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Speaker 1: So thank you for joining me tonight. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about meshtastic tonight and it's going to be a
Speaker 1: really fun live stream. I got Daniel here from Spec
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Speaker 1: think we've got enough time in there for it to
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Speaker 1: want to start too early. And we're going to bring
Speaker 1: Daniel on here. Where are were? Are we right there?
Speaker 1: Hey man? What's going on?
Speaker 2: Good evening, Jason, how are you?
Speaker 1: Oh? Good man? I appreciate you taking the time out,
Speaker 1: time out tonight. So Daniel, go ahead and introduce yourself
Speaker 1: real quick, tell us about Spec five and then we
Speaker 1: can get into your presentation just as soon as you're ready.
Speaker 2: All right, all right again, thank you Jason for having us.
Speaker 2: My name is Daniel Saska. I'm I'm wearing a lot
Speaker 2: of hats at Spec five right now.
Speaker 1: Seems like it, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm a mechanical engineer by education and
Speaker 2: an experience, but I'm kind of leading the whole product
Speaker 2: team right now, which has been really exciting. And Spec five.
Speaker 2: Who are we? We're a small technology company. I don't
Speaker 2: want to call us a startup because we're trying not
Speaker 2: to operate like that, but we were based just outside
Speaker 2: of Austin, Texas. We started the business back January one
Speaker 2: of this year, so we're you know, ten ten eleven
Speaker 2: months into this thing now and it's been a wild ride,
Speaker 2: and you know we are looking to be a resource
Speaker 2: and and the kind of creator and builder of mesh networks.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 2: That's Spec five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys make some of them, some of the
Speaker 1: best looking cases for the Lilygo radios and some of
Speaker 1: uh that that one that what's that one that's called
Speaker 1: I forget what it's called the T deck. I think
Speaker 1: that looks like a BlackBerry. Yeah, several really good looking
Speaker 1: cases for like that made out of p l A
Speaker 1: if I have that right or no?
Speaker 2: G pet gg.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah pet G. So it's very good. In the
Speaker 1: in the sun in the Texas sun is as you
Speaker 1: and I both know as a thing. So good deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cool man. Yeah, okay, So we were at
Speaker 1: as I said in the if you guys didn't get
Speaker 1: my email, you should be on my email list. We
Speaker 1: were at mesh Con about three weeks ago, I think
Speaker 1: it was it's it was the first weekend of October,
Speaker 1: and Daniel gave this presentation at mesh Con and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, that was a really good presentation
Speaker 1: and I would like to have that on a live stream.
Speaker 1: So so I'm I died him to come on and
Speaker 1: give this presentation. I called it the future of mesh
Speaker 1: Tastic Networking. I hope that name is appropriate, so because
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I got out of it when
Speaker 1: you were talking at mesh Con. So that's kind of
Speaker 1: what it sounded like to me. So I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: you get started with that here in just a second.
Speaker 1: I do want to let's let's go ahead and let
Speaker 1: Frank say hi, because he's he's joined us there too, Frank,
Speaker 1: you're muted.
Speaker 3: Frank, Hey, hey, y'all, what's going on? We just got
Speaker 3: off of my cigar. Social and man, catching up with
Speaker 3: don Izzo is always a hoop. I love it. I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Yeah, is is a riot.
Speaker 3: So so as always for tonight, I'll be in the back.
Speaker 3: I'll be watching for questions, and I'm gonna be interjecting
Speaker 3: questions as they are prudent or I might hold it
Speaker 3: to the last for a nice fun lightning round.
Speaker 1: So cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, ready, Yeah.
Speaker 3: No problem, no problem. I'm still finishing my cigar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta get a I gotta get a camera
Speaker 1: set up.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I got the dsl R that I take
Speaker 3: everywhere with two do the lights with diffuses on them.
Speaker 3: I had to turn on the porch light. I forgot
Speaker 3: to turn that on to light me up a little
Speaker 3: bit better. But I haven't done this in a while,
Speaker 3: so yeah, it was fun. It was fun.
Speaker 1: Daniel, Are you a cigar guy?
Speaker 2: I dab. I wouldn't say I'm gonna fishyado or anything,
Speaker 2: but if someone hands me a good one and I
Speaker 2: know the difference between a not good one, and.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's good enough for us. That's totally good
Speaker 1: enough for us. As long as you enjoy cigars, it
Speaker 1: didn't really matter. We don't really care what level you are, but.
Speaker 3: Or just Bourbon or whatever, Bemberge and choice, just just
Speaker 3: hanging out with us, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally totally all right man, all right, thanks Frank,
Speaker 1: thanks for being in the background. Okay, Daniel, if you
Speaker 1: want to share your screen, you can do that now.
Speaker 1: Make sure it gets centered correctly over here. Absolutely, and
Speaker 1: yeah that looks Yeah, I think that's good. Okay, go ahead, man,
Speaker 1: The floor is yours.
Speaker 2: All right. So at the last minute, I added a
Speaker 2: few slides because I saw some people saying that they
Speaker 2: want to know more about mesh Tastic, so I just
Speaker 2: quickly added a few slides to account for that. But
Speaker 2: you know, the the basic thing here is mesh and
Speaker 2: decentralized comms. That's that's that's what we're all about. So
Speaker 2: mesh tastic. Uh, kind of this new excite I guess
Speaker 2: it's not relative relative. It's relatively new. Yeah, definitely compared
Speaker 2: to amateur radio. But it's it's an open source, community
Speaker 2: driven communication platform. It's decentralized, so it's generated by the
Speaker 2: by the users. There's no towers router, there's no subscriptions,
Speaker 2: no license is required because it runs on the nine
Speaker 2: to fifteen IM band. It operates on the on the LAURA,
Speaker 2: which is on the lower protocol, which is the Long
Speaker 2: Range Radio Protocol two fifty six bit encrypted both public,
Speaker 2: global and private channeling. And then you can also message
Speaker 2: user to user, so device to device, and your message
Speaker 2: can hop across other devices to get there, which is
Speaker 2: pretty cool. So yeah, centralized versus decentralized. This. When I
Speaker 2: found this diagram, I was like, this is perfect. So
Speaker 2: your cell phones, your internet are centralized. It's all coming
Speaker 2: from a hub and blasting out to you. There are
Speaker 2: mesh Wi Fi networks out there, you know, but they're
Speaker 2: still connected back to the main Internet. So mesh Tastic
Speaker 2: you can have kind of some some larger repeaters out
Speaker 2: in the world and connecting a lot of smaller say
Speaker 2: handheld devices as we inspect five call call them. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: just the the network is generated by the users. There's
Speaker 2: no central hub, there's no central owner. It is the
Speaker 2: people's network. So Spec five what we're all about is
Speaker 2: building both software and hardware to create these mesh networks
Speaker 2: and give our users, our customers, a more instant on experience.
Speaker 2: You know, right now, or at least when when mesh
Speaker 2: task really became a thing, was a very di y
Speaker 2: you know, guy in his basement garage soldering it, assembling it,
Speaker 2: designing their own three D printed case. We want to
Speaker 2: we're doing all that. We're a bunch of engineers. This
Speaker 2: is stuff that we've all done before. Our customers are
Speaker 2: people that don't want to mess with any of that.
Speaker 2: There are plenty of people in the meshtastic world, in
Speaker 2: the Meshtaska ecosystem that want to do that stuff, which
Speaker 2: is great me personally, that would be me too, But yeah,
Speaker 2: our customers are people that want that out of the
Speaker 2: box experience. And then kind of kind of some of
Speaker 2: our company goals, you know, really looking at the broad spectrum,
Speaker 2: the big picture of these decentralized communications. You know, we
Speaker 2: want to help scale this network that's community owned all
Speaker 2: across the earth. Like there's no reason why Jason and
Speaker 2: I here in Texas can't send a message to someone
Speaker 2: across a mesh netw work to the other side of
Speaker 2: the world without meeting satellites or or or rather without
Speaker 2: meeting Fiji or Internet. We want to prevent the obsolescence
Speaker 2: of these open mesh networks. You know, Mestastic is amazing.
Speaker 2: It has really started this very new niche area of communications,
Speaker 2: and who knows if it's going to last forever. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we want to be there to prevent that obsolescence. We
Speaker 2: also have a lot of experience. The members of Spec
Speaker 2: five have a lot of experience and a lot of
Speaker 2: other tech technologies, both hardware and software, and we want
Speaker 2: to be able to combine these technologies for these off
Speaker 2: grid decentralized communication again making it both useful and fun,
Speaker 2: maintaining the freedom uh no no subscriptions, keeping it private
Speaker 2: and h and as a company, we find it really
Speaker 2: important to collaborate with the community. That's why we held
Speaker 2: mesh Con to get face to face with customers and
Speaker 2: users and it was just it was a fantastic time.
Speaker 2: We're definitely going to be doing it again next year
Speaker 2: and I need to start planning that really soon. But yeah, quick,
Speaker 2: little quick, little cool little diagram here of how the
Speaker 2: Meshtastic devices operate. So your Mestastic device is a radio.
Speaker 2: It's kind of your little gateway to Laura and Meshtastic.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of the devices are going to be Bluetooth
Speaker 2: connected back to a cell phone running the Meshtastic app
Speaker 2: or in the future, our own app, and from the
Speaker 2: app you have a text messaging capability. You also have
Speaker 2: maps uh device and no data and then over the
Speaker 2: lower mesh your messages bounce around to either all devices,
Speaker 2: a group of devices, or a single device that you
Speaker 2: want to share that message with. So we've got a
Speaker 2: couple of different of our handheld devices. Here are copilot
Speaker 2: strapped on a drone. But the interesting thing about all
Speaker 2: these device is that it's not just Bluetooth. You can
Speaker 2: both You can also use Wi Fi and serial connection
Speaker 2: to either a phone or a computer to both configure
Speaker 2: the configure the mesh Tastic radio and then do the
Speaker 2: do the communications and the messenger. But yeah, the big
Speaker 2: thing that that Jason and I know was most excited
Speaker 2: about was a lot of the future stuff, the future
Speaker 2: solutions of like where can this go? You know, we
Speaker 2: expect five look at meshtastic and think it's amazing, but
Speaker 2: we see the future and that's what we want to
Speaker 2: get people excited about, because it's not just oh can
Speaker 2: I send a text message to the other side of
Speaker 2: the state. So a few of the things that we're
Speaker 2: going to be getting into very soon is looking at
Speaker 2: things like adaptive networks, transmission adjustment, and dynamic cells UH
Speaker 2: storing forward which is already which is already capability currently
Speaker 2: in in mesh Tastic, but really leveling that up and
Speaker 2: getting that broader, easier to set up, and just more functional.
Speaker 2: Combining mesh Tastic with with with directional Wi FI and
Speaker 2: t T as well as other other protocols. UH, There's
Speaker 2: there's Halo, there's a few other protocols similar to that
Speaker 2: that that operate very similar to to Laura and being
Speaker 2: able to kind of hop these these protocols, combine them together,
Speaker 2: be adaptive as to as to what's going to get
Speaker 2: your message or your data across is going to be
Speaker 2: really powerful in the future. And then something that I
Speaker 2: know my boss is super excited about is he wants
Speaker 2: to put up a satellite. This is like, this has
Speaker 2: been one of this has been one of his dreams.
Speaker 2: We've done a lot of play in in R and
Speaker 2: B with with with with drones, which is a great
Speaker 2: you know, low orbit satellite. But he wants to put
Speaker 2: something into space. And very soon we're going to start
Speaker 2: putting together like a little advisory panel. And I think
Speaker 2: I think Robert Digital Ranchers is definitely going to going
Speaker 2: to get an invite. Jason if you're if you're interested,
Speaker 2: we can include you on the list.
Speaker 3: Yo right here in the background too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Robert, Robert's going to be the expert out
Speaker 1: of the group of us. He's he's big into satellites.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a group inside of amateur radio called AMSAT,
Speaker 1: which is Amateur Radio Satellite. They deploy satellites in the
Speaker 1: space all the time. We put I say, we I
Speaker 1: filmed a local club here putting a Laura device onto
Speaker 1: a weather balloon about two years ago. We launched it
Speaker 1: from North Texas. Then we tracked it and followed it
Speaker 1: and they did it again like just like last month.
Speaker 1: I w wasn't there that time though, but like that's that.
Speaker 1: That balloon went up to like ninety or ninety five
Speaker 1: thousand feet. It was really cool. You can see that
Speaker 1: video on my channel because they had a GoPro on
Speaker 1: the balloon also, so I got all the GoPro footage
Speaker 1: off of the balloon, but it had a Laura device
Speaker 1: on it. I don't think it was mesh tastic, but
Speaker 1: it will be next time if it wouldn't this time.
Speaker 1: So uh that that's a great idea. It's a fantastic
Speaker 1: idea to have something like that. I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: see what you guys do with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so so again, we want this satellite to
Speaker 2: be very very community driven. So so there's definitely gonna
Speaker 2: be there's definitely gonna be opportunities for for some crowdfunding
Speaker 2: and maybe some sponsorship. But to be able to put
Speaker 2: a cube SAT up that will hopefully last a couple
Speaker 2: of years with with some redundant meshtastic uh and and
Speaker 2: and other mesh Mesh radios on board, maybe maybe a
Speaker 2: few other a few other frequency bands on there, just
Speaker 2: to see how everything plays together. And uh and yeah,
Speaker 2: start with one.
Speaker 3: Quick question from me here, sir, you're mentioning a lot
Speaker 3: of this other Mestastic, other types of mess technology. Can
Speaker 3: these play intertwined or you have to be play within
Speaker 3: the field.
Speaker 2: So at the moment, as far as I know, mess
Speaker 2: Tastic doesn't play along with other nine to fifteen radios.
Speaker 2: But I I want to say, and I want to
Speaker 2: hope that that is not a roadblock in the future,
Speaker 2: you know, so that that as as as other protocols
Speaker 2: come out, we can kind of open doors. So that
Speaker 2: say today, you know, ten seven, twenty four, say in
Speaker 2: two years, mestastic is done. It's not being supported, But
Speaker 2: there are tens of thousands, maybe even a million mess
Speaker 2: Tastic devices out there. Why can't someone still connect or
Speaker 2: why can't someone easily be able to reflash some different
Speaker 2: software and keep that old radio working. So that's U
Speaker 2: that's the dream.
Speaker 1: Laura is a open protocol, if I if I'm describing
Speaker 1: that correctly, Meshtastic is kind of like a version of Laura.
Speaker 1: But Laura is a larger protocol than just Meshtastic by itself.
Speaker 1: So I would think that if you could incorporate Laura
Speaker 1: into other things. You could probably expand the protocol network,
Speaker 1: the protocol communication collaboration type thing. I'm not a programmer.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it's it kind of makes sense
Speaker 1: to me that you could do that. But yes, I
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, Daniel, A good answer to that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah. Yeah, it's all all the all the
Speaker 2: all the radio hardware is all the same, yeah, on
Speaker 2: the nine fifteen, and it's kind of all the decoding
Speaker 2: and encryption of the messaging. So yeah, we'll see what
Speaker 2: the future holes. I myself am not a software guy,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I try to keep my answers in my
Speaker 2: own lane. So yeah, some of the things that we've
Speaker 2: already brought that are currently available to the community are
Speaker 2: some apps to make this whole mesh tastic thing fun.
Speaker 2: They're kind of silly, they're simple, but hopefully it people
Speaker 2: can look at this and say, like, all right, if
Speaker 2: they can allow me to play Tic tac toe with
Speaker 2: a guy sixty miles away, or chess or checkers on
Speaker 2: the mesh when my WiFi is off, when my five
Speaker 2: G is off, what else can they do with it?
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we've got three apps out on the
Speaker 2: Google Play Store coming soon to Apple sorry iPhone users,
Speaker 2: But we've got mesh tac toe Checktastic and mesh Chess.
Speaker 1: So uh, you started with the correct platform. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna put it that way. We can agree, we'll move on.
Speaker 1: We'll move on from there. That's all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: We'll move on, luckily luckily getting an app approved for
Speaker 2: the for for the Google Place, there was a lot
Speaker 2: quicker yes, so yeah, these are pretty cool. You turn
Speaker 2: off your Mestastic app, you connect your Mestastic radio to
Speaker 2: to one of our apps. Hopefully your your your friend
Speaker 2: on the other side has that same app. You send
Speaker 2: them an invite, and then your linked in a game
Speaker 2: and it's pretty cool. The if if you have a
Speaker 2: Messtastic device with with the screen, the messages that that
Speaker 2: come across are just a bunch of letters and symbols.
Speaker 2: It's really confusing. But on your phone app you get
Speaker 2: either the player moves you know, your moves, your opponent's moves,
Speaker 2: or messages like you won, you lost, et cetera. So yeah,
Speaker 2: this is just a jumping off point for for for
Speaker 2: what what can be done using these these mesh radios.
Speaker 2: Some of the more useful things that we're going to
Speaker 2: be working on will be again on the app side,
Speaker 2: So from the phone, you know, custom workflows for commercial applications,
Speaker 2: different reporting apps, sensor integration, visualization of data. And then
Speaker 2: a couple of more things that I think are really
Speaker 2: exciting is being able to do uh, text to image,
Speaker 2: Mesh to image transfer. And then something that we get
Speaker 2: asked a lot, a lot of a lot of guys
Speaker 2: send us emails and be like, does match Pastic do voice.
Speaker 2: We're like, no, sorry, not yet, so uh, you know,
Speaker 2: from a phone, we can do voice to text and
Speaker 2: text a voice right, so in time, that's that's gonna
Speaker 2: be something that that that we're gonna We're gonna add.
Speaker 2: Another thing that we had talked about that I forgot
Speaker 2: to add to the slide at ATUH at mesh Con
Speaker 2: was having like a dummy version of the Meshtastic app.
Speaker 2: That was that was something that quite a few people
Speaker 2: had asked for. And you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: cool configuration settings in the in the Mestastic app, but
Speaker 2: the average person doesn't need them. They don't need it.
Speaker 1: So so you talk about like a light version or something. Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: We're gonna, Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about something like that a little bit more. And then
Speaker 2: again other protocols. There's this protocol out there called Reticulum
Speaker 2: and runs on the same same devices, same radios, same
Speaker 2: chip sets, as as Meshtastic and UH and again hopefully
Speaker 2: we can we can start to bridge some of these
Speaker 2: things together, bridge some of these communities together, and you know,
Speaker 2: just have the most useful and most effective mesh out there.
Speaker 2: So devices, you know, adding adding other things like more
Speaker 2: sensor capability. Most of your mestastic devices do currently have
Speaker 2: telemetry capability, so that's your GPS data location, but that
Speaker 2: also includes environmental data temperature, pressure, humidity, and there are
Speaker 2: a few little things included in meshtastic to do kind
Speaker 2: of motion detection and uh in vibration detection. So these
Speaker 2: are all things that we want to create specific nodes
Speaker 2: too to add add that functionality, while also adding like
Speaker 2: automated alerts so that that node, if it sees a
Speaker 2: change in temperature, if it sees motion, it will automatically
Speaker 2: send back a message. And then MESH controlled nodes, so
Speaker 2: using a mestastic device as as an on off switch
Speaker 2: you know, Tank just turned off his lights, you know,
Speaker 2: and and and maybe in the future Jason's going to
Speaker 2: be sitting there with his meshtastic radio flickering Tank's lights
Speaker 2: on and off and can go in full full party mode, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like a flipper zero exactly, Like a meshtastic flipper zero.
Speaker 1: That's good, like that.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yes, So we have we have a device called
Speaker 2: called the Relay that is your permanently mounted outside repeater.
Speaker 2: We want to add a add to our offering, a
Speaker 2: vehicle specific version as well as a version that bridges
Speaker 2: over over the Internet that you can connect either direct
Speaker 2: Wi Fi, direct to Ethernet and bridge greater distances than
Speaker 2: what the metschastic protocol can do. A couple of multi
Speaker 2: protocol devices. We've got the Nomad here in the picture.
Speaker 2: That is our raspberry Pie based handheld device which has
Speaker 2: the lower radio in it, and being Raspberry Pie based,
Speaker 2: you've got a slew of options for like software defined
Speaker 2: radios and a whole bunch of other stuff that I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about yet, as well as again supporting
Speaker 2: the the Reticulum ecosystem. So the Nomad is gonna gonna
Speaker 2: have both hardware editions and software editions in the in
Speaker 2: the future. Again, multi protocol, I think is really the
Speaker 2: future of a lot of this stuff. You know, why
Speaker 2: can't why can't a guy on a on a Ham
Speaker 2: radio take his voice message and repeat it onto messchastic?
Speaker 1: So I like I like that the fact that that
Speaker 1: says it's it's audio through f RS and data integrated
Speaker 1: handheld transceiver plus voice messchastic. So I think it's Garman.
Speaker 1: I think it's Garman. Who makes a device that is
Speaker 1: like a mapping device and GPS device that has a
Speaker 1: built in MERZ radio. I think it's Garman. And that's
Speaker 1: a that's an interesting topic. It's an interesting thing to
Speaker 1: see because you could totally do that with a with
Speaker 1: a Ham radio with a dual band or tryband Ham
Speaker 1: radio and have access to a lot more things than
Speaker 1: just a two wat FR S radio. So that would
Speaker 1: be something that you know, obviously it would it would
Speaker 1: be a niche device that you could only could only
Speaker 1: legally be used by Ham radio operators. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go down that rabbit hole today, okay, but
Speaker 1: it would be available to Ham radio. But you could
Speaker 1: have a gm R S version, you could have a
Speaker 1: Ham radio version. You could have an f r S
Speaker 1: version or a MERZ version something like that with that's
Speaker 1: that's a free band version, if you will. That's an
Speaker 1: interesting topic. I would love to see some future development
Speaker 1: on that. That's that's a great to that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's that that that one's coming soon, you know.
Speaker 2: Even just the simple FRS radio combining that with with
Speaker 2: with the man with with the meshtastic transceiver. That's something
Speaker 2: that that you can hand to anyone, right and and
Speaker 2: that's and that's where we want to start. We want
Speaker 2: to start with those devices that you can hand to
Speaker 2: anyone and they can use, and then and kind of
Speaker 2: use that as as a feeler to then go deeper
Speaker 2: into some of the crazy or cooler things like like
Speaker 2: like like you're talking about GM's and and hand.
Speaker 1: Bands, build hands I think it's all possible. Good you
Speaker 1: build one with a dual band hand radio transceiver. I
Speaker 1: might I might have to buy like a bulk of
Speaker 1: those from you and just sell them on my own
Speaker 1: website because I think that would be a thing. Man,
Speaker 1: I think that's awesome to integrate something like that. That's
Speaker 1: multi protocol. That's that's that's up my alley right there,
Speaker 1: So okay, go ahead, man, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right, collab collaboration, maybe we can.
Speaker 1: Put right, so totally yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 2: All right. You had mentioned earlier, I think before we
Speaker 2: started the live stream, our our new little device called
Speaker 2: the Specter. Simply put, it is a itty bitty baby
Speaker 2: Android phone with a case that has a Meshtastic radio
Speaker 2: built inside of it. So we lost one just at
Speaker 2: the beginning of this that this month. I think Jason
Speaker 2: might have bought like the third one that that we built.
Speaker 1: I've got it inside. Man, I'm meant to grab it
Speaker 1: before the stream and I forgot. But yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do a whole video about it, so y'all see that upcoming. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's a neat little device.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, uh, this one, it was again
Speaker 2: a jumping off point where it gets the Android phone
Speaker 2: and the and the meshtastic radio combined in a pocket
Speaker 2: sized device. It's it's a two and a half inch
Speaker 2: touch screen, so it's you can you can you can
Speaker 2: hide it in your you can put it in your pocket,
Speaker 2: and we preload it. We preload the phone with the
Speaker 2: Meshtasta apps. As well as the current Spec five kind
Speaker 2: of game apps. I saw that, so so yeah, so
Speaker 2: that's where that's kind of where we're starting with it.
Speaker 2: Where we're going to go. There are some larger, small
Speaker 2: and expensive Android phones three and four inch screens. We
Speaker 2: definitely want to have multiple mesh radio options. There's a
Speaker 2: couple of different vendors, a couple of different chips sets,
Speaker 2: the SP thirty two, the NRS fifty two. People have
Speaker 2: their preferences and as we as we kind of grow
Speaker 2: the Spec family, we're going to have multiple options. And
Speaker 2: one of the one of the big things that we're
Speaker 2: going to add is integrated GPS. You know, right now
Speaker 2: you're relying on the GPS of the phone, which if
Speaker 2: you're no SIM card, no Internet, well it's gonna work.
Speaker 2: I've got it. I've got another guy like digging in,
Speaker 2: like seeing how seeing what he can do to use
Speaker 2: the phone's GPS completely disconnected. I hope he figures it out.
Speaker 2: But we will be adding adding a model that has
Speaker 2: a GP that has the GPS connected to the to
Speaker 2: the Laura radio U for for for positioning, and you know,
Speaker 2: and then we'll go crazy from there. Again. The exciting
Speaker 2: thing about this about the specter is that as we
Speaker 2: continue to add apps, people can use them because they're
Speaker 2: going to have an Android device, They're going to have
Speaker 2: a met radio all the time. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I personally hate having like a million different apps on
Speaker 2: the phone that I use every day. So when when
Speaker 2: when factor came, it's just it really cleans up the
Speaker 2: usage of your comms here, like you can only have
Speaker 2: the apps that you need to communicate on a mesh
Speaker 2: and keep a simple stupid man, I'm all about that.
Speaker 2: So the kind of the The last thing we're dig
Speaker 2: into here is hypermage, which is gonna which is the
Speaker 2: protocol by US, by Spec five. So it will be
Speaker 2: sourced at least the initial version. Uh, we might, we're
Speaker 2: still in talks. We'll see how how excited people get
Speaker 2: about it. But it's going to be our proprietary protocol.
Speaker 2: We will probably have a separate version that is open
Speaker 2: for people to use for free, and we'll have a
Speaker 2: separate version for uh for more like commercial commercial customers
Speaker 2: to use, you know, with appropriate functionality for both. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be it's it's in house scratch developed US, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, full customizable, adaptable to multiple different radio boards,
Speaker 2: custom encryption capabilities, and like I've been talking about protocol bridging,
Speaker 2: so why just being limited to one protocol And then uh,
Speaker 2: you know, rich content pay payload delivery, so again utilizing
Speaker 2: the phone or the compute power in kind of the
Speaker 2: companion device to the lower radio to do different you know,
Speaker 2: hmail invectors and in vector files, vector images across the
Speaker 2: the mesh protocol. So the the way we're kind of
Speaker 2: laying it out right now, uh, that's going to be
Speaker 2: you're actually going to log into the device like you
Speaker 2: would something on an IP network, So you're you're you're
Speaker 2: gonna log into it with with an IP address, your
Speaker 2: email and password, And what you're doing is you're actually,
Speaker 2: instead of Bluetooth connecting to the device, you are connecting
Speaker 2: over Wi Fi that the device is creating, logging into it,
Speaker 2: and then controlling the radio from there. So you're you're
Speaker 2: actually like viewing a a a web page hosted on
Speaker 2: your tiny, little match tastic device, which kind of goggles
Speaker 2: my mind when you really think about it. Again, I'm
Speaker 2: not a software guy. Now, one of the cool things
Speaker 2: this is going to allow people to do. We haven't
Speaker 2: fully tested it yet and hopefully soon we're gonna be
Speaker 2: launching a i'll call it like a beta version, and
Speaker 2: and we'll want to put together like a beta test
Speaker 2: group of hyper Mesh.
Speaker 1: And to tell you who needs to be number one
Speaker 1: on that beta test group, Yeah, probably Robert, but I'll
Speaker 1: be number two. How's that.
Speaker 2: Three?
Speaker 1: I'd like to be on the beta test group totally.
Speaker 3: We can set up a little messed noe around here.
Speaker 1: Totally, and and when you guys get ready to deploy that,
Speaker 1: we bring you back onto it and do another live
Speaker 1: stream as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely anyway, So the interesting back to the Wi
Speaker 2: Fi connection. The interesting thing that that allows you to
Speaker 2: do is have more than one phone or computer connected
Speaker 2: to a singular radio. That's something currently can't do with Bluetooth.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of one of those like interesting interesting problems,
Speaker 2: interesting things that people have asked for, like why can't
Speaker 2: I have multiple phones connected to one Mesh task radio
Speaker 2: like because Bluetooth? Like I don't know the real answer,
Speaker 2: but that's the answer I give them, right.
Speaker 1: Right, It's a limitation to Bluetooth, that's true, yep.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that that we're really stressing
Speaker 2: on hyper Mesh is is the UI. There are so
Speaker 2: many great messaging applications out there. I'm a big fan
Speaker 2: of Signal and we want to give that give you
Speaker 2: that experience. So by hosting the the UI on on
Speaker 2: the mesh tast device, we can do a little bit
Speaker 2: more with it and and also allow the the user
Speaker 2: to then, uh have some custom themes, especially for like
Speaker 2: commercial applications. You know, we can have that that company's
Speaker 2: logo and you know, kind of necessary settings pre configured
Speaker 2: for them, but just making it more user friendly. And
Speaker 2: again having other custom quick buttons, uh prepackaged messages in
Speaker 2: the messaging app for you know, easy quick quick quick communication,
Speaker 2: sharing locations, sharing contacts, et cetera. So lots of customization
Speaker 2: and and again it's going to be really exciting to
Speaker 2: get this in the hands of users because y'all are
Speaker 2: going to give us like one hundred more things to
Speaker 2: think about. And and again that's to me, that's that
Speaker 2: that's that's the most exciting thing in my in my career.
Speaker 2: Having the time to like sit down with the people
Speaker 2: using the product. That's when I've always learned the most,
Speaker 2: you know, that's when I really got to understand how
Speaker 2: how the product that I was working on, that my
Speaker 2: team was working on is really going to be used.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to get hyper mash out in
Speaker 2: the world, even as a beta.
Speaker 1: And do you have an do you have a time
Speaker 1: frame on that? It's estimated, I mean, you know, probably
Speaker 1: not exact timeframe, but you know, what are you shooting for?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're in the order of weeks. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's where we're at. Weeks weeks away.
Speaker 1: Weeks away, so maybe by Thanksgiving, maybe by Christmas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely before the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's hyper mech. That's kind of all
Speaker 2: I got. I didn't want to take up too too
Speaker 2: much time. I wanted to leave a lot of opportunity
Speaker 2: for questions. But again, my name is Daniel Saska. Please
Speaker 2: reach out to us uh spec five dot com. We've
Speaker 2: got to contact us right there on on the on
Speaker 2: the website. That's my email. You can email me directly.
Speaker 2: Happy to talk to you about our devices, even setting
Speaker 2: up your own network. That's that. That's been a really
Speaker 2: really rewarding part of my job is to have these
Speaker 2: conversations with people who know nothing about it and figure
Speaker 2: out how to best give them the solution that they need.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've got to We've got a range
Speaker 2: of different devices and uh, you know, happy to to
Speaker 2: kind of help help you build a package to meet
Speaker 2: your needs. And uh and this goes out to you know,
Speaker 2: the singular user. This go is out to the ham
Speaker 2: radio clubs. I've talked to other you know, volunteer search
Speaker 2: and rescue organizations, even you know, municipalities and other government
Speaker 2: organizations have reached out to us. And I want to
Speaker 2: talk with all y'all, so please reach out. And uh
Speaker 2: and again thank you Jason for for for having me.
Speaker 1: Totally, yeah, totally. I know we've got some questions. I
Speaker 1: saw Frank responding to people in the chat. So Frank,
Speaker 1: if you want to ye start in, go ahead.
Speaker 3: But you're talking about the lights and when I moved
Speaker 3: my monitor up.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just your your laptop. Your laptop backing is reflective.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so move it down there we go, bright.
Speaker 1: And I did pin the link to the Spec five
Speaker 1: website to the top of the chat to guys, so
Speaker 1: if you guys can go click on that if you
Speaker 1: want to go ahead, go ahead. Frank.
Speaker 3: When you're talking about boys, this is a question from
Speaker 3: me said that will currently you do not support it?
Speaker 3: Is that a limitation via the FCC or is that
Speaker 3: a limitation in the bandwidth doing the voice?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So the Laura protocol is designed to be a
Speaker 2: small packet of data that you can send a very
Speaker 2: far distance. So it's like two fifty six bits, So
Speaker 2: sending a an audio file, it would be I mean
Speaker 2: probably a couple seconds long of an audio file that
Speaker 2: someone could actually here, right, they could actually understand your
Speaker 2: your words.
Speaker 1: We're the bitrates sign up to actually understand it, so
Speaker 1: correct correct?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The audio thing is is that's an interesting topic because
Speaker 1: in my mind, now you guys can tell me I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: and that's okay. In my mind, no one wants to
Speaker 1: talk on the freaking phone anymore. Everybody wants to send
Speaker 1: text messages exactly. I much much much. I'm fifty freaking
Speaker 1: years old. I would much prefer to send a text
Speaker 1: than talk on the phone. I spent fifteen years in
Speaker 1: a call in an IT call center. I hate talking
Speaker 1: on the phone. That's me. That's my perspective. Not everyone
Speaker 1: feels that way, and that's okay. But I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: and everybody's well, will it do voice? Well, no, but
Speaker 1: your freaking radio will do voice. Okay, But this is
Speaker 1: a text messaging service, and quite frankly, I think there's
Speaker 1: more people texting than Yeah, exactly, I think there's more
Speaker 1: people texting today than picking up the phone and calling
Speaker 1: people today. Now, in an emergency situation, that may not
Speaker 1: be true, but I'm just talking about a regular, normal day.
Speaker 1: So the voice thing would be cool. I would love
Speaker 1: to be able to send an audio file to Frank
Speaker 1: and him send one back to me. That'd be great,
Speaker 1: And I think that probably the technology and the protocol
Speaker 1: will probably expand to that someday, probably maybe even sending
Speaker 1: low res pictures. We were doing some SSTV at at
Speaker 1: Poto last weekend. That was fun, just sending very low
Speaker 1: res pictures over over ham radio. It's it's it's a
Speaker 1: fun thing to do. But think about it this way.
Speaker 1: It's a text messaging protocol, which on your smartphone. What
Speaker 1: do you do with your smartphone? You text, Sure, you
Speaker 1: look up web pages, and you play with apps and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But when you're communicating with someone, do you pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and call them or do you send them a.
Speaker 3: Text or can we go through discord which is all text.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: that's the thing. But anyway, I had to put my
Speaker 1: two cents in there. Go ahead, Frank.
Speaker 3: You were just mentioning. I sorry, words, you were just mentioning.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I get all jumbled.
Speaker 1: My Just go Frank, you're fine. Go ahead, You're fine.
Speaker 3: You we're talking about cities and other big organizations reaching
Speaker 3: out to you to use this. Could you incorporate these
Speaker 3: questions from Tom? I see s forum sent over mestastic.
Speaker 1: I do not know what that is, so and I
Speaker 1: and I see s forum is a incident command service
Speaker 1: or center or something like that. It's it's basically a
Speaker 1: disaster response training protocol that FEMA has, if I understand,
Speaker 1: if if he's using the correct.
Speaker 3: Terminology, yes, I see.
Speaker 1: It's basically forget what the forget what the protocol is.
Speaker 1: It's sending a form a a A a form that
Speaker 1: you can fill out with text with typing over like
Speaker 1: a pedia form sort of thing over over this thing that.
Speaker 2: I definitely think that's that's possible. You know, we probably
Speaker 2: need need a specific app on the phone.
Speaker 3: That's what I was just thinking about. Do it through
Speaker 3: the app, and then then the your protocol will send
Speaker 3: the data fields over the data network, and then the
Speaker 3: receiving app and the other end will populate the forms correctly,
Speaker 3: and then that goes into the I c S database
Speaker 3: and maybe print out two O five. I am so
Speaker 3: familiar with that form. Yep, yep. That was a good question,
Speaker 3: and it's kind of relevant at the time. Let's pull
Speaker 3: up what's I'm just going to go top to my
Speaker 3: list here, David how Well, how well does Spec five
Speaker 3: hyper mess scale in terms of nodes? Could it be
Speaker 3: effective in a large scale amateur radio network? And that
Speaker 3: that's kind of referring to. We took all these mess
Speaker 3: nodes to Dayton and we overloaded the mesh network because
Speaker 3: we had like two hundred plus nodes. Yeah, can you
Speaker 3: deal with They.
Speaker 1: Were m q t T as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: When you're running, when you when you've got m q
Speaker 2: t T on, that kind of busy's up the network,
Speaker 2: gets you a lot of cool data, but definitely definitely
Speaker 2: busy's up the network a little bit. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: gonna be. This is why we want to release a
Speaker 2: beta version of hyper Mesh so that we can start
Speaker 2: to play with it in these scenarios. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I personally have not you know, set up two hundred
Speaker 2: devices in my shop with with with with hyper mesh
Speaker 2: on them, nor nor can our our small team operate
Speaker 2: that many devices that wants to really to really know
Speaker 2: if if that's going to be a problem. But I'm
Speaker 2: glad people are asking about it because that's the stuff
Speaker 2: that that that that we want to test. And I
Speaker 2: think it's so interesting that it wasn't until mesh tasted
Speaker 2: grew to that that people even knew it was a problem.
Speaker 2: You know, like you don't know it's a problem until
Speaker 2: you get there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: So so we wanna we we want to get it
Speaker 2: in people's hands so that we can, you know, start
Speaker 2: to anticipate some of these things. A little bit is
Speaker 2: you're never going to anticipate everything.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mispronounce this name our amor amor a. Yeah,
Speaker 3: one of you guys.
Speaker 1: Uh, he's the he's the head guy. Okay, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna he suspect five.
Speaker 3: Okay, So mirror is in the chat here. He says
Speaker 3: that scaling is the goal of the idea behind adaptive
Speaker 3: transmit Power is to reduce the size of the ad
Speaker 3: hoc cells. And then he also says reducing the size
Speaker 3: of those cells is the key to allow a large
Speaker 3: number of nodes to exist. Other types of scaling is
Speaker 3: just the messaging relay performance, queuing and message processing at
Speaker 3: a node, all those things we're working on. Oh look
Speaker 3: at that I could read you can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So also he said something about low power that that
Speaker 1: also means that your battery is going to last longer.
Speaker 3: Well, so you reduce the power transmit in those large scales,
Speaker 3: and this is kind of what are reducing so that
Speaker 3: your your node is not hitting the mass number of nodes.
Speaker 3: So it's scaling down what you're transmitting. So you might
Speaker 3: only hit one or two nodes closer to you, but
Speaker 3: then that guy can also transmit out and now in
Speaker 3: the mess network. I really do like that idea. So
Speaker 3: so it's not trying to process messages that have already
Speaker 3: been processed that perfect. I love it. This one's from
Speaker 3: Don Does Spec five support four thirty three megahert devices
Speaker 3: for radio? That must be a mistype, radio, SAIDA so
Speaker 3: do and tiny ground stations.
Speaker 2: At the moment, we are only on where we're only
Speaker 2: purchasing and supplying nine to fifteen nine to fifteen radios.
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of a lot of the fantastic stuff
Speaker 2: you can get, the four thirty three versions, the eight
Speaker 2: six eight versions, and uh, you know, kind of the
Speaker 2: sky's the limit. So if we see that there is uh,
Speaker 2: there was a reason for us to maybe have a
Speaker 2: four thirty three and a nine to fifteen right next
Speaker 2: to each other to again do this do these kind
Speaker 2: of multi protocol things. We will absolutely do that. So yeah, again,
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm very much novice when it comes to
Speaker 2: a lot of these protocols. So every time someone says something,
Speaker 2: I'm over on Google, what is that? And it's so
Speaker 2: it's just blowing my mind all the different options, so
Speaker 2: wait to kind of start smashing them all together.
Speaker 1: So those are different, those are different frequencies. So nine
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen megaherts has compared to four to thirty
Speaker 1: three mech herds, which four thirty three is in the
Speaker 1: Ham radio band. It's it's our seventy centimeters Ham radio band.
Speaker 1: So in other words, Spec five makes a lot of
Speaker 1: cases for Lilygo radios, hell Tech radios and these kind
Speaker 1: of things which you can get in those in those bands,
Speaker 1: in those four to thirty three mega herds, the stuff
Speaker 1: that you guys, the stuff that you guys sell with
Speaker 1: the built in mesh Tastic device. The Laura device is
Speaker 1: all nine hundred and fifty megaherts. But but you can
Speaker 1: get like a like one of those what is it
Speaker 1: called the Trekker case. That's my favorite one, the Trekker
Speaker 1: case for for a lit lygo T beam that's nine
Speaker 1: that's four thirty three megaherts. You can to do that
Speaker 1: with a protocol we use inside of ham Radio called Arden,
Speaker 1: which is amateur Radio Emergency Data Network. You can via
Speaker 1: Ethernet cable you can connect a nine hundred megahertz radio
Speaker 1: to a two point four gigahertz radio and point them
Speaker 1: in opposite directions and have them talk to one another
Speaker 1: via the hardline, and then they're on two bands at
Speaker 1: one time. So it would be nice to see something
Speaker 1: like that with Meshtastic, where you could take a four
Speaker 1: thirty three and a nine point fifteen and maybe even
Speaker 1: another band if there is such a thing, and somehow
Speaker 1: interface them together to where it's almost like a dual band.
Speaker 1: Meshtastic note at that point in time, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's such. I don't know if such a thing
Speaker 1: like that exists today. I've never seen it from meshtastic,
Speaker 1: but it would be a really cool thing to do.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Yeah, awesome. This next question is from Corey. How
Speaker 3: far will it transmit? Can we add gain antennas?
Speaker 2: So yeah, mess the the messitastic devices. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: line of sight is critical, so yeah, changing changing the
Speaker 2: antennas is going to be really important depending on how
Speaker 2: far you're trying to go. But the thing you have
Speaker 2: to remember is that your message can hop across other devices.
Speaker 2: So you either play going long range two different ways.
Speaker 2: You either maximize your transmit power and the gain of
Speaker 2: your antenna to go as long as possible, to go
Speaker 2: as far as possible in between nodes, or you just
Speaker 2: put more nodes in your mesh so that your your
Speaker 2: message is hopping across multiple devices. Now. I get that
Speaker 2: a lot of people like they don't want to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, randomly put up nodes in public places and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Totally get that. But that's that's that's
Speaker 2: something that that I always try to remind people. It's
Speaker 2: like the way mestastic works, you do not need the
Speaker 2: perfect antenna now, having the perfect antenna will help you.
Speaker 2: But because your message can hop across other nodes, uh,
Speaker 2: you could cheat and just add another node in between.
Speaker 3: So have you done like best case scenario testing? You know,
Speaker 3: you take take your node out to a giant field
Speaker 3: and and you have one note to like get the
Speaker 3: cars and just keep walking and see how far you
Speaker 3: can get before your node link drops a point.
Speaker 2: So we've done some of that that stuff. Crazy enough,
Speaker 2: our customers have beat everything that that that we've done.
Speaker 2: I had it was it was posted on on a
Speaker 2: Facebook group. It was one of our s five beacons
Speaker 2: and he got a message like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: miles away and he just had the beacon sitting on
Speaker 2: his window still in the second story of his house
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty miles away. We had another guy
Speaker 2: with They had two trekkers and one was flying around,
Speaker 2: lying around in a sessa at like fifteen hundred feet
Speaker 2: two thousand feet and then there's a guy down on
Speaker 2: a boat and they were like twenty five miles away.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, line of sight, but like yeah and helds
Speaker 2: you know nothing, you know, no no crazy antennas, other
Speaker 2: other stuff around. Yeah, and you're still going that distance.
Speaker 1: We have a sing in him radio called height is mic.
Speaker 1: So if you have an antenna that's this big, this
Speaker 1: big right here, and you put it up at five
Speaker 1: hundred feet or one thousand feet, you're going to reach
Speaker 1: out for a very long way. It's not gonna matter.
Speaker 1: So but if you're on the ground, you need a
Speaker 1: larger antenna at you know, that's higher up. So yeah,
Speaker 1: heights might especially for VHF or UHF, which nine hundred
Speaker 1: megahertz is considered in the U CHEF band, which is
Speaker 1: three hundred and three thousand megahurts. So the nine hundred
Speaker 1: megahertz is UHF. It is a it is a height
Speaker 1: as my scenario for for sure. Go ahead, Frank yep.
Speaker 3: Next question is from ham techconics or nonics. That's Bill hamnotics.
Speaker 3: I said that wrong, omnic.
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
Speaker 3: Uh V sr V E five sar.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Jody. Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear about the hyper massed software.
Speaker 3: This was earlier. Will it require registrations of an email
Speaker 3: or anything to confirm the configuration.
Speaker 2: So at the moment, no, it'll just be kind of
Speaker 2: your uh your your log in into the device so
Speaker 2: that someone else can't can't pick it up and log
Speaker 2: into it. I don't think we're going to have, at
Speaker 2: least for the for kind of like the open protocol,
Speaker 2: the the consumer version of the of the protocol, like
Speaker 2: there will not be maybe unless you want to share
Speaker 2: with us, but there will not be like a log
Speaker 2: of everyone who's who's got a note out there on
Speaker 2: the on the internet kind of thing. But you know,
Speaker 2: for for like a commercial application, it makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense to you know, have a designated users for
Speaker 2: for for devices, but for the kind of consumer level,
Speaker 2: the log in will just be whatever you created.
Speaker 3: Cool. Cool. And I meant to ask this earlier, but
Speaker 3: we were talking about long hops and you're trying to
Speaker 3: mess the world. How do you plan on tackling the oceans,
Speaker 3: getting across the ocean?
Speaker 2: Satellites?
Speaker 1: Satellites? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Another another interesting thing would be, you know, if if
Speaker 2: we can get commercial entities using this protocol and they've
Speaker 2: got a node on a freighter, like why can't a
Speaker 2: public message hop across you know, all the all the
Speaker 2: all the freighters that are crossing the Atlantic Ocean. You know,
Speaker 2: so again, like if we're gonna be putting devices even
Speaker 2: in a in a commercial instance, it would be great
Speaker 2: to also let that device carry a message from a
Speaker 2: non commercial device. You know. That's kind of the dream
Speaker 2: because everyone's.
Speaker 3: You kind of mentioned before your software you're playing to
Speaker 3: release open source from uh cole.
Speaker 2: Out the gate. No, we're going to keep it. We're
Speaker 2: going to keep it closed sourced, and we might have
Speaker 2: a version of it that is open sourced.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 3: I like that. This is from don or smoke signals.
Speaker 3: Are f any options today or in the future for
Speaker 3: tracking vehicles or groups of people for public safety usage?
Speaker 2: Yes, so yeah, we're gonna be the vehicle version of
Speaker 2: the of the relay will have GPS location will be
Speaker 2: we will have both like USB B power and solar
Speaker 2: power options on that device, so you will be able
Speaker 2: to track its GPS location. Yeah, and we we talked
Speaker 2: about this at mesh Con, you know, for scenarios of
Speaker 2: like five k's, ten k's and marathons and stuff, having
Speaker 2: an armstrong app with with a note in it that
Speaker 2: is just pinging out its GPS location. It would be
Speaker 2: a really really functional use for this stuff. And uh
Speaker 2: so that's on our list of things to do. Uh
Speaker 2: I also want to make a trip up up to
Speaker 2: Robert's house and put a Meshtastic note on every single
Speaker 2: one of his goats so that he can track them
Speaker 2: around his his his ranch. That's also on my list
Speaker 2: of things to do.
Speaker 1: He wants to he wants to attach it to his goats,
Speaker 1: which which is a really fun thing, I think because
Speaker 1: I would like to see that. I'd like to do
Speaker 1: that with my at my hunt. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you do that exactly, but with your hunting leaves. I
Speaker 1: would like to attach it to some deer. You'd have
Speaker 1: to tranquilise a deer to do that, but I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't It'll still be a fun thing to see.
Speaker 1: To see at work in that in that capacity would
Speaker 1: be fun. I know that. Okay, all right?
Speaker 3: From Jesus Freak does mess tactic fantastic crossband.
Speaker 2: At the moment, No, at the moment no, And again
Speaker 2: that's that's what we want to strive for, is to
Speaker 2: open it up and cross multiple bands, even if that
Speaker 2: means you know, third party apps to do that.
Speaker 3: This this one's from David. I will Spec five well
Speaker 3: Spect five tracker hyper mess Oh let me try this again,
Speaker 3: well Spec five hyper Mesh have a atach feature. Attack
Speaker 3: is a cool piece of software for public safety and
Speaker 3: private enterprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Attack is really cool. I know about this much
Speaker 2: about Attack. It is Uh, it is an impressive piece
Speaker 2: of software.
Speaker 3: It is also pretty.
Speaker 1: So Daniel, you had a guy. There was a guy
Speaker 1: in mesh con that I was talking to outside and
Speaker 1: I don't remember how we broached the subject, but he
Speaker 1: was he was talking about Attack, and I'm like, so,
Speaker 1: I want to interview somebody about attack and take us through,
Speaker 1: you know, how to how to work it, you know,
Speaker 1: just like like basic starting point up to an expert,
Speaker 1: you know. And he's like, oh, I can do that
Speaker 1: for you. And he told me, he's like, Daniel has
Speaker 1: my contact info. I don't remember the dude's name. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I need to get Yeah, because he said
Speaker 1: he said, I'll get with Daniel and have him have
Speaker 1: Daniel send you my info. I'm like, cool, And he
Speaker 1: told me his name. I just don't remember. I'm not
Speaker 1: very good with that. And but uh, but I never
Speaker 1: you know, I never heard from you, which probably means
Speaker 1: he never he never contacted you and told but I've
Speaker 1: been meaning to email you about that. I'm like, I'd
Speaker 1: really like to get that onto the channel and talk
Speaker 1: about Attack because it's a very Android tactical comms. It's
Speaker 1: an app on your Android phone. Sorry, iPhone guys.
Speaker 2: But there there is there is there is.
Speaker 1: An iPhone okay, good, good, good.
Speaker 2: There is I Tack and it's it's all the same.
Speaker 1: It's all the same, goody good good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they talk across it should be.
Speaker 1: It should be. I like to tease iPhone guys, but
Speaker 1: there really should be. There should be. It should be
Speaker 1: cross platform. So yeah, but if you if you know
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about, after this is done tonight or
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, sometimes send me an email let me know
Speaker 1: that guy's info. I'd like to contact him.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, So back to that question, Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: So the way the way Attack and Mestastic work together
Speaker 2: is a is a forwarding application. So on your Android
Speaker 2: phone you download the Attack app. It is ginormous, and
Speaker 2: then and then there are all these plugins that you
Speaker 2: can add to Attack, and one of those plugs is
Speaker 2: a piece of software that makes the Mestastic app transmit
Speaker 2: data over to the attac app and vice versa. So
Speaker 2: that's all that stuff's all all all open source by
Speaker 2: the grace of the open source gods. So if they've
Speaker 2: done it for Mestastic, we can replicate that for HyperMesh.
Speaker 1: Love it, Love it good.
Speaker 3: Don has a question here these outdoor devices, are they
Speaker 3: waterproof or dual dustproof? That's dustproof and have a i
Speaker 3: P ratings.
Speaker 2: Our devices are not waterproof yet. They are not i
Speaker 2: P rated yet. That's on our list of things to do,
Speaker 2: on our list things to do. So one of the
Speaker 2: one of the one of the interesting things that that
Speaker 2: we're doing that's I think it's a lot different and
Speaker 2: it's just kind of like a a vision and a
Speaker 2: kind of like a passion project for my boss. A
Speaker 2: mirror is how do we keep manufacturing stateside? And you know,
Speaker 2: the perfect scenario for us to make the perfect case
Speaker 2: that was IP rated and all that is to go
Speaker 2: injection molding, which we would have to outsource. So our devices.
Speaker 2: We are doing all the three D printing and assembly
Speaker 2: in house right here in Texas, and our goal is
Speaker 2: to continue that as long as we can. There are
Speaker 2: ways to make three D printed enclosures, three D printed
Speaker 2: cases on a different materials to make them waterproof, to
Speaker 2: give them an ip rating, that is in our pipeline
Speaker 2: to do. There are also some other sneaky ways to
Speaker 2: mold plastics that don't require a big giant injection molded
Speaker 2: big big giant injection molding machine. Don't require us to
Speaker 2: you know, buy quantities of parts in the thousands and
Speaker 2: the ten thousands. You know, we some of these products
Speaker 2: we've sold one hundred of. And you know we no
Speaker 2: one can afford as a young company to go out
Speaker 2: and buy ten thousand parts for something you've only you've
Speaker 2: only sold sold one hundred of. So it's been a
Speaker 2: really interesting thing to see how, you know, manufacturing at scale,
Speaker 2: manufacturing at a small scale really really happens. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's uh, you know, I want to be truthful that.
Speaker 3: It's in the cards for later. That's that's but except so.
Speaker 1: This is the one hold on, Frank, This is the
Speaker 1: one right here that I'm showing on the screen right now.
Speaker 1: This is called this the Beacon Spec five beacon. And
Speaker 1: Robert turned me onto this device and it it it's
Speaker 1: kind of like they don't have a good picture of
Speaker 1: it here. In my opinion, that's sideways. So if you say,
Speaker 1: if you turn it ninety degrees to the right from
Speaker 1: where you see it right now, and then the antenna
Speaker 1: will fold up so it's vertical. This is a little
Speaker 1: solar panel on the side here, and this is pet
Speaker 1: G printed material. I have this sitting in the dash
Speaker 1: of my pickup truck in Texas. Now granted it's not
Speaker 1: August anymore, but it's the solar panel keeps the device
Speaker 1: charged and then I can plug an external intent. I
Speaker 1: have an external magmunt intended for nine hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: Mega Mega HiT's on top of my truck. But it's
Speaker 1: not waterproof and it's not dustproof, but it is absolutely
Speaker 1: Texas sun proof, and I think it's pretty darn cool myself.
Speaker 1: So and again Robert did this. He had one of
Speaker 1: these for a while and he was like, man, I
Speaker 1: s had that in my dash for like two or
Speaker 1: three months. Never had a problem with it, never had
Speaker 1: any wharping, melting, nothing like that at all. So this
Speaker 1: is what I'm currently running in my truck for my
Speaker 1: mobile meshitastic device with an external antenna that just it
Speaker 1: just runs because it's got the sun during the day
Speaker 1: and then the battery will last for a couple of days.
Speaker 1: I think even if you don't have sun. So but
Speaker 1: that's that's why I'm running right now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the beacon runs the runs the rack wireless
Speaker 2: wise block right hardware. So that's the you know, the
Speaker 2: super super efficient and around fifty two we've done over
Speaker 2: like ten days on battery alone on a beacon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know, the solar panel isn't big enough to
Speaker 2: like charge your battery. It's really there to reduce the
Speaker 2: draw on the battery, right. But yeah, if you're getting
Speaker 2: good sun on a windshield, you know there's a pretty
Speaker 2: good chance that the board isn't even drawing off the battery.
Speaker 1: Right, Right. It's a good device.
Speaker 2: I really like that and I and I do have
Speaker 2: plans to do like a remix of the beacon to
Speaker 2: make it perfect for the dashboard. So yeah, I've had
Speaker 2: multiple people be like, we whant I put it on
Speaker 2: my dashboard? But the thing slides around and stuff, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, you know, we're gonna make one
Speaker 2: that's that's meant to be mounted to the dashboard.
Speaker 1: Well, my dashboard is slight slightly downward towards my windshield.
Speaker 1: Mine doesn't move. I mean every car is different. You
Speaker 1: got dashboards that are curved and slick and what blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But yeah, mine on my truck and my
Speaker 1: dashboard is slightly downward facing towards the front windshield. It
Speaker 1: does not move at all. I've had it there since Meshcan.
Speaker 1: I got in at mesh Con, which was three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I've had it sitting in my dash since mesh Con.
Speaker 1: No problems at all.
Speaker 2: Yep, excellent, glad to hear that.
Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome if Spec five. This is from David planning
Speaker 3: to go to ham Kashin or any other amateur radio conventions.
Speaker 1: Oh so yeah, Daniel had emailed me the other day asking, Hey,
Speaker 1: what hamfests are in Texas? So tell me what you
Speaker 1: guys are thinking about that I'd like to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, you know, this year has been a wild
Speaker 2: ride getting into this space, getting connected with the people,
Speaker 2: and I love that it's so community oriented. I love that.
Speaker 2: I think that is amazing. So unfortunately, you know, developing,
Speaker 2: developing a product, and building a business did not leave
Speaker 2: us the time to to travel to these places. You know,
Speaker 2: I try to, I try to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of a life outside of work. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty five, I think we definitely want to
Speaker 2: at least get out to some of these local local
Speaker 2: Texas ham conventions. You know, maybe I can, maybe I
Speaker 2: can tag along on a on a road trip with
Speaker 2: with with you or Robert up to up to Ohio
Speaker 2: for big Ham Bench and.
Speaker 1: You know we'll see yeah man, yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well there's so I So the ones I told Daniel
Speaker 1: about was Cowtown in January, Houston in March, and Belton
Speaker 1: in April. And those are all small region. I mean,
Speaker 1: Houston's a decent size show. Hro goes to Houston, but
Speaker 1: the biggest three shows of the year, the second largest
Speaker 1: show of the entire year is in Orlando in February.
Speaker 1: And that's what people are talking about ham cash in
Speaker 1: the chat right now. Orlando's a very fun show. We
Speaker 1: go up there and we usually get a hotel room
Speaker 1: for Orlando, but this year I'm planning on camping. More
Speaker 1: to come on that later, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Dayton convinced my wife to go to Orlando.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not that far from Disney World, so she
Speaker 1: could go hang at Disney World for the for the weekend.
Speaker 1: It'd be totally cool. But but yeah, so and then
Speaker 1: Dayton Hamvention is in May and Huntsville is in August.
Speaker 1: And we drive to Dayton in May, and we drive
Speaker 1: to Huntsville in August from Texas and yeah, man, you
Speaker 1: want to tag along car carpool or or grab the
Speaker 1: passenger seat or something. Yeah, we can make that happen.
Speaker 1: That'd be fun. We'll do it. We'll figure something out.
Speaker 2: Excellent. Yeah. Yeah, So it's again, it's it's on our
Speaker 2: list of things to do. We've we've kind of dipped
Speaker 2: our toe into the water of the community and we
Speaker 2: want to keep keep getting deeper because, you know, the
Speaker 2: the more that we've kind of like met people face
Speaker 2: to face, it has really really allowed us to better
Speaker 2: understand what what really the needs are, what what the
Speaker 2: people want, you know, and that's what we want to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, the HAM radio community is primed for this protocol,
Speaker 1: for this device, these devices, this this this type of thing.
Speaker 1: And you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but
Speaker 1: I'm not seen any Messtastic vendors at any of these
Speaker 1: HAM radio shows yet. So we would love to get
Speaker 1: you guys there as the first ones.
Speaker 3: Daniel, are you a licensed? Are you a Ham?
Speaker 2: Not yet?
Speaker 3: Okay, you're going to get I got one of these,
Speaker 3: and he'd be like, yes.
Speaker 1: I asked that question. I asked that question at mesh
Speaker 1: Con and he's like, not yet. And then he starts
Speaker 1: talking about drone licensing. He's like, it's easier to get
Speaker 1: the Part one O seven drone license in his hand radio.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, there's no real maps you even.
Speaker 2: Know how to.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's not. If you got the drone license,
Speaker 1: you should get a hand license. Man, it's much much similar.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody learned, everybody learns differently, so maybe it
Speaker 1: is for you, but no, it shouldn't be. No.
Speaker 2: No, well I'm going to have to do it just
Speaker 2: so I can come back on the live stream and
Speaker 2: tell people what.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 3: Cool Dusty is. Asking does Spec five ship internationally?
Speaker 2: We are starting to get there again. Right now, we're
Speaker 2: only supplying nine to fifteen megahertz boards, so we're not
Speaker 2: going to be We're not sourcing the four thirty three
Speaker 2: over the eight six ' eight boards, so we're not
Speaker 2: going to ship you if if that's the if that's
Speaker 2: the frequency you need, we're not we're not going to
Speaker 2: ship you. We're not going to ship you there are
Speaker 2: We're not going to be able to supply that device
Speaker 2: to you. Rather. There are a few other countries that
Speaker 2: run nine fifteen, and I think we have. If we haven't,
Speaker 2: we're working on figuring out how to do that international shipping.
Speaker 2: So if your country takes take operates on nine fifteen,
Speaker 2: send us an email and uh and when we have
Speaker 2: that available, we'll be a fulfill your order.
Speaker 3: Love it, love it? Daniel is asking our Douglas. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: Douglas is asking whis one is which mess tasted?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Can you mount to a mast or tree?
Speaker 2: All right? So the the relay is going to be
Speaker 2: your actually waterproof, permanently mounted solution. That's what the relay
Speaker 2: is for, big old solar panel. On a cloudy day
Speaker 2: in Texas, that solar panel is still charging the battery beautiful.
Speaker 2: So I hope I've I've had one out out in
Speaker 2: the field by our shop since early February and I've
Speaker 2: only touched it once to upgrade the firmware. And I'm
Speaker 2: really hoping that the customers that I bought that have
Speaker 2: that same experience with it. So yeah, that's uh, that's
Speaker 2: gonna be the one permanently mounted outdoor all the time.
Speaker 2: All of our other devices. You know, you could absolutely
Speaker 2: temporarily put up. But again they're not waterproof, so you know,
Speaker 2: maybe a ziploc bag. Sorry, but you know, the relay
Speaker 2: is the one that's that's meant for that.
Speaker 1: I need to get one of these to put up
Speaker 1: at the house here. Well, I actually needed about three
Speaker 1: of them. I want to put one up at the house.
Speaker 1: My church is about a half a mile that way,
Speaker 1: and I have I have a I have keys to
Speaker 1: my church. Don't ask me why they gave me keys,
Speaker 1: but they did, and I do security at the church.
Speaker 3: Terrible, terrible, terrible idea.
Speaker 1: But the roof of the church is probably pretty good.
Speaker 1: You get forty yeah, forty or forty five feet in
Speaker 1: the air. My church is the roof in there, so
Speaker 1: I could go put one up there. And I want
Speaker 1: to put one at the hunting Lease Frank yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you know what make that for a put one
Speaker 1: in Galveston as well. So I need to get a
Speaker 1: few of these things. These things are cool. I saw these.
Speaker 1: You guys have these on display at mesh Con and
Speaker 1: someone bought your display and I'm like, okay, good he
Speaker 1: bought it. That means I don't have to buy it.
Speaker 1: But I need I do need to get I need
Speaker 1: do need to get two or three of these things
Speaker 1: and put them up and do videos about them because
Speaker 1: these are these are very fun these are very fun
Speaker 1: looking devices because they will do. You've got to diepole
Speaker 1: intenta up there at the top. You've got that decent
Speaker 1: sized solar panel right there. That's not going to be like,
Speaker 1: you know, three watt, not a three watt solar panel
Speaker 1: like some of these other devices have.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a twelve.
Speaker 1: It's a twelve watch. Okay, twelve. It looks it.
Speaker 2: Looks even it's meant to charge like two security cameras
Speaker 2: at once.
Speaker 1: Okay. So I mean these devices don't use a lot
Speaker 1: of power. So yeah, it's no.
Speaker 2: It has more than enough power. That's that's why I say,
Speaker 2: like I've got the little you know, USB like current
Speaker 2: current gauge that I can put in line and again
Speaker 2: cloudy day, that's the vaultage regular or on that solar
Speaker 2: panel still outputting it clean five cloudy day. I am
Speaker 2: when if someone tells me that like their relay died,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna want that one back to figure out what broke,
Speaker 2: because I'm going to be confused. You know, we've had
Speaker 2: you know, we've we've we've had a couple of quality
Speaker 2: issues here and there, but we've we've we've we've made
Speaker 2: it right with those customers and got their got their
Speaker 2: units swapped out, and unfortunately it turned out to be
Speaker 2: you know, sourcing vendor vendor vendor related quality issues. But
Speaker 2: the ones that have been running have been running strong.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hate you up an email
Speaker 1: tomorrow and say, hey, make me a deal on four
Speaker 1: of these because I want to get four of them. Seriously,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not joking. I'm actually gonna send you
Speaker 1: an EMO.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Frank, I I am out of questions. I
Speaker 3: have a couple of comments I copied down for super
Speaker 3: chats and we got armis grinnings from the rebels who
Speaker 3: use the technology to advance the cause of freedom. I'm
Speaker 3: down with the centralization.
Speaker 1: Ah right right, yeah, decentralized network absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and John, just put one up. I want to
Speaker 3: see this mess Texas series.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've got a couple of meshtastic videos on
Speaker 1: the channel already, but putting this type of stuff up
Speaker 1: at the Hunting Lease which is one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five acres of boondocking basically because there's no water, solar, well,
Speaker 1: there's some solar, but there's no grid power or anything
Speaker 1: like that out there. And then putting one up, putting
Speaker 1: one up into my Galveston house since I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's anyone in Galveston using meshtastic or not, but
Speaker 1: give it a shot fund out so ye'll find out. Yeah, totally. So.
Speaker 3: I have a couple of comments here. I liked, Frank's
Speaker 3: torch is lit? Or Frank has his torches lit? Still?
Speaker 3: Has he been voted off the island yet?
Speaker 1: That's good?
Speaker 3: And another one from Douglas here questions for Frank, are
Speaker 3: you trying to keep the bugs away?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I thought this is a beautiful ambience.
Speaker 1: It's just it looks good. Your camera is a little
Speaker 1: bit lopsided, so it looks like you're sitting.
Speaker 3: Well, it was level, but when I let go of
Speaker 3: the camera it turned just enough and I couldn't get
Speaker 3: it quite level. So yeah, sometimes it is what it is,
Speaker 3: especially what I was having camera issues before. Leveling was
Speaker 3: the last thing I was trying to get done.
Speaker 1: It looks it looks good. I like yes, very rustic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally love it, love it. Thank you for the super chat, John, okay,
Speaker 1: uh hey man, we've been going for about an hour
Speaker 1: and twenty minutes, which this has been an awesome talk. Daniel,
Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining us tonight. Very cool stuff.
Speaker 1: I would love to do a follow up video with
Speaker 1: you in three to six months, see where you guys
Speaker 1: are well. Actually, if you're talking weeks for hyper Mesh,
Speaker 1: then yeah, let's plan on something around the first part
Speaker 1: of December, first first part to middle of December. Whenever
Speaker 1: you guys are ready, let's plan on that again. And
Speaker 1: then and then something in Q one of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five as well. We'll get together and do something there
Speaker 1: as well. Because this is this is interesting stuff. I
Speaker 1: think it's a very what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very viable protocol. Considering the hurricane
Speaker 1: stuff that's happened on the East Coast in the last
Speaker 1: couple of months, Hurricane Helene, Hurricane Milton.
Speaker 2: We have been delivering a lot of devices to North Carolina, Tennessee,
Speaker 2: and Okada, and we've been since end of September. We've
Speaker 2: been really trying to prioritize those those customers because we
Speaker 2: know they need them the most.
Speaker 1: Good good. Yeah, I was wondering. I mentioned on one
Speaker 1: of my videos where Hams were helping with the cleanup effort.
Speaker 1: In fact, I had those guys on the channel two
Speaker 1: weeks ago, some of them, and I was like, is
Speaker 1: anyone using mesh tastic out here? And a couple of
Speaker 1: them were a couple of them. We're using some meshtastic
Speaker 1: to send messages back and forth. And because there's been
Speaker 1: some This was two weeks ago, but at the time
Speaker 1: there has been some areas of eastern Tennessee and North
Speaker 1: Carolina have been without power. And of course if you
Speaker 1: were without power, you were without so phone for like
Speaker 1: almost two weeks. So you know, it's it's solar power
Speaker 1: and battery power and backup power and low power Laura devices,
Speaker 1: uh type stuff that's people are using to communicate. So
Speaker 1: good good. I'm glad to hear that. I would like
Speaker 1: to I would like to follow up more on that
Speaker 1: later as well. So good. All right, Well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: turn this h We're gonna shut this down. Thank you
Speaker 1: everyone for joining tonight again. The link to the Spec
Speaker 1: five website is at the top of the chat. I
Speaker 1: pin it up there at the beginning of the live stream.
Speaker 1: I also put it in the description of the video
Speaker 1: for those of you watching on Team Replay, go check
Speaker 1: that out. I've got three of their devices, I think now.
Speaker 1: I've got the Specter, the Beacon, and I've got a
Speaker 1: couple well, I've got two or three of the Trekker cases,
Speaker 1: which are very very well built. I meant to bring
Speaker 1: my Spectra out here and I forgot to grab it
Speaker 1: off the It's it's in there charging right now. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a dedicated video about
Speaker 1: the Specter here in uh probably this week sometime, so
Speaker 1: you guys will see it on the channel upcoming. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, go go out there check out their devices.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep in contact with Daniel and Amir. Amir,
Speaker 1: thank you for joining the chat. I appreciate your all
Speaker 1: your knowledge shared in the chat tonight, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: keep keeping talks with them over the next few months
Speaker 1: and see how this hyper messure thing develops and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So Daniel, thank you once again. I appreciate your time tonight.
Speaker 2: You are welcome. This has been a blast. I can't
Speaker 2: wait to do it again.
Speaker 1: Good, awesome seventy three guys. We will talk to you
Speaker 1: guys this week. Watch the channels for premieres, and we'll
Speaker 1: be back on livestream this time next night, Sunday seventy
Speaker 1: three to all y'all, have a good evening.
Speaker 2: Hi,