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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, welcome back to another episode of JavaScript Jabber.

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<v Speaker 1>This week on our panel, I guess it's just me

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<v Speaker 1>Charles max Wood. We have a two special guests. We

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<v Speaker 1>have totally and you've been on before. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>remind people who you are?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? So, I'm a front end engineer. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>last I might have done two episodes. One of them

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<v Speaker 2>was about developer happiness and the other was about pickle JS,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an integration test in my braid that I

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<v Speaker 2>read awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have Jeff. Jeff, do you want to introduce yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who you've been on before.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't been on. I'm actually on a back

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<v Speaker 3>end engineer in SRI. Yeah, my first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is okay, now, are you a back end engineer

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<v Speaker 1>or SRE on like note stuff or not recently?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you're back in thence node but yeah, just uh

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<v Speaker 3>more more of it's been my Python and go.

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<v Speaker 1>Right m fun stuff. We also had Steve Edwards join us,

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<v Speaker 1>So welcome Steve.

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<v Speaker 4>How you doing? How you doing?

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<v Speaker 5>All right? Well, we're gonna we're gonna get rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>We okay, good, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>We're live.

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<v Speaker 4>Now MEMORYX We're live. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, So really quickly we brought you guys on

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the leak code meet up that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys do.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess it's in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking at the website and it says

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<v Speaker 1>that this so, so I guess we should probably start

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<v Speaker 1>with what it is, but I want to get the

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<v Speaker 1>story because it looks.

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<v Speaker 5>Like you totally bothed.

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<v Speaker 1>A both that kind of got things started.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So somewhere around March, I got fired from drop

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<v Speaker 2>Box and I started looking for jobs. And unlike all

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<v Speaker 2>these prior years I've been a software engineer for about

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen years, front end engineers never really had to do

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<v Speaker 2>leak code. We just had a little take home exercise

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<v Speaker 2>or my Cota React opponent. And I started applying for jobs,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, there's just all these lead

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<v Speaker 2>code questions. So I want on a few interviews, just

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<v Speaker 2>completely vomiting. And I started studying for lead code at

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<v Speaker 2>that point and it was just so arduous, so boring. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was making no progress whatsoever. So I went on

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<v Speaker 2>this tech forum called blind, which is basically where big

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<v Speaker 2>tech people hang out, and I posted like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for some lead code Buddies in New York City,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had some overwhelming response, over one hundred comments

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<v Speaker 2>to that post saying like, hey, you know, I'm interested,

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<v Speaker 2>And from that, I just started a discord group to

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<v Speaker 2>get everybody organized and we had our first meetup, which

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<v Speaker 2>was probably about thirty people.

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<v Speaker 5>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have to admit I'm kind of in the

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<v Speaker 1>same boat that you were talking about not necessarily seeing

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<v Speaker 1>leak code questions come up, but I've never done anything

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<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 5>So what is leak code?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so basically it's algorithm data science questions, something that

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<v Speaker 2>you would learn in computer science and college, and for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, it doesn't really come up in most

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<v Speaker 2>engineers' lives on their day to day job, certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>a front end engineers. But why do companies ask these

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of questions? Because they do. And at first I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't really get it, like it seemed, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>lazy and counterintuitive, But then I started to understand why.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately they receive hundreds of applications for each position and

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<v Speaker 2>they need some way to filter those candidates because they

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<v Speaker 2>all come from good companies. Now they can say whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they want on their resume, but ultimately, what leap code

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<v Speaker 2>does is It gives a somewhat quantitative measure of can

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<v Speaker 2>you at least use logic to solve a problem? And

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<v Speaker 2>as I started doing more leap code, I started seeing like, okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I could see how you know, it links back to

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<v Speaker 2>general problem solving, ability, communication skills, et cetera. I still

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<v Speaker 2>don't like it, but I could see why it's useful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I've done where I'm at in my company,

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<v Speaker 6>been in charge of doing some hiring for hiring a

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<v Speaker 6>number of developers, and we.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sort of a two edge sword.

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<v Speaker 6>And as in that as a developer, it's an applicant.

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<v Speaker 4>I hate them. I hate them.

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<v Speaker 6>They've cost me jobs before, you know, And unfortunately in

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<v Speaker 6>the case, it was my issue was that it was

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<v Speaker 6>so different doing it the way you do it during

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<v Speaker 6>an application process, during an interview, versus how you would do.

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<v Speaker 4>It in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>So, for instance, you know, if I'm programming view or

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<v Speaker 6>Lara Belle, some of the other tools I've got my

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<v Speaker 6>ide I've got a debugger set up, I've got you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm at for tools that I can use to help

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<v Speaker 6>me work through a problem. Where if I'm doing a

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<v Speaker 6>test online. In this case, it was like a task

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<v Speaker 6>pad type of thing where somebody's sitting there watching.

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<v Speaker 4>Me and m coding.

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<v Speaker 6>I have no debugger, I've got nothing to help me

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<v Speaker 6>that I don't normally have, and it's like, how is

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<v Speaker 6>this applicable? You know, But at the same time, coming

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<v Speaker 6>in front, coming at it from the other side, we

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<v Speaker 6>use a different platform. We didn't use leak code. My

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<v Speaker 6>boss had looked at lead code and we had gone

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<v Speaker 6>with another one where we come up with our own

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<v Speaker 6>tests and they have a pool of questions a week

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<v Speaker 6>and assign them and we would use that and we

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<v Speaker 6>have a minimum score, you know that they had to

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<v Speaker 6>have nothing really high, but it would filter out a

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<v Speaker 6>decent amount of people and then the ones that we've

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<v Speaker 6>hired did really well on it.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's pros and cons.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess it just depends on what side of the

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<v Speaker 6>equation you're on when you're when you're having to use this,

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<v Speaker 6>it's I don't think it. You can certainly get people

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<v Speaker 6>who could pass the tests and then don't do well.

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<v Speaker 6>One thing we ran into this is so funny, was

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<v Speaker 6>one of the things that the platform that we used.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's test dont tells you how long it

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<v Speaker 6>took him to pass the test. And we looked at

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<v Speaker 6>one guy and it was like, you know, thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>We're like.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, So we start hunting around and sure enough, you

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<v Speaker 6>can find us on GitHub with the answers to test

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<v Speaker 6>from this to this particular question from this particular platform.

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<v Speaker 6>And so it's literally copy and paste. Now, if I

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<v Speaker 6>was to do that, I would still type it in

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<v Speaker 6>manually to take up the appropriate amount of times just

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<v Speaker 6>copy paste, but this guy decided to, uh yeah, just

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<v Speaker 6>copy paste and got.

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<v Speaker 4>It that way. So anyway, sorry, my two cents there

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<v Speaker 4>on on what you were just talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, before you respond to what Steve's talking about, Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>what how did you get involved in all this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So yeah, I mean I maybe as a back

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<v Speaker 3>end dev. I have done leek code problems earlier on

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<v Speaker 3>in my career, but for interviews. But I do feel

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<v Speaker 3>like it's shifted a little bit too, where you know,

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<v Speaker 3>sort of undergraduate level algorithms and data structures, you kind

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<v Speaker 3>of just needed to know that stuff, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>like a gate for that. But because there's more and

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<v Speaker 3>more applicants and there's more and more of a need

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<v Speaker 3>to filter. They've just they've just constrained the time that

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<v Speaker 3>you have and you have to sort of do slightly

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<v Speaker 3>more convoluted problems. It's still the same data structures, but

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<v Speaker 3>more convluted, less time, more convluted, less time, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it's just become this, yeah, this very time constrained performance

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<v Speaker 3>fast and actually to your point, like I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>you actually have to code a little differently because there

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<v Speaker 3>really isn't time and in like an hour in some cases,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty minutes you have to solve some of

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<v Speaker 3>these and so like you really have to you can't

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<v Speaker 3>afford to need to debug your code. Really you have

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to just have your answer be mostly

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<v Speaker 3>right the first time you write it, which is so

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<v Speaker 3>different from the normal process of how I would actually work,

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<v Speaker 3>where you like you re write it, or you write it,

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<v Speaker 3>you write an initial version, you kind of think through it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oftentimes the first version I write of something is is

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<v Speaker 3>I'll rewrite it. That's like part of the process. But

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like in some of these interviews. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to approach it differently because there isn't time for

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just a very different it's a very different

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I guess I kind of take the

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<v Speaker 3>respect of like, well, I'm gonna have to do these

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<v Speaker 3>It's like every field has their arbitrary gatekeeping that they do.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're like a doctor, you're there's like almost hazing

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<v Speaker 3>that people have to put up with, so like enter that. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>our own form of hazing sort of arise. Is like

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, yeah, So did.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff, I'm curious, did you see the I'm gonna kind

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<v Speaker 1>of ask it a different way.

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<v Speaker 5>So did you see Totally's post? Is that how you

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<v Speaker 5>got involved in the group?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Or so, I'm I'm somewhat new to New York.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went on meetup dot com and so totally

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<v Speaker 3>is saw it on meetup and then started attending, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I met a bunch of like very people who are

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<v Speaker 3>to just like come in and do the just come

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<v Speaker 3>in every week, do the work, which is like, I, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I agree, it's sort of not fun work. But it's

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<v Speaker 3>like I realized, like I'm going to get more and

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<v Speaker 3>more of these as things as time goes on, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta get good at it. So yeah, it's good.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, so going back to the original discussion,

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've been given all kinds of sample problems, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Some of them are helpful and some of them are not.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it sounds like the platform is a little

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<v Speaker 2>Guess there's like a few things that are hard to

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<v Speaker 2>work with, not just missing an ID, but the whole style, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get to use a debugger. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>probably different files. But that's just not really a luxury

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<v Speaker 6>they might see that, you know, seventy five percent of

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<v Speaker 6>know that, you know, look up this in PHP real quick,

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<v Speaker 6>or you know, look at this, and I'm not always

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<v Speaker 6>how you look up stuff, you know, you got to

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<v Speaker 3>out real fast without making mistakes. And it kind of yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>of that, it's like much more about, uh, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>of executes on the patterns that are in front of you,

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<v Speaker 3>versus like a creative problem solver. But yeah, especially as

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, what do you know?

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<v Speaker 6>What do you It was a discussion about standardized testing

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<v Speaker 6>in schools, where you get to the point where the

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<v Speaker 6>standardized test scores are so important for you know, getting

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<v Speaker 6>money for schools or whatever, that pretty soon teachers are

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<v Speaker 6>teaching for the test instead of the content and teaching

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<v Speaker 6>how to creatively think, how to problem solve. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>insteady are teaching, Okay, the test is looking for this

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<v Speaker 6>or we're going to teach everything so that you can

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<v Speaker 6>pass this test. Okay, great, you get past the test.

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<v Speaker 6>What has that done for you? You know, how to

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<v Speaker 6>pass that test, But has it taught you anything really

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<v Speaker 6>useful outside of that?

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, I'm kind of curious.

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<v Speaker 1>Does your group do some of that where it's more

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<v Speaker 1>strategies to pass the leak codes as opposed to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>specific I don't know, algorithms or something a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit yeah, I mean it will like for specific types

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<v Speaker 3>of problems, but it's like strategies to move quickly within.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I mean. It's so, yeah, I start teaching

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<v Speaker 5>to the tests, so to speak a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And so it's like, okay, so you know the

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<v Speaker 3>types of problems where you have like a two D

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<v Speaker 3>matrix and you need to do breath re search on

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<v Speaker 3>cells in the matrix or something. Then like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's like little like a generator Like a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>us have taken to just writing this little generator function

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<v Speaker 3>that just checks to see if the neighbors are on

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<v Speaker 3>the edge or not, and then like that's the pattern

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<v Speaker 3>we use every time we do that. Now is just

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<v Speaker 3>this little and it's just like it's a it is

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<v Speaker 3>useful to kind of learn those little subcoding patterns to

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<v Speaker 3>like be able to like rip those answers out really fast.

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<v Speaker 3>But but yeah, it's like little micro strategies to avoid

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<v Speaker 3>getting tripped up in the implementation during an interview and

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<v Speaker 3>just being able to like bang out, bang out like

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<v Speaker 3>code like that basically have mentally saved code snippets of

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<v Speaker 3>things that you can just bang out. Honestly, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 3>would be nice to have those saved in an editor

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<v Speaker 3>where you could just like put the snippet in. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to say, though, you know, as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take that moral high ground of well

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<v Speaker 2>this has nothing to do with our jobs, I am

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<v Speaker 2>starting to get a bit more appreciation. So I actually

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed for a few jobs and I failed on the

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<v Speaker 2>practical coding skills, which well no excuse there really, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason being the last two years I actually probably

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<v Speaker 2>coded thirty percent of the time, and what I coded

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<v Speaker 2>was pocs and the rest of the time I was

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<v Speaker 2>basically project management and architecture, and I completely forgot like

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<v Speaker 2>how do you code a basic component and react? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like that that is something I should know. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I started, you know, working on my own like little

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<v Speaker 2>app just for fun, and I realized like, huh, like

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<v Speaker 2>I really should know these different patterns, but like I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>and I start like going through and it feels very

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<v Speaker 2>much like leap code, where Okay, I kind of see

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<v Speaker 2>like these common patterns, like when I'm dealing with inputs,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to like pass in filters. How do I

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<v Speaker 2>pass in filters? How do I pass them back? It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a pretty common problem, but you kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to think through it a little bit the first time,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you know the pattern. So is it exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of problems that I'll be solving. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but believe it or not, I think this strategy's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of started helping me in the part of coding which

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<v Speaker 2>I do value for my job.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just more proof of the addedy use it or

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<v Speaker 4>lose it.

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<v Speaker 5>Right yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a little curious then, since this was focused

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<v Speaker 1>on I guess mastering leak codes so you could get

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<v Speaker 1>a job.

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<v Speaker 5>Did help you get a job?

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet. I actually took a break from lead code

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<v Speaker 2>and job searching for about I want to say, two months,

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<v Speaker 2>probably something like that, and yeah, a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized I have some savings and right now it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not a great market for engineers. My biggest problem

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<v Speaker 2>at work has always been, you know, a lack of

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<v Speaker 2>a personal life, lack of community. Like all my self

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<v Speaker 2>worth was pretty much invested in my job, and that

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<v Speaker 2>caused a whole bunch of different problems. So I basically

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<v Speaker 2>decided to take a few months to like build up

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some community, build up some friends, some hobbies,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I'm like sort of passively searching. Like I've

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<v Speaker 2>got an interview with Uber, Airbnb, and Stripe.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming up, the small companies on them all and pop shops.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, but yeah, like I think at this point,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I'm more in passive search mode because I rather,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, have that really stable personal base for when

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think a lot of that blind

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<v Speaker 2>culture is like you have to have a job now,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to maximize your TC and that's not necessarily.

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<v Speaker 5>The only path your TC.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, so blind, How did you describe Blind? Jeff?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in my opinion, blind's kind of a toxic environment.

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<v Speaker 3>But TC just means total compensation, and it's yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 3>very like a lot of the people on Blind are

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<v Speaker 3>all big tech workers. I mean that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 3>intention of it is. It's like you get the inside

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<v Speaker 3>scoop on some of these companies I guess as people

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<v Speaker 3>anonymously joined Blind and then talk about the company. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's sort of become this, yeah, this culture of like

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I always feel like Blind is

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<v Speaker 3>the healthiest place to go on a little bit of

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<v Speaker 3>like a I mean, I'm sure there's like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>you never really know how many people are lying about

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<v Speaker 3>what their TC is or what they're doing. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a pretty like just compensation obsessed getting the highest

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<v Speaker 3>paing job no matter what kind of thing. But and

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<v Speaker 3>then also just like very negative about the industry in general.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's very like kind of nihilistic kind of culture. Yep,

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<v Speaker 3>like everything sucks. Money is the only thing that matters.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know, I mean, like it's still is

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<v Speaker 3>useful in some ways to like just get yeah, get

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<v Speaker 3>some of that information a little bit if you're willing

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<v Speaker 3>to wade through kind of the toxicity that is common

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<v Speaker 3>with all of social media at this point.

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<v Speaker 8>But but yeah, yeah, so and like yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 8>like that is sort of there is a little bit

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<v Speaker 8>of an aspect of that with like lead code is

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<v Speaker 8>company type interviews, and so there is always going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be like a portion of the population of people

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<v Speaker 3>who are interested in granting leak code that are a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more just the sort of TC TC monsters

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. But I don't know, I feel like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>emotionally it's hard to like sustain that attitude about life.

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<v Speaker 3>So like I feel like for me and that I

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<v Speaker 3>think for totally as well. It's like it's like you

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<v Speaker 3>eventually want it to become like a game or that

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<v Speaker 3>you start to get good, Like it's it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>or the progress that you're making, and it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a game that you're getting better at, like like your

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<v Speaker 3>crosswords or something, right word, And I don't know, i'd

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<v Speaker 3>try to cultivate that attitude about it a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>because it is a grind. But I like, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>like totally said, I'm starting to sort of enjoy the

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<v Speaker 3>time each day where I sit down with a fresh

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<v Speaker 3>on one of the problems. And yeah, you try and

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<v Speaker 3>be forgiving of yourself if you aren't getting that one

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<v Speaker 3>right then, and yeah, just try to be organized. If

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<v Speaker 3>it is so you can kind of start to identify

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<v Speaker 3>patterns and like what you're good at, what you're not

426
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<v Speaker 3>good at. Like I'm a big fan of deliberate practice,

427
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<v Speaker 3>that that whole concept you just like break down all

428
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<v Speaker 3>the components of your implementation and your like algorithm you're

429
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<v Speaker 3>problem solving like steps and then just are to identify

430
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<v Speaker 3>like where you're strong, where you're weak, and then drill

431
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<v Speaker 3>all the things. And I don't know, like in a

432
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<v Speaker 3>way it's like I can recognize it's all it's all

433
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<v Speaker 3>sort of bs. But in another way, I'm sort of

434
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<v Speaker 3>enjoying the progress that I'm making. So it's not like

435
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not totally nihilistic about it. I guess yeah, actually.

436
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<v Speaker 9>Funny, what what is TC monster? I missed that, like just.

437
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<v Speaker 3>Somebody who it's like just being obsessed with compensation and

438
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<v Speaker 3>nothing else.

439
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<v Speaker 4>Compensation aging, Yeah.

440
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<v Speaker 3>Because yeah, once you get to the like certain thing,

441
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<v Speaker 3>like they compensate more and more in terms of stock,

442
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<v Speaker 3>so like they always talking to TC versus just salary.

443
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<v Speaker 3>Because yeah, like as you as you go to get

444
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<v Speaker 3>to Fang, it's it'll be like more than half of

445
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<v Speaker 3>your compill start to come from from like stock and stuff.

446
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<v Speaker 5>So what were you going to say?

447
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<v Speaker 2>Totally Yeah, So interesting thing happened. I took a break

448
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<v Speaker 2>from leak code for about two months, and after that

449
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<v Speaker 2>I went back to a leak code problem and it

450
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<v Speaker 2>became so much easier. And I noticed that I didn't

451
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<v Speaker 2>really have that whole stressful mindset when approaching the problem.

452
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<v Speaker 2>It was more like, all right, if I solve it, great,

453
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<v Speaker 2>if I don't solve it whatever, And like once all

454
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<v Speaker 2>those like voices just started moving away. It really is

455
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<v Speaker 2>about problem solving. You just kind of lay out a

456
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<v Speaker 2>plan and you follow that plan versus I think that

457
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<v Speaker 2>blind does have that sort of hectic culture of like,

458
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<v Speaker 2>I've got to solve these problems. It has to happen

459
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<v Speaker 2>right now. If I'm unemployed for one more month, it's

460
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<v Speaker 2>going to be terrible. So I think, you know, even

461
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<v Speaker 2>for people in big tech on blind, it would be

462
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<v Speaker 2>really useful to step away from that kind of culture

463
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<v Speaker 2>for a bit and then come back.

464
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<v Speaker 1>I kind of have two directions I want to go.

465
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<v Speaker 1>I guess we're still talking about leak code. Let's do

466
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<v Speaker 1>this one first, and it is effectively like what strategies

467
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<v Speaker 1>are there like it. So let's say somebody is listening

468
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<v Speaker 1>to this and they're going, Okay, you've talked about this

469
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<v Speaker 1>leak code meet up and how these guys got together,

470
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<v Speaker 1>But how do I solve the leak codes?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

472
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<v Speaker 1>How do I get better at them?

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<v Speaker 3>Speak a little bit to it, I guess. I mean,

474
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<v Speaker 3>I think like one thing that's important is like, even

475
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<v Speaker 3>if you're familiar with algorithms or data and data structures,

476
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<v Speaker 3>maybe you have like a CS degree or something, that

477
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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean you're familiar with like all the intricacies of

478
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<v Speaker 3>the different ways to implement that algorithm. It's like binary search,

479
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<v Speaker 3>for instance, there's like I think a lot of people

480
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<v Speaker 3>are comfortable with binary search, maybe even to the point

481
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<v Speaker 3>of being like, oh, this is really basic, Like I

482
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<v Speaker 3>shouldn't have to drill on this. But it's different to

483
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<v Speaker 3>implement binary search. For instance, if you're looking for a

484
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<v Speaker 3>specific element in an array versus you're looking for a

485
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<v Speaker 3>boundary point between, like where you would insert an element

486
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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't yet exist in an array, and there's like

487
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<v Speaker 3>slightly different ways to do that, and like, depending on

488
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<v Speaker 3>some of the more complicatedly code problems may involve something

489
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<v Speaker 3>where you're looking for a position in a sort of

490
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<v Speaker 3>array that isn't an element, but you need to like

491
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<v Speaker 3>find that position and then do something, or another one

492
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<v Speaker 3>is where you need to search for an element, and

493
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<v Speaker 3>they both have slightly different ways that you implement the

494
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<v Speaker 3>wile loop, and like they both start with like a

495
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<v Speaker 3>left pointer and a right pointer, and one of them

496
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<v Speaker 3>may be like less than an equal to or you

497
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<v Speaker 3>wait until they're basically overlapping, and the other one it

498
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<v Speaker 3>will be less than or something. So there's slightly different

499
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<v Speaker 3>implementations depending on which flavor of binary search you're trying

500
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<v Speaker 3>to do. And I think like the process of trying

501
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<v Speaker 3>to get good at it is sort of identifying, like oh, Okay,

502
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<v Speaker 3>so this is probably going to be this type of algorithm,

503
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.759
<v Speaker 3>but then there's like four different ways implemented, and I

504
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.640
<v Speaker 3>should drill on all of those so that way, like

505
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<v Speaker 3>you're not getting tripped up in that part of the

506
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<v Speaker 3>implementation as you're trying to bang out the algorithm that

507
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<v Speaker 3>maybe like that and then a few other steps or something,

508
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Speaker 3>or like another example is like I was actually just

509
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<v Speaker 3>sort of realizing I needed to work on this the

510
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.359
<v Speaker 3>other day. It was like I've done a lot of

511
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<v Speaker 3>breath for search or depth for search problems, and not

512
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of like multi source breath for search or

513
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<v Speaker 3>death for a search, where you like you don't just

514
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<v Speaker 3>start from one point and then search outwards, but you

515
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<v Speaker 3>put like several points in there at once and then

516
00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 3>you look at like layers and then that could like

517
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<v Speaker 3>so just as an example, if you well, I don't

518
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<v Speaker 3>know if we want to dive into a whole problem,

519
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 3>I guess, but like there's there's differently like there's little

520
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<v Speaker 3>in implementation flavorings of every algorithm, and just like being

521
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<v Speaker 3>patient with yourself, like trying some problems and then you're

522
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 3>inevitably not going to get all of them, but like

523
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.720
<v Speaker 3>try and rack your brain to get something working, and

524
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:17.880
<v Speaker 3>then after a while and once you realize you're not

525
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<v Speaker 3>making any progress, Like check the editorial. I really recommend

526
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:24.880
<v Speaker 3>paying for leak code Pro so you can see their

527
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 3>editorials because they do a really good job of breaking

528
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<v Speaker 3>down how to solve the problem. And then and then

529
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<v Speaker 3>kind of identify like, oh, okay, so like I was

530
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<v Speaker 3>able to identify that yeah, breath first search was the

531
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 3>right algorithm here, but I got tripped up in this

532
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 3>part of the implementation. And then just try to like

533
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<v Speaker 3>I keep a lot of notes off to the side

534
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.720
<v Speaker 3>of like this type of problem, like multi So I've

535
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 3>started like taking notes a bunch about like multi source bfs,

536
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 3>and I put that off to the side, and I

537
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<v Speaker 3>put some of the problems that were related in the

538
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<v Speaker 3>related section and then have the stored off to those

539
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.559
<v Speaker 3>sides so I can drill them. And it's a lot

540
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<v Speaker 3>of like yeah, I just like like understanding the little

541
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<v Speaker 3>nuances and then just sticking with it. And I honestly

542
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 3>think that's like one of the best benefits of the

543
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.440
<v Speaker 3>group is that like it's a grind, and it's like

544
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>it's better to like suffer with other people. I guess company, right,

545
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<v Speaker 3>It's like it becomes like a little bit of a

546
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<v Speaker 3>social outlet. It's not so isolating and like we kind

547
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<v Speaker 3>of are going through it together and teaching each other

548
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 3>and that kind of thing. So it becomes a lot

549
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<v Speaker 3>less like this like despair of all this work that

550
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 3>you have to do and how hard it is and

551
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.160
<v Speaker 3>all of that, and more about like us helping each other.

552
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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, at risk, at risk.

553
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<v Speaker 6>It's sounding like the stereotype that everybody says about crossfitters.

554
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<v Speaker 6>That's part of the reason I love CrossFit is that

555
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<v Speaker 6>you're sharing the misery with other people and it makes

556
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<v Speaker 6>the heck a lot better than when you're just in there,

557
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 6>you know, working out by yourself in a home gym

558
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 6>or doing your own workout at a standard gym. It

559
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<v Speaker 6>just makes it so much more enjoyable. And who knows,

560
00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:15.920
<v Speaker 6>you're gonna learn from other people as well.

561
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally.

562
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.279
<v Speaker 1>You see them walking in like they're busted the same

563
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>way you're busted.

564
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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

565
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.680
<v Speaker 6>Oh, there's so many good memes on Instagram about like that.

566
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<v Speaker 6>That CrossFit is so funny.

567
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<v Speaker 1>So I got another question, and that is more along

568
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the lines of the meetup. So it's so funny because

569
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<v Speaker 1>COVID totally screwed up meetups, and I mean there used

570
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<v Speaker 1>to be a whole bunch of tech meetups here in Utah.

571
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I think there are a couple that have kind of

572
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<v Speaker 1>come back, and by comeback, I mean they're running.

573
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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how many people are going.

574
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<v Speaker 9>It's like one third the attendance that most of them have.

575
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<v Speaker 1>That right, So my question is, so let's say that

576
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<v Speaker 1>I want to start a meetup, not necessarily even a

577
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<v Speaker 1>leak code meetup, but let's say that I'm thinking, Okay,

578
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<v Speaker 1>you know, it'd be really great. There's all this new

579
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<v Speaker 1>stuff coming down with AI or with you know, maybe

580
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 1>it is leak code, or maybe it's just hey, look,

581
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to be better at JavaScript or

582
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>better react or you know, you name it. What what

583
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 1>do you recommend for people who want to get something

584
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 1>like that started.

585
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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of it is there has to

586
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:35.039
<v Speaker 2>be a real need. The reason why leak could worked

587
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:38.799
<v Speaker 2>was it kind of needed to get a job. We

588
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:44.079
<v Speaker 2>were targeting people who really wanted jobs. So I think

589
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>if you find that then it's relatively straightforward. But yeah,

590
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<v Speaker 2>like I think the second one, I also started another

591
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<v Speaker 2>kind of community and a lot of that has to

592
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<v Speaker 2>do with identity, like how do you identify yourself? Yes,

593
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<v Speaker 2>if you can link to identity, that does a lot.

594
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<v Speaker 1>Right now, is that is that partially just hey I

595
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<v Speaker 1>do react, or hey I do view or I want

596
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<v Speaker 1>to do better JavaScript? Or is there more identity than

597
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:23.599
<v Speaker 1>that that you want to dive into.

598
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<v Speaker 2>Well, for the other community I sort of started, it

599
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>has absolutely nothing to do with computers, but well, let's

600
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>say part of it is something about like how do

601
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 2>I communicate with the world? How am I honest with myself?

602
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>So if you start seeing yourself as a certain type

603
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>of person when you say I am blank, then it's

604
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:56.039
<v Speaker 2>much easier to form community of people around you that

605
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>are dedicated to that costs. And I think that does

606
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 2>have in leak code because people identify as like I

607
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>am someone who works in big tech, I am someone

608
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 2>who gets the leaked code, So it works. Ultimately, the

609
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>more close you are to somebody's identity.

610
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<v Speaker 5>The better gotcha. You know.

611
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<v Speaker 6>I haven't delved into leak code just yet, although side note,

612
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<v Speaker 6>I was just talking to a buddy of mine that's

613
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 6>a DevRel at Amazon, and he was telling me about

614
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 6>their process and leak code and He was like, yeah,

615
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.119
<v Speaker 6>you probably want to go study up and get like

616
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 6>the premium membership and do everything you can for three

617
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 6>or four weeks before you can try How does it

618
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:41.440
<v Speaker 6>work from a language standpoint? Do you get to choose

619
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<v Speaker 6>the languages that you're using to answer these questions?

620
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<v Speaker 4>Is it like, you know, like if.

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<v Speaker 6>You primarily view or you know, one of the JOBASCRIPT

622
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 6>frameworks is like Vanilla JavaScript, do you get you stuff

623
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<v Speaker 6>in view? Or if you're a back end guy like

624
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<v Speaker 6>PHP or job or a node or Ruby, do you

625
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<v Speaker 6>get to use the language of your choice frand sharing questions?

626
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<v Speaker 4>How does that work?

627
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.039
<v Speaker 3>You do? I would say, like we could kind of

628
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 3>start it out as like mostly Java in Python, but

629
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<v Speaker 3>since then they've really put a lot of effort into expanding.

630
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<v Speaker 3>So most of the editorials now are in a bunch

631
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<v Speaker 3>of different languages. I think they they have C plus

632
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.559
<v Speaker 3>plus and Java and Python, and they usually have a

633
00:35:21.639 --> 00:35:27.239
<v Speaker 3>JavaScript the editor. You can do a lot of different languages,

634
00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 3>like typescript. If you want to do that, you can

635
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<v Speaker 3>do JavaScript. They're actually maybe I'll hop over and fire

636
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<v Speaker 3>it up really quick and just confirm, But yeah, there's

637
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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of different languages that they support, and like

638
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<v Speaker 3>most of the editorials have a bunch of languages as well.

639
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<v Speaker 3>But every once in a while you may see a

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<v Speaker 3>problem that like in the actual examples of how it

641
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<v Speaker 3>solved in the editorials, like it'll only be two languages

642
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<v Speaker 3>or something. But we've had a number of people that

643
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<v Speaker 3>have attended the group that are coming from Gooding boot Cam's.

644
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<v Speaker 3>It's actually the two places where we meet up is

645
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<v Speaker 3>that one of two different cutting bood camps, And a

646
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<v Speaker 3>lot of those folks have JavaScript as their main language.

647
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<v Speaker 3>So like, I think JavaScript works just fine. I think

648
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<v Speaker 3>like Python is like is what I recommend if people

649
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<v Speaker 3>are sort of agnostic to language, just because it gives

650
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<v Speaker 3>you again in terms of speed, Python has a lot

651
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<v Speaker 3>of these little helper functions that just like you take

652
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<v Speaker 3>a list and then you call sorted on it and

653
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<v Speaker 3>now it's sorted, or like you call max on it

654
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<v Speaker 3>and you get the maximum elements and it's just like

655
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<v Speaker 3>you just like throw that function on there and then

656
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<v Speaker 3>just keep going and it just there's a lot less

657
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<v Speaker 3>stuff that you have to implement yourself. But but yes,

658
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<v Speaker 3>you can do any language for the most part and

659
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<v Speaker 3>actually have the editor open. Okay, so they have c

660
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<v Speaker 3>plus plus, Java, Python, Python three, so Python two, Python three,

661
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<v Speaker 3>c she sharp, javascriptpescript, Php, Swift, Cotlan, dark Go, Ruby, Scala, Rust,

662
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<v Speaker 3>racket erline, analyxir. Is that all that's everything, that's what

663
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<v Speaker 3>the editor supports. Yeah, Like so yeah, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>like I think if if you're thinking jobscript, I think

665
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<v Speaker 3>that has is going to have like pretty it's I

666
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<v Speaker 3>would say, it's like a first class citizen at this

667
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<v Speaker 3>point of we code. So like a lot of the

668
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<v Speaker 3>edit editorials have job script implementations. So and it looks

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<v Speaker 3>like typescript as well.

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<v Speaker 9>So but why is it called an editorial, right? I

671
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<v Speaker 9>guess newspapers, I guess like.

672
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<v Speaker 3>They have a like there's there's like a solutions section,

673
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<v Speaker 3>but that that I think was what they first implemented,

674
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<v Speaker 3>and that's just like community solutions, and then the editorial

675
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 3>is like a professionally done breakdown that like really describes

676
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 3>the whole algorithm with like with diagrams and you know,

677
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 3>even like maybe a litle bit of video or something.

678
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<v Speaker 3>So like the solutions, I think I'm guessing it's like

679
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<v Speaker 3>a legacy thing. It's like they called the the solutions

680
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<v Speaker 3>was the name they gave the community solutions. I guess.

681
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<v Speaker 9>So maybe maybe they were looking at the community stuff

682
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<v Speaker 9>and like pulling out and saying, Okay, from all of

683
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<v Speaker 9>what people are saying. As an editor of this content,

684
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<v Speaker 9>this is these are the important pieces for people who

685
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<v Speaker 9>were commonly missed concepts or whatever.

686
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<v Speaker 3>That would make sense. Yeah, I guess. I don't know

687
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<v Speaker 3>for sure that that was their thought process, but that

688
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<v Speaker 3>would make sense.

689
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<v Speaker 2>I personally don't find the editorials that useful. Whenever I

690
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<v Speaker 2>want to understand something, I go to YouTube, I type

691
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<v Speaker 2>the problem, and there's much much better visual explanations.

692
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<v Speaker 6>Oh so people are doing videos on specific leak code

693
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<v Speaker 6>questions and how to answer them and solve them.

694
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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

695
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<v Speaker 2>Also, there's a guy called neat Code who I think

696
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<v Speaker 2>is one of the top YouTubers that he has a

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<v Speaker 2>course essentially explaining all these concepts in visual ways, and

698
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<v Speaker 2>they all do a much better job than the editorials

699
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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree. I also think like nea code is

701
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<v Speaker 3>is if you're either new to algorithms or end data structures,

702
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<v Speaker 3>or you're just kind of rusty, start with net code.

703
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<v Speaker 3>That's another like paid thing though, but it's like it's

704
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<v Speaker 3>like one hundred bucks for a year and then you

705
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:27.239
<v Speaker 3>go through their like his intro to algorithms, and it

706
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 3>gives a bunch of tutorials and then links to specific

707
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 3>weak code problems that are for those topics. And I

708
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<v Speaker 3>think that is one of the better sort of on

709
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<v Speaker 3>ramps into sort of weak code. And that's spelled n

710
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<v Speaker 3>ee T code dot io. I guess we're we're basically

711
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.920
<v Speaker 3>advertising for that at this point. But yeah, I mean

712
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<v Speaker 3>I do think like we've had a couple of people

713
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<v Speaker 3>that come into the to the sessions that are, you know,

714
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<v Speaker 3>pretty new, and we always recommend, like I always recommend

715
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<v Speaker 3>new code as like, hey, this is how this is

716
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<v Speaker 3>how you kind of un ramp.

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<v Speaker 4>So totally.

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<v Speaker 6>You had mentioned a little earlier about how you did

719
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<v Speaker 6>this for a while and then you went away and

720
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<v Speaker 6>then you came back. It's like, oh now I can

721
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<v Speaker 6>understand it, which is so true. I mean, how many

722
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<v Speaker 6>I can't count the number of times I've solved the

723
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<v Speaker 6>problem in my head in the shower, you know, because

724
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<v Speaker 6>I'm sitting there thinking about it or having a nightmare.

725
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:37.559
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, that's how I should do it.

726
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:38.800
<v Speaker 5>I get really stuck.

727
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<v Speaker 4>I go for a walk, yeah exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>My question is, you know, we were talking earlier about

729
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<v Speaker 6>how this can sort of be like studying for the

730
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<v Speaker 6>test instead of studying the material.

731
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<v Speaker 4>I'm curious to see that after.

732
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<v Speaker 6>Having studied for leak code and gone through this and

733
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<v Speaker 6>studying these problems.

734
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<v Speaker 4>What areas you felt it improved for you? If any?

735
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, does it help you with just general problem solving,

736
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<v Speaker 6>with maybe some you know, programming type problem solving. What

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<v Speaker 6>is it that, if anything, that you feel you can

738
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<v Speaker 6>do better having gone through and studied for leap code.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I first started, I had so much emotional attachment,

740
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<v Speaker 2>for lack of a better word, to leap code. You know,

741
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<v Speaker 2>On one hand, it was I really hate doing this. This

742
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 2>is so boring, this is so useless. I don't want

743
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<v Speaker 2>to do this, Like I can't do this, Like I'm

744
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<v Speaker 2>not the type of person who can do this. I'm

745
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>a JavaScript engineer, I'm not like an algorithm's person. Just

746
00:41:50.079 --> 00:41:53.360
<v Speaker 2>a whole laundry list of why I don't want to

747
00:41:53.840 --> 00:42:00.360
<v Speaker 2>and can't do leap code. After starting the meetup up

748
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, you know, I started improving and seeing like,

749
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>all right, so if I practiced this now I could

750
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<v Speaker 2>get better. You know, I actually passed some first rounds

751
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<v Speaker 2>of interviews which I did not think I would pass.

752
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.639
<v Speaker 2>Like in Meta, I passed like two out of three

753
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<v Speaker 2>algorithm interviews, which I was very surprised at. And then

754
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 2>like taking that big break, it probably did I wouldn't

755
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>say the most good, but it did a huge chunk

756
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:34.039
<v Speaker 2>of good for me because it removed a lot of

757
00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:39.039
<v Speaker 2>that I have to solve this or my life is sorry.

758
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<v Speaker 4>With any friendly podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So basically that's what it did for me.

760
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<v Speaker 2>And also just where I traveled. I went to Europe

761
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 2>for a little while, and a lot of people who

762
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I met were nomads, so all they did was essentially

763
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<v Speaker 2>travel the world and they you know, went to different

764
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>akaryoga conventions and a lot of people there they earned

765
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<v Speaker 2>like maybe ten fifteen thousand dollars a year and they

766
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:22.159
<v Speaker 2>were just having this much more fulfilling lifestyle. And then

767
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<v Speaker 2>you have people on blind you know, making five hundred

768
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>seven hundred k year and they're suicidal, they don't have relationships.

769
00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.840
<v Speaker 2>So having that huge juxtaposition of these two different lifestyles,

770
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 2>it really helped me let go of a lot of

771
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 2>the emotional baggage around lead code. And then it's like

772
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 2>this is just like any other problem, like it's not special,

773
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<v Speaker 2>Like it removed that special factor from it.

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00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 6>So it sounded like it wasn't emotional attachment you had.

775
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:55.320
<v Speaker 6>It was more like emotional repulsion.

776
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I really don't want to do that exactly.

777
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<v Speaker 4>So how does that?

778
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<v Speaker 9>You know?

779
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.840
<v Speaker 4>Going back to your meetups? So what do you do

780
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<v Speaker 4>with the meetups?

781
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, is it is it like do you have

782
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<v Speaker 6>like a shared screen where somebody can share their screen

783
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<v Speaker 6>and everybody can look at a problem and sort of

784
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 6>work through how to do it? Do you just pair

785
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 6>up and look at laptops? Is is there any sort

786
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 6>of structure like Okay, how you doing We're going to

787
00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.480
<v Speaker 6>talk about this and this where you go through problems

788
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<v Speaker 6>as a group.

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<v Speaker 4>Does it vary? I'm just curious to see how that works.

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<v Speaker 9>It does vary.

791
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 3>I would say it varies a little bit based on

792
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 3>how many people show up to a specific one. So

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<v Speaker 3>like we have one two like two weeks ago on

794
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Thursday at general Assembly, and that one was very large,

795
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<v Speaker 3>so there's like sixty people there, so we really had

796
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 3>to break it up into smaller groups. And in that case,

797
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<v Speaker 3>we broke it up by just like level and the

798
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 3>code like easy, medium, hard and then there was like

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<v Speaker 3>a system design group. In that case, I think we

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<v Speaker 3>may actually start to incorporate, like for the really large groups,

801
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<v Speaker 3>start to incorporate like a pret easy group as well,

802
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<v Speaker 3>because there's a few people who are just onboarding onto

803
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<v Speaker 3>the code and we want to include those people, I

804
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<v Speaker 3>think in the and when we're when they're smaller groups

805
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<v Speaker 3>like some of our Saturday sessions. We I guess the

806
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<v Speaker 3>pattern that we've fallen into that we sort of like

807
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<v Speaker 3>is that we do we pick a solution type. It's

808
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<v Speaker 3>like sliding window, where you like slide a window across

809
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<v Speaker 3>an array to compute something and sort of will make

810
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<v Speaker 3>a theme for the whole session around finding like identifying

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<v Speaker 3>problems of that solution type and then solving a number

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<v Speaker 3>of them to sort of get familiar with that type

813
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<v Speaker 3>of solution, And that I think helps a lot with

814
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<v Speaker 3>just sort of like taking one one type of solution

815
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<v Speaker 3>and kind of embedding it in your mind so it

816
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 3>becomes like a tool, like a tool in your toolkit

817
00:45:56.679 --> 00:45:59.440
<v Speaker 3>that you can pull out if you see another type

818
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:05.679
<v Speaker 3>of problem that uses that. And that's I think if

819
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<v Speaker 3>you're starting to get into leak code too, Like I

820
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<v Speaker 3>think the thing that can make it a lot less

821
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<v Speaker 3>intimidating is realizing that there's only like like there's like

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<v Speaker 3>only like twenty five total types of solutions really for

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<v Speaker 3>all leak code problems, more or less, and they're all

824
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<v Speaker 3>like like every leak code problem is like a different

825
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<v Speaker 3>variation on a solution type or maybe combines two of

826
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<v Speaker 3>them together or something. But there's only like twenty five patterns,

827
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<v Speaker 3>and then you just have to kind of like drill

828
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<v Speaker 3>them all and there's like different flavors of the given pattern,

829
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Like binary searches a pattern, but there's different flavors of it.

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<v Speaker 9>But this actually brings up something that I've been thinking

831
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.159
<v Speaker 9>about a lot lately, especially with this explosion of AI.

832
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<v Speaker 9>It seems like we're wasting billions of dollars on these

833
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 9>you know, general problems solvedving word games when really, because

834
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<v Speaker 9>I was thinking, I was thinking'd be more in the

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<v Speaker 9>order of ten thousand, like maybe less than that, but

836
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<v Speaker 9>somewhere in the order of ten thousand things you do

837
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<v Speaker 9>as a programmer, like think of every for loop you've

838
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<v Speaker 9>ever written, Think of every set of if statements you've

839
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<v Speaker 9>ever done, you know, think of every algorithm that you'd

840
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<v Speaker 9>ever had to ever have had to use, which is

841
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<v Speaker 9>probably less than twenty five you know, outside of leekode. Like,

842
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<v Speaker 9>think of all those things if you just had some

843
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<v Speaker 9>sort of assistant that could help identify like, ah, this

844
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<v Speaker 9>is the pattern here, let me template this out. How

845
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<v Speaker 9>much more valuable would that be than having some generic

846
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<v Speaker 9>thing that's just trying to like guess and figure stuff

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00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:49.519
<v Speaker 9>out from you know, context clues and statistical analysis, And

848
00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.639
<v Speaker 9>how much less expensive would be in processing power?

849
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, are you talking about like designing an AI like

850
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 3>as a design for a coding assistance or.

851
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.199
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because because the whole idea of

852
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:08.199
<v Speaker 9>of most of this stuff seems to be based on

853
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.960
<v Speaker 9>open AI's work, whether it's open ai or not. Like

854
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 9>the LM technology that they made public before they went

855
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 9>back to being a private company or not went back

856
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.960
<v Speaker 9>but became a private company. You know, like like that

857
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 9>that vein of technology is so good for what it

858
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:28.840
<v Speaker 9>was designed for, like creating ads right like you want

859
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 9>to you want to put lots of ads on web

860
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.679
<v Speaker 9>pages with lots of keywords without you know that like

861
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 9>that's that is the business model that that open ai

862
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.880
<v Speaker 9>had for like the last ten years until you know,

863
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 9>two years ago they started doing code and stuff. But yeah,

864
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.639
<v Speaker 9>so if and it's like they took a really really

865
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.280
<v Speaker 9>general like word driven approach and then applied to programming

866
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:53.639
<v Speaker 9>and it does amazingly well. Like I I actually am

867
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 9>now a paid subscriber for GPT four oh because with

868
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 9>four oh, it's good enough that it's like gone from

869
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 9>solving the problems I ask it, like, you know, a

870
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 9>quarter of the time to seventy five percent of time,

871
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.840
<v Speaker 9>and some of that is I only ask it questions

872
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 9>in a certain way now, but four oh is definitely

873
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 9>better than three you know when when this thing started.

874
00:49:15.920 --> 00:49:19.440
<v Speaker 9>But I just think so often if it could just

875
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 9>temple it out, like what are the things that you

876
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.760
<v Speaker 9>do as a programmer, because there's not that many things

877
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:25.880
<v Speaker 9>that you really do. It's you do like you're saying,

878
00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 9>you take there's I think it's more than twenty five

879
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.280
<v Speaker 9>different patterns, but you know it's accountable number of patterns

880
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:34.760
<v Speaker 9>that you use as a programmer. What if you just

881
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:41.719
<v Speaker 9>created an AI that did those things and then templated

882
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:48.159
<v Speaker 9>them them out rather than what you know, the statistical

883
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:52.360
<v Speaker 9>analysis bit that that's kind of the the the thought experiment.

884
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.320
<v Speaker 2>I think CHET CHIPTI already can do a lot of that.

885
00:49:56.639 --> 00:50:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I use chet GPT for all my coding. Now. Yeah, basically,

886
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>I describe the problem that I'm trying to solve and

887
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it spits out a good like one hundred one hundred

888
00:50:07.400 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 2>and fifty lines of code. Anything past that, that's where

889
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 2>it starts having problems. It can't understand the context of

890
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.800
<v Speaker 2>my whole app. But if I say, like this is

891
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 2>something very specific that I want this module to do,

892
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 2>it does an incredible job. And there are many like

893
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 2>little things that it's great at as well, like you know,

894
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:30.719
<v Speaker 2>create a type map for what I'm trying to do.

895
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Like that's just something that takes a long time to

896
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.559
<v Speaker 2>do by hand. But yeah, yeah it'll get it like

897
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:39.920
<v Speaker 2>ninety nine percent of the time.

898
00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Speaker 9>I definitely don't see ninety nine percent, but it's with Furrow.

899
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 9>I think that it's above fifty percent.

900
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>For just like a bunch of Jason, Like say I

901
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.079
<v Speaker 2>drop in a bunch of adjacent and it has like

902
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:55.159
<v Speaker 2>some text in it. I've basically never had it guess incorrectly,

903
00:50:55.599 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and I might have to change it around, like maybe

904
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>like for this proper pretty instead of a string, it's

905
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.599
<v Speaker 2>this array of strings but that's really the only time

906
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 2>that it gets it wrong, and you can't expect it

907
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:08.679
<v Speaker 2>to get it right. There.

908
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:12.599
<v Speaker 1>I was asking about how the meetup runs, and I

909
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 1>think somebody mentioned that you guys do it at General

910
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Assembly in New York, So how do you find the

911
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 1>space for your meet up?

912
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:21.360
<v Speaker 5>Somebody worked there or.

913
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.800
<v Speaker 3>The Yeah, I mean, so that was actually Ken's not here,

914
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 3>but Ken and Stephen putting a lot of work into

915
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 3>just reaching out to different coding boot camps and those

916
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.760
<v Speaker 3>have been the most successful. So there's one called Fractal

917
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 3>there in like Williamsburg, Brooklyn, and then there's General Assembly,

918
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:44.679
<v Speaker 3>which is more in midtown Manhattan, and the General Assembly

919
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.960
<v Speaker 3>is more new Fractal we meet on Saturdays, and General

920
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 3>assemblies like every other Thursday now or it's going to be.

921
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.039
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean, there have been a number of

922
00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.559
<v Speaker 3>different attempts to reach out. I think in the early stages,

923
00:51:56.599 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Totally was actually covering the cost of like trying to

924
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.320
<v Speaker 3>pay for these paid venues, and that wasn't super sustainable

925
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 3>because we just have fluctuating numbers of people attending, and

926
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.320
<v Speaker 3>like it was also optional to pay for tickets, So

927
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.119
<v Speaker 3>at that time a lot of people opted not to

928
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 3>and it was just wasn't really sustainable to do the

929
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:23.280
<v Speaker 3>paid venues. So but yeah, we've found that those the

930
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 3>coding boot camps are definitely happy to have us there

931
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:29.559
<v Speaker 3>because it's like an interview prep group, which is sort

932
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.960
<v Speaker 3>of directly related to the value they're trying to provide

933
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:37.599
<v Speaker 3>their students. So that's gone, that's gone well so far,

934
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.559
<v Speaker 3>and we basically just get to use their space. For Fractal,

935
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.480
<v Speaker 3>we just get to kind of show up on Saturdays

936
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.199
<v Speaker 3>and use their space and then for GA they have

937
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 3>to like organize an event around it because that's sort

938
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 3>of their policy. But yeah, we're still kind of exploring

939
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 3>a bit. I think Fractals like a further out, it's

940
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.000
<v Speaker 3>a less central location, so not as many people can

941
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 3>attend that one. So yeah, we're always well, well, yeah,

942
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 3>looking for a space that's going to be kind of

943
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 3>central for people that is hopefully not expensive.

944
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 4>So speaking of space, do you ever use MySpace? I'm

945
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 4>not kidding.

946
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 6>I just saw an article about MySpace celebrating its twenty

947
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 6>first anniversary, so I brought that to mind.

948
00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.199
<v Speaker 4>I'll give myself a rimshot for this.

949
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.119
<v Speaker 9>Wait is Mike, I'm going to go to the website didn't.

950
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:29.360
<v Speaker 9>I didn't know they were still around.

951
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, here's an article, I'll mention it and picks that

952
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.719
<v Speaker 6>I have something I just on Hacker news.

953
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 5>So anyway, cool? Is there anything else we want to shoot?

954
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Dog?

955
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:41.360
<v Speaker 9>It does exist?

956
00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Anything else we want to go into with the meetup

957
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:50.800
<v Speaker 1>or leak code before we do picks? Okay, well let's

958
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:54.199
<v Speaker 1>do the picks. Then we usually have our guests go last.

959
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 1>But Jeff, if you've got to jump off soon, are

960
00:53:57.119 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>you enjoying any TV shows, books, movie, these, technology?

961
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 5>Anything else?

962
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.039
<v Speaker 3>Uh? I don't know.

963
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.599
<v Speaker 9>This is this is not super anything.

964
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:14.159
<v Speaker 3>Started playing Cyberpunk again, but but that's a that's an

965
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.920
<v Speaker 3>older game. I guess. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, just

966
00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I have nothing that's super exciting. It's like I've just

967
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 3>played Cyberpunk and ballers Gate three and then I do

968
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Bartarya when I'm not not working and looking for work.

969
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.239
<v Speaker 3>It's hard to come up with these on the spot.

970
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Come back to me and I'll maybe have something.

971
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 1>All right, Hopefully you don't get your call between now

972
00:54:39.079 --> 00:54:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and then, aj do you want to start us off

973
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:41.400
<v Speaker 1>with the picks?

974
00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 5>Then?

975
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:49.840
<v Speaker 9>Yes, I do, Chuck, so one thing that I totally

976
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.400
<v Speaker 9>forgot last time. So my wife and I took a

977
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 9>trip to to Colorado to see the Royal Gorge Bridge,

978
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:04.000
<v Speaker 9>and on the way we finally started listening to some

979
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.440
<v Speaker 9>of the Brandon Sanderson Secret Project books that we've had

980
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.639
<v Speaker 9>now for I guess about two years, but have not

981
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 9>like listened taken the opportunity to enjoy listening to this.

982
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 9>On the trip we did, and we listened to You

983
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:23.519
<v Speaker 9>Me and the Nightmare Painter and Sunlit Man, and she

984
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.480
<v Speaker 9>I think had already listened to Tress and I was

985
00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:31.599
<v Speaker 9>in the last few chapters of The Frugal Wizard's Guide

986
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 9>to Medieval England, and You Me and the Nightmare Painter

987
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.440
<v Speaker 9>is just an amazing story. I think that it is

988
00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:46.679
<v Speaker 9>one of Brandon Sanderson's best works. It very much has

989
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 9>an anime feel to it. He says that it was

990
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 9>inspired by Final Fantasy X and a manga and then

991
00:55:57.599 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 9>just you know, some of his own thoughts while sitting

992
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 9>on the bus or in the park or something. But

993
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:08.159
<v Speaker 9>it is it's a world in which there are nightmare painters,

994
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 9>and nightmare painters go out at at night and they're

995
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 9>basically like cops, like not like cops, they're like like

996
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 9>citizen did what did you call that back in the

997
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 9>nineties with the signs up in the neighbor neighborhood Watch,

998
00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.719
<v Speaker 9>they're like neighborhood watch, like paid neighborhood watch, except that

999
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.159
<v Speaker 9>they are watching out for nightmares, which are creatures that

1000
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:34.159
<v Speaker 9>uh come out at at at night and become manifest

1001
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 9>from people's dreams. So very very much in that vein

1002
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.920
<v Speaker 9>of you know, like Spirited Away or something that seems

1003
00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:45.599
<v Speaker 9>like a studio ghibli type of story, and you know

1004
00:56:46.119 --> 00:56:48.639
<v Speaker 9>that that in of itself may not appeal to you,

1005
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:54.400
<v Speaker 9>but I like, yeah, I'd almost rather just give someone

1006
00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 9>the book and say here, read this or listen to this,

1007
00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:59.119
<v Speaker 9>then try to describe it. But but I'll try to

1008
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.920
<v Speaker 9>describe it anyway. So there's the nightmare Painters, and then

1009
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 9>there is you me, who I don't think that she's

1010
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:12.559
<v Speaker 9>called a princess, but essentially she's a she's not a princess,

1011
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:18.119
<v Speaker 9>she's a type of royalty. And then it kind of

1012
00:57:18.159 --> 00:57:22.119
<v Speaker 9>goes into a Freaky Friday scenario. So yes, it's like

1013
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.039
<v Speaker 9>it's like Spirited Away meets Freaky Friday. That is what

1014
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.760
<v Speaker 9>you mean the Nightmare Painter is. But there's also I

1015
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 9>don't know, I mean calling it that just makes it

1016
00:57:34.119 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 9>sound so not as great as it is, because Spreaky

1017
00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.559
<v Speaker 9>Friday is an okay movie and Spirited Away is a

1018
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:44.679
<v Speaker 9>very weird cartoon. But You Me and the Nightmare Painter

1019
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:48.239
<v Speaker 9>is just awesome. I loved it. I think it was

1020
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 9>around twelve hours long, and we listened to it on

1021
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:57.039
<v Speaker 9>one point five and one setting on our trip out

1022
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:02.000
<v Speaker 9>to the hotel, and then other quick picks the chosen.

1023
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 9>I think that season four is has been phenomenal. I

1024
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:11.280
<v Speaker 9>think it's really interesting as as a fairly well. It's

1025
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:18.480
<v Speaker 9>a non denominational portraying of the of Jesus' disciples. So

1026
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:21.280
<v Speaker 9>there's a little bit of Catholicism in there, there's a

1027
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Speaker 9>little bit of Judaism in there, there's a little bit

1028
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:28.960
<v Speaker 9>of Evangelists Christianity in there. There's a bit of the

1029
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.039
<v Speaker 9>Church of jes Christ to the Latter day Saints in there.

1030
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:37.800
<v Speaker 9>There's like, there's lots of different philosophies represented, not I

1031
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.639
<v Speaker 9>think because the intent was to represent the different philosophies

1032
00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 9>or different religions, but more because I think this person

1033
00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:49.360
<v Speaker 9>just has a really good reading of the Bible. By

1034
00:58:49.400 --> 00:58:55.639
<v Speaker 9>good reading, I mean is able to to see past

1035
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:01.320
<v Speaker 9>the five thousand years of translations and idioms and you know,

1036
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:05.920
<v Speaker 9>like to really pull out what I think was meant.

1037
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:08.440
<v Speaker 9>And I imagine it must have made a lot of

1038
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 9>pastors and seminaries very angry to see Season four. I've

1039
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:16.039
<v Speaker 9>heard of of last. But that's the whole thing is

1040
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:19.920
<v Speaker 9>it's about the Pharisees and the Sadducees and Jesus being

1041
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 9>like a revolutionary and so I just yeah, season four

1042
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.519
<v Speaker 9>was great. I can't wait for season five. They just

1043
00:59:28.599 --> 00:59:31.639
<v Speaker 9>finished filming it. But if you don't need to be

1044
00:59:31.719 --> 00:59:35.440
<v Speaker 9>a religious person to enjoy The Chosen, it is such

1045
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.639
<v Speaker 9>a well produced show. Is it is family friendly, with

1046
00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:44.079
<v Speaker 9>the caveat that there are scenes with violence in them.

1047
00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:49.920
<v Speaker 9>There are topics that are hard to deal with, like miscarriage.

1048
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.239
<v Speaker 9>You know, there are like real life topics in the show.

1049
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 9>So it's like I would give it a rage rating

1050
00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:02.280
<v Speaker 9>of PG thirteen thematically, but PG in terms of like

1051
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 9>it's a good family show and the first few episodes

1052
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.360
<v Speaker 9>are hard to get into because it's not really clear

1053
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:11.840
<v Speaker 9>where it's going. But once you get past the third

1054
01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:16.639
<v Speaker 9>or fourth episode, it's it's a pretty gripping show and

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<v Speaker 9>I'd recommend it to anybody religious or not. And if

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<v Speaker 9>you are religious and you watch it, you might have

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<v Speaker 9>to just be okay with some of your beliefs being

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<v Speaker 9>challenged or interpreted differently, but not in a bad way,

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<v Speaker 9>not in a malicious way, just you know, taking different

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<v Speaker 9>there's different beliefs represented, and I think that it's all biblical,

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<v Speaker 9>but it may not be biblical in the way that

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<v Speaker 9>your particular pastor or church group may have explained it before.

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<v Speaker 9>And I don't you know, some people might think, well,

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<v Speaker 9>that makes it wrong, but I think that they stick

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<v Speaker 9>to the biblical story. It's just not Yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 9>know how to say it.

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<v Speaker 4>That.

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<v Speaker 9>And the last thing, super quick I found this. This

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<v Speaker 9>came up again, Beauty and the Beat of a YouTube video

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<v Speaker 9>that just couldn't be made today. But it's so amazing.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a belle in the hood and it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a yeah, that's that's basically how to describe it.

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<v Speaker 9>Fun fun little video that's a parody of Beauty and

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<v Speaker 9>the Beast the morning song when it's you know, hello,

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<v Speaker 9>how's your bread?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I'm just reading a story but but but

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<v Speaker 9>instead it's just oh, it's it's so hilarious and it

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<v Speaker 9>has some of the early you know, YouTube comedians and

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<v Speaker 9>stuff in it, back when when YouTube was a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit more grassroots and raw, you know. So anyway, those

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<v Speaker 9>those are my picks, all right, Steve?

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<v Speaker 5>What are your picks?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? Is aj Dunn? Sorry? I was taking a nap

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01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:55.679
<v Speaker 4>there for a second. Good.

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<v Speaker 9>I wanted to give you time, Steve.

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<v Speaker 4>You gave me plenty of trust me. Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So, as I mentioned earlier, the little article I saw

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01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:09.280
<v Speaker 6>about in MySpace, it's on trib live dot com. It

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01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 6>says MySpace celebrates his twenty first birthday? Do we still

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01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 6>need it? So I didn't even know what existed either.

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01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:20.039
<v Speaker 6>I used it in a while. I can remember when

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01:02:20.079 --> 01:02:23.400
<v Speaker 6>it first came out, and one of the from a

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01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.360
<v Speaker 6>coding standpoint, if you want to look at it from

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01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:29.880
<v Speaker 6>that standpoint, it was, if I remember, the big thing

1096
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.559
<v Speaker 6>was it allowed you to customize like CSS, and so

1097
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:36.239
<v Speaker 6>you had people doing whole businesses off of creating customized

1098
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:40.280
<v Speaker 6>MySpace themes for people to have for their own profile.

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<v Speaker 6>I know I've heard some people say that was how

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<v Speaker 6>they really started to learn about front end styling and

1101
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:53.400
<v Speaker 6>theming with CSS and HTML. So maybe from a security standpoint,

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01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.199
<v Speaker 6>it wasn't the best thing, but in terms of being

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01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:00.440
<v Speaker 6>a tool to allow people to learn how to use

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01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:03.039
<v Speaker 6>the web and make the web look good, it seems

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<v Speaker 6>to have its own space encoding history.

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<v Speaker 4>Now for the.

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<v Speaker 6>Totally in Oh we Lost Jeff there might not know

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01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:17.360
<v Speaker 6>that the dad jokes are the high point of any

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01:03:17.400 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 6>of these podcasts, So.

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<v Speaker 4>Here they are.

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<v Speaker 6>So the other day I saw a microbiologist. He was

1112
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:33.679
<v Speaker 6>a lot bigger than I expected, right. And then over

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01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:37.519
<v Speaker 6>the weekend I was working on my house, doing some

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01:03:37.679 --> 01:03:39.559
<v Speaker 6>you know, work around the house, and I fell off

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01:03:39.559 --> 01:03:42.440
<v Speaker 6>a fifty foot ladder. Fortunately I was only on the

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<v Speaker 6>bottom step. And then here's a thought on Disney and

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<v Speaker 6>Pinocchio was reading some about him lately, probably on TMS

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01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:57.920
<v Speaker 6>or something, and heard that he hasn't had much luck

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01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:01.199
<v Speaker 6>on dating apps. But I mean, what do you expect

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01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:03.960
<v Speaker 6>from a guy who's looking for relationship with no strings attached?

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<v Speaker 4>Those are my picks, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I'm gonna jump in do my picks real fast.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first pick is I usually totally. I usually

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<v Speaker 1>do a board game pick. Of course, you've been on before,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably know that I'm going to pick a game Challengers.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of a mix of Capture the Flag and war.

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01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:27.320
<v Speaker 5>So you start out with your base set, you build your.

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<v Speaker 1>Deck, and then you play one on one against somebody

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01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.760
<v Speaker 1>else that's playing, and you flip over cards until you've

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01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:35.760
<v Speaker 1>beat their top card.

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01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.440
<v Speaker 5>Then you get the flag. I mean that's more or

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01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:38.800
<v Speaker 5>less it.

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01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:40.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean the deck building gets a little involved, but

1134
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<v Speaker 1>that's effectively the game. It'll play up to eight people,

1135
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and so you play seven rounds and you just rotate chairs, right,

1136
01:04:48.039 --> 01:04:50.320
<v Speaker 1>so each of you get a little schedule, right, So

1137
01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you're on the red and then you're on the green,

1138
01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:53.280
<v Speaker 1>and then you're on the yellow, and then you're back

1139
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:58.599
<v Speaker 1>to the red, and then whoever has the most points

1140
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:01.599
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the round or at the end

1141
01:05:01.639 --> 01:05:04.159
<v Speaker 1>of the seventh round, the two top two go head

1142
01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:04.639
<v Speaker 1>to head and.

1143
01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:09.480
<v Speaker 5>Whoever wins wins. That's the game, really really fun game.

1144
01:05:09.559 --> 01:05:11.400
<v Speaker 1>I tried to teach it to my family last night,

1145
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and I have to admit my wife was tired and

1146
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.599
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to play more than two rounds. But let

1147
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:22.639
<v Speaker 1>me get the board game wait for you, Here we

1148
01:05:22.719 --> 01:05:26.960
<v Speaker 1>go Challengers. It is waited at one point seven to eight,

1149
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:33.039
<v Speaker 1>so that's that's pretty approachable for most casual gamers. The

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01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:34.760
<v Speaker 1>first time you play it, it takes a little bit

1151
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 1>to kind of figure some of it out, but then

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<v Speaker 1>after that you're kind of good to go. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of other picks here real quick, I've been reading Obi

1154
01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Fernandez's book on AI and I am really enjoying getting

1155
01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:52.320
<v Speaker 1>into AI. So I'm gonna put a link to that

1156
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.920
<v Speaker 1>in the chat and then it'll show up his comments on.

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<v Speaker 5>Facebook, Twitch, and YouTube.

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01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:01.360
<v Speaker 1>But the last thing is, and I'm just going to

1159
01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.599
<v Speaker 1>put it out there, I am working on getting AI

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01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:09.280
<v Speaker 1>for JavaScript dot com launched. You'll get emails from me

1161
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.199
<v Speaker 1>about how to do AI and JavaScript. I'm putting together

1162
01:06:12.280 --> 01:06:16.960
<v Speaker 1>an AI summit at the end of September, and just

1163
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:19.079
<v Speaker 1>to give you a little bit of context, it's not

1164
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.280
<v Speaker 1>focused on JavaScript or Ruby or any other language per se.

1165
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.079
<v Speaker 1>It is primarily focused on how do you add AI

1166
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 1>features to your apps, So we're also not getting into

1167
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:33.719
<v Speaker 1>PyTorch or anything like that. And then I'm going to

1168
01:06:33.800 --> 01:06:37.599
<v Speaker 1>do a boot camp starting in late October early November,

1169
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and we'll go through Okay, here's how you use some

1170
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.280
<v Speaker 1>of the transcription services. Here's how you use some of

1171
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:48.400
<v Speaker 1>the the services like chat or GPT four, or you

1172
01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:50.079
<v Speaker 1>know some of the other ones that are out there.

1173
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.480
<v Speaker 1>If you need a more custom model, here's how you

1174
01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:56.199
<v Speaker 1>use LAMA three or something like that. So we're just

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<v Speaker 1>going to go into all of that, some of the

1176
01:06:57.599 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 1>other computer vision and image generation, video generation.

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01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:03.400
<v Speaker 5>So we'll get into all of that in the boot camp.

1178
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:07.719
<v Speaker 1>And so I don't have a website for it yet,

1179
01:07:07.760 --> 01:07:09.639
<v Speaker 1>but that's coming. So if you sign up for the

1180
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.199
<v Speaker 1>summit or sign it for the email list, you'll definitely

1181
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.159
<v Speaker 1>get notified when.

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01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.519
<v Speaker 5>That comes out. So those are my picks totally. What

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01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:16.400
<v Speaker 5>are your picks?

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01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I've got three. The first one is a

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01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:25.440
<v Speaker 2>hobby you might want to try if you want to

1186
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:30.239
<v Speaker 2>get better at communication. The general umbrella is called authentic relating,

1187
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.360
<v Speaker 2>and then there are a few sub communities. There's NBC

1188
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:43.559
<v Speaker 2>Nonviolent Communication and circling. And I forgot the third one. Yeah,

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01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:48.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a really great group of people. You build type ons,

1190
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:53.199
<v Speaker 2>you get to know yourself more, and I've noticed my

1191
01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:56.840
<v Speaker 2>ability to communicate with my coworkers really increased since I

1192
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:04.880
<v Speaker 2>started doing it. The second one is akuryoga or partner acrobatics.

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01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Essentially you do acrobatics with somebody else, but it has

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01:08:11.760 --> 01:08:16.199
<v Speaker 2>a more smooth kind of feel to it rather than cheerleading.

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01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's also a really great way to get to

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01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.960
<v Speaker 2>know other people and learn more of that somatic communication.

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01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>And the third thing is a resource that I've been writing.

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01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 2>It's called The Neurodivergent Guide to the Workplace. So if

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01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:39.479
<v Speaker 2>you identify as neurodivergent, or if you simply want to

1200
01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:45.600
<v Speaker 2>learn some cool tricks on how to navigate the workplace,

1201
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 2>better check it out. It's on os dot, totally dot.

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<v Speaker 5>Me awesome, all right. If people want to follow you online,

1203
01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:56.680
<v Speaker 5>where do they find you?

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01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Totally dot me.

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<v Speaker 1>Last thing, it's lcsquad dot com for the lead Code

1206
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:05.319
<v Speaker 1>meet up if you're in New.

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01:09:05.239 --> 01:09:09.000
<v Speaker 4>York and totally is t o l I right, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, thanks for coming. Tell Jeff thanks for us.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll wrap it up until next time.

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<v Speaker 5>Max Al