Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'm looking in the green room and it looks like
Speaker 2: somebody just got from a workout and he's trying to
Speaker 2: get properly hydrated. So we will we will find out
Speaker 2: what the workout was like here as we got into
Speaker 2: the Friday free kick and I get to ask the
Speaker 2: first question. U uh, sir, so did you just get
Speaker 2: from a workout?
Speaker 3: That's funny, John, No, no, lookout.
Speaker 1: This morning many.
Speaker 3: We usually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, usually I do wake up at six and get
Speaker 4: a quick workout and for thirty minutes Monday through Friday.
Speaker 4: But today, first day of summer for the kids, and
Speaker 4: so I didn't have to wake up at six.
Speaker 3: So I said, a.
Speaker 2: Boy, that that is? That is fantastic. How How did
Speaker 2: that extra hour of sleep feel?
Speaker 3: Amazing?
Speaker 4: It's amazing, especially since I'm dealing with a little congestion.
Speaker 4: It's frigging forty five degrees out on the first day
Speaker 4: of summer, like hextall.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, legitimately, I see that you're dressed
Speaker 2: for the first day of summer weather.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just got to I mean, for me,
Speaker 1: it drives.
Speaker 2: My sinuses crazy because of hot cold, hot cold hot
Speaker 2: cold hot cold. But no, I legitimately, you look like
Speaker 2: you've been through the ringer already this morning.
Speaker 3: Uh No, it hasn't been too bad.
Speaker 2: But there are a couple of things that I did
Speaker 2: want to to discuss this morning, obviously, when it comes
Speaker 2: to athlete frustrations and things like that involving at land United.
Speaker 2: Without specifically addressing at Landing United, you know you can
Speaker 2: if you wish, But.
Speaker 1: When it comes to.
Speaker 2: A run of bad form, and I'll just go with
Speaker 2: your with your career as the the reference point here.
Speaker 1: What is it like?
Speaker 2: What was it like for you professionally when you were
Speaker 2: with clubs that were in runs of bad form? Because
Speaker 2: I know that your clubs were never in bad form
Speaker 2: when when you were playing with them, everything was championships
Speaker 2: and lifting trophies and everything every single year. When you
Speaker 2: have runs of bad form, how do you snap out
Speaker 2: of that mentally and physically?
Speaker 1: And how difficult is that? Quicksand to get out of.
Speaker 4: It's very difficult, and it's very difficult if you don't
Speaker 4: get out of it quickly. And really the only I mean,
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that because twenty seventeen we had a
Speaker 4: stretch of I don't know, it was middle of the season,
Speaker 4: there was probably it was probably eight ten games where
Speaker 4: we didn't win, So that was that was a tough stretch.
Speaker 4: And then one year in Columbus, after we made the
Speaker 4: MLS Cup, the next year we didn't even make the playoffs.
Speaker 4: It was the only year I didn't make the playoffs
Speaker 4: with a team, and we just never got out of it.
Speaker 4: The whole season we kept thinking, you know, it'll turn,
Speaker 4: it'll turn, an elternal turn, and it never turned. And
Speaker 4: to this day, I don't really know why, because we
Speaker 4: had a good team and sometimes it.
Speaker 3: Just doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why for sure, but I do
Speaker 4: know that definitely the quicker you get out of it.
Speaker 3: The better. And in news moments.
Speaker 4: You have to go from okay, as long as we're
Speaker 4: still happy about the performance, we're still getting better too.
Speaker 4: I don't care about the performance. Get three points one
Speaker 4: zero on an own goal where we don't have a
Speaker 4: shot on net, it's fine, take it, because honestly, that
Speaker 4: changes things in the locker room, in the training ground.
Speaker 3: I guarantee there's.
Speaker 4: A lot of guys right now that are like go
Speaker 4: back to the training ground. Everybody's in a bad mood
Speaker 4: like then, it's like, you know, am I allowed to smile?
Speaker 4: Am I allowed to have a good time? Am I
Speaker 4: allowed to laugh at training? When we're going through a
Speaker 4: tough time, right, I don't want to look like I'm
Speaker 4: enjoying it and happy. But at the same time, if
Speaker 4: you're not, you're less likely to get out of it.
Speaker 4: So it's really really challenging dynamic. And yeah, they need
Speaker 4: to put a couple of wins.
Speaker 2: And I mean, obviously doing it against tough competition that's
Speaker 2: ahead of you and the table would be ways to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: But you mentioned that.
Speaker 2: Cycle of you know, you're playing the game that you love,
Speaker 2: you're having a tough time in it. But you would
Speaker 2: think that if you come at it with a positive attitude,
Speaker 2: or as positive an attitude as you can muster when
Speaker 2: you go on to the training ground, that that would
Speaker 2: be that first step in trying to turn things around.
Speaker 2: But then you don't want to You don't want to
Speaker 2: come across, you know, looking like a you know, looking
Speaker 2: like a Richard out there. It's like what what why
Speaker 2: do you laughing at? You know, well, you know one
Speaker 2: of those kinds of things. You're not taking it seriously.
Speaker 2: So it seems like it's a bit of a double
Speaker 2: edged sword where if you're not enjoying it, then you
Speaker 2: know maybe you should, you know, go count numbers or something,
Speaker 2: you know in an accountancy firm. But you want to
Speaker 2: enjoy it so you can push past all the negative crap.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it almost seems like a hillacious catch
Speaker 2: twenty two that you be in there having to deal
Speaker 2: with all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really tough, it is.
Speaker 4: And you know, when you're winning, things get just you know,
Speaker 4: slid under and you don't focus on them and it
Speaker 4: doesn't mean anything. You know, winning hides all and but
Speaker 4: when you're losing, it doesn't, right. So yeah, if you
Speaker 4: do mess up in a passing drill, if you do
Speaker 4: take three touches in a two touch game, if you do,
Speaker 4: you know, little things that really can irk guys and
Speaker 4: irk the coach like all of a sudden, now it's
Speaker 4: a big, bigger deal and where's your focus and you know,
Speaker 4: do you want to be here type stuff? And so yeah,
Speaker 4: it's it's tough, and I guarantee the environment's not great.
Speaker 3: They're at the training ground and.
Speaker 4: Because I've been in those been in those situations before,
Speaker 4: and it's not fun, and it's it's tough because you
Speaker 4: want to take it seriously and know that, hey, this
Speaker 4: is a dire situation as far as like, hey, are
Speaker 4: we going to have a decent season this year or not?
Speaker 4: And of course everybody wants to, but you can't let
Speaker 4: it get too out of hand.
Speaker 2: When it comes to your mentees and being in a rut,
Speaker 2: do they talk to you about being stuck in a
Speaker 2: rut of just bad form, negative play?
Speaker 1: Or did they talk to you about that kind of
Speaker 1: a topic.
Speaker 4: Ever, Sometimes it's rare, honestly, you know, definitely, I've we've had.
Speaker 3: Some mentees come and.
Speaker 4: They've been through a little bit of a tough patch,
Speaker 4: or they've gotten out or they're back in it or
Speaker 4: something like that. But I don't know if I've spoke
Speaker 4: to a mente that's currently in a super long rough patch.
Speaker 3: Other than somebody.
Speaker 2: That's because the reason I ask is the generational differences
Speaker 2: when it comes to addressing bad form, because with adults,
Speaker 2: you're getting paid and you're being a professional athlete and
Speaker 2: you might be dealing with it one way. I didn't
Speaker 2: know that if the generational element of it, where you're
Speaker 2: in high school or what have you because you're not
Speaker 2: to that stage yet and because of peer pressure and
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. Is it administered different lead, do
Speaker 2: they look at it differently? Is their approach different? That's
Speaker 2: why I was asking the question. I didn't know if
Speaker 2: the current generation of the younger student athlete had to
Speaker 2: or was looking at it differently than the than the
Speaker 2: professional athlete was, or if there's still if that pressure
Speaker 2: of the quicksand is still with them when you have
Speaker 2: those those conversations.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that I think the pressure is
Speaker 4: stronger for the professionals at that stage because I think
Speaker 4: we talked about it last time, like the crowd is
Speaker 4: challenging sometimes, and you know, there's people watching, and there's
Speaker 4: stuff on social media, and there's articles and all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And obviously there will be a lot this weekend with
Speaker 4: it being the national televised game on Sunday, so they're
Speaker 4: going to be front and center. So I think it's
Speaker 4: it's more challenging for the professionals in this regard.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but it's it's still so.
Speaker 2: And I mean I know that peer pressure is one
Speaker 2: thing with one age group, and I know that peer
Speaker 2: pressure is probably another. So then let me let me
Speaker 2: ask this, what is peer pressure like as an adult
Speaker 2: and a professional athlete?
Speaker 1: What is that like for someone who doesn't know?
Speaker 2: Does it exist in the way that we think, does
Speaker 2: it come across differently? What what does peer pressure translate
Speaker 2: into as adults?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, I think that.
Speaker 4: There's peer pressure off the field here and there of
Speaker 4: you know, going out or what you want to do
Speaker 4: as a group, or how you act and things.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, I don't think it exists.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of situations where it would exist
Speaker 4: within the locker ro.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're going through if you're going through
Speaker 2: a bad patch or you're you know, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're the one going through a bad patch, or
Speaker 2: at least you feel subconsciously that you are and everyone
Speaker 2: else is succeeding, then you feel like you might have
Speaker 2: to dance a little faster to try to get out
Speaker 2: of a rut to join everybody else.
Speaker 1: It's like feeling like you're a step.
Speaker 2: Behind, you know, and you know, fomo that kind of
Speaker 2: the I'm trying to figure I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how it would picture itself in a professional locker room
Speaker 2: when it comes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you never want to be the one that's
Speaker 4: the cause of it right where, you know, especially in
Speaker 4: this run, and that's where it gets challenging because you're like, Okay,
Speaker 4: teams playing terrible, we can't win, Let me at least
Speaker 4: play well, let me at least show well, let me
Speaker 4: at least not make the mistake that costs us the game.
Speaker 4: And on one hand, yes, you need to focus on
Speaker 4: your individual battle and if eleven guys win, their individual
Speaker 4: battles are more.
Speaker 3: Likely to win the game.
Speaker 4: But if you have eleven guys out there that I
Speaker 4: just don't make the mistake that costs us the game,
Speaker 4: just don't be the guy that you know, then that's
Speaker 4: that's no buoyno either, because then we're not playing free
Speaker 4: and taking risks and things like that, and you play
Speaker 4: a little tighter. And that's definitely what we see. There's
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. I mean I see it, you
Speaker 4: know when I watch the games, and it's not singular
Speaker 4: to Atlanta and not it. It's any team that you know,
Speaker 4: you go watch teams that are fighting relegation, right, It's
Speaker 4: it's tough, right, you don't want to be the cause
Speaker 4: of it, and so yeah, there's peer pressure there as
Speaker 4: far as like, hey, I need to do my job
Speaker 4: better so I'm not costing the team. Right, There's nothing
Speaker 4: worse than you know, guys working their butts off for
Speaker 4: ninety minutes, putting, extending all this energy all the lead
Speaker 4: up to the whole week, and then you're the guy
Speaker 4: that makes a mistake in the ninetieth minute and you lose.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, I mean that's right.
Speaker 2: You look at the team like lag right now and
Speaker 2: they're finding ways to lose, and you know, the game
Speaker 2: it's Sporting Kansas City. You know, with the conversation we've
Speaker 2: already been having this morning, it's like no shots on
Speaker 2: target for Sporting Kansas City ends up going off of
Speaker 2: Yamane's back and goes into the net, and the black
Speaker 2: cloud continues, and you know, schlepp Rock seems to be
Speaker 2: playing the six or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know. I mean, it's it.
Speaker 2: Just seems like there are times where it gets so
Speaker 2: bad you can't get out of your own way, and
Speaker 2: short of like the Bull Durham meeting on the mound
Speaker 2: where you feel like you've got to sacrifice a lie chicken,
Speaker 2: you don't know how to get out of that quick scene,
Speaker 2: and that to me would that to me, it would
Speaker 2: be I can't even fathom that kind of pressure, both
Speaker 2: on yourself and then on a team when you have
Speaker 2: things going that wrong that consistently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: And when we went through it with Columbus, I think,
Speaker 4: you know, Greg Burholter was the coach at the time,
Speaker 4: and I think that you know, we went through like
Speaker 4: periods where it was like, okay, you know, train a
Speaker 4: little bit harder, Okay, train less, Okay, do more off
Speaker 4: the field things together as a group, and we were
Speaker 4: pretty close as a group.
Speaker 3: Just none of it seemed to work. And to this day,
Speaker 3: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: So, you know, there's not one specific thing Atlanta can
Speaker 4: do or La can do, and it's tough. I mean, shoot,
Speaker 4: we think things are bad for us in Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you bring up the Galaxy, it's even worse, you know.
Speaker 4: I guess you can say they're there without the best player.
Speaker 4: Maybe if he comes back, they can change things and
Speaker 4: it brings a different vibe. And maybe that's what Atlanta
Speaker 4: needs to do at the windows, change things up, mix
Speaker 4: things up. I don't know, but it's not it's not
Speaker 4: good when you know, your starting striker gets pulled in
Speaker 4: the away game. When I noticed that the first time
Speaker 4: wasn't in Philly. I think Philly scored. We went down
Speaker 4: and they subbed them out, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: Ooh, I mean and then he didn't start the next game.
Speaker 2: I mean, you try to figure out scheduled compression monitoring minutes,
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, so if I need him here, then
Speaker 2: how do I navigate this and all these things?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of things that I do not
Speaker 2: envy front offices and coaching staffs when you're trying to
Speaker 2: monitor these kinds of things, especially when scrutiny is as
Speaker 2: increased as it is, whether it's Montreal or Kansas City
Speaker 2: or Saint Louis or Los Angeles or Atlanta. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're you're put in an unenviable position of trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what's wrong, and if there are multiple things
Speaker 2: that are wrong, Okay, how do we mitigate the thing
Speaker 2: that we can fix first and then work on all
Speaker 2: the other things. It turns into this, It turns into
Speaker 2: the shopping list from hell and trying to figure out, okay,
Speaker 2: how do we stop a Okay, now that we've stopped A.
Speaker 1: Can we stop A and B? Then we've stopped A
Speaker 1: and B. Can we stop A, B and C.
Speaker 2: It's like it's it can be maddening if if you
Speaker 2: if you let it become maddening.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's it.
Speaker 2: I think that's where we are with some players in
Speaker 2: a lot of these different cities right now.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 4: It's tough to watch as a fan for sure, and
Speaker 4: it's it's tough for the players and stuff.
Speaker 3: For the organization.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of pressure and and you know, Dell
Speaker 4: says that there's not the pressure of pro rail right
Speaker 4: where you've got that and I've lived that before, and
Speaker 4: it's it's tough because at.
Speaker 3: That point you're thinking.
Speaker 4: It affects not not only myself and how I play
Speaker 4: next year and what level, but it literally affects jobs
Speaker 4: of people in the club who might lose their job
Speaker 4: because you know, we're gonna go down to lead and
Speaker 4: we're not gonna be able to afford to have the
Speaker 4: same staff. Right That's that's a different type of pressure
Speaker 4: for sure, and these guys don't have that, so yeah,
Speaker 4: one day that would be.
Speaker 2: Cool and so then too to Dell's previous point discussing
Speaker 2: what's going on at RIFC. Early on in the franchise history,
Speaker 2: it was draw draw, draw, draw, draw, And it was
Speaker 2: just one of those things where I think that patience
Speaker 2: was exhibited by the front office when it came to
Speaker 2: what Kano wanted to do and understanding the context of
Speaker 2: the situation. How hard is it to understand and be
Speaker 2: patient when you know that It's like, you know you
Speaker 2: can do better. You're looking from the outside, I mean
Speaker 2: you're looking at it from the Rhode Island perspective as
Speaker 2: part of the ownership group, and the advisory folks from
Speaker 2: the Atlanta United perspective. It's being a former player that
Speaker 2: has ties to the organization that you still love and.
Speaker 1: Have ties to.
Speaker 2: It's like, I just have this vision of you watching
Speaker 2: USL Championship games and responding one way, and at Landy
Speaker 2: United games and responding. It's like the level of patience
Speaker 2: you must have and not wanting to do certain things.
Speaker 2: I give you full credit, man, because I figure that
Speaker 2: there are times when you're sitting there driving yourself crazy
Speaker 2: that you need to do the whiplash thing, but you
Speaker 2: restrain and it ends up being better for it exhibiting
Speaker 2: that kind of patience that's got to be hard.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: But you know, I think in general I'm pretty patient
Speaker 4: and take the long term view on a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And for a Rhode Island it was easier. It was
Speaker 3: our first season.
Speaker 4: You kind of have a it's your first season, expectations
Speaker 4: aren't super high, right, we want to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3: But you know, I've gone.
Speaker 4: Through it, and I know how difficult it is, you know,
Speaker 4: to start a new team and start off on the
Speaker 4: right foot and do everything.
Speaker 3: It's difficult.
Speaker 4: So you know, I think the patience was definitely easier
Speaker 4: with Rhode ISLANDFC.
Speaker 3: Being at year one. For Atlanta it's tough.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's been a long time since they've
Speaker 4: been like really good, and you know, we've had some
Speaker 4: moments here and there and which has been great, but
Speaker 4: you know, I think the bar was just that's so high,
Speaker 4: and you know, the club does spend the finances needed
Speaker 4: to have success, so in the fans and it's just
Speaker 4: a different atmosphere. You know, when you've got thirty forty
Speaker 4: thousand people in the Benz, you know you expect something different,
Speaker 4: and so, you know, especially with the moves they made
Speaker 4: in the off season, so the patients wears thinner when
Speaker 4: it's Atlanta just because you've been around, and maybe that
Speaker 4: will be the case with Rhode Island as well.
Speaker 3: In the future.
Speaker 4: But yeah, try and have patients because I also know,
Speaker 4: like what it is like on the other side. You know, guys,
Speaker 4: You know, when I watch Atlanta and out of plays,
Speaker 4: I don't see guys that are giving up and they're
Speaker 4: not working hard. So it's not that which makes it,
Speaker 4: you know, more challenging because you can't just say, oh,
Speaker 4: the work hard or oh this guy doesn't care to
Speaker 4: be here.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I blame the grass surface in Nashville more than many,
Speaker 2: more than anything else. When it comes to your mentees,
Speaker 2: how many of them do you in the conversations that
Speaker 2: you have with them, how many of them do they
Speaker 2: admit to pressing in times of trouble. Do they sit
Speaker 2: there and sit there like, yeah, I think I'm doing
Speaker 2: I think I'm pushing too hard, or do they just
Speaker 2: sit there and understand that I feel like I need
Speaker 2: to do this regardless of the level that I'm pushing
Speaker 2: myself at whether it's detrimental or not. Do they push
Speaker 2: themselves too hard at times?
Speaker 3: Some do? Yes, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: It's just too many extra sessions and individual sessions and
Speaker 4: extra trainings, and it's just too much sometimes, yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: And sometimes you need to back off.
Speaker 4: And you know, we talk about everybody's different and you
Speaker 4: have to find out for your body when you need
Speaker 4: to back off. And sometimes that's physical and sometimes it's mental.
Speaker 4: And either way, taking time off is not going to
Speaker 4: set you back that much, right, taking a weekend off,
Speaker 4: taking a week off, taking two weeks off, is not
Speaker 4: going to make or break you as far as when
Speaker 4: you get back into it, especially you know, fitness wise,
Speaker 4: as long as you're staying up with that. Right, Sometimes
Speaker 4: we have to take a step back in order to
Speaker 4: take the next two steps forward.
Speaker 2: Do they understand that, though at first blush because I
Speaker 2: would imagine as driven as a lot of them are
Speaker 2: and wanting to get to whatever the next level is,
Speaker 2: I would anticipate that a lot of the time they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, I've.
Speaker 1: Got to do it. I've got to do it. I've
Speaker 1: got to do it.
Speaker 2: I've got to keep up with the joneses I've got
Speaker 2: to keep up with my buddy down the street who's
Speaker 2: doing better things. They do they understand the value of
Speaker 2: dialing it back? Or do you have to sit there?
Speaker 2: Do you and Greg have to sit there and go no,
Speaker 2: you don't understand you might be doing more harm to
Speaker 2: yourself than good if you don't how much hammering at
Speaker 2: that point?
Speaker 1: Do you have to do.
Speaker 3: A little bit?
Speaker 4: And then that's that's why I think it's valuable that
Speaker 4: they hear it from us to let them know, you know,
Speaker 4: whether the parent is advocating for it or not, at
Speaker 4: least you know, if they can hear it from us
Speaker 4: and let them know that, hey, it's it's okay to
Speaker 4: take this.
Speaker 3: It's okay to take this time for yourself. You need
Speaker 3: the rest.
Speaker 4: Rest is important, even professionals take rest.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: We hope that that, you know, makes a difference.
Speaker 4: But there are some I think that understandab but there's
Speaker 4: there's a good amount that that don't. And they think, hey,
Speaker 4: if I'm not keeping up with the Joneses and if
Speaker 4: I'm not out practicing everybody else right, And you've got
Speaker 4: that kind of you know, Kobe mentality, which is a
Speaker 4: great mentality, but you know that's not for everybody. Not
Speaker 4: everybody can work as hard as Kobe did.
Speaker 3: So there's a.
Speaker 4: Balance for sure. And like with everything, I say that
Speaker 4: word a lot and we always talk.
Speaker 2: So Katie Weaver in the discussions this morning, she has
Speaker 2: a lot of different things and that's the first half
Speaker 2: of it. Because she's a tennis player. She says, will
Speaker 2: to see in a team dynamic, You know, mentality drops
Speaker 2: if you have a couple of misses, an entire Atlanta
Speaker 2: team seemingly playing without confidence. You can't pretend to feel confident.
Speaker 2: Do you just have to focus on little individual moments.
Speaker 2: What mental gymnastics do you teach men tees to build confidence?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great and you're so right.
Speaker 4: I think that one player or two players can really
Speaker 4: change the whole dynamic of a group. Right If the
Speaker 4: group can go out there and score two or three goals,
Speaker 4: or an individual can really take it to the next
Speaker 4: level and bring a lot of people up with them, right,
Speaker 4: it can start to change things quickly because it just
Speaker 4: gives confidence in the group. Right now, the team has
Speaker 4: no confidence that one that can get a shutout and okay,
Speaker 4: all we need to do is get a out and
Speaker 4: at least tie zero zero, and they have no confidence
Speaker 4: that they can if they give up a goal, they
Speaker 4: can outscore the other team. And so if you have
Speaker 4: confidence in neither of those sides, like then you're just
Speaker 4: waiting for something bad to happen. But if you go
Speaker 4: out and you score two or three on Cincinnati in
Speaker 4: the first half, and Miguel or Latte or somebody has
Speaker 4: an amazing half, then all of a sudden, the team
Speaker 4: can get the belief and little guy and guys aren't
Speaker 4: afraid of every little pass and every little mistake. Right,
Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, we've got this cushion because you know somebody,
Speaker 4: somebody had that amazing half, and so yeah, it can
Speaker 4: change quickly with one or two guys really taking it
Speaker 4: upon themselves. But it's difficult, right for those couple of guys,
Speaker 4: especially when the whole group is playing without.
Speaker 2: A lot At MF Parker still on the Twitter, is
Speaker 2: at beg menoring on the two hundred and eighty character
Speaker 2: at Michael Parker's joining us after getting an extra hour
Speaker 2: of sleep, because it's that, because it's that a year
Speaker 2: to get the extra hour of sleep and sit there
Speaker 2: and go, you know what, I don't have to set
Speaker 2: my alarm to six thirty.
Speaker 1: It can be seven thirty.
Speaker 2: And I mean, I did not anticipate or intend for
Speaker 2: this visit this week to be as deep as it
Speaker 2: is getting when it comes to comes to topics.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 4: But you know, to Amelia's comment, though, you know, at
Speaker 4: some point you do start to wonder, right of like that,
Speaker 4: and that's the difference. You know, Dell said something earlier
Speaker 4: and we could see, I could see with a Rhode
Speaker 4: Island that the players never lost the confidence in Kanna
Speaker 4: the coach, and if that happens now.
Speaker 3: You've got a real problem.
Speaker 4: And so obviously I'm not around the team at all,
Speaker 4: so I have no no clue how the dynamic is.
Speaker 4: But if you start to see that the players don't
Speaker 4: have belief in the system, they don't have belief in
Speaker 4: the coach and all that stuff, then that's that's a
Speaker 4: recipe for not turning things around.
Speaker 2: How difficult is it to focus in a situation when
Speaker 2: you know you're being watched? And I mean that in
Speaker 2: the sense of you know, nobody's job is safe, whatever
Speaker 2: cliche you want to use. How difficult is it when
Speaker 2: you know you're being evaluated. You're being evaluated, probably more
Speaker 2: than you would otherwise, and that everyone above you is
Speaker 2: wanting to have things change on the field, and you
Speaker 2: try not to have it get to you, but you
Speaker 2: know that it's a part of the day to day
Speaker 2: because of where the situation currently is. That's another part
Speaker 2: of the difficult balance. I guess that we're staring at
Speaker 2: here trying not to let the people looking over your
Speaker 2: shoulder get to you as they're looking over your shoulder.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you know, and you know as athletes,
Speaker 4: we know that we're always being evaluated, right You can
Speaker 4: always get traded or you know, release at the end
Speaker 4: of the season or whatever, get a new contractor always
Speaker 4: fighting for new things and bigger things and stuff.
Speaker 3: So you know you're always being evaluated.
Speaker 4: But it's different when they come out and say that
Speaker 4: you're being evaluated, for sure. So that's that's when I
Speaker 4: think you need to look inward and say, Okay, maybe
Speaker 4: it's a terrible atmosphere training. I don't know if it is,
Speaker 4: but I'm going to bring what I can bring. I'm
Speaker 4: going to control what I can control, and I don't
Speaker 4: care about everybody else right now. I'm going to hold
Speaker 4: myself to my standard.
Speaker 3: Other guys can do as they please, and you know, I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to do what I need to do in order
Speaker 4: to play well. And you hope that everybody else is
Speaker 4: having that same attitude, or if they don't, then at
Speaker 4: least they're seeing you do it, then they'll.
Speaker 3: Do it as well.
Speaker 4: But younger players, they just need to look in themselves
Speaker 4: and say, hey, go out there. You know, somebody said
Speaker 4: it earlier, right, focus on your individual confidence and your
Speaker 4: individual game, you know, because that's all they can do.
Speaker 1: Don't wants to know what you're reading.
Speaker 4: I actually I'm actually not reading anything right now, and
Speaker 4: I need to get a new book.
Speaker 3: It's been a little bit. I don't know if anybody
Speaker 3: has any suggestions.
Speaker 2: That probably means that I should probably just write another
Speaker 2: one so I can send it.
Speaker 1: Have you?
Speaker 2: Have you and Greg thought about writing a book on
Speaker 2: mentoring as a part of the Beyond Goals umbrella and
Speaker 2: three dimensional approach.
Speaker 3: We thought It's been mentioned.
Speaker 4: It's also been mentioned like how could we tie it
Speaker 4: into a Landy and I at our time at Atlanti
Speaker 4: and I? But then that's going back a long way,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I don't know if I can even
Speaker 4: remember everything all the details. And I mean, I'm just
Speaker 4: assuming it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3: You would know better than I would.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there are times when the when the
Speaker 2: project flows and it doesn't feel like it's a lot
Speaker 2: of work.
Speaker 1: But it is like putting a jigsaw puzzle together.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you are, but putting like the
Speaker 2: five hundred piece jigsaw puzzle together that has like the
Speaker 2: the Dutch bridge and the and the you know, the
Speaker 2: cottages and everything on the side of the Danube or whatever.
Speaker 2: How are you at jigsaw puzzles? Okay, so then you
Speaker 2: probably would have fun putting a piece in a book together,
Speaker 2: because it is a gigantic jigsaw puzzle, just saying, just
Speaker 2: just add to everything else that since you have zero
Speaker 2: time to begin with, considering that you're mentoring, you're a mogul,
Speaker 2: you're a dad, you're trying to play golf, you're sleeping
Speaker 2: that extra hour, uh, trying to juggle all of these
Speaker 2: different things. But it is a it is a jigsaw puzzle.
Speaker 2: What's the latest with beyond goals?
Speaker 4: We finally are getting our third mentors up and running,
Speaker 4: so we will assume what is a her. Okay it is, yeah,
Speaker 4: and she's a current professional and uh so, yeah, excited
Speaker 4: to get her on board. So we've been just trying
Speaker 4: to get her out to speed, bring her on some
Speaker 4: sessions with us too, you know, show the ropes and
Speaker 4: trying to teach her some of the things that we've
Speaker 4: learned throughout our journey.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, that's that's been the main focus for
Speaker 3: us last.
Speaker 2: So then what you're saying is say the next time
Speaker 2: that you are on after this, or maybe you could
Speaker 2: break some news and introduce this new mentor on one
Speaker 2: of your Friday segments, Eh, like some news.
Speaker 4: We could possibly, we could possibly she wouldn't be on
Speaker 4: because she's gonna have training.
Speaker 2: She could she can do two things at once if
Speaker 2: she If she can, if she can be a mentor,
Speaker 2: you're trying to break news beyond goals.
Speaker 1: She can.
Speaker 2: She can have the selfie stick out, she could say,
Speaker 2: you have training is sit there and do all all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to talk to you.
Speaker 1: When's the next round of golf?
Speaker 3: Not this weekend?
Speaker 4: Headed to Indiana later today for a baseball tournament.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wish you, I wish you speed and good luck.
Speaker 2: Sir with the baseball turn as as always, my friend,
Speaker 2: great to see you. Thanks for putting up with all
Speaker 2: of our deep dives and conversations and topics and things
Speaker 2: like that. Uh, go lay down with lay down with deacon,
Speaker 2: because I'm sure the deacon hasn't moved in two.
Speaker 4: Weeks because the kids are home, she's not here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, where's my treat? Basically, that's how this works.
Speaker 2: I know how this is all right, Well, my friend
Speaker 2: will see you soon