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go ahead and jump into today's discussion. My guest today

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is Irena Doctor Irena Scott, how are you, my friend?

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Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad to be here. Thank you for inviting me.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. So you have quite a story. You've done a

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lot of research. You've been in this field for a

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while enough to have enough not just as a researcher,

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but as an encounter someone who has had encounters with

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UFOs craft and ets and things like that. So, just

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starting off, let's give the listeners a little bit of

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a background about who you are and what you bring

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to the table.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I'm not a professional ufologist. My background is in

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science and I received my PhD from the University of

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Missouri College of Veterinary Medicine in physiology, had postdoctoral research

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at Cornell University, and had a professorship at Saint Bonaventure University.

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My masters was from the University of Nevada, and my

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bachelor's was from a university from Ohio State University in

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astronomy and biology. And I've done research and teaching at

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the Ohio State University College in Medicine in the University

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of Nevada. I've also worked aircraft identification, and I've worked

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at that which is relevant to UFOs. Plus, I've also

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worked at the Tel Memorial Institute, and I've been sent

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for work related purposes to write Patterson Air Force Base.

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So I've basically worked at three places that had to

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do with UFO phenomena, but I wasn't directly involved in it.

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I just worked there and found out about things.

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Speaker 3: So you working at these places, you've have you heard

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the UFO discussion of different people who are in maybe

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higher seats of authority, who are respectable people talk about

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the existence of these you know, craft or ets or

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anything like that.

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Speaker 5: I've known people that worked for Project blue Book. I've

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talked to doctor Heinik briefly, and my last book contains

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a lot of his handwritten letters. And I also know

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a person that worked with him fairly closely at Project

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blue Book and at Hotel and I've used her notes

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on things in her documents in my last book, Sacred Corridors.

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Speaker 3: So what I guess to kind of skip ahead. I

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know you have tons of encounters and experiences and things

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like that, but I don't even know if you can

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answer this question. But what's going on? Like, what are

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we in contact with? What is watching us? Isn't? Is

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it ancient? Is it aliens? Is it demonic? What's going on?

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Because something is interacting with this outside of the Earth's atmosphere?

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What I mean? So, at the end of the day,

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what do you think it is, what are we in

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Speaker 5: Well? Being a scientist, I've studied this for quite a while,

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and my basic knowledge is I just don't have any idea. Wow,

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many years of study. It's very odd and mysterious, and

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I don't know if it's technological or spiritual or anything else.

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Speaker 3: I like that answer. I like that answer because you know,

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a lot of times people come on and they have

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it all figured out. They can tell you that we're

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in touch with the Oucturnian light beings who travel the

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seventh galaxies to be here to make contact and give

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us divine knowledge. And these people have these well crafted

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stories and they have books and they're experts in that field.

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But I kind of at the end of the day,

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I've had a ton of encounters seen mini craft, and

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I'm with you, it's hard to pinpoint and just say, yeah,

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this is what's going on, this is what it is.

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You see, there's a bunch of experts out there who

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have maybe had one encounter, like from the Christian community,

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they'll say, yes, they're demons, you know, and just blanket

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across the everything is demons. And I don't think it's

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that easy. I don't think it's as easy as saying

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that they're all angelic. I don't think it's as easy

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as saying that they all are physical beings that live

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on another planet. Right, There's like lots of different things

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that we've seen is captured on camera and pictures and

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people having encounters. What was some of the stuff early on?

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I love to address this to see what kind of

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gets people into this. And I've heard some of your story,

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but what was some of the experiences early on as

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a child that you had that really got you into

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researching UFOs or just these different encounters with the divine?

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your interests interests early on?

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Speaker 5: Well, my interest from early on was something that happened

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to my sister and I before we had ever heard

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of UFOs. It was years before we heard of UFOs.

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we had one radio, but my parents selected the stations

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and things, so we didn't hear much about We didn't

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hear anything about UFOs, and I didn't know anything about it,

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and it took me years to figure out this was

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a UFO experience. But my sister and I were sleeping

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in an attic room. She was about four and I

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was about six approximately, and it was a nice clear night,

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and she was in one side of the room and

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I was on the other. And it was an attic

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room with walls that sloped upwards and came together in

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the ceiling about three feet apart. Well, I was asleep

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and I woke up and there was this thing flying

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around the room, and I had no idea what it was,

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and watched it with curiosity. It looked like a little

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piece of hot metal and it was just flying in

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sort of a browsing motion, up and down and back

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and forth, and flew around the room several times and

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got close to us several times. I didn't know she

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was awake. And after it flew around for a while

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and I was just curious, I realized that it avoided obstacles,

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like if it came to a wall, it would turn

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about a foot away, or if it came to furniture

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it would turn. It didn't bump into anything, and so

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I thought, this isn't something inanimate. Even at that age.

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We both I mean, she was awake too, but I

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didn't know. We both realized that something was not normal

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about this It was nothing like a lightning bug or

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anything like that. And after a while it flew up

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towards the ceiling. It made a right hand turn at

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the ceiling so it didn't hit anything. And then it

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went to the chandelier which was in the middle of

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the room and turned off. The room was dark, and

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it began to circle the chandelier between the chandelier and

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the walls. It didn't feel its way around or anything.

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where the chandelier was and began circling. And it circled

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quite a while, and I think it speeded up a

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little when it did that, and then it just made

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a perfect spy right down into the chandelier. Well, at

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that time, both of us became terrified at the same time,

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and we ran out of there and shrieking and screaming

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so fast we bumped into each other and fell down

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the stairs and ran to our parents, and they thought

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we'd just gone crazy or something and didn't believe us.

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we didn't have any idea what it was for years

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and years and years. And then in the nineties, I

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think I read writings by Jenny Randalls, UK uphologists, and

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she talked about bedroom visitations of young children of UFO

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like objects, small objects, which we had, and then she

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said that people that experienced that often have other UFO

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events later in life, and we did, and we were

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sorted unique because we had them together as a child

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and we had another one later as adults, both together.

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Speaker 3: I'm reminded I was actually just showing this clip here

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on the side. I'm reminded of the movie that came

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out in the nineties, I believe maybe eighties, I'm not sure,

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but there's a movie called Batteries Not included with these

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little ships, these little UFO craft or whatever that was

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coming down like little machines interacting with people. What do

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you think it was. Do you think it was some

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what some people would say that there was some type

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of drone or like a modern like a little ship

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that kind of would come out of a mothership and

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go out and monitor, which a lot of people believe

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that a lot of these craft that they're seeing are

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not manned, that they're just like observing and recording things

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to report back. What do you think that it was.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, because our room was closed, the window

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was screened in, and the door was closed, and so

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we had no idea how it got in. We had

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no idea why we both woke up at the same time,

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and we had no idea why we were suddenly it

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became terrified at the same time. It was kind of

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like there might have been some little bit of mind

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control going on or something like that, or maybe missing

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time because we didn't know how the thing got inside

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the room. It wasn't a lightning ball, because it was

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just a nice clear night, and so it was long

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before drones or anything like that. It was a long

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Speaker 3: What was the next encounter that you had?

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Speaker 5: The next encounter I had was on our farm again,

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and we were poor. We didn't have air conditioning. I

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was sleeping outside and I woke up and looked north

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in this object was flying over and it was like

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a big sphere. It was about the size and I

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thought it was about the distance of an airplane going over,

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but it's just a round, blowing sphere. And when it

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got right above me, suddenly all the dogs in the

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neighborhood began to bark, and our dog, which was locked

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in the house, and couldn't see it also began to

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bark and jump around, and then it went on over

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and I was terrified, but I was also scared of

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my parents, so I didn't go inside or anything. I

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just stayed out there terrified until the morning. But then

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later years later, my sister and I had a sighting

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Speaker 3: Would you say that they were pleasurable experiences? They like

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a lot of times when you're when you're a child,

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it changes your life. It sets you on this path,

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on this course to seek out answers. You've had experiences

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that that you know, not all the other kids in

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your class have had, at least to your knowledge, until you,

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you know, get brave enough to start vocalizing it and say, hey,

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anybody else ever had a little ship flight through your

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room or something? You know, and the scrutiny that comes

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with that, and the you know, the people making fun

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of you and the ridicule and stuff. So you kind

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of got to own it. But I feel like it

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shapes people's lives when they have those those encounters. In

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those experiences, do you think that it was something good

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or bad? Was it? Did it have ill? Intentions or

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what do you think that it like it's an intent

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was or it has been throughout your life? Is it

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something pleasurable? Obviously it does spark like awe, wonder, creativity,

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there's something else that exists out there, you know, these

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type of mindsets. But you know so some people are

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scared of them. Some people wish that it wouldn't never

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happen again. They've had ugly encounters supposedly with these type

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of these different beings that come in their room at night.

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And but other people will it to happen. They call

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themselves experiencers or contact these even and the whole term abductee,

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abduction or abductee has kind of gone out the window

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in recent years. What do you think like it, Has

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it been a pleasurable experience or would you not wish

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it on anyone else? How does that, I mean, how

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do you look at that? What is your relationship with

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it at this point?

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Speaker 5: Well, when the first one happened, we had not heard

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of UFOs, so we weren't terrified because we thought they

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were ailiens or anything like that. We just had no

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idea and we didn't talk about it for many, many,

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many many years. I wouldn't say it was pleasurable because

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it was one of the most terrifying things that ever

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happened to me. And I don't know really why I

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was scared either, but it was absolutely terrifying. It's something

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that even today I have some little ditches in my

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mind about being terrified of things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, any I think anytime you have an encounter

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where you wake up and something's there in your room,

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you know, uninvited, it's going to scare you anyway. And

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like I go back to the Christian realm or whatever,

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but like a lot of people have encounters with different

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entities that are in their room. So they automatically say

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that it's an alien. It could have been a demon,

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it could have been a ghost or disembodied spirit, maybe

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an angry ancestor, you know, they have these type of

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a polter guys, they have these encounters, but then they say, no,

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it was an alien. You know, these kind of experiences,

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and so they kind of lump them all together. But

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you know, I think we do uphology, spirituality or whatever

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type of entity that is. I think we do a

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disservice when we start just lumping everything, you know, just

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kind of labeling it either all good or all bad

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or whatever. I mean, that's kind of where we are

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in life right now, twenty nineteen, just labeling a group

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of people of all bad or stay away, or they're scary,

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or they're harmful or whatever. Have you had any other

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encounters with different beings or do you think that they've

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they're all been the same beings that have been kind of,

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you know, monitoring you or contacting you throughout your life.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea. At that time, when it first happened,

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we were both just curious and wondering what was going on.

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And then suddenly, just like somebody turn on a switch,

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we were both terrified, and so we had a sudden

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change in feelings. And at that age, I don't think

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either one of us had much personality, So I don't

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think we had big changes in our personality like lots

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of people do that have experiences later. I think in

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general what it did was making me more open minded.

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Speaker 3: Though, yeah, I mean when.

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Speaker 5: People tell these weird stories, I don't automatically dismiss them.

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Speaker 3: So you approach it from a scientific standpoint, Where does

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spirituality come into play? For you or does it.

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't visualize it as religion. I

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visualize it ufo. Information is more data points to use

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it scientifically. I mean people say you believe in it

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or you don't believe in it. Well, I don't connect

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it with religion really. I just think there's information there

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that you should try to understand and look at it

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from different ways.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe you know, because there's a lot of

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people who kind of lean more spiritual after having these encounters,

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like I said, asking the bigger questions in life and

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is God real? Who are they? What is that? Or

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is that the angels I'm reading Even here in the

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comments section, gil Hodges says that his childhood was such

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that I beg to be taken away by aliens, but

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I never saw anything. So people like want, you know,

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there's a fascination, you know, of something to kind of

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like a like a savior, even these aliens or angels

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or something like that, something else to exist beyond this reality,

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whether it's day after life or these type of beings

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that exist in and are watching over us. Do you

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think that they are you know that that that they've

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been here a lot longer than we have or they do.

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the religious you know, ideologies come from. Were they influenced

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by these these beings or do you think this is

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something new that's happening.

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess I kind of view it as that

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we humans probably have very limited knowledge and senses and

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everything else, and we're probably just taking a tiny little

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bit of our environment. And we may not be very

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evolved either, because the universe is a lot older than

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Earth is. So yeah, I think that from evidence, it

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seems that people have seen things like that all through

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history that they've recorded or drawn, but it's always filtered

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to your culture. And so if three thousand years ago

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you saw a round ball of light, you might think

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it's an angel, or you might think it's a globe

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or an orb or a ghost or something, And if

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you saw it today, you might think if you saw

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the same thing today, you might think it's a UFO.

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But I think it appears as that sort of thing

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has been happening for a long time, but that it's

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described different ways according to the culture of the person

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of the witness.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, especially like you know, going back to the Bible,

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you see, you know the cloud by day, you know

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the fire by nights. You see there was one instance

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where I think, I want to say it was like

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Elijah or it was one of the prophets, so maybe

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Jeremiah who says that he's seen it like a scroll

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or like a role that was glowing red. And everyone

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talks about these these type of red orbs or these

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orange orbs or whatever the case is. And so people

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have been having these these encounters with these these type

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of craft or whatever the craft that you've seen, especially

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being a scientist, So is it have these have these

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largely been the nuts and boltz craft or have you

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seen the ones that actually morph and take shape and

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they almost seem alive like they could actually be an

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entity themselves, which some people believe that the crafts are

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alive as well. Have you seen the two or has

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it mainly been some type of nuts and bolts craft

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that you've seen?

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Speaker 5: Again, I don't know. I saw things that look like crafts,

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but I don't know if they are crafts. Pick on

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that appearance. There's a lot of information about people that

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may see like a orbor globe that then it turns

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into humanoids shape and things like that. So it's it's

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like maybe they can take different shapes and.

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Speaker 3: They have like cloaking technologies. We were talking a lot about,

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you know, just just looking into the ocean and the

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different beings and fish that have that can you know,

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cloak and go invisible and shake, change shape and change

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color and you can't see them. And and these are

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are you know, real life forms that exist in the

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bottom of the ocean, you know. And I really do

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believe in the term as above so below. So if

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we look into the night sky, whether we're seeing craft

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or we're seeing beings that exist outside of the atmosphere.

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flat earth talk that that there's water out there, that

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space is water and these type of so it would

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kind of give room to the beings that we're seeing

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in the ocean, seeing very similar entities in the sky.

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anything like that.

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Speaker 5: I've looked into it a little bit, and I think,

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you know, they seem to be able to levitate and everything.

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So I don't know why they wouldn't be the same

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in water as they are in the air. And people

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report them coming out of water and going into water

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and things like that.

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Speaker 3: For people who don't know, tell us a little bit

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about Project Blue Book and what that whole deal is

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and your involvement with that.

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Speaker 5: I worked at Betel Memorial Institute, and I've been at

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Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and that was where Project

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blue Book took place, and so I've talked to a

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number of people that worked in it. Its predecessors started

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about the time of the Kenneth Arnold sighting of flying

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Saucers and Roswell. It was called first of all, Project

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Saucer because nobody knew anything about him, and evolved into

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Projects sign which was the government study of UFOs. That

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was in some ways it was more open minded the

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later studies because they considered that they may be extraterrestrial

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or not man made. But then they began to the

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government began to debunk the whole idea, and this evolved

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into Project Grudge, and it was named that because it

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was the government agency was set up to debunk everything.

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And later this evolved about nineteen fifty two in the

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Project blue Book, which lasted until nineteen sixty nine, and

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that was the government study of UFOs. And that was

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For example, the History Channel had a program about a

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series and it showed doctor Heinez going out to investigate. Sorry,

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I can only search for topic for movies.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's listening.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea what's happened. It just went off.

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Maybe it's hear me. And that was the long investigation

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where they took reports and went out and investigated and

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talked to the people that cited the UFOs and had

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them fill out forms and things. And the part I

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was covering in more detail in my book was a

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study done by the Tel Memorial Institute and it was

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first of all top secret study and people know about

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Project Blue Book that the Heineken people went out and

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investigated and talked to people and that sort of thing

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which is shown on the History Channel. But there was

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another part of it, and this was a secret part,

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and that's what they did with the data. And what

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they did with the data was designing a real good

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questionnaire where they can take discrete properties of the UFO

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phenomena such as how many do you see, how long

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did you see it, what shape was it, what color,

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and that sort of thing, and filled in with the questionnaire.

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They used the questionnaires to do a real good computer

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study of it, which was called Spishial Report number fourteen.

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And in this after they did this good study, they

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found out that there's less than one chance of a

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billion that UFOs are not conventional objects, that there's something else.

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So it's kind of in a way proves scientifically that

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they exist.

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Speaker 3: How were what i mean, what were some of the

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ways that they would try to discredit people or you know,

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debunk all of this stuff. Was it to kind of,

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you know, go after the people who are having these

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experiences and they always say, well, you know, it's the

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it's the red neck from the south. It's the man

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who lives in the woods and he's uneducated, and you

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know why, why can't they abductor or appear to people

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who are smart and educated. It's always these dumb hillbillies

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in the mountains or in the woods or whatever. What

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were some of the things that they would do to

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try to debunk this or you know, some people we've

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even talked about you know, targeted individuals where they you know,

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mess with people and drive them crazy, maybe even kill people.

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We've heard stories about what are some of the different

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things that they would do to target individuals who were

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having these experiences. I mean, there's this weird hysteria even

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in the field for people who have had encounters. And

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they still to this day don't want to do what

477
00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:49,440
we're doing right now and talk about this stuff openly

478
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:52,000
because they feel like they're going to be targeted by

479
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:55,160
the government because they already know too much. What were

480
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,319
some of the things that they were doing or are

481
00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,240
doing well.

482
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 5: They were They would take people that had perfectly good

483
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,920
sightings and say they're crazy. They're imagining things. They're seeing

484
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:12,519
the moon or things like that that they couldn't possibly report.

485
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,200
There was one real good, one, real good sighting in

486
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Ohio called the Portage County UFO Chase. It was by

487
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,960
two policemen, SPA and NEAF. It was a pretty well

488
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:31,799
known one, and these policemen were joking first of all

489
00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:35,960
with the police somebody on the police radio who said

490
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,000
a woman in Michigan saw UFO and everybody laughed about it,

491
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:44,359
which is the common thing. And then they went to

492
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,720
look at a car that was sort of weird. It

493
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:56,480
had seven steps that hell written on the doorway, and

494
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,559
this object is they were looking at the car. This

495
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,200
object came over the trees very close to them and

496
00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:08,480
very bright, and they were no longer laughing. They were terrified,

497
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,519
and they ran to their police car and got in

498
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:22,839
it and called the police radio and the person the

499
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,279
person on the police radio said shoot it. And they thought,

500
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,920
this isn't such a good idea. What happened next was

501
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:33,319
while they were on the police radio the whole time,

502
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,119
they began to follow it, and they followed it through Ohio.

503
00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:44,200
It was fairly low and slow, and when they got

504
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,519
to the Youngstown, Ohio air base, they heard that it

505
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:52,680
was on radar and that they had scrambled jets and

506
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,240
people saw jets, and they had the reports that it

507
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,519
was on radar, so they kept on following it and

508
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:03,759
they got clear into Pennsylvania. There were a whole lot

509
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,359
of witnesses. There were other policemen that saw it, and

510
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,039
they were on the police radar all the radio all

511
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:14,400
the time. So it was just an excellent sighting. But

512
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,519
then Project Blue Books said they were they saw either

513
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,079
venus or a satellite, which didn't match what they described

514
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,480
at all, and it made them look like they were

515
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:31,519
crazy because they were police people and it really affected

516
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:32,200
their lives.

517
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:38,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I mean so are these are these like

518
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400
you know, government funded programs that do this.

519
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,039
Speaker 5: Well. They had during Project Blue Book, they had two

520
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,759
government projects that seemed to be set up to debunk

521
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:58,279
UFOs and one of them was called the Robertson Panel

522
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:05,400
where they Mattel didn't want it to convene when it

523
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,800
did because Mattel wasn't even finished with the studies and

524
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,679
they were going to give these expert scientists this information

525
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,679
that was bad and then have them decide whether UFOs exist,

526
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,440
and they just they convened it even though they didn't

527
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,480
have the data. The CIA wasn't involved in that. And

528
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,039
the end of it was that they wanted people to

529
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,880
debunk UFOs and say people are crazy and put bad

530
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,719
stories about them that were crazy on the Internet and

531
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,039
things to convince people that they didn't exist. And then

532
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:52,079
later they had a study called the Condent Report where

533
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:58,920
doctor cod Content from the University Colorado did a study

534
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,679
and he also concluded there's no such thing as UFOs.

535
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:09,480
What he basically concluded was is that they weren't of national,

536
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:20,840
that they weren't dangerous, and he concluded basically that in

537
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,559
some phrases that they didn't exist even though they couldn't

538
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:32,719
explain when they're their data, which meant's conclusion was basically meaningless,

539
00:35:33,079 --> 00:35:37,039
but it convinced the public and that made him stop

540
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,199
Project Blue Book.

541
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,119
Speaker 3: Do you think that with all of this you know,

542
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:47,800
dis info out there, it would seem feasible in like

543
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:56,920
a smart move to infiltrate uphology to fund people, maybe

544
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,280
even people who write books and maybe have large just

545
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,079
of money behind them for promotion and media and things

546
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,519
like that, to fund people who are disinfo agents and

547
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,239
put them into the ufology community to maybe even be

548
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,679
the face of euthology even Do you think that there's

549
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,840
people in the field that most of us know without

550
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,159
even saying any names, really, who are you know disinfo

551
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,960
agents that are that are funded by someone or maybe

552
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,519
even you know in it? I want to you know,

553
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,079
I would phrase it to say that are just opportunists

554
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:36,840
in it for the wrong reasons, But we don't even

555
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,199
go there. Are there people who are funded by government

556
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,760
corporations to get in here and push out a lot

557
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,440
of this info? Do you believe that that's something that

558
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,360
we have to kind of weighe through in this community.

559
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 5: Yes. One of the first people that wrote about Roswell

560
00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:03,320
I can't think of his name right now. He worked

561
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:14,159
to I can't think of his name. He worked with

562
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:22,280
the government to make a person called to make one

563
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,840
person that was investigating UFOs look crazy, and this was

564
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:36,679
a government work. They think that Richard Dodie might be

565
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,920
a disinformation agent, and I think he's admitted it. Maybe

566
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:48,320
I had interviewed a person Robert Collins, that worked with him,

567
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,840
who supported him. But I think a lot of people

568
00:37:51,199 --> 00:38:00,320
think he's a government and this information agent. And there's

569
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,000
a lot of people that are talking talk about kind

570
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,800
of wild things that might be in that category.

571
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: Maybe some of the uh you know, Corey Goods, those

572
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:14,599
kind of people.

573
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,519
Speaker 5: Well I better not mention names, but yeah, well.

574
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,519
Speaker 3: I just I have to second guess anyone who has

575
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:25,920
it all figured out and it's and it can package

576
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,599
it in such a way maybe it puts in And

577
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,400
this is just from a seeker myself. I don't want

578
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,440
to put myself on a pedestal, but as far as

579
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,800
someone who would or to even just think of myself

580
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,360
too highly, but someone who has had a lot of encounters,

581
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:46,559
a lot of UFOs, a lot of visitations. Again, I

582
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:50,000
can't I can't put it together like some of these

583
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,000
people claim to do and I don't know how they

584
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,880
do it. And I'm sure you feel the same way

585
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,199
with the extensive research that you've done, and you still

586
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,559
are with me asking it leaves you with more questions

587
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,599
at the end of the day versus saying that this

588
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,239
is exactly what it is. Now. You probably have a

589
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,880
lot of conclusions of personally what you think they are,

590
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,280
But to say, you know, without the shadow of a doubt,

591
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,159
matter of fact, this is what we're dealing with, it's

592
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:19,480
really hard to say. And that just makes you question

593
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,679
anyone really who claimed to have it all figured out.

594
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:31,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of people say they work for

595
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,280
the government and they saw all these things, bodies and everything.

596
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,679
And I worked for the government and I didn't see bodies.

597
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,639
I saw some evidence that there were under there around

598
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,320
chambers and things like that. But when I work for

599
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:54,519
the government, my supervisors turned in a UFO report and

600
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,039
we were supposed to identify everything flying over this particular

601
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:01,320
area of the earth, and we didn't have a clearance

602
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,599
for UFOs, even though it would be related to our work.

603
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,400
And my supervisors turned in a report from our satellite

604
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:14,039
photography and they were severely debunked by the agency, even

605
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:16,840
though we were kind of working in that field, which

606
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,559
gave me the feeling high up in the government there's

607
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,760
people that know something about them and are even debunking

608
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,519
government workers.

609
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:30,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether it's you know, like again, I guess the

610
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:33,039
second point of the second side of the point was

611
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:34,519
the fact that first of all, you have people who

612
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,599
are you know, dis info agents, but then again you

613
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,360
have people who are you know, opportunists. Because this is

614
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,000
a growing field. There's beginning to be a lot of

615
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:47,239
money in this field and book tours and speaking engagements

616
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,800
and TV deals and ancient aliens that is huge right now.

617
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:53,440
And so the people who would kind of get into

618
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:57,519
the field and maybe even if you know, there's probably

619
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:59,840
people who started out they and they you know, meant

620
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:02,400
well when they started, but who would just kind of

621
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:06,800
you know, fluff up the stories a little bit and

622
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,719
add things and you know, just make kind of make

623
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,800
it up as they go. I really feel like we're

624
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,760
dealing with a lot of people who do that. You know,

625
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,639
in the field, there's people who are just opportunists, and

626
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:22,280
and they're here and we have to wade through their

627
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,599
stuff and they maybe have a bigger budget than you,

628
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:28,000
and they have a better publisher or whatever the case is.

629
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,039
But they get more eyes on their material because it's flashy,

630
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,599
because it's you know, as a matter of fact, and

631
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:39,800
if and if and if you came out and said

632
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,159
as a matter of fact, you would probably get a

633
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,639
little bit more attention on you. And this is what's

634
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,719
going on. And you know, you kind of have to

635
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,519
push people around and and maybe you know, degrade or

636
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,840
try to debunk other people's work or whatever, even if

637
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,559
they've made it their life work, and even if they're

638
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:58,480
telling the truth. I think we have a lot of

639
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:02,880
that going on too. It's in every field. You know,

640
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,159
it's in the religious field, it's in it's you know,

641
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,079
it's it's in politics, you know when it's definitely in

642
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,360
euphology as well.

643
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,199
Speaker 5: And for example MJ twelve, which are purported to be

644
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:28,119
documents leaked from the government that discuss UFOs and government

645
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,360
people working with aliens and that sort of thing. Well,

646
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:36,800
that's taking up an awful lot of UFO investigators time.

647
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,639
But there's no way to document whether any of it's

648
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,320
right or not. And there's a good reason to think

649
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,039
it's not. But it seems like the government or somebody

650
00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,679
spent an awful lot of time working to get these

651
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,000
documents to look right and look like they're real.

652
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a lot of that going on. But

653
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,880
as far as your experience is right, and people saying

654
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,519
having their their own personal encounters, we've heard tons of stories.

655
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,480
Now whether they're made up or or or or real,

656
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:10,480
I'm not sure. But as far as you said, you've

657
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:15,480
been down these these different corridors and hallways where that

658
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,599
would well, would they lead to you know, maybe UFOs

659
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:23,519
that are docked there, or meeting rooms were set holding cells?

660
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,840
What was what do you think was down there in

661
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,760
these different corridors that you've you've found, Well, I.

662
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 5: Was just in the same place where people that were

663
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,760
doing that had done them work, like Project blue Book

664
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,880
had been. I would just we just named it that

665
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,599
because I'd walked down the same holes and corridors where

666
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:50,360
they had done their work. But for example, at Wright

667
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:59,119
Patterson Air Force Base, it's very very secure, and so

668
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,400
there's just maybe a very few, like four or five

669
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:07,760
euphologists have actually been on base. And I was on base,

670
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,960
and I looked around because I work, and also I

671
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:16,800
knew somebody that worked there that showed me around, and

672
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,639
so I looked at some of the places where there

673
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:25,880
were stories about aliens and hidden chambers and things, and

674
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,480
I did find some evidence that suggested there were hidden

675
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,880
chambers and that sort of thing. I've heard all kinds

676
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:38,239
of informants stories about bodies and Debrison things at right Patterson,

677
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,760
but I've never seen them. But I have seen evidence

678
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,840
suggesting that the chambers were there that people have described.

679
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: Speaking of the debris and stuff like that. What can

680
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:53,480
you tell me about memory metal?

681
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 5: Well, this came from working at Matel Memorials. They were

682
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,519
to do a study under Project blue Book, a statistical

683
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:12,320
study where they designed a questionnaire and did statistical work

684
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,440
on it. So the workers that did that project were

685
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:22,360
supposed to be statisticians and like psychologists and that type

686
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:26,960
of people that designed questionnaires. Well, it turned out that

687
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,119
the actual people that did this study for Mattel were metallurgists,

688
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:36,719
which had nothing to do whatsoever with what they were

689
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,360
supposed to be doing. For some reason, they hired metallurgists,

690
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,880
and so people wondered why did they hire Miller just

691
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,920
when that wasn't their field and it wasn't what they

692
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,599
wanted people to do well. Another person I back in

693
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:55,840
the nineties had heard this one man who talked to

694
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,239
this man in the nineteen fifties when nobody really knew

695
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:05,000
anything about Roswell or debris or anything else. And he

696
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:09,800
was a metallergist of some status, and he informally told

697
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:15,920
this person that he was working on metal from the

698
00:46:16,199 --> 00:46:21,360
debrie from a crash, or metal from a ufoe t metal.

699
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,960
And so anyway, this was just dormant for a long time,

700
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,760
and I published it about nineteen ninety four just in

701
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:40,840
a local little news letter. And then Smith and Carrie,

702
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,880
who wrote the book Witness to Roswell, one of the

703
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,800
people that worked with them had interviewed me and they

704
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:54,320
put that into Witness to Roswell. Well. It turned out

705
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:58,280
that Mattel had done some studies of Night and All

706
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,679
which might have some proper pretty of memory metal, and

707
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,360
it went all over the internet that possibly this was

708
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,480
memory metal, and possibly they had back engineered some form

709
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:17,239
of metal of memory metal from this.

710
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 3: Would that have to be would that would that be

711
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,559
something like, uh, like, if you're dealing with mercury or

712
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,960
something that's able to take shape and just mold and bend,

713
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,159
how does that how would you think that that works.

714
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, some of the people that saw the first that

715
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,000
so apparently sold the roso Christ said they collect this

716
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,679
really weird type of metal that you would bend it

717
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,880
and take its shape back and you couldn't destroy it

718
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,239
with anything like bullets and things like that.

719
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 3: So if you have this type of metal, maybe that

720
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,840
would be uh, you know how they're able to cloak

721
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,719
as well, to bend light or have this metal, you know,

722
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,239
just changed directions to where you can't even see it,

723
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,360
and they or even change the shape of the ship.

724
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,119
We're talking about these plasma ships as well. People see

725
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:14,400
these ships that are just morphing and changing shapes and

726
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,119
combinding with other ships and a lot of really weird

727
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,360
aerial phenomena that goes on. So do you think that

728
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,880
that would have something to do with the memory metal

729
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,480
as well? Probably it might.

730
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 5: There were a lot of stories that I mentioned in

731
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,840
my book in Ohio. Ohio is where Right Patterson is

732
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,119
and there's pretty definite proof that something was sent from

733
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,039
Roswell or Right Patterson. And there's stories about not only

734
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:47,199
but Tell but other places where they investigated some unusual

735
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,719
metals and for example, kim Conroller bearing had one of

736
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,239
the hottest furnaces in the world, and there's a story

737
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:03,119
that something was shipped out there and that they exposed

738
00:49:03,159 --> 00:49:06,000
it to this very hot furnace and it didn't hurt

739
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:12,880
it at all. There's stories from Wright State University that

740
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,679
these people were to these graduate students I think or scientus,

741
00:49:18,679 --> 00:49:24,280
were to explore the characters this type of metal and

742
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,280
they fired bullets at it and it just didn't hurt

743
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,679
it at all.

744
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, bullets and ammo wanna and it just never even

745
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,599
budged this UFO that appeared.

746
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's stories like that.

747
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,039
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's some type of technology that that

748
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,599
can penetrate it. Though. I tried to talk to some

749
00:49:45,639 --> 00:49:48,440
people about this, and everybody comes from a different realm.

750
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,840
But there's there's these different videos online of what looks

751
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,960
to be some type of craft coming towards the Earth

752
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,960
from space and and these are taken from from different

753
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:05,360
spaceships or satellites, and there would be a flash and

754
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,840
looks like a plasma beam or something shot from Earth

755
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,280
up towards the craft and it moves out the way

756
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,000
and then turns around and leaves out the other direction.

757
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,800
Seeing videos like that and then doing the research about

758
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,880
what the government knows about UFOs and aliens and things

759
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,079
like that, and then we have Space Force, this thing

760
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:29,320
that I think, I think we've had Space Force for

761
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,920
a very long time. We're just now hearing about it,

762
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:33,840
you know, probably because they're not going to be able

763
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,320
to hide a lot more stuff that they're going to

764
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,119
be doing in the open, maybe transporting some of these

765
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,480
craft or ships or whatever the case is, so it's

766
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,519
kind of in the open. Now. What's your take on that?

767
00:50:43,639 --> 00:50:49,320
As far as like this war between space in us

768
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,199
from a religious standpoint, I do have to I do

769
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,639
approach it from this way. And if there is a

770
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:57,039
good and a bad, I feel like the bad people

771
00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:02,239
are here on Earth running things and poisoning the water

772
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,760
and doing our passing evil wicked laws and all kinds

773
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,119
of weird stuff that's happening on the Earth. I feel

774
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,400
like these are the evil people and the good guys

775
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,760
are out there. To me, they are more angelic, right,

776
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:17,519
And I do feel like there's a war. There's a

777
00:51:17,559 --> 00:51:21,000
lot of people who claim that with night vision goggles

778
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:24,599
you can see fleets of UFOs as people who claim

779
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:27,639
that you see them shooting at one another or maybe

780
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,320
it's us up there with nuts and boltz craft that

781
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,719
are shooting at them. Edgar Casey says that the Battle

782
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,320
of Armageddon was going to be fought in outer space.

783
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,800
Do you think that we are at war with some

784
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:45,880
of these entities and who what is good? What is bad?

785
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:47,719
Do you have an opinion? I know it's hard to

786
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:49,599
say that, you know, but do you have an opinion

787
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:49,960
on this?

788
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:59,159
Speaker 5: No, people have good traits and bad traits, and maybe

789
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,280
they have have a prime directive, like in Star Wars,

790
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,599
to just interfere a tiny little bit, but to let

791
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,320
us take care of our own problems and watch what

792
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,360
happens or something.

793
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,159
Speaker 3: I think Star Wars has a lot of information in

794
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:19,480
it about what's going on. I really do. Even the

795
00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:24,280
angel thing, Like there's quotes where they're talking about the

796
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,360
angels that live on these other planets and stuff like

797
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,239
that in Star Wars and that they you know, star

798
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,360
pilots and fighter pilots and one day I'm gonna grow

799
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,039
up and be one. And that's all of these different

800
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:37,079
quotes and stuff like that. Somebody who knew, you know,

801
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,519
a little bit more than we knew or know put

802
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,559
that stuff in there years ago. Years ago, and now

803
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:46,880
we're just hearing about space for something that seems like

804
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,039
it's out of a fairy tale or out of a

805
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,880
Star Wars movie is actually real life. There really is

806
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,760
a space force that people are gonna be able to

807
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,000
sign up and go fight for and all of this

808
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:59,440
kind of stuff. And there's a lot of testimony from

809
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,320
people who have who claim and these they're just claims

810
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:07,079
what people claim to be a part of different projects

811
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,719
like that and have been to space and have fought

812
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,000
against these type of entities that are that are out there.

813
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,559
And I think I think a more of a level

814
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,199
headed approach is to say that, you know, they're not

815
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,920
good or bad. They are like humans. They choose, maybe

816
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,599
they wake up on the wrong side of the bed

817
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:26,719
and they have a bad day or whatever. Just to

818
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,519
say that they're all good or bad. But I do

819
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:34,320
feel like there's like this cosmic code of enlightenment that

820
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,239
that you know, to have that type of technology and

821
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,199
to to survive up there, there has to be some

822
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,840
type of code of ethics or code of conducts. And

823
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,599
I really do feel like, you know, if there is

824
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,119
a war, I don't I don't feel like they're that,

825
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,119
you know, that bad. You know, the beings that are

826
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,320
out there that have been I feel like they've been here,

827
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,119
you know, for since the beginning, watching over us. I

828
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,800
mean there's cave paintings and all types of it's mentioned

829
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:03,719
in the Holy Books. They've been here. So if they

830
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,119
wanted to destroy mankind or whatever the case is, they

831
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,280
could have done that. That's not that's not what they

832
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,480
want to do. Now. If we're getting into some of

833
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,800
the theories of some of the ancient alien stuff and

834
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:18,320
the Twelfth Planet and all of this, Zacharias sitchen that

835
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,679
they've created humans to be a slave race to you know,

836
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,760
to mine gold or you know, whatever the case is.

837
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:26,880
You know, some of that stuff may make sense that

838
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,400
they're just watching over the planet and making sure that

839
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:34,800
everything goes as planned, almost as a pet or you know,

840
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,519
looking into a you know, a hamster cage or an

841
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,480
ant colony or something, making sure everything goes good. You

842
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,800
don't have any opinions on what's really taking place.

843
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 5: Well, they say that UFOs people began to get that

844
00:54:53,119 --> 00:55:01,280
concept of that it was connected with aliens just before

845
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:06,800
we developed our own space program. Before that, I think

846
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,039
they had different cultural interpretations.

847
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

848
00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:18,599
Speaker 5: Some people say, well, it had something to do with

849
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,760
us inventing the atomic bomb and things like that that

850
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,519
that drew them in. But actually Earth has been here

851
00:55:25,559 --> 00:55:31,639
for like four billion years, and it's had the characteristics

852
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:37,000
where that astronomers some way off would know that it

853
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,039
could have our type of life. And the universe is

854
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:46,480
much much older than Earth, and so more advanced types

855
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:50,519
of beings would probably have known that we're here for

856
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:56,280
a lot longer than Earth exists. I mean, even from

857
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,559
our type of sun, they might be able to tell,

858
00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:02,199
you know that the Sun has the characteristics where it

859
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,199
may have plants with our type of life. So I

860
00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,719
imagine that things in the universe have known that we're

861
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,519
here for billions and billions and billions of years, and

862
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,280
Earth is covered with life, and we're saying, well, why

863
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,920
isn't there life someplace else? Well, we don't know, and

864
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:31,800
maybe we're prevented from knowing. Maybe our reality is kind

865
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,840
of limited and we're just sort of I won't say

866
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,320
in a matrix, but maybe we just are not evolved

867
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:47,639
enough to understand that there's other life forms around. Maybe

868
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:48,760
they're here all the time.

869
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do believe in some type of etheric field

870
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,960
that exists around us, where there's entities that live or

871
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,519
the somebody spirits, and you know, some believe, especially with

872
00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,199
the flat earth stuff, is that they don't believe like

873
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,400
they believe in UFOs and they believe in these entities,

874
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,159
but they don't believe that they come from space. They

875
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:11,679
believe that they come from just right here in our

876
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,960
midst and they're able to pop in and out through

877
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,440
other you know, portals of dimensions and things like that.

878
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:22,199
But when it comes to we're not ready to I

879
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,360
guess as a species to evolve or we're not ready

880
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:30,159
to handle the information. Somebody knows about it, right the government,

881
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:35,639
someone knows, whether it's the Vatican, which probably holds some keys.

882
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:39,679
You know, the government, they know stuff, and they're keeping

883
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:44,719
it secret. For a reason. Why would they keep the secret.

884
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,119
A lot of people say that all the world religions

885
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:51,360
will fall apart, and that's an old notion. I don't

886
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,000
believe that. I think that, you know that. You know,

887
00:57:54,039 --> 00:57:56,400
they've done polls and they've asked people how many people

888
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,760
believe in you know, the existence of aliens or UFOs,

889
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,679
and you know, the numbers are staggering where people are

890
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,239
just okay with it, and they kind of believe whether

891
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,079
there was it. You know, periods of conditioning through the media,

892
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:14,639
through ancient aliens and pushing that they just get people

893
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,000
ready to get the pope. The Pope had a lot

894
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:21,000
of quotes that he was getting people ready and saying, hey, well,

895
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,559
maybe if they do exist, there are space brothers and

896
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,119
we can win them to Jesus as well. You know,

897
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:29,079
all these weird quotes from the Pope and different world

898
00:58:29,199 --> 00:58:31,920
leaders and stuff like that, just kind of maybe getting

899
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,719
the people ready. I don't think that if the government

900
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,960
came out and told us the truth that it would

901
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:42,639
cause pandemonium, unless maybe if we were at war, maybe

902
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:47,840
that would cause pandemonium that we're fighting against them, that

903
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,519
they are our creators and they want to come back,

904
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:54,079
and maybe we're we don't want to give up our thrones,

905
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,320
you know, as far as us I say, you know,

906
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,679
the world leaders, you know, maybe that that's the reason.

907
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,880
I mean, I have to believe that that it can't

908
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,719
be something that's just easy for us to believe that

909
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,639
they exist unless there's some type of galactic war that's

910
00:59:11,679 --> 00:59:13,639
been going on for a long time and we're a

911
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:16,960
part of it. Obviously, we're a part of something now

912
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,159
by the name of space for us, because that's a thing,

913
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:22,280
you know, that's not even that's a thing now. So

914
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:26,039
something's going on, and you know, maybe the existence is

915
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:29,599
one thing, but then again, why you know, the agenda

916
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:32,599
may be another. You know, maybe that's why they won't

917
00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:34,679
tell us because there is then they would have to

918
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:39,360
eventually disclose an agenda and who they are. We owe

919
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:43,280
them something, you know, we've exchanged technology, now, we've signed

920
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,559
treaties with them that they can abduct people or whatever.

921
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,559
There's a lot of different theories out there, But what

922
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:51,639
I mean, what kind of thoughts you know, have you

923
00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:54,480
do you wrestled with when it comes to this, because

924
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,119
there's a lot of government involvement. Why would they be

925
00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:01,320
withholding this information? Why don't they want the average Joe

926
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,119
to know the truth that this is a part of

927
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:08,400
our reality? They do exist. Why wouldn't they want the

928
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,119
American people or you know, the people of Earth to

929
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:12,360
know that they exist.

930
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:16,719
Speaker 5: One of my thoughts is what if the government is

931
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,719
under mind control from the top parts of the government

932
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,960
earned their mind control from the UFO phenomena. That would

933
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,880
be bad, and it would be bad because we wouldn't

934
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,840
be finding out anything. It seems to me like transparency

935
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,440
would be the best thing, but it's not the way

936
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:41,320
it's organized. And I think when people first got the

937
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,440
idea of UFOs, they were thinking about, oh, these are

938
01:00:44,679 --> 01:00:49,400
Russian craft or things, and they wanted to find out

939
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,800
all about them and keep the enemies the other countries

940
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,559
from knowing and say, well, we know about them, and

941
01:00:56,599 --> 01:00:59,800
the other countries don't you know. And so I think

942
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:05,639
that that's how it started. And it started as classified

943
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:10,840
information from the very beginning because they interpreted it as

944
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:15,039
from other countries. And I think it's been in the

945
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:19,880
military ever since instead of being scientific research where it

946
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:26,480
should have been. And so it still is in the

947
01:01:26,519 --> 01:01:33,559
military and the government, which will hide things and use

948
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:38,400
redica kill and everything else to keep people from studying,

949
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:45,480
which they have. So I mean, I just wonder if

950
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,480
there might be some kind of minding prol influencing the

951
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,320
government from the UFO phenomenon.

952
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: Well maybe that's where it comes into the whole demon thing,

953
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,559
influencing you know the mind of the leaders who are

954
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,840
doing bad things or whatever the case is, or holding

955
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,000
stuff back. You know, there's a lot of there's a

956
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:09,039
lot of theories out there about you know, the origins

957
01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:11,760
of civilization and you know who we are and who

958
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,480
who our leaders are at that there's that that that

959
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,000
elite to bloodline and who you know what you know,

960
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:21,519
where they come from or they even come from you know,

961
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:26,039
another solar system you know themselves, or the different races

962
01:02:26,119 --> 01:02:28,360
down here on the Earth, or just you know are

963
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,079
seated from different galactic uh, you know, organizations as well.

964
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,400
It really it really gets the mind working, but of

965
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:41,000
just knowing that something exists even though we can't put

966
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,920
our finger on it. Something's going on. And I think

967
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,119
that's enough research to just really get people exploring and

968
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:51,639
trying to make contact and stuff like that. Have you

969
01:02:51,679 --> 01:02:54,440
ever tried to make contact? I mean, you know the

970
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,039
whole you know, close encounters for the first, second, third, fourth,

971
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,280
and you know we have the fifth kind and CE

972
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,239
five initiative where people are now going out not being

973
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:09,679
contacted themselves, but they're trying to initiate contact. Have you

974
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,440
ever been a part of any of those type of

975
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,360
groups of star gazing and trying to communicate. You're talking

976
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,400
about this mind control and dealing with that could be

977
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,760
dealing with telepathic communication. Have you ever experienced any of

978
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,800
that stuff, and you do you feel a connection with them?

979
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,880
Maybe when you gaze at the stars, I mean that's

980
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,320
where you come from. Is there a connection there? Have you? Uh?

981
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,559
Does any of that ring a bell for you? With

982
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:38,840
with trying to you know, say hey, you know, who

983
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,559
are you? And you know and kind of engaging contact yourself.

984
01:03:42,719 --> 01:03:44,920
There's a lot of people doing it, and some people

985
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,880
claim to have success doing it.

986
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 5: I never tried it because it seemed like what happened

987
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:59,559
was my sister and I were contacted. Yeah, well like

988
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:04,639
we had our first experience before we ever heard of UFOs,

989
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:09,719
and so we weren't trying to contact anything, and we

990
01:04:09,719 --> 01:04:15,639
were both terrified. And I wonder, I fear has nature's

991
01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:18,119
way of telling you to be careful or things like that.

992
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: And so.

993
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:26,599
Speaker 5: I think I've I've been invited to go with people

994
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:30,119
that say they say UFOs all the time, and I'm

995
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:32,920
curious about that, and I've wanted to go, and somehow

996
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,880
I just haven't made it. So I haven't really explored

997
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:43,000
the idea of contacting them because I have a pretious nature.

998
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 3: You didn't have the only one. There's a lot of

999
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,800
people who we start talking about things like that, and

1000
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:53,199
they just throw up a red flag, be careful, you know,

1001
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:54,280
I just.

1002
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 5: Released to be careful. Maybe it's fear or something like that.

1003
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,679
Speaker 3: I just released an a T shirt and it's a

1004
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,639
it's a it's a picture of my little character being

1005
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,960
abducted or taken away my logo by aliens on a ship.

1006
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,960
It's pretty cool t shirt. Just release that. But then

1007
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,559
some of the comments people are saying, be careful, what

1008
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:24,119
if your shirt facilitates that maybe you will it to

1009
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:28,480
happen and you get taken away upon a ship. I've

1010
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,719
had a lot of close encounters and and there is

1011
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,199
that fear that still gets there when you see a craft.

1012
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:36,880
There's that awe and wonder as long as they stay

1013
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,880
far away. But when they come in the programming, the movies,

1014
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:43,840
all of these type of things, that comes back to say,

1015
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,639
oh what if what if fire in the sky was

1016
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:49,760
really a true story and it happened like that, and

1017
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,960
they're gonna take me and not bring me back like that?

1018
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:54,480
You still have to battle with with with with the

1019
01:05:54,519 --> 01:05:56,880
fear and stuff. But I think you really have to

1020
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,639
move past that to initiate any saying. I mean, it's

1021
01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:03,599
fear is what cripples people. You know, it's fear holds

1022
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,440
people in dead end jobs to not step out and

1023
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,760
fulfill their passion because what if I don't make it?

1024
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:13,320
What if I follow my face? What if I get abducted?

1025
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:16,480
You know, So there is that fear that's there. But

1026
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,599
at the same time, it could be a healthy fear,

1027
01:06:18,599 --> 01:06:21,320
and it's a fear for a reason. But you know

1028
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,199
there's people doing it, and and uh, you know, I

1029
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,199
guess encourage exploration and and just like to hear about

1030
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:31,519
people's encounters.

1031
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:36,599
Speaker 5: You know, I'm exploring, but I'm not inviting everything into

1032
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:38,320
my mind that might be there.

1033
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,679
Speaker 3: But you've never had that, you don't You don't think

1034
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:46,280
you've ever had that telepathic communication where they say, hey,

1035
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,480
look up, here we are and you look up and

1036
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,400
you see them or anything like that.

1037
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:57,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, sort of sometimes just by the coincidences, and it's.

1038
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 3: A strong coincidence, Hey look up, there they are.

1039
01:07:02,639 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 5: I wonder is this did this really some kind of

1040
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,000
communication or was it coincidence? And I don't know.

1041
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if it starts happening more and more,

1042
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,000
you know, you start have a couple of them, maybe

1043
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,719
once or twice. But when it's like a bunch of things,

1044
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,400
like you know, people talking about synchronicities and seeing the

1045
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,199
same numbers, seeing the same hearing the same phrases, those

1046
01:07:24,239 --> 01:07:26,280
type of things over and over. So hold on. Something

1047
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,480
is trying to get my attention, whether it's you know,

1048
01:07:29,639 --> 01:07:32,519
God or the we say God, or we could say

1049
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:37,360
the angels, or they could be the ets that hold

1050
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,960
all of this stuff together, you know, and and uh

1051
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,760
and and are here communicating with us or you talking

1052
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,239
about having the government under mind control or have us

1053
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,559
all under some type of weird mind control. I mean

1054
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:52,119
if the government's being controlled, I mean they regulate what's

1055
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:55,360
on the television and what we put into our bodies

1056
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:57,679
and all all kinds of stuff. So it's like, if

1057
01:07:57,719 --> 01:08:00,480
you have the head, then all of us kind of

1058
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:06,360
by default in this weird you know, you know what

1059
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,280
I'm saying, disillusion as well, and in our own reality

1060
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,960
and what we believe is real and this this life

1061
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,960
and existence, and it does leave us with more questions.

1062
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,359
It's not as simple as oh, you know, And even

1063
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:20,920
as people in the comments sections here watching us lives

1064
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,239
saying other demons, they're just demons, It's like, I don't

1065
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,960
think it's that easy, like it maybe makes us feel

1066
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,720
good like we have it all figured out, but we

1067
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:32,199
I don't think we know. And maybe even the people

1068
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:35,439
at the top we're talking about the world leaders and

1069
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,680
the religious leaders and thinking that they know, maybe they

1070
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,520
just know a portion or a fraction of what it

1071
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,000
is that is really going on and how it operates.

1072
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:48,840
And uh, and who's who maybe of this type of

1073
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:52,119
you know, galactic alliance or federation, or maybe they've been

1074
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,439
lied to as well. They don't know. It does intrigue me, though,

1075
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,439
and I've given my life, much like you, to trying

1076
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,640
to understand and what's going on, and you know, and

1077
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,600
I'm left here asking more questions at the end of

1078
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,960
the day, which is what usually happens.

1079
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 5: But yeah, you know, people want to protect their power too,

1080
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:15,760
which may have something to do with the government not

1081
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:18,840
admitting that things can fly around that we have no

1082
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:19,760
control over.

1083
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:29,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's definitely a whether say, a race for

1084
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:33,800
power or a thirst for power, or wanting to keep

1085
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:38,279
your throne, you know, your thrones of dominion over the earth,

1086
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:43,520
and something's going on, and we're left here with more questions.

1087
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,159
But the good thing about these conversations is that other

1088
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:49,920
people you know, are listening to these and they hear

1089
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,840
stories like that you've had like when you were younger,

1090
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:55,600
you and your sister, and they've had similar stories as well.

1091
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,760
There's similar encounters, and I'm reading here in the comment

1092
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,119
section people are saying, yeah, I've had something similar as well.

1093
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:03,479
And to let you know, hold on, first of all,

1094
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,560
I'm not crazy, you know, I don't need to go

1095
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,720
see a psychiatrist. Other people are having similar encounters. Let's

1096
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,279
get to the bottom of it and at least let

1097
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:13,439
us reason and try to figure out what's going on.

1098
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,359
There's something strange about we're talking about the people, the

1099
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,560
kids who are having these encounters, right, People who have

1100
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,720
had this encounter when they were three or four or

1101
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,800
five years old, you know, and it marks them. It

1102
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,239
sets them out on this path of you know, seeking

1103
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,239
out the divine, asking the bigger questions and getting to

1104
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:36,239
the bottom of it. Whether it's the divine that's marking

1105
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:38,600
them or hey, I need you to kind of this

1106
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,239
is how I'm gonna prep you. I'm going to say

1107
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:41,960
hello to you when you're a kid. I'm gonna come

1108
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,239
in your room and let you know what's going on.

1109
01:10:44,319 --> 01:10:46,720
That's going to shape the course of your life, that's

1110
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,800
going to lead you to ask the bigger questions and

1111
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,920
into these different fields of research and things like that.

1112
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:58,239
So I really enjoyed this conversation. If there's any anybody

1113
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,640
who wants to check out you work, You've got several books,

1114
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,840
some interesting ones at that. If people want to check

1115
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,880
out your work, check out your books. Where's the best

1116
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,600
place for them to look that stuff up? At?

1117
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:13,560
Speaker 5: My website is Irenascott dot com and they can just

1118
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,840
put it in the name Irena Scott and it should

1119
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,520
pop up. It shows my books and if they click

1120
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,119
on a book, it just immediately goes to Amazon dot

1121
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:25,680
com and they can order.

1122
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: One of the books here. That catches my attention. God

1123
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:36,920
is a woman, the origins of yahweh Allah and the

1124
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:41,880
gods of India in Asia? What's the premise of that.

1125
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,560
I feel like that would make for a good episode

1126
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,079
as well.

1127
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 5: That's the evidence that the original religion for most of

1128
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,680
the time humans have existed, has been a goddess, a

1129
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:03,560
female goddess, and that the religions that we have now

1130
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:12,000
with a male are derivative of the original religion, and

1131
01:12:12,079 --> 01:12:16,000
that maybe the original religion was different and more open

1132
01:12:16,039 --> 01:12:23,239
minded than some of the so called religions we have

1133
01:12:23,359 --> 01:12:30,880
now that worship males as a deity. That today's religions

1134
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,359
are kind of competitive, where the Muslims are killing the Jews,

1135
01:12:34,399 --> 01:12:37,760
and the Jews are killing somebody, the Christians are killing

1136
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,399
somebody else, and there's a whole lot of strife that

1137
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:45,239
maybe that really isn't religion. Maybe religion is following the

1138
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,920
Golden Rum and doing things to help other people, regardless

1139
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,640
of their parents or you know, nationality, religion or anything else. Yeah,

1140
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:56,640
these things.

1141
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,199
Speaker 3: What it's a you know, God made man in his

1142
01:12:59,279 --> 01:13:04,119
own image. Then man, you know, turned around and created

1143
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:06,920
God in his own image, you know, created a fashion

1144
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,279
to God after their own liking. Hey, this is how

1145
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:14,079
we want God. It is very funny how your God

1146
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,000
loves or hates the things that you love and hate

1147
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:22,640
you know, your you know, religious upbringing, or God doesn't

1148
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,239
like gay people. Well, no, you don't like gay people,

1149
01:13:25,359 --> 01:13:28,840
and uh, you know, God doesn't tolerate this, but he

1150
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,560
tolerates that. He doesn't get into this. But that's okay.

1151
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,319
We're not going to address that. We're going to sweep

1152
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:36,439
that under a rug. And it has so much to

1153
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,720
do with control and fashioning a God after our own

1154
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,600
image and likeness, which at the end of the day

1155
01:13:45,319 --> 01:13:48,520
is idolatry, creating a God after our own image. And

1156
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,199
so you see that a lot, and it moves into

1157
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:55,880
cognitive dissonance, and people, you know, they don't even even

1158
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:59,800
ask these bigger questions about why they, you know, believe

1159
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,199
in a type of God that caters to them. And

1160
01:14:03,239 --> 01:14:08,119
it's the same way with I talk about, you know,

1161
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:12,680
the medium world where people are channeling and mediums, and

1162
01:14:12,720 --> 01:14:15,880
how convenient that the information is coming through is stuff

1163
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,520
that they already believe and things that they want to say,

1164
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,359
but they can't say it unless they have a channel,

1165
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,920
you know. And so religion even acts as a channel

1166
01:14:24,119 --> 01:14:27,720
to really say how you really feel and how bitter

1167
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,399
you may be, or how hatred you know what I'm saying,

1168
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,319
hateful you may be, and you know how pleasing your

1169
01:14:33,319 --> 01:14:35,760
God feels the same way, you know, and each and

1170
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,640
every one of these or how liberal you are your

1171
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,840
God's liberal mind too. So it's really interesting. I'd love

1172
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,039
to have a conversation with you about that one as well.

1173
01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:47,000
We'll have to do it again. Good all right, my friend, Well,

1174
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,840
I really appreciate you hanging out with me, and we'll

1175
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:51,640
do it again very soon. Thanks so much for coming on.

1176
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much for inviting me and having me.

1177
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,439
You're very interesting to talk to.

1178
01:14:57,279 --> 01:14:58,560
Speaker 3: Thank you, my friend. We'll do it again.

1179
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,159
Speaker 5: Great, Thank you, Oh bye bye.

1180
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:09,159
Speaker 3: Great conversation, ladies and gentlemen, Doctor Irena Scott. Good stuff.

1181
01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:12,439
At the end of the day, man like more questions.

1182
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:16,640
You think you think you know, but you have no idea.

1183
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,079
Just when you turn the leaf, there's so much more,

1184
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,199
more questions, more questions, more questions, and then you know,

1185
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:33,720
a life of pursuit, but still can't put your finger

1186
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,680
on it, can't say that this is exactly what it is.

1187
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And I really do question the people who claim to

1188
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,279
have it all figured out. But then again, in my mind,

1189
01:15:41,279 --> 01:15:44,640
I'm like, isn't that kind of pompous of me to

1190
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,920
say just because I don't have it figured out means

1191
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,800
that they don't have it figured out. That's kind of

1192
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:54,399
pompous of me to say, Right, just because I don't

1193
01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:56,359
know it all doesn't mean that they don't know it all.

1194
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:59,920
But I h I really don't think that they did.

1195
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,199
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. I've

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01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:06,880
given my life in the pursuit of this and how

1197
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:14,039
it works. The spirit, realm, God, the angels, demons, devils, entities, fairies,

1198
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:19,479
all of that stuff. Are they real or are they real?

1199
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:25,840
If you believe it, that's deep. They exist. If you

1200
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,760
think they do, I really lean more towards that. Now.

1201
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,159
If you believe that they exist, then they do. Even

1202
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,720
if it's just for you in your mind and your

1203
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:42,359
reality and your imagination. Whatsoever a man thinketh in his heart,

1204
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:47,880
so shall he be. Whatever you shall believe, nothing shall,

1205
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:52,039
by any means be impossible unto you. It becomes real

1206
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:57,119
just for you in your world. Write a book, tell people,

1207
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:01,359
do a podcast, do music, get a budget, begin to

1208
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:07,319
roll out this idea, market it. Maybe create apps in

1209
01:17:07,399 --> 01:17:16,319
the Internet and algorithms that stifle other opinions and promote yours.

1210
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:20,239
To change the narrative, to change the way that we think,

1211
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:25,000
to push that narrative out there, to make people think

1212
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:27,600
that this is real, whatever it is that you believe.

1213
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,199
If not the old souls, if not us, we're stuck

1214
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:33,960
in our ways at this point, right. If not us,

1215
01:17:34,039 --> 01:17:37,119
maybe the next generation, maybe to make them think that

1216
01:17:37,239 --> 01:17:40,039
this is okay, maybe them, for them to think that

1217
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:42,319
this is the way people should think, or this is

1218
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:45,600
the way you engage with people, or engage with God,

1219
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,840
or engage with sex, or engage with culture. This is

1220
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,079
the right way, right they write the narrative, changing of

1221
01:17:52,199 --> 01:17:56,000
the narrative. This is what we're dealing with. Man, it's

1222
01:17:56,039 --> 01:18:00,439
crazy the universe works in such a way. We had

1223
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,960
this discussion this morning me Watchman and the Voice just

1224
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,479
about how the Internet is fashion into such a way

1225
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:12,039
that you can pretty much find any information that you're

1226
01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:15,640
looking for. You can go to Google, be your best friend,

1227
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,159
and you look up something. You're gonna find it. Yeah,

1228
01:18:19,159 --> 01:18:22,920
I remember years ago just looking up. I woke up

1229
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:29,720
and it was just loud, humming noise outside and it

1230
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sounded like a diesel engine. It was like five in

1231
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:34,880
the morning. I needed to get up at like six

1232
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,880
for work. I woke up and won't, won't, won't, won't, won't.

1233
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:40,720
When I go outside, I'm like, what the heck is

1234
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,840
that noise? It just sounds It sounds like a diesel

1235
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,000
engine crank. It sounds like a loud truck, but it's

1236
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:50,159
just permeating the atmosphere, almost feeling like it's coming from above.

1237
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,520
So I get online. And this is when I'm doing

1238
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,479
Illuminati UFO research all that kind of stuff at the time.

1239
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This was probably back in two thousand and nine maybe,

1240
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:07,840
And so I look up UFO sound diesel engine. I

1241
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,279
found a website. I found a website where people are

1242
01:19:11,279 --> 01:19:15,800
talking about seeing UFOs that when they seen them, they

1243
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:20,079
sound like a diesel truck running an engine.

1244
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 5: Won't won't won't, won't won't.

1245
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Speaker 3: Um It's like wow, It's like so there, Hey, I

1246
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:29,720
got proof those a UFO somewhere out there. It's pretty low.

1247
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,039
You know, Google exists in a way that you find

1248
01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:36,479
what you're looking for. You'll find someone that believes it.

1249
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,920
You'll find a religion, you'll find a church even that

1250
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,800
believes what you believe in, caters to what you believe in.

1251
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,520
I used to go to a church that catered to bikers.

1252
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:51,760
Everyone had mohawks, purple hair, nose piercings, wore leather jackets,

1253
01:19:52,399 --> 01:19:54,720
and that was the church. They catered to those people.

1254
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:57,159
There was a church right across the street that caters

1255
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:03,079
to upper class white people. They did not allow homeless

1256
01:20:03,079 --> 01:20:05,279
in their church. The homeless people came, they turned them away.

1257
01:20:05,279 --> 01:20:08,159
They actually brought them to the biker church. You know,

1258
01:20:08,199 --> 01:20:13,840
there's a religion as a church. The Internet all work

1259
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,520
in such a way that you find what you're looking for.

1260
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But I believe that the universe works in such a way,

1261
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not just the Internet, but the universe. And so some

1262
01:20:24,119 --> 01:20:26,560
of these concepts that may seem far out to someone,

1263
01:20:27,119 --> 01:20:30,840
some of these concepts that again people do laugh at,

1264
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,800
people do scoff at, they think you're crazy. You know,

1265
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,199
it's truth for you. You've experienced it, you've encountered it.

1266
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,000
The other people have no idea what the heck you're

1267
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:47,520
talking about, no idea what you're talking about. But you've

1268
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:51,479
encountered it, you've been to those realms. You've done the research.

1269
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:58,680
But then again, don't let that pride overtake you and

1270
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,279
feel like I know it all because you've done the research,

1271
01:21:01,399 --> 01:21:04,119
because you have the experience, you have to approach it

1272
01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:08,199
with a sense of grace, a sense of mercy, because

1273
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:10,960
you were just like them at one point when someone

1274
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,880
pulled you aside and tried to give you some truth,

1275
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:16,640
or pulled you aside and tried to correct you on

1276
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,000
some things, and you didn't want to hear it. So

1277
01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:22,000
now that you so called have the truth and you

1278
01:21:22,039 --> 01:21:24,000
want to share it, you have to show those people

1279
01:21:24,039 --> 01:21:29,720
that same grace, show those people that same grace that

1280
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,279
was shown to you. That's all you can do, no more,

1281
01:21:32,399 --> 01:21:36,920
no less as it was given, freely given to you,

1282
01:21:37,039 --> 01:21:40,720
freely receive, freely give it. That's what you gotta do.

1283
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,840
You'll find what you're looking for. I got friends who,

1284
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,640
like I said again, they look for the evil in everything.

1285
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,199
I mean, there's comment you just look go through the

1286
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:57,079
comment section of YouTube, especially anything spiritual. I got a

1287
01:21:57,119 --> 01:22:00,439
lot of people sending me still standing me Steven banded

1288
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,720
cars videos. Please don't send me Stephen band Car's videos.

1289
01:22:04,199 --> 01:22:08,239
I don't want to see them. It's counterintuitive, kind of productive.

1290
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,560
I know what he's about, I know what he brings.

1291
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,720
He's trying to debunk everything that you know, my show

1292
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,199
that everything that I stand for, right, and people still

1293
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:20,199
send me those videos almost like a slap in the face. See,

1294
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:23,039
listen to this guy. He's telling you that they're evil.

1295
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:27,720
He's telling you that meditation is demonic publicly. Again, please

1296
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,640
stop sending me Stephen Bandcar's videos. People. I got a

1297
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,600
couple of people who just insist on doing that. Then

1298
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,920
maybe I'll repent, or maybe I'll start believing like he does. Again,

1299
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:41,119
you'll find whatever you're looking for. We've talked about this

1300
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:45,680
so many times. Go online right now, we should just Okay,

1301
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,520
we're doing an experiment for those of you who are

1302
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,079
listening on the podcast apps. Visually, you won't better see this,

1303
01:22:52,119 --> 01:22:55,119
but I'll try to explain it and do decent commentaries.

1304
01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:59,159
So let's see only me. Let's see me and web.

1305
01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:02,560
Here we go. So here's me and the computer. We're

1306
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:07,279
gonna go to YouTube here, okay, and there's me and YouTube.

1307
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:11,720
So this is what we're gonna do. We're going to

1308
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:24,399
look up videos why I left Wow, why I left

1309
01:23:25,039 --> 01:23:28,279
christian while I left Christianity for Buddhism, while I left

1310
01:23:28,359 --> 01:23:38,920
Christian Science, Why I left Christianity. And we're just gonna

1311
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:49,079
look at this, tons of videos, tons of videos. Why

1312
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,279
if people ex pastor leaves the church, says the Bible

1313
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:57,479
isn't real, Why I am no longer a Christian. Now,

1314
01:23:57,560 --> 01:23:59,880
let's just let's just say the person who's kind of green,

1315
01:24:02,079 --> 01:24:05,680
let's just say they don't know a lot of stuff.

1316
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,119
They haven't researched a lot. This is the first video

1317
01:24:08,199 --> 01:24:10,640
they watched. Corey Fresco tried to get him on the

1318
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,199
podcast a couple of years ago, why I left Christianity,

1319
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,640
And this is the first video you've seen. You'll see

1320
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:24,279
this guy and you may hear his story and that

1321
01:24:24,319 --> 01:24:27,079
may be your conclusion, or you may watch six of

1322
01:24:27,119 --> 01:24:31,079
these videos, and most of these people are say why

1323
01:24:31,079 --> 01:24:35,039
they left Christianity, but now they're pagan. They left Christianity

1324
01:24:35,079 --> 01:24:40,439
and now they're atheists or Buddhist or they're spiritual. Right,

1325
01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:44,640
But then again, so Coy, he's definitely Corey Fresco. Let's

1326
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,840
just say he definitely deals with more of the Vedic traditions,

1327
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,199
now more of hindu And they say, while left Christianity.

1328
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:56,800
Tons of videos it can reshape your mind why left Christianity.

1329
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:03,199
Let's say, say why I left Hinduism, and here you go,

1330
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:06,520
while I left Hinduism for Christianity. These are gonna be

1331
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:13,159
a bunch of videos about people who came out of Hinduism.

1332
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,079
And they're gonna tell you bad stuff about Hinduism. They're

1333
01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:20,479
gonna tell you bad stuff about the leaders, bad stuff

1334
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,760
about the doctrine, they met Jesus. You know what I'm saying.

1335
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:28,039
They just believe our religion is fake. Whatever the case, is.

1336
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:30,640
You're gonna listen to all these people, this is the

1337
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:35,520
same thing. Go back. These are the while I left Christianity. Christianity,

1338
01:25:36,039 --> 01:25:39,840
Jesus is very near and dear to my heart. Right,

1339
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,399
Jesus is very near and dear to my heart. And

1340
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:51,159
there's a lot of people saying why they left. And

1341
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:56,680
then on the other hand, people who have went to Hinduism. Right,

1342
01:25:59,079 --> 01:26:04,760
keep going meditation. Let's just see you're probably my video,

1343
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:19,560
meditation is dangerous. Look at that. Meditation is dangerous. Here's

1344
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,880
doctor Oz showing you the benefits of meditation, the dark

1345
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:31,760
side of meditation. Meditation is demonic. Right, should Christians meditate?

1346
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:36,560
It's yoga a sin? You know, all of these weird ideas.

1347
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,479
And here's people who have probably had some weird experience

1348
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,239
meditating or studying information about meditating. And they have a

1349
01:26:47,279 --> 01:26:50,439
testimony how God called them out of the New Age

1350
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:55,439
and away from meditation, and they were called out of it,

1351
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,039
and you should leave it too. But then again, you're

1352
01:27:01,079 --> 01:27:05,479
going to find people who have maybe encountered Jesus tern meditation.

1353
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,960
You're going to find people who have changed their life,

1354
01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:14,640
become better, better people. They've maybe kicked addiction. I got

1355
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,119
a friend of mine right now did a podcast with him. Andrew.

1356
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:22,159
He meditates fifteen minutes every morning, changed his life, helps

1357
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:25,239
him to be mindful, helps him to set the intention

1358
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:31,399
for the day. Has a static encounter, beautiful encounters, and

1359
01:27:31,439 --> 01:27:36,520
you're going to find people on both sides. You go

1360
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:43,800
to find people who disagree and crap on everything. It's

1361
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,880
just the truth. So for you to say aliens or demons,

1362
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:52,720
I got some other people who have other encounters and

1363
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,159
they'll tell you something different. Really when it comes to uthology,

1364
01:27:56,279 --> 01:27:59,680
and you know my standpoint. I started off following this stuff,

1365
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:03,359
studying this stuff in Christianity, not really because I was

1366
01:28:03,399 --> 01:28:05,760
fascinated as a kid. I was scared of them as

1367
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:10,600
a kid. Though then I became a Christian and I

1368
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,880
got into you, following to you as a Christian. But

1369
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:16,000
they were all saying the same thing, and I felt

1370
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:19,359
like they had an agenda. Most of them were saying

1371
01:28:19,359 --> 01:28:22,520
that there were demons. You know, because you go to

1372
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:24,560
your favorite pastor, that's what they're going to tell you.

1373
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,039
But if you approach any of these subjects with an

1374
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:33,119
open mind and listen to more than one person, you're

1375
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:34,640
going to find out this. It's a little bit more

1376
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:40,479
eclectic than you think, But cognitive dissonance prevents us from

1377
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,920
stepping out of our comfort zone looking into other ideas

1378
01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:49,359
or even we have these ideas that we cling to

1379
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:53,439
and they become idols unto us, a belief system, a

1380
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:58,079
church whatever. That was one of my big problems and

1381
01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:00,920
still is one of my biggest problems with religion and

1382
01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:11,359
church is the fact that your pastor believes one thing,

1383
01:29:13,359 --> 01:29:18,039
and it's the agreed upon doctrine of the denomination, of

1384
01:29:18,079 --> 01:29:25,800
the denomination, and if he has a revelation, a divine encounter,

1385
01:29:25,880 --> 01:29:29,119
maybe he read something in the Bible that was illuminated

1386
01:29:29,159 --> 01:29:35,000
to him about something that they're teaching that's wrong. They're

1387
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:46,039
teaching something that's wrong, and the I'm sorry, Brenda, I

1388
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:50,159
don't have the phone lines open. And that pastor finds

1389
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:53,680
out this new information, he can't teach it. He has

1390
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,399
to teach the agreed upon doctrine of the church. He

1391
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:02,119
has to teach the agreed upon doctrine of the assemblies

1392
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:06,039
of God, of the Church, of Christ, of whatever, whoever,

1393
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:08,760
and I don't. That's one thing, man. You have to

1394
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,600
you have to be open to think that, to think

1395
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,199
that you have the corner, to think that you have

1396
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:17,560
the market cornered, to think that you are to know

1397
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:22,479
at all, that you understand it all, you know, especially

1398
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,960
people when they're young. Let's look at Stephen Bancards. It's

1399
01:30:25,079 --> 01:30:28,079
the dude who like just became a Christian. Now he's

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01:30:28,079 --> 01:30:30,800
an expert on all of it. He just he just

1401
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,000
got born again, praise God. He was into some things,

1402
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,079
he got in over his head. You know, he met Jesus,

1403
01:30:39,239 --> 01:30:42,239
changed his life. That's a beautiful story. But now he's

1404
01:30:42,279 --> 01:30:45,640
an expert on Christianity. Now he's an expert on the

1405
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:49,680
New Age and all this kind of stuff. So I

1406
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:51,720
don't believe it. I'm not buying it, just like I

1407
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,359
don't believe Stephen Bankcards is an expert. I don't believe

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01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:59,239
Corey Good is an expert. I'm sorry. I don't believe

1409
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:02,600
that most of these peopleeople who you hail as experts.

1410
01:31:03,159 --> 01:31:06,039
Are they well spoken? Maybe? Do they wear a nice suit?

1411
01:31:06,079 --> 01:31:08,319
Do they got a great presentation? Do they speak at

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01:31:08,319 --> 01:31:12,479
the conferences? Maybe? Does that make them an expert? No,

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01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:17,520
not at all. Maybe they're older, Maybe they speak with

1414
01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:22,720
an authority even though they're speaking BS. They speak BS

1415
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,479
with authority and so much so that we just believe it.

1416
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:30,039
We just were convinced by their performance, by their aura,

1417
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:34,039
you know, we think that they're telling us the truth.

1418
01:31:34,399 --> 01:31:39,520
Maybe they speak with an accent, maybe they speak like

1419
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:46,760
Graham Hancock, maybe they speak like Richard Dolan. Right, we

1420
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,439
just believe them because it's just like we're just like enamored,

1421
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,640
like they sound smart. Maybe I feel that way because

1422
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:56,960
I don't think I sound smart. Right, people listening to

1423
01:31:57,039 --> 01:31:58,479
this and I get made fun of all the time

1424
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,960
in the comment sections about how hood I am or

1425
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,119
how I think I'm black? Who's this jobh Turkey? Like,

1426
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:09,319
I get all those weird comments, you know, but truth

1427
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:10,840
is truth at the end of the day. It doesn't

1428
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:15,720
matter who's speaking it, man, But you have to move

1429
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:20,560
past the packaging. At the end of the day, truth

1430
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:26,560
speaks for itself. It stands for itself. And you know,

1431
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:29,479
I deal with a lot of people, especially a lot

1432
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,520
of Christians, who would say, you know, truth is found

1433
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:36,039
in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus says, I'm the

1434
01:32:36,079 --> 01:32:37,880
way the truth in the life. No man comes to

1435
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,640
the Father except by me. I believe that. But I

1436
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:45,600
believe that what that means and what that represents isn't

1437
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,399
what you think. You think that means about agreeing to

1438
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,439
your church doctrine, coming and being baptized at your church.

1439
01:32:53,279 --> 01:32:56,840
Let us all speak the same things and essentially become lemmings.

1440
01:32:57,359 --> 01:33:01,720
It doesn't mean that it's not what that means. He said,

1441
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:03,479
I'm the way the truth in the life. He's talking

1442
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,800
about love, man. He love is the way the truth

1443
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,439
in the life. Because all those people who name the

1444
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,680
name of Christ that is a part of your denomination,

1445
01:33:12,199 --> 01:33:16,199
that is the part of your churches. They're racists, they're

1446
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:20,439
bigoted it. They're the biggest gossipers, they're the biggest backbiters.

1447
01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:25,079
Yeah they're performing miracles, Yes they're helping the poor. But

1448
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:27,399
Jesus said, look, depart from me. I never knew you.

1449
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,119
Why do you say you love me and you don't

1450
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:32,800
do the things that I tell you to do. It

1451
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:37,600
gets a little bit complicated, if you will, of what

1452
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:43,800
is truth. Jesus is truth until we start talking about aliens.

1453
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:49,279
Jesus is truth, until we start talking about tithing, until

1454
01:33:49,319 --> 01:33:52,840
we start talking about prophesying, until we start talking about

1455
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,239
speaking in tongues. Then it's not about Jesus anymore, and

1456
01:33:56,319 --> 01:33:59,960
it's about these other things that a company the religion,

1457
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:03,319
and it's okay to talk about these things. It's okay

1458
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:08,159
to differ in your opinions of these things. It really is.

1459
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:18,000
It's not okay to lash out, it's not okay to gossip,

1460
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:26,039
it's not okay to name call, slander. That's not okay.

1461
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,680
And so that's what accompanies a lot of these different

1462
01:34:31,159 --> 01:34:38,920
ideologies religious beliefs. Though how different we may be, we're

1463
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:45,680
all the same at the end of the day. Those

1464
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:58,039
people are not your enemy that we wrestle. We do

1465
01:34:58,119 --> 01:35:02,319
not wrestle against flesh and blood, but with powers and

1466
01:35:02,359 --> 01:35:06,079
principalities and have only places. That person is not your enemy.

1467
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,479
A person is your brother, your sister. So that person

1468
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:15,720
might need help, and you may be the one to

1469
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,199
help them, especially if you can discern what they're going through. Right,

1470
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:24,560
if you can discern what they're going through and discern

1471
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,319
the spirits that are on them, you've learned how to

1472
01:35:27,319 --> 01:35:29,359
do it, you have an eye for that and ear

1473
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:34,960
for that. Then what back bite, gossip, slander, kick them out.

1474
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:41,159
You've discerned it, you've done well. You've done well. But

1475
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:44,399
then what is greater is he that is in me?

1476
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:50,279
Or is greater is he that is in them? Greater

1477
01:35:50,399 --> 01:35:54,640
is he that is in them? No greater is he

1478
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:56,439
that is in me than he that is in the world.

1479
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:58,960
This is not a battle of flesh and blood. It's

1480
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:03,880
a spiritual battle. Howers and principalities, thought forms, ideas. People have,

1481
01:36:04,319 --> 01:36:07,520
people of research stuff that you wouldn't even begin to fathom.

1482
01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:10,720
They've opened up dortles and portals to other realms that

1483
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:16,600
they cannot close. And they need help. They need help.

1484
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,880
Who's gonna help them? Me? I can't help everybody your

1485
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,239
pastor No, he ain't finna help. He's gonna showed you

1486
01:36:23,279 --> 01:36:30,000
that we are people, man, Chris Garner tribe. Yeah, that's

1487
01:36:30,039 --> 01:36:33,560
the eclectic man. We are peculiar people. The Bible says,

1488
01:36:35,119 --> 01:36:39,640
differences of opinion, differences of beliefs. I mean, every one

1489
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,640
of us is different. But we're beautiful man, and what

1490
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,359
we bring to the table, and you have to train

1491
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:49,720
yourself to honor that. It's like default to find out

1492
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,319
what makes us different, to honor what makes us, what

1493
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,560
makes us different? Man? And just being I'm just intrigued

1494
01:36:58,399 --> 01:37:02,239
with their process. What did they learn? Why do you

1495
01:37:02,319 --> 01:37:04,640
feel this way? What did they say to you. What

1496
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,520
did they do to you? Why do you feel this

1497
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:16,760
way about what? Everything about religion? Definitely? Why do you

1498
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,439
think it's okay to have seventeen wives? Let me let's

1499
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:25,600
get to the bottom of that's a that's interesting, okay,

1500
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,119
if people believe crazy stuff, man, why do you believe

1501
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:31,159
in aliens? True sequel? Let me tell you. Let me

1502
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:35,920
tell you. Listen to a couple podcasts, get past the intro,

1503
01:37:36,119 --> 01:37:40,640
stay a little bit longer, let us reason right. One

1504
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,000
of the fruits of the spirits is long suffering. Being

1505
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:46,520
able to suffer long ways with someone, regardless of what

1506
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:52,159
they believe, regardless of how offended you are. Is walking

1507
01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:57,039
in your power, knowing who you are and not being

1508
01:37:57,079 --> 01:38:01,640
a chameleon, not being one who is easily pushed around

1509
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,439
by every wind of doctrine. Some of you guys are

1510
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:09,760
like that, I've been there. You got to know who

1511
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,840
you are, or you allow these other people to tell

1512
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:20,520
you who you are just a chameleon. Just blend in

1513
01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:27,800
with the environment you loved. Man. I woke up with

1514
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,119
this word on my heart this morning, really strong for

1515
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:38,680
my life and for you too. But seek godly counsel,

1516
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:47,239
Seek godly counsel. There is wisdom in a multitude of counsel.

1517
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:54,119
Seek godly counsel. Get direction. Quit trying to be a

1518
01:38:54,199 --> 01:39:02,479
lone horse, be a rebel, lone ranger. There's power in numbers.

1519
01:39:03,039 --> 01:39:07,720
Where two or three come together and agree, touching on anything.

1520
01:39:08,279 --> 01:39:10,640
There I am in the midst of them, where two

1521
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,520
or three are gathered in My name, There I am

1522
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:15,520
in the midst. If one can set a thousand of flight,

1523
01:39:16,039 --> 01:39:18,399
two can set ten thousand a flight. How many if

1524
01:39:18,439 --> 01:39:20,680
we got six or seven, how many if we got

1525
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,960
eight or nine. Look what Jesus did with twelve twelve people.

1526
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,520
Each one reached one. Each one of those people went often,

1527
01:39:30,399 --> 01:39:36,760
got twelve under them, trained them up in righteousness. They

1528
01:39:36,800 --> 01:39:38,880
trained twelve up. They went out and changed the world.

1529
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:44,640
We're having this conversation now, twelve people, power, numbers, power

1530
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:52,199
and unity, long suffering, the spirit. Seek godly counsel, man,

1531
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:59,520
I mean, what's the opposite of that. It's seeking ungodly counsel,

1532
01:40:01,399 --> 01:40:04,439
going to the council of the wicked. What is that?

1533
01:40:05,239 --> 01:40:09,840
She say? It's the media. Turn on your television, scroll

1534
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:20,399
through your Facebook. You'll see you'll see it's power and numbers. Man.

1535
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,359
There's a unity in the spirit of the Brethren, that

1536
01:40:25,159 --> 01:40:31,239
nothing and no one can take away from you, the

1537
01:40:31,319 --> 01:40:38,119
spirit of Christ. It's all about love. Man. At the

1538
01:40:38,199 --> 01:40:41,840
end of the day, that was on my heart. I

1539
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:49,560
sent out some messages this morning and took sought godly counsel,

1540
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,439
hit up some godly people that I believe in. You

1541
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:59,159
do the same. Find people. Surround yourself with, people of vision,

1542
01:41:00,079 --> 01:41:03,359
people of valor, people who are not easily swayed, people

1543
01:41:03,359 --> 01:41:10,560
who walk in love, a supernatural love, a love for

1544
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:17,640
the broken, a love for the falling, a love regardless

1545
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:23,560
of beliefs. Look for those people. Those are the others,

1546
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:25,520
those are the ones, Those are the people you need,

1547
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:29,760
whoever they may be. And you're going to go through

1548
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,159
your own challenges. You got to prove what you believe.

1549
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:40,039
Make sure you believe it. You've been talking a good game.

1550
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:46,880
Now it's testing. Do you really believe it? Do you

1551
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:50,760
really love people? What about this person who brings out

1552
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,960
the worst in you? They exist me. I'm telling it's

1553
01:41:55,960 --> 01:42:00,800
still me. I get it, man, I get it. I

1554
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:06,319
choose love. I choose peace. The Bible says that if

1555
01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:12,119
it's possible to lift peaceably with all men, if it's possible,

1556
01:42:12,199 --> 01:42:20,680
speak evil of No man, I'm trying. We're all tempted.

1557
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,199
We're all tried. We all have to prove what we

1558
01:42:23,279 --> 01:42:26,640
really believe. Those names come up, those people come up.

1559
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:31,960
People want to reach out and touch somebody. They bring

1560
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:36,760
out the worst in you. You've been hurt, wounded, made

1561
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:45,720
fun of, laughed at, ridiculed, forgotten, picked over. No, bless them, actively,

1562
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:49,800
bless them, call their name, bring their name before the

1563
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:52,960
throne of the Father. You have an eye for a reason.

1564
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:54,600
I'm telling you, this is why we got to talk

1565
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,279
about this stuff. We move in the prophetic. We are

1566
01:42:58,319 --> 01:43:00,840
a people of the spirit. Most people who even listening

1567
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:04,520
this deep into this conversation are people who have had

1568
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:08,560
spiritual encounters. It's birth something within them. They're more sensitive

1569
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,319
to the spirit realm. They're empathic, they know what people

1570
01:43:11,359 --> 01:43:20,079
are thinking. With that comes great responsibility. You'll go mad. Yeah,

1571
01:43:20,119 --> 01:43:21,560
I just had a guest on the other day talked

1572
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,960
about a Kundalini awakening. It will kill you, it will

1573
01:43:25,039 --> 01:43:29,319
drive you insane. And guess what, some people don't make it.

1574
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:37,760
Some people don't make it. It's true those even now,

1575
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:43,079
people who you're best friends that never turn on you. You

1576
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,399
never know. There's always a line that people are not

1577
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:52,079
willing to go past. Look at Jesus. He's speaking of

1578
01:43:52,119 --> 01:43:57,479
five thousand people blowing their minds, sharing wisdom, sharing knowledge,

1579
01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:03,119
the beatitudes telling him about love. Man blowing their minds,

1580
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:08,079
and then he hits them with something deep and they said, man,

1581
01:44:08,119 --> 01:44:09,960
what the hell is he talking about? And he turned.

1582
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:14,920
They left. They said, this dude is crazy. Due they

1583
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:18,800
found that line, they couldn't follow him any further. It's like, well,

1584
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,920
multitude of people is only just a few people left

1585
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:24,439
with him after that because they understood what he was

1586
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:32,520
talking about. They understood what he was talking about being

1587
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:39,039
able to long suffer. People are going to walk with you. Man,

1588
01:44:39,039 --> 01:44:42,640
you're gonna offend people. You're gonna get offended. Don't let

1589
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:48,000
that take root. Bitterness and offense will kill you, choke

1590
01:44:48,079 --> 01:44:55,399
you out. You'll take it to the grave with you. Bitter, mad, triggered,

1591
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:00,880
even at a people group. You're mad at a people group.

1592
01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:05,399
I got friends who don't like black people. They were

1593
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:08,920
beat up by a black person, robbed by black people.

1594
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,359
Now they don't like any black people. They think all

1595
01:45:11,359 --> 01:45:15,920
black people are you know, they're triggered. They I got

1596
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:20,520
friends who don't like cops, cops kill black people, cops

1597
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:25,199
or this, Cops do that, never call the cops, never snitch,

1598
01:45:25,359 --> 01:45:29,439
none of that. They have these weird preconceived notions, and

1599
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,800
they judge all people, just like we were talking about earlier,

1600
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:37,600
just judging all aliens or demons, all aliens or this.

1601
01:45:38,039 --> 01:45:42,079
All black people are this, All Mexicans are that. No,

1602
01:45:43,399 --> 01:45:46,960
come on, man, if you have any of those stigmas,

1603
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:52,279
any of those triggers, you gotta move past it. They

1604
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:54,399
exist for a reason. I've been talking about this a lot.

1605
01:45:55,239 --> 01:46:00,039
The triggers exist for a reason. Your heart racist for

1606
01:46:00,119 --> 01:46:03,119
a reason. Why does your heart race? Because you have

1607
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:07,399
an open wound? And what if somebody's about to touch

1608
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:09,520
that open wound? You know it, it's fin hurt, it's

1609
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:12,159
finna hurt. Don't touch it, so you're protective of it.

1610
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:16,399
It's not healed, it's not even scar tissue. It's still open.

1611
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:19,920
And someone touches that wound, you get triggered and you

1612
01:46:20,039 --> 01:46:23,239
jump and you get defensive and you protect it. And

1613
01:46:23,279 --> 01:46:27,319
that's how we are with our belief systems, with our fears,

1614
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,600
with our faith, with our folly, with all of it.

1615
01:46:31,279 --> 01:46:33,319
We're protective of it. But it's a good thing, because

1616
01:46:33,399 --> 01:46:36,119
to know why my heart's racing, to know why I

1617
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:39,159
don't want to have this conversation. Let me address that.

1618
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,760
We're talking about assension, we're talking about enlightenment, we're talking

1619
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,920
about healing. You have to go to the places that hurt.

1620
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,640
You have to deal with the brokenness, no matter where

1621
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:51,680
it is, at any level of your life. All of

1622
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:54,520
us are at different places. And the deeper you go,

1623
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:58,319
the more of that al chemical healing process you're gonna

1624
01:46:58,319 --> 01:47:04,399
have to deal with. Because it gets deep. The word

1625
01:47:04,439 --> 01:47:08,279
of God is sharper than any two edges of sword.

1626
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:12,560
It's able to decipher between the flesh and between the spirit.

1627
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,760
The Word of God is like gazing into a Bible.

1628
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:19,199
You start reading about yourself, these different layers of yourself,

1629
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:23,520
the egoic mind, how selfish you are, throwing all that

1630
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:26,640
stuff off, and then eventually when you get the healing.

1631
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:33,720
When you get the healing, you want others to be

1632
01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:40,079
healed as well. You want others to be healed as well.

1633
01:47:41,079 --> 01:47:43,960
And you want to tell people because you found the light.

1634
01:47:45,319 --> 01:47:49,520
I got friends who preach on street corners. They found

1635
01:47:49,560 --> 01:47:54,159
the light, at least their light, and they want to

1636
01:47:54,159 --> 01:47:57,159
tell people I got friends who become vegans. They want

1637
01:47:57,159 --> 01:48:04,199
to tell people. Friends who've had UFO encounters. They want

1638
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:09,079
to tell people, had friends who have ayahuasca, psilocybin, mushroom encounters.

1639
01:48:09,319 --> 01:48:14,479
Guess what they want to tell people. It's helped them.

1640
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You have what everybody everyone is looking for. You've experienced that,

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01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:20,600
You've encountered it. You want to share it good. You

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01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:23,760
would be selfish to keep it in. You be selfish

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01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:29,479
not to tell anyone it's good. Well, most of us

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01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:35,640
out here have a zeal without knowledge. You have the zeal,

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01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,920
which is beautiful, But you have to do the knowledge.

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01:48:38,399 --> 01:48:44,760
You have to show grace, long suffering. Let your actions.

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01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:52,520
Let your words be seasoned with salt. It preserves it,

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01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:56,720
Salt heals it. Talking about people are hurting, man, people

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01:48:56,760 --> 01:49:01,039
are dying, that have open wounds, and are words are salt.

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01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:07,119
We can even heal with our words. Season every conversation

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01:49:07,399 --> 01:49:10,680
seasoned with salt. You guys know, we've been talking about

1652
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:14,359
casting out demons just through conversation. Hey, I'm just talking,

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01:49:15,439 --> 01:49:25,359
but I'm mission minded, I'm intentional. Every conversation season with salt.

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01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,960
Preservers of the earth, the manifestations of the sons and

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01:49:30,079 --> 01:49:33,319
daughters of God, that the whole and the entire creation

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01:49:33,479 --> 01:49:37,159
is waiting on you to stop playing games and get

1657
01:49:37,239 --> 01:49:49,359
your act together, the whole all of creation truth. Anyhow,

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01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:55,159
Hey man, I really love you guys and enjoy these conversations.

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01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:00,800
My guests was an awesome, awesome guest, doctor Irena Scott.

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01:50:01,039 --> 01:50:05,800
She's got some really cool books. Uphology is very near

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01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:08,600
and dear to my heart. The angelic, the demonic even

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01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,159
is very near and dear to my heart. I want

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01:50:10,199 --> 01:50:12,000
to know how it operates. I want to know how

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01:50:12,079 --> 01:50:16,119
not to get possessed. You know what I'm saying. So

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01:50:16,319 --> 01:50:18,199
I study this stuff and I know a lot of

1666
01:50:18,199 --> 01:50:22,119
you guys do too. And having these conversations opens up

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01:50:22,279 --> 01:50:25,520
because we've been places that other people don't have to go,

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01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:29,199
and you don't have to get possessed. I was already there.

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01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:33,239
Let me tell you what it looks like. Right. There

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01:50:33,279 --> 01:50:37,600
is a warning, but there's also a call to come

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01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:44,600
exploration beyond your wildest dreams that comes through a relation ship,

1672
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:49,560
in an encounter with the Father of Lights, with the

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01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,239
thing who, the being, the essence that created all of this,

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01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:59,239
each one of us to beckon to come and die. Coming.

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01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,640
Now you're self. Take up your cross and follow me,

1676
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:05,600
he said, But in doing In doing that, you find

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01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:09,399
out that you will truly live. In order to receive

1678
01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:13,319
your life, you must lose it. But he who loses

1679
01:51:13,359 --> 01:51:17,800
his life will find it. You have to be born again. Man.

1680
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:26,279
I'm hearing all these beautiful stories, the the Kundalini Awakening

1681
01:51:26,319 --> 01:51:29,279
with with my friend uh Lola Scarborough the other day.

1682
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,960
She said, I just felt like I was just born again,

1683
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:41,560
born a second time, renewed the fire, cleansing it cleanses, cleansing,

1684
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:44,479
flat fire. We all need that daily, man, Stir it

1685
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:53,800
up beyond your wildest dreams. It's real. Reading the comments,

1686
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:03,039
everybody had beautiful encounters. Shout out to everybody in the chat.

1687
01:52:05,319 --> 01:52:14,479
Karen on Facebook, the Facebook, the other streaming video here

1688
01:52:14,840 --> 01:52:23,359
comments quit working, but he gets this weird person LB.

1689
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:25,960
He just keeps commenting all over my stuff. Just some

1690
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,399
weird like promo. That's kind of weird. That's done away

1691
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:34,039
with just promoting your stuff on other people's videos. That's

1692
01:52:34,039 --> 01:52:36,000
what we used to do back in the day. That's

1693
01:52:36,039 --> 01:52:40,039
why my Space fell apart because it all you got

1694
01:52:40,079 --> 01:52:43,680
was spam from rappers and artists trying to promote their

1695
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,479
mixtapes and they would just flood your inbox and flood

1696
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:48,840
your comments. And people still do that. They think that

1697
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:52,960
that's that works. Don't do that, LB, get you some

1698
01:52:55,239 --> 01:53:05,159
research SEO and research ads. How to do ads, targeted

1699
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:07,600
ads to people who are into what you have to

1700
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:13,840
offer for real? Do it. You don't have to spam

1701
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:22,680
people's stuff. It happens. So yeah, let's say I'm gonn

1702
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,239
read the comments section. Wren says, love you, Thanks for

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01:53:25,319 --> 01:53:28,000
your boldness and declaring God's heart. We need more of

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01:53:28,039 --> 01:53:30,159
that and we'll call us to mature and grow in

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01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:34,479
love for sure, man, for sure. Christian says he loves

1706
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:36,560
the T shirt and made his day True Seek. His

1707
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:39,520
face was so funny. Yeah, let me see if I can.

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01:53:40,039 --> 01:53:41,479
I don't know if I can have it here again.

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01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:46,000
Let's see. I think it's I don't know, I think

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01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,119
it's here. Let's see bing right there. So there's the

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01:53:49,159 --> 01:53:51,439
T shirt for all of you guys watching. I've got

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01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:55,119
a bunch of shirts. Man, we have these T shirts.

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01:53:55,159 --> 01:54:00,520
We have beautiful truth seekret coffee mugs. Trying to be

1714
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:03,800
creative man with different ways to support the podcast. You

1715
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:09,720
know we have you know, the music's there. It only

1716
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,640
brings in so much money, not a lot, because people

1717
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,199
just downloads, you know, they download stuff for free or

1718
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:18,880
listen to it on YouTube. Trying to find creative ways

1719
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:25,399
to promote to get the the podcast out there. But

1720
01:54:25,399 --> 01:54:28,279
then again, we got some cool T shirts so you

1721
01:54:28,319 --> 01:54:30,159
can look you can support the show and look good

1722
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:34,760
at the same time, you can look good doing it right.

1723
01:54:35,039 --> 01:54:37,520
Just go to trucicka dot com. There's a link there,

1724
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:40,319
click on shop. All of those shops are different though,

1725
01:54:40,319 --> 01:54:42,159
so shot the T shirts is one link, and then

1726
01:54:42,199 --> 01:54:44,520
there's a link for music, and then the link for

1727
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,840
digital music and all that stuff. The best way to

1728
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:50,800
support is via Patreon. Man, it really helps us fund

1729
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:53,000
what we're trying to do. And I know people are

1730
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:56,239
going through a hard time right now financially, not a

1731
01:54:56,279 --> 01:54:59,319
lot of people are able to help. But a little

1732
01:54:59,319 --> 01:55:02,319
bit goes along way. So just a little bit, if

1733
01:55:02,319 --> 01:55:06,399
it's five dollars, ten dollars a dollar, like a little

1734
01:55:07,079 --> 01:55:09,840
little as much when God's in it, right, a little

1735
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,119
bit goes a long way. So if you're able to support,

1736
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:15,640
if you if you believe in in the work, I'm

1737
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:18,319
asking you to support. Just whatever you're able to do. Man,

1738
01:55:18,399 --> 01:55:22,239
just anything helps. So thank you guys who have been supporting.

1739
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:24,920
Thank you guys who believe in my work. I really

1740
01:55:25,279 --> 01:55:28,479
could and I should just go through the comment section

1741
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,680
and just go through my inbox and show you the

1742
01:55:31,800 --> 01:55:40,000
people whose lives are impacted by this. By this. Why look,

1743
01:55:40,319 --> 01:55:43,039
God uses the fish, the foolish things of the world

1744
01:55:43,039 --> 01:55:47,319
to confound the wise. How can God use a interview

1745
01:55:47,479 --> 01:55:53,239
about UFOs and aliens to spark a light and change

1746
01:55:53,239 --> 01:55:57,560
someone's life. I remember I used to get a lot

1747
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,760
of comments when people say I listened to your podcast.

1748
01:56:00,079 --> 01:56:03,800
I love the conversation, but I watch for the post

1749
01:56:03,960 --> 01:56:08,880
podcast discussion. I really watch to hear the post podcast

1750
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:16,199
discuss discussions. And that's that's the ministry. That's why we

1751
01:56:16,279 --> 01:56:20,600
do it. Get you here, you got some truth in it.

1752
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:24,560
I like UFOs, like aliens. I'm intrigued by the conversation.

1753
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:26,560
I love it. I got something to add. I've got

1754
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:30,159
encounters we all do, right, But it's something deeper, man,

1755
01:56:30,399 --> 01:56:33,600
It's something spiritual that connects us all. And I'm telling

1756
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:38,600
you it's crazy. I praise God, you know. So Financially

1757
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,520
it's a you know, I don't make a lot of

1758
01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,039
money doing this, and this is a listener supporter thing

1759
01:56:43,079 --> 01:56:45,680
that I've taken on. I do trust God that he

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01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,000
has called me to this, and uh, you know he'll

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01:56:49,119 --> 01:56:51,319
if he gives me the vision, he'll also give me

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01:56:51,359 --> 01:56:55,680
the provision to make it happen. But again, if you're

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01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:59,439
able to give, if you believe in the work, sign

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01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,159
up for my pay. Any level of giving really helps.

1765
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:06,960
We were trying to do an event, you know, we

1766
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:08,920
I've been promoting it and I had to kind of

1767
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:10,720
quit promoting it because we had to cancel it. So

1768
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:13,279
we had an event scheduled was going to be in

1769
01:57:13,399 --> 01:57:15,560
counter Memphis. We were going to be in Memphis like

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01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:22,880
next week and doing a workshop, doing a concert, healing retreat,

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01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:26,520
seminar or whatever. It was going to be good. We

1772
01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:30,199
was all, you know, looking forward to it, but we

1773
01:57:30,199 --> 01:57:32,760
weren't able to sell enough tickets and we weren't even

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01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:35,640
able to pay for the building, so we had to

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01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,279
cancel the event. So, you know, it is it is

1776
01:57:38,319 --> 01:57:41,039
my vision to to do more things like that and

1777
01:57:41,079 --> 01:57:45,520
to really step out and so you know, supporting my

1778
01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,000
work was going to open up doors so that we

1779
01:57:48,039 --> 01:57:51,600
can do that. So we want to travel, get out there.

1780
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:53,600
We have a tribe. It's not just me. There's a

1781
01:57:53,600 --> 01:57:56,600
bunch of people. We've interviewed a bunch of them and

1782
01:57:56,680 --> 01:57:59,319
we're going to interview more. Shout out to Chris Garner,

1783
01:57:59,319 --> 01:58:00,760
he's going to be on here in a couple of weeks.

1784
01:58:00,840 --> 01:58:04,720
Good friend of mine. It's gonna be good. But yeah,

1785
01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,279
there's a lot of people and we want to get

1786
01:58:06,279 --> 01:58:10,159
out there, want to travel and do some engagements and

1787
01:58:10,199 --> 01:58:12,479
some weekends and some activations. There's a lot we can

1788
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:15,000
do from the computer, and we're going to do it.

1789
01:58:15,239 --> 01:58:18,199
I'm going to do it. But if there's something different

1790
01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:20,920
about being able to be there together as a family

1791
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:24,319
and to press in together, you know what I'm saying,

1792
01:58:24,319 --> 01:58:28,439
to engage having together, to pray together, to eat together,

1793
01:58:28,600 --> 01:58:33,600
to fellowship together. Heck to do karaoke together. Right, it's

1794
01:58:33,640 --> 01:58:37,479
just hang out, man, We're a family. And again Patreon

1795
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:40,640
dot com back slash Trusika. I know people fall upon

1796
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:43,760
hard times and not everyone's able to give, but a

1797
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:45,960
little goes a long way. So thank you guys who've

1798
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:49,399
been faithful and supporting and you just you know what

1799
01:58:49,439 --> 01:58:51,560
I'm saying, believe in what I'm doing, and I thank

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01:58:51,560 --> 01:58:54,680
you and my family. Thanks you so with that, I'm

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01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:58,159
gonna say peace and shalom. Really enjoyed this conversation, loved

1802
01:58:58,439 --> 01:59:03,079
hanging out with everyone in the live stream in the

1803
01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:06,279
chat makes it beautiful, Alie says, do a show of

1804
01:59:06,359 --> 01:59:10,000
answered prayers through this podcast. It's not a boastful or prideful.

1805
01:59:10,039 --> 01:59:16,439
It's helping and it's miraculous. Oh yeah, yeah. There's so

1806
01:59:16,479 --> 01:59:21,159
many people who have just been touched by it, and

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01:59:22,479 --> 01:59:25,640
it still blows my mind. You know, it really does,

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01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:29,720
because you know, but it's intentional. We are mission minded.

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01:59:30,880 --> 01:59:34,279
Even though it just seems like we're talking about aliens.

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01:59:34,279 --> 01:59:38,600
Something deeper, I'm talking about the one who created the aliens.

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I love y'all. Man piece and shalom. I'm gonna get

1812
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,039
off of here. If you're not a member of our discord,

1813
01:59:45,439 --> 01:59:47,399
the link is in the description hang out with us.

1814
01:59:47,399 --> 01:59:51,199
We hang out there. You could talk on your cell phone,

1815
01:59:51,279 --> 01:59:53,920
on your computer, wherever it is. Hang out with us

1816
01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,359
on Discord. We'd love to have you there. And if

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01:59:56,359 --> 01:59:58,079
you'd like to talk to me, I'm available there. A

1818
01:59:58,119 --> 01:59:59,880
lot of people want to text me and message me,

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02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,720
send me all these messages. I rather just jump on

1820
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,720
jumping discord and give you a few minutes and just

1821
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:10,720
talk to you. Right. I'm better at that then, will you?

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02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:13,319
You do you know what I'm saying. I just it's

1823
02:00:13,359 --> 02:00:17,359
not as personal for me. Discord is awesome. Taking advantage

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02:00:17,359 --> 02:00:22,239
of it. Holler at you, love y'all, Peace and shaloon.

1825
02:00:22,840 --> 02:00:26,439
Go buy my t shirt. Extra to the gift shop

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02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:29,039
buy the T shirt peace.

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Speaker 4: So much, so much, so much, so much.

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02:00:41,600 --> 02:00:43,439
Speaker 3: Well that doesn't for this episode. Folks.

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02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:46,600
Speaker 2: To hear more episodes of The Truth Seca podcast, head

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02:00:46,600 --> 02:00:49,000
over to truththka dot com, and if you're wanting to

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02:00:49,039 --> 02:00:52,600
support the show and get rewards, go to our Patreon page.

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02:00:52,319 --> 02:00:53,720
Speaker 3: At patreon dot com.

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Speaker 2: Forward slash truth Sika