Speaker 1: Howdy Garry Jeff Walter back on this Monday night at
Speaker 1: President's Day, and at the top of tonight's show, the
Speaker 1: question is are you a pet person or not? You
Speaker 1: got a doggie or a kiddy that you're just enamored
Speaker 1: with and feel like your life wouldn't be complete without
Speaker 1: that other living creature sharing your domicile. Some people are
Speaker 1: pet people, some people are not. I, for one, have
Speaker 1: always been a pet person, and I wasn't really a
Speaker 1: cat person growing up. We always had dogs when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. I think there was Potzi the cocker
Speaker 1: Spaniel when we lived in South Carolina. We moved to
Speaker 1: Illinois and I had Fluffy and prints into Tennessee. And
Speaker 1: then when I got out in the world on my own,
Speaker 1: I started dating girls or in a couple of cases,
Speaker 1: married some women who happened to have cats. They loved cats,
Speaker 1: so I learned to love cats over there, so at
Speaker 1: least some cats, but most recently, and you may have
Speaker 1: heard this earlier on a show that I was on
Speaker 1: for Scott Sloan on Friday, when I found out in
Speaker 1: the middle of the show that my beloved cat dog
Speaker 1: and I'll explain in a minute, Brooksy had suddenly passed away,
Speaker 1: hadn't been sick or anything like that, and it just
Speaker 1: was such a shock. So the weekend was a time
Speaker 1: to ponder and reflect on the great memories that my
Speaker 1: wife christ to two point zero and I had with
Speaker 1: Brooksy the cat dog. Why was Brooksy a cat dog? Well,
Speaker 1: when we got him from the Kenton County County Amino Boy,
Speaker 1: it's easy for me to say Kenton County Animal Shelter,
Speaker 1: and he was just about eight weeks old. We vowed
Speaker 1: that we would keep him inside the house, but we
Speaker 1: liked to spend some time, especially when the weather's warm,
Speaker 1: out of the front porch and sit and listen to music,
Speaker 1: and we wanted him to be able to enjoy that.
Speaker 1: So when he was about three months old, we'd had
Speaker 1: him for about a month, I bought a harness at
Speaker 1: a pet store and just tried it on him. And
Speaker 1: of course cats, you know how cats are with things
Speaker 1: around their body. You tie a sock around a cat's body,
Speaker 1: it'll just fall over or be completely paralyzed. And it
Speaker 1: took a couple of times putting the harness on Brooksy,
Speaker 1: but eventually he got used to it and he could
Speaker 1: walk around with it and didn't mine. So I got
Speaker 1: a run a little line tied to the porch and
Speaker 1: a leash, and I'd put on Brooksy's harness, and I said,
Speaker 1: you want to go outside, and his eyesould get real
Speaker 1: wide and open, and I'd take him out. Sometimes we
Speaker 1: went out with him. Other times he was just out
Speaker 1: on his own and enjoined the great outdoors. Brooksy protected
Speaker 1: that yard. It was his yard. When he was out there,
Speaker 1: he could only go to the sidewalk and no further.
Speaker 1: Couldn't get to the road, thank god. He only weaseled
Speaker 1: his way out of the harness a couple of times.
Speaker 1: But anyway, and if a dog or another cat, god forbid,
Speaker 1: came into one blade of grass into Brooksy's yard, he
Speaker 1: was right there, claws out, ready to attack. There were
Speaker 1: a couple of dogs that came with bloody noses, and
Speaker 1: we apologized to the owners, but you know, their dog
Speaker 1: was in Brooksy's yard. It wasn't like the cat was
Speaker 1: going out looking for trouble. Just don't come in my yard.
Speaker 1: He followed us around like a puppy dog. I mean,
Speaker 1: everywhere we went. If the cat wasn't asleep, he was
Speaker 1: right on our heels. Sometimes underfoot and sometimes that got
Speaker 1: him stepped on. Sometimes it tripped us up. But he
Speaker 1: just had to be with us. We couldn't go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom alone. This cat was like Velcrow. And then
Speaker 1: he played fetch. I've got video of him playing fetch
Speaker 1: and me walking him on his leash out on the
Speaker 1: sidewalk because occasionally I do that. But Brooksy was unlike
Speaker 1: any other cat or animal I've ever been around, just
Speaker 1: for affection and for I don't know, adherence to a
Speaker 1: lifestyle that we all shared. And if you've had a
Speaker 1: pet like that, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: If you haven't, one time in your life, try it,
Speaker 1: you might like it. I got a friend Doug Monson
Speaker 1: and Ripley who always refers to his wife's aging dog,
Speaker 1: Bella as the damn dog. Some people are like that,
Speaker 1: I get it, but not me and Chris to two
Speaker 1: point zero. It was such a shock because, as I said,
Speaker 1: Brooksy or Garth Brooks his official name, that's what I
Speaker 1: named him when we got him from the animal shelter,
Speaker 1: Garth Brooks was just his own unique being. And we
Speaker 1: all are as God's creations. We're all individual creations. No
Speaker 1: two are exactly alike, but Brooksy was very special. Finally
Speaker 1: getting over the fog of the grief. It just happened
Speaker 1: this past Friday, And thank you to everyone who heard
Speaker 1: me in real time as I'm finding out about this
Speaker 1: and totally losing it on the air the last part
Speaker 1: of Scott's Loan Show last Friday. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for the officer of support and prayers and condolences for
Speaker 1: what was for us a great loss. God has a plan,
Speaker 1: we don't always know what that is, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: that Brooksy will help us, along with God's help, to
Speaker 1: pick out another little furry beast to bring home and
Speaker 1: maybe I can train him to be just like the
Speaker 1: cat dog. Maybe not, but Brooksy is one of a
Speaker 1: kind and he's now joined our other deceased cat friend, Hobbes,
Speaker 1: who Christa had for fifteen years, in the sideyard, resting comfortably.
Speaker 1: I hope and pray. But if you're a pet person,
Speaker 1: if you're a cat person, if you're a dog person,
Speaker 1: Brooksy was a little bit of both, and we're going
Speaker 1: to miss him so much. With that said, on with
Speaker 1: the show. It's the Nightcap and it's President's Day. I'm
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Walker, seven hundred WLW Whitson, who was sacrificing
Speaker 1: a few minutes of his vacation at Cumberland, which I
Speaker 1: imagine is kind of soggy to talk with us about
Speaker 1: the Saturday Night Live fifty anniversary special last night, which
Speaker 1: I also watched and also mainly enjoyed. I got a
Speaker 1: little annoyed with some of the stuff, but overall it
Speaker 1: was a very good presentation. I thought of blending all
Speaker 1: of the heritage and the wonderfulness of the early days
Speaker 1: of Saturday Night Live and through the years with the
Speaker 1: new cast and reintroducing some of the stars that we
Speaker 1: remember from years past on Saturday Night Live, the television show.
Speaker 1: It's not been one of my favorite shows for probably
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years, but in the beginning in nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 1: many people my age really glommed onto it as a
Speaker 1: kind of a mainstay of comedy on TV, something that
Speaker 1: wasn't there before Saturday Night Live, before SNL, and it
Speaker 1: was nice to see a lot of those people brought back.
Speaker 1: But Rick was watching two and I guess caught up
Speaker 1: with some DVR stuff today that he'd missed last night.
Speaker 1: I watched the entire thing that was almost three and
Speaker 1: a half hours. But it's it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: sit and look at anything for three and a half hours.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have really much of a choice because
Speaker 1: my brain was locked in on watching this special Rick Robinson,
Speaker 1: Good afternoon or good evening, and tell me how are
Speaker 1: you doing right now? Are you at Cumberland? Are you
Speaker 1: out of the flood zone.
Speaker 2: I am out of the flood zone, but I am
Speaker 2: looking out.
Speaker 3: At a river that is telling me it does not
Speaker 3: want to be fished.
Speaker 2: So yeah, a little cold, little blown out. So we're
Speaker 2: going to be doing a little bit of work around
Speaker 2: the property here for my brother in law and then
Speaker 2: go on to that. Hey, last night, I got to
Speaker 2: tell you last night. They had me from the very beginning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because when they had.
Speaker 2: The Old and the New singing Homeward Bound. I mean
Speaker 2: that was such a part of the early show. The music,
Speaker 2: I mean, on the on the first couple of episodes,
Speaker 2: it was more music than it was comedy and sketches.
Speaker 4: Oh, I remember, they went out and did these things.
Speaker 4: They did all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And so for Paul Simon to come in, you know,
Speaker 2: death in one to hear can barely hear out of
Speaker 2: the other come in with a new performer. It brought
Speaker 2: tears to my eyes, Garry Jeff It really did. Their
Speaker 2: version of Homework Bound, you know, was just a matter
Speaker 2: of such grace, such beauty Simon, Paul Simon looking.
Speaker 3: Over at her knowing that he couldn't hit her notes.
Speaker 2: Anymore, and her coming back down in the sound instead
Speaker 2: of going up.
Speaker 4: It was. It was brilliant.
Speaker 2: It was one of the best productions of that song
Speaker 2: I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter with Paul Simon was a perfect marriage. And
Speaker 1: you can see why she was so lauded at the
Speaker 1: just completed Grammy Awards. And I'll tell you something else,
Speaker 1: another musical performance that it's something I normally would not
Speaker 1: enjoy because I don't like hip hop rap. I enjoyed
Speaker 1: Lil Wayne and the Roots. And it was because it
Speaker 1: reminded me so much of the avant garde and the
Speaker 1: different kind of musical acts that Saturday Night Live would
Speaker 1: feature over the years, from Patty smythe to you name it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got to remember back in the early days,
Speaker 2: they brought on people like the POGs. They brought on
Speaker 2: people like Elvis Costello when nobody knew who the hell
Speaker 2: Elvis Costello was, right, I agree, So it was just
Speaker 2: this coming back and listening to that, and again I
Speaker 2: think the opening song and the opening monologue they had me.
Speaker 2: They had me for the three and a half hours.
Speaker 2: Well actually you didn't because I got tired of went.
Speaker 4: To bed, but I caught it up today. So on
Speaker 4: the rest of them.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I would have done as a
Speaker 2: writer was at the end. If you remember when we
Speaker 2: were first watching Saturday Night, they offered for reunion a
Speaker 2: couple thousand bucks.
Speaker 4: It's the Beatles would reunite on the show.
Speaker 2: How mariem would it have been that the last song
Speaker 2: when Paul McCartney finished, Lauren michaels, you know if you
Speaker 2: would have had Ringo on drubms and Lauren came up
Speaker 2: and gave him the check.
Speaker 4: Oh fifty years ago.
Speaker 1: It was it was a million dollars. It was a
Speaker 1: million dollars, uh for all for I thought it was.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a million bucks. Maybe not.
Speaker 4: I thought I thought it was a nominal number.
Speaker 2: And the line was you could make your own decision
Speaker 2: whether or not.
Speaker 4: You share any with Ringo that's up to you.
Speaker 1: I remember that part that was nineteen seventy six, that
Speaker 1: that offering was.
Speaker 2: Seventy six, That was, you know, and it was it
Speaker 2: was a time frame for me when I would schedule
Speaker 2: my Saturday nights based upon when I could be home
Speaker 2: at mom and Dad's department sitting down watching Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a rich woe for me, absolute
Speaker 2: rich one. So that last night was such a wonderful time.
Speaker 4: And I know the.
Speaker 2: Parts that you didn't like, But here's what happened in
Speaker 2: last night that hasn't happened in years. Was that I
Speaker 2: think they poked fun it's funny and not pokes on
Speaker 2: at taking Marty short off by ice and say.
Speaker 4: That he was going to be sent back to Canada.
Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant, I thought that was I thought that was
Speaker 2: a brilliant piece of writing.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't mind that as much. I saw it
Speaker 1: as comedy and not as political. Uh opposition to President.
Speaker 4: I thought that was comedy. Uh, brilliant. I did.
Speaker 1: I did not enjoy the Lawrence Welk segment right at
Speaker 1: the top. I really didn't. I didn't. It didn't connect
Speaker 1: with me in a comedic way at all. I love
Speaker 1: I love the reintroduction of Eddie Murphy in places and
Speaker 1: that was good.
Speaker 2: And to think Murphy was a vast cast Vanburg last.
Speaker 4: Night, he was Brollian. He was brilliant.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And I liked the almost Broadway type homage
Speaker 1: to New York through the years of Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1: I love that that piece was brilliant.
Speaker 2: That's John Mullaney's that's John mullaney strong point. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: doing the Broadway musicals.
Speaker 1: I love Black Jeopardy too. I gotta be gotta be honest.
Speaker 4: With you, and then Doug Wander's gonna be end.
Speaker 1: And my the one of the crowning moments for me
Speaker 1: was Adam Sandler in his homage to all of the
Speaker 1: cast members of Saturday Night Live over the years, the
Speaker 1: fifty years thing.
Speaker 4: I thought that was again just something that was over
Speaker 4: the top. Loved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: I could have watched the whole thing without the skits,
Speaker 2: because I wasn't. Last Night to me wasn't about whatever
Speaker 2: the skit was. It was about who do they bring on,
Speaker 2: how do they pay tribute, how do they how do
Speaker 2: they figure out the last fifty years?
Speaker 1: And they could have done it differently in other reunion
Speaker 1: shows of Saturday Night Live over the years, they have
Speaker 1: featured more of the archive cliffs. But I thought that
Speaker 1: they did a good blend of you know that the
Speaker 1: current cast members and the archival footage. The John Belushi
Speaker 1: Don't Look Back in Anger skit is one of the
Speaker 1: old time classics. The Tom Schiller short film where Belushi's
Speaker 1: going through the graveyard. It's it's one of the classics
Speaker 1: of television.
Speaker 2: To me, John Belushi dancing on the grave of the
Speaker 2: graves of his solo cast members is again that was
Speaker 2: something at the time. I remember watching that the night
Speaker 2: it was on and going, this is absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and it.
Speaker 2: Was in such a good place to put it in
Speaker 2: the show last night.
Speaker 4: It was fun. You know. I ended up being going
Speaker 4: one time to Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask, did you ever go to
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live in New York?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, so we were.
Speaker 2: We had just moved back from Washington and practicing law
Speaker 2: here in Northern Kentucky.
Speaker 4: I look in and see if there's going to be
Speaker 4: a show that.
Speaker 2: Night at Vegas Supper Club. It's probably before your time
Speaker 2: in Northern Kentucky. It's torn down now, but they.
Speaker 1: Were doing a Now, this is different. This is different
Speaker 1: than Beverly Hills Separate Club. This was another one.
Speaker 4: It's different than Beverly. This is out in their lanker.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, this was out in their linger and
Speaker 2: Martin put this thing together and they were having a
Speaker 2: show to celebrate that the local cable company at the time,
Speaker 2: with Store Cable, was going to bring on this new
Speaker 2: channel called Comedy Central, and they were going to have
Speaker 2: a night of comedy and at the end of the
Speaker 2: night they were going to give away two tickets to Saturday.
Speaker 4: Night Live, all expense paid up in back room, everything,
Speaker 4: spending money, the whole bit.
Speaker 2: Well, we go out there to see this and we
Speaker 2: sit in the front road as we always do it
Speaker 2: comedy shows. At the end of the show, the guy
Speaker 2: looks down and goes.
Speaker 3: You sitting the yellow hat or a yellow T shirt.
Speaker 4: With a loud voice, why don't you come up and
Speaker 4: pick a name out? I pull a name out of the.
Speaker 2: Hat, and the guy goes, Ladies and gentlemen for the
Speaker 2: trip to New York City, all expensive day, where's Rick Robinson?
Speaker 4: I pulled my own DM name out of the hat?
Speaker 5: Saras.
Speaker 2: So we go to Saturday. We go to Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 2: We uh David Schwimmer was the guest host. Natalie Merchant
Speaker 2: was the music was.
Speaker 4: The musical guest, and we had to go.
Speaker 2: They bring us upstairs before all the crowd comes up,
Speaker 2: and we had to go to Lauren Michael's office to
Speaker 2: get our tickets because we were using his special tickets
Speaker 2: that he had given up, his nightly tickets that he
Speaker 2: had given up so that these could promote this Comedy
Speaker 2: Central thing. We go into Lauren Michael's office and I
Speaker 2: look at window and I said, watch the door.
Speaker 4: She's like, what are you gonna do.
Speaker 2: I picked up the phone and called my buddy Jeff's
Speaker 2: land and Collect and I just said, except the charges,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hang out.
Speaker 4: He accepted the charges.
Speaker 2: Just so I could take somebody and show him his
Speaker 2: phone bill later and go see I.
Speaker 4: Was in Lorden Michael's office.
Speaker 6: This is its phone number.
Speaker 4: That's so stupid. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, some people, some people get unusual glee out
Speaker 1: of the weirdest things. But anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So I walk outside and there's the interesting part about
Speaker 2: it is they're in rehearsal as they do.
Speaker 4: They have.
Speaker 2: They have a long rehearsal right before they come on air.
Speaker 2: They have a long rehearsal and if you don't get
Speaker 2: to last in your rehearsal, you get cut.
Speaker 4: Well, now, the funny thing is we.
Speaker 2: Walk out of there because where people are running in
Speaker 2: and out of studio A A A and going back
Speaker 2: and for Worth and doing all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And Norm McDonald comes storming into the hallway, coat tied,
Speaker 4: blue suit.
Speaker 2: Cut off jeeps and flip floss again. Gets hot, gets
Speaker 2: hot in the studio right, but he's running around and
Speaker 2: screaming what was the score of the game? And I
Speaker 2: forget what it was, but it was it was whether
Speaker 2: it was the Seminoles or the Braids.
Speaker 4: But it had to do with tomahawk chop.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: If the team won, great, choked went one way. If
Speaker 2: the team lost, it wasn't the other. So we had
Speaker 2: just been at a bar and I looked at him
Speaker 2: and I said, you know, and I can't again, I
Speaker 2: can't remember if it was Braids or Seminoles, but I said,
Speaker 2: all they want.
Speaker 4: He said great, great. He's writing down and looked at
Speaker 4: me because the.
Speaker 2: Bleeper, you know, you know, and you didn't want to
Speaker 2: say I'm some guy that had to pull my own
Speaker 2: name out of a hatch in.
Speaker 1: Order to be here. It's a great story. You got
Speaker 1: so many of them, Rick Robinson, thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I felt like we were probably having
Speaker 1: some of the same reactions to the bits last night
Speaker 1: on the SNL fiftieth anniversary. It was worth watching, It
Speaker 1: really was, and worth TV are worth watching. But thank
Speaker 1: you so much, and enjoy the rest of your week
Speaker 1: at Cumberland. Don't get rained out, brother, all right, thanks man,
Speaker 1: you got it. Peter Bronson on President's Day, next news,
Speaker 1: It is President's Day and we're up to number forty
Speaker 1: seven on the list here as far as United States
Speaker 1: presidents since seventeen eighty three, Yeah, was the first president elected,
Speaker 1: the father of our country, George Washington. And to chat
Speaker 1: about this with my favorite historian, Peter Bronson as well
Speaker 1: as my good friend to talk for the next half
Speaker 1: hour about president's and their connections to Ohio and Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we could call it specifically presidents in our past,
Speaker 7: presidents in our past, or maybe even in our future. Really,
Speaker 7: I mean, we do have a Cincinnatian who is now
Speaker 7: in the White House as VP. That could be the
Speaker 7: next president.
Speaker 1: No question. JD. Van event could be the man in
Speaker 1: twenty eight you never know, very possible, or even Ditten
Speaker 1: farther down the road, you got to consider him the
Speaker 1: front runner right now. What what what is it about
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio specifically and since is it because
Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the country. Is it because
Speaker 1: it was the frontier as our country was expanding? What
Speaker 1: is it that makes this area so critical?
Speaker 7: All of the above, plus seat of power in the
Speaker 7: federal government, plus the fact that Cincinnati or Cincinnati and Ohio,
Speaker 7: Ohio has always been the swing state. So you never
Speaker 7: until the year two thousand when Biden won with that
Speaker 7: amazing seventy six million or whatever reclaimed he had, nobody
Speaker 7: had won the presidency without Ohio that I can recall.
Speaker 7: In so you had to win Ohio. So it was
Speaker 7: always good to have somebody from Ohio on your ticket.
Speaker 7: But also if you go way back then you have
Speaker 7: Cincinnati in the eighteen sixties was the sixth biggest city
Speaker 7: in the country, and it was the place where everything
Speaker 7: was happening. It was the center of the hub between
Speaker 7: East and West.
Speaker 1: Well because as commerce was expanding and the country was expanding.
Speaker 1: It's right here on the river.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: It was a major dropping off, a jumping off point from.
Speaker 7: We were the Chicago of the Midwest in those days. Yeah, right, absolutely,
Speaker 7: I'm looking at the names. Peter compiled a list for me.
Speaker 7: He's doing my research for me.
Speaker 1: I'll make sure you get a percentage of the whatever
Speaker 1: it is, the pittance that they pay. Let's kind of
Speaker 1: work backwards through this list of presidents in our past.
Speaker 1: And since Sheri and you mentioned JD. Vance, Richard Nixon.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, there are a couple that are interesting. One
Speaker 7: he was a very close friend of the publisher The
Speaker 7: Inquirer at the time, so he made many visits to
Speaker 7: the city of Cincinnati. But also in my research for
Speaker 7: my book called Not in Our Town, the Battle against
Speaker 7: Larry Flint, the fight that Cincinnati waged for decency, when
Speaker 7: Cincinnati was on the front of that battle and all
Speaker 7: the other cities were afraid of being looking to prudy
Speaker 7: sh if they fought Larry Flint and his ilk.
Speaker 1: Mainly the mob it was. It was Richard Nixon.
Speaker 7: If you recall the Mease Commission that was so hated
Speaker 7: by the left in the media or I repeat myself.
Speaker 1: The memmission.
Speaker 7: Was the first that really laid out the facts for
Speaker 7: the public and said, look this porn stuff, this is
Speaker 7: all mob stuff, and it is not a victimist victimless crime.
Speaker 1: If you ever take a look. I have apy of
Speaker 1: it for my research.
Speaker 7: The examples that he brought forward of horrible human lives
Speaker 7: damaged by the porn industry were shocking. And the people
Speaker 7: that served on that commission, including Charlie Keating from Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: He was on it.
Speaker 7: He was one of the people who led that battle.
Speaker 7: So we had Cincinnati had a real dog in that fight.
Speaker 1: All right, LBJ. You always do you think about Texas
Speaker 1: with LBJ, But the Cincinnati connection.
Speaker 7: The Cincinnati connection is a little bit more remote, but
Speaker 7: still good. I ran across that one in my research
Speaker 7: for the book called Forbidden Fruit since Cities Underworld and
Speaker 7: the supper Club inferno, which was that after the Kennedy
Speaker 7: after JFK was shot and LBJ took over, and that
Speaker 7: whole assassination thing has roots that are verifiable. You can
Speaker 7: connect the dots right back to the battle in Newport
Speaker 7: when Bobby Kennedy came to town and cleaned up Newport.
Speaker 7: The Mob declared a vendetta on the Kennedys, and from
Speaker 7: there on they began talking about killing him. And one
Speaker 7: of the reasons they wanted to kill him was because
Speaker 7: he'd been fighting so big against Jimmy Hoffe.
Speaker 1: Well, so you take that from Newport forward. The first thing.
Speaker 7: LBJ did was he totally got rid of Bobby Kennedy
Speaker 7: and as Attorney General, which was doing the mob's bidding.
Speaker 7: And he also became declared Jugar Hoover.
Speaker 1: Who was about to be fired.
Speaker 7: He declared j Edgar Hoover the FBI director for life.
Speaker 7: Because LBJ had a lot of skeletons in his closet
Speaker 7: and j Edgar Hoover, the director of the FBI, knew
Speaker 7: where they all were.
Speaker 1: I think that LBJ has some skeletons in his closet
Speaker 1: that haven't been revealed yet. Yeah, I do too. Speaking
Speaker 1: of which, JFK's connections.
Speaker 7: JFK's connections, he came through Newport when Newport was still
Speaker 7: wild and controlled by the Mob in nineteen fifteen. He
Speaker 7: came through here sitting in the back of an open car,
Speaker 7: and there's a picture of him, a sort of locally
Speaker 7: famous picture and that's one of the last pictures you'll
Speaker 7: ever see of a president sitting in the president sitting
Speaker 7: in the back of an open car.
Speaker 1: But it was common campaign tactics. Then, well, there's obvious
Speaker 1: things about Warren G. Harding. He was from Ohio, yes,
Speaker 1: And and William Howard Taft.
Speaker 7: And another little item about Warrang G. Hiding Harding, the
Speaker 7: hit man for the mob in Newport, I by the
Speaker 7: name of Red Masterson, claimed to have killed more than
Speaker 7: one hundred people by himself, and he also liked to
Speaker 7: talk about his connections all the way to the Harding
Speaker 7: White House. Harding's personal secretary came from Kentucky and when
Speaker 7: it was a close friend of Red Masterson. And Red
Speaker 7: Masterson is mobbed up as you can get. So we're
Speaker 7: looking at mob connections from Newport to the White House.
Speaker 1: One term president and Supreme Court Justice William Howard Taft.
Speaker 7: Not much there about except being from Cincinnati and being
Speaker 7: the most corpulent president. Set a new standard for obesity
Speaker 7: in the White House, and we did huge James Garfield.
Speaker 7: James Garfield, you know, he has a statue in Piat
Speaker 7: Park here in Cincinnati, and it's a neat statue. He
Speaker 7: was interesting and I ran across him in my research
Speaker 7: for The Man who Saved Cincinnati because when Lou Wallace,
Speaker 7: who is the man who Saved Cincinnati right, wrote Ben
Speaker 7: hur James Garfield read it and was so thrilled that
Speaker 7: he wrote a complimentary letter to Lou Wallace and said,
Speaker 7: I would like to send you as my ambassador to
Speaker 7: Turkey so that you will get more fodder for another book.
Speaker 1: Wow. Rutherford B. Hayes. Now the reason I have I
Speaker 1: have a connection with Rutherford B. Hayes and one of
Speaker 1: Kristin my trips up north asphalt therapy, we went and
Speaker 1: visited the Rutherford B. Hayes House oh neat in Fremont,
Speaker 1: oh Great Ohio, and it was just a grand house.
Speaker 1: Rutherford B. Hayes said, in this house, if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen it, has this massive front porch. And he always
Speaker 1: said when he built, before he built a house, he said,
Speaker 1: I want a big porch with a house behind it.
Speaker 1: That's cool and very very regal, very cool. But anyway,
Speaker 1: probably one of our more intelligent and literate and cultured presidents.
Speaker 7: He was a member of the Cincinnati Literary Club back
Speaker 7: when that was the place. One of the places that
Speaker 7: supplied an incredible number of Civil War generals and officers.
Speaker 7: And he was quite distinguished and recognized for his service
Speaker 7: in the Civil War. And also was the man who
Speaker 7: sent lou Wallace to go settle the Range War in
Speaker 7: New Mexico and appointed him as governor of the territory
Speaker 7: out there.
Speaker 1: And another tie to one of Peter's books, what do
Speaker 1: you know ulysses as Grant? Born in Point Pleasant? Obviously
Speaker 1: I've been to the birthplace many times, going down a
Speaker 1: great little trip to visit friends in Ripley, you know
Speaker 1: a way. So what about Ulysses as anything else? Ulysses
Speaker 1: as Grant?
Speaker 7: Besides that, he once raced horses on the streets of
Speaker 7: Cincinnati against my man lou Wallace, and Grant's horse was
Speaker 7: named Cincinnati, Oh cool. And lou Wallace's horse was named
Speaker 7: Old John. Now you'd think you know Cincinnati Old John.
Speaker 1: Guess what? Lou Wallace won that race? How about that?
Speaker 7: And and us Grant, outside of being one of our
Speaker 7: great presidents and fantastic Civil War generals, he was his
Speaker 7: life is intertwined with that of lou Wallace in a
Speaker 7: lot of ways that are very fascinating Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln it, as you know, one of the great
Speaker 1: presidents in our country's history, even though he pretty much
Speaker 1: dismantled the US Constitution's Bill of Rights during the Civil War.
Speaker 7: During the Civil War he suspended the rights of habeas corpus,
Speaker 7: and just about anything else.
Speaker 1: But his connections to Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: His one of his most interesting connections is that he
Speaker 7: was nearly assassinated in Cincinnati on his way to his
Speaker 7: own inauguration in eighteen sixty. Now, if that had happened
Speaker 7: thanks to the sharp eyes of a local police detective
Speaker 7: or one of his secret service members, we're not sure which.
Speaker 7: They spotted a satchel on his train after he got
Speaker 7: off to give speeches in Cincinnati. Somebody had placed a
Speaker 7: bomb in his train car that was of sufficient power
Speaker 7: that it would have blown the entire car off the
Speaker 7: wheels and he would have been completely obliterated. If this
Speaker 7: had happened in eighteen sixty, think of what different course
Speaker 7: our nation would have taken. We probably would be two
Speaker 7: countries today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we might not be a United Nation or United States.
Speaker 1: Fantastic story, really really interesting. James Buchanan, who was looked
Speaker 1: upon as not a great president, No, but has Cincinnati connection.
Speaker 1: I'd say one of the worst.
Speaker 7: And if you take James Buchanan's resume and put it
Speaker 7: alongside Joe Biden's resume, you're going to see so much similarity.
Speaker 7: A caretaker, a political hack. He never had a job
Speaker 7: in the private sector. He was reviled. He had the
Speaker 7: lowest approval rating you could possibly have as a president
Speaker 7: when he left.
Speaker 1: If there was such a thing then.
Speaker 7: And for the first three years of the Civil War,
Speaker 7: it was known as not the War between the States,
Speaker 7: not the Civil War. It was known as Buchanan's war
Speaker 7: because he was so inept and he failed to do
Speaker 7: anything to head it off.
Speaker 1: Zachary Taylor is on this list. Zachary Taylor obviously a
Speaker 1: very very short term in office eighteen forty nine to
Speaker 1: eighteen fifty. Yes, tell me about Zachary Taylor and his connection.
Speaker 7: He was an army guy, a very effective and tough
Speaker 7: army general.
Speaker 1: He was known in the army as old, rough and ready.
Speaker 7: And he was the guy who went down and prosecuted
Speaker 7: the war against Mexico and won it, and took the
Speaker 7: battle all the way to Chipoultpec and Mexico City. And
Speaker 7: what he did also in those early years. He's the
Speaker 7: one who kind of laid the framework for all the
Speaker 7: people that fought in the Civil War on both sides,
Speaker 7: including lou Wallace.
Speaker 1: Again you'll hear his name a lot here. Is that
Speaker 1: they fought.
Speaker 7: Under him and they learned the art of war through
Speaker 7: watching old rough and.
Speaker 1: Ready, how about that James K.
Speaker 5: Polk.
Speaker 7: He was very interesting because he actually, if you want
Speaker 7: to take a look at history from Tennessee, wasn't he Yes?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 7: And so if you'd go back and look at the
Speaker 7: Gulf of Tonkin incident, remember when Johnson staged this incident
Speaker 7: to try and build up the war in Vietnam and
Speaker 7: build up more public support. That's exactly what Polk did
Speaker 7: to fight the war against Mexico. He wanted to expand
Speaker 7: our border and he wanted to take back all that
Speaker 7: land that Mexico had in the west, including New Mexico
Speaker 7: and Arizona. And he actually instigated a border incident by
Speaker 7: sending down a bunch of adventurers to take that land
Speaker 7: and pick a fight with the Mexican government, and that
Speaker 7: led to the War of the Mexican American War, and
Speaker 7: we won all that territory thanks to James K.
Speaker 5: Polk.
Speaker 1: William Henry Harrison, who I think was president for what
Speaker 1: thirty days?
Speaker 7: Yeah, were so one of the shortest presidents he's on record.
Speaker 1: He got a cold from his inauguration. It was a cold,
Speaker 1: wet day, you know, when Donald Trump they finally decided
Speaker 1: to have the inauguration indoors. Yeah, you know, just and
Speaker 1: it wasn't the coldest inauguration ever, and many of them
Speaker 1: have been held outdoors. But when they made that decision,
Speaker 1: and it was a controversial decision because so many people
Speaker 1: wanted to attend Trump's inauguration this time but were unable to.
Speaker 1: And they'd already made plans and spent a bunch of
Speaker 1: money and gotten off work to go to Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 1: And I said at the time on the air, I said, well,
Speaker 1: remember what happened to William Henry Harrison. You know what
Speaker 1: that happening to Donald Trump or anybody else who goes
Speaker 1: He got a cold, he died. I think twenty three or.
Speaker 7: Thirty days, the shortest presidency one month on record. I
Speaker 7: think William Henry Harrison is very important to Ohio and
Speaker 7: Cincinnati because he fought with mad Anthony Wayne, And in fact,
Speaker 7: you can see him in the famous painting of the
Speaker 7: Treaty of Greenville, when Mad Anthony Wayne defeated the Indian
Speaker 7: Federation in made Ohio safe for settlement. William Henry Harrison
Speaker 7: is standing there with his commander, Matt Anthony Wayne. Any
Speaker 7: other thoughts on w h H just that sort of
Speaker 7: such a sad short presidency and a courageous guy who Yeah, how.
Speaker 1: Do you rate somebody like that? They never got a
Speaker 1: chance to enact policy or pursue an agenda. No, No,
Speaker 1: I think the in reference point, who was the president
Speaker 1: after Harrison? Who took his Do you remember.
Speaker 7: Let's say it would have been right at would have
Speaker 7: been the vice president?
Speaker 1: And I can't remember who that is. It's right before Polk,
Speaker 1: right right, And we mentioned that Pope was a rather
Speaker 1: provocative character ye war with Mexico, and yeah, well you
Speaker 1: know Polk.
Speaker 7: If we if we look at the next one on
Speaker 7: the list is Andrew Jackson. Very shortident, a great president's
Speaker 7: and one of my favorites. But a very short anecdote
Speaker 7: about him that connects him to our region is that
Speaker 7: the first frontiersman around here, along with Daniel Boone, was
Speaker 7: Simon Kenton. And Simon Kenton was an amazing guy. He
Speaker 7: was like six foot four. He could run like a deer.
Speaker 7: He was had incredible the strength of three men. And
Speaker 7: in that time, six foot four is a towery. It's
Speaker 7: a giant. Yes, and so was Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson
Speaker 7: was a brawler, a fighter. He was a nasty fighter.
Speaker 7: And legend has it that they crossed paths once in
Speaker 7: a little tavern and Simon Kenton whipped the tar out
Speaker 7: of Andrew j Yes, no, kitten.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know. My wife is I don't know, one
Speaker 1: eighth Cherokee. So whenever I tell her that one of
Speaker 1: my favorite presidents is Andrew Jackson, she goes, she just
Speaker 1: kind of shakes her head. And a president whose name
Speaker 1: is coming up more and more with Donald Trump in office,
Speaker 1: and in fact, we have another guest on this show
Speaker 1: tonight who will talk about the Monroe doctrine and in
Speaker 1: pursuant to Greenland and South America and all of the
Speaker 1: things that has been discussed. Yeah, since Donald Trump, that's
Speaker 1: one back into office. He's a former Green Beret. But anyway,
Speaker 1: cool James Monroe. Okay, so I won't get into Monroe doctrine.
Speaker 7: I don't want to step on too much of that
Speaker 7: except for a local anecdote, which is really neat. So
Speaker 7: the Monroe doctrine was that we're going to expand our territory,
Speaker 7: and by doing this, one of the effective methods what's
Speaker 7: called filibusters in the eighteen thirties and philibusters will when
Speaker 7: private armies, some guy like you or me with a
Speaker 7: lot of money would raise an army and go down
Speaker 7: to the border and just take sides in a maybe
Speaker 7: in a civil war in Mexico or in Bolivia or
Speaker 7: in the Central and all those mercenaries today we do,
Speaker 7: but in those days they filibusters, and the notion was
Speaker 7: that if things got bad, we could always send you
Speaker 7: US army in there to back them up, and then
Speaker 7: we could claim that territory or make some kind of
Speaker 7: deal with the new government. So what happened is because
Speaker 7: of the Monroe doctrine, that was one of the things
Speaker 7: that encouraged Texas to fight back against the government of
Speaker 7: Government of Mexico and declare its independence as a state.
Speaker 7: And that led to the battle between Texas that actually
Speaker 7: won independence against Santa Anna, which was decided at the
Speaker 7: Battle of San Jacinto, and that pivotal battle was only
Speaker 7: one thanks to Cincinnati, because Cincinnati forged two cannons that
Speaker 7: became known as the Twin Sisters yep and sent them
Speaker 7: down to the Texans and they put those in the
Speaker 7: middle of their line in surprise the daylights out of
Speaker 7: Santa Anna, who didn't know the Texans had any cannons
Speaker 7: because before that they didn't, and they blew the Mexican
Speaker 7: An army apart. They won that battle thanks primarily to Cincinnati,
Speaker 7: and for about fifty years afterwards, on the anniversaries of
Speaker 7: Texas independence, they would send thank you letters to Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: And it's all connected to James Monroe.
Speaker 7: And it all goes back to the Monroe doctrine. If
Speaker 7: you take a look at the map of the amount
Speaker 7: of territory that was finally won in the Mexican American
Speaker 7: War a decade later to back up what happened in Texas,
Speaker 7: because Santa Ana was nursing a grudge and he didn't
Speaker 7: really recognize Texas and independence.
Speaker 1: But you'd take a look at that territory.
Speaker 7: Almost half of our country was made possible by Cincinnati
Speaker 7: and those canons at San Jacinto.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Well, we're up to number one, and he's number
Speaker 1: one on most historians lists. When it comes to presidents,
Speaker 1: the first is the greatest, at least so far. Yes,
Speaker 1: my favorite president. It's interesting to hear people compare other
Speaker 1: presidents to this guy, because, I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: how do you even I mean people who've compared Donald
Speaker 1: Trump with being a George Washington like character. But to
Speaker 1: compare any president with the first and the first real
Speaker 1: leader of this country who did not believe in partisan
Speaker 1: politics whatsoever. What are George Washington's connections to Cincinnati, Pete,
Speaker 1: There are two or three.
Speaker 7: Let's start with the fact that he surveyed most of
Speaker 7: this area that we now know as the Northwest Territory.
Speaker 7: He was one of the first. Back in those days,
Speaker 7: in the seventeen eighties, a surveyor was an adventure. It
Speaker 7: was one of the coolest things you could do. You
Speaker 7: were going out in the wilderness and you were mapping
Speaker 7: territory and claiming it for the United States.
Speaker 1: And so he.
Speaker 7: Surveyed these territories before the Revolutionary War. He fought the
Speaker 7: Revolutionary War, but afterwards he was in this really tight situation,
Speaker 7: which is that the British really nursed a grudge about
Speaker 7: losing to these upstart colonies, and they're sitting in Canada
Speaker 7: and they do not want to see these colonies expand
Speaker 7: past the Alleghanies, because that's going to be Canadian land.
Speaker 1: That's all of.
Speaker 7: Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, all of the Midwest.
Speaker 1: And so what did they do.
Speaker 7: They used as their proxy army, mainly the Miami and
Speaker 7: the Shawnee and the Indian Confederation, and they paid them
Speaker 7: fifty dollars for scalps and one hundred dollars for live
Speaker 7: hostages to go terrorize these new settlers in this land
Speaker 7: called Ohio and discouraged them.
Speaker 1: From moving west.
Speaker 7: Well, Washington saw this and he basically pushed all his
Speaker 7: chips onto the table with Congress and he said, I
Speaker 7: need an army. Well, Congress didn't want an army because
Speaker 7: that's why they fought the Revolutionary War. They didn't want
Speaker 7: a standing army. Washington gambled all of his political capital.
Speaker 7: He finally got an army, and after two disasters and
Speaker 7: massacres of his troops that were sent out to defeat
Speaker 7: the Indian Confederation, he finally got a real army that
Speaker 7: was commanded by mad Anthony Wayne. And that's the army
Speaker 7: that defeated the Indian Confederation at the Battle of Fallen
Speaker 7: Timbers and won all of this Northwest territory. One more story,
Speaker 7: real quickly, Yes, George Washington. What do you got, George Washington? Well,
Speaker 7: he was an amazing guy. What he did at Valley
Speaker 7: Forge is it's like and the way he came back
Speaker 7: from that, from complete defeat, demoralization, his troops leaving in droves,
Speaker 7: they had reached the end of their enlistments. They no
Speaker 7: longer could be paid. Just and to recognize in somebody
Speaker 7: like Anthony Wayne, who was in peacetime.
Speaker 1: He was a scoundrel of failure.
Speaker 7: He'd been kicked out of Congress for voter fraud.
Speaker 1: He was made for one thing, winning war.
Speaker 7: And when he nominated him after he finally gets this
Speaker 7: army and he tells Congress the guy I'm going to
Speaker 7: send it men, it is Anthony Wayne.
Speaker 1: They blew their top, but he said, that's my guide.
Speaker 1: He was right. Peter Bronson, thank you, this has been magical.
Speaker 1: We could have done this for the three hours. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's been fun. I love these stories. They're just great.
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson The latest book is The Man Who Saves Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: Oh no, it's promised Lane, that's right, Promise Lane, Promise Midwest. Well,
Speaker 7: the Midwest was one, and you'll find the stories about
Speaker 7: Washington and Anthony Wayne. And check out Chili Dog Press
Speaker 7: if you're interested in Pete's books.
Speaker 1: And they're available everywhere, Yes, everywhere, books are sold. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, Gary Jets. You've got it tonight at any time.
Speaker 1: It didn't have to occur on a Monday or a
Speaker 1: President's Day, but it happens in the current day which
Speaker 1: we are living in, and that is the world of
Speaker 1: internet things, and it accelerates exponentially, it seems like every day.
Speaker 1: So maybe the conversation we are having tonight will be
Speaker 1: obsolete in another week. Who knows, but to join us
Speaker 1: for that a man who's dubbed himself Doomed Day Dave,
Speaker 1: which I'm giving him more credit than being Doomsday Dave
Speaker 1: or Debbie Downer as he sometimes liked to say, when
Speaker 1: it comes to things that you should watch out for
Speaker 1: in the cyber world. Dave is with Interest and they're
Speaker 1: a fantastic company, and he's been working in computer programming
Speaker 1: and writing code for years and years and years and
Speaker 1: follows all of the latest stories for US and for
Speaker 1: several other outlets around town. He's a multi media superstar
Speaker 1: when it comes to the world of it. And he's
Speaker 1: laughing right now at this wonderful, magnanimous introduction that I'm
Speaker 1: giving him. Dave Hatter, Welcome to the show again.
Speaker 5: Always my pleasure to be on, Garry Jeff. And I
Speaker 5: got to say that that was quite the intro. I
Speaker 5: don't know that I deserve it, but I much appreciate
Speaker 5: that was excellent.
Speaker 1: I was just talking to somebody yesterday, Dave, about all
Speaker 1: of the apps that come with phones, iPhones or Android
Speaker 1: phones and the ones that you know, put on your
Speaker 1: phone so you can get the latest gadget, and we're
Speaker 1: having a discussion of what to delete and what to
Speaker 1: not delete, and what they won't let you delete in
Speaker 1: some cases. But this story caught my eye immediately just
Speaker 1: because it reminded me of that recent conversation that I
Speaker 1: had a day or two ago with somebody about apps
Speaker 1: and what to delete if it's time to delete them,
Speaker 1: and all of that. And you've got a story about that,
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jerry Jeff.
Speaker 5: You know, first off, I just want to remind us
Speaker 5: we're currently in this surveillance capitalism age where these apps
Speaker 5: are quote free quote because you are the product, not
Speaker 5: the customer.
Speaker 3: You're paying with your data and not your money, and.
Speaker 5: Well that's not necessarily nefarious. Folks need to understand that
Speaker 5: trade off, and I don't think they do. That's one
Speaker 5: of my issues with this. Most people can't really give
Speaker 5: informed consent because they don't understand how much data these
Speaker 5: apps collect, who they're sharing it with. And when you
Speaker 5: try to read the privacy policy, as I'm sure you know,
Speaker 5: it's about eighty pages of legal mumbo jumbo. That's, you know,
Speaker 5: completely incomprehensible. So that's that's where I get frustrated with
Speaker 5: all of these apps out there. And you know, I'll
Speaker 5: be the first to tell you. On my Apple phone,
Speaker 5: I have maybe five apps that were not installed on
Speaker 5: the phone when I got it, and all of them
Speaker 5: are work related. There are all things I use, you know,
Speaker 5: to my day to day job to communicate with people
Speaker 5: in such things like Microsoft Teams, Microsoft out of LinkedIn,
Speaker 5: et cetera. So PC Magazine put together this expo today,
Speaker 5: it's really not at all surprising to me to see
Speaker 5: the companies and the apps that show up on this list.
Speaker 5: I encourage people to check it out. I will post
Speaker 5: it to all my social media x, Facebook, LinkedIn, et cetera.
Speaker 5: And I know people still in it. Dave, you're about
Speaker 5: to say, don't use these apps. I don't use the
Speaker 5: Facebook app. You know I have minimal apps. So yes,
Speaker 5: I use various social media sites. Give Jeff, you know,
Speaker 5: promote our business, and trust to promote the city if
Speaker 5: we're right to promote things I'm doing like talking to
Speaker 5: you today, But I have you know I'm mostly using
Speaker 5: a very privacy friendly browser either Braver, Firefox on a
Speaker 5: full bloom PC where I can control the information that's
Speaker 5: being shared with these things. And one last point before
Speaker 5: I hit some of the ones on this list, again,
Speaker 5: it's the same as angers you and I have been
Speaker 5: talking about for years. I would remind folks that again
Speaker 5: anytime you can use if you want to use a platform,
Speaker 5: pick anything Amazon, Facebook, Google, Search, whatever. While those are
Speaker 5: all very privacy unfriendly companies, as you'll see if you
Speaker 5: look at this full blown list, which again i'll link to,
Speaker 5: people can.
Speaker 3: Go find it on their own.
Speaker 5: You're always better off to use them over the web
Speaker 5: and a privacy friendly browser rather than install their app.
Speaker 5: And then secondarily again understand that trade off you're making.
Speaker 5: And I encourage people to take a look go to
Speaker 5: the Apple app Store and look at the privacy label.
Speaker 5: The Apple requires every manufacturer of software that wants to
Speaker 5: deploy an app, and there's still to put a privacy
Speaker 5: label out there that tells you what they want to collect.
Speaker 5: And I think if most people would take the time
Speaker 5: to look at the kind of information that's being collected,
Speaker 5: it's kind of mind blow TikTok in particular super aggressive
Speaker 5: data collection. And I'm sure not a chaker to you
Speaker 5: made this list. I'm amazed it came in only at fourteen.
Speaker 3: Out of this list of twenty.
Speaker 5: It starts with Facebook, Messenger and Instagram threads to meta products.
Speaker 5: You know again Facebook Meta, you are their product. They
Speaker 5: make almost all of their money off of you. And
Speaker 5: when you look at this full chart and then we
Speaker 5: won't have time to get too deep into this. They
Speaker 5: have a bunch of different categories. For example, percent of
Speaker 5: personal data share with third parties, percent of personal data
Speaker 5: collectors for developers, advertising and marketing in various categories like that.
Speaker 5: So Facebook and Messenger, and then Instagram and threads all
Speaker 5: from meta slash. Facebook sixty eight point six percent comes
Speaker 5: in at number one of your personal data is being
Speaker 5: shared with third parties. Amazon comes in at five point
Speaker 5: seven on this list, but they're high on many the
Speaker 5: other categories. The LinkedIn app comes in pretty high on
Speaker 5: this list.
Speaker 1: And you use linked use LinkedIn?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: I do use the LinkedIn app both in a web browser,
Speaker 5: well through a web browser, and an app on my
Speaker 5: phone because you know, for me, it's a powerful business tool.
Speaker 5: That's the only app I have that is not one
Speaker 5: hundred percent work related. Again, something like Microsoft Outlook or
Speaker 5: teams installed on this.
Speaker 3: Use it did not come on it by default.
Speaker 1: Is it the only app that's on this list that's
Speaker 1: on your phone?
Speaker 5: Dave looking at this list, Gary Jeff, Yes it is,
Speaker 5: because of course Google's on here. I don't use anything
Speaker 5: from Google. Well and real quick, you know on my
Speaker 5: LinkedIn blog if you look me up on LinkedIn. I
Speaker 5: put together a list of privacy friendly products that I
Speaker 5: use in my personal life. Again, there's the business side,
Speaker 5: the interest stuff that I'm required to use to work,
Speaker 5: and interestings like proton Mail, Brave and so forth. You
Speaker 5: know that I use for my personal stuff. So if
Speaker 5: people want to find privacy friendly alternatives to things like
Speaker 5: Google Search and Gmail and so forth, I've already put
Speaker 5: all that together. It's free. I'm happy to share it.
Speaker 5: Look me up on LinkedIn you'll find it. We'd be
Speaker 5: in the much better world, Garry Jeff if everyone was
Speaker 5: concerned about their privacy and not beating all of their
Speaker 5: data to these companies that are not helpful to you.
Speaker 1: I hear you. What was number twenty on the list?
Speaker 1: You said there were twenty apps listed on this PC
Speaker 1: mag list that you should be probably think about deleting
Speaker 1: from your phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting enough, I mean several tides. There's actually more
Speaker 5: than twenty, but they stopped at twenty, and the twenty
Speaker 5: at this Roadblox, which is basically, you know, more or
Speaker 5: less the game for kids, but you know all the
Speaker 5: usual offenders. Gmail, everything from Google shows up to him
Speaker 5: many times. Amazon, you know, Facebook, Slash Meta, Candy Crush.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of things on here that it might
Speaker 5: be surprising to people if they look Google Maps.
Speaker 4: Yai.
Speaker 1: Fine, Yeah, we have talked about candy Crush, and you
Speaker 1: know people just mindlessly playing candy Crush. I know, grown as.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for the language. Grown ass men, who's sitting
Speaker 1: there playing candy Crush, and I'm going, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: But candy Crush is actually a portal that could be
Speaker 1: taking data, personal data, information about you every time you
Speaker 1: play right, You're.
Speaker 3: Exactly right here, Jase, believe it or not.
Speaker 5: The developers that built candy Crush and all the infrastructure
Speaker 5: that makes candy Crush work, the servers, the cloud, all
Speaker 5: that stuff out there. It costs money, developers and network
Speaker 5: engineers and so forth.
Speaker 4: They got to eat too.
Speaker 5: They have mortgages, They send their kids.
Speaker 3: To school, sure that they got to eat.
Speaker 5: And the way they do it is through surveillance capitalism.
Speaker 5: They're collecting your data. You should look at the privacy
Speaker 5: label for candy Crush. Again, it's fairly low on this list,
Speaker 5: but you should look at the privacy label and understand
Speaker 5: it's collecting all kinds of information off your device. And
Speaker 5: you know, for example, candy Crush eight point six percent
Speaker 5: of personal data shared with third parties. Now you don't
Speaker 5: know what those third parties are. You don't know what
Speaker 5: they're doing with your data or who they might be
Speaker 5: sharing it. Rich so it's not just the vendor and
Speaker 5: then their third parties, it's the data brokers who then
Speaker 5: buy it and share it with others, and next thing
Speaker 5: you know, information is out there about you.
Speaker 3: It's used in.
Speaker 5: Ways against you that you couldn't even begin to guess.
Speaker 5: And again I'm not saying don't use any of this
Speaker 5: stuff ever. Understand the trade off, look at those privacy labels,
Speaker 5: and then wherever possible, if you really need to use
Speaker 5: one of these services, try to use the web based
Speaker 5: version if they have one, you will be much better
Speaker 5: off from a privacy standpoint.
Speaker 1: Bye. I have Microsoft Outlook on minds. That's the work email.
Speaker 1: I've got an email that came with the phone that
Speaker 1: I've never used. I forgot what my password is even.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: They got to calendar the photos the camera and I
Speaker 1: use all of that, the maps which I use, whether notes,
Speaker 1: reminders which I really don't use, the settings that you've
Speaker 1: got to have my iHeartRadio app, and then there's a
Speaker 1: podcast that Apple store. I don't know. There's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of junk on mine. I've seen people's phones
Speaker 1: and it's just flat full of the whole screen is
Speaker 1: full of apps and then you then you flip the
Speaker 1: screen and that that whole screen is full of apps
Speaker 1: and you really don't need all those apps.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure this will come as
Speaker 5: a shaker to you, Gary Jeff. But I might be
Speaker 5: married to a person that fits that description who does
Speaker 5: not listen to me.
Speaker 1: You say you might shock right, So you say you
Speaker 1: might be there. Are you sure that the marriage license
Speaker 1: is good? Or what do you mean by you might
Speaker 1: be married to a person?
Speaker 5: You know? I would never never want to, you know,
Speaker 5: out my wife on the air. Possible, I might be
Speaker 5: married to a person that has a lot of apps
Speaker 5: that I continuously try to convince her to get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she lives with you. Apparently you're you're sleeping
Speaker 1: with the enemy, Dave.
Speaker 5: I'm not as persuasive as I need to be, apparently, Jerry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you what. Let's take a break. We'll
Speaker 1: come right back more with Dave Hatter on a Nightcap
Speaker 1: in just a moment on seven hundred wlw are you
Speaker 1: a bit again? We're talking with Dave Hatter on this
Speaker 1: Monday evening President's Day, Gary Jeff with you and Dave
Speaker 1: hatterback with us on seven hundred WLW Dave, there's a
Speaker 1: video that you posted from YouTube that shows how criminals
Speaker 1: can very easily and smoothly install credit card skimmers at
Speaker 1: a gas pump or wherever there's an open credit cards
Speaker 1: and they're everywhere. You know, there there at the speedway,
Speaker 1: on the counter, they're at department stores. There are all
Speaker 1: kinds of which, I mean, that's probably tougher for a
Speaker 1: criminal to install a scammer and inside a you know,
Speaker 1: security based video surveillance grocery store or department store, I
Speaker 1: would imagine, But outside at a gas station, that's usually
Speaker 1: where the card skimmers are found. But it just says
Speaker 1: that it's easy for these people to do it without
Speaker 1: much detection. Tell me about this story, please, sir.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gary, Jeff.
Speaker 5: This is a real problem, and you know it's These
Speaker 5: skimmers have shown up if you check the local press
Speaker 5: many times in the greater Cincinnati region. Now, this this
Speaker 5: was video, and I encourage people to watch it. It's
Speaker 5: from w x y Z out of Detroit. But they
Speaker 5: have video of these scammers coming in and you know
Speaker 5: they got an expert on there talking about it. Here's
Speaker 5: the problem. The skimmers keep getting smaller and in some cases,
Speaker 5: they're literally small enough where you can drop it inside
Speaker 5: the card flock.
Speaker 3: Because the old advice has.
Speaker 5: Always been, okay before you put your card in it
Speaker 5: and your right. Gas stations are the most commonplace for
Speaker 5: this because once you're in the store, right, there's generally
Speaker 5: a lot of video surveillance. There's people moving around, right.
Speaker 5: But you know, they managed to place these things inside
Speaker 5: stores even sometimes you usually they'll distract the clerk work
Speaker 5: in the cash register, maybe they pay in cash, ask
Speaker 5: a bunch of question whatever while they're fumbling with the device.
Speaker 5: And again, the old school advice has always been look
Speaker 5: for anything that looks unusual. And I this is advice
Speaker 5: I share with my family all the time, but I
Speaker 5: do it every time before I put my card in
Speaker 5: any kind of point in sales system, like, I will
Speaker 5: feel it.
Speaker 3: Does it move around?
Speaker 4: Does it look odd?
Speaker 3: Is it unusual in any way? Right?
Speaker 5: Because if it is, it's possible that it's been tampered with.
Speaker 5: But that alone is not good enough. Again, these things
Speaker 5: now are so small they literally will drop them inside
Speaker 5: the slot. The card reader thing will still work, right,
Speaker 5: but it will also skim your credit card. Usually they
Speaker 5: have some kind of WI fi and you know they
Speaker 5: can sit out in the parking lot and suck the
Speaker 5: credit card numbers off of there. So this isn't to
Speaker 5: suit people out and say don't ever use a credit card.
Speaker 5: But you know, unfortunately these things still happen reagarly. They're
Speaker 5: getting harder and harder to detect. And at this point
Speaker 5: you're only real defense other than being really scrupulous. When
Speaker 5: you go to put a card in something and again
Speaker 5: check it out, does it look unusual? Does it feel
Speaker 5: tamped with? Is the aperture where the card goes in loose?
Speaker 5: Is really to either use cash or use where you
Speaker 5: tap or something like apples?
Speaker 1: Well, well, well, if if there's a if there's a
Speaker 1: device inside the credit card reader itself in the slot,
Speaker 1: and now the gas station I go to, you have
Speaker 1: a you have a place to tap in and it's
Speaker 1: the same it's the same reader where you slide in
Speaker 1: the card or you tap it. And so wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be able to get your information if you just tap
Speaker 1: your card?
Speaker 5: As far as I know, the answer is no.
Speaker 4: And here's why.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm not one hundred percent certain someone hasn't devised
Speaker 5: something that you get around us. I hasn't it to
Speaker 5: say with authority what I'm about to tell you is.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: So generally speaking, the ones that require you to slide
Speaker 5: the card in, it's reading the mag stripe off the card.
Speaker 5: It's so the tap to pay is using near field
Speaker 5: communication and that C technology. I can't guarantee you for
Speaker 5: sure that you couldn't older device to to capture both,
Speaker 5: but that is not typically the case.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's what I would say.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, any other words about I mean, other
Speaker 1: than watching to see if anything looks unusual or unwieldy
Speaker 1: about the credit card reader that you're using, I would
Speaker 1: say as yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I would just say Gary, Jeff, you know, stick to
Speaker 5: card readers that are in the most visible places where
Speaker 5: they'd be harder to tamper with. Like if you're in
Speaker 5: a gas station, the ones closest to the attendance where
Speaker 5: there's the most foot traffic much more difficult to tamper
Speaker 5: with than the one that's like the furthest the way
Speaker 5: and facing the screen, for example. And you know, even
Speaker 5: at a store, you know, if you stick to the
Speaker 5: places where there's the most people, perhaps you can see
Speaker 5: security cameras. You know, there's the most foot traffic. It
Speaker 5: makes it a lot more difficult for the bad guys
Speaker 5: to have time to tamper with things.
Speaker 1: Well, this is this is gotta be.
Speaker 5: Real careful and then you know, keep it on your accounts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a very important conversation that we need
Speaker 1: to be having, Dave, because so few people and me
Speaker 1: working in a in a cash business as a bartender,
Speaker 1: so few people carry cash anymore. To me, cash is king.
Speaker 1: I use cash all the time. At the grocery store
Speaker 1: or wherever I'm shopping, I usually use cash. And I
Speaker 1: you know, when you have to use a credit card
Speaker 1: for a payment or something like that on your insurance
Speaker 1: or your your cable or whatever you're you're spending your
Speaker 1: money on. Uh, that's that has that kind of electronic link. Yeah, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: using my bank account that way. But I I love
Speaker 1: to use cash, and they're trying to take it away
Speaker 1: from us, Dave.
Speaker 4: What do they do? They are?
Speaker 3: Gary?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's something I'm really concerned about. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't tend to carry a lot of cash on me,
Speaker 5: but yeah, the idea that we could ever get to
Speaker 5: a society where everything is one hundred percent, and I'm
Speaker 5: not sure that we won't eventually just get there by default.
Speaker 5: But the potential then for you to be controlled by
Speaker 5: the government or fill in the blank, whichever side you're on,
Speaker 5: whoever's in control, would have total control of you know,
Speaker 5: everything you buy. You know, look at the social credit
Speaker 5: score situation in China. You know, as soon as you
Speaker 5: run a foul of the government and anyway, they could
Speaker 5: shut you down. Not to mention, every day we see
Speaker 5: some sort of hack or something that shows you that,
Speaker 5: you know, our systems are still way too immature for
Speaker 5: something like central bank digital currency. So yeah, I'm one
Speaker 5: hundred percent against it.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 5: Warren Davidson, actogusman in Ohio, very knowledgeable about the subject,
Speaker 5: has been, you know, very strongly opposed to this, talks
Speaker 5: about it a lot, learns about it a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the idea of a cash with society is not good.
Speaker 5: I understand the arguments for it, but I think the
Speaker 5: downside is so big. I hope it does not happen
Speaker 5: in my lifetime. And I encourage people to use cash
Speaker 5: whenever you can, simply because it reduces the risk of
Speaker 5: things like skimmers. Yeah, you know, or having an employee
Speaker 5: steal your credit cards.
Speaker 1: You and I am someone that works there, Sure, Dave,
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about this on numerous occasions,
Speaker 1: but one more time with feeling please on Internet connected
Speaker 1: cameras like your ring, doorbell or whatever you're using, that
Speaker 1: are made in China may be used despite on US
Speaker 1: infrastructure as well, according to the Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 1: What's this story all about?
Speaker 3: In a nutshell, Yeah, so Juilwei hick Vision.
Speaker 5: There's a bunch of cameras out there now. I'm not
Speaker 5: a fan of these Internet connected cameras in general. When
Speaker 5: the IoT, the Internet of things are so called smart devices,
Speaker 5: you can't see my air quotes as a whole for
Speaker 5: a lot of the reasons we just talked about, right,
Speaker 5: this market is very immature, and most of the time
Speaker 5: the vendors that build these things are much more focused
Speaker 5: on ease of use and market share, speed to market
Speaker 5: than they are things like privacy and security. So as
Speaker 5: a whole, many, if not most, Internet connected devices are
Speaker 5: privacy and security dumpster fires. People don't know how to
Speaker 5: configure them correctly, they don't not update the software in them,
Speaker 5: and you know, a research study found that they looking
Speaker 5: at the major smart TV manufacturers, none of them put
Speaker 5: out updates for their software inside the TVs after more
Speaker 5: than two years. And that's true across all these things.
Speaker 5: So there's so many problems with these things, and people
Speaker 5: are buying this stuff and plugging it in without any
Speaker 5: thought to Could I hack your smart camera and then
Speaker 5: get to your PC and then get to your bank
Speaker 5: account or your work systems. Well maybe maybe that's not
Speaker 5: far fetched. And now you've got DHS warning again specifically
Speaker 5: about any cameras built in China. Shocker, I know, right,
Speaker 5: we pretty much anything coming from China. Here's a warning, folks.
Speaker 5: If it's digital and it has software and it came
Speaker 5: from China or a PRC controlled company, eventually I can
Speaker 5: guarantee you there will be a problem with it. And yeah,
Speaker 5: so you've got DHS warning that these things could potentially
Speaker 5: be hacked, not only as an attack vector for downstream
Speaker 5: attacks on servers, systems, whatever with it as networks. But
Speaker 5: the fact and there was a story Gary, Jeff, we
Speaker 5: may have talked about it not maybe a year and
Speaker 5: a half ago, where the Russians were hacking security cameras
Speaker 5: in Ukraine and then using those cameras to target things.
Speaker 5: So I know this downs far fetched the people that
Speaker 5: don't follow this stuff and don't work in the business.
Speaker 3: But I'm just.
Speaker 5: Telling you again, this isn't old Doomsday Dave Hatter's opinion,
Speaker 5: although I strongly agree with it and I try to
Speaker 5: avoid any of this stuff. You've got the Department of
Speaker 5: Homeland Security explicitly warning people to get rid of these
Speaker 5: kind of cameras because they're easily hackable and a potential
Speaker 5: way for our adversaries China in particular, to collect information
Speaker 5: and or even possibly launch attacks.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, as you, as you mentioned earlier in
Speaker 1: the conversation, you just got to convince your wife of
Speaker 1: all this, Dave.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's got Mike sisssis. I pushed, pushed the rock
Speaker 5: up the hill and then it rolls over me and
Speaker 5: I go back down and start over every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave had or thank you much spending some time
Speaker 1: with us tonight. Fun stuff and important stuff both my pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks all right, Dave had He and you can find
Speaker 1: him on LinkedIn and several other places, and he'll pop
Speaker 1: up on Local twelve. He'll be on fifty five KR. See,
Speaker 1: you never know where Dave will surface next. But he
Speaker 1: has a good, strong message and something you need to
Speaker 1: heed most of the time. The nightcap continues on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW. So what's in your body language? Well, we
Speaker 1: have a guest who says that sometimes everything it tells
Speaker 1: you a whole lot about an individual just by watching
Speaker 1: their posture in different situations. We have America's Psychiatrists, host
Speaker 1: of Doctor Carroll's Couch on Voice America dot com, the
Speaker 1: Terrorist Therapist podcast, and she's been a previous guest on
Speaker 1: the show many many times. You've seen her on TV,
Speaker 1: you've heard her here, and once again tonight she joins
Speaker 1: us doctor Lieberman, what's going on with Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: his body language? You were especially referencing the meeting in
Speaker 1: the Oval Office that occurred last week where the President
Speaker 1: is sitting at the Resolute desk behind the Resolute desk
Speaker 1: and Elon Musk is standing next to him along with
Speaker 1: his cute little kid X, who apparently at some point
Speaker 1: during the session the press session, X leaned into the
Speaker 1: President and told him to shut his mouth. But it
Speaker 1: was explaining doge and what they're doing and why they're
Speaker 1: doing it, and why everybody, I mean it's most of
Speaker 1: the stuff that they're talking about are what they call
Speaker 1: eighty twenty issues. Eighty percent of the American people are
Speaker 1: definitely four what they're doing and cutting government and spending
Speaker 1: and the waste and the fraud that is in our
Speaker 1: federal government. And man, have we been have we been
Speaker 1: treated to a litany of just horrifying amounts of money
Speaker 1: that's ours, that's going out the door for fraudulent means
Speaker 1: and money laundering and other things. Anyway, I got sidetracked,
Speaker 1: so doctor Laberman, welcome to the show number one, and
Speaker 1: it's great to have you back.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you. And yes, that meeting, that press conference
Speaker 6: about DOGE and about some of the the atroc atrocities
Speaker 6: that they have found already, the corruption and money going
Speaker 6: to you know, going to people are who must be
Speaker 6: dead because otherwise they'd be one hundred and fifty years old,
Speaker 6: and to just things that don't have any description either
Speaker 6: there's a check for a certain amount of money and
Speaker 6: no description of what it was for. I mean, they're
Speaker 6: finding outrageous things, and it does boggle my mind that people, well,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, the left is just angry at
Speaker 6: trunk no matter what trunk does right that they don't
Speaker 6: think that it's right. But this particular press conference I
Speaker 6: thought was interesting in terms of body language. Some people
Speaker 6: have said that they thought Elon Musk was in control
Speaker 6: because Elon was standing and Trump was sitting. But Trump
Speaker 6: was sitting at his desk, which is, you know, the
Speaker 6: the the centerpiece. Yes, yes, so you know, of course
Speaker 6: the cameras are going to be on that. But anyhow,
Speaker 6: but but he did give Elon the floor to explain
Speaker 6: the details of what they've been finding. I mean, clearly
Speaker 6: Trump knew those as well, but I think in part
Speaker 6: I think he did that so that the criticism, you know,
Speaker 6: would continue to go towards Elon and not to him.
Speaker 6: But I mean, Elon is the one who he put
Speaker 6: in charge of DOGE and is the one who's looking
Speaker 6: into all of these monies that have just been going
Speaker 6: out the window. So so, but I think that Trump
Speaker 6: has been in control. First of all, Trump doesn't really
Speaker 6: get into any kind of circumstance where he's not in control,
Speaker 6: or he makes it in his control, takes the control
Speaker 6: over at some point if he isn't at the beginning.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 6: Elon Musk kept looking over to Trump to for approval,
Speaker 6: you know, as he was explaining himself. And you know,
Speaker 6: so that's another indication that Trump was really in control.
Speaker 6: And but so it was a little strange. Was was
Speaker 6: his son X. Now we of course X was adorable, uh,
Speaker 6: but but it really seemed a little inappropriate for him
Speaker 6: to be he was he was a distraction and the
Speaker 6: way he made it seem you know, first of all,
Speaker 6: he was kind of walking around and doing all kinds
Speaker 6: of interesting movements, and so people would be, you know,
Speaker 6: always going to look at children or animals, you know. Sure,
Speaker 6: so so that was a little distracting. It made it
Speaker 6: seem like they were sitting together in a park rather
Speaker 6: than that this is like something of super major importance,
Speaker 6: like the money, our money, and and you know, the
Speaker 6: firings that were going on and are going on. And
Speaker 6: so that was a little And then of course the
Speaker 6: way he talked to drug. Now clearly somebody must have
Speaker 6: said that to him like shush, you know, so he
Speaker 6: was just kind of repeating him. But then but then
Speaker 6: Eli was picked him up and he had him on
Speaker 6: his shoulders and he had him on his head, and
Speaker 6: I mean that's all very cute and adorable, but it
Speaker 6: just didn't have I don't think that the place was
Speaker 6: at this kind of a meeting press.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exact.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I what I take away from that,
Speaker 1: and what I took away from that at the time.
Speaker 1: I guess now that we're talking about it, it's coming
Speaker 1: back to me what I took away from him being
Speaker 1: in this press conference in the Oval Office with his
Speaker 1: father and President Trump, was Trump signaling that this is
Speaker 1: the new Norman Washington. This is well, it's vastly, incredibly
Speaker 1: important to getting this runaway train of thirty six thirty
Speaker 1: seven trillion dollars in debt that will never repay if
Speaker 1: we don't stop it right now. But for me, this
Speaker 1: is the new norm in the White House. There's kids,
Speaker 1: there're families, because this affects everyone in every family in America.
Speaker 1: And that's what I took away from it. You're right,
Speaker 1: it's not the usual protocol. It's not the usual standard
Speaker 1: that you expect of a president and a presidency. But
Speaker 1: I think that that's part of the charm of Trump,
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't do things the way establishment Washington
Speaker 1: aspects and the buttoned up, in the very very formal
Speaker 1: at all times kind of vibe I mean, do you
Speaker 1: see where I'm coming from there? Yes?
Speaker 6: Yes, And I like his you know the way that
Speaker 6: he does that. You know that he brings his own
Speaker 6: style to it. But you know, first of all, I
Speaker 6: was wondering what his own children were thinking about this,
Speaker 6: you know, like Baron wasn't in the Oval office, for example.
Speaker 6: I think Baron must have been jealous of X. You
Speaker 6: know what's going on here? My father never let me
Speaker 6: do this in the Oval Office. I don't know, I
Speaker 6: just I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, back back to our original point. Your original point is,
Speaker 1: even though Musk is standing up during this press conference
Speaker 1: and Trump is sitting down the president, his body language
Speaker 1: shows he was in control. And there are certain certain
Speaker 1: cues and certain things for people look for in a
Speaker 1: situation like that. What do you look for to find
Speaker 1: out who the alpha is in the room, doctor Lieberman?
Speaker 6: Well, as I was starting to say, you know where
Speaker 6: Trump had them sit and stand, you know where the
Speaker 6: placement of them, then Trump really didn't make very much movement.
Speaker 6: You know, he he did look at Elon Musk's sons
Speaker 6: from time to time, and as the press conference was
Speaker 6: going on, he was looking a little less intrigued with
Speaker 6: his son like at first he was kind of he
Speaker 6: could tell us Trump thought it was adorable, and then
Speaker 6: he thought it was less adorable as as X was making,
Speaker 6: you know, distracting more and more. Then we have Elon Musk.
Speaker 6: His main body movements were when he brought his hands
Speaker 6: far apart and back together. And when his hands were apart,
Speaker 6: it meant that he was open to considering options in
Speaker 6: regarding to what he was talking about, or at least
Speaker 6: he wanted to make people think that he was open
Speaker 6: to options. When he put his hands together, particularly with
Speaker 6: his fingers touching, in what's called a steeple position, you know,
Speaker 6: putting them together like a church steeple. Sure, that was
Speaker 6: to underline certain points, you know, and certain conclusions. And
Speaker 6: and you know Trump put in his he wasn't really
Speaker 6: I mean, that was part of it too, that he
Speaker 6: wasn't really making a whole lot of big body movements.
Speaker 6: He he was, you know, sort of self contained in
Speaker 6: his seat at the desk. And and you know when
Speaker 6: he there were certain parts towards the end, there were
Speaker 6: certain parts where he kind of took over. I mean,
Speaker 6: he wanted he was sort of underlining to the points
Speaker 6: that that Elan was making in that there is just
Speaker 6: so much much corruption that uh, you know that we
Speaker 6: should all be shocked, we should all be outraged.
Speaker 1: Yes we should. Indeed we should. And I love what
Speaker 1: you said earlier about uh and it's true about their points.
Speaker 1: During this press conference in the Oval Office last week,
Speaker 1: where Elon Musk was looking to the President for approval,
Speaker 1: and you could tell, you could tell you Elon was standing.
Speaker 1: You could tell who was in charge in the room, right.
Speaker 6: And you know, I think Elon was anxious, you know,
Speaker 6: I mean you have to remember that Elon. I mean, yes,
Speaker 6: he's a big shot. He's the boss of space X,
Speaker 6: He's the boss of X or Twitter, at Tesla, all
Speaker 6: of that. So when he gets up to make a
Speaker 6: you know, a speech at any of those places, no
Speaker 6: one's questioning that he's the boss. No one's going to
Speaker 6: criticize him, at least not in the press conference for
Speaker 6: any of these other companies. But this was a different circumstances.
Speaker 6: It was even different than when Elon was on stage
Speaker 6: at the rallies, you know, at Truck's rallies. It wasn't
Speaker 6: like to he wasn't under any criticism at that point.
Speaker 6: I mean, other than people who you know, were criticizing
Speaker 6: Trump and criticizing Republicans not wanting Republicans to win. But
Speaker 6: it wasn't anything personal or that didn't seem personal towards Elon.
Speaker 6: This is the first time that he has been getting
Speaker 6: a lot of criticism because the people not wanting to
Speaker 6: lose their jobs and all of that, and people being
Speaker 6: afraid of what they're going to discover, you know, I
Speaker 6: mean he has he hasn't finished yet, and I'm sure
Speaker 6: there's going to be a lot more grafted that he
Speaker 6: will discover. So it was it was a different position,
Speaker 6: and so he was anxious, and I was thinking that
Speaker 6: that was why Trump allowed Elon to bring his son
Speaker 6: kind of as a security blanket, you know, therapy dog.
Speaker 1: Sure, Sooe, No, that's that's a good point. That's a
Speaker 1: good point. Well, Uh, can you give me an example
Speaker 1: of how Trump differs in a public space either at
Speaker 1: the press conference in the Oval office and his body
Speaker 1: language as opposed to say, Kamala Harris and her her
Speaker 1: body language and which always came off to me as
Speaker 1: very very nervous and unsure, I mean, went right along
Speaker 1: with that patented nervous laugh that she had anytime She
Speaker 1: couldn't come up with an answer to even simple questions.
Speaker 1: I mean, what did you notice about her in particular?
Speaker 1: Although we really don't have to watch her anymore, thank god.
Speaker 1: So what did you make of Kamala Harris's body language
Speaker 1: in different situations?
Speaker 6: She was all over the place. Kamala she has I
Speaker 6: you know, I've never met her personal I don't want to.
Speaker 6: But from what I have seen of her, uh, she
Speaker 6: has and what I know of her, she has imposter syndrome.
Speaker 6: She was always worried every minute. She was terrified that
Speaker 6: we were going to see that she was an impostive,
Speaker 6: an impostor. She did not know what she was doing
Speaker 6: as vice president. She was always laughing because she couldn't
Speaker 6: believe that she was vice president. You know, she was
Speaker 6: still still kind of trying to get over this. Really
Speaker 6: they elected me vice well, and then they elected Harris
Speaker 6: exactly exactly so, because she was just all over the
Speaker 6: place and making word salad and her and her body
Speaker 6: movement sort of reflected that Trump. Trump differs. You know,
Speaker 6: sometimes he is more expressive. He certainly is very facially expressive.
Speaker 6: You can tell what he was thinking, and you know,
Speaker 6: sometimes he's purposely facially expressive, like he wants you to
Speaker 6: know that he's like rolling his eyes, you know. And uh,
Speaker 6: and so it's it's always it's kind of different in
Speaker 6: different circumstances. But when he's more when he's the more
Speaker 6: serious he is, the more the less he uses his body,
Speaker 6: you know, the less the less he is demonstrating things
Speaker 6: with his body and the other than like to make
Speaker 6: with his hands to make a point or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: But but but some when he's really serious, he's more
Speaker 6: in his head and isn't really doing that much body wise.
Speaker 1: Well, well, what what I notice he's doing? And you
Speaker 1: talk about Elon Musk doing this at a press conference.
Speaker 1: Doctor Lieberman the other day said moving his hands far
Speaker 1: apart to show that he's open and then closing them together.
Speaker 1: And I see Donald Trump do that quite a bit
Speaker 1: when he's speaking and he's using his hands.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: However, I mean, I see these other politicians that they
Speaker 1: used to have the thing with the thumb just sticking
Speaker 1: out of the fist. What does that say to people?
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad I'm not seeing anybody Clinton did that,
Speaker 1: and uh, and I think one of the Bushes did
Speaker 1: that when they were speaking they you know, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Just have the fist with the
Speaker 1: thumb just kind of sticking out and reaching out to people.
Speaker 1: What what does that kind of a body motion say.
Speaker 6: Well, you mean like people, Yeah, but it's it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not pointing. And you see, especially Bill Clinton when
Speaker 1: he was talking in public do that or making a
Speaker 1: campaign speech, he had his his hand kind of fisted
Speaker 1: up and the thumb is just barely sticking out and
Speaker 1: he used it and in like a forward motion to
Speaker 1: make a point. What does that say?
Speaker 6: Well, a closed fist, especially, you know, pushing it out
Speaker 6: is an angry movement, is a you know, it's it's uh,
Speaker 6: it's like you better listen to me kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. That's what I got from it. Well, it's
Speaker 1: interesting stuff. I usually don't even think about it, but
Speaker 1: as I was reading the material for this conversation, I
Speaker 1: started thinking about that Oval Office press conference we've been
Speaker 1: talking about from the majority of the time, and how
Speaker 1: it always, even though Elon was standing up, you could
Speaker 1: tell who the president was and who was in charge,
Speaker 1: and it's Donald Trump. And it's nice to know that
Speaker 1: the person who was elected president is actually in charge.
Speaker 1: And running the country as opposed to what we lived
Speaker 1: with the previous four years with Joe Biden, where it
Speaker 1: was obvious, it was clearly obvious that all he was
Speaker 1: doing was signing what they told him to sign. Trump
Speaker 1: is signing. Trump is signing executive orders and pursuing an
Speaker 1: agenda that is his and the people who voted for
Speaker 1: his agenda, Well, Biden was pursuing someone's agenda. I don't
Speaker 1: know who it was, but I don't believe it was
Speaker 1: the American people.
Speaker 6: I believe it was Obama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did Obama have Did Obama have powerful body language?
Speaker 1: I thought he was very charismatic.
Speaker 6: Well, yes, he was definitely charismatic, but it was you know,
Speaker 6: it was all an act. It was all I mean,
Speaker 6: he was doing like look up here, while there's all
Speaker 6: these other things going on down there, What was they
Speaker 6: going to say? I was going to say something about
Speaker 6: it was interesting also in the in the debates, like
Speaker 6: I analyzed the debate with Trump and Kamala and jd
Speaker 6: Vance and uh Waltz, and Waltz was interesting because he
Speaker 6: was so nervous, you know, he was like it was
Speaker 6: like a barrel of monkeys, so jittery and and Vance.
Speaker 6: You know, I describe Vance as like the captain of
Speaker 6: a ship, very self confident, very calm. You know, you
Speaker 6: don't really. Body language is very interesting because the same
Speaker 6: uh motion, or the same you know, putting body parts
Speaker 6: in different places the same way can mean different things
Speaker 6: depending upon the context and depending upon what's being said,
Speaker 6: and so so you have to kind of take it
Speaker 6: all in in in the particular context that it's in,
Speaker 6: you know. But but yes, I think I think we
Speaker 6: can we can feel, you know, there and with with
Speaker 6: Trump and Elon, there is there was then, and there
Speaker 6: still is. All this controversy or criticism that that really
Speaker 6: Elon's running the show. People are trying to say, which
Speaker 6: of course isn't true. And yes, these examples show that
Speaker 6: it wasn't true with that particular press conference, but just
Speaker 6: in general, it's not true. He's just you know, he's
Speaker 6: happy to have Elon right, not just for his money,
Speaker 6: but but for his I mean, Elon is brilliant, and
Speaker 6: Trump is happy to use him in these particular places.
Speaker 6: But no Trump, he can never be president Elon and.
Speaker 1: No Carol, doctor Lieberman, thank you so much, America's psychiatrist
Speaker 1: body language expert, Doctor Carol Lieberman on the show tonight,
Speaker 1: and we appreciate your help. Thank you. You're welcome, right,
Speaker 1: you got it, Welcome to the night Cap into another
Speaker 1: hour on this Monday President's Night on seven hundred W
Speaker 1: l W. Gary Jeff Up. Next is I get these
Speaker 1: pitches all the time from these pr firms that are
Speaker 1: plugging authors who have books, and they want to get
Speaker 1: the word out that this material is out there so
Speaker 1: you will buy it or be interested in it. But
Speaker 1: I saw this and I said, this is something that
Speaker 1: I definitely have wanted to explore, and we have it
Speaker 1: in great detail on this show anyway. And so tonight
Speaker 1: our guest is Adam Goussot Gusso. Is am I right, Adam,
Speaker 1: Adam Gusso, I'm just learning Adam Gusso, who is a
Speaker 1: Princeton educated guy. And it's a book out called My
Speaker 1: Family and I a Mississippi memoir, And what it tackles
Speaker 1: is Adam's families struggle in what is still sadly a
Speaker 1: racially fractured world, at least ideologically in some people's minds.
Speaker 1: But the real living tells another story than what we
Speaker 1: are being fed about. The race divides in America in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and to talk about that and white
Speaker 1: privilege and h bomb Ferguson and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: Here's Adam Gusso, how are you doing, Adam.
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Gary, Thank you so much for having
Speaker 3: me on your show. You know, when you invite a
Speaker 3: professor on, what we do is we do some research.
Speaker 3: And so I was curious about WLW and discovered that
Speaker 3: you guys, I mean, I guess at one point you
Speaker 3: were the big one. But literally in the late thirties,
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand wats of power they had.
Speaker 1: They were given special dispensation from the government to have
Speaker 1: a five hundred thousand watt transmitter that was here in
Speaker 1: Mason At which is just outside of Cincinnati, and the
Speaker 1: Voice of America Tower and that whole part. It was
Speaker 1: only utilized for a couple of years as a test.
Speaker 1: And I'm surprised they did not have it turned on
Speaker 1: during World War Two when there could have been a
Speaker 1: real need to have the big One blasting out into
Speaker 1: Europe for the troops for information and news from home.
Speaker 1: But it's still with its fifty thousand watt clear channels signal.
Speaker 1: It still stretches into almost thirty eight states at night
Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico and is ubiquitous on the AM dial
Speaker 1: and it is still the big one.
Speaker 3: I'm quite sure that when I was the little, the
Speaker 3: ten to twelve year old with the old early fifties zenus,
Speaker 3: you know, record player radio, I was at night, I
Speaker 3: would go and you know the sounds that young people
Speaker 3: today don't know, and I heard c KLW out of
Speaker 3: like Hamilton, Ontario, whatever it was. But I'm sure that
Speaker 3: I heard you guys. So it's I just want to say,
Speaker 3: it's a huture honor to be with you today.
Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have us and with all this power,
Speaker 1: I know that at least a few people are listening.
Speaker 1: So let's let's talk about your path that has led
Speaker 1: you to this book. You're a professor, You were educated,
Speaker 1: You got a degree from Princeton. Is that right? Tell
Speaker 1: me more about Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm actually I'm I'm kind of one of those over
Speaker 3: educated fools. I was an undergrad at Princeton.
Speaker 1: I was the.
Speaker 3: Towny in my local day school in a little downstate
Speaker 3: New York town. But I went to Yeah, I went
Speaker 3: in as electrical engineer. Wanted to be working with musicians actually,
Speaker 3: which is funny because I mean I've become a musician
Speaker 3: as well as professor. I took some time off, worked
Speaker 3: in New York for a while, went back to graduate
Speaker 3: school at Columbia, and then dropped out and became a
Speaker 3: street musician, which is a sort of unusual career. Arc
Speaker 3: you were busky, became a busker. I was busking. I
Speaker 3: busted over and in Paris, I spoke a little bit
Speaker 3: of you know, high school French that I had to
Speaker 3: navigate the streets of Paris and ended up coming back.
Speaker 3: In the fall of eighty six, I ended up driving
Speaker 3: through Harlem. I was a writing tutor in this bombed
Speaker 3: out South Bronx, that of the imagination, you know, the
Speaker 3: South Bronx that was truly bombed out. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: was driving through Harlem. And I write about this actually
Speaker 3: in the second quarter of my book, because I ended
Speaker 3: up stopping and playing with an older black guitar player
Speaker 3: that everybody was calling Satan, which sounds unbelievable, and so
Speaker 3: I first day I heard his name, I said, well,
Speaker 3: Satan and Adam, I mean my we could play. It
Speaker 3: turned out we played for more than thirty years after that.
Speaker 1: Did he offer you an apple at any time.
Speaker 3: No, okay, funny, he goes, So how about a hand
Speaker 3: for the young man. When I played the first song
Speaker 3: that I played, and I talk about this moment in
Speaker 3: the book, we played a song and traffic stopped. This
Speaker 3: is Harlem in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3: Before Howard Beach. It's just before I mean, New York
Speaker 3: is a racially tense place, and Howard Beach was. There
Speaker 3: was a sort of racial murder out in John Gotti's
Speaker 3: neighborhood in Queens, but everybody was great. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is the I think. One thing I learned playing for
Speaker 3: four years part time as a Harlem street musician in
Speaker 3: my late twenties was I learned that black folks like
Speaker 3: white folks. White folks get along with black folks, that,
Speaker 3: in fact, if you actually get down on the ground
Speaker 3: level and it's just people talking to people, that in
Speaker 3: fact people want to have conversations. I still remember there
Speaker 3: was a guy who said, man, I'm from West Virginia,
Speaker 3: and then he thought I would know about country music,
Speaker 3: and like I was a you know, a white blues guy, right,
Speaker 3: I mean that's what I was. But what it did
Speaker 3: for me, and this is at the heart of my book.
Speaker 3: I began to read I mean, he's reading a lot
Speaker 3: of black lit, but I read a book by a
Speaker 3: couple of scholars that was about beloved community or beloved community,
Speaker 3: about Martin Luther King and his conception. We hear that phrase,
Speaker 3: you know, not to hope my children are judged not
Speaker 3: by the color of their skin, by the content of
Speaker 3: their character. But also John Lewis, to the end of
Speaker 3: his life, had this same vision. It was the vision
Speaker 3: honestly of Snake, which was a pretty hard left progressive
Speaker 3: civil rights sort of brotherhood in the early sixties, but
Speaker 3: it was black and white together. People forget that because
Speaker 3: black power kind of displaced that. By the mid sixties
Speaker 3: sixty six it began to come in. People forget that
Speaker 3: early day, early days with the interlock hands and we
Speaker 3: shall overcome and I and now everybody trivializes it was
Speaker 3: o kumbaya. But what if you actually try to live
Speaker 3: that vision? And that's that was a foundation. It's one
Speaker 3: of the frames that I think really helps people get
Speaker 3: a handle on my book what happened to that vision
Speaker 3: and why? Because by two thousand and three, I'll just
Speaker 3: say my book begins with a kind of train wreck
Speaker 3: in which this this young professor trained in African American studies.
Speaker 3: I went back to Princeton and did a dissertation on
Speaker 3: blues and Southern violence. But I was interested in racial healing.
Speaker 3: You know, in the in the in the Clinton years
Speaker 3: in the late nineties, there was a lot of talk
Speaker 3: about racial healing, racial reconciliation, that term racial healing. It
Speaker 3: was Clinton's initiative on race right, and it was in
Speaker 3: the aftermath of Rodney King and the LA riots or uprising,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it. So I was interested
Speaker 3: in that stuff, and there was one quadrant of it
Speaker 3: that really unnerved But I thought, if you're a researcher,
Speaker 3: you should go and investigate, which was when white folks
Speaker 3: get together on the hard left and go into these
Speaker 3: training workshops. This is something everybody became familiar with in
Speaker 3: the summer of twenty twenty. What I saw it at
Speaker 3: work in two thousand and three and I ended up
Speaker 3: were all it was all white people, and it was
Speaker 3: two trainers, and we were instructed in what I've come
Speaker 3: to understand really is kind of intersectional stuff, which is
Speaker 3: to set or the intersectional stack. If you have progressive listeners.
Speaker 3: They've heard this term, which means basically, if you're white,
Speaker 3: and you're male, and you're older, and you're presumptively upper class.
Speaker 3: I was a working class kid, but I had gone
Speaker 3: to Princeton, which is sort of upper class, meaning right
Speaker 3: attached to it. Anyway, I ended up basically finding myself.
Speaker 3: I was a researcher who said, well, I'm coming to
Speaker 3: participate in good faith, but I found myself in the
Speaker 3: center of what. I didn't have the term struggle session.
Speaker 3: I only heard that much later when that began to
Speaker 3: happen in the summer of twenty twenty. And beyond those
Speaker 3: sort of training sessions, well, a struggle session is when
Speaker 3: everybody's they say, basically, you're going to sit here and
Speaker 3: shut up. You're not going to say a word, and everybody,
Speaker 3: for as long as they want it's going to go
Speaker 3: around the circle and tell tell you how you hurt them.
Speaker 3: And I mean, what I talk about in my book
Speaker 3: is sitting there and letting that happen, and then suddenly
Speaker 3: thinking back to my days as a street musician in
Speaker 3: Harlem and the brotherhood i'd had with Sterling and his
Speaker 3: wife and traveling on the road for eight years where
Speaker 3: you are a family, and I thought in Harlem, there's
Speaker 3: no way in the world anybody who would let themselves
Speaker 3: be silenced. And I ended up getting angry, which I
Speaker 3: think is an instructive lesson. This is the beginning of
Speaker 3: the book. This is like the prologue, saying this way
Speaker 3: doesn't work when we're judging everybody that way, right, when
Speaker 3: we're not really interested in the gray areas, We're not
Speaker 3: really interested in the subtleties. We're not trying to create brotherhood.
Speaker 3: We're not trying to create a community of like minded
Speaker 3: souls who are struggling to get better. We're struggling when
Speaker 3: we're doing something else. There's something very wrong and diseased.
Speaker 3: I had always thought to myself. I grew up in
Speaker 3: a progressive family. My dad was a delegate for McGovern
Speaker 3: He worked for Bobby Kennedy in Oregon. You know that
Speaker 3: I was that kind of guy. But I think this
Speaker 3: shocked me and I put it away. I got married
Speaker 3: to my beloved Sherry Black, Texan, had a son, did
Speaker 3: my part to sort of make the world a better place.
Speaker 3: I've never been an activist, but I you know, in
Speaker 3: my teaching. I try to teach the truths of black
Speaker 3: history when when they're irrelevant. Well, but I think in
Speaker 3: the summer of twenty twenty, I suddenly felt like something
Speaker 3: was really seriously off. And so I'm one of those
Speaker 3: you could call me the liberal who sort of moves
Speaker 3: a step to the towards the center when he realizes
Speaker 3: people are getting crazy on the right. Doesn't mean people
Speaker 3: aren't can't be crazy on the sorry crazy on the left.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean they can't be crazy on the far right.
Speaker 1: Well, they certainly are. I mean I know people on
Speaker 1: the right who are certainly crazy, and I have seen
Speaker 1: demonstrations of people on the left or supposedly on the left,
Speaker 1: being definitely insane, especially since January twentieth. So so what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing here and what I'm gleaning from all of this, Adam,
Speaker 1: is that you can be a fan and a friend
Speaker 1: of that brotherhood and show that and you are an activist.
Speaker 1: You're an activist for good if you just embrace the
Speaker 1: fact that we're all human beings. We may come from
Speaker 1: different places and look differently, but we all have the
Speaker 1: same basic wants and needs, and we need and we
Speaker 1: need love, and we need belonging, and we need all
Speaker 1: of those things. So if you practice that, whether you're
Speaker 1: vocal or not, you are in fact an activist, right yeah, And.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, so the word maybe I don't think
Speaker 3: of myself as an activist, but I it's a funny
Speaker 3: way you could say that I was living my anti racism.
Speaker 3: That's a word again, but I don't. I don't like
Speaker 3: because of the way it's been sort of used and twisted.
Speaker 3: But I was sort of living that idea that we're
Speaker 3: just people and we're gonna we're projecting in the face
Speaker 3: of a world, by the way, that does have a
Speaker 3: lot of people at each other's throws, and sometimes the
Speaker 3: race is a part of that. Race gets used. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot of us in the middle somewhere. And
Speaker 3: one of the ways of thinking about my book is
Speaker 3: I'm telling you the story about enormy interracial family and
Speaker 3: contemporary Mississippi. Now, just to phrase it like that, you go,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, Mississippi isn't that didn't I just read
Speaker 3: write Thompson's book The Barn about Emmett tells Lynching, and
Speaker 3: I did, well, I did, And it's a great book,
Speaker 3: but it's only half a story. And if you only
Speaker 3: have Mississippi Burning and the movie Crossroads, which I've written
Speaker 3: about and talked about. It's a fun movie with Ralph
Speaker 3: Maccio and Seneca. But if you only have those things, well,
Speaker 3: here's the thing. Nobody ever writes the book that I've written.
Speaker 3: In other words, people is so interesting, Gary? Is that people?
Speaker 3: One thing I discovered when I finished my book I
Speaker 3: had I had taught a course here at Ole, miss
Speaker 3: on interracial family memoirs. I was interested in the idea.
Speaker 3: I hadn't even thought about writing my own book, but
Speaker 3: I James McBride's The Color of Water, a black son's
Speaker 3: you know, homage to his white mother. There was this.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a whole tradition. It's interesting. There's quite
Speaker 3: a few books out there. And I taught a course
Speaker 3: on that none of the books were written by white men.
Speaker 3: And I thought that that's kind of strange. Maybe I
Speaker 3: just missed something. So I so, when once I finished
Speaker 3: my book, I went looking. I thought, surely in the
Speaker 3: fifty seven years since Loving the Virginia right, And I
Speaker 3: mean i'd seen the movie Loving my Wife, and I
Speaker 3: went and saw it. Great to have that movie with
Speaker 3: Richard loving and Mildred loving and a sort of an
Speaker 3: interracial relationship that was that began basically or I was
Speaker 3: born nineteen fifty eight, but by nineteen sixty seven it
Speaker 3: was at the Supreme Court. What I discovered is that
Speaker 3: I could only find one other book in the category
Speaker 3: of I guess the acronym is WM slash b W
Speaker 3: white man, black woman. You heard these strange acronyms. I'll
Speaker 3: tell you in a minute. Well, it turns out there's
Speaker 3: a whole tradition. By the way, if you were to
Speaker 3: google BWWM, what you'd find is there's a flourishing tradition
Speaker 3: of black women white man romances, all of them written
Speaker 3: by black women. It's interesting. So there's a whole market
Speaker 3: out there. But if you're talking about a book written
Speaker 3: by Richard Lovin to talk about his wife, Mildred and
Speaker 3: their family, there's only one that I could find, and
Speaker 3: interestingly enough, it was by the former senator and defense
Speaker 3: the head of a defense department, William Cohen. Of all things,
Speaker 3: he had a book called Love in Black and White.
Speaker 3: He got married later in his life to a black
Speaker 3: news kind of news anchor, Janet Langhart, and a wonderful book,
Speaker 3: and I believe.
Speaker 1: It or not.
Speaker 3: I said, you know, I'm going to track him down
Speaker 3: and email him, and you never hear back from people.
Speaker 3: By god, he gave me a GAMI and endorsement. It's
Speaker 3: just he was awfully nice. I think that that service
Speaker 3: thing really helps any case. So I'm one way to
Speaker 3: think about my book is I'm trying to just give
Speaker 3: you that story, which you never get coming out of Mississippi.
Speaker 4: You get.
Speaker 3: If it's a race, story's going to be violence, that's
Speaker 3: going to be racism. It's going to be that stuff.
Speaker 3: And ours we have, I mean, you know, there's a
Speaker 3: few small things, but we basically live a really happy life.
Speaker 3: And one of the main focuses is on my son Sean,
Speaker 3: who's now a freshman at Ole miss He's a music
Speaker 3: performance major, and there's actually strong elements of comedy in
Speaker 3: the portrait that I offer of him, because he is
Speaker 3: a gifted, musically gifted kid. Not blues, he's not. He's
Speaker 3: uninterested in the harmonica, but he plays everything else. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a harmonica players, but he plays horn.
Speaker 3: So he's now he's a trombone player and a euphonium
Speaker 3: player with perfect pitch. I mean the choir's two his voice,
Speaker 3: it's quite crazy, and he plays John Phillips's And so
Speaker 3: one of the stories I tell, just one, remember that
Speaker 3: the whole period in twenty it's like twenty twenty, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 3: when they were tearing down monuments. I mean it got
Speaker 3: to the point where right where, you know, and Abraham
Speaker 3: Lincoln is like the slave or the slave whatever, Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 3: I mean, nobody survived. Right. So in Old miss we
Speaker 3: have in Oxford, we have two Confederate monuments, and the
Speaker 3: one that was on campus got moved to the Confederate
Speaker 3: Battlefield of Confederate what do you call it? Got moved
Speaker 3: to a place not in the main part of campus.
Speaker 3: And so that was fine, but there's one downtown. There's a
Speaker 3: conduct Confederate soldier. My son goes out to bust with
Speaker 3: his trombone and he gets right in front of that
Speaker 3: statue and he plays. He calls me on his iPhone.
Speaker 3: He's been out there for fifteen minutes, and he you know,
Speaker 3: he busts from time to time, but that summer when
Speaker 3: everybody's like they're marching around these things, he gets out
Speaker 3: nobody's marching that day, and he plays John Phillips, and
Speaker 3: he plays the Darth Vader Imperial March, and he plays
Speaker 3: the kinds of things people and the almost fight song.
Speaker 3: He calls me up, he goes dance. Somebody stopped their car,
Speaker 3: got out and gave me one hundred dollars bill. Huh,
Speaker 3: that's not a story that Faulkner's going to tell you
Speaker 3: about a mixed race. No.
Speaker 1: So I just want to get her. I want to
Speaker 1: get your opinions on this. Talking to Adam Gusso again,
Speaker 1: the book is My Family and I a Mississippi memoir.
Speaker 1: This this thing that happened in the mid sixties where
Speaker 1: it went from the message of Martin Luther King to
Speaker 1: black power, and you had people who were they tried
Speaker 1: to segregate the civil rights movement more or less is
Speaker 1: what they did actually. So it was a do you think,
Speaker 1: just your opinion, do you think this was a nefarious
Speaker 1: attempt by Marxist who want to destroy our country?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: I I to make something to make something a race
Speaker 1: war that's really about something else, to use RA as
Speaker 1: a tool.
Speaker 3: They some of them were Marxists. They were thinking they
Speaker 3: were framing what was happening in America, these the liberation
Speaker 3: movements in other countries and sort of African countries getting decolonized.
Speaker 3: I think, look what I do know, And if I'm
Speaker 3: reading the biography of John Lewis right now by Greenberg,
Speaker 3: one of the things that's interesting is that Fanny lou
Speaker 3: Hamer and John Lewis were very much and Bob Moses,
Speaker 3: all three of them were. They wanted to keep the
Speaker 3: interracialist element of the civil rights movement, but there was
Speaker 3: a lot of anger. Interestingly enough, the anger kind of
Speaker 3: burst to the surface, like right after the Voting Rights
Speaker 3: Act of nineteen sixty five, when WATS goes up. So
Speaker 3: there's a way in which when you achieved some of
Speaker 3: the really significant victories of the civil rights movement, then
Speaker 3: there's a lot of anger that hasn't been addressed at
Speaker 3: There's still a lot of inequality at that point. But
Speaker 3: what was clear was that there was a tension within
Speaker 3: the civil rights movement itself between those who wanted to
Speaker 3: keep things kind of transracial on those who wanted to
Speaker 3: go another way. And I think historically, I mean, black
Speaker 3: power emerges in the summer of sixty six in Greenwood, Mississippi,
Speaker 3: when Stokely Carmichael is on a march there at the
Speaker 3: end by the Wayland. This should it's this march on
Speaker 3: fear and James Meredith, who does the wonderful thing at Ole,
Speaker 3: miss in retrospect in sixty two. He's doing another march
Speaker 3: in sixty six, and he gets shot down by a
Speaker 3: white guy with a rifle just as he enters Mississippi.
Speaker 3: So the march continues and King and Carmichael and lots
Speaker 3: of others come. It's an interesting, fascinating historical moment. But
Speaker 3: that's the moment in which Carmichael throws that phrase black power.
Speaker 3: We need black power, black power, black power, and it
Speaker 3: transfixes the national press, and it's sort of all over
Speaker 3: at that point for that transracial ideal. And I think
Speaker 3: one of my arguments is that we might want to
Speaker 3: go back and take a look and see if there's
Speaker 3: some important remnants there. And I do think that interracial
Speaker 3: families a contemporary America are one place where King's dream
Speaker 3: is being lived out. I know I'm not alone. I'm
Speaker 3: sure your audience there are people probably sitting by their
Speaker 3: radios right now going I've never heard anybody talk about
Speaker 3: interracial families. They should be doing that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, they are a reality, and I just I want
Speaker 1: to get to the point where we're not talking bw WM,
Speaker 1: We're just talking about men and women. I agree, because
Speaker 1: that's all it is. I mean that the amount of
Speaker 1: melanin in your skin shouldn't matter to anybody, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to my son.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the funny thing. In fact, I'm
Speaker 3: going to tell you something that's not in the book.
Speaker 3: But there was only one time when I saw a
Speaker 3: shadow across my son's face. It's very interesting. My wife,
Speaker 3: by the ways, read the book and everything, and it
Speaker 3: is fine with her. My son, I thought, well, he
Speaker 3: probably ought to know there's a book in which he's
Speaker 3: kind of a character. And so at one point he
Speaker 3: I said, well take a look at this, you know,
Speaker 3: and he began to read and number one he said,
Speaker 3: well you really you captured people's voices. And then he
Speaker 3: got to the point where I'm talking about his application
Speaker 3: to the Interlock and Arts Academy. Basically, if you're a
Speaker 3: Mississippi band kid you want to break out into the
Speaker 3: big time, you could go to a couple of places,
Speaker 3: but Interlock, in which is in rural Michigan, just below
Speaker 3: Traverse City. That was like one of the places. And
Speaker 3: I knew that he had a shot because he was
Speaker 3: a he's a great player. But I did something that
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed about ultimately, which is kind of I
Speaker 3: knew that a biracial kid from Mississippi was going to
Speaker 3: be absolutely irresistible to the folks who were letting people
Speaker 3: into this camp. It was a pretty progressive camp and
Speaker 3: a school, and I just knew they were going to
Speaker 3: jump jump on him. But I didn't. I shouldn't have
Speaker 3: used that, but I did, and he got in. He
Speaker 3: was third chair out of five in the euphonium, which
Speaker 3: is like his other instruments. I say, But when he
Speaker 3: was reading it, he read it and he looked at me.
Speaker 3: His face dropped. He goes, I didn't did I did?
Speaker 3: I just get in because I'm in Mississippi and I'm
Speaker 3: and I'm biracial. And it was like I thought, oh crap,
Speaker 3: because I really had felt awkward in the aftermath. But
Speaker 3: when he read it's the only time, which tells you something.
Speaker 3: It tells you that young people today mix, call them
Speaker 3: mixed kids, call them whoever they are, but young I
Speaker 3: think young people don't want to feel. They want to
Speaker 3: feel they've gotten there by virtue of their character, in
Speaker 3: his case, his musical character, and he was good enough.
Speaker 3: And I so it's one of the moments in the
Speaker 3: book where I kind of if I used the word
Speaker 3: woke very often, it's just not a word I like
Speaker 3: to use because it kind of reifies something that's a
Speaker 3: little more complicated. But it's a place where I I
Speaker 3: hewed to the to the woke script. I knew that
Speaker 3: that would help him to tip in if you will,
Speaker 3: and I and I felt bad at the bad and
Speaker 3: at the aftermath of it, and now I I recognize.
Speaker 1: Adam, Adam, I am sorry. We're we're out of time here.
Speaker 1: We didn't even get a chance to talk about h bomb.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe we'll schedule another interview so we can just
Speaker 1: talk about your connections to Cincinnati. Adam Gusso, the author,
Speaker 1: My Family and I a Mississippi memoir, and I think
Speaker 1: it's must read for anybody who thinks that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're really that different and we're that far apart, because
Speaker 1: there's no need to give.
Speaker 3: And I really hope it does.
Speaker 1: It should it should, It should give people Hope, Thank
Speaker 1: you Adam, Thank you Gary so much. We haven't quite
Speaker 1: concluded our little lap yet. More of the Nightcap as
Speaker 1: we wrap it up. Coming up after the next break
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. Tony Piker looking for a smart
Speaker 1: way to upgrade your ride, your Special Forces green beret,
Speaker 1: founder of Silver Corp USA, a private security firm specializing
Speaker 1: in high risk operations. And we're going to be talking
Speaker 1: about our relationship with South America here in the United
Speaker 1: States and what has occurred, of course with President Trump
Speaker 1: now being our president again, and you know, just talking
Speaker 1: about maybe liberating Latin America and Latin America is all
Speaker 1: in favor of US assistants, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: something as crucial as getting rid of Maduro in Venezuela,
Speaker 1: the dictator there who has disrupted so much of not
Speaker 1: only his country but the rest of the Americas with
Speaker 1: the release of prisoners and the people fleeing Venezuela because
Speaker 1: they don't want to live under Communists or Marxist dictatorship,
Speaker 1: and they're all they seemingly not all, but a majority
Speaker 1: of Latin and South American countries would like to see
Speaker 1: Madua gone, and they would welcome the us help in
Speaker 1: making that happen. And the guy who can tell me
Speaker 1: one way or another if I'm on target with this
Speaker 1: as our guest, Jordan Gudreau. How are you doing, Jordan?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 3: How are you done doing?
Speaker 1: Fantastic, sir, So. United States has been looked at as
Speaker 1: a world leader and still as a world leader around
Speaker 1: the globe, but especially on this side of the globe.
Speaker 1: In Latin America, countries like Columbia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Chile,
Speaker 1: Mexico want the US to actually use our military to
Speaker 1: depose Maduro in Argentina. That's a majority of people in
Speaker 1: all of those countries. What are the prospects of that
Speaker 1: happening and what would it mean? Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: really difficult.
Speaker 8: Obviously, four years ago, there was a big push when
Speaker 8: President Trump was in office. He wanted to do something
Speaker 8: decisive in Venezuela, and obviously people and you know, I
Speaker 8: guess agencies CIA namely wanted a different method to try
Speaker 8: to fix the Venezuela problem, and so there was a
Speaker 8: lot of Because of that, nothing really came of the
Speaker 8: Venezuela problem four years ago. Now when you fast forward,
Speaker 8: by the administration really did nothing and so now President Trump,
Speaker 8: he's kind of faced with a similar problem. However, what
Speaker 8: has changed is the people around him. He now trusts
Speaker 8: in the CIA. Obviously, when he was in office four
Speaker 8: years ago, it was Gina Haspell. Now you've got people
Speaker 8: he can trust. You've got Tulsea Gabbert coming in in
Speaker 8: charge of the intelligence community, You've got you'll have individuals
Speaker 8: in place in the State Department that will help President
Speaker 8: Trump facilitate his strategic will in Venezuela. But I think
Speaker 8: it's going to take time to figure out what that
Speaker 8: is going to be, what it's going to look like.
Speaker 8: Obviously President Trump doesn't have a lot of trust for
Speaker 8: a lot of the individuals who I guess would be
Speaker 8: labeled the Venezuelan opposition government, and so it's going to
Speaker 8: take time to develop those connections and develop trust between
Speaker 8: the Venezuelan opposition government and the Trump administration.
Speaker 1: Is there a danger of just making things worse? Because
Speaker 1: we're well aware that the CIA has used in their
Speaker 1: dark ups assassinations to overthrow governments and have worked covertly
Speaker 1: to overthrow foreign governments, And in many cases, we created
Speaker 1: more of a mess than we solved, And there's always
Speaker 1: a danger of that isn't there.
Speaker 8: There is, But you also have to realize the last
Speaker 8: decade the CIA has really been ex accuting, you know,
Speaker 8: their own foreign policy. They have had a strange autonomy
Speaker 8: that is not normal. I guess I would say, when
Speaker 8: when you have a sitting president, like obviously four years ago,
Speaker 8: a sitting president who has who has a an intent
Speaker 8: for a country and for a relationship with the country,
Speaker 8: and the CIA essentially works against that president, that provides
Speaker 8: an interesting set of problems.
Speaker 4: So when we fast forward now.
Speaker 8: We again we see that anything that the CIA, and
Speaker 8: this is this would be what we would see now
Speaker 8: is a CIA under the control of a new administration.
Speaker 8: They would no longer have the autonomy that they had
Speaker 8: back four years ago. They would be bending to the
Speaker 8: will of the president's President Trump. So I think that
Speaker 8: opens up a whole set of options that were available
Speaker 8: four years ago.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the other many people will
Speaker 1: say imperial kind of imperialist kind of bents that President
Speaker 1: Trump has displayed in some of his comments, say about
Speaker 1: Greenland and about Canada, and just I know you were
Speaker 1: focusing on the Latin America situation in Venezuela in particular.
Speaker 1: But Greenland is a very important strategic island. Sure, with
Speaker 1: Russia and China both trying to get not only the
Speaker 1: resources that are the natural resources that are under Greenland,
Speaker 1: but also from a strategic standpoint, Greenland is maybe the
Speaker 1: most important apple of Trump's eye, isn't it. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's a crucially important area of the globe.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 8: So let's go back to the Monroe doctrine. Essentially, just
Speaker 8: a paraphrase, Monroe doctrine essentially said that we want to
Speaker 8: have i know, foreign obviously no enemies uh in our hemisphere.
Speaker 8: And so that applies to Greenland and South America. And
Speaker 8: so we have largely adhere to this doctrine over the
Speaker 8: you know, minus the last decade. For some reason, we
Speaker 8: have been giving up ground to our enemies, obviously China, uh.
Speaker 8: And you see that in Brazil, in Argentina. You see
Speaker 8: that in the economic wars and the economic control of
Speaker 8: countries like Canada, and so obviously Brazil is a member
Speaker 8: of the Bricks Nations, Argentine has several you know, mining
Speaker 8: contracts with China. Argentina is doing the same sort of business,
Speaker 8: and so it's a real problem for the United States.
Speaker 8: And so when when there's rhetoric that's that's talked about
Speaker 8: on social media or the mainstream media that that basically, uh,
Speaker 8: you know, antagonizes or is bad to Trump Donald Trump
Speaker 8: because he's basically saying we need to control these areas.
Speaker 1: It's really wrong.
Speaker 8: Essentially, at the national strategic President Trump's job is to
Speaker 8: protect the United States and protect us from military threat
Speaker 8: economic threats. The only way he can do that militarily
Speaker 8: is to have that white space that adheres to the
Speaker 8: Monroe doctrine. We need to control Greenland because it is
Speaker 8: white space. White space is essentially it is area, a
Speaker 8: geographic area where we can stage and we can be
Speaker 8: sure that enemies are not staging military forces, same as
Speaker 8: South America. I don't know if you caught it, but
Speaker 8: two months ago there was you know, Russian subs in
Speaker 8: the Caribbean Sea and they were getting refueled in Venezuela.
Speaker 8: I think in Cuba, this constitutes white space for our enemies.
Speaker 8: Is contrary to the Mouroe doctrine.
Speaker 1: Well, we need to pursue them Inroe doctrine. Again, it
Speaker 1: was a good policy, just not because we want to
Speaker 1: expand the country. We just want to keep ours safe
Speaker 1: America first. Once again, Jordan goodru, thank you for your time,
Speaker 1: and this bears some more conversation and maybe we can
Speaker 1: have it a later date.
Speaker 4: All right, thank you, sir, appreciate.
Speaker 1: It, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 4: You bet.
Speaker 1: We'll wrap up with the wild Man. Well, jolt of
Speaker 1: the wild Man here on a Monday night seven under
Speaker 1: WLW the Wildman, the aforementioned wild Man, who, yes, I
Speaker 1: still owe him a dollar from the Super Bowl and
Speaker 1: he's gonna get his dollar. Maybe I'd try to talk
Speaker 1: him into coming to the after the show show anniversary
Speaker 1: party on March fifteenth, but we well, we'll work that out.
Speaker 1: But I'd like to make a special presentation of the
Speaker 1: dollar that I owe wild Man for my chiefs losing
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. There are some other big sporting events
Speaker 1: that have been going on this week and have gone
Speaker 1: on this week that we wanted to cover tonight. Wildman. First,
Speaker 1: in the four nation hockey playoff tournament that's been going
Speaker 1: on between US, Canada and Finland and who else Russia
Speaker 1: or Sweden, Sweden?
Speaker 3: Sweden?
Speaker 1: Okay, so uh, the US hockey team was booed in Canada.
Speaker 1: What the hell is going on there?
Speaker 4: Well you tell me, we'll both know.
Speaker 9: I mean, the PA announcer said, you know, please be
Speaker 9: respectful before.
Speaker 1: They even started the national athemm.
Speaker 9: As soon as the guy started singing our national athm,
Speaker 9: the fans started booing keep politics out of sports. I
Speaker 9: don't care if you don't agree with what's going on
Speaker 9: in Washington, d C. With these Canucks, but you don't boo.
Speaker 3: You don't boo.
Speaker 1: They boo the whole time the guy was singing. So
Speaker 1: we know what that did though for t wus say, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll stick.
Speaker 4: It to you.
Speaker 9: We'll have three fights in the first nine seconds and
Speaker 9: kick your ass and they'll go out there and kick
Speaker 9: your ass and beat you in Canada.
Speaker 1: Well, uh, I think it's a little it's it's especially
Speaker 1: disrespectful considering they're gonna be our fifty first state soon.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna they're gonna feel you know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have egg on their their faces when the moose
Speaker 1: gets loose and Donald Trump decides to go ahead and
Speaker 1: pull the trigger there and make Canada our fifty first state.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we want people like that. We've
Speaker 1: already got enough problems in this country without recruiting these
Speaker 1: these angry, disrespectful Canucks, don't.
Speaker 3: We You got that right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I was.
Speaker 9: I was so mad when I heard him boring, and
Speaker 9: you know, I thought, come on, people, I mean, just
Speaker 9: like I said, keep politics out of sports. You know,
Speaker 9: it's just it's just there's no there's no need for
Speaker 9: just that's just classless. It's just totally classless. And I
Speaker 9: was so glad that the uh, the Team USA, you know,
Speaker 9: whipped their ass. They really did whip their ass on
Speaker 9: the ice on both ends, fighting and playing hockey.
Speaker 1: Now, now Canada are aren't Aren't they gonna play again?
Speaker 3: Wild man?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: They played that well, they played. They played early this afternoon.
Speaker 9: Okay, so there, so there's a chance we could meet
Speaker 9: again on Thursday.
Speaker 4: For the title.
Speaker 1: All right, all right? And the games are going on
Speaker 1: in both Canada and the United States. When they're a
Speaker 1: game in Boston today, is that right?
Speaker 9: Uh, there's a game, and there's a game going on.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to tell you to score.
Speaker 9: There's a game going on in Boston, Team USA and Sweden.
Speaker 1: All right, right now, okay, so what what about the
Speaker 1: NBA All Star Game? I'm never I've never been a
Speaker 1: fan of all Star games. Baseball. Yes, that's about the
Speaker 1: only major sport all Star game that I actually enjoy
Speaker 1: watching from time to time because you get to see
Speaker 1: a lot of players and a lot of pitchers, and
Speaker 1: there's a definite strategy, and there is something at stake
Speaker 1: for the winning league, or there used to be. And
Speaker 1: one of the worst things that ever happened at All
Speaker 1: Star games was the year the Bud Sea League declared
Speaker 1: that there would be a tie that was the most
Speaker 1: dissatisfying and I mean a disservice to the All Star
Speaker 1: Game in Major League Baseball. I like Major League Baseball
Speaker 1: All Star games. I've not watched an NBA All Star Game.
Speaker 1: Of course, this four team tournament we were just talking
Speaker 1: about is taking the place of the NHL All Star
Speaker 1: Game this year. And you know, the Pro bowls just
Speaker 1: a joke. But do you agree with me that MLB's
Speaker 1: All Star Game is by far the best of any
Speaker 1: of the major sports.
Speaker 9: Oh, it's still the best. Yeah, it's still the best.
Speaker 9: When the Sea League did that time, he declared it
Speaker 9: a tie at the All Star Game in Milwaukee, me
Speaker 9: and my son were there. My son was only like twelve,
Speaker 9: eleven years old. Remember the comment, now I've seen everything, Dad.
Speaker 1: From eleven year old.
Speaker 9: Well, from a tie game, and then they decided to
Speaker 9: make it if he won the game, it would be
Speaker 9: home field advantage. And then that that didn't go over either.
Speaker 9: So now it's just, you know, it's it's just the
Speaker 9: All Star Game and you get to see, you know,
Speaker 9: the best players.
Speaker 1: But the NBA All Star Game, Gary Jeff, back in
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 9: I don't want to sound like a little you know,
Speaker 9: back in the day it was worth watching, it really was.
Speaker 9: But now with a three point shot and the guys
Speaker 9: just fired at three pointers and some don't even want
Speaker 9: to be there. And then they changed the format, which
Speaker 9: I didn't understand at all. And then the last night
Speaker 9: was just it was the.
Speaker 1: Lowest of the low.
Speaker 9: They had comic Kevin Hart out there for I don't
Speaker 9: know what is from what his deal was, but that
Speaker 9: guy is not funny anymore, and he just looked out
Speaker 9: of place, and like a lot of the players looked
Speaker 9: like they were like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: You making these wise cracks And it was just dumb.
Speaker 4: It was just dumb.
Speaker 1: What role did Kevin Hard play in the NBA All
Speaker 1: Star game. I thought this was for NBA players.
Speaker 9: He was just like like a like the like an
Speaker 9: assistant MC announcer, and he was, you know, making comments
Speaker 9: during the game and before the game, and it was
Speaker 9: just it was just bad.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: And then you know Lebron James, you know, I mean, the.
Speaker 9: Guys, the guy is great, but he didn't play, and
Speaker 9: he didn't let anybody know until the last minute. Well,
Speaker 9: you know that that's kind of being selfish in a
Speaker 9: way because another guy could have played. So you know,
Speaker 9: he came out and walked out on the pub. I'm
Speaker 9: going to walked out on the deck there and waved
Speaker 9: to the crowd. But he didn't even play.
Speaker 1: The biggest star in the league and he doesn't play.
Speaker 9: And I understand that he's got an injury, but most
Speaker 9: of these guys don't want to play Garrit Jeff because
Speaker 9: their friend are gonna get hurt. I completed I to
Speaker 9: a three point shooting contest. Luckily, Steph Curry probably saved
Speaker 9: the day with the way the way he was banging
Speaker 9: down three pointers. I mean, that guy is unbelievable. I mean,
Speaker 9: there are no more works for a guy that can
Speaker 9: shoot three pointers like him.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, so what was you remember the final
Speaker 1: score because it's always like one hundred and sixty to
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty or whatever. No, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: now they only played to like forty.
Speaker 9: I think it was like the first team to win
Speaker 9: for you get the four because they played like three
Speaker 9: different cut of three different rounds, team Team Shack and
Speaker 9: Team Charles.
Speaker 1: It was just dumb.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 1: The highlight of the no no, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on. It wasn't like the Eastern Conference versus the
Speaker 1: Western cons Oh, I didn't know that. That's how out
Speaker 1: of touch I am with the NBA. Old, you're not
Speaker 1: missing that, You're not missing nothing.
Speaker 9: Just the highlight though, was they picked they picked out
Speaker 9: a fan with the stands to participate in a in
Speaker 9: a half court a contest with I can't remember the
Speaker 9: player's name, but they were throwing half court shots. He
Speaker 9: made the let just as time went out. This kid
Speaker 9: made the shot.
Speaker 1: Were one hundred thousand dollars. Oh that's great.
Speaker 4: That that Oh it was great.
Speaker 3: And Shaq was there.
Speaker 5: Shaq was there.
Speaker 1: They were all just jumping up and down of his
Speaker 1: crazy I can watch that on YouTube without wasting any
Speaker 1: time watching the rest of that garbage. Wild Man, listen,
Speaker 1: I got to run, brother, but thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And your dollar is coming better?
Speaker 3: Are you better? I don't know.
Speaker 9: I got maybe, he said Moosa Roco to get it.
Speaker 1: I gotta frame it for you because you're not going
Speaker 1: to spend this dollar. It's it's a special.
Speaker 3: I got a perfect place to hang.
Speaker 1: Not every not everybody wins a bet with Gary Jeff Walker,
Speaker 1: Thank you, wild Man. With that, we conclude the nightcap
Speaker 1: with the playing of our national anthem to honor America.
Speaker 1: Canadians shut Up.