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<v Speaker 1>With Dan Ray on WBZ Constance Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, welcome back everybody, as we move into the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock hour, The Boston Globe had a really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>story above the fold today. It's entitled one Immigration Case,

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<v Speaker 2>Two Diverging Views, and it's by Sean Carter, who's a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter for the Globe, really good reporter from what I

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<v Speaker 2>can say, and he talks about an individual named Maynor

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco Hernandez Roodas who has been charged with the rape

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<v Speaker 2>of a child and faces a lengthy prison sentence in

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<v Speaker 2>a Massachusetts prison, possibly for life if convicted. Now again,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's a Guatemalan, he's here illegally, and he faces deportation.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, according to the Globe story, there's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a tug of war between local and federal officials.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this plays out against a lot of the comments

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<v Speaker 2>that President Trump's borders are Tom Homan has made. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a piece that I believe will be in the Globe

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow that fact checks some of Homan's comments. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the problem that I think the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>administration deals with, in my opinion, is that they sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>shoot from the hip or shoot from the lip, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is better, in my opinion, to stay with facts.

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<v Speaker 2>And in many cases the facts are good for your

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<v Speaker 2>position or the other side, doesn't matter, but stick with

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<v Speaker 2>the facts. And the case that I want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>which is in the Globe, deals with a guy, and

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<v Speaker 2>so the question comes up. The Trump administration apparently would

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<v Speaker 2>like to deport this guy because he's in the country illegally. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now you might agree or you might disagree with that,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's their position. But this guy has quite a

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<v Speaker 2>long record and he's accused again. According to Sean Carter

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<v Speaker 2>and John Ellman, who's another good reporter who contributed to this,

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<v Speaker 2>this fellow last name Hernandoz Hernandez Rhodas, was initially held

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<v Speaker 2>in Middlesex County after his first arrest in June, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was released in September after posting one thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>cash bail. He's accused by both Middlesex and Suffolk County

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<v Speaker 2>of raping the young daughter as early as five years old.

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<v Speaker 2>This again an accusation, but pretty serious, of raping this

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<v Speaker 2>girl multiple times since twenty eighteen, allegedly at multiple locations,

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<v Speaker 2>including the mother's home in Chelsea and at his apartment

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<v Speaker 2>in Lowell. Now, after his indictment in Suffolk County in

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<v Speaker 2>December on multiple charges of child rape, ICE transferred him

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<v Speaker 2>to state custody. There, prosecute is persuaded a judge this

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<v Speaker 2>at a high enough bail a million dollars, that he

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<v Speaker 2>so far remains in custody. But ironically, prosecutor is again

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading from the globe, so you understand the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecute has justified the high bail amount, not so much

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<v Speaker 2>in the grounds of Hernandez Rojas is the danger of

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<v Speaker 2>the community. How the hell is somebody who's charged with

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<v Speaker 2>multiple rapes of a child up from the age of

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<v Speaker 2>five not considered a danger of the community. But the

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<v Speaker 2>high bail was set because he would be at risk

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<v Speaker 2>of being removed by Ice. Now it gets a little

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<v Speaker 2>more complicated because we have this court decision here in

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts in two thy seventeen, the so called lun decision,

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<v Speaker 2>And in that decision, the Massachusetts State Supreme Court in

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<v Speaker 2>an unsigned opinion. So therefore we don't know which judges

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<v Speaker 2>supported it. I guess as an unsigned opinion you might

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<v Speaker 2>have to have concluded that it was the unanimous opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>But I can't be sure. This really was no dissent written.

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<v Speaker 2>This is called the lun decision LU, and these decisions

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<v Speaker 2>tend to wrap their way work their way through federal

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<v Speaker 2>courts over a long period of time. Without getting into

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<v Speaker 2>it in great detail. Part of the argument by Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>officials in not turning individuals once in custody, Ice puts

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<v Speaker 2>a detainer on them, and Ice finds out that some

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<v Speaker 2>department or some DA's office has someone, and Ice says, look,

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<v Speaker 2>can you hold them for twenty four hours or forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours because we're kind of busy. We've got to

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<v Speaker 2>get up there and get them. And the Massachusetts agency

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes or more often than not, releases those individuals. So

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<v Speaker 2>the system is so messed up in my opinion and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in some of yours, that I hope that the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration is able through all these court cases to

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<v Speaker 2>determine we are the United States of America. And the

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona case back from twenty ten essentially said that the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government basically has control of immigration law. And it

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<v Speaker 2>gets confusing because you have sanctuary cities and trust cities

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<v Speaker 2>and welcoming cities, and then you have states that have

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<v Speaker 2>different programs. So normally you have on a federal issue,

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<v Speaker 2>which is immigration. I mean basically the United States. The

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona versus US the case I'm talking about where Governor

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<v Speaker 2>Brewer in Arizona in the earlier years of this century

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<v Speaker 2>tried to increase the enforcement with state law officers or

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<v Speaker 2>city law offices in Arizona, and the US Supreme Court said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>federal law is federal law, so you cannot impose stronger

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<v Speaker 2>federal law that exists. At the same time, it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to me the corollary should be that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>comply with federal law. If Arizona is prevented from imposing

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<v Speaker 2>stronger federal law, it would seem to me that the

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<v Speaker 2>federal judges would recognize that Arizona decision, which which was

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<v Speaker 2>fought successfully by the Obama administration in twenty ten, and say, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have one set of We do not

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<v Speaker 2>have fifty states with fifty laws, just as we do

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<v Speaker 2>not have fifty states with laws that deal with public

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<v Speaker 2>accommodations or gay marriage. We are the United as President

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<v Speaker 2>of Boys say, we are the United States of America,

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<v Speaker 2>not the Blue States of America or the Red States

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<v Speaker 2>of America. So I propose something pretty simple and that

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<v Speaker 2>if someone has picked up here illegally and they've come

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<v Speaker 2>into the country illegally, deport them. Okay. Now, if they

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<v Speaker 2>want to make an argument that no, they they can

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<v Speaker 2>prove that they did not come in illegally, they have

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<v Speaker 2>a right to do process. But if they are adjudicated

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<v Speaker 2>as having come into the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Illegally, deported, if they commit a violent crime while here

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<v Speaker 3>in America, give them due process, give them a trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Give this guy who's accused of raping a five year

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<v Speaker 2>old I think between the ages of five and ten

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times, give him due process and sentence him to

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<v Speaker 2>the longest sentence you can legitimately give him, and once

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<v Speaker 2>he serves his sentence, to port him. It's as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as that. Allow the States to treat him like any

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<v Speaker 2>other citizen. Now, you can't deport citizens, but put him,

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<v Speaker 2>let him pay for his crime or she, whoever that

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<v Speaker 2>would be, and to port them after they finished serving

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<v Speaker 2>the sentence. I don't understand why it gets why it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be any more complicated than that. So I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to know if you agree with me or if

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<v Speaker 2>you disagree. I just think it's it's simple. It's straightforward.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all you have to do. You commit a violent crime,

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<v Speaker 2>serious crime, you commit whatever, I don't even know what's

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<v Speaker 2>consider a non serious crime. You know, breaking into Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Mahomes's home and stealing his materials, that's breaking and entering, robbery, theft.

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<v Speaker 2>UH do the time, and then you deport them, simple

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<v Speaker 2>as that. I'd love to. It just seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>that the politicians on both sides of the isle make

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<v Speaker 2>it more complicated, unnecessarily complicated. Six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the two numbers that'll get you on. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this for a little while. Six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Way live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>to night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>So against the backdrop of the drama that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to I guess play out uh in the next few weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>The Mayor of Boston has been summoned to appear in

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<v Speaker 2>front of Congress in March. I'm not exactly sure. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have in front of me the date. Originally she

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be appearing there some time in February,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's been pushed back in the meantime. Over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>at a conference in Washington, the new Homeland Secretary Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Homan basically went after the political leadership here in Boston

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<v Speaker 2>and focused his wrath on the Boston Police Commissioner, Michael Cox.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut number one. Please, Mike, if you could

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<v Speaker 2>play cut number one on that audio cutsheet that we

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<v Speaker 2>were just talking about. I wrote a story.

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<v Speaker 4>Last night the police commissioner of Boston. You said you're

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<v Speaker 4>doubled down on not helping law enforcement offers device. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>coming to Boston. I'm bringing hell with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Homan went on. He was speaking at a conference of

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<v Speaker 2>conservative political activists, and he made some specific allegations which

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<v Speaker 2>would probably most charitably described as being somewhat unclear, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even sloppy. And this is again, he's mixing Boston with

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<v Speaker 2>Massachusetts a little bit. This has cut one a, please, Michael,

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<v Speaker 2>cut one A.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked at the numbers this morning. I counted I

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<v Speaker 4>stopped counting at nine nine nine child rapists that were

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<v Speaker 4>in jail in Massachusetts, but rather than honoring an icytainer,

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<v Speaker 4>released them back into the street. You're not a police commissioner,

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<v Speaker 4>take that badge off your chest, put in the desk drawer.

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<v Speaker 4>Because you became a politician.

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<v Speaker 2>You forgot lost like to be a cop. Now. The

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<v Speaker 2>police commissioner in Boston, Michael Cox, was on one of

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday morning talk shows on Channel five This this Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>and he reacted to that, Mike, this is the fourth

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<v Speaker 2>cut down on the list. It's it's it's numbered cut two.

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<v Speaker 2>A please play cut too A for me, Mike.

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<v Speaker 5>In the Boston Police Department has pretty defined rules set

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<v Speaker 5>by the law, and we we abide by the law

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<v Speaker 5>here in the state and we don't, you know, enforce

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<v Speaker 5>civil detainers regarding federal immigration law. It's you know, it's

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<v Speaker 5>defined here in the state and that's just how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>So so it's it's an interesting situation we find ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>here in this country. We have a federal government, but

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<v Speaker 2>we have a number of states who are not complying

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<v Speaker 2>me that there is this becomes sort of a federal

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<v Speaker 2>states rights argument, and normally the political parties are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of switched on this position. And if you go back

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<v Speaker 2>and look at the Arizona versus US case back in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. Essentially, the court said, Hey, this area of

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<v Speaker 2>immigration law is the federal purview, period. So let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get some callers going here. We're going to start

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<v Speaker 2>it off before we go to the break. Bosco from Boston. Bosco,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome your first this hour a nightside, go right ahead, Bosco.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, damn, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing great, sir. What's your take on all of this?

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<v Speaker 2>It can get a little confusing.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, it's very concuious.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I heard you, and then I agree with

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<v Speaker 6>you with most everything you said except to one. Okay, Uh,

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<v Speaker 6>you said exactly correctly, Like if somebody else come here

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<v Speaker 6>legal like I'm an immigrant, I'm from Brazil, and if

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<v Speaker 6>they become illegal, uh, doesn't matter, like they commit a crime, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>bring them to the court, put them in a jail,

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<v Speaker 6>but I don't hold them here because this does not

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<v Speaker 6>belong to the United States of America. They should not

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<v Speaker 6>pay for the time they serve in jail here, because

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<v Speaker 6>it's are extensive. I believe they should have agreement with

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<v Speaker 6>the Brazilian like Brazilian system like correction system and send

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<v Speaker 6>them back to the counter over there to serve there

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<v Speaker 6>to because they belong to their Even if they committed

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<v Speaker 6>a crime here, they came here illegal. They came here

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<v Speaker 6>to escape from, probably from something else they did wrong

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<v Speaker 6>in the country. I was Jon, and I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in some cases. Here's my question though, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>really good point that you make. But the question is

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to send someone here who kits who commits

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<v Speaker 2>the crime. When the crime is committed here, it's unlike

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<v Speaker 2>a civil case, it's the people of Massachusetts versus the defendant,

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<v Speaker 2>because even though the defendant raped a five year old

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<v Speaker 2>the people, so that the district attorney is the people's

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<v Speaker 2>representative in court. It's the people versus this individual, even

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<v Speaker 2>though the crime went against one particular child, or or

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<v Speaker 2>went against one particular store owner or one bank whatever. So, now,

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<v Speaker 2>do you trust these other countries if you deport that individual,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's say they have a ten year sentence, do

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<v Speaker 6>No, No, I agree with you about exactly what I

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<v Speaker 6>was trying to say is exactly like that. It's hard

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<v Speaker 6>with with another country, like a very good diplomatic like agreements,

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<v Speaker 6>and the United States of America can reinforce that one.

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<v Speaker 6>They can reforce the other country to comply.

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<v Speaker 7>With that one.

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<v Speaker 6>It's pretty simple because they have a promacy and if

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<v Speaker 6>serve in the jail. If they don't like, say the

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<v Speaker 6>they should have like a diplomacy to verify that one.

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<v Speaker 6>But they should they should pay the they crime back

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<v Speaker 6>and accountable over there, because I don't think they come

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<v Speaker 2>I just am concerned that they would be deported with

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<v Speaker 2>the intention of the crime being served. But then two

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<v Speaker 2>years down the line, the government of this country changes.

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<v Speaker 2>As it can happen it can happen in our country

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and that the new government says, oh, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to release those guys because it wasn't a crime

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<v Speaker 2>that was committed against someone who was in our country.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not trying to throw any country under the

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<v Speaker 2>bus here, Bosco, Okay, I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that that the punishment that that is imposed actually is served.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for getting us going. You said that you came

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<v Speaker 2>here legally correct.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, it didn't came illegally. But I came here

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<v Speaker 6>at the immigrant and and I I decided to live

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<v Speaker 6>here and in I'm I became an America student. Great,

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<v Speaker 6>uh back on the two thousand and seven. And what

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<v Speaker 6>happened is yeah exactly. And then what happened is I

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<v Speaker 6>say police in Brazil for about several years, and I learned, uh,

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<v Speaker 6>no matter how the premin now uh like comes to

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<v Speaker 6>different countries, they are the same. They don't change. They

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<v Speaker 6>don't come here to change, They don't come here to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we've seen all of that. FOSCO. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>congratulations for becoming a US citizen. We are fortunate to

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<v Speaker 2>have you as a US citizen. And I hope you'll

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<v Speaker 2>commind you to listen to my program. And is this

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<v Speaker 2>your first time callway, No.

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<v Speaker 6>No, it's the first time. I talked to you. Several times.

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<v Speaker 6>But because I'm driving right now, sometimes it's hard to

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<v Speaker 6>drive and the and the and the speak and then.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>You did a great job. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>my program, and thank you for becoming a US citizen.

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<v Speaker 2>You are You're an attribute to this country and I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Will You're a great man. You're a great man. I

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<v Speaker 6>like I like to hear your voice every night. You

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<v Speaker 6>always defending the good people, the good the good way.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, Bosco, we'll talk again, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>be well, be well, Thanks very much. Good night. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so we got a news break coming up. We're a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit late, but I wanted to take Bosco, so

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<v Speaker 2>I got room for you. Six one seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>Bosco was on the side of you'll prosecute him here,

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<v Speaker 2>impose a penalty, and send him home to serve the penalty. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know you heard what my position was. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>love to know what you think. This is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a dilemma. People are here, they commit serious crimes. We're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about jaywalking. We're talking about, in this particular instance,

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<v Speaker 2>rape of a five year old girl on several occasions.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to see the guy do at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years maybe more. Six one seven two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we're talking about that. You're gonna hear a

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<v Speaker 2>lot about this in the last in the next few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks and months, and that is, how do we come

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<v Speaker 2>up with an immigration policy that conserve the entire country.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to be fair, but we also want to

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<v Speaker 2>protect borders. Now, if you're somebody who's an open border

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<v Speaker 2>person and want to tell me why it's great to

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<v Speaker 2>have open borders, then that's fine. But remember, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have open borders, you don't have a country. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's as simple as that. Every legitimate country in the

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<v Speaker 2>world has borders, and those borders are enforceable. However, we

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<v Speaker 2>have within Massachusetts and within a lot of other states,

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<v Speaker 2>we have constituencies and sometimes they vote and elect city

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<v Speaker 2>councilors and mayors and all of that, and they want

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<v Speaker 2>to treat everybody here the same. Now, it does matter

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<v Speaker 2>to me whether you're here legally or illegally. Does matter

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<v Speaker 2>to me if you're fortunate to be a citizen and

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<v Speaker 2>be born here, which I was, and perhaps you were. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you, lucky stars. It's as simple as that. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to have more people come like Bosco, my last

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<v Speaker 2>caller to come here legally. The question, though, is if

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<v Speaker 2>someone has committed a serious crime, and if you read

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<v Speaker 2>the Globe article today, this was a serious crime. This

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<v Speaker 2>individual lived for years in Connecticut, had several children down there,

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<v Speaker 2>and had low level convictions of disturbing the peace. At

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<v Speaker 2>some point he moved to Massachusetts and in two separate cases,

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<v Speaker 2>was charged with attempted rape in twenty nineteen and in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two with attacking a woman he was dating. Both

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<v Speaker 2>of those cases were dismissed, no clarification why they were dismissed.

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<v Speaker 2>While Hernandez Rhodas dated the girl's mother for a short time,

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<v Speaker 2>they remained in contact, and in May of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>the girl, ten years old at the time, told her

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<v Speaker 2>sister and mother he'd been assaulting her, including as recently

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<v Speaker 2>as that Memorial Day weekend. Prosecutors wrote in court filings, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy should be held, he should be tried in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and he should face whatever penalty he is convicted for

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts. Now, apparently some of the Feds want to

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<v Speaker 2>just get him out of the country. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that sets a good precedent, and I think that people

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<v Speaker 2>should understand that if they commit a crime, particularly a

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<v Speaker 2>violent crime. Oh, if you get someone here's illegally and

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<v Speaker 2>you want to get rid of him, I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Give them due process, prove that they're here illegally, get

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<v Speaker 2>them out. But if they commit a violent crime, I

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<v Speaker 2>want him punished. Now. My friend Bosco, who spoke just

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<v Speaker 2>a moment ago, he said, hey, don't keep them here,

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<v Speaker 2>don't pay for their incarceration. Look, I think it's well

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<v Speaker 2>worth it to make sure that they serve their crime

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<v Speaker 2>and serve their time. Bosco disagree with me, That's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to Mark in New Hampshion, Mark

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<v Speaker 2>next to Leside, Locome.

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<v Speaker 8>I hopefully our conversation can go much more civil the

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<v Speaker 8>last time I called. But yeah, let's give it a shot. So, uh,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm actually in agreement with one of the things you said,

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<v Speaker 8>and that the criminal aliens, and the one that comes

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<v Speaker 8>mostly to my mind is the uh Venezuelan gang banger

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<v Speaker 8>who murdered and Uhlke and Riley in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a high Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 8>Now this individual is where I agree with you that

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<v Speaker 8>he should be given due process, as would any other

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<v Speaker 8>criminal in the United States tried before twelve jurors or

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<v Speaker 8>a bench trial, if that's what they wanted. And uh,

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<v Speaker 8>even if this man, uh actually shouldn't call him that,

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<v Speaker 8>but uh, he even if he was found not guilty. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>at that point, you would deport him to that back

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<v Speaker 8>to Venezuela if he was found not guilt.

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<v Speaker 9>If he was found.

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<v Speaker 8>Guilty, excuse me, then he would serve, hopefully and not

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<v Speaker 8>be paroled, but serve the full amount of time that

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<v Speaker 8>the judge, and hopefully it wouldn't be a liberal judge

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<v Speaker 8>that would that would sentence him to the for life imprisonment,

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<v Speaker 8>would without parole. I don't know what Georgia has.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, whatever the judge decides, Okay, if it's a case

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<v Speaker 2>that that mandates up to an including life imprison and fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, whatever the judge imposes. My question that is,

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<v Speaker 2>does he serve it here? I think he should serve

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<v Speaker 2>it here. I know there's a cost associated with that

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<v Speaker 2>serving it here, but I think that justice needs to

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<v Speaker 2>be done here. And I don't trust a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these countries because a lot of these countries. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>with no disrespect to any country in the world. You

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<v Speaker 2>could send someone back to China and they could turn

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<v Speaker 2>them free. The next day. You could send some back

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<v Speaker 2>to England and they could have a change the government

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<v Speaker 2>and two years from now turn them out. Let him,

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<v Speaker 2>let him pay. The BOSCO disagrees with me, but.

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<v Speaker 8>All right, let me let me just say this, okay.

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<v Speaker 8>One of the major reasons I moved out of Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 8>uh three and a half years ago was because it

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<v Speaker 8>is a it's a one party rule, and you have

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<v Speaker 8>it now where you have apparently the governor, uh, the

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<v Speaker 8>Attorney General, the folks in the state House, and even

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<v Speaker 8>the police commissioner who and you're not going to like

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<v Speaker 8>to hear me say this, but I'm going to say

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<v Speaker 8>it anyway, is a DEI hire. Okay, you know I

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<v Speaker 2>Folks, First of all, you don't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Please don't go there with that. You don't know anything

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<v Speaker 2>about Michael cost First of all, First of all, he's

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<v Speaker 8>That has nothing to do with color.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we've I guess we've reached the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the line again. If you want to quibble over that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what I'm talking about tonight.

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<v Speaker 8>I just want to make one more comments. You can

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<v Speaker 8>hang up on me.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you know I'm not going to hang up

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<v Speaker 2>on you. But I'm going to say, retract the comment

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<v Speaker 2>because the comment is unjustified. And if you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to retract the comment, we'll end it there.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not going to retract the court.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it, Okay, your choice, six six, one, seven, nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, can you stay on topic, Mark, that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all. I'm still trying to figure out what you

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<v Speaker 2>disagree with me on. But that's fine. Let's focus on

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<v Speaker 2>what we're talking about here. If people who are here

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<v Speaker 2>illegally commit a serious crime, I believe they should be

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<v Speaker 2>tried uh and if found guilty, detained in Massachusetts to

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<v Speaker 2>serve their sentence here. The Globe article today does suggest

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<v Speaker 2>that the federal authorities want to deport them immediately, irrespective

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<v Speaker 2>of what they're what the crime is. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>someone is here illegally and they get nailed for something

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't know, pick pocketing or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>convict them and get them out of here. But on

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<v Speaker 2>a serious crime, I think they got to you do

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<v Speaker 2>the crime you got to do at the time, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter if you're an American citizen or if you're here illegally.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of open lines. If you want,

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<v Speaker 2>we will change topics. If this is not of interest

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<v Speaker 2>to you, we can change topics at ten o'clock six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's an important issue. I hope you do

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Back on Nightside after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, just as a programming note, tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 2>at nine o'clock, we'll be talking with the US Attorney, UH,

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<v Speaker 2>the newly appointed US Attorney for Massachusetts, Leah B. Foley.

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<v Speaker 2>She will be an interesting guest. To get the US

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<v Speaker 2>Attorney to come on and not only talk to me,

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<v Speaker 2>but to take calls from callers. UH is something that

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<v Speaker 2>we've done before, but it is always I think very

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<v Speaker 2>important to here from one of the most important law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement positions in the entire cormwalth of Massachusetts, if not

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<v Speaker 2>frankly the most important law enforcement a position in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to Luciana in Pennsylvania. Luciano next on Nightsiger,

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you Dan for taking my car.

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<v Speaker 10>Just let me say this as a Puerto Rican I

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<v Speaker 10>like what Nikki Haley said.

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<v Speaker 9>She put in.

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<v Speaker 10>As a South Carolina as governor, she put in he

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<v Speaker 10>verify and that's very effective for them were migrating. They

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<v Speaker 10>were leaving South Carolina because we verify and moving to Alaba.

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<v Speaker 2>About the issue close, I'm trying to get people to

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<v Speaker 2>focus on what we're talking about. Yes, someone is here illegally.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me let me just refresh your recollection with the questions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if someone is here illegally and they commit a serious

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<v Speaker 2>violent crime like the one we're talking about. This guy

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<v Speaker 2>who began raping a little girl when she was five,

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<v Speaker 2>and it continued apparently until she was ten years of age,

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<v Speaker 2>over five years in various locations. Yes, if he is

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<v Speaker 2>convicted of child rape, that carries up to potentially life

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. Although unfortunately many, as I understand, the mean

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<v Speaker 2>sentences for people who have committed child rape is not

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<v Speaker 2>nearly as serious as most of us would like. But

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<v Speaker 2>put that aside. If this guy is convicted and then

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to twenty years or thirty years or whatever. Where

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<v Speaker 2>should he serve that sentence here or in the country

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<v Speaker 2>that he emigrated illegally from?

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, he should serve the cub in the United States.

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<v Speaker 9>What thirty six trillion dollars in dead dare?

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<v Speaker 10>How the hell are we going to support all these

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<v Speaker 10>mass illegal invasions. Yes, serve them here and then build

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<v Speaker 10>to complete the wall and then send them back because

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<v Speaker 10>what thirty six trillion dollars? What bankrupt?

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<v Speaker 2>Brother?

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<v Speaker 10>And we're going down like the Titanic.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks Luciana, appreciate your vankation. Thank you very much

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<v Speaker 2>of a great night. Tough getting people on topics sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go to John and Maine. John, you're next

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 7>Welcome, Hi, Dan, how are you? I'll try to stay

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<v Speaker 7>on topic. I do. I do agree with you. I

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<v Speaker 7>think correct. You should be arrested here, tried here, sentenced here,

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<v Speaker 7>and he can do his time here. I'm willing to

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<v Speaker 7>sholl out a few tax dollars to take care of that.

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<v Speaker 7>But to me, when I think of this whole immigration

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<v Speaker 7>migration problem, Trump closed this border. I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 7>Trump fan, but if he does nothing else than what

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<v Speaker 7>he just did, I mean, that's step one close the

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<v Speaker 7>border and the rest of these problems. How we treat

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<v Speaker 7>you know, a serious criminal like we're talking about, that's

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<v Speaker 7>one thing. In how we treat somebody that's you know,

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<v Speaker 7>here illegally, that's another thing, you know, I mean, it's complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me. I think you're right on the money, and

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you totally. As I mentioned to Bosco,

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<v Speaker 2>who was our.

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<v Speaker 7>First called to Nicey. I heard him nice in.

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<v Speaker 2>That doesn't enforce its own borders, is no longer a country.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, right, exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you want to be fair and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And and by the way, I'm someone who believes that

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<v Speaker 2>we need more legal immigration. We only need.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm with you. I work in the hotel and restaurant business,

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, I mean we you know today you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm dealing with Peruvians, Colombians, Guatemalans, and they're wonderful, hard working,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, decent people, and they're certainly welcome in this

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<v Speaker 7>country as far as I'm concerned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, but I think they have to come

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<v Speaker 2>in in an orderly fashion. We need to know who

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<v Speaker 2>they are, in my opinion, Yeah, and uh and and

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<v Speaker 2>then with with that knowledge, in some cases, I've said

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<v Speaker 2>that you people who come in and and and and

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<v Speaker 2>and pick fruits and vegetables. You know, if they come

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<v Speaker 2>in right legally, and then in the off season return

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<v Speaker 2>to the home and they come back over certain numbers

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<v Speaker 2>of years, they can build up credits which might put

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<v Speaker 2>them on the road to becoming a legal citizen. If

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<v Speaker 2>they put them on the road, they become a legal

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant if they want. We just got to start writing

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<v Speaker 2>outside the box. But I agree with you. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the Trump administration is evil is able to close

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<v Speaker 2>the borders, and I think in the first month they've

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<v Speaker 2>had some results. We have to rely upon these statistics

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<v Speaker 2>that I.

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<v Speaker 7>Know they're a little little shaky, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean if those statistics are accurate, and if

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<v Speaker 2>there's also an element of self deportation where people he's

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<v Speaker 2>never going to be able to deport eleven million people.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's right. And yeah, that part of the issue,

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<v Speaker 7>that part of the issue that you just brought up.

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<v Speaker 7>Can't deport eleven million people, I think we have to.

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<v Speaker 7>Nobody's been thinking outside the box on that. I think

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<v Speaker 7>we need to do something these people. You know, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>we can offer them temp rary work visas. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, but just get them registered, get them, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>get them certified, get them, you know, off from it,

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<v Speaker 7>because we do need these workers. There's no doubt my

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<v Speaker 7>mind about it. I mean it's anecdotal, but everything, John.

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<v Speaker 2>For a long time, the Republicans kind of stayed away

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<v Speaker 2>from this issue because they were you know what, they

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<v Speaker 2>were called the country clutter Republicans. I didn't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>put you into a position, but the Democrats were looking

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<v Speaker 2>at them as an infusion of potential new voters because

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<v Speaker 2>as the team, which they're not well, but they're losing

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, they're losing a lot of the traditional

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<v Speaker 2>you know, believe it or not. Donald Trump got more

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<v Speaker 2>black voters, got more voters before him. So again I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think you're right on target, and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you taking the time.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey love the show, Dan, always do. I listened to

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<v Speaker 7>you on my way home and always appreciate it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>very much, pretty good work, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to Jack on the Cape Jack

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<v Speaker 2>from Cape Card. Jackie may be the last on this

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<v Speaker 2>issue tonight, got it or at least this hour?

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<v Speaker 9>Go ahead, Jack, Hey, Dan, I got a third option

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<v Speaker 9>for you. What's that We'll send them to work camps

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<v Speaker 9>in Siberia.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, unfortunately we don't control Siberia. We could send them

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<v Speaker 2>to Guitanamo. I mean there's a apparently.

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<v Speaker 9>There's I think mister Putin and mister Trump could come

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<v Speaker 9>up with a good deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I would hope not. I mean, yeah, that's fine, Okay, fixed, Jack, we.

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<v Speaker 9>Have joking okay, man, Yeah, I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thanks, Jack, appreciate it. Let me go next to

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<v Speaker 2>a coptic in Boston. Coptic, you're a little late here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to try to get you and go ahead. Coptic.

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<v Speaker 9>How are you doing, Dan, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing just great. What's your thought on this, Coptic? If

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<v Speaker 2>someone is here legally and they're convicted of a violent crime,

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<v Speaker 2>where do they serve this sentence here or the country

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<v Speaker 2>from which they came.

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<v Speaker 9>I believe if we live, we we we kept it here.

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<v Speaker 9>We get that it's gonna cost the government too much,

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<v Speaker 9>so and then we pay Texas and all the Texas

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<v Speaker 9>goes to these criminals. My opinion is I have an idea.

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<v Speaker 9>For example, in Mexico, we can the government can build

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<v Speaker 9>a prison between the border of Mexico and the United States.

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<v Speaker 9>Under the supervision of US.

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<v Speaker 2>So if there is anyments, a lot of money too coptic,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to I hate to tell you that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that. I don't know that the area

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<v Speaker 2>between the US border and the Mexican border, I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it's contiguous.

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<v Speaker 9>I want I'm saying, I want to say that the

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<v Speaker 9>Mexican government can take care of him, but every while,

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<v Speaker 9>like some official police or whatever they call the official form,

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<v Speaker 9>they can go there and be sure that this criminal

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<v Speaker 9>he spent his time there. So that way, okay, I

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<v Speaker 9>got it, Comic, I'm not sure that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure that that's realistic, but I appreciate your calling,

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<v Speaker 2>even though you called late. Unfortunately, I'm flat out of time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I gotta I gotta let you go. As always,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank thanks, more time, Thanks very much, good night. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we will change topics. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>a new poll out that maybe maybe Americans are losing

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<v Speaker 2>faith in airlines. I'd love to know what you think

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<v Speaker 2>if the last few weeks of air traffic accidents a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of wells, The tragic, most tragic one was over

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<v Speaker 2>the Potomac, but then you see the one in Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened today and I played out of Atlanta. Does

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<v Speaker 2>it giving you second thoughts about flying? There's some polls

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<v Speaker 2>out tonight which suggests.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just that.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk on the other side of the ten here

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<v Speaker 2>a Nights one