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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back to the Surely you can't

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be serious getting hold hold hold.

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Speaker 2: Why is bon Jovi's bed always messy? Why because he

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doesn't think it matters if you make it or not.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we can only go up from here. Yeah,

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we are back today to discuss bon Jovi's fourth studio album,

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New Jersey. I am so excited to talk about this album.

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Speaker 2: This is one that I had. I told you i'd

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Never Got Slippery when Wet loved the songs off of it,

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never bought the album, But when New Jersey came out,

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I was there picking up my copy, had my tape.

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I still have it today, same tape that I bought

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when I was twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, this is the honest truth. On

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September nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, the day that this album

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was released, Yeah, and I think they were always released

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on Tuesdays, if that's I remember correctly. I told my mom.

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I got up for school and I said, Mom, I

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can't go to school today. You have to take me

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to the record store so that I can buy bon

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Jovi's new album. Uh huh, you know what my mom said?

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She said what she said let's go. Oh, that's a

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good one. She took me and I was the first

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person that I knew that owned bon Jovies New Jersey album.

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That's pretty sweet. Yeah, it's a She and I went

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to lunch and then she took me to school after lunch. Huh,

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so I can show it and brag it nice. So anyway,

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we love this album. Oh thank you, mom. I'm still

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grateful for that. If you haven't had a chance to

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go back and listen to our Slippery win Wet episode

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that was last week. The week prior to that, we

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kind of did a bon Jovi introduction. We call it

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Prelude to Prayer. So this is the third part of

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a three part on bon Jovi. So, from the release

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of the Slippery Win Wet album in August of eighty six, Yes,

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bon joviy tours and tours and tours until October of

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eighty seven. Yes, they take about a month break and

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John and Richie start calling each other yep, and it

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goes from Hey, what are you up to today? To Hey,

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I've got this couple of chords I want you to hear,

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or I've got this hook or I've got this lyric

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And so it progressed into hey, I've got some stuff

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that we can start working on. Yeah, and it's seventeen

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songs that they end up with seventeen demos. Yeah, and

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they were anxious to get back at it. If you've

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ever done something great, yeah, you want to get out

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there and prove that you can do it again. And

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it wasn't a fluke, and so they were very anxious

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to get back in the studio and record more hits.

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Speaker 2: They didn't want the album to be a one hit wonder,

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and so they were out there doing everything they could

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to create another You Give Love a Bad Name, right,

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which is pretty tricky, and so they enlisted the help

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again of Desmond Child. Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: They tried so hard to recreate the next big You

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Give Love a Bad Name, that the first song they

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wrote is a song called Love is Warah, which you

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can hear. It's on the Special Condition New Jersey. They

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actually had to omit it because it's the same chord

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progression as You Give Love a Bad Name. Like, they

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wanted to make it so bad that they actually repeated

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it right. And it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I've heard Desmond Child talk and he says there's a

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real hook in the title is a key part of songwriting,

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and what he tries to do is do things that

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seem to have almost opposite meaning, you know, love and

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bad name that title alone.

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Speaker 1: Sure is dude looks like a lady. I hate myself

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for loving you.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so there are several songs. I mean, love is

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War is an obvious title there, but I mean Bad

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Medicine yep, obviously good in Ben Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's

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all that kind of idea of let's take two things

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that don't seem to go together because it captures people's attention.

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Speaker 1: All right. So when New Jersey out in September of

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nineteen eighty eight, the first week it goes to number eight,

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number one. People were ready for Bonjobi. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They had released Bad Medicine as a single about two

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weeks before the album came out. They did a good job,

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you know, talking about what do you follow slippery when

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wet with right right. They did a good job of

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doing it quickly too. Yes, you know my complaint with

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Bad versus Thriller is that it was five years later

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they went back into the studio with Bruce.

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Speaker 1: Fairbairn and back to Vancouver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back to Yeah, back to Canada, back to the

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same recording studio and looked to create the magic again.

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Speaker 1: They came up, like you said, seventeen original demos, and

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turns out they didn't really like any ambi. They were

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trying too hard. Yeah, but the second batch produced Born

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to Be My Baby and Bad Medicine. That is a start.

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That's a good start, right for sure. Okay, I don't

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know if you know this or not, but did you

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know New Jersey is the first American album officially released

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in the USSR. No, yeah, how about that? But yeah,

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So they had all these songs that they wanted to

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put out and kind of like Princess Simon the Times album,

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they had all these songs that they thought were good.

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I wanted to do a double album. Let's do a

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double album. And again the record company's like, no, no,

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it's too expensive. Kids won't buy it. Yeah, it's too much. Yeah,

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so they cut it down to a single album. I

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don't know if you know this. There's a couple of

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working titles for this album, right, Okay, one of them,

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I like, one of them is terrible. Yes, Son of

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a beach Sons.

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Speaker 2: Of Beaches, Sons.

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Speaker 1: Of Beaches, which comes from the song ninety nine in

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the Shade, Right, Okay, Sons of Beaches. It kind of

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has that naughty word play, that slippery w and what

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did Okay, But the other title was sixty eight and

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I'll Owe you one, Oh my that that it's like

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a title that Bill and Ted would name the first

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Wild Stallions. Gosh, that's awesome. But anyway, they settled on

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New Jersey. New Jersey, I guess is more of an

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attitude rather than a place. Not a lot of people

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brag about being from New Jersey. Right, all right, so

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we ready to get into the track listing. Yeah, let's go,

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all right. The first song on the album lay your

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Hands on It?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is they wrote this song in nineteen

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eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: We talked last year last season about two of the

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best albums from nineteen eighty seven, four of them actually,

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but one of them was George Michael's Faith. Right when

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the organ comes in on this, I could not help

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but think of Faith. Yeah, and then he's got preacher

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and teacher in there. Just I'm just like, I really

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feel like they might have been listened to some George

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Michael albums before the end. Why wouldn't you Why wouldn't

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you if you are, if you are a hard rock

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band looking for poppy kind of hooks, why wouldn't you

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go listen to the biggest selling album of nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think that they definitely copy this.

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it was maybe Ritchie Samborger's ex girlfriend or something like

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that that said that they would just sit on a

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stack of tapes, listen to the tapes, try to play it,

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and try to steal whatever they could from those tapes

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to put in their music.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The great thing to me about lay your hands

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on Me. I mean it's similar we talked about last week.

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Let It Rock to sort of get you ready for

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the concert and get you ready for the album and

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get you prepared for what's coming. And that slow drum beat,

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that doom doom, doom doom. But the song that most

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reminds me of is Let's Go Crazy about Prince. You

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have the organ, Yeah, and it's almost an invitation to church. Yes,

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it's like the Church of bon Jovi. Yeap you actually

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have female backing singers. Yep. Of course this song is phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and the layer hands on Me definitely has that

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religious like faith healing kind of emotion going on.

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Speaker 3: Hands on.

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Speaker 2: This was the third song of the eighties called lay

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your Hands on Me. So in nineteen eighty two Peter

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Gabriel had a song called lay your Hands on Me,

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and in nineteen eighty five The Thompson Twins has a

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song called your Hands on Me. They actually asked the

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Tom Bailey of the Thompson Twins about what he thought

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about bon Jovi's version. He's like, I don't think I've

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heard that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, give me a break. While they're working

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on New Jersey, a couple of buddies, including director Wayne Eisham,

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right we talked about him last week. Video, the guy

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who did all the videos encouraged Bonjovi to write this big,

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grandiose concert pleaser. Write something really big that we can

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put on a video. They'll be awesome. And with the

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encouragement of Wayne Eisham, they said, man, we got to

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write some freaking blow the doors off song. And lay

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your Hands on Me was their result on that. Have

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you heard the Dolly Parton version of lay Your Hands

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on Me.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I've heard it, but I don't

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think you can hear it enough.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen to it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think this song is really interesting. She

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of course, Dolly is Queen of country, and she loved

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the song and she actually thought to herself, she grew

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up in the Pentecostal Church and thought, this sounds like

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a church song.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. The Pentecostal Church does that faith healing stuff.

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Speaker 1: They do. And so she contacted Richie and John and said,

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can I change the lyrics just a little bit to

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be become a religious song? Uh? Huh? And they're like

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Dolly Parton, heck, yeah you can. Yeah. So that's why

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the lyrics are changing the song, but it's still lay

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your Hands on Me classic. Okay, I want to talk

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about the video for a second.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when you got a formula at work, why

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don't you stick with that? I mean, does bonje of

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you have any songs that doesn't have them doing some

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concert footage.

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Speaker 1: In the No? No, But I think they took it

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up a level for these videos. Yeah, okay. Yeah, So

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this song reached number seven in August of eighty nine.

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For me, this is the biggest of the biggest top down,

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turn it up summer songs. Okay, I mean just pulling

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up to a stoplight thumping lay your Hands on Me.

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The car next you is gonna be like, yeah, job right.

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But the video, so the video was shot in Tacoma,

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Washington and Portland, Oregon. Okay, you have the awesome entrance

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where they're underneath the stage when lay your Hands on

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Me hits, they like jet up through the floor and

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the pyrotechnics go crazy. Okay. Also in this video you

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see the big ramp where they can run and be

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like the people in the back can have front row

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seats because they're up and they're walking all over the

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place and from the I don't know what they call it.

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That that landing, that platform that they've got set up

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John is he's cut the band out and it's just

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the people singing the chorus of lay Your Hands on Me,

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and then it comes back in full colour. Video is great,

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love it. I want to make mention one other thing

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in this video. He's wearing this weird jacket right, and

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the only reason I know this is because he mentioned

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it in the concert that I saw Untilso I Go

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Home at nineteen eighty year. This jacket that he wore

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in this video. Kids had thrown a bunch of jackets

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and clothing and patches and stuff on stage over the years. Yeah,

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and he took those, all those patches and stuff and

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he put him on one big jacket, made his big patch. Check. Yep,

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that's awesome. I had no idea that that was from fans.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, lay your hands on Me, awesome kickoff song, perfect,

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top down, turn it up, love it, love it Okay.

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The next song on the album song number two, the

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opening single, Bad Medicine Okay. This song was released September

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the third, nineteen eighty eight. It hit number one in

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the US November nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, so on that

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day it edged out Wow Wild West by the Escape Club.

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Speaker 2: I Remember that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, spent twenty weeks on the chart and was featured

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in the two thousand and one film Jane Simon Bob

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Speaker 2: This one is such a phenomenal song, and it's one

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of those that is timeless. I mean, you hear this

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today and you're like, this is still fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It has lost nothing with age. It starts right

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off with a boom like that organ dun dund dun

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dun dunt.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the video on this one is very cool and

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a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what they did was they said we're gonna we're

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gonna try something new. They gave cameras out to their fans,

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like I think it was like two hundred and fifty

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different people got cameras and they said, Okay, whatever you do,

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we will keep the best of it, and for the

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ten bests of the best, you get to come on

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the road with us and go on tour with us.

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were so intent on being the best that they were

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like bringing in assistance and tripods and lighting. Like they

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really made a production out of it, and so it's

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not as amateur as they had wanted, but they really

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did ended up with some new It was new and

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exciting kind of thing for back then.

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Speaker 1: You know, at the beginning of the video, it's Sam

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Kennison's like, this is gonna be the same crappy video

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that we see all the time on MTV. Is that

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good enough for us? No? And let's grab the cameras

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and Sam Kennison going going crazy. It's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's showing Sam Kennison, Yeah, the kid that's

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next to him wearing the blue cutoff T shirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bon Jovi's brother. Oh that's Matt Okay, Yeah,

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that's cool. Love this song. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it's got this fantastic part where he seems to

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be done. He's he's worn out there. It's like they're

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taking him off stage and then he's like, no, I

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can't do it, I gotta go back. It's so James Brown,

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it's so the Preacher from Coming to America.

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Speaker 1: It's spot on awesome. I love it. I'm not done

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one more time with feeling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the lyrics of the song are nicely comparing being

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addicted to a drug.

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Speaker 5: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Is it compared to being addicted to a lady or you.

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Speaker 1: Know whatever your love is like drugs?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Desmond Child, Yeah, co wrote this song exactly. I

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need a respirator because I'm running out of breath. It's

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almost like a rap.

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Speaker 2: It's really it is a very rhythmic lyric. That is

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I mean, it sticks in your head.

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Speaker 1: It's great. It is it's it's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's timeless.

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Speaker 1: I think I just talked to my buddy Doug Gray

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here tonight. Shout out to my buddy Doug Gray for

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end of the show. Hey Doug. He said that for

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his basketball team in high school, their shirts said bad

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Medicine for the conference or whatever. So it it invaded

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pop culture a little bit. Yeah, this is a great

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story from Richie Sambora. Okay, so he was talking about

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writing this song. He said. They were in Japan doing

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a commercial for Fuji tape, right, and then whatever they

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were doing, they were standing in water, and Richie had

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been in this terrible relationship and while they're shooting this commercial,

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he walked up to John and just said, this is

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like bad medicine, man, And it was just one of

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those things that came into his head. And and John's like, yeah,

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we're gonna have to write that one down because that

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sounds really good. Fine, that's great. So there you go.

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Are we done with bad Medicine?

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Speaker 3: One months down?

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Speaker 1: Yes, bad Medicine. Great song. Two songs in.

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Speaker 2: You're already You've got me, You've got Me, two songs.

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Speaker 1: In We're killing it already, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like I've already had a good purchase with buying this

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cassette tape.

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Speaker 1: That's right, all right. Song number three, This song is

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called Born to Be My Baby.

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Speaker 2: I love the beginning of this. It's got a great

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jump in your face feel to it. Then when he

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starts singing the lyrics, it's got a very eleanor Rigby

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kind of strings behind the lyrics. Then the lyrics are

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very much Tommy and Gina from Living on a Prayer,

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only it's from Tommy's perspective, you know, It's just fantastic.

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And then the chorus of the songs, it may be

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the most perfectly written chorus I've ever heard. I mean,

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you could conceivably you know, this is almost like a

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lullaby to your loved one at night. You were born

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to be my baby. I was made to be your man.

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We've got something to believe in, even if we don't

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know where we stand. Only God would know the reason.

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But I guess he must have had a plan, because

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you're born to be my baby and I was made

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to be your man. It's like Doctor SEUs. It is

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but magical.

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Speaker 1: The chorus is fantastic. Yeah, it's like a warm snickers bar.

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I mean it just melds together so well, and you can't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you hear it one time and you've got

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it like you're you will be singing that chorus along

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with him by the time the song is over.

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Speaker 1: First time you hear and you're absolutely right. Thematically, it's

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very similar to living on a prayer. It's the working

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man and we're doing what we can and take my hand,

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we'll make it. I swear.

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Speaker 2: I'm genuinely surprised that this was not a bigger hit

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than it was.

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Speaker 1: It reached number three.

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Speaker 2: Right, which is good, it's great, but it should have

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been number one and number one for a while. So

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they originally said that this song was supposed to be

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an acoustic song. It wasn't as poppy and.

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Speaker 1: Let's speak okay, I want to talk about that for

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a second. Okay, the original demo. You can actually listen

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to that demo of the song. It's full on acoustic,

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played very softly, very tender, and John feels wrongly that

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if they had left it that same way, it would

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have been a number one hit.

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Speaker 6: Yephs, less Bless even Nedo the Something of Tamanu.

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Speaker 1: And I listened to it and it's still that same magical,

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beautiful song, but it's not that oh, that pomp and

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rocker that it's certain.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're obviously married to what we have the

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nostalgia with, right, there's no question about it. And I

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don't think that that demo probably would have been would

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have done it justice. I think that if you had,

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if you had the twelve string that they used from

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One and Dead or Alive, sure, and you had a

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more full sound behind those those lyrics, that it definitely

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because it just has that kind of lullaby feel to it,

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and I could I could definitely see it being I mean,

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I'd have been asking the girls to slow dance on

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this song if it had been one of those acoustic numbers.

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It was Bruce Fairbain who who convinced them to switch

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it over to be more hard hitting.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Bruce Fairbanks. The song that kept this out

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of the number one spot. Yeah, straight up by Paula

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abdul Well. That was a pretty big, one, pretty iconic song.

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Eighty eight yep. Okay, I want to talk about the video.

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For whatever reason, these videos hit me a lot stronger

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than the slippery one White videos did. Yeah. So it's

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it's filming them. It's in black and white. They're in

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the studio and you can actually hear you hear different

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pieces of the song. For instance, you see Richie playing

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the guitar, so it's more of the guitar sound. Then

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you see Tico and he's banging the drums, and then

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there's a it's kind of a breakdown in the middle

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of it, and John and Richie are like, what do

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you think, No, I don't like it. Let's do it again.

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And when they do that, then it comes the full version,

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full on and it sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a part in the video where like

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all the guys are singing together right like they're they're harmonizing.

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Speaker 1: They're all harmonizing around the microphone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic couple of things to note on the video. Yeah,

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there's a one part in the video where John is

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given a fair hug to a woman that is Dorothea.

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That's the woman that became his wife. Yeah, they're still

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married to They get married in eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: I think they eloped in They went to Vegas, yep,

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and didn't tell anybody.

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Speaker 1: Including their band or the managers. Or their parents.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think literally no one was happy with them.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I heard that too. One other thing to mention,

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the very last scene in the video. Yeah, they all

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kind of stand on this table and they kind of

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do this football huddle, and they're all kind of squealing.

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They could tell they're very happy. Yeah, that is the

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camera captured the moment of the band when they learned

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that their album was number one. Nice. So that's great

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in the Born to Be My Baby video. Yes, all right,

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ready we are done with Born to Be My Baby.

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Let's move on to the next song. It's called Living

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in set.

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Speaker 3: Less Breach.

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Speaker 1: Once again. I gotta say, I think they're a lit

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to George mine think. So this is one more try.

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Speaker 2: It's no, it's Father Figure. I mean it's totally It's

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so similar to Father Figure. Okay, I can hear him

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say put your tiny hand in mind in the song.

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I just I can almost hear him say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's probably true. This song was

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released October seventh, and nineteen eighty nine. This was the

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fifth single. I find it interesting that they're still releasing

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songs a year after the release of the album. They're

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squeezing this for all it's worth. I'm gonna go to

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bat for this song. I love this song. It's beautiful.

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It's not one of the strongest songs in the album.

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In fact, there's other songs that I would have released

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before this as a single, but I love it. It

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has that same never say goodbye, I don't care what

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anybody says. I love you and we're gonna make this work,

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that youthful passion that high schoolers feel when they're at

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the problem. I'm going to run away and marry.

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Speaker 2: This person, right, And that's kind of what the video

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does too, right, isn't it. This is one of the

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rare Bon Jovi videos that has like a storyline beyond

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them in concert or in the studio.

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Speaker 1: It's a couple of young people sneaking around at a

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hotel and their parents are very upset catching them and slapping. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd anybody, but I would have

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been upset in that same situation, right.

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Speaker 1: My position has changed over the years. And then leave

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them alone, let me alone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, shut up your stupid kid.

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Speaker 1: This was the fifth song to reach the top ten.

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That's the first time that a hard rock band had

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ever achieved that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this album had more top ten hits than any

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other glam rock album in history.

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Speaker 1: The orchestra in the background of this song gives it

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a breadth that I love. It's youthful passion. I love it.

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It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, castalgia again, I know it hits you right at

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that time too, right, Yeah for sure. I mean eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: You were fifteen, eighty nine, sixteen, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you're right there feeling those crazy hormonal emotions for

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some girl out there for several.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm capable of divorcing the nostalgia

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from this album. I'm just doing the best I can't.

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Speaker 2: I've said it before or in case you've missed it,

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those folks out there listening in. Jason is a pop

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culture savant. If he hears the music, he can tell

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me band name, song name, and year it came out

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and probably month that was most popular, if it was

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if it had some some popularity to it. But I

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think that always goes to he has it attached in

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his head to some event in his life that he

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can remember, and so that'd being the case, I can

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see how you would have a hard time.

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Speaker 1: I'm super nostalgic yeah, but that's why we're here, man,

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I know, I know, that's why I love doing this.

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00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

473
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: All right, last song on side one, song called Blood

474
00:25:45,640 --> 00:26:01,759
on Blood.

475
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,519
Speaker 2: Speaking of nostalgia, here you go. This is it, right.

476
00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:15,480
This is the song about when you're a kid and

477
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,160
you become blood brothers with your best friends.

478
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

479
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can still remember when I was just a kid,

480
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:25,039
when friends were friends forever and what you said was

481
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:26,440
what you did.

482
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. This song is about friendship and loyalty and being

483
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,240
able to depend on somebody and count on them when

484
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,759
you need them. It's all about those teenage relationships right right.

485
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: And it's a great the music that they have going

486
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,839
along with this, It just feels right, It feels perfect

487
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,759
for that kind of idea. It's really a great song.

488
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,440
It's not one of the most popular songs on the album,

489
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:53,640
but it's a solid It is a solid mixture of

490
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,920
lyrics and music for sure.

491
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:55,519
Speaker 7: Yeah.

492
00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,599
Speaker 1: At this time, the band was unified and loved each

493
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,279
other and were making these incredible songs and doing these

494
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:07,599
incredible concerts and they were in sync. So this song

495
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,680
was great in concert. Yeah, because you believe they were

496
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,799
a brotherhood. By extension, the fans were sort of in

497
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,559
that family.

498
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: I think that's important that you got to the fans

499
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,359
have got to feel that camaraderie among the band to

500
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,279
really buy in the way that.

501
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: They want them to.

502
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, I think call I

503
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,119
think they call themselves the New Jersey Syndicate. Yeah, but

504
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:34,119
they had a really strong, you know, band of brothers

505
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,039
type of relationship until they had been on the road

506
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,279
for something like seven years straight. They toured constantly with

507
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:46,279
Slippery when Wet, toured constantly with New Jersey, and by

508
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:48,920
the time they were done touring New Jersey, they all

509
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,599
got on a plane, a different plane and all went

510
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,279
to different places and didn't say goodbye. Yeah, never said goodbye.

511
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,680
You know, it's they were it was time for them

512
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,240
to be done for a little while. Yeah, it was.

513
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:06,279
Speaker 1: It was a tough little spot right after this album. So, yep,

514
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,599
for sure. Did you know the Blood on Blood was

515
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,200
inspired by the movie stand By Me? No, yeah, Rob Rynders,

516
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,000
stand by Me because that movie's.

517
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 2: About yeah, yeah, I mean friendship and yeah it's yeah

518
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,079
kids doing in eighty six If that came out, yep, right,

519
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,160
oh wow, that's fantastic. Yeah that because honestly, that's the

520
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,519
movie when my friends from that age, when we would

521
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:32,279
talk about how close we were, we would compare ourselves

522
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,839
to stand by Me. Yeah, there is definitely a big,

523
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,279
big nostalgia associated with that movie, and this song captures

524
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:38,599
it well.

525
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lyric that says, through the years and

526
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:43,720
miles between us, it's been a long and lonely ride,

527
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:46,160
but if I got that call in the dead of

528
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,960
the night, I'd be right by your side. Blood on Blood. Yeah,

529
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880
it's great stuff. Yeah, there's only one lyric that kind

530
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,359
of bothers me in this song. Yeah, it says Danny

531
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,440
knew this white trash girl. Oh, we each threw a ten.

532
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: She took us to this cheap hotel and turned to sentiment.

533
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,839
Speaker 1: Yep, thirty dollars make you holler because I get paid

534
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:14,440
to do the wild. Just such a great emotional Once again,

535
00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:18,039
I'm gushing. I'm trying not to. I love it song. Yeah,

536
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,160
all right, hit stop on your tape player, kick it out,

537
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,799
flip it over side to New Jersey.

538
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: The name of this song is Homebound Train.

539
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, homebound train, and you've got the you've got some

540
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,119
of the train sound effects to start this off. Yeah,

541
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:41,000
and then it blows in full on rocker. Like we

542
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,960
said last week, it's like raise your hands on the

543
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,799
first song of side two of Slippery when wet. Yeah,

544
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:52,640
it's the hardest rocking song on the album. Well, and

545
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,359
it does that. You know. I talked to you before

546
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,000
about Crossroads.

547
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: One of the ideas and Crossroads is you've got to

548
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,960
be able to imitated train. There's just something about trains

549
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:05,759
and rock and roll and the blues that you've got

550
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,200
to be able to do it. And they've got a

551
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:11,880
sound effect at the beginning, it's has a trained sound,

552
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,119
but then that guitar that down is very much a

553
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,640
train rhythmic style of sound. And then, of course, to

554
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,960
go along with the crossroads theme, you've got When I

555
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,720
was just a boy, the devil took my hand, so.

556
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: It's very cross Yeah, I'm wondering. In the middle of

557
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,039
this song, you have the harmonica and you have the

558
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,720
dueling organ that it's it's very different from most Bonjovi songs.

559
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,039
Speaker 2: It's far more blues based, yep.

560
00:30:39,119 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: And then you have that great guitar solo so you

561
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,680
can see Aero Smith and Jeff Beck. You've got that

562
00:30:46,839 --> 00:30:48,759
slide guitar, maybe some led Zeppelin.

563
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,319
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's I definitely felt led Zeppelin when

564
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,319
I was listening to it today, kind of like led

565
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:54,960
Zeppelin Black Crows.

566
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,079
Speaker 1: Nice little mix up there. Yeah, it's good, really good.

567
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,920
I love the part in the song where John at

568
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:06,519
the top of his range screams woo like like a train,

569
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,759
you know, like the sound of a train. Yeah, all right,

570
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,720
it's a great song. I enjoy it. I'm loving it. Yeah, exciting,

571
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,960
feel good song. Yep. Okay, next song it's called Wild

572
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:33,960
is the Wind.

573
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: I just gotta say I am a sucker for the

574
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:39,440
Spanish style guitar.

575
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,039
Speaker 1: I love, love, love it.

576
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: Talked about first song that bon Jovie learned. First song

577
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,319
that I learned was House of the Rising Sun. It

578
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,640
has a very Spanish guitar kind of chord progression, and

579
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:58,400
this beginning is awesome. I love it, and I love

580
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,240
the transition that they made. I love the music that

581
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,640
is behind the lyrics and the song, and I love

582
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:10,200
the lyrics to the song me.

583
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: Know.

584
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: But for some reason, to me, the lyrics and this

585
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,279
and the music don't seem like they belong together. I

586
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:32,319
don't know what it is. I can't put my finger

587
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,640
on it. It just doesn't sound quite right. It doesn't

588
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,799
sound quite like they fit. And so I wanted to

589
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,279
love the song because I loved all of the components,

590
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,759
but it was one that I just kind of left

591
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:48,440
me going up that wasn't just wasn't quite right.

592
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: Okay. To me, this song feels like a lot of

593
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,759
the stuff that's on the Young Guns two soundtrack that

594
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:57,720
we get a couple of years later. It has that

595
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:03,000
sort of Western maybe Southwest cowboy type of feel. The

596
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:07,279
Spanish guitar definitely has that feel to it. Okay. So

597
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,559
here's the story with this song. When they got done

598
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,279
with their thirty demos, Bruce Fairbairn got all the teenagers

599
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,480
he knew and babysitters and friends and friends of kids

600
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:22,039
and kids friend they put together their little pizza parlor jury.

601
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,000
And when they did it, John asked everyone listening, say,

602
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,599
all right, we're gonna listen to these songs. I want

603
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,440
you to rank them. Which ones you think are the best? Okay?

604
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,599
You know what got number one, Born to Be My Baby?

605
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:34,200
You know what got number two, Stick to Your Guns,

606
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:36,319
which we'll talk about here in a second, okay. And

607
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,400
number three was Wild is the Wind Wow? And John

608
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:41,680
was like, Wow, he was really blown away. He's like,

609
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,680
people really like those songs, and John was like, I

610
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,759
didn't think they were going to make the album. Wild

611
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,200
is the Wind is now on the album because of

612
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,039
that little mini pizza parlor jury. Wow.

613
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: It's kind of one of those things that I don't

614
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:58,799
want to have not heard it. Yeah, I just I

615
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,359
just I feel like it just didn't fit together like.

616
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: I wanted it to. I still love it. I don't care.

617
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,960
I love it. Yeah, Okay, we done with this one, Yeah,

618
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:14,039
all right. Next song is a song called Ride Cowboy, Ride.

619
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,599
Speaker 5: Camel Ride.

620
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 6: On the sound on Jokus bevery Round.

621
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: So this beginning with the sound of a record like

622
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,840
you hear the scratch of the record as the as

623
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,840
the needle drops right and you've got that chord at

624
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,599
the beginning. I immediately thought of Pink Floyd Wish You

625
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,119
Were Here, because that's basically the same beginning you've got

626
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,119
that it changes. It's a totally different sounding song past

627
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,119
that first chord, but the record needle and the strum

628
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,519
of the guitar where it sounds like it's not a

629
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:57,280
good recording and it's off in the distance that is

630
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,000
straight out of wish you were here.

631
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,639
Speaker 1: I can see where you feel that way. Yeah for sure.

632
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,840
So that was recorded in mono sound. This is not

633
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,400
really a song. I mean, it's just kind of an intro.

634
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,360
I would call it an intro to Stick to Your.

635
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:15,079
Speaker 2: Guns, right, which is again the same kind of thing.

636
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,280
Once Wish you Were Here picks up, it becomes a

637
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,039
full fledged song. It's not that mono distant sound that

638
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,039
this song has, but it's still good.

639
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: I still like it. Yeah, it's good. Apparently this was

640
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,400
the original intention was for it to be a full song,

641
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,039
but they just could never finish it, and so they

642
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,840
had this kind of course that they liked Ride Cowboy Ride.

643
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,920
They just didn't have a song with it, but they

644
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,440
thought it was good enough to stick on the album

645
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,920
as an intro to Stick to your Guns.

646
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 2: So there's a song called Ride Sally Ride by Al Green.

647
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:59,559
Speaker 5: And everybody would say one.

648
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: Of those tape shit they pulled out whenever they're in

649
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,280
their writing.

650
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Sessions, the Sally Ride that sounds dead on. Yeah. Okay,

651
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,159
So do you know who is credited as writing the song? Oh?

652
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,119
Speaker 2: It is this the one that's Captain Kidd.

653
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: Captain Kidd and the King of Swing which are.

654
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: The code names the nicknames for bon Jovi and Richie Simbora.

655
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:23,039
Speaker 1: Yes, flashback to last week's episode. The lyrics of let

656
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,239
It Rock mention the King of Swing and the Captain

657
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,559
kidd All right, now we're onto a song called stick

658
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:30,239
to Your Guns.

659
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: So they really are hitting the cowboy thing on the

660
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,039
side of the tape. Yeah, for sure, very western in

661
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,239
there's I think they're trying to capture that lightning in

662
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:58,920
a bottle from One and Dead or Alive.

663
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,559
Speaker 1: Absolutely agree with you.

664
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: And I gotta say I love this song. I don't

665
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,360
love it like I love One and Dead or Alive.

666
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: But this is still a really good song, fantastic song.

667
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: I'm surprised this was not a single, not a hit.

668
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:15,079
It is single worthy and had the radio been blasting

669
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:16,519
it all the time when I was a kid, I

670
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:17,920
probably would have fallen in love with it.

671
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm with you, this is single worthy. This would have

672
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:29,079
been a big hit with a big concert and video.

673
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,000
The interesting line in this is when you spit you

674
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:41,559
better mean it. Yeah, definitely. This is this album's wanted

675
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,199
Dead or Alive or Blaze of Glory. Not quite there,

676
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,920
but it was the attempt. Yeah, I would call this

677
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:51,320
one of my most favorite under the radar Bonjovi songs

678
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:54,800
for sure, love it, love it. Like we said earlier,

679
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,760
this song was one of those songs that may not

680
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,639
have made the cut of the album if it hadn't

681
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,159
been for the make shift pizza parlor jury that Bruce

682
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:06,840
Fairbairn organized. Right, stick your Guns. Great song. Next song,

683
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:07,559
I'll be there.

684
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: For you.

685
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,679
Speaker 1: All right. This song was released April fourth of eighty

686
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,920
nine and it hit number one May thirteenth of eighty nine.

687
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 2: So we've got this interesting beginning where, unlike the blues

688
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:33,880
and cowboy songs, we've got a sitar, very South Asia

689
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,599
sound going on at the beginning of the song. But

690
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,440
that's over pretty quickly and we jump right back into

691
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:46,039
a very slow blues song and I love it.

692
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,119
Speaker 1: It takes a little while for this song to build

693
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,760
after the guitar solo, it's full on, great.

694
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:57,679
Speaker 2: Power ballad, fantastic lyrics again, I'll be there for you

695
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:01,599
these five words I swear to you when you breathe,

696
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,440
I want to be the air for you. I'll be

697
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:05,320
there for you.

698
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good.

699
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,119
Speaker 2: Steal the sun from the sky for.

700
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 1: You in order to fully appreciate this song. I think

701
00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:13,880
you have to watch the video. So you have the

702
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,440
guys on stage kind of like living on a prayer.

703
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,719
It's pre concert, and then it kind of moves into

704
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:24,400
concert footage of Wembley Stadium and it's packed and people

705
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,679
are crammed in there and that their height of popularity.

706
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,880
And at the key change, once again we have the

707
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,440
standard bon Jovi massive key change. In this song. There's

708
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,199
a girl who's weeping, like crying because she's seeing bon

709
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:52,079
Jovi and it's it's kind of a touching moment in

710
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:55,440
the video and I'm a sucker for that, but it

711
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,360
looks it just looks awesome.

712
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,159
Speaker 2: And it's it's a perfectly put together song in all ways.

713
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,840
I cannot there's no fault I can find with this song.

714
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this song is this album's never say Goodbye. Yeah,

715
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,679
this one went on a few mixtapes as well, make

716
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:19,400
out mix tapes. Make this one slid over to the

717
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,440
eighty nine version, but yeah, you're on the right track.

718
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:41,519
That brings us to the song ninety nine in the shade.

719
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay, we started playing a Beach Boys album.

720
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,679
Speaker 1: Just now, what's going on here? What's this chorus?

721
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,159
Speaker 2: What what's this harmony going on here? Oh okay, here

722
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,519
we go. Here's bon Jovi. Sorry, furn enough with fever. Yeah,

723
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,559
that's standard bon Jovi. Oh wait, Tommy and Gina are back.

724
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: I'man Gina about it. I mean, Gena, I'm living on

725
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,280
a prayer. Yes, they actually make a reappearance in this

726
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,639
song and then later again, as we said.

727
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 7: And that's my life.

728
00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

729
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,119
Speaker 2: So this one's about going on with the buddies. This

730
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,159
is Tommy can come as long as Gina says, it's

731
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:26,599
all right.

732
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,119
Speaker 1: This is about hanging out with your buds, cruising down

733
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:36,519
to the beach and those sort of endless summer nights

734
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:38,800
of hanging out and having fun. Tell me what's not

735
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,079
appealing about this song? I love it. I mean it's

736
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,599
it's all about having summer nights, endless summer nights. We

737
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:48,199
gotta cover Richard Marks one of these days.

738
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,559
Speaker 2: I was really thinking about Grease. But okay, sure.

739
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: This is a fun one. This is one of the

740
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,800
weaker tracks on the album, but it's still funnest.

741
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh I love this No, I love this song. It's great.

742
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,880
This is an there's strong song compared to the other

743
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,039
song for the album. No it's not a chart topping hit,

744
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,800
but it's still very very good, still a great song.

745
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. Nine and nine in the shade, not

746
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,400
a skipper, lots of fun all right. That brings us

747
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,639
to the last track on the album. This song is

748
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:17,719
called Love for.

749
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 7: Sale hit me all right?

750
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:32,199
Speaker 1: What do you think?

751
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: I freaking love it?

752
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:35,639
Speaker 1: Another train song.

753
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: You get that awesome harmonica in there, pulling from the

754
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,000
blues again, and then the lyrics that come in are

755
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:42,960
just what you want them to.

756
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Be, right, Yeah, woke up this morning, rode out of bed.

757
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:48,559
Speaker 2: I love it.

758
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: It's fun, it's it's acoustic, it's bluesy.

759
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 2: It's it's very much like they're in a jam session. Yeah,

760
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,000
like they're just, you know, let's just lay down something

761
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:01,960
that sounds like a train again and see where it goes.

762
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,760
And they had a nice little finish to this one.

763
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: This one reminds me of the end.

764
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: Of Back in Black, where they where they suddenly surprise

765
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:17,079
you with again a completely different sounding song and a good.

766
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking about rock and roll. Lai's solution. Yes, rock

767
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:24,880
am roll. Yeah, here's the thing. I've listened to the demos,

768
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,599
the extended version of New Jersey and there are other

769
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,880
songs that are better than Love for Sale that could

770
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,559
have easily kicked it off. But I'm glad it made it.

771
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:36,599
It's fun. You can tell they're having a good time

772
00:43:36,639 --> 00:43:41,960
recording this that John actually laughs while he's singing. Right, So,

773
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:46,519
I'm I think it's great. I love it. John says,

774
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:48,400
I feel like a dog that's been kicked in the head,

775
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,119
and Richie goes ouch. Yeah, it's fun.

776
00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: We've been living together three years, two hours, twenty minutes,

777
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,639
maybe four hundred beers. And you know that this is

778
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,599
a song about the band, right, Yeah.

779
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: This was the only song that was recorded in New Jersey.

780
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,000
Everything else was recorded in Vancouver.

781
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,559
Speaker 2: Great end. It's a great end to the album.

782
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's not going to be a radio single,

783
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,079
not probably a top one hundred hit, but it's still fun. Yeah.

784
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: It is one of the I feel like there are

785
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,400
some songs that they they're like, let's just do this

786
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,280
for the fans. Sure, because if you love bon Jovi,

787
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,719
you're gonna love listening to them do this little jam SESSI.

788
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: At this time they really had the minus touch. They

789
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,840
could have released anything and it would have been a hit.

790
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: They made some I mean, honestly, they had a lot

791
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,159
of skeptics wondering if they could do what they did again,

792
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,960
and they knocked it out of the park.

793
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,039
Speaker 1: Okay, we're moving into final judgment.

794
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 2: Now I think we can, don't you. Yeah, well maybe

795
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,400
maybe we have a story to tell though before we

796
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:48,480
get to final judgment.

797
00:44:49,079 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we got two stories to tell.

798
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we talked about the Moscow Music Peace Festival.

799
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: So the Moscow Peace Festival was how Doc McGee would

800
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
have got off. He got bon Jovi, he got the Scorpions,

801
00:45:00,039 --> 00:45:02,719
he got Ozzie Osbourne, he got skid Row, you got Cinderella.

802
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,039
He got all these guys together to go over to

803
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:06,920
Moscow and play this music festival.

804
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,519
Speaker 2: Right, and the foundation that he put together to make

805
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:13,639
a difference foundation was an anti drug foundation. And if

806
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:16,039
you know the history of any of these bands, you

807
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:17,000
gotta be going.

808
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: Huh right, what right?

809
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 2: What?

810
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,079
Speaker 1: Exqueeze me?

811
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: I listened to Snake Sabo's talk about the getting on

812
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,880
the plane and he said, the only guys that were

813
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,039
sober was Motley Crue. It's just that.

814
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,159
Speaker 1: Doesn't even make sense. It makes sense he gets on

815
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:35,519
the plane.

816
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: He's like, how do they get all of this booze

817
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,039
on the plane. And of course, you know, this was

818
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:45,559
just after Girls, Girls, Girls, and Nicky six dies twice

819
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,039
and they finally were like, you good, get these guys

820
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,440
into rehab and so they were actually clean. Everybody else

821
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:58,800
was partying, yep, their butts off. And then there's this rumor, rumor,

822
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,239
mind you, that the CIA might have been involved in

823
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:09,000
this because of Doc McGee's criminal stuff and saw it

824
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:13,480
as an opportunity to propagandize the Soviet Union. I mean,

825
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:18,440
actually it was during this festival that the Scorpions wrote

826
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,599
Wind of Change, which is about the changing perceptions that

827
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:26,800
were going on in the Soviet Union at that time.

828
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:30,679
And then literally the Berlin Wall comes down within a

829
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,239
few months and the Soviet Union disbands dissolves within a

830
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,599
few months. So who knows.

831
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: If you want a really interesting podcast to listen to,

832
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,400
go listen to Wind of Change. It's about the song

833
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,760
Wind of Change by the Scorpions, but it revolves around

834
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,679
the Moscow Piece Festival, so very interesting. After you get

835
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:51,800
done listening to this one, go listen to that. Yeah,

836
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,760
all right, So the Moscow Piece Festival was I believe

837
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,800
August twelfth and thirteenth of nineteen eighty nine. Then just

838
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,760
a few weeks later, on September this six, nineteen eighty nineties,

839
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,880
John and Richie perform at the nineteen eighty nine MTV

840
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,119
Music Awards and they come out with just their acoustic

841
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:12,480
guitars and they knock out a version of Living on

842
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:15,719
a Prayer and Wanted Dead or Alive. That absolutely blows

843
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,480
people away this series.

844
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:36,079
Speaker 5: It shad.

845
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,079
Speaker 1: No power techniques, no big band, just two guys and

846
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:57,119
two guitars, and that performance actually leads to MTV Unplucked.

847
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,800
People were really impressed by that performance. And then on

848
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,840
September fourteenth, just one week later, I saw bon Jovi

849
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:08,159
in Tulsa, Oklahoma with everybody in my high school and

850
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,639
it was one of the greatest nights of my high

851
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:11,280
school life.

852
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,639
Speaker 2: So while you were going through that experience, I mean,

853
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:18,159
I mean, it's amazing that they went from Moscow Music

854
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:23,480
Piece Festival within a few weeks to the MTV amazing

855
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,079
performance that they had, and then a couple of weeks

856
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,920
after that, they're in Tulsa, Oklahoma and you're watching them live.

857
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,719
So that MTV Video Music Awards. I've said it before,

858
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,440
Wanted Dead or Alive is the reason that I started

859
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,440
playing guitar. It was that version that made me go,

860
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:42,960
I have to learn how to do what he's doing.

861
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:46,239
And it was one of the once. I mean, that's

862
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,079
not an easy beginning for a brand new guitarist to play.

863
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,679
It took probably another year or two before I got there,

864
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,320
but that was my objective, was I'm going to learn

865
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,320
how to play just so that I can learn how

866
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:59,679
to play Want a Dead or Alive?

867
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: Amazing? Yeah, kind of an impactful pocket in time for

868
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:04,159
both you and I.

869
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy, isn't it incredible?

870
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: All Right, let's talk final judgment, New Jersey versus Slippery

871
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,559
When Wet.

872
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 2: You go first?

873
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: All right, I love both of these albums. I've told

874
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,320
you before. These are two of the four pillar albums

875
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,280
in my life. I certainly don't see anything unseating them.

876
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,000
It's New Jersey, it's Slippery when Wet, It's thriller, and

877
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,519
it's hysteria for me. Okay, everybody else is a little

878
00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,920
bit different. But when I listen to all these songs,

879
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:38,239
for me, Slippery when Wet has songs like You Give

880
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,559
Love a Bad Name, has songs like Living on a Prayer,

881
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:44,519
which we said maybe the best song of the nineteen eighties.

882
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,239
Want a Dead or a Live maybe one of the

883
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,679
greatest eighties rock songs. So you have those three massive

884
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,840
pillars from that album, and then you have tons of

885
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,920
great songs. There's no throwaway tracks. Now you switch over

886
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,679
to New Jersey. You've got five top ten hits. Let

887
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,719
your hand. I mean, you've got Bad Medicine, You've got

888
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,360
Born to Be My Baby, you got Living in Sin,

889
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,639
You've got Abby there for you. You've got a couple of

890
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,679
weird ones like Love for Sale and Ride Cowboy Ride.

891
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,440
But for me, I think I'm gonna have to say

892
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,159
that Slippery when Wet is probably the better album of

893
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:20,599
the two. But New Jersey is my favorite album. I

894
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:24,880
can't divorce my nostalgic feelings from that time of my life.

895
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:32,480
But I'm going with my favorite album. New Jersey Rap.

896
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: You totally threw me for a loop. I did not

897
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,679
expect you to do that, son of a guy. Okay,

898
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,280
I'm struggling. I'm still struggling. I'm back in the Buldeerham

899
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,840
Major League. Which one of these things is better? And

900
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:57,480
it is almost too difficult to say, so New Jersey

901
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,480
lots of nostalgia, just like you. I had that album.

902
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,239
I remember it in my I remember listening to that

903
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,960
tape over and over again for years. For years, I

904
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,519
would listen to that tape. And if you look at

905
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:16,280
the album as a whole, it has less song. It's

906
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,000
every single song is at least good. You know, there

907
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,159
are no bad songs on the album. There's the only

908
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,559
one that I mentioned before, as Wild as the Wind,

909
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,199
that just didn't it. I loved each part of it.

910
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,199
It just didn't seem to mesh together like it was

911
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,320
supposed to for me. But beyond that, every other single

912
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,679
song on the album is good.

913
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: And you have.

914
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,079
Speaker 2: More chart topping songs off of this album than you

915
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:47,239
do off of Slippery When Wet, and they're amazing. They're timeless,

916
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,119
bad medicine. Lay your hands on me. I'll be there

917
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:53,480
for you. I mean, there are so many timeless songs.

918
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,840
But if I've got to pick, if I got I'm

919
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,599
thinking of a thinging of you.

920
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: Now.

921
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: If I'm walking out the door and I got to

922
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,760
pick one CD to take with me, which one of

923
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,920
it is going to be, it's got to be Slippery

924
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,079
One Wet. You just can't overcome the power of you

925
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:14,679
give love a bad name, living on a prayer, wanted

926
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:19,159
debt or alive. I mean, it's just it's too iconic

927
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:24,360
in my my nostalgic period to not give the nod

928
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,880
to Slippery One Wet.

929
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,559
Speaker 1: For me for sure, fantastic, fantastic, and I can't blame

930
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:30,559
you at all. Yeah, I got no problem with that.

931
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,559
Two fantastic albums. We love them both. Yeah. Please, we

932
00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,920
want to hear from you guys. Which one do you

933
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,119
think is the best? Is it Slippery One Web from

934
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:42,159
nineteen eighty six? Is it New Jersey from nineteen eighty eight?

935
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,519
Is it Keep the Faith? Hey? Keep the Faith is

936
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:46,760
one that I would love to cover at some point.

937
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,519
Speaker 2: It's another great album. It's another tape that I had

938
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:51,840
that I would make out to all the time.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear from you guys. Ride us in email us,

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go to our Facebook page, to our page, go to

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our Patreon page. Let's hear from you guys.

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Speaker 2: Let me just say, if you've made it this far,

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we can't tell you how much we appreciate you. You

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guys are awesome. If you can do one thing for us,

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tell somebody that you know about our podcast that you

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think might like it. Do you know somebody who loves

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music from the eighties and nineties? Do you know somebody

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who loves movies from the eighties and nineties. If so,

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just let them know because the more the more clicks

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we get on that subscribe button, the more people find

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out about us. So please, please, please let folks know.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, we will see you next week.