WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:16.800 Podcast join host Hoho as he discusses the rimiting Netflix 2 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:24.879 original series Black Mirror. Now Here he is hoo Per 3 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:30.280 broadcasting from Weapini Soft Productions Studio B. Welcome to Black 4 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:33.920 Mirror Podcast and as always I'm your host ho Ho. 5 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:36.640 So hey, y'all's doing I hope you're doing good. I 6 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:40.640 really do, because today we are continuing in season seven 7 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:47.079 with episode five titled Eulogy. Now, I'll tell you what 8 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:51.039 this episode was, you know, a bit of a tear 9 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:56.399 jerker kind of you know, provocative, made you think a 10 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.399 little bit, and it is definitely a story of what 11 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:06.519 happened really when perception does not match reality. I mean, 12 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:10.319 I know we've heard it said right that perception is reality, 13 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:15.000 But what happens when it isn't what happens when what 14 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:22.640 you perceive to have been isn't actually what happened at all. 15 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:27.920 And that's kind of what this episode is about. Now 16 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:30.959 we see in this episode the same thing that we've 17 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:34.079 seen in several other episodes, and that is a repeat 18 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:39.200 in a matter of speaking of technology being used. And 19 00:01:39.319 --> 00:01:41.680 in this case, I thought this was pretty stick and 20 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:44.959 awesome how this ended up playing out. Now, they used 21 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.760 this little tech thing that attaches to the side of 22 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:50.959 your head, right there on your temple, and that's kind 23 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:56.200 of what it uses to, you know, connect in essence 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:03.719 with your brain and allow you to to see in 25 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.439 a you know. Well, how they ended up using this 26 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.639 in this was see and go into the pictures. I 27 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:15.159 thought was awesome. So this episode starts, and by the way, 28 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.960 before we go any further, spoiler alert, we are going 29 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.400 to be talking about eulogy. So if you have yet 30 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.560 to see this episode in Black Mirror, head on over 31 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:30.400 to Netflix watch it, and then come on back for 32 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.159 the discussion. So let's go ahead and get into it now. 33 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:38.840 This episode started off pretty basic, pretty simple, and whenever 34 00:02:38.919 --> 00:02:42.479 I seen the actor that was in this, I was like, Ooh, 35 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:47.479 I like this guy. This is h you know, Paul Giamaidi. 36 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:49.800 I'm probably butchering his last name, but whatever, I mean. 37 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:52.599 I've seen him in quite a few different things. An 38 00:02:52.639 --> 00:02:56.280 awesome actor, he really is. I like his screen presence, 39 00:02:56.319 --> 00:03:00.680 I like his you know, just what he brings to 40 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:02.680 a character, I really do. I like it. I like 41 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:07.280 the guy. I like him a lot. And it starts 42 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:13.639 off with him and he is in America, which is 43 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.080 actually kind of odd. For this series. I mean, not 44 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:20.000 a lot of you know, what goes on in Black 45 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:25.840 Mirror actually takes place in America. You don't really see that. 46 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:27.759 You know, this is more or less something that takes 47 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:31.960 place in Great Britain or in some other utopian place, 48 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:36.560 you know, not really in America. So it was kind 49 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.360 of neat to see one kind of I guess take 50 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:42.080 place in America. I mean, did it really I don't know, 51 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.840 probably not, but at any rate in the episode, that's 52 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:47.840 what it is. I mean, it's taken place in America. 53 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:50.960 Kind of cool. I thought that was nifty. But he's, 54 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.120 you know, walking around in his apartment, you know, things are, 55 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:59.560 you know whatever, and he gets a telephone call a 56 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:03.759 random and it's asking him if he knows Carol, and 57 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:07.439 I forget what the you know what the last name 58 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:09.879 that they use and he's like, no, I don't know 59 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.360 a Carol and it's like Carol this name and it 60 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.839 is like, well, no, I really don't. Can't say as 61 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:19.560 if I recall Carol something or another, and then it 62 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:27.680 was like, well her middle name was this, and he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, 63 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:35.480 I know I know that Carol. And they're introducing this 64 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.279 as a you know, eulogy telling him that Carol had 65 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:50.800 passed away, and this was uh Phillip's ex girlfriend, and 66 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:55.519 it's like she passed away, she had a daughter, her 67 00:04:55.600 --> 00:05:01.120 name was Kelly, and upon Kelly's request, trying to get 68 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:08.759 as much information, you know, pictures, any other type of memory, 69 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:11.800 kind of filling the gaps of Carol's life. This is 70 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:16.199 what we're doing. Do you happen to have any pictures 71 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.519 or anything else of Carol that you would like to 72 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:26.040 include in the eulogy. And this is a guide that 73 00:05:26.199 --> 00:05:31.560 is talking to him and he's like, well, you know, 74 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:35.439 not exactly. She's like, well, how about we just send 75 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:37.319 you this package and then we'll go from there. And 76 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:42.680 it's like okay. And next thing you see is, you know, 77 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:47.360 this drone flying in. You know, now obviously time passes, 78 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.360 but you know whatever, this drone's flying in and dropping 79 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:55.839 off a package from DHS No DHL. I'm sorry. Now 80 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.480 as soon as this, you know, I see this thing 81 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.720 coming in and I'm like, oh wow, you know, now 82 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.120 I know that these things, or at least from what 83 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.519 I have read that these things are a thing, right, 84 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:14.120 you know, But where I'm from, you don't see drones 85 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:19.120 delivering packages. You know, for me, that's just a little 86 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:23.639 on the huh. You know, and especially considering where Paul 87 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:27.160 lives in this episode that you know, you really wouldn't 88 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.800 think that this would be something he would get a 89 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:33.959 drone delivering a package. But I'm like, okay, you know whatever, 90 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:36.079 But I thought it was kind of neat. I've never 91 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:40.240 seen that before. I really haven't. I mean, granted, I mean, 92 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.279 I'm sure that there's YouTube videos out there on this. Okay, sure, 93 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:46.480 Now this is assuming that it does, you know, exist. 94 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.199 I know, this is technology that they are working on utilizing. 95 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:53.399 I don't know how far into it that they are. 96 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.600 I really have no idea, but to actually see it, 97 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:00.600 I was like, that's that's kind of pretty neat. Nothing 98 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:03.720 that I have seen where I'm at. Maybe you've had 99 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.519 a different experience, you know, offered you know, some places 100 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:10.120 in the city. Yeah, they do drone deliveries. It's just 101 00:07:10.199 --> 00:07:13.839 to me, it's it's alien, right, it's foreign, it is 102 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.439 it is to me. I mean, are things different where 103 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.480 you're at. Let me know. Let me know down in 104 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:21.680 the comments below. Send me an email Hoh at Black 105 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:25.639 Mirror podcast dot com. Because I'm kind of curious, you know, 106 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:28.879 is this something that's commonplace where you're at but any rate, 107 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:33.040 any rate, So he opens up this package, right, and 108 00:07:33.079 --> 00:07:37.279 it's kind of a brochure explaining what eulogy is, what 109 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.000 they do. He doesn't really read it. It's just kind 110 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:41.920 of like a okay, yeah, there's words here, and he 111 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:46.800 puts it down, you know, and sees this this little 112 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:51.600 disc you know, the the the uplink into into his brain. 113 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:53.720 But he doesn't you know, know it at the time, 114 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.399 and you know, he's talking into it, and you know, 115 00:07:57.480 --> 00:08:00.680 he gets the the little intro and he he's like, look, 116 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:02.959 I don't want to hear about it, just you know, 117 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:05.759 let's get the intro. What do you want? What do 118 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:11.199 you want me to do? Because you know it's what 119 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:15.759 I have, what I remember. I don't really see this 120 00:08:15.959 --> 00:08:22.399 helping you out. But the guide kind of talks him 121 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:28.480 into at least looking and he finds, you know, he 122 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.519 goes up into the attic, I don't know, down into 123 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.120 the basement. I have no idea where he actually ends 124 00:08:34.200 --> 00:08:37.399 up going. I don't remember, but he opens up a 125 00:08:37.399 --> 00:08:40.320 box and he sees some stuff in there, and I 126 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:43.840 guess he grabs three different pictures and in this picture, 127 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.120 it's like, it's not really much of a help, right 128 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:52.559 because in what of the picture it's her back is 129 00:08:52.600 --> 00:09:00.039 to the camera and you can't see her face. But 130 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:07.279 what is awesome is what kind of happens next because 131 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.440 the guide is like, do you want to go into 132 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:16.120 the photo? And he's like, what are you talking about? 133 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:20.960 Do you want to go into the photos? It's easiest 134 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:24.320 instead of explaining it to you, I'll just show you 135 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:26.200 what it is I'm talking about. And then she's like, 136 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:30.759 placed a little disc on your temple and then you 137 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:36.519 can we'll go from there, right, And so he does 138 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:41.519 and just like in the entire history of you, you know, 139 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:43.840 the eyes well not just entire history of you know, 140 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.399 I guess there's been several different episodes, and you know 141 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:50.480 one of them is Striking Vipers, I guess, and you know, 142 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:55.279 the eyes kind of go cloudy in a way because 143 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:58.279 now instead of using his eyeballs, it's his it's his 144 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:03.360 mind's eye. And this was so cool how they ended 145 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:06.759 up using this technology, right, I mean, I thought this 146 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:12.960 was wow because instead of just looking at a two 147 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:21.960 D image, a two dimensional picture, he was in the 148 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.879 photographs as in you know, as if everything that was 149 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.360 there is now in a three D environment that he 150 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:35.480 can walk in and around and really see what was there. 151 00:10:35.519 --> 00:10:39.600 I thought that was awesome. I'm like, dude, that was 152 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:48.519 so cool. I mean, now, the first time I've that, 153 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:53.159 I could recall in Black Mirror that they've used the 154 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:57.360 technology as in, you know, some sort of an uplink 155 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.879 to blend a two D fot into a three dimensional world. 156 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.519 This is the first time that I've seen this, you know, 157 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:09.840 a little bit different than what they had in Oh, 158 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:16.799 what show was that Hotel Riverie, Yeah, a little bit 159 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:23.759 different than that. But I just how they ended up 160 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:31.200 using the technology in this episode I thought was absolutely amazing. Now, 161 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.159 I mean, for me, I'm not I'm not much of 162 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:39.600 a picture guy. I don't take a lot myself and 163 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.320 I kind of avoid, you know, having pictures taken of me. 164 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:45.320 I'm just I just I don't know, I don't have 165 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.639 a reason. I'm just I'm not. I'm not about the 166 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.799 photograph life. I'm not, you know, I mean, I know 167 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.399 that there's a lot of people out there that are, 168 00:11:53.919 --> 00:11:57.440 don't get me wrong, but it's just I've never been 169 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:01.360 that guy. You know. I don't take a lot of pictures. 170 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.360 Even though I got a you know, a cell phone 171 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:08.159 like most of us do, and that cell phone has 172 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:10.799 a pretty stake and awesome camera. I know I've kind 173 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:13.279 of played with a little bit, but I really never 174 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:16.360 used it outside of work. I mean, I've used it 175 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:19.879 for work a couple times, but just for me, I've 176 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:23.600 not really I just I just don't do that. But 177 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:29.000 how awesome would it be? Sorry about that, I had 178 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:30.519 a frog in my throat, had to cough, let me 179 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:35.879 take a quick drink. But how awesome would it be? 180 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.279 Because even though I'm not much of a picture guy, 181 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:44.480 I can still appreciate the technology. And it's not like 182 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:49.320 there aren't pictures that I've had that has you know, 183 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:51.919 been taken of me or other people that I know 184 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:59.440 that this type of technology wouldn't be just absolutely amazing. 185 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.960 It would be and how awesome would it be, you know, 186 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:11.159 to take a picture. Think back different photos that either 187 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:16.000 you've taken of somebody else, of you know, yourself, with 188 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:22.360 somebody experiencing something that you wouldn't mind experiencing again, or 189 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:29.639 at least seeing in three D. You know, I've said 190 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:34.519 that I'm not much of a picture guy, but you know, 191 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:40.000 even though I mean, there's definitely some pictures that wouldn't 192 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:45.559 just be absolutely amazing to experience in three D. I mean, 193 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:50.960 your mind's eye only goes so far, right, There's only 194 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:54.200 so much detail you can draw from a picture. There's 195 00:13:54.240 --> 00:14:00.320 only you know, even being somebody that can think three 196 00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:07.080 D still to be able to go into a picture 197 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:10.039 with all the clarity that that picture can provide and 198 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:15.240 it's like wow, to walk around it in that environment 199 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:21.120 and to really see I mean, that would just be awesome. 200 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:27.559 How many pictures do you have that utilizing this would 201 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:33.960 just blow your mind? I'm sure we all have a couple. 202 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.639 I'm sure we all have numerous or something like this 203 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:42.519 would just be holy count. I mean, like, I can 204 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:44.840 see how it could be a negative too. I mean 205 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:50.320 just like in you know, back in the first season 206 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.279 with the entire history of you. Yeah, it could be 207 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:59.120 used in the negative as long as you don't you know, 208 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:04.159 it's it's all about our own mindset, isn't it. It's 209 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.879 all about our own mindset, our own perceptions into different 210 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:09.919 things that has happened as to whether it would be 211 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.799 a good thing or a bad thing. But it's on 212 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:18.879 an individual basis. But wouldn't it still be awesome you 213 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:25.360 take some pictures of your most cherished moments, even like 214 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:29.360 in this case, and eulogy was somebody whom is no 215 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:35.279 longer in your life, but being able to see them 216 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:42.240 clearly as they were in three D. You know, my 217 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:46.399 father passed away a long time ago, you know, like 218 00:15:49.240 --> 00:15:55.399 nineteen by nineteen years ago, and yeah, I've got pictures 219 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.200 that I've seen, you know, pictures that I still have 220 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.600 a picture that I have, like right underneath my TV. 221 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.799 So whenever I'm sitting there watching something on the TV, 222 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:06.559 below that on one of the shelves is a picture 223 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:12.679 of my father. So I get to see him in 224 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.759 two D quite often, but to be able to see 225 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:21.480 him would just be so cool. I mean, that'd be awesome, 226 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:25.960 you know, I mean it just, yeah, are there people 227 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:31.159 in your life that you miss do you like to 228 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:35.159 see again? And this could be a technology that could 229 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:38.320 be used in that way. So he's he's looking at 230 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.679 these pictures and one of them is like, you know, 231 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.399 her her back is turned to the you know, the 232 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:47.440 person who took the picture, and he's like, you know, 233 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.879 I don't see her face, and that that hit because 234 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:58.480 you know, you come to find out that Philip and uh, 235 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:04.440 what's her name, Carol is? You know, they were you know, 236 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.480 they were together for a time. I don't remember how 237 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:09.039 long they were together, but they were together and then 238 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.720 things just ended up happening and you really don't know 239 00:17:11.799 --> 00:17:15.200 what ian definitely not at this point, but it's like, 240 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:20.160 you know, it's it wasn't the best of things, and 241 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:24.359 it was you know, we learned that after they separated 242 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.559 that you know, Philip's life just kind of went into 243 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.960 the toilet, right, I mean that's kind of the perception 244 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.920 of what you get that, you know, and he's blaming 245 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.880 her one hundred percent, absolutely is blaming her for everything. 246 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.799 And after these three pictures, you're really not getting any 247 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:50.039 clearer of an idea of their relationship per se. And 248 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:57.160 Philip is still not able to see Carol's face, and 249 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.000 and the guide is like, well, do you have anything else? 250 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:04.839 Maybe there's more that you have that can help out, 251 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:07.039 and maybe we'll be able to piece up, you know, 252 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:11.000 piece together enough things that will jog your memory and 253 00:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.079 you'll be able to see her face. Wouldn't that be dies? Right? 254 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.799 And he goes back to you know, where he's got everything, 255 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:26.319 and he's like, that's not going to help because with 256 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:30.799 all of the photos that he has, and you get 257 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:33.039 the idea that there's quite a few, you know, I 258 00:18:33.039 --> 00:18:35.880 think there's like, you know, a dozen or so pictures 259 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:39.519 that he's found, but in every one of these pictures, 260 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:49.680 he is either cut out her face or has marked 261 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:53.839 on it in some way to where you cannot see 262 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:59.759 the face at all. And so Philip, I mean, he's 263 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:05.799 taken this time to really remember what she looked like, 264 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:12.519 and he's not even able to see her face. I mean, 265 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:16.680 how how horrible is that, you know, somebody that you 266 00:19:16.880 --> 00:19:22.519 truly loved, truly cared about, regardless of the pain that 267 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:31.799 you felt in the moment, looking back, and not being 268 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:37.960 able to remember what they looked like. It's got to 269 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.440 be hard, you know. I mean I mentioned that, you know, 270 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.640 I've got a picture of my father, you know, right 271 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:50.359 underneath my TV. But in all honesty, it's like, I 272 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:58.319 don't remember what my father sounded like. I really don't, 273 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:06.880 you know. I mean, in time, those type of memories fade. 274 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.880 And even though there are times whenever I'll hear his voice, 275 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:14.759 there's not a tone, you know, it's more or less 276 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.319 a something that I know that he would say or 277 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:23.440 something of that nature. But it's not him. It's my 278 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:27.680 interpretation of his voice because I just don't remember what 279 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:32.240 he sounds like, you know. So to have somebody that 280 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:36.880 you cared so much about not being able to see 281 00:20:36.920 --> 00:20:45.079 them anymore, ouch not being able to remember what they 282 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:52.279 sounded like or what they looked like. And so he's, 283 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:57.359 you know, going through these memories, and as they're going 284 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:01.640 through these pictures, you kind of a little bit clearer 285 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:08.119 of an idea of what really happened between Philip and Carol. 286 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:15.960 You know, he's talking about, you know, being at this 287 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:20.079 party and this was the first time that those two 288 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:26.200 were together, and he's remembering it and it's like the 289 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:29.720 biggest positive thing that had ever happened to him in 290 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:36.319 the relationship. And then you see another picture with and 291 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:40.880 I guess there was like three pictures of this Halloween party, 292 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:47.519 and he's talking about how he was or I'm sorry, 293 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:50.759 how Carol was spending time with another guy that was 294 00:21:50.880 --> 00:21:53.799 just all over him and he was upset about that, 295 00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:59.599 ignoring the fact that he had his coworker that was 296 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:05.640 right there by his side hitting on him. But that 297 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.160 was something that he didn't remember in the moment, completely 298 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:14.559 blaming Carol for the strife that happened later on that night, 299 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:19.759 and the guide even pointed out to Philip that, hey, 300 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:27.000 you know, you look at Carol's body language, and she's 301 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.839 not all into him. He's you know, she's leaning away, 302 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.599 She's wanting to get away from him. And yet the 303 00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:38.359 only thing you can remember is that she sat right 304 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:43.920 next to him, but not taking into consideration that she 305 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:48.119 didn't want to be there. Her body language was clear, 306 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:50.079 you know, So, I mean, this is another case how 307 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:58.920 his perception of the event did not match reality. And 308 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.240 then the guides even pointing to him and pointing out, 309 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.759 I'm sorry, pointing out to him that hey, you know, 310 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.920 here you're looking down on Carol for sitting next to 311 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.640 a guy and focusing on how that hurt you. But 312 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:18.400 what you're ignoring is the fact that you had a female. 313 00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:22.240 You had a woman that was all up on you. 314 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.839 Regardless of how platonic you want to say that it was, 315 00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:35.559 how meaningless this interaction was, it was still something, and 316 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:43.559 you're ignoring one and only focusing on the other. You know, 317 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:50.519 looking back in you know relationships that I've had, isn't 318 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:54.119 this how we kind of do it. I mean, I know, 319 00:23:54.200 --> 00:24:00.319 I have, you know, And maybe we do it to 320 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:06.119 protect ourselves emotionally. Maybe we do it because you know, 321 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.119 nobody wants to be the victim in their own story. 322 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:12.000 Nobody wants to be the aggressor in their own story. 323 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:16.759 Nobody wants to be the villain in their own story. 324 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:29.160 So you vilify somebody else and you vindicate yourself, and 325 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.599 all too often, I mean, do we have to tell 326 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:37.920 ourselves lies in order to do it? We can't just 327 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:44.240 look at past events, things that happen between two people 328 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:53.359 and say I did nothing wrong. Sometimes we gotta be 329 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.640 honest with ourselves. And yet you know, I screwed that 330 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.480 up too, and we come to find find out the 331 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:07.039 Philip wasn't able to do that. He ignored what he did, 332 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:10.880 not even thinking about it, focusing only on what Carol did. 333 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:18.200 And it's like, dude, how many of us do that? 334 00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:26.240 I mean, I know I have, And don't get me wrong, 335 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:29.759 I mean, I get it. Nobody wants to be the 336 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:32.000 villain in their own story. We want to be the hero. 337 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.640 And whether it's to protect ourselves, protect our own image, 338 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:45.359 or whether it's whether it's just because hating somebody is 339 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.799 a lot easier of an emotion to deal with than 340 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:54.400 the hurt and the sorrow that comes around comes along 341 00:25:54.480 --> 00:26:02.039 with missing somebody. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's 342 00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:09.440 more of a defense mechanism. I'm guilty of it. I'm 343 00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:12.519 sure we all are in you know, some ways, shape 344 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.839 or form. I'm sure that we're all guilty of that. 345 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.559 So he's looking at pictures and you know, here you 346 00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:23.960 have a picture of her in a band, but she's 347 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.960 not playing the cello because she is a huge cello fan. 348 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.799 That's what she wants to do. Oh yeah, and by 349 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:37.319 the way, no, I think I think the band picture 350 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:39.680 was first. So yeah, the band picture, she's playing the cello. 351 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:47.640 And or in the band picture she's not playing a cello. 352 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.480 She's playing a keyboard. I apologize, she's playing the keyboard. 353 00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.319 And the guide was like, why is she playing the keyboard? 354 00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:59.880 And Phillip's like, well, the cello didn't fit the sound 355 00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.720 of our band. And the guy's like, well, why didn't 356 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:10.240 you change her sound to suit Carol? Why didn't you 357 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.680 do that? And he was like, well, she never complained 358 00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.359 about it. I mean she was you know, she was 359 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:21.359 a musician that could play anything. She was fine with it, 360 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.440 and it's like, how do you know did you ask 361 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.599 her type of thing? Right? I mean? And you're really 362 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.119 getting the idea that Philip, even though he claimed he 363 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.039 loved her, it really didn't seem as though he was 364 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.880 able to what's the word, I'm looking for, sacrifice what 365 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.519 he wanted for the sake of Carol. Like, he really 366 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:46.240 wasn't happy about doing that. He didn't want to do that. 367 00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.039 He wasn't able to sacrifice. He wasn't able to change 368 00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.240 for the sake of her. He expected her to change 369 00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:58.240 for him, but that didn't match the reality he had 370 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:03.440 drawn about their relationship, so he forgot that. And then 371 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:08.160 that's whenever we go to the Halloween thing, you know, 372 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.920 the Halloween party, and you know, we come to find 373 00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:14.039 out that you know, they were up way too late, 374 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:20.640 and he and Carol missed an opportunity that very much 375 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.920 could have been life altering for her because it was 376 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:33.079 an experience that she wanted right. But instead she got 377 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:42.039 an offer to play in a play. That's funny. I 378 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:52.880 don't remember what the play was. What was the play? Ah, 379 00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:59.839 it doesn't matter, But what's important is this play put 380 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:10.519 her in London a bit of a trip, so they 381 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:19.359 had to separate for a time. And then you hear about, 382 00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:24.359 you know, well, okay, you see another picture and it's 383 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.960 a picture of him laying on a bed flipping off 384 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:35.200 the camera. Oh sorry, And the guide asks Philip, okay, 385 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:41.880 who's taken the photo? And he's like, oh crap. It 386 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:49.359 was this gal I forget what her name was, the 387 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:54.240 same one that was being all frisky with him whenever 388 00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.599 he was at the bar working during the Halloween party, 389 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.920 the same one, and he like, you know, there was 390 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:05.680 nothing going on. He's trying to, you know, give himself 391 00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:09.640 cover that there was nothing going on. It was just 392 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:14.880 a whatever, you know it. It wouldn't have even been 393 00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:20.200 an issue had Carol not called and Emily I think 394 00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.720 Emily was her name, picked up the phone and they 395 00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.920 had an argument, a screaming match between the two, and 396 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.720 it was just it was bad, right, you know, And 397 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.279 you come to find out that, you know, maybe Philip 398 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:41.319 wasn't as blameless in this whole thing as he would 399 00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:52.359 have liked to have believed. That he was bring some 400 00:30:52.440 --> 00:31:03.279 things into context. And then I believe it was about 401 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:09.640