WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.679 --> 00:00:07.240 This is the other side of midnight. 2 00:00:07.280 --> 00:00:09.279 They running a strange program, y'all. 3 00:00:09.240 --> 00:00:17.679 With Walter sterling Us. 4 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:23.480 Stealing Sacred. 5 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.719 Coming up, a woman has UFO sightings and et encounters 6 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.600 on a ranch in Colorado. Plus we're gonna have a 7 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:47.439 big interview with Colorado's Movefon director and ufologist expert Katie Page. 8 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:50.600 That's coming up, and you and I are going to 9 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:54.560 talk about the two most important cultural events of our lifetime. 10 00:00:55.759 --> 00:01:01.679 Sterling Point a series on Amazon Prime and Off Campus, 11 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:07.879 the series on Netflix. These are both remarkable studies, hyper 12 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:19.359 hyper magnified, accurate studies, documentaries of teen life today. Now, oh, 13 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.079 let's do this first. Let's talk to Silas. Silas, where 14 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:24.120 is the perfect hiding place for UFOs? 15 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:24.359 Hi? 16 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.959 Well, they don't got a large place where they can 17 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.920 navigate anywhere on the planet, and that's the ocean. And 18 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:38.719 if the if their ship or whatever is is symmetricals 19 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.760 around it would stand us pressures and we're not even 20 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:46.280 able to get down farther enough. You know, they it's 21 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:50.319 the perfect hiding place and it isn't believe they would 22 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:52.760 come here to kill us. I mean, if we if 23 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:55.719 we found a new civilization, we wouldn't kill them. We'd 24 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:59.959 try to, you know, interact with them or learn from them. 25 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:03.840 And if they're smart enough to get here, they're smart 26 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:05.959 enough to know you don't just wipe something out when 27 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:06.840 you find it, you. 28 00:02:06.799 --> 00:02:10.240 Know, unless you want our resources. 29 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:17.120 Yeah, well, intelligent ones would work with us. You know. 30 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.439 It's like with Putin going over. He could have been 31 00:02:19.599 --> 00:02:24.120 smart enough to work with the Ukrainians. Instead, like in 32 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:27.080 a hole, he's just wants to roll over him and 33 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.199 take him off. What you do, what he'd do in 34 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:29.639 three days? 35 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:29.879 Yeah? 36 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.639 Okay, Now, Silas, what do you think do you think 37 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:39.560 our phone systems have stopped working because of scirreless activity, 38 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:43.000 spurreless activities, or do you think it's a phone system accident, 39 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:44.080 which I do not think. 40 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:49.719 Well, I think you would dephoned. I was de banked. 41 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:53.800 I was de banked by two bank banked. I was 42 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.439 de banked by two banks, Silas, Chase and P and C. 43 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.240 They told me get my money out by a certain date. 44 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:06.520 And so is Donald Trump. Chase threw him out and exactly. 45 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.680 Yeah, Well, they've been able to study us. The people 46 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:12.759 will want to take us over, and have been able 47 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:17.199 to study us for years and remember when a big 48 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:20.120 balloon went over and mapped our whole state and was 49 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:24.800 never shot down, you know, Yeah, but Biden allowed it. Yes, 50 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.879 they know they you know, they've studied every aspect and 51 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.800 they've learned to battle us. We've got the biggest, strongest, 52 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:38.120 most powerful army with the best equipment. Yet our enemies 53 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:42.719 can fight us. They can invade us and make us 54 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:45.800 pay for the invaders that live here, you know. 55 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:48.199 All right, So, Silas, I have a gift for you. 56 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:55.360 Would you like your gift? Okay, Silas, it's the weekend. Congratulations, 57 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:58.560 it's Friday morning. I give you permission to stop worrying 58 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:02.759 about the UFOs are hidden about what that balloon did 59 00:04:02.800 --> 00:04:04.680 over the state of New Jersey. I want you to 60 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:06.599 let it go. And I'm going to give you two 61 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:08.360 television assignments. Are you ready? 62 00:04:09.680 --> 00:04:11.400 Okay, You're going. 63 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:15.400 To watch Off Campus on Netflix, and you're going to 64 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.279 watch Sterling Point on Amazon Prime. And on Monday or Tuesday, 65 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:24.040 preferably Tuesday, you will call this show and you will 66 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:27.600 say Walter, thank you, thank you for the gift you 67 00:04:27.639 --> 00:04:31.879 gave me. Eight hundred No, it's eight three three nine 68 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.319 six nine four four four seven, thank you very much 69 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:42.040 silas Walter Sterling with Eddie Dragon. Eddie, congratulations for being 70 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:43.439 on the other side of midnight. 71 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.639 Well, thank you, Walter, I appreciate being here and good 72 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.560 evening to all of Midnight misfie. 73 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:52.519 Are you on a speaker right now? Are you on 74 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:53.079 a speaker? 75 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.720 I'm I am not on a speaker. I'm a bluetoothing, 76 00:04:58.279 --> 00:05:01.399 not on a bluetooth, no bows microphone? 77 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.879 No, no, no, Why can't you just talk into a 78 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.920 phone or sure? Wait wait you're Are you on Opal? 79 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:12.000 I am on Apple? 80 00:05:12.120 --> 00:05:15.839 Yeah, oh, I apologize my mistake. You sound great. Now 81 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.720 listen do you think what do you think? What I think, 82 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:21.560 which is that we were unphoned. I was on the 83 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.439 air at four fifteen yesterday morning and I had five 84 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:28.600 lines full and boom, they all went off, and our 85 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:32.439 phone systems have never worked since. They didn't work this afternoon. 86 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.720 People are saying, well, it's Verizon. There's a problem with Verizon. 87 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:40.000 There's no Verizon does not have a twenty four hour problem. 88 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.120 It's it's a digital based system. It isn't a wire 89 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.879 has burned out. They did something, that's my opinion. 90 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.279 Generally they owned the bands or they own that signal 91 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:55.480 or you know, like radio stations, they have that signal 92 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.759 that's plugged in. It's the only way that that type 93 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.439 of thing can happen is if there's interference direct with 94 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:04.120 that tower, which is off of a type of repeater, 95 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:07.160 if you will, which I've actually seen happen. But they're 96 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:09.120 never down for that length of time. 97 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.480 It's insane. And they actually attacked your tower, didn't they. 98 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:16.759 Yeah that was a radio tower, very different, but yeah, 99 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.600 that was that's off permanently. By the way. When you 100 00:06:19.639 --> 00:06:23.240 speak the way I do about things, and maybe many 101 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:27.120 other people, they get deplatformed, if you will. I've been 102 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.920 banned from social media and all sorts of different places, 103 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:37.000 and that's short of it is Well, yeah, okay, Walter, 104 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:39.000 I wish I could be back. 105 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.480 I don't have any friends who are this as interesting 106 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:41.800 as you. 107 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:47.639 Oh well, you know when you're banned on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. 108 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:50.319 I mean I've been taking off of everything because, you know, 109 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.600 you start saying things that people think that are truthful, 110 00:06:54.079 --> 00:06:56.920 because they are truthful. The truth is still out there, Walter, 111 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.279 as your midnight Midnight misfits now, you know, And we're 112 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.160 going to delve into another one here this morning. 113 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.040 Are you in Utah? Are you in Utah? 114 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:08.040 I am in Utah. 115 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:10.199 Okay, So I'm going to shut up. You're going to 116 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.519 tell us exactly where you are, what you're looking at. 117 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:14.720 Take us there and I'll be quiet. 118 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:19.120 I'm about two miles from Utah Valley University, just recently 119 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:22.439 passed by the Skinwalker Ranch, which is what I'm gonna 120 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.920 address tonight. And we talked about it in the sense 121 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.639 of what is it, Why is there UFO phenomenon there? 122 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.839 Or is there five hundred and twelve acres right on 123 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.160 the edge of the Ute Reservation open fields, old ranch buildings, 124 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:40.639 And then the mace is just you know, sitting out 125 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:44.120 there on the horizon, and it's got a very dark reputation. 126 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:47.879 It's an ordinary patch of dirt really as you drive 127 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.319 right past it into maybe now the most haunted address 128 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:55.040 in all of America, Ladies and gentlemen, Midnight Misfits, Welcome 129 00:07:55.079 --> 00:08:01.360 to Skinwalker Ranch, Part UFO Hotspot, part ghost story, park, Government, 130 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.079 shadow mystery, and part I'll say at one of the 131 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:10.720 most effective businesses businesses in America at never quite answering 132 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:15.079 the question. Now. The name itself comes from real Navajo traditions. 133 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:19.480 The Skinwalker, which is this witch said to possess and 134 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.519 imitate animals. Right, it's a living, spiritual belief and it 135 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.879 deserves respect, of course. But what pop culture did with 136 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.079 it it turned it into a late night monster brand, 137 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.200 which we often talk about. But this legend, the one 138 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:36.279 that made Skinwalker Ranch a household name, that exploded back 139 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.759 in the nineties, nineteen ninety four to be exact, Walter 140 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.360 Terry and Gwynn Sherman by the property. Two years later 141 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:46.799 they're gone, and in between they say the weirdness started 142 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.080 almost immediately. Strange lights, voices with no throats behind them, 143 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:53.879 cattle mutilated, no tracks, no blood trail, no predator sign. 144 00:08:54.519 --> 00:08:59.440 Creatures that, by their account, made no biological sense at all. 145 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:03.919 And here's the one that still gives people chills. A 146 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:06.639 massive wolf like animal showed up near the family's cattle. 147 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.639 They say it was very large, fearless, and when Sherman 148 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.120 put rounds into it at very close range, it didn't drop, 149 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:18.320 it didn't bleed. It just walked off, vanished into the 150 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:24.759 open country of Skinwalker Ranch. Has nowhere to hide something 151 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:29.960 that size. That's a great story, right, hits every nerve 152 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:35.000 you know. The family farm, the helpless lifestyle, all the predators. 153 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.919 It's Pritt's perfect right, a gun that doesn't do its job. 154 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:44.200 But let's be straight, Walter, that's an unverified allegation. It's 155 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:47.759 not a fact. And that's the actual horror of this place, 156 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:50.080 not that we know what happened out there. It's at 157 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:52.519 every major claim, every single one. And you can go 158 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.000 on Netflix and watch The Skinwalker Something. It's like fifteen 159 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:59.080 episodes of nothing collapses into this fog the second that 160 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.200 you ask for any sort of evidence, because I want 161 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:03.840 to know, I want it to be true. Right nineteen 162 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.840 ninety six, Robert Bigelow buys the ranch, pours money into it, 163 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:11.679 since investigator, scientists, intelligence people for years, and even a 164 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.080 guy by the name of Colin Kelleher, Bigelow's own lead 165 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.799 researcher co author of the book Hunt for the Skinwalker, 166 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:22.799 later admitted that the team came away with little physical 167 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.120 evidence that could actually count as conclusive proof for anything 168 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.639 quote unquote anomalous. And that's the word that they keep 169 00:10:29.720 --> 00:10:34.799 using out there so years, surveillance, investigators, strange reports, alleged UFOs, 170 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:39.000 terrified witnesses. Right, still, Walter, no proof sturdy enough to 171 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.399 close the case on this thing. The ranch isn't scary 172 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.120 because it's solved the paranormal. It's scary because it built 173 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:49.679 a permanent condition of suspicion and it has never let 174 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.080 it go. And now you add the federal shadow and 175 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.080 all this thing and get this. Bigelow's company landed a 176 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:59.960 twenty two million dollar government contract something called an Advance 177 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:06.360 to Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program studying exotic sciences anomalist phenomena, 178 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.039 and that part of it is real, But the government 179 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:13.159 curiosity is not government confirmation at all. Nobody signed off 180 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.919 on any portals over the utah MESA, nobody's certified a 181 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:21.200 creature walking through walls. The money and the classified sounding 182 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:24.919 language made the legend even bigger, and it still hasn't 183 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:28.240 made one thing true. So enter twenty sixteen. A guy 184 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.639 by the name of Brandon Fugel, a commercial real estate guy. 185 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:34.600 He buys the ranch from Bigelow, installs camera sensors, full 186 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.799 monitoring array, a Netflix series. Frames the whole thing as 187 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.679 a serious scientific project, not a paranormal theme park, and 188 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.440 he's been pretty clear about everything. He's not just throwing 189 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:48.240 the gates open. He says the site needs security discipline, 190 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:49.759 protection from thrill seekers. 191 00:11:50.279 --> 00:11:50.759 So here's the. 192 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.639 Question I want to ask you, who you're all sitting 193 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.080 with this, Why hasn't any of this been solved? And 194 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.240 there's two reasons, And this is really the unsolved part 195 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.600 that we all want to believe in something. One the phenomena, 196 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:07.480 if it's real, it's irregular. Science demands repeatability, something you 197 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.759 conserve on command. And two and this is the part 198 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:13.919 nobody wants to say out loud. The ranch's greatest assets 199 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:19.159 it's ambiguity. So we need to basically prove that there's 200 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.159 actually something out there you can't get onto it. The 201 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:26.039 bigger picture of all this is unavoidable. The secrecy has 202 00:12:26.080 --> 00:12:30.799 protected the investigation but also protects the brand Skinwalker Ranch. 203 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:36.159 Lockgates preserve the atmosphere, restricted data preserves the argument, and 204 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:41.039 the episodic reveals preserve the audience. So every time this 205 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:44.360 ranch produces one more unexplained story without a single piece 206 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:48.000 of conclusive proof, it becomes more valuable and may be 207 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:49.960 traded to yet another investor. 208 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:59.759 All right, Eddie Dragon is going to talk to you 209 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:03.120 and in just seconds at eight three three, nine, six, 210 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:05.919 nine four four four seven. Because Eddie and I would 211 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.639 like to know what you think the deal is with 212 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:14.080 Skinwalker Ranch. It's a mystery, it's a conspiracy, and it's 213 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:18.440 a cash register in just seconds with Walter Sterling on 214 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:22.840 the Other Side of Midnight eight three three nine six 215 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.320 nine four four four seven from the Red Apple Audio Networks. 216 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:44.080 The Other Side of Midnight with Walter Sterling. It's the 217 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:48.240 Other side of Midnight with Walter Sterling. 218 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:54.240 Walter Sterling, the biggest all night show in American radio. 219 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.639 Eddie Dragon and I are talking about Skinwalker Ranch. You 220 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.000 may have seen it on the History Channel. It's a 221 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:05.200 very spooky place with things that look to me like 222 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.480 a lot of special effects. But I'm wondering what you 223 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.039 think Skinwalker Ranch is? What the hell is that? Eight 224 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:15.480 three three nine six nine four four four seven With 225 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:21.519 Mike in New Jersey. You're on the air with Eddie Dragon. Mike. 226 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:29.039 Hello, Hello, Hey, any people from the other planets are 227 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.480 coming here and stuff? They already been here, Okay. So 228 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:39.200 I where certain people are chosen ones, we're ancestors of them. 229 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.480 I'm with three six three, I was born on them 230 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:45.480 dates and so on, and so we know we're chosen ones. 231 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:49.679 We know we're special people. And you know I believe. 232 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:53.240 Hey, Mike, Mike, how do you know your How do 233 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.080 you know that number means you're special? 234 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.200 Well, Tessler del with It's year different things and we 235 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:04.840 get answers, and the universe tells us things as we're evolving. 236 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:07.720 What does it tell like. 237 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.360 Pino Barbitol, When I was a kid, I was supposed 238 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:13.360 to die four times. I hadeumonia. You know, there's always 239 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:15.240 reasons that things needn't happen. 240 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.120 I'm happy to believe you. I just want to know 241 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:19.519 why you believe that. 242 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.799 Whatever I asked the universe, it gives me. You know, 243 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.000 I'm here to get Trump to the next level. It's 244 00:15:28.039 --> 00:15:28.759 hard to explain. 245 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.759 Yeah, that is hard to explain. Now, Mike, can you 246 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.799 get the cherry dip for the vanilla ice cream cones 247 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:41.559 of Dairy Queen? Can you get that reinstated? With the 248 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:46.120 Dairy Queen, Derek Queen, they eliminated the cherry dip. Can 249 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.399 you get that reinstated? That was my favorite? 250 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:50.600 Yeah we can. Well, yeah, we'll get somebody to get 251 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.879 it dip because the cores I thought they were doing 252 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:57.440 so I would have the orange one. You know, well, well, well, 253 00:15:57.600 --> 00:16:00.600 it's like the twinkie came back. I wanted to come back. 254 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:01.240 It came back. 255 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:05.159 You know you brought back the Twinkie. Well, Mike, actually 256 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:08.120 everybody knows you brought back the twinkie. That's common knowledge. 257 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:11.519 Dan landers A, dear Abby, your sisters, it's common knowledge. 258 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:13.960 Thank you very much for the call, Mike. Eight three 259 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:17.200 three nine six nine four four four seven eight three 260 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:21.080 three nine six nine four four four seven. Eddie Arrogan, 261 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:26.200 Eddie Dragon. Do you have a conclusion, your own personal 262 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.919 conclusion about what Skinwalker Ranch is and then I'll tell 263 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:30.360 you mine. 264 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:34.279 Yeah, I believe that, Uh, you know, Skinwalker Ranch is 265 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:36.240 just a lot of rich people trying to fulfill their 266 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.159 boyhood dreams about what they think is phenomena. I mean, 267 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.840 it's like the Disney World, as one person said, of 268 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:46.519 paranormal stuff at this point. And you know, once it 269 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.600 kind of hits the mainstream, and what's it? It really 270 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.120 lacks a lot of that pool that we want out 271 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.360 of some of the things you know that are out there. 272 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:56.799 I think the mystery has really lost its luster. It's 273 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:59.559 more of a marketing piece than it is anything else, 274 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:01.639 and it is a cash cow. Up the government sticks 275 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:05.119 twenty two million dollars into it and finds nothing after 276 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.759 endless test on five h twelve acres and you see 277 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:11.880 show after show putting out it's really kind of I 278 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.160 think lost its edge as far as you know, being 279 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.920 the center of paranormal slash UFO slash. You pick your 280 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:21.519 conspiratorial activity out there. 281 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:23.720 Why are you visiting. 282 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:27.400 Because I have to? I mean, I'm interested. I want 283 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:30.160 to debunk or I want to define it, or I 284 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:33.160 want to you want to see what's out there. I'm 285 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:35.279 literally right now two and a half miles from the 286 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.039 Charlie Kirk site assassination site from Utah Valley University. And 287 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.480 my opinion, given what's happening right now in the world, 288 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:46.640 that's a far more interesting thing is what we have 289 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.799 discussed in the past about Tyler Robinson. Whether he's a 290 00:17:49.799 --> 00:17:52.799 patsy or whether he's a real shooter. You know, that's 291 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:55.000 for other people to decide, and you know where you 292 00:17:55.039 --> 00:17:56.799 and I stand on all of that, and that's far 293 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:57.440 more interesting. 294 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.000 That's not for other people to decide. What's your opinion 295 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:01.359 on that? 296 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.839 Well, you my opinion and I will continue to repeat it. 297 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:08.680 There's zero chance that Tyler Robinson took him out. I 298 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:12.240 doubt he's ever filed a fire to rifle in his life. 299 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.640 The road microphone went off at his shirt. There's multiple 300 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:18.920 angles on it, and there's so many things that are 301 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:24.079 surrounding all that. There's no doubt that Charlie Kirk was 302 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:28.160 killed by that microphone that was placed inside his shirt 303 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:31.519 about what three minutes before he went up on stage. 304 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.039 What I find most interesting and most telling whether it 305 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:38.720 was the microphone or not. I also don't believe it 306 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:48.839 was the guy what's his name's Tyler Robinson and Tyler 307 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:54.720 Robinson accused assassin of Charlie Kirk. He The reason I 308 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.839 don't believe that it was him was because of everything else. 309 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:02.480 Forget about the microphone things. That's a separate logistics problem. 310 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:07.079 But what's amazing to me is that his security detail 311 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:11.240 did not react like he had been, that they were 312 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.000 shocked by the fact that he was that he was shot. 313 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.160 They did not did not act surprised. The way they 314 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.480 got him into a car or an ambulance or whatever 315 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:24.880 also made no sense. There's always. 316 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.720 Eighteen seconds they loaded Charlie Kirk into the back of 317 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.200 that suv ready to go and out the door. 318 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:33.480 Right and at those events with a crowd that size, 319 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.640 there's always an ambulance. Well where was that ambulance? Okay, 320 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:37.200 there wasn't there. 321 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.839 There was medical professionals, Yeah, there was medical professionals directly 322 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:46.000 on site, and they refused to use them. They decided 323 00:19:46.039 --> 00:19:48.920 to throw him into the and take a thirteen minute 324 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:51.640 trip to Tippanogo's hospital. 325 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:58.039 And they cleaned up rather than collected evidence from the scene. 326 00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.079 They cleaned it up. I sure did, wiped it away, 327 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:05.759 sold it, did everything they could to sanitize the entire site. 328 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:07.799 None of that makes any sense. 329 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.440 None of it does. And that's why there's so many questions. 330 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.920 There's going to be a big debate this weekend about 331 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.359 the death of Charlie Kirk. As I told you a 332 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.440 lot was we were talking last month. Everything is ramping 333 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:23.200 up to September tenth of this year, the one year anniversary, 334 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:30.319 and that's gonna, you know, really define things politically, things 335 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:32.440 what people will you know, people are talking to talk 336 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.000 about again. You know, where's the JFK files, Where was 337 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:37.720 the UFO files? Where all these things? You know a 338 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:39.799 lot of people feel that the government is covering a 339 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:41.880 lot of the Charlie Kirk assassination up. 340 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:48.200 Do you yes, Well, that's what I want to hear. 341 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.440 You feel that a lot of people are covering things up. 342 00:20:51.799 --> 00:20:53.960 No, I feel I don't feel. I know there's too 343 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.839 much information that's at there. Absolutely, I've been to the 344 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.759 site several times. It's impossible to make see. Here's the deal. 345 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:03.359 If you look at the distance from where he shot 346 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.400 it and the speed of sound versus the speed of 347 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.519 that bullet, the bullet would have arrived twice as fast 348 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.039 as the speed of sound and the reaction times if 349 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:13.359 you just look at nothing else, takes point three to 350 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:19.200 four seconds for that sound to hit, where the bullet 351 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.519 hits in point one to eight seconds. Like, it doesn't 352 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.799 make sense even in the reaction times. There was a 353 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:29.880 precision organizational strike. If you will about how that happened. 354 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.440 What does that mean, Well. 355 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:36.319 There's a coordination between hand signals. There's a coordination between 356 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:40.720 the gun sound. There's a coordination between when the mic 357 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:44.160 goes off. There's a coordination between the reaction times of 358 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.039 the people who were in Charlie Kirk's I mean his handler, 359 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:50.160 his number one guy, a guy by the name of 360 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.680 Mikey McCoy. As soon as that sound goes off, he's 361 00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:56.440 sitting there taking a picture of Charlie Kirk. He literally 362 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.400 flips around and walks away. Now, if my best friend 363 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:01.119 and the guy that I I'm most responsible for, I'm 364 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.559 right next to I'm jumping on top of that guy. 365 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.279 I mean, these are all in like, not natural reactions. 366 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:08.839 I mean next to you. 367 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.920 So it looked like a tableau. It looked like a panorama. 368 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:15.759 It didn't look like somebody had just been shot. And 369 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:18.640 you and I are on the air in Chicago on 370 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:26.599 the Great WGN Radio Eddie. I everything I see of 371 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:30.319 the Charlie Kirk site, all that footage, everything, I'm like, 372 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:35.559 nobody reacted correctly, right, And therefore my question is what 373 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:39.759 is their motive? What is their reward for not acting correctly? 374 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.519 Why did his security team, the people on that stage, 375 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:45.880 why did none of them act correctly? 376 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.559 I think that's where we all get ourselves into trouble, 377 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:53.319 because I can tell you what the motive wasn't. It 378 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:56.480 wasn't to expose Charlie Kirk as a transgender, hating human 379 00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.920 being and killing him for that. That's what the motive is. 380 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:02.079 He said that exists, and we know that not. 381 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:06.799 To be true. So that's an stupid motive. 382 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:08.599 Well, that's what they're saying. 383 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:13.920 It is so that in so ridiculous. 384 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.759 Yeah, pretty much the mainstream media is saying this, Walter, 385 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:21.279 and that's the motivation. Why don't we hear from Tyler Robinson? 386 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:24.920 What was your motivation from doing it? And I guarantee you, 387 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:27.559 within the first ten seconds of him telling us what 388 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.200 his motivation was, none of us would believe what he 389 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:31.640 is saying. He's a Patsy. 390 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:35.480 Eddie Arrogan. How do we reach you? What's your radio 391 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:36.240 station in New. 392 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:40.680 Mexico rockof Talk dot com. That's rockof Talk dot com 393 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:43.960 or on the am dial Am sixteen hundred K I 394 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:44.880 v A. 395 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.400 I have a homework assignment for you. Are you ready? 396 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.359 I am. I've got my pen and paper, my trustee 397 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.039 computer next to me as well, so I've taken notes 398 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:55.759 three ways. Go ahead shoot a. 399 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.039 Very good thing to do in the hotel room. There 400 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:01.279 are two TV series that I insist you watch. One 401 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:07.440