Speaker 1: Hello Shirley fans, and welcome back to the Sureley You
Can't Be Serious podcast. We are here today on our
second installment of Alien Versus Aliens, and normally we're ahead
of the game. Normally we have several episodes in the
queue that we have recorded, but we had summer vacation
and we are doing things fast and on the fly,
and we made some mistakes in the last episode, and
we forgot some things in the last episode. We forgot
that it was the thirty fifth anniversary of Freaking the
release of Aliens, that last week, the thirty fifth anniversary,
the thirty fifth anniversary. How do I forget that?
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. So we're recording this July twenty first. Yes,
this was the number one movie in America in nineteen
eighty six, on this day, thirty five years ago.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. I also forgot to mention when we were talking
about Bill Paxton, Bill Paxton number one. His great great grandfather,
Elijah Franklin Paxton, was a general in the Confederate Army
during the Civil War.
Speaker 2: Stop your grinnin and drop your Lennen.
Speaker 1: This is even better. Bill Paxton was in the crowd
when President John F. Kennedy came out of the Hotel
Texas in Fort Worth on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,
the day he was assassinated. There are photographs of an
eight year old Bill Paxton being lifted above the crowd
on display at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's fantastic. I know it's crazy, right, that is insane.
Speaker 1: Yes. So one other mistake that I made was I
said that the I said that, what's his name, Yafit Koto.
I said that Yaffitkoto's real name was Parker. That was
his character's name. His real name was Frederick. He took
his dad's name, his mom Comfred. I'm a Comfred. But
what do we do? I mean, what do we do?
What are we going to do with the last episode
is already out there?
Speaker 2: I say, we take off and we knew the entire
site from Morbid all right?
Speaker 1: We wasted no offense, no none, take it? Okay, fantastic.
Let's dive back in, Yeah, back in for production of
both Alien and Aliens. Let's go back to Alien, all right.
Speaker 2: So Alien was filmed in London at Pinewood Studios, which
is the same spot that Aliens is later filmed directed
by Sir Rely Scott.
Speaker 1: Yep, same place that they were shooting Superman one and two.
Speaker 2: I think we shot Star Wars there too, if I'm
not mistaken.
Speaker 1: It was a popular place to be shooting, some amazing place,
big place.
Speaker 2: Hey. A couple of notes on some actors that I
wanted to throw in here that I forgot real quick.
Helen Muran auditioned for a role in Alien, didn't get it.
Speaker 1: Wow, how about that she's too hot back then? Gosh,
she was major. She was a really good looking back then.
Speaker 2: And apparently we can thank Warren Batty for Sigourney Weavers Discovery.
Really yeah, he saw her on stage and recommended.
Speaker 1: Her to producer David Guyler.
Speaker 2: Wow, probably saw her and thought rare, who's that?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk special effects?
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we've got two different groups of guys that
did special effects on these two movies. I think I
mentioned last time that the guys responsible for kind of
the design of the ship were Ron Cobb and Chris Foss.
So Ron Cobb had been a Disney animator at like
age seventeen. I ended up getting laid off on that
got a job doing Dark Star, which is where he
met Dan O'Bannon. He ended up working on Star Wars,
he worked on Raiders, He worked on Conan, Back to
the Future, the Abyss Total recall. I mean, he became
a major hero in the special effects world. Yep. He
had been an artist and a cartoonist, like I said,
but like he was starving. He was a starvin artist.
He had even done the album cover for Jefferson Airplane album,
which is how Yeah, that's how he got the job
on Darkstar. Okay, Yeah, they called him up and they're like, okay,
we kind of wanted we need you to design a
spaceship for us called the Dark Star, and he drew
it on a napkin at the pancake house. Well. Sure,
And so when O'Bannon goes over to do Dune with
Porto Rowski, he brings over that guy. They hit it
off off, but as we know, Dune fails. But then
he goes back. He designed you know in Star Wars,
the Hammerhead, the guy with like the kind of car, Yeah,
he designed that. He's the guy that came up with
that in the canteena scene that's fantastic. And he helped
Spielberg right Night Sky Night Skies, which was supposed to
be a Close Encounter sequel but kind of got split
into e T and Pultercrest. Okay Stielberg. Later on Okay,
Fantastic and Back to the Future, he was listed as
the DeLorean time travel consultant. I don't know what that means, Okay.
And then the other guy that helped out was Chris Foss.
He was the guy who did the original black and
white illustrations for the Joy of Sex, the very hairy
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Speaker 1: Okay, So those two guys were the guys who made
the space ships, but they brought on Roger Christian, who
was the guy from Star Wars, who was the genius
who said make it dirty. Right. He's the guy who
was responsible for the Millennium Falcon looking dirty, and he's
the guy for making the guy who made the no
Strummo look like a space truck. Right.
Speaker 2: The used universe philosophy, and it's that's one idea that
really Scott carried over to Blade Runner.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely so. Roger Christian was like the third
guy hired to do Star Wars. He ended up doing
second unit directing second unit for Return of the Jedi,
But he said it was a symbiosis for him and
Dan and Ron all together. He said, if it would
have just been Dan, it would look like Dark Star.
If it had just been Raun, it looked like Star Trek.
But what he did was make you believe you were
on a space truck that had been traveling for years
and years in space.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Side note, he directed The Cinder, which happens to be
Quentin Tarantino's favorite horror movie, The Cinder. Yeah, okay, so
that covers the guys who did this special effects for Alien.
One of the things I want to mention nuts.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd call the special effects or not,
but there's actually a scene where Ash is doing an
autopsy on the face hug. Yeah, okay, and it looks
incredibly real. Yes, well, that's because they were using real
oysters and a sheep kidney in this model.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't like an inside one of those horseshoe crabs, right,
didn't they take a horseshoe crab and put it in?
Speaker 2: I think they combined several different I know they used
the sheep kidney and they used oysters. Yeah, but because
the lights were so strong, they had to move quickly
during filming, and that sucker started to stink.
Speaker 1: Oh reps. Oh nasty. But he had his face right
up in there too, Yeah, exactly. Okay.
Speaker 2: So one of the things I want to talk about
is the ship. The actual alien vessel. Yeah, I don't
think it has a name, just that horseshoe looking spacecraft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that was supposed to be a pyramid
but then they changed it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, so when they investigate what John Hurt goes on
board and they're looking around, they find what the fans
called the space jockey.
Speaker 1: Oh right, the old Yeah, the old carcass of the
guy who had had his chest burst from long ago.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like this bigger bipedal humanoid looking thing. And
you actually get kind of the backstory on this. Have
you ever seen Prometheus?
Speaker 1: I have not seen Prometheus, But anyway, after Alioats wore,
I was just like, I'm just done with this franchise.
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Well, so that ship, the horseshoe ship, James Cameron wanted
that again for Aliens, and when he contacted the people said, hey,
I need I need that ship. Can we use that ship?
You know that model? We don't know where it is,
We can't find it, and so so they start looking
around for stuff from the movie Alien, can't find the shuttle,
can't find you know, these different models, and nobody knows
where it is. Well, somebody finally speaks up and they're like, well,
I think it's over it in Jimmy's backyard.
Speaker 1: Like by his driveway.
Speaker 2: Jimmy, Well, just the guy, I mean one of the guys,
one of the guys from the movie Alien. Yeah, I
mean somebody had it and it was sitting back just
kind of rusting in their driveway.
Speaker 1: Oh wow. So the model makers.
Speaker 2: From Aliens went over to his house retrieved it. Now
he can weed eat or whatever. They took it back,
they cleaned it up, and they used the exact same
one for Aliens.
Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: I watched the special edition of Aliens, which Jim Cameron
calls the definitive edition. And I know we'll talk about
the extra scenes here in a minute, but I don't know,
do we get a good look at that ship in
the Okay? Really that's the special edition because you do
see the ship. Yeah, and that's usually actually see nudes
family discover that ship.
Speaker 1: Wow you don't know this? Yeah, no, so I watched
the original version. I didn't watch the extended cut, so
like that scene is not in the original cut.
Speaker 2: We will talk about the awesome, amazing additional scenes that
were cut. Yeah, we'll talk about that here A minute
once we get.
Speaker 1: Through special effects. Okay, So talking about that gigantic ship,
he wanted it to be as big as it could
possibly be, and it wasn't big enough for him. So
what he ended up doing was putting little kids inside
the space suits. As a matter of fact, he put
his own kids, like his two sons. Really Scott's boys, right, yeah, really,
Scott's sons are two of the astronauts and a cinematographer.
His son is the other astronaut. To make the space
jockey look bigger, and to make the big cavernous kind
of you know, biomechanical thing that they're inside looked bigger,
he had little kids inside of those. That's fantastic. That's
a good idea. And as they were lighting the place,
you know that you've got the set designer. And he
starts flipping on the lights and he only hits two
and Ridley Scott goes, stop, we are not putting any
more lights in this. He's like, Ridley, got I've got
like thirteen more lights to light this place up. We
need to see all. He's like, no, this needs to
be dark. It needs to be mysterious. He goes, you're
never going to see it, he goes it will work,
and it was the most effective use of mystery of
your just catching hints of what's going on, and he's
letting your imagination do all of the rest.
Speaker 2: It's the Jaws theory, right, right. We don't get a
good look at the alien. We really don't get a
great look at the Shark and Jaws, right, which is
interesting because really Scott based Alien on a couple of movies, right,
So he wanted to feel like Jaws in space. Yeah,
which Jaws in nineteen seventy five film in nineteen seventy nine.
You can clearly see the influence of Jaws. He wanted
it to kind of feel like Rosemary's Baby, Okay, and
then he wanted the shock factor and the death feel
to be like Texas Chainsaw masking.
Speaker 1: How about that? Oh yeah, that's great. That is great.
So the other effective thing they did on the special
effects was the use of the point of view cam
and of the oh like the TV screens, like as
they're watching what's going on, because we can, as the
audience can accept hey, we've got this grainy image on
the TV screen. So the special effects don't have to
be perfect because it's on this grainy TV screen that
we're watching it, and then we don't have to see
a lot of action from the actors in these caverns
because he gives us their point of view as they're
going through intercuts. It all perfectly, so beautifully filmed. Awesome job.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're bouncing around here, but I want to go
on that thought as well. So you mentioned the TV
camera the POV version, and I remember when I first
saw Alien. Each one of the Marines has a video
camera on its shoulder, yes, and Gorman, Burke and Ripley
are watching back in the APV. I remember watching this
going what is happening?
Speaker 1: I can't get a good look.
Speaker 2: And you see, you hear shotguns, you hear the alien squealing,
and Hudson's in the camera going.
Speaker 1: Lot's get the heck out of here.
Speaker 2: They got the sarge man, you know, switching people, and
it's so good.
Speaker 1: It is what these movies are all about. It is
the mystery and terror of the unknown, right like the
alien is like the in literature, he is the other.
He is that unknown. We're afraid of this thing. We
don't know what it is, and it's that unknown that
makes us scared and by leaving things in the dark
and leaving things where you're just hearing what's going on
instead of being able to see them. He captures that
moment of the unknown for the audience. Particularly in Aliens.
Speaker 2: You get that one great shot where they're walking around
the nest. Yeah you as the audience member, No, they're walking.
It's like a hive, right right. You get that one
great shot where the alien jumped on that one character
back boom, and then it jumps to the TV and
it's mass chaos.
Speaker 1: Yep, super scary. Okay, so let's jump back to Alien
all right. So at the beginning of this movie, you
have this very Kubrick two thousand and one Space Odyssey
style of film, with this vast openness of space, this
giant space barge, and even once they land, it's fantastical
and huge on the outside, and then on the inside
they find these gigantic caverns and they have these ancient
gigantic space astronauts that leave the skeleton behind, and it's
all leading you up to the Egg and that moment
where Cain is struck, and from that point on it
moves from all these big giant caverns into these tight
almost claustrophobic, congested crawl through spaces, and you're fooled once
Cain is freed and you think, oh, you know, we've
we've gotten past the immediate danger. They have this very
innimate dinner, it's all cozy, and then boom, chest bursting
scene and we have claustrophobic tight spaces throughout the rest
of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. The chest bursting scene is so shocking
to the characters. Right, we talked about how really Scott
wanted it to be shocking to the actors. Yes, so
he didn't tell what was going to have that high
pressured blood squirt.
Speaker 1: You can tell Veronica Kart right, well.
Speaker 2: Didn't sign up for that, right, she got scored right
in the face. Yeah, that's pretty good impressure. I thinks
the first attempt on the chest purssure didn't work, but
it actually makes.
Speaker 1: It to the screen. It's actually really cool.
Speaker 2: You see that jump in his shirt, but it doesn't
tear through his shirt, but you have the blood that
just starts pooling and then it rips through and everybody
steps back, they're like, what what what's going on here?
Speaker 1: It makes it even better the fact that it doesn't
get all the way out the.
Speaker 2: First I know, and it's got to like.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a small shock that makes
you go, okay, that's all.
Speaker 2: Oh, big shock, right, and then their two shocks to
do anything, and that thing scarries off and now you
got a major problem to deal with.
Speaker 1: So the chest bursting scene is one of the most
iconic moments in all of film history. I agree it
was that the chest Burster, the small Alien was not
inspired by a Geiger painting. It was inspired by this
artist named Francis Bacon, and he did a series of
paintings called Three Studies at the Base of the Crucifixion.
So if you want to go google that three Studies
in the Base of Crucifixion Francis Bacon, you go look
at that. It is the baby alien face for sure.
Speaker 2: What Yes, doesn't seem like it goes together, but okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting that they that they'd
grown up alien and the baby Alien came from different
art wrists.
Speaker 2: That is very interesting.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that makes the Alien Warrior scary,
you know, there's you have the names for these things.
You have the chest Burster yes, you have the face hugger,
you have the Warrior, Yeah, you have the queen. Yeah, okay,
the Warrior has no eyes, okay, which makes it even
more scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the exoskeleton like a bug, the very phallic head.
M m yep.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know you get a good look at that
alien skull in Predator Part two?
Speaker 1: Oh right, you remember that?
Speaker 2: Yes, So Danny Glover is chasing the Predator around futuristic
Los Angeles. He manages to get on the ship, and
the predator has taking trophies.
Speaker 1: One of them is a human skull.
Speaker 2: That you see, and one of them is the alien skull.
I get a good look at how the actual biology
of the alien.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, you know, the Predator is a perfect survivor,
unclouded by conscience or remorse or illusions of morality. Nice.
Speaker 2: We need to talk about Predator sometime, Yes we do. Okay, Okay,
I got something to talk about. I know we're all
over the place. A couple of things, the xenomorph.
Speaker 1: All we know is that there's still no contact with
the colony and that zeno morph may be involved. A
what a zeno morph? Yeah?
Speaker 2: The alien Warrior from Alien Only is on screen four.
Speaker 1: Minutes in the retirement. I believe that four minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It goes back to that idea of what you can't
see as scarier, right. Okay, the slime used when every
time the alien like opens his mouth and jets out
all this disgusting saliva slime, that's ky jelly.
Speaker 1: Okay, a little more on that whole rape thing exactly.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing I found interesting. So when Dan
O'Bannon was writing screenplay for the Original Alien, he came
and sort of had a block. He's like, well, what
is a reason why these guys don't just get a
gun and shoot this thing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, but why don't they just go kill it?
Speaker 1: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: So that's where the acid blood comes into play. Right,
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Even if they had had guns, it would have been
potentially more damaging, as we find out when we get
to aliens, then it would be helpful. And so what
they resort to are these primitive like I mean, it's
a cattle prod, but it looks like a spear right right,
and then you've got fire like the first weapon Prometheus
bringing it down. Yeah, that's the way that they have
to fight it. In the Original Alien, because there are
no guns.
Speaker 2: When they make that first incision on the face Hugger
and it bleeds, it's going to go through the hole,
they have to go and stop it from burning through
the ship.
Speaker 1: Right. Okay, So, unlike most horror movies, the characters and
the actors in this are all old. I mean, you
think about your standard horror movie, it's typically teenage romping
in the you know, you get busy and then you
get killed. Right, That's what happens with most horror movies.
You get busy, then you get killed. Right. But Sigourney
Weaver was the youngest actor among these guys, and she
was twenty nine at the time. And so I think
that is a part of why this movie was successful,
beyond just its appeal as an entertaining movie, is that
the audience could identify with these working Joe older folks. Yeah.
So here's another little tidbit. The actors nearly passed out
from the space suits that they had to wear.
Speaker 2: Yes, when you talk about the hot space suits, like
Tom Scarett, Veronica Cartwright, they were like they kept passing
out because it's so hot, and they're like, ah, you
guys would be fine. It's no problem. Well, really, Scott
put his kids in there, and when his kids passed out,
then they're like, okay, we need to fix the space suits.
Speaker 1: All right. So let's just run through the plot of
both of these movies, because they're so so different but
so the same as well. All right. So in both movies,
you start off with someone awakening to what appears to
be a peaceful situation. Right, they've come out of hypersleep.
In Alien, it was all of the crew members. You
got a page blowing. I don't know why there's wind
on spacecraft, but you've got the pages blowing, but everything
is quiet, and Serene, I was just gonna say, there's
wind on a spacecraft, the same reason why there's like
a waterfall on the spacecraft?
Speaker 2: Right, who knows it looks good on screen?
Speaker 1: Right? And then you've got Ripley in Aliens being woken
from her world. Then bad news. We're not at Earth.
An alien mother has woken us up because there's a
distress signal coming right, right, And bad news on Aliens,
you've been asleep for fifty seven years. You're having these
horrible dreams because you've destroyed this giant cargo ship. You're
now demoted, and then uh oh, turns out we've lost
communication with LV four two six. Then in both scenarios
you've got different characters in each of them going no,
this is a bad idea, we should not do that.
In alien, it was Lambert who was like, maybe we
should just go home, Maybe we should just forget about
this the ship go back and say we didn't find
any right, right, And she was right, right, she was right.
That was the thing. I mean, it was. It was
this great, much deeper message going on the low class workers,
like the guys who were the grunts, who were only
getting a half share, they're the ones with the right idea.
Why don't we freeze Kane. Just freeze him now and
then take him back and then we can fix the
problem when we get someplace.
Speaker 2: We're we're just truckers, right, we're not doctors, right, right?
Speaker 1: Hey.
Speaker 2: Even before that, yes, when Kin gets a thing attached
to his face, they come back to the ship, Yep,
they're like, Ripley, let us in. Ripley's like, what's going on.
He's got a thing on his face. I need to
know what's happening. And Dallas is like open the door.
Ripley just open the freaking door. We need to get
him in here and get him treated. She's like, no,
The answer is no, you know the quarantine rules. If
Ripley would have been able to do her job, the
ship would have been.
Speaker 1: Safe and people would have saved life.
Speaker 2: And Ash is the one one if you'll remember who
pushes the button. I'll let him in, yep, because he
knows what's happening, and he's working against everybody the whole time.
Speaker 1: Right. And then of course in Aliens, when they say Ripley,
we need you to go along as a consultant, she
very wisely says, screw you. I'm not gonna do that.
I'm not gonna do it. And it's only upon the
promise that you're going there to kill it, right, not
to study it, not to bring it back, but to
kill it.
Speaker 2: That and the idea that there's families involved, and that
concerns are because Ripley just lost her daughter, right, which
is another incredible scene in a special mission.
Speaker 1: And okay, let's talk about let's talk about the scenes
that are not in it.
Speaker 2: Go okay, So there's four important scenes that are cut
from the director's cut of Aliens.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, If you get the DVD.
Speaker 2: James Cameron has said this is the best cut of Aliens. Okay, yeah,
so you have some really cool stuff. You see LV
four twenty six, like a workday Okay, there's like guys working,
there's a guy in charge, and there's even kids like
riding bicycles down the hallway. You see families doing stuff.
Speaker 1: At L six. That makes it a little more meaningful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Which the name of their town. I don't know if
you know this, it's called Hadley's Hope.
Speaker 1: Oh I did, I did not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you see them and they're talking and
like one guy's talking to the boss. He's like, hey, boss,
there's this guy and he's found this object and he
wants to know if you'll get credit for this, if
you can get credit. And guy's like, well, okay, just.
Speaker 1: Tell him it's fine. Just go check it out, take
a look at it.
Speaker 2: Well that's Nut's family, Nude's mom, dad, brother, and of
course Newt are on board. They're scavenging, they're running around,
they're doing whatever. They come across the big horsho ship.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're like, sweet, whatever we find is ours,
We're gonna go in check it out right, Nude's dad.
He's the one who comes out. He's got the face
hugger on his face.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. The way that they have it in
the original cut is a very it's weird because here
we've got again, let's compare, you've got two surprise enemies,
right in an alien surprise ash the lowly scientific offer. Right.
Turns out he's the one that's got the secret info
from mother the ship, right, from the company whatever that
and they just call it the company buyl and new Tawny. Yeah. Yeah,
And so he's the one that is the surprise enemy, right,
He's the one that ends up trying to sabotage the
rest of the crew because the most important thing is
bring the alien back. And then again, alien's another surprise enemy,
the guy that you think you can trust, the guy
with that sweet face. No, turns out, not only is
he trying to bring the aliens back, but he's the
guy who sent Newt's family to go investigate. Right. She's
Ripley's confronting him and she's like, I read the report.
It says Burke Carter j need to go investigate, right,
and yeah, he's the one that not only is trying
to sabotage the mission, but he's the one that sent
those people to die in the first place and seems
to have no remorse. Is a mistake, it's a bad call.
It was a bad call.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna nail you to the wall, Burke.
Speaker 1: And so it's I can't believe that she doesn't out
Burke instantaneously, like how did she not already?
Speaker 2: She defends I still don't understand that scene. They're like,
I say, we wasted them, and Ripley's.
Speaker 1: Like, no, we can't waste it. Why not? Who cares?
Right wasting?
Speaker 2: But two other scenes from director's cut, Burke is visiting Ripley.
She's dealing with her PTSD.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, and Ripley.
Speaker 2: Says to Burke, where's my daughter. He's like, well, we
looked her up. Here she is, and he gives her
a picture she died, right, and it's a picture. He
hands her a picture she looks at she starts crying.
She's like, I was supposed to be on for her
tenth birthday whatever.
Speaker 1: That's a picture of.
Speaker 2: Sigourney Weaver's mother, which is pretty cool. Yes, And then
there's a fantastic scene where the Marines set up and
they're like at this they're they're honed in, they're bunker down,
and they're ready for the aliens to start to come.
But they've set up these sentry guns. All they do
is just firefire, fire, fire, firefire, And it is the
coolest scene. I can't believe they cut. It's unbelieve pievably
tense because they're coming, like hordes of aliens are coming
and these guns are set up to shoot like motion detecting.
Speaker 1: Nice. Right. And I had a friend.
Speaker 2: Chris Alexander who is one of our patreons.
Speaker 1: Thank you Chris and Genie.
Speaker 2: Yes, he told us about this when it was shown
on like ABC or something. He's like, they had these
sentry guns and they're firing and it was the coolest thing.
We're like, I don't think you saw the same movie.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, it was, I'm telling you so sorry.
The Ice police come and arrest od.
Speaker 2: He swore up and down about these centry guns, and
when I finally saw it, of course, Chris sorry.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then we've got facing off with the alien, right, yes,
and facing off with the aliens, yes. So facing off
with the alien. Interestingly, we have Ripley doing it all
by yourself. By the end, right, everybody's done in and out,
and it's really with it's in Aliens that she learns
to work with a team, right, Okay, And this goes
back to on the first one. She is learning to
be a leader. Right, She's been kind of overridden and ignored.
Even the space truckers down in the motor room are
kind of laughing at her and dismissing her, right, sure.
And so it's through all of this that she becomes
a leader. But it's in Aliens that she learns to
trust others to help her out, and she learns to
care for little Newt and to trust of all of them. Bishop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great scene where she meets Bishop for
the first time. Right, the knife scenes.
Speaker 1: Stay away from me, Bishop, yeah, the synthetic I prefer
the term artificial person myself. Okay. So then in both
movies we have the surprise stowaway, right, this is the
fourth scene like we had act one, Act two at three,
this is act four where in alien she is she's
done right, She's in the getaway craft. She's just her
and Jonesy in the craft. She's taken off her clothes,
she's done closing log. It's just we're done. And then
there's the surprise still away, and how do we find
out about it? This slow moving hand comes out from
the pipes and the mechanics inside the ship, and it's
this very subtle, like gasp. Right on the other hand,
with Aliens, our surprise stowaway does the complete opposite, and
you think, you're like, everything's okay. Oh, Bishop is chest bursting.
How can this happen? How can Bishop be chest bursting?
He's not really and you're like, oh, it's the tail
and then he's torn in half and his two halves
of his body are cast in different directions. I mean,
you couldn't get less subtle than the stowaway in Aliens.
Speaker 2: Well, the first time I saw Alien, I was like, Okay,
that thing is not gone. We're not done with the story.
Speaker 1: In Aliens, I was like.
Speaker 2: They took off, they barely made it. She risk you
knew they're done. And then that stinger thing comes through
his chest and I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: Okay? So with the original Alien, the movie was supposed
to end with the destruction of the Nostromo right right.
Quick side note Nostromo. You know this, Joseph. Joseph Conrad,
who wrote Heart of Darkness also wrote Nostromo. Do you
know what the name of the town that Nostromo was from. No, Silaco.
Speaker 2: Silaco is the name of the ship in Aliens. Right,
So James Cameron, I love it.
Speaker 1: He sees that Dan O'Bannon or whoever it is, that
his name the ship has done this Joseph Conrad reference,
and so he goes to the reference and finds another
ship name. I thought it was brilliant. By the way.
At the same time this is interesting. At the same
time that Ridley Scott is filming this, Francis Ford Coppola
is filming Apocalypse Now, which is just Heart of Darkness,
which is also by Joseph Conrad. He must have been
he must have been a guy on the scene at
that point. Must have been big in the late seventies.
So anyw the movie Alien was supposed to end with
the destruction of the Nostromo, but really said we need
a fourth act, and he convinced Fox to finance let
him go back and film more stuff. And what he
wanted to happen was the Alien to win it was
supposed to end with the alien biting off Ripley's head,
but the studio said, no freaking way, what Yes, that
is true. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself, how much Alien if you
kind of reversed who the protagonists the antagonists are, it's
kind of like die Hard, right, there's like one man
or alien running through the hallways trying to survive, people
trying to kill him.
Speaker 1: And whoa, I took out this guy. I'm still alive. WHOA,
I took out this guy. I'm still alive. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, Okay,
that's good. I hadn't really thought that maybe the first
connection I ever heard, Like, okay, and speaking of connections
that I believe exists that I have not been able
to very anywhere on Google. Okay, okay, Captain Marvel, Yes
you have a cat. Yes, and the cat's name is Goose.
Nice throwback to top Gun. But the Aliens are frightened
of this cat because it's not really a cat, it's
a flirkin' Yes. I think I mentioned last time that
my dad was sure that Jonesy, the cat in Alien
who is also in Aliens, and that scene where things
start to go bad, the cat is going crazy and
you're like, oh, is the cat going to have a
chest burster? So he was convinced that the alien had
implanted inside the cat. I'm putting forth this theory. Now,
the cat from Captain Marvel is the same cat from
Alien and Aliens, and it was never a cat. It
was always a flurkin. That is why the alien was
not able to implant it at the time that Ripley
was running away in Alien. Okay, yeah, prove me wrong.
Internet proved me wrong. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: Also when you say to yourself, hey, I think those
actors have been in the same movies together and stuff.
Speaker 1: So listen to this.
Speaker 2: Bill Paxton and Michael Bean and Rick Rossovich from Terminator,
we're all in Lords of Discipline. So in Leath the
Weapon two, Jeanette Goldstein and Mark Rolston who plays Drake
and Aliens, they both get killed in like the first
twenty minutes of Leath.
Speaker 1: The Webon two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Agen Johnson right, the other one yeses right, And
then of course Sigourney Weaver and James Cameron get together
again an Avatar. The bad guy in Avatar is played
by Stephen Lang. They originally wanted Michael Bean, but James
Cameron's like, I don't want this to be an Aliens reunion.
Speaker 1: So it was, but it was still a bad guy
from Tombstone because he was Curly Bill, and he was
Curly Bill and Tymestone wait to go nice. Okay, last thought.
They both go out of the airlock, right, both movies,
and with this alien getting shot out of the airlock.
The first one just like the movie, more thoughtful. Yes,
he's moving slow, she's slowly getting into the spacesuit. She's
singing herself a little song about the starlight and star
Wright and I don't know what she's singing, but right,
it's very slow and methodical and thoughtful. And the last one,
just like the movie and Aliens is war intents. I
mean she's about to go out the airlock with the
alien holding on by the crook of her elbow as
it's getting sucked out. Yeah. I mean the end of
the Alien defines the difference in these two movies, thoughtful
versus intent. Okay, love it, thanks, Okay, we're ready to
talk soundtrack.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Aliens for a moment. Okay, Okay,
So during filming, they're over in Pinewood, James Cameron is
an American director taking over a project that British people
revere and they review Ridley Scott yep and James Cameron's
not famous, right, He's done Terminator, but they are not
familiar with it. So his British crew is openly uncooperative
and difficult perspective.
Speaker 1: Right from their perspective, He's demanding and he's bully America.
Know he're trying to make all movies. Apologies to all
of ours making none of that.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm just I'm just vimentation.
Speaker 1: But he did he disregarded the importance of tea time.
James Cameron is like, what the f is tea time?
Speaker 2: We don't stop making our movie at four o'clock for
everybody to have tea. But there's a great story about
how the tea lady, this wonderful little lady who's pushing
her trolley around, Hello traps, would you like some tea?
And he exploded at her, right.
Speaker 1: Almost as good as Dick van Dyke, almost, you know,
like like Bridrick suckson.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the tea lady came around at the wrong
time for an American director who is not used to
this and under pressure trying to get everything, and of
course these guys are happy to take tea time, and
she got both barrels from James Cameron. Just a couple
of other additional things I want to throw in on
the filming process.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know most movies.
Speaker 2: Are filmed kind of out of sequence, but Aliens was
intentionally filmed with this particular scene shot last where we
meet the Marines. That was one of the last shots
film for the movie, because they wanted that camaraderie of
the actors who had been around each other for all
this time.
Speaker 1: So brilliant that and they have that camaraderie. It's just
like the space truck and Alien. You don't doubt for
a second that those guys have been working together and
hunting bugs or doing whatever four years.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, hey, you mentioned that one of the model
makers made this great little painting on the side of
the ship and it's called bug Stompers. Oh yeah, and
it's kind of like a World War two thing where
they would paint their the outside of their ship.
Speaker 1: And he spent all this time.
Speaker 2: He's real proud of it. Bug Stompers. It says we
endanger species nice And he was real proud of it.
He's like, you can't see it. Yeah, you know, you
spend all this time and after it's not on the screen.
Speaker 1: And we failed to talk about the special effects guys
from Aliens. I talked about them from Alien, but we
didn't talk about the special effects guys from Aliens.
Speaker 2: You've got mister stan Winston, stan freakan Winston, holy smokes.
So stan Winston was in charge of all of the
creature stuff, right, And so he's the guy who gives
us the chest burster that can move around and wiggle
and has hands and arms, Like they looked at the
original chest burster and it had like little nubs where
the arms would be like, we're gonna go ahead and
make those arms for our guy. And they gave him
vertebrate where he could like move like a snake.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so good. So they did some amazing
special effects and I'm just going to touch on some
of them here, but they had a running face hugger.
How did they do that? Right? It's amazing. So the
first shot like this is the scene where Burke has
trapped Newt and Ripley inside of the place where the
face huggers were being studied. And has let the face
huggers loose. Right, they wake up and the face hugger
is trying to get them from beside the bed, right,
and then you see them run around. They do this
beautiful thing where she sets off the fire alarm. So
you get this intense, scary scene with flashing red lights.
Brilliant number one. But then they've got this face hugger
who's running. There's no CGI at this point, right, CGI
non existent in this movie. So what they do. They've
got this face hugger that runs along, appears to jump
onto a chair and then jump at your face as
the audience member is their point of view that's jumping in.
So how do they do that? How do they make
it run and jump? So the first shot they shoot
with animatronic moving legs and it gets to a spot.
Then they put a little eyelet in that spot. They
tie a little string to it, and then they put
the face hugger on the chair. And then they shoot
a reverse shot and they take a string and they
ganged the face hugger backwards to the islet, and then
they put the face hugger back on the chair. They
put the string from the camera's perspective, pull it toward
the camera, and then run those three shots sequentially, so
you have it animatronics running reverse shot of it being
pulled backwards so it looks like it's jumping forwards, and
then the point of view shot where it appears to
jump at your face.
Speaker 2: And it's fantastic, it's incredible. You know, we haven't talked
about the Queen. First of all, is a new creation
for Aliens. Yeah, all James Cameron, It's all James Cameron.
Hr Geyer was not involved in the second Aliens. These
are Cameron's drawings and it's a full model. Like you said,
there's no CGI, there's puppeteers. We're talking like, I think
it's six guys to operate this. When I'm watching this,
I'm like, wow, this is like Big Bird on steroids, right,
So it's truly amazing how they made that work.
Speaker 1: Another reverse shot that they did was the shot where
Hicks sticks his sho shotgun in the mouth. He did
he had tried over and over to shove it and
it kept missing them, And James Cameron's like, we'll just
do it in reverse. Put it in there. I'll have
you pull it out and then I'll run it backwards.
Brilliant genius. One of the guys who was a special
effects guy in the movie was Steve Norrington. He would
go on to direct The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which
wasn't that good, But he also directed Marvel's first movie
Blade whoa Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Hadley's hope the power plant where they're running
around If that looks familiar, that turned out to be
excess chemicals in the Batman movie.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, they used that scene to
do to do Batman. I forgot about that. Okay, So
that scene where Bishop gets impaled by the Queen's tail, Yes,
and he spurts all of the same you know milky
stuff that we saw ash few out alien. Yes, that
was yogurt mixed with milk. Uh huh. The problem was
they left it sitting unrefrigerated all day out of frame,
and he actually got sick. Yeah, he got food poisoning
from it. Was up all night sick to his stomach
and had to come in the next day and continue
throwing that stuff in his mouth. He's like, hey, hey, guys,
can we put in the refrigerator this time?
Speaker 2: I know it's supposed to vombit, but can I pretend
this done? One of the scenes we haven't really talked
about is when Sigourney Weaver gets in the Powerloader and
she squares off against the Queen. It's the most fantastic
scene in the movie. Dayleen Hurd says that as a producer,
that's her single best moment of her career when she
watched this in the theater and Sigourney Weaver comes out
in the power Loader and says, get away from her,
you bitch.
Speaker 1: Right, so awesome, and it's you got two different special
effects guys on that one. The mechanical effects were handled
by John Richardson and the creature effects were handled by
Stan Winston, and so you get this awesome end where
they put their two special effects into battle, the Powerloader
and the alien. Two different effects crews develop each of them.
And Powerloader they actually had a guy behind Sigourney Weaver
who was really controlling the Powerloader right right, but basically
she's like he's spooning her the whole time, and so
the guys thought it would be hysterical if they put
a little balloon.
Speaker 2: In his crotch area, and.
Speaker 1: So as they're filming, as they're filming the scene, all
of a sudden, they start pumping this balloon and Sigourney
was like, excuse me, excuse me, uh hello, what are
you doing, sir John John, what's going on? That is hilarious.
I'm giving it up to those guys. That is funny.
Speaker 2: You know, there were companies that contacted the movie studio
because they wanted to buy these powerloaders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the special effects guys.
Speaker 2: Let's talk score interception, okay.
Speaker 1: In Alien, Ridley Scott had wanted to use this guy
named Isao Tomatilla, who was did like a bunch of
from Japan, did a bunch of synthesizer kind of music.
Would have sounded much more like a video game, more
like Space Invaders went a Space Invader's music done done? Yeah.
Alan Ladd Junior said, why don't we go with Jerry
Goldsmith because he's an icon and he's ridiculously tanalented, and
this has got enough space stuff in it. We don't
need video game sound effects, right.
Speaker 2: Jerry Goldsmith did the Grimlins soundtrack among many other things.
Speaker 1: Yes, many other things. And so Goldsmith had this original
main title that was supposed to be beautiful and kind
of almost romantic because he wanted to capture, you know,
the beauty of space on that opening scene. And really
Scott was like, I no, like this, can we do
something else? And so Jerry Goldsmith said, so I rewrote
it to be weird and strange and everybody loved it.
That's great. So okay. Now for Aliens, we have our
friend mister James Horner, who we've spoken about before. We
talked about him in our Brave Heart episode. Detail in
his history if you want to go check out our
Brave Heart versus Gladiator episode. Interesting and ironic that really
Scott did Gladiator. Of course, Now James Cameron is gonna
go use James Horner for Aliens. Yeah, he uses James Horner, right,
and James Horner, I mean Titanic best selling score in history, right, right,
And they bring him in. He's got six weeks to
write the score, which he says, he's okay, a problem,
except for three weeks they don't have a movie to
give him. They're still editing, and he's like, I felt
bad for the editor too, because they keep filming and
they keep bringing him new stuff and he cuts it
all and then they come back in with new stuff
and they're like, Okay, we've got to put all this in.
And this isn't iMovie, guys. This is like Cape and
Razor cutting film. This is hard stuff. So the editor
is struggling to get it done, and until he's done
with his part, James Horner can't do anything because there
are literally thousands of music cues that he's got to write.
Oh yeah, and so he ends up with just a
couple of weeks to write it. He puts all of
this music together based on the way that it's edited,
and then James Cameron and Gail Hurd go in and
re edited everything. And so they come back and he's
like done his best to put it together and they're like,
wait a minute. I thought that this piece of music
went with the scene. And I thought that this piece
of music went with this cue. And he's like, it did,
but you went and changed everything so I and they're like, well,
then just you know, redo it. He goes, guys, I
have an orchestra. I have to write music for them, right,
He goes, if you want to give me four days,
I can do it. I can get this done perfectly
in four days. And Gale Hurt's like, we don't have
that time. He goes, then I can't get it done,
and she goes, well, I guess we'll just have to
find someone who can. And he said, please do go
for it. Please go do that, because if you can
find somebody who can re edit, rewrite, do everything that
you're asking in the time that you're asking, I've got
something to learn from yep. And she said, yeah, we'll
go ahead and use me. Okay. I was just bluffed.
But as bad as that went, obviously James Cameron and
James Horner got back to there. Okay, So I saw
an interview with James Horner.
Speaker 2: He said basically that that situation went so bad he
did not think he would ever work with James Cameron again. Okay,
off the rails, super frustrating. Everybody was mad at each other.
They left, good luck, that's close enough. That's the best
I can do. Sorry, guys, good luck. And when James
Cameron saw Braveheart, He's like, man, that score is so great.
I'm calling Jamie again for my next project, Titanic. And
I guess enough time had passed that Jamie was like, yeah, okay,
let's do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or enough money right right, that's fantastic. I think
I think James Cameron had a little bit bigger budget
for Titanic.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we were ready to talk reception of these
two movies. Yeah, let's go for it, reception and final judgment.
Speaker 1: Okay. So on Alien, okay, somebody came out the door
and went hated it. No, nobody hated it. People were
blown away, of course they were right.
Speaker 2: People fainted during the Chessburster scene, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a Texas movie theater owner who got
sick of people fainting and vomiting in his theater that
he cut the Chessburster seat. So when people would watch
the movie, if you watch Alien and there's no chest pursture, it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. But there's no drama.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, No, so people were like, what what the heck?
Speaker 1: What what is going on here? It's like the Titanic?
What the boat doesn't say.
Speaker 2: It, It's like watching Galaxy of Terror.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The scene where Ash is decapitated, this is not even
the chest pressure scene. He gets hit in the head
with a fire extinguisher so hard they take his head off.
Speaker 1: It's a great scene.
Speaker 2: An usher in London in a movie theater just did
a total face plank hit the deck.
Speaker 1: Oh you know.
Speaker 2: Karaoke, he said, Oh my gosh, here we go. Okay,
So reception for aliens, Like I said, Gayleen Hurd said,
the single greatest moment in her career is attending the
theater in Hollywood and when Ripley comes out in the
paralletter and says get away from her, you bet, and
the whole theater erupts. She's like, this is the greatest
moment of my life.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Individually, when the actors saw the movie for the first time, okay, So,
Michael Bean and Bill Paxton saw this movie together. They
watched it from the projection room. They thought they had
a hit, but they hadn't seen it yet. So Michael
Bean said that when they're watching this that Bill Paxton,
who originally went by Wild Bill Paxton, was going crazy.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: He's like, God, this is am effing roller coaster and
he couldn't contain himself, just going crazy about this. So
and Lance Hendrickson watched it with James Cameron.
Speaker 1: They watched it together.
Speaker 2: When they walked out, Lance Henderson was so stunned by
what he had seen. He said, Jim, I don't even
know what to say to you. I can't even put
into words. So I'm going to write you a letter.
Speaker 1: Yea, And he said.
Speaker 2: James Cameron's like okay, And of course the critics praised it.
So Lance Henderson's like, well, I guess everybody's kind of
said what they said. So he like, six months later
he hadn't turned in the letter. So for six months
James Cameron thought that Lance Henderson hated the movie. No,
and Lance Henderson's like, no, that is not the case.
I think amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. I've got a couple of awesome tidbits
to throw.
Speaker 2: In and then we'll do final judgment on these two.
Give me what you got, Okay, quick shout out to
my wife, Catherine Colbyn, who allows me to do this
awesome podcast. Vasquez has painted on her armor el riasgo
ciampre bibe. My wife's the Spanish teacher. So I call
her and I say, what does that mean? She says,
the risk always lives. Interesting, that's on Vasquez's armor.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, Yeah, when.
Speaker 2: Hudson says the line stop your grinnin and drop your linen, yes,
those are lyrics from an ac DC song. Shake your
leg off of Back in Black flashback to Our Appetite
for Destruction versus Back in Black episodes from last summer.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another one for you. Melissa jo and Hart
is one of the kids at Hadley's Hope and one
of the cut scenes. In one of the cut scenes,
she's running around. She's like one of the little little
kids at Hadley's Hope.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, one more thing.
Speaker 2: In an interview with movie Phone Sigourney Weaver said that
each time one of the actors was to die, she
would send them a.
Speaker 1: Book of flowers.
Speaker 2: Aw right, nice, except when Burt died, she said, a
dead bouquet of flowers.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Okay. I got one last tidbit. Okay, And
this goes to this is this is kind of an
underlying thing. And I started this off saying Alien a
movie about an unwanted pregnancy, right, right. But there it's
literally all over the place, Like their sleeping chamber is
egg shaped. It is if they are being released from
their eggs when they come out of their hyper sleep. Right,
obviously they've got the eggs everywhere. The name of the
computer is Mother, Mother. Right, It's all over the place
in there right. It is unwanted pregnancy, it is eggs,
it is berths, it is rape. But here's my tidbit. Okay,
the voice. We've named all of the actors an alien
except for one. The lady who voiced mother. He is.
The actress is named Helen Horton. Okay, and you will
recognize her from your favorite Superman movie, Superman three. She
was Perry White's helper whenever they were doing the bingo
for the for the trip to the to the Caribbean,
or wherever it was get out of town, same lady.
Speaker 2: That is a fantastic tidbit. Wow, good job. Okay, here
we are final judgment. Where are you between these two?
Speaker 1: D you go first? Talk to me? Hot fun huh Okay.
For the last thirty five years, I have maintained that
Aliens is better than Alien. It is more action packed,
it is more guns, it is more fun, it is
more intense, and it is an amazing, amazing movie. James
Cameron took something that was incredible and turned it and
still kept all of the essence and made it something beautiful,
and so I still think it is one of the
best action movies of all time. Almost as good, but
I have changed my opinion after rewatching these movies and
studying these movies. I think that the pacing, although it's slow,
the pacing that goes from slow to stab and horror,
and the deeper meaning behind everything that's going on and
Alien makes it a better movie. And looking back at
it now, to me, special effects, acting, all of it
holds up better than Aliens. Does I still love Aliens?
Please don't send me hate mail. I still love it,
but I think that the special effects and the story
behind the original Alien movie must win the day.
Speaker 2: Okay, you are smoking, that's right. Okay, it's not especially recently.
Speaker 1: We haven't disagreed on a whole lot of things.
Speaker 2: Okay, I absolutely disagree with you one hundred percent. And
I know that it's kind of the critics opinion that
Alien is the all time greatest horror movie.
Speaker 1: And it is. It's super scary.
Speaker 2: And I told you as a kid, when I realized
what was happening, I knew I had to see this movie.
And when I saw it, it thrilled me and scared
me to death. It is a epically scary science fiction movie.
And you were on the right track just a minute ago.
Aliens was something great. Cameron camera along and made it greater.
Aliens is one of the greatest action movies I have
all time. You said it yourself, without a doubt, maybe
the best action movie of the eighties, die Hard.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's in the conversation.
Speaker 2: Right when you have Marines and you have Aliens, and
you have the Queen, and you have that incredible when
they invade the Hive and it's flamethrowers and guns.
Speaker 1: And grenades and nuclear blasts.
Speaker 2: It's everything a teenage boy wants in a movie. And
I was blown away.
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: For me, hands down, Aliens all the way, although I
love Alien as well. We asked a friend of ours,
John rated the thirty something Movie podcast, to weigh in
on this as well. Here's what he said.
Speaker 3: Hey Jason, Hey d it's John from podcast Full of Kryptonite,
your co host and the thirty something Movie podcast. You
guys had reached out to me and let me know
that you were doing an Alien versus Aliens episode, and
I got to tell you that would be a tough choice.
Those are two I've mentioned on our show several times.
Those are two of my favorite movies growing up. I
was obsessed with Alien when I moved over to England.
England just a hotbed of alien fanatics over there. They
had the Alien War exhibit that I got to go
through as a as a twelve year old kid and
loved it, absolutely loved actually found the poster for it
that I bought. In some ways, Alien and Aliens are
an apple and an orange. Alien is one of the
best sci fi horror movies that exists. Aliens is one
of the best sci fi action movies that exists. And
I think I mentioned you guys several times too. You
know my undying, irrational love for Alien three. I do
love that movie. It's not on the same level as
Alien and Aliens anyway. For me, I think it comes
down to I get to pick Alien between those two.
Love Aliens. Like I said, it's a great action movie,
but just the depth of the horror and the claustrophobia
and the tension, it's a beautiful, dark, grotesque movie. There
is so much to fear about the alien that to
a certain degree, when you throw so many Aliens into
the mix and you can just mow them down with
an automatic weapon.
Speaker 1: It's still cool.
Speaker 3: But for me, I love the straight up horror of
being stack by the lone alien. You have no weapons
or improvised weapons. You are not soldiers. You're on a
mining ship, and you've got what's at your disposal. I
love that it's going to take your ingenuity to try
to stop this thing. For me, it's got to be alien.
It's got to be alien. I look forward to hearing
what you guys have to say. Which one you guys choose,
I don't think either of you are going to be wrong,
regardless of what your choice is. They are both amazing movies,
and so I'm just really excited to really excited to
hear what you guys come up with. All Right, thanks
a lot, guys.
Speaker 1: Okay, so once again John and I agree. I can't
tell you how often I've listened to the thirty something
movie podcast and I've been thinking something and then John
says it, like it is amazing to me how our
minds work in the same way. And I want to
say this one more thing about what aliens did. This
was the best part for me. Right, it's the little
radar that they have for the aliens. Right, So that
was in alien. I didn't even remember it being an
alien but they had the an Alien, but it was
just one beep and she's freaking out. Veronica Cartwright Lambert
is freaking out because oh my gosh, she's gonna doorsy.
It's freaking out right, And that's such an intense scene.
And James Cameron took it and amplified it, put Bill
Paxson in the going They're all overs man six meters
man five, Oh so good, he's turning that screw. I
love it. I love it, And I had a point
that I've forgotten nowrap Your point is Aliens is freaking awesome.
I don't want you to think that I don't love Aliens.
And I'll watch Aliens again and again, and I'll watch
Alien again and again. But when we first started talking
about this, we said Aliens versus Terminator to the best
of the sequels, right where the sequel was better than
the original. And so that was totally my opinion before.
It was only upon coming back to it and watching
it again. So I encourage everybody out there who has
the same opinion as Jason, go back and watch both
of them. Now that you've heard the history, now that
you've heard the stories behind it, go back and watch
both of these movies and hit us up on Facebook
and tell us what do you think which is the best.
Speaker 2: Please weigh in on Facebook. We can't wait to hear
what you have to say on this. Come back next week,
Terminator one, Terminator two, More Cameron Full Throttle Action and Horror.
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