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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning in the Great America, and welcome this sunny

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday afternoon in the Tri State.

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<v Speaker 2>The rain's going away till the weekend. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Red's baseball kicks off about five forty five to night.

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<v Speaker 1>Terrible game last night, Singer, he was off key completely.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrible and Red's put up eight runs, didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>any good. But nonetheless back out at tonight with the

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<v Speaker 1>Nationals national stink. So we'll see what happens with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the city announced big pow wow a by having

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<v Speaker 1>extra police patrols from Central Parkway to Liberty on two blocks.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's up Vine Street and back in Main Street.

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<v Speaker 1>So cops when it's eighty five or ninety five degrees

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<v Speaker 1>will be walking up and down from Vine Street, getting

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<v Speaker 1>some great extracife, maybe stopping in the graters here and there,

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<v Speaker 1>talking to the residents, finding what's going on. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>relying upon Iris Rowley. The mother of Cincinnati is Iris Rowley,

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<v Speaker 1>and she'll be there with her six figure salary talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the resident to see what they need. But a

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<v Speaker 1>man that has perspective on all this is the great

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<v Speaker 1>Sergeant Dan Hills. He's now more or less retired with

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<v Speaker 1>frontline advisors thirty five years in the mean streets of Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>Now has gotten visa, has a passport. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>lives in Warren County. Got out alive, and Sergeant Dan Hills,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. Since you know

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<v Speaker 1>where the bodies are buried all over Cincinnati, can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell me the law enforcement value of having police officers

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<v Speaker 1>in a defined area flooding the district with two or

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<v Speaker 1>three police officers leaving bear all the other streets in OTR.

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<v Speaker 1>There's about seven or eight total blocks, and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to patrol two of the seven or eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Will that help, Dan Hills? Will that help?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it might help three seed easy, It might

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<v Speaker 3>help the dinner reservation numbers might have been down a

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<v Speaker 3>little because of all the news and evolving over a rhine.

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<v Speaker 3>So we need we need to we need to have

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<v Speaker 3>the wine flowing, Willie. We need to have the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the the flaming yon being being cooked just right, and

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<v Speaker 3>and those restaurants and those things down there. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's that's very vital to the way the city

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<v Speaker 3>wants to see itself. The downtown flourishing, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>the the vision, the vision of uh three CDC and

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<v Speaker 3>then and over the rhine that has never I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think it's it's come to fruition quite as as they

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<v Speaker 3>had hoped that it would. You know, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of change. It's a whole lot different than when I

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<v Speaker 3>was standing down there in the riots in two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and one. But uh, it's it's it's come a long way,

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<v Speaker 3>but Willy, it's got a long long way to go

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<v Speaker 3>from where they where they hope it is. And and

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<v Speaker 3>so that's what I think the value is. And you

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<v Speaker 3>can we could debate whether that's wrong or right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>if if here somebody that's living in Mount Washington, the

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<v Speaker 3>war Hyde Park or Taylor Park or something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and you haven't seen you haven't seen a police officer

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<v Speaker 3>in a month of Sundays, then you might say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this ain't too cool. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the city sees itself, you know, going up or down,

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<v Speaker 3>on on on how downtown slashed over to rhyme progresses,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it Yeah, I think I I read in

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<v Speaker 3>the in the news where the union president said that

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<v Speaker 3>this saint, this ain't the hours of the burglaries and

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<v Speaker 3>the and the except from cars and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would agree. And but it is the hour

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<v Speaker 3>of like I said, a glass of wine and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>a mixed drink for those who enjoy that going down

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<v Speaker 3>to that air myself, like you said, I'm in Warren County. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>my wife and I When we say we're going downtown, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>or we're going to go downtown, We're either going to

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<v Speaker 3>downtown Levinmon or downtown Loveland.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, every down. Then we'll go to downtown Milford

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<v Speaker 3>when we really want to, we want to make it

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<v Speaker 3>up a little bit, we'll go down. Yeah, we'll go

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<v Speaker 3>to downtown Milford. But you know it's it's uh, the

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<v Speaker 3>city wants the downtown to flirt. And that's not like

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I I can't sit there and just throw

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<v Speaker 3>a hand grenade after hangarnade at that. That's it. There

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<v Speaker 3>is value in that. But again, if if your airways

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<v Speaker 3>are reaching out to the farther reaches of the city, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>those in Westwood and Covedale and uh Oakley and some

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<v Speaker 3>of these places, they might be saying, well, where's my

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<v Speaker 3>police patrol? I'm sure like because those step fromatos aren't

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<v Speaker 3>just happening in O t R. Really, those stephf fromatos

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<v Speaker 3>and the stolen cars are happening all over the city,

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<v Speaker 3>and burgeries are happening all over the city. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we're still down one hundred and fifty or more police.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we're doing a concentrated effort because there's such

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<v Speaker 3>there's such tremendous issues down there with the crime numbers

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<v Speaker 3>and O TRUH, when you're doing those concentrated numbers, it

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<v Speaker 3>does eventually have an effect on the the other areas

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<v Speaker 3>that you can't you can't you can't pull a rabbit

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<v Speaker 3>out of hat and you can't you can't just make

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<v Speaker 3>something out of nothing that they're they're half those those

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<v Speaker 3>patrols are coming from somewhere. And I know that's the

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<v Speaker 3>oldest headline. I think the oldest headlines in the in

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<v Speaker 3>the history of of of reporting is stone Sell will

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<v Speaker 3>add more patrols house how state troopers are going to

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<v Speaker 3>add more patrols for this event or that event? Like

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<v Speaker 3>where are they getting all these new people? I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's Uh, sometimes it's it's a little bit smoking mirrors,

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<v Speaker 3>really adding patrols of smoking ears and this is a

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<v Speaker 3>little smoking mirrors, you know, having a couple of people walking,

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<v Speaker 3>it should have some positive effects from those few blocks.

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<v Speaker 3>I personally wouldn't want to be the one walking those

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<v Speaker 3>the streets you might have you might have somebody that

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<v Speaker 3>might not be a big fan, you know, cause you

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<v Speaker 3>cause you concern, shall I say, down in those areas

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<v Speaker 3>you might feel a little uncovered at times.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, I was Sergeant Dan Hill's facts are

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<v Speaker 1>stubborn things, and when I had your successful successor in

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<v Speaker 1>title on Officer ken Kober, he related the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>in the first six months of this year there were

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<v Speaker 1>one one hundred car break ins, which means you're heading

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<v Speaker 1>toward over two thousand car break ins. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>head toward about four hundred wounded, about eighty to ninety

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<v Speaker 1>will be killed. The burglaries and rocks through windness to

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<v Speaker 1>steal the liquor is unbridled. Channel five last night had

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<v Speaker 1>some well intended I'm sure, a liberal Democratic female woman

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<v Speaker 1>operating some sort of a dress shop on Vine Street

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<v Speaker 1>saying she'd been broken into four times since the first

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<v Speaker 1>of the year, and at some point she quit calling

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<v Speaker 1>the police because there's nothing, nothing that they're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's because when the arrest are made, you get

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<v Speaker 1>to juvenile court or common police court, and the criminals

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<v Speaker 1>are out before the paperwork is done. Then one sentencing

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<v Speaker 1>takes place, nothing occurs. And so for those who say

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<v Speaker 1>it's political, it really isn't. Twenty years ago the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>controlled everything in the city of Cincinnati and things are

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<v Speaker 1>not bad. They've gone from Democrats to progressives, to Marxist

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<v Speaker 1>to communists to keep going further left. And that, mom, Donna,

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's possible to be a communist elected?

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what is the sergeant dan Hill's solution to rampant,

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<v Speaker 1>unbridled crime, mobs of teenagers taking over streets, whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>into Oakley or in Clifton or on the banks. What

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<v Speaker 1>is the Dan Hill's solution? Because if it isn't politics,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Charlie Luken was, for example, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was a Democrat, and I think Brendan Cole was a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about Tom Striker politics, probably a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what changed in twenty years? The politics are

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<v Speaker 1>the same, but the results are different.

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<v Speaker 2>Why well, Willie.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you have so many issues to just brush

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<v Speaker 3>on them. You just have the rot and decay of

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<v Speaker 3>society that continues to go further and further left. I

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<v Speaker 3>was talking to a police friend just earlier this morning

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<v Speaker 3>and saying, like, how many generations has it been where

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<v Speaker 3>there is not a mother and father involved in, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the raising of kids. I started the mean streets of

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<v Speaker 3>Cincinnati in nineteen eighty seven, and sometimes the bad guys

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with, you know, they had a mother that

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<v Speaker 3>cared or something that we could report to. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>working with this old old policeman, Dave Shaum, God rest

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<v Speaker 3>his soul. He we used to threaten bad guys he

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<v Speaker 3>knew with telling their mothers on him, and they would,

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<v Speaker 3>they would, they would, don't do that, don't do that offer.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't tell my mom, you know, I'll get that

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<v Speaker 3>warrant taken care of. Well, let's go take care of it.

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<v Speaker 3>And how much that's changed. There was always a mother,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe a grandmother, maybe a grandfather on occasions that was involved.

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<v Speaker 3>But now you have so many generations as the generations

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<v Speaker 3>turn over quickly because you have babies having babies. And

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<v Speaker 3>that police friend I was talking to now, he says,

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<v Speaker 3>he says, do you remember when you were a young policemen.

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<v Speaker 3>He had talk to the kids, and they would aspire

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<v Speaker 3>to be a baseball player, football player, basketball player, something

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<v Speaker 3>like that. He says, Now these kids aspire to be thugs.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what they want. They want to be thugs. They

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<v Speaker 3>have no other hero worship than the thuggery around them.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have societal rot. And you know the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that we don't take care of the little things anymore

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<v Speaker 3>leads to societal rot. Look at the homeless stuff down

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<v Speaker 3>that time you brought up my front line advisor's work.

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<v Speaker 3>I often represent correction deputies and predisciplinary hearings and the

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<v Speaker 3>third shifters have early morning hearings, and I'll be down

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<v Speaker 3>there and walk around see all the home almost well,

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<v Speaker 3>this is not this morning, but yesterday morning. And uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I had hearings both mornings. I'm walking and it's still,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just now getting little haze of light.

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<v Speaker 3>And in the little pocket of a business was a

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<v Speaker 3>man sleeping. And that man, well he was only half

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<v Speaker 3>asleep because he had his jars down and let me

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<v Speaker 3>see radio. He was giving himself some pleasure as he

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<v Speaker 3>lay there on his side, facing into the into the door.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, well, you know. I guess in fact,

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<v Speaker 3>it's become these folks bedroom. So if that's how he

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<v Speaker 3>wakes up, uh doing that. But but I just thought

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<v Speaker 3>of the rot of of the inner city into the decay.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's probably a couple other homeless people sleeping within

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<v Speaker 3>sight of of this. So do you do you want

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<v Speaker 3>to have a business, Willie where you come down to

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<v Speaker 3>unlock your doors and there's uh, there's something great. Big

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<v Speaker 3>fellow there lay laying and made bed bed way your

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<v Speaker 3>your entrance way, and and he's and he's sitting there,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, thinking of thinking of some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>pornographic thing in his mind while he's a pleasuring making

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<v Speaker 3>self feel making himself feel comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Sergeant Daniels, you brought up quality of life. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've said this for the last few years. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>broken window theory. Take care of the small stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't metastasize the large stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a really tough, I think cruel sentencing judge

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<v Speaker 1>named Jack Rosen who would put people in jail in

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<v Speaker 1>the first defense for not having a driver's license for

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<v Speaker 1>six months. Now, cops in Cincinnati aren't pulling people over

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a pain in the neck. Let me have

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<v Speaker 1>your license and proof of insurance. Well I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a license. Well where's your license. I'm not sure you

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<v Speaker 1>have proof of insurance. No, let me run. What's your name?

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<v Speaker 1>data birth? I might give you my data birth. And

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<v Speaker 1>so suddenly then you tell somebody I'm gonna pull you

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<v Speaker 2>Well, none of that happens today.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it was a sense that we pull large

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<v Speaker 1>peoples over, people over for minor traffic violations. It leads

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<v Speaker 1>to this, then it leads to that, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>leads to this. So we have large numbers of curfew violators,

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<v Speaker 1>which they used to have rec centers to take the

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't do that anymore. I see open air drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Sales at Washington Park and open air marijuana use. I

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<v Speaker 1>go up to two cops and duty's sitting there. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>watching this family draw. All of them are smoking pot.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, well, we don't enforce that anymore. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it is a state criminal statute. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're told not to enforce that anymore. Drunkenness, homelessness,

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<v Speaker 1>bricks through windows. The little things lead to bigger things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when they do arrest somebody. Ken Kober tells

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<v Speaker 3>Hell.

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<v Speaker 1>A magistrate Anita Birding, about two weeks ago set a

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<v Speaker 1>low bond on some eighteen year old that shot a

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<v Speaker 1>robbed them. And that kid's out on the street with

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<v Speaker 1>his gun. The Ryan Hinton model just turn eighteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Life of Rhyme and the social media postings have him

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<v Speaker 1>care of the small stuff, that doesn't become the big stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we don't do the small stuff, it becomes the

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<v Speaker 1>big stuff when the big stuff happens. Shoot somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the head. I don't bond anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the problem, not even taking care of the big stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>And I willly you know you you bring me back

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<v Speaker 3>to the good old days. I remember Judge Rosen, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sure you remember Judge hammerm hard. Harry mcawain absolutely, absolutely, yes, Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>A couple others you know that that were just fabulous that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when we walked back from the room, we

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<v Speaker 3>we knew the bad we knew the bad guy was

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<v Speaker 3>that that's that's why I said, it's so, it's so

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<v Speaker 3>many societal issues. I don't know where to begin. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>if you ask me what what would I do? I

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<v Speaker 3>would do everything I could get our numbers back up.

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<v Speaker 3>I would do everything I could publicly front out the

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<v Speaker 3>the the judges and the sheriff and the prosecutor, everything

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<v Speaker 3>I could to get them to get as busy as

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<v Speaker 3>they could. And then I would probably explore putting more

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<v Speaker 3>and more folks out there. And this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>after the murder of the of the gym owner. I

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<v Speaker 3>was thinking, why why not have more people out there

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<v Speaker 3>in our our criminal apprehension units to where we're out

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<v Speaker 3>there looking for all these wanted folks, because we know

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<v Speaker 3>we got hundreds, we got thousands of people want And

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<v Speaker 3>that's what they were talking about. The bad guy in

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<v Speaker 3>that case, Mordecai Black, he was he was wanted, but

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't necessarily, I know the cofferme on the computer ones,

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<v Speaker 3>but even going to the radar of the of the

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<v Speaker 3>of our Major Apprehensions unit, they are too busy looking

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<v Speaker 3>for people who shot people kill people. If we would

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<v Speaker 3>expand those units and go out there and just start

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<v Speaker 3>going after all of our violent wanted felon's and get

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<v Speaker 3>them off the streets, because they're the ones that are

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<v Speaker 3>repeat offending it over and over and over again. But

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't work unless the next steps of the justice

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<v Speaker 3>system are also intact. And there's not a whole lot

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<v Speaker 3>you can do about that if you're the police chief.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I was the police chief, I would do

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<v Speaker 3>everything I could do at my end, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd get those numbers back up by pressure city Hall

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<v Speaker 3>to make those numbers greater, because when you have a

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<v Speaker 3>lack of the back end of the justice system, you

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<v Speaker 3>more or less need an occupying army. And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>they're showing you. And yeah, it's probably business is probably

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<v Speaker 3>three CDC that's forcing the officers to be there. But

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<v Speaker 3>there should be officers like that and all sorts of

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<v Speaker 3>problem areas around the city, and we should be locking

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<v Speaker 3>folks up. And back to the pressure campaign doing everything

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<v Speaker 3>you can from you know her end, from the police

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<v Speaker 3>chief's end. There's more that could be done. You got

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<v Speaker 3>to get the mayor. You got to get the mayor

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<v Speaker 3>fired up. He's got to start confronting the county officials.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got to startling against democratic buddies. And and that's

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<v Speaker 3>not gonna have a witness.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I know by'm wishful thinking. Give me a little

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<v Speaker 3>witchful thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, Sergeant Hills. I'll say this.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody wants to break into a business or into

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<v Speaker 1>a car, which happens two thousand times every year, don't

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<v Speaker 1>do it between four to twelve at four pm to

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<v Speaker 2>Wait till one am in the morning, and you're good

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of saying, you know what, it's smoking mirrors, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not reality.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. Indeed, it's smoking mirrors. But I think you

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<v Speaker 3>can be a little bit more comfortable if you're if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going downtown, they have yourself a cocktail, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's step sependlorus.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go to Peppin Dolores and get some shrimp

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<v Speaker 1>flombay and pasta. Bolina's and I feel good about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get out by midnight because that's when the streets

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<v Speaker 1>are turned over. All right, Sergeant Dan Hills, I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk to you about Covington police who've become

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<v Speaker 1>a big issue beating the crap out of protesters. In Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>they give them little paper tick. In Covington, they kick

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<v Speaker 1>your ass. And that's the way things are. The poor

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<v Speaker 1>cops going to be in the crosshairs that Davey Muir

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<v Speaker 1>of ABC News until he's fired. We'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>some other day. But Sergeant Dan Hills, Frontline Advisors, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five years in the business, a proud resident of Warren County.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And sergeant

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<v Speaker 1>you're a great American. Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>God bless you you William, God bless America.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been several days, but the National News has figured

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<v Speaker 1>out there's a different approach to lawbreakers in Covington as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed as Cincinnati and Cincinnati they hand you a daisy

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<v Speaker 1>and a piece of paper. In Covington, they kick your ass.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham News. Next, that's your

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<v Speaker 1>home of the Reds. Maybe a win tonight in Washington

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