Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great America, and welcome this sunny
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon in the Tri State.
Speaker 2: The rain's going away till the weekend. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Then Red's baseball kicks off about five forty five to night.
Speaker 1: Terrible game last night, Singer, he was off key completely.
Speaker 1: It's terrible and Red's put up eight runs, didn't do
Speaker 1: any good. But nonetheless back out at tonight with the
Speaker 1: Nationals national stink. So we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 1: But the city announced big pow wow a by having
Speaker 1: extra police patrols from Central Parkway to Liberty on two blocks.
Speaker 1: I think it's up Vine Street and back in Main Street.
Speaker 1: So cops when it's eighty five or ninety five degrees
Speaker 1: will be walking up and down from Vine Street, getting
Speaker 1: some great extracife, maybe stopping in the graters here and there,
Speaker 1: talking to the residents, finding what's going on. Of course,
Speaker 1: relying upon Iris Rowley. The mother of Cincinnati is Iris Rowley,
Speaker 1: and she'll be there with her six figure salary talking
Speaker 1: to the resident to see what they need. But a
Speaker 1: man that has perspective on all this is the great
Speaker 1: Sergeant Dan Hills. He's now more or less retired with
Speaker 1: frontline advisors thirty five years in the mean streets of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Now has gotten visa, has a passport. I think he
Speaker 1: lives in Warren County. Got out alive, and Sergeant Dan Hills,
Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Since you know
Speaker 1: where the bodies are buried all over Cincinnati, can you
Speaker 1: tell me the law enforcement value of having police officers
Speaker 1: in a defined area flooding the district with two or
Speaker 1: three police officers leaving bear all the other streets in OTR.
Speaker 1: There's about seven or eight total blocks, and they're going
Speaker 1: to patrol two of the seven or eight.
Speaker 2: Will that help, Dan Hills? Will that help?
Speaker 3: I think it might help three seed easy, It might
Speaker 3: help the dinner reservation numbers might have been down a
Speaker 3: little because of all the news and evolving over a rhine.
Speaker 3: So we need we need to we need to have
Speaker 3: the wine flowing, Willie. We need to have the you know,
Speaker 3: the the flaming yon being being cooked just right, and
Speaker 3: and those restaurants and those things down there. You know,
Speaker 3: that's that's that's very vital to the way the city
Speaker 3: wants to see itself. The downtown flourishing, and of course
Speaker 3: the the vision, the vision of uh three CDC and
Speaker 3: then and over the rhine that has never I don't
Speaker 3: think it's it's come to fruition quite as as they
Speaker 3: had hoped that it would. You know, it's a lot
Speaker 3: of change. It's a whole lot different than when I
Speaker 3: was standing down there in the riots in two thousand
Speaker 3: and one. But uh, it's it's it's come a long way,
Speaker 3: but Willy, it's got a long long way to go
Speaker 3: from where they where they hope it is. And and
Speaker 3: so that's what I think the value is. And you
Speaker 3: can we could debate whether that's wrong or right. I mean,
Speaker 3: if if here somebody that's living in Mount Washington, the
Speaker 3: war Hyde Park or Taylor Park or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you haven't seen you haven't seen a police officer
Speaker 3: in a month of Sundays, then you might say, well,
Speaker 3: this is this ain't too cool. But uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the city sees itself, you know, going up or down,
Speaker 3: on on on how downtown slashed over to rhyme progresses,
Speaker 3: and so it Yeah, I think I I read in
Speaker 3: the in the news where the union president said that
Speaker 3: this saint, this ain't the hours of the burglaries and
Speaker 3: the and the except from cars and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I would agree. And but it is the hour
Speaker 3: of like I said, a glass of wine and maybe
Speaker 3: a mixed drink for those who enjoy that going down
Speaker 3: to that air myself, like you said, I'm in Warren County. Uh,
Speaker 3: my wife and I When we say we're going downtown, yeah,
Speaker 3: or we're going to go downtown, We're either going to
Speaker 3: downtown Levinmon or downtown Loveland.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: You know, every down. Then we'll go to downtown Milford
Speaker 3: when we really want to, we want to make it
Speaker 3: up a little bit, we'll go down. Yeah, we'll go
Speaker 3: to downtown Milford. But you know it's it's uh, the
Speaker 3: city wants the downtown to flirt. And that's not like
Speaker 3: I said, I I can't sit there and just throw
Speaker 3: a hand grenade after hangarnade at that. That's it. There
Speaker 3: is value in that. But again, if if your airways
Speaker 3: are reaching out to the farther reaches of the city, uh,
Speaker 3: those in Westwood and Covedale and uh Oakley and some
Speaker 3: of these places, they might be saying, well, where's my
Speaker 3: police patrol? I'm sure like because those step fromatos aren't
Speaker 3: just happening in O t R. Really, those stephf fromatos
Speaker 3: and the stolen cars are happening all over the city,
Speaker 3: and burgeries are happening all over the city. And you know,
Speaker 3: we're still down one hundred and fifty or more police.
Speaker 3: And when we're doing a concentrated effort because there's such
Speaker 3: there's such tremendous issues down there with the crime numbers
Speaker 3: and O TRUH, when you're doing those concentrated numbers, it
Speaker 3: does eventually have an effect on the the other areas
Speaker 3: that you can't you can't you can't pull a rabbit
Speaker 3: out of hat and you can't you can't just make
Speaker 3: something out of nothing that they're they're half those those
Speaker 3: patrols are coming from somewhere. And I know that's the
Speaker 3: oldest headline. I think the oldest headlines in the in
Speaker 3: the history of of of reporting is stone Sell will
Speaker 3: add more patrols house how state troopers are going to
Speaker 3: add more patrols for this event or that event? Like
Speaker 3: where are they getting all these new people? I think
Speaker 3: it's Uh, sometimes it's it's a little bit smoking mirrors,
Speaker 3: really adding patrols of smoking ears and this is a
Speaker 3: little smoking mirrors, you know, having a couple of people walking,
Speaker 3: it should have some positive effects from those few blocks.
Speaker 3: I personally wouldn't want to be the one walking those
Speaker 3: the streets you might have you might have somebody that
Speaker 3: might not be a big fan, you know, cause you
Speaker 3: cause you concern, shall I say, down in those areas
Speaker 3: you might feel a little uncovered at times.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was Sergeant Dan Hill's facts are
Speaker 1: stubborn things, and when I had your successful successor in
Speaker 1: title on Officer ken Kober, he related the fact that
Speaker 1: in the first six months of this year there were
Speaker 1: one one hundred car break ins, which means you're heading
Speaker 1: toward over two thousand car break ins. We're going to
Speaker 1: head toward about four hundred wounded, about eighty to ninety
Speaker 1: will be killed. The burglaries and rocks through windness to
Speaker 1: steal the liquor is unbridled. Channel five last night had
Speaker 1: some well intended I'm sure, a liberal Democratic female woman
Speaker 1: operating some sort of a dress shop on Vine Street
Speaker 1: saying she'd been broken into four times since the first
Speaker 1: of the year, and at some point she quit calling
Speaker 1: the police because there's nothing, nothing that they're going to do.
Speaker 1: And it's because when the arrest are made, you get
Speaker 1: to juvenile court or common police court, and the criminals
Speaker 1: are out before the paperwork is done. Then one sentencing
Speaker 1: takes place, nothing occurs. And so for those who say
Speaker 1: it's political, it really isn't. Twenty years ago the Democrats
Speaker 1: controlled everything in the city of Cincinnati and things are
Speaker 1: not bad. They've gone from Democrats to progressives, to Marxist
Speaker 1: to communists to keep going further left. And that, mom, Donna,
Speaker 1: you think it's possible to be a communist elected?
Speaker 2: The answer is yes.
Speaker 1: And so what is the sergeant dan Hill's solution to rampant,
Speaker 1: unbridled crime, mobs of teenagers taking over streets, whether it's
Speaker 1: into Oakley or in Clifton or on the banks. What
Speaker 1: is the Dan Hill's solution? Because if it isn't politics,
Speaker 1: I think Charlie Luken was, for example, I think he
Speaker 1: was a Democrat, and I think Brendan Cole was a Democrat.
Speaker 1: I don't know about Tom Striker politics, probably a Democrat.
Speaker 1: And so what changed in twenty years? The politics are
Speaker 1: the same, but the results are different.
Speaker 2: Why well, Willie.
Speaker 3: I think you have so many issues to just brush
Speaker 3: on them. You just have the rot and decay of
Speaker 3: society that continues to go further and further left. I
Speaker 3: was talking to a police friend just earlier this morning
Speaker 3: and saying, like, how many generations has it been where
Speaker 3: there is not a mother and father involved in, you know,
Speaker 3: the raising of kids. I started the mean streets of
Speaker 3: Cincinnati in nineteen eighty seven, and sometimes the bad guys
Speaker 3: to deal with, you know, they had a mother that
Speaker 3: cared or something that we could report to. I remember
Speaker 3: working with this old old policeman, Dave Shaum, God rest
Speaker 3: his soul. He we used to threaten bad guys he
Speaker 3: knew with telling their mothers on him, and they would,
Speaker 3: they would, they would, don't do that, don't do that offer.
Speaker 3: I don't tell my mom, you know, I'll get that
Speaker 3: warrant taken care of. Well, let's go take care of it.
Speaker 3: And how much that's changed. There was always a mother,
Speaker 3: maybe a grandmother, maybe a grandfather on occasions that was involved.
Speaker 3: But now you have so many generations as the generations
Speaker 3: turn over quickly because you have babies having babies. And
Speaker 3: that police friend I was talking to now, he says,
Speaker 3: he says, do you remember when you were a young policemen.
Speaker 3: He had talk to the kids, and they would aspire
Speaker 3: to be a baseball player, football player, basketball player, something
Speaker 3: like that. He says, Now these kids aspire to be thugs.
Speaker 3: That's what they want. They want to be thugs. They
Speaker 3: have no other hero worship than the thuggery around them.
Speaker 3: So you have societal rot. And you know the fact
Speaker 3: that we don't take care of the little things anymore
Speaker 3: leads to societal rot. Look at the homeless stuff down
Speaker 3: that time you brought up my front line advisor's work.
Speaker 3: I often represent correction deputies and predisciplinary hearings and the
Speaker 3: third shifters have early morning hearings, and I'll be down
Speaker 3: there and walk around see all the home almost well,
Speaker 3: this is not this morning, but yesterday morning. And uh,
Speaker 3: I had hearings both mornings. I'm walking and it's still,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just now getting little haze of light.
Speaker 3: And in the little pocket of a business was a
Speaker 3: man sleeping. And that man, well he was only half
Speaker 3: asleep because he had his jars down and let me
Speaker 3: see radio. He was giving himself some pleasure as he
Speaker 3: lay there on his side, facing into the into the door.
Speaker 3: And I think, well, you know. I guess in fact,
Speaker 3: it's become these folks bedroom. So if that's how he
Speaker 3: wakes up, uh doing that. But but I just thought
Speaker 3: of the rot of of the inner city into the decay.
Speaker 3: And there's probably a couple other homeless people sleeping within
Speaker 3: sight of of this. So do you do you want
Speaker 3: to have a business, Willie where you come down to
Speaker 3: unlock your doors and there's uh, there's something great. Big
Speaker 3: fellow there lay laying and made bed bed way your
Speaker 3: your entrance way, and and he's and he's sitting there,
Speaker 3: I don't know, thinking of thinking of some sort of
Speaker 3: pornographic thing in his mind while he's a pleasuring making
Speaker 3: self feel making himself feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: Well, Sergeant Daniels, you brought up quality of life. And
Speaker 1: I've said this for the last few years. It's the
Speaker 1: broken window theory. Take care of the small stuff that
Speaker 1: so it doesn't metastasize the large stuff.
Speaker 2: It used to be.
Speaker 1: We had a really tough, I think cruel sentencing judge
Speaker 1: named Jack Rosen who would put people in jail in
Speaker 1: the first defense for not having a driver's license for
Speaker 1: six months. Now, cops in Cincinnati aren't pulling people over
Speaker 1: because it's a pain in the neck. Let me have
Speaker 1: your license and proof of insurance. Well I don't have
Speaker 1: a license. Well where's your license. I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: have proof of insurance. No, let me run. What's your name?
Speaker 1: I don't want to give you my name. What's your
Speaker 1: data birth? I might give you my data birth. And
Speaker 1: so suddenly then you tell somebody I'm gonna pull you
Speaker 1: out of the car and I'm gonna find out who
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 2: Well, none of that happens today.
Speaker 1: And so it was a sense that we pull large
Speaker 1: peoples over, people over for minor traffic violations. It leads
Speaker 1: to this, then it leads to that, and then it
Speaker 1: leads to this. So we have large numbers of curfew violators,
Speaker 1: which they used to have rec centers to take the
Speaker 1: kids to rec centers, have their parents come pick them up.
Speaker 2: But they don't do that anymore. I see open air drug.
Speaker 1: Sales at Washington Park and open air marijuana use. I
Speaker 1: go up to two cops and duty's sitting there. I'm
Speaker 1: watching this family draw. All of them are smoking pot.
Speaker 1: He said, well, we don't enforce that anymore. I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, it is a state criminal statute. He said,
Speaker 1: but we're told not to enforce that anymore. Drunkenness, homelessness,
Speaker 1: bricks through windows. The little things lead to bigger things.
Speaker 1: And then when they do arrest somebody. Ken Kober tells
Speaker 1: me that to get a bond set, it's always no bond.
Speaker 3: Hell.
Speaker 1: A magistrate Anita Birding, about two weeks ago set a
Speaker 1: low bond on some eighteen year old that shot a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old in the back of the head and
Speaker 1: robbed them. And that kid's out on the street with
Speaker 1: his gun. The Ryan Hinton model just turn eighteen years old.
Speaker 1: Life of Rhyme and the social media postings have him
Speaker 1: with looks like the Fredo Bandino with numerous guns hanging
Speaker 1: from him as if it's a compliment. So you take
Speaker 1: care of the small stuff, that doesn't become the big stuff.
Speaker 1: Now we don't do the small stuff, it becomes the
Speaker 1: big stuff when the big stuff happens. Shoot somebody in
Speaker 1: the back of the head. I don't bond anyway.
Speaker 3: That's the problem, not even taking care of the big stuff.
Speaker 3: And I willly you know you you bring me back
Speaker 3: to the good old days. I remember Judge Rosen, I'm
Speaker 3: sure you remember Judge hammerm hard. Harry mcawain absolutely, absolutely, yes, Uh,
Speaker 3: A couple others you know that that were just fabulous that.
Speaker 3: You know, when we walked back from the room, we
Speaker 3: we knew the bad we knew the bad guy was
Speaker 3: was going to regret their actions to some degree. And
Speaker 3: that that's that's why I said, it's so, it's so
Speaker 3: many societal issues. I don't know where to begin. You know,
Speaker 3: if you ask me what what would I do? I
Speaker 3: would do everything I could get our numbers back up.
Speaker 3: I would do everything I could publicly front out the
Speaker 3: the the judges and the sheriff and the prosecutor, everything
Speaker 3: I could to get them to get as busy as
Speaker 3: they could. And then I would probably explore putting more
Speaker 3: and more folks out there. And this is this is
Speaker 3: after the murder of the of the gym owner. I
Speaker 3: was thinking, why why not have more people out there
Speaker 3: in our our criminal apprehension units to where we're out
Speaker 3: there looking for all these wanted folks, because we know
Speaker 3: we got hundreds, we got thousands of people want And
Speaker 3: that's what they were talking about. The bad guy in
Speaker 3: that case, Mordecai Black, he was he was wanted, but
Speaker 3: he wasn't necessarily, I know the cofferme on the computer ones,
Speaker 3: but even going to the radar of the of the
Speaker 3: of our Major Apprehensions unit, they are too busy looking
Speaker 3: for people who shot people kill people. If we would
Speaker 3: expand those units and go out there and just start
Speaker 3: going after all of our violent wanted felon's and get
Speaker 3: them off the streets, because they're the ones that are
Speaker 3: repeat offending it over and over and over again. But
Speaker 3: it doesn't work unless the next steps of the justice
Speaker 3: system are also intact. And there's not a whole lot
Speaker 3: you can do about that if you're the police chief.
Speaker 3: But if I was the police chief, I would do
Speaker 3: everything I could do at my end, Like I said,
Speaker 3: I'd get those numbers back up by pressure city Hall
Speaker 3: to make those numbers greater, because when you have a
Speaker 3: lack of the back end of the justice system, you
Speaker 3: more or less need an occupying army. And that's what
Speaker 3: they're showing you. And yeah, it's probably business is probably
Speaker 3: three CDC that's forcing the officers to be there. But
Speaker 3: there should be officers like that and all sorts of
Speaker 3: problem areas around the city, and we should be locking
Speaker 3: folks up. And back to the pressure campaign doing everything
Speaker 3: you can from you know her end, from the police
Speaker 3: chief's end. There's more that could be done. You got
Speaker 3: to get the mayor. You got to get the mayor
Speaker 3: fired up. He's got to start confronting the county officials.
Speaker 3: He's got to startling against democratic buddies. And and that's
Speaker 3: not gonna have a witness.
Speaker 2: That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Now, I know by'm wishful thinking. Give me a little
Speaker 3: witchful thinking.
Speaker 2: Here, Sergeant Hills. I'll say this.
Speaker 1: If somebody wants to break into a business or into
Speaker 1: a car, which happens two thousand times every year, don't
Speaker 1: do it between four to twelve at four pm to
Speaker 1: midnight on Maine and Vine Street.
Speaker 2: Wait till one am in the morning, and you're good
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 1: Instead of saying, you know what, it's smoking mirrors, it's
Speaker 1: not reality.
Speaker 3: It is. Indeed, it's smoking mirrors. But I think you
Speaker 3: can be a little bit more comfortable if you're if
Speaker 3: you're going downtown, they have yourself a cocktail, and that's
Speaker 3: that's step sependlorus.
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Peppin Dolores and get some shrimp
Speaker 1: flombay and pasta. Bolina's and I feel good about it.
Speaker 1: Just get out by midnight because that's when the streets
Speaker 1: are turned over. All right, Sergeant Dan Hills, I was
Speaker 1: going to talk to you about Covington police who've become
Speaker 1: a big issue beating the crap out of protesters. In Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: they give them little paper tick. In Covington, they kick
Speaker 1: your ass. And that's the way things are. The poor
Speaker 1: cops going to be in the crosshairs that Davey Muir
Speaker 1: of ABC News until he's fired. We'll talk about that
Speaker 1: some other day. But Sergeant Dan Hills, Frontline Advisors, thirty
Speaker 1: five years in the business, a proud resident of Warren County.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And sergeant
Speaker 1: you're a great American. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3: God bless you you William, God bless America.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: It's been several days, but the National News has figured
Speaker 1: out there's a different approach to lawbreakers in Covington as
Speaker 1: opposed as Cincinnati and Cincinnati they hand you a daisy
Speaker 1: and a piece of paper. In Covington, they kick your ass.
Speaker 1: Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham News. Next, that's your
Speaker 1: home of the Reds. Maybe a win tonight in Washington
Speaker 1: on news radio seven hundred WLW