Speaker 1: Good evening everyone.
Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Myers with the Metaphysical Hour or so.
Speaker 2: This show is a tribute to Dolores Cannon. May her
Speaker 2: next life be as awesome and inspiring as the last.
Speaker 2: To honor the very topic that helped me eventually find
Speaker 2: Dolores in the first place and set me down This
Speaker 2: very spiritual wondering rabbit hole is NDEs near death experiences.
Speaker 2: The world has many answers to explain away the spiritual
Speaker 2: realm and all of us crazies out there that know
Speaker 2: that there's more to this life than just eat, work,
Speaker 2: and sleep, but it struggles to find a real answer
Speaker 2: as to why people keep experiencing near death experiences. To
Speaker 2: the atheist out there, it's just a rush of chemicals
Speaker 2: that is flooding your brain that makes you hallucinate. To
Speaker 2: the religious person out there, it's a visit from the
Speaker 2: heavenly realm from God and his angels, which sounds nice
Speaker 2: until you tell them that it was a light being
Speaker 2: from the Pleiades, and they will just tell you that
Speaker 2: it was only a hallucination or even worse.
Speaker 1: The devil deceiving you.
Speaker 2: But to the open minded individual out there that doesn't
Speaker 2: have it all figured out, but very curious. Yet the
Speaker 2: near death experiences are nothing short of miracles from the
Speaker 2: other side, proof of an afterlife, proof of reincarnation, proof
Speaker 2: that we shouldn't take our lives so seriously in proof
Speaker 2: that we need to stop worrying so much about the
Speaker 2: material reality, proof that God and universe and source all
Speaker 2: of it exists, or the one is just love. Literally,
Speaker 2: the material realm fooled us, all of us so much
Speaker 2: so that we forget that this realm is more or
Speaker 2: less a dream. So let's get into a few except
Speaker 2: near death experience stories from the best site that I
Speaker 2: know to find them is nderf dot org and derf
Speaker 2: dot org. I do also want to say that if
Speaker 2: you've ever had a near death experience, reach out to
Speaker 2: them and document it for the world to see, because
Speaker 2: you never know how much it might be able to
Speaker 2: help someone, because it surely helped me.
Speaker 1: So for anybody out.
Speaker 2: There that is curious as to what a near death
Speaker 2: experience actually is, I think some people think that, uh, well,
Speaker 2: you almost died, so it was near death experience. Most
Speaker 2: of the time, these people actually did die, like flatlined.
Speaker 2: They were out for a couple of minutes, maybe even
Speaker 2: up to an hour. Some of the crazier stories that
Speaker 2: I've seen, and what they were able to experience is
Speaker 2: something that they shouldn't be experiencing. I mean, at least
Speaker 2: not as far as we understand scientifically and of the
Speaker 2: physical world. But there is still something wild that happens
Speaker 2: just about every time. And these are the people that
Speaker 2: come back to tell the tale. Right, So they're they're dead,
Speaker 2: you know, for a few minutes, and they experience like timelessness,
Speaker 2: and they experience something otherworldly and they are convinced usually
Speaker 2: to come back by God or by you know, a
Speaker 2: savior or an angel or an ancestor or an alien
Speaker 2: or maybe even them, you know, like there there's no
Speaker 2: limits to this. Yeah, I mean, this is quite astounding
Speaker 2: every single time we read one. But yeah, so, just
Speaker 2: to get the Google definition of what an NDE is,
Speaker 2: a near death experience is a profound personal event that
Speaker 2: occurs when a person is close to or has been
Speaker 2: temporarily pronounced clinically dead, followed by resuscitation. NDEs are characterized
Speaker 2: by vivid, subjective phenomena that can vary, but often include
Speaker 2: a core set of elements. The nature of NDEs is
Speaker 2: debated by scientists and medical professionals, with explanations ranging from
Speaker 2: neurological events to spiritual phenomena. So it kind of goes
Speaker 2: all over and it's up to the interpreter what does
Speaker 2: that person go through whenever they are on the other
Speaker 2: side of it. So, so there are common features of
Speaker 2: near death experiences. While no two near death experiences are identical,
Speaker 2: many share similar elements, according to studies conducted by researchers
Speaker 2: like psychiatrist Raymond Moody, look into him if you haven't already,
Speaker 2: that is a beautiful man.
Speaker 1: So some of the.
Speaker 2: Most frequently reported features are out of body sensations, which
Speaker 2: is a feeling of detaching from your physical body and
Speaker 2: observing events from a different perspective, oftentimes from above. That's
Speaker 2: what you'll hear about, is that I look down and
Speaker 2: I saw my body And yeah, we're going to get
Speaker 2: into a couple of those stories. Another one is a
Speaker 2: heightened state of mind, a sense of unusual mental clarity
Speaker 2: and rapid thought processes despite the body being in a
Speaker 2: compromised physical state. Now, how do you explain that bodies dead,
Speaker 2: brain shut down, there's no activity really going on, and
Speaker 2: somehow their mind is.
Speaker 1: Working better than it ever has. What a trip.
Speaker 2: Next, you have a movement through a tunnel, not every time,
Speaker 2: most times, though, so the movement through the tunnel is
Speaker 2: a feeling of being drawn into a dark, enclosed space,
Speaker 2: sometimes with a brilliant light at the end. Another one
Speaker 2: is encountering a bright light, so seeing an intensely brilliant,
Speaker 2: peaceful and loving light, which sounds kind of wild, right,
Speaker 2: You're talking about just a light, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: like a It's not a fluorescent light, it's not incandescent light.
Speaker 1: It's not even the Sun's light.
Speaker 2: It's not the stars light, the moon's light, not any
Speaker 2: light you've ever seen, at least not in the you know,
Speaker 2: physical material, realm. It is a light that literally expresses emotion,
Speaker 2: which is kind of wild if you think about it,
Speaker 2: like it's hard to even Pross says that because anytime
Speaker 2: we've ever seen light, we don't associate it with emotion,
Speaker 2: we don't associate.
Speaker 1: It with love.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's aspects of it. You know, you
Speaker 2: see the sun going down over the ocean, and maybe
Speaker 2: you feel like, oh it's it's a nice mood and
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful scene or read and maybe there with
Speaker 2: a loved one.
Speaker 1: It's even more than that.
Speaker 2: Okay, like this, from what I've read, it's more than that.
Speaker 2: There seems to be a profound sense of serenity, well being,
Speaker 2: and unconditional love, often replacing feelings of pain, Which is
Speaker 2: interesting because you're no longer attached to the body anymore,
Speaker 2: so I guess you wouldn't necessarily feel any kind of pain.
Speaker 2: But if the mind is inside the brain that's inside
Speaker 2: the body, shouldn't you still be feeling some kind of pain.
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna be able to find a way to,
Speaker 2: you know, tear that apart.
Speaker 1: But we'll go on. Then.
Speaker 2: There seems to be just about every time a life review,
Speaker 2: so a rapid and panoramic review of one's past, often
Speaker 2: reliving significant memories and understanding the impact of one's actions.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people meet other beings.
Speaker 2: Most of the time people meet other beings, from what
Speaker 2: I've read, encounters with diseased loved ones, religious figures, or
Speaker 2: other spiritual entities, and there usually is a reluctance to return,
Speaker 2: a strong desire to remain in this blissful state, often
Speaker 2: described as a more authentic place than a more authentic
Speaker 2: home than your earthly life. Think about that man, more authentic,
Speaker 2: more home than your earthly home. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 2: know that some people don't necessarily feel at home in
Speaker 2: their own home. That's not what this is talking about.
Speaker 2: This is saying that, like, imagine you're at home. You
Speaker 2: have your significant other, maybe you have your kids with you,
Speaker 2: maybe you're opening presents on Christmas Day.
Speaker 1: It's as home as it gets.
Speaker 2: Right, you got Michael Blue Blaze Christmas music or whatever
Speaker 2: playing the breath in the background, you drink, it's a megnog,
Speaker 2: you know, the ambiance is right tis the season. It
Speaker 2: is the most home you'll ever feel unless you have
Speaker 2: an NDE. And that's what this is saying, more authentically
Speaker 2: home than your earthly life. It goes beyond it because
Speaker 2: there are limitations to this reality, not even just to
Speaker 2: this reality, there's limitations to our conception of this reality,
Speaker 2: like to our understanding of this reality. You think about it,
Speaker 2: we only have five senses, six at most, right, with
Speaker 2: the sixth sense being the intuition or the gut feeling.
Speaker 2: How do you explain just what we were talking about earlier.
Speaker 2: Whenever they were seeing the light and sensing emotion from
Speaker 2: the light. Maybe that's a sense that we just don't
Speaker 2: have in the physical realm, you know, and that's probably
Speaker 2: just the only way that that individual could even explain it.
Speaker 2: I'm probably I'm sure it probably is a lot deeper
Speaker 2: than even just the light had emotion. And that's why
Speaker 2: I love looking into these because I just don't know
Speaker 2: what to do with it, you know, but I'm excited.
Speaker 2: I don't need to compartmentalize it. Though, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: There were plenty of times where I did try to
Speaker 2: compartmentalize some of these stories, you know, because some of
Speaker 2: them have Jesus, some of them have you know, Muhammed,
Speaker 2: but some of them have Buddha, some of them have
Speaker 2: you know, their ancestors.
Speaker 1: Some of them have it's just their higher self. Like,
Speaker 1: what do you do?
Speaker 2: How do you compartmentalize that? Some people meet ets, Maybe
Speaker 2: they're praying mantises, Maybe they're little grays, could be you know,
Speaker 2: the tall Whites, could be, the Pleiadians, whatever, right, the
Speaker 2: Nordics cat beings. I mean, there's no limit. So how
Speaker 2: can you compartmentalize something that has no limit? You can't,
Speaker 2: And you know, and what you find is that after
Speaker 2: some time, we only compartmentalize things so that we can
Speaker 2: better understand. And so it's I would say that it's
Speaker 2: only logic to try and compartmentalize it. It's only logic
Speaker 2: to try and make some kind of sense of it
Speaker 2: because our brains don't know what to do. We can't
Speaker 2: leave doors open. It has to be I understand it
Speaker 2: or or it doesn't make sense, right, And that's not
Speaker 2: necessarily right. This is mind expanding stuff, not shrinking, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then science has tried to interpret it,
Speaker 2: which is okay, And we're going to go over that
Speaker 2: because I'm sure there are people out there that are like,
Speaker 2: surely there needs to be some kind of scientific explanation. Now,
Speaker 2: I do want you to keep in mind something though
Speaker 2: science knows how things work, they don't know why it
Speaker 2: works that way. Just a little distinction, so how it works,
Speaker 2: as far as maybe there's some chemicals that are going
Speaker 2: off in the body, maybe.
Speaker 1: A little bit of this, a little bit of that.
Speaker 2: It's a big cocktail that's going on, big cocktail chemical
Speaker 2: soup inside your body and inside your mind that's causing
Speaker 2: you to quote unquote hallucinate.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: So what they say is is that there's neurological activity.
Speaker 2: So it says a cascade of physiological stress during a
Speaker 2: life threatening event may cause certain networks of neurons to
Speaker 2: go into overdrive. There's brain activity that has been shown
Speaker 2: to surge right before death, possibly contributing to the subjective experience,
Speaker 2: which is interesting because it says that there's a brain
Speaker 2: surge rate before death, before they die, we're talking about
Speaker 2: these people are dead, okay, Like just so we're clear,
Speaker 2: like they're dead. There's no spike on the monitor, right,
Speaker 2: they are put and they're experiencing something. So they're talking
Speaker 2: about up intol that moment there seems to be a
Speaker 2: surge and brain activity upright to the edge. But it
Speaker 2: doesn't explain what happens after. It says possibly contributing to
Speaker 2: the subjective experience.
Speaker 1: And that's a thing, you know, it's it's subjective.
Speaker 2: And this is why I don't know, I you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of go back and forth as far as
Speaker 2: like what's objective, you know, what's truth, what's the reality
Speaker 2: of the situation. What I found is is that the
Speaker 2: most most things that we think are objective really aren't
Speaker 2: really break it all down, you know, Like the things
Speaker 2: that we call objective. If especially if we're you know,
Speaker 2: talking about the Imperial College London doing the h d
Speaker 2: MT studies. I don't know how you look at that
Speaker 2: and collect that information, sort it through your mind and
Speaker 2: come to the come to the understanding. How do you
Speaker 2: not come to the understanding that this isn't some sort
Speaker 2: of restrictive realm of sorts, not restrictive like hell, I
Speaker 2: don't mean that restrictive in the sense of we don't
Speaker 2: have we don't have all of our abilities, understanding senses.
Speaker 2: We're limited in a sense, which I think actually makes
Speaker 2: it beautiful, you know, in that sense, because it's trying
Speaker 2: to see what I think about this reality. What I'm
Speaker 2: starting to understand is is that sure, maybe there are
Speaker 2: limitations compared to whenever you're in the afterlife or in
Speaker 2: another realm or you know, on another planet as another
Speaker 2: being or whatever. But I think that those restrictions are
Speaker 2: beautiful in the sense that what are you gonna do
Speaker 2: with the little the the very little bit of modality
Speaker 2: and senses and control that you think you have, Like
Speaker 2: I think it's nice in that way. But anyway, so
Speaker 2: then it gets into them the rem intrusion, so the
Speaker 2: rapid eye movement, so a blending of consciousness of conscious states,
Speaker 2: so you have the waking, the REM sleep, and non
Speaker 2: rem sleep that occurred during a crisis. They can create
Speaker 2: a hybrid state. It's called this rem intrusion is believed
Speaker 2: to account for many nd features, including out of body
Speaker 2: sensations and visual hallucinations. There's a neurochemical release. The brain
Speaker 2: may release a flood of neurochemicals during extreme stress and dwarphins.
Speaker 2: The body's natural painkillers may create feelings of peace and bliss.
Speaker 2: And then there's oxygen starvation, so also known as hypoxia.
Speaker 2: A lack of oxygen to the brain can produce hallucinations
Speaker 2: and tunnel like vision, a common feature of near death experiences.
Speaker 2: So that's what's going on in the body. That's the how,
Speaker 2: that's the how is this happening?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: That doesn't, you know, take away from the actual experience itself.
Speaker 2: It just shows you like this is the highway. These
Speaker 2: are the nuts and the bolts. This is how it happens,
Speaker 2: not why it happens. Not like not to take away
Speaker 2: anything spiritually, but there has to be an alley a
Speaker 2: highway in order for these things to happen. And just
Speaker 2: like anybody that's having any kind of spiritual experience. Most
Speaker 2: times you have to be in a different state consciously
Speaker 2: to have any kind of spiritual experience like a whether
Speaker 2: it be an out of body experience or maybe you
Speaker 2: got visited from a loved one or an angel or
Speaker 2: an et or anything like that. Usually you have to
Speaker 2: be in a different conscious state, like hypnotic almost and
Speaker 2: most of the times people don't even know they're really
Speaker 2: in them, you know, we just assume that it's always us.
Speaker 2: But there's different levels to us. There's different stages of
Speaker 2: what you consider you, you know, and we've gone over
Speaker 2: them in the past.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's beta, alpha, theta, gamma, and delta. These are all
Speaker 2: like different levels and different stages of consciousness within your
Speaker 2: own mind. Everybody goes through it, and so they have
Speaker 2: the spiritual explanation, it says. Many who have experienced an
Speaker 2: ND interpret as a glimpse into the afterlife or a
Speaker 2: connection to something divine. These interpretations are often shaped by
Speaker 2: the individual's cultural, philosophical, and religious background. Vertical vertical NDEs,
Speaker 2: in which a person accurately recalls events that they could
Speaker 2: not have physically witnessed, are sometimes cited as evidence for
Speaker 2: consciousness existing outside the body. I don't know what other
Speaker 2: explanation you could have. I mean, they're they're down and
Speaker 2: out for the count. There's there's nothing popping up on
Speaker 2: the monitor, and still somehow they're able to listen in
Speaker 2: on the doctor's conversation. Yeah, that'll keep you up at
Speaker 2: night in a good way. Then there's the life changing
Speaker 2: after effects, of course. I mean, anybody that goes through
Speaker 2: something so crazy, so spiritual, so out of body, so
Speaker 2: other so otherworldly, of course, it's going to change your
Speaker 2: life every time. And so it says near death experiences
Speaker 2: can have a powerful and lasting impact on a person's
Speaker 2: personality and outlook on life. Reported after effects can include
Speaker 2: a diminished fear of death, which I think is a
Speaker 2: great thing. Shouldn't be worried or fearful about death. It's
Speaker 2: going to happen, regardless whether you fear about it or not.
Speaker 2: It's going to happen. There is a level of increased spirituality,
Speaker 2: often accompanied by less interest in materialism.
Speaker 1: Makes sense.
Speaker 2: There's a heightened sense of purpose and compassion for others.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a spiritual teacher. There's spiritual teachers all
Speaker 2: over the world of all times have been trying to
Speaker 2: preach this very same thing from the very beginning. But
Speaker 2: we have to die to understand that that that message.
Speaker 2: I guess not everybody. Some people, then there seems to
Speaker 2: be positive changes in attitude and behavior, though some individuals
Speaker 2: may struck with integrating their experience rightfully. So I mean,
Speaker 2: how are you going to integrate meeting a gray alien
Speaker 2: who told you that you're from planet blee blob? And
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, how are you going to
Speaker 2: integrate that into going to work? And then yeah, and
Speaker 2: then there's there's always a renewed appreciation for life.
Speaker 1: So just want to throw those out there.
Speaker 2: It's quite fascinating when you really really look into some
Speaker 2: of the effects and what really is going on now.
Speaker 2: I do want to say, anybody that's ever looked into
Speaker 2: a near death experience, it's not like a oh it
Speaker 2: happened once or twice, or maybe it happens every so often.
Speaker 2: There are hundreds of thousands, if not more, but at
Speaker 2: least documented. There are hundreds of thousands of documented accounts
Speaker 2: of people that are documenting their near death experiences. Like
Speaker 2: I said, they're not always the same. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, most of the time they are far apart
Speaker 2: from each other. So don't try to even think of
Speaker 2: compartmentalizing this.
Speaker 1: This is something that you can't put in a box.
Speaker 2: So let's quit, quit dancing around, actually get to the information.
Speaker 2: But look, before we do, I did want to say
Speaker 2: I do offer past life regressions for anybody that is interested.
Speaker 2: This is why I built the show, you know, to
Speaker 2: kind of commemorate Dolores Cannon because of you know, she
Speaker 2: inspired me greatly to really look a lot in this
Speaker 2: general direction. And I went to school for I went
Speaker 2: to her school. I mean it was when was that
Speaker 2: like four or five years ago? I did it, and
Speaker 2: I've done I don't know, two three hundred sessions so far,
Speaker 2: and they're always so amazing, just like NDEs. I mean,
Speaker 2: they are so similar it's not even funny. And so
Speaker 2: if you're interested in that, then email us at metamistics
Speaker 2: at yahoo dot com. That link is down the show
Speaker 2: notes below. For anybody that's interested in prices. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to keep it a secret. I have two different
Speaker 2: ways of going about the price. So and I will
Speaker 2: say that I'm cheaper than just about everybody. If I
Speaker 2: don't know if I've ever found anybody that is cheaper
Speaker 2: than me, unless they're given it to you for free.
Speaker 2: Like that's I'm not trying to make a living off
Speaker 2: of it, you know. But it does take a few hours,
Speaker 2: It does take a lot of energy, and it does
Speaker 2: take a lot of attention, does take a lot of time.
Speaker 2: So I do want to say that, you know it,
Speaker 2: I have to charge something, so but that price is
Speaker 2: not steep at all compared to everybody else. So my
Speaker 2: typical charge is two hundred and fifty dollars per session.
Speaker 2: Maybe it goes an hour, maybe it goes three hours,
Speaker 2: maybe it goes four hours. Maybe it only goes two hours,
Speaker 2: maybe it's less than an hour. Either way, two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars. Okay, I don't do it by the hour.
Speaker 2: I do it by the session, two hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: But if you decide that you want to put it
Speaker 2: up on the podcast for everybody else to be able
Speaker 2: to listen a lot like these fine people over at
Speaker 2: nderf dot org did with their near death experiences.
Speaker 1: And you want other.
Speaker 2: People to be able to listen to what your experience
Speaker 2: was about your past life regression, I bring it down
Speaker 2: to two hundred dollars, so it's fifty dollars off and
Speaker 2: that way everybody will be able to listen to it
Speaker 2: as well. Now that doesn't mean that I won't. You know,
Speaker 2: if if there's something like very personal in there that
Speaker 2: you would like to get cut out, I can absolutely
Speaker 2: cut that out. I can make accommodations, no big deal.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you don't want people knowing about some of
Speaker 2: the more deeply personal stuff.
Speaker 1: That you, you.
Speaker 2: Know, maybe went through or learned about yourself, or maybe
Speaker 2: some of the questions that you ask your higher self.
Speaker 1: Totally get that, we can cut that out.
Speaker 2: But as far as the past life regression itself, where
Speaker 2: did you go, what did you see, what did you experience,
Speaker 2: what did you learn? All those fun things, all the
Speaker 2: details of it. Yeah, well we'll keep that in there
Speaker 2: if I mean, it's entirely up to you. So if
Speaker 2: you're interested in that, like I said, email me at
Speaker 2: metamistics at yahoo dot com and we can get that
Speaker 2: set up.
Speaker 1: I will say.
Speaker 2: Anybody it's interested in it, make sure you have headphones
Speaker 2: that have a attached microphone that you can put right
Speaker 2: next to your mouth. So a lot of times, like
Speaker 2: the old school Apple headphones. The pods, right, the corded ones,
Speaker 2: not AirPods. Don't do not use AirPods. They are not
Speaker 2: that good for this. If you use the old school
Speaker 2: ones with the actual cord, the in the mic that's
Speaker 2: connected to the cord, those are usually the best, unless
Speaker 2: you have like a set of gamer headphones with you know,
Speaker 2: the mic that goes right up to your mouth. And
Speaker 2: the reason why I say that is is because whenever
Speaker 2: you're under hypnosis, your voice.
Speaker 1: Is gonna get so soft.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like you're almost asleep and you're just
Speaker 2: you're just saying your first words of the day.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be so low.
Speaker 2: And I do it over zoom obviously, so I need
Speaker 2: to hear because I'm not right there with you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just go about that.
Speaker 2: And also the most important part is make sure you
Speaker 2: have a couple hours set aside for the day. You
Speaker 2: never know how long it's gonna be. You want to
Speaker 2: make sure that there's not gonna be anything that's going
Speaker 2: to interrupt you. So maybe you got a dog that's barking,
Speaker 2: or maybe you got kids running around, you want to
Speaker 2: try and make sure that it's as quiet as possible
Speaker 2: because you don't want to be pulled out of it,
Speaker 2: and you want to make sure that you have at
Speaker 2: least ten questions that you can ask to your higher self.
Speaker 1: So these are.
Speaker 2: Questions that you would ask a spirit guide, that you
Speaker 2: would ask an angel, that you would ask somebody in
Speaker 2: the know that would know it's questions to your higher self.
Speaker 2: If you want to look at it like that, these questions.
Speaker 2: You don't think that you would ever be able to
Speaker 2: get your hands on some of these answers, and it
Speaker 2: will come to your shock that every single one of
Speaker 2: them will be answered by you and the information will
Speaker 2: be coming through you.
Speaker 1: I don't know how, I don't even.
Speaker 2: Know why, but it happens. So yeah, I get at
Speaker 2: least ten questions. I usually say, what are ten questions
Speaker 2: that you would ask God? Something like that, you know,
Speaker 2: what's my purpose in this life? Who am I supposed
Speaker 2: to end up with? What job am I supposed to do?
Speaker 2: Whatever you add, whatever, it doesn't even matter. Whatever you
Speaker 2: want to ask, there are no limitations to it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: with that being said, let's get over to nd r
Speaker 2: F dot org the Near Death Experience Research Foundation dot org.
Speaker 2: This is the place where tens of thousands, if not
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of people have documented their near death
Speaker 2: experiences and they have a wide variety. Sometimes people have
Speaker 2: out of body experiences. Sometimes people have near death experiences.
Speaker 2: They talk about different levels of being outside of your body,
Speaker 2: whether you died, whether you just had an out of
Speaker 2: body maybe it was something something extra. But today we're
Speaker 2: going to be going over the exceptional near death experiences.
Speaker 2: They have a list of current NDEs, which are people
Speaker 2: that are updating it literally on the daily, and then
Speaker 2: you have your exceptional ones. You know, maybe a few
Speaker 2: like mind blowing ones a month. And that's what we're
Speaker 2: gonna be talking about today. We're going to I got
Speaker 2: three of them that we're going to mention. So these
Speaker 2: are these three stories, and these aren't just stories. I mean,
Speaker 2: these are actual experiences that these people documented. So it's
Speaker 2: up to you how you want to interpret it. But
Speaker 2: I would say the best way to approach this is
Speaker 2: with an open mind. Just listen, Just listen to the story,
Speaker 2: see what happens. And then once we hear the entire story,
Speaker 2: then you figure out I wonder this, I wonder that,
Speaker 2: But don't judge until the end. Because we're talking about
Speaker 2: things that are being experienced outside of time.
Speaker 1: It's a very different world.
Speaker 2: So the first NDY either we're going to have or
Speaker 2: the first one that we're going to read here is
Speaker 2: from Luis who had an NDE and it was actually transcribed,
Speaker 2: I think because transcribed.
Speaker 1: Oh, he was.
Speaker 2: Maybe talking into a voice memo or a voice recorder
Speaker 2: or something like that. Somebody wrote it down. So it
Speaker 2: starts like this. I had been dealing with a breathing
Speaker 2: problem when I was asleep and would wake up in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night gasping for air. It would
Speaker 2: it would happen about once a week, and I just
Speaker 2: have to sit up quickly and wait for a few seconds,
Speaker 2: sometimes longer, until I could breathe normally again. It became
Speaker 2: kind of normal for me. But then one night it
Speaker 2: didn't go away. I woke up like before, but this
Speaker 2: time I struggled to catch my breath, gasping harder than usual.
Speaker 2: My wife was exhausted with her own issues sleeping, so
Speaker 2: initially I didn't want to wake her, thinking that it
Speaker 2: would eventually improve. But something felt wrong. Panic set in
Speaker 2: and when I turned to the left to wake up
Speaker 2: my wife. Wake up my wife, I heard a female
Speaker 2: voice say relax and let go all as well, And
Speaker 2: then I was both looking at my body and still
Speaker 2: in it. Though the feeling of panic disappeared. The voice
Speaker 2: I heard was calm, gentle. It was a female voice.
Speaker 2: I can't really describe it because it was unlike anything
Speaker 2: I'd ever heard metallic sounding is the only way that
Speaker 2: I can say, but it was still feminine. So one
Speaker 2: moment I was there struggling to breathe. In the next
Speaker 2: I was watching myself. Then I heard the voice again,
Speaker 2: the same exact words, relax and let go all as well.
Speaker 2: This time I could pinpoint the location of the voice.
Speaker 2: It came from the right corner of the room, behind
Speaker 2: the physical me. When I turned my body to look
Speaker 2: in that direction, I saw a translucent, bluish, fluorescent, clear
Speaker 2: energy being. The energy being was not human shaped and
Speaker 2: really hard to describe. As I turned further looking behind me,
Speaker 2: I also saw a human shape being of light, and
Speaker 2: to the right of that being was a round shaped
Speaker 2: light on the wall like a portal.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: But before I could fully process what was happening, I
Speaker 2: was suddenly pulled and went right through the energy being
Speaker 2: and was near the other being that was directly behind me,
Speaker 2: But now we were both looking down at my body
Speaker 2: from what seemed to be ceiling height.
Speaker 1: In the corner of the room.
Speaker 2: Strangely, as I looked at myself at my body, I
Speaker 2: felt little to no connection to it. I did not
Speaker 2: recognize it or understand why I was even observing it.
Speaker 2: I only sensed that the body was struggling, gasping for
Speaker 2: air with this other being next to me, who I
Speaker 2: felt as a friend or someone I can trust. Not
Speaker 2: recognizing myself, I asked, what's wrong with it? He replied,
Speaker 2: he's trying to breathe.
Speaker 1: Breathe. What is that? I asked?
Speaker 2: He said something like the body needs to breathe in
Speaker 2: order to survive. I didn't feel fear or any heightened
Speaker 2: sense of emotions, just curious, observing everything calmly with respect
Speaker 2: to the human drama going on. I actually felt a
Speaker 2: little bored, not knowing what I was doing there. And
Speaker 2: then at the moment I was thinking that, the being
Speaker 2: asked me, are you ready to go? And I said, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go, though I didn't know where we
Speaker 2: were going or who this being actually was. Before we
Speaker 2: left that earth scene in my bedroom, I saw my
Speaker 2: body get wrapped in this bluish cocoon like energy light,
Speaker 2: the same exact color of that bluish being I first saw.
Speaker 2: Then I pulled out of that scene at an incredible speed,
Speaker 2: like being vacuumed up. And then suddenly I was standing
Speaker 2: on a beach.
Speaker 1: This place.
Speaker 2: It was amazing. The waters, the colors, the sand, it
Speaker 2: was alive. It was all moving together as if there
Speaker 2: was a breeze blowing onto it. But I didn't feel
Speaker 2: any wind.
Speaker 1: To me.
Speaker 2: It felt like a breeze coming in creating something like music,
Speaker 2: and everything was moving to it, synchronized like a symphony.
Speaker 2: It was just beautiful. I was looking at the sand
Speaker 2: and I felt like I was part of and one
Speaker 2: with the sand. Interestingly, I could see all of the
Speaker 2: sand and every grain of the sand individually. Somehow, I
Speaker 2: could even talk to the sand, and the sand was
Speaker 2: also communicating with me. They were asking me to come
Speaker 2: touch it and feel it. The same thing happened with
Speaker 2: the water. I was connected to it. The water was different,
Speaker 2: more substance and solid, and I didn't get wet. That's
Speaker 2: the way I would describe it. The water was communicating
Speaker 2: with me as well, inviting me to come into it,
Speaker 2: and so I did, and it felt like it was
Speaker 2: healing me. I felt the love from it again. It
Speaker 2: was just indescribable. There was no sun, but the whole
Speaker 2: place was bright and full of light, blue skies, white clouds.
Speaker 2: It felt like heaven. So I turned to the being
Speaker 2: who was still with me and asked, is this heaven?
Speaker 2: He said, yes, this is part of what humans call heaven.
Speaker 2: Then I asked, if this is heaven, where is God?
Speaker 2: And he answered God is everywhere, all the time, and
Speaker 2: in everything. That answer didn't satisfy me. I didn't get it,
Speaker 2: this idea that God was everything and in everything all
Speaker 2: the time. Then this question came out of me, despite
Speaker 2: not feeling connected to my physical life. Whenever I said,
Speaker 2: if this is heaven and if God is real, what
Speaker 2: religion should I be? He told me you can be
Speaker 2: a religious person if you like, but you don't have
Speaker 2: to be because religion is of man, not of God.
Speaker 2: That made sense. So then I asked, if heaven is
Speaker 2: real and God is real, is Jesus real? And instantly
Speaker 2: when I asked that, I was gone no longer on
Speaker 2: the beach. I was inside a wooden cabin, beautiful wood
Speaker 2: everywhere like maple I'm a woodworker, and I love wood.
Speaker 2: So I was admiring this wood that was so full
Speaker 2: of light and alive, and I thought to myself, let
Speaker 2: me look at this wood. And when I thought that,
Speaker 2: I was right there, up close, looking at it, right
Speaker 2: then the wood transformed into a vibrating into vibrating thin
Speaker 2: strings of light like glowing spider webs of all types
Speaker 2: of amazing colors, running horizontally back and forth, as if
Speaker 2: the lumber was alive. I then backed up to where
Speaker 2: I was before before I came close, and this time
Speaker 2: I saw two humongous angels or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call them. They were massive beings, strong, all dressed in white,
Speaker 2: and you could see their muscles. I'm six three, but
Speaker 2: these guys were intimidating, and I would guess that they
Speaker 2: were at least thirty feet tall. I didn't turn to
Speaker 2: look at them directly, but somehow I could see them.
Speaker 2: Then I saw a hand reach into the cabin. It
Speaker 2: was as big as the room, and it was also
Speaker 2: as big as the entire universe. Again, somehow I knew
Speaker 2: both at once, But I don't know how to explain
Speaker 2: that I could see the beare hand a mail hand
Speaker 2: up to the wrist, and then the fabric from the
Speaker 2: wrist to the elbow. The fabric had a band of
Speaker 2: gold near the wrist with simple small symbols. The hand
Speaker 2: appeared to be normal, moved down onto the floor and
Speaker 2: opened up. When the hand opened, a figure stepped out.
Speaker 2: The moment I saw the figure, I just knew exactly
Speaker 2: who it was, even though the being was initially walking
Speaker 2: towards the wall away from me.
Speaker 1: It was Jesus.
Speaker 2: Don't ask me how I knew this being was Jesus.
Speaker 2: I don't know how I knew, because I really didn't
Speaker 2: know anything about him or anything really specific about that religion,
Speaker 2: coming from a communist country where we couldn't discuss it.
Speaker 2: But I just knew it was him, and there was
Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind. As Jesus stepped out of
Speaker 2: the open hand, he took a couple of steps forward
Speaker 2: away from me, towards the wall and turned right back,
Speaker 2: turned right to walk towards the doorframe and open but
Speaker 2: no door. There was a white pedestal right in front
Speaker 2: of me in the doorway with a humongous, thick white
Speaker 2: book on it, maybe three feet wide. Everything was white,
Speaker 2: and there was this old style feather quill pen on
Speaker 2: the pedestal on the right side of the book. Jesus
Speaker 2: picked up the quill pen with his right hand and
Speaker 2: began writing in the book. I was just watching, thinking
Speaker 2: in disbelief that this is Jesus right in front of me.
Speaker 2: He kept writing, and at some point I figured he's
Speaker 2: writing all of the bad stuff I've done, and he's
Speaker 2: about to send me to hell because I used to
Speaker 2: talk a lot of crap about Jesus. I was an
Speaker 2: atheist and didn't pay any attention to religion. But then
Speaker 2: as soon as I thought what is he writing? I
Speaker 2: was there right on top of the book. He was writing,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't see any words that he was writing.
Speaker 2: Everything was white, so it was as he was writing
Speaker 2: with white ink, and I just couldn't see what was
Speaker 2: being written. Then I was back again where I was
Speaker 2: standing before. And this went on for what seemed like forever.
Speaker 2: Each time I kept thinking that these bad things were
Speaker 2: going to happen to me, he would pause, smile or chuckle.
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, why is he laughing? Am I
Speaker 2: in that much trouble? At this point he communicated to
Speaker 2: me that he could hear my thoughts. We were actually
Speaker 2: communicating directly thought to thought. Now, as I think back,
Speaker 2: it humors me too, But these concerns were what I
Speaker 2: was actually thinking there as it was happening. He eventually
Speaker 2: stopped writing back and backed away. He turned to face
Speaker 2: me and took a few steps towards me, stopping maybe
Speaker 2: six feet away. He looked at me, and I get
Speaker 2: emotional when I remember this part, because he said, in quotes,
Speaker 2: I heard you asking for me, So here I am.
Speaker 2: I've always been here with you, and you have always
Speaker 2: been here with me, he said, we have always been
Speaker 2: here for you. He raised his hand and guided me
Speaker 2: to the corner of this room. Suddenly a very long
Speaker 2: table appeared, and I was on one end of it,
Speaker 2: with Jesus on the other side of the table. At
Speaker 2: the other end of the table. There were three other
Speaker 2: beings on one side, one on Jesus's side of the table,
Speaker 2: and two on my side of the table. Again at
Speaker 2: the end of my side on the table. The one
Speaker 2: on the end of Jesus's side was a very tall,
Speaker 2: hooded being dressed in all white. He had one of
Speaker 2: those hoods that was tall and pointy, with the point
Speaker 2: extending upwards. Though I couldn't see this tall being's face,
Speaker 2: I could tell that he had a long beard and
Speaker 2: a book. In front of him. On the end of
Speaker 2: my side of the table, there were two beings. The
Speaker 2: one furthest from me, had the same hood and a
Speaker 2: face that was blurred so I couldn't make out his
Speaker 2: face at all. To his left a third being who
Speaker 2: was completely different, like a figure from ancient Greece or Rome.
Speaker 2: He wore a short white shirt like Tunic and had
Speaker 2: a bowl cut hairstyle with white hair and a perfect
Speaker 2: circular bald spot. All three had their own books, but
Speaker 2: this last one stood up holding his book and walked
Speaker 2: towards me. As he got closer, I suddenly remembered that
Speaker 2: I knew him. These are my friends. I knew all
Speaker 2: of them forever, even though I've never seen them before.
Speaker 2: But I understand now how unbelievable that may sound. As
Speaker 2: the Greek looking man or friend approached, I felt like
Speaker 2: I was going to hug him, but he stopped a
Speaker 2: few feet away from me and turned to face Jesus
Speaker 2: and was instantly in front of Jesus. The table at
Speaker 2: this point was not really there, or my focus was
Speaker 2: on this new scene, he showed Jesus his book and
Speaker 2: they started talking. They looked at the book together, and
Speaker 2: I became anxious all over again and wanted to see
Speaker 2: what they were looking at as before. As soon as
Speaker 2: I thought that, I was instantly there beside them, but
Speaker 2: couldn't hear what they were saying or see anything in
Speaker 2: the open book, my position returned to where I had
Speaker 2: been before. Being near them, I was really nervous again,
Speaker 2: thinking I don't know what's going on here, and I'm
Speaker 2: probably about to get it.
Speaker 1: At some point.
Speaker 2: When they were finished the being walked away and Jesus
Speaker 2: turned to me and opened his arms. When he did that, wow,
Speaker 2: a brilliant, blinding light poured out of him, pure love,
Speaker 2: and it just hit me in the chest like a
Speaker 2: freight train. It was pure love. Again, this is emotional
Speaker 2: for me. It was overwhelming when he did that, no judgment,
Speaker 2: just compassion. I felt like a little baby being held.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I was doing, maybe kneeling or whatever,
Speaker 2: but he reached down and pulled me right up and
Speaker 2: out and out of where I was at that point,
Speaker 2: and we just merged into each other. At that moment,
Speaker 2: I saw every detail of his face every strand of
Speaker 2: his hair. We became one. There are no words to
Speaker 2: the amount of love, peace, and joy that he showed me.
Speaker 2: It felt like he was hugging a little infant. That's
Speaker 2: what it felt like. At that point, I felt I
Speaker 2: knew him forever. There were no questions to ask, nothing
Speaker 2: to talk about, like I just knew him and.
Speaker 1: He knew me completely.
Speaker 2: Now, when the light hit me, a lot of things
Speaker 2: were removed from me, mostly the fear. The fear was
Speaker 2: all gone, erased, my past, my guilt, my bad habits
Speaker 2: were gone too, as if they never existed. For example,
Speaker 2: I used to drink a lot. For many years after
Speaker 2: that moment, I never drank again. It's not like I
Speaker 2: wanted to quit or didn't want to drink. It was
Speaker 2: more as if that part of me never existed, like
Speaker 2: I never drank before. It was strange because I knew
Speaker 2: I used to drink a lot, but it was as
Speaker 2: if I never drank, didn't know what it tasted like
Speaker 2: In things like this. Now, I don't have a problem
Speaker 2: with people drinking around me, and I know it's hard.
Speaker 2: I know how hard it is for people to stop drinking.
Speaker 2: But for me, that all got completely erased, But the
Speaker 2: most important thing that was taken away was the fear.
Speaker 2: When I think about it, everything negative is rooted in fear,
Speaker 2: and when the fear was gone, everything else disappears to me.
Speaker 2: Anything that is controlled by God is peace, joy and love,
Speaker 2: but anything controlled by fear is negative, like hatred, etc.
Speaker 1: I would say this loss of fear.
Speaker 2: Is related to my understanding that I am not my
Speaker 2: body and that reality outside of this physical world. I
Speaker 2: realize that we are not our physical selves. Our spirit
Speaker 2: is having a human experience, but we are not this
Speaker 2: body or our thoughts or our experiences. You can say
Speaker 2: that we are spirits created in the image of our creator.
Speaker 2: After this experience, in realizing all this, it's as if
Speaker 2: I'm a new person, like i'd been reset. Fear, anger, judgment,
Speaker 2: none of it lived in me anymore. It doesn't control
Speaker 2: me like it used to. I now enjoy life more
Speaker 2: and return to more of who I was meant to
Speaker 2: be and who I used to be in life. I
Speaker 2: became more loving, innocent, and childlike. After that, something happened,
Speaker 2: and I know Jesus and I had a conversation, but
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, and I don't think I was
Speaker 2: allowed to remember that. Next thing I do remember was
Speaker 2: walking out of the cabin with Jesus through the doorframe.
Speaker 1: We turned to the.
Speaker 2: Left and stepped onto a stone pathway made of what
Speaker 2: looked like golden glass. It was alive with this light
Speaker 2: shining out. But it's so difficult to explain. Imagine a
Speaker 2: stone made of glass or crystal and this light inside
Speaker 2: of it just shining outward and hitting everything.
Speaker 1: The funny thing.
Speaker 2: Is is that it was all white, brilliant white, and
Speaker 2: still Jesus was brighter than anything else. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know how many shades of white there can possibly be,
Speaker 2: but he was the brightest of the brightest white there was.
Speaker 2: As we walked, I looked to the right side and
Speaker 2: saw a cabin and this person came out with a
Speaker 2: bucket of water to empty it, like they were just
Speaker 2: cleaning the house.
Speaker 1: As soon as I.
Speaker 2: Saw that, I remembered my wife, who was always cleaning,
Speaker 2: and the moment I thought of her, I was gone
Speaker 2: and instantly out of that place. And I was in
Speaker 2: my room looking at myself, but not from the ceiling,
Speaker 2: but as if I was on the wall, looking directly
Speaker 2: at my body that was still sitting one second, I
Speaker 2: was looking at it from the outside, and the next
Speaker 2: second I was in my body looking out at the
Speaker 2: wall where I just was. On that wall, I see
Speaker 2: this huge opening, a portal or tunnel going right through
Speaker 2: the wall. Unlike the one I described earlier, which was blurry,
Speaker 2: I could see this one clearly and could look right
Speaker 2: through it. I saw the blue sky and the clouds,
Speaker 2: and Jesus was standing outside of that space in the
Speaker 2: physical room with me. But there were also two other
Speaker 2: beings still in the portal or tunnel, one on the
Speaker 2: left and another one on the right further back into
Speaker 2: the tunnel. Jesus was standing there right in front of me,
Speaker 2: and he said this, Remember, all that truly matters is love.
Speaker 2: Love is the only thing that's real. And these were
Speaker 2: his last words to me. And then the portal slowly
Speaker 2: got smaller and smaller until it closed up. The portal
Speaker 2: and Jesus were gone, And here I was just sitting
Speaker 2: on my bed, feeling kind of silly now because I
Speaker 2: was just staring at this plain wall, scanning it, waiting
Speaker 2: for it to open again so I can get out
Speaker 2: of there. I still had no idea of who I
Speaker 2: really was or why I was there, and it took
Speaker 2: months to adjust to this, to adjust to this world
Speaker 2: again and who I was as Luis. For some time,
Speaker 2: I would just break down weeping, especially when I thought
Speaker 2: of Jesus. Sometimes I would just pull over my car
Speaker 2: until I could get it together. This physical world just
Speaker 2: didn't feel real anymore, not like that one. Now, several
Speaker 2: years later, the biggest thing for me is that I
Speaker 2: see beauty of creation, the divine in everything. Wow, that
Speaker 2: was some serious goosebump action right there at the end
Speaker 2: story meeting Jesus literally dissolving into him and becoming one thing.
Speaker 2: And then what they said earlier about like, you know,
Speaker 2: he was looking for God and they're like God's everything,
Speaker 2: God's everywhere, Like just there isn't a place that isn't God.
Speaker 2: It's funny how he just didn't want to accept that,
Speaker 2: you know, because we all have this image of what
Speaker 2: God is or who God is, or what God should
Speaker 2: look like or whatever, right because we're made in His image,
Speaker 2: you know, so the Bible says. But whenever you find
Speaker 2: out that literally there isn't a thing that isn't God,
Speaker 2: that's what those beings were telling him. They were like,
Speaker 2: look around, dude, there he is there, he is there,
Speaker 2: he is there, he is he's over there, he's back there,
Speaker 2: over there, so wild and so it says that a
Speaker 2: little background information. Obviously, this is a male's name is Louise.
Speaker 2: It occurred in late twenty nineteen, so not that long ago.
Speaker 2: A lot of these are like twenty thirty forty years back.
Speaker 2: So it's awesome to get like a new one that
Speaker 2: happened a little bit more recently. And a lot of
Speaker 2: times people they need time to sit with this information.
Speaker 2: They're not just gonna have an NDE and then the
Speaker 2: next day go to NDERF dot org and document it.
Speaker 2: Like sometimes people hold on to these stories because they
Speaker 2: don't know what.
Speaker 1: To do with the information, you know.
Speaker 2: They they don't want to tell anybody because those people
Speaker 2: are gonna think that they're crazy, you know. They they
Speaker 2: think that even whenever they think about it, that they're crazy,
Speaker 2: and that's not fair, you know. So, yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: that's Louise man. What a story. Wow, we have another
Speaker 2: one here. This is from Bristol. So somebody named Bristol
Speaker 2: who had a near death experience. So I was thrust
Speaker 2: suddenly into the darkness of space. I could distantly perceive
Speaker 2: nebula and other cosmic structures. I could not remember where
Speaker 2: I had come from, who I had been, or what
Speaker 2: my earthly identity was. It I felt immense relief, bordering
Speaker 2: on sense of luxury. I cannot exaggerate the bliss I
Speaker 2: felt in this place. See, sometimes you'll get you'll get
Speaker 2: stories that start right into the nd Sometimes you get like,
Speaker 2: you know, what what transpired that that caused the NDE,
Speaker 2: And so maybe we'll find out a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: reading on about exactly what caused the NDE. But I
Speaker 2: like the ones that get.
Speaker 1: Ready to it. It's like super action packed in that way.
Speaker 1: So goes.
Speaker 2: I was approached by an incorporeal being who communicated with
Speaker 2: me about my situation. This being had no form. I
Speaker 2: could recognize my ability to perceive. It was emotional rather
Speaker 2: than visual. I it occupied the entire expanse of reality.
Speaker 2: I got the sense that it was an amalgamation of everything.
Speaker 2: It gave me a gentle ultimatum. I was on the
Speaker 2: threshold of life and I had to decide if I
Speaker 2: was ready to be done. They explained how rare it
Speaker 2: was for me to have this choice. Most people are
Speaker 2: thrust into this space so forcefully that they do not
Speaker 2: get the option to remain living. They asked me to
Speaker 2: consider carefully, so I inquired about my options. They revealed
Speaker 2: the system of incarnation of the incarnation cycle. We remain
Speaker 2: in stasis as immortal incorporeal beings outside of animation when
Speaker 2: we are not living. Although we are distinguishable as spirits,
Speaker 2: the overwhelming feeling was of continuity between us. We are
Speaker 2: all energetically intertwined into essentially a big us. The entity
Speaker 2: communicating with me described how we are given a turn
Speaker 2: at animation. Each of us is placed in waiting for
Speaker 2: animation depending on our length of stasis and the qualities
Speaker 2: of time that were spent in previous animations. If we
Speaker 2: had been in stasis for a while and had endeavored
Speaker 2: to make our previous lives significant, we would be more
Speaker 2: worthy of reanimation. The Greater Power indicated that spirits whose
Speaker 2: actions in their previous lives were so heinous, so filled
Speaker 2: with evil and destruction, were placed very far away. Effectively,
Speaker 2: they were suspended from reincarnation for a very long time
Speaker 2: to ponder their involvement in the cycle. Wow interesting, I inquired,
Speaker 2: what would happen if I chose to remain in this
Speaker 2: place and not to return to my body. I still
Speaker 2: couldn't remember who I'd been on earth. The Being told
Speaker 2: me I was welcome to do that, but I would
Speaker 2: be I would be placed in the back of the line,
Speaker 2: so to speak. I would not get another chance at life.
Speaker 2: For a long time, I wondered if I if I
Speaker 2: had to return as the person I had been, or
Speaker 2: if I could return as someone else. The Being and
Speaker 2: for me that we are not given a choice regarding
Speaker 2: the material identity we inhabit. When new consciousness begins in
Speaker 2: a new person, a spirit is wedded to that body.
Speaker 2: As spirits, we only have the choice to be wedded,
Speaker 2: not to whom we are wedded. Those who forego this
Speaker 2: decision returned to the back of the line any or
Speaker 2: as such, My person was not yet dead, and I
Speaker 2: still had the chance to be returned and wedded to
Speaker 2: her body again. What an interesting way of putting it,
Speaker 2: wedded to the the two and one, the spirit and
Speaker 2: the flesh. I love that it's written like that.
Speaker 1: It's so cool.
Speaker 2: I inquired about this system. I asked many questions, such as,
Speaker 2: why was animation so important? What was going on here?
Speaker 2: Why didn't we all just remain in this calm, blissful
Speaker 2: space all the time. What was the point of violence
Speaker 2: in life? The Being showed me that life was important
Speaker 2: because it is how stories take place. They demonstrated points
Speaker 2: in the universe of intense warmth. I realized they were
Speaker 2: indicating planets that radiated intense heat in a way that
Speaker 2: I cannot entirely describe. It was magnetic, filled with music
Speaker 2: and voices, and felt warm to the core. I saw
Speaker 2: many planets, very distant from each other, and each with
Speaker 2: distinct forms of being. I immediately understood that there were
Speaker 2: definitely aliens occurring throughout the universe. I also recognized many
Speaker 2: other spirits drifting around these planets and rapt attention of
Speaker 2: the beings and their activities. The space time divided between
Speaker 2: us ensured that they could not perceive us, and we
Speaker 2: could not interfere with them. We could only respond to
Speaker 2: intense emotion with our own wow. We were not allowed
Speaker 2: to speak directly to the beings. Currently living music was
Speaker 2: the language by which we communicated, My God, this is awesome. Uh.
Speaker 2: The Being told me that that these plays, these were
Speaker 2: the places that sustained us throughout the entire universe. We
Speaker 2: as spirits. As spirits warmed ourselves at these quote unquote fires.
Speaker 2: Without them, we would slumber too long and never strive
Speaker 2: or struggle to achieve anything more. Living was about interacting
Speaker 2: with each other and discovering indelible truths about ourselves. We
Speaker 2: each get a turn to struggle and strive, nourishing one
Speaker 2: another and in doing so, growing the cosmos. Part of
Speaker 2: the responsibility of living was to live in a way
Speaker 2: that enticed the slumbering spirits to want to struggle. This
Speaker 2: was one justification, justification for uh for why people who
Speaker 2: purposely hurt and destroyed were relegated to extended stasis. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a punishment. It was a way to give rest
Speaker 2: to a spirit that clearly did not like life and
Speaker 2: needed more time to see for itself why the struggle
Speaker 2: was worthwhile. My God, looking at it that way is
Speaker 2: so interesting. So the being concluded, I had a choice
Speaker 2: to make. Would I choose to return to my body
Speaker 2: and struggle for the remaining decades of her life, or
Speaker 2: would I leave early and enjoy the bliss here again.
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember who she had been, but I could
Speaker 2: recall that her life had been filled with this intense pain.
Speaker 2: At that point, I felt an intense surge of empathy
Speaker 2: for whoever I had been. I realized the distinction between
Speaker 2: ourselves and the way I, as her spirit, had done
Speaker 2: her injustice. I could feel how curmudgeonly, judgmental, and rigid
Speaker 2: I had been, and how much I tried to force
Speaker 2: her and everyone around her to be the way I wanted.
Speaker 2: I was overtaken by the sense that I was meant
Speaker 2: to inhabit her in a way that helped her connect
Speaker 2: to others rather than push them away. I felt deep
Speaker 2: about leaving her with so little to show for her
Speaker 2: time alive. I decided I wanted to go back. Immediately,
Speaker 2: the being in my spirit sprang into action to find
Speaker 2: my body. We had to move through many spaces to
Speaker 2: locate Earth. I first recognized the Milky Way, then the
Speaker 2: edge of one of its arms, and finally the Solar System.
Speaker 2: We found Earth. The being could manipulate material. Although we
Speaker 2: had found Earth, it was not Earth as it is now.
Speaker 2: The being had to manipulate the rotation and placement of
Speaker 2: the planet to arrive at the correct time period. Well,
Speaker 2: this is a really awesome one. It had me watch
Speaker 2: as it revolved Earth, and I was supposed to indicate
Speaker 2: when to stop. I watched the surface of the planet
Speaker 2: as if it were the size of a basketball. The
Speaker 2: landscape went through many permutations. I saw many continental configurations,
Speaker 2: from Colombia to Rodinia, to Pangaea, to gon Gondwana to Amsia,
Speaker 2: and and I watched as mountains formed and crumbled, and
Speaker 2: oceans grew and faded. Eventually, the creatures on land began
Speaker 2: to appear familiar, strange geometric structure. Structures began to form
Speaker 2: on the surface, growing upward before collapsing. I realized I
Speaker 2: was seeing towns and cities being built. I saw great
Speaker 2: temples rise, and I saw ships on the water. Oddly,
Speaker 2: I could not recognize the place from the arrangement of
Speaker 2: the land as I do now. It felt like I
Speaker 2: had a phasia. I could only orient myself by the
Speaker 2: shapes of the bodies of water. When the Pacific Ocean
Speaker 2: emerged in its current form, I felt a pang of
Speaker 2: homesickness and realized that it was the time of my life.
Speaker 2: The being stopped moving the earth, and I was allowed
Speaker 2: to begin my journey back. I first quote unquote landed
Speaker 2: in the middle of the ocean and proceeded east until
Speaker 2: I encountered the West Coast. I followed the coast starting
Speaker 2: around Mexico until I arrived at the Columbia River. I
Speaker 2: felt an intense squishing with each distinction, and the focus
Speaker 2: of space time began to lapse around me, causing me
Speaker 2: to lose the sense of gigantism associated with being a spirit.
Speaker 2: I crawled and swam up to the Columbia River until
Speaker 2: I reached the Williamette River. I knew I was very close.
Speaker 2: I followed the Williamette River until it crossed the path
Speaker 2: of the Fremont Bridge and I eighty four. I knew
Speaker 2: that if I could follow this, I would find the
Speaker 2: hospital where I was. I had to cling to the
Speaker 2: ground to keep from flying away because the planet was
Speaker 2: moving so swiftly. Everything was silent and still. Although I
Speaker 2: could see much activity, I was not yet living, so
Speaker 2: my perception was filled with the sense of rest and stasis.
Speaker 2: I found her body as she was being laid on
Speaker 2: a gurney. I ran to her and jumped in. Just
Speaker 2: as her head touched the bed, my consciousness returned. I
Speaker 2: was extremely hot and sweaty. The world was filled with intensity.
Speaker 2: I could feel a trillion fires in my body, contrasted
Speaker 2: by the freezing cold of the rest of the room.
Speaker 2: I could feel cells burning to fuel my existence. The
Speaker 2: entire atmosphere was pressing upon me and into my lungs,
Speaker 2: the pressure of gravity pulling me down in nerves, electrically
Speaker 2: stinging my brain. I had forgotten how violent and animation was.
Speaker 2: I recalled the union at our first berth, and I
Speaker 2: remembered how violent life felt.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 2: This felt like another birth, but this time I knew
Speaker 2: my person and I was elated to be back with her.
Speaker 2: I could distinctly feel the difference between my Earth person
Speaker 2: and me as a spirit. My Earth person was a
Speaker 2: fully formed woman with an identity separate from my own.
Speaker 2: I could feel where I ended and she began. She
Speaker 2: was wildly alarmed, but her brain was cool and tingly
Speaker 2: from the sensation. It felt like the best sleep of
Speaker 2: our lives. The distinguishment is crazy, right like it goes
Speaker 2: from me as the spirit to my Earth person.
Speaker 1: Now it's our lives. I love it.
Speaker 2: Many things began happening. We were taken to the back
Speaker 2: and hooked up to machines. Eventually, our reality began to
Speaker 2: collapse back together into the way it had been making
Speaker 2: it hard to distinguish once from the other. A doctor
Speaker 2: came in to ask if we could use the restroom.
Speaker 2: She we felt that we were still capable of doing
Speaker 2: everything we normally could. We acknowledged and tried to stand
Speaker 2: once more, still getting used to the we thing as
Speaker 2: like my spirit and my body.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 2: Immediately I was thrust back into the darkness of space.
Speaker 2: The being was there to meet me. Many things began happening.
Speaker 2: We were taken to the back and hooked up to
Speaker 2: the machines. Eventually, our reality began to collapse back together
Speaker 2: into the way it had been, making it hard to
Speaker 2: distinguish one state from the other. A doctor came in
Speaker 2: to ask if we could use the restroom. She we
Speaker 2: felt that we were still capable of doing everything we
Speaker 2: normally could. We acknowledged and tried to stand once more.
Speaker 2: Immediately I was thrust back into the darkness of space.
Speaker 2: The being was there to meet me.
Speaker 1: This time.
Speaker 2: The tone of the interaction was more grave and intense.
Speaker 2: They told me I was not supposed to be back.
Speaker 2: They said, I was very close to losing my chance.
Speaker 2: This it's meant and my Earth person was very close
Speaker 2: to death, and I needed to decide if I was
Speaker 2: going to fight for her or not. I assured the
Speaker 2: being that I was more than committed. We found earth again,
Speaker 2: and I went through the entire journey to locate my
Speaker 2: body from the ocean to the gurney, but this time
Speaker 2: with haste, worry, and with the efficiency of having done
Speaker 2: it before. When I found my body, she was being
Speaker 2: held by two men who were shouting. She was limp,
Speaker 2: and my heart broke for her as I saw her
Speaker 2: head dangling lifelessly backwards. I dove back into her body,
Speaker 2: and animation once again thrust upon me. As I felt
Speaker 2: the searing coldness of life, I was covered in sweat
Speaker 2: and my heart raised in a way that truly scared me.
Speaker 2: I was put back on the gurney by a team
Speaker 2: of people quickly attending to my situation. I was given
Speaker 2: a catheter and experienced the odd sensation of organic tubes
Speaker 2: connecting with inorganic ones. I was rushed to a full
Speaker 2: body machine for scanning, then hurried through hallways to an
Speaker 2: operating room. I remember seeing the operating surgeon and was
Speaker 2: relieved to discover that it was a woman, and anesthetic
Speaker 2: was administered and I was asked to count down. At
Speaker 2: the number seven, I stopped and asked her if she
Speaker 2: the surgeon, had any daughters. She said yes, and relieved,
Speaker 2: I saw black. When I woke the next day, I
Speaker 2: had retained all of my memories, along with the exquisite
Speaker 2: feelings of eternal slumber and the unmistakable sense of distinction,
Speaker 2: of distinction between my spirit self and my material self.
Speaker 2: I tried to contact the being and the big Us
Speaker 2: that I knew was out there watching, but I could
Speaker 2: not get a clear response. I knew there was a barrier.
Speaker 2: I gave thanks to it and to us, and made
Speaker 2: a mental effort to send love to those watching. Thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you, my ravaged, yellow weak body said,
Speaker 2: And so began my new life with my material person.
Speaker 2: I have never regretted returning, and I have never since
Speaker 2: idealized leaving this waking world.
Speaker 1: I am so thrilled to be here. Wow.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that there could be another story that
Speaker 2: could top the first one that we read. But they
Speaker 2: just keep on geting better, right, And I don't even
Speaker 2: I don't even think that's the right way of even
Speaker 2: saying it. None of these are better than any of
Speaker 2: the other ones. But just man some of the realizations,
Speaker 2: and you know, I mean you feel like you're listening
Speaker 2: and like watching a movie. Like if you're somebody that
Speaker 2: can picture all of this.
Speaker 1: Going on in your mind.
Speaker 2: You know, whenever you're reading, reading a story or reading
Speaker 2: a book or something, and you can picture it in
Speaker 2: your mind right, like, man, you can really get the
Speaker 2: idea of what is going on as it's transpiring and everything.
Speaker 1: So cool. But this person was a female.
Speaker 2: Her name was Bristol, and this NDE actually happened in
Speaker 2: June of twenty twenty four, very recent, and it talks
Speaker 2: about all the different elements and she said, yes, it
Speaker 2: was very entirely present. Her thoughts were not sped up.
Speaker 2: And they asked.
Speaker 1: Her, were your senses more vivid than usual?
Speaker 2: And she said yes, more vivid than usual, and plenty
Speaker 2: of other questions that they asked her and everything.
Speaker 1: But wow, what a story. See you can make them
Speaker 1: like movies.
Speaker 2: From all of these, I feel like just so so awesome.
Speaker 2: This last one that we're going to read for the
Speaker 2: night is from Johnny who had a near death experience.
Speaker 2: This is another exceptional one that they label as exceptional,
Speaker 2: And this is an interesting one because he writes down
Speaker 2: his entire experience, and then I guess he comes back
Speaker 2: days or weeks or months later and then.
Speaker 1: Updates it a little bit.
Speaker 2: And so the the people that run the site, I
Speaker 2: guess they decided to include the emails with his updates
Speaker 2: that we're going to get to in different realizations, because
Speaker 2: you know, whenever you write something down, or you type something,
Speaker 2: or you talk about it, the story becomes a little
Speaker 2: bit more crystallized in your mind and it's not so
Speaker 2: fleeting anymore, like if you ever. That's why they say,
Speaker 2: like documenting your dreams really helps because whenever you document it,
Speaker 2: you're more likely to remember it. Otherwise it's just going
Speaker 2: to be fleeting in your not really gonna know what
Speaker 2: to do with the information, so then it just passes.
Speaker 2: But these people, you know, they're able to remember more
Speaker 2: details the more they document it.
Speaker 1: And that's what he did.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get to those letters or those emails
Speaker 2: that he wrote back after the fact.
Speaker 1: But this is his story, he.
Speaker 2: Goes, I had been very ill with TWAR, a bacterial
Speaker 2: lung disease, for about a year. When this happened, I
Speaker 2: could walk or be active for only about ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I had a fever for three weeks. I was always
Speaker 2: exhausted and it was difficult to breathe.
Speaker 1: I had to.
Speaker 2: I had the constant feeling of suffocation. It scared my
Speaker 2: wife how I sounded when I was sitting and sleeping.
Speaker 2: It became less stressful to sleep sitting up in my
Speaker 2: own room. My professional life up until then had been
Speaker 2: working with psychotherapy, crisis is supervisors, among other things, in hospice, healthcare,
Speaker 2: social services, and other things. Coming from an upbringing where
Speaker 2: there was a lot of death around me, this experience
Speaker 2: laid the foundation for a lifelong interest in the research
Speaker 2: of NDEs. I read a lot on the subject. I
Speaker 2: had been lectures and etc. I wondered what it's like
Speaker 2: to die and what happens next. After research, it may
Speaker 2: feel like I knew a little how it would turn out.
Speaker 2: One October evening, about ten years ago, despite medication, I
Speaker 2: couldn't breathe. In the panic that followed, I took the
Speaker 2: wrong medicine and my breathing stopped. I panicked because I
Speaker 2: couldn't call for help. It was the scariest moment of
Speaker 2: my life. Then I felt my heart stop beating. There
Speaker 2: was complete silence in my chest. And I gave up.
Speaker 2: Everything became still. I was completely mesmerized by a giant
Speaker 2: face starting to appear on the ceiling. It smiled lovingly
Speaker 2: and warming at me, warmly at me. It sank towards me,
Speaker 2: or I floated up towards it. I don't know which
Speaker 2: it was. Suddenly I was in a vibrating, vivid, incredibly
Speaker 2: bright landscape. It was brighter than anything I'd ever experienced.
Speaker 2: I experienced a sense of home that was of such
Speaker 2: a magnitude it was impossible to explain it.
Speaker 1: It was as if my whole.
Speaker 2: Life had been a dream and I had woke up
Speaker 2: from it. Everything was so much more real and so homelike.
Speaker 2: I had come home and I was so happy. And
Speaker 2: even that is impossible to explain. How do you describe
Speaker 2: a happiness that is a million times stronger than when
Speaker 2: you had your first child. It doesn't work in human language.
Speaker 2: I've had that experience a couple of times, actually, and
Speaker 2: you feel bad even admitting it, because you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: like this guy's describing something that you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: you never want to say that an experience is more
Speaker 2: profound than even your first your child, you know, But
Speaker 2: It's indescribable, and you know it feels wrong saying that,
Speaker 2: but that's the only thing that you can do to
Speaker 2: express the depth of the thing that happened. You know,
Speaker 2: I felt filled with everything. In connection with that. There
Speaker 2: was a figure of light who was so bright that
Speaker 2: I couldn't see the facial features. He knew everything about me.
Speaker 2: By that, I really mean everything. He knew the ugliest
Speaker 2: thing I thought and the nicest thing I did. He
Speaker 2: knew it all. Yet I felt loved. He asked what
Speaker 2: I had done with my life. Then everything that happened
Speaker 2: in my life was replayed. I lived it again. Since
Speaker 2: I was fifty seven years at the time, it was
Speaker 2: fifty seven years that passed in an instant. I got
Speaker 2: to see every moment from my perspective and also from
Speaker 2: the other person's perspective. You hear that a lot. Hear
Speaker 2: it a lot, not just from your own perspective, but
Speaker 2: from everybody else. It was excruciating at times, and I
Speaker 2: felt a great pang of selfishness and self absorption from
Speaker 2: me despodant I said I had failed, But the light
Speaker 2: figure said, with an almost humorous warmth in his voice,
Speaker 2: nothing was wrong.
Speaker 1: Everything was perfect. As it should be.
Speaker 2: He said that I was human and as such it
Speaker 2: is not possible to do everything right. It was about
Speaker 2: learning that love and its consequences mean everything. I was
Speaker 2: so liberate and happy. Then he asked me if I
Speaker 2: had any questions. I asked about war, environmental destruction, evil
Speaker 2: and everything I have reflected on during my life. As
Speaker 2: the questions went along, it was as if I changed.
Speaker 2: I understood more, until I felt like I understood everything,
Speaker 2: which was that everything is as it should be, everything
Speaker 2: will be fined. I understood that it was so. It
Speaker 2: was like I swelled, got bigger. Everything was getting brighter.
Speaker 2: My experience is that we had endless time together. Everything
Speaker 2: was eternal. Then he told me I was going back
Speaker 2: and I'd get well. Until then I had thought nothing
Speaker 2: of my family or children. Then it was like being
Speaker 2: sucked through a narrow tube at extreme speed. I was
Speaker 2: lying in my body in the fetal position. The sun
Speaker 2: shone in through the blinds. I had the happiest morning
Speaker 2: I have ever experienced. I ran happily down to my
Speaker 2: wife as I felt that now I must tell everyone
Speaker 2: how it really is. Everything will be fine. My wife
Speaker 2: was sad when she realized what had happened. She was
Speaker 2: not happy like me. After a few confusing weeks, I
Speaker 2: started to learn what I know now that even if
Speaker 2: I know how it will be, it cannot be explained.
Speaker 2: It's like describing a destination but only getting to use
Speaker 2: two letters in the story. It has been extremely difficult
Speaker 2: to live with at times. Now ten years have passed,
Speaker 2: I am permanently changed by the experience. Part of who
Speaker 2: I was there in the light remains. So I'm like
Speaker 2: a double exposure and an eternal self that knows and
Speaker 2: an ordinary person like you. So I do, like most
Speaker 2: others who have experienced this, try to show a little
Speaker 2: of that love that was my home and eternity. I
Speaker 2: tried to help others become a better person and for
Speaker 2: me to be a better person. But I know that
Speaker 2: everything will be fine in the end. Nothing in my
Speaker 2: experience was what I thought I knew before. I didn't
Speaker 2: realize how incredibly big the difference in reality here and
Speaker 2: there really is. I also didn't understand what it's like
Speaker 2: when time no longer exists. I didn't realize what it
Speaker 2: is to be completely loved and to swim around in love.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. Everyone ends up there in the end.
Speaker 2: So that's the end of that story, and then we're
Speaker 2: going to get to a couple of the updates that
Speaker 2: you have transpired since it says high again as Jeffrey.
Speaker 2: First of all, I want to thank you for what
Speaker 2: you gave me a chance to integrate and accept what
Speaker 2: happened to me. It's like a healing process that started
Speaker 2: with your questionnaire and then continued with your warm, caring
Speaker 2: answers by mail. I've taken hours and hours to write
Speaker 2: down all I remember and all I thought about it.
Speaker 2: It was, I sense, a tough process, having to deal
Speaker 2: with my life review again, but everything else was liberating. Suddenly,
Speaker 2: yesterday I came to a stop. My brain almost felt
Speaker 2: swollen of all that I tried to understand. Then, really
Speaker 2: early this morning, this happened, he goes. I just woke up.
Speaker 2: It's the change to wintertime. It is far too early.
Speaker 2: It is four thirty am. But don't dare to fall
Speaker 2: asleep again, afraid of forgetting. I was awakened by the
Speaker 2: voice I recognized from the light figure whispering in my ear.
Speaker 2: Don't try to understand, accept, don't try to understand accept.
Speaker 2: It was like a mantra that was whispered over and over.
Speaker 2: So I woke up to the sound of it. But
Speaker 2: like in my near death experience, it was in my head.
Speaker 2: That was in my head it sounded. I answered within
Speaker 2: myself that I wanted to understand. The voice laughed softly.
Speaker 2: A child can understand. The only role that you bring
Speaker 2: back with you everything is love. It's all about love.
Speaker 2: Love is the goal of all that exists, regardless of
Speaker 2: where and how it exists. When you try to understand
Speaker 2: what you experience through your mind, your logic, you limit it.
Speaker 2: When you try to understand what you have been through
Speaker 2: through your emotions, you hold it, accept it. All decisions
Speaker 2: in life need to be tested by the only valid question,
Speaker 2: am I doing this out of love? If you follow
Speaker 2: that role, you will follow your life what your life
Speaker 2: is ultimately about. Then you do what you were born
Speaker 2: to do. Everyone who comes here experiences this. They experience love.
Speaker 2: That is what they take back with them. It is
Speaker 2: the origin of all that exists. Then, the voice says,
Speaker 2: with a smile, you knew that from the beginning. Your
Speaker 2: story contains basic human behavior. You want to understand. Many
Speaker 2: will recognize themselves in your own oscillation between reason and feeling.
Speaker 2: What you need to understand is that the mind has
Speaker 2: a built in weakness. The mind confuse his emotions that
Speaker 2: lie in the primitive drives of man with emotions that
Speaker 2: originate in your origin. That is you, All of you
Speaker 2: are part of me. Love is the origin and the goal.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So that was Johnny, and he wrote in a couple
Speaker 2: more letters and kind of just trying to battle it
Speaker 2: in his own mind a little bit, not necessarily battling it,
Speaker 2: but trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: What to do with it.
Speaker 2: And just as whatever that was, the angel or God
Speaker 2: or love, if it's a thing, right, like, was communicating
Speaker 2: with him like, dude, don't even try and think deeper
Speaker 2: on it, Like you're never going to be able to
Speaker 2: fully understand it, which I thought was pretty interesting. I
Speaker 2: think that there is a way to be able to
Speaker 2: at least better understand it. I don't think we're ever
Speaker 2: going to be able to understand it all, but it's
Speaker 2: fun trying to, you know, that's my favorite thing. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean three amazing near death experiences. I mean you
Speaker 2: could see that these people were absolutely transformed in every way.
Speaker 2: I mean, the one guy stopped drinking. It was like
Speaker 2: he never had a drink in his life. The other guy, well,
Speaker 2: a couple of them both said that like, yo, all
Speaker 2: there is is love, you know, there's nothing outside of that.
Speaker 2: Everything else is just shades of gray, shades of you know,
Speaker 2: because love is on a pole, right, there's love and
Speaker 2: hate and then there's everything in between. And I think
Speaker 2: what the main goal of what they were trying to
Speaker 2: say is is that, look, there is there's not necessarily
Speaker 2: a wrong way to do it. Like you're not going
Speaker 2: to hell at least from that one experience. You just
Speaker 2: kind of get pushed back into the back of the
Speaker 2: line so that you can sit there and think about
Speaker 2: what you want to do with yourself, just as the
Speaker 2: spirit before you have, you know, eventually reincarnate again.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Like this is people's experience. It doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 2: absolutely right, doesn't mean that it's absolutely wrong. I don't think.
Speaker 2: I don't personally believe that they're just hallucinating. I don't
Speaker 2: buy that because it really does have a long lasting,
Speaker 2: very intricate.
Speaker 1: Effect on their lives. And here's my thing.
Speaker 2: If all of it is just chemicals that are shooting
Speaker 2: off in your body as you are going through this
Speaker 2: miniature death process until you inevitably return back to be
Speaker 2: able to tell the story. If that's all it is,
Speaker 2: why don't you just experience different colors? Why don't you
Speaker 2: just experience sounds, just experience things that don't matter. I mean,
Speaker 2: we go to sleep every night, they say, we dream
Speaker 2: every night. We don't remember most of the time. Why
Speaker 2: not just one of those things. Why not just an
Speaker 2: ever fleeting experience like a dream. If all it is
Speaker 2: is just chemicals that are going off, why is it
Speaker 2: shaped in anything at all? So I can accept you
Speaker 2: know that what is going on in the body. I
Speaker 2: can understand the how, but the why is the most important.
Speaker 2: Why do these people experience this? And why is it
Speaker 2: across the board, you know, the people that just have
Speaker 2: profound experiences. I think these are something that we just
Speaker 2: need to think about. And as we said earlier, we
Speaker 2: me and you, the spirit and the body, like the
Speaker 2: one person saying anyway, But as I said earlier, don't
Speaker 2: even try and compartmentalize it. I mean, contemplate it, think
Speaker 2: about it, wonder about it. But I think that this
Speaker 2: is something that can't be put into a box, just
Speaker 2: like the experience of life in general. Fascinating stuff, And
Speaker 2: like I said, I did want to do this episode,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to be doing multiple of these.
Speaker 1: Kinds of episodes frequently.
Speaker 2: These near death experience stories are too amazing not to
Speaker 2: talk about. At a certain point, you're just like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, it just excites you to even read it.
Speaker 2: It reminds you of how beautiful life is to even
Speaker 2: live in it, and how important it is to love
Speaker 2: everybody and not fight and be divided and all these things.
Speaker 2: That's what it reminds me of. So yeah, we'll see
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