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Speaker 1: It's daily beloved. We are gathered here today to get

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through this thing called but surely you can't be serious podcast.

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We are so excited today we are going to do

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two gigantic projects from nineteen eighty four. We are going

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to look at Princess Purple Rain movie versus the Footloose movie.

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Speaker 2: And then we're gonna look at the Footloose soundtrack and

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the Purple Rain Altum.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit tricky because we're going

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to try and stay distinct between all the projects.

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Speaker 2: In other words, we're gonna want to talk about the

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music really really bad. We're talking about the movies, but

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we are going to try our best to wait until

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it's album time to talk about the music. But since

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these movies are both so music centric, it's gonna be hard.

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It's gonna be hard, right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producer today is one of my best friends

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in the entire world, mister Chris Bauer.

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Speaker 2: Chris Bauer, thank you so much for subscribing through Patreon.

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We appreciate you and your wonderful idea is He's given

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us some stuff that I'm like, oh, we need to

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try to do that.

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Speaker 1: Still, the funniest guy I've ever met in my entire life.

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We used to call him Bomber in high school.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, Bomber, executive producer for the show, Bomber Bomber,

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Thanks buddy. So remember that this is the Summer of

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nineteen eighty four series, and as a reminder, these two

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albums were among the only five albums of the year

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to be a number one spot. Like we had, Thriller

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got knocked out of its place by Footloose the soundtrack,

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and then along came Huey Lewis and knocked it out,

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which we've covered just recently, which was then knocked out

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by Bruce Springsteen born in the USA, we compared to

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Huey Lewis, and then of course Bruce Springsteen was ultimately

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knocked out by Purple Rain. Now I've already done it,

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I've already started talking albums. But it's important to know

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that these albums wouldn't be the same without the movies.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. And before we go too far down the road, yeah,

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you mentioned all the number one albums of nineteen eighty four. Yes,

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Proper Rain took over in August and Reign Supreme through

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the end of the year. Yes, do you know the

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album that knocked it out of its number one spot? No?

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What was it? It was born in the USA by

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Bruce Springsteen.

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Speaker 2: Oh he made it comeback nice. Well, let's get into

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the movie, shall we Yes?

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Speaker 1: Kick off your Sunday shoes and.

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Speaker 2: Here we go. You could fly if you'd only cut loose.

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Speaker 1: Let's go footloose.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So our story on Footloose starts back in the

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nineteenth century.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, this is amazing.

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Speaker 2: So we have a unique circumstance. Here we are guys

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who are recording from Oklahoma and Elmore City was the

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inspiration for this movie Footloose.

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Speaker 1: Elmore City, Oklahoma is a small town. My son's high

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school football team has played Elmore City.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when I was when I first started in

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the DA's office, Elmore City is in Garvin County, which

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is where I was, so I was very familiar with

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Elmore City. It was one of the cities that I

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had and I didn't know until pretty far on in

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my career that, oh hey, Elmore City is the inspiration

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for the movie. Footloose. Had a girl who worked in

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the office, Chryl god Rest her soul. She was from

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Elmore City. And then another guy that I've brought up

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several times who's been my friend for years now, mister

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So Elmore City was founded back in eighteen ninety eight,

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and that is when they put the law into effect

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that there was no public dancing allowed in the city.

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It was religious based. You'd still hear talk back in

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the seventies of you know, if this is the Bible belt,

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Elmore City is the buckle, sure, right. And so in

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the late seventies, some high schoolers like who they were

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freshmen at the time, they started saying, hey, you know,

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we don't want to just have a banquet, We want

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to have a prom. But you couldn't have a prom

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because public dancing was outlawed, right right. And so what

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they did was they did like a lawyer would do,

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and they worked their way around the law. It was

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this moment in the city council that there was some

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magic that was worked. But I can tell you this.

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couldn't have public dancing. So what they said was, well,

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how about we have a private dance and the only

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way that they could do that was to go through

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the school. So the city council said, hey, if it's private,

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it's not against the law. Do what you want to do. So,

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unlike the movie where they had to go and fight

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the city council on this, what they had to do

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in real Elmore City was they had to fight the

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school board. The school board did not want to have

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a private dance. The religious feelings were still strong in

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the seventies and dancing could lead to you know, sex

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is lusty desires, absolutely right. So there were a couple

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of people, Mary Temple Lee whose dad was actually on

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the school board, and a guy named Leonard Coffee who

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still works down at the Rural Electric and Lindsay, which

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is a town near Elmore City. And another guy named

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Rex Kennedy. And the character Wren is a combination of

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Rex and Leonard. It's those two guys. That's fantastic, right,

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was on the school board, She's kind of that inspiration

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for the aerial character.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait, wait wait ahead. Rex and Leonard

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became Wren. Yes, because I was thinking to myself, I'm

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watching Footlosers. So I'm like, Wren, cool name. I never

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met any one in my life name.

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Speaker 2: Wren other than the partner of Stempy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's fantastic. Okay, Rex and Leonard keep going Okay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the information that I got from Arlen.

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All Right, So they actually started petitioning the school board

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a couple of years, like in like nineteen seventy eight,

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when they were freshmen. The way it works is the

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juniors were the ones that would host the prom for

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the seniors, but we wanted to be in by the

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time we are seniors. And so this is the story

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that Arln told me. His dad is a member of

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the school board. It's a five person school board.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so his dad is a member of the

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school board. And he says the first year that they

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came and petitioned, it was like unanimous, No, you cannot

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have a dance. They were not deterred. Next year they

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came back, okay, and it was like okay. One guy

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finally was like, okay, you know what, I don't care.

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is a five person board and the like the head,

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the guy who is Mary Temple's father. He doesn't vote

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unless he has to be there for a tiebreak. And

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so second year three to one, Yeah, no dance that year.

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you know what, I'm going to say that it's okay

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that they have a dance. And so Arlen has this

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wonderful story of his dad being one of the only

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two holdouts to say, heck no, I don't want to

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let him go dance. So they have a two to

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two matchup, right to have voted yes let him dance

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to have voted no. And who is the tiebreaker. It's

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Mary Temple's father, Raymond Temple Lee, and he says, let

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a boy. That's all right, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So there's a great news story that came out in

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nineteen eighty and that spawned so much interest that there

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ended up being a People magazine article. It was in

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se different magazines just this, Hey, this, you know, pick

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Town finally said let the kids dance, and so it

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made a lot of national news and that is what

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inspired our dear friend, mister mister Dean Pitchford to write

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a movie.

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Speaker 1: That is great story great story.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about Dean Pittford.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, so here's what I know about Dean Pittford.

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Dean Pittford is a guy who was born in Hawaii.

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You know, he was an actor, a singer, dancer. In

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nineteen seventy one, he was cast in a play called

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Godspell in New York City.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And so he goes to New York City and he

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starts to kind of rise in the rinks right there.

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Speaker 2: Yep. He actually got caught cast by Bob Fosse, who

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we've talked about before.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was cast as Pippen in the Broadway

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production of Pippen by Bob Fosse.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well this is the guy. He's been in

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tons of commercials, right, like mainstream commercials, yeah, like Doctor

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Pepper and emin M's and like laized potato chips McDonald's. Okay,

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So he was kind of the upcoming star, right.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he was in the singing McDonald's commercial

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with John.

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Speaker 1: Amos, that would be fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Mop in a bucket baby.

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Speaker 1: So he starts working with other songwriters and he gets

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invited to help sort of write these songs for this movie.

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Speaker 2: I'm on a lift.

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Speaker 1: That's his. So he writes three songs. He he and

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this other guy whose name I didn't write now, Michael guy.

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Speaker 2: His name is Michael Gore.

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songs for the movie Fame Now. One of them is

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called red Light, one of them is I Sing the

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Body Electric, and one of them is Fame, the song

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that everyone knows from Irene care Let's do it right here.

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and it won him a Golden Globe. So not bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yes together again for the first time. Not Logins and Mestina,

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just Kenny by himself and not Journey, but Steve Perry

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by himself, and they write a song called Don't Fight It,

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which ends up being a top twenty hit, also Grammy nominated,

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substitute for MTV. You know right, hey, you know he

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wrote a song for Melissa Manchester. People have kind of

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forgotten this one over. It's kind of been buried in

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the course of time, huh. But it was a big

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hitting's one I know very well. It's called you should

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hear how she talks about me? Yeah, for me, that's

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a little kid, top down turned up song.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. So he reads the story about Elmore City, Oklahoma

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and the People magazine. He goes down and he talks

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idea for a script. And so what Arlen told me

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inspired by this guy named Larry Kern. And Arlan said,

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Larry was just the nicest guy in the world, Like

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he wanted to take care of everybody, was looking out

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for everybody. Just the best guy. But he was somebody

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who was preaching against dancing from the pulpit, right like

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that every preacher in town was at that point. And

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he said, he said that his wife was even nicer

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than he was, like she would just love on every

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human being like it was her own child. They had

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this kid. It was kind of close to Arlen's age.

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and they would they called the pig Chip because they

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would feed Chip chocolate chip cookies. And Chip did fantastic

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in the four age and then poor missus Larry Kern

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cried her eyes out when the competition was over and

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Chip became picking.

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be real clear and real gentle about. These are salt

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of the earth people. I think the movie does a

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really good job of respectfully talking about these are solid

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like John Lythgow's character as a grown man, and I'm

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not you know, I certainly don't mind dancing, but as

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a grown man watching this, I'm like, he actually was

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really trying to do what he thought was best for

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these people. He wasn't like, he wasn't this mustache twirling villain.

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right and was moved by a very impactful moment in

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his life. So we can get into that here in

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a little bit. But it's important to note that, yes,

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this story was based on real people, and those real

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people were not bad people.

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Speaker 1: No, No, absolutely not. So.

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Jim Steinman, Sammy Hagar.

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Speaker 1: We have talked about nearly all of these guys.

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Speaker 2: I believe we have talked about every single one of them. Yes,

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maybe not Eric Carmon, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: One of these days when we talk about dirty dancing,

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his name's gonna come up, you know.

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Speaker 2: And that's an interesting point, you know. We when we

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originally talked about doing Footloose, we talked about comparing it

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to dirty Dancing because it's kind of the guy girl

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perspective on these two, you know, forbidden dance movies. But

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I really like the way that we fell out and

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landed on this versus purple ring.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

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Speaker 2: So he writes the script and the film lands with

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film director herb Ross. Now we talked about the fact

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that Dean Pitchford was a song and dance man. I

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mean he was singing and dancing and acting. Herb Ross

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also started off as a dancer turned choreographer turned Broadway

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director turned film directory. He directed a bunch of Neil

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Heaven had Steve Martin in it. He directed Max Dugan Returns,

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which we talked about.

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Speaker 1: Matthew brodricks first movie.

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with Footloose.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the deal with Herbert Ross. So he's

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directed Footloose. He's in charge, and he's getting it ready,

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and he's picking locations and he's involved in the casting

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and everything's happening. Well, he gets a call from Warren Batty,

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and Warren Batty says, hey, I like what you've done.

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set of Mermaid, he realizes that he's not really wanted

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to be the director. Warren Batty wants to direct the movie, okay,

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and so it's one of those where there's too many

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chiefs and you know, and he realizes that, man, this

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is not good. And in the meantime, Footloose hires a

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guy named Michael Semino. And when he comes on board,

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this is the guy who directed the Deer Hunter in

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Heaven's Gate. So, but he takes over, he starts to

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try to take it down a darker path, and he

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wants to change it all up, rewrite the entire script.

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so they let him go. Well, in the meantime, Herbert

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Ross leaves Mermaid Mermaid, not the Little Mermaid Mermaid right,

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different area, different area. Good, that's funny. So he calls

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being pitch for and he says, listen, I want to

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come back, and they're like, come on back.

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Speaker 2: Good timing. We just fire the other guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Herbert Ross comes back and takes over Footless. Right,

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let's flip over to the inspiration and the beginnings of

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Purple Rang.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, if you haven't caught our Sign of the

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Times episode, we do some history on Prince. Yeah, we're

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not going to go revisit that. If you want to

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hear it, go listen to that episode. It's pretty darn good,

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if I do say so myself. But I got to

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dive a little bit deeper. I read a couple of

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books on Prince. One called The Beautiful Ones, which I

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encourage everybody to take out, a guy who basically had

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no qualification to write a book that Prince handpicked to

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write a book. Unfortunately he picked him about three months

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before he passed away tragically. So that's an interesting one.

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It's called The Beautiful Ones. And then a book called

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What's Crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I read Let's Go Crazy. It's written by a

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guy named Elan Light. Yeah, and lots of inside information,

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lots of tidbits. If you're a Prince fan, you definitely

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want to pick this one up.

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Speaker 2: So in our old episode on Sign of the Times,

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I talked a little bit about Prince being inspired by

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getting to see James Brown on stage. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so I think his stepdad, I think took yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's three. There's like those three imprint moments

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that people have in their lives sometimes, and so first

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imprint moment for Prince is seeing his dad, Prince Rogers Nels,

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that was his stage name. See seeing his dad in

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a recording studio where it's got all these chairs and

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the lights are on him, and he's got these beautiful

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girls dancing behind him. That's inspiration point number one. Inspiration

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point number two is after his parents end up divorced

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and his mom remarries, his stepdad takes him to see

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James Brown. Is rumored that he actually got went to

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go and dance on stage a little bit, which is

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how he got to see stuff going on backstage with

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the again pretty girls. Right. And then this is a

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fascinating one for me. He and his father did not

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get along especially well, but he got along better with

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his dad than he did with his mom once they

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had been divorced, Okay, And so at some point he

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says to mom, Hey, I'm going to go live with dad.

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I can't handle stepdad anymore. I can't handle you anymore.

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I'm gonna go live with him. And so he's living

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with him, and at some point he says, they're having

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woodstock and I really want to go, and his dad says,

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I'll take it really yes, wow, And so it's you know,

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they but his dad. One of the things that you

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got to know about his dad is that he's hyper religious. Right.

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That was the big conflict between Prince's mom and his

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dad is that his mom wanted to go out and

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have a good time and party and do crazy stuff.

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She wanted to go crazy, and his dad wanted her

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to be there and taking care of things and not

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live in this wild, crazy lifestyle, and that led to

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their abusive relationship.

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying is he's a little bit like

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his mother, she's never satisfied, and he's a little bit

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like his father too bold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. That bomb nugga, Well that was

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what I was leading up to you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Sorry, I keep going.

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Speaker 2: And so he can still you know, Sorry, I lost

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my train. Sorry sorry, that's right. So his dad, being

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this ultra religious guy, they got to go to church

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on Sunday like, and the concerts over the weekend. So

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he's like no, and he's I'm only going to get

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to go to the last day. And so he's like,

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why is church taking so long today? You know it's

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long anyway, right, If you went to church in the sixties,

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seventies or eighties, you know that church went way longer

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than it ever should, right, And so it's taken an

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extra long time today. And then they have to go

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home and change clothes, and he's just you know, jumping

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up and down next to the car. But his dad

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takes him out there and he gets to see Jimmy

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Hendrix and Wowstone and third imprint moment of his life.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's fantastic Pool.

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Speaker 2: By the way, on the Jimmy Hendrix note, Jimmy hendricks

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most famous song the Purple One.

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Speaker 1: The Purple One, There You Go, which also appears in

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the end of I Want a New Drug. Yeah, flashback

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here you lose yep, yep. Okay. So junior high and

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high school come around for Prince. He grows up in

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Minneapolis and he forms his own band. This band is

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called Grand Central. Okay, Prince is out front, He's got

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this drummer behind him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: His name is Morse Day.

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Speaker 2: I've heard of that guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They were a cover band. Later on he changed

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up the band. They started doing original stuff. But yes,

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it's interesting to note Morris Day was the original drummer

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for Prince's very first band.

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Speaker 1: Like their high school band. Of course I could play

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drummer with Prince, and you know you could. Okay, let's

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give that Okay.

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Speaker 2: So he he obviously goes on We talked about this

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in our past episode. He gets himself a record deal,

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he makes sure that he's producing. He demonstrates that he's

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got the chops to play all the instruments and produce.

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And his first album doesn't really do that great right.

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But one of the singles off of that first album

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is Soft and Wet.

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Speaker 1: Yes, which he releases on his twentieth birthday.

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Speaker 2: So that song made an imprint for a couple of

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other folks. One of them's name is Wendy Melbourne, Whndy

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was thirteen. She said, I can remember the day I'm thirteen.

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I'm underage in this dance club in La and i

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hear this song Soft and Wet start playing and I'm like,

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oh my gosh, and I run over to the DJ

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and I'm like, who is this girl? Who is this girl?

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She's like that moment is a vivid memory for me,

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and I became a huge Prince fan. This is long,

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long before they ever meet, but that seed is planted

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and impactful in her life. The other person that had

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imprinted was Susan Rogers, who was also She was in

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West Hollywood. She's on a bus and she hears this

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boombox coming from the back seeing some kid in the

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back of the bus as his boombox playing soft and wet,

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and she's like, I got to know more about who

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this guy is. And of course she goes on to

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be the producer of a huge body of his work. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We talked about her in our Sign of the Times

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episode Yep. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the other thing about that first album though, is

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it was a part of a three record deal that

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he had signed right right, and they had given him

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one hundred and eighty thousand dollars to record those first

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three albums and he spent one hundred and seventy of

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it on the first album. Oh yeah, and so he's

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not doing too well. You know. It wasn't as big

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as success. Even though it influenced those girls, it wasn't

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a big success for him. His management gets bought out

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by these guys named Bob Cavallo and Joe Ruffalo by

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it out for fifty thousand dollars. Cavallo and Ruffalo managed

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Earthwind and Fire and Ray Parker Junior, who came up

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last episode if you'll remember, Yep. And one of the

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guys that had working for him was a guy named

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Steve Farknoley and he was just an employee at the time,

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but he had worked with Sly and the Family Stone,

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which Prince was a huge fan of, and so they

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hit it off, and so Steve Fagnoli became like Prince's

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day to day business manager and eventually became partners with

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Cavallo and Ruffalo. So this is early eighties by this time,

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and we've almost reached a pinnacle point and that is

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the album nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so most people were familiar with nineteen ninety nine.

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He had had some success off of Dirty Month and Controversy,

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but nineteen ninety nine is really where he came into

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the mainstream, right, right, So he had the big hit

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nineteen ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe like when it first got when it first

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came out, right, it didn't really do that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's crazy. And then he puts out Little Red

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Corvette and that blows up. Little Red Corvette blows up.

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Speaker 2: And so they re released nineteen ninety nine and that's.

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Speaker 1: When then that blows up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember sitting like riding my school bus to like

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the yellow bus to school. I'll the short wind, the

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long one right into school, hearing the song nineteen ninety

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nine and going Wow. In the year two thousand, I'll

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be you know, twenty seven, and.

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Speaker 2: I think I've talked about it before, but I remember

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very vividly seeing the video for Little Red Corvette. The

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first time. It was when we were driving out to

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California in nineteen eighty three. Yeah, yeah, to where I

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watched all the Booby movies. But on on the hotel

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stop along the way, the TV they had in the

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hotel had MTV turned it on. There was Prince singing

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Little Corvette, dancing his boots off over as Dickerson's guitar sower.

473
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he's had some success, yeah, but he's not

474
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,599
really like movie star material, right. But he comes to

475
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,880
the end of this three record deal and he goes

476
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,839
to Bob Cavallo and he says, I want you to

477
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,119
get me into a movie.

478
00:25:16,279 --> 00:25:19,519
Speaker 2: Right. Bob Cavalla is like, we've made you, like we're

479
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,920
a big part of why you are successful in nineteen

480
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,119
ninety nine, and now you're going to give us ultimatums

481
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,279
like I've got to get you in a movie. Yeah yeah,

482
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:29,359
And he's like, yeah, not sign another deal until you

483
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,559
get me a movie. He's like, I don't want to

484
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,680
be one of your you know, mafia kind of deals.

485
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,799
He's like mafia. Listen, man, I owned a nightclub. I

486
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:37,359
went to Georgetown University.

487
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not mafia. I read an article where Matt Fink,

488
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,920
doctor Fink, the keyboardist, is like talking to Prince saying,

489
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,799
are you sure we're big enough to do this?

490
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:48,319
Speaker 2: They're not.

491
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: They're not, they are not.

492
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at me back then it

493
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:56,799
doesn't make any sense other than Prince is Prince, and

494
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:59,519
he's just determined to do it. And so Prince had

495
00:25:59,519 --> 00:26:01,839
this little notebook that he would write in and I've

496
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,119
seen it in The Beautiful Ones. If you want to

497
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,880
go check out that book, you can look at every

498
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,640
single notebook page where Prince has written out the story

499
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,400
of Purple Rain. So here's the first lines that he writes,

500
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:17,319
this is the story of the dreams and aspirations of

501
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,000
three individuals. And then he goes on to introduce Morse, Day,

502
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,359
Vanity and the kid. Yeah, you read the story, and

503
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,160
he's got the story mapped out. Now it is darker.

504
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,160
His story is darker. And one of the fantastic parts

505
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,559
about the darkness of the story is his parents are

506
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,240
already dead in a murder suicide, right, yes, and so

507
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,960
he will have these flashbacks to the fights that his

508
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,599
parents were having, and in his flashbacks, he is the

509
00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:47,920
person playing the part of the father and the mother,

510
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,119
Like he sees himself as father and he sees himself

511
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,480
as mother. And yes, go ahead.

512
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,799
Speaker 1: So maybe he's just like his father, like two bold,

513
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:07,119
maybe he's just like his mother. She's never satisfied. Bob

514
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,960
Cavallo says, Okay, I'll see what I can do. Right,

515
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,359
So they bring in this guy named William Blynn. Yes,

516
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,519
he wrote for the TV show Fame. Yes, so both

517
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,759
of these movies have roots in Fame, correct, Yes, Okay,

518
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:21,720
all right, everybody, I just want to formally invite you

519
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:23,920
to come over and listen to our side project, the

520
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,720
podcast Bulletcrypt tonight with mister John Reid from the thirty

521
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,480
seventy movie podcast, and of course you.

522
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,799
Speaker 2: And me meanwhile at the Hull of Justice, we are

523
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:31,720
the super Friends.

524
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: That's right. We cover the TV show Superman and Lois.

525
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,839
We go over every episode. We have a great time,

526
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,400
and John knows so much about Superman. It's amazing.

527
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: If you love Superman, or even if you don't you

528
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,599
just want to learn more? Come check it out. And

529
00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:45,960
if you haven't watched Superman and Lois yet, you need

530
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440
to right now crawl out of your fortress of solitude

531
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:49,319
and turn the TV.

532
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: On podcast Bull of Cryptodne. So William Blynn says, Okay,

533
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,000
I'll meet with him. We'll talk about some stuff. So

534
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:58,359
he sits down with Prince. Prince didn't talk very much.

535
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,839
He's naturally a very shy person, which is strange when

536
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:01,319
you see him on.

537
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,839
Speaker 2: Stage and he's sizing you up. If I've learned anything

538
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,440
on these first meetings that he has with people, he's

539
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,079
sizing them.

540
00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: Up well, and he does stuff to intentionally piss.

541
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: You off and mess with you. Yes, for sure.

542
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,799
Speaker 1: So they tease out some stuff about the murder suicide

543
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,640
with his mom and dad. They just kind of get

544
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,519
an outline, and so William Blinn says, Okay, I'll go

545
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,319
away and I'll work on this. And he comes back.

546
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,759
So he keeps calling Prince saying, hey, I've got some

547
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,279
ideas we need to get together and write. And Prince

548
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,079
keeps like not just putting him off, but making appointments, canceling,

549
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,359
ghosting him, dodging him. So he finally gets him. He says, look,

550
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,039
we got to get together, and Prince says, okay, well

551
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:39,640
let's go see a movie. So he's like, fine, let's

552
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,160
go see a movie. So they go see a movie.

553
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,279
They sit down twenty minutes and Prince gets up and

554
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:48,519
walks out. So William Blinn is like, that's it. I'm out,

555
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680
I'm done. I'm done with this. Well, Prince calls him

556
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,200
later and he's like, well, what's the problem, you know,

557
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,200
and he's like, man, what are you talking about? I

558
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,920
can't work this way, and so Prince says, look, I'm sorry,

559
00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,400
basically talks him coming back, right. So William blank comes back.

560
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,880
He works on the screenplay and when he turns it

561
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,920
in it's called Dreams Dreams, Yeah, based on that first

562
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,160
sentence that he wrote on right.

563
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: So they've got the writer, but they don't have a director, right,

564
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,119
and Cavallo is like, he's got at least a little

565
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,680
bit of experience, and you know, he's done some movie

566
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,079
work in the past, but not much, right, But he

567
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,920
keeps sending it to director after director and they keep

568
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,319
turning him down and he's getting frustrated, and so he

569
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,359
ends up going to screen this movie of maybe a

570
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:35,079
potential director, and the movie is called Reckless. Yeah.

571
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: So he sits down to watch this movie, Reckless. It

572
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:40,279
has Aiden Quinn and Daryl Hannah. It's this kind of

573
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,440
James Dean type of film noir movie from the early eighties.

574
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: By the way, Daryl Hannah was one of the potential

575
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,160
aerial possibilities.

576
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:51,359
Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah, So he sits down to watch this movie.

577
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,240
He's the only one in the theater. He watches Reckless

578
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:56,119
just to take a break, gets up and as he's

579
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,559
walking out, this young guy comes up to him and says, well,

580
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,640
what do you think? And he's like, you know, I

581
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,559
mean it's okay. I mean it was you know, it

582
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,400
was edited well, I mean it was all right, you know,

583
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,759
and the kids like I did that. That was me.

584
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,680
I'm the editor, right right. So the kid's name is

585
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,480
Albert Magnoli. Right, So this guy is.

586
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,799
Speaker 2: Fresh out of US film school. Yeah, he had he

587
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,279
had done well, like he had, he had directed a

588
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,279
short film that actually won a student oscar whatever that is.

589
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,559
But he literally is wet behind the ears as far

590
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,240
as the film industry goes. This is his first experience

591
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,880
in film and he was the editor and the movie's

592
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:32,640
not that great.

593
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: Right, right, So Cavalli's talking to him, He's like, well

594
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:38,319
it was edited, well, it seems pretty impressive. How would

595
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:42,039
you like to be associated with Prince's most picture project? Yeah,

596
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:43,160
and he's like, fantastic.

597
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,039
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan.

598
00:30:44,359 --> 00:30:47,279
Speaker 1: I would love to be involved the director of Reckless.

599
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,759
He would love to direct and will edit and it'd

600
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:50,839
be fantastic.

601
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, Fully James Fully. James Fully was the director. By

602
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440
the way, side note written by Chris Columbus.

603
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: Get out.

604
00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: Nope, I'm serious, like it was. It came out just

605
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,920
before Grimlins, so it technically was Chris Columbus's first producer

606
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,680
wow script. But anyway, Yes, So James Foley, He's like,

607
00:31:06,759 --> 00:31:09,319
I'm excited to work with James Foley again. So he

608
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,160
calls up James Foley to go, hey, I've got this

609
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,079
guy who wants to put us on the Prince movie.

610
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:22,279
Speaker 1: And James Foley's like, who's Prince? Making a movie about

611
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,519
a guy where directors are saying who's Prince?

612
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: That tells you what's going on. I mean, James Foley'

613
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,400
is an old guy, right, He's been directing a lot

614
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,960
of movies that were much older than this. But he's like, okay,

615
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:35,880
let me just you know, let me get the script

616
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,240
for you and you can read it. And so he

617
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,279
gets the script, he sends it over to James Foley.

618
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,200
James Foley calls him back the next day. He's like,

619
00:31:43,319 --> 00:31:46,759
have you read this? This is terrible. I am not

620
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,920
going to make this movie.

621
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:48,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

622
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 2: So Albert Magnoli goes back and conveys this information to

623
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:55,920
Bob Cavallo, and Bob like throws a fett. He's like,

624
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,200
what the heck? You know what am I doing wrong?

625
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,599
I you know, it's just reject after rejection. Yeah, I

626
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,680
think I know what I'm doing. And he's like, well,

627
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,599
you know, I can take a look at it, and yeah,

628
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,519
how about me loongo bango? Yeah?

629
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Good for him.

630
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: And so he comes back and there's a couple it's

631
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,000
the story is varied here. But he's like, hey, you know,

632
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:21,960
i'll pay you seventy five thousand dollars to direct this movie.

633
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,960
And Albert Magnall's like nope. He's like, are you freaking kidding? Yeah,

634
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,160
He's like, are you serious right now? He's like, okay, well,

635
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,880
I'm not going to direct it the way that it's

636
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,000
written here's my idea, and he says, what the way

637
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,319
he puts it is, remember the end scene of The Godfather, Yeah,

638
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,240
and it's not really the end scene. It's a mid scene,

639
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,319
but the baptism scene for those Godfather fans out there,

640
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:47,960
where you're seeing Michael Corleone getting his child baptized, and

641
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,240
while all that's happening, hits are happening from person to person.

642
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,119
And he says, it's going to be that kind of

643
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,440
same like musical underlying thing, which, by the way, that

644
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:00,000
was what tied that scene together, Like Francis fort Gobbel

645
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:02,880
about to kick that scene, but the music, I was like,

646
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,079
why don't you put in like organ music over the

647
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,759
top of all of this, And that's what made this

648
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,000
scene such an impactful scene. And so he says, what

649
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,519
we're going to do for the intro to Purple Rain

650
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,920
is that same idea. We're starting with the song, and

651
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,200
the song is going on while we're introducing all of

652
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,359
our characters. In these shot by shot presentations, we see

653
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,880
Morris Day pimping up and getting ready to come out

654
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,000
of his house. We see Prince on stage lighting up

655
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,799
the crowd, and we see Apollonia coming out of the

656
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:37,599
taxi fresh into the city and sneaking carefully into the nightclub.

657
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:41,799
Speaker 1: She bails on the cab driver and races off to

658
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,240
go try to get in first out.

659
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he won't let her. He's like, She's like,

660
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:46,599
I have a meeting with the manager, and he's like,

661
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,200
the manager doesn't have meetings. You're fuller. Yeah, and she's like, oh.

662
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:52,160
And he gets distracted and she runs.

663
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,039
Speaker 1: A store bolts in beautiful and it's great.

664
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: It's a great and.

665
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:57,519
Speaker 1: That opening scene is fantastic. I mean, you're right. You

666
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,839
get introduced to all three characters, you know who they are,

667
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,200
you know what they're doing, and the song is phenomenal.

668
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:04,839
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but we can't get into it yet.

669
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:05,799
Speaker 1: Let's not talk about that.

670
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: Before all of this happens. Obviously, while they're still preparing,

671
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,280
they bring Albert Magnoli over to talk to Prince for

672
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,840
the first time. And as far as Prince knows, like

673
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,280
the idea is, this is a new director and so

674
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,840
he's not going to be any trouble and he's going

675
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,320
to shoot the script the way that the script is written.

676
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,199
And so when they sit down to dinner for the

677
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,400
very first time, Prince is like, so, what do you

678
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,440
think about the script? And Albert Magnoli's like, I hate it.

679
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,280
I don't want to shoot that movie. I would like

680
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,199
to shoot a different movie. And he's a very excited,

681
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,400
like animated guy, and he launches into what his story

682
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,559
idea is for the movie and goes through all of it,

683
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,639
and Prince is like, everybody leave and it's like, oh crap,

684
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,519
and so like everybody leaves and he's like, you come

685
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,760
with me and they get in the car and Prince

686
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,599
is driving silently with Magnoli in the car and he's

687
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:58,599
just like, what's going on here? And then they take

688
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,039
this exit like into this pitch black you know, middle

689
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,559
of the downtown. You know, who knows what's going on?

690
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:06,719
Prince Park's the car and he's like, what do you

691
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,159
know about me? And he's like what. He goes, what

692
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,760
have you learned about me? And he's like, I don't

693
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,679
know what you're talking about. He goes, listen, you just

694
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,400
told my life story in ten minutes, and I want

695
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,159
to know how you know it. And Alvin Mangulin was like,

696
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,119
it's just the story that I had. And that is

697
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:25,679
how he became the for sure director of this movie.

698
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: I thought you were getting ready to tell me that

699
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,920
he made him purify himself and the otters in lake Manattaka.

700
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,880
Probably that's a fantastic story. So I've got this funny

701
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,039
little nugget. This is so cringe worthy I can barely

702
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,000
get it out of my mouth.

703
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So when.

704
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,199
Speaker 1: The executives are getting together to discuss the production of

705
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,800
Purple Rain, there's this guy named Mark Kenton, who is

706
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,719
a Warner Brothers executive VP at the time, and he's

707
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,719
sitting in this meeting and he makes the comment that,

708
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,000
you know, I kind of can get behind this movie

709
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400
Purple Rain. I don't think Prince is big enough. How

710
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,079
about John Volta.

711
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, Yeah, they bail. They're like, this is

712
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,199
exactly why we didn't want to do this in Hollywood.

713
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,800
Knew this crap would happen. And he they bail, and

714
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,599
they call him back and be like, we're sorry, come back,

715
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:16,599
will will be good, we promise, and so, but it was.

716
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,639
It's something. It's interesting that at that point, despite the

717
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:22,360
fact that they had all kinds of odds against them,

718
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,599
I mean, not that famous yet, shooting in Minneapolis of

719
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:30,639
all places, no veteran actors in the winter. Yeah, no

720
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,679
veteran actors in the movie and a pretty thin script

721
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,440
and a brand new director. This movie should not have seen.

722
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: The light of day, and if it did see the

723
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,079
light of day, it should not have been a success.

724
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:43,679
Speaker 2: But it was.

725
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: Well it's because we all didn't realize who Prince was

726
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,599
until yeah, Purple Rain. Yeah, okay, So at this point,

727
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,079
let's plip back to Footloose and talk about casting.

728
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,599
Speaker 2: That's great, Okay.

729
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Before we do that, though, I wanted to make mention

730
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,000
Footloose was originally called cheek to cheek.

731
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds like an old forties like fred Astaire

732
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,760
gender rock cheek.

733
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, kick off your Sunday shoes. No, I don't think

734
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,960
so either, But I mean really that was just kind

735
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,880
of a working title until they came up with footloose

736
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,440
and fancy free, right, and then they just you know,

737
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:28,679
shortened it down to footloose and it's perfect.

738
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect. Yeah.

739
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,679
Speaker 1: So casting, okay, So they almost got Tom Cruise as

740
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Ray McCormick.

741
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,559
Speaker 2: And if you're forgetting that scene from Risky Business that

742
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,000
we all watched in nineteen eighty three where he dances

743
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,119
in his underwear, he might have been a phenomenal rent.

744
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: I think he could have been great. I mean, Tom Cruise,

745
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,760
one of the biggest movie stars of all died.

746
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 2: But he's almost too pretty for the partner right, and

747
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:54,159
you know who else was also pretty almost the guy too,

748
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,559
Rob Low, Rob Low. Rob Low pulled something like injured

749
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,119
himself and couldn't do the dances.

750
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: In his ACL so listen to this, So they bring

751
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,920
in Tom Cruise. He convinces them I can do this dancing,

752
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,000
which I'm not sure that Tom Cruise could do the dancing,

753
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,840
but you know, good enough, I guess. So Tom Cruise

754
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,199
was shooting all the right moves. He had bulked up

755
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,280
to play a football player, and there was some you know,

756
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,480
additional scenes that they had to shoot and stuff like

757
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,639
that and would have delayed production on Footloose. They only

758
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:24,760
had a small window of time, so even though they

759
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,559
wanted Tom Cruise, they couldn't really take the chance on

760
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,239
the movie not getting made at all. So they bring

761
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,119
in Rob Low and he shows off and looks good,

762
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:37,079
of course and hugely charismatic actor of our time. And

763
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,000
he hurts his ACL injures it where he can't dance,

764
00:38:40,039 --> 00:38:41,960
can't do it, So they carry him off and they're

765
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,559
like he's out right, So they start looking around. Christopher Adkins,

766
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,960
the guy from the Blue Lagoon, almost got the part,

767
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,800
and some say he did get the part, but he

768
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,679
showed up high on the set one day, and so

769
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,119
they said, I don't think that's a good idea. So

770
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:58,800
they're bouncing around on who to play Red. They go

771
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,320
to a screening of the movie Diner Right, which stars

772
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:02,960
Kevin Bacon.

773
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 2: Now, Kevin Bacon we've talked about before because like one

774
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:07,599
of the first things we wanted to do was do

775
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,440
the you know, six degrees of Kevin Bacon, because he's

776
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480
become that guy. But back in nineteen eighty three when

777
00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:16,800
they're putting this movie together, he really hadn't been in much.

778
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,920
He was in National Lampoon's Animal House, but that was

779
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,360
seventy eight, yeah, and so he hadn't done a whole

780
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,880
lot since then. In eighty he was in Friday the Thirteenth.

781
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gets a spear through the throat, right right.

782
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: He was doing some stage work, and in eighty two

783
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,639
he ended up winning an Obie Award for forty deuce

784
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,840
and was in a Broadway play called Slab Boys with

785
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,159
a couple of guys who were unknown at that time

786
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,760
as well, named Sean Penn and Val Kilmer. Wow, right,

787
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,480
that's pretty cool. And so he ends up from that

788
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:57,719
getting this part in Barry Levinson's Diner, and he's acting

789
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:03,719
with Steve Gutenberg, Daniel Stern, Tim Day, and Ellen Barkin.

790
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: So they go see the movie and they like him.

791
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

792
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,119
Speaker 1: They think he's got the right charisma, the good sort

793
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,639
of all Americans, sort of neutral, look what they're looking for, right,

794
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,800
And they're like, well, great, let's find out if he

795
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,920
can dance. So they call his agent and they say

796
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,519
can he dance?

797
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:18,559
Speaker 2: She says no.

798
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: She says no, what kind of agent are you?

799
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: You're supposed to get me jobs?

800
00:40:25,199 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: The answer is yes, whatever it is, it's yes. So

801
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,440
she says no, and they say, well, not even a little,

802
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,079
Like can we teach him? And they're like, no, he

803
00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,039
can't dance at all. So they're like, man, back to

804
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,679
the drawing board. So they're they're fretting and thinking and

805
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,760
looking around. I can't find w Rent. And Dean Pittford

806
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,559
has a conversation with somebody who's like, I just can't

807
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,599
find Rent. And the person says, independently without this knowledge, says, well,

808
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:48,800
have you thought about Kevin Macon and he says, well, yeah,

809
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,679
well we thought about it, but he can't dance. He's like,

810
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:51,880
what do you talk about? I was at a party

811
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,320
last night. He's dancing his rear rock the whole time,

812
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,519
and he's like, what are you kidding me? Yeah, So

813
00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:01,280
they go and they rekindle those conversations with Kevin Bacon. Yeah.

814
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: And the only problem is, at this point, Kevin Bacon

815
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,320
gets cast as the lead role in Christine the Stephen

816
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,000
King Car Movie, Car Movie. Yes, And so he gets

817
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320
this lead role and then they offer him a screen

818
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,559
test for Footloose. So the producers have to convince him

819
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,320
it's smarter to turn down this sure thing lead role

820
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:23,960
just to be in an audition for our maybe movie

821
00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:28,320
that's remarkable. Yeah, And so he does it and thirty

822
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,400
seconds into the audition they said, you're our guy. And

823
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:35,119
the only problem is one of the studio producers for Paramount,

824
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,800
Sherry Lansing, who is an She's an icon as far

825
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,920
as producers go, like first woman to do one hundred

826
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,639
thousand things in Hollywood. But she's like, he's not sexy.

827
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:46,239
I'm not putting him in this movie. And they're like

828
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,800
what we just convinced him to drop a sure thing

829
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,639
role he's our guy, and she's like, nope, not doing it.

830
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:56,079
Not sexy. So herb ross for like weeks has to

831
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:58,800
convince her that he's sexy, and so he does screen

832
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,639
test for screen tester s free test and finally she's.

833
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: Like, okay, fine, so the screen test, Okay, yeah, let's

834
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,719
talk about that for a second. I thought this was remarkable.

835
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,039
So they go and they get him some high fashion

836
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:12,360
nineteen eighty four clothing, they dress him up, they gave

837
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,360
him a fifteen hundred dollars haircut. Kevin Bacan's like, what, well,

838
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,800
what fifteen hundred bucks in nineteen eighty three, they get

839
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,280
the guy that's like haircut guy of the Stars, right,

840
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:24,320
and they want to make him look like Sting.

841
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: Sting.

842
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, flashback to our synchronousit the episode and they set

843
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,599
the screen test to beat it by Michael Jackson. So

844
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,599
he's dancing around with the Sting haircut with his high

845
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:38,639
fashion clothes and that's when they're like, okay, yeah, he's

846
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:41,559
it was he wearing a skinny tie probably, And here's

847
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,159
the deal. They had already agreed that if they don't

848
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,920
cast Kevin Bacon. We are not making this movie. Oh wow,

849
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:49,599
it was a do or die.

850
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,679
Speaker 2: That's awesome.

851
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,599
Speaker 1: Everything was on the line all in.

852
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,079
Speaker 2: So we've got our male lead. Now we need our engenoue, right,

853
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:58,840
we need our young Ariel.

854
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: Yes, so Lurie Singer is the person that ended up

855
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,159
getting the role. Madonna auditioned for this. Daryl Hannah was she.

856
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: In that Mermaid movie that you're talking about earlier?

857
00:43:08,039 --> 00:43:11,639
Speaker 1: Yes, it was not that Mermaid. She's in a different

858
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,480
Mermaid movie called Splash. Daryl Hannah almost got the part.

859
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,840
Jennifer Jason Lee almost got this part. Havelan Morris, if

860
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:22,159
you've ever seen sixteen Candles, Elizabeth McGovern, Melanie Griffith was interested,

861
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Michelle Pfeiffer was interested. Nice Jamie Lee, Curtis, Meg Tilley,

862
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:34,360
Heather locklear Brookshields, Diane Lane, Lori Laughlin, Phoebe Kates all considered.

863
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,039
Speaker 2: So Lurie Singer her dad was a conductor and she

864
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,599
was a musical prodigy. She debuted as a cellist with

865
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,039
the Oregon Symphony when she was thirteen years old, and

866
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:51,079
then got accepted to Juilliard, where she became, like her

867
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,280
the youngest graduate from Juilliard and then she decides, Hey,

868
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,760
I'm going to do some modeling, and the modeling turns

869
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,159
into getting cast in this TV series that we just

870
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,360
mentioned a couple times called Fame.

871
00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:05,639
Speaker 1: It all goes back to Fame.

872
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,519
Speaker 2: She plays the part of Julie Miller, who is a

873
00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:12,480
teenage dancer and cellist from nineteen eighty two to nineteen

874
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:15,639
eighty three, and that is what gets her in front

875
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:17,760
of them to be our aerial fantastic.

876
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,679
Speaker 1: Okay, you mentioned Sean Penn earlier. Yep, the part of

877
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,480
Willard goes to chris Pin Shawn Friend's brother.

878
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: Yep.

879
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: The funny thing about this he cannot dance, not at all,

880
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,800
not a lick, not a bit like Kevin Bacon was

881
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:35,079
said not to dance. He really can't dance like Kevin

882
00:44:35,079 --> 00:44:37,679
Bacon said that. He showed up to the dancing class

883
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:41,000
with a cigarette in one hand and a Pepsi in

884
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:45,239
the other, was trying to do the dances, and they're like,

885
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,800
could you put that out?

886
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,760
Speaker 2: She was seventeen, Wow.

887
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:54,199
Speaker 1: Seventeen, which, by the way, I think Kevin Bacon was

888
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,400
twenty four when he did this.

889
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:59,079
Speaker 2: Right, in seventy eight, he's playing a college kid and

890
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:02,119
in eighty four, or he's playing a high school The

891
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:05,519
fact that he couldn't dance was made a part of

892
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:09,039
the movie. That's great, and it's possibly the best part

893
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:12,119
of the movie. I mean, it's iconic that time that

894
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,800
they're training him, the montage scene where they're teaching him

895
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,760
how to dance. I mean, that's huge. That's a huge

896
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,599
part of the whole storyline.

897
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 1: And I think it's huge because for guys like me

898
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,280
who can't dance, Yeah, there's somebody in the movie that

899
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,400
I can relate to and be a part of and

900
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,119
take the ride with.

901
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: Yep. Okay, so we've got our male lead, we've got

902
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,760
our female lead, we've got our best friend, and now

903
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,159
we need our quotation Mark's villain. And so for that

904
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,679
part we have John Lithgow. Here's what I know about

905
00:45:42,679 --> 00:45:43,639
that part. Okay.

906
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: So Dean Pitchford went and saw this play on Broadway

907
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,280
called Beyond Therapy, Okay, and that starred John Lithgow and

908
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,159
Diane Weist, and Dean Pitchford loved their chemistry on stage together,

909
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,679
and he's like, I got a perfect thing. We'll get

910
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,840
both of those as the preacher and his wife.

911
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 2: Brilliant And I didn't realize what a stud John Lithgow is.

912
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,599
I mean beyond the fact that you know Harry and

913
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,760
the Henderson's and Third Rock from the Sun and yeah,

914
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:16,519
I mean all of those movies obviously. But he graduated

915
00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:21,360
from Harvard with an abe Macna Coomb Laudie what. He

916
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,239
got a full Bright scholarship and he had a chance

917
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,039
to go to the London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art.

918
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,119
From there he went to train in New York stage,

919
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,760
beginning a distinguished career on Broadway. In seventy three he

920
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,960
got his first Tony Award, and then in seventy nine

921
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,559
he was cast in one of his earliest screen roles,

922
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,960
All That Jazz by our friend Bob Fosse.

923
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:47,559
Speaker 1: Real quick on Diane Weist. Yes, she does a wonderful

924
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:52,320
job of being strong but sort of in the background,

925
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,119
supporting her husband, supporting her daughter and doing what's right.

926
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,920
Diane Weist flashback to Our Lost Boys episode Ye all

927
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,519
most unrecognizable Preacher's wife. Okay, one more quick, one I

928
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:05,199
want to talk about real quick before we move on.

929
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,880
Sarah Jessica Parker plays the part of Rusty. You met

930
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,920
a woman named Rusty? No, I haven't either okay, but

931
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,400
that part originally went to Tracy Nelson, who was her

932
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,440
co star on the show Square Pegs. Oh yeah, okay.

933
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,119
Apparently Tracy Nelson had some sort of family difficulties back home,

934
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,719
and when they got on set, they realized pretty quickly

935
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,840
she needs to be back home. They called Sarah Jessica

936
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Parker and she said, great, all right, let's flip back

937
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,320
to Purple Rain and talk about casting for Purple Rain.

938
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,519
Speaker 2: Right, So, the part of the kid was to be

939
00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,840
played by Prince now John Travolta, not John Travolta, you guys,

940
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,519
I'm going home. So and the part of Morris Day

941
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,000
they found it with the exact same name who happened

942
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:05,920
to know Prince, So that was lucky. Yep. Yes, And

943
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,760
then the part of Apollonia was supposed to be played

944
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:09,960
by Vanity.

945
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: Vanity was Princess's girlfriend at the time.

946
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:12,599
Speaker 2: Yep.

947
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: She had been involved in his rock group called Vanity six,

948
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,320
who had a couple of hits, and.

949
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,119
Speaker 2: We talked about her in a little bit of detail

950
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,079
on our Motley Cruz did do a good episode right

951
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,440
there's she plays a prominent part in Nicky Six's Heroin Diaries.

952
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,559
By the way didn't occur to me the whole time

953
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,000
that I read that book. They were engaged. Had she

954
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,679
married Nicky six, she would have become Vanity six.

955
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,679
Speaker 1: That would have been pretty cool.

956
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: That had been a little weird.

957
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So, like you said, the miraculous journey that Purple

958
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,079
Rain makes from paper to screen, it's really amazing because

959
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,599
you finally convinced a writer to come up for yep,

960
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,079
you finally convinced somebody to produce this thing. Prince is like,

961
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,760
I want to be a movie star, and they're like okay.

962
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,039
And then as soon as you get like the plane

963
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:59,079
is coming off the ground and we're actually going to

964
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:01,000
do this, the leading lady quits.

965
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. She and Prince were obviously having a fallen out,

966
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,079
which was a part of it. But she had had

967
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:09,039
acting experience, right, she had been in a few movies.

968
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,400
This is kind of this weird situation where this kind

969
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,840
of bit part player is the one with the most

970
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,679
experience of pety that they got that they've got there,

971
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,800
and so she was like, I need more money than

972
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,480
you guys are offering me, and they're like you're not

973
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:26,280
that good, right, And there's talk that she was supposed

974
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,159
to play Mary Magdalen in the Last Temptation of Christ,

975
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,880
which I mean, yes, if you're going to go work

976
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,440
with Martin Scorsese as opposed to the first time director

977
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,880
out of USC college. Yeah, yes, you would go do that,

978
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,800
but I think it was just kind of talks and

979
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,400
then that didn't happen. So yeah, so she missed out. Yes,

980
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:48,639
and let's not forget she was also drug out, little crazy.

981
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,880
Here's her quote regarding Prince in Purple Rain. Yeah, I

982
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,440
needed one person to love me, and he needed more.

983
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:55,840
So now they're on the look.

984
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,039
Speaker 1: For who's going to play the leading lady. Yeah, right,

985
00:49:58,199 --> 00:50:01,599
So they audition up to five hundred actresses. But this

986
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,079
includes people like Jennifer bils From who had done the

987
00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:07,679
movie Flash Dance, right Nia, people's Gina Gersham.

988
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 2: All of these people look very similar, dark hair, dark eyes, well,

989
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,000
Gina Gershon. Gina Gershon wasn't anything at that point either.

990
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: No, she's Meg Hut.

991
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. She still couldn't save Showgirls though, No.

992
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: She couldn't know, No, she could. So they auditioned this

993
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,159
girl named Patricia Kotero, who had been a La Rams cheerleader.

994
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd been in a couple of movies and again

995
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:34,639
bit Parts was married at the time, but was also

996
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,320
having a pretty interesting romance with our friend David Lee.

997
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,639
Speaker 1: Roth flashback to our Van Halen episodes.

998
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so she was bound and determined to become

999
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,800
a movie star. But for this part, unlike everyone else

1000
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,719
who showed up in you know, eighteen inch heels and

1001
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:56,039
skin tight leather, she showed up in jogging pants and no, mago.

1002
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't really understand that.

1003
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,599
Speaker 2: But okay, yeah, but they're like, okay, this is different

1004
00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:03,599
and looks good, and so let's have her meet Prince.

1005
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,679
Her parents are both immigrants from Mexico, so she's fluent

1006
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:08,440
in Spanish.

1007
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 1: So after her audition, Prince likes her and they fly

1008
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,119
her out to Minneapolis. Well, his bodyguard's name is Chick.

1009
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,239
He's a big guy. He's actually in purple rain. You

1010
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,079
can see him a couple times. And he goes to

1011
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,679
her and he says he likes her, like he really

1012
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,360
likes you, and she's like, wow, you really think, I mean,

1013
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,079
is this gonna happen? And he's like, well, he wants

1014
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:27,719
to take you out. So they go out and go

1015
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,239
dinner and dancing, and so they go to First Avenue

1016
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,679
uh huh. And when they get there, I guess who's there? Vanity? Yeah,

1017
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,239
She's like, oh crap, Vanity's here. What's gonna happen? Is

1018
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,599
she gonna freak out go crazy?

1019
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: And No just stood there glaring from the side.

1020
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: So Prince was wanting to see how she was going

1021
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,760
to react, probably messing with Vanity as well. After that

1022
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,679
night out, He's like, this is my girl. I can

1023
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,440
work with this girl.

1024
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Sidebar, sidebar. So she ends up seeking out Vanity to

1025
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,960
make friends with her, right, and they become friends and

1026
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,840
at some point they get together for lunch and Vanity

1027
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,480
is like, so, you know, are you doing any more movies?

1028
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,880
What have you got going on? And she's and Apollonia

1029
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,000
is like, oh yeah, I got the female part in

1030
00:52:09,039 --> 00:52:14,119
this movie called The Last Dragon. And Vanity's like, it's up.

1031
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,119
What walks over to the phone and she's like she

1032
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:20,360
could hear her screaming at somebody on the phone, comes back,

1033
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,199
sits down and as it turns out, she didn't have

1034
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,639
that part because Ny got it. Yeah.

1035
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: By the way, we should back up. Her name is Patricia.

1036
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,159
She would by Patty, Yeah, Patty Catero, not quite as

1037
00:52:32,199 --> 00:52:33,239
strong a stage name.

1038
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: As Apollonia, right, Apollonia again comes from Godfather. Godfather. Yeah,

1039
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,639
the pretty Italian bride that Michael Corleone had unfortunately gets

1040
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:42,119
blown up.

1041
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:46,199
Speaker 1: So he goes to Patty Yeah, and he's like, I

1042
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,840
see you more as a one name type of girl.

1043
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,119
So last name gone, We're just gonna call you Apollonia.

1044
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,440
She's like, whatever you say sounds good.

1045
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,079
Speaker 2: Sounds good. Let's do this. So Appollonia's six initially had

1046
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:03,880
this song that you might have heard of, called Manic Munda.

1047
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: Said it was just I can see that, you know,

1048
00:53:33,639 --> 00:53:35,280
I listened to it on the way here today.

1049
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: Yes, you listen to that version.

1050
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a demo, so it's not polished like it

1051
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:44,920
should be. But the Bengals is way better for sure,

1052
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:46,559
especially the bridge.

1053
00:53:46,280 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: In the middle. Well, she just did an interview last

1054
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,840
month and for the first time she came out and said,

1055
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,039
I helped Prince write the song Manic Monday. She's gotten

1056
00:54:14,039 --> 00:54:15,840
no writing credits, like, I never asked for it, never

1057
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,440
wanted it. He was going to do things, he was

1058
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,119
going to fix things. Just before he died. Who knows

1059
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,159
I've gotten you know, It's it's suspicious, to say the least.

1060
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:28,239
But it's interesting that in their interactions together she comes

1061
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,280
up with this and that Apolonia six records a version

1062
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,599
of it. But she also said she's the one that

1063
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,880
turned Prince onto Susannah Hoffs for the first time. Yeah,

1064
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,440
like she was a Susannah Hoffs fan, enjoyed her music.

1065
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,039
And of course when he sees Suzannah Hoffs like in

1066
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,840
the video, she's wearing like this made uniform or whatever,

1067
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,440
and he's like, oh, yeah, I can work. So that

1068
00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:51,599
was that was how he took that song and gave

1069
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,360
it to the Bangles. Oh yeah, there are a couple

1070
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,239
more casting things that we need to talk about. So

1071
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:02,000
the only actors that had acting experience in this movie Appollonia, Yes,

1072
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,960
and the mom and the Dad. Go ahead.

1073
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say Apolloni was in a TV

1074
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:08,559
show that I used to love as a kid that

1075
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,480
I barely remember. But it's based on Raiders of the

1076
00:55:11,559 --> 00:55:14,519
Lost Ark. It's called Tales of a Gold Monkey. Do

1077
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:15,320
you remember that show?

1078
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:21,199
Speaker 2: No, So mom is played by Olga Carlatos, who really

1079
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,559
hasn't been in much else but the dad. The dad

1080
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,159
is Clarence Williams the Third who just last week passed away. Tragic.

1081
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,519
But he was Link on the mod squad. He was

1082
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,360
the cool guy on the mod squad, Lincoln whatever, his

1083
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,480
last name was. Link. Yeah, he was just this just

1084
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,920
cool dude. And I gotta say his performance in this

1085
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:47,760
movie is Oscar worthy in my opinion. It's really he

1086
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:49,840
does such a good job with this movie.

1087
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:54,079
Speaker 1: He adds the depth and the emotion and the anger

1088
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,880
and the rage that this really the crux of the

1089
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,880
story depends on. Yeah, and the sea where he's slapping

1090
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,480
the mom around, which as a kid, of course, I

1091
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:05,760
saw it a thousand times because I watched the Wind

1092
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,400
Doves Cry video a billion times. Right, he's like slapping

1093
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,079
her around. Prince comes in and he shoves him to

1094
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,760
the floor. At the time, I remember thinking, man, he's

1095
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,679
really beating her up. You know, it's just very intense acting.

1096
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you can't actually beat the actors up. They

1097
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:21,960
don't like that.

1098
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's it for this week's episode, Purple Rain

1099
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:27,679
versus Footloose. Come back next week.

1100
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, be sure, right now, right now, you get your

1101
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:32,519
phone right in front of you. You lasted this long. If

1102
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1103
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1106
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: We only have three weeks left on our summer of

1107
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,039
eighty four after this week. Next week we're going to

1108
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,519
finish up the movie Comparison, and then we're going to

1109
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,360
go track by track through both of these albums. It's

1110
00:56:52,360 --> 00:57:06,519
going to be fantastic, yeah.

1111
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: Man, joles

1112
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Speaker 1: Jo