by trying to crush
Speaker 1: the union. That was that was his entrance into labor
Speaker 1: negotiations that he needed to win for the owners. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's never gonna be enough. And and look,
Speaker 1: I think you can say.
Speaker 5: That is.
Speaker 1: Generally true of the PA, or like should be true
Speaker 1: of the PA. And look, I think there are there
Speaker 1: are situations out there where unions have had too much
Speaker 1: sway and grabbed too much, and that can happen. That's
Speaker 1: not where we're at right now, right in this situation.
Speaker 1: And if we get to that point, I would say
Speaker 1: this is bad. Right there, there are you know, there are,
Speaker 1: and the union has done a lot of bad things, frankly,
Speaker 1: like the Union has screwed up a ton of stuff
Speaker 1: on amateur rights.
Speaker 2: And this week to give cord of like some of
Speaker 2: the legislation trying to tamp down an IL and transfers
Speaker 2: and stuff like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and these are like the PA I saw the
Speaker 1: league the PA didn't comment. I thought of the peating.
Speaker 2: Maybe I missed what I saw.
Speaker 1: It might have been that they commented and I missed it.
Speaker 1: But I saw the league came out in favor of it,
Speaker 1: and I at the time I had seen there was
Speaker 1: no comment from the PA. So yeah, the other details,
Speaker 1: I don't know where. Where would you like to start, Jeff?
Speaker 2: I mean, the the big one I saw this morning
Speaker 2: was the they want to scale the draft down to
Speaker 2: twelve rounds, they want an international draft, and they want
Speaker 2: to basically ban high schoolers and make every sophomore eligible.
Speaker 2: This is I mean, look, there are three things going
Speaker 2: on here. One, they're saving each team five million dollars
Speaker 2: a year, which is nothing, but they don't They'll save
Speaker 2: it if they can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I will just read the post from from Jeff,
Speaker 1: and I think J. J. Cooper had the original reporting
Speaker 1: on this. I want to be clear, but just passing
Speaker 1: put it pretty succinctly, which is MLB today proposed an
Speaker 1: overhauled domestic amateur entry system that removes high school players
Speaker 1: from the drafts, makes college players eligible after sophomore year,
Speaker 1: shortens the draft from twenty to twelve rounds and cuts
Speaker 1: bonus pool from current three hundred and fifty eight point
Speaker 1: seven million to two hundred million, So that's one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty million off the top right there. Right Also
Speaker 1: to your point in the they want to make an
Speaker 1: international draft as opposed to the current system. That would
Speaker 1: also be twelve rounds and also two hundred million I
Speaker 1: think in bonus port money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just and obviously is not just coming from
Speaker 2: the bottom eight picks. Those are one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand team they're cutting. They're going to cut bonuses the
Speaker 2: top of the draft as well to make this work.
Speaker 2: And look, there are three things happening here. One, they
Speaker 2: want to pawn off player development to colleges as much
Speaker 2: as possible, because anytime you're can have these baseball players
Speaker 2: shape by the Tony B. Betello's of the world, you
Speaker 2: have to do it. It's also they this will be
Speaker 2: part and Parcel is probably cutting another a ball level
Speaker 2: or a complex league level as well, if they just
Speaker 2: won't have as many contacts and force. And the knock
Speaker 2: on effect is if everybody's signing it twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: like you're gonna have less fewer twenty five and twenty
Speaker 2: six year old free agents.
Speaker 1: Right, it would be functionally impossible, right.
Speaker 2: Right, You're gonna have these free agents hitting at twenty eight,
Speaker 2: twenty nine, thirty and up. They're too old to get
Speaker 2: a long term contract. Now, we don't want to pay
Speaker 2: for your decline period. It's all.
Speaker 1: It's also, I will tell you my first reaction to
Speaker 1: this was they're cutting the miners, right, Like, this is
Speaker 1: more more cuts to the miners. And obviously this happened
Speaker 1: part and parcel. Last time they cut the draft from
Speaker 1: from forty rounds to twenty, they eliminated forty minor league teams. This,
Speaker 1: as Jeff said, like they go hand in hand in
Speaker 1: terms of of eliminating that. And my first reaction was,
Speaker 1: they're cutting the miners. And also, like, these guys hate
Speaker 1: the sport. And I don't just mean Major league baseball.
Speaker 1: They hate baseball, Little B baseball, right, Baseball, Minor league
Speaker 1: baseball is an entryway and I'm not Look, I understand
Speaker 1: a lot of the minor league teams still exists as
Speaker 1: partner draft leagues and whatever. They don't get as much attention.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, they just do not, and they don't These
Speaker 1: set of owners. This set of owners do not like
Speaker 1: they just don't like the game.
Speaker 2: It's such a tiny cost center. Like they don't have
Speaker 2: to run the teams, right, they just have to pay
Speaker 2: the players. Right, You've got these most of it, I
Speaker 2: know most of it is now owned by venture capital.
Speaker 2: But like, this is basically free marketing for your sport,
Speaker 2: or extremely cheap marketing for your cheaper it's cheaper marketing
Speaker 2: for your sport.
Speaker 1: And it's it's an actual accessible entryway to it, right,
Speaker 1: which the price of going into a major league game
Speaker 1: is ridiculous going off after almost certainly, but like it's ridiculous,
Speaker 1: it is, and it's prohibitive. I mean, it is absolutely prohibitive.
Speaker 1: And I meant it not only reduces access to fans,
Speaker 1: but it reduces access to players too. And I point
Speaker 1: this out. Yes, they absolutely want to shift the cost
Speaker 1: to college, like you said, but I point this out
Speaker 1: if you take high school players out of out of
Speaker 1: the pool and say you have to go to the draft,
Speaker 1: which absolutely the NFL does and the NBA does. I
Speaker 1: understand that if you're a multi understand multi sport players
Speaker 1: are not a huge portion of the draft pool of talent.
Speaker 1: I know but if you are a multi sport athletic.
Speaker 2: You find a lot of money the draft than you think.
Speaker 1: And you do get shunted to college. Do you think
Speaker 1: you're going to specialize if you're forced to specialize, which
Speaker 1: you have limited time so you don't have to.
Speaker 2: Necessarily, But your top level acc or SEC recruiters a
Speaker 2: football player as well, you're probably making more an nil.
Speaker 1: You're making more than nil as a football player. And frankly,
Speaker 1: if you're a basketball baseball player, somehow you're also making
Speaker 1: more money in basketball. Right, So your MLB is suggesting
Speaker 1: to you essentially, I know they're not putting it this way,
Speaker 1: but it really is suggesting to those multi sport athletes
Speaker 1: to fuck off from baseball. That is their suggestion.
Speaker 2: I mean this all we can talk about them wanting
Speaker 2: to guarantee profitability, guarantee you know that the value the
Speaker 2: franchise continues to go up in a predictable way. But like,
Speaker 2: ultimately this is just they don't like their workers. They
Speaker 2: don't like their workers and their jobs that made them
Speaker 2: the money, or if they're you know, they they don't.
Speaker 2: This is disciplining labor is all. It is, like they
Speaker 2: these players are more popular and more fast. Is why
Speaker 2: you get James don't want out front of all this
Speaker 2: shit too. These players are more popular, like this is
Speaker 2: like we don't actually need Dickmond for it, for any
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 1: Well, and that goes to my point of what I
Speaker 1: was saying about. They want to be liked needs to
Speaker 1: be about them. Yeah, they don't like that. It's not
Speaker 1: about them and their abilities, right, and they're what you know,
Speaker 1: they're abilities are highly questionable, but they think they're not right,
Speaker 1: and they want to be recognized as brilliant and saviors
Speaker 1: and you know they want they want all the attention.
Speaker 2: And look, if you actually win, the trophy gets handed
Speaker 2: to you first. So try to actually win maybe instead of.
Speaker 1: And then they hate the guys who do.
Speaker 3: But the way they want to win is not to
Speaker 3: be better than everyone else. The way they want to
Speaker 3: win is to make sure that nobody else can be
Speaker 3: better than them, which is a very different thing, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, so CHICKI puppin on this guy made this
Speaker 3: post and we were talking about players basically not being
Speaker 3: able to reach the majors until twenty three under these
Speaker 3: new rules. So a quarter of all Hall of Famers
Speaker 3: debuted at the age of twenty three or later most
Speaker 3: of those.
Speaker 1: Which means yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Most of them were before the integration, Like it's only
Speaker 3: been twenty since. You are cutting off major league quality
Speaker 3: performance from being able to play in the major leagues.
Speaker 3: Not major league quality, yeah, a major.
Speaker 1: League like well above average major league.
Speaker 3: I mean, these play, these Hall of famers, you know,
Speaker 3: when they're twenty one, like they're having Samuel Beside Greer year.
Speaker 2: One of the one of the clearest markers of that
Speaker 2: you will be a superstar level player, qualifying level players.
Speaker 2: You have the majors twenty or twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you're good, right, You're you're one leagueles guy, yeah,
Speaker 3: twenty yeah, sure, and and the league is just saying
Speaker 3: we're going to make those seasons go away. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so it just makes the game worse. You're not having anything.
Speaker 2: And everything like they're doing it so that you know,
Speaker 2: the end shittification as it were, is so gradual because
Speaker 2: you have the same number of teams, you have the
Speaker 2: same number of players actually at any given time, like
Speaker 2: ball parking, the average talent level, like intellectually is they
Speaker 2: think it's tough to do, right, Like we know that
Speaker 2: generally sports or athletic endeavors in general. Over the last
Speaker 2: one hundred years, like everybody involved gets better, whether it's
Speaker 2: because of more specialized training, better nutrition, earlier adoption, stuff
Speaker 2: like that, you know, more access to data and information.
Speaker 2: In baseball's case, if that slows down, like you're not, like,
Speaker 2: it's going to be difficult to notice. I think, mmm,
Speaker 2: and you know major not that the owners care because
Speaker 2: they're still fielding the same amount of teams, and not
Speaker 2: even that the players union cares because it's still the
Speaker 2: same amount of jobs will be there.
Speaker 3: But it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, they're going to produce the miners, and
Speaker 1: the miners are part of the players.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Look, I think this is a complete non starter for
Speaker 2: a variety of reasons. It's something that they give up
Speaker 2: to get their international draft or something else. Yeah, when
Speaker 2: it comes down to it, it's just not nobody. There's
Speaker 2: like neither side. There's not enough money in this, and
Speaker 2: either side is invested enough in it too.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just such a weak. But it
Speaker 1: is also a roadmap.
Speaker 2: It is a roadmap.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's something. It's a week.
Speaker 2: The continuation of the roadmap.
Speaker 3: Really right, Well, this is fans get nothing out of this.
Speaker 3: It's just something that they give up and go, oh, relax,
Speaker 3: we never really wanted. It's fine now that we've got
Speaker 3: our compromise. We didn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're taking your kid to Nashville Tourist game
Speaker 2: or whatever a few times a year and that team
Speaker 2: goes away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you do something I do. So to your
Speaker 1: point of it's it's been a roadmap or it's a
Speaker 1: continuation of Like I think a lot about Mark Normand
Speaker 1: and when he first came back to BP and wrote
Speaker 1: for us, I think the first article he wrote when
Speaker 1: he came back was Jeff Luna is gone. Jeff Luna
Speaker 1: is everywhere you look. And this is it, right this,
Speaker 1: this is part of that. He'll be writing on this
Speaker 1: stuff for next week, by the way, and I guarantee
Speaker 1: you there's a link in there. If you missed it,
Speaker 1: he'll he'll link it. But I was gonna say, my
Speaker 1: first reaction was about the miners and and you mentioned this,
Speaker 1: But the first person I saw talk about it was
Speaker 1: Joe Sheehan on Blue Sky.
Speaker 3: But like.
Speaker 1: He he pointed out, he said, many of the greatest
Speaker 1: players ever were good Major leaguers at nineteen to twenty one.
Speaker 1: This draft proposal would make it impossible for a player
Speaker 1: to be basically impossible for a player to debut before
Speaker 1: he's twenty two. I think it would also wreck free
Speaker 1: agency because almost no player would get there before age
Speaker 1: twenty eight, which is which is what you said, John,
Speaker 1: They're trying to right, well, yeah, and this is like
Speaker 1: this is an upfront cost cutting, but I do think
Speaker 1: the real savings are that back end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right. No.
Speaker 1: Joe recently wrote and it was not related to this,
Speaker 1: but it was it was a couple newsletters ago, but
Speaker 1: he wrote, basically the fall off on players, look at
Speaker 1: manny a chop this year. Look like you you're not
Speaker 1: getting a big contract for anything past your your age
Speaker 1: thirty one.
Speaker 2: I mean sort of like having an Aaron Judge level platform.
Speaker 1: Yere right right, he like he is an absolute free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you will writet one but like for the
Speaker 2: most in most cases, right like.
Speaker 1: But even then, and look I said this at the time,
Speaker 1: like I wasn't short because because he was in that
Speaker 1: age bracket, right, you do start to wonder, and you know,
Speaker 1: I go back to this this this quote from Ross
Speaker 1: Atkins from twenty eighteen lives in my head. I swear
Speaker 1: I I link it a lot more than it probably deserves.
Speaker 1: We linked and stuff because it really just he said
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, when you're talking about free agency, you're
Speaker 1: talking about aging players, and the trend of overplaying overpaying
Speaker 1: a player's aging curves has come to an end across baseball.
Speaker 1: Now he was wrong, but he will be right if
Speaker 1: this is the way things are going, right, This isn't
Speaker 1: never wrong, just early for Ross Atkins. Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: trying to effectuate it, right, Like that is where this
Speaker 1: is going, and that is where the squeeze comes in.
Speaker 2: I mean, the funny thing of this if if you
Speaker 2: did this in concert with the cap floor, some team
Speaker 2: would have to pay the thirty year old too much
Speaker 2: money just to get to the floor. Well yeah, but
Speaker 2: again that's all part of the Like, Look, this is
Speaker 2: a this is a macro economic game for them, right.
Speaker 2: This is we're taking the biggest breadsheet here possible and
Speaker 2: just trying to shave it here and there and over
Speaker 2: the years. And while other stuff is going up for us,
Speaker 2: it's going up at a slightly slower rate for the players.
Speaker 2: That's all this is, and just trying to like whitdle
Speaker 2: that little gap you know where that line and this
Speaker 2: line meet, right, and you know, under the guys of
Speaker 2: making the sport more competitive or whatever. But that's not
Speaker 2: the point here.
Speaker 3: The quality of the game always gets sacrifised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that and that's part of what I mean
Speaker 1: when I say, like they don't. They just don't like
Speaker 1: the sport like they just and and maybe like in
Speaker 1: theory they like it.
Speaker 2: They like the money that it brings in for them.
Speaker 1: Well, they certainly like that. But I would say, like
Speaker 1: if you if you ask them and how to like
Speaker 1: truth serum, they might be like, well, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it, but they don't like it enough to
Speaker 1: stop destroying.
Speaker 2: I don't think David Rubinstein purchased the Orioles primarily because
Speaker 2: he likes baseball.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I don't. Yeah, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: specific you know, specific guys may or may not, right,
Speaker 1: but again not none. Basically, none of them like it
Speaker 1: enough to stop yeah sucking, it's life blood out right.
Speaker 1: They might like it, but only to a certain to
Speaker 1: a certain point, Patrick, anything else you want to touch
Speaker 1: on here, All right, let's take a break and we'll
Speaker 1: be back with the rest of the show and some
Speaker 1: more depressing conversation. Welcome back to episode five hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five of five and Dive. It's a lot of fives.
Speaker 1: We're on our third segment, Pride Goeth before a Fall,
Speaker 1: and we're going to return to San Francisco. I will note,
Speaker 1: first of all, we had an email come into the
Speaker 1: show at our last discussion of this noting that it
Speaker 1: wasn't just guys writing messages on on their hats, on
Speaker 1: the hats with the rainbow logo. That and I think
Speaker 1: you might have mentioned, but like Sam Hankas just wore
Speaker 1: a regular hat, yeah, which I suppose is an option. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is an option. I don't feel differently about Sam
Speaker 1: Hankas's choice than I do about the guys who wrote
Speaker 1: a you know, wrote a Bible verse on their hat.
Speaker 1: I don't think. And frankly, he had the most to
Speaker 1: Patrick's point, at least it was upfront, but he had
Speaker 1: kind of the most aggressive things to say in regards
Speaker 1: to this. I so I do want to make clear
Speaker 1: that if we didn't say that that was an option
Speaker 1: given and taken, it doesn't change I view it all
Speaker 1: of a piece. Right, So, after these three Giants. This
Speaker 1: does not apply to Sam Hankas I guess, but the
Speaker 1: league warned the Giants players who wrote on their hats.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: This is for the league a standard warning. They are
Speaker 1: not fined, they are not punished. It is a warning
Speaker 1: that you're not allowed to essentially deface the hat, and
Speaker 1: that they include in the warning comments like we have written.
Speaker 1: We have sent this to people who have written like
Speaker 1: thank you mom or dad.
Speaker 2: This is not taking an actual stand on anything, right.
Speaker 1: They want to make very clear that this is not.
Speaker 2: This is a this is a uniform code subjective.
Speaker 1: It is just about uniform violations. And I gotta tell you, like,
Speaker 1: it was clarifying to me that they were, like, yes,
Speaker 1: someone saying like I love you mom on their hat?
Speaker 1: Is is equal? Is equal? In this situation. It is clarifying,
Speaker 1: perhaps not how they wanted, but it was.
Speaker 3: And also, you know, the fact is that you know
Speaker 3: Clinton kersha right, did this was it last year, the
Speaker 3: year before?
Speaker 1: It was I think two years ago. I don't think
Speaker 1: he was the first one.
Speaker 3: No, but it was it was something that happened recently.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that somebody on the podcast and he absolutely did.
Speaker 3: Issued the same warning to him. Now. Unfortunately, they didn't
Speaker 3: issue that warning very loudly or publicly, and so it
Speaker 3: makes me wonder, does everyone just gets one free shot
Speaker 3: at this? Huh? Because you've given like it if the
Speaker 3: first warning is a warning, it feels like once you
Speaker 3: have said it out loud to the internet, to the world,
Speaker 3: that's the warning for everyone. Like, I don't think that
Speaker 3: next year a different team she get to have three
Speaker 3: players do this and for the lead to go two
Speaker 3: days later. Oh, no, you know, we have a warning.
Speaker 1: We have to give you this warning first. That's the rules.
Speaker 1: I would everyone's been warned. I would suspect Patrick that
Speaker 1: it is not a one free shot deal and that
Speaker 1: if this, if one of these guys did it again
Speaker 1: next year, they would get the same this. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Yeah, I suspect that this is
Speaker 1: not something. Look, MLB and I suspect its lawyers want
Speaker 1: to get nowhere near a conversation about religious passages referenced
Speaker 1: on a hat, right. I suspect they don't want to
Speaker 1: get anywhere near that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a shame that they're doing very little to steer
Speaker 3: themselves away from that pretty inevitable outcome.
Speaker 1: Oh, sure. I mean, look this very oh MLB and
Speaker 1: the people that running be it shortsighted.
Speaker 2: This very like milk toast warning to the players has
Speaker 2: already gotten them this exact same response they would have
Speaker 2: that they told them not to do it for specific
Speaker 2: like pride reasons. Basically, there's been no difference in the
Speaker 2: response from like Josh Holly and can have it right,
Speaker 2: Like they're gonna do the same political grand standing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't like you. There's there's no level of like
Speaker 2: wishy washiness that will protect you here, so you might
Speaker 2: as well just come out. But the other thing is,
Speaker 2: I don't think only really cares.
Speaker 3: But the thing is that wishy washing this is easy
Speaker 3: and fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like this is you know, there's there's a
Speaker 2: lot of you said about rainbow capitalism, and I'm none
Speaker 2: of us are really the people to say it per se.
Speaker 2: But there is this idea that I've seen in LGBT
Speaker 2: community that like the fact that corporations feel they have
Speaker 2: to do this is a good thing writ large. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: like it's pressure, right, but it will be worse for
Speaker 2: them not to do.
Speaker 3: It, right, Is it worse for them to do it
Speaker 3: in this way where it's just shown as a.
Speaker 2: Right so that the party like they should be saying,
Speaker 2: like just wear the hats for one day, right, like
Speaker 2: this is part of your.
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is what we talked about last spot.
Speaker 1: And I do I do want to be it's it's
Speaker 1: the slightest bit complicated to me because I I do
Speaker 1: generally think people should be able to opt out of
Speaker 1: like forced sponsorship of whatever. But I also in general
Speaker 1: air on the side of it is one night, and
Speaker 1: like too, and again I mentioned this, whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: one of the military uniforms or whatever, like or those hats,
Speaker 1: I can have a lot of problems with that. I
Speaker 1: also don't I'm not trying to impugne necessarily people in
Speaker 1: the military, like specific people, and those are the people
Speaker 1: I might offend, right, And so like for one one
Speaker 1: it's one night. It's it's one thing, and you can
Speaker 1: just like understand that both there are objections and that
Speaker 1: those objections are not worth it hurting people. And like
Speaker 1: we've seen, is it is it?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: I apologize? Is it Kuiper or or Cruco who came
Speaker 1: out for the giants? Who Cruco who came out and
Speaker 1: and spoke about this which isn't great for the Giant.
Speaker 1: I mean it's good for for him, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I I this this kind of feeble.
Speaker 2: Like the other thing is this this isn't point out
Speaker 2: by people in the San Francisco media and Somesco Giant
Speaker 2: fans like I have grave misgivings about Gave Kapler as
Speaker 2: a baseball figure, but like this ship never would have
Speaker 2: happened under him. It didn't happen under Bob Melviny like
Speaker 2: something in like Bettello came out and gave like the
Speaker 2: most like well, I hope they don't get distracted by
Speaker 2: the response kind of quote and just like just not
Speaker 2: meeting the moment at all. I guess he said something
Speaker 2: has not met a moment from the Giants or to
Speaker 2: comment on this, and this is just like this is
Speaker 2: like wait, I don't know how to tell you need
Speaker 2: to care about other people have to.
Speaker 3: Pay, Like I don't at least pretend.
Speaker 2: You should care like these these players, for the most part,
Speaker 2: like have never like I understand getting when you do
Speaker 2: this the whole thing with the oil like at getting
Speaker 2: the major league cards. These guys have like been even
Speaker 2: if you're not a particularly good Major League baseball player,
Speaker 2: which you know some of these players in question are
Speaker 2: you have been the best baseball player on the field
Speaker 2: like most of if not your entire life, And that
Speaker 2: carries with a certain amount of above it all mess
Speaker 2: that you can just get. You can your viewpoints in
Speaker 2: your you know, whatever you think should be prioritized because
Speaker 2: you're good at baseball, right, like that's always. It carries
Speaker 2: with a certain amount of like social and cultural cachet
Speaker 2: like just wear the hats man.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah it Honestly, the response has almost been worse
Speaker 3: to me because, like as a baseball team, when you
Speaker 3: sell a car, you sell a car to somebody and
Speaker 3: they give you money and you don't answer their calls. Afterwards,
Speaker 3: you'll be like, well, I gave you the car, and
Speaker 3: you gave me the money, and therefore the transaction is completed.
Speaker 3: Now that's not how it works, because people will find
Speaker 3: somebody else who actually will care enough to like maybe
Speaker 3: help fix the car afterwards or something. But you can,
Speaker 3: at least on that ground say, look, we conducted a transaction.
Speaker 3: When you were a baseball team and someone gives you
Speaker 3: money to watch this baseball, the caring is part of
Speaker 3: what they are paying for you have to pretend to
Speaker 3: want to put a product on there, and that you
Speaker 3: want the people who are in the stands to be
Speaker 3: part of the product. It is not something that is
Speaker 3: completely separate from the purchaser. And you can't just ignore,
Speaker 3: you can't just send no comment like it's just not
Speaker 3: something you're allowed to do.
Speaker 1: Well, So here's here's the thing. And I think I
Speaker 1: think I would guess our audience generally agrees with us,
Speaker 1: So that's that's fine. But I think someone could listen
Speaker 1: to this stuff and say, like, you're coming close to
Speaker 1: shut up and dribble, right, not you specifically, Patrick, but
Speaker 1: the conversation, I mean.
Speaker 2: They are, they are. It is absolutely a fair game
Speaker 2: for them to say whatever they want about right.
Speaker 1: No, Well, so that's that's kind of my point is.
Speaker 1: But I also think, like I'm not saying shut up
Speaker 1: and dribble, I'm saying, like if if, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to quote GT. Brew Baker and Ryan Walker, who have
Speaker 1: quote unquote broken their silence after their Pride Night hat protests,
Speaker 1: if what you want to do is just play ball? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the quote from from from the NBC Giants, like
Speaker 1: the NBC Sports Giants account just play ball. That's all
Speaker 1: I want to do. That option was available to you
Speaker 1: wear the hat. Yeah, that that was completely and totally
Speaker 1: available to you, and you chose, and you chose not
Speaker 1: to do it. And and again, like, I think this
Speaker 1: applies equally to Alex Call and Blake Trinan who Dodgers
Speaker 1: who opted not to wear the Pride hats. I think
Speaker 1: that's just as much a commentary as writing something on
Speaker 1: the hat. The league doesn't seem to mind it, but
Speaker 1: I think it's the same thing. If if there's any
Speaker 1: blowback at all, it could have been easily avoided and
Speaker 1: and putting on a rainbow hat. And again, if you
Speaker 1: if you think, if your association with rainbow is that
Speaker 1: it's a representative of the covenant between God and man
Speaker 1: based on that Bible verse, then wear the hat, wear
Speaker 1: the hat with pride. Who cares? It's not a problem then,
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, lots lots of people, lots of
Speaker 1: people disagree with the way a huge segment of the
Speaker 1: population and the government uh characterize what the flag means
Speaker 1: at this moment, and many of those people care deeply
Speaker 1: about our American flag right the stars and stripes, and
Speaker 1: will wrap themselves in it because it still means something
Speaker 1: to them. It is representative of something to them individually,
Speaker 1: and they don't mind holding that truth to themselves and
Speaker 1: feel and making that feeling known between themselves and the
Speaker 1: flag and anyone who wants to listen to how they
Speaker 1: feel about it. If you feel about the rainbow flag,
Speaker 1: how you claim to feel, then you don't need to
Speaker 1: augment it and you.
Speaker 2: Don't need wear No, we need to make it clear
Speaker 2: that it's only about this and not about that.
Speaker 1: But you can do that on your own, right, but
Speaker 1: that But you're right, and my point being is it
Speaker 1: is clearly not about that, is it? It is about
Speaker 1: a rebuke. It is about that that other people feel
Speaker 1: differently is incorrect? Right that it is, and it's not acceptable,
Speaker 1: right it is. It's not just I have my own connection.
Speaker 1: If you have your own connection, you you can wear
Speaker 1: a flag and I can. I can wear you know,
Speaker 1: a rainbow, and I can wear a rainbow and it
Speaker 1: can mean different things to each of us. But that's
Speaker 1: not what's going on here, and that's what's obnoxious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And the next level of obnoxiousness and feebleness, and as
Speaker 1: Jeff said, fecklessness is I just want to play ball.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 1: That opportun was available to you the entire time. That's
Speaker 1: that's the nonsense. I don't know if we want to
Speaker 1: go deeper on Tony Vittello's.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just.
Speaker 3: The giants.
Speaker 1: This guy lasting the year. Yes he's making it's.
Speaker 2: Like he's still here.
Speaker 3: But like you can't if like we are still at
Speaker 3: a point where like Buster Posey has to decide, like
Speaker 3: how much he is being actively damaged by Joe if
Speaker 3: Fottella's employment every day.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean he's also trying to trade the three
Speaker 2: contracts he just signed, which is not helping either.
Speaker 3: But every day that, every day that Battello keeps his job,
Speaker 3: it looks a little less worse that he's going to
Speaker 3: fire him with so much money left on his contract,
Speaker 3: And every day that he keeps him employed, the team
Speaker 3: gets a little worse in every way. And it's just
Speaker 3: like the world's most depressing calculus, right, I yea. The
Speaker 3: problem the prompt posy is that like there is no
Speaker 3: way out, Like if Fotilla gets fired now, it makes
Speaker 3: him look bad. If Vittello doesn't get fired, it makes
Speaker 3: him look bad. The only thing that he can hope
Speaker 3: for is some massive, random twenty game win streak to
Speaker 3: bail him out. And I guess that's just what he's
Speaker 3: buying time for, because it's not really any other outcome.
Speaker 1: Tony Botello compared the backlash to these hats and sartorial choices.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to say comments because
Speaker 1: well there were comments, but whatever. Uh two sec baseball
Speaker 1: fans who heckled players.
Speaker 2: That's all he knows. He doesn't know.
Speaker 1: This is like, let's just I mean, just not not
Speaker 1: to be fair enough, not not to be the most
Speaker 1: annoying person on the internet. But like let that sink it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk about not fucking getting it right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The other thing is like you manage in San Francisco, right,
Speaker 2: Like that's.
Speaker 1: I mean, layer that on top of you. I don't
Speaker 1: care if he's in fucking Tuscaloosa, No, I know, but
Speaker 1: like that this is so pigheaded it is. But also
Speaker 1: I'm just anywhere, you know, But like I don't care.
Speaker 2: Right now and you shouldn't. But like, I don't know, man, It's.
Speaker 3: It's bleak.
Speaker 2: It is real bleak. It's like the.
Speaker 1: I do think, I do think it goes back to
Speaker 1: what you said that You've said a lot of accurate
Speaker 1: things in this Jeff, but like I don't know how
Speaker 1: to get how to tell you to care about it.
Speaker 2: Right, and that that honestly and like the best you've
Speaker 2: been able to hope forward. Basically baseball for the last
Speaker 2: decade or so is that they that they make the
Speaker 2: cost benefit analysis it says it's better to I mean
Speaker 2: the Rangers don't, but every other team has made the
Speaker 2: cost benefit analysis that it's better to have Pride Night
Speaker 2: than not. And I think I keep thinking back to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, what is an actually acceptable protest for this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff? And there was a there's an Irish
Speaker 2: player a few years ago in the Premier League who
Speaker 2: refused to wear the poppy. Every soccer team wears the
Speaker 2: red poppy for Rememberance Day, the closest game does it.
Speaker 1: But he we're all wearing the poppy now, Yeah, MLB
Speaker 1: players wear the I know no. I liked it up
Speaker 1: because I was like, when did this happen? And I
Speaker 1: think like twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: Right, It was like I can't, like, I can't wear
Speaker 2: it because of the like I can't like I don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with Basically supporting the English military right, And
Speaker 2: we talked about this in the last episode with Carlos
Speaker 2: Stilgado and Vehicus, right, like when he was refusing, I
Speaker 2: don't even think he was shooting the stand. He was
Speaker 2: shooting to come out for the anthem.
Speaker 1: And then all the like the Canadian players not wear
Speaker 1: the fourth of July hat that says USA two fifty
Speaker 1: on it, Like how does that work? Can the Dominican
Speaker 1: players not wear it? But again like Peo, like, how's
Speaker 1: it work?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah. I don't like this is it's bleak
Speaker 2: that there's no other ware, and like no one is
Speaker 2: rising to meet the moment here, right, like no one?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe Kruko Yeah, And I look, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say I endorse everything he said, but he
Speaker 1: said some good things in the continuance of not necessarily
Speaker 1: meeting the moment. We have the independent York Revolution. Yea,
Speaker 1: they had a Pride night and they didn't have a
Speaker 1: baseball game.
Speaker 2: Players players refused to wear it, so they came forth.
Speaker 1: Right, So I do well, First of all, I would
Speaker 1: say the York Revolution organization seems to be in a
Speaker 1: decent spot here. But before we actually I know, I
Speaker 1: moved this on to that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: It came out in some of this reporting and more
Speaker 1: conversation about this, that the giants had been talking about
Speaker 1: this for weeks. Had you seen No?
Speaker 2: I didn't see that.
Speaker 3: Now, I mean it was on the calendar, I'm sure no,
Speaker 3: but like the players had been discussing kind.
Speaker 1: Of how do what to do?
Speaker 2: I did? I think I actually did see some of
Speaker 2: that in the first.
Speaker 1: A one night yeah hat and like Pride Night event
Speaker 1: at the stadium, distract you for weeks, Tony Vottello, get
Speaker 1: your house in order, and and all of these guys.
Speaker 1: I mean that is pathetic. You're out here losing baseball
Speaker 1: games and you're spending your time on how how you
Speaker 1: need to handle whether to wear a hat or not,
Speaker 1: and fucking pathetic. I'm sorry. I just I had back
Speaker 1: to York the players. Enough players, I guess refused to
Speaker 1: participate in wearing the hat, and the organization said, then
Speaker 1: we're just not having a game. The organization still held
Speaker 1: an event for the for you know, for the night. Uh,
Speaker 1: they are donating additional money, uh, to the causes that
Speaker 1: the night was going to to support. It does from
Speaker 1: what I've seen, seem like they are upset about this,
Speaker 1: but decided the best thing they could do, rather than
Speaker 1: have the players go out ye not in support, was
Speaker 1: say we stand the like they They basically said, we
Speaker 1: want to be clear how these players feel, how these
Speaker 1: players feel are is not in accordance with how we feel.
Speaker 1: That's that's the reporting I've seen. I don't know if you.
Speaker 2: Other other stuff, it's probably don't even have to do that.
Speaker 2: They just had to say wear the hats like this
Speaker 2: is not just wear the hats for one night. Go
Speaker 2: try to win a baseball game.
Speaker 1: Patrick anything, No, No, I'm tired.
Speaker 3: This is sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. I mean that is that is sad.
Speaker 1: To take the Pride game. I mean, I understand where
Speaker 1: the team is coming from. They were not They're in
Speaker 1: a tough position seemingly, but to take the game away
Speaker 1: is like the you know, I don't know they they
Speaker 1: The club wrote, we feel that this is the best
Speaker 1: way to stay consistent with our long standing partnerships with
Speaker 1: the Rainbow Rose Center, JLS Automation, and a long list
Speaker 1: of allies that have always been key partners of the
Speaker 1: York Revolution's success in York Pennsylvania. Uh they are. They
Speaker 1: announced they will be making a ten thousand dollars donation
Speaker 1: to the Rainbow rowse Center to further their work on inclusivity,
Speaker 1: and that it was disappointed. The Rainbow Row Center said
Speaker 1: it was disappointed that circumstances led to this outcome, but
Speaker 1: express gratitude to the revolution. So it does seem like
Speaker 1: they are on the same page with the organizations they
Speaker 1: we're trying to support with this. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it is bleak. Yeah, I don't know what else to
Speaker 1: say other than I hope, I hope this trajectory changes,
Speaker 1: yea as soon as possible. On that note, let's go
Speaker 1: to our next segment around the Horn. The Phillies optioned
Speaker 1: Andrew Painter. He didn't get out of the second inning,
Speaker 1: I think in his most recent start. I you know,
Speaker 1: obviously not what they want to do.
Speaker 3: No, given that they don't have I.
Speaker 2: Mean, Dave duns he does love trading for a poor starter,
Speaker 2: which you will now have to do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I think this makes sense.
Speaker 2: It was not working, not working. They're in a playoff race, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't. They're already rolling Aaron Nola out there once
Speaker 2: that every five days, and it's not going great. And
Speaker 2: you do that with two fifths of your rotation.
Speaker 1: You Yeah, well, and Nola at least even when it's
Speaker 1: not going great, he can usually you're not burning your bullpen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, out of it.
Speaker 1: Bryce Wilson is, Yes, roster.
Speaker 2: Seth Johnson and Bryce Wilson. I assume pitching out of
Speaker 2: the pen. I guess anything gonna start pricing.
Speaker 1: They're both listed in, but presumably could take a spot start, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. Uh, they'd obviously already moved on from
Speaker 1: Taiwan Walker. Yeah, yeah, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's Lucas how Is. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, Eric Flower has been not bad for the Dodgers.
Speaker 1: You could probably pry him away given that they have
Speaker 1: River Ryan.
Speaker 2: I mean, they'll be able to if they want to
Speaker 2: make a move for a you know, a fourth fish
Speaker 2: starter in the next week or two. A couple of
Speaker 2: times too that they'd probably be able to do it.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Lucas Giolito has walked more very mediocre Patrick. He's walked
Speaker 1: twenty one in twenty five and two thirds and struck
Speaker 1: out sixteen. That is very I understanding as a four
Speaker 1: or five e R, which is like below.
Speaker 2: One of the teams. They're directly competing with but.
Speaker 1: He's been actively pretty bad. Yeah, despite I mean four
Speaker 1: or five Era is like drastically overstating what he's done. Uh,
Speaker 1: Milwaukee will be without the surface the services. Excuse me
Speaker 1: of when Priester he will have surgery for thoracic outlet syndrome.
Speaker 1: That's obviously just a huge bummer. He had a really
Speaker 1: nice step forward last year, was a key piece for them,
Speaker 1: and frankly, not that they're struggling, but they could use
Speaker 1: him in this rotation. It is really at this point
Speaker 1: Kyle Harrison and or really let's start with Jacob Mezarawski.
Speaker 1: I apologize Kyle Harrison and then a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a mixed.
Speaker 2: Bag the l lead leaguer league leader and wins.
Speaker 1: Aaron ash is not part of the rotation. Uh no,
Speaker 1: they're I mean, look, they're obviously doing fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to impugne.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure they would rather have him in
Speaker 2: the rotation right now than Brandon sprote.
Speaker 1: Right, it's gas are sprout and Drohan watched Drohan. I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's something interesting here, but.
Speaker 2: It's Henderson just can't stay healthy. Basically they have options,
Speaker 2: but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have a lot of Henderson is hurt.
Speaker 1: Colman Crow, who they had called out, is hurt. Brandon
Speaker 1: Woodruff is hurt.
Speaker 2: I mean they also tend to target pictures. They get
Speaker 2: hurt a lot.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but that is a bummer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, Chase the latter is hurt. He fractured a rib.
Speaker 1: This was I saw a MLB trade rumors. This was
Speaker 1: all in one game. They lost Jose Ramirez to a
Speaker 1: fractured haymate. As we discussed, Chase the latter finally diagnosed
Speaker 1: I think hurt in the same game, but diagnosed finally
Speaker 1: with a rib fracture. And they also lost on how
Speaker 1: Martinez to a fractured foot. Surprisingly, it wasn't the lotter
Speaker 1: with the fractured foot was that is. Look, we've talked
Speaker 1: about them, Patrick wrote about them h and their offense recently.
Speaker 1: That's a lot to lose for this sea. We like,
Speaker 1: we can talk about Jose Ramirez not being at his
Speaker 1: normal pace. He was also leading the team in ops.
Speaker 1: Chase the latter was second. Now not by leaps and bounds.
Speaker 1: This is a much more balanced offense than normal. But
Speaker 1: also Gabriel aria Aris excuse me, is backfilling at third
Speaker 1: base right now, I'm a little yet, but they might
Speaker 1: they have an option there, but right now it's Arius
Speaker 1: who has had a mid seventies oh ps plus for
Speaker 1: the last three seasons. We'll see they played David Frye
Speaker 1: in the corner outfield.
Speaker 2: Khalil Watson also in the corner outfield today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they have Stuart Fairchild, they've played in centerfield.
Speaker 1: This is the This is a few massive blows. Yes,
Speaker 1: despite not being world beaters on offense thus far themselves,
Speaker 1: in terms of Ramirez and the laughter especially, this lineup
Speaker 1: was succeeding basically on having a bunch of average plus
Speaker 1: bats and they just lost three of them.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's that's gonna be a real problem. And they're they're tied,
Speaker 1: or when I wrote this heading into today, they were tied.
Speaker 1: I wrote the ta for this. They're tied with the
Speaker 1: White Sox for the division. Like, are the White Socks
Speaker 1: gonna win this division?
Speaker 3: Let's see, what are the what are the odds? I'm
Speaker 3: sure they, I'm sure are We're still favoring Cleveland. But
Speaker 3: let's see, we're favoring Cleveland. We give Cleveland a two
Speaker 3: and three chance of winning the division. I'm sure that's
Speaker 3: some of that's Pakoda residual for the White Sox being
Speaker 3: you know started.
Speaker 1: It also depends. I mean, like we still have the
Speaker 1: Ameris getting sixty five percent of the remaining plate appearances.
Speaker 1: That could drop depending on his recovery from Yeah it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think this could be a real,
Speaker 1: real blow.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But that said, like it's it's projecting to win
Speaker 3: eighty four games and win the division.
Speaker 1: That projection is more about not believing in the White
Speaker 1: and I don't know that I agree with. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I believe in the White Sox, but I
Speaker 1: might believe in them more than Pacoda does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think I think the fact I think.
Speaker 1: I do believe in them more than does Whether that's
Speaker 1: enough to win the division, I don't know. Man. Uh.
Speaker 3: More fun news, more fun news.
Speaker 1: Max Scherzer was scratched from his last start with back spasms.
Speaker 2: He's on the I l Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now he still thinks he can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he does.
Speaker 1: And maybe he can for a few starts.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, he did it last year. He missed a ton
Speaker 1: of time and then came back and look they he pitched, pached.
Speaker 1: He did help the team elsewhere in the AL Central,
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Blue Jays picked up Simon
Speaker 1: Woods Richardson, who backfilled in a bulk roll last time
Speaker 1: last game in place of Labor Torres back on the
Speaker 1: I l helped the Tigers win some games against the
Speaker 1: Rays and hurt again. I don't what is Is it
Speaker 1: the same injury we reaggravate.
Speaker 2: I just actually, I mean it's it's just a lost
Speaker 2: season for the Tigers at this point.
Speaker 1: Which is wild because again, the winner of this division
Speaker 1: is going to be around. Yeah do you think, uh
Speaker 1: didn't someone that one of their outfielders just got hurt again,
Speaker 1: right or once went sil Paris got got injured by
Speaker 1: a snapped.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like a resistance band.
Speaker 1: Resistance band? Yeah, does that Clark? I mean again, Torres
Speaker 1: is dealing with a left oblique string, which is the
Speaker 1: same injury. And lastly, we had a fascinating call up.
Speaker 1: Jared wrote about this for us this week in his
Speaker 1: column and he did a TA but Patrick, it's a
Speaker 1: Mariner's call up. Why don't you walk us through it?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Mariners called up Curtis Washington Junior, a twenty
Speaker 3: how old, say, twenty twenty six, twenty six year old
Speaker 3: outfielder in hi A. And it's just basically before the
Speaker 3: game on I think earlier in the day. That day,
Speaker 3: they discovered that Randy orrouss Arena had to go on
Speaker 3: the il the Rainiers were out of town despite being
Speaker 3: thirty miles away, so they went thirty miles in the
Speaker 3: other direction and went to hi A Everett. The problem
Speaker 3: is that in Everett they have basically two actual prospects,
Speaker 3: and calling them up would have forced them to add
Speaker 3: them to the forty, which means they would ad to
Speaker 3: take them off the forty, which means they would have
Speaker 3: exposed them to waivers. So they couldn't do that. So
Speaker 3: they had to basically pick up a guy who was
Speaker 3: hitting one ninety.
Speaker 1: In ninety four yea in Hia as a twenty six
Speaker 1: year old.
Speaker 3: Tragically, both games that he was around for they were
Speaker 3: close games, and so he was unable to get into
Speaker 3: the game, and so he will be a phantom player
Speaker 3: probably for the rest of us of his life.
Speaker 1: And then almost certainly, almost certainly it was such a bummer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's a major leaguer and that part
Speaker 1: is cool.
Speaker 3: Yep, he's gonna have to add an extra Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Is a bummer that he did not get in as
Speaker 1: like a pinch runner.
Speaker 3: When he explains it to people later, he'll have to
Speaker 3: add a couple more sentences to the end of the
Speaker 3: story that will make the story a little less cool.
Speaker 3: It would have been it would have been nice. It
Speaker 3: is an offensive replacement. You could just be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've played in the majors. That's right, you can't played
Speaker 3: in the majors. Yeah, he didn't play, but yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing is that, like this is the closest baseball
Speaker 3: gets to the emergency catcher or the emergency goalie goalie
Speaker 3: in hockey, and that is the greatest thing in sports. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's a shame that we can't have more and
Speaker 3: we can't have this happen. Oh well, and meanwhile, Julia
Speaker 3: already Gez left the game in the middle of the game.
Speaker 3: In the following game, and now the Mariners off offield.
Speaker 3: After that point, their outfield was Connor Joen left, Victor
Speaker 3: Roblaze and center and Rob reths Snyder and right.
Speaker 1: So after Laze get ready to run. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be but any replacement at this point will come from
Speaker 1: Triple A. I mean, look, he is still on the
Speaker 1: forty man. Yep, they haven't Washington. I assume as soon
Speaker 1: as they need a spot, he will be gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a cool story. It was almost a cool It
Speaker 1: could have been a cooler story. It would have been
Speaker 1: fun if it was a cooler story. But it's still
Speaker 1: I know he gets what two game checks, I guess something,
Speaker 1: and that takes us to our game.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, you're gonna play confidence intervals for once.
Speaker 3: I get to host this one because I bother him
Speaker 3: make it ahead of time. And what we're gonna do
Speaker 3: is just a reminder to the fans out there. I'm
Speaker 3: going to give Craig and Jeff a list of nine
Speaker 3: names for a given category. They have to avoid picking
Speaker 3: the one that did not qualify for that category. All right,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna add it to the chat and then read
Speaker 3: it out to the listeners. The first one we're gonna
Speaker 3: I decided to change things up a little this time.
Speaker 3: It's not like we usually do this over a statistical threshold.
Speaker 3: I decided to get a little more creative about it,
Speaker 3: so apologize. So for the first list, here are nine players,
Speaker 3: Eight of them played for the twenty twenty five Atlanta Braves.
Speaker 3: Players aren't Eddie Rosario, Jake Frayley, Luke Williams, Zach Pop,
Speaker 3: Hector Nears, Alexis Diaz, cal Quantrill, Dane Dunning, Sandy Leone. Okay,
Speaker 3: you may go first.
Speaker 1: Are you pasting it into the chat?
Speaker 3: I pasted it into your.
Speaker 1: Do it in the all right?
Speaker 3: Fine, I don't think. I don't think can the can
Speaker 3: the can our chat do images? I don't think it can.
Speaker 1: All right, here we go, all right, So Greg, can
Speaker 1: I can I ask you did in a situation like
Speaker 1: this and you're probably just not gonna answer, And that's fine.
Speaker 1: Like I remember many of these guys latching on to
Speaker 1: the Atlanta organization, is it at least when they were
Speaker 1: with Atlanta but didn't. But my point is like, are
Speaker 1: you just deceiving me in that? Like someone here signed
Speaker 1: with Atlanta but never showed up in a game.
Speaker 3: No, that seems no.
Speaker 1: No, Okay, that's fine, Okay.
Speaker 3: Everybody here got at least one better faced the guy
Speaker 3: the guy was never got signed.
Speaker 1: By Okay, Okay, I'm gonna say, Zach Pop.
Speaker 3: Wow, oh I was I completely that's who I thought,
Speaker 3: didn't I thought mine, Craig.
Speaker 1: I forgot how this game worked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's my fault. I have to eat it. That's my fault. Well,
Speaker 1: good job, it was basically what I did. Yeah that
Speaker 1: I was trying to pick the guy like a more Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, good job by me, all right, good job
Speaker 1: by you. Okay, all right, I enjoy your win, Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: I was fine. I was I was ready.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of people, did get a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of sleep, and I was in trouble,
Speaker 1: in trouble. I've been in trouble this time.
Speaker 3: Next category, jeff you go first. These are players who
Speaker 3: got at least one vote for American League MVP in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. The names are Eddie Razarium, David Fletcher, Lewis,
Speaker 3: Anthony ren Doone, Liam Hendricks, Tim Anderson, jaymer Candelario Young,
Speaker 3: Jen Rue, and Dallas Kikeel.
Speaker 2: I'm going right to Kyle Lewis.
Speaker 3: Kyle Lewis did get an MVP vote in twenty twenty, Greg.
Speaker 1: I, Tim Anderson, Tim Anderson did.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Uh, I am going to say.
Speaker 1: Now it gets yeah, I remembered this is like this
Speaker 1: or twenty twenty one was Tim Anderson's last good season,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, gonna sayn Jan.
Speaker 3: Rio, Yes he got four points.
Speaker 1: Jean Mark Candelario, jaymer Candelario was the whammy.
Speaker 2: I thought he was. That's why I wanted to stay
Speaker 2: because his good year was following.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah he did, he did. He didn't have a
Speaker 3: good year that year, but it was not.
Speaker 1: David Fletcher.
Speaker 3: David Fletcher vote he hit three nineteen three seventy six
Speaker 3: fo okay for two reference. Okay, all right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: once again.
Speaker 1: Enjoy your win, Jack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did say.
Speaker 2: The only way it wrong, Craig, So I am going
Speaker 2: to enjoy all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I meant the win of the entire I
Speaker 1: was the entire set.
Speaker 3: Some of these will be a little easier, though. There's
Speaker 3: third one. These are each players that played This one
Speaker 3: didn't format correctly, but whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah suh.
Speaker 3: These are all players who have played at least one
Speaker 3: inning of center field this season. Your your players are
Speaker 3: Tyler Freeman, Josh Lowe, Victor Mason Jr. Matt Shaw, Brandon Nemo,
Speaker 3: Willie Castro, Luke Rainley, Jake Frayley, and Joe Adell there's
Speaker 3: like two Rockies, two Rockies.
Speaker 1: And two Angels. What are you? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: What's your what's your game? I'm gonna say Matt Shaw.
Speaker 3: Matt Shaw did play centerfield.
Speaker 2: Yes, very weird choice to go to first, but sure
Speaker 2: no I knew he did. Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Victor Mason, the utility guy.
Speaker 3: Victor Mason Jr. Did play centerfield. Victor Mason played this year,
Speaker 3: which is weird, all right, Craig.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I don't. I don't fully know anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't feel confident in any of the rest of these.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Brandon Nemo has.
Speaker 3: Played one inning at center.
Speaker 2: We will take it like I feel like Tyler Freeman
Speaker 2: could be a trap.
Speaker 1: Many of these feel like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say josh Lo like he is a
Speaker 2: center fielder.
Speaker 1: So Josh Low did play summerfield. Yeah, not much, but
Speaker 1: he asked Craig, I am gonna say Tyler Freeman.
Speaker 3: Tyler Freeman is correct. He played center field, probably better
Speaker 3: than they played, right, just guessing it.
Speaker 2: I don't love the rest of these. I don't.
Speaker 1: It's like the odds are both in his favor and
Speaker 1: also not.
Speaker 2: All right, I will I will do it.
Speaker 3: So the.
Speaker 2: Rockies have too many center fielders, so Playaba Castro there
Speaker 2: like they just do. I don't like any of these,
Speaker 2: I will say. Jake Frayley, I didn't get about any
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: That's fair. Didn't Joe Adelle play center when he got
Speaker 3: the didn't.
Speaker 1: Thought was playing?
Speaker 2: I thought he did. But I also felt like I
Speaker 2: couldn't well enough enough in it that Patrick wouldn't make
Speaker 2: it the trap.
Speaker 1: So right, So there's that, there's that. Josh Lowe was
Speaker 1: already an answer. And you know that they're playing Mike
Speaker 1: Trout there.
Speaker 3: But they're not playing there every day.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, well but I'm just saying, but then Josh
Speaker 1: Lowe was playing there.
Speaker 3: Up all right? Next one, Okay, the spacing return back
Speaker 3: to normal. Jeff's up two to one. These are eight
Speaker 3: plus pitching wins in twenty twenty five. Your players are
Speaker 3: Jacob Mizrawski.
Speaker 2: No oh wins like wins picture Yeah, okay, they won
Speaker 2: just regular old wins.
Speaker 3: J regular wins. Jacob Ezrawski, Christopher Sanchez, Gavin Williams, Josey Soriano,
Speaker 3: Chris Sale, Kyle Harrison, Chase Burns, Michael Soroka, Bryce.
Speaker 2: Elder, we go to Gavin Williams.
Speaker 3: All right, gam Williams is correct.
Speaker 1: This feels like it has it has to be a trap.
Speaker 1: But he had to have Christopher Sanchez had.
Speaker 3: Sanchez has won eight games too. Yeah, h.
Speaker 2: I think Chase I didn't put I think there. I
Speaker 2: think Chase Burns just won his eighth against the Mets.
Speaker 1: He did, Yeah, this is twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, SoC twenty one sex. I apologize, I put
Speaker 3: the wrong number.
Speaker 6: Okay, well I was going sorry, okay, all right, uh
Speaker 6: I guess in that case, I'm gonna go with Bryce Elder.
Speaker 3: Bryce Elder is the whammy.
Speaker 2: Gets the correct.
Speaker 3: Well, he was good, Honestly, he's been pretty good in
Speaker 3: the Braves have won a lot of games. I know,
Speaker 3: I know strategy. Yeah, Bryce Elder is I think five
Speaker 3: and four despite this? All right, all right, so.
Speaker 1: Craig's on the ropes number five, buddies are I've been
Speaker 1: on the rope since the first words I spoke.
Speaker 3: This is gonna look weird on the dock, but it's
Speaker 3: very easily explained. Nine pictures. Eight of them have an
Speaker 3: above average strikeout, right, Okay, Dustin May Michael King, Sean Newcombe,
Speaker 3: Rookie Sasaki, Freddy Alta, Public, Chandler, Aaron Nola, Caval, Emerson Hancock.
Speaker 1: Boy, this is a set of names, so I'm going first.
Speaker 1: Sean Newcomb correct, we've.
Speaker 2: Been my first guest. Emerson Hancock, correct, boy, Yeah boy.
Speaker 2: It's k percentage too. It's like Chandler.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Dustin May
Speaker 1: because he's been good lately.
Speaker 3: Dustin one four ya it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't walk. I know, he gives up a lot
Speaker 2: of hits in Harmon. He doesn't walk anyone. He still
Speaker 2: gets strikeouts.
Speaker 1: Say Aaron Nola, Aaron Nola.
Speaker 2: I think it's like a one oh two close enough,
Speaker 2: good enough.
Speaker 3: Well, it's enough, Craig, You're left over with King, Sasaki, Paralta, Chandler,
Speaker 3: and Kovali.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, which.
Speaker 3: Is how I pronounced Aaron Sibla's name for him on its.
Speaker 1: Uh oh man. I'm gonna go with Kate Kavali. You're correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a where is it?
Speaker 3: I'm missing it, but it's yeah, one eleven. He's been
Speaker 3: doing quite well.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Rok.
Speaker 3: Roki is correct. Roki has a one of eight. Yeah,
Speaker 3: three players left it for Roki.
Speaker 1: It was the walks that were pushing me away, like
Speaker 1: an early season, but he has been Yeah, so okay,
Speaker 1: so I have Chandler King, Roky's walk maybe your rock
Speaker 1: rate is league average at this point at this point, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just the early early and like he really
Speaker 1: struggled to strike guys out early on. All right, uh, King,
Speaker 1: Peralta and Chandler, I'm going to go with Bubba Chandler.
Speaker 3: I hate that is correct. Bubba Chandler has like I
Speaker 3: think a one O three.
Speaker 2: I guess this is there is another way you should know.
Speaker 2: I should I've watched most of these Freddy Paralta starts,
Speaker 2: and he is still striking guys out and not working
Speaker 2: particularly deep into games. But like either of these are
Speaker 2: like a good whammy because they've both been like King's
Speaker 2: been pretty good. Yes, I will say Freddy.
Speaker 3: Peralta, congratulations, Jeff.
Speaker 1: Two King is I think I probably I might have
Speaker 1: said King honestly, but if.
Speaker 2: When he first came up, like I kind of want
Speaker 2: to avoid King here, I also wanted to avoid Peralta.
Speaker 1: They were the two I wanted to avoid.
Speaker 2: Chandler. Chandler the last three with old three for me,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to really. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Jeff is one, but let's see if he wins
Speaker 3: untainted without Craig's mistake. We got two more to go
Speaker 3: next one. These are nine players, eight of whom own
Speaker 3: a World Series, right, Sandy Leon, Brad Miller, Corey Lee,
Speaker 3: Jeff Mathis, Sean Newcombe, Andrew Chaffin, Johnny Venters, Ian Kinsler,
Speaker 3: Nori Aoki.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I feel most confident here that Sandy Leon was a
Speaker 2: backup catcher on one of those Red Sox winners.
Speaker 3: So all right, uh no, but no, I think.
Speaker 1: It's it's Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Is Atlanta?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on the twenty twenty one Atlanta team.
Speaker 3: No, I think he was on he was hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on, hold on which one was on? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I was twenty eighteen. Sorry, right, it was the Red Sox.
Speaker 3: It was the Red Sox, all right.
Speaker 2: Remember he had a home run at one of the
Speaker 2: games we went to during a safe sum so that
Speaker 2: it would have been around then.
Speaker 1: I have I have to tell you, like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: m I don't he was among the rest of these.
Speaker 3: He was also on the twenty twenty three Rangers.
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, sure, there you go.
Speaker 1: Candie Leon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I said I felt like he had multiple,
Speaker 1: but I didn't. I don't know if I would have
Speaker 1: gotten the right ones. Man. You know, Andrew Chafin has
Speaker 1: just pitched on a lot of teams mid season trades.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's got a chance to be up there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Andrew Chaffin's blended guessing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not touching Andrew Chaffin for that reason.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's true.
Speaker 2: He never pitched for like it was.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was always the team.
Speaker 3: That's like eight, you know, like the eighty five win team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, last one.
Speaker 3: We'll do the last category here. You know that Jeff's
Speaker 3: locked it up for good. Uh. There is a list
Speaker 3: of every single bobblehead that Kansas City Royals have ever supplied,
Speaker 3: ever given out. Eight of these players have been given
Speaker 3: bobbleheads in Kansas City Royals history. Uh. The players are
Speaker 3: Michael Massey, MJ. Melendez, Nicky Lopez, Patrick Mahomes, Danny Tartile, Jorgeselaire,
Speaker 3: Danny Duffy, Adelbert Mondesy, and Kendris Morales.
Speaker 2: God Craig, your first, crack.
Speaker 1: Yep, I get first crack wow. I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: You would and you should. He's absolutely in there.
Speaker 2: See there's two like I'm I'm pulled in two directions
Speaker 2: here and it's very fun. They're like, I want to
Speaker 2: say either Danny Tartile or Michael Massey. I think too likely.
Speaker 2: Also I will say Danny Tartile, Dan Turtles the way, Okay,
Speaker 2: fair enough, Yeah, I'm next.
Speaker 3: Micky Lopez has been had multiple multiple bobbleheads.
Speaker 2: Just said, Michael Massey. That's a very royal thing to do.
Speaker 3: It is a very royal thing to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, royals bobblehead.
Speaker 3: Yep, you can go look it up. Such a costs
Speaker 3: go with your collection.
Speaker 2: I do everyone.
Speaker 1: I do want just on this up. Thank you for
Speaker 1: the game, and I'm sorry for ruining it. I do
Speaker 1: want to know Jeffrey your your IMDb game seems you're
Speaker 1: getting very positive reviews.
Speaker 2: I will probably whip up another one for our special
Speaker 2: guest host next week.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: Even while we were recording the Jazz chiselm Singer is
Speaker 1: crazy but close enough.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to watch like twenty movies next week
Speaker 3: just to catch up to Jeff's references like, yeah.
Speaker 1: People are I think people like the idea. I liked
Speaker 1: the idea. I I will struggle every single time. And honestly, Patrick,
Speaker 1: you don't need to watch them because I will not
Speaker 1: watch them and I will not catch up to them.
Speaker 1: But people like that. Yeah, Jeff mentioned a guest host,
Speaker 1: I should note to people I will be out next
Speaker 1: week for both recordings. We will get a couple guest
Speaker 1: hosts in my chair, so it'll still be three people.
Speaker 1: You'll still get your games, you won't get me struggling,
Speaker 1: but you know, life will go on. Thank you to
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