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Speaker 4: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing, sir?
Speaker 5: Pretty good about how's it going with you?
Speaker 2: All right? Just kind of dealing with adult drums of
Speaker 2: a winner. This is the second week in a row
Speaker 2: that I have not been out to the woods. I
Speaker 2: don't want to walk around in the snow and not
Speaker 2: say it just stows a bum out man. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: can take the boy out of California, but you can't
Speaker 2: take the California out of the Boy, I suppose.
Speaker 5: So you can't go like down like five hundred feet somewhere, and.
Speaker 2: I want to go to the spots that I know
Speaker 2: or produce. Right right, there's probably everything down loads, got
Speaker 2: people on it. I'm sure snow, it's not into the
Speaker 2: snow and cold. I'm ready for spring, man, I'm ready
Speaker 2: for spring, getting out there in the muddy roads and
Speaker 2: walking around and find them some Sasquatch friends and getting
Speaker 2: all squatchy man.
Speaker 5: Can't wait, it's coming, It's coming. I guess we got
Speaker 5: our few and A today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Well, so this is our normal sort of
Speaker 2: monthly Q and A thing that we do. Of course,
Speaker 2: we're taking questions from you, our listening audience, and if
Speaker 2: you want to submit a question, the best way to
Speaker 2: do it, of course, is go to that link that
Speaker 2: Matt Prout will put in the show notes, which is
Speaker 2: basically our website, and you can push the contact button
Speaker 2: and send us a question. Or if you're really really
Speaker 2: cool or exceptionally cool, I suppose you can leave us
Speaker 2: a voicemail because there's that option on the website as well,
Speaker 2: bigfit Beyond podcast dot com, and you can actually talk
Speaker 2: to us and well, we're not going to answer you
Speaker 2: because we're not on the phone with you, but you
Speaker 2: can leave a message for us on the voicemail and
Speaker 2: then maybe you can hear your voice on BIGU and
Speaker 2: Beyond with the Cliff and Bobo and Matt. Just like
Speaker 2: this first question that's going to come up right now,
Speaker 2: Matt hit.
Speaker 6: It and actually this one's not a quick question, and
Speaker 6: it was a nice compliment, but who brought a smile
Speaker 6: to my face? And so I thought I'd bring a
Speaker 6: smile to you guys too, so we'll put it here
Speaker 6: for the audience.
Speaker 3: Hi, clever brother, my name's James rob New Orleans and Louisiana.
Speaker 3: We don't have a sash March down here, but we've
Speaker 3: definitely got the work, so we've got that going for us.
Speaker 3: I just want to reach out and say thanks to
Speaker 3: you guys, because you guys actually made me feel less
Speaker 3: crazy when I found your show. You guys were on
Speaker 3: and loved it made me feel like this a lot
Speaker 3: more other people out there who do believe and actually
Speaker 3: want to believe and improve the existence.
Speaker 6: Of this animal.
Speaker 3: I think the most important thing to remember is we're
Speaker 3: all great ages and if there's another member of the
Speaker 3: family tree World, welcome to the family. Just makes the
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving dinner even better. I think your show's brilliant. I
Speaker 3: love the podcast keeps me entertained and listening from working
Speaker 3: to home and home to work each day of my
Speaker 3: journey so far, I do enjoy listen to you guys.
Speaker 3: You bring a very logical and cynsical argument to the
Speaker 3: whole Nomanna and I just want you guys and find
Speaker 3: it because they give down the groundwork and you've done
Speaker 3: the legwork, and thanks a lot for your time. I
Speaker 3: appreciate the show, and I'll keep listening. As Bobo says,
Speaker 3: keep it squatchy, speak to you later.
Speaker 5: But that's Cloit New Orleans accident accent, there is it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, let me start right away, James by correcting you.
Speaker 2: There are sasquatches down there.
Speaker 5: There are.
Speaker 2: There are absolutely sasquatches in Louisiana. Bobo saw one there
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah I did, I did. It was right on
Speaker 5: the border.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yes, yeah, So there are sasquatches there, so
Speaker 2: don't write off those woods quite yet. So that's I
Speaker 2: think the first comment. But thank you so much for
Speaker 2: the kind words. Really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 6: You can go back and listen to the episode with
Speaker 6: Danny from Louisiana. If you want to hear about Bobo siding,
Speaker 6: go back in our old episodes and find the one
Speaker 6: that says Danny from Louisiana and you'll get a kick
Speaker 6: out of Bobo's story.
Speaker 5: But you don't. Got our six year anniversary coming.
Speaker 2: Up in May, I think, right May May fifth.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's only three months or whatever, but it's coming up.
Speaker 6: Well, we started recording in January February, so for us
Speaker 6: it's been six years, but for the audience, yeah, it'll
Speaker 6: be Cinco de Mayo is when we launched the first episode.
Speaker 2: Oh and do you remember the good old days when
Speaker 2: we're thirteen episodes ahead? Oh my goodness, I do what
Speaker 2: a luxury? Now we're now we're zero ahead.
Speaker 5: Well, we got that. We've got a question or more
Speaker 5: platitudes being a lot of honus.
Speaker 6: Here's a good question for you, Hi, Cliff, Matt and
Speaker 6: sometimes Bobo.
Speaker 5: This is Barren.
Speaker 7: I'm a longtime fan, first time caller, fat Cliff. I
Speaker 7: even met you in San Francisco once at an event
Speaker 7: and you were even talking to Bobo on the phone. Anyway,
Speaker 7: my question is, I know you guys are big fans
Speaker 7: of books. You talk about all the books we should read,
Speaker 7: but it's kind of hard to read a book while
Speaker 7: on the treadmill. We're working out, and that's where I
Speaker 7: like to watch a lot of videos. I was wondering
Speaker 7: if you had a list of videos or movies that
Speaker 7: you like to watch or Sasquatch related. Anyway, keep up
Speaker 7: the good work, and also, Bobo, i'man trying to get
Speaker 7: a hold of you to see if you'd be interested
Speaker 7: in a paid gig to Bluff Creek this July.
Speaker 5: Let me know. Thanks bye. Yeah, okay, I did see
Speaker 5: that message I got. I gotta go back. I got
Speaker 5: so much stuff to go through. Is that there a
Speaker 5: fireball pass? So I got like thirteen fourteen hundred messages
Speaker 5: or something like that. So I'm just going back to
Speaker 5: trying to answer as many people as I can. It's
Speaker 5: a task. But anyways, yeah, I'm in so yeah, I'll
Speaker 5: get back to that guy for sure within this week.
Speaker 5: So it was did you have a question?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, A couple of things to say.
Speaker 2: First of all, yeah, you must have been talking about
Speaker 2: when we did that the thing at the Balbo Theater
Speaker 2: in San Francisco. That's the only gig I can think
Speaker 2: of in San Francisco itself that I've done in the
Speaker 2: last ten years. That was a lot of That was
Speaker 2: a lot of fun actually, And of course I was
Speaker 2: probably talking to Bobo on the phone, because that's what
Speaker 2: we do. In fact, we did. I used to talk
Speaker 2: to Bobo so much on the phone we decided to
Speaker 2: make a public and do a podcast about it.
Speaker 5: I remember that Cliff, you give me direction how to
Speaker 5: get there and word to part. I was so blowed
Speaker 5: out of that kind of because I was so epic. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Kai used to do that one, and Kai got really
Speaker 2: into it for a while. Don't know what. I haven't
Speaker 2: talked to Kay in a while, but he pops up
Speaker 2: like every year or two, just out of the blue,
Speaker 2: and it comes and graces his you know, our lives
Speaker 2: with his presence and makes us all laugh for a
Speaker 2: few moments and it completely disappears for the next eighteen
Speaker 2: months or something like that. Love the guy. Yeah, But
Speaker 2: as far as your question goes, he's saying that he
Speaker 2: doesn't have a lot of time for books because he's
Speaker 2: always running on treadmills and he wants to know if
Speaker 2: there's any movies that he can watch or whatever that
Speaker 2: be informative on the treadmill. And my first answer is
Speaker 2: what about books on tape?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, books on tape. I'm going to go back to
Speaker 2: books again if I can, just because books it's so
Speaker 2: much more effort to bs in a book in my opinion.
Speaker 2: You know, don't get me wrong. There's plenty of nonsense
Speaker 2: books out there and terribly formatted ones, and some one's
Speaker 2: of spelling errors, and some that people didn't even write
Speaker 2: you know, either, you know, like a I wrote, or
Speaker 2: ghostwriters wrote in all the other stuff, you know, And
Speaker 2: I don't mind the ghostwriting things as much. But there's
Speaker 2: a lot of nonsense in books even nowadays. But i'd
Speaker 2: say for the most part, stick with books, you know,
Speaker 2: books on tape while you're on a treadmill or whatever
Speaker 2: you're doing driving is a great way to use your time.
Speaker 2: But if you're set on watching movies, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I have anything for you.
Speaker 6: Well, he specifically said videos, and so I would direct
Speaker 6: you to the North American Bigfoot Centers YouTube channel, which
Speaker 6: I will link in the show notes.
Speaker 5: Gotcha.
Speaker 6: There's another technology too, like if you're not in a
Speaker 6: position where you can like sit down and watch something
Speaker 6: on a screen, but you want to take in information,
Speaker 6: it's sort of like similar to the radio or audiobooks.
Speaker 6: They're called podcasts, and I would highly recommend those. I
Speaker 6: don't listen to any of those either, though, well I
Speaker 6: listened to lots of them.
Speaker 1: You listen to this one like three times a week? Yes, No,
Speaker 1: but there are I would say, you know, I love
Speaker 1: a lot of the small town monsters documentaries. You know,
Speaker 1: they cover a lot of cryptids, and so some of
Speaker 1: those things, you know, I don't watch because I'm just
Speaker 1: not as interested in the cryptid, but they make great content. Obviously,
Speaker 1: once again, North American Bigfoot Center has great video content.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch Archives, that's a great channel. But there's so many
Speaker 1: great long form interviews with people like doctor Jeff melderm
Speaker 1: or John binder Nagel that are on YouTube, or old
Speaker 1: Grover Krantz lectures. I mean, there's still a lot of
Speaker 1: good academic, scholarly content on YouTube. They're just not in
Speaker 1: the form of like produced videos. They would either be
Speaker 1: long form interviews or public presentations, and so that's what
Speaker 1: I would recommend if you're not listening to certain podcasts
Speaker 1: or you know, I know you mentioned audiobooks. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of great audiobooks that you can find on relevant subjects,
Speaker 1: but there's not a whole lot of Sasquatch oriented audiobooks,
Speaker 1: or at least not ones that I would recommend to
Speaker 1: come to mind because a lot of the classics are
Speaker 1: not in the audiobook format unfortunately. So now Meldrum's book is,
Speaker 1: but you know, Krantz Green a lot of the classics
Speaker 1: are just not yet, unfortunately.
Speaker 6: I do. Someone texted me the other day to say
Speaker 6: that Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen Legend Come to Life is on
Speaker 6: audiobook now, and he said the arrator is pretty funny.
Speaker 6: I guess it's like a real ery Dyke sounding British voice,
Speaker 6: kind of like sa Anderson would have been. So I'll
Speaker 6: have to go check that out. But if you have
Speaker 6: Spotify Premium baron, there's tons of audio books there that
Speaker 6: you can dig into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I say, I was thinking movies, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to watch movies, Like
Speaker 2: what were you going to learn from anything outside of
Speaker 2: the documentary? And the best Some of the best documentaries
Speaker 2: are getting so old now that the information's kind of dated,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are still my favorite ones, like Mysterious Monsters, Bigfoot,
Speaker 6: Man or Beast, like all those old classics are still
Speaker 6: my absolute favorite. Pickfoot documentaries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't watch anything. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't have the time and I don't have
Speaker 2: the interest. You know. It's not like I'm not interested
Speaker 2: in the subject, but at the same time, I'm out
Speaker 2: there doing it. You know, like, dude, tennis players watch
Speaker 2: movies about other people playing tennis. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 5: I have no idea. Yeah, i'd recommend something like I'll
Speaker 5: get into something like I'm like, oh, this is like
Speaker 5: I'll listen like a cool episode or something. Then I'll
Speaker 5: get it another one and I'm like, I'll tell you one,
Speaker 5: like listen to this one. And then it's like I
Speaker 5: heard some more. I should have. I should have listened
Speaker 5: to some more before I recommended it.
Speaker 2: I do love the Sasquatch archives though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like archives. I always recommend that we're
Speaker 5: missing some channels. I know Charlie Raymond has some good
Speaker 5: stuff for Kentucky Bigfoot. Who else Russ Jones post stuff,
Speaker 5: but that's not really He's not like posting that much.
Speaker 5: But what like Twitter stuff. The guy that was with
Speaker 5: the Bluff Creek project guys, he puts up some pretty
Speaker 5: decent stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh Jonathan Easley, Yeah, yeah, he does good stuff as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, And I know we're I feel bad for
Speaker 5: anyone listening that we're skipping your sorde about that.
Speaker 8: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 8: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 4: so here is the last of the voicemails before we
Speaker 4: move on to the written questions.
Speaker 5: Hey, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt.
Speaker 2: I love the show. This is Dale from Indiana.
Speaker 9: I was just wondering if there's ever been like a
Speaker 9: handprint or a footprint found made in blood from like
Speaker 9: a kill site.
Speaker 2: Love the show, guys, keep it up awesome, have a
Speaker 2: good one.
Speaker 5: Thanks By. There's the screwboard from this kind of a print,
Speaker 5: sort of that screwboard snow Grove Lake where they got
Speaker 5: the original gena something they tried for a legimate science
Speaker 5: Monster quest ros Monster Quest. Yeah that's the one I
Speaker 5: know of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the only physical one I know. I've heard
Speaker 6: a lot of stories, one in particular that was a
Speaker 6: very compelling story, but no photos.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: It supposedly happened in the eighties.
Speaker 5: What was it.
Speaker 6: There was a gentleman who a friend of mine interviewed
Speaker 6: the witness, and this was in Maryland, and the guy
Speaker 6: was out raccoon hunting in a place that was sort
Speaker 6: of like the area dump. It was a wild wooded area,
Speaker 6: but people would dump like furniture and dead appliances and
Speaker 6: things like that out there. So he was out coon hunting.
Speaker 6: His dogs took off. He heard him going nuts. He
Speaker 6: found them at the base of a tree, and he
Speaker 6: shined the light up in the tree and there was
Speaker 6: a branch sticking out horizontally parallel to the ground, about
Speaker 6: six feet off the ground. And he said, standing on
Speaker 6: that branch was a sasquatch and it was real close
Speaker 6: to the trunk, and it had one hand on the
Speaker 6: trunk of the tree, and when the guy shined the
Speaker 6: light at it, it put the free hand up above
Speaker 6: its eyes. And he said that when he hit it
Speaker 6: with the light, you know, it put its hand over
Speaker 6: its eyes. And the dogs were going nuts, and the
Speaker 6: guy was kind of freaking out, taking in the whole scene,
Speaker 6: and so he just screamed like shut up to the
Speaker 6: dogs to get him to stop barking. He said what
Speaker 6: he did. Interestingly, the sasquatch urinated all over itself, like
Speaker 6: he had startled it or frightened it or something. And
Speaker 6: then it leapt down and took off up the slope
Speaker 6: and the dogs were chasing it. And he said he
Speaker 6: was trying to follow the dogs up and he heard
Speaker 6: this crashing sound in this big, you know, dead washing
Speaker 6: machine came crashing down the hill, like an appliance that
Speaker 6: was dumped out there. And he came home and told
Speaker 6: his dad the story, and his dad didn't believe him,
Speaker 6: you know, oh, you must have seen a bear or something.
Speaker 6: And so he claimed he went out there with his
Speaker 6: dad the next day and showed him that washing machine
Speaker 6: and there was a big bloody handprint on it where
Speaker 6: either they, you know, interacted with something dead, or maybe
Speaker 6: the dogs had bitten it and it was bleeding or something.
Speaker 6: But but again I didn't get to talk to the witness.
Speaker 6: It was a friend of mine who did. But that
Speaker 6: story is always stuck with me.
Speaker 5: That is, that was sick with its that's pretty gnarly.
Speaker 5: I can just imagine that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, especially the detail about it, like urinating almost in
Speaker 6: voluntary early, like it was scared when the guys shouted
Speaker 6: really loud. Yeah, apparently like hurled this washing machine like
Speaker 6: a closed washing machine down the hill, or shoved it
Speaker 6: down the hill or something.
Speaker 5: I said. If there's chunk around like a junk yard,
Speaker 5: they love those. They love that. Squatches love debris to
Speaker 5: try us.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I have never heard of such a thing. You know,
Speaker 2: you think it would happen every once in a while,
Speaker 2: But then again, I don't have a ton of reports
Speaker 2: of sasquatch eating live or you animals or recently dead animals,
Speaker 2: So you would think that there'd be more around there,
Speaker 2: especially if some people I don't I personally don't think this.
Speaker 2: But if they lean so heavily towards carnivorous habits, you
Speaker 2: think there'd be some more of that stuff around. But
Speaker 2: I think they tend towards plant diets with and augmenting
Speaker 2: it with meat to a lot. But you know, if
Speaker 2: there is only going after deer, as people say, then
Speaker 2: you think there'll be a lot more of it.
Speaker 6: But I just have not heard it.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, some squatches on paleo diets, some vegetarian squatches.
Speaker 5: You know, they're in the gamut. They're just regular people.
Speaker 4: Now, prout, we can move on to the written questions.
Speaker 6: So here is the first question.
Speaker 5: This one comes from Quirky Tait. Hey, guys, longtime listener
Speaker 5: and loyal member of the Royal Order of Honorary Pigeons.
Speaker 5: I remember years ago some people took a mounted African
Speaker 5: line to the planes of Africa to see what real
Speaker 5: lines might do. I know, did they investigate, but they
Speaker 5: even attacked it. I was curious if you have thought
Speaker 5: of leaving Murphy or reasonable facimally outside me with a
Speaker 5: pheromoh hip or camera, just see what the neighbors might do.
Speaker 5: We've talked about it a ton. I don't know if
Speaker 5: anyone's ever left a really good one like that out there.
Speaker 5: I mean we've been like a ply with cutouts and
Speaker 5: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But Tom Shade did something like that. He found a
Speaker 2: very very cheap fur coat in I believe, at thrift
Speaker 2: store somewhere, and he bought it and put it on
Speaker 2: a mannequin and like left it out there, and I
Speaker 2: think it went ignored for a while, and then eventually
Speaker 2: they tore the crap out of it. He thinks they
Speaker 2: are the ones responsible.
Speaker 5: Who knows what.
Speaker 2: Actually did it? We just don't know. But I believe
Speaker 2: it was tossed about and you know, and scattered and
Speaker 2: all that other stuff. So I'd have to get verification
Speaker 2: from Tom Shada to see if I'm correct on that.
Speaker 2: That's but that's what my memory is telling me. But
Speaker 2: you know how my memory is, it's not always one
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
Speaker 5: So we know, we know it didn't fool that they
Speaker 5: throw it apart. It was just kind of like, get
Speaker 5: this damn thing out of here. Like it was like
Speaker 5: they thought, we're beating up a fellow of sasquatch takeing
Speaker 5: our territory. Sure, it was just annoyance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And trust me, if Murphy didn't cost thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars and was easy to carry around, I'd be
Speaker 2: happy to leave it in the woods for a couple
Speaker 2: of days. But that would be foolish of me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I think I think the only way you could fool
Speaker 6: is if you laid it on the ground in a
Speaker 6: position like it had expired, Because I think if they
Speaker 6: saw one just being static and inanimate for a length
Speaker 6: of time, they'd know that something was up. You know,
Speaker 6: I think they would be intelligent enough to be suspicious
Speaker 6: of that. But I think if it looked like one
Speaker 6: laying face down on the ground, they might come investigate.
Speaker 2: But you know what might be kind of fun to
Speaker 2: do is going big footing dressed as a sasquatch, you know,
Speaker 2: doing your thing, walking in small groups on trails he
Speaker 2: had no lights or anything like that, and doing the
Speaker 2: knocking and whooping and seeing what that kind of thing illicits.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if anyone's ever tried that.
Speaker 5: We've done that?
Speaker 3: Have we?
Speaker 5: I have not? Yeah? Yeah, up in the.
Speaker 2: Road woods dressed as sasquatches.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've done the muggy seats a couple of times
Speaker 5: where we did Gillie suits because we did it a
Speaker 5: national park, because you're not gonna get shot in the
Speaker 5: national park. No, it's hunting, there's no guns. Geat me careful.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's plenty of places I do it like,
Speaker 5: not worried about it, but doesn't seem to have worked
Speaker 5: all that great so far for people I know that
Speaker 5: have tried it. I've only had one person that said,
Speaker 5: where the sasquatch got excited and it kind of fooled them.
Speaker 5: It sounded like there are something at all that sound
Speaker 5: like it. Just get a little more worked up. It's
Speaker 5: the same thing. They stay out of the way, they
Speaker 5: stay hidden. They might throw some pebbles or something and
Speaker 5: break some branches, but nothing really out of the ordinary.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of anybody doing that that's interesting. I
Speaker 2: could see how like one or two people walking on trails,
Speaker 2: just hiking in the dark dress of sasquatches might come
Speaker 2: up with something interesting eventually. And of course the problem
Speaker 2: with that is that you just don't know if the
Speaker 2: sasquatch is there. They are very rare, and they're not
Speaker 2: all over the place. They're not always watching you. Despite
Speaker 2: what a lot of people say and all that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, they're just usually not there.
Speaker 5: Is the fact of the matter. The one we had
Speaker 5: had dimming lights. We had two little red diode lights
Speaker 5: for eyes. You get dim, right and dim.
Speaker 2: Was that that cardboard cutout we tried in Virginia.
Speaker 5: That was the plywood Oh okay, right right, let'men worned
Speaker 5: a couple of times. I worred a few times. There's
Speaker 5: probably no biglits around anyways, who knows. We got no
Speaker 5: reaction to the discernible at least you'd be warm. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's true. Yeah, we've thought about it. We've definitely thought
Speaker 5: about it. We did great. If you have some big
Speaker 5: like the Mountain from Game of Thrones that came with
Speaker 5: a you know, good squatch costume because they look a
Speaker 5: lot more believable. Well there's little ones, yeah, true that.
Speaker 8: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 8: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Well, let's go on the next question.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 2: This is from Dennis Martin and he asks it seems
Speaker 2: that there are a bunch of Bigfoot festivals popping up
Speaker 2: all over the country nowadays. If you had time and
Speaker 2: the means for three a year, which would you go
Speaker 2: to as a patron not a presenter? Thanks and love
Speaker 2: the podcast, especially Bobo's story Time. That should be a
Speaker 2: book in itself.
Speaker 5: The festivals, man, I love a lot of I like
Speaker 5: almost all of it. Really dig cryptod cons always a
Speaker 5: top dog for me. Squatch Fest up in Washington, you
Speaker 5: guys just did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to look at who's speaking. And also
Speaker 2: there's different flavors of these things too that you have
Speaker 2: to consider. Like there's the festivals. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna go do a festival one, I'd go do Hawking
Speaker 2: Hills or something like that because but then they have
Speaker 2: speakers too. But that's more of a family event that
Speaker 2: you could just go to and it's huge, like tens
Speaker 2: of thousands of people show over every year. If you're
Speaker 2: talking just speakers, I'm with Bobo's squatch Fest and Cryptid
Speaker 2: Pawn and the Ohio Conference always knocks it out of
Speaker 2: the park. Yeah, I mean those are the ones that
Speaker 2: off the top of the.
Speaker 6: I think he means conferences like any sort of Bigfoot
Speaker 6: event at all. I don't think he's differentiating between conferences
Speaker 6: and festivals. That's how I would break it up. It's like,
Speaker 6: if I wanted to go see speakers and interact with them,
Speaker 6: I would choose the Ohio Conference because it's an intimate setting.
Speaker 6: Everyone's under one roof, it's very speaker oriented, there's great
Speaker 6: vendors there. It's small, kind of a you know, first come,
Speaker 6: first serve because it's a small number of tickets, so
Speaker 6: it's a little more exclusive in that way. If I
Speaker 6: wanted to go to a festival, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 6: of those around that are great like Cliff mentioned Hawking Hills,
Speaker 6: or like the Smoky Mountain Festival in Townshend. In terms
Speaker 6: of like a big conference, I think Marty and Nicky
Speaker 6: Pippen organized excellent conferences, whether that's the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot
Speaker 6: Conference with the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference. So that's the
Speaker 6: three sort of styles I would pitch.
Speaker 2: You can't really go wrong with any of the two
Speaker 2: or three Tennessee festivals either. There's two or three of
Speaker 2: them out there, and all of them are pretty good,
Speaker 2: you know, as far as big festivals go, you know,
Speaker 2: booths and families and all that stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you're looking to get a bunch
Speaker 5: of bigfoot swag, those ones are great. An Ohio conference
Speaker 5: is good for speakers and schwag and or you know,
Speaker 5: merchandise Bigfoot related paraphernalia. Yeah, Ohio has got it all.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Marty and Nicky's they're gather yeah, gatherup events.
Speaker 5: The ones they put on Smoking Mountains in Florida, those
Speaker 5: are top notch for the big ones. And yeah, I
Speaker 5: love the Kentucky I mean, god, yeah, Tennessee's got some
Speaker 5: big anythink Lea and gender is always really fun, really good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Crypto Con kind of has the same feel as
Speaker 6: Ohio because everyone's under the same roof, so it's a
Speaker 6: real social event for multiple days, and there's amazing vendors there,
Speaker 6: and you know, a lot of speakers. They cover a
Speaker 6: whole lot of subject matter too, so it's not just
Speaker 6: sasquat related speakers.
Speaker 2: A couple of things worth mentioning though, is that I'm
Speaker 2: pretty excited about two particular festivals this year. I happen
Speaker 2: to be speaking at both of them. That's why I'm
Speaker 2: aware of them. One is coming up real shortly here
Speaker 2: in April. I think it's on April eleventh or that weekend,
Speaker 2: whatever the weekend around the eleventh is, and it's the
Speaker 2: Mountain hood Sasquatch Festival. It's a brand new one. It's
Speaker 2: never been done before. But you know, this part of
Speaker 2: the country doesn't have a lot really. I mean there's
Speaker 2: a couple here and there. There's a Squatch Fest is
Speaker 2: the big one of course, has in January. There's the
Speaker 2: Ocean Shores thing. Whenever that is, I think it's usually
Speaker 2: November or October or something like that. There's not a
Speaker 2: whole lot out here, though, considering it's a Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2: So these folks are getting together one in April, which
Speaker 2: is a cool time of year to be up here
Speaker 2: because spring's in full forest and all the trees are blooming.
Speaker 2: It is beautiful up here that time of year. It's
Speaker 2: going to be a little wet, probably because it's a
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest cptral, but it's up on Mountain Hood. It's
Speaker 2: on Mount Hood itself, so that's kind of exciting thing
Speaker 2: because this is a super squatchy area, of course. And
Speaker 2: I know that the speaker lineup this year is pretty great.
Speaker 2: And it's not because I'm on it, you know, like
Speaker 2: I'm excited to go herebody else speaks because it's Doctor
Speaker 2: Meldrum I'm speaking, of course, and Mark Mercel is speaking
Speaker 2: and Michael Freeman. You can't ask for a better lineup
Speaker 2: for speakers than those four, I think, you know. And
Speaker 2: then we're all friends and it's going to be great.
Speaker 2: And there's another one that I'm looking forward to in
Speaker 2: the fall. God, I think it's September. I'll get the dates,
Speaker 2: and you know what, it gets a little bit closer,
Speaker 2: I'll be sharing with people. It's out in New York,
Speaker 2: though it's in New York and there, you know, so
Speaker 2: it's not all the way up in Whitehall, and it's
Speaker 2: not all the way down in like the city either,
Speaker 2: as somewhere between from what I understand. And I know
Speaker 2: that the organizer for the IHAO Bigfoot Conference is helping
Speaker 2: out with that one, so it's going to be a
Speaker 2: very well run event, and I'm looking forward to that
Speaker 2: one too. And I know I know doctor Meldrum's on
Speaker 2: that one, and I'm on that one, and I think
Speaker 2: they have another local person representing, but I don't know
Speaker 2: who that is. I forget and I don't know, but
Speaker 2: when it gets closer, I can share a little more
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's good to clarify because we've mentioned in a
Speaker 6: few times, but we've gotten a lot of emails and
Speaker 6: people asking for the details. So I've been responding to
Speaker 6: those one at a time, saying, well, it's a new festival,
Speaker 6: so they don't have a website or social media presence yet,
Speaker 6: and as soon as those things are launched, they'll be
Speaker 6: put in the show notes and talked about more in depth,
Speaker 6: so folks don't email me.
Speaker 2: Narrowing it down to three is kind of hard, because
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of good ones, and it
Speaker 2: depends what you're looking for. It really depends what you're
Speaker 2: looking for. Some people go to one of these outdoor
Speaker 2: festival things and aren't happy because they brought their their
Speaker 2: notepad and they want to sit inside and take notes
Speaker 2: and learn stuff. And sometimes the other is true, like
Speaker 2: people think, oh, close a boring speaker because blah blah
Speaker 2: blah or whatever, because all he talks about is bigfoot
Speaker 2: and I want to see chochkeys.
Speaker 5: Para CON's cool up in Michigan. It's all indoors and
Speaker 5: that big casino.
Speaker 2: Although to be fair, that one isn't really a bigfoot
Speaker 2: oriented at all. In fact, when I'm speaking up there,
Speaker 2: like I feel like I'm the outcast because I'm up
Speaker 2: there talking about you know, field biology a bigfoot, and
Speaker 2: everybody's going like, but don't they talk to you in
Speaker 2: your head? And are paranormal? Aren't they interdimensional? And it's
Speaker 2: like no, no, And then like I feel like I
Speaker 2: let the air out of the room every time I'm there.
Speaker 5: So I went there twice and it was like the
Speaker 5: bick red for Lyle. There's you know, it's like half
Speaker 5: bigfoot people. I guess they went way more of the
Speaker 5: paranormal is that sells more tickets.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm not going to tell
Speaker 2: you who it is, but what there there is a
Speaker 2: paranormal bigfooter who told me that they went paranormal because
Speaker 2: they have more money. It's like, oh, that's not wow,
Speaker 2: that's not good. That's not good for the subject. It's
Speaker 2: not the only reason that this person went paranormal. But
Speaker 2: you know, that's you say, oh, there's just so much
Speaker 2: more money in the UFO community or whatever. So it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess if you're into it, as long as you're
Speaker 2: into it, as long as you're being honest to yourself
Speaker 2: about it and that you really care about the subject,
Speaker 2: I don't really care what you do, you know, honestly.
Speaker 2: But it's the posers that boil my kurds agree, Yeah, all.
Speaker 5: Right, well that's yeah. So there's there's there's a lot
Speaker 5: of good festivals and conferences out there. Estes Park's another
Speaker 5: fun one.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm done that one this year too. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's three in a row I'm gonna do. I mean
Speaker 2: the Mountain Hood Festival. Then the following weekend I'm in
Speaker 2: Estes Park, Colorado, which is beautiful. It's just a beautiful
Speaker 2: It's an outdoor festival, and it snowed last year from
Speaker 2: what I understand, so I mean they do it anyway, though,
Speaker 2: I guess you're tough sort of folks living at you know,
Speaker 2: eight thousand feet into the snow and whatever else. But
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful little town and super fun. I love
Speaker 2: that festival. I've I've only done it once. It was
Speaker 2: two or three years ago, maybe four, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But I'm looking forward to that one. And then of
Speaker 2: course the week after that, which brings us into the
Speaker 2: first weekend of May, I'll be at the Ohio Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Conference once again. So I keep going back to that one,
Speaker 2: so I must love it.
Speaker 5: What I did at Estes Park, it was the high
Speaker 5: was twenty six degrees that day. It was outdoors, and
Speaker 5: it was a little bit of wind blowing. It was
Speaker 5: pretty brutal.
Speaker 6: Ouch ouch.
Speaker 5: It was beautiful. It was fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to all three of those events. I'm sure after three
Speaker 2: gigs in three weeks, I won't be looking forward to
Speaker 2: any other ones for a little while until I can rest.
Speaker 6: We get these kind of questions, surprisingly often. Given the
Speaker 6: fact that we discussed this a lot, I usually don't
Speaker 6: throw them in there, but since we do, get him
Speaker 6: off and I figured it'd be good to address one.
Speaker 5: This is some Tyler McMahon, Hi, Cliff, and Bobo. I
Speaker 5: wanted to ask if you guys were still in contact
Speaker 5: with Matt Renee Greetings from the UK. I haven't talked
Speaker 5: to him either, one of them months since last summer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been less than that for me. I mean,
Speaker 2: Renee was at Cryptocon in November. I think I've gotten
Speaker 2: a text from her since November. But in general, it
Speaker 2: seems that the habit, the pattern that has developed is
Speaker 2: that I probably have some sort of contact, whether speak
Speaker 2: to her on the phone for twenty thirty minutes or
Speaker 2: texting or something with Renee every two to four or
Speaker 2: five six months somewhere in there.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's more frequent, sometimes it's more Yeah, but something
Speaker 2: something like that. Every couple of months, it seems that
Speaker 2: I'm in contact with Renee, just catching up or something
Speaker 2: like that. Matt is a little bit more often because
Speaker 2: Matt and I talk about bigfoot stuff, you know, Renee's
Speaker 2: I just talked about like whatever, you know, whatever's going on.
Speaker 2: But with Matt it's usually bigfoot stuff. He'll call me say, hey,
Speaker 2: there's a siding up here, can you want to check
Speaker 2: it out? Or you want it? Or this or that
Speaker 2: or his son lives up here. Now Leo, moneymaker lives
Speaker 2: up here. So I've just played with Leo, played some
Speaker 2: music last week with Leo. So you know, I check
Speaker 2: in with Matt every once in a while. And although
Speaker 2: I have to admit this is probably the longest it's
Speaker 2: been since I've spoken to Matt in quite a while.
Speaker 2: I bet I haven't spoken to Matt since maybe around
Speaker 2: Christmas time or something like that, you know, because it's
Speaker 2: not really Christmas without a money maker in your life,
Speaker 2: I guess. But yeah, so I guess it's kind of
Speaker 2: a long I guess I Mat a phone call. That's
Speaker 2: what it comes down to, too.
Speaker 5: He oes we want.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, we do get those kind of questions often,
Speaker 6: even though I know if someone were listening to all
Speaker 6: the episodes, you know there's there's updates from both of
Speaker 6: you about Matt and Renee fairly frequently, but it's good
Speaker 6: to just answer it in the question there.
Speaker 2: And we're always getting new listeners as well, so I
Speaker 2: think it's good to revisit some of these questions that
Speaker 2: keep popping up.
Speaker 5: Right. Oh.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: The next question here comes from Denny s. And his
Speaker 2: question is do you have any updates on the study
Speaker 2: being done by Derby or cut any idea when the
Speaker 2: study will be published?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, I'm in contact with Darby fairly frequently. Again,
Speaker 2: it's been a little while for me now, I think
Speaker 2: it's been two weeks since I've spoken to Derby, But
Speaker 2: I speak to Derby rather regularly about a couple of
Speaker 2: different things that are going on. But just to clarify,
Speaker 2: it's not a study, it's a lot of studies. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of things going on, and Darby is very,
Speaker 2: very tight looked about it, as well as he should be.
Speaker 2: I know the stuff that I'm involved in personally, and
Speaker 2: I know very little about anything else, and he likes
Speaker 2: it that way, and I respect his privacy because he's
Speaker 2: doing some high level stuff and he's got to be
Speaker 2: extraordinarily conservative about it because if he does get positive
Speaker 2: results and we can nail this thing down, everybody from
Speaker 2: every different direction is going to call him a liar,
Speaker 2: a hoax, or this and that and stuff. And he
Speaker 2: has to have absolutely bulletproof evidence, and part of that
Speaker 2: is NDA's and secrecy and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But again, I do speak to Derby a fair amount,
Speaker 2: and the last several times I've spoken to him, he
Speaker 2: has brought it up himself. I didn't poke him at it.
Speaker 2: He brought it up himself that he will be looking
Speaker 2: for a time to come back on to Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: belong to talk about updates and progress and things that
Speaker 2: he is allowed to talk about. So we are his
Speaker 2: first stop. This microphone right here is his first stop
Speaker 2: when he is willing to say and when he's able
Speaker 2: to share anything. And he says he is constantly barraged
Speaker 2: by emails both good and bad and whatever else. And
Speaker 2: science takes a long time, a very very long time
Speaker 2: when done right. So I just like encourage the entire
Speaker 2: Bigfoot community that is listening right now to hold your horses,
Speaker 2: relax a bit, breathe deeply, get yourself a beer, you know,
Speaker 2: take it easy. Things are happening, really cool things are happening.
Speaker 2: I can absolutely promise you that it's just going to
Speaker 2: take a while. It might take another year or two
Speaker 2: or something like that. But Darby, again, I've been talking
Speaker 2: to Darby since probably November about him coming back on
Speaker 2: the show, and he keeps bringing it up to me,
Speaker 2: so I know it's going to happen. Also, so while
Speaker 2: we're talking about Darby, he is, from what I understand,
Speaker 2: he's planning on being out here on the West coast.
Speaker 2: So you can look forward to very likely having Darby
Speaker 2: as a special presenter at the North American Bigfoot Center
Speaker 2: when he's out here. We're kind of targeting July at
Speaker 2: this point. You know, we'll see what his schedule actually
Speaker 2: is because a lot of you know, everybody's got a schedule,
Speaker 2: and most of the time it's out of our control, right,
Speaker 2: but we're kind of talking maybe he'll be out there
Speaker 2: out here in July, which is a glorious time to
Speaker 2: be in the Pacific Northwest. Of course, so I look
Speaker 2: forward to show in Darby some of my locations that
Speaker 2: I've been working out there. He wants to see them,
Speaker 2: he wants to see some prints in the ground, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But yeah, as far as updates, the only stuff I
Speaker 2: know is what I'm involved in. And if Darby's not
Speaker 2: ready to talk about it, then I'm clearly not ready
Speaker 2: to talk about it either, but I will say it's cool.
Speaker 2: There's some really interesting stuff going on, and that's just
Speaker 2: what I personally am involved in.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: And I'm one of many many facets in the gym
Speaker 2: that is this bigfoot study right now. And also while
Speaker 2: I'm talking about this, I might as well clarify some
Speaker 2: more stuff. Darby is not a scientist. I think everybody
Speaker 2: needs to know that. He has a degree I think
Speaker 2: in library science. I guess that's a science, you know,
Speaker 2: you know. But at the same time, that's not his
Speaker 2: job description here. He's not doing the analyses. He is.
Speaker 2: His job description literally is interdisciplinary project coordinator. He gets
Speaker 2: this department to talk to that department that they usually
Speaker 2: don't talk back and forth between, right and say, hey,
Speaker 2: there's a thing. I think you have some skills that
Speaker 2: might benefit this thing I have, and you over here
Speaker 2: in this department you also have things that might be
Speaker 2: useful for this particular thing, this bigfoot thing, or what
Speaker 2: this unidentified sample. And he gets them to start talking
Speaker 2: back and forth, and he gets scientists, real scientists who
Speaker 2: have put very very niche skills to say, hey, that
Speaker 2: sounds interesting. I'd like to try my skill set at that,
Speaker 2: and that's what Darby is doing. He's not doing the analyses,
Speaker 2: he's not doing all that. He is getting people to
Speaker 2: talk to each other and organizing it all.
Speaker 6: He's like Nick Furry to the Avengers.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, exact, there you go, there you go.
Speaker 2: And this isn't by the way, this also isn't the
Speaker 2: only project that he's doing. You know, the university isn't
Speaker 2: hiring just for this one thing. He has a fair
Speaker 2: number or at least a small number. I don't know how
Speaker 2: many projects of this size he can anybody can swallow, right,
Speaker 2: but he has a fair number of other projects that
Speaker 2: are not in any way related to this, to biology
Speaker 2: or you know, identifying samples or any He's got a
Speaker 2: lot on his plate. And this bigfoot thing, even though
Speaker 2: I mean I think it's by far the most interesting,
Speaker 2: I think he's very very interested in it as well.
Speaker 2: That's just one of several meals on his plates right now.
Speaker 2: So patience is what I would recommend everybody. I mean,
Speaker 2: who's going to be more excited about hearing than than
Speaker 2: like Bobo madd Andi, Right, and we're just hanging out waiting,
Speaker 2: So everybody else can hang out and wait too, even
Speaker 2: if even if he has samples of yours, And I
Speaker 2: know that several people out there listening have sent samples
Speaker 2: in because I've spoken to you about it. It relax,
Speaker 2: it's cool. Every sample will be addressed. Everybody will get
Speaker 2: an answer. It just may not be in your timeline,
Speaker 2: but that doesn't matter. Your timeline doesn't matter the scientific timeline,
Speaker 2: the slow, methodical, conservative scientific timeline.
Speaker 5: At least two more years. Who knows, Well, that's what
Speaker 5: Jarvis said. Yeah, I mean, befreaking like through definitives, gonna
Speaker 5: be like two three years.
Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see, man, who knows? I mean, I
Speaker 2: know they were going to start testing some stuff in November.
Speaker 2: I remember, And I don't know. I don't know where
Speaker 2: or what or how or you know, if their hair
Speaker 2: or blood or fair. I don't know anything about any
Speaker 2: of that. But I know that there is some testing
Speaker 2: going on in November, so I'm sure they probably have
Speaker 2: a lease of preliminary results by now. But then what
Speaker 2: Then you have to look at the preliminary results and say, well,
Speaker 2: are these real or not? Are they true or what?
Speaker 2: What does it show us? Then you have to test
Speaker 2: that and you have to sample it and you have
Speaker 2: to get other people to get them. It's a slow
Speaker 2: it's an agonizingly slow project and process. So just everybody chill.
Speaker 2: It's cool. But when Darby is ready, he promised us
Speaker 2: he will come on here to talk about it with
Speaker 2: you our listeners.
Speaker 8: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 8: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 5: Got Grace Cruise. Has there been any reports of animals
Speaker 5: bigfoot in the Caribbean or in Central America? I am
Speaker 5: a fan of the podcast from the Island of pr
Speaker 5: not the Caribbean, but in Central America of course. Yeah, Ecuador,
Speaker 5: I mean Nicaragua, Belize still has them, Guatemala, Mexico, Southern Mexico,
Speaker 5: Northern Mexico. Gotten about five reports from Costa Rica, but
Speaker 5: I'm not sure about those. I don't really heard anything
Speaker 5: out of Panama. Yeah, Making an Afraid. The guy from
Speaker 5: Making an Afraid talks about it. He had him outside
Speaker 5: his little sleeping hot at night, like repeatedly. He had
Speaker 5: repeated encounters with it, even talked about it on the show.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, there's a long history. And of course,
Speaker 2: if they're in South America, which apparently they are. They
Speaker 2: had to get there somehow, and it seems to me
Speaker 2: that Central America is probably the best way.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think one of the best collections of reports
Speaker 6: from Central America is still in Ivan Sanderson's book, because
Speaker 6: there's a very large section devoted to that, and there's
Speaker 6: a lot of really good information in there too, which
Speaker 6: is pretty funny considering that was nineteen sixty one and
Speaker 6: there hasn't been a whole lot to add to that
Speaker 6: since then, at least in print book form. But that's
Speaker 6: a resource I would point grace too.
Speaker 5: I've said this before on the show, but when I
Speaker 5: went down looking around there in Nicaragua, they all said
Speaker 5: that they had a lot of them up until the
Speaker 5: Contra Wars in the eighties, and that after that somebody
Speaker 5: got blown up by mines and artillery and rocket far whatever.
Speaker 5: Mostly they said land mines is what killed them all.
Speaker 5: Mostly they hadn't found God, this was food fifteen twenty,
Speaker 5: you know, this was twenty years ago. I was down
Speaker 5: there last time doing that. It had been fifteen years
Speaker 5: since they had any solid reports. In the meantime. The
Speaker 5: people I spoke to with the mountains, so I don't know,
Speaker 5: they're still there, and they might have came back in
Speaker 5: maybe since the war's went over for quite a while.
Speaker 5: But they still have animals blow up up like cows
Speaker 5: and horses and whatever once in a while a person even
Speaker 5: because there were so many land mines left out in
Speaker 5: the hilt during the war that killed a lot lot
Speaker 5: of wildlife.
Speaker 2: I've directly spoken to witnesses from southern Mexico like Chiappas
Speaker 2: and Alisco and Michoacan and stuff in saying that they've
Speaker 2: seen these things in the jungles. In fact, one of them, Bobo,
Speaker 2: you were there. The guy who ran the taco truck
Speaker 2: at wild Man Days out in Kentucky, he saw one
Speaker 2: of these things, and he told me the story in Spanish,
Speaker 2: and I caught most of it. You know. Basically, he
Speaker 2: and his friends saw this thing at a distance. He
Speaker 2: was seventeen years old. They ran after it, and he
Speaker 2: said they had no chance of catching up to it.
Speaker 5: Of course, he told us where the cave was, where
Speaker 5: it went into.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that part of it, but maybe I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't remember that part of it.
Speaker 5: It was up going to the second biggest, the second
Speaker 5: biggest pyramid in Mexico whatever that was called. There's a trail,
Speaker 5: it's like four kilometers, he said. About halfway up, they
Speaker 5: went about four hundred six hundred meters off the trail,
Speaker 5: there was a cave that it ran into and disprited
Speaker 5: in that cave, so someone could some of the poken
Speaker 5: would possibly look for it.
Speaker 6: It's still hiding there to this day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well they're they're down there there, down there
Speaker 2: for sure, you know, just nobody seems to really be
Speaker 2: paying much attention to it.
Speaker 5: I think at cheap of carbra stories, I guess. I
Speaker 5: think I think a lot of cheaper I think that
Speaker 5: stuff gets structured. I think everything gets ruptured with the
Speaker 5: cheap of cabra, like oh it's a whatever, so it's
Speaker 5: the cheap of cabare.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and also duendees and stuff like that, you
Speaker 2: know that that kind of thing. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It seems there's there's a lot of
Speaker 2: mythology and folklore down there. Some of it's probably base
Speaker 2: in reality, but a lot of it just isn't, honestly,
Speaker 2: A lot of it's based in superstition and whatever else.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there's none other pr we can tell you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Puerto Rico, I think that that your poop
Speaker 2: out of luck unfortunately.
Speaker 6: All right, so here's the next question.
Speaker 2: Okay, this one comes from Irma Calderon. Would you and
Speaker 2: Bobo consider doing a one time TV special with all
Speaker 2: this new tech that is available. I'd consider it. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't jump on it, but i'd consider it if we
Speaker 2: had really good gear. Yeah, maybe it depends. It depends
Speaker 2: on what sort of assurances from the product company that
Speaker 2: they wouldn't lie in mislead and stuff. You know, So
Speaker 2: that's the thing, you know, I would consider it, and
Speaker 2: then I would think about it. And if there's good tech, sure, Again,
Speaker 2: I am of the unpopular opinion around here that tech
Speaker 2: isn't going to solve this thing. But at the same time, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're fun to use. I don't think this is a
Speaker 2: technology game anymore. I used to think that, but I
Speaker 2: don't think that anymore.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: But I would definitely consider it as long as I
Speaker 2: as long as the show I felt was respectful to
Speaker 2: the subject and did a good job conveying what really happened.
Speaker 5: A documentary not a TV special, so that just implies
Speaker 5: crap like an extended documentary like where we had like,
Speaker 5: you know, three months to use the gear. I mean,
Speaker 5: because they the way they'd want to do is is
Speaker 5: short and cheapest possible. To give us like one or
Speaker 5: two nights and say, oh, they tried this new equipment
Speaker 5: didn't work. It'd be like, no, we don't have at
Speaker 5: least ninety days to use it. Something like that. Like
Speaker 5: documentaries more style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I mean hate to burst anybody's but
Speaker 2: but documentaries write out the storyline before they go film it,
Speaker 2: and they film you know, footage that fits the story
Speaker 2: for the most part, you know.
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: TV is a weird thing, man, Like I know, most
Speaker 2: people get their their information about these subjects and probably
Speaker 2: a lot of other subjects just from television. But I
Speaker 2: don't think it's just such a reliable source. I just
Speaker 2: really don't. And that's after working on lots lots of
Speaker 2: TV shows. So I don't know if I've got a
Speaker 2: love hate relationship with the TV thing. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: I think I think that comes through by listening to
Speaker 2: the podcast. But it would be a special I've said
Speaker 2: this many times. It would be a very special TV
Speaker 2: show to get me back on the screen now and
Speaker 2: of course, I know.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Somebody's out there and saying, yeah, have a clip. You're
Speaker 2: talking about this stuff on you know what is it
Speaker 2: that show that I do? What is it called Proof
Speaker 2: Is out There? So yeah, well, I'm doing the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: stuff on Proof Is out There. And they throw me
Speaker 2: these other things that I have no idea about, and
Speaker 2: I get to riff on them, and that's kind of fun.
Speaker 5: I enjoy that.
Speaker 2: But the Proof Is out There, folks, they're legit, man, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know about birds being telepathic and reading your
Speaker 2: mind and all that kind of stuff or whatever else
Speaker 2: may be on that show. Because I've never seen an
Speaker 2: episode of the show, I know some of the stories
Speaker 2: they have me and I look at are pretty funny,
Speaker 2: pretty funny, and I've busted some hoaxes. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: puppets that are being trying to be passed off as
Speaker 2: various other animals and stuff, really funny stuff. And again
Speaker 2: I don't know what makes Sierra. I don't watch this
Speaker 2: stuff I'm in. But the producers on that show take
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot thing really seriously, and some of them have
Speaker 2: become much more interested in the subjects since I started,
Speaker 2: and I know doctor Meldrum's on there as well, his
Speaker 2: faces on camera there. They've come up with some interesting
Speaker 2: bigfoot stuff, some of which I have not seen before,
Speaker 2: that I thought was pretty interesting, and they've never once
Speaker 2: asked me to push the truth. And they're more ridiculous
Speaker 2: stories that I think nobody really believes or whatever. Because
Speaker 2: it's television. It's just for entertainment, right, they asked me
Speaker 2: to introduce it or whatever. But when I say, what
Speaker 2: do you think about this cliff, I say, well, I
Speaker 2: think it's nonsense. Of course I do, and I'm assuming
Speaker 2: that doesn't make the edit. But they let me say it,
Speaker 2: and they never push me to do anything to honest,
Speaker 2: and so I have I have great faith in the
Speaker 2: producers of that show as far as they're honesty goes.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know how the how the edit
Speaker 2: comes out. Again, I don't watch any of this stuff.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they've never steered me wrong.
Speaker 2: They've never pushed me to be dishonest. And when I say,
Speaker 2: they say, can you say this, and I go no,
Speaker 2: I can't say that, that's ridiculous. But I can say this,
Speaker 2: and then I could say something truthful about it.
Speaker 5: So again.
Speaker 2: But that's the only kind of show that I'm willing
Speaker 2: to work with, the kind that let me be me
Speaker 2: and tell my truth as I see it and don't
Speaker 2: force me in anything. And so if you see my
Speaker 2: mug on a TV that's that's what you're getting. But
Speaker 2: as far as a series or even a one off
Speaker 2: special or whatever that's solely focused around Bigfoot stuff, it
Speaker 2: would have to be a very special TV show or
Speaker 2: special or whatever to have me on it.
Speaker 5: Again.
Speaker 6: Yeah, people would also have to realize, like, when you
Speaker 6: do that proof is out there, that's half a day
Speaker 6: of your time, and there's no travel involved. It's not
Speaker 6: like you've got to clear your schedule for weeks and
Speaker 6: take multiple flights and haul out a bunch of gear
Speaker 6: year and you know, up end your entire life versus
Speaker 6: going and sitting down somewhere for half a day. You know,
Speaker 6: that's a huge difference of commitment.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I drive to Gresham. I
Speaker 2: show up at like nine point thirty or something like that.
Speaker 2: The crew is already there and they're set up. We
Speaker 2: record until I'm done. I usually get out of there
Speaker 2: by like three or four or something, and then I'm
Speaker 2: back home. You know, and I cast her check, which
Speaker 2: is nice. You know, it's not a ton of money,
Speaker 2: but it's a little I'll take it. It's great.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's a great gig, and I like the people involved.
Speaker 2: And like I said, they never pushed me towards dishonesty.
Speaker 2: They'd let me say what I want to say, and
Speaker 2: they give me I give my honest opinion, and what
Speaker 2: they do with it after that, it's none of my business.
Speaker 5: Really. I did one episode of two of those shows,
Speaker 5: and I got didn't get out of They said specifically,
Speaker 5: we don't want you back.
Speaker 6: I heard that phone call because you were in the
Speaker 6: car with me when your manager called to break the news,
Speaker 6: so I heard it. You were not very happy.
Speaker 5: I was. I was just like, I think that was
Speaker 5: what was going to happen. Those guys were trying to
Speaker 5: make me say same things. I didn't believe.
Speaker 2: Well, I just get that out of the way, right.
Speaker 2: Would I get an email from a production company asking
Speaker 2: trying to enlist me for whatever thing they have, that's
Speaker 2: the first thing I write back. But like IM just
Speaker 2: like like man, just so you know I do this.
Speaker 2: I take it very seriously. And you know, if you
Speaker 2: want me to toe the party line and say what
Speaker 2: the team wants me to say. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do it for you. But if you want someone who
Speaker 2: has a lot of experience in the subject with a
Speaker 2: real opinion, and you're interested in what that real opinion is, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm happy to work with you. We can talk further.
Speaker 2: Email me back if you choose, and I'll tell you
Speaker 2: probably less than half the time I get emails back,
Speaker 2: and that tells you something, right there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, I guess we can retown with that one.
Speaker 2: I think so we'll we hop to the next one.
Speaker 5: All right, let's there we go for our final one.
Speaker 5: It comes from Frank Pavlico message way back in grammar
Speaker 5: school in the late nineteen seventies. I remember having a
Speaker 5: pair of Buster brown bigfoot shoes. Well I don't remember those.
Speaker 5: Seeing pictures of on Google brings back fund memories because
Speaker 5: if you got the bottom of the shoe wet, they
Speaker 5: can be the big foot footprint. Oh I do remember that,
Speaker 5: which many of us thought was so cool. Did you
Speaker 5: ever own a pair of Buster brown bigfoot shoes or
Speaker 5: ever see them as a vintage item at the big
Speaker 5: Foot conference? I hoping they were at least a part
Speaker 5: of the acquired dress code of the Pigeons. I remember,
Speaker 5: I remember the footprint. I never had a pair, and
Speaker 5: I've never seen a pair at a conference.
Speaker 2: I remember the logo, but I never had a pair. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I definitely remember the Buster Brown logo. I hadn't
Speaker 2: even heard of that company in a long time. That's
Speaker 2: that's a blast from the past. Well he smokes, but no, no,
Speaker 2: I never had anything like that. I guess I wasn't
Speaker 2: as cool as I am.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: Was there a preferred footwear for the Pigeons?
Speaker 5: Bobes Parazzi's what are those? You know, Mexican salesmanbe with
Speaker 5: car tires and leather?
Speaker 6: Oh gotcha? Yeah, I figured there were some kind of
Speaker 6: flip flops.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that was the official footwear.
Speaker 6: Somebody was telling me a story the other day. Gosh,
Speaker 6: I wish I could remember who it was, because it
Speaker 6: was a mutual friend of ours. It's probably at squatch
Speaker 6: Fest because there were so many friends there. But they
Speaker 6: were like, yeah, I remember the first time I would
Speaker 6: in the wood with Bobo. That guy was wearing shorts
Speaker 6: and a tank top and flip flops in like the
Speaker 6: gnarliest back country in northern California.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought I wore for years and I were
Speaker 5: I just saw didn't start wearing shirt shoes until find
Speaker 5: a Bigfoot.
Speaker 6: Thank you for your sacrifice.
Speaker 2: Remember how you went in for getting fit one day
Speaker 2: and you found out you've been wearing the wrong size
Speaker 2: shoes for years and that's why your feet hurt all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I found out I was a fourteen. I did
Speaker 5: ever tried them on. I just it was like, I'm
Speaker 5: a thirteen. I was a thirteen for hour, So I
Speaker 5: just kept saying thirteen, and I was shoes. Why people
Speaker 5: wear shoes? They suck, they hurt, And I was like
Speaker 5: forty years old that tried on a pair of fourteen's
Speaker 5: were like, oh whoa, this is crazy. This is why
Speaker 5: people wear shoes. It's a game changer. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You could walk across almost anything in these things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's pretty amazing. They were those boots. You said
Speaker 5: they were boots, right.
Speaker 6: Buster brown Bigfoot shoes. So I hadn't heard of this
Speaker 6: before my time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a deep cut in like late sixties
Speaker 2: early seventies thing.
Speaker 5: I think. Yeah, those would have been too dorky for me,
Speaker 5: even if they weren't big related.
Speaker 6: That's what I was waiting for. I thought when I
Speaker 6: asked you what the pigs were. But we're too cool
Speaker 6: for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we wouldn't wear something like that, No way.
Speaker 2: I can't climb a tree in those shoes.
Speaker 5: You get dog piled wearing something like that on the playground.
Speaker 6: But now you know, if you see tracks like that,
Speaker 6: you'll be like, that's Frank Pavlica.
Speaker 2: Yeah, got our eye on you, Frank. I'd love to
Speaker 2: get a pair of those for the museum, though I
Speaker 2: won't wear them because I don't want to get beat
Speaker 2: up by Bobo.
Speaker 5: So no, I've told him nowadays.
Speaker 6: I think Bobo has plenty of reasons to dog pile
Speaker 6: both of us. Yeah, straight, the shoes would be the
Speaker 6: least of our worries.
Speaker 2: That's why we do the podcast remotely. Yeah, well you know,
Speaker 2: before we go speaking of dogs in general, Bobo. Yesterday
Speaker 2: was Sochi's birthday, eleven years since Tyler found her in
Speaker 2: the woods. She was three, No, she was probably one.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was her rebirthday, yeah, yeah, her after birthday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a whole new life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tyler found her tied to a tree yesterday, eleven
Speaker 2: years ago in northern California while looking for Matt Moneymakers
Speaker 2: so we could film him doing the solo camping trip
Speaker 2: on that Bobo's Backyard episode of Finding Bigfoot and.
Speaker 5: Wendacer was at least a two and a half hour
Speaker 5: drive away in the whole separate part of the town.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like a hot tub or something, if I
Speaker 2: remember right, somewhere else. Didn't tell him, But luckily he
Speaker 2: wasn't there, because otherwise I wouldn't be blessed with Soshi.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's old.
Speaker 2: But good her back legs or she's a little wobbly
Speaker 2: in her back legs nowadays and stuff. And then she's
Speaker 2: of course all gray in the face, but so is
Speaker 2: her dad, so it doesn't matter. But she's she's laying
Speaker 2: around here somewhere. She's the I wish they could just
Speaker 2: be old dogs longer. You know, old dogs are the best.
Speaker 5: Ye cool.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's such a blessing in so many ways. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so she's around here somewhere. We got her, of course,
Speaker 2: we showered her with gifts and she has no idea
Speaker 2: what's going on, but we sure enjoyed it. Got her
Speaker 2: little toy puzzle sort of thing that we hide food
Speaker 2: inside and she takes it because she's a smart dog.
Speaker 2: She likes stuff like that. Got our new blanket and
Speaker 2: she immediately fell asleep on it, which is awesome. And
Speaker 2: of course various ummy treats and that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: I guess that's we're done.
Speaker 2: We're done. We're done with this episode. But now we
Speaker 2: go answer our members questions, and of course there's fewer
Speaker 2: members and our regular listeners, so we answer every single
Speaker 2: question that the members submit. Maybe you want to be
Speaker 2: a member, in which case you know, I strongly encourage it.
Speaker 2: Of course, go to that link that Matt Poot will
Speaker 2: put in the show notes.
Speaker 5: All right, folks, well that's it another episode of Bigfoot
Speaker 5: and Beyond. Clift and Bubba and a little bit of Matt.
Speaker 5: Thanks a lot for joining us, and we'll see you
Speaker 5: guys at pitch on our fellow pigeons over there. So
Speaker 5: until next week, you all keep it squatchy.
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