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Speaker 1: Hello Shirley fans, and welcome back to the Sureley You

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Can't Be Serious podcast. We are here today on our

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second installment of Alien Versus Aliens, and normally we're ahead

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of the game. Normally we have several episodes in the

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queue that we have recorded, but we had summer vacation

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and we are doing things fast and on the fly,

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and we made some mistakes in the last episode, and

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we forgot some things in the last episode. We forgot

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that it was the thirty fifth anniversary of Freaking the

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release of Aliens, that last week, the thirty fifth anniversary,

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the thirty fifth anniversary. How do I forget that?

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic. So we're recording this July twenty first. Yes,

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this was the number one movie in America in nineteen

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eighty six, on this day, thirty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. I also forgot to mention when we were talking

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about Bill Paxton, Bill Paxton number one. His great great grandfather,

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Elijah Franklin Paxton, was a general in the Confederate Army

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during the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: Stop your grinnin and drop your Lennen.

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Speaker 1: This is even better. Bill Paxton was in the crowd

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when President John F. Kennedy came out of the Hotel

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Texas in Fort Worth on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three,

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the day he was assassinated. There are photographs of an

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eight year old Bill Paxton being lifted above the crowd

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on display at the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's fantastic. I know it's crazy, right, that is insane.

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Speaker 1: Yes. So one other mistake that I made was I

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said that the I said that, what's his name, Yafit Koto.

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I said that Yaffitkoto's real name was Parker. That was

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his character's name. His real name was Frederick. He took

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his dad's name, his mom Comfred. I'm a Comfred. But

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what do we do? I mean, what do we do?

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What are we going to do with the last episode

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is already out there?

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Speaker 2: I say, we take off and we knew the entire

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site from Morbid all right?

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Speaker 1: We wasted no offense, no none, take it? Okay, fantastic.

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Let's dive back in, Yeah, back in for production of

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both Alien and Aliens. Let's go back to Alien, all right.

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Speaker 2: So Alien was filmed in London at Pinewood Studios, which

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is the same spot that Aliens is later filmed directed

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by Sir Rely Scott.

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Speaker 1: Yep, same place that they were shooting Superman one and two.

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Speaker 2: I think we shot Star Wars there too, if I'm

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not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: It was a popular place to be shooting, some amazing place,

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big place.

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Speaker 2: Hey. A couple of notes on some actors that I

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wanted to throw in here that I forgot real quick.

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Helen Muran auditioned for a role in Alien, didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: Wow, how about that she's too hot back then? Gosh,

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she was major. She was a really good looking back then.

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Speaker 2: And apparently we can thank Warren Batty for Sigourney Weavers Discovery.

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Really yeah, he saw her on stage and recommended.

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Speaker 1: Her to producer David Guyler.

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Speaker 2: Wow, probably saw her and thought rare, who's that?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk special effects?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So we've got two different groups of guys that

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did special effects on these two movies. I think I

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mentioned last time that the guys responsible for kind of

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the design of the ship were Ron Cobb and Chris Foss.

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So Ron Cobb had been a Disney animator at like

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age seventeen. I ended up getting laid off on that

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got a job doing Dark Star, which is where he

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met Dan O'Bannon. He ended up working on Star Wars,

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he worked on Raiders, He worked on Conan, Back to

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the Future, the Abyss Total recall. I mean, he became

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a major hero in the special effects world. Yep. He

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had been an artist and a cartoonist, like I said,

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but like he was starving. He was a starvin artist.

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He had even done the album cover for Jefferson Airplane album,

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which is how Yeah, that's how he got the job

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on Darkstar. Okay, Yeah, they called him up and they're like, okay,

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we kind of wanted we need you to design a

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spaceship for us called the Dark Star, and he drew

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it on a napkin at the pancake house. Well. Sure,

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And so when O'Bannon goes over to do Dune with

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Porto Rowski, he brings over that guy. They hit it

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off off, but as we know, Dune fails. But then

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he goes back. He designed you know in Star Wars,

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the Hammerhead, the guy with like the kind of car, Yeah,

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he designed that. He's the guy that came up with

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that in the canteena scene that's fantastic. And he helped

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Spielberg right Night Sky Night Skies, which was supposed to

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be a Close Encounter sequel but kind of got split

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into e T and Pultercrest. Okay Stielberg. Later on Okay,

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Fantastic and Back to the Future, he was listed as

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the DeLorean time travel consultant. I don't know what that means, Okay.

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And then the other guy that helped out was Chris Foss.

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He was the guy who did the original black and

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white illustrations for the Joy of Sex, the very hairy

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black and white drawings for the Joy of Sex from

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nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: Flash forward to our Manscape episode wherever that appears.

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Speaker 1: We should do that now, right if you look like

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the guy a Joy of Sex book from nineteen seventy two,

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Speaker 2: Is easier to see a draft on the prairie than

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it is to see a draft than John exactly.

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Speaker 2: Whack it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So those two guys were the guys who made

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the space ships, but they brought on Roger Christian, who

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was the guy from Star Wars, who was the genius

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who said make it dirty. Right. He's the guy who

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was responsible for the Millennium Falcon looking dirty, and he's

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the guy for making the guy who made the no

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Strummo look like a space truck. Right.

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Speaker 2: The used universe philosophy, and it's that's one idea that

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really Scott carried over to Blade Runner.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely so. Roger Christian was like the third

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guy hired to do Star Wars. He ended up doing

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second unit directing second unit for Return of the Jedi,

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But he said it was a symbiosis for him and

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Dan and Ron all together. He said, if it would

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have just been Dan, it would look like Dark Star.

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If it had just been Raun, it looked like Star Trek.

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But what he did was make you believe you were

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on a space truck that had been traveling for years

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and years in space.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Side note, he directed The Cinder, which happens to be

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Quentin Tarantino's favorite horror movie, The Cinder. Yeah, okay, so

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that covers the guys who did this special effects for Alien.

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One of the things I want to mention nuts.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd call the special effects or not,

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but there's actually a scene where Ash is doing an

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autopsy on the face hug. Yeah, okay, and it looks

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incredibly real. Yes, well, that's because they were using real

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oysters and a sheep kidney in this model.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't like an inside one of those horseshoe crabs, right,

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didn't they take a horseshoe crab and put it in?

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Speaker 2: I think they combined several different I know they used

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the sheep kidney and they used oysters. Yeah, but because

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the lights were so strong, they had to move quickly

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during filming, and that sucker started to stink.

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Speaker 1: Oh reps. Oh nasty. But he had his face right

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up in there too, Yeah, exactly. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things I want to talk about

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is the ship. The actual alien vessel. Yeah, I don't

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think it has a name, just that horseshoe looking spacecraft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing that was supposed to be a pyramid

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but then they changed it up.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so when they investigate what John Hurt goes on

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board and they're looking around, they find what the fans

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called the space jockey.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, the old Yeah, the old carcass of the

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guy who had had his chest burst from long ago.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's like this bigger bipedal humanoid looking thing. And

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you actually get kind of the backstory on this. Have

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you ever seen Prometheus?

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Speaker 1: I have not seen Prometheus, But anyway, after Alioats wore,

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I was just like, I'm just done with this franchise.

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I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Well, so that ship, the horseshoe ship, James Cameron wanted

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can't find you know, these different models, and nobody knows

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where it is. Well, somebody finally speaks up and they're like, well,

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I think it's over it in Jimmy's backyard.

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Speaker 1: Like by his driveway.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy, Well, just the guy, I mean one of the guys,

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one of the guys from the movie Alien. Yeah, I

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mean somebody had it and it was sitting back just

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kind of rusting in their driveway.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow. So the model makers.

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Speaker 2: From Aliens went over to his house retrieved it. Now

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he can weed eat or whatever. They took it back,

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they cleaned it up, and they used the exact same

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one for Aliens.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: I watched the special edition of Aliens, which Jim Cameron

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calls the definitive edition. And I know we'll talk about

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the extra scenes here in a minute, but I don't know,

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do we get a good look at that ship in

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the Okay? Really that's the special edition because you do

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see the ship. Yeah, and that's usually actually see nudes

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family discover that ship.

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Speaker 1: Wow you don't know this? Yeah, no, so I watched

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the original version. I didn't watch the extended cut, so

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like that scene is not in the original cut.

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Speaker 2: We will talk about the awesome, amazing additional scenes that

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Speaker 1: Through special effects. Okay, So talking about that gigantic ship,

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what he ended up doing was putting little kids inside

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the space suits. As a matter of fact, he put

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his own kids, like his two sons. Really Scott's boys, right, yeah, really,

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Scott's sons are two of the astronauts and a cinematographer.

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His son is the other astronaut. To make the space

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jockey look bigger, and to make the big cavernous kind

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of you know, biomechanical thing that they're inside looked bigger,

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he had little kids inside of those. That's fantastic. That's

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a good idea. And as they were lighting the place,

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you know that you've got the set designer. And he

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starts flipping on the lights and he only hits two

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and Ridley Scott goes, stop, we are not putting any

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more lights in this. He's like, Ridley, got I've got

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like thirteen more lights to light this place up. We

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need to see all. He's like, no, this needs to

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be dark. It needs to be mysterious. He goes, you're

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never going to see it, he goes it will work,

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and it was the most effective use of mystery of

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your just catching hints of what's going on, and he's

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letting your imagination do all of the rest.

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Speaker 2: It's the Jaws theory, right, right. We don't get a

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good look at the alien. We really don't get a

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great look at the Shark and Jaws, right, which is

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interesting because really Scott based Alien on a couple of movies, right,

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So he wanted to feel like Jaws in space. Yeah,

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which Jaws in nineteen seventy five film in nineteen seventy nine.

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it to kind of feel like Rosemary's Baby, Okay, and

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then he wanted the shock factor and the death feel

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to be like Texas Chainsaw masking.

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Speaker 1: How about that? Oh yeah, that's great. That is great.

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they're watching what's going on, because we can, as the

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audience can accept hey, we've got this grainy image on

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the TV screen. So the special effects don't have to

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be perfect because it's on this grainy TV screen that

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because he gives us their point of view as they're

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going through intercuts. It all perfectly, so beautifully filmed. Awesome job.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're bouncing around here, but I want to go

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on that thought as well. So you mentioned the TV

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camera the POV version, and I remember when I first

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saw Alien. Each one of the Marines has a video

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camera on its shoulder, yes, and Gorman, Burke and Ripley

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are watching back in the APV. I remember watching this

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going what is happening?

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Speaker 1: I can't get a good look.

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and Hudson's in the camera going.

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Speaker 1: Lot's get the heck out of here.

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Speaker 2: They got the sarge man, you know, switching people, and

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it's so good.

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Speaker 1: It is what these movies are all about. It is

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the mystery and terror of the unknown, right like the

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alien is like the in literature, he is the other.

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He is that unknown. We're afraid of this thing. We

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don't know what it is, and it's that unknown that

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makes us scared and by leaving things in the dark

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and leaving things where you're just hearing what's going on

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instead of being able to see them. He captures that

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moment of the unknown for the audience. Particularly in Aliens.

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the nest. Yeah you as the audience member, No, they're walking.

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It's like a hive, right right. You get that one

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great shot where the alien jumped on that one character

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back boom, and then it jumps to the TV and

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it's mass chaos.

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Speaker 1: Yep, super scary. Okay, so let's jump back to Alien

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all right. So at the beginning of this movie, you

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have this very Kubrick two thousand and one Space Odyssey

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style of film, with this vast openness of space, this

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giant space barge, and even once they land, it's fantastical

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and huge on the outside, and then on the inside

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they find these gigantic caverns and they have these ancient

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gigantic space astronauts that leave the skeleton behind, and it's

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all leading you up to the Egg and that moment

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where Cain is struck, and from that point on it

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moves from all these big giant caverns into these tight

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almost claustrophobic, congested crawl through spaces, and you're fooled once

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Cain is freed and you think, oh, you know, we've

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we've gotten past the immediate danger. They have this very

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innimate dinner, it's all cozy, and then boom, chest bursting

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scene and we have claustrophobic tight spaces throughout the rest

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. The chest bursting scene is so shocking

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to the characters. Right, we talked about how really Scott

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he didn't tell what was going to have that high

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pressured blood squirt.

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Speaker 1: You can tell Veronica Kart right, well.

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Speaker 2: Didn't sign up for that, right, she got scored right

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in the face. Yeah, that's pretty good impressure. I thinks

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the first attempt on the chest purssure didn't work, but

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it actually makes.

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Speaker 1: It to the screen. It's actually really cool.

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Speaker 2: You see that jump in his shirt, but it doesn't

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tear through his shirt, but you have the blood that

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just starts pooling and then it rips through and everybody

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steps back, they're like, what what what's going on here?

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Speaker 1: It makes it even better the fact that it doesn't

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get all the way out the.

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Speaker 2: First I know, and it's got to like.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a small shock that makes

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you go, okay, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Oh, big shock, right, and then their two shocks to

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do anything, and that thing scarries off and now you

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got a major problem to deal with.

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Speaker 1: So the chest bursting scene is one of the most

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iconic moments in all of film history. I agree it

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was that the chest Burster, the small Alien was not

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inspired by a Geiger painting. It was inspired by this

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artist named Francis Bacon, and he did a series of

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paintings called Three Studies at the Base of the Crucifixion.

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So if you want to go google that three Studies

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in the Base of Crucifixion Francis Bacon, you go look

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at that. It is the baby alien face for sure.

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Speaker 2: What Yes, doesn't seem like it goes together, but okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's interesting that they that they'd

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grown up alien and the baby Alien came from different

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art wrists.

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Speaker 2: That is very interesting.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that makes the Alien Warrior scary,

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you know, there's you have the names for these things.

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you have the Warrior, Yeah, you have the queen. Yeah, okay,

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the Warrior has no eyes, okay, which makes it even

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more scary. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the exoskeleton like a bug, the very phallic head.

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M m yep.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you know you get a good look at that

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alien skull in Predator Part two?

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Speaker 1: Oh right, you remember that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So Danny Glover is chasing the Predator around futuristic

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Los Angeles. He manages to get on the ship, and

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the predator has taking trophies.

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Speaker 1: One of them is a human skull.

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Speaker 2: That you see, and one of them is the alien skull.

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I get a good look at how the actual biology

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of the alien.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, you know, the Predator is a perfect survivor,

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unclouded by conscience or remorse or illusions of morality. Nice.

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Speaker 2: We need to talk about Predator sometime, Yes we do. Okay, Okay,

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I got something to talk about. I know we're all

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over the place. A couple of things, the xenomorph.

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Speaker 1: All we know is that there's still no contact with

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the colony and that zeno morph may be involved. A

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what a zeno morph? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The alien Warrior from Alien Only is on screen four.

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Speaker 1: Minutes in the retirement. I believe that four minutes. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It goes back to that idea of what you can't

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see as scarier, right. Okay, the slime used when every

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time the alien like opens his mouth and jets out

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all this disgusting saliva slime, that's ky jelly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a little more on that whole rape thing exactly.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing I found interesting. So when Dan

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O'Bannon was writing screenplay for the Original Alien, he came

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and sort of had a block. He's like, well, what

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is a reason why these guys don't just get a

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gun and shoot this thing?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, but why don't they just go kill it?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: So that's where the acid blood comes into play. Right,

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It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Even if they had had guns, it would have been

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potentially more damaging, as we find out when we get

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to aliens, then it would be helpful. And so what

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they resort to are these primitive like I mean, it's

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a cattle prod, but it looks like a spear right right,

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and then you've got fire like the first weapon Prometheus

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bringing it down. Yeah, that's the way that they have

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to fight it. In the Original Alien, because there are

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no guns.

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Speaker 2: When they make that first incision on the face Hugger

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and it bleeds, it's going to go through the hole,

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they have to go and stop it from burning through

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the ship.

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Speaker 1: Right. Okay, So, unlike most horror movies, the characters and

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the actors in this are all old. I mean, you

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think about your standard horror movie, it's typically teenage romping

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in the you know, you get busy and then you

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get killed. Right, That's what happens with most horror movies.

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You get busy, then you get killed. Right. But Sigourney

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Weaver was the youngest actor among these guys, and she

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was twenty nine at the time. And so I think

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that is a part of why this movie was successful,

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beyond just its appeal as an entertaining movie, is that

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the audience could identify with these working Joe older folks. Yeah.

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So here's another little tidbit. The actors nearly passed out

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from the space suits that they had to wear.

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Speaker 2: Yes, when you talk about the hot space suits, like

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Tom Scarett, Veronica Cartwright, they were like they kept passing

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out because it's so hot, and they're like, ah, you

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guys would be fine. It's no problem. Well, really, Scott

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put his kids in there, and when his kids passed out,

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then they're like, okay, we need to fix the space suits.

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Speaker 1: All right. So let's just run through the plot of

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both of these movies, because they're so so different but

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so the same as well. All right. So in both movies,

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you start off with someone awakening to what appears to

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be a peaceful situation. Right, they've come out of hypersleep.

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In Alien, it was all of the crew members. You

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got a page blowing. I don't know why there's wind

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on spacecraft, but you've got the pages blowing, but everything

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is quiet, and Serene, I was just gonna say, there's

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wind on a spacecraft, the same reason why there's like

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a waterfall on the spacecraft?

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Speaker 2: Right, who knows it looks good on screen?

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Speaker 1: Right? And then you've got Ripley in Aliens being woken

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from her world. Then bad news. We're not at Earth.

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An alien mother has woken us up because there's a

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distress signal coming right, right, And bad news on Aliens,

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you've been asleep for fifty seven years. You're having these

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horrible dreams because you've destroyed this giant cargo ship. You're

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now demoted, and then uh oh, turns out we've lost

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communication with LV four two six. Then in both scenarios

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you've got different characters in each of them going no,

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this is a bad idea, we should not do that.

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should just go home, Maybe we should just forget about

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this the ship go back and say we didn't find

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any right, right, And she was right, right, she was right.

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That was the thing. I mean, it was. It was

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this great, much deeper message going on the low class workers,

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like the guys who were the grunts, who were only

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getting a half share, they're the ones with the right idea.

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Why don't we freeze Kane. Just freeze him now and

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then take him back and then we can fix the

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problem when we get someplace.

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Speaker 2: We're we're just truckers, right, we're not doctors, right, right?

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 2: Even before that, yes, when Kin gets a thing attached

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to his face, they come back to the ship, Yep,

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they're like, Ripley, let us in. Ripley's like, what's going on.

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He's got a thing on his face. I need to

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know what's happening. And Dallas is like open the door.

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Ripley just open the freaking door. We need to get

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him in here and get him treated. She's like, no,

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The answer is no, you know the quarantine rules. If

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Ripley would have been able to do her job, the

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ship would have been.

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Speaker 1: Safe and people would have saved life.

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Speaker 2: And Ash is the one one if you'll remember who

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pushes the button. I'll let him in, yep, because he

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knows what's happening, and he's working against everybody the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Right. And then of course in Aliens, when they say Ripley,

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we need you to go along as a consultant, she

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very wisely says, screw you. I'm not gonna do that.

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I'm not gonna do it. And it's only upon the

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promise that you're going there to kill it, right, not

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to study it, not to bring it back, but to

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kill it.

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Speaker 2: That and the idea that there's families involved, and that

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concerns are because Ripley just lost her daughter, right, which

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is another incredible scene in a special mission.

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Speaker 1: And okay, let's talk about let's talk about the scenes

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that are not in it.

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Speaker 2: Go okay, So there's four important scenes that are cut

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from the director's cut of Aliens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, If you get the DVD.

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so you have some really cool stuff. You see LV

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four twenty six, like a workday Okay, there's like guys working,

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there's a guy in charge, and there's even kids like

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riding bicycles down the hallway. You see families doing stuff.

469
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Speaker 1: At L six. That makes it a little more meaningful. Yeah.

470
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: Which the name of their town. I don't know if

471
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,799
you know this, it's called Hadley's Hope.

472
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:07,799
Speaker 1: Oh I did, I did not?

473
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you see them and they're talking and

474
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,200
like one guy's talking to the boss. He's like, hey, boss,

475
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,880
there's this guy and he's found this object and he

476
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,400
wants to know if you'll get credit for this, if

477
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,039
you can get credit. And guy's like, well, okay, just.

478
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Speaker 1: Tell him it's fine. Just go check it out, take

479
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a look at it.

480
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,599
Speaker 2: Well that's Nut's family, Nude's mom, dad, brother, and of

481
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:32,240
course Newt are on board. They're scavenging, they're running around,

482
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,079
they're doing whatever. They come across the big horsho ship.

483
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Speaker 1: Wow.

484
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:39,039
Speaker 2: Okay, so they're like, sweet, whatever we find is ours,

485
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,160
We're gonna go in check it out right, Nude's dad.

486
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:44,039
He's the one who comes out. He's got the face

487
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:44,920
hugger on his face.

488
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,279
Speaker 1: This is interesting. The way that they have it in

489
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:51,640
the original cut is a very it's weird because here

490
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,519
we've got again, let's compare, you've got two surprise enemies,

491
00:23:55,599 --> 00:24:01,160
right in an alien surprise ash the lowly scientific offer. Right.

492
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,160
Turns out he's the one that's got the secret info

493
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,599
from mother the ship, right, from the company whatever that

494
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,519
and they just call it the company buyl and new Tawny. Yeah. Yeah,

495
00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,960
And so he's the one that is the surprise enemy, right,

496
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,720
He's the one that ends up trying to sabotage the

497
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,000
rest of the crew because the most important thing is

498
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,960
bring the alien back. And then again, alien's another surprise enemy,

499
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,400
the guy that you think you can trust, the guy

500
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with that sweet face. No, turns out, not only is

501
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,839
he trying to bring the aliens back, but he's the

502
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:38,000
guy who sent Newt's family to go investigate. Right. She's

503
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,240
Ripley's confronting him and she's like, I read the report.

504
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,039
It says Burke Carter j need to go investigate, right,

505
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:47,519
and yeah, he's the one that not only is trying

506
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,039
to sabotage the mission, but he's the one that sent

507
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,559
those people to die in the first place and seems

508
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,640
to have no remorse. Is a mistake, it's a bad call.

509
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:57,720
It was a bad call.

510
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna nail you to the wall, Burke.

511
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,559
Speaker 1: And so it's I can't believe that she doesn't out

512
00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:06,519
Burke instantaneously, like how did she not already?

513
00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 2: She defends I still don't understand that scene. They're like,

514
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,039
I say, we wasted them, and Ripley's.

515
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: Like, no, we can't waste it. Why not? Who cares?

516
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:15,960
Right wasting?

517
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: But two other scenes from director's cut, Burke is visiting Ripley.

518
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She's dealing with her PTSD.

519
00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: Okay, right, and Ripley.

520
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:26,079
Speaker 2: Says to Burke, where's my daughter. He's like, well, we

521
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,759
looked her up. Here she is, and he gives her

522
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,839
a picture she died, right, and it's a picture. He

523
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,000
hands her a picture she looks at she starts crying.

524
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She's like, I was supposed to be on for her

525
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,920
tenth birthday whatever.

526
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Speaker 1: That's a picture of.

527
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,839
Speaker 2: Sigourney Weaver's mother, which is pretty cool. Yes, And then

528
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:45,000
there's a fantastic scene where the Marines set up and

529
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,559
they're like at this they're they're honed in, they're bunker down,

530
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,720
and they're ready for the aliens to start to come.

531
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:53,440
But they've set up these sentry guns. All they do

532
00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:57,160
is just firefire, fire, fire, firefire, And it is the

533
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,440
coolest scene. I can't believe they cut. It's unbelieve pievably

534
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,319
tense because they're coming, like hordes of aliens are coming

535
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,119
and these guns are set up to shoot like motion detecting.

536
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,519
Speaker 1: Nice. Right. And I had a friend.

537
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,599
Speaker 2: Chris Alexander who is one of our patreons.

538
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: Thank you Chris and Genie.

539
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: Yes, he told us about this when it was shown

540
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,640
on like ABC or something. He's like, they had these

541
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,799
sentry guns and they're firing and it was the coolest thing.

542
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,920
We're like, I don't think you saw the same movie.

543
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,279
Speaker 1: He's like, no, it was, I'm telling you so sorry.

544
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,960
The Ice police come and arrest od.

545
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,319
Speaker 2: He swore up and down about these centry guns, and

546
00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:36,599
when I finally saw it, of course, Chris sorry.

547
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: Okay. So then we've got facing off with the alien, right, yes,

548
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,640
and facing off with the aliens, yes. So facing off

549
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,559
with the alien. Interestingly, we have Ripley doing it all

550
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,440
by yourself. By the end, right, everybody's done in and out,

551
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,039
and it's really with it's in Aliens that she learns

552
00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,440
to work with a team, right, Okay, And this goes

553
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,519
back to on the first one. She is learning to

554
00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:06,640
be a leader. Right, She's been kind of overridden and ignored.

555
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,680
Even the space truckers down in the motor room are

556
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:13,640
kind of laughing at her and dismissing her, right, sure.

557
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,160
And so it's through all of this that she becomes

558
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200
a leader. But it's in Aliens that she learns to

559
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:22,559
trust others to help her out, and she learns to

560
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,880
care for little Newt and to trust of all of them. Bishop.

561
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great scene where she meets Bishop for

562
00:27:30,079 --> 00:27:32,240
the first time. Right, the knife scenes.

563
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,799
Speaker 1: Stay away from me, Bishop, yeah, the synthetic I prefer

564
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:39,480
the term artificial person myself. Okay. So then in both

565
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:43,119
movies we have the surprise stowaway, right, this is the

566
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,680
fourth scene like we had act one, Act two at three,

567
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,079
this is act four where in alien she is she's

568
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,759
done right, She's in the getaway craft. She's just her

569
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,359
and Jonesy in the craft. She's taken off her clothes,

570
00:27:59,519 --> 00:28:03,440
she's done closing log. It's just we're done. And then

571
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,599
there's the surprise still away, and how do we find

572
00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:11,160
out about it? This slow moving hand comes out from

573
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,200
the pipes and the mechanics inside the ship, and it's

574
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,839
this very subtle, like gasp. Right on the other hand,

575
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:26,279
with Aliens, our surprise stowaway does the complete opposite, and

576
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,640
you think, you're like, everything's okay. Oh, Bishop is chest bursting.

577
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,000
How can this happen? How can Bishop be chest bursting?

578
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,440
He's not really and you're like, oh, it's the tail

579
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,480
and then he's torn in half and his two halves

580
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,440
of his body are cast in different directions. I mean,

581
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,960
you couldn't get less subtle than the stowaway in Aliens.

582
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,319
Speaker 2: Well, the first time I saw Alien, I was like, Okay,

583
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,799
that thing is not gone. We're not done with the story.

584
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,519
Speaker 1: In Aliens, I was like.

585
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: They took off, they barely made it. She risk you

586
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,599
knew they're done. And then that stinger thing comes through

587
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,240
his chest and I was like, what is going on here?

588
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Okay? So with the original Alien, the movie was supposed

589
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,960
to end with the destruction of the Nostromo right right.

590
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,640
Quick side note Nostromo. You know this, Joseph. Joseph Conrad,

591
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,519
who wrote Heart of Darkness also wrote Nostromo. Do you

592
00:29:20,599 --> 00:29:25,279
know what the name of the town that Nostromo was from. No, Silaco.

593
00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: Silaco is the name of the ship in Aliens. Right,

594
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:31,519
So James Cameron, I love it.

595
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: He sees that Dan O'Bannon or whoever it is, that

596
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,480
his name the ship has done this Joseph Conrad reference,

597
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,079
and so he goes to the reference and finds another

598
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
ship name. I thought it was brilliant. By the way.

599
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,319
At the same time this is interesting. At the same

600
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,240
time that Ridley Scott is filming this, Francis Ford Coppola

601
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,359
is filming Apocalypse Now, which is just Heart of Darkness,

602
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,680
which is also by Joseph Conrad. He must have been

603
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,240
he must have been a guy on the scene at

604
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,480
that point. Must have been big in the late seventies.

605
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:03,079
So anyw the movie Alien was supposed to end with

606
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,160
the destruction of the Nostromo, but really said we need

607
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,519
a fourth act, and he convinced Fox to finance let

608
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,799
him go back and film more stuff. And what he

609
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,440
wanted to happen was the Alien to win it was

610
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,160
supposed to end with the alien biting off Ripley's head,

611
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,279
but the studio said, no freaking way, what Yes, that

612
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,720
is true. That's interesting.

613
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: I was thinking to myself, how much Alien if you

614
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,960
kind of reversed who the protagonists the antagonists are, it's

615
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,039
kind of like die Hard, right, there's like one man

616
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,920
or alien running through the hallways trying to survive, people

617
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:42,799
trying to kill him.

618
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: And whoa, I took out this guy. I'm still alive. WHOA,

619
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,079
I took out this guy. I'm still alive. Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, Okay,

620
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,319
that's good. I hadn't really thought that maybe the first

621
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,680
connection I ever heard, Like, okay, and speaking of connections

622
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,079
that I believe exists that I have not been able

623
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,279
to very anywhere on Google. Okay, okay, Captain Marvel, Yes

624
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,839
you have a cat. Yes, and the cat's name is Goose.

625
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:13,359
Nice throwback to top Gun. But the Aliens are frightened

626
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,200
of this cat because it's not really a cat, it's

627
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,480
a flirkin' Yes. I think I mentioned last time that

628
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:23,680
my dad was sure that Jonesy, the cat in Alien

629
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,200
who is also in Aliens, and that scene where things

630
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,599
start to go bad, the cat is going crazy and

631
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,279
you're like, oh, is the cat going to have a

632
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:34,440
chest burster? So he was convinced that the alien had

633
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,440
implanted inside the cat. I'm putting forth this theory. Now,

634
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:42,920
the cat from Captain Marvel is the same cat from

635
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,319
Alien and Aliens, and it was never a cat. It

636
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,480
was always a flurkin. That is why the alien was

637
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:54,119
not able to implant it at the time that Ripley

638
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,079
was running away in Alien. Okay, yeah, prove me wrong.

639
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,119
Internet proved me wrong. Okay, Okay.

640
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: Also when you say to yourself, hey, I think those

641
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,480
actors have been in the same movies together and stuff.

642
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: So listen to this.

643
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: Bill Paxton and Michael Bean and Rick Rossovich from Terminator,

644
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,319
we're all in Lords of Discipline. So in Leath the

645
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:18,680
Weapon two, Jeanette Goldstein and Mark Rolston who plays Drake

646
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:21,359
and Aliens, they both get killed in like the first

647
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,559
twenty minutes of Leath.

648
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: The Webon two.

649
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Agen Johnson right, the other one yeses right, And

650
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,640
then of course Sigourney Weaver and James Cameron get together

651
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,680
again an Avatar. The bad guy in Avatar is played

652
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,759
by Stephen Lang. They originally wanted Michael Bean, but James

653
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,960
Cameron's like, I don't want this to be an Aliens reunion.

654
00:32:41,119 --> 00:32:42,799
Speaker 1: So it was, but it was still a bad guy

655
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,759
from Tombstone because he was Curly Bill, and he was

656
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,720
Curly Bill and Tymestone wait to go nice. Okay, last thought.

657
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,920
They both go out of the airlock, right, both movies,

658
00:32:53,319 --> 00:32:56,759
and with this alien getting shot out of the airlock.

659
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,799
The first one just like the movie, more thoughtful. Yes,

660
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,160
he's moving slow, she's slowly getting into the spacesuit. She's

661
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,440
singing herself a little song about the starlight and star

662
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,359
Wright and I don't know what she's singing, but right,

663
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,119
it's very slow and methodical and thoughtful. And the last one,

664
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,160
just like the movie and Aliens is war intents. I

665
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,480
mean she's about to go out the airlock with the

666
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:27,079
alien holding on by the crook of her elbow as

667
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,799
it's getting sucked out. Yeah. I mean the end of

668
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,440
the Alien defines the difference in these two movies, thoughtful

669
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:40,319
versus intent. Okay, love it, thanks, Okay, we're ready to

670
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:41,000
talk soundtrack.

671
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,559
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Aliens for a moment. Okay, Okay,

672
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,559
So during filming, they're over in Pinewood, James Cameron is

673
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:52,240
an American director taking over a project that British people

674
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,960
revere and they review Ridley Scott yep and James Cameron's

675
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:58,920
not famous, right, He's done Terminator, but they are not

676
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,599
familiar with it. So his British crew is openly uncooperative

677
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:05,240
and difficult perspective.

678
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:10,280
Speaker 1: Right from their perspective, He's demanding and he's bully America.

679
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,280
Know he're trying to make all movies. Apologies to all

680
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,960
of ours making none of that.

681
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: I know, I'm just I'm just vimentation.

682
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: But he did he disregarded the importance of tea time.

683
00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:26,960
James Cameron is like, what the f is tea time?

684
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: We don't stop making our movie at four o'clock for

685
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,280
everybody to have tea. But there's a great story about

686
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
how the tea lady, this wonderful little lady who's pushing

687
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,280
her trolley around, Hello traps, would you like some tea?

688
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,360
And he exploded at her, right.

689
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: Almost as good as Dick van Dyke, almost, you know,

690
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:49,800
like like Bridrick suckson.

691
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: But anyway, the tea lady came around at the wrong

692
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,320
time for an American director who is not used to

693
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,320
this and under pressure trying to get everything, and of

694
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,840
course these guys are happy to take tea time, and

695
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,559
she got both barrels from James Cameron. Just a couple

696
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,320
of other additional things I want to throw in on

697
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,360
the filming process.

698
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: Okay, so you know most movies.

699
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: Are filmed kind of out of sequence, but Aliens was

700
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,320
intentionally filmed with this particular scene shot last where we

701
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,039
meet the Marines. That was one of the last shots

702
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,679
film for the movie, because they wanted that camaraderie of

703
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:26,400
the actors who had been around each other for all

704
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:26,840
this time.

705
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,079
Speaker 1: So brilliant that and they have that camaraderie. It's just

706
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,880
like the space truck and Alien. You don't doubt for

707
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,119
a second that those guys have been working together and

708
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,239
hunting bugs or doing whatever four years.

709
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, hey, you mentioned that one of the model

710
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,280
makers made this great little painting on the side of

711
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,079
the ship and it's called bug Stompers. Oh yeah, and

712
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:49,719
it's kind of like a World War two thing where

713
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,880
they would paint their the outside of their ship.

714
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: And he spent all this time.

715
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: He's real proud of it. Bug Stompers. It says we

716
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,880
endanger species nice And he was real proud of it.

717
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,760
He's like, you can't see it. Yeah, you know, you

718
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,159
spend all this time and after it's not on the screen.

719
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: And we failed to talk about the special effects guys

720
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,320
from Aliens. I talked about them from Alien, but we

721
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,039
didn't talk about the special effects guys from Aliens.

722
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: You've got mister stan Winston, stan freakan Winston, holy smokes.

723
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:21,639
So stan Winston was in charge of all of the

724
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,079
creature stuff, right, And so he's the guy who gives

725
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:28,639
us the chest burster that can move around and wiggle

726
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,719
and has hands and arms, Like they looked at the

727
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,079
original chest burster and it had like little nubs where

728
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:35,760
the arms would be like, we're gonna go ahead and

729
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,079
make those arms for our guy. And they gave him

730
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:40,719
vertebrate where he could like move like a snake.

731
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,199
Speaker 1: Oh, it was so good. So they did some amazing

732
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,199
special effects and I'm just going to touch on some

733
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,119
of them here, but they had a running face hugger.

734
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:54,320
How did they do that? Right? It's amazing. So the

735
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,239
first shot like this is the scene where Burke has

736
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,480
trapped Newt and Ripley inside of the place where the

737
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,360
face huggers were being studied. And has let the face

738
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,719
huggers loose. Right, they wake up and the face hugger

739
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,559
is trying to get them from beside the bed, right,

740
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,599
and then you see them run around. They do this

741
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,920
beautiful thing where she sets off the fire alarm. So

742
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,960
you get this intense, scary scene with flashing red lights.

743
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,760
Brilliant number one. But then they've got this face hugger

744
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,719
who's running. There's no CGI at this point, right, CGI

745
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,360
non existent in this movie. So what they do. They've

746
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,719
got this face hugger that runs along, appears to jump

747
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,760
onto a chair and then jump at your face as

748
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,800
the audience member is their point of view that's jumping in.

749
00:37:42,039 --> 00:37:43,440
So how do they do that? How do they make

750
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,679
it run and jump? So the first shot they shoot

751
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,280
with animatronic moving legs and it gets to a spot.

752
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,360
Then they put a little eyelet in that spot. They

753
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,440
tie a little string to it, and then they put

754
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,519
the face hugger on the chair. And then they shoot

755
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,920
a reverse shot and they take a string and they

756
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,199
ganged the face hugger backwards to the islet, and then

757
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:08,719
they put the face hugger back on the chair. They

758
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,000
put the string from the camera's perspective, pull it toward

759
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,199
the camera, and then run those three shots sequentially, so

760
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,559
you have it animatronics running reverse shot of it being

761
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,360
pulled backwards so it looks like it's jumping forwards, and

762
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,639
then the point of view shot where it appears to

763
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,719
jump at your face.

764
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: And it's fantastic, it's incredible. You know, we haven't talked

765
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,440
about the Queen. First of all, is a new creation

766
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,599
for Aliens. Yeah, all James Cameron, It's all James Cameron.

767
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,679
Hr Geyer was not involved in the second Aliens. These

768
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,199
are Cameron's drawings and it's a full model. Like you said,

769
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,159
there's no CGI, there's puppeteers. We're talking like, I think

770
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:48,320
it's six guys to operate this. When I'm watching this,

771
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,639
I'm like, wow, this is like Big Bird on steroids, right,

772
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:54,360
So it's truly amazing how they made that work.

773
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: Another reverse shot that they did was the shot where

774
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,119
Hicks sticks his sho shotgun in the mouth. He did

775
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,079
he had tried over and over to shove it and

776
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,920
it kept missing them, And James Cameron's like, we'll just

777
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,159
do it in reverse. Put it in there. I'll have

778
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,400
you pull it out and then I'll run it backwards.

779
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,800
Brilliant genius. One of the guys who was a special

780
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,559
effects guy in the movie was Steve Norrington. He would

781
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,199
go on to direct The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which

782
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:25,119
wasn't that good, But he also directed Marvel's first movie

783
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,239
Blade whoa Wow.

784
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Hadley's hope the power plant where they're running

785
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:35,639
around If that looks familiar, that turned out to be

786
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,760
excess chemicals in the Batman movie.

787
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,639
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, they used that scene to

788
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,760
do to do Batman. I forgot about that. Okay, So

789
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,440
that scene where Bishop gets impaled by the Queen's tail, Yes,

790
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,280
and he spurts all of the same you know milky

791
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,480
stuff that we saw ash few out alien. Yes, that

792
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,239
was yogurt mixed with milk. Uh huh. The problem was

793
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,239
they left it sitting unrefrigerated all day out of frame,

794
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:05,519
and he actually got sick. Yeah, he got food poisoning

795
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,920
from it. Was up all night sick to his stomach

796
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,280
and had to come in the next day and continue

797
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,559
throwing that stuff in his mouth. He's like, hey, hey, guys,

798
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,000
can we put in the refrigerator this time?

799
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,679
Speaker 2: I know it's supposed to vombit, but can I pretend

800
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,639
this done? One of the scenes we haven't really talked

801
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,679
about is when Sigourney Weaver gets in the Powerloader and

802
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,599
she squares off against the Queen. It's the most fantastic

803
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,400
scene in the movie. Dayleen Hurd says that as a producer,

804
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,880
that's her single best moment of her career when she

805
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,760
watched this in the theater and Sigourney Weaver comes out

806
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,960
in the power Loader and says, get away from her,

807
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:38,840
you bitch.

808
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: Right, so awesome, and it's you got two different special

809
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,960
effects guys on that one. The mechanical effects were handled

810
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,000
by John Richardson and the creature effects were handled by

811
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,440
Stan Winston, and so you get this awesome end where

812
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,840
they put their two special effects into battle, the Powerloader

813
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,199
and the alien. Two different effects crews develop each of them.

814
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,400
And Powerloader they actually had a guy behind Sigourney Weaver

815
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,599
who was really controlling the Powerloader right right, but basically

816
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,039
she's like he's spooning her the whole time, and so

817
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:12,760
the guys thought it would be hysterical if they put

818
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,079
a little balloon.

819
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: In his crotch area, and.

820
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: So as they're filming, as they're filming the scene, all

821
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,400
of a sudden, they start pumping this balloon and Sigourney

822
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,519
was like, excuse me, excuse me, uh hello, what are

823
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:31,840
you doing, sir John John, what's going on? That is hilarious.

824
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,199
I'm giving it up to those guys. That is funny.

825
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,679
Speaker 2: You know, there were companies that contacted the movie studio

826
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,519
because they wanted to buy these powerloaders.

827
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the special effects guys.

828
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:44,639
Speaker 2: Let's talk score interception, okay.

829
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,679
Speaker 1: In Alien, Ridley Scott had wanted to use this guy

830
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,679
named Isao Tomatilla, who was did like a bunch of

831
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,400
from Japan, did a bunch of synthesizer kind of music.

832
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:57,719
Would have sounded much more like a video game, more

833
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:02,320
like Space Invaders went a Space Invader's music done done? Yeah.

834
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,920
Alan Ladd Junior said, why don't we go with Jerry

835
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Goldsmith because he's an icon and he's ridiculously tanalented, and

836
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,719
this has got enough space stuff in it. We don't

837
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,239
need video game sound effects, right.

838
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 2: Jerry Goldsmith did the Grimlins soundtrack among many other things.

839
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,639
Speaker 1: Yes, many other things. And so Goldsmith had this original

840
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,840
main title that was supposed to be beautiful and kind

841
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,000
of almost romantic because he wanted to capture, you know,

842
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,639
the beauty of space on that opening scene. And really

843
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:31,840
Scott was like, I no, like this, can we do

844
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,920
something else? And so Jerry Goldsmith said, so I rewrote

845
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,159
it to be weird and strange and everybody loved it.

846
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:46,360
That's great. So okay. Now for Aliens, we have our

847
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,960
friend mister James Horner, who we've spoken about before. We

848
00:42:50,039 --> 00:42:52,920
talked about him in our Brave Heart episode. Detail in

849
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,400
his history if you want to go check out our

850
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,320
Brave Heart versus Gladiator episode. Interesting and ironic that really

851
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,920
Scott did Gladiator. Of course, Now James Cameron is gonna

852
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,199
go use James Horner for Aliens. Yeah, he uses James Horner, right,

853
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:14,039
and James Horner, I mean Titanic best selling score in history, right, right,

854
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,960
And they bring him in. He's got six weeks to

855
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,880
write the score, which he says, he's okay, a problem,

856
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,719
except for three weeks they don't have a movie to

857
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,000
give him. They're still editing, and he's like, I felt

858
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,159
bad for the editor too, because they keep filming and

859
00:43:28,159 --> 00:43:30,480
they keep bringing him new stuff and he cuts it

860
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:31,920
all and then they come back in with new stuff

861
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,360
and they're like, Okay, we've got to put all this in.

862
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,440
And this isn't iMovie, guys. This is like Cape and

863
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:39,440
Razor cutting film. This is hard stuff. So the editor

864
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,519
is struggling to get it done, and until he's done

865
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,280
with his part, James Horner can't do anything because there

866
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,440
are literally thousands of music cues that he's got to write.

867
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,880
Oh yeah, and so he ends up with just a

868
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,480
couple of weeks to write it. He puts all of

869
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,159
this music together based on the way that it's edited,

870
00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,679
and then James Cameron and Gail Hurd go in and

871
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,960
re edited everything. And so they come back and he's

872
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,400
like done his best to put it together and they're like,

873
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,639
wait a minute. I thought that this piece of music

874
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,320
went with the scene. And I thought that this piece

875
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,320
of music went with this cue. And he's like, it did,

876
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,719
but you went and changed everything so I and they're like, well,

877
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,920
then just you know, redo it. He goes, guys, I

878
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,199
have an orchestra. I have to write music for them, right,

879
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,880
He goes, if you want to give me four days,

880
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:27,239
I can do it. I can get this done perfectly

881
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,199
in four days. And Gale Hurt's like, we don't have

882
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,119
that time. He goes, then I can't get it done,

883
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:33,559
and she goes, well, I guess we'll just have to

884
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:37,360
find someone who can. And he said, please do go

885
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,000
for it. Please go do that, because if you can

886
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,519
find somebody who can re edit, rewrite, do everything that

887
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,000
you're asking in the time that you're asking, I've got

888
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,320
something to learn from yep. And she said, yeah, we'll

889
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,159
go ahead and use me. Okay. I was just bluffed.

890
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,880
But as bad as that went, obviously James Cameron and

891
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,119
James Horner got back to there. Okay, So I saw

892
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:00,760
an interview with James Horner.

893
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: He said basically that that situation went so bad he

894
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,280
did not think he would ever work with James Cameron again. Okay,

895
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,920
off the rails, super frustrating. Everybody was mad at each other.

896
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,639
They left, good luck, that's close enough. That's the best

897
00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:15,840
I can do. Sorry, guys, good luck. And when James

898
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,280
Cameron saw Braveheart, He's like, man, that score is so great.

899
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,519
I'm calling Jamie again for my next project, Titanic. And

900
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:26,320
I guess enough time had passed that Jamie was like, yeah, okay,

901
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:26,920
let's do this.

902
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:30,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, or enough money right right, that's fantastic. I think

903
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:32,400
I think James Cameron had a little bit bigger budget

904
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:33,000
for Titanic.

905
00:45:33,199 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, we were ready to talk reception of these

906
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,320
two movies. Yeah, let's go for it, reception and final judgment.

907
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,559
Speaker 1: Okay. So on Alien, okay, somebody came out the door

908
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:45,079
and went hated it. No, nobody hated it. People were

909
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,519
blown away, of course they were right.

910
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: People fainted during the Chessburster scene, right.

911
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

912
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,519
Speaker 2: In fact, there's a Texas movie theater owner who got

913
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:58,159
sick of people fainting and vomiting in his theater that

914
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,559
he cut the Chessburster seat. So when people would watch

915
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:03,880
the movie, if you watch Alien and there's no chest pursture, it.

916
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. But there's no drama.

917
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: What Yeah, No, so people were like, what what the heck?

918
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: What what is going on here? It's like the Titanic?

919
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:12,679
What the boat doesn't say.

920
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: It, It's like watching Galaxy of Terror.

921
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,559
Speaker 1: Right.

922
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,079
Speaker 2: The scene where Ash is decapitated, this is not even

923
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,400
the chest pressure scene. He gets hit in the head

924
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,920
with a fire extinguisher so hard they take his head off.

925
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: It's a great scene.

926
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: An usher in London in a movie theater just did

927
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,199
a total face plank hit the deck.

928
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:34,599
Speaker 1: Oh you know.

929
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: Karaoke, he said, Oh my gosh, here we go. Okay,

930
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:46,280
So reception for aliens, Like I said, Gayleen Hurd said,

931
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,519
the single greatest moment in her career is attending the

932
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:51,880
theater in Hollywood and when Ripley comes out in the

933
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,800
paralletter and says get away from her, you bet, and

934
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,599
the whole theater erupts. She's like, this is the greatest

935
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,840
moment of my life.

936
00:46:59,000 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: Okay.

937
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:04,039
Speaker 2: Individually, when the actors saw the movie for the first time, okay, So,

938
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:07,280
Michael Bean and Bill Paxton saw this movie together. They

939
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,440
watched it from the projection room. They thought they had

940
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,440
a hit, but they hadn't seen it yet. So Michael

941
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,800
Bean said that when they're watching this that Bill Paxton,

942
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,639
who originally went by Wild Bill Paxton, was going crazy.

943
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: Huh.

944
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,559
Speaker 2: He's like, God, this is am effing roller coaster and

945
00:47:24,599 --> 00:47:27,880
he couldn't contain himself, just going crazy about this. So

946
00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:31,000
and Lance Hendrickson watched it with James Cameron.

947
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:32,039
Speaker 1: They watched it together.

948
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 2: When they walked out, Lance Henderson was so stunned by

949
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,239
what he had seen. He said, Jim, I don't even

950
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,199
know what to say to you. I can't even put

951
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:42,119
into words. So I'm going to write you a letter.

952
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: Yea, And he said.

953
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: James Cameron's like okay, And of course the critics praised it.

954
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:48,760
So Lance Henderson's like, well, I guess everybody's kind of

955
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,440
said what they said. So he like, six months later

956
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,360
he hadn't turned in the letter. So for six months

957
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,239
James Cameron thought that Lance Henderson hated the movie. No,

958
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,639
and Lance Henderson's like, no, that is not the case.

959
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,079
I think amazing.

960
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. I've got a couple of awesome tidbits

961
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:04,400
to throw.

962
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: In and then we'll do final judgment on these two.

963
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,159
Give me what you got, Okay, quick shout out to

964
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:10,400
my wife, Catherine Colbyn, who allows me to do this

965
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:15,519
awesome podcast. Vasquez has painted on her armor el riasgo

966
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,519
ciampre bibe. My wife's the Spanish teacher. So I call

967
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:20,440
her and I say, what does that mean? She says,

968
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,679
the risk always lives. Interesting, that's on Vasquez's armor.

969
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:26,679
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, Yeah, when.

970
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:30,639
Speaker 2: Hudson says the line stop your grinnin and drop your linen, yes,

971
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,840
those are lyrics from an ac DC song. Shake your

972
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:48,679
leg off of Back in Black flashback to Our Appetite

973
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,639
for Destruction versus Back in Black episodes from last summer.

974
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:52,119
Speaker 1: Nice.

975
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,039
Speaker 2: Okay, here's another one for you. Melissa jo and Hart

976
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:57,880
is one of the kids at Hadley's Hope and one

977
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,480
of the cut scenes. In one of the cut scenes,

978
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,440
she's running around. She's like one of the little little

979
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:03,039
kids at Hadley's Hope.

980
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:04,559
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, one more thing.

981
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: In an interview with movie Phone Sigourney Weaver said that

982
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,719
each time one of the actors was to die, she

983
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,480
would send them a.

984
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: Book of flowers.

985
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 2: Aw right, nice, except when Burt died, she said, a

986
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:17,800
dead bouquet of flowers.

987
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Okay. I got one last tidbit. Okay, And

988
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,360
this goes to this is this is kind of an

989
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,559
underlying thing. And I started this off saying Alien a

990
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:33,199
movie about an unwanted pregnancy, right, right. But there it's

991
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,559
literally all over the place, Like their sleeping chamber is

992
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,880
egg shaped. It is if they are being released from

993
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,320
their eggs when they come out of their hyper sleep. Right,

994
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,920
obviously they've got the eggs everywhere. The name of the

995
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:53,440
computer is Mother, Mother. Right, It's all over the place

996
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,199
in there right. It is unwanted pregnancy, it is eggs,

997
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,320
it is berths, it is rape. But here's my tidbit. Okay,

998
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:04,679
the voice. We've named all of the actors an alien

999
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,159
except for one. The lady who voiced mother. He is.

1000
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,639
The actress is named Helen Horton. Okay, and you will

1001
00:50:12,679 --> 00:50:17,000
recognize her from your favorite Superman movie, Superman three. She

1002
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,800
was Perry White's helper whenever they were doing the bingo

1003
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:26,400
for the for the trip to the to the Caribbean,

1004
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,159
or wherever it was get out of town, same lady.

1005
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: That is a fantastic tidbit. Wow, good job. Okay, here

1006
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,760
we are final judgment. Where are you between these two?

1007
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: D you go first? Talk to me? Hot fun huh Okay.

1008
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,599
For the last thirty five years, I have maintained that

1009
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,679
Aliens is better than Alien. It is more action packed,

1010
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,199
it is more guns, it is more fun, it is

1011
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,840
more intense, and it is an amazing, amazing movie. James

1012
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,280
Cameron took something that was incredible and turned it and

1013
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,119
still kept all of the essence and made it something beautiful,

1014
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,400
and so I still think it is one of the

1015
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,880
best action movies of all time. Almost as good, but

1016
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,400
I have changed my opinion after rewatching these movies and

1017
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:23,320
studying these movies. I think that the pacing, although it's slow,

1018
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,880
the pacing that goes from slow to stab and horror,

1019
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,440
and the deeper meaning behind everything that's going on and

1020
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,840
Alien makes it a better movie. And looking back at

1021
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,639
it now, to me, special effects, acting, all of it

1022
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:45,000
holds up better than Aliens. Does I still love Aliens?

1023
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:47,280
Please don't send me hate mail. I still love it,

1024
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,559
but I think that the special effects and the story

1025
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,239
behind the original Alien movie must win the day.

1026
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:10,159
Speaker 2: Okay, you are smoking, that's right. Okay, it's not especially recently.

1027
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: We haven't disagreed on a whole lot of things.

1028
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 2: Okay, I absolutely disagree with you one hundred percent. And

1029
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,360
I know that it's kind of the critics opinion that

1030
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,159
Alien is the all time greatest horror movie.

1031
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,159
Speaker 1: And it is. It's super scary.

1032
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,599
Speaker 2: And I told you as a kid, when I realized

1033
00:52:26,599 --> 00:52:28,840
what was happening, I knew I had to see this movie.

1034
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,039
And when I saw it, it thrilled me and scared

1035
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:37,880
me to death. It is a epically scary science fiction movie.

1036
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,639
And you were on the right track just a minute ago.

1037
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,360
Aliens was something great. Cameron camera along and made it greater.

1038
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:47,199
Aliens is one of the greatest action movies I have

1039
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,559
all time. You said it yourself, without a doubt, maybe

1040
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,280
the best action movie of the eighties, die Hard.

1041
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's in the conversation.

1042
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: Right when you have Marines and you have Aliens, and

1043
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:02,519
you have the Queen, and you have that incredible when

1044
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:07,119
they invade the Hive and it's flamethrowers and guns.

1045
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: And grenades and nuclear blasts.

1046
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,079
Speaker 2: It's everything a teenage boy wants in a movie. And

1047
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:13,159
I was blown away.

1048
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: I loved it.

1049
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,559
Speaker 2: For me, hands down, Aliens all the way, although I

1050
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:19,840
love Alien as well. We asked a friend of ours,

1051
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,320
John rated the thirty something Movie podcast, to weigh in

1052
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,480
on this as well. Here's what he said.

1053
00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:27,639
Speaker 3: Hey Jason, Hey d it's John from podcast Full of Kryptonite,

1054
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:31,320
your co host and the thirty something Movie podcast. You

1055
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:32,760
guys had reached out to me and let me know

1056
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,159
that you were doing an Alien versus Aliens episode, and

1057
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:38,800
I got to tell you that would be a tough choice.

1058
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,920
Those are two I've mentioned on our show several times.

1059
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,679
Those are two of my favorite movies growing up. I

1060
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,320
was obsessed with Alien when I moved over to England.

1061
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,440
England just a hotbed of alien fanatics over there. They

1062
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,679
had the Alien War exhibit that I got to go

1063
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,039
through as a as a twelve year old kid and

1064
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,679
loved it, absolutely loved actually found the poster for it

1065
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,719
that I bought. In some ways, Alien and Aliens are

1066
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,599
an apple and an orange. Alien is one of the

1067
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:10,239
best sci fi horror movies that exists. Aliens is one

1068
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,559
of the best sci fi action movies that exists. And

1069
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,639
I think I mentioned you guys several times too. You

1070
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,400
know my undying, irrational love for Alien three. I do

1071
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,199
love that movie. It's not on the same level as

1072
00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:24,920
Alien and Aliens anyway. For me, I think it comes

1073
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,760
down to I get to pick Alien between those two.

1074
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,599
Love Aliens. Like I said, it's a great action movie,

1075
00:54:30,639 --> 00:54:35,320
but just the depth of the horror and the claustrophobia

1076
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,280
and the tension, it's a beautiful, dark, grotesque movie. There

1077
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,639
is so much to fear about the alien that to

1078
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,400
a certain degree, when you throw so many Aliens into

1079
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,519
the mix and you can just mow them down with

1080
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:52,800
an automatic weapon.

1081
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: It's still cool.

1082
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 3: But for me, I love the straight up horror of

1083
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,639
being stack by the lone alien. You have no weapons

1084
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,039
or improvised weapons. You are not soldiers. You're on a

1085
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:11,400
mining ship, and you've got what's at your disposal. I

1086
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,159
love that it's going to take your ingenuity to try

1087
00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:16,440
to stop this thing. For me, it's got to be alien.

1088
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,480
It's got to be alien. I look forward to hearing

1089
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:20,960
what you guys have to say. Which one you guys choose,

1090
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,320
I don't think either of you are going to be wrong,

1091
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,280
regardless of what your choice is. They are both amazing movies,

1092
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,960
and so I'm just really excited to really excited to

1093
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,719
hear what you guys come up with. All Right, thanks

1094
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:32,239
a lot, guys.

1095
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so once again John and I agree. I can't

1096
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,599
tell you how often I've listened to the thirty something

1097
00:55:37,679 --> 00:55:40,159
movie podcast and I've been thinking something and then John

1098
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:43,440
says it, like it is amazing to me how our

1099
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:45,920
minds work in the same way. And I want to

1100
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:50,480
say this one more thing about what aliens did. This

1101
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,400
was the best part for me. Right, it's the little

1102
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,480
radar that they have for the aliens. Right, So that

1103
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:58,800
was in alien. I didn't even remember it being an

1104
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,239
alien but they had the an Alien, but it was

1105
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,400
just one beep and she's freaking out. Veronica Cartwright Lambert

1106
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,239
is freaking out because oh my gosh, she's gonna doorsy.

1107
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,480
It's freaking out right, And that's such an intense scene.

1108
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,599
And James Cameron took it and amplified it, put Bill

1109
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,960
Paxson in the going They're all overs man six meters

1110
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:25,199
man five, Oh so good, he's turning that screw. I

1111
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,440
love it. I love it, And I had a point

1112
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,800
that I've forgotten nowrap Your point is Aliens is freaking awesome.

1113
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,119
I don't want you to think that I don't love Aliens.

1114
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:40,199
And I'll watch Aliens again and again, and I'll watch

1115
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,800
Alien again and again. But when we first started talking

1116
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:49,639
about this, we said Aliens versus Terminator to the best

1117
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,400
of the sequels, right where the sequel was better than

1118
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,960
the original. And so that was totally my opinion before.

1119
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,840
It was only upon coming back to it and watching

1120
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,360
it again. So I encourage everybody out there who has

1121
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,559
the same opinion as Jason, go back and watch both

1122
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:05,280
of them. Now that you've heard the history, now that

1123
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,679
you've heard the stories behind it, go back and watch

1124
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,760
both of these movies and hit us up on Facebook

1125
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,039
and tell us what do you think which is the best.

1126
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,079
Speaker 2: Please weigh in on Facebook. We can't wait to hear

1127
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:17,480
what you have to say on this. Come back next week,

1128
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:22,519
Terminator one, Terminator two, More Cameron Full Throttle Action and Horror.

1129
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,719
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1130
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:29,280
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1131
00:57:29,679 --> 00:57:32,239
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1135
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:44,199
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1136
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1137
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1138
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1139
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Speaker 2: Usta Lavista Baby,