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<v Speaker 1>Big food and be on.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bubo.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are your favorites, so like Shay, subscribe and raid.

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<v Speaker 3>It five stock and.

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<v Speaker 2>Day listening watching lim always keep its watching.

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<v Speaker 4>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing, sir?

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<v Speaker 5>Pretty good about how's it going with you?

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<v Speaker 2>All right? Just kind of dealing with adult drums of

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<v Speaker 2>a winner. This is the second week in a row

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<v Speaker 2>that I have not been out to the woods. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to walk around in the snow and not

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<v Speaker 2>say it just stows a bum out man. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>can take the boy out of California, but you can't

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<v Speaker 2>take the California out of the Boy, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 5>So you can't go like down like five hundred feet somewhere, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go to the spots that I know

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<v Speaker 2>or produce. Right right, there's probably everything down loads, got

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<v Speaker 2>people on it. I'm sure snow, it's not into the

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<v Speaker 2>snow and cold. I'm ready for spring, man, I'm ready

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<v Speaker 2>for spring, getting out there in the muddy roads and

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<v Speaker 2>walking around and find them some Sasquatch friends and getting

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<v Speaker 2>all squatchy man.

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<v Speaker 5>Can't wait, it's coming, It's coming. I guess we got

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<v Speaker 5>our few and A today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Well, so this is our normal sort of

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<v Speaker 2>monthly Q and A thing that we do. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>we're taking questions from you, our listening audience, and if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to submit a question, the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, of course, is go to that link that

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Prout will put in the show notes, which is

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<v Speaker 2>basically our website, and you can push the contact button

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<v Speaker 2>and send us a question. Or if you're really really

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<v Speaker 2>cool or exceptionally cool, I suppose you can leave us

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<v Speaker 2>a voicemail because there's that option on the website as well,

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<v Speaker 2>bigfit Beyond podcast dot com, and you can actually talk

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<v Speaker 2>to us and well, we're not going to answer you

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<v Speaker 2>because we're not on the phone with you, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can leave a message for us on the voicemail and

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<v Speaker 2>then maybe you can hear your voice on BIGU and

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<v Speaker 2>Beyond with the Cliff and Bobo and Matt. Just like

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<v Speaker 2>this first question that's going to come up right now,

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<v Speaker 2>Matt hit.

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<v Speaker 6>It and actually this one's not a quick question, and

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<v Speaker 6>it was a nice compliment, but who brought a smile

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<v Speaker 6>to my face? And so I thought I'd bring a

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<v Speaker 6>smile to you guys too, so we'll put it here

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<v Speaker 6>for the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, clever brother, my name's James rob New Orleans and Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have a sash March down here, but we've

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<v Speaker 3>definitely got the work, so we've got that going for us.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to reach out and say thanks to

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<v Speaker 3>you guys, because you guys actually made me feel less

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<v Speaker 3>crazy when I found your show. You guys were on

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<v Speaker 3>and loved it made me feel like this a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more other people out there who do believe and actually

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<v Speaker 3>want to believe and improve the existence.

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<v Speaker 6>Of this animal.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the most important thing to remember is we're

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<v Speaker 3>all great ages and if there's another member of the

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<v Speaker 3>family tree World, welcome to the family. Just makes the

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<v Speaker 3>Thanksgiving dinner even better. I think your show's brilliant. I

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<v Speaker 3>love the podcast keeps me entertained and listening from working

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<v Speaker 3>to home and home to work each day of my

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<v Speaker 3>journey so far, I do enjoy listen to you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>You bring a very logical and cynsical argument to the

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<v Speaker 3>whole Nomanna and I just want you guys and find

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<v Speaker 3>it because they give down the groundwork and you've done

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<v Speaker 3>the legwork, and thanks a lot for your time. I

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate the show, and I'll keep listening. As Bobo says,

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<v Speaker 3>keep it squatchy, speak to you later.

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<v Speaker 5>But that's Cloit New Orleans accident accent, there is it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, let me start right away, James by correcting you.

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<v Speaker 2>There are sasquatches down there.

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<v Speaker 5>There are.

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<v Speaker 2>There are absolutely sasquatches in Louisiana. Bobo saw one there

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<v Speaker 2>I believe.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah I did, I did. It was right on

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<v Speaker 5>the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, yes, yeah, So there are sasquatches there, so

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<v Speaker 2>don't write off those woods quite yet. So that's I

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<v Speaker 2>think the first comment. But thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>the kind words. Really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>You can go back and listen to the episode with

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<v Speaker 6>Danny from Louisiana. If you want to hear about Bobo siding,

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<v Speaker 6>go back in our old episodes and find the one

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<v Speaker 6>that says Danny from Louisiana and you'll get a kick

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<v Speaker 6>out of Bobo's story.

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<v Speaker 5>But you don't. Got our six year anniversary coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Up in May, I think, right May May fifth.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's only three months or whatever, but it's coming up.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we started recording in January February, so for us

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<v Speaker 6>it's been six years, but for the audience, yeah, it'll

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<v Speaker 6>be Cinco de Mayo is when we launched the first episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh and do you remember the good old days when

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<v Speaker 2>we're thirteen episodes ahead? Oh my goodness, I do what

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<v Speaker 2>a luxury? Now we're now we're zero ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we got that. We've got a question or more

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<v Speaker 5>platitudes being a lot of honus.

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<v Speaker 6>Here's a good question for you, Hi, Cliff, Matt and

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes Bobo.

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<v Speaker 5>This is Barren.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a longtime fan, first time caller, fat Cliff. I

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<v Speaker 7>even met you in San Francisco once at an event

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<v Speaker 7>and you were even talking to Bobo on the phone. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 7>my question is, I know you guys are big fans

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<v Speaker 7>of books. You talk about all the books we should read,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's kind of hard to read a book while

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<v Speaker 7>on the treadmill. We're working out, and that's where I

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<v Speaker 7>like to watch a lot of videos. I was wondering

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<v Speaker 7>if you had a list of videos or movies that

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<v Speaker 7>you like to watch or Sasquatch related. Anyway, keep up

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<v Speaker 7>the good work, and also, Bobo, i'man trying to get

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<v Speaker 7>a hold of you to see if you'd be interested

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<v Speaker 7>in a paid gig to Bluff Creek this July.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me know. Thanks bye. Yeah, okay, I did see

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<v Speaker 5>that message I got. I gotta go back. I got

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<v Speaker 5>so much stuff to go through. Is that there a

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<v Speaker 5>fireball pass? So I got like thirteen fourteen hundred messages

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<v Speaker 5>or something like that. So I'm just going back to

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<v Speaker 5>trying to answer as many people as I can. It's

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<v Speaker 5>a task. But anyways, yeah, I'm in so yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>get back to that guy for sure within this week.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was did you have a question?

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, yeah, yeah, A couple of things to say.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, yeah, you must have been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>when we did that the thing at the Balbo Theater

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<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco. That's the only gig I can think

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<v Speaker 2>of in San Francisco itself that I've done in the

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<v Speaker 2>last ten years. That was a lot of That was

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun actually, And of course I was

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<v Speaker 2>probably talking to Bobo on the phone, because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we do. In fact, we did. I used to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to Bobo so much on the phone we decided to

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<v Speaker 2>make a public and do a podcast about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember that Cliff, you give me direction how to

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<v Speaker 5>get there and word to part. I was so blowed

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<v Speaker 5>out of that kind of because I was so epic. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Kai used to do that one, and Kai got really

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<v Speaker 2>into it for a while. Don't know what. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>talked to Kay in a while, but he pops up

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<v Speaker 2>like every year or two, just out of the blue,

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<v Speaker 2>and it comes and graces his you know, our lives

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<v Speaker 2>with his presence and makes us all laugh for a

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<v Speaker 2>few moments and it completely disappears for the next eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>months or something like that. Love the guy. Yeah, But

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<v Speaker 2>as far as your question goes, he's saying that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a lot of time for books because he's

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<v Speaker 2>always running on treadmills and he wants to know if

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<v Speaker 2>there's any movies that he can watch or whatever that

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<v Speaker 2>be informative on the treadmill. And my first answer is

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<v Speaker 2>what about books on tape?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, books on tape. I'm going to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>books again if I can, just because books it's so

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<v Speaker 2>much more effort to bs in a book in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, don't get me wrong. There's plenty of nonsense

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<v Speaker 2>books out there and terribly formatted ones, and some one's

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<v Speaker 2>of spelling errors, and some that people didn't even write

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<v Speaker 2>you know, either, you know, like a I wrote, or

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<v Speaker 2>ghostwriters wrote in all the other stuff, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind the ghostwriting things as much. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of nonsense in books even nowadays. But i'd

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<v Speaker 2>say for the most part, stick with books, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>books on tape while you're on a treadmill or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing driving is a great way to use your time.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're set on watching movies, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I have anything for you.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he specifically said videos, and so I would direct

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<v Speaker 6>you to the North American Bigfoot Centers YouTube channel, which

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<v Speaker 6>I will link in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 5>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 6>There's another technology too, like if you're not in a

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<v Speaker 6>position where you can like sit down and watch something

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<v Speaker 6>on a screen, but you want to take in information,

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<v Speaker 6>it's sort of like similar to the radio or audiobooks.

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<v Speaker 6>They're called podcasts, and I would highly recommend those. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't listen to any of those either, though, well I

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<v Speaker 6>listened to lots of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You listen to this one like three times a week? Yes, No,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are I would say, you know, I love

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the small town monsters documentaries. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they cover a lot of cryptids, and so some of

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<v Speaker 1>those things, you know, I don't watch because I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>not as interested in the cryptid, but they make great content. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>once again, North American Bigfoot Center has great video content.

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<v Speaker 1>Sasquatch Archives, that's a great channel. But there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>great long form interviews with people like doctor Jeff melderm

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<v Speaker 1>or John binder Nagel that are on YouTube, or old

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<v Speaker 1>Grover Krantz lectures. I mean, there's still a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>good academic, scholarly content on YouTube. They're just not in

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<v Speaker 1>the form of like produced videos. They would either be

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<v Speaker 1>long form interviews or public presentations, and so that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I would recommend if you're not listening to certain podcasts

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, I know you mentioned audiobooks. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of great audiobooks that you can find on relevant subjects,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's not a whole lot of Sasquatch oriented audiobooks,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least not ones that I would recommend to

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<v Speaker 1>come to mind because a lot of the classics are

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<v Speaker 1>not in the audiobook format unfortunately. So now Meldrum's book is,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, Krantz Green a lot of the classics

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<v Speaker 1>are just not yet, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 6>I do. Someone texted me the other day to say

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<v Speaker 6>that Sanderson's Abominable Snowmen Legend Come to Life is on

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<v Speaker 6>audiobook now, and he said the arrator is pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess it's like a real ery Dyke sounding British voice,

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like sa Anderson would have been. So I'll

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<v Speaker 6>have to go check that out. But if you have

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<v Speaker 6>Spotify Premium baron, there's tons of audio books there that

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<v Speaker 6>you can dig into.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I say, I was thinking movies, like,

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<v Speaker 2>are getting so old now that the information's kind of dated,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I don't watch anything. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't have the time and I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the interest. You know. It's not like I'm not interested

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<v Speaker 2>in the subject, but at the same time, I'm out

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<v Speaker 2>there doing it. You know, like, dude, tennis players watch

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<v Speaker 5>I have no idea. Yeah, i'd recommend something like I'll

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<v Speaker 5>get it another one and I'm like, I'll tell you one,

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<v Speaker 2>I do love the Sasquatch archives though.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it sounds like archives. I always recommend that we're

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<v Speaker 5>but that's not really He's not like posting that much.

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<v Speaker 5>But what like Twitter stuff. The guy that was with

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, And I know we're I feel bad for

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<v Speaker 5>anyone listening that we're skipping your sorde about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the show. This is Dale from Indiana.

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<v Speaker 9>I was just wondering if there's ever been like a

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<v Speaker 9>handprint or a footprint found made in blood from like

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<v Speaker 9>a kill site.

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<v Speaker 2>Love the show, guys, keep it up awesome, have a

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<v Speaker 2>good one.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks By. There's the screwboard from this kind of a print,

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<v Speaker 5>sort of that screwboard snow Grove Lake where they got

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<v Speaker 5>the original gena something they tried for a legimate science

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<v Speaker 5>Monster quest ros Monster Quest. Yeah that's the one I

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<v Speaker 5>know of.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's the only physical one I know. I've heard

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of stories, one in particular that was a

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<v Speaker 6>very compelling story, but no photos.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 6>It supposedly happened in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 5>What was it.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a gentleman who a friend of mine interviewed

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<v Speaker 6>the witness, and this was in Maryland, and the guy

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<v Speaker 6>was out raccoon hunting in a place that was sort

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<v Speaker 6>of like the area dump. It was a wild wooded area,

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<v Speaker 6>but people would dump like furniture and dead appliances and

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<v Speaker 6>things like that out there. So he was out coon hunting.

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<v Speaker 6>His dogs took off. He heard him going nuts. He

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<v Speaker 6>found them at the base of a tree, and he

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<v Speaker 6>shined the light up in the tree and there was

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<v Speaker 6>a branch sticking out horizontally parallel to the ground, about

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<v Speaker 6>six feet off the ground. And he said, standing on

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<v Speaker 6>that branch was a sasquatch and it was real close

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<v Speaker 6>to the trunk, and it had one hand on the

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<v Speaker 6>trunk of the tree, and when the guy shined the

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<v Speaker 6>light at it, it put the free hand up above

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<v Speaker 6>its eyes. And he said that when he hit it

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<v Speaker 6>with the light, you know, it put its hand over

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<v Speaker 6>its eyes. And the dogs were going nuts, and the

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<v Speaker 6>guy was kind of freaking out, taking in the whole scene,

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<v Speaker 6>and so he just screamed like shut up to the

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<v Speaker 6>dogs to get him to stop barking. He said what

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<v Speaker 6>he did. Interestingly, the sasquatch urinated all over itself, like

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<v Speaker 6>he had startled it or frightened it or something. And

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<v Speaker 6>then it leapt down and took off up the slope

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<v Speaker 6>and the dogs were chasing it. And he said he

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<v Speaker 6>was trying to follow the dogs up and he heard

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<v Speaker 6>this crashing sound in this big, you know, dead washing

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<v Speaker 6>machine came crashing down the hill, like an appliance that

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<v Speaker 6>was dumped out there. And he came home and told

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<v Speaker 6>his dad the story, and his dad didn't believe him,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, oh, you must have seen a bear or something.

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<v Speaker 6>And so he claimed he went out there with his

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<v Speaker 6>dad the next day and showed him that washing machine

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<v Speaker 6>and there was a big bloody handprint on it where

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<v Speaker 6>either they, you know, interacted with something dead, or maybe

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<v Speaker 6>the dogs had bitten it and it was bleeding or something.

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<v Speaker 6>But but again I didn't get to talk to the witness.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a friend of mine who did. But that

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<v Speaker 6>story is always stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 5>That is, that was sick with its that's pretty gnarly.

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<v Speaker 5>I can just imagine that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, especially the detail about it, like urinating almost in

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<v Speaker 6>voluntary early, like it was scared when the guys shouted

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<v Speaker 6>really loud. Yeah, apparently like hurled this washing machine like

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<v Speaker 6>a closed washing machine down the hill, or shoved it

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<v Speaker 6>down the hill or something.

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<v Speaker 5>I said. If there's chunk around like a junk yard,

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<v Speaker 5>they love those. They love that. Squatches love debris to

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, I have never heard of such a thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you think it would happen every once in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, I don't have a ton of reports

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<v Speaker 2>of sasquatch eating live or you animals or recently dead animals,

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<v Speaker 2>So you would think that there'd be more around there,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if some people I don't I personally don't think this.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they lean so heavily towards carnivorous habits, you

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<v Speaker 2>think there'd be some more of that stuff around. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think they tend towards plant diets with and augmenting

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<v Speaker 2>it with meat to a lot. But you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>there is only going after deer, as people say, then

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<v Speaker 2>you think there'll be a lot more of it.

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<v Speaker 6>But I just have not heard it.

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<v Speaker 5>So, yeah, some squatches on paleo diets, some vegetarian squatches.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, they're in the gamut. They're just regular people.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, prout, we can move on to the written questions.

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<v Speaker 6>So here is the first question.

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<v Speaker 5>This one comes from Quirky Tait. Hey, guys, longtime listener

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<v Speaker 5>and loyal member of the Royal Order of Honorary Pigeons.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember years ago some people took a mounted African

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<v Speaker 5>line to the planes of Africa to see what real

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<v Speaker 5>lines might do. I know, did they investigate, but they

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<v Speaker 5>even attacked it. I was curious if you have thought

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<v Speaker 5>of leaving Murphy or reasonable facimally outside me with a

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<v Speaker 5>pheromoh hip or camera, just see what the neighbors might do.

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<v Speaker 5>We've talked about it a ton. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>anyone's ever left a really good one like that out there.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean we've been like a ply with cutouts and

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<v Speaker 5>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But Tom Shade did something like that. He found a

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<v Speaker 2>very very cheap fur coat in I believe, at thrift

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<v Speaker 2>store somewhere, and he bought it and put it on

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<v Speaker 2>a mannequin and like left it out there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it went ignored for a while, and then eventually

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<v Speaker 2>they tore the crap out of it. He thinks they

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<v Speaker 2>are the ones responsible.

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<v Speaker 5>Who knows what.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually did it? We just don't know. But I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was tossed about and you know, and scattered and

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<v Speaker 2>all that other stuff. So I'd have to get verification

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<v Speaker 2>from Tom Shada to see if I'm correct on that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's but that's what my memory is telling me. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know how my memory is, it's not always one

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<v Speaker 5>So we know, we know it didn't fool that they

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<v Speaker 5>throw it apart. It was just kind of like, get

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<v Speaker 5>this damn thing out of here. Like it was like

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<v Speaker 5>they thought, we're beating up a fellow of sasquatch takeing

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<v Speaker 5>our territory. Sure, it was just annoyance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And trust me, if Murphy didn't cost thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars and was easy to carry around, I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>happy to leave it in the woods for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days. But that would be foolish of me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I think the only way you could fool

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<v Speaker 6>position like it had expired, Because I think if they

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<v Speaker 6>saw one just being static and inanimate for a length

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<v Speaker 6>of time, they'd know that something was up. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>I think they would be intelligent enough to be suspicious

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<v Speaker 6>of that. But I think if it looked like one

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<v Speaker 6>laying face down on the ground, they might come investigate.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what might be kind of fun to

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<v Speaker 2>do is going big footing dressed as a sasquatch, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>doing your thing, walking in small groups on trails he

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<v Speaker 2>had no lights or anything like that, and doing the

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<v Speaker 2>knocking and whooping and seeing what that kind of thing illicits.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if anyone's ever tried that.

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<v Speaker 5>We've done that?

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<v Speaker 3>Have we?

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<v Speaker 5>I have not? Yeah? Yeah, up in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Road woods dressed as sasquatches.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I've done the muggy seats a couple of times

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<v Speaker 5>where we did Gillie suits because we did it a

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<v Speaker 5>national park, because you're not gonna get shot in the

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<v Speaker 5>national park. No, it's hunting, there's no guns. Geat me careful.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, there's plenty of places I do it like,

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<v Speaker 5>not worried about it, but doesn't seem to have worked

424
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<v Speaker 5>all that great so far for people I know that

425
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<v Speaker 5>have tried it. I've only had one person that said,

426
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<v Speaker 5>where the sasquatch got excited and it kind of fooled them.

427
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<v Speaker 5>It sounded like there are something at all that sound

428
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<v Speaker 5>like it. Just get a little more worked up. It's

429
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<v Speaker 5>the same thing. They stay out of the way, they

430
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<v Speaker 5>stay hidden. They might throw some pebbles or something and

431
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<v Speaker 5>break some branches, but nothing really out of the ordinary.

432
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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of anybody doing that that's interesting. I

433
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<v Speaker 2>could see how like one or two people walking on trails,

434
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<v Speaker 2>just hiking in the dark dress of sasquatches might come

435
00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:09.039
<v Speaker 2>up with something interesting eventually. And of course the problem

436
00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:10.440
<v Speaker 2>with that is that you just don't know if the

437
00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.480
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch is there. They are very rare, and they're not

438
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<v Speaker 2>all over the place. They're not always watching you. Despite

439
00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:16.480
<v Speaker 2>what a lot of people say and all that sort

440
00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:18.480
<v Speaker 2>of stuff, they're just usually not there.

441
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<v Speaker 5>Is the fact of the matter. The one we had

442
00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.599
<v Speaker 5>had dimming lights. We had two little red diode lights

443
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<v Speaker 5>for eyes. You get dim, right and dim.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Was that that cardboard cutout we tried in Virginia.

445
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<v Speaker 5>That was the plywood Oh okay, right right, let'men worned

446
00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.920
<v Speaker 5>a couple of times. I worred a few times. There's

447
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<v Speaker 5>probably no biglits around anyways, who knows. We got no

448
00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:43.680
<v Speaker 5>reaction to the discernible at least you'd be warm. Yeah, yeah,

449
00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:46.319
<v Speaker 5>that's true. Yeah, we've thought about it. We've definitely thought

450
00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.319
<v Speaker 5>about it. We did great. If you have some big

451
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<v Speaker 5>like the Mountain from Game of Thrones that came with

452
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<v Speaker 5>a you know, good squatch costume because they look a

453
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<v Speaker 5>lot more believable. Well there's little ones, yeah, true that.

454
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<v Speaker 8>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

455
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<v Speaker 8>Bobo will be right back after these messages.

456
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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's go on the next question.

457
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<v Speaker 5>Then.

458
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<v Speaker 2>This is from Dennis Martin and he asks it seems

459
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<v Speaker 2>that there are a bunch of Bigfoot festivals popping up

460
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<v Speaker 2>all over the country nowadays. If you had time and

461
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<v Speaker 2>the means for three a year, which would you go

462
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<v Speaker 2>to as a patron not a presenter? Thanks and love

463
00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, especially Bobo's story Time. That should be a

464
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<v Speaker 2>book in itself.

465
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<v Speaker 5>The festivals, man, I love a lot of I like

466
00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.559
<v Speaker 5>almost all of it. Really dig cryptod cons always a

467
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<v Speaker 5>top dog for me. Squatch Fest up in Washington, you

468
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:46.440
<v Speaker 5>guys just did.

469
00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got to look at who's speaking. And also

470
00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:50.680
<v Speaker 2>there's different flavors of these things too that you have

471
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<v Speaker 2>to consider. Like there's the festivals. You know, if you're

472
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<v Speaker 2>gonna go do a festival one, I'd go do Hawking

473
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<v Speaker 2>Hills or something like that because but then they have

474
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<v Speaker 2>speakers too. But that's more of a family event that

475
00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:03.359
<v Speaker 2>you could just go to and it's huge, like tens

476
00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.279
<v Speaker 2>of thousands of people show over every year. If you're

477
00:21:05.319 --> 00:21:09.519
<v Speaker 2>talking just speakers, I'm with Bobo's squatch Fest and Cryptid

478
00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Pawn and the Ohio Conference always knocks it out of

479
00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:14.720
<v Speaker 2>the park. Yeah, I mean those are the ones that

480
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<v Speaker 2>off the top of the.

481
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<v Speaker 6>I think he means conferences like any sort of Bigfoot

482
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<v Speaker 6>event at all. I don't think he's differentiating between conferences

483
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:25.640
<v Speaker 6>and festivals. That's how I would break it up. It's like,

484
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<v Speaker 6>if I wanted to go see speakers and interact with them,

485
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<v Speaker 6>I would choose the Ohio Conference because it's an intimate setting.

486
00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:36.079
<v Speaker 6>Everyone's under one roof, it's very speaker oriented, there's great

487
00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:39.880
<v Speaker 6>vendors there. It's small, kind of a you know, first come,

488
00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:42.359
<v Speaker 6>first serve because it's a small number of tickets, so

489
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.039
<v Speaker 6>it's a little more exclusive in that way. If I

490
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<v Speaker 6>wanted to go to a festival, yeah, there's a lot

491
00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:50.039
<v Speaker 6>of those around that are great like Cliff mentioned Hawking Hills,

492
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<v Speaker 6>or like the Smoky Mountain Festival in Townshend. In terms

493
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<v Speaker 6>of like a big conference, I think Marty and Nicky

494
00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.279
<v Speaker 6>Pippen organized excellent conferences, whether that's the Smoky Mountain Bigfoot

495
00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:02.319
<v Speaker 6>Conference with the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference. So that's the

496
00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.640
<v Speaker 6>three sort of styles I would pitch.

497
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<v Speaker 2>You can't really go wrong with any of the two

498
00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:10.200
<v Speaker 2>or three Tennessee festivals either. There's two or three of

499
00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.920
<v Speaker 2>them out there, and all of them are pretty good,

500
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:15.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, as far as big festivals go, you know,

501
00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:17.519
<v Speaker 2>booths and families and all that stuff.

502
00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, if you're looking to get a bunch

503
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:23.000
<v Speaker 5>of bigfoot swag, those ones are great. An Ohio conference

504
00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.559
<v Speaker 5>is good for speakers and schwag and or you know,

505
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:31.440
<v Speaker 5>merchandise Bigfoot related paraphernalia. Yeah, Ohio has got it all.

506
00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:35.519
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, Marty and Nicky's they're gather yeah, gatherup events.

507
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:37.799
<v Speaker 5>The ones they put on Smoking Mountains in Florida, those

508
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.160
<v Speaker 5>are top notch for the big ones. And yeah, I

509
00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:44.039
<v Speaker 5>love the Kentucky I mean, god, yeah, Tennessee's got some

510
00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.519
<v Speaker 5>big anythink Lea and gender is always really fun, really good.

511
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Crypto Con kind of has the same feel as

512
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.079
<v Speaker 6>Ohio because everyone's under the same roof, so it's a

513
00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:56.680
<v Speaker 6>real social event for multiple days, and there's amazing vendors there,

514
00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.599
<v Speaker 6>and you know, a lot of speakers. They cover a

515
00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:00.759
<v Speaker 6>whole lot of subject matter too, so it's not just

516
00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.160
<v Speaker 6>sasquat related speakers.

517
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<v Speaker 2>A couple of things worth mentioning though, is that I'm

518
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.240
<v Speaker 2>pretty excited about two particular festivals this year. I happen

519
00:23:09.279 --> 00:23:11.039
<v Speaker 2>to be speaking at both of them. That's why I'm

520
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.119
<v Speaker 2>aware of them. One is coming up real shortly here

521
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:17.400
<v Speaker 2>in April. I think it's on April eleventh or that weekend,

522
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.519
<v Speaker 2>whatever the weekend around the eleventh is, and it's the

523
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Mountain hood Sasquatch Festival. It's a brand new one. It's

524
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>never been done before. But you know, this part of

525
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the country doesn't have a lot really. I mean there's

526
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:30.119
<v Speaker 2>a couple here and there. There's a Squatch Fest is

527
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the big one of course, has in January. There's the

528
00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Ocean Shores thing. Whenever that is, I think it's usually

529
00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:38.160
<v Speaker 2>November or October or something like that. There's not a

530
00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.039
<v Speaker 2>whole lot out here, though, considering it's a Pacific Northwest.

531
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:46.119
<v Speaker 2>So these folks are getting together one in April, which

532
00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:47.480
<v Speaker 2>is a cool time of year to be up here

533
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.400
<v Speaker 2>because spring's in full forest and all the trees are blooming.

534
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:52.640
<v Speaker 2>It is beautiful up here that time of year. It's

535
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:54.319
<v Speaker 2>going to be a little wet, probably because it's a

536
00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest cptral, but it's up on Mountain Hood. It's

537
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.720
<v Speaker 2>on Mount Hood itself, so that's kind of exciting thing

538
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.640
<v Speaker 2>because this is a super squatchy area, of course. And

539
00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:06.599
<v Speaker 2>I know that the speaker lineup this year is pretty great.

540
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And it's not because I'm on it, you know, like

541
00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to go herebody else speaks because it's Doctor

542
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Meldrum I'm speaking, of course, and Mark Mercel is speaking

543
00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and Michael Freeman. You can't ask for a better lineup

544
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.519
<v Speaker 2>for speakers than those four, I think, you know. And

545
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:23.200
<v Speaker 2>then we're all friends and it's going to be great.

546
00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:26.720
<v Speaker 2>And there's another one that I'm looking forward to in

547
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the fall. God, I think it's September. I'll get the dates,

548
00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and you know what, it gets a little bit closer,

549
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll be sharing with people. It's out in New York,

550
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.400
<v Speaker 2>though it's in New York and there, you know, so

551
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 2>it's not all the way up in Whitehall, and it's

552
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:41.319
<v Speaker 2>not all the way down in like the city either,

553
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>as somewhere between from what I understand. And I know

554
00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:47.279
<v Speaker 2>that the organizer for the IHAO Bigfoot Conference is helping

555
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:48.480
<v Speaker 2>out with that one, so it's going to be a

556
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.039
<v Speaker 2>very well run event, and I'm looking forward to that

557
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:54.400
<v Speaker 2>one too. And I know I know doctor Meldrum's on

558
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:56.319
<v Speaker 2>that one, and I'm on that one, and I think

559
00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.119
<v Speaker 2>they have another local person representing, but I don't know

560
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:01.880
<v Speaker 2>who that is. I forget and I don't know, but

561
00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:03.400
<v Speaker 2>when it gets closer, I can share a little more

562
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 2>about that.

563
00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's good to clarify because we've mentioned in a

564
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:08.319
<v Speaker 6>few times, but we've gotten a lot of emails and

565
00:25:08.319 --> 00:25:10.519
<v Speaker 6>people asking for the details. So I've been responding to

566
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:12.559
<v Speaker 6>those one at a time, saying, well, it's a new festival,

567
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.319
<v Speaker 6>so they don't have a website or social media presence yet,

568
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.480
<v Speaker 6>and as soon as those things are launched, they'll be

569
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:19.599
<v Speaker 6>put in the show notes and talked about more in depth,

570
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.440
<v Speaker 6>so folks don't email me.

571
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Narrowing it down to three is kind of hard, because

572
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, there's a lot of good ones, and it

573
00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:29.200
<v Speaker 2>depends what you're looking for. It really depends what you're

574
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.960
<v Speaker 2>looking for. Some people go to one of these outdoor

575
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.599
<v Speaker 2>festival things and aren't happy because they brought their their

576
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 2>notepad and they want to sit inside and take notes

577
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.720
<v Speaker 2>and learn stuff. And sometimes the other is true, like

578
00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:42.160
<v Speaker 2>people think, oh, close a boring speaker because blah blah

579
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>blah or whatever, because all he talks about is bigfoot

580
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and I want to see chochkeys.

581
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.880
<v Speaker 5>Para CON's cool up in Michigan. It's all indoors and

582
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:50.559
<v Speaker 5>that big casino.

583
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Although to be fair, that one isn't really a bigfoot

584
00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.759
<v Speaker 2>oriented at all. In fact, when I'm speaking up there,

585
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.160
<v Speaker 2>like I feel like I'm the outcast because I'm up

586
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.119
<v Speaker 2>there talking about you know, field biology a bigfoot, and

587
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:05.519
<v Speaker 2>everybody's going like, but don't they talk to you in

588
00:26:05.559 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 2>your head? And are paranormal? Aren't they interdimensional? And it's

589
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.359
<v Speaker 2>like no, no, And then like I feel like I

590
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:11.880
<v Speaker 2>let the air out of the room every time I'm there.

591
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 5>So I went there twice and it was like the

592
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.559
<v Speaker 5>bick red for Lyle. There's you know, it's like half

593
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 5>bigfoot people. I guess they went way more of the

594
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 5>paranormal is that sells more tickets.

595
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. In fact, I'm not going to tell

596
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 2>you who it is, but what there there is a

597
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.359
<v Speaker 2>paranormal bigfooter who told me that they went paranormal because

598
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 2>they have more money. It's like, oh, that's not wow,

599
00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that's not good. That's not good for the subject. It's

600
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:40.599
<v Speaker 2>not the only reason that this person went paranormal. But

601
00:26:40.839 --> 00:26:43.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's you say, oh, there's just so much

602
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.599
<v Speaker 2>more money in the UFO community or whatever. So it's like, well,

603
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I guess if you're into it, as long as you're

604
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 2>into it, as long as you're being honest to yourself

605
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.200
<v Speaker 2>about it and that you really care about the subject,

606
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't really care what you do, you know, honestly.

607
00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>But it's the posers that boil my kurds agree, Yeah, all.

608
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:00.640
<v Speaker 5>Right, well that's yeah. So there's there's there's a lot

609
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.160
<v Speaker 5>of good festivals and conferences out there. Estes Park's another

610
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 5>fun one.

611
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm done that one this year too. Actually, yeah,

612
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>that's three in a row I'm gonna do. I mean

613
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the Mountain Hood Festival. Then the following weekend I'm in

614
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Estes Park, Colorado, which is beautiful. It's just a beautiful

615
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>It's an outdoor festival, and it snowed last year from

616
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.440
<v Speaker 2>what I understand, so I mean they do it anyway, though,

617
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 2>I guess you're tough sort of folks living at you know,

618
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 2>eight thousand feet into the snow and whatever else. But

619
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a beautiful little town and super fun. I love

620
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that festival. I've I've only done it once. It was

621
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 2>two or three years ago, maybe four, I don't remember.

622
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.039
<v Speaker 2>But I'm looking forward to that one. And then of

623
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>course the week after that, which brings us into the

624
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>first weekend of May, I'll be at the Ohio Bigfoot

625
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Conference once again. So I keep going back to that one,

626
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:44.920
<v Speaker 2>so I must love it.

627
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.200
<v Speaker 5>What I did at Estes Park, it was the high

628
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 5>was twenty six degrees that day. It was outdoors, and

629
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<v Speaker 5>it was a little bit of wind blowing. It was

630
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<v Speaker 5>pretty brutal.

631
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<v Speaker 6>Ouch ouch.

632
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 5>It was beautiful. It was fun.

633
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward

634
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<v Speaker 2>to all three of those events. I'm sure after three

635
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.559
<v Speaker 2>gigs in three weeks, I won't be looking forward to

636
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.960
<v Speaker 2>any other ones for a little while until I can rest.

637
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 6>We get these kind of questions, surprisingly often. Given the

638
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 6>fact that we discussed this a lot, I usually don't

639
00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.759
<v Speaker 6>throw them in there, but since we do, get him

640
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 6>off and I figured it'd be good to address one.

641
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.160
<v Speaker 5>This is some Tyler McMahon, Hi, Cliff, and Bobo. I

642
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 5>wanted to ask if you guys were still in contact

643
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 5>with Matt Renee Greetings from the UK. I haven't talked

644
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 5>to him either, one of them months since last summer.

645
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been less than that for me. I mean,

646
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Renee was at Cryptocon in November. I think I've gotten

647
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 2>a text from her since November. But in general, it

648
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>seems that the habit, the pattern that has developed is

649
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 2>that I probably have some sort of contact, whether speak

650
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 2>to her on the phone for twenty thirty minutes or

651
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 2>texting or something with Renee every two to four or

652
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>five six months somewhere in there.

653
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:56.680
<v Speaker 5>You know.

654
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's more frequent, sometimes it's more Yeah, but something

655
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Every couple of months, it seems that

656
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm in contact with Renee, just catching up or something

657
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 2>like that. Matt is a little bit more often because

658
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Matt and I talk about bigfoot stuff, you know, Renee's

659
00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I just talked about like whatever, you know, whatever's going on.

660
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.559
<v Speaker 2>But with Matt it's usually bigfoot stuff. He'll call me say, hey,

661
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 2>there's a siding up here, can you want to check

662
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 2>it out? Or you want it? Or this or that

663
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 2>or his son lives up here. Now Leo, moneymaker lives

664
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 2>up here. So I've just played with Leo, played some

665
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.119
<v Speaker 2>music last week with Leo. So you know, I check

666
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 2>in with Matt every once in a while. And although

667
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I have to admit this is probably the longest it's

668
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>been since I've spoken to Matt in quite a while.

669
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 2>I bet I haven't spoken to Matt since maybe around

670
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Christmas time or something like that, you know, because it's

671
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>not really Christmas without a money maker in your life,

672
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess. But yeah, so I guess it's kind of

673
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a long I guess I Mat a phone call. That's

674
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>what it comes down to, too.

675
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 5>He oes we want.

676
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but yeah, we do get those kind of questions often,

677
00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 6>even though I know if someone were listening to all

678
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 6>the episodes, you know there's there's updates from both of

679
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 6>you about Matt and Renee fairly frequently, but it's good

680
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.119
<v Speaker 6>to just answer it in the question there.

681
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.400
<v Speaker 2>And we're always getting new listeners as well, so I

682
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's good to revisit some of these questions that

683
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 2>keep popping up.

684
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 5>Right. Oh.

685
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely.

686
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.759
<v Speaker 2>The next question here comes from Denny s. And his

687
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>question is do you have any updates on the study

688
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.440
<v Speaker 2>being done by Derby or cut any idea when the

689
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 2>study will be published?

690
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:23.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

691
00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Actually, I'm in contact with Darby fairly frequently. Again,

692
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it's been a little while for me now, I think

693
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it's been two weeks since I've spoken to Derby, But

694
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.799
<v Speaker 2>I speak to Derby rather regularly about a couple of

695
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.200
<v Speaker 2>different things that are going on. But just to clarify,

696
00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not a study, it's a lot of studies. It's

697
00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things going on, and Darby is very,

698
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 2>very tight looked about it, as well as he should be.

699
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.559
<v Speaker 2>I know the stuff that I'm involved in personally, and

700
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I know very little about anything else, and he likes

701
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it that way, and I respect his privacy because he's

702
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>doing some high level stuff and he's got to be

703
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 2>extraordinarily conservative about it because if he does get positive

704
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>results and we can nail this thing down, everybody from

705
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>every different direction is going to call him a liar,

706
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 2>a hoax, or this and that and stuff. And he

707
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 2>has to have absolutely bulletproof evidence, and part of that

708
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:15.880
<v Speaker 2>is NDA's and secrecy and all that sort of stuff.

709
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.279
<v Speaker 2>But again, I do speak to Derby a fair amount,

710
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and the last several times I've spoken to him, he

711
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>has brought it up himself. I didn't poke him at it.

712
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>He brought it up himself that he will be looking

713
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>for a time to come back on to Bigfoot and

714
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 2>belong to talk about updates and progress and things that

715
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>he is allowed to talk about. So we are his

716
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>first stop. This microphone right here is his first stop

717
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 2>when he is willing to say and when he's able

718
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>to share anything. And he says he is constantly barraged

719
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 2>by emails both good and bad and whatever else. And

720
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.400
<v Speaker 2>science takes a long time, a very very long time

721
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>when done right. So I just like encourage the entire

722
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot community that is listening right now to hold your horses,

723
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>relax a bit, breathe deeply, get yourself a beer, you know,

724
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 2>take it easy. Things are happening, really cool things are happening.

725
00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I can absolutely promise you that it's just going to

726
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 2>take a while. It might take another year or two

727
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. But Darby, again, I've been talking

728
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>to Darby since probably November about him coming back on

729
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 2>the show, and he keeps bringing it up to me,

730
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 2>so I know it's going to happen. Also, so while

731
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Darby, he is, from what I understand,

732
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 2>he's planning on being out here on the West coast.

733
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 2>So you can look forward to very likely having Darby

734
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.720
<v Speaker 2>as a special presenter at the North American Bigfoot Center

735
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.440
<v Speaker 2>when he's out here. We're kind of targeting July at

736
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>this point. You know, we'll see what his schedule actually

737
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 2>is because a lot of you know, everybody's got a schedule,

738
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>and most of the time it's out of our control, right,

739
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>but we're kind of talking maybe he'll be out there

740
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>out here in July, which is a glorious time to

741
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.599
<v Speaker 2>be in the Pacific Northwest. Of course, so I look

742
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>forward to show in Darby some of my locations that

743
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been working out there. He wants to see them,

744
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:05.920
<v Speaker 2>he wants to see some prints in the ground, et cetera.

745
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, as far as updates, the only stuff I

746
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>know is what I'm involved in. And if Darby's not

747
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 2>ready to talk about it, then I'm clearly not ready

748
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>to talk about it either, but I will say it's cool.

749
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.519
<v Speaker 2>There's some really interesting stuff going on, and that's just

750
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 2>what I personally am involved in.

751
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 5>You know.

752
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 2>And I'm one of many many facets in the gym

753
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.839
<v Speaker 2>that is this bigfoot study right now. And also while

754
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about this, I might as well clarify some

755
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.160
<v Speaker 2>more stuff. Darby is not a scientist. I think everybody

756
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.160
<v Speaker 2>needs to know that. He has a degree I think

757
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 2>in library science. I guess that's a science, you know,

758
00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 2>you know. But at the same time, that's not his

759
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.519
<v Speaker 2>job description here. He's not doing the analyses. He is.

760
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:54.319
<v Speaker 2>His job description literally is interdisciplinary project coordinator. He gets

761
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>this department to talk to that department that they usually

762
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.480
<v Speaker 2>don't talk back and forth between, right and say, hey,

763
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>there's a thing. I think you have some skills that

764
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 2>might benefit this thing I have, and you over here

765
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.880
<v Speaker 2>in this department you also have things that might be

766
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 2>useful for this particular thing, this bigfoot thing, or what

767
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:13.440
<v Speaker 2>this unidentified sample. And he gets them to start talking

768
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>back and forth, and he gets scientists, real scientists who

769
00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.119
<v Speaker 2>have put very very niche skills to say, hey, that

770
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 2>sounds interesting. I'd like to try my skill set at that,

771
00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 2>and that's what Darby is doing. He's not doing the analyses,

772
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.559
<v Speaker 2>he's not doing all that. He is getting people to

773
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:32.960
<v Speaker 2>talk to each other and organizing it all.

774
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 6>He's like Nick Furry to the Avengers.

775
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I said, yeah, exact, there you go, there you go.

776
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.960
<v Speaker 2>And this isn't by the way, this also isn't the

777
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>only project that he's doing. You know, the university isn't

778
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>hiring just for this one thing. He has a fair

779
00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:50.320
<v Speaker 2>number or at least a small number. I don't know how

780
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>many projects of this size he can anybody can swallow, right,

781
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.119
<v Speaker 2>but he has a fair number of other projects that

782
00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 2>are not in any way related to this, to biology

783
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>or you know, identifying samples or any He's got a

784
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 2>lot on his plate. And this bigfoot thing, even though

785
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:05.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean I think it's by far the most interesting,

786
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>I think he's very very interested in it as well.

787
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 2>That's just one of several meals on his plates right now.

788
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>So patience is what I would recommend everybody. I mean,

789
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 2>who's going to be more excited about hearing than than

790
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like Bobo madd Andi, Right, and we're just hanging out waiting,

791
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>So everybody else can hang out and wait too, even

792
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:26.119
<v Speaker 2>if even if he has samples of yours, And I

793
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>know that several people out there listening have sent samples

794
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.840
<v Speaker 2>in because I've spoken to you about it. It relax,

795
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>it's cool. Every sample will be addressed. Everybody will get

796
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 2>an answer. It just may not be in your timeline,

797
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't matter. Your timeline doesn't matter the scientific timeline,

798
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the slow, methodical, conservative scientific timeline.

799
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 5>At least two more years. Who knows, Well, that's what

800
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.039
<v Speaker 5>Jarvis said. Yeah, I mean, befreaking like through definitives, gonna

801
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:57.119
<v Speaker 5>be like two three years.

802
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 2>We'll see, we'll see, man, who knows? I mean, I

803
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 2>know they were going to start testing some stuff in November.

804
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I remember, And I don't know. I don't know where

805
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 2>or what or how or you know, if their hair

806
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>or blood or fair. I don't know anything about any

807
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 2>of that. But I know that there is some testing

808
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 2>going on in November, so I'm sure they probably have

809
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>a lease of preliminary results by now. But then what

810
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Then you have to look at the preliminary results and say, well,

811
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>are these real or not? Are they true or what?

812
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:23.079
<v Speaker 2>What does it show us? Then you have to test

813
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 2>that and you have to sample it and you have

814
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>to get other people to get them. It's a slow

815
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:33.679
<v Speaker 2>it's an agonizingly slow project and process. So just everybody chill.

816
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>It's cool. But when Darby is ready, he promised us

817
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>he will come on here to talk about it with

818
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>you our listeners.

819
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 8>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

820
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 8>We'll be right back after these messages.

821
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:59.639
<v Speaker 5>Got Grace Cruise. Has there been any reports of animals

822
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.119
<v Speaker 5>bigfoot in the Caribbean or in Central America? I am

823
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:05.599
<v Speaker 5>a fan of the podcast from the Island of pr

824
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:09.880
<v Speaker 5>not the Caribbean, but in Central America of course. Yeah, Ecuador,

825
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:16.159
<v Speaker 5>I mean Nicaragua, Belize still has them, Guatemala, Mexico, Southern Mexico,

826
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 5>Northern Mexico. Gotten about five reports from Costa Rica, but

827
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure about those. I don't really heard anything

828
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 5>out of Panama. Yeah, Making an Afraid. The guy from

829
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 5>Making an Afraid talks about it. He had him outside

830
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.800
<v Speaker 5>his little sleeping hot at night, like repeatedly. He had

831
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 5>repeated encounters with it, even talked about it on the show.

832
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, there's a long history. And of course,

833
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>if they're in South America, which apparently they are. They

834
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 2>had to get there somehow, and it seems to me

835
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that Central America is probably the best way.

836
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

837
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:45.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think one of the best collections of reports

838
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:48.960
<v Speaker 6>from Central America is still in Ivan Sanderson's book, because

839
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 6>there's a very large section devoted to that, and there's

840
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 6>a lot of really good information in there too, which

841
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 6>is pretty funny considering that was nineteen sixty one and

842
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 6>there hasn't been a whole lot to add to that

843
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.239
<v Speaker 6>since then, at least in print book form. But that's

844
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 6>a resource I would point grace too.

845
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 5>I've said this before on the show, but when I

846
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 5>went down looking around there in Nicaragua, they all said

847
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:13.199
<v Speaker 5>that they had a lot of them up until the

848
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 5>Contra Wars in the eighties, and that after that somebody

849
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:22.800
<v Speaker 5>got blown up by mines and artillery and rocket far whatever.

850
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 5>Mostly they said land mines is what killed them all.

851
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:32.400
<v Speaker 5>Mostly they hadn't found God, this was food fifteen twenty,

852
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, this was twenty years ago. I was down

853
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.119
<v Speaker 5>there last time doing that. It had been fifteen years

854
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:41.000
<v Speaker 5>since they had any solid reports. In the meantime. The

855
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:44.360
<v Speaker 5>people I spoke to with the mountains, so I don't know,

856
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 5>they're still there, and they might have came back in

857
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 5>maybe since the war's went over for quite a while.

858
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 5>But they still have animals blow up up like cows

859
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 5>and horses and whatever once in a while a person even

860
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 5>because there were so many land mines left out in

861
00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.280
<v Speaker 5>the hilt during the war that killed a lot lot

862
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 5>of wildlife.

863
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I've directly spoken to witnesses from southern Mexico like Chiappas

864
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and Alisco and Michoacan and stuff in saying that they've

865
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>seen these things in the jungles. In fact, one of them, Bobo,

866
00:39:11.480 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 2>you were there. The guy who ran the taco truck

867
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 2>at wild Man Days out in Kentucky, he saw one

868
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 2>of these things, and he told me the story in Spanish,

869
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:21.119
<v Speaker 2>and I caught most of it. You know. Basically, he

870
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>and his friends saw this thing at a distance. He

871
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>was seventeen years old. They ran after it, and he

872
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 2>said they had no chance of catching up to it.

873
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 5>Of course, he told us where the cave was, where

874
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 5>it went into.

875
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember that part of it, but maybe I

876
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't remember that part of it.

877
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.159
<v Speaker 5>It was up going to the second biggest, the second

878
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.599
<v Speaker 5>biggest pyramid in Mexico whatever that was called. There's a trail,

879
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 5>it's like four kilometers, he said. About halfway up, they

880
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:48.400
<v Speaker 5>went about four hundred six hundred meters off the trail,

881
00:39:48.920 --> 00:39:51.400
<v Speaker 5>there was a cave that it ran into and disprited

882
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 5>in that cave, so someone could some of the poken

883
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:55.679
<v Speaker 5>would possibly look for it.

884
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 6>It's still hiding there to this day.

885
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, well they're they're down there there, down there

886
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 2>for sure, you know, just nobody seems to really be

887
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>paying much attention to it.

888
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.599
<v Speaker 5>I think at cheap of carbra stories, I guess. I

889
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 5>think I think a lot of cheaper I think that

890
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 5>stuff gets structured. I think everything gets ruptured with the

891
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 5>cheap of cabra, like oh it's a whatever, so it's

892
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:14.320
<v Speaker 5>the cheap of cabare.

893
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and also duendees and stuff like that, you

894
00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.079
<v Speaker 2>know that that kind of thing. And I don't know,

895
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It seems there's there's a lot of

896
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 2>mythology and folklore down there. Some of it's probably base

897
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.480
<v Speaker 2>in reality, but a lot of it just isn't, honestly,

898
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 2>A lot of it's based in superstition and whatever else.

899
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, there's none other pr we can tell you that.

900
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in Puerto Rico, I think that that your poop

901
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:37.679
<v Speaker 2>out of luck unfortunately.

902
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 6>All right, so here's the next question.

903
00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this one comes from Irma Calderon. Would you and

904
00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Bobo consider doing a one time TV special with all

905
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:52.960
<v Speaker 2>this new tech that is available. I'd consider it. I

906
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't jump on it, but i'd consider it if we

907
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.320
<v Speaker 2>had really good gear. Yeah, maybe it depends. It depends

908
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.599
<v Speaker 2>on what sort of assurances from the product company that

909
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.719
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't lie in mislead and stuff. You know, So

910
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing, you know, I would consider it, and

911
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:10.440
<v Speaker 2>then I would think about it. And if there's good tech, sure, Again,

912
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I am of the unpopular opinion around here that tech

913
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't going to solve this thing. But at the same time, yeah,

914
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.400
<v Speaker 2>they're fun to use. I don't think this is a

915
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 2>technology game anymore. I used to think that, but I

916
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 2>don't think that anymore.

917
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 5>So.

918
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 2>But I would definitely consider it as long as I

919
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>as long as the show I felt was respectful to

920
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.239
<v Speaker 2>the subject and did a good job conveying what really happened.

921
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 5>A documentary not a TV special, so that just implies

922
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 5>crap like an extended documentary like where we had like,

923
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, three months to use the gear. I mean,

924
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 5>because they the way they'd want to do is is

925
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 5>short and cheapest possible. To give us like one or

926
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.199
<v Speaker 5>two nights and say, oh, they tried this new equipment

927
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 5>didn't work. It'd be like, no, we don't have at

928
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 5>least ninety days to use it. Something like that. Like

929
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 5>documentaries more style.

930
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then I mean hate to burst anybody's but

931
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>but documentaries write out the storyline before they go film it,

932
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:05.920
<v Speaker 2>and they film you know, footage that fits the story

933
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, you know.

934
00:42:07.760 --> 00:42:09.079
<v Speaker 5>So I don't know.

935
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:11.679
<v Speaker 2>TV is a weird thing, man, Like I know, most

936
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>people get their their information about these subjects and probably

937
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other subjects just from television. But I

938
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's just such a reliable source. I just

939
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>really don't. And that's after working on lots lots of

940
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:24.880
<v Speaker 2>TV shows. So I don't know if I've got a

941
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:27.159
<v Speaker 2>love hate relationship with the TV thing. Of course, you know,

942
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I think I think that comes through by listening to

943
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the podcast. But it would be a special I've said

944
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.280
<v Speaker 2>this many times. It would be a very special TV

945
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>show to get me back on the screen now and

946
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 2>of course, I know.

947
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:40.039
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

948
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Somebody's out there and saying, yeah, have a clip. You're

949
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about this stuff on you know what is it

950
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>that show that I do? What is it called Proof

951
00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 2>Is out There? So yeah, well, I'm doing the Bigfoot

952
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:51.239
<v Speaker 2>stuff on Proof Is out There. And they throw me

953
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.639
<v Speaker 2>these other things that I have no idea about, and

954
00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:55.280
<v Speaker 2>I get to riff on them, and that's kind of fun.

955
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:55.880
<v Speaker 5>I enjoy that.

956
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 2>But the Proof Is out There, folks, they're legit, man, Like,

957
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about birds being telepathic and reading your

958
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:06.440
<v Speaker 2>mind and all that kind of stuff or whatever else

959
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 2>may be on that show. Because I've never seen an

960
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>episode of the show, I know some of the stories

961
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they have me and I look at are pretty funny,

962
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.559
<v Speaker 2>pretty funny, and I've busted some hoaxes. I mean, there's

963
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>puppets that are being trying to be passed off as

964
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.639
<v Speaker 2>various other animals and stuff, really funny stuff. And again

965
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what makes Sierra. I don't watch this

966
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:25.199
<v Speaker 2>stuff I'm in. But the producers on that show take

967
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>the Bigfoot thing really seriously, and some of them have

968
00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 2>become much more interested in the subjects since I started,

969
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 2>and I know doctor Meldrum's on there as well, his

970
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 2>faces on camera there. They've come up with some interesting

971
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot stuff, some of which I have not seen before,

972
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:40.719
<v Speaker 2>that I thought was pretty interesting, and they've never once

973
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.480
<v Speaker 2>asked me to push the truth. And they're more ridiculous

974
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 2>stories that I think nobody really believes or whatever. Because

975
00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 2>it's television. It's just for entertainment, right, they asked me

976
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.920
<v Speaker 2>to introduce it or whatever. But when I say, what

977
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 2>do you think about this cliff, I say, well, I

978
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>think it's nonsense. Of course I do, and I'm assuming

979
00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't make the edit. But they let me say it,

980
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and they never push me to do anything to honest,

981
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>and so I have I have great faith in the

982
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>producers of that show as far as they're honesty goes.

983
00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't know how the how the edit

984
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:09.800
<v Speaker 2>comes out. Again, I don't watch any of this stuff.

985
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, they've never steered me wrong.

986
00:44:12.639 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 2>They've never pushed me to be dishonest. And when I say,

987
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.159
<v Speaker 2>they say, can you say this, and I go no,

988
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that, that's ridiculous. But I can say this,

989
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and then I could say something truthful about it.

990
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 5>So again.

991
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.920
<v Speaker 2>But that's the only kind of show that I'm willing

992
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 2>to work with, the kind that let me be me

993
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and tell my truth as I see it and don't

994
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:33.239
<v Speaker 2>force me in anything. And so if you see my

995
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 2>mug on a TV that's that's what you're getting. But

996
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>as far as a series or even a one off

997
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 2>special or whatever that's solely focused around Bigfoot stuff, it

998
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>would have to be a very special TV show or

999
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 2>special or whatever to have me on it.

1000
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:47.119
<v Speaker 5>Again.

1001
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, people would also have to realize, like, when you

1002
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.199
<v Speaker 6>do that proof is out there, that's half a day

1003
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.119
<v Speaker 6>of your time, and there's no travel involved. It's not

1004
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 6>like you've got to clear your schedule for weeks and

1005
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 6>take multiple flights and haul out a bunch of gear

1006
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 6>year and you know, up end your entire life versus

1007
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 6>going and sitting down somewhere for half a day. You know,

1008
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 6>that's a huge difference of commitment.

1009
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I drive to Gresham. I

1010
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 2>show up at like nine point thirty or something like that.

1011
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Speaker 2>The crew is already there and they're set up. We

1012
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.000
<v Speaker 2>record until I'm done. I usually get out of there

1013
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 2>by like three or four or something, and then I'm

1014
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 2>back home. You know, and I cast her check, which

1015
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 2>is nice. You know, it's not a ton of money,

1016
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:25.599
<v Speaker 2>but it's a little I'll take it. It's great.

1017
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:26.159
<v Speaker 5>I love it.

1018
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 2>It's a great gig, and I like the people involved.

1019
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.039
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, they never pushed me towards dishonesty.

1020
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 2>They'd let me say what I want to say, and

1021
00:45:32.480 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 2>they give me I give my honest opinion, and what

1022
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.480
<v Speaker 2>they do with it after that, it's none of my business.

1023
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.920
<v Speaker 5>Really. I did one episode of two of those shows,

1024
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.400
<v Speaker 5>and I got didn't get out of They said specifically,

1025
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:45.599
<v Speaker 5>we don't want you back.

1026
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:49.079
<v Speaker 6>I heard that phone call because you were in the

1027
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 6>car with me when your manager called to break the news,

1028
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 6>so I heard it. You were not very happy.

1029
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 5>I was. I was just like, I think that was

1030
00:45:57.199 --> 00:45:58.880
<v Speaker 5>what was going to happen. Those guys were trying to

1031
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 5>make me say same things. I didn't believe.

1032
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just get that out of the way, right.

1033
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Would I get an email from a production company asking

1034
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 2>trying to enlist me for whatever thing they have, that's

1035
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the first thing I write back. But like IM just

1036
00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:12.320
<v Speaker 2>like like man, just so you know I do this.

1037
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I take it very seriously. And you know, if you

1038
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>want me to toe the party line and say what

1039
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the team wants me to say. I'm not going to

1040
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 2>do it for you. But if you want someone who

1041
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of experience in the subject with a

1042
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 2>real opinion, and you're interested in what that real opinion is, yeah,

1043
00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to work with you. We can talk further.

1044
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>Email me back if you choose, and I'll tell you

1045
00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 2>probably less than half the time I get emails back,

1046
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and that tells you something, right there.

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00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, all right, I guess we can retown with that one.

1048
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I think so we'll we hop to the next one.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, let's there we go for our final one.

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<v Speaker 5>It comes from Frank Pavlico message way back in grammar

1051
00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 5>school in the late nineteen seventies. I remember having a

1052
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:54.039
<v Speaker 5>pair of Buster brown bigfoot shoes. Well I don't remember those.

1053
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 5>Seeing pictures of on Google brings back fund memories because

1054
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 5>if you got the bottom of the shoe wet, they

1055
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 5>can be the big foot footprint. Oh I do remember that,

1056
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 5>which many of us thought was so cool. Did you

1057
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 5>ever own a pair of Buster brown bigfoot shoes or

1058
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 5>ever see them as a vintage item at the big

1059
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 5>Foot conference? I hoping they were at least a part

1060
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:15.119
<v Speaker 5>of the acquired dress code of the Pigeons. I remember,

1061
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 5>I remember the footprint. I never had a pair, and

1062
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 5>I've never seen a pair at a conference.

1063
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I remember the logo, but I never had a pair. Yeah,

1064
00:47:23.760 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 2>but I definitely remember the Buster Brown logo. I hadn't

1065
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.639
<v Speaker 2>even heard of that company in a long time. That's

1066
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>that's a blast from the past. Well he smokes, but no, no,

1067
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I never had anything like that. I guess I wasn't

1068
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>as cool as I am.

1069
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:34.239
<v Speaker 5>Now.

1070
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:36.519
<v Speaker 6>Was there a preferred footwear for the Pigeons?

1071
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:41.199
<v Speaker 5>Bobes Parazzi's what are those? You know, Mexican salesmanbe with

1072
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 5>car tires and leather?

1073
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 6>Oh gotcha? Yeah, I figured there were some kind of

1074
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 6>flip flops.

1075
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, that was the official footwear.

1076
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:52.119
<v Speaker 6>Somebody was telling me a story the other day. Gosh,

1077
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:53.599
<v Speaker 6>I wish I could remember who it was, because it

1078
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 6>was a mutual friend of ours. It's probably at squatch

1079
00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:57.800
<v Speaker 6>Fest because there were so many friends there. But they

1080
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:59.599
<v Speaker 6>were like, yeah, I remember the first time I would

1081
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 6>in the wood with Bobo. That guy was wearing shorts

1082
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 6>and a tank top and flip flops in like the

1083
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 6>gnarliest back country in northern California.

1084
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I thought I wore for years and I were

1085
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 5>I just saw didn't start wearing shirt shoes until find

1086
00:48:12.519 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 5>a Bigfoot.

1087
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:14.960
<v Speaker 6>Thank you for your sacrifice.

1088
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Remember how you went in for getting fit one day

1089
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.719
<v Speaker 2>and you found out you've been wearing the wrong size

1090
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 2>shoes for years and that's why your feet hurt all

1091
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 2>the time.

1092
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I found out I was a fourteen. I did

1093
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 5>ever tried them on. I just it was like, I'm

1094
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.119
<v Speaker 5>a thirteen. I was a thirteen for hour, So I

1095
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Speaker 5>just kept saying thirteen, and I was shoes. Why people

1096
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:35.639
<v Speaker 5>wear shoes? They suck, they hurt, And I was like

1097
00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:38.719
<v Speaker 5>forty years old that tried on a pair of fourteen's

1098
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 5>were like, oh whoa, this is crazy. This is why

1099
00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 5>people wear shoes. It's a game changer. Yeah.

1100
00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:47.159
<v Speaker 2>You could walk across almost anything in these things.

1101
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's pretty amazing. They were those boots. You said

1102
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 5>they were boots, right.

1103
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:54.840
<v Speaker 6>Buster brown Bigfoot shoes. So I hadn't heard of this

1104
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:55.679
<v Speaker 6>before my time.

1105
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a deep cut in like late sixties

1106
00:48:58.800 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 2>early seventies thing.

1107
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 5>I think. Yeah, those would have been too dorky for me,

1108
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 5>even if they weren't big related.

1109
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:06.440
<v Speaker 6>That's what I was waiting for. I thought when I

1110
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 6>asked you what the pigs were. But we're too cool

1111
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 6>for that.

1112
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we wouldn't wear something like that, No way.

1113
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't climb a tree in those shoes.

1114
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:16.360
<v Speaker 5>You get dog piled wearing something like that on the playground.

1115
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:18.480
<v Speaker 6>But now you know, if you see tracks like that,

1116
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 6>you'll be like, that's Frank Pavlica.

1117
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got our eye on you, Frank. I'd love to

1118
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>get a pair of those for the museum, though I

1119
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:27.639
<v Speaker 2>won't wear them because I don't want to get beat

1120
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 2>up by Bobo.

1121
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 5>So no, I've told him nowadays.

1122
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 6>I think Bobo has plenty of reasons to dog pile

1123
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:38.119
<v Speaker 6>both of us. Yeah, straight, the shoes would be the

1124
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:39.159
<v Speaker 6>least of our worries.

1125
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.039
<v Speaker 2>That's why we do the podcast remotely. Yeah, well you know,

1126
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:47.199
<v Speaker 2>before we go speaking of dogs in general, Bobo. Yesterday

1127
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 2>was Sochi's birthday, eleven years since Tyler found her in

1128
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the woods. She was three, No, she was probably one.

1129
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that was her rebirthday, yeah, yeah, her after birthday.

1130
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a whole new life.

1131
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Tyler found her tied to a tree yesterday, eleven

1132
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 2>years ago in northern California while looking for Matt Moneymakers

1133
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 2>so we could film him doing the solo camping trip

1134
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:15.519
<v Speaker 2>on that Bobo's Backyard episode of Finding Bigfoot and.

1135
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 5>Wendacer was at least a two and a half hour

1136
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 5>drive away in the whole separate part of the town.

1137
00:50:20.079 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't like a hot tub or something, if I

1138
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.679
<v Speaker 2>remember right, somewhere else. Didn't tell him, But luckily he

1139
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>wasn't there, because otherwise I wouldn't be blessed with Soshi.

1140
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, she's old.

1141
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:32.559
<v Speaker 2>But good her back legs or she's a little wobbly

1142
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.320
<v Speaker 2>in her back legs nowadays and stuff. And then she's

1143
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of course all gray in the face, but so is

1144
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 2>her dad, so it doesn't matter. But she's she's laying

1145
00:50:40.519 --> 00:50:43.280
<v Speaker 2>around here somewhere. She's the I wish they could just

1146
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>be old dogs longer. You know, old dogs are the best.

1147
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.760
<v Speaker 5>Ye cool.

1148
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she's such a blessing in so many ways. So yeah, yeah,

1149
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 2>so she's around here somewhere. We got her, of course,

1150
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:54.840
<v Speaker 2>we showered her with gifts and she has no idea

1151
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 2>what's going on, but we sure enjoyed it. Got her

1152
00:50:56.840 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 2>little toy puzzle sort of thing that we hide food

1153
00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 2>inside and she takes it because she's a smart dog.

1154
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 2>She likes stuff like that. Got our new blanket and

1155
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.599
<v Speaker 2>she immediately fell asleep on it, which is awesome. And

1156
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 2>of course various ummy treats and that sort of stuff.

1157
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.639
<v Speaker 5>I guess that's we're done.

1158
00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:14.679
<v Speaker 2>We're done. We're done with this episode. But now we

1159
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 2>go answer our members questions, and of course there's fewer

1160
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>members and our regular listeners, so we answer every single

1161
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:24.039
<v Speaker 2>question that the members submit. Maybe you want to be

1162
00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a member, in which case you know, I strongly encourage it.

1163
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Of course, go to that link that Matt Poot will

1164
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 2>put in the show notes.

1165
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.320
<v Speaker 5>All right, folks, well that's it another episode of Bigfoot

1166
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:34.920
<v Speaker 5>and Beyond. Clift and Bubba and a little bit of Matt.

1167
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 5>Thanks a lot for joining us, and we'll see you

1168
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 5>guys at pitch on our fellow pigeons over there. So

1169
00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:46.760
<v Speaker 5>until next week, you all keep it squatchy.

1170
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:51.639
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1171
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.320
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1172
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:57.679
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1173
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:59.159
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1174
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:00.000
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1175
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:03.800
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1176
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.239
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