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<v Speaker 1>Howdy Garry Jeff Walter back on this Monday night at

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<v Speaker 1>President's Day, and at the top of tonight's show, the

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<v Speaker 1>question is are you a pet person or not? You

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<v Speaker 1>got a doggie or a kiddy that you're just enamored

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<v Speaker 1>with and feel like your life wouldn't be complete without

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<v Speaker 1>that other living creature sharing your domicile. Some people are

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<v Speaker 1>pet people, some people are not. I, for one, have

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<v Speaker 1>always been a pet person, and I wasn't really a

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<v Speaker 1>cat person growing up. We always had dogs when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a kid. I think there was Potzi the cocker

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<v Speaker 1>Spaniel when we lived in South Carolina. We moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Illinois and I had Fluffy and prints into Tennessee. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when I got out in the world on my own,

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<v Speaker 1>I started dating girls or in a couple of cases,

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<v Speaker 1>married some women who happened to have cats. They loved cats,

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<v Speaker 1>so I learned to love cats over there, so at

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<v Speaker 1>least some cats, but most recently, and you may have

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<v Speaker 1>heard this earlier on a show that I was on

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<v Speaker 1>for Scott Sloan on Friday, when I found out in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the show that my beloved cat dog

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll explain in a minute, Brooksy had suddenly passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been sick or anything like that, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>was such a shock. So the weekend was a time

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<v Speaker 1>to ponder and reflect on the great memories that my

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<v Speaker 1>wife christ to two point zero and I had with

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<v Speaker 1>Brooksy the cat dog. Why was Brooksy a cat dog? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>when we got him from the Kenton County County Amino Boy,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy for me to say Kenton County Animal Shelter,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was just about eight weeks old. We vowed

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<v Speaker 1>that we would keep him inside the house, but we

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<v Speaker 1>liked to spend some time, especially when the weather's warm,

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<v Speaker 1>out of the front porch and sit and listen to music,

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<v Speaker 1>and we wanted him to be able to enjoy that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he was about three months old, we'd had

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<v Speaker 1>him for about a month, I bought a harness at

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<v Speaker 1>a pet store and just tried it on him. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course cats, you know how cats are with things

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<v Speaker 1>around their body. You tie a sock around a cat's body,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll just fall over or be completely paralyzed. And it

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<v Speaker 1>took a couple of times putting the harness on Brooksy,

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<v Speaker 1>but eventually he got used to it and he could

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<v Speaker 1>walk around with it and didn't mine. So I got

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<v Speaker 1>a run a little line tied to the porch and

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<v Speaker 1>a leash, and I'd put on Brooksy's harness, and I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go outside, and his eyesould get real

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<v Speaker 1>wide and open, and I'd take him out. Sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>went out with him. Other times he was just out

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<v Speaker 1>on his own and enjoined the great outdoors. Brooksy protected

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<v Speaker 1>that yard. It was his yard. When he was out there,

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<v Speaker 1>he could only go to the sidewalk and no further.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't get to the road, thank god. He only weaseled

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<v Speaker 1>his way out of the harness a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, and if a dog or another cat, god forbid,

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<v Speaker 1>came into one blade of grass into Brooksy's yard, he

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<v Speaker 1>was right there, claws out, ready to attack. There were

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of dogs that came with bloody noses, and

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<v Speaker 1>we apologized to the owners, but you know, their dog

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<v Speaker 1>was in Brooksy's yard. It wasn't like the cat was

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<v Speaker 1>going out looking for trouble. Just don't come in my yard.

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<v Speaker 1>He followed us around like a puppy dog. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere we went. If the cat wasn't asleep, he was

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<v Speaker 1>right on our heels. Sometimes underfoot and sometimes that got

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<v Speaker 1>him stepped on. Sometimes it tripped us up. But he

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<v Speaker 1>just had to be with us. We couldn't go to

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom alone. This cat was like Velcrow. And then

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<v Speaker 1>he played fetch. I've got video of him playing fetch

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<v Speaker 1>and me walking him on his leash out on the

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk because occasionally I do that. But Brooksy was unlike

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<v Speaker 1>any other cat or animal I've ever been around, just

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<v Speaker 1>for affection and for I don't know, adherence to a

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle that we all shared. And if you've had a

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<v Speaker 1>pet like that, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't, one time in your life, try it,

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<v Speaker 1>you might like it. I got a friend Doug Monson

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<v Speaker 1>and Ripley who always refers to his wife's aging dog,

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<v Speaker 1>Bella as the damn dog. Some people are like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, but not me and Chris to two

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<v Speaker 1>point zero. It was such a shock because, as I said,

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<v Speaker 1>Brooksy or Garth Brooks his official name, that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>named him when we got him from the animal shelter,

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<v Speaker 1>Garth Brooks was just his own unique being. And we

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<v Speaker 1>all are as God's creations. We're all individual creations. No

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<v Speaker 1>two are exactly alike, but Brooksy was very special. Finally

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<v Speaker 1>getting over the fog of the grief. It just happened

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<v Speaker 1>this past Friday, And thank you to everyone who heard

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<v Speaker 1>me in real time as I'm finding out about this

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<v Speaker 1>and totally losing it on the air the last part

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<v Speaker 1>of Scott's Loan Show last Friday. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for the officer of support and prayers and condolences for

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<v Speaker 1>what was for us a great loss. God has a plan,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't always know what that is, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that Brooksy will help us, along with God's help, to

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<v Speaker 1>pick out another little furry beast to bring home and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I can train him to be just like the

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<v Speaker 1>cat dog. Maybe not, but Brooksy is one of a

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<v Speaker 1>kind and he's now joined our other deceased cat friend, Hobbes,

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<v Speaker 1>who Christa had for fifteen years, in the sideyard, resting comfortably.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope and pray. But if you're a pet person,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a cat person, if you're a dog person,

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<v Speaker 1>Brooksy was a little bit of both, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to miss him so much. With that said, on with

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<v Speaker 1>the show. It's the Nightcap and it's President's Day. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Jeff Walker, seven hundred WLW Whitson, who was sacrificing

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<v Speaker 1>a few minutes of his vacation at Cumberland, which I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine is kind of soggy to talk with us about

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<v Speaker 1>the Saturday Night Live fifty anniversary special last night, which

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<v Speaker 1>I also watched and also mainly enjoyed. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>little annoyed with some of the stuff, but overall it

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<v Speaker 1>was a very good presentation. I thought of blending all

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<v Speaker 1>of the heritage and the wonderfulness of the early days

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<v Speaker 1>of Saturday Night Live and through the years with the

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<v Speaker 1>new cast and reintroducing some of the stars that we

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<v Speaker 1>remember from years past on Saturday Night Live, the television show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not been one of my favorite shows for probably

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen twenty years, but in the beginning in nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>many people my age really glommed onto it as a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a mainstay of comedy on TV, something that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there before Saturday Night Live, before SNL, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice to see a lot of those people brought back.

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<v Speaker 1>But Rick was watching two and I guess caught up

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<v Speaker 1>with some DVR stuff today that he'd missed last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the entire thing that was almost three and

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<v Speaker 1>a half hours. But it's it's hard for me to

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<v Speaker 1>sit and look at anything for three and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 1>But I didn't have really much of a choice because

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<v Speaker 1>my brain was locked in on watching this special Rick Robinson,

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon or good evening, and tell me how are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing right now? Are you at Cumberland? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>out of the flood zone.

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<v Speaker 2>I am out of the flood zone, but I am

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<v Speaker 2>looking out.

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<v Speaker 3>At a river that is telling me it does not

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<v Speaker 3>want to be fished.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, a little cold, little blown out. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be doing a little bit of work around

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<v Speaker 2>the property here for my brother in law and then

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<v Speaker 2>go on to that. Hey, last night, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you last night. They had me from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because when they had.

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<v Speaker 2>The Old and the New singing Homeward Bound. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that was such a part of the early show. The music,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, on the on the first couple of episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>it was more music than it was comedy and sketches.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I remember, they went out and did these things.

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<v Speaker 4>They did all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for Paul Simon to come in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>death in one to hear can barely hear out of

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<v Speaker 2>the other come in with a new performer. It brought

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<v Speaker 2>tears to my eyes, Garry Jeff It really did. Their

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<v Speaker 2>version of Homework Bound, you know, was just a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of such grace, such beauty Simon, Paul Simon looking.

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<v Speaker 3>Over at her knowing that he couldn't hit her notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Anymore, and her coming back down in the sound instead

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<v Speaker 2>of going up.

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<v Speaker 4>It was. It was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>It was one of the best productions of that song

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Sabrina Carpenter with Paul Simon was a perfect marriage. And

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<v Speaker 1>you can see why she was so lauded at the

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<v Speaker 1>just completed Grammy Awards. And I'll tell you something else,

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<v Speaker 1>another musical performance that it's something I normally would not

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy because I don't like hip hop rap. I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 1>Lil Wayne and the Roots. And it was because it

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me so much of the avant garde and the

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<v Speaker 1>different kind of musical acts that Saturday Night Live would

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<v Speaker 1>feature over the years, from Patty smythe to you name it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you got to remember back in the early days,

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<v Speaker 2>they brought on people like the POGs. They brought on

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<v Speaker 2>people like Elvis Costello when nobody knew who the hell

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<v Speaker 2>Elvis Costello was, right, I agree, So it was just

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<v Speaker 2>this coming back and listening to that, and again I

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<v Speaker 2>think the opening song and the opening monologue they had me.

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<v Speaker 2>They had me for the three and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Well actually you didn't because I got tired of went.

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<v Speaker 4>To bed, but I caught it up today. So on

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<v Speaker 4>the rest of them.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I would have done as a

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<v Speaker 2>writer was at the end. If you remember when we

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<v Speaker 2>were first watching Saturday Night, they offered for reunion a

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<v Speaker 2>couple thousand bucks.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the Beatles would reunite on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>How mariem would it have been that the last song

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<v Speaker 2>when Paul McCartney finished, Lauren michaels, you know if you

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<v Speaker 2>would have had Ringo on drubms and Lauren came up

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<v Speaker 2>and gave him the check.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh fifty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was a million dollars. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, uh for all for I thought it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a million bucks. Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I thought it was a nominal number.

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<v Speaker 2>And the line was you could make your own decision

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not.

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<v Speaker 4>You share any with Ringo that's up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that part that was nineteen seventy six, that

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<v Speaker 1>that offering was.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy six, That was, you know, and it was it

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<v Speaker 2>was a time frame for me when I would schedule

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<v Speaker 2>my Saturday nights based upon when I could be home

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<v Speaker 2>at mom and Dad's department sitting down watching Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was a rich woe for me, absolute

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<v Speaker 2>rich one. So that last night was such a wonderful time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know the.

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<v Speaker 2>Parts that you didn't like, But here's what happened in

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<v Speaker 2>last night that hasn't happened in years. Was that I

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<v Speaker 2>think they poked fun it's funny and not pokes on

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<v Speaker 2>at taking Marty short off by ice and say.

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<v Speaker 4>That he was going to be sent back to Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, brilliant, I thought that was I thought that was

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<v Speaker 2>a brilliant piece of writing.

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<v Speaker 2>And to think Murphy was a vast cast Vanburg last.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. And I liked the almost Broadway type homage

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<v Speaker 1>I love that that piece was brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>That's John Mullaney's that's John mullaney strong point. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that was again just something that was over

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<v Speaker 2>I could have watched the whole thing without the skits,

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<v Speaker 2>because I wasn't. Last Night to me wasn't about whatever

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<v Speaker 1>And they could have done it differently in other reunion

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<v Speaker 2>Was in such a good place to put it in

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<v Speaker 4>It was fun. You know. I ended up being going

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<v Speaker 2>We had just moved back from Washington and practicing law

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<v Speaker 2>Night at Vegas Supper Club. It's probably before your time

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<v Speaker 4>It's different than Beverly. This is out in their lanker.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, this was out in their linger and

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<v Speaker 2>a night of comedy and at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>night they were going to give away two tickets to Saturday.

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<v Speaker 4>Night Live, all expense paid up in back room, everything,

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we go out there to see this and we

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<v Speaker 4>With a loud voice, why don't you come up and

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<v Speaker 4>pick a name out? I pull a name out of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hat, and the guy goes, Ladies and gentlemen for the

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<v Speaker 2>trip to New York City, all expensive day, where's Rick Robinson?

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<v Speaker 4>I pulled my own DM name out of the hat?

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<v Speaker 5>Saras.

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<v Speaker 2>So we go to Saturday. We go to Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 2>We uh David Schwimmer was the guest host. Natalie Merchant

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<v Speaker 4>The musical guest, and we had to go.

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<v Speaker 2>They bring us upstairs before all the crowd comes up,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had to go to Lauren Michael's office to

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<v Speaker 2>Central thing. We go into Lauren Michael's office and I

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<v Speaker 4>She's like, what are you gonna do.

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<v Speaker 4>He accepted the charges.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so I could take somebody and show him his

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<v Speaker 4>That's so stupid. I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>So I walk outside and there's the interesting part about

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<v Speaker 4>They have.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a long rehearsal right before they come on air.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a long rehearsal and if you don't get

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<v Speaker 4>Well, now, the funny thing is we.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk out of there because where people are running in

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<v Speaker 2>and for Worth and doing all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Cut off jeeps and flip floss again. Gets hot, gets

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<v Speaker 2>hot in the studio right, but he's running around and

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<v Speaker 2>screaming what was the score of the game? And I

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<v Speaker 2>forget what it was, but it was it was whether

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<v Speaker 4>But it had to do with tomahawk chop.

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<v Speaker 2>Bleeper, you know, you know, and you didn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>Order to be here. It's a great story. You got

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<v Speaker 1>so many of them, Rick Robinson, thank you for sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I felt like we were probably having

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<v Speaker 1>some of the same reactions to the bits last night

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<v Speaker 1>on the SNL fiftieth anniversary. It was worth watching, It

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<v Speaker 1>really was, and worth TV are worth watching. But thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, and enjoy the rest of your week

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<v Speaker 1>at Cumberland. Don't get rained out, brother, all right, thanks man,

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<v Speaker 1>you got it. Peter Bronson on President's Day, next news,

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<v Speaker 1>It is President's Day and we're up to number forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven on the list here as far as United States

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<v Speaker 1>presidents since seventeen eighty three, Yeah, was the first president elected,

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<v Speaker 1>the father of our country, George Washington. And to chat

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<v Speaker 1>about this with my favorite historian, Peter Bronson as well

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<v Speaker 1>as my good friend to talk for the next half

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<v Speaker 1>hour about president's and their connections to Ohio and Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we could call it specifically presidents in our past,

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<v Speaker 7>presidents in our past, or maybe even in our future. Really,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we do have a Cincinnatian who is now

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<v Speaker 7>in the White House as VP. That could be the

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<v Speaker 7>next president.

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<v Speaker 1>No question. JD. Van event could be the man in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight you never know, very possible, or even Ditten

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<v Speaker 1>farther down the road, you got to consider him the

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<v Speaker 1>front runner right now. What what what is it about

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<v Speaker 1>the state of Ohio specifically and since is it because

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the middle of the country. Is it because

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<v Speaker 1>it was the frontier as our country was expanding? What

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<v Speaker 7>All of the above, plus seat of power in the

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<v Speaker 7>federal government, plus the fact that Cincinnati or Cincinnati and Ohio,

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<v Speaker 7>Ohio has always been the swing state. So you never

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<v Speaker 7>until the year two thousand when Biden won with that

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<v Speaker 7>amazing seventy six million or whatever reclaimed he had, nobody

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<v Speaker 7>had won the presidency without Ohio that I can recall.

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<v Speaker 7>In so you had to win Ohio. So it was

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<v Speaker 7>always good to have somebody from Ohio on your ticket.

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<v Speaker 7>But also if you go way back then you have

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<v Speaker 7>Cincinnati in the eighteen sixties was the sixth biggest city

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<v Speaker 7>in the country, and it was the place where everything

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<v Speaker 1>Well because as commerce was expanding and the country was expanding.

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<v Speaker 1>It's right here on the river.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a major dropping off, a jumping off point from.

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<v Speaker 7>We were the Chicago of the Midwest in those days. Yeah, right, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm looking at the names. Peter compiled a list for me.

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<v Speaker 7>He's doing my research for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make sure you get a percentage of the whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is, the pittance that they pay. Let's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>work backwards through this list of presidents in our past.

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<v Speaker 1>And since Sheri and you mentioned JD. Vance, Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, there are a couple that are interesting. One

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<v Speaker 7>he was a very close friend of the publisher The

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<v Speaker 7>Inquirer at the time, so he made many visits to

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<v Speaker 7>the city of Cincinnati. But also in my research for

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<v Speaker 7>my book called Not in Our Town, the Battle against

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<v Speaker 7>Larry Flint, the fight that Cincinnati waged for decency, when

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<v Speaker 7>Cincinnati was on the front of that battle and all

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<v Speaker 7>the other cities were afraid of being looking to prudy

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<v Speaker 7>sh if they fought Larry Flint and his ilk.

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<v Speaker 1>Mainly the mob it was. It was Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 7>If you recall the Mease Commission that was so hated

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<v Speaker 7>by the left in the media or I repeat myself.

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<v Speaker 1>The memmission.

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<v Speaker 7>Was the first that really laid out the facts for

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<v Speaker 7>all mob stuff, and it is not a victimist victimless crime.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ever take a look. I have apy of

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<v Speaker 1>it for my research.

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<v Speaker 7>The examples that he brought forward of horrible human lives

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<v Speaker 7>damaged by the porn industry were shocking. And the people

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<v Speaker 7>that served on that commission, including Charlie Keating from Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on it.

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<v Speaker 7>He was one of the people who led that battle.

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<v Speaker 7>So we had Cincinnati had a real dog in that fight.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, LBJ. You always do you think about Texas

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<v Speaker 1>with LBJ, But the Cincinnati connection.

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<v Speaker 7>The Cincinnati connection is a little bit more remote, but

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<v Speaker 7>still good. I ran across that one in my research

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<v Speaker 7>for the book called Forbidden Fruit since Cities Underworld and

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<v Speaker 7>the supper Club inferno, which was that after the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 7>after JFK was shot and LBJ took over, and that

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<v Speaker 7>whole assassination thing has roots that are verifiable. You can

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<v Speaker 7>connect the dots right back to the battle in Newport

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<v Speaker 7>when Bobby Kennedy came to town and cleaned up Newport.

431
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<v Speaker 7>The Mob declared a vendetta on the Kennedys, and from

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<v Speaker 7>there on they began talking about killing him. And one

433
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<v Speaker 7>of the reasons they wanted to kill him was because

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<v Speaker 7>he'd been fighting so big against Jimmy Hoffe.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so you take that from Newport forward. The first thing.

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<v Speaker 7>LBJ did was he totally got rid of Bobby Kennedy

437
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<v Speaker 7>and as Attorney General, which was doing the mob's bidding.

438
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<v Speaker 7>And he also became declared Jugar Hoover.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Who was about to be fired.

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<v Speaker 7>He declared j Edgar Hoover the FBI director for life.

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<v Speaker 7>Because LBJ had a lot of skeletons in his closet

442
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<v Speaker 7>and j Edgar Hoover, the director of the FBI, knew

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<v Speaker 7>where they all were.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that LBJ has some skeletons in his closet

445
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<v Speaker 1>that haven't been revealed yet. Yeah, I do too. Speaking

446
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<v Speaker 1>of which, JFK's connections.

447
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<v Speaker 7>JFK's connections, he came through Newport when Newport was still

448
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<v Speaker 7>wild and controlled by the Mob in nineteen fifteen. He

449
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<v Speaker 7>came through here sitting in the back of an open car,

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<v Speaker 7>and there's a picture of him, a sort of locally

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<v Speaker 7>famous picture and that's one of the last pictures you'll

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<v Speaker 7>ever see of a president sitting in the president sitting

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<v Speaker 7>in the back of an open car.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was common campaign tactics. Then, well, there's obvious

455
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<v Speaker 1>things about Warren G. Harding. He was from Ohio, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And and William Howard Taft.

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<v Speaker 7>And another little item about Warrang G. Hiding Harding, the

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<v Speaker 7>hit man for the mob in Newport, I by the

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<v Speaker 7>name of Red Masterson, claimed to have killed more than

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<v Speaker 7>one hundred people by himself, and he also liked to

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<v Speaker 7>talk about his connections all the way to the Harding

462
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<v Speaker 7>White House. Harding's personal secretary came from Kentucky and when

463
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<v Speaker 7>it was a close friend of Red Masterson. And Red

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<v Speaker 7>Masterson is mobbed up as you can get. So we're

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<v Speaker 7>looking at mob connections from Newport to the White House.

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<v Speaker 1>One term president and Supreme Court Justice William Howard Taft.

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<v Speaker 7>Not much there about except being from Cincinnati and being

468
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<v Speaker 7>the most corpulent president. Set a new standard for obesity

469
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<v Speaker 7>in the White House, and we did huge James Garfield.

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<v Speaker 7>James Garfield, you know, he has a statue in Piat

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<v Speaker 7>Park here in Cincinnati, and it's a neat statue. He

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<v Speaker 7>was interesting and I ran across him in my research

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<v Speaker 7>for The Man who Saved Cincinnati because when Lou Wallace,

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<v Speaker 7>who is the man who Saved Cincinnati right, wrote Ben

475
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<v Speaker 7>hur James Garfield read it and was so thrilled that

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<v Speaker 7>he wrote a complimentary letter to Lou Wallace and said,

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<v Speaker 7>I would like to send you as my ambassador to

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<v Speaker 7>Turkey so that you will get more fodder for another book.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Rutherford B. Hayes. Now the reason I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have a connection with Rutherford B. Hayes and one of

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<v Speaker 1>Kristin my trips up north asphalt therapy, we went and

482
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<v Speaker 1>visited the Rutherford B. Hayes House oh neat in Fremont,

483
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<v Speaker 1>oh Great Ohio, and it was just a grand house.

484
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<v Speaker 1>Rutherford B. Hayes said, in this house, if you've ever

485
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<v Speaker 1>seen it, has this massive front porch. And he always

486
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<v Speaker 1>said when he built, before he built a house, he said,

487
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<v Speaker 1>I want a big porch with a house behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool and very very regal, very cool. But anyway,

489
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<v Speaker 1>probably one of our more intelligent and literate and cultured presidents.

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<v Speaker 7>He was a member of the Cincinnati Literary Club back

491
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<v Speaker 7>when that was the place. One of the places that

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<v Speaker 7>supplied an incredible number of Civil War generals and officers.

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<v Speaker 7>And he was quite distinguished and recognized for his service

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<v Speaker 7>in the Civil War. And also was the man who

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<v Speaker 7>sent lou Wallace to go settle the Range War in

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<v Speaker 7>New Mexico and appointed him as governor of the territory

497
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<v Speaker 7>out there.

498
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<v Speaker 1>And another tie to one of Peter's books, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you know ulysses as Grant? Born in Point Pleasant? Obviously

500
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<v Speaker 1>I've been to the birthplace many times, going down a

501
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<v Speaker 1>great little trip to visit friends in Ripley, you know

502
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<v Speaker 1>a way. So what about Ulysses as anything else? Ulysses

503
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<v Speaker 1>as Grant?

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<v Speaker 7>Besides that, he once raced horses on the streets of

505
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<v Speaker 7>Cincinnati against my man lou Wallace, and Grant's horse was

506
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 7>named Cincinnati, Oh cool. And lou Wallace's horse was named

507
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<v Speaker 7>Old John. Now you'd think you know Cincinnati Old John.

508
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<v Speaker 1>Guess what? Lou Wallace won that race? How about that?

509
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<v Speaker 7>And and us Grant, outside of being one of our

510
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<v Speaker 7>great presidents and fantastic Civil War generals, he was his

511
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<v Speaker 7>life is intertwined with that of lou Wallace in a

512
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<v Speaker 7>lot of ways that are very fascinating Abraham Lincoln.

513
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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln it, as you know, one of the great

514
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<v Speaker 1>presidents in our country's history, even though he pretty much

515
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>dismantled the US Constitution's Bill of Rights during the Civil War.

516
00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:21.880
<v Speaker 7>During the Civil War he suspended the rights of habeas corpus,

517
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<v Speaker 7>and just about anything else.

518
00:29:23.279 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>But his connections to Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 7>His one of his most interesting connections is that he

520
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 7>was nearly assassinated in Cincinnati on his way to his

521
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 7>own inauguration in eighteen sixty. Now, if that had happened

522
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.039
<v Speaker 7>thanks to the sharp eyes of a local police detective

523
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 7>or one of his secret service members, we're not sure which.

524
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<v Speaker 7>They spotted a satchel on his train after he got

525
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<v Speaker 7>off to give speeches in Cincinnati. Somebody had placed a

526
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<v Speaker 7>bomb in his train car that was of sufficient power

527
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 7>that it would have blown the entire car off the

528
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 7>wheels and he would have been completely obliterated. If this

529
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<v Speaker 7>had happened in eighteen sixty, think of what different course

530
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<v Speaker 7>our nation would have taken. We probably would be two

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<v Speaker 7>countries today.

532
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we might not be a United Nation or United States.

533
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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic story, really really interesting. James Buchanan, who was looked

534
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<v Speaker 1>upon as not a great president, No, but has Cincinnati connection.

535
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<v Speaker 1>I'd say one of the worst.

536
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<v Speaker 7>And if you take James Buchanan's resume and put it

537
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.880
<v Speaker 7>alongside Joe Biden's resume, you're going to see so much similarity.

538
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.440
<v Speaker 7>A caretaker, a political hack. He never had a job

539
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<v Speaker 7>in the private sector. He was reviled. He had the

540
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<v Speaker 7>lowest approval rating you could possibly have as a president

541
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<v Speaker 7>when he left.

542
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<v Speaker 1>If there was such a thing then.

543
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 7>And for the first three years of the Civil War,

544
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<v Speaker 7>it was known as not the War between the States,

545
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<v Speaker 7>not the Civil War. It was known as Buchanan's war

546
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.039
<v Speaker 7>because he was so inept and he failed to do

547
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<v Speaker 7>anything to head it off.

548
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<v Speaker 1>Zachary Taylor is on this list. Zachary Taylor obviously a

549
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<v Speaker 1>very very short term in office eighteen forty nine to

550
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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty. Yes, tell me about Zachary Taylor and his connection.

551
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<v Speaker 7>He was an army guy, a very effective and tough

552
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<v Speaker 7>army general.

553
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:18.559
<v Speaker 1>He was known in the army as old, rough and ready.

554
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<v Speaker 7>And he was the guy who went down and prosecuted

555
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.039
<v Speaker 7>the war against Mexico and won it, and took the

556
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 7>battle all the way to Chipoultpec and Mexico City. And

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<v Speaker 7>what he did also in those early years. He's the

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<v Speaker 7>one who kind of laid the framework for all the

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00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 7>people that fought in the Civil War on both sides,

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<v Speaker 7>including lou Wallace.

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<v Speaker 1>Again you'll hear his name a lot here. Is that

562
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<v Speaker 1>they fought.

563
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<v Speaker 7>Under him and they learned the art of war through

564
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<v Speaker 7>watching old rough and.

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<v Speaker 1>Ready, how about that James K.

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<v Speaker 5>Polk.

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<v Speaker 7>He was very interesting because he actually, if you want

568
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<v Speaker 7>to take a look at history from Tennessee, wasn't he Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 7>And so if you'd go back and look at the

571
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<v Speaker 7>Gulf of Tonkin incident, remember when Johnson staged this incident

572
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<v Speaker 7>to try and build up the war in Vietnam and

573
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:13.720
<v Speaker 7>build up more public support. That's exactly what Polk did

574
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:17.559
<v Speaker 7>to fight the war against Mexico. He wanted to expand

575
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<v Speaker 7>our border and he wanted to take back all that

576
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<v Speaker 7>land that Mexico had in the west, including New Mexico

577
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<v Speaker 7>and Arizona. And he actually instigated a border incident by

578
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<v Speaker 7>sending down a bunch of adventurers to take that land

579
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<v Speaker 7>and pick a fight with the Mexican government, and that

580
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<v Speaker 7>led to the War of the Mexican American War, and

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<v Speaker 7>we won all that territory thanks to James K.

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<v Speaker 5>Polk.

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<v Speaker 1>William Henry Harrison, who I think was president for what

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<v Speaker 1>thirty days?

585
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, were so one of the shortest presidents he's on record.

586
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<v Speaker 1>He got a cold from his inauguration. It was a cold,

587
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<v Speaker 1>wet day, you know, when Donald Trump they finally decided

588
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<v Speaker 1>to have the inauguration indoors. Yeah, you know, just and

589
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't the coldest inauguration ever, and many of them

590
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 1>have been held outdoors. But when they made that decision,

591
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<v Speaker 1>and it was a controversial decision because so many people

592
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<v Speaker 1>wanted to attend Trump's inauguration this time but were unable to.

593
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<v Speaker 1>And they'd already made plans and spent a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>money and gotten off work to go to Washington, d C.

595
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<v Speaker 3>To do that.

596
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<v Speaker 1>And I said at the time on the air, I said, well,

597
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<v Speaker 1>remember what happened to William Henry Harrison. You know what

598
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<v Speaker 1>that happening to Donald Trump or anybody else who goes

599
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<v Speaker 1>He got a cold, he died. I think twenty three or.

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<v Speaker 7>Thirty days, the shortest presidency one month on record. I

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<v Speaker 7>think William Henry Harrison is very important to Ohio and

602
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<v Speaker 7>Cincinnati because he fought with mad Anthony Wayne, And in fact,

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<v Speaker 7>you can see him in the famous painting of the

604
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<v Speaker 7>Treaty of Greenville, when Mad Anthony Wayne defeated the Indian

605
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<v Speaker 7>Federation in made Ohio safe for settlement. William Henry Harrison

606
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<v Speaker 7>is standing there with his commander, Matt Anthony Wayne. Any

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<v Speaker 7>other thoughts on w h H just that sort of

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<v Speaker 7>such a sad short presidency and a courageous guy who Yeah, how.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you rate somebody like that? They never got a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to enact policy or pursue an agenda. No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the in reference point, who was the president

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<v Speaker 1>after Harrison? Who took his Do you remember.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's say it would have been right at would have

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<v Speaker 7>been the vice president?

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't remember who that is. It's right before Polk,

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<v Speaker 1>right right, And we mentioned that Pope was a rather

617
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<v Speaker 1>provocative character ye war with Mexico, and yeah, well you

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<v Speaker 1>know Polk.

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<v Speaker 7>If we if we look at the next one on

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<v Speaker 7>the list is Andrew Jackson. Very shortident, a great president's

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<v Speaker 7>and one of my favorites. But a very short anecdote

622
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<v Speaker 7>about him that connects him to our region is that

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<v Speaker 7>the first frontiersman around here, along with Daniel Boone, was

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<v Speaker 7>Simon Kenton. And Simon Kenton was an amazing guy. He

625
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<v Speaker 7>was like six foot four. He could run like a deer.

626
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<v Speaker 7>He was had incredible the strength of three men. And

627
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<v Speaker 7>in that time, six foot four is a towery. It's

628
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<v Speaker 7>a giant. Yes, and so was Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson

629
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<v Speaker 7>was a brawler, a fighter. He was a nasty fighter.

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<v Speaker 7>And legend has it that they crossed paths once in

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<v Speaker 7>a little tavern and Simon Kenton whipped the tar out

632
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<v Speaker 7>of Andrew j Yes, no, kitten.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know. My wife is I don't know, one

634
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<v Speaker 1>eighth Cherokee. So whenever I tell her that one of

635
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<v Speaker 1>my favorite presidents is Andrew Jackson, she goes, she just

636
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<v Speaker 1>kind of shakes her head. And a president whose name

637
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<v Speaker 1>is coming up more and more with Donald Trump in office,

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<v Speaker 1>and in fact, we have another guest on this show

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<v Speaker 1>tonight who will talk about the Monroe doctrine and in

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<v Speaker 1>pursuant to Greenland and South America and all of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that has been discussed. Yeah, since Donald Trump, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one back into office. He's a former Green Beret. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>cool James Monroe. Okay, so I won't get into Monroe doctrine.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't want to step on too much of that

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<v Speaker 7>except for a local anecdote, which is really neat. So

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<v Speaker 7>the Monroe doctrine was that we're going to expand our territory,

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<v Speaker 7>and by doing this, one of the effective methods what's

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<v Speaker 7>called filibusters in the eighteen thirties and philibusters will when

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<v Speaker 7>private armies, some guy like you or me with a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of money would raise an army and go down

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<v Speaker 7>to the border and just take sides in a maybe

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<v Speaker 7>in a civil war in Mexico or in Bolivia or

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<v Speaker 7>in the Central and all those mercenaries today we do,

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<v Speaker 7>but in those days they filibusters, and the notion was

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<v Speaker 7>that if things got bad, we could always send you

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<v Speaker 7>US army in there to back them up, and then

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<v Speaker 7>we could claim that territory or make some kind of

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<v Speaker 7>deal with the new government. So what happened is because

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<v Speaker 7>of the Monroe doctrine, that was one of the things

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<v Speaker 7>that encouraged Texas to fight back against the government of

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<v Speaker 7>Government of Mexico and declare its independence as a state.

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<v Speaker 7>And that led to the battle between Texas that actually

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<v Speaker 7>won independence against Santa Anna, which was decided at the

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<v Speaker 7>Battle of San Jacinto, and that pivotal battle was only

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<v Speaker 7>one thanks to Cincinnati, because Cincinnati forged two cannons that

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<v Speaker 7>became known as the Twin Sisters yep and sent them

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<v Speaker 7>down to the Texans and they put those in the

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<v Speaker 7>middle of their line in surprise the daylights out of

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<v Speaker 7>Santa Anna, who didn't know the Texans had any cannons

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<v Speaker 7>because before that they didn't, and they blew the Mexican

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<v Speaker 7>An army apart. They won that battle thanks primarily to Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 7>and for about fifty years afterwards, on the anniversaries of

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<v Speaker 7>Texas independence, they would send thank you letters to Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's all connected to James Monroe.

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<v Speaker 7>And it all goes back to the Monroe doctrine. If

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<v Speaker 7>you take a look at the map of the amount

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<v Speaker 7>of territory that was finally won in the Mexican American

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<v Speaker 7>War a decade later to back up what happened in Texas,

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<v Speaker 7>because Santa Ana was nursing a grudge and he didn't

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<v Speaker 7>really recognize Texas and independence.

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<v Speaker 1>But you'd take a look at that territory.

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<v Speaker 7>Almost half of our country was made possible by Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 7>and those canons at San Jacinto.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Well, we're up to number one, and he's number

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<v Speaker 1>one on most historians lists. When it comes to presidents,

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<v Speaker 1>the first is the greatest, at least so far. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite president. It's interesting to hear people compare other

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<v Speaker 1>presidents to this guy, because, I mean, how do you

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<v Speaker 1>how do you even I mean people who've compared Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump with being a George Washington like character. But to

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<v Speaker 1>compare any president with the first and the first real

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<v Speaker 1>leader of this country who did not believe in partisan

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<v Speaker 1>politics whatsoever. What are George Washington's connections to Cincinnati, Pete,

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<v Speaker 1>There are two or three.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's start with the fact that he surveyed most of

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<v Speaker 7>this area that we now know as the Northwest Territory.

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<v Speaker 7>He was one of the first. Back in those days,

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<v Speaker 7>in the seventeen eighties, a surveyor was an adventure. It

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<v Speaker 7>was one of the coolest things you could do. You

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<v Speaker 7>were going out in the wilderness and you were mapping

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<v Speaker 7>territory and claiming it for the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he.

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<v Speaker 7>Surveyed these territories before the Revolutionary War. He fought the

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<v Speaker 7>Revolutionary War, but afterwards he was in this really tight situation,

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<v Speaker 7>which is that the British really nursed a grudge about

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<v Speaker 7>losing to these upstart colonies, and they're sitting in Canada

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<v Speaker 7>and they do not want to see these colonies expand

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<v Speaker 7>past the Alleghanies, because that's going to be Canadian land.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all of.

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<v Speaker 7>Ohio, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, all of the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what did they do.

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<v Speaker 7>They used as their proxy army, mainly the Miami and

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<v Speaker 7>the Shawnee and the Indian Confederation, and they paid them

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<v Speaker 7>fifty dollars for scalps and one hundred dollars for live

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<v Speaker 7>hostages to go terrorize these new settlers in this land

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<v Speaker 7>called Ohio and discouraged them.

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<v Speaker 1>From moving west.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Washington saw this and he basically pushed all his

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<v Speaker 7>chips onto the table with Congress and he said, I

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<v Speaker 7>need an army. Well, Congress didn't want an army because

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<v Speaker 7>that's why they fought the Revolutionary War. They didn't want

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<v Speaker 7>a standing army. Washington gambled all of his political capital.

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<v Speaker 7>He finally got an army, and after two disasters and

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<v Speaker 7>massacres of his troops that were sent out to defeat

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<v Speaker 7>the Indian Confederation, he finally got a real army that

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<v Speaker 7>was commanded by mad Anthony Wayne. And that's the army

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<v Speaker 7>that defeated the Indian Confederation at the Battle of Fallen

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<v Speaker 7>Timbers and won all of this Northwest territory. One more story,

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<v Speaker 7>real quickly, Yes, George Washington. What do you got, George Washington? Well,

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<v Speaker 7>he was an amazing guy. What he did at Valley

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<v Speaker 7>Forge is it's like and the way he came back

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<v Speaker 7>from that, from complete defeat, demoralization, his troops leaving in droves,

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<v Speaker 7>they had reached the end of their enlistments. They no

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<v Speaker 7>longer could be paid. Just and to recognize in somebody

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<v Speaker 7>like Anthony Wayne, who was in peacetime.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a scoundrel of failure.

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<v Speaker 7>He'd been kicked out of Congress for voter fraud.

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<v Speaker 1>He was made for one thing, winning war.

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<v Speaker 7>And when he nominated him after he finally gets this

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<v Speaker 7>army and he tells Congress the guy I'm going to

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<v Speaker 7>send it men, it is Anthony Wayne.

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<v Speaker 1>They blew their top, but he said, that's my guide.

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<v Speaker 1>He was right. Peter Bronson, thank you, this has been magical.

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<v Speaker 1>We could have done this for the three hours. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been fun. I love these stories. They're just great.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Bronson The latest book is The Man Who Saves Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, it's promised Lane, that's right, Promise Lane, Promise Midwest. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>the Midwest was one, and you'll find the stories about

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<v Speaker 7>Washington and Anthony Wayne. And check out Chili Dog Press

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<v Speaker 7>if you're interested in Pete's books.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're available everywhere, Yes, everywhere, books are sold. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Gary Jets. You've got it tonight at any time.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't have to occur on a Monday or a

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<v Speaker 1>President's Day, but it happens in the current day which

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<v Speaker 1>we are living in, and that is the world of

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<v Speaker 1>internet things, and it accelerates exponentially, it seems like every day.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe the conversation we are having tonight will be

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<v Speaker 1>obsolete in another week. Who knows, but to join us

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<v Speaker 1>for that a man who's dubbed himself Doomed Day Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm giving him more credit than being Doomsday Dave

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<v Speaker 1>or Debbie Downer as he sometimes liked to say, when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to things that you should watch out for

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<v Speaker 1>in the cyber world. Dave is with Interest and they're

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic company, and he's been working in computer programming

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<v Speaker 1>and writing code for years and years and years and

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<v Speaker 1>follows all of the latest stories for US and for

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<v Speaker 1>several other outlets around town. He's a multi media superstar

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the world of it. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>laughing right now at this wonderful, magnanimous introduction that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>giving him. Dave Hatter, Welcome to the show again.

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<v Speaker 5>Always my pleasure to be on, Garry Jeff. And I

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<v Speaker 5>got to say that that was quite the intro. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know that I deserve it, but I much appreciate

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<v Speaker 5>that was excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just talking to somebody yesterday, Dave, about all

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<v Speaker 1>of the apps that come with phones, iPhones or Android

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<v Speaker 1>phones and the ones that you know, put on your

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<v Speaker 1>phone so you can get the latest gadget, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>having a discussion of what to delete and what to

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<v Speaker 1>not delete, and what they won't let you delete in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases. But this story caught my eye immediately just

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<v Speaker 1>because it reminded me of that recent conversation that I

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<v Speaker 1>had a day or two ago with somebody about apps

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<v Speaker 1>and what to delete if it's time to delete them,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that. And you've got a story about that,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Jerry Jeff.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, first off, I just want to remind us

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<v Speaker 5>we're currently in this surveillance capitalism age where these apps

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<v Speaker 5>are quote free quote because you are the product, not

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<v Speaker 5>the customer.

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<v Speaker 3>You're paying with your data and not your money, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Well that's not necessarily nefarious. Folks need to understand that

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<v Speaker 5>trade off, and I don't think they do. That's one

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<v Speaker 5>of my issues with this. Most people can't really give

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<v Speaker 5>informed consent because they don't understand how much data these

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<v Speaker 5>apps collect, who they're sharing it with. And when you

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<v Speaker 5>try to read the privacy policy, as I'm sure you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's about eighty pages of legal mumbo jumbo. That's, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>completely incomprehensible. So that's that's where I get frustrated with

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<v Speaker 5>all of these apps out there. And you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>be the first to tell you. On my Apple phone,

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<v Speaker 5>I have maybe five apps that were not installed on

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<v Speaker 5>the phone when I got it, and all of them

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<v Speaker 5>are work related. There are all things I use, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to my day to day job to communicate with people

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<v Speaker 5>in such things like Microsoft Teams, Microsoft out of LinkedIn,

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<v Speaker 5>et cetera. So PC Magazine put together this expo today,

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<v Speaker 5>it's really not at all surprising to me to see

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<v Speaker 5>the companies and the apps that show up on this list.

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<v Speaker 5>I encourage people to check it out. I will post

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<v Speaker 5>it to all my social media x, Facebook, LinkedIn, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know people still in it. Dave, you're about

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<v Speaker 5>to say, don't use these apps. I don't use the

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<v Speaker 5>Facebook app. You know I have minimal apps. So yes,

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<v Speaker 5>I use various social media sites. Give Jeff, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>promote our business, and trust to promote the city if

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<v Speaker 5>we're right to promote things I'm doing like talking to

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<v Speaker 5>you today, But I have you know I'm mostly using

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<v Speaker 5>a very privacy friendly browser either Braver, Firefox on a

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<v Speaker 5>full bloom PC where I can control the information that's

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<v Speaker 5>being shared with these things. And one last point before

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<v Speaker 5>I hit some of the ones on this list, again,

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<v Speaker 5>it's the same as angers you and I have been

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<v Speaker 5>talking about for years. I would remind folks that again

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<v Speaker 5>anytime you can use if you want to use a platform,

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<v Speaker 5>pick anything Amazon, Facebook, Google, Search, whatever. While those are

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<v Speaker 5>all very privacy unfriendly companies, as you'll see if you

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<v Speaker 5>look at this full blown list, which again i'll link to,

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<v Speaker 5>people can.

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<v Speaker 3>Go find it on their own.

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<v Speaker 5>You're always better off to use them over the web

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<v Speaker 5>and a privacy friendly browser rather than install their app.

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<v Speaker 5>And then secondarily again understand that trade off you're making.

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<v Speaker 5>And I encourage people to take a look go to

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<v Speaker 5>the Apple app Store and look at the privacy label.

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<v Speaker 5>The Apple requires every manufacturer of software that wants to

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<v Speaker 5>deploy an app, and there's still to put a privacy

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<v Speaker 5>label out there that tells you what they want to collect.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think if most people would take the time

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<v Speaker 5>to look at the kind of information that's being collected,

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of mind blow TikTok in particular super aggressive

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<v Speaker 5>data collection. And I'm sure not a chaker to you

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<v Speaker 5>made this list. I'm amazed it came in only at fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of this list of twenty.

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<v Speaker 5>It starts with Facebook, Messenger and Instagram threads to meta products.

847
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 5>You know again Facebook Meta, you are their product. They

848
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.199
<v Speaker 5>make almost all of their money off of you. And

849
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 5>when you look at this full chart and then we

850
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:34.159
<v Speaker 5>won't have time to get too deep into this. They

851
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 5>have a bunch of different categories. For example, percent of

852
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.159
<v Speaker 5>personal data share with third parties, percent of personal data

853
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 5>collectors for developers, advertising and marketing in various categories like that.

854
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 5>So Facebook and Messenger, and then Instagram and threads all

855
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 5>from meta slash. Facebook sixty eight point six percent comes

856
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 5>in at number one of your personal data is being

857
00:47:54.519 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 5>shared with third parties. Amazon comes in at five point

858
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 5>seven on this list, but they're high on many the

859
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 5>other categories. The LinkedIn app comes in pretty high on

860
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 5>this list.

861
00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 1>And you use linked use LinkedIn?

862
00:48:07.159 --> 00:48:07.320
<v Speaker 3>I do.

863
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 5>I do use the LinkedIn app both in a web browser,

864
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 5>well through a web browser, and an app on my

865
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.719
<v Speaker 5>phone because you know, for me, it's a powerful business tool.

866
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 5>That's the only app I have that is not one

867
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 5>hundred percent work related. Again, something like Microsoft Outlook or

868
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 5>teams installed on this.

869
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Use it did not come on it by default.

870
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Is it the only app that's on this list that's

871
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 1>on your phone?

872
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 5>Dave looking at this list, Gary Jeff, Yes it is,

873
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 5>because of course Google's on here. I don't use anything

874
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.840
<v Speaker 5>from Google. Well and real quick, you know on my

875
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:42.119
<v Speaker 5>LinkedIn blog if you look me up on LinkedIn. I

876
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 5>put together a list of privacy friendly products that I

877
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.360
<v Speaker 5>use in my personal life. Again, there's the business side,

878
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:51.079
<v Speaker 5>the interest stuff that I'm required to use to work,

879
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 5>and interestings like proton Mail, Brave and so forth. You

880
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 5>know that I use for my personal stuff. So if

881
00:48:56.400 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 5>people want to find privacy friendly alternatives to things like

882
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.800
<v Speaker 5>Google Search and Gmail and so forth, I've already put

883
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 5>all that together. It's free. I'm happy to share it.

884
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Look me up on LinkedIn you'll find it. We'd be

885
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.159
<v Speaker 5>in the much better world, Garry Jeff if everyone was

886
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:12.800
<v Speaker 5>concerned about their privacy and not beating all of their

887
00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:16.000
<v Speaker 5>data to these companies that are not helpful to you.

888
00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I hear you. What was number twenty on the list?

889
00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 1>You said there were twenty apps listed on this PC

890
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:27.559
<v Speaker 1>mag list that you should be probably think about deleting

891
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 1>from your phone.

892
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, interesting enough, I mean several tides. There's actually more

893
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.280
<v Speaker 5>than twenty, but they stopped at twenty, and the twenty

894
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.920
<v Speaker 5>at this Roadblox, which is basically, you know, more or

895
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.480
<v Speaker 5>less the game for kids, but you know all the

896
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:43.440
<v Speaker 5>usual offenders. Gmail, everything from Google shows up to him

897
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:48.000
<v Speaker 5>many times. Amazon, you know, Facebook, Slash Meta, Candy Crush.

898
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:49.880
<v Speaker 5>There's a bunch of things on here that it might

899
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 5>be surprising to people if they look Google Maps.

900
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Yai.

901
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Fine, Yeah, we have talked about candy Crush, and you

902
00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:03.400
<v Speaker 1>know people just mindlessly playing candy Crush. I know, grown as.

903
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry for the language. Grown ass men, who's sitting

904
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>there playing candy Crush, and I'm going, what's wrong with you?

905
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.719
<v Speaker 1>But candy Crush is actually a portal that could be

906
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Speaker 1>taking data, personal data, information about you every time you

907
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 1>play right, You're.

908
00:50:21.519 --> 00:50:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Exactly right here, Jase, believe it or not.

909
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.440
<v Speaker 5>The developers that built candy Crush and all the infrastructure

910
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 5>that makes candy Crush work, the servers, the cloud, all

911
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.519
<v Speaker 5>that stuff out there. It costs money, developers and network

912
00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 5>engineers and so forth.

913
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:34.519
<v Speaker 4>They got to eat too.

914
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 5>They have mortgages, They send their kids.

915
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.679
<v Speaker 3>To school, sure that they got to eat.

916
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.039
<v Speaker 5>And the way they do it is through surveillance capitalism.

917
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 5>They're collecting your data. You should look at the privacy

918
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.960
<v Speaker 5>label for candy Crush. Again, it's fairly low on this list,

919
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 5>but you should look at the privacy label and understand

920
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 5>it's collecting all kinds of information off your device. And

921
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, for example, candy Crush eight point six percent

922
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.760
<v Speaker 5>of personal data shared with third parties. Now you don't

923
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:01.760
<v Speaker 5>know what those third parties are. You don't know what

924
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:03.760
<v Speaker 5>they're doing with your data or who they might be

925
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.039
<v Speaker 5>sharing it. Rich so it's not just the vendor and

926
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:10.039
<v Speaker 5>then their third parties, it's the data brokers who then

927
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:11.920
<v Speaker 5>buy it and share it with others, and next thing

928
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.320
<v Speaker 5>you know, information is out there about you.

929
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 3>It's used in.

930
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 5>Ways against you that you couldn't even begin to guess.

931
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 5>And again I'm not saying don't use any of this

932
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 5>stuff ever. Understand the trade off, look at those privacy labels,

933
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:27.079
<v Speaker 5>and then wherever possible, if you really need to use

934
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 5>one of these services, try to use the web based

935
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 5>version if they have one, you will be much better

936
00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 5>off from a privacy standpoint.

937
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Bye. I have Microsoft Outlook on minds. That's the work email.

938
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:41.199
<v Speaker 1>I've got an email that came with the phone that

939
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.440
<v Speaker 1>I've never used. I forgot what my password is even.

940
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 3>You know.

941
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>They got to calendar the photos the camera and I

942
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:51.679
<v Speaker 1>use all of that, the maps which I use, whether notes,

943
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>reminders which I really don't use, the settings that you've

944
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:59.320
<v Speaker 1>got to have my iHeartRadio app, and then there's a

945
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:05.119
<v Speaker 1>podcast that Apple store. I don't know. There's not a

946
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.480
<v Speaker 1>whole lot of junk on mine. I've seen people's phones

947
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's just flat full of the whole screen is

948
00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:13.039
<v Speaker 1>full of apps and then you then you flip the

949
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 1>screen and that that whole screen is full of apps

950
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and you really don't need all those apps.

951
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:21.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure this will come as

952
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 5>a shaker to you, Gary Jeff. But I might be

953
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 5>married to a person that fits that description who does

954
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 5>not listen to me.

955
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>You say you might shock right, So you say you

956
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 1>might be there. Are you sure that the marriage license

957
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:37.519
<v Speaker 1>is good? Or what do you mean by you might

958
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 1>be married to a person?

959
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 5>You know? I would never never want to, you know,

960
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 5>out my wife on the air. Possible, I might be

961
00:52:46.000 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 5>married to a person that has a lot of apps

962
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 5>that I continuously try to convince her to get it.

963
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she lives with you. Apparently you're you're sleeping

964
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:56.360
<v Speaker 1>with the enemy, Dave.

965
00:52:57.639 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm not as persuasive as I need to be, apparently, Jerry.

966
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I tell you what. Let's take a break. We'll

967
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.519
<v Speaker 1>come right back more with Dave Hatter on a Nightcap

968
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:07.920
<v Speaker 1>in just a moment on seven hundred wlw are you

969
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a bit again? We're talking with Dave Hatter on this

970
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Monday evening President's Day, Gary Jeff with you and Dave

971
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:20.119
<v Speaker 1>hatterback with us on seven hundred WLW Dave, there's a

972
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 1>video that you posted from YouTube that shows how criminals

973
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>can very easily and smoothly install credit card skimmers at

974
00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:35.519
<v Speaker 1>a gas pump or wherever there's an open credit cards

975
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.719
<v Speaker 1>and they're everywhere. You know, there there at the speedway,

976
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:42.480
<v Speaker 1>on the counter, they're at department stores. There are all

977
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.159
<v Speaker 1>kinds of which, I mean, that's probably tougher for a

978
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>criminal to install a scammer and inside a you know,

979
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:54.920
<v Speaker 1>security based video surveillance grocery store or department store, I

980
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.119
<v Speaker 1>would imagine, But outside at a gas station, that's usually

981
00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 1>where the card skimmers are found. But it just says

982
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 1>that it's easy for these people to do it without

983
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:10.199
<v Speaker 1>much detection. Tell me about this story, please, sir.

984
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Gary, Jeff.

985
00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 5>This is a real problem, and you know it's These

986
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:16.639
<v Speaker 5>skimmers have shown up if you check the local press

987
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:19.400
<v Speaker 5>many times in the greater Cincinnati region. Now, this this

988
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 5>was video, and I encourage people to watch it. It's

989
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 5>from w x y Z out of Detroit. But they

990
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 5>have video of these scammers coming in and you know

991
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.880
<v Speaker 5>they got an expert on there talking about it. Here's

992
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:35.559
<v Speaker 5>the problem. The skimmers keep getting smaller and in some cases,

993
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 5>they're literally small enough where you can drop it inside

994
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:38.880
<v Speaker 5>the card flock.

995
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 3>Because the old advice has.

996
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 5>Always been, okay before you put your card in it

997
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 5>and your right. Gas stations are the most commonplace for

998
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.719
<v Speaker 5>this because once you're in the store, right, there's generally

999
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 5>a lot of video surveillance. There's people moving around, right.

1000
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 5>But you know, they managed to place these things inside

1001
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:56.760
<v Speaker 5>stores even sometimes you usually they'll distract the clerk work

1002
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 5>in the cash register, maybe they pay in cash, ask

1003
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.480
<v Speaker 5>a bunch of question whatever while they're fumbling with the device.

1004
00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.440
<v Speaker 5>And again, the old school advice has always been look

1005
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:07.960
<v Speaker 5>for anything that looks unusual. And I this is advice

1006
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 5>I share with my family all the time, but I

1007
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 5>do it every time before I put my card in

1008
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 5>any kind of point in sales system, like, I will

1009
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:15.559
<v Speaker 5>feel it.

1010
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:16.559
<v Speaker 3>Does it move around?

1011
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 4>Does it look odd?

1012
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 3>Is it unusual in any way? Right?

1013
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 5>Because if it is, it's possible that it's been tampered with.

1014
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 5>But that alone is not good enough. Again, these things

1015
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.239
<v Speaker 5>now are so small they literally will drop them inside

1016
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 5>the slot. The card reader thing will still work, right,

1017
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.199
<v Speaker 5>but it will also skim your credit card. Usually they

1018
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:36.760
<v Speaker 5>have some kind of WI fi and you know they

1019
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:38.679
<v Speaker 5>can sit out in the parking lot and suck the

1020
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 5>credit card numbers off of there. So this isn't to

1021
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.920
<v Speaker 5>suit people out and say don't ever use a credit card.

1022
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 5>But you know, unfortunately these things still happen reagarly. They're

1023
00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 5>getting harder and harder to detect. And at this point

1024
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.960
<v Speaker 5>you're only real defense other than being really scrupulous. When

1025
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:57.320
<v Speaker 5>you go to put a card in something and again

1026
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.760
<v Speaker 5>check it out, does it look unusual? Does it feel

1027
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.920
<v Speaker 5>tamped with? Is the aperture where the card goes in loose?

1028
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 5>Is really to either use cash or use where you

1029
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:09.079
<v Speaker 5>tap or something like apples?

1030
00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, well, if if there's a if there's a

1031
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:16.199
<v Speaker 1>device inside the credit card reader itself in the slot,

1032
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and now the gas station I go to, you have

1033
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:22.360
<v Speaker 1>a you have a place to tap in and it's

1034
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the same it's the same reader where you slide in

1035
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the card or you tap it. And so wouldn't it

1036
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.519
<v Speaker 1>be able to get your information if you just tap

1037
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:31.039
<v Speaker 1>your card?

1038
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 5>As far as I know, the answer is no.

1039
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:35.719
<v Speaker 4>And here's why.

1040
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:39.000
<v Speaker 5>Now, I'm not one hundred percent certain someone hasn't devised

1041
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 5>something that you get around us. I hasn't it to

1042
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:43.000
<v Speaker 5>say with authority what I'm about to tell you is.

1043
00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:44.440
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent accurate.

1044
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

1045
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:47.960
<v Speaker 5>So generally speaking, the ones that require you to slide

1046
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.920
<v Speaker 5>the card in, it's reading the mag stripe off the card.

1047
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 5>It's so the tap to pay is using near field

1048
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:58.719
<v Speaker 5>communication and that C technology. I can't guarantee you for

1049
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:01.679
<v Speaker 5>sure that you couldn't older device to to capture both,

1050
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 5>but that is not typically the case.

1051
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's what I would say.

1052
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 4>That makes sense.

1053
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, any other words about I mean, other

1054
00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:14.400
<v Speaker 1>than watching to see if anything looks unusual or unwieldy

1055
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.320
<v Speaker 1>about the credit card reader that you're using, I would

1056
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:20.880
<v Speaker 1>say as yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>I would just say Gary, Jeff, you know, stick to

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<v Speaker 5>card readers that are in the most visible places where

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00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:27.880
<v Speaker 5>they'd be harder to tamper with. Like if you're in

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<v Speaker 5>a gas station, the ones closest to the attendance where

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00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:33.559
<v Speaker 5>there's the most foot traffic much more difficult to tamper

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<v Speaker 5>with than the one that's like the furthest the way

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<v Speaker 5>and facing the screen, for example. And you know, even

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00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.480
<v Speaker 5>at a store, you know, if you stick to the

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<v Speaker 5>places where there's the most people, perhaps you can see

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00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:45.039
<v Speaker 5>security cameras. You know, there's the most foot traffic. It

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<v Speaker 5>makes it a lot more difficult for the bad guys

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<v Speaker 5>to have time to tamper with things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is this is gotta be.

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<v Speaker 5>Real careful and then you know, keep it on your accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is a very important conversation that we need

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<v Speaker 1>to be having, Dave, because so few people and me

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00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:04.159
<v Speaker 1>working in a in a cash business as a bartender,

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00:58:04.760 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 1>so few people carry cash anymore. To me, cash is king.

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<v Speaker 1>I use cash all the time. At the grocery store

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00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>or wherever I'm shopping, I usually use cash. And I

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you have to use a credit card

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<v Speaker 1>for a payment or something like that on your insurance

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00:58:24.000 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 1>or your your cable or whatever you're you're spending your

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00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:33.159
<v Speaker 1>money on. Uh, that's that has that kind of electronic link. Yeah, okay, fine,

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00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 1>using my bank account that way. But I I love

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00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.519
<v Speaker 1>to use cash, and they're trying to take it away

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<v Speaker 1>from us, Dave.

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<v Speaker 4>What do they do? They are?

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<v Speaker 3>Gary?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so that's something I'm really concerned about. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't tend to carry a lot of cash on me,

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00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.320
<v Speaker 5>but yeah, the idea that we could ever get to

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<v Speaker 5>a society where everything is one hundred percent, and I'm

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00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 5>not sure that we won't eventually just get there by default.

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00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.880
<v Speaker 5>But the potential then for you to be controlled by

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00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:06.360
<v Speaker 5>the government or fill in the blank, whichever side you're on,

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00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 5>whoever's in control, would have total control of you know,

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00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 5>everything you buy. You know, look at the social credit

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00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 5>score situation in China. You know, as soon as you

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00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:16.880
<v Speaker 5>run a foul of the government and anyway, they could

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00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.119
<v Speaker 5>shut you down. Not to mention, every day we see

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00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:22.679
<v Speaker 5>some sort of hack or something that shows you that,

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00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 5>you know, our systems are still way too immature for

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<v Speaker 5>something like central bank digital currency. So yeah, I'm one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred percent against it.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:35.199
<v Speaker 5>Warren Davidson, actogusman in Ohio, very knowledgeable about the subject,

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00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:37.960
<v Speaker 5>has been, you know, very strongly opposed to this, talks

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00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.840
<v Speaker 5>about it a lot, learns about it a lot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>the idea of a cash with society is not good.

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<v Speaker 5>I understand the arguments for it, but I think the

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00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:50.039
<v Speaker 5>downside is so big. I hope it does not happen

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<v Speaker 5>in my lifetime. And I encourage people to use cash

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<v Speaker 5>whenever you can, simply because it reduces the risk of

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00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.599
<v Speaker 5>things like skimmers. Yeah, you know, or having an employee

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00:59:59.599 --> 01:00:00.559
<v Speaker 5>steal your credit cards.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I am someone that works there, Sure, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have talked about this on numerous occasions,

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<v Speaker 1>but one more time with feeling please on Internet connected

1116
01:00:10.480 --> 01:00:14.360
<v Speaker 1>cameras like your ring, doorbell or whatever you're using, that

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01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:18.639
<v Speaker 1>are made in China may be used despite on US

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01:00:18.639 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure as well, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

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<v Speaker 1>What's this story all about?

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<v Speaker 3>In a nutshell, Yeah, so Juilwei hick Vision.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a bunch of cameras out there now. I'm not

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01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.920
<v Speaker 5>a fan of these Internet connected cameras in general. When

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<v Speaker 5>the IoT, the Internet of things are so called smart devices,

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01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 5>you can't see my air quotes as a whole for

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of the reasons we just talked about, right,

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<v Speaker 5>this market is very immature, and most of the time

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01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:45.119
<v Speaker 5>the vendors that build these things are much more focused

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<v Speaker 5>on ease of use and market share, speed to market

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01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 5>than they are things like privacy and security. So as

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<v Speaker 5>a whole, many, if not most, Internet connected devices are

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01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 5>privacy and security dumpster fires. People don't know how to

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01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:01.159
<v Speaker 5>configure them correctly, they don't not update the software in them,

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01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.480
<v Speaker 5>and you know, a research study found that they looking

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<v Speaker 5>at the major smart TV manufacturers, none of them put

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<v Speaker 5>out updates for their software inside the TVs after more

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01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:13.559
<v Speaker 5>than two years. And that's true across all these things.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's so many problems with these things, and people

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01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 5>are buying this stuff and plugging it in without any

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01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.599
<v Speaker 5>thought to Could I hack your smart camera and then

1140
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:23.519
<v Speaker 5>get to your PC and then get to your bank

1141
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:26.519
<v Speaker 5>account or your work systems. Well maybe maybe that's not

1142
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:31.119
<v Speaker 5>far fetched. And now you've got DHS warning again specifically

1143
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:35.400
<v Speaker 5>about any cameras built in China. Shocker, I know, right,

1144
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.719
<v Speaker 5>we pretty much anything coming from China. Here's a warning, folks.

1145
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.519
<v Speaker 5>If it's digital and it has software and it came

1146
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:45.920
<v Speaker 5>from China or a PRC controlled company, eventually I can

1147
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:49.079
<v Speaker 5>guarantee you there will be a problem with it. And yeah,

1148
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:51.960
<v Speaker 5>so you've got DHS warning that these things could potentially

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01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:55.679
<v Speaker 5>be hacked, not only as an attack vector for downstream

1150
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:58.840
<v Speaker 5>attacks on servers, systems, whatever with it as networks. But

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01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.000
<v Speaker 5>the fact and there was a story Gary, Jeff, we

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01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:02.800
<v Speaker 5>may have talked about it not maybe a year and

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01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:06.039
<v Speaker 5>a half ago, where the Russians were hacking security cameras

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01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:09.119
<v Speaker 5>in Ukraine and then using those cameras to target things.

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01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 5>So I know this downs far fetched the people that

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01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.400
<v Speaker 5>don't follow this stuff and don't work in the business.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm just.

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<v Speaker 5>Telling you again, this isn't old Doomsday Dave Hatter's opinion,

1159
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:20.639
<v Speaker 5>although I strongly agree with it and I try to

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01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 5>avoid any of this stuff. You've got the Department of

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<v Speaker 5>Homeland Security explicitly warning people to get rid of these

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01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:31.880
<v Speaker 5>kind of cameras because they're easily hackable and a potential

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01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:37.280
<v Speaker 5>way for our adversaries China in particular, to collect information

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<v Speaker 5>and or even possibly launch attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, as you, as you mentioned earlier in

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01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the conversation, you just got to convince your wife of

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<v Speaker 1>all this, Dave.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's got Mike sisssis. I pushed, pushed the rock

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01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:52.840
<v Speaker 5>up the hill and then it rolls over me and

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01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:54.599
<v Speaker 5>I go back down and start over every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Dave had or thank you much spending some time

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01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:03.079
<v Speaker 1>with us tonight. Fun stuff and important stuff both my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks all right, Dave had He and you can find

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01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.400
<v Speaker 1>him on LinkedIn and several other places, and he'll pop

1175
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.360
<v Speaker 1>up on Local twelve. He'll be on fifty five KR. See,

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01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you never know where Dave will surface next. But he

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01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Speaker 1>has a good, strong message and something you need to

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01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.760
<v Speaker 1>heed most of the time. The nightcap continues on seven

1179
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 1>hundred WLW. So what's in your body language? Well, we

1180
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:34.519
<v Speaker 1>have a guest who says that sometimes everything it tells

1181
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:38.559
<v Speaker 1>you a whole lot about an individual just by watching

1182
01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:44.159
<v Speaker 1>their posture in different situations. We have America's Psychiatrists, host

1183
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of Doctor Carroll's Couch on Voice America dot com, the

1184
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Terrorist Therapist podcast, and she's been a previous guest on

1185
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the show many many times. You've seen her on TV,

1186
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 1>you've heard her here, and once again tonight she joins

1187
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<v Speaker 1>us doctor Lieberman, what's going on with Donald Trump and

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01:04:04.559 --> 01:04:09.559
<v Speaker 1>his body language? You were especially referencing the meeting in

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01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the Oval Office that occurred last week where the President

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01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.400
<v Speaker 1>is sitting at the Resolute desk behind the Resolute desk

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01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and Elon Musk is standing next to him along with

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01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:25.880
<v Speaker 1>his cute little kid X, who apparently at some point

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01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:30.280
<v Speaker 1>during the session the press session, X leaned into the

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01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 1>President and told him to shut his mouth. But it

1195
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 1>was explaining doge and what they're doing and why they're

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01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.360
<v Speaker 1>doing it, and why everybody, I mean it's most of

1197
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 1>the stuff that they're talking about are what they call

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01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.800
<v Speaker 1>eighty twenty issues. Eighty percent of the American people are

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<v Speaker 1>definitely four what they're doing and cutting government and spending

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01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.360
<v Speaker 1>and the waste and the fraud that is in our

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01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:59.480
<v Speaker 1>federal government. And man, have we been have we been

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01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:04.639
<v Speaker 1>treated to a litany of just horrifying amounts of money

1203
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that's ours, that's going out the door for fraudulent means

1204
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 1>and money laundering and other things. Anyway, I got sidetracked,

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<v Speaker 1>so doctor Laberman, welcome to the show number one, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's great to have you back.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, thank you. And yes, that meeting, that press conference

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01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:28.440
<v Speaker 6>about DOGE and about some of the the atroc atrocities

1209
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 6>that they have found already, the corruption and money going

1210
01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:37.719
<v Speaker 6>to you know, going to people are who must be

1211
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 6>dead because otherwise they'd be one hundred and fifty years old,

1212
01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:45.960
<v Speaker 6>and to just things that don't have any description either

1213
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 6>there's a check for a certain amount of money and

1214
01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:50.679
<v Speaker 6>no description of what it was for. I mean, they're

1215
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 6>finding outrageous things, and it does boggle my mind that people, well,

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01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:57.679
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, the left is just angry at

1217
01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:01.119
<v Speaker 6>trunk no matter what trunk does right that they don't

1218
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 6>think that it's right. But this particular press conference I

1219
01:06:04.199 --> 01:06:08.480
<v Speaker 6>thought was interesting in terms of body language. Some people

1220
01:06:08.519 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 6>have said that they thought Elon Musk was in control

1221
01:06:12.159 --> 01:06:16.760
<v Speaker 6>because Elon was standing and Trump was sitting. But Trump

1222
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:18.880
<v Speaker 6>was sitting at his desk, which is, you know, the

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01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:26.719
<v Speaker 6>the the centerpiece. Yes, yes, so you know, of course

1224
01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.400
<v Speaker 6>the cameras are going to be on that. But anyhow,

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01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 6>but but he did give Elon the floor to explain

1226
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 6>the details of what they've been finding. I mean, clearly

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01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:42.360
<v Speaker 6>Trump knew those as well, but I think in part

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<v Speaker 6>I think he did that so that the criticism, you know,

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01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:48.960
<v Speaker 6>would continue to go towards Elon and not to him.

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<v Speaker 6>But I mean, Elon is the one who he put

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01:06:51.239 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 6>in charge of DOGE and is the one who's looking

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01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 6>into all of these monies that have just been going

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01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:03.199
<v Speaker 6>out the window. So so, but I think that Trump

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<v Speaker 6>has been in control. First of all, Trump doesn't really

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01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:08.519
<v Speaker 6>get into any kind of circumstance where he's not in control,

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01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.599
<v Speaker 6>or he makes it in his control, takes the control

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01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:15.039
<v Speaker 6>over at some point if he isn't at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 6>Elon Musk kept looking over to Trump to for approval,

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01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:27.480
<v Speaker 6>you know, as he was explaining himself. And you know,

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01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:30.440
<v Speaker 6>so that's another indication that Trump was really in control.

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<v Speaker 6>And but so it was a little strange. Was was

1243
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:41.199
<v Speaker 6>his son X. Now we of course X was adorable, uh,

1244
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:46.280
<v Speaker 6>but but it really seemed a little inappropriate for him

1245
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:49.760
<v Speaker 6>to be he was he was a distraction and the

1246
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:52.199
<v Speaker 6>way he made it seem you know, first of all,

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01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:55.559
<v Speaker 6>he was kind of walking around and doing all kinds

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01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:59.519
<v Speaker 6>of interesting movements, and so people would be, you know,

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01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:03.400
<v Speaker 6>always going to look at children or animals, you know. Sure,

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01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:08.159
<v Speaker 6>so so that was a little distracting. It made it

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01:08:08.199 --> 01:08:11.519
<v Speaker 6>seem like they were sitting together in a park rather

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01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:16.760
<v Speaker 6>than that this is like something of super major importance,

1253
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:22.239
<v Speaker 6>like the money, our money, and and you know, the

1254
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:26.319
<v Speaker 6>firings that were going on and are going on. And

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<v Speaker 6>so that was a little And then of course the

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01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.439
<v Speaker 6>way he talked to drug. Now clearly somebody must have

1257
01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 6>said that to him like shush, you know, so he

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01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 6>was just kind of repeating him. But then but then

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<v Speaker 6>Eli was picked him up and he had him on

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01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:41.600
<v Speaker 6>his shoulders and he had him on his head, and

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<v Speaker 6>I mean that's all very cute and adorable, but it

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01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:48.600
<v Speaker 6>just didn't have I don't think that the place was

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01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 6>at this kind of a meeting press.

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01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:54.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exact.

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01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Here's here's what I what I take away from that,

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01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:59.199
<v Speaker 1>and what I took away from that at the time.

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01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess now that we're talking about it, it's coming

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01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.520
<v Speaker 1>back to me what I took away from him being

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01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.279
<v Speaker 1>in this press conference in the Oval Office with his

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01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:14.039
<v Speaker 1>father and President Trump, was Trump signaling that this is

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01:09:14.119 --> 01:09:19.319
<v Speaker 1>the new Norman Washington. This is well, it's vastly, incredibly

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01:09:19.359 --> 01:09:24.479
<v Speaker 1>important to getting this runaway train of thirty six thirty

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01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:27.439
<v Speaker 1>seven trillion dollars in debt that will never repay if

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01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 1>we don't stop it right now. But for me, this

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01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.039
<v Speaker 1>is the new norm in the White House. There's kids,

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01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:39.840
<v Speaker 1>there're families, because this affects everyone in every family in America.

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01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:41.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I took away from it. You're right,

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01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not the usual protocol. It's not the usual standard

1279
01:09:46.479 --> 01:09:50.079
<v Speaker 1>that you expect of a president and a presidency. But

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01:09:50.680 --> 01:09:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's part of the charm of Trump,

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01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:59.640
<v Speaker 1>is that he doesn't do things the way establishment Washington

1282
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.560
<v Speaker 1>aspects and the buttoned up, in the very very formal

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01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:06.199
<v Speaker 1>at all times kind of vibe I mean, do you

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01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:08.319
<v Speaker 1>see where I'm coming from there? Yes?

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01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.239
<v Speaker 6>Yes, And I like his you know the way that

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01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:15.520
<v Speaker 6>he does that. You know that he brings his own

1287
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:21.439
<v Speaker 6>style to it. But you know, first of all, I

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01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.399
<v Speaker 6>was wondering what his own children were thinking about this,

1289
01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:31.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, like Baron wasn't in the Oval office, for example.

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01:10:31.479 --> 01:10:34.479
<v Speaker 6>I think Baron must have been jealous of X. You

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01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:36.840
<v Speaker 6>know what's going on here? My father never let me

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01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:41.640
<v Speaker 6>do this in the Oval Office. I don't know, I

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01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:43.319
<v Speaker 6>just I mean.

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01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, back back to our original point. Your original point is,

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01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:51.199
<v Speaker 1>even though Musk is standing up during this press conference

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01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:55.159
<v Speaker 1>and Trump is sitting down the president, his body language

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01:10:55.159 --> 01:10:58.439
<v Speaker 1>shows he was in control. And there are certain certain

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01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.640
<v Speaker 1>cues and certain things for people look for in a

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01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:07.560
<v Speaker 1>situation like that. What do you look for to find

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01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:10.399
<v Speaker 1>out who the alpha is in the room, doctor Lieberman?

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01:11:11.520 --> 01:11:13.439
<v Speaker 6>Well, as I was starting to say, you know where

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01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:16.800
<v Speaker 6>Trump had them sit and stand, you know where the

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01:11:16.880 --> 01:11:23.880
<v Speaker 6>placement of them, then Trump really didn't make very much movement.

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01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:27.640
<v Speaker 6>You know, he he did look at Elon Musk's sons

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01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:30.399
<v Speaker 6>from time to time, and as the press conference was

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01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:33.560
<v Speaker 6>going on, he was looking a little less intrigued with

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01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:35.560
<v Speaker 6>his son like at first he was kind of he

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01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.800
<v Speaker 6>could tell us Trump thought it was adorable, and then

1309
01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:42.439
<v Speaker 6>he thought it was less adorable as as X was making,

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01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:45.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, distracting more and more. Then we have Elon Musk.

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01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 6>His main body movements were when he brought his hands

1312
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:56.760
<v Speaker 6>far apart and back together. And when his hands were apart,

1313
01:11:57.319 --> 01:12:01.520
<v Speaker 6>it meant that he was open to considering options in

1314
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.840
<v Speaker 6>regarding to what he was talking about, or at least

1315
01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:05.680
<v Speaker 6>he wanted to make people think that he was open

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01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.960
<v Speaker 6>to options. When he put his hands together, particularly with

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01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:14.399
<v Speaker 6>his fingers touching, in what's called a steeple position, you know,

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01:12:14.520 --> 01:12:18.199
<v Speaker 6>putting them together like a church steeple. Sure, that was

1319
01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:25.560
<v Speaker 6>to underline certain points, you know, and certain conclusions. And

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01:12:25.560 --> 01:12:30.680
<v Speaker 6>and you know Trump put in his he wasn't really

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01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:32.199
<v Speaker 6>I mean, that was part of it too, that he

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01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:36.880
<v Speaker 6>wasn't really making a whole lot of big body movements.

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01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:41.079
<v Speaker 6>He he was, you know, sort of self contained in

1324
01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:46.159
<v Speaker 6>his seat at the desk. And and you know when

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01:12:46.199 --> 01:12:49.319
<v Speaker 6>he there were certain parts towards the end, there were

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01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:52.600
<v Speaker 6>certain parts where he kind of took over. I mean,

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01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:55.399
<v Speaker 6>he wanted he was sort of underlining to the points

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01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:59.159
<v Speaker 6>that that Elan was making in that there is just

1329
01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:05.159
<v Speaker 6>so much much corruption that uh, you know that we

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01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:07.479
<v Speaker 6>should all be shocked, we should all be outraged.

1331
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:10.439
<v Speaker 1>Yes we should. Indeed we should. And I love what

1332
01:13:10.479 --> 01:13:14.199
<v Speaker 1>you said earlier about uh and it's true about their points.

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01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:16.720
<v Speaker 1>During this press conference in the Oval Office last week,

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01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:21.319
<v Speaker 1>where Elon Musk was looking to the President for approval,

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01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:25.079
<v Speaker 1>and you could tell, you could tell you Elon was standing.

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01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.439
<v Speaker 1>You could tell who was in charge in the room, right.

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01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:34.239
<v Speaker 6>And you know, I think Elon was anxious, you know,

1338
01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:37.439
<v Speaker 6>I mean you have to remember that Elon. I mean, yes,

1339
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:39.880
<v Speaker 6>he's a big shot. He's the boss of space X,

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01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.960
<v Speaker 6>He's the boss of X or Twitter, at Tesla, all

1341
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:46.000
<v Speaker 6>of that. So when he gets up to make a

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01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:49.600
<v Speaker 6>you know, a speech at any of those places, no

1343
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.760
<v Speaker 6>one's questioning that he's the boss. No one's going to

1344
01:13:52.840 --> 01:13:56.680
<v Speaker 6>criticize him, at least not in the press conference for

1345
01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:02.039
<v Speaker 6>any of these other companies. But this was a different circumstances.

1346
01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:05.000
<v Speaker 6>It was even different than when Elon was on stage

1347
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:09.359
<v Speaker 6>at the rallies, you know, at Truck's rallies. It wasn't

1348
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:13.000
<v Speaker 6>like to he wasn't under any criticism at that point.

1349
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:15.399
<v Speaker 6>I mean, other than people who you know, were criticizing

1350
01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:20.399
<v Speaker 6>Trump and criticizing Republicans not wanting Republicans to win. But

1351
01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:24.800
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't anything personal or that didn't seem personal towards Elon.

1352
01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:29.079
<v Speaker 6>This is the first time that he has been getting

1353
01:14:29.119 --> 01:14:32.079
<v Speaker 6>a lot of criticism because the people not wanting to

1354
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.000
<v Speaker 6>lose their jobs and all of that, and people being

1355
01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:38.920
<v Speaker 6>afraid of what they're going to discover, you know, I

1356
01:14:38.960 --> 01:14:41.479
<v Speaker 6>mean he has he hasn't finished yet, and I'm sure

1357
01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:44.800
<v Speaker 6>there's going to be a lot more grafted that he

1358
01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:49.079
<v Speaker 6>will discover. So it was it was a different position,

1359
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:51.800
<v Speaker 6>and so he was anxious, and I was thinking that

1360
01:14:51.800 --> 01:14:55.600
<v Speaker 6>that was why Trump allowed Elon to bring his son

1361
01:14:55.760 --> 01:15:01.119
<v Speaker 6>kind of as a security blanket, you know, therapy dog.

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01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Sure, Sooe, No, that's that's a good point. That's a

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01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:09.000
<v Speaker 1>good point. Well, Uh, can you give me an example

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01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 1>of how Trump differs in a public space either at

1365
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the press conference in the Oval office and his body

1366
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:22.279
<v Speaker 1>language as opposed to say, Kamala Harris and her her

1367
01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:26.039
<v Speaker 1>body language and which always came off to me as

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01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:30.880
<v Speaker 1>very very nervous and unsure, I mean, went right along

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01:15:30.920 --> 01:15:34.600
<v Speaker 1>with that patented nervous laugh that she had anytime She

1370
01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:38.239
<v Speaker 1>couldn't come up with an answer to even simple questions.

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01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:41.399
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what did you notice about her in particular?

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01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Although we really don't have to watch her anymore, thank god.

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01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.359
<v Speaker 1>So what did you make of Kamala Harris's body language

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01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:52.720
<v Speaker 1>in different situations?

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01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:57.960
<v Speaker 6>She was all over the place. Kamala she has I

1376
01:15:58.600 --> 01:16:01.600
<v Speaker 6>you know, I've never met her personal I don't want to.

1377
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:05.600
<v Speaker 6>But from what I have seen of her, uh, she

1378
01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:09.239
<v Speaker 6>has and what I know of her, she has imposter syndrome.

1379
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.760
<v Speaker 6>She was always worried every minute. She was terrified that

1380
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.720
<v Speaker 6>we were going to see that she was an impostive,

1381
01:16:17.119 --> 01:16:21.319
<v Speaker 6>an impostor. She did not know what she was doing

1382
01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:25.159
<v Speaker 6>as vice president. She was always laughing because she couldn't

1383
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:27.840
<v Speaker 6>believe that she was vice president. You know, she was

1384
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:32.640
<v Speaker 6>still still kind of trying to get over this. Really

1385
01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:38.439
<v Speaker 6>they elected me vice well, and then they elected Harris

1386
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:44.479
<v Speaker 6>exactly exactly so, because she was just all over the

1387
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:48.000
<v Speaker 6>place and making word salad and her and her body

1388
01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:52.319
<v Speaker 6>movement sort of reflected that Trump. Trump differs. You know,

1389
01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:58.239
<v Speaker 6>sometimes he is more expressive. He certainly is very facially expressive.

1390
01:16:58.640 --> 01:17:00.760
<v Speaker 6>You can tell what he was thinking, and you know,

1391
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.640
<v Speaker 6>sometimes he's purposely facially expressive, like he wants you to

1392
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:09.960
<v Speaker 6>know that he's like rolling his eyes, you know. And uh,

1393
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:13.560
<v Speaker 6>and so it's it's always it's kind of different in

1394
01:17:13.600 --> 01:17:18.199
<v Speaker 6>different circumstances. But when he's more when he's the more

1395
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:24.239
<v Speaker 6>serious he is, the more the less he uses his body,

1396
01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:29.560
<v Speaker 6>you know, the less the less he is demonstrating things

1397
01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:31.319
<v Speaker 6>with his body and the other than like to make

1398
01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:33.600
<v Speaker 6>with his hands to make a point or whatever.

1399
01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:34.319
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:40.199
<v Speaker 6>But but but some when he's really serious, he's more

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01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:45.279
<v Speaker 6>in his head and isn't really doing that much body wise.

1402
01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:48.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, what what I notice he's doing? And you

1403
01:17:48.279 --> 01:17:50.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about Elon Musk doing this at a press conference.

1404
01:17:50.600 --> 01:17:53.479
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Lieberman the other day said moving his hands far

1405
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.920
<v Speaker 1>apart to show that he's open and then closing them together.

1406
01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.199
<v Speaker 1>And I see Donald Trump do that quite a bit

1407
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:01.159
<v Speaker 1>when he's speaking and he's using his hands.

1408
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:10.319
<v Speaker 1>However, I mean, I see these other politicians that they

1410
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:12.600
<v Speaker 1>used to have the thing with the thumb just sticking

1411
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.359
<v Speaker 1>out of the fist. What does that say to people?

1412
01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:18.520
<v Speaker 1>And I'm so glad I'm not seeing anybody Clinton did that,

1413
01:18:18.880 --> 01:18:21.840
<v Speaker 1>and uh, and I think one of the Bushes did

1414
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:25.439
<v Speaker 1>that when they were speaking they you know, you know

1415
01:18:25.439 --> 01:18:27.119
<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about, Just have the fist with the

1416
01:18:27.159 --> 01:18:30.600
<v Speaker 1>thumb just kind of sticking out and reaching out to people.

1417
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:33.640
<v Speaker 1>What what does that kind of a body motion say.

1418
01:18:34.840 --> 01:18:37.800
<v Speaker 6>Well, you mean like people, Yeah, but it's it's not.

1419
01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:43.079
<v Speaker 1>It's not pointing. And you see, especially Bill Clinton when

1420
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:46.600
<v Speaker 1>he was talking in public do that or making a

1421
01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:50.199
<v Speaker 1>campaign speech, he had his his hand kind of fisted

1422
01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:53.079
<v Speaker 1>up and the thumb is just barely sticking out and

1423
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:56.079
<v Speaker 1>he used it and in like a forward motion to

1424
01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:58.600
<v Speaker 1>make a point. What does that say?

1425
01:18:59.640 --> 01:19:04.800
<v Speaker 6>Well, a closed fist, especially, you know, pushing it out

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01:19:05.000 --> 01:19:10.880
<v Speaker 6>is an angry movement, is a you know, it's it's uh,

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01:19:11.800 --> 01:19:14.359
<v Speaker 6>it's like you better listen to me kind of thing.

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01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh. That's what I got from it. Well, it's

1429
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:21.600
<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff. I usually don't even think about it, but

1430
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:27.960
<v Speaker 1>as I was reading the material for this conversation, I

1431
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:32.000
<v Speaker 1>started thinking about that Oval Office press conference we've been

1432
01:19:32.000 --> 01:19:35.199
<v Speaker 1>talking about from the majority of the time, and how

1433
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:39.159
<v Speaker 1>it always, even though Elon was standing up, you could

1434
01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 1>tell who the president was and who was in charge,

1435
01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:44.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's Donald Trump. And it's nice to know that

1436
01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:48.279
<v Speaker 1>the person who was elected president is actually in charge.

1437
01:19:48.359 --> 01:19:51.439
<v Speaker 1>And running the country as opposed to what we lived

1438
01:19:51.479 --> 01:19:54.039
<v Speaker 1>with the previous four years with Joe Biden, where it

1439
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.600
<v Speaker 1>was obvious, it was clearly obvious that all he was

1440
01:19:57.640 --> 01:20:00.760
<v Speaker 1>doing was signing what they told him to sign. Trump

1441
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.279
<v Speaker 1>is signing. Trump is signing executive orders and pursuing an

1442
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:08.800
<v Speaker 1>agenda that is his and the people who voted for

1443
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:13.239
<v Speaker 1>his agenda, Well, Biden was pursuing someone's agenda. I don't

1444
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.079
<v Speaker 1>know who it was, but I don't believe it was

1445
01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the American people.

1446
01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:18.359
<v Speaker 6>I believe it was Obama.

1447
01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:22.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did Obama have Did Obama have powerful body language?

1448
01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was very charismatic.

1449
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:30.039
<v Speaker 6>Well, yes, he was definitely charismatic, but it was you know,

1450
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:34.079
<v Speaker 6>it was all an act. It was all I mean,

1451
01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:37.640
<v Speaker 6>he was doing like look up here, while there's all

1452
01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:42.119
<v Speaker 6>these other things going on down there, What was they

1453
01:20:42.119 --> 01:20:43.439
<v Speaker 6>going to say? I was going to say something about

1454
01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:46.000
<v Speaker 6>it was interesting also in the in the debates, like

1455
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:51.119
<v Speaker 6>I analyzed the debate with Trump and Kamala and jd

1456
01:20:51.319 --> 01:20:57.520
<v Speaker 6>Vance and uh Waltz, and Waltz was interesting because he

1457
01:20:57.680 --> 01:21:00.680
<v Speaker 6>was so nervous, you know, he was like it was

1458
01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:08.199
<v Speaker 6>like a barrel of monkeys, so jittery and and Vance.

1459
01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:10.840
<v Speaker 6>You know, I describe Vance as like the captain of

1460
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:14.800
<v Speaker 6>a ship, very self confident, very calm. You know, you

1461
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:19.600
<v Speaker 6>don't really. Body language is very interesting because the same

1462
01:21:20.920 --> 01:21:25.159
<v Speaker 6>uh motion, or the same you know, putting body parts

1463
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:29.159
<v Speaker 6>in different places the same way can mean different things

1464
01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:33.079
<v Speaker 6>depending upon the context and depending upon what's being said,

1465
01:21:35.079 --> 01:21:37.039
<v Speaker 6>and so so you have to kind of take it

1466
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:41.119
<v Speaker 6>all in in in the particular context that it's in,

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<v Speaker 6>you know. But but yes, I think I think we

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<v Speaker 6>can we can feel, you know, there and with with

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01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:53.239
<v Speaker 6>Trump and Elon, there is there was then, and there

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01:21:53.319 --> 01:22:00.319
<v Speaker 6>still is. All this controversy or criticism that that really

1471
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:03.600
<v Speaker 6>Elon's running the show. People are trying to say, which

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01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:06.840
<v Speaker 6>of course isn't true. And yes, these examples show that

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01:22:06.880 --> 01:22:09.359
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't true with that particular press conference, but just

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01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:12.760
<v Speaker 6>in general, it's not true. He's just you know, he's

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01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:16.239
<v Speaker 6>happy to have Elon right, not just for his money,

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01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:20.039
<v Speaker 6>but but for his I mean, Elon is brilliant, and

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01:22:21.239 --> 01:22:24.439
<v Speaker 6>Trump is happy to use him in these particular places.

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01:22:24.800 --> 01:22:29.680
<v Speaker 6>But no Trump, he can never be president Elon and.

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<v Speaker 1>No Carol, doctor Lieberman, thank you so much, America's psychiatrist

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01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:38.359
<v Speaker 1>body language expert, Doctor Carol Lieberman on the show tonight,

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01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:43.199
<v Speaker 1>and we appreciate your help. Thank you. You're welcome, right,

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01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:47.319
<v Speaker 1>you got it, Welcome to the night Cap into another

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01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:50.520
<v Speaker 1>hour on this Monday President's Night on seven hundred W

1484
01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:55.000
<v Speaker 1>l W. Gary Jeff Up. Next is I get these

1485
01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:57.439
<v Speaker 1>pitches all the time from these pr firms that are

1486
01:22:57.479 --> 01:23:00.600
<v Speaker 1>plugging authors who have books, and they want to get

1487
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:03.119
<v Speaker 1>the word out that this material is out there so

1488
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>you will buy it or be interested in it. But

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01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:09.479
<v Speaker 1>I saw this and I said, this is something that

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01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I definitely have wanted to explore, and we have it

1491
01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:16.720
<v Speaker 1>in great detail on this show anyway. And so tonight

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01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:22.279
<v Speaker 1>our guest is Adam Goussot Gusso. Is am I right, Adam,

1493
01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Adam Gusso, I'm just learning Adam Gusso, who is a

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01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Princeton educated guy. And it's a book out called My

1495
01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Family and I a Mississippi memoir, And what it tackles

1496
01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:45.760
<v Speaker 1>is Adam's families struggle in what is still sadly a

1497
01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>racially fractured world, at least ideologically in some people's minds.

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01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:57.600
<v Speaker 1>But the real living tells another story than what we

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01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Speaker 1>are being fed about. The race divides in America in

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01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:06.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five and to talk about that and white

1501
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:09.880
<v Speaker 1>privilege and h bomb Ferguson and all the rest of it.

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01:24:10.239 --> 01:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Here's Adam Gusso, how are you doing, Adam.

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01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:15.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great, Gary, Thank you so much for having

1504
01:24:15.680 --> 01:24:17.319
<v Speaker 3>me on your show. You know, when you invite a

1505
01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:19.159
<v Speaker 3>professor on, what we do is we do some research.

1506
01:24:19.199 --> 01:24:22.600
<v Speaker 3>And so I was curious about WLW and discovered that

1507
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:24.560
<v Speaker 3>you guys, I mean, I guess at one point you

1508
01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:27.159
<v Speaker 3>were the big one. But literally in the late thirties,

1509
01:24:27.399 --> 01:24:29.920
<v Speaker 3>five hundred thousand wats of power they had.

1510
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>They were given special dispensation from the government to have

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01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:38.560
<v Speaker 1>a five hundred thousand watt transmitter that was here in

1512
01:24:38.680 --> 01:24:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Mason At which is just outside of Cincinnati, and the

1513
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Voice of America Tower and that whole part. It was

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01:24:47.079 --> 01:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>only utilized for a couple of years as a test.

1515
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:53.319
<v Speaker 1>And I'm surprised they did not have it turned on

1516
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:55.439
<v Speaker 1>during World War Two when there could have been a

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01:24:55.479 --> 01:24:59.399
<v Speaker 1>real need to have the big One blasting out into

1518
01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:04.359
<v Speaker 1>Europe for the troops for information and news from home.

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01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:10.039
<v Speaker 1>But it's still with its fifty thousand watt clear channels signal.

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01:25:10.359 --> 01:25:13.760
<v Speaker 1>It still stretches into almost thirty eight states at night

1521
01:25:14.119 --> 01:25:19.920
<v Speaker 1>and Puerto Rico and is ubiquitous on the AM dial

1522
01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:21.680
<v Speaker 1>and it is still the big one.

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01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:24.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm quite sure that when I was the little, the

1524
01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:28.399
<v Speaker 3>ten to twelve year old with the old early fifties zenus,

1525
01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:30.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, record player radio, I was at night, I

1526
01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:34.600
<v Speaker 3>would go and you know the sounds that young people

1527
01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:38.399
<v Speaker 3>today don't know, and I heard c KLW out of

1528
01:25:38.520 --> 01:25:41.159
<v Speaker 3>like Hamilton, Ontario, whatever it was. But I'm sure that

1529
01:25:41.199 --> 01:25:42.840
<v Speaker 3>I heard you guys. So it's I just want to say,

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01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:45.159
<v Speaker 3>it's a huture honor to be with you today.

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01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's great to have us and with all this power,

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01:25:48.039 --> 01:25:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that at least a few people are listening.

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01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:56.479
<v Speaker 1>So let's let's talk about your path that has led

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01:25:56.520 --> 01:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you to this book. You're a professor, You were educated,

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01:26:01.960 --> 01:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>You got a degree from Princeton. Is that right? Tell

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01:26:04.159 --> 01:26:05.159
<v Speaker 1>me more about Yeah.

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01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually I'm I'm kind of one of those over

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01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:10.199
<v Speaker 3>educated fools. I was an undergrad at Princeton.

1539
01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I was the.

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01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:13.399
<v Speaker 3>Towny in my local day school in a little downstate

1541
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:15.960
<v Speaker 3>New York town. But I went to Yeah, I went

1542
01:26:16.000 --> 01:26:18.960
<v Speaker 3>in as electrical engineer. Wanted to be working with musicians actually,

1543
01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:21.239
<v Speaker 3>which is funny because I mean I've become a musician

1544
01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:24.880
<v Speaker 3>as well as professor. I took some time off, worked

1545
01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:26.640
<v Speaker 3>in New York for a while, went back to graduate

1546
01:26:26.640 --> 01:26:29.359
<v Speaker 3>school at Columbia, and then dropped out and became a

1547
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:31.840
<v Speaker 3>street musician, which is a sort of unusual career. Arc

1548
01:26:32.039 --> 01:26:34.600
<v Speaker 3>you were busky, became a busker. I was busking. I

1549
01:26:34.640 --> 01:26:37.199
<v Speaker 3>busted over and in Paris, I spoke a little bit

1550
01:26:37.239 --> 01:26:39.319
<v Speaker 3>of you know, high school French that I had to

1551
01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:42.800
<v Speaker 3>navigate the streets of Paris and ended up coming back.

1552
01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:45.359
<v Speaker 3>In the fall of eighty six, I ended up driving

1553
01:26:45.399 --> 01:26:48.079
<v Speaker 3>through Harlem. I was a writing tutor in this bombed

1554
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:50.520
<v Speaker 3>out South Bronx, that of the imagination, you know, the

1555
01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:52.760
<v Speaker 3>South Bronx that was truly bombed out. Yeah, And I

1556
01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.119
<v Speaker 3>was driving through Harlem. And I write about this actually

1557
01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:58.199
<v Speaker 3>in the second quarter of my book, because I ended

1558
01:26:58.279 --> 01:27:02.840
<v Speaker 3>up stopping and playing with an older black guitar player

1559
01:27:02.880 --> 01:27:05.800
<v Speaker 3>that everybody was calling Satan, which sounds unbelievable, and so

1560
01:27:05.840 --> 01:27:08.640
<v Speaker 3>I first day I heard his name, I said, well,

1561
01:27:08.640 --> 01:27:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Satan and Adam, I mean my we could play. It

1562
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.800
<v Speaker 3>turned out we played for more than thirty years after that.

1563
01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Did he offer you an apple at any time.

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01:27:16.439 --> 01:27:19.720
<v Speaker 3>No, okay, funny, he goes, So how about a hand

1565
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:21.479
<v Speaker 3>for the young man. When I played the first song

1566
01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:23.119
<v Speaker 3>that I played, and I talk about this moment in

1567
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:27.119
<v Speaker 3>the book, we played a song and traffic stopped. This

1568
01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:29.359
<v Speaker 3>is Harlem in nineteen eighty six.

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01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just.

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01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.920
<v Speaker 3>Before Howard Beach. It's just before I mean, New York

1571
01:27:33.039 --> 01:27:36.279
<v Speaker 3>is a racially tense place, and Howard Beach was. There

1572
01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:39.039
<v Speaker 3>was a sort of racial murder out in John Gotti's

1573
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:43.279
<v Speaker 3>neighborhood in Queens, but everybody was great. I mean, this

1574
01:27:43.399 --> 01:27:46.760
<v Speaker 3>is the I think. One thing I learned playing for

1575
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:50.000
<v Speaker 3>four years part time as a Harlem street musician in

1576
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:54.039
<v Speaker 3>my late twenties was I learned that black folks like

1577
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.159
<v Speaker 3>white folks. White folks get along with black folks, that,

1578
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:57.840
<v Speaker 3>in fact, if you actually get down on the ground

1579
01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:00.840
<v Speaker 3>level and it's just people talking to people, that in

1580
01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:03.880
<v Speaker 3>fact people want to have conversations. I still remember there

1581
01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:07.000
<v Speaker 3>was a guy who said, man, I'm from West Virginia,

1582
01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>and then he thought I would know about country music,

1583
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:12.279
<v Speaker 3>and like I was a you know, a white blues guy, right,

1584
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:14.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's what I was. But what it did

1585
01:28:14.760 --> 01:28:18.199
<v Speaker 3>for me, and this is at the heart of my book.

1586
01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:20.840
<v Speaker 3>I began to read I mean, he's reading a lot

1587
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:22.720
<v Speaker 3>of black lit, but I read a book by a

1588
01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:26.960
<v Speaker 3>couple of scholars that was about beloved community or beloved community,

1589
01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>about Martin Luther King and his conception. We hear that phrase,

1590
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:34.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, not to hope my children are judged not

1591
01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:36.079
<v Speaker 3>by the color of their skin, by the content of

1592
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:39.119
<v Speaker 3>their character. But also John Lewis, to the end of

1593
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:41.279
<v Speaker 3>his life, had this same vision. It was the vision

1594
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:45.119
<v Speaker 3>honestly of Snake, which was a pretty hard left progressive

1595
01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:48.960
<v Speaker 3>civil rights sort of brotherhood in the early sixties, but

1596
01:28:49.079 --> 01:28:52.520
<v Speaker 3>it was black and white together. People forget that because

1597
01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>black power kind of displaced that. By the mid sixties

1598
01:28:55.840 --> 01:28:59.079
<v Speaker 3>sixty six it began to come in. People forget that

1599
01:28:59.279 --> 01:29:02.199
<v Speaker 3>early day, early days with the interlock hands and we

1600
01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:05.439
<v Speaker 3>shall overcome and I and now everybody trivializes it was

1601
01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>o kumbaya. But what if you actually try to live

1602
01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:11.680
<v Speaker 3>that vision? And that's that was a foundation. It's one

1603
01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:14.119
<v Speaker 3>of the frames that I think really helps people get

1604
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.680
<v Speaker 3>a handle on my book what happened to that vision

1605
01:29:17.359 --> 01:29:21.399
<v Speaker 3>and why? Because by two thousand and three, I'll just

1606
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:25.359
<v Speaker 3>say my book begins with a kind of train wreck

1607
01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:31.119
<v Speaker 3>in which this this young professor trained in African American studies.

1608
01:29:31.159 --> 01:29:33.319
<v Speaker 3>I went back to Princeton and did a dissertation on

1609
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:37.000
<v Speaker 3>blues and Southern violence. But I was interested in racial healing.

1610
01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:38.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, in the in the in the Clinton years

1611
01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>in the late nineties, there was a lot of talk

1612
01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:44.000
<v Speaker 3>about racial healing, racial reconciliation, that term racial healing. It

1613
01:29:44.079 --> 01:29:46.520
<v Speaker 3>was Clinton's initiative on race right, and it was in

1614
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.840
<v Speaker 3>the aftermath of Rodney King and the LA riots or uprising,

1615
01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:53.079
<v Speaker 3>whatever you want to call it. So I was interested

1616
01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:55.279
<v Speaker 3>in that stuff, and there was one quadrant of it

1617
01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.920
<v Speaker 3>that really unnerved But I thought, if you're a researcher,

1618
01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:00.800
<v Speaker 3>you should go and investigate, which was when white folks

1619
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.880
<v Speaker 3>get together on the hard left and go into these

1620
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:07.680
<v Speaker 3>training workshops. This is something everybody became familiar with in

1621
01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:09.640
<v Speaker 3>the summer of twenty twenty. What I saw it at

1622
01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:13.840
<v Speaker 3>work in two thousand and three and I ended up

1623
01:30:15.239 --> 01:30:17.479
<v Speaker 3>were all it was all white people, and it was

1624
01:30:17.520 --> 01:30:20.680
<v Speaker 3>two trainers, and we were instructed in what I've come

1625
01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:24.039
<v Speaker 3>to understand really is kind of intersectional stuff, which is

1626
01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:27.520
<v Speaker 3>to set or the intersectional stack. If you have progressive listeners.

1627
01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:30.840
<v Speaker 3>They've heard this term, which means basically, if you're white,

1628
01:30:31.279 --> 01:30:36.159
<v Speaker 3>and you're male, and you're older, and you're presumptively upper class.

1629
01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:39.279
<v Speaker 3>I was a working class kid, but I had gone

1630
01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:43.199
<v Speaker 3>to Princeton, which is sort of upper class, meaning right

1631
01:30:43.239 --> 01:30:46.680
<v Speaker 3>attached to it. Anyway, I ended up basically finding myself.

1632
01:30:47.720 --> 01:30:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I was a researcher who said, well, I'm coming to

1633
01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:52.680
<v Speaker 3>participate in good faith, but I found myself in the

1634
01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:55.520
<v Speaker 3>center of what. I didn't have the term struggle session.

1635
01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:58.279
<v Speaker 3>I only heard that much later when that began to

1636
01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:01.199
<v Speaker 3>happen in the summer of twenty twenty. And beyond those

1637
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:03.800
<v Speaker 3>sort of training sessions, well, a struggle session is when

1638
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:07.399
<v Speaker 3>everybody's they say, basically, you're going to sit here and

1639
01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:10.840
<v Speaker 3>shut up. You're not going to say a word, and everybody,

1640
01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:12.399
<v Speaker 3>for as long as they want it's going to go

1641
01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:17.760
<v Speaker 3>around the circle and tell tell you how you hurt them.

1642
01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:20.359
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, what I talk about in my book

1643
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:25.560
<v Speaker 3>is sitting there and letting that happen, and then suddenly

1644
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:27.520
<v Speaker 3>thinking back to my days as a street musician in

1645
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Harlem and the brotherhood i'd had with Sterling and his

1646
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:33.279
<v Speaker 3>wife and traveling on the road for eight years where

1647
01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:37.439
<v Speaker 3>you are a family, and I thought in Harlem, there's

1648
01:31:37.439 --> 01:31:39.800
<v Speaker 3>no way in the world anybody who would let themselves

1649
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.840
<v Speaker 3>be silenced. And I ended up getting angry, which I

1650
01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:45.239
<v Speaker 3>think is an instructive lesson. This is the beginning of

1651
01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.960
<v Speaker 3>the book. This is like the prologue, saying this way

1652
01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:53.479
<v Speaker 3>doesn't work when we're judging everybody that way, right, when

1653
01:31:53.479 --> 01:31:55.840
<v Speaker 3>we're not really interested in the gray areas, We're not

1654
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.359
<v Speaker 3>really interested in the subtleties. We're not trying to create brotherhood.

1655
01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:03.239
<v Speaker 3>We're not trying to create a community of like minded

1656
01:32:03.319 --> 01:32:06.359
<v Speaker 3>souls who are struggling to get better. We're struggling when

1657
01:32:06.359 --> 01:32:10.399
<v Speaker 3>we're doing something else. There's something very wrong and diseased.

1658
01:32:10.479 --> 01:32:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I had always thought to myself. I grew up in

1659
01:32:12.600 --> 01:32:16.359
<v Speaker 3>a progressive family. My dad was a delegate for McGovern

1660
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:19.479
<v Speaker 3>He worked for Bobby Kennedy in Oregon. You know that

1661
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:22.159
<v Speaker 3>I was that kind of guy. But I think this

1662
01:32:22.319 --> 01:32:26.000
<v Speaker 3>shocked me and I put it away. I got married

1663
01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:31.760
<v Speaker 3>to my beloved Sherry Black, Texan, had a son, did

1664
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:33.920
<v Speaker 3>my part to sort of make the world a better place.

1665
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:35.800
<v Speaker 3>I've never been an activist, but I you know, in

1666
01:32:35.840 --> 01:32:38.680
<v Speaker 3>my teaching. I try to teach the truths of black

1667
01:32:38.800 --> 01:32:42.399
<v Speaker 3>history when when they're irrelevant. Well, but I think in

1668
01:32:42.399 --> 01:32:44.520
<v Speaker 3>the summer of twenty twenty, I suddenly felt like something

1669
01:32:44.600 --> 01:32:46.800
<v Speaker 3>was really seriously off. And so I'm one of those

1670
01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:48.800
<v Speaker 3>you could call me the liberal who sort of moves

1671
01:32:48.840 --> 01:32:51.479
<v Speaker 3>a step to the towards the center when he realizes

1672
01:32:51.479 --> 01:32:53.399
<v Speaker 3>people are getting crazy on the right. Doesn't mean people

1673
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:56.039
<v Speaker 3>aren't can't be crazy on the sorry crazy on the left.

1674
01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:58.159
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't mean they can't be crazy on the far right.

1675
01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, they certainly are. I mean I know people on

1676
01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:04.079
<v Speaker 1>the right who are certainly crazy, and I have seen

1677
01:33:04.159 --> 01:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>demonstrations of people on the left or supposedly on the left,

1678
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:15.359
<v Speaker 1>being definitely insane, especially since January twentieth. So so what

1679
01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:18.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing here and what I'm gleaning from all of this, Adam,

1680
01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:25.199
<v Speaker 1>is that you can be a fan and a friend

1681
01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>of that brotherhood and show that and you are an activist.

1682
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:34.319
<v Speaker 1>You're an activist for good if you just embrace the

1683
01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:37.159
<v Speaker 1>fact that we're all human beings. We may come from

1684
01:33:37.199 --> 01:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>different places and look differently, but we all have the

1685
01:33:40.680 --> 01:33:44.279
<v Speaker 1>same basic wants and needs, and we need and we

1686
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.399
<v Speaker 1>need love, and we need belonging, and we need all

1687
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:51.079
<v Speaker 1>of those things. So if you practice that, whether you're

1688
01:33:51.199 --> 01:33:56.079
<v Speaker 1>vocal or not, you are in fact an activist, right yeah, And.

1689
01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:58.439
<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, so the word maybe I don't think

1690
01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.039
<v Speaker 3>of myself as an activist, but I it's a funny

1691
01:34:01.079 --> 01:34:03.399
<v Speaker 3>way you could say that I was living my anti racism.

1692
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:05.199
<v Speaker 3>That's a word again, but I don't. I don't like

1693
01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.439
<v Speaker 3>because of the way it's been sort of used and twisted.

1694
01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:11.479
<v Speaker 3>But I was sort of living that idea that we're

1695
01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:14.279
<v Speaker 3>just people and we're gonna we're projecting in the face

1696
01:34:14.319 --> 01:34:15.840
<v Speaker 3>of a world, by the way, that does have a

1697
01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:17.800
<v Speaker 3>lot of people at each other's throws, and sometimes the

1698
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:19.680
<v Speaker 3>race is a part of that. Race gets used. So

1699
01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:22.399
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of us in the middle somewhere. And

1700
01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.399
<v Speaker 3>one of the ways of thinking about my book is

1701
01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:28.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you the story about enormy interracial family and

1702
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:32.159
<v Speaker 3>contemporary Mississippi. Now, just to phrase it like that, you go,

1703
01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:34.840
<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, Mississippi isn't that didn't I just read

1704
01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:37.680
<v Speaker 3>write Thompson's book The Barn about Emmett tells Lynching, and

1705
01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:40.560
<v Speaker 3>I did, well, I did, And it's a great book,

1706
01:34:41.199 --> 01:34:43.319
<v Speaker 3>but it's only half a story. And if you only

1707
01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:48.880
<v Speaker 3>have Mississippi Burning and the movie Crossroads, which I've written

1708
01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:51.159
<v Speaker 3>about and talked about. It's a fun movie with Ralph

1709
01:34:51.159 --> 01:34:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Maccio and Seneca. But if you only have those things, well,

1710
01:34:55.960 --> 01:34:58.560
<v Speaker 3>here's the thing. Nobody ever writes the book that I've written.

1711
01:34:58.600 --> 01:35:01.800
<v Speaker 3>In other words, people is so interesting, Gary? Is that people?

1712
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.159
<v Speaker 3>One thing I discovered when I finished my book I

1713
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:07.479
<v Speaker 3>had I had taught a course here at Ole, miss

1714
01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:11.359
<v Speaker 3>on interracial family memoirs. I was interested in the idea.

1715
01:35:11.359 --> 01:35:13.159
<v Speaker 3>I hadn't even thought about writing my own book, but

1716
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I James McBride's The Color of Water, a black son's

1717
01:35:17.199 --> 01:35:19.159
<v Speaker 3>you know, homage to his white mother. There was this.

1718
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:21.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a whole tradition. It's interesting. There's quite

1719
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.199
<v Speaker 3>a few books out there. And I taught a course

1720
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:26.760
<v Speaker 3>on that none of the books were written by white men.

1721
01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:29.079
<v Speaker 3>And I thought that that's kind of strange. Maybe I

1722
01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:32.439
<v Speaker 3>just missed something. So I so, when once I finished

1723
01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:35.720
<v Speaker 3>my book, I went looking. I thought, surely in the

1724
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:39.640
<v Speaker 3>fifty seven years since Loving the Virginia right, And I

1725
01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:41.479
<v Speaker 3>mean i'd seen the movie Loving my Wife, and I

1726
01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.680
<v Speaker 3>went and saw it. Great to have that movie with

1727
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Richard loving and Mildred loving and a sort of an

1728
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:49.880
<v Speaker 3>interracial relationship that was that began basically or I was

1729
01:35:49.880 --> 01:35:52.640
<v Speaker 3>born nineteen fifty eight, but by nineteen sixty seven it

1730
01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:55.119
<v Speaker 3>was at the Supreme Court. What I discovered is that

1731
01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I could only find one other book in the category

1732
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:03.399
<v Speaker 3>of I guess the acronym is WM slash b W

1733
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.600
<v Speaker 3>white man, black woman. You heard these strange acronyms. I'll

1734
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:09.119
<v Speaker 3>tell you in a minute. Well, it turns out there's

1735
01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:10.600
<v Speaker 3>a whole tradition. By the way, if you were to

1736
01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:16.319
<v Speaker 3>google BWWM, what you'd find is there's a flourishing tradition

1737
01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:21.640
<v Speaker 3>of black women white man romances, all of them written

1738
01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:24.239
<v Speaker 3>by black women. It's interesting. So there's a whole market

1739
01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:26.439
<v Speaker 3>out there. But if you're talking about a book written

1740
01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:31.119
<v Speaker 3>by Richard Lovin to talk about his wife, Mildred and

1741
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:34.279
<v Speaker 3>their family, there's only one that I could find, and

1742
01:36:34.279 --> 01:36:37.439
<v Speaker 3>interestingly enough, it was by the former senator and defense

1743
01:36:38.159 --> 01:36:41.600
<v Speaker 3>the head of a defense department, William Cohen. Of all things,

1744
01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:43.359
<v Speaker 3>he had a book called Love in Black and White.

1745
01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:47.000
<v Speaker 3>He got married later in his life to a black

1746
01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:52.479
<v Speaker 3>news kind of news anchor, Janet Langhart, and a wonderful book,

1747
01:36:52.479 --> 01:36:53.199
<v Speaker 3>and I believe.

1748
01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:53.159
<v Speaker 1>It or not.

1749
01:36:53.439 --> 01:36:55.399
<v Speaker 3>I said, you know, I'm going to track him down

1750
01:36:55.439 --> 01:36:58.119
<v Speaker 3>and email him, and you never hear back from people.

1751
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:01.960
<v Speaker 3>By god, he gave me a GAMI and endorsement. It's

1752
01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.119
<v Speaker 3>just he was awfully nice. I think that that service

1753
01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:08.159
<v Speaker 3>thing really helps any case. So I'm one way to

1754
01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:10.199
<v Speaker 3>think about my book is I'm trying to just give

1755
01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:14.319
<v Speaker 3>you that story, which you never get coming out of Mississippi.

1756
01:37:14.359 --> 01:37:14.760
<v Speaker 4>You get.

1757
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:17.079
<v Speaker 3>If it's a race, story's going to be violence, that's

1758
01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:19.920
<v Speaker 3>going to be racism. It's going to be that stuff.

1759
01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:23.600
<v Speaker 3>And ours we have, I mean, you know, there's a

1760
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.800
<v Speaker 3>few small things, but we basically live a really happy life.

1761
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.680
<v Speaker 3>And one of the main focuses is on my son Sean,

1762
01:37:30.720 --> 01:37:33.800
<v Speaker 3>who's now a freshman at Ole miss He's a music

1763
01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:38.319
<v Speaker 3>performance major, and there's actually strong elements of comedy in

1764
01:37:38.359 --> 01:37:40.880
<v Speaker 3>the portrait that I offer of him, because he is

1765
01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:45.760
<v Speaker 3>a gifted, musically gifted kid. Not blues, he's not. He's

1766
01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.800
<v Speaker 3>uninterested in the harmonica, but he plays everything else. You know,

1767
01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:54.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm a I'm a harmonica players, but he plays horn.

1768
01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:57.319
<v Speaker 3>So he's now he's a trombone player and a euphonium

1769
01:37:57.319 --> 01:38:00.680
<v Speaker 3>player with perfect pitch. I mean the choir's two his voice,

1770
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:04.000
<v Speaker 3>it's quite crazy, and he plays John Phillips's And so

1771
01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:05.800
<v Speaker 3>one of the stories I tell, just one, remember that

1772
01:38:05.920 --> 01:38:10.159
<v Speaker 3>the whole period in twenty it's like twenty twenty, twenty nineteen,

1773
01:38:10.199 --> 01:38:13.039
<v Speaker 3>when they were tearing down monuments. I mean it got

1774
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:16.680
<v Speaker 3>to the point where right where, you know, and Abraham

1775
01:38:16.720 --> 01:38:19.960
<v Speaker 3>Lincoln is like the slave or the slave whatever, Abraham Lincoln,

1776
01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:22.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean, nobody survived. Right. So in Old miss we

1777
01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:27.119
<v Speaker 3>have in Oxford, we have two Confederate monuments, and the

1778
01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:30.920
<v Speaker 3>one that was on campus got moved to the Confederate

1779
01:38:31.479 --> 01:38:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Battlefield of Confederate what do you call it? Got moved

1780
01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:39.399
<v Speaker 3>to a place not in the main part of campus.

1781
01:38:39.399 --> 01:38:41.680
<v Speaker 3>And so that was fine, but there's one downtown. There's a

1782
01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:45.159
<v Speaker 3>conduct Confederate soldier. My son goes out to bust with

1783
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:47.560
<v Speaker 3>his trombone and he gets right in front of that

1784
01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:50.159
<v Speaker 3>statue and he plays. He calls me on his iPhone.

1785
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:52.079
<v Speaker 3>He's been out there for fifteen minutes, and he you know,

1786
01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:54.479
<v Speaker 3>he busts from time to time, but that summer when

1787
01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:56.800
<v Speaker 3>everybody's like they're marching around these things, he gets out

1788
01:38:56.880 --> 01:39:00.439
<v Speaker 3>nobody's marching that day, and he plays John Phillips, and

1789
01:39:00.479 --> 01:39:03.880
<v Speaker 3>he plays the Darth Vader Imperial March, and he plays

1790
01:39:04.760 --> 01:39:07.159
<v Speaker 3>the kinds of things people and the almost fight song.

1791
01:39:08.439 --> 01:39:11.159
<v Speaker 3>He calls me up, he goes dance. Somebody stopped their car,

1792
01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:13.720
<v Speaker 3>got out and gave me one hundred dollars bill. Huh,

1793
01:39:14.760 --> 01:39:16.640
<v Speaker 3>that's not a story that Faulkner's going to tell you

1794
01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:18.399
<v Speaker 3>about a mixed race. No.

1795
01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:21.439
<v Speaker 1>So I just want to get her. I want to

1796
01:39:21.479 --> 01:39:24.840
<v Speaker 1>get your opinions on this. Talking to Adam Gusso again,

1797
01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>the book is My Family and I a Mississippi memoir.

1798
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>This this thing that happened in the mid sixties where

1799
01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>it went from the message of Martin Luther King to

1800
01:39:34.159 --> 01:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>black power, and you had people who were they tried

1801
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:42.800
<v Speaker 1>to segregate the civil rights movement more or less is

1802
01:39:42.880 --> 01:39:46.039
<v Speaker 1>what they did actually. So it was a do you think,

1803
01:39:46.800 --> 01:39:48.760
<v Speaker 1>just your opinion, do you think this was a nefarious

1804
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:51.279
<v Speaker 1>attempt by Marxist who want to destroy our country?

1805
01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:52.520
<v Speaker 3>I do.

1806
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I I to make something to make something a race

1807
01:39:57.079 --> 01:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>war that's really about something else, to use RA as

1808
01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>a tool.

1809
01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:06.399
<v Speaker 3>They some of them were Marxists. They were thinking they

1810
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:10.239
<v Speaker 3>were framing what was happening in America, these the liberation

1811
01:40:10.359 --> 01:40:14.119
<v Speaker 3>movements in other countries and sort of African countries getting decolonized.

1812
01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.199
<v Speaker 3>I think, look what I do know, And if I'm

1813
01:40:18.239 --> 01:40:22.039
<v Speaker 3>reading the biography of John Lewis right now by Greenberg,

1814
01:40:23.159 --> 01:40:25.359
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that's interesting is that Fanny lou

1815
01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Hamer and John Lewis were very much and Bob Moses,

1816
01:40:31.960 --> 01:40:34.640
<v Speaker 3>all three of them were. They wanted to keep the

1817
01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:38.479
<v Speaker 3>interracialist element of the civil rights movement, but there was

1818
01:40:38.479 --> 01:40:41.000
<v Speaker 3>a lot of anger. Interestingly enough, the anger kind of

1819
01:40:41.039 --> 01:40:44.439
<v Speaker 3>burst to the surface, like right after the Voting Rights

1820
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Act of nineteen sixty five, when WATS goes up. So

1821
01:40:48.439 --> 01:40:51.039
<v Speaker 3>there's a way in which when you achieved some of

1822
01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.479
<v Speaker 3>the really significant victories of the civil rights movement, then

1823
01:40:56.960 --> 01:40:59.560
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of anger that hasn't been addressed at

1824
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:02.720
<v Speaker 3>There's still a lot of inequality at that point. But

1825
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:05.359
<v Speaker 3>what was clear was that there was a tension within

1826
01:41:05.520 --> 01:41:08.600
<v Speaker 3>the civil rights movement itself between those who wanted to

1827
01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:12.239
<v Speaker 3>keep things kind of transracial on those who wanted to

1828
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:17.239
<v Speaker 3>go another way. And I think historically, I mean, black

1829
01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:21.159
<v Speaker 3>power emerges in the summer of sixty six in Greenwood, Mississippi,

1830
01:41:21.159 --> 01:41:23.880
<v Speaker 3>when Stokely Carmichael is on a march there at the

1831
01:41:23.960 --> 01:41:27.279
<v Speaker 3>end by the Wayland. This should it's this march on

1832
01:41:27.439 --> 01:41:30.399
<v Speaker 3>fear and James Meredith, who does the wonderful thing at Ole,

1833
01:41:30.479 --> 01:41:33.600
<v Speaker 3>miss in retrospect in sixty two. He's doing another march

1834
01:41:33.640 --> 01:41:35.319
<v Speaker 3>in sixty six, and he gets shot down by a

1835
01:41:35.359 --> 01:41:38.399
<v Speaker 3>white guy with a rifle just as he enters Mississippi.

1836
01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:42.600
<v Speaker 3>So the march continues and King and Carmichael and lots

1837
01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:45.520
<v Speaker 3>of others come. It's an interesting, fascinating historical moment. But

1838
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>that's the moment in which Carmichael throws that phrase black power.

1839
01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:51.960
<v Speaker 3>We need black power, black power, black power, and it

1840
01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:56.720
<v Speaker 3>transfixes the national press, and it's sort of all over

1841
01:41:56.840 --> 01:42:00.199
<v Speaker 3>at that point for that transracial ideal. And I think

1842
01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:02.720
<v Speaker 3>one of my arguments is that we might want to

1843
01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:05.840
<v Speaker 3>go back and take a look and see if there's

1844
01:42:05.880 --> 01:42:08.439
<v Speaker 3>some important remnants there. And I do think that interracial

1845
01:42:08.520 --> 01:42:12.119
<v Speaker 3>families a contemporary America are one place where King's dream

1846
01:42:12.199 --> 01:42:13.920
<v Speaker 3>is being lived out. I know I'm not alone. I'm

1847
01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.039
<v Speaker 3>sure your audience there are people probably sitting by their

1848
01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:19.079
<v Speaker 3>radios right now going I've never heard anybody talk about

1849
01:42:19.119 --> 01:42:20.960
<v Speaker 3>interracial families. They should be doing that.

1850
01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, they are a reality, and I just I want

1851
01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:30.760
<v Speaker 1>to get to the point where we're not talking bw WM,

1852
01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>We're just talking about men and women. I agree, because

1853
01:42:35.800 --> 01:42:40.119
<v Speaker 1>that's all it is. I mean that the amount of

1854
01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:45.159
<v Speaker 1>melanin in your skin shouldn't matter to anybody, and it

1855
01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:46.319
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter to my son.

1856
01:42:46.399 --> 01:42:48.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is the funny thing. In fact, I'm

1857
01:42:48.560 --> 01:42:49.920
<v Speaker 3>going to tell you something that's not in the book.

1858
01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:52.479
<v Speaker 3>But there was only one time when I saw a

1859
01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:55.359
<v Speaker 3>shadow across my son's face. It's very interesting. My wife,

1860
01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:57.000
<v Speaker 3>by the ways, read the book and everything, and it

1861
01:42:57.159 --> 01:42:59.840
<v Speaker 3>is fine with her. My son, I thought, well, he

1862
01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.079
<v Speaker 3>probably ought to know there's a book in which he's

1863
01:43:02.159 --> 01:43:03.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of a character. And so at one point he

1864
01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:06.000
<v Speaker 3>I said, well take a look at this, you know,

1865
01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:08.359
<v Speaker 3>and he began to read and number one he said,

1866
01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:10.880
<v Speaker 3>well you really you captured people's voices. And then he

1867
01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:14.479
<v Speaker 3>got to the point where I'm talking about his application

1868
01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:17.159
<v Speaker 3>to the Interlock and Arts Academy. Basically, if you're a

1869
01:43:17.159 --> 01:43:19.079
<v Speaker 3>Mississippi band kid you want to break out into the

1870
01:43:19.119 --> 01:43:22.039
<v Speaker 3>big time, you could go to a couple of places,

1871
01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:24.560
<v Speaker 3>but Interlock, in which is in rural Michigan, just below

1872
01:43:24.640 --> 01:43:27.800
<v Speaker 3>Traverse City. That was like one of the places. And

1873
01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:30.399
<v Speaker 3>I knew that he had a shot because he was

1874
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<v Speaker 3>a he's a great player. But I did something that

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<v Speaker 3>I was embarrassed about ultimately, which is kind of I

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01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:40.560
<v Speaker 3>knew that a biracial kid from Mississippi was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be absolutely irresistible to the folks who were letting people

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<v Speaker 3>into this camp. It was a pretty progressive camp and

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01:43:48.359 --> 01:43:50.680
<v Speaker 3>a school, and I just knew they were going to

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01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:52.880
<v Speaker 3>jump jump on him. But I didn't. I shouldn't have

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01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:55.560
<v Speaker 3>used that, but I did, and he got in. He

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01:43:55.760 --> 01:43:58.560
<v Speaker 3>was third chair out of five in the euphonium, which

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01:43:58.640 --> 01:44:01.680
<v Speaker 3>is like his other instruments. I say, But when he

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<v Speaker 3>was reading it, he read it and he looked at me.

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01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:07.760
<v Speaker 3>His face dropped. He goes, I didn't did I did?

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<v Speaker 3>I just get in because I'm in Mississippi and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm biracial. And it was like I thought, oh crap,

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01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:18.760
<v Speaker 3>because I really had felt awkward in the aftermath. But

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<v Speaker 3>when he read it's the only time, which tells you something.

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<v Speaker 3>It tells you that young people today mix, call them

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01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:28.199
<v Speaker 3>mixed kids, call them whoever they are, but young I

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01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:30.840
<v Speaker 3>think young people don't want to feel. They want to

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<v Speaker 3>feel they've gotten there by virtue of their character, in

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01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:36.159
<v Speaker 3>his case, his musical character, and he was good enough.

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<v Speaker 3>And I so it's one of the moments in the

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<v Speaker 3>book where I kind of if I used the word

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<v Speaker 3>woke very often, it's just not a word I like

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<v Speaker 3>to use because it kind of reifies something that's a

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01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:48.279
<v Speaker 3>little more complicated. But it's a place where I I

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01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:52.359
<v Speaker 3>hewed to the to the woke script. I knew that

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<v Speaker 3>that would help him to tip in if you will,

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<v Speaker 3>and I and I felt bad at the bad and

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<v Speaker 3>at the aftermath of it, and now I I recognize.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam, Adam, I am sorry. We're we're out of time here.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't even get a chance to talk about h bomb.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe we'll schedule another interview so we can just

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<v Speaker 1>talk about your connections to Cincinnati. Adam Gusso, the author,

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<v Speaker 1>My Family and I a Mississippi memoir, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's must read for anybody who thinks that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're really that different and we're that far apart, because

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<v Speaker 1>there's no need to give.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really hope it does.

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<v Speaker 1>It should it should, It should give people Hope, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you Adam, Thank you Gary so much. We haven't quite

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<v Speaker 1>concluded our little lap yet. More of the Nightcap as

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<v Speaker 1>we wrap it up. Coming up after the next break

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<v Speaker 1>on seven hundred WLW. Tony Piker looking for a smart

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<v Speaker 1>way to upgrade your ride, your Special Forces green beret,

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Silver Corp USA, a private security firm specializing

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<v Speaker 1>in high risk operations. And we're going to be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about our relationship with South America here in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States and what has occurred, of course with President Trump

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<v Speaker 1>now being our president again, and you know, just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe liberating Latin America and Latin America is all

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of US assistants, especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>something as crucial as getting rid of Maduro in Venezuela,

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<v Speaker 1>the dictator there who has disrupted so much of not

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<v Speaker 1>only his country but the rest of the Americas with

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<v Speaker 1>the release of prisoners and the people fleeing Venezuela because

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to live under Communists or Marxist dictatorship,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all they seemingly not all, but a majority

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<v Speaker 1>of Latin and South American countries would like to see

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<v Speaker 1>Madua gone, and they would welcome the us help in

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<v Speaker 1>making that happen. And the guy who can tell me

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<v Speaker 1>one way or another if I'm on target with this

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<v Speaker 1>as our guest, Jordan Gudreau. How are you doing, Jordan?

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<v Speaker 4>Great?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you done doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic, sir, So. United States has been looked at as

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<v Speaker 1>a world leader and still as a world leader around

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<v Speaker 1>the globe, but especially on this side of the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>In Latin America, countries like Columbia, Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Chile,

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico want the US to actually use our military to

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<v Speaker 1>depose Maduro in Argentina. That's a majority of people in

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<v Speaker 1>all of those countries. What are the prospects of that

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<v Speaker 1>happening and what would it mean? Yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>really difficult.

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously, four years ago, there was a big push when

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<v Speaker 8>President Trump was in office. He wanted to do something

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01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:10.760
<v Speaker 8>decisive in Venezuela, and obviously people and you know, I

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<v Speaker 8>guess agencies CIA namely wanted a different method to try

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<v Speaker 8>to fix the Venezuela problem, and so there was a

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<v Speaker 8>lot of Because of that, nothing really came of the

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<v Speaker 8>Venezuela problem four years ago. Now when you fast forward,

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<v Speaker 8>by the administration really did nothing and so now President Trump,

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<v Speaker 8>he's kind of faced with a similar problem. However, what

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<v Speaker 8>has changed is the people around him. He now trusts

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<v Speaker 8>in the CIA. Obviously, when he was in office four

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<v Speaker 8>years ago, it was Gina Haspell. Now you've got people

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<v Speaker 8>he can trust. You've got Tulsea Gabbert coming in in

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<v Speaker 8>charge of the intelligence community, You've got you'll have individuals

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<v Speaker 8>in place in the State Department that will help President

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<v Speaker 8>Trump facilitate his strategic will in Venezuela. But I think

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<v Speaker 8>it's going to take time to figure out what that

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<v Speaker 8>is going to be, what it's going to look like.

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<v Speaker 8>Obviously President Trump doesn't have a lot of trust for

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of the individuals who I guess would be

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<v Speaker 8>labeled the Venezuelan opposition government, and so it's going to

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<v Speaker 8>take time to develop those connections and develop trust between

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<v Speaker 8>the Venezuelan opposition government and the Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a danger of just making things worse? Because

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<v Speaker 1>we're well aware that the CIA has used in their

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01:49:35.199 --> 01:49:42.600
<v Speaker 1>dark ups assassinations to overthrow governments and have worked covertly

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01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:47.680
<v Speaker 1>to overthrow foreign governments, And in many cases, we created

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01:49:47.760 --> 01:49:50.600
<v Speaker 1>more of a mess than we solved, And there's always

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<v Speaker 1>a danger of that isn't there.

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<v Speaker 8>There is, But you also have to realize the last

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<v Speaker 8>decade the CIA has really been ex accuting, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>their own foreign policy. They have had a strange autonomy

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<v Speaker 8>that is not normal. I guess I would say, when

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<v Speaker 8>when you have a sitting president, like obviously four years ago,

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<v Speaker 8>a sitting president who has who has a an intent

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<v Speaker 8>for a country and for a relationship with the country,

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<v Speaker 8>and the CIA essentially works against that president, that provides

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<v Speaker 8>an interesting set of problems.

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<v Speaker 4>So when we fast forward now.

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<v Speaker 8>We again we see that anything that the CIA, and

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<v Speaker 8>this is this would be what we would see now

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<v Speaker 8>is a CIA under the control of a new administration.

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<v Speaker 8>They would no longer have the autonomy that they had

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<v Speaker 8>back four years ago. They would be bending to the

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<v Speaker 8>will of the president's President Trump. So I think that

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<v Speaker 8>opens up a whole set of options that were available

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<v Speaker 8>four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think about the other many people will

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<v Speaker 1>say imperial kind of imperialist kind of bents that President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has displayed in some of his comments, say about

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<v Speaker 1>Greenland and about Canada, and just I know you were

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the Latin America situation in Venezuela in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>But Greenland is a very important strategic island. Sure, with

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01:51:26.279 --> 01:51:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Russia and China both trying to get not only the

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<v Speaker 1>resources that are the natural resources that are under Greenland,

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<v Speaker 1>but also from a strategic standpoint, Greenland is maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>most important apple of Trump's eye, isn't it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's a crucially important area of the globe.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 8>So let's go back to the Monroe doctrine. Essentially, just

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<v Speaker 8>a paraphrase, Monroe doctrine essentially said that we want to

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<v Speaker 8>have i know, foreign obviously no enemies uh in our hemisphere.

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<v Speaker 8>And so that applies to Greenland and South America. And

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<v Speaker 8>so we have largely adhere to this doctrine over the

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<v Speaker 8>you know, minus the last decade. For some reason, we

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<v Speaker 8>have been giving up ground to our enemies, obviously China, uh.

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<v Speaker 8>And you see that in Brazil, in Argentina. You see

2016
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<v Speaker 8>that in the economic wars and the economic control of

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01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:37.520
<v Speaker 8>countries like Canada, and so obviously Brazil is a member

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<v Speaker 8>of the Bricks Nations, Argentine has several you know, mining

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<v Speaker 8>contracts with China. Argentina is doing the same sort of business,

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<v Speaker 8>and so it's a real problem for the United States.

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<v Speaker 8>And so when when there's rhetoric that's that's talked about

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<v Speaker 8>on social media or the mainstream media that that basically, uh,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, antagonizes or is bad to Trump Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 8>because he's basically saying we need to control these areas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really wrong.

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<v Speaker 8>Essentially, at the national strategic President Trump's job is to

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<v Speaker 8>protect the United States and protect us from military threat

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<v Speaker 8>economic threats. The only way he can do that militarily

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<v Speaker 8>is to have that white space that adheres to the

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<v Speaker 8>Monroe doctrine. We need to control Greenland because it is

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<v Speaker 8>white space. White space is essentially it is area, a

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<v Speaker 8>geographic area where we can stage and we can be

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<v Speaker 8>sure that enemies are not staging military forces, same as

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<v Speaker 8>South America. I don't know if you caught it, but

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<v Speaker 8>two months ago there was you know, Russian subs in

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<v Speaker 8>the Caribbean Sea and they were getting refueled in Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 8>I think in Cuba, this constitutes white space for our enemies.

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<v Speaker 8>Is contrary to the Mouroe doctrine.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we need to pursue them Inroe doctrine. Again, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a good policy, just not because we want to

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<v Speaker 1>expand the country. We just want to keep ours safe

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<v Speaker 1>America first. Once again, Jordan goodru, thank you for your time,

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<v Speaker 1>and this bears some more conversation and maybe we can

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<v Speaker 1>have it a later date.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, thank you, sir, appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>It, Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>You bet.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll wrap up with the wild Man. Well, jolt of

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<v Speaker 1>the wild Man here on a Monday night seven under

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<v Speaker 1>WLW the Wildman, the aforementioned wild Man, who, yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>still owe him a dollar from the Super Bowl and

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01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:31.720
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna get his dollar. Maybe I'd try to talk

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<v Speaker 1>him into coming to the after the show show anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>party on March fifteenth, but we well, we'll work that out.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'd like to make a special presentation of the

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<v Speaker 1>dollar that I owe wild Man for my chiefs losing

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl. There are some other big sporting events

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<v Speaker 1>that have been going on this week and have gone

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<v Speaker 1>on this week that we wanted to cover tonight. Wildman. First,

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<v Speaker 1>in the four nation hockey playoff tournament that's been going

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<v Speaker 1>on between US, Canada and Finland and who else Russia

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<v Speaker 1>or Sweden, Sweden?

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<v Speaker 3>Sweden?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so uh, the US hockey team was booed in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>What the hell is going on there?

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<v Speaker 4>Well you tell me, we'll both know.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, the PA announcer said, you know, please be

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<v Speaker 9>respectful before.

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<v Speaker 1>They even started the national athemm.

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<v Speaker 9>As soon as the guy started singing our national athm,

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<v Speaker 9>the fans started booing keep politics out of sports. I

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<v Speaker 9>don't care if you don't agree with what's going on

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<v Speaker 9>in Washington, d C. With these Canucks, but you don't boo.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't boo.

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<v Speaker 1>They boo the whole time the guy was singing. So

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<v Speaker 1>we know what that did though for t wus say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll stick.

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<v Speaker 4>It to you.

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<v Speaker 9>We'll have three fights in the first nine seconds and

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<v Speaker 9>kick your ass and they'll go out there and kick

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<v Speaker 9>your ass and beat you in Canada.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, uh, I think it's a little it's it's especially

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<v Speaker 1>disrespectful considering they're gonna be our fifty first state soon.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're gonna they're gonna feel you know, they're

2085
01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.840
<v Speaker 1>gonna have egg on their their faces when the moose

2086
01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:15.199
<v Speaker 1>gets loose and Donald Trump decides to go ahead and

2087
01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:18.199
<v Speaker 1>pull the trigger there and make Canada our fifty first state.

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01:56:18.560 --> 01:56:21.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that we want people like that. We've

2089
01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:24.520
<v Speaker 1>already got enough problems in this country without recruiting these

2090
01:56:25.039 --> 01:56:27.720
<v Speaker 1>these angry, disrespectful Canucks, don't.

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01:56:27.520 --> 01:56:30.720
<v Speaker 3>We You got that right?

2092
01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:32.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just I was.

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01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:34.159
<v Speaker 9>I was so mad when I heard him boring, and

2094
01:56:34.279 --> 01:56:36.560
<v Speaker 9>you know, I thought, come on, people, I mean, just

2095
01:56:37.760 --> 01:56:40.840
<v Speaker 9>like I said, keep politics out of sports. You know,

2096
01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:43.439
<v Speaker 9>it's just it's just there's no there's no need for

2097
01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:47.399
<v Speaker 9>just that's just classless. It's just totally classless. And I

2098
01:56:47.520 --> 01:56:50.159
<v Speaker 9>was so glad that the uh, the Team USA, you know,

2099
01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:52.319
<v Speaker 9>whipped their ass. They really did whip their ass on

2100
01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:55.079
<v Speaker 9>the ice on both ends, fighting and playing hockey.

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01:56:55.439 --> 01:56:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, now Canada are aren't Aren't they gonna play again?

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01:57:00.079 --> 01:57:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Wild man?

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01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Yes?

2104
01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:05.520
<v Speaker 1>They played that well, they played. They played early this afternoon.

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01:57:05.840 --> 01:57:09.520
<v Speaker 9>Okay, so there, so there's a chance we could meet

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01:57:09.560 --> 01:57:12.039
<v Speaker 9>again on Thursday.

2107
01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:12.760
<v Speaker 4>For the title.

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01:57:13.119 --> 01:57:15.479
<v Speaker 1>All right, all right? And the games are going on

2109
01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:18.640
<v Speaker 1>in both Canada and the United States. When they're a

2110
01:57:18.680 --> 01:57:21.079
<v Speaker 1>game in Boston today, is that right?

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01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:24.279
<v Speaker 9>Uh, there's a game, and there's a game going on.

2112
01:57:24.600 --> 01:57:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not going to tell you to score.

2113
01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:30.680
<v Speaker 9>There's a game going on in Boston, Team USA and Sweden.

2114
01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:36.720
<v Speaker 1>All right, right now, okay, so what what about the

2115
01:57:36.880 --> 01:57:39.960
<v Speaker 1>NBA All Star Game? I'm never I've never been a

2116
01:57:40.079 --> 01:57:45.119
<v Speaker 1>fan of all Star games. Baseball. Yes, that's about the

2117
01:57:45.399 --> 01:57:48.920
<v Speaker 1>only major sport all Star game that I actually enjoy

2118
01:57:49.079 --> 01:57:52.399
<v Speaker 1>watching from time to time because you get to see

2119
01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:56.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of players and a lot of pitchers, and

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01:57:56.680 --> 01:58:00.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a definite strategy, and there is something at stake

2121
01:58:01.640 --> 01:58:04.079
<v Speaker 1>for the winning league, or there used to be. And

2122
01:58:05.239 --> 01:58:08.159
<v Speaker 1>one of the worst things that ever happened at All

2123
01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Star games was the year the Bud Sea League declared

2124
01:58:10.840 --> 01:58:13.399
<v Speaker 1>that there would be a tie that was the most

2125
01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>dissatisfying and I mean a disservice to the All Star

2126
01:58:19.079 --> 01:58:22.239
<v Speaker 1>Game in Major League Baseball. I like Major League Baseball

2127
01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:26.279
<v Speaker 1>All Star games. I've not watched an NBA All Star Game.

2128
01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Of course, this four team tournament we were just talking

2129
01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:31.359
<v Speaker 1>about is taking the place of the NHL All Star

2130
01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Game this year. And you know, the Pro bowls just

2131
01:58:35.199 --> 01:58:38.600
<v Speaker 1>a joke. But do you agree with me that MLB's

2132
01:58:38.640 --> 01:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>All Star Game is by far the best of any

2133
01:58:41.039 --> 01:58:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of the major sports.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh, it's still the best. Yeah, it's still the best.

2135
01:58:44.920 --> 01:58:47.079
<v Speaker 9>When the Sea League did that time, he declared it

2136
01:58:47.159 --> 01:58:49.680
<v Speaker 9>a tie at the All Star Game in Milwaukee, me

2137
01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:52.279
<v Speaker 9>and my son were there. My son was only like twelve,

2138
01:58:52.279 --> 01:58:56.039
<v Speaker 9>eleven years old. Remember the comment, now I've seen everything, Dad.

2139
01:58:56.159 --> 01:58:57.199
<v Speaker 1>From eleven year old.

2140
01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.399
<v Speaker 9>Well, from a tie game, and then they decided to

2141
01:59:01.760 --> 01:59:03.560
<v Speaker 9>make it if he won the game, it would be

2142
01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:06.479
<v Speaker 9>home field advantage. And then that that didn't go over either.

2143
01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:08.479
<v Speaker 9>So now it's just, you know, it's it's just the

2144
01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:10.880
<v Speaker 9>All Star Game and you get to see, you know,

2145
01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:12.079
<v Speaker 9>the best players.

2146
01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:14.880
<v Speaker 1>But the NBA All Star Game, Gary Jeff, back in

2147
01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:15.560
<v Speaker 1>the day.

2148
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:17.079
<v Speaker 9>I don't want to sound like a little you know,

2149
01:59:17.239 --> 01:59:19.880
<v Speaker 9>back in the day it was worth watching, it really was.

2150
01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:22.640
<v Speaker 9>But now with a three point shot and the guys

2151
01:59:22.760 --> 01:59:24.840
<v Speaker 9>just fired at three pointers and some don't even want

2152
01:59:24.880 --> 01:59:27.479
<v Speaker 9>to be there. And then they changed the format, which

2153
01:59:27.520 --> 01:59:30.159
<v Speaker 9>I didn't understand at all. And then the last night

2154
01:59:30.319 --> 01:59:31.319
<v Speaker 9>was just it was the.

2155
01:59:31.359 --> 01:59:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Lowest of the low.

2156
01:59:32.319 --> 01:59:35.960
<v Speaker 9>They had comic Kevin Hart out there for I don't

2157
01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:37.960
<v Speaker 9>know what is from what his deal was, but that

2158
01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:41.000
<v Speaker 9>guy is not funny anymore, and he just looked out

2159
01:59:41.039 --> 01:59:42.800
<v Speaker 9>of place, and like a lot of the players looked

2160
01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:44.720
<v Speaker 9>like they were like, what is going on here?

2161
01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.880
<v Speaker 1>You making these wise cracks And it was just dumb.

2162
01:59:48.000 --> 01:59:48.840
<v Speaker 4>It was just dumb.

2163
01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:52.319
<v Speaker 1>What role did Kevin Hard play in the NBA All

2164
01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Star game. I thought this was for NBA players.

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01:59:56.039 --> 01:59:58.039
<v Speaker 9>He was just like like a like the like an

2166
01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:01.800
<v Speaker 9>assistant MC announcer, and he was, you know, making comments

2167
02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:03.960
<v Speaker 9>during the game and before the game, and it was

2168
02:00:04.039 --> 02:00:05.039
<v Speaker 9>just it was just bad.

2169
02:00:05.199 --> 02:00:05.439
<v Speaker 3>I mean.

2170
02:00:05.680 --> 02:00:09.520
<v Speaker 4>And then you know Lebron James, you know, I mean, the.

2171
02:00:09.560 --> 02:00:12.279
<v Speaker 9>Guys, the guy is great, but he didn't play, and

2172
02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:15.000
<v Speaker 9>he didn't let anybody know until the last minute. Well,

2173
02:00:15.079 --> 02:00:17.119
<v Speaker 9>you know that that's kind of being selfish in a

2174
02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.079
<v Speaker 9>way because another guy could have played. So you know,

2175
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:22.239
<v Speaker 9>he came out and walked out on the pub. I'm

2176
02:00:22.279 --> 02:00:24.279
<v Speaker 9>going to walked out on the deck there and waved

2177
02:00:24.359 --> 02:00:25.680
<v Speaker 9>to the crowd. But he didn't even play.

2178
02:00:25.920 --> 02:00:28.279
<v Speaker 1>The biggest star in the league and he doesn't play.

2179
02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:30.520
<v Speaker 9>And I understand that he's got an injury, but most

2180
02:00:30.560 --> 02:00:32.880
<v Speaker 9>of these guys don't want to play Garrit Jeff because

2181
02:00:32.880 --> 02:00:35.079
<v Speaker 9>their friend are gonna get hurt. I completed I to

2182
02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:38.880
<v Speaker 9>a three point shooting contest. Luckily, Steph Curry probably saved

2183
02:00:38.920 --> 02:00:41.279
<v Speaker 9>the day with the way the way he was banging

2184
02:00:41.359 --> 02:00:43.800
<v Speaker 9>down three pointers. I mean, that guy is unbelievable. I mean,

2185
02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:46.319
<v Speaker 9>there are no more works for a guy that can

2186
02:00:46.359 --> 02:00:47.640
<v Speaker 9>shoot three pointers like him.

2187
02:00:47.920 --> 02:00:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, so what was you remember the final

2188
02:00:50.199 --> 02:00:52.600
<v Speaker 1>score because it's always like one hundred and sixty to

2189
02:00:52.680 --> 02:00:55.399
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty or whatever. No, it wasn't like

2190
02:00:55.520 --> 02:00:57.079
<v Speaker 1>now they only played to like forty.

2191
02:00:57.119 --> 02:00:58.960
<v Speaker 9>I think it was like the first team to win

2192
02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:01.560
<v Speaker 9>for you get the four because they played like three

2193
02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:04.920
<v Speaker 9>different cut of three different rounds, team Team Shack and

2194
02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:05.600
<v Speaker 9>Team Charles.

2195
02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:06.439
<v Speaker 1>It was just dumb.

2196
02:01:07.199 --> 02:01:07.439
<v Speaker 3>You know what.

2197
02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:09.920
<v Speaker 1>The highlight of the no no, hold on, hold on,

2198
02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:13.039
<v Speaker 1>hold on. It wasn't like the Eastern Conference versus the

2199
02:01:13.119 --> 02:01:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Western cons Oh, I didn't know that. That's how out

2200
02:01:17.600 --> 02:01:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of touch I am with the NBA. Old, you're not

2201
02:01:20.439 --> 02:01:22.319
<v Speaker 1>missing that, You're not missing nothing.

2202
02:01:23.079 --> 02:01:25.279
<v Speaker 9>Just the highlight though, was they picked they picked out

2203
02:01:25.319 --> 02:01:28.199
<v Speaker 9>a fan with the stands to participate in a in

2204
02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:31.720
<v Speaker 9>a half court a contest with I can't remember the

2205
02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:34.640
<v Speaker 9>player's name, but they were throwing half court shots. He

2206
02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:37.359
<v Speaker 9>made the let just as time went out. This kid

2207
02:01:37.880 --> 02:01:38.479
<v Speaker 9>made the shot.

2208
02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Were one hundred thousand dollars. Oh that's great.

2209
02:01:41.039 --> 02:01:42.359
<v Speaker 4>That that Oh it was great.

2210
02:01:42.399 --> 02:01:43.840
<v Speaker 3>And Shaq was there.

2211
02:01:44.199 --> 02:01:44.720
<v Speaker 5>Shaq was there.

2212
02:01:44.800 --> 02:01:46.319
<v Speaker 1>They were all just jumping up and down of his

2213
02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:49.520
<v Speaker 1>crazy I can watch that on YouTube without wasting any

2214
02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:52.000
<v Speaker 1>time watching the rest of that garbage. Wild Man, listen,

2215
02:01:52.079 --> 02:01:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I got to run, brother, but thank you so much.

2216
02:01:53.960 --> 02:01:56.840
<v Speaker 1>And your dollar is coming better?

2217
02:01:56.920 --> 02:01:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Are you better? I don't know.

2218
02:01:57.840 --> 02:01:59.800
<v Speaker 9>I got maybe, he said Moosa Roco to get it.

2219
02:02:00.560 --> 02:02:03.359
<v Speaker 1>I gotta frame it for you because you're not going

2220
02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:06.039
<v Speaker 1>to spend this dollar. It's it's a special.

2221
02:02:07.279 --> 02:02:08.800
<v Speaker 3>I got a perfect place to hang.

2222
02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Not every not everybody wins a bet with Gary Jeff Walker,

2223
02:02:12.640 --> 02:02:15.359
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, wild Man. With that, we conclude the nightcap

2224
02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:18.680
<v Speaker 1>with the playing of our national anthem to honor America.

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02:02:19.199 --> 02:02:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Canadians shut Up.