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the end of the last hour, I read from the
Network Contagion Research Institute the NCRI. It's out of Rutgers
University Social Perception Lab, and the name of the research
piece was called assassination culture. How burning tesla's and killing
billionaires became a meme esthetic for political violence. And in
the report it talks about how so left leaning, ideological
young people, highly online younger and ideologically left aligned users
have embraced violence. And here are some of the stats.
Murder justification. Thirty one percent and thirty eight percent of
respondents said it would be at least somewhat justified to
murder Musk and Trump, respectively, So thirty one percent said, yeah,
you could. You can assassinate Musk and thirty eight percent
yes for the president. These effects were largely driven by
respondents that self identified as left of center, with forty
eight percent and fifty five percent, So forty eight percent
justifying murdering Musk and fifty five percent Trump. These are
young people left or sorry, these are left of center
cohorts okay, So just the left of center has a
much higher rate, a higher chunk of the left leaning
people say it's okay. Property destruction forty percent stated it
is at least somewhat acceptable to destroy a Tesla dealership
in protest. Again, support for violence is part of a
broader assassination culture underpinned by psychological and ideological factors. Regarding
the psychological, you know who Jordan Peterson is. I've played
clips of him. I've watched his stuff for years. I've
watched so Jordan Peterson, I'll start at the beginning. He
was a university professor up in Toronto, and he taught psychiatry.
And he was a clinical psychiatrist, which means that he
also has a practice. And he would see clients and
he would deal with like some really dark personality types
with serious problems and such, and what he started doing
was putting his lectures up onto YouTube, just his classroom lectures.
He would put them on YouTube, and I've watched many
of those lectures just to you know, learn what I
could from this psychiatrist. And he then made news when
he refused to use the pronouns of his students who
were transgender, and Canada tried to pass the law that
said he had to do it, and he was like,
I'm not doing that. I'm a psychiatrist and everybody in
my field knows that you do not placate and indulge
the fantasies of your patients. You don't do that. The
only way for the patient to overcome the dysphoria is
to tell them that this is not true, and then
let's look at why you think it is. But about
I don't know, two seconds ago, as a society, everybody
decided to just throw all of that information out the
window because it served some other purpose, you know, much
like wearing masks to combat the respiratory virus. Right. So
that's what landed him sort of in the public eye
and people. He was one of the first people you
can call it cancel culture or you know, opening shots
in the culture war. Or whatever. But he was fighting
against the Canadian government which went full authoritarian. He was
fighting against the university and the Canadian government regarding the
pronoun issue. And this was after the HB TOO debate
down here in North Carolina. So this story blows up.
I believe that people really became a more people became
really aware of him when he went on the Joe
Rogan podcast Joe Rogan, if you don't know, he was
the former host of Fear Factor. He's a MMA fighter
MC right, so he's like the guy who calls the
matches and stuff. But he started doing this podcast a
long time ago, like I don't know, ten years ago
or something, and it was just him talking to people
that he thought were interesting, and the podcast blew up.
It was like it still is, like a three hour
podcast and people just sit around. You know the famous
images of Elon Musk smoking weed that you see on
the Twitter and Facebook, the little meme you know Elon
Musk like hmm, this isn't so bad, like with the
arched eyebrow look that came from the Joe Rogan show. Okay,
because that's what he would do. He would sit around,
he would drink, he would have you know coffee, you
would smoke weed and they would just have conversations for
three hours in the podcast explodes and it is like
the number one podcast in the world. And Jordan Peterson
went on that podcast, and I think that sort of
like launched him into what I think a lot of
people would sort of identify as like the right wing ecosystem.
Right people now became more aware of who this guy is,
and Jordan Peterson has since become even more famous. He
no longer is at the University of Toronto. He now
he does. And I saw him when he came to Charlotte.
He did a presentation in Charlotte at the time Warner
Sorry Spectrum Arena. And he also wrote a book called
Twelve Rules for Life, and his whole purpose has been
dedicated to getting people, predominantly, as it turns out, young men,
to understand the importance and the value of responsibility and
that's really where you find meaning in your life. And
for example, one of the rules in his book Twelve
Rules for Life was before you change the world, pick
up your room, which makes sense. How can you possibly
order an entire globe or a society if you cannot
even order this tiny little corner of the world that
you have total control over. You can do what you
want in this room and if you want to. He
talks about, you know, the importance of that kind of order.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: He says like, there are people who are too rigid
in their order, and he has treated patients that are
too far there, and one of the things he always
tells them is, go get a dog. Right, people who
are too ordered, too rigid, get a dog. It will
introduce chaos. But on the other end of the spectrum
is chaos. And you don't want to be a disordered
or chaotic mind either, because then you know you're flighty.
You can't commit to stuff, and you know you get
overwhelmed with all of the things and you cannot be
counted on. And so he is. And so that's sort
of a I know, it's probably not even I have
not pulled his official bio or anything like that, but
he's written several books, he does lectures, he's part of
the Daily Wire operation. They brought him in house. He
does a podcast too, So he's now become very big
as well. I and I can only speak for myself.
I find him to be brilliant. I can't understand some
of the stuff that he talks about without like going
line by line and looking up the words he's using
and researching what it is that he's talking about. He
did an entire series on Exodus from the Bible. He
is now I've noticed over the last I don't know
two years, talks a lot more about the Biblical lessons.
Like he he strips away the metaphysical, the miracles and
that stuff, and he talks about the meaning of these
stories and why they are still true and why they
are so important to understand, and these truths that are
revealed to people over the course of you know, millennia,
that they have that they have value, and that is
why they have persisted, and woe unto us who forget
these things. And then there's another guy named James Lindsay.
I have also quoted him. I have read a lot
of the stuff he has written. He does a podcast
as well. He he speaks in even deeper academic philosophical
language that I struggle to understand some of THEFF A
lot of the stuff that he does too. But this
was one of the guys that started ripping down wokeism
before anybody else. He, along with Helen Pluckrose and Peter Bargosian.
They wrote a series of fake academic papers essentially mocking wokeism,
and then got them published in these supposedly peer reviewed
academic journals in the soft sciences, so like, you know,
soft sciences, like not chemistry, not biology, stuff like you know,
women's hut, not literature. I keep thinking of women's lit.
But it's not that, but like women's studies, gender studies,
queer studies, like that kind of stuff in these supposedly
peer reviewed publications that were doing you know, serious academic research,
and they submitted these stories, these fake papers, and got
them published in order to prove that it's a fraud.
This stuff is all fraudulent. As long as you come
to a conclusion that the publishers want to see replicated
or want to see published, that's it. That's all that matters.
And after that he lost his position as a professor.
He was a math teacher, he is a math professor.
And it finally was exposed and he has now launched
his whole career. He's been battling wocism and all of this,
which brings us to the woke right, because wokism is
understood to be of the left right, and what he
identified about two years ago was this bubbling up of
the similar tactics and psychology among people on the right,
and it has now grown into darn near all out
battle inside the right wing ecosystem podcasts and blogs and stuff.
And yesterday Jordan Peterson went back onto the Joe Rogan podcast.
I watched it, and Peterson addresses some of this woke
rite stuff on that podcast. I'll let you hear a
couple of the highlights. All right, if you're listening to
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more transparent. This is an AI generated definition of woke right. Okay,
what does woke right mean? In my AI voice, it
refers to a faction. No, it probably wouldn't sound like that.
They got the inflection down better. The woke right refers
to a faction within conservative circles that adopts identity politics
and social justice rhetoric similar to the woke left, often
framing issues around race, gender, and depression. From a right
wing perspective, This movement has emerged as a response to
what they perceive as the excesses of leftist identity politics,
creating a parallel discourse that emphasizes grievances of white, Christian
and male identities. Right, so this is a reaction to
woke left.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Some people argue that some of these people that are
quote woke right, that this is essentially designed to gut
the rise of populism, the rise of conservatism. In other words,
it's sort of a you know, an insider oppositional group,
all right. So, and I'm just trying to lay the
groundwork here because like this term woke right, there's debate
about whether or not this is the appropriate term or not.
Some people like it, some people hate it. Even people
who see it and say they are trying to fight
against it, they don't like the term. But whatever. James Lindsay, basically,
I think came up with this term because I've been
watching him on Twitter for the last year or so,
and he has been I've seen him talk about like
what should this thing be called? Now? Jordan Peterson, who
I mentioned earlier, the I think I called him a psychiatrist.
He's a psychologist. That's different. So he went on to
Twitter after his Joe Rogan appearance went up live yesterday
and he wrote, it's not woke right and woke left allah.
James lindsay, although his diagnosis is not far off, he's
off target because it's not political. The problem is deeper
than the political, it's nearer the psychological, And he says,
bordering on the metaphysical. It's not right versus left, or
red versus blue, or Republican versus democrat, or conservative versus liberal.
Its cluster b psychopaths, dark tech, trad personalities against everyone
including themselves, manipulative language aimed at self serving ends, narcissism,
the desire to gain reputational status without competence or effort.
The desire to gain reputational status without competence or effort.
And then he talks about how predatory parasitism otherwise known
as psychopathy and sadism positive delight in the unnecessary suffering
of others. What Peterson asserts and does so in this
interview with Joe Rogan is that there is a certain
percentage of the population at all times, really four to
five percent, that are psychopathic in some way. And those
types of people will always be attracted to positions of power.
And it's not that they agree with whatever that power
structure advocates. It's not that they are ideological. They simply
use the ideology to advance what their psychological needs are. Right,
they are the wolf in sheep's clothing. They talk like you,
they act like you. They say they agree with you,
they say stuff they make you rally around them, but
they don't believe it. They don't care about any of that.
It doesn't matter to them. What matters is the power,
the reputational status, or the sadism. He goes through the
ten markers of what he calls political psycho pathology, and
the first one, well, ten markers. I will go through
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them now because I ran out of time. Obviously. The
ten markers of political psychopathology self positioning at the extreme
edge of a group or ideological identity, right, so positioning
yourself at the fringe of a particular ideology. Two repeated
public claims of ideological or religious identity, and purity to
garner attention and increase social rank. I am this. I
am on the fringe. I'm much more leftist or righty
than you are. I'm a bigger maga than you. Right
and purity tests. You disagree with me on one thing,
and that's it. You're a traitor. You are not you know,
you're not part of the movement or whatever. Three a
pattern of repeated public protests. Four false cries of victimization.
I've talked about this before, the tendency for interpersonal victimization TIV.
When you see yourself as a victim, it becomes almost
impossible to ever break out of that way of thinking.
People who are actual victims of crime, violence, and the like, right,
they work through this stuff with therapy, so they are
no longer seeing themselves primarily as an identity of a victim.
Because when you see yourself that way, there's a whole
host of problems that come with it. Next, aggressive calls
for reparation or vengeance. Well, we just turned an example
of that with that George Mason University econ student right,
absence of remorse, guilt or empathy, dramatic theatrical behavior, and
extreme emotional variability, reputation, savaging, social exclusion, and mobbing, particularly
when you're anonymous, right, whipping up mobs against people, and
you're an anonymous account online. He's talking about political psychopathology
and particularly how it occurs in the virtual space online,
extreme entitlement and self aggrandizement, heightened instability in and fragility
of interpersonal and social relationships. In other words, he says,
the beliefs or convictions held by the politically psycho pathological
are not beliefs or convictions at all. They are instead
the sheep's clothing of the eternal wolves, the tools used
to manipulate the unwitting, naive and insufficiently discriminating. This when
I heard him talk about this on the Joe Rogan podcast,
he also appeared. Peterson also appeared on Hannity Show and
talked a little bit about it with Hannity. This to me,
is not new. He put it in a way in
a psychological framing that I had not heard before. But
the concept, to me, is not new. I identified this
during the Bush era, the George W. Bush era, when
Republicans were ascended and they had taken control over you know,
the White House, they had the House and Senate. They
they were the party in charge, and there were a
lot of people that glombed on to the Republican Party.
And this was understood. This everybody understand I thought everybody
understood this phenomenon. I never attached any kind of, you know,
psychological diagnosis to it or anything. I just knew that
people who seek power are going to glom onto the vehicles.
They're going to get into the vehicle that gets them
to the power. And when Republicans ascended to power, then
you had people that were not conserved vatives. You had
people who did not agree with the Republican platform and
they saw it as a vehicle to be closer to power,
and so they joined up with the Republicans, right, I mean,
that's obvious. And when we were going through the debate
about the Iraq War and the neo cons and all
of this stuff, it was it was pretty clear, right,
you had people who had differing views about things that
were now somehow part of the Republican Party but didn't
really have any kind of a historical record of being
a conservative. Yet here they are, Peterson says. The politically
psychopathological are those who we are are those we are
warned about in the commandment thou shalt not take the
name of the Lord, thy God in vain because the
politically psychopathological are the pharisees, the false quote unquote religious
leaders who don the clothing of the righteous while pursuing
their own narrowly self serving and even purposefully destructive ends.
In the mythic world, they are the allies of pride,
the enemies of the true quest, and the servants of
the Prince of lies. Okay, so Peterson is approaching this
from a psychological, clinical psychologist posture. Right, he is identifying
the similar traits that people on the quote unquote woke
right have and the similarities they have with the people
on the woke left, and they are similar. And what
James Lindsay is identifying is like this thread of communism. Now,
I think the threads are are intertwined because I look
at communism as a religion, and I look at communism
as a religion born of Satan, like I don't know
any other system that you would create in order to
end up with the body count of communism like that
ideology is responsible for untold suffering and death and destruction.
So if you were Satan and you wanted to make
a political or economic philosophy like this is the way
you would do it. So to me it makes sense
that these the hallmarks of communism, and James Lindsay, self
described anti communist, like this is the like to me,
this is the overlap in the then diagram. To put
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of laid out sort of the background save for one element.
The one element is a couple of weeks ago, an
author cultural commentator guy British dude named Douglas Murray. Douglas
Murray appeared on the Joe Rogan podcast because he has
a new book out and it's about the Israeli Hamas
conflict and Peterson or Douglas Murray is I think fair
to say pro Israel in that conflict. And he was
invited to be on the Joe Rogan podcast. He had
been on the Joe Rogan podcast several times before, but
this time apparently it was insisted by Rogan. According to
the reports I have seen that Rogan would not have
Douglas Murray on the show alone, as he had on
all previous occasions, but to talk about this topic, he
brought on a guy by the name of Dave Smith,
who is a friend of Joe Rogan's has his own podcast,
is a stand up comedian guy. From what I understand,
I've never seen any of his work. And Dave Smith
is a libertarian, and I don't want to say he's
pro Hamas because he doesn't ever say that, but he
says he's anti war. He's against the bombing of the children,
and that's his whole thing. And so Rogan brought Dave
Smith on in order to create this debate between the two. Now,
none of that was made public beforehand. So Murray and
Smith have this debate. You can go back and watch it.
You can make your own conclusions about who won, who lost,
or whatever. But that's typically not the format that Rogan uses.
He has, don't get me wrong, he has, but usually
it's him talking to one person and it's just a conversation.
But this was framed as more of a debate over
the Israeli abbass war. And again I'm not going to
go into any of what was said there, but that
was sort of the flash point that lit the fuse.
Because on the woke right, whatever you want to call it,
in certain areas of the right wing ecosystem, there is
this bubbling up dare I say boiling anti Semitism, and
it is. It has broken through on occasion with some
pretty big names in the right wing media podcast world.
I think I heard it referred to as podcast is
Stand or something like that. And so when when Peterson
comes on, one of the things that he talks with
Rogan about is essentially gatekeeping and how do you as
the host ensure that you are not quote unquote platforming
these various people. And if I said the names, depending
on how deep you are into this ecosystem, you would
not know them. But the guys like Ian Carol, Darryl
Cooper who goes by the name Martyr Maid. I've actually
read Martyr Maide's tweets on occasion. Martyr Maide aka Daryl
Cooper was the one who said, you know, maybe Churchill
wasn't the hero, he was the villain or whatever. And
then people are like, that's out of context, and everything
is a whole fight about that. So these these little
skirmishes have been occurring over the last year. You also
then have like the Andrew Tates uh was Dan Bulsarian
or think it is his name right? And was the
other one well, Tucker Carlson is part of that. There
are there are other voices over in this area that
have platformed on their own shows or have said themselves
things that to be charitable, can be construed as anti semitism,
not simply criticism of Israel, but anti semitism, okay, blaming
the Jews for everything. So here is what. And so
when Peterson comes on, he has he starts off talking
and we're going to get into that in a bit,
but the gatekeeping function. But then he also talks about
what he was talking about in this piece about the
psychopathy of people that glom on to movements. Right, these
psychopaths who four to five percent of the population, attach
themselves to powerful movements or institutions and they don't care
about whatever it is the ideology is being expressed or
why the institution exists.
Speaker 1: I think that virtualization has enabled the psychopaths, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, without a doubt.
Speaker 1: That's a terrible thing, because the psychopathic types, they're always
the death of everything. Like I'm seeing this come up
on the right now, So imagine imagine this. I've been
working on a new a new theory of political psychopathology
and I like it quite a lot. Is this where
the term the woke right comes in. Yeah, well Lindsay
is pointing at that, but he hasn't got he hasn't
got the diagnosis exactly right. So it isn't woke. That's
not the issue. It's not exactly one level talking about
is like similar types of behavior. He is talking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Just lets you clarify in your head. Oh it's like that. Yeah,
But the problem is absolutely But the problem is is
that that argument is predicated on the claim that the
ideas are the like the woke ideas for example, on
the right or the left. But that's not the problem.
The problem is that four to five percent of the
population something like that is cluster b. That's the DSM
five terms histrionic, narcissistic, antisocial, psychopathic, or they have and
they have dark tetred traits, they're Machiavelian, they're sadistic. That's
about four percent. Okay, So the question is how do
these people maneuver And the answer is they go to
where the power is and they adopt those ideas and
they put themselves even on the forefront of that. But
the ideas are completely irrelevant. All they're doing is they're
the Pharisees. They're the modern version of the Pharisees. They're
the people who use God's name in vain, right is
They proclaim moral virtue doesn't matter whether it's right or left,
or Christian or Jewish or Islam. They invade the idea
of space, and then they use that those ideas as
false weapons to a answer their narcissistic advantage. And so
then you have the problem. And the Right's going to
face this more and more, particularly because the Left had
to face it when they were in powers. Yes, how
do you identify the psychopathic parasites four percent of the
population who are clothed in your clothing and waving your flags,
but who are only in it for narcissistic benefit?
Speaker 2: And I think this is the key question. People are
this fight now is raging, But I think that's the question.
How do you identify these kinds of people that are
in your ranks when they seem to agree with you
on things? How do you identify them? And then how
do you get rid of them? How do you root
them out? Right? That's the question. I believe. All right,
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