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Speaker 1: Dire Way. Who is this, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, it's me. It's amid the Ruins, this guy

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who makes dire Way of Music. It's amid the Ruins

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and sense.

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Speaker 1: Dire Way Music.

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Speaker 2: What I've talked about in you know, probably one hundred

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articles of Jason Analysis is the implementation of the AI

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smart grit in the giant smart cities, which is what

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IBM talks about publicly building. And that's where we're going,

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and that's what I think we have to be really

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concerned about. So all of these tensions, they are for

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a long term strategy to basically get everybody moved into

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mega cities.

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Speaker 3: That's going. Are you guys doing? Come on, don't get

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pitchy now what you trying to start the show?

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Speaker 2: I perfected my Tony by the way, as you can see,

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I have perfected my Tony. My Polly. It's almost there.

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I got a little bit of ways to go with

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the Polly, but maybe we can work on our Polly tonight.

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Welcome everybody, This is Jason Elsis. We're going to be

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covering the Sopranos, as you know, long requested, long forgotten.

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I just avoided it, not on purpose, that's kind of

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like X Files. I always wanted to watch X Files,

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but I never got into it, and then I finally did.

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Speaker 4: I've never seen it either.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get you in here. You look better than me.

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Speaker 4: I spent an hour and a half trying to get

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nineties New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: Woman hair, so she looks like Adrian and.

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Speaker 4: I think that it is witchcraft because I cannot. I

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couldn't do it. This is the best that came out.

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I don't think they make hairspray like that anymore.

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Speaker 3: Come on, you look good, you look no problem my

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life tea.

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Speaker 2: All right, So before we get going here, thank you,

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Welcome everybody. We're gonna be covering the entirety of the Sopranos,

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the whole thing. I was gonna wear my white jacket

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over this just to be kind of mobster, but I

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decided that's a little too I look like Tony Montana.

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I don't look like Tony Soprano. Well you look like

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Adriana though, so that you work but look like Tony Monks.

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Speaker 4: That's actually one of the themes in the show The

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Sopranos is that they glamorize their own lifestyle by watching

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Goodfellas and Godfather and all the mobster movies, but the

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way that they are portrayed in the Sopranos is that

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it's not very glamorous. You know, Tony's just like an overweight,

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balding dude who lives in the suburbs and he's got

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suburban problems. He wears his bathrobe and he hangs out

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and eats ice cream at night. He doesn't really live

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this high powered, glamorous Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing with this show is that it's

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going to have elements of more realistic mafia type of

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living and lifestyle at the same time is having a

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lot of unbelievable elements because, as everybody knows, there's no

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way that a actual living, existing head of a family

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or a dawn would be going to a psychiatrist and

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telling her all of his problems. That would be the

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end of his career. He would be done. So that's unbelievable.

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But that's the fantasy fiction element of this is just

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the premise of the show, which is great, which is

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what if a mobster did actually go to a psychiatrist,

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a psychologist and unloaded all of his problems on her.

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What is your overall impression? So this came out, I'm

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going to give you my overall impression in you before

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we get into the details. This came out starting right

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at the turn of the millennium, So it's about ninety

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eight ninety nine when the first season starts, so it's

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a little bit before the Big Nine event. It's in

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many ways it's it's interesting to reflect on that time

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period right right before for the Big nine event. And

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this actually comes into the show, like they bring up

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the Big Nine event after it happens. It becomes kind

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of a side plot about some of the Arab guys

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Speaker 2: Places in relation to the Big nine event. Yeah, okay,

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super chats, so welcome. We got two hundred and twenty

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five nerds. There will be spoilers, by the way, so

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support through superchats, as you know, and we'll be reading

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those eventually and let me pull up that link. And

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then we got our trustee mods in the house. Shout

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But you can ask your superchat questions there. We're going

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to get into all of the different layers and elements,

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the geopolitical, the historical, the character studies, the archetypes, the

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literary references, the espionage references that come up, actually, the

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relationship with the FBI, this kind of stuff that all

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plays into this show in a masterful way. So my

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initial analysis is that when I started the show, I

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wasn't sure what I was getting into, and I didn't

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know what kind of a show it would be. And

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it's a genre defying show. It doesn't it plays on

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some of the Mafia tropes in film, but it also

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goes in directions you don't expect. It's very comedic. I

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didn't expect it to be really funny. A lot of

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the episodes are very comedic. Tony is very comedic. The characters,

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they're one liners, they're jokes, they're you know, making fun

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of each other. This is all kind of a staple

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of Mafia stuff. But it's played off really well. Some

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of the episodes are surrealist, which I didn't expect, especially

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Tony's dream sequences, which I thought were done very well.

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I didn't expect those in the middle of, you know,

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really serious mafia stories to have these kind of you know,

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surrealest dream sequences with talking fish and this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, they had a lot of philosophical questions.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and we we'll get into that too. So what's

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your initial overall assessment, Because it took me all the

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way through season one to really like it. I was

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still iffy at the end of season one. By the

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didn't initially get hooked. But sometimes the shows that you

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like the best, it doesn't initially you don't get hooked

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right away. Even songs, like the first time you hear

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a song, maybe you don't like it as much as

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show or episode in that season was set in the

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strip club, so it's not really a family show. But

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Speaker 2: Thinking, more unless you're from a prominent strip club lineage

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Speaker 4: But I think that's was one of the draws of

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an Sally is like, you don't see a lot of

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Speaker 2: What on TV? The Mafia on TV? Oh, well maybe

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show is a dramedy. I would argue it's a it's

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a tragedy. It's a comedic tragedy is really what this

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whole series is. Tony is a tragic figure in terms.

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Speaker 4: Of literally There's also an overarching question in the show

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is that can a psychopath be redeemed? Or is Tony

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a psychopath or a sociopath? For one? And can he

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help himself? For two? So I think we'll answer that

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question yes in the show.

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Speaker 2: And I do have some knowledge, just cursory of the

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whole realm of crime, syndicates and mobsters. It's because it

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ties into you know, Espiona's research research, uh, and so

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there are different kind of theories and analysis as too.

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known families as you know or may not know. There's

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you know, the Five Families. There's other families connected to

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those families, other syndicates and whatnot connected to Sicilian mafia

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and so forth. So you know, you've probably heard of

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figures like John Gotti or the Colombo family or these

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kinds of people. So this is sort of loosely referencing

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some of those families. And some of the analyzes that

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on Di Cabocante because of the waste management So they

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actually had a front that was a waste management business.

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That's Tony's business. When you start the show, we don't

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exactly know how Tony is really making all his money.

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that sequence where they go to Italy and they he

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meets with that hot Italian chick and he tries to

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sell you know, her cars and whatnot. So we know

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they're stealing cars and shipping them off for another price

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in Europe, and but there's other things that they're doing.

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go ahead, yeah, well, the.

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the show. It's just kind of in the background of

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his own psychological dramas and relationships.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's this as all good stories are.

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or this is about the character. It's about the it's

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a character study. Everybody's character arc is pretty fascinating. It's

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you get into the characters, which it's it's not easy

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to draw an audience and to the characters, especially when

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they're bad guys. And I think that that's the good

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point the difficult part of a movie, and that's probably

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why mafia movies are successful, is because they they're able

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to the good ones, are able to get us to

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feel sorry for, empathize with and understand how somebody comes

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to be that way and live that kind of a lifestyle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was one of the first kind of anti

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heroes and TV, so he kind of paid the way

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for characters in like Breaking Bad.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, I never thought about that. Yeah, that's a great point.

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the beginning Tony is going to a psychiatrist. As he said,

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if you watch the famous kind of YouTube videos that

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are going around of Michael friend ZC who's the a

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former mob boss. I don't remember what family, But you know,

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he's he gives an analysis of different mobster movies, and

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he says that that's the most unbelievable aspect of this

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whole series, is the whole idea of going to see

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a psychiatrist. So, but this is a fictional series. We're

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going to set that aside. We're going to suspend our

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disbelief for a moment and just figure out what it

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would be like if this did happen. And so what

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happens is, of course he's immediately kind of at the outsets,

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prescribed prozac, and the most important symbolic sequences in season

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one that our call it's been a while since I

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did season one, but is when he sees different animals

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and the ducks. So the ducks are the most important

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thing in season one because they're hanging out in the

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pool and Tony, for some reason, feels this kind of

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association and attraction to these ducks. I'm not exactly sure

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what the connection of the ducks is, except that perhaps

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they signify an omen because as we know, the series

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is going to end in a certain way, and the

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maybe at the end of season one, he season flying,

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but they don't come hang out anymore, and there will

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be multiple animal references, nature references throughout the show where

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the animal sequences basically signify I think Tony as a

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force of nature. Tony is a kind of an agent

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of death. He's an angel of death. And the other

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unbelievable suspension of disbelief aspect to the show that we're

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going to encounter with Tony is that he never loses,

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He never gets busted, he never gets caught. He escapes

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out of everything. He's He wins, wins, wins, winning, right

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all the way until the last season. Then we start

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to get the intimations, the omens that pop up, the foreshadowing,

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the presignifiers that it's not probably going to go that

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well for Tony in the final season. Don't forget the horse.

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starts having these associations and deep connections with animal symbolism,

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animal forces, the forces of nature. This is for multiple reasons.

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why I think Tony has this deep connection to nature

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and to animals, because it will all be basically explained

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in the final season, and a lot of the recurring

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symbolism you want to pay attention to. This will be

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key because as you watch the series now, looking back,

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knowing what happens at the end, you can see a

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lot of the clues that were being laying so that

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you could understand and interpret the final episode, and in fact,

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the beginning of season six, the first episode is the

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pre signifier of the final episode. So the season is

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basically just going to kind of lay it out on

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the table in a lot of symbolic correspondences and clues,

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so you're gonna know by the final season what's going

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on here. We got most people obviously speculating in the chat,

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so feel free to leave your super chats and I'll

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read those if you want to. But so now let's

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get into it. So it's waste management. She's talking to

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the to the woman, this annoying I can't stand this woman.

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It was the whole time I was like, please stop

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going to this annoying psychiatrist She's the most annoying person

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in the series, next to Janice. Okay, Janice and the psychiatrist.

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I cringe. They're revolting people I can't stand.

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Speaker 4: And the mom.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. They're all equal, they're all equal.

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Speaker 4: The actress who played this psychiatrist was supposed to play

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the wife she wanted the psychiatrist.

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Speaker 2: Which is that because that actress plays Rayleiota's wife and Goodfellas.

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probably why she was up for that role.

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Speaker 4: Sopranos shares twenty seven total cast members with good Vellas WHOA.

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So they're very closely linked. And it's interesting to study

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the mob because the way that they operate is how

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the Illuminati operates.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're another mafia exactly.

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Speaker 4: And so the families of the Illuminati they also fight

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with each other. They're not all on the same yes

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page about areas.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the big elite, the top of the pyramid,

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is who in the modern period will displace these other families, right,

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they will come to be the chief mafia. And really

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what we're watching in the Sopranos on a big geopolitical

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scale that I'll get to is that displacement, right, the FBI,

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the CIA, They're mentioned very clearly at the end of

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the of the show in season six. That's the big MafA, you,

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the big geopolitical mafia that is essentially going to squeeze

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out any of these lower less, lesser rival families or mafia's.

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elite are structured in this way. It's just that these

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families are not going to be at the table in

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the new world order. And that's why we're witnessing with

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Tony the end. That's another reason why spoiler alert, it's

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a tragedy. Tony represents the older way of doing things,

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like even his whole attempt to kind of preserve Little

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Italy or the Italian culture in New Jersey where he's at.

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When he doesn't want to sell certain stores to Jamba

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Juice and the big corporate stuff. He wants to to

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thanks to say the way that they are, but it

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doesn't work. Tony is going to be ousted by bigger mobsters.

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That's the key.

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Speaker 4: Well, there is one episode where they go to some

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kind of Starbucks or something to shake down them for

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their neighborhood protection money, protecttection money, and the guy that

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works there is like, I can't do anything. I'm just

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a manager. There's corporate and they're like, what if we

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bust your windows?

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Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, we gotta come by and bust out a

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few windows.

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Speaker 2: He's like, all right, corporate will just replace something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll just replace me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll let you have a little bit of fists.

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He's like, yeah, they're just gonna fire me and put

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somebody else in here, dude. So, by the way, if

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you watched Fargo season two, that is the exact same

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thing in Fargo season two because the black mobster guy, right,

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if you remember, he goes and threatens that corporation that

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comes in and the corporation just laughs at him. He's like,

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he's like, maybe I got to come in here and

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bust a few computers up, and they're like, corporate head

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office will just send us three new computers the next day.

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It's like it's not gonna do anything.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, who's the bigger gangster? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So this is those families getting displaced eventually by

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the big mafia, and the final season will kind of

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make reference to who that big mafia is, and it's

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not who you think, right, It's essentially like CIA type people.

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That's the big mafia that's going to come into the

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picture here. And I got a chakra for you. Guess

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who and why that big mafia displaces this mafia. Well,

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because there used to be an alliance between these two mafias.

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Did you know that? This is the famous book, famous story,

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And in fact, it will be referenced in season six.

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The FBI agent will talk to Tony about Tony's families, right,

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the families connected to Tony that actually helped the Allies

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and protected Lucky Luciano and different characters during World War

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Two as a result of alliances between the CIA and

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the Sicilian mafia. This is well known. Have been many

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many times in history where the mafia and the CIA

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have linked up, and the problem is that the loyalties

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of the CIA are not the same as the loyalties

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of the families, and so eventually the CIA mafia will

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screw you over. So that's the meaning of the show

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basically towards the end on the geopolitical level, but we're

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gonna hold that off until we get to the end.

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Let's talk about some of the references in season one

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that I didn't expect. If you remember, there are interactions

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between Tony's family and the Jewish mafia, and so there

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is a hotel that they're kind of squabbling over, and

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the Jewish mobster refers to Tony as a gollumn, which

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I thought was a wild sort of cabalistic reference because

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they're sort of ortho. They look like Hasidic. I guess

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they're Hasidic Jews that are connected to the Jewish mafia.

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They had a with Tony, it didn't go right, and

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this is how we see Tony gaining that hotel at

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the beginning. So this on the mafia level, what Tony

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is doing throughout the first few seasons is basically acquiring

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more businesses through mafia tactics. So he gains that hotel,

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he burns down Artie's restaurant and then helps Artie basically

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rebuild it and ends up eventually with a stake in

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Artie's restaurant. If you remember Robert Patrick the T one

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thousand or two thousand, whatever it is, I remember dogget

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Agent dogg It from X Well. Doggett is a gambling addict,

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and so Tony notices profiles. This gets him in on

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this big gambling game. Lets him in, but he warns,

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hmmy son, I told.

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Speaker 3: You you're not ready for this. This is above you.

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You're not ready for this game yet. This is a

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big game here.

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Speaker 2: And oh, Tony, let me in.

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Speaker 3: I want to play with the big guys.

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Speaker 2: I want to. I want to. And it's because he's

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got who's the famous singer his son as they're playing

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cards with him. Yeah, Frank Sinatra Jr. Is literally in

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the show playing cards with Tony and agent dogg At

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Robert Patrick Great from x Fells, who's just this normy

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boomer dad. He's like, you know, let me let me

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in there, Tony, I want to. I gotta play poker

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with the Frank Sinadra Junior. That sounds awesome, and then

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he ends up losing everything because he's a gambling addict.

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So what I'm saying is that Tony is a master profiler,

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so he knows people's weaknesses and he knows how to

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get what he wants through people's weaknesses. This is again

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possibly why you could have the CIA and the mobsters

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linking up, because they have common types of interest. They

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know how to profile people, they know how to find weaknesses.

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So he knows Dogget or Robert Patrick, the character has

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this weakness and he gets them basically to forfeit the

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entire business that he owns. He owns this giant sporting

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goods store and then Tony just comes in and takes

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it over. You want me this now? This is my story?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's one of the themes in the show is

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that can he be health through therapy or is he

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just a sociopath who is learning tricks to manipulate people better.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is a key point that I didn't expect

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and that's not revealed until the end, which is that, yes,

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we're not sure what the therapy is going to do

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with Tony, and basically it just it falls apart, right,

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It's just a way for him to, like you said,

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better become a profiler. Yes, so he learns tactics.

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Speaker 4: He's learning more about human psychology, not because he wants

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to be a better person, but because he wants to

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be better at manipulating yes, well and acting like he

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has feelings.

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Speaker 2: And the way to understand this, and the way that

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you know this is the case is when you notice

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in the later seasons all the references to Tony like

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a general Tony sees himself as a soldier. He makes

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the reference many times.

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Speaker 3: He says, you know with soldiers, with soldiers, Okay, this

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is a war with soldiers. People for that flat family.

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He sees himself as a soldier. He's constantly watching war documentaries.

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He's watching war shows on the History Channel. He's studying generals.

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If you notice he's watching Ramel right, how Rama. Tony

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references son Zoo. And then when Pauli and other people.

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Speaker 2: Said, it's like, that is son Tazoo. Don't you read

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son to Zoo, And he's like, it's sun Zoo, you idiot,

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when Christopher and Pauli have their rivalry. But but yeah,

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that's because Tony sees himself as a general. And in fact,

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I'm gonna make the argument perhaps that this is a

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literary reference to the notion of transmigration of souls or

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being reborn literally reincarnation, because any of the great literary

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works that we typically think of from the Greeks, especially

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somebody like James Joyce and Ulysses, it has the theme

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of reincarnation, and most of the time pagan literature does that.

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It falls back on that. So there are I think

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these kind of subtle references too. Is Tony a reincarnated

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general And in fact, somebody in the chat made a

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good point that when Tony's beating up the Jewish mobster,

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he's wearing a Roman sandals. He looks like a Roman.

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Speaker 4: Well remember when he throws away that horse painting and

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Polly has it repainting a general as.

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Speaker 2: An American general, and when you probably didn't see the sequence,

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but there's a sequence when he goes to Italy and

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he meets with that woman who's the de facto dawn

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of the family because the dad's old, the hot chick.

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He has a dream where he's sleeping with her and

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he's dressed up as a Roman soldier a general. Okay,

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so there's a lot of references to Tony as a warrior,

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as a general, and even he brings it up.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk about the nihilism for a second, because that

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or do.

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Speaker 2: You want to well, yeah, I do have that on here.

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But so what I did was I went, I went

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season by season. So there's gonna be can we hold

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off on that and let's go to.

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Speaker 4: What also thought would be fun is we could go

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character by a character.

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Speaker 2: And do a character study. It would be, but they'll

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problemse that I did my notes like from season one up. Okay,

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so what I began to notice in season one was

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the manipulative tactics of the mother. I mean, Tony's problems

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do stem from his parents. I mean that is clear.

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So there are gonna be psychoanalytical points in the show

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that are true. His mother is a super master narcissist manipulator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So at the very beginning, the therapist diagnoses the

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mother through the stories of Tony that she is borderline

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narciss's personality. Fun fact about her.

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Speaker 2: You know my mother, she would she never loved me.

472
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Speaker 4: She was a really good villain. She was one of

473
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those characters that you love to hate. But the actress

474
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actually had cancer throughout the whole time she was filming,

475
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and she died before her character died, and they had

476
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to use old footage and CGI to make up the

477
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last scenes of her.

478
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that. But yes, she actually enjoys torturing

479
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,000
and manipulating Tony. This is why Tony is who he

480
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:31,799
is in part. Now. Obviously the dad played a role too,

481
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but his dad was a flanderer. His his dad was gone,

482
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his dad was out partying and doing mob stuff. So

483
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the mom was kind of stuck home alone raising the kids,

484
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and you know herself was this sort of just arch

485
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manipulator and was just really cruel. The cruelty of the

486
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mom is kind of overwhelming and shocking because she plays

487
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up this character of the innocent little granny so well.

488
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She's she's always is appealing to her victim status. Yeah

489
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you put me in that home, you live up there,

490
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right and you got palace, you in this home. You

491
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don't want me?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's the classic like old lady narcissist,

493
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like you don't love me, you.

494
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Speaker 2: Don't love me. Yeah, you put me in this home

495
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to doyle alone.

496
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Speaker 4: And then her daughter, his sister kind of inherits that

497
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victim mentality.

498
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Speaker 2: Yes, Janie is just as just as manipulative, but not

499
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very good at it. She's terrible. She's not very smart.

500
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,759
So Janice Tony got all the smarts. In fact, I

501
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think their reference one or two times that Tony is

502
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believed to have or may have a genius level i Q,

503
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so we know Tony's super super smart. Janis got nothing.

504
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,240
She got no looks, she got no intelligence. She's just

505
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a dumb, fat bitch. Basically, she does have.

506
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Speaker 4: That Rolling Stones tattoo.

507
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Speaker 2: She does have a large Yeah Stowe's tattoo on her

508
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:09,319
pancake flappy giant breast. Right, I can't say there's just

509
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:14,000
three characters that are gonna irritate you so bad. It's

510
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:18,799
the Mom, Janice for me, the psychiatrist, I couldn't stand her, uh,

511
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,920
and Richie. Ritchie will be the the the worst annoyance

512
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
of villains for the first couple of seasons and he

513
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:33,319
will end up marrying Janie ironically. All Right, so we

514
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find out that the Mom is the chief archetype for

515
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,160
manipulating and traumatizing Tony. We're even told that Tony is

516
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traumatized yea.

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Speaker 4: Even to the point where she tries to put.

518
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Speaker 2: A hit on Yes, she wants to kill.

519
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,519
Speaker 4: Tony and tries to get the uncle.

520
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: And Junior Junior gets in on it. And that's because

521
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,160
they're They don't like the They resent the fact that

522
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:04,640
Tony is intelligent, Tony can run things. Junior is envious

523
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,279
and van glorious. He wants to be the mob boss,

524
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:10,839
but he's kind of incompetent. He's he's in a way,

525
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,640
he's smart and wise, but he's not good at running things.

526
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Tony is good at running things, and that's why he

527
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,720
fulfills the role perfectly. But Junior resents him for this

528
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,359
his older uncle because he's able to run things, and

529
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,839
so they just kind of let Tony's really smart about this.

530
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,880
He lets Junior be the figurehead who can take the

531
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fall when they get arrested, right, and Junior goes to

532
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jail and Tony's fine, and then Junior fin finally figures

533
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,200
out that this is what Tony let him do, which

534
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,640
was kind of genius. Actually, I was.

535
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:44,519
Speaker 4: Listening to psychologists talk about the characters and they said, actually,

536
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,359
Junior exhibits more narcissistic traits than Tony because he cares

537
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,839
more what people think about him, and he'll actually kill

538
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,359
people just so he doesn't have to look bad.

539
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Speaker 2: That's a good point. Yeah, remember, if you want to

540
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support us, we've got to suit a couple of super chats.

541
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,160
We got three hundred and sixty nerds in the chat

542
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,599
tonight Welcome. We knew this was gonna be a good show,

543
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,319
so maybe we can get up to about four hundred

544
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:13,720
pretty soon here, But hopefully you're enjoying this. There's references

545
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,359
to the mom castrating him. I thought this was interesting

546
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,079
that the psychiatrist tells Tony that your mom was a

547
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,759
master manipulator. She has helped train you to be who

548
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,599
you are. She has emasculated and castrated you. So she

549
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:31,440
kind of interprets a lot of Tony's delusions and hallucinations

550
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,400
in relationship to the trauma that the mom inflicted on him.

551
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,519
And I think a lot of that's true. It's just

552
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:40,160
that as we're going to see as the series progresses,

553
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:46,640
this goofy psychiatrist woman's solution, they don't work, and the pills,

554
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,079
the lithium, the prozac, which is all referenced in season one.

555
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:53,000
This is when prozac was brand new, right, so they're

556
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,799
referencing Tony's on prozac. They don't do anything.

557
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Speaker 4: This is also the beginning of big pharma.

558
00:33:58,359 --> 00:33:59,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

559
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you've got Prozac, lithium, viagra, new drugs coming

560
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,119
out and they are all being experimented on, right.

561
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

562
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Speaker 4: And there's an interesting scene where the psychiatrist says, I

563
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,599
think I've done everything I can with you in talk therapy,

564
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,039
and we need to implement this new phase of your

565
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,039
healing or whatever, and he's just not into it because

566
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,719
he just likes just talking to her. He thinks that

567
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,440
this is going to change him without him having to

568
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,559
do any of the work.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we begin to see in season one the mom

570
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,039
is actually the real villain. In season one, the other

571
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,840
mobsters are mad that they hear about Tony going to

572
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,039
the shrink. They laugh about it. The mom says, isn't

573
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that a Jewish thing? She says, that's a Jewish racket, all.

574
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Speaker 4: That treatment that one of the characters tries to go through,

575
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the other characters make fun of him for it. Remember

576
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:15,199
when Christopher tries to get sober, mock him continually for it,

577
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and anybody who wants to.

578
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Speaker 2: Well, this is a theme in the show right when

579
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,360
it's a question of who are you? I mean, are

580
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,079
you born to what you are? Are you? Are you

581
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born to fate? Is Tony destined to be Tony? Can

582
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they change? And this will come up when Carmela, Tony's wife,

583
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goes to see a Jewish psychiatrist at one point, and

584
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then she goes and talks to multiple priests, so she

585
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,719
tries to unload and kind of get advice for how

586
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,679
to handle these problems. And she's trying to figure out

587
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,440
can someone like Tony change? That will be one of

588
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,639
the major themes in the show. As you said, we'll

589
00:35:56,679 --> 00:36:00,000
be waiting throughout all six seasons and we're wondering, Okay,

590
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:03,159
is this gonna be Tony's downfall? Is this person gonna

591
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:06,960
be Tony's downfall? Tony finally gonna get what's coming to him?

592
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Or is he still gonna somehow miraculously skate around all

593
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,880
of this and get away with it? Uh? And is

594
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he actually gonna start changing? And they do a good

595
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:20,360
job with In a few instances, Tony does do the

596
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,079
right thing. He does start changing. He doesn't sleep with

597
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,480
the real estate agent, right, he holds off, he doesn't

598
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,760
cheat in these instances. There's cases where he helps people out.

599
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,320
So that's showing that that that humanizes him. He's not

600
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,840
an all bad guy. He actually has human qualities.

601
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Speaker 4: After his near death experience. Right.

602
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: Yes, So the early Tony is no mercy, no bone,

603
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:49,559
no jokes, no bone. I mean he makes jokes, but

604
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,480
I'm saying, like, you don't joke with Tony, you don't

605
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,079
play with Tony. If you cross Tony, you're dead. So

606
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,559
he sort of enforces a rule of fear right. It's

607
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:01,280
a Machiavelli kind of the Prince thing, where it's better

608
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,880
to be feared than loved. So Tony runs on that

609
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,519
psychology for the first several seasons, and as you pointed out,

610
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,480
when he almost when he has his near death experience,

611
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:14,360
when he dies, for several episodes he's in the hospital,

612
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,760
on the bed, in the er. He comes back and

613
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,639
he's different. So he has had a change, But is

614
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:27,239
he really changed? And that's what we're gonna see towards

615
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,840
the end. I think it's somewhat debatable to a degree,

616
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:35,480
because he does kind of more and more have a

617
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,679
better appreciation of people and his family.

618
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Speaker 3: You know, he says things, every day's a gift. Now

619
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come out of the hospital. I realize, I look at world.

620
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Every day's a gift. Tennis, every day is a gift.

621
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Speaker 2: And so he knows he's still going, I think, eventually

622
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:53,599
to his end. And and that becomes really clear, as

623
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,320
we'll see in season six. So we're almost up to

624
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we got three seventy three. Welcome everybody. So Catholicism is

625
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:10,159
interesting in season one, it's very much a cultural Catholicism.

626
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Nobody in the series except for the old people. This

627
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:25,320
is interesting. Polly's mom and aunt take their Catholicism seriously. Briefly,

628
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,440
Janie has a phase of evangelicalism where she's serious right

629
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,719
with that goofy guy who has narcolepsy, and they have

630
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,119
an evangelical praise band, remember that. And he falls asleep

631
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:35,719
all the time, and.

632
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,599
Speaker 3: Tony Tony's always loving it's good, bring your friendo if

633
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:39,440
you could wake him up.

634
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Speaker 2: And then he throws peanuts at the guy when he

635
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,480
falls asleep at the Turkey dinner. Anyway, So all of

636
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,719
that to say that the way religion is presented in

637
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,400
season one and pretty consistently to the rest of the

638
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,239
show is that it's just a cultural phenomena. There's not

639
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,039
really anyone, even the priest. This is the really interesting

640
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:02,599
fact in season one was that weird priest that you

641
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,000
think might be gay and then you think, no, actually

642
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,679
he's hitting on Carmela. He's not even actually hitting on Carmela.

643
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,280
He's a weirdo who just wants food and recipes.

644
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Speaker 4: He just wants from women, but he doesn't actually want

645
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,199
to cross the boundary to do anything with them.

646
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he basically stays the night with Carmela flirts

647
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,719
with her all night, They cook dinner, they drink wine, communion,

648
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:28,920
private communion. Yeah, and he leaves or he falls asleep, right,

649
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,679
he doesn't want to he's snoring or something.

650
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Speaker 4: Then there's this funny scene where Carmela tries to bring

651
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,039
the priest a dish of food.

652
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: That guy's that priest, yeah.

653
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: I know, and another woman has already brought him food

654
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,960
that day, so she gets all jealous. Remember, so even

655
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:51,119
their their religion is a facade.

656
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: It's just something that you do, you know, it's just

657
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:59,199
another and and Tony kind of sees through that hypocrisy.

658
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,039
I mean, he's not above asking existential questions. He asked

659
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:08,519
them pretty consistently throughout the series, but he never he

660
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:13,079
never sees the institutional Catholic church as being anything other

661
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,760
than kind of a ritual or a play. Like he

662
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,239
kind of makes some jokes about.

663
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Speaker 3: It, like, oh, come on, either way, I know this

664
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,840
is a bunch of bullshit, and he says stuff like

665
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,920
that kind of in passing.

666
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 4: It's just another family obligation thing like going to a

667
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:27,719
funeral or a wedding.

668
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Speaker 2: Next up is oh and the other thing with two

669
00:40:34,039 --> 00:40:36,800
That was interesting about the priests was that he's very

670
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,880
much a novus ordo Vatican two priests because when he

671
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,920
gives communion that ninety stays over, he actually brings Carmela

672
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a book on Buddhism. Oh yeah, he tells her that

673
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she needs to start reading on Buddhism to find spiritual

674
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,840
So just totally, I mean, this was accurate, right, the

675
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whole idea of the liberalized clerics of the post Vatican

676
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two novus Ordo church.

677
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Speaker 4: Do you remember that episode with the Golden Hat Saint

678
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,159
and the fair, So there's another example of the mom

679
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,320
working together with the church.

680
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is obliquely referenced, there's no I mean, if

681
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,159
you watch Godfather three, there's actually a really clear reference

682
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:20,639
to the connection between the Vatican, the mafia and the

683
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:23,039
Cia and all these kinds of P two lodge and

684
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,840
all that comes up really clearly because that was actually

685
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,719
based on the P two stuff with John Paula first

686
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,920
and his assassination. Here it's not as clear. It's a

687
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little it's more, you know, just again kind of cultural stuff.

688
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And then that scene is actually really funny because that

689
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,039
will play into the fact that there's one character in

690
00:41:41,079 --> 00:41:45,639
the show that will survive all of this, and he's

691
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,760
really the only one that we think might actually convert.

692
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:53,559
And it's not he you expect, it's Polly because Polly

693
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,039
is superstitious. They make fun of him for being superstitious

694
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,119
throughout the show. He walks in the bottom being and

695
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:02,880
he sees the Virgin Mary. Remember, at the end of

696
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,880
the very last episode he says this, and we get

697
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,440
the impression that it's really just Paulie who has repented

698
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:12,559
at the end when he goes and apologizes to his

699
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,320
mom or to his surrogate mother, I should say, and

700
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,400
he was the he was the one that was really

701
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,159
upset about the saint and the hat, that stupid hat

702
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,440
because he thought, you know, I mean, he's he's he's dumb,

703
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,199
and he's superstitious, but he's serious and sincere, which is interesting.

704
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Speaker 4: Yeah, things have meaning to Paulage.

705
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't just do that, Tea. I swear on

706
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,760
my life, tee, you don't just do that.

707
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: That's why he gets so messed up when he finds

708
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,840
out his mom was actually his aunt and his aunt

709
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,760
with his mom.

710
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: My old life, it's been a life.

711
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweit, tea, my whole life, it's all a lie.

712
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: And that's again I like the fact that spoiler alert,

713
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,079
nobody may through this. Not nobody, but basically of the

714
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:08,280
main character spoiler alert, Pauli is who you know. It's

715
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,320
kind of like he's the one that that goes on

716
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,199
to We don't know what he's gonna do, but presumably

717
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,599
he's probably gonna go to Florida where they were earlier

718
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:16,559
and just kind of retire.

719
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe he was the one that made it

720
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,800
out alive of all of them.

721
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: I like that, in fact, that it wasn't who you thought.

722
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,599
You think you And again, spoiler you think Adriana and

723
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:30,360
Christopher are gonna get out, You keep thinking, Okay, they're

724
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,599
finally gonna you know, he's gonna listen to her. You know,

725
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:37,360
they're gonna be flipped by the FBI, they're gonna get

726
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,480
witness relocation. You keep thinking this, you keep thinking it,

727
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:46,519
and no, right, uh, but we'll get to We'll get

728
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:58,760
to Christopher. Tony, Tony, Tony, you do a good Adriana, Tony, No,

729
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:04,400
I was doing to do, Adriana, what's the flaw? What's faw? Yeah, Adrian,

730
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:09,920
I told you to the Buddhism book let's see we

731
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,800
get down to there was another interesting element. I think

732
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,440
this is by about season two, maybe still in season one,

733
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,679
where they start introducing these uh other con men. Okay,

734
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,719
because remember there's an element to Christopher and Tony that's

735
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,199
the conman element, right, So then they bring in these

736
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,199
other characters that they interact with, like the Black Preacher

737
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,960
and this Black Preacher. If you notice the young one,

738
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,679
he's a kind of Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson kind of guy.

739
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:44,639
And his dad, who was another Black Preacher, was a

740
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,679
serious guy. He was serious about his spirituality. But the

741
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,320
younger guy, who's the you know, the preacher leading the

742
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,960
black guys to strike at the construction site, he's totally fake.

743
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,320
He's like, hey man, I'm just gonna put of money, right,

744
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,800
So he's ready to make deals with Tony, and Tony

745
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,079
he's like, yeah, he's like that kind of a black

746
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,960
TV Preacher guy. But but it's all about race and

747
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,960
it's all about you know, he's an opportunist. That's the

748
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,440
word I'm looking for. And Tony figures that out. He's like, okay,

749
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,440
so his dad's serious. I don't want to talk to

750
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,639
the dad. He's you know, another version of con man.

751
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,199
He's just an opportunist, and if he's that way, I

752
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,360
can buy him off, right, So Tony can profile people

753
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,639
to tell when they're sincere, when they're frauds, and he

754
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,159
knows that if they're frauds, is pretty easy to either

755
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,599
buy them off or to muscle them into doing what

756
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,039
you want. So he really But I like the fact

757
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,079
that they introduce this kind of you know, opportunist, fake

758
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:43,559
preacher guy, and he's tied into the Union and he's

759
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,400
trying to use the union. And this is funny because

760
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,719
the mobsters have used the union for a long time,

761
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,280
so it's like, you're you're on the wrong territory, hero,

762
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,199
The mob is going to know how to utilize the

763
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,079
union way better than you trying to use the union.

764
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,880
And of course Tony outwits this guy and ends up

765
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:04,360
oiling this movement. And there's a very similar character to

766
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,960
the opportunist black preacher who is the Native American spokesman

767
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,960
who's also a kind of a We get the impression

768
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,800
that he's kind of a con man, that he's just

769
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:20,280
leading this cultural movement against Columbus day. Right, this becomes

770
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,960
a big ordeal for the social justice themes. Yes, social

771
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:29,119
justice themes start coming up about season two and they

772
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,800
want to two or three. They want to get rid

773
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,239
of Columbus Day, and because it's offensive to all the

774
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,679
Native Americans, and this leads to a kind of a

775
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,239
retaliation on the part of syl Silvio and Pauli. They're

776
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,400
furious about this. They go and like beat up the

777
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,840
Native Americans. There's a big there's a big street fight

778
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,559
between the social justice Warriors and the Italians. They've all

779
00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,760
got got flags, like Italian flags out there, and they

780
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,719
want to have Columbus Day and all this stuff, and

781
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,840
so there's this big street brawl. And I liked all

782
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,400
these elements because it was showing you that a lot

783
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,840
of this stuff is manipulated.

784
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 4: Do you remember when Meadow went to college she came

785
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,159
back social justice warrior.

786
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: Yes, this is another great point because it shows that

787
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:20,400
when Meadow goes to college, you know, she's just kind

788
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,360
of a teenager, you know, I mean, she's intelligent, and

789
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,880
she she early on figures out that her dad is

790
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,039
up to something. Like her dad is not on the

791
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,679
up and up. He's not really what he presents himself as,

792
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:33,760
just a.

793
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,639
Speaker 3: Harm of just a harmless waste management, businessman. I'm just

794
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:38,559
a businessman, right, No, he's more than that.

795
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: And she figures this out by the time she's in

796
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:44,039
high school, and so we get the impression that Metal

797
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:49,960
is pretty intelligent. She also will be spared interestingly, and

798
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:56,079
then when she goes to college, she is brainwashed, initiated

799
00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:01,039
into the social justice system. She said, it takes her

800
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:02,760
while to figure out what her career is. She decides,

801
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,559
I want to be a lawyer so I can defend

802
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:09,480
the immigrants. So they actually show her as adopting these

803
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:15,679
positions because that's her way to rebel against Tony. And

804
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,239
she even says this at times when her bike gets stolen, right,

805
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,079
and Tony said, oh, yeah, who was the guy who

806
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:22,599
stole the bike?

807
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 3: Huh?

808
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: What was he? Oh? Who was he? Right? So if

809
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,599
you know that scene, then you know what happens. I

810
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:31,400
won't say it because of you know, getting pulled or whatever,

811
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,960
but it's a funny sequence. And the only reason that

812
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,960
Meadow is doing these things is to try to rebel

813
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,000
against Tony's old ways and his you know kind of

814
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,280
what she thinks are outdated ways of understanding things, because

815
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,400
Tony's in a sense, you could say conservative, even though

816
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:55,000
he doesn't really care about ideologies. It's purely pragmatic, right.

817
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,960
He knows from the streets that people are different, you know,

818
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,880
He's like, and then when I'm on the street, this

819
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,000
guy's different. He drives around, he sees a mosque.

820
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: These are these guys are different, you know, they're different.

821
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: That was the part in the story after the Big

822
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:17,280
nine event happened, they wrote that in that Tony is

823
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,360
now informing to the FBI.

824
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:25,519
Speaker 2: The FBI guys, they asked Tony. Yeah, that's a great point.

825
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:28,519
They don't make him an official informant, but they ask him,

826
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:30,760
you know, I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine if

827
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,960
you can, you know, provide us some information on any

828
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,079
of these Arab guys that might be hanging around the

829
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,559
bottom being. And he does. He does so, not exactly

830
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:42,199
an informant, but a kind of a just a on

831
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:47,239
the down low passing information back and forth, which Tony

832
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,159
just sees as advantageous to himself for getting out of,

833
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:57,559
you know, sticky situations. So so moving on, I like

834
00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,920
the sequence when he goes to Italy to meet up

835
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,840
with one of the dons in Sicily and as we

836
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,480
as I said, we find out that it's it's the

837
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:11,519
Dawn is actually has dementia. He's out of ideas and

838
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:13,639
know what's going on. And his daughter is running things

839
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:16,360
and she's, you know, the bomb supermodel. So Tony is

840
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,679
immediately sort of smitten by her, has the dream where

841
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:24,239
he's a Roman general sleeping with her. And then the

842
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,880
most important sequence in all this is that they go

843
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:31,000
up on this mountain to the Sibiling Oracle. Right, So

844
00:50:31,039 --> 00:50:33,440
they go in this cave where the Sibiling Oracle used

845
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,920
to sit, and she the oracle would would breathe in

846
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,719
the hallucinogen hallucinogenic gases or whatever and would prophesy. And

847
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,679
if you don't know, you know, the Sibiling Oracle is

848
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,599
famous for also having prophetic statements about Christ. Right, this

849
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,519
is a well known thing. If you look up virgils

850
00:50:51,559 --> 00:50:54,800
and ecologue, if you look up the civil there were

851
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:59,000
these pagan predictions. Also they're related to Christ. I think

852
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,239
that the Sibiling Oracle was even painted I think into

853
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,920
the Assistine Chapel. But the the but the the woman,

854
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:11,239
the woman Dawn tells Tony, she says, you're you are

855
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,800
your own worst enemy. So she does this Sibiling prophecy

856
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,800
at the Sibiling Oracle about Tony, and they even referenced this.

857
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:23,360
And then when Tony goes back to a psychiatrist.

858
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,079
Speaker 3: He said, hey, you have voted this to the Sibols.

859
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,159
Speaker 2: The Sibols. She's like the Sibils.

860
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,039
Speaker 3: Hey, you know the Sybils did the prophecies. You know

861
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:34,320
they would they would sit and breathe in his head.

862
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,480
It would, you know, make them prophecy or whatever.

863
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: Right, And so he basically has been told his fortune

864
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,039
from the Sibyl. I thought that was genius, the way

865
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:44,519
they did that, the way they pulled it off. And

866
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,719
if you're not familiar with classical lit, one of the

867
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,360
things I studied in grad school, you wouldn't catch those

868
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,880
references to the Sibyl. What do you think? Do you

869
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,599
remember when we were watching it and I told you

870
00:51:57,639 --> 00:52:01,039
that when he went to see the Sibyl, she's functioning

871
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,440
like the Sibyl. She's telling him his future. Yeah, And

872
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,920
she said you're your own worst enemy, and I said,

873
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,960
he will be his downfall. It's a tragic.

874
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 4: It's a tragedy, yeah, because Tony's navigating such a minefield

875
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:18,840
with his job and his family, and everything that you're

876
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,400
constantly wondering who is going to betray him or get

877
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,360
him in trouble or like we're always guessing, is it

878
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,320
so and so going to be the downfall of Tony

879
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,159
but himself?

880
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:33,199
Speaker 2: And it's also not what we expect. What ends up

881
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:35,280
being his downfall is not who we think it is.

882
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,639
It's a it's kind of a random forgotten dude, you

883
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:41,239
know that he's screwed over. Is basically who ends up

884
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,480
being the cause of his downfall. It's not one of

885
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,440
the sort of key players that you that you think

886
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,480
it's going to be. It's not the FBI, it's not

887
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,920
the CIA, it's not any of these big agencies or forces.

888
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,320
It's not the family. Even it's not even his family

889
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:56,280
that's his downfall.

890
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 4: So I like the episode where they're having to deal

891
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,599
with the rappers, who.

892
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:12,039
Speaker 2: Well, before we get to that, there was a there's

893
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:14,360
a really fascinating sequence. We should probably go back and

894
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,119
watch it now that we've seen the end, But there's

895
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,599
the sequence of the Wizard of Oz. This could have

896
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,159
an m K ultra mind control aspect to it because

897
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,280
it has to do with Tony having a car wreck. Uh,

898
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,440
and it's when it's when Tony was having his blackouts,

899
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,480
and there's a there's a you may have missed this

900
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:42,199
this episode, but the psychiatrist is talking about the psyche.

901
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,119
She hears the Wizard of Oz song, and we see

902
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,519
this vision. I think it's her vision if I recall,

903
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,079
and she sees Tony dead. She sees him in a

904
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,639
car wreck dead. Now, Tony doesn't die in a car wreck,

905
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:57,920
but it's another instance of the foreshadowing that's gonna tell

906
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,119
us what happens. And if you haven't seen the end,

907
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,440
then you don't know the signific You're not gonna know

908
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:07,800
until the very end, what the significance of it. Throughout

909
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,639
the whole series, Tony's son is just an idiot. And

910
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,920
this this one sequence where even the idiot can have

911
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,159
this kind of sage, sagacious moment where he says, you

912
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:22,519
guys are all living in a dream. This is not real, right,

913
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:27,239
And so again hearkening back to the psychiatrist's dream of

914
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,920
Tony and the Wizard of Oz playing and Tony wrecking.

915
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,559
Speaker 4: Go ahead, I don't remember that one.

916
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: So let's see that's not really relevant. Let's go down here. Okay, okay,

917
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,679
So one interesting reference that the psychiatrist will make early

918
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,079
on is to Carlos Costanada. She will talk about reading

919
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,880
Carlos Castenada, and we don't really know the beginning why

920
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,119
that would matter. It could have reference to you of

921
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:03,440
the c I A mk Ultra stuff, which is loosely

922
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,840
there with the big pharmoh, the Wizard of Oz theme,

923
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:12,880
Tony being traumatized, Tony blacking out at times, but she

924
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,840
will talk about, hey, you should you know read cost

925
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,840
Costanata blah blah blah. She mentions it in passing. But

926
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,519
this is foreshadowing for the end of the show where

927
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:26,119
Tony goes and trips trips out. So he actually has

928
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:28,880
this Carlos Constanata moment where he goes and does what

929
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:33,599
does he do psilocybin or something, pot goes and does

930
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:37,760
peyote in Las Vegas. So that was another foreshadowing that

931
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,639
you don't you're not, you don't know why it's relevant

932
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,639
until you get to the end of the to the

933
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,599
last season. Basically the last season really shows everything. So

934
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:48,199
what's up? We got four hundred nerds tonight? If you

935
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,960
would be sure and smashed like the gobble gool, what's goul?

936
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:52,199
Speaker 1: Uh?

937
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: You read all of this from one instance of Goba

938
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:56,679
Gool when I was a.

939
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:58,679
Speaker 2: Kid, right, this is what he tells the psychiatrist.

940
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: But she's like, you have a problem with sexuality, and

941
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:08,719
Ron meet. Uh you read all this from the gobbagool. Yeah,

942
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:13,760
because uh when it won the interest snack, you read

943
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,360
all of this.

944
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 4: This is crazy well because the gobbool has to do

945
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,119
it the first time he ever saw dad kill somebody.

946
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,639
Speaker 2: Yes, and uh, sexuality because he says that the weird

947
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,239
mom would be turned on when the dad would bring

948
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,719
home the gobba ghoul because the mom knew that he

949
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,880
had killed somebody or had done so.

950
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 4: The gobagool for free because they were leaning on the

951
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,320
butcher exactly.

952
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 2: That's right.

953
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 4: The mom liked the violence and the danger.

954
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And Tony was young and didn't understand this.

955
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,639
He didn't understand what was going on and it traumatized him.

956
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:52,639
And that's the first time Tony passes out. Remember remember

957
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:56,920
his episodes and then AJ has these exact same episodes.

958
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:57,599
Speaker 4: Do your AJ?

959
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,039
Speaker 3: What are gutters?

960
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,039
Speaker 2: What's a gutter? You know what?

961
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 3: When you you we're gonna clean out your mouth and

962
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:10,719
then that it is, you're gonna go clean the gutters.

963
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:15,000
What are gutters? Oh, you're gonna get smart with me.

964
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,239
Now you're gonna talk about what a gut is. You

965
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,280
gonna get smart with me. No, I really don't.

966
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: Know what gutters are. He's really that dumbie, actually doesn't

967
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:23,800
know what gutters are.

968
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 4: The best line of AJ when he said, yeah, that

969
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:27,760
it is.

970
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: You're gonna go do your homework and then you're gonna

971
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,400
study for your dists. Then he then he says something,

972
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:34,880
I'm gonna I'm gonna make sure that I look at

973
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,960
your grades. You just showed your own ignorance because you

974
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,880
just revealed your own ignorance because we don't even have

975
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,519
grades yet.

976
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 4: It's such a nihilistic thing to say.

977
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 1: It is.

978
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the next thing on my list. Actually

979
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,639
is after the curls costing Alla reference, we start getting

980
00:57:51,719 --> 00:57:55,119
a J asking questions. Right. AJ is this nerdy, chunky

981
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:58,599
little kid who totally oblivious. He has no clue what's

982
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:02,000
going on. And then ironically, in the midst of being

983
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,480
a total idiot, AJ starts asking like mega, big level

984
00:58:07,559 --> 00:58:12,000
existential questions. And this is peaked because the grandma is dying,

985
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:16,519
the manipulative psycho grandma, and she gets she tries to

986
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:17,880
turn everybody on her side.

987
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,079
Speaker 1: Right.

988
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:21,519
Speaker 2: This is every sequence with the Grandmother in season one.

989
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:25,679
She's manipulating somebody to turn them on to be on

990
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:28,960
her side. And she gets Aj in there alone and

991
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,039
she says something about we all die alone, right, And

992
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,639
so AJ's sitting there freaking out with his He's always

993
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:39,760
doing this, right, So then he starts.

994
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: Thinking maybe there's no God all right.

995
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 2: And so he goes to this existential teen crisis. He

996
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,639
starts reading Nietzsche. All that stuff is pretty funny. One

997
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:52,519
of the kids he talks about existentialism.

998
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the kids in that show. His dad

999
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,519
gets killed and he turns totally goth with the whole

1000
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,199
black lipstick and everything. You remember that, So.

1001
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:03,519
Speaker 2: This is veto later on Vito, one of the guys

1002
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:06,920
that works for Tony. Uh Vito, turns out to be gay,

1003
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:09,440
and then he doesn't want to get found out, so

1004
00:59:09,519 --> 00:59:12,599
he runs off. So he goes off to another city

1005
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,360
in the Hampton's or somewhere. Yeah, and uh Vito's son

1006
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:21,559
starts going through a crisis like Aj did and turns goth.

1007
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,559
So he just turns to this total goth guy. I

1008
00:59:24,599 --> 00:59:26,360
won't say what he says to Tony, but he has

1009
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,880
some really funny lines about actually I could see Tony's.

1010
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,599
Speaker 3: Like been Toko to your uncle. Oh yeah, is your

1011
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:38,159
butt buddy? Oh yeah, that's really funny. I like you,

1012
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:38,880
you got a mount on.

1013
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 2: You, kid. But yeah, So he goes to that same

1014
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,760
crisis that Aj goes through in the early seasons. But

1015
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,400
AJ's crisis of faith leads him to reading Nietzsche, Sartra,

1016
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:56,000
and Kirkerguard he immediately goes to the existentialists. And that's

1017
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:00,559
it's not super significant, except that it's tell us that

1018
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:05,320
the show is going to be asking big existential questions. Right,

1019
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:11,360
So Tony, Carmela, even Pauli, even some of the minor

1020
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,760
characters are all going to be confronting the reality of life,

1021
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,440
death and the afterlife. They're all going to be confronting

1022
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,719
these questions. And that's why the big existentialist philosophers come

1023
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,119
up early in season one and two. But it's funny

1024
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:29,639
that it's a bit of irony there that it's the

1025
01:00:29,719 --> 01:00:33,320
dumbest guy, the dumbest character in the whole show. I mean,

1026
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,039
you could argue AJ's even dumber than Janis really who

1027
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:41,039
actually asked the big question. It's not the smartest except

1028
01:00:41,039 --> 01:00:42,400
Tony does. Tony asks Big.

1029
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 4: He's the one that sees through all the bull crap,

1030
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:45,760
like you guys are.

1031
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: Just well he and Meadow due. Meadow and he both do.

1032
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,880
But all right, let's well, we hit four hundred, we

1033
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,599
got four oh three. Welcome here, be sure, yes, hitch

1034
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:57,960
like and share.

1035
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:00,159
Speaker 3: Listen. If you don't hit the liking the sh I'm

1036
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:01,960
gonna take you up back. I'm gonna make sure that

1037
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:07,039
you get the lake in the shell. Okay, all right,

1038
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:08,159
so we're done with this.

1039
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:17,119
Speaker 2: Hell is three o'clock in the Near Death Experience vision.

1040
01:01:17,159 --> 01:01:20,920
So there's a near death experienced vision early on, a

1041
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,840
Hell vision. I don't know what my note's about, but

1042
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,440
something to do with Tony starts describing a dream or

1043
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:33,679
a vision, and he talks about how the psychiatrist woman

1044
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:35,480
asks him, like, what do you think your dream means?

1045
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1046
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,199
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hell. It's for the worst people.

1047
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,679
Speaker 3: And that's what the rapers and the murder vision, you know,

1048
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:43,599
all the people that do all the really nasty shit.

1049
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hell.

1050
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 4: Come on, that's interesting that Tony doesn't see himself in

1051
01:01:47,679 --> 01:01:48,519
the category of a.

1052
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:55,039
Speaker 2: Bad person, exactly exactly. I also liked the element where

1053
01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:58,159
Tony gets neighbors, and the neighbors that he gets are

1054
01:01:58,199 --> 01:02:03,960
these really annoying, snooty wasp elite. And then that's one

1055
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,960
of the actually the funniest sequences in the whole show

1056
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:09,199
is when the wasp elite who are into stocks, and

1057
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:11,800
this is how Tony and Carmela start getting into stocks.

1058
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,679
They take Tony out to play golf. I remember that

1059
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:21,039
They're like, so, uh uh, maybe you know some stories

1060
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:23,360
about John Gottie you could.

1061
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 3: Tell us, And Tony's like, what are you talking about?

1062
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:30,079
Speaker 2: Who? What? Yeah? You know, have you heard any stories about,

1063
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:33,360
you know, any of the famous guys? And then Tony

1064
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,480
realizes that they know that he's in the mafia, and

1065
01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:39,480
they they think that there's all these you know, stereotypes,

1066
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:43,039
and so Tony tells him this whole ridiculous story with

1067
01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:44,800
a ridiculous ending.

1068
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 3: So the marvel at the story is John Gotti. Really

1069
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:49,280
let ice.

1070
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:52,199
Speaker 2: Cream just tell us this nonsense story and they're all like,

1071
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,079
oh yeah, and so he's just messing with him, right,

1072
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:01,559
So I thought that was that was a good comedic

1073
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,159
twist because you think that Tony's gonna take that golf

1074
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,400
club and start beating the crap out of him, and

1075
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,519
he just makes fun of him. It was great. But

1076
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:15,039
the wasp elite, right, they use the Italian immigrants. And

1077
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:17,840
this actually comes up, you know, Tony references this about

1078
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:18,599
how you know.

1079
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 3: We used to we used to work for them, right,

1080
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,000
we would have we would have grunts for them, you know, No,

1081
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,159
we did odds with our stuff.

1082
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,159
Speaker 2: Where's a place at the table, right, So it's all

1083
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:31,000
about wanting a place at the table. The different wealthy

1084
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:34,840
power structures, right, the JP, Morgan's, the Carnegie, the Rockefellers,

1085
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,599
the wasp elite who used the Italian immigrants as the workforce.

1086
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,559
And this is why Tony and I think it's Tony

1087
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,000
that says this withre's our piece, we want a piece

1088
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,719
of this. I think he's telling it to the psychiatrist.

1089
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:51,840
He's explaining the Italian immigrant experience, right, He's saying.

1090
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 3: This is this is our people, this is we both

1091
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,679
this place. We built this country right for them.

1092
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,199
Speaker 2: And so he doesn't care for that, you know, snooty,

1093
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:05,960
arrogant Wall Street wasp elite. But they do get the

1094
01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:10,000
idea from the wasp elite to set up this little

1095
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:13,360
stupid stock scam, and they put Christopher in charge of it,

1096
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:19,239
which is hilarious because Christopher brings in his two muscle guys,

1097
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,559
who are also complete idiots. Right, they end up getting

1098
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:24,280
killed the next season because they're so stupid.

1099
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 4: Another point about this show is the criminals aren't that smart.

1100
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:33,679
Speaker 2: Yes, even the guys that Tony has as his conscilier

1101
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:38,159
or his right hand men, they're not that bright. Even

1102
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,280
the other even the other bosses of the family, right,

1103
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:47,119
Johnny Sack Junior, he's incompetent. He can't run the family. No, no, no,

1104
01:04:47,159 --> 01:04:51,639
not not Johnny Sack. It's the guy that Johnny sackson

1105
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:57,760
a rivalry with the other guy, what's his name, somebody Junior,

1106
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,280
the the old guy that dies and then his son

1107
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,559
takes over. He's the guy that makes the movie with Christopher.

1108
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,400
That guy, he's funny. Little Carmine, thank you. Yeah, little

1109
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,840
Carmine is incompetent. Johnny Sack is kind of competent. He

1110
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,760
can run things, but even he can't. Really, he's no

1111
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,079
match for Tony. Nobody is a match for Tony. Even

1112
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,559
though the other families are jealous of Tony and they'll

1113
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:28,280
diss him. They're afraid of Tony. They don't know how

1114
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,639
to handle him, because you can't. Tony's a force of nature.

1115
01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:36,079
You can't really deal with this guy. He's unstoppable. We

1116
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:38,239
mentioned Richie and these different characters who are kind of

1117
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,039
the key villains. I mean, Richie is just on you

1118
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:46,639
can't He's like Jeoffrey, right, Richie the Grandmother. These are

1119
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,920
Jeffrey level characters. You can't wait for them to die.

1120
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,960
But the only reason Richie is really interesting as a

1121
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:59,000
character is the clue of the jacket. If you remember Richie,

1122
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,119
who am so is totally a psychopath. He kind of

1123
01:06:02,159 --> 01:06:06,039
wants to impress Tony, even though he resents him and

1124
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:07,880
fears him. At the same time, he's the guy that

1125
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,039
ends up marrying Janice. He thinks, maybe I can win

1126
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,800
Tony over by giving him some kind of symbolic thing

1127
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,079
that in his mind is important, which is a stupid

1128
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:21,159
seventies jacket. It's this hideous, ugly, you know, nineteen seventy

1129
01:06:21,199 --> 01:06:23,480
five leather jacket. And he gives it to Tony and

1130
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,920
oh what it is? Put it in the trunk, and

1131
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,800
then Tony just gives it away and Richie sees the

1132
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,559
jacket that he gave to Tony, which had this significance

1133
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:36,480
for him given away, and he's just infuriated. Right, So

1134
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,280
you know in season two or three that there's going

1135
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,840
to be this you know, butting of heads between Tony

1136
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,880
and Richie. But the reason that the jacket is so

1137
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,039
important is that the jacket is going to be the

1138
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:53,000
key clue the end of the show, telling you what

1139
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:58,760
really happened, Right, the jacket, not that jacket, just the jacket.

1140
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:02,239
Just keep Jack, get in mind, it's just telling you

1141
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,599
a clue. That jacket's insignificant, but it's just calling your

1142
01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,880
attention to details in the show, like the jacket, that

1143
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:15,119
are going to be important for deciphering and decoding the

1144
01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:23,079
final episode. Of course, as you know, I like the

1145
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,599
fact that it wasn't Tony they kill Ritchie. All of

1146
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,239
this time, there's Tony and Richie butt heads about five times,

1147
01:07:30,239 --> 01:07:32,599
and you're just waiting for Tony to unleash on this guy,

1148
01:07:33,639 --> 01:07:36,440
and he ends up not doing it, and you think, well, okay,

1149
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:41,360
now he can't because Richie's married to Janice. And then

1150
01:07:41,679 --> 01:07:48,360
who ends up getting rid of Richie Janie? Yeah, because

1151
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:52,320
Janie is just as crazy and psycho as Tony. But

1152
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,800
she's she doesn't have any self control, right, and so

1153
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,519
she just does it, loses her mind.

1154
01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,079
Speaker 4: Tony help me.

1155
01:07:59,639 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 2: Tony has to come over. He's the fixer. He cleans

1156
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,320
it all up, and he gives her a bus pass

1157
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,000
and says, now you're at here, get lost. I don't

1158
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,960
want to see you again. And because Janice really was

1159
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:14,719
just she's just a mooch, right's. Her life is a failure.

1160
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,119
She can't find a relationship, she's overweight, she's unpleasant as

1161
01:08:19,159 --> 01:08:22,640
a person. She's really annoying. She tries to be manipulative,

1162
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,199
but everybody can see through it. She's just a terrible

1163
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:28,199
person and a terrible character. And so Tony just wants

1164
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:31,000
to get rid of her. And so he thinks, finally

1165
01:08:31,039 --> 01:08:33,720
he's going to get rid of her. Of course she's

1166
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:37,680
going to come back. But as we end the early

1167
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:41,239
about getting almost to the middle midway of the show,

1168
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,600
we see the important vision of dream that Tony has,

1169
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,159
and I like that they couch this vision and dream

1170
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:59,680
in the midst of a really bass, guttural, potty humor

1171
01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:05,800
element when Tony gets diarrhea yea and because yeah, but

1172
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,760
it's but it's on purpose to contrast it with it's

1173
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,199
it's a it's a it's a kind of a contrast.

1174
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:14,079
It's a literary usage of the grotesque, where you take

1175
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:17,319
something that would be a profound vision and you couch

1176
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:21,520
it in something ridiculous, like farting all night with diarrhea

1177
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,880
because you had bad seafood. Okay, So Tony Is goes

1178
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,600
and has aladies. I don't know what, shrimp or something,

1179
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,640
and this the shrimp is bad, and it gives him

1180
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:35,720
this awful case of food poisoning. And we both had

1181
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,800
food poisoning. We we can sympathize with this. We were

1182
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,239
just remembering what it was like to have food poisoning.

1183
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,560
It's awful if you've never had it. It's if you

1184
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,479
think you're dying. And so in the midst of this

1185
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:51,079
food poisoning, Tony has these prophetic, really deep visions. He

1186
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:56,399
sees the future, a potential future in the future, and

1187
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,560
he sees in a way kind of his own demise

1188
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,840
and and he sees. He doesn't know how to interpret

1189
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,640
it yet, but he sees, and he senses deep down

1190
01:10:06,279 --> 01:10:07,880
who the rat is.

1191
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 4: That's when he figures out he's betraying here.

1192
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 2: It's Pussy. So Pussy is the rat. He doesn't immediately

1193
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,239
know how to interpret the dream because he's walking down

1194
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,760
the boardwalk by the by the beach and he sees

1195
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,960
these fish for sale, and the fish starts talking to him,

1196
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,880
and it's Pussy, and what is it? He sleeps with

1197
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,600
the fishes, So he's seeing what is going to happen,

1198
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,840
what he's going to do when he finds out, which

1199
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,359
he kind of deep down knows that is Pussy's the rat.

1200
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,720
Pussy's going to have to go sleep with the fishes.

1201
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,640
I really like that though, that they couched the the profound,

1202
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,479
you know, prophetic visions in the midst of this guttural

1203
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:53,039
you know, bloating and gas sequence. That's really kind of hilarious.

1204
01:10:54,880 --> 01:11:02,159
So once again, Tony is not just a a general.

1205
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:05,399
He's almost a kind of a king. And if you know,

1206
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,800
from scripture and from the ancient classical literary tradition, kings

1207
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:14,199
were oftentimes seen as prophetic characters. The dream that the

1208
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:18,920
king has Nebugineeser and Daniel right Pharaoh's dreams. Kings were

1209
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,880
believed to have prophetic dreams, and so Tony also has

1210
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:27,279
this kingly type of role and so he is having

1211
01:11:27,319 --> 01:11:29,800
prophetic dreams, but at the same time he doesn't know

1212
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,239
how to interpret that. It's just so foreign to his

1213
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:36,479
kind of pragmatic mind. But eventually he's going to start

1214
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,039
figuring out that, you know, a lot of what's been

1215
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:44,239
happening to him was kind of synchronicity manifesting, archetypal relationships

1216
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:48,600
manifesting to tell him that he's actually seen the future.

1217
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,279
What do you think, I mean, don't you see that

1218
01:11:52,319 --> 01:11:56,359
there's these esoteric things that keep coming up, these passing references,

1219
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,359
even the literary and there will even be esoteric and

1220
01:11:59,399 --> 01:12:00,880
occult refer and says later on.

1221
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and another thing about him being the king is

1222
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,439
he always has to watch his back because somebody's.

1223
01:12:09,119 --> 01:12:13,359
Speaker 2: Yes, because of treachery, treachery and take his position. Yeah,

1224
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,880
if you're at the top of the heap, everybody wants

1225
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,640
to take you down. Yeah, you know, Caesar right at

1226
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:20,479
two brute right.

1227
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 4: And so in that way, he ends up having to

1228
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,159
kill a lot of the people who are loyal to

1229
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:31,279
him and who he's supposed to be sworn to be

1230
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:37,159
protecting in this brotherhood. Tony, I think throughout the whole

1231
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:39,319
of the show he kills more of his loved ones

1232
01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:41,800
than he does of his enemies.

1233
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:46,279
Speaker 2: Yes, well, this is one of the tragedy. This is

1234
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:48,680
part of the reason why Tony is a tragic character

1235
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,199
is that, I mean, the role of being a king

1236
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,239
or the head of an army, so to speak, is

1237
01:12:55,279 --> 01:12:59,039
that everybody below you, it resents you. They don't trust

1238
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:01,000
your leadership, They want to take you down, they want

1239
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:03,039
to see you follow when I see you fail. And

1240
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,840
so what Tony this even comes up? I think it's

1241
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,600
season three or four where there's almost a kind of

1242
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:13,359
a mutiny, right, Paully resents Tony, even sal at one

1243
01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:16,840
point kind of resents and criticizes Tony as mad at him.

1244
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:19,720
Christopher resents and is mad at Tony, and so do

1245
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,039
even some of the other underlings. And Tony has this

1246
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,079
sit down meeting I think with sal or Paully, and

1247
01:13:27,399 --> 01:13:30,600
he basically just says, you don't know what it is

1248
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,239
to be in my position. He's like, I have to

1249
01:13:34,279 --> 01:13:37,479
deal with stuff that I can already read you and

1250
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,680
tell you that you can't handle this. And that's how

1251
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,520
he's so successful against all of his enemies and against

1252
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:47,920
Johnny Sack, his main rival towards the later seasons, is

1253
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,800
that he can already tell that they can't put up

1254
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,279
with it, they can't deal with what he deals with.

1255
01:13:53,119 --> 01:13:56,520
So it takes you almost feel like it takes the

1256
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,960
kind of personality like Tony to handle what he did.

1257
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,640
And it's not just IQ. It also requires this kind.

1258
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: Of like.

1259
01:14:09,039 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 2: You have to be like a general almost is what

1260
01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,560
I'm trying to say.

1261
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:15,039
Speaker 4: They did such a good job or he the actor

1262
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:19,880
did throughout the entire series starting off is like the

1263
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:28,800
second in command under Junior to becoming this really frightening character,

1264
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:32,359
Like he gains weight, he gets meaner, he gets nastier,

1265
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:37,119
he gets darker. The way that he walks changes, the

1266
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:41,399
way that he talks changes. It's just he becomes more

1267
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,760
of a monster mobster as the show goes on.

1268
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:48,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that they intentionally are making him more like

1269
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:50,840
a bear, Like that's why that bear comes out of

1270
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:55,680
the woods randomly and Carmela and aj are afraid of it.

1271
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,720
They start freaking out, But that's because it's the real

1272
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,680
fear Tony. They're afraid of the monster, the bear that

1273
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:04,000
Tony's turning into.

1274
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 4: Because in the beginning you think he's a teddy bear,

1275
01:15:07,159 --> 01:15:10,399
but then by the end he's a big bat, grizzly bear.

1276
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:18,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what my next note was. By the way,

1277
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,159
the sequences where you see Tony, you'll notice the show

1278
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,880
episodes will constantly open with Tony lying there in the bed,

1279
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:31,119
and then maybe one as'll open up or you'll see

1280
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,159
him kind of like with his hair all messed up.

1281
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,680
All of those sequences of him lying there in the

1282
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:40,760
bed are foreshadowing. They're telling you what the show is

1283
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,680
going to show you at the end. Because what is sleep.

1284
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,840
It's a form of death. Okay, so those are all

1285
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:50,079
versions of foreshadowing. We're watching the transformation of Tony. Like

1286
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,159
you said, he just he kind of grows into this

1287
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,520
sort of bloated kind of like he just sort of

1288
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:01,119
waddles around and he walks around like a like a

1289
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,199
degenerate king. And that's kind of what he becomes because

1290
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:08,159
he can't lose. That's what's so surprising about this character

1291
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:10,720
is that you know, when you're watching any other mob movie,

1292
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:16,159
you just keep waiting, and you know, when you know Scarface,

1293
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:17,680
you know his moment's coming.

1294
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1295
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,199
Speaker 2: He's sitting there with a giant pile of cocaine and

1296
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:22,239
he's got the machine gun, and you know the Feds

1297
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,319
are coming in. He's done for it, or the other mobster,

1298
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,720
whoever it is that comes and takes him down. You

1299
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,439
know he's at his end. That's a tragedy. How's a

1300
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:34,399
good fellow's end? Does really go to get killed? Or

1301
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:35,920
is he? I can't remember what up to it anyway,

1302
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:38,600
but you know, you eventually know these characters are going

1303
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,760
to go down, and you're just waiting the whole the

1304
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:46,520
whole show, Tony. No, nothing happens to Tony. That's bad. Really,

1305
01:16:48,079 --> 01:16:50,880
even when the FBI, the FBI keeps making these moves

1306
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,960
and you keep oh, now they've got the bug in

1307
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,000
the basement, they're gonna get him, and then Meadow takes

1308
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:00,279
the lamp to college. They spent this whole, like three

1309
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,159
three episodes just trying to get this bug in Tony's basement.

1310
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 4: A lot of it is through no conniving of his own.

1311
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:08,199
It's just like dumb luck.

1312
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:10,399
Speaker 2: That it's no, it's fake, it's it's fate. He's faded

1313
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,399
to be this general, this king that's unstoppable. He's an

1314
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,600
unstoppable force until he himself is his own undoing. And

1315
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,000
that's the whole point of this tragedy, is that so

1316
01:17:21,039 --> 01:17:25,199
the FBI moves against him with the surveillance. And then

1317
01:17:25,319 --> 01:17:29,359
other people start taking medication. Uh, this was an interesting point.

1318
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,600
Other people are talking about taking medicine's lithium, prozac, all

1319
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,920
this kind of stuff. It doesn't help anybody. Adriana doesn't.

1320
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,399
Adriana start taking something.

1321
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 4: She got durable boll syndrome, right, But.

1322
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:45,399
Speaker 2: Her and and Christopher get hooked on heroin. Remember, yeah,

1323
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:47,600
they have a whole season of being heroin addicts. And

1324
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:53,720
this is what prompts Christopher to go into rehab. And really,

1325
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,119
Christopher is who Tony is grooming to be the number two.

1326
01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,039
He wants Christopher to run things. He thinks Christopher is

1327
01:18:01,079 --> 01:18:06,239
the best potential candidate because he's family. He's Carmelo's cousin.

1328
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:09,520
Speaker 4: In essence, he's the son that Tony.

1329
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 2: You know that isn't right. And and Christopher is a

1330
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,039
weird mix because he's dumb and smart at the same time. Right,

1331
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:21,279
he's ironically really talented. If you remember when he goes

1332
01:18:21,279 --> 01:18:24,680
and takes acting lessons, he blows everyone away at how

1333
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,520
good he is at acting. I mean he even brings

1334
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:32,279
the acting class to tears. They can't believe it. But

1335
01:18:32,399 --> 01:18:37,479
he's also unstable, and then somebody in acting says something

1336
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,720
to him that he takes serious and he knocks the

1337
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,119
guy out. So it's like he just like he could

1338
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:44,960
have been an excellent, amazing actor, and he just runs

1339
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,960
out of there because some guy made a joke in

1340
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,680
the midst of acting. So you can tell that Christopher

1341
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,640
himself is unstable. There's mention of Christopher's life and how

1342
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,319
he was kind of raised by a single mom and

1343
01:18:56,359 --> 01:18:59,199
his mom was a drunk that actually comes up, so

1344
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:01,840
he didn't have a good parenting. This is part of

1345
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,079
the reason why Christopher has fallen into this life of

1346
01:19:05,119 --> 01:19:12,760
being a gangster. And there's a couple of times that

1347
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,600
This is what I like with Christopher is that there's

1348
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:18,159
a couple of times where you think, wow, he's actually

1349
01:19:18,199 --> 01:19:20,199
going to be, you know, the guy that takes over

1350
01:19:20,279 --> 01:19:23,640
after Tony. He's going to be running things, right. Tony

1351
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,960
eventually promotes him the basically number two, but Christopher himself

1352
01:19:28,079 --> 01:19:30,640
is his own worst enemy, right. Christopher ends up to

1353
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,920
deal with his guilt and pain. He ends up on Heroin.

1354
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,359
This almost destroys his relationship with Adriana, who's the best

1355
01:19:39,359 --> 01:19:42,520
thing to haven't him. She is the one that actually

1356
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:47,239
tries to get him out of that life, right, not intentionally, well, actually,

1357
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:49,479
at the beginning she kind of wants him to get

1358
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,600
out of it. She's worried he's going to get killed.

1359
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:54,880
But then, just like with Carmela, when she starts noticing

1360
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,239
all the fancy shoes, the Gucci, Prada diamonds that come

1361
01:19:59,279 --> 01:20:02,359
from this life, doll and this is that the key,

1362
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,560
the key reason why in many ways Carmela is more

1363
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:09,479
of a hypocrite than other people is that Carmela knows

1364
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:14,000
what's going on, but she hides behind this I'm a wife,

1365
01:20:14,039 --> 01:20:15,039
you know, I'm a wife.

1366
01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:17,199
Speaker 4: I don't know pay for him, Yeah, she.

1367
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:21,640
Speaker 2: Hides behind all this piety yea. But Tony actually can

1368
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:26,000
call her out because he knows that she's only doing

1369
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,239
all this because she also likes the big diamonds, the

1370
01:20:29,239 --> 01:20:31,760
big house, the prestige.

1371
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 4: Of being the first lady of a mob family.

1372
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: Well, and and the fancy the shoots, the house and

1373
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:38,000
all the all the goodies.

1374
01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:38,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1375
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,079
Speaker 2: And so she even admits that when she's either talking

1376
01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:45,399
to the psychiatrist or the other priest and she has

1377
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,920
this gigantic diamond on it, and then she hides it

1378
01:20:48,399 --> 01:20:51,960
because the priest or the psychiatrists like, well, you seem

1379
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,600
to be benefiting from this lifestyle, maybe that's why you

1380
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,079
don't want to get out of it. And she's kind

1381
01:20:56,079 --> 01:21:01,159
of like she's confronted with her own hypocrisy, but she doesn't.

1382
01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:03,359
She kind of counts the cost. And then we have

1383
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:08,199
that season where briefly they split up, and you know,

1384
01:21:08,319 --> 01:21:10,920
she goes and finds the money in the bird feeder

1385
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,119
that Tony had hidden, the forty thousand dollars there. She

1386
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:16,680
goes and invests it. She wants to, you know, invest

1387
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,960
in these development projects, this house that she has built,

1388
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,600
because she knows, as Tony has said throughout the show,

1389
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:30,880
the life of a mobster is eighty percent you're in

1390
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:35,960
the can or what is It's a you're either in

1391
01:21:36,039 --> 01:21:39,279
the can or you're dead, right, you're either on the

1392
01:21:39,319 --> 01:21:43,760
Morgue table or you're in the prison. So Carmela knows this.

1393
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:47,920
She's basically just worried about her own survival and the kids.

1394
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:52,560
But even her character is a tremendous she's a tremendous

1395
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:57,159
hypocrite because she's always hiding, just like the grandmother, behind

1396
01:21:57,279 --> 01:22:00,199
this facade of I'm doing this for the kids. I'm

1397
01:22:00,199 --> 01:22:04,079
doing this for the family. But if she really loved

1398
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:07,159
the family, would she have them in this lifestyle.

1399
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:15,119
Speaker 4: No? Well, that's another question about Tony. Is he a

1400
01:22:15,159 --> 01:22:19,800
psychopath or sociopath or what Because you think he's doing

1401
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,520
this for his family, he's he has to murder people

1402
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,039
or they'll come murder his family.

1403
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's also I mean, and we know Tony

1404
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:30,520
is a philanderer. He's very open. It's it's pretty open.

1405
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:31,119
Speaker 4: They all are.

1406
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,399
Speaker 2: Well. But what I'm saying is that there's an interesting

1407
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:38,640
sequence where she falls in love with Furio, this other

1408
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,600
you know, Goofy, you know, ponytail guy with the wild

1409
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:47,119
crazy shirts that he wears. She has this this affair

1410
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:51,239
with with Furio in her mind and but she never

1411
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:56,000
actually acts on it because Furio is like terrified of Tony, right,

1412
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,760
And Tony there's a hilarious sege where he calls her

1413
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:00,159
out of this.

1414
01:23:00,199 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 3: She's like, oh, you made him a flangling, you made

1415
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,520
me sleeping around? What about you, Infurio?

1416
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 2: Huh, what about you? Emperial Towny.

1417
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 3: It never happened.

1418
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,239
Speaker 2: I never slept with Furio. Right. But it doesn't matter

1419
01:23:11,279 --> 01:23:14,319
because the whole point is that she wanted to write.

1420
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,760
She wanted that. And you know, like Jesus says, if

1421
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:21,000
you're committing adultery in your heart, kimmying adultery. So Tony's

1422
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,960
really just kind of a more honest character. It's not

1423
01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:28,720
that he's good, but it said he's more honest.

1424
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:32,399
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, because she is kind of the moral compass

1425
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,359
of the show. You think, you think, but then her

1426
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:43,800
actions are like you said, she's hypocritical. She takes him

1427
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,000
back when she shouldn't take him back.

1428
01:23:46,119 --> 01:23:52,439
Speaker 2: You know, she likes the riches, Yeah, she is. She

1429
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,159
loves the glamour and the money and the wealth more

1430
01:23:56,199 --> 01:23:58,640
than she loves the truth of what it would cost

1431
01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:02,319
to actually get the family out of that lifestyle. Because

1432
01:24:02,359 --> 01:24:06,479
if she really loved her kids, I mean, she has

1433
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,039
to know that that lifestyle is dangerous. She's always harping

1434
01:24:10,039 --> 01:24:12,399
at Tony about how dangerous it is and what he's

1435
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,199
the situation he's putting them in. Well, doesn't she know

1436
01:24:17,319 --> 01:24:21,239
that the kids are susceptible to this danger with this lifestyle?

1437
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,039
So why is she not running to the beyond? In fact,

1438
01:24:24,039 --> 01:24:26,560
when she goes to the psychiatrist and the other priest,

1439
01:24:27,279 --> 01:24:31,720
they basically tell her this and she's like, well, you know, ooh,

1440
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,520
I don't know if I really want to, you know,

1441
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,840
count the cost to get out of this lifestyle because

1442
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:37,920
in a lot of ways, it's really easy and it's

1443
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:42,920
really nice. So from a character study perspective of Carmela,

1444
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:46,359
I think that she is for a lot of people

1445
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,279
hard to stomach because she's really hypocritical. And it's not

1446
01:24:50,359 --> 01:24:55,439
that some of the moral criticisms she makes aren't correct,

1447
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,840
it's that she doesn't. She hides behind the piety, I

1448
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:00,399
think is what makes people really not about it.

1449
01:25:00,359 --> 01:25:02,520
Speaker 4: It'll be critical, and she has no backbone when it.

1450
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:06,279
Speaker 2: Comes to standing up to him, because Tony knows her weakness.

1451
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,479
Remember when he makes her really mad, what is he

1452
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:11,319
goes and buys her this big diamond.

1453
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,199
Speaker 4: Necklace because she found him cheating. So he.

1454
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he knows, but he knows her weakness. Yeah,

1455
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:18,640
which is you know, jewels and stuff.

1456
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1457
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:22,159
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's move on as we get we need

1458
01:25:22,199 --> 01:25:24,520
to how long were you been going for? Not too bad?

1459
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,640
An hour and a half, so hopefully we can keep

1460
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,159
this to about two hours. Maybe there's an interesting sequence

1461
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:35,560
where AJ sees the dead when Tony's mom eventually does die,

1462
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:41,720
ghosts appear. There's a sequence where Tony or somebody sees

1463
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:46,159
Pussy in a mirror. AJ sees the grandmother in the hallway. Remember,

1464
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:50,640
so we're starting to see that there's flashes of the

1465
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,119
dead being seen, right.

1466
01:25:52,239 --> 01:25:56,119
Speaker 4: Well, not only that, but when the AJ sees the grandma,

1467
01:25:56,239 --> 01:25:59,960
that's the beginning of his traumatic episode, his panic attacks

1468
01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:03,840
like Tony. So the grandma has affected Tony with the

1469
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,000
panic attacks. And then again to the grandson a J

1470
01:26:07,319 --> 01:26:07,960
panic attacks.

1471
01:26:08,039 --> 01:26:10,399
Speaker 2: Yes, because as you put here your note is good.

1472
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,800
You said AJ sees the ghost of the grandmother and

1473
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,199
this is the beginning of his trauma, like Tony with

1474
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:21,279
the devill ghoul. Then we have the very interesting reference

1475
01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:27,159
by the Jewish psychologist to Carmelo when she goes. He says,

1476
01:26:27,159 --> 01:26:30,439
have you read crime in Punishment? And Crime and Punishment

1477
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,560
is great because it's in many ways it's very similar

1478
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:38,399
to the story of the Sopranos. You have, is it?

1479
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:42,439
Raskolnikov is the main character who has murdered somebody because

1480
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,680
he overhears stories of great men and he thinks, well,

1481
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,319
if the great men of the world, like Napoleon and

1482
01:26:49,359 --> 01:26:52,279
different generals, you know, basically just killed whoever they wanted

1483
01:26:52,279 --> 01:26:55,279
to to become great men. Why don't I just kill

1484
01:26:55,319 --> 01:26:57,159
somebody and become a great man? I mean, everybody else

1485
01:26:57,159 --> 01:26:58,960
seems to do this in history, so why not me?

1486
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,520
And then, as you know, if you've read Crime and Punishment,

1487
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,920
the rest of the book is basically Raskolnikov dealing with

1488
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,560
the guilt of what he did and only finding redemption

1489
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:12,479
at the end of his life through Sophia, who represents

1490
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,840
grace and wisdom, the girl who ended up being the prostitute,

1491
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:18,279
who's the one, the only one that truly loves him. Right,

1492
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:22,000
she keeps visiting him while he's in the work prison

1493
01:27:22,039 --> 01:27:26,039
camp for murder, and then finally at the end he repents. Right,

1494
01:27:26,119 --> 01:27:31,119
So you think that so that there's the reason that

1495
01:27:31,159 --> 01:27:37,760
the psychiatrist recommended to Carmela to re Crime and Punishment

1496
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,520
is because he sees her as a character like perhaps

1497
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:45,600
a Sophia, or like even a Raskolnikov, in the sense

1498
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:49,000
that she's guilty for being part of this, and so

1499
01:27:49,119 --> 01:27:52,039
he's recommending that book to her for maybe for her

1500
01:27:52,119 --> 01:27:54,079
to repent or to come out of this life, because

1501
01:27:54,079 --> 01:27:55,920
that's what he tells her. The priest basically says the

1502
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:57,359
same thing to you. You need to get out of

1503
01:27:57,359 --> 01:27:59,720
this life. It's not gonna it's not going to be

1504
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:02,560
end well for you. And this is another reason why

1505
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,640
it is. I think it's true at the end that

1506
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:11,399
Carmela is also killed because she doesn't heed the warnings.

1507
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,800
She stays in the life. They're constantly warned. The dead

1508
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,079
are appearing to them to tell them that this will

1509
01:28:19,159 --> 01:28:19,960
lead to your death.

1510
01:28:20,279 --> 01:28:24,199
Speaker 4: Well throughout the show, most of them have a moment

1511
01:28:24,279 --> 01:28:27,640
where they could get out, but they stay in and

1512
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,800
then that leads to their death.

1513
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Correct, They have an out multiple times, in fact, all

1514
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:38,319
of them really, I mean it, maybe except for Tony,

1515
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,920
although I guess, you know, conceivably if they wanted to,

1516
01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:43,760
Tony could just fly off the to an island somewhere

1517
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:44,680
if he wanted to. I guess.

1518
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 4: The day that Adriana died, she could have chosen to

1519
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:52,279
leave and go into witness protection, but she.

1520
01:28:52,319 --> 01:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Chose the lie and to go to well well, no, actually, well,

1521
01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:01,000
chrispher made her choice, and Adriana in a choice because

1522
01:29:01,039 --> 01:29:05,359
if Christopher hadn't gone to call Tony, remember, then Adriana

1523
01:29:05,359 --> 01:29:08,199
wouldn't have been killed if he had gone. He said

1524
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:11,760
I gotta go back. I'll be back in a minute. Adriana. Uh,

1525
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:14,399
he didn't have to go. He didn't have to go

1526
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,079
talk to Tony, right, he could have just left and

1527
01:29:17,119 --> 01:29:19,840
then conceivably they, I mean the FBI had it arranged

1528
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:21,880
to where he would have even had a movie deal yep.

1529
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,880
I mean he would have had his whole dream to

1530
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,880
be a movie producer, even though he does in a

1531
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,680
way produced that terrible movie in the final season.

1532
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 4: One of my favorite things about Christopher is that he

1533
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:40,279
never loses his his mob ness, his mafianess. Even when

1534
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:45,520
he's dealing with Hollywood moguls and Ben Kingsley and other

1535
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:50,039
people where he should be polite, he is still one

1536
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:53,920
hundred percent mobster, using his mob to lean on people.

1537
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he threatens Ben Kingsley when Ben Kingsley doesn't want

1538
01:29:57,279 --> 01:29:59,880
to be in his dumb version of Saw. It's ba

1539
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,640
Christopher's come up with this terrible idea for a movie

1540
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,199
that's like Saw mixed with Mafia. Yeah, and it's a

1541
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:09,800
zombie mobster basically, which the movie actually does get made

1542
01:30:10,079 --> 01:30:13,199
in six. Season six is one of the funniest comedic

1543
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:15,840
elements in the whole show. But he you know, he

1544
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:18,319
tries to throw his weight around with Ben Kingsley, you know,

1545
01:30:18,399 --> 01:30:21,000
and he ends up him whoever's with him, I forget

1546
01:30:21,039 --> 01:30:23,800
who it's Polly or somebody, but basically just he punches

1547
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:27,239
Lauren butcall and steals her, you know, swag bag, you know,

1548
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:31,239
of thousands of dollars worth of material. So that is

1549
01:30:31,279 --> 01:30:35,720
an interesting aspect to Christophers that he never alters who

1550
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,000
he is with who he's around, right, you know when

1551
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,560
he gets around that Hollywood guy that is the screenwriter,

1552
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:43,000
you know, the screenwriter starts trying to throw his weight

1553
01:30:43,119 --> 01:30:46,159
with Christopher, and Christopher's like, look, you owe me twenty

1554
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,520
thousand dollars, right, I'm gonna give you a week. And

1555
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,239
the screenwriter guy's like, oh yeah, you're in the mafia.

1556
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:56,399
Yeah a week, okay, yeah, whatever, Christopher. Christopher shows up

1557
01:30:56,399 --> 01:30:58,880
a week later, beats the crap out of the guy

1558
01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,079
within the inch of a show his life, right, and

1559
01:31:01,119 --> 01:31:03,159
then he beats him up again. Right, the guy ends

1560
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:07,600
up getting video him so he yeah. By the way,

1561
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:10,199
I don't forget the sequence And was it season two

1562
01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:13,520
or three that was great with John Favreau where you

1563
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,640
have breaking to the fourth wall. John Favreau playing John

1564
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:21,640
Favreau in the show shows Up, gets Christopher to tell

1565
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:25,039
him stories, and then takes Christopher stories and puts them

1566
01:31:25,039 --> 01:31:26,359
into his show that he's making.

1567
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:29,039
Speaker 4: Right So, I'm surprised he didn't even kill him for that.

1568
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 2: Right, Well, he was. I guess, you know, if you're

1569
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:34,720
an A list kind of person like Ben Kingsley or

1570
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,960
a producer famous, you know, like you're maybe that's a

1571
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,720
little bit above what Christopher could do. Because even though

1572
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,159
Christopher is kind of a number two or three guy, like,

1573
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,520
he doesn't have the ability to just go, you know,

1574
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,560
kill anybody in Hollywood. He's not that big of a player.

1575
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:51,119
Speaker 4: His attitude is like, you don't know who I am,

1576
01:31:51,159 --> 01:31:53,239
and he'll he'll punch anybody in the phase, it doesn't

1577
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:54,159
matter who it is.

1578
01:31:54,279 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, Christopher does have the right amount

1579
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,079
of balls. And that's that's one reason why Tony does

1580
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:04,000
like Christopher is that he sees in Christopher that sort

1581
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:08,039
of fearlessness that he has. In fact, Christopher is so

1582
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,159
fearless eventually that he you know, there's a couple of

1583
01:32:12,199 --> 01:32:14,680
times where he snaps and he's ready to kill Tony.

1584
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,640
You know. You we even think a couple of times

1585
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,600
he's going to you know, when it comes to the

1586
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:23,760
situation where Tony gives Adriana a ride home, Christopher is

1587
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:27,600
absolutely convinced that Tony slept with her, that they had sex,

1588
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:32,199
even though they actually didn't because they wrecked. Uh, you know,

1589
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,560
he comes into the club to bout it, being drunk,

1590
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:37,840
firing off the gun that Tony takes him out to

1591
01:32:38,079 --> 01:32:40,000
outside the city and there, you know, he's about to

1592
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:41,600
shoot him in the head. You think it's all over

1593
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,880
with Steve Bashimi basically convinces Tony not to do it.

1594
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,560
And so there's there's two or three instances like this,

1595
01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:50,640
you know, where where Tony and Christopher have this this

1596
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,479
sort of confrontation and you you really you're on your edge,

1597
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,800
you or see you don't know where it's going to go,

1598
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:57,680
and you just wait, you just wait. The whole time,

1599
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,279
you think Christopher is going to be Tony's downfall. And

1600
01:33:01,319 --> 01:33:03,680
that was another thing that was really good about the show.

1601
01:33:04,279 --> 01:33:07,399
You keep anticipating, Oh, it's going to be Christopher, it's

1602
01:33:07,399 --> 01:33:09,359
going to be Chrisopher and Adriana. They're going to be informants,

1603
01:33:09,359 --> 01:33:10,920
they're going to be flipped, they're gonna you know, go

1604
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,199
shoot Tony. They're gonna go crazy, you know. And no,

1605
01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:17,119
it never happens, and it doesn't end with Christopher the

1606
01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:20,279
way you think. Nope, you don't expect Adriana to get killed,

1607
01:33:20,319 --> 01:33:22,600
and you don't expect Christopher to die the way he does.

1608
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,159
That was crazy.

1609
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:30,880
Speaker 4: But Adrian Adriana has the same problem as Carmela because

1610
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,439
she stays with Christopher because he's rising up and up

1611
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:35,960
and up, and she's waiting for the one day we

1612
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:38,600
make enough money, he'll marry me. We'll move out of

1613
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,800
this crappy apartment and we'll have a house. You know,

1614
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,640
all her dreams will come true. She's waiting on Christopher

1615
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,600
this whole time, and she could have got out, and

1616
01:33:46,680 --> 01:33:49,840
she has a terrible ending because she put all of

1617
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,760
her eggs in the Christopher basket.

1618
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:55,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, and somebody was asking about Luren Bacall. That's who

1619
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,000
Christopher punches in the face and steals her swag bag. Yeah, exactly.

1620
01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:04,279
There were quite a few interesting cameos. David Lee Roth

1621
01:34:04,399 --> 01:34:07,479
made a cameo at the poker game, Frank Sinatra, Junior

1622
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:13,520
Max a cameo, Ben Kingsley, Lauren Baccall, Jon Favreau, and

1623
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:18,239
probably a couple more, but there are some notable you

1624
01:34:18,279 --> 01:34:21,520
know Hollywood cameos. Oh the Baldwin at the end, who

1625
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:24,159
went who plays Tony in Christopher's Terrible movie?

1626
01:34:26,319 --> 01:34:29,399
Speaker 4: Pretty much the bald playing himself in a bad movie?

1627
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:41,279
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, what is this ecstasy? Oh, there's an interesting

1628
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:47,960
some references to when uh Meadow has her phase of

1629
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:52,560
dating I forget his name, and he sells ecstasy. So

1630
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,239
there's a one of the guys who's trying to work

1631
01:34:55,279 --> 01:34:58,520
with Tony, who's the son of one of Tony's guys.

1632
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,159
I forget the guy's name, but Meadow dates him for

1633
01:35:02,199 --> 01:35:05,359
a while. You think they're gonna be together. He's selling ecstasy,

1634
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,079
and then he ends up dead because he tried to

1635
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:14,079
kind of do something against Tony. Tony has him killed,

1636
01:35:14,079 --> 01:35:16,520
and of course Tony lies about all the people that

1637
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,840
he's had killed. And because if Meadow or Carmela found

1638
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:22,800
out all the people that Tony had killed, they would

1639
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,800
they would be furious. Right, So we know Tony has

1640
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:29,359
Adriana killed, right, he has sal go kill still go

1641
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:34,560
kill Adriana. But he always tells, you know, there's always

1642
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:37,479
this plausible cover story of oh they got killed through

1643
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:40,479
you know, drugs. Oh, Adriana ran off. We'll never see

1644
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,159
her again. She's you know, she got a feeling hurt

1645
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:48,640
something like that. There's an interesting reference when Meadow goes

1646
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:52,600
to college to the Francis Stone or Saunders book that

1647
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,600
you've heard me reference many times, the CIA and the

1648
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,640
cultural Cold War right, and this is an important book

1649
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,680
because shows the all of the CIA and the arts

1650
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,199
throughout the entire Cold War period. That book is referenced

1651
01:36:05,279 --> 01:36:08,600
on purpose, you see, it's not accident normal that book

1652
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:10,800
comes up, because this is telling you that the people

1653
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,560
who are writing this show they know what they're talking about.

1654
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,119
They know this world, the psyche, the geopolitics, they know

1655
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:21,039
how this stuff goes down and how it works, or

1656
01:36:21,079 --> 01:36:23,680
else they wouldn't be citing books of that caliber, of

1657
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,439
that level. It's a very famous academic work about the

1658
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:29,640
CIA's role in the Cold War through the arts and

1659
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:34,640
so the in in there's a flyer for this lecture.

1660
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,760
I think Carmelo picks it. Oh, this looks interesting, right

1661
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:45,800
that that's in Carmela Meadows dorm room. And so the

1662
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:48,920
Saunders is supposed to be lecturing at Meadows College, which

1663
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,199
is interesting. Then we have the reference to because again

1664
01:36:52,279 --> 01:36:54,479
remember the CIA mafia link, right, this is what this

1665
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:58,279
is talking about. Then we have the references to Sunta Zoo, right,

1666
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:02,239
and there's a there's a a little joke trope that

1667
01:37:02,279 --> 01:37:05,079
comes up a lot in the show where Tony and

1668
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:08,800
his psychiatrists will come to a discovery or she'll recommend

1669
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,600
a book, uh, and then he'll go read it, right,

1670
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:14,520
and then he'll say something that she said or he

1671
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:19,000
learned in the therapy sessions to Paully or to Christopher,

1672
01:37:19,039 --> 01:37:21,520
and then they'll repeat it like it was their wisdom. Right.

1673
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,439
So that's how you get Paully saying, don't you ever

1674
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,119
read some to zoop? Haven't you? Ain't you ever read

1675
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:30,880
sonta Zoop, which we know Paully is an idiot, he

1676
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:33,760
doesn't read books, right, And then you'll get Christopher will say,

1677
01:37:34,279 --> 01:37:37,279
you know these tropes to like there was some phrase

1678
01:37:37,359 --> 01:37:39,720
that the therapist told, you know, like a cliche, and

1679
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,880
then Christopher goes around repeating it like it was his wisdom.

1680
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:44,399
It's just that there's a lot of these kind of

1681
01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:48,760
little funny terms of phrases like that. But there's more

1682
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:53,720
seeing of ghosts that comes up in season four. There's

1683
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:57,840
an interesting sequence where when Tony meets the Mercedes salesman

1684
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,640
girlfriend and they go to have their affair at the

1685
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:06,560
zoo and it's in the snake reptile room. So you

1686
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:11,960
have this weird Adam Eves symbolism going on here once again,

1687
01:38:12,199 --> 01:38:16,960
because as you know, this woman herself is a little unstable.

1688
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:19,800
We later find out that, well, we know that she's

1689
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:23,800
actually going to the psychiatrist with Tony, right, they're seeing

1690
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:26,680
the same psychiatrist. That's how they meet. Tony goes and

1691
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:31,199
flirts with her and they start having an affair. But

1692
01:38:31,239 --> 01:38:35,279
then Tony realizes that this woman is way unstable, and Tony,

1693
01:38:35,359 --> 01:38:38,359
being the sort of psychopath that he is, like he

1694
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:41,920
is bad for her. Right, so she ends up obviously

1695
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:44,880
you know, dying. She ends up killing herself. And so

1696
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:50,800
once again we see that it's emblematic, it's foreshadowing that

1697
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,239
that Tony is a bringer of death. He's almost an

1698
01:38:54,279 --> 01:38:57,000
angel of death. I mean, what is a what is

1699
01:38:57,039 --> 01:38:59,119
a warrior? But an a version of like an angel

1700
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:02,880
of death. He's a bringer of death everywhere he goes, right,

1701
01:39:03,239 --> 01:39:06,359
It's it's almost like he is kind of the serpent, right,

1702
01:39:06,359 --> 01:39:08,720
And that sequence where they have the affair in the

1703
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:13,399
reptile room at the Zoo. It's specifically showing you the

1704
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:18,479
snake to associate Tony with, you know, the serpent, the

1705
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,079
woman with Eve, and it's in the fallen state. I

1706
01:39:21,079 --> 01:39:22,439
thought that was really well done.

1707
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 4: It's interesting that that Tony has made it to the

1708
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:30,920
top of the food chain in his circles, but nothing

1709
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:35,560
he does or has brings him any happiness. Even his gumars,

1710
01:39:36,279 --> 01:39:38,279
all of them turn out to be a giant pain

1711
01:39:38,359 --> 01:39:41,800
in the butt. So nothing that he has he can

1712
01:39:42,119 --> 01:39:42,560
enjoy it.

1713
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the pleasures end up being pain and punishment.

1714
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,600
That's the irony here, is that all the things that

1715
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,600
you think are going to be the pleasures that make

1716
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,640
you happy to turn into punishments. And that's that's the

1717
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,920
irony of the hedonistic life. And even in that episode,

1718
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,560
there's I think it's Polly, there's a reference it somewhere

1719
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:04,079
to predators and snakes and they're watching a TV show

1720
01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:07,119
and Paulie is funny because he's always saying these stupid

1721
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:11,680
things that really annoy Tony. He's got that, he's got

1722
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,239
that laugh that Tony can't stand the joke. He can't

1723
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:16,720
stand Pauli's jokes. He thinks they're really dumb. I swear

1724
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,840
t do it, but it's great tea. And then they're

1725
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,640
watching some show about snakes or something, and then Polly

1726
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,079
has some funny line about it's like the snake in Genesis.

1727
01:40:27,359 --> 01:40:30,319
You know, he starts talking about it's like the Bible teah,

1728
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:34,279
but it's actually true what Pauli's saying. What's the funny part.

1729
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:38,039
Speaker 4: Fun fact about Polly is his character, I mean his

1730
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:42,680
in real life. He has a rap sheet that was

1731
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:47,640
longer than his acting credits. So he was arrested they

1732
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:52,079
say twenty eight times. So Polly was a real, live.

1733
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 2: Criminal, so kind of a real I don't know if

1734
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,399
he was an actual mobster, but at least somebody with

1735
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,880
a big criminal rap sheet. And if you watch interviews,

1736
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:05,680
I watched an interview with the cast present like it

1737
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,119
was last year or so, twenty or so years after

1738
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:12,520
the show, and the funny thing was that most of

1739
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,840
the characters are kind of what you would expect them

1740
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:16,479
to be. They're more or less who they are in

1741
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,399
the show in terms of the way they talk and

1742
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:25,560
the voices and whatnot. But Polly and Pussy are literally

1743
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:30,399
the same, like they're that guy. That's really how Polly was,

1744
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:32,319
and somebody's saying he was really a monster, so I

1745
01:41:32,319 --> 01:41:34,920
wouldn't be surprised. But in his interviews, that's how any

1746
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,640
he dresses the same, Like he literally dresses just like

1747
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:42,199
that guy. I mean, it's funny. Yeah, yes, the same Harry,

1748
01:41:42,199 --> 01:41:45,560
He's got the same you know, big what do you

1749
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:50,720
call those seventies shirts with the big these coloring? But

1750
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,319
there's a name for those, like a wing color. The

1751
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:54,319
seventies one.

1752
01:41:54,399 --> 01:41:57,359
Speaker 4: The fashions in this show were terrible, like it was

1753
01:41:57,399 --> 01:42:01,279
like the worst of the nineties. We fashions for women.

1754
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,560
I don't think I liked one of Carmela's hairdoos.

1755
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:09,079
Speaker 2: Well, Cammela had the ultimate wine Mom Karen at one point,

1756
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:11,239
I remember she got the Karen like.

1757
01:42:11,279 --> 01:42:13,359
Speaker 4: I didn't think her hairdis could get any worse, and

1758
01:42:13,359 --> 01:42:15,560
then she got the Karen haircut. I can believe it.

1759
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:28,119
Speaker 2: My mother's grave tea. Haven't you read Santazo. There was

1760
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,439
a great episode where they showed HUD as a scam.

1761
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:33,880
I thought that was fascinating. If you know about the

1762
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:37,000
history of HUD housing urban development, if you know about

1763
01:42:37,039 --> 01:42:42,399
Katherine Austin fits her whole many of the things that

1764
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:46,399
she writes about talks about deals with scammery and hud.

1765
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,039
That actually comes up in one of these episodes with

1766
01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:54,600
the housing development scam that they organize they clear out

1767
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:58,199
the crackheads. That part was pretty funny, how they hire

1768
01:42:58,279 --> 01:43:00,399
other gangs to come in and clear out the brackhead

1769
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,720
so that they can revitalize these houses. But it's all

1770
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,359
a scam because the houses are like way overvalued for

1771
01:43:07,399 --> 01:43:09,000
what they are, so it's really just a way to

1772
01:43:09,039 --> 01:43:12,760
funnel money. There's an interesting scam that they thought up.

1773
01:43:13,199 --> 01:43:17,159
Speaker 4: One season they were all involved in a giant mega

1774
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:21,640
building from the city, a big esplanade, a new construction site.

1775
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:26,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that becomes the main money making thing from season

1776
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:29,439
four to six where Tony finally gets in on something

1777
01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:32,079
really big. Right, So this is this is a common

1778
01:43:32,079 --> 01:43:35,359
theme in you know, mafia movies, like in The Godfather

1779
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:39,520
where Godfather won. They're just a local kind of crime family.

1780
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:45,039
Then they expand to Vegas and by season three, Michael

1781
01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:49,119
Corleone has gone global. He's making giant land deals that

1782
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:53,039
need the Vatican approval. So he's also created a think tank,

1783
01:43:53,079 --> 01:43:55,600
a foundation, a tax refoundation, but not think tank of

1784
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:59,479
an ngo, a tax refoundation to hide money. So the

1785
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,159
common thing in the Mob movies is going from the

1786
01:44:02,199 --> 01:44:07,439
small time to big time. And so this big water

1787
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,880
land deal, the development deal is a big part of

1788
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:14,479
how Tony is finally going to, you know, become a

1789
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:18,159
really wealthy person if all of this pays off, right.

1790
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:21,600
So it's all built up to this big Esplanada land deal,

1791
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:23,760
this big development where they're going to make a big

1792
01:44:24,119 --> 01:44:26,199
it's like, I don't know, like a big mall shopping

1793
01:44:26,279 --> 01:44:33,039
plaza right by the water in Jersey there. Let me say,

1794
01:44:33,079 --> 01:44:40,159
let's go on. Horse is yeah. So Tony the horse

1795
01:44:40,199 --> 01:44:43,760
is interesting because Tony eventually really bonds with this race

1796
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:46,479
horse that he bets on. Her name is his name

1797
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:51,119
is Pyo Ma, and the horse wins Tony so much

1798
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:54,399
money that he buys it, and he loves this horse

1799
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:56,560
more than he loves anyone else. This is another interesting

1800
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,159
thing where a lot of times I guess psychopathic type

1801
01:44:59,159 --> 01:45:01,840
people because they can't bond with humans, they'll bond with animals.

1802
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:05,119
And so he bonds with his horse and then the horse,

1803
01:45:06,199 --> 01:45:09,840
you got it, dies, He gets cooked, he burns up.

1804
01:45:10,319 --> 01:45:13,479
I mean, it's almost like the horse ends up damned,

1805
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,159
so to speak, right, just like.

1806
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:17,920
Speaker 4: Everybody else that loves Tony.

1807
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 2: And so did well, Tony is a bringer of death

1808
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:26,399
and the horse ends up cooked literally, And this is

1809
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:32,000
another foreshadowing obviously what's going to happen to Tony's luck. Tony's fortune,

1810
01:45:32,119 --> 01:45:35,199
Tony's luck is eventually going to run out. This is why,

1811
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,840
you know when he's betting and gambling in season four

1812
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:42,439
and five, he can't lose, like he's just it's everybody's

1813
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,319
kind of amazed at his like he just puts the

1814
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:50,119
tokens down and you knows he wins. Then by season six,

1815
01:45:50,399 --> 01:45:53,359
we have that important episode where he starts losing and

1816
01:45:53,399 --> 01:45:56,560
he actually loses a lot of money and bets. That's

1817
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,600
another thing that's foreshadowing what's gonna happen to Tony, right,

1818
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:04,680
This is on Tony's It's it's the final act of

1819
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:09,520
Tony's story. By season six, then we have the war

1820
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:13,119
with Johnny Sack and all of that. Johnny Sack basically

1821
01:46:13,319 --> 01:46:16,039
is the rival in the New York family to running

1822
01:46:16,079 --> 01:46:19,800
things with Carmine Jr. Carmeon Junior is kind of incompetent,

1823
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:27,479
just kind of a goofball, but Tony can manipulate Carmine

1824
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,960
Junior better than he can manipulate Johnny Sack. And so

1825
01:46:31,039 --> 01:46:33,920
this there's this rivalry, and as we know, it doesn't

1826
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:36,960
go well for Johnny Sack. You even think that maybe

1827
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:41,319
Johnny Sack will finally be Tony's downfall. Nope, he gets cancer,

1828
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:45,239
ends up dead. So basically, at that point, when Johnny

1829
01:46:45,319 --> 01:46:50,680
Sack dies, Tony's won. There's nobody else to even come

1830
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,279
against her stand against Tony. There's no more rivals, there's

1831
01:46:53,319 --> 01:46:56,720
no the battle is won. There's nobody else that can

1832
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,520
can conceivably take Tony down. But that that's what's so

1833
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:05,439
great about how he does fall is that it's a

1834
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:10,640
random guy. You don't ever even expect. It's nobody, it's

1835
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:15,119
nobody important, it's nobody powerful. It's just some really pissed

1836
01:47:15,159 --> 01:47:21,760
off guy. Basically, let's see what else. Tony has a

1837
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,680
really interesting dream where he meets with people that he's

1838
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:33,560
killed Ralphie Pussy, and he sees the caterpillar and the

1839
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:38,800
transformation to the butterfly. The caterpillars, i think, crawling on

1840
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:43,239
Ralph's head and then it turns into it transforms into

1841
01:47:43,279 --> 01:47:48,359
the butterfly and so I think this is it's a

1842
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:52,159
if it may not directly be an MK ultra monarch reference,

1843
01:47:53,279 --> 01:47:55,359
it's possible given the fact that the writers of the

1844
01:47:55,399 --> 01:47:59,279
show obviously do have awareness of the CIA's programs. The

1845
01:47:59,319 --> 01:48:03,520
CIA is reallylationship to the mafia. It's it's very possible

1846
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:07,560
that they have a knowledge of Project Monarch. Perhaps there's

1847
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,680
a Project Monarch element to Tony that's maybe not directly

1848
01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:14,920
being done by the CIA. But then again, maybe Tony

1849
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:19,800
is in therapy, uh, and maybe he's been profiled as

1850
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:24,439
somebody useful. Maybe the FEDS have Tony right in therapy

1851
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:28,359
and and they've organized this right That's that's just speculating,

1852
01:48:28,359 --> 01:48:31,800
and that's never stated. I'm just saying that, who knows.

1853
01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:34,600
What do you think it means that Tony has this

1854
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,800
dream where he sees the people that he's killed and

1855
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:41,119
then he sees the caterpillar turning into the butterfly? Is it?

1856
01:48:41,159 --> 01:48:43,159
Is it? It is a monarch reference? Or is it

1857
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:45,359
just symbolic? I mean, in a lot of cases in

1858
01:48:45,399 --> 01:48:50,680
literature or or imagery, monarchs are just the symbols of

1859
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,920
people transforming that they're they're turning into something new. It's

1860
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,479
the character turning over a new leaf. It's the character,

1861
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,960
you know, coming to a new phase in his life, right,

1862
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:03,880
And this does happen around this time where Tony has

1863
01:49:04,039 --> 01:49:08,079
his near death experience two or three. He gets shot

1864
01:49:08,119 --> 01:49:11,520
at the beginning of season six. He's in the coma

1865
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:16,000
for several episodes, and then there's the sequence of several

1866
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:20,000
episodes where Tony is in the in between. He's in

1867
01:49:20,039 --> 01:49:26,520
this ether, quasi purgatory, realm of the dead middle. We

1868
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:29,800
don't know exactly where it is, but Tony's having to

1869
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,039
try to figure his way out of this labyrinth that

1870
01:49:32,079 --> 01:49:35,439
he's stuck in, in this half dead, half awake state.

1871
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:37,359
What do you think?

1872
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:41,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, what else do you got?

1873
01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:45,279
Speaker 2: This is where we start realizing that the therapy's not

1874
01:49:45,359 --> 01:49:53,119
really doing anything, the Prozac's not doing anything. The Satan

1875
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:55,760
there's something some reference to Satan but I can't read my.

1876
01:49:55,720 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 5: Note episode Yeah, but that was actually kind of just

1877
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:03,079
a joke, remember, because they did a quote seance and

1878
01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:09,680
aj played a joke on Video's kid No, I.

1879
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 2: Can't read that note something Janice satan oh Janis plays

1880
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,640
the Ouiji board joke where she she instant messages the

1881
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,520
kids and pretends she's Satan. That was funny. That's it

1882
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,239
where Janis is a Satan character. But even though it's

1883
01:50:25,279 --> 01:50:31,960
a joke, what's interesting is that Aj, Janice, Tony, Carmela,

1884
01:50:32,199 --> 01:50:34,600
they all sort of exhibit a lot of traits and

1885
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:38,760
characteristics of being evil in a lot of ways. Not

1886
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:42,960
totally evil, but they're definitely an evil family. You could say,

1887
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:48,680
Tony dreams that he is the that he's his grandfather

1888
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:52,560
looking for work. And the reason that I think that's

1889
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:55,359
important is that that's kind of hitting at the possibility

1890
01:50:55,399 --> 01:51:00,640
of this being a Ulysses type situation James Joyce reincarnation.

1891
01:51:02,079 --> 01:51:05,960
Tony is seeing his grandfather's experience of being an immigrant,

1892
01:51:06,079 --> 01:51:09,239
poor with no money and walking around trying to find

1893
01:51:09,239 --> 01:51:12,159
a job. Because Tony tells the story to Aj, right,

1894
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:16,800
and that's just showing that he is his ancestors, and

1895
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,279
then who's his ancestors all the way back? Well, potentially

1896
01:51:20,359 --> 01:51:25,119
he is a reincarnated general. Maybe he's a Roman general.

1897
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,000
And now I don't believe recarnation. I'm just saying that

1898
01:51:27,039 --> 01:51:29,560
from a literary perspective, this is common in literature.

1899
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:33,000
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting that Tony's son turns out to

1900
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:37,800
be a sensitive kid and there's no way that AJ

1901
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:43,000
could ever take Tony's place. He's taken on his depression

1902
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:50,239
in all of his psychological problems, but he doesn't have

1903
01:51:50,279 --> 01:51:53,800
any of Tony's grit exactly.

1904
01:51:54,640 --> 01:51:59,079
Speaker 2: He's the antithesis to Tony. He's the failed heir apparent.

1905
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:04,960
He has no intelligence and he has no courage. AJ

1906
01:52:05,239 --> 01:52:11,840
is terrified, mainly terrified of Tony, right, And this is

1907
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,479
the sense in which we see the sins of the

1908
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,520
father passed on to the to the child, because when

1909
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,920
Tony's in therapy, he bitches about the fact that, you know,

1910
01:52:20,159 --> 01:52:22,960
all the ways that his parents failed him, and he's

1911
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:24,960
totally oblivious throughout his life to the way that he

1912
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:30,359
fails AJ and Meadow. Next comes really important literary references.

1913
01:52:30,439 --> 01:52:34,520
So we have Heloe's and Abelard, we have Sons Zoo,

1914
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,720
we have Animal Farm being referenced and Lord of the Flies,

1915
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:40,880
and then we have Cold Mountain. So remember, all of

1916
01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,439
the literary references in the show are very important to

1917
01:52:43,600 --> 01:52:46,880
understanding what kind of a show and what kind of

1918
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:51,159
a tragedy this is. Okay, so something like animal Form,

1919
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:53,640
we know that this is about, you know, control, it's

1920
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:56,520
about It's similar to nineteen eighty four. It's you know,

1921
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,039
the it's a New World Order critique kind of you

1922
01:52:59,079 --> 01:53:02,159
know work from orwell. It was very famously printed and

1923
01:53:02,199 --> 01:53:05,319
published by the CIA during the Cold War. A j

1924
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:07,439
has to read this Lord of the Flies. We know

1925
01:53:07,479 --> 01:53:11,600
that's about the law of the jungle versus uh, the

1926
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:14,359
law of being ruled by law and order?

1927
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:14,680
Speaker 4: Right?

1928
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:17,439
Speaker 2: Is it going to be might makes right? Or is

1929
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:21,399
it going to be a constitution law, law and order? Uh,

1930
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:26,279
you know, rule by law Cold Mountain. I mean I

1931
01:53:26,399 --> 01:53:28,479
didn't read that. That's like a boomer mom book. I'm

1932
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:30,840
not going to read. But I remember it being about,

1933
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,439
you know, the Civil War, and it has to do

1934
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:39,279
with you know, dying and love, love death, waiting on

1935
01:53:39,319 --> 01:53:42,239
a lover. Yeah, so that could you could see that

1936
01:53:42,279 --> 01:53:44,800
as just another tragedy, isn't it a tragedy? Doesn't somebody

1937
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:54,479
and I'm dead? Carmela begins to cheat or she actually does. Well,

1938
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:57,199
they're they're kind of split up. I don't think they

1939
01:53:57,359 --> 01:54:01,359
ever get divorced. But she finds uh a guide AJ's

1940
01:54:01,359 --> 01:54:04,119
admissions guidance counselor guy, and they have a brief fling

1941
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:09,800
and that's where we get the helloas Abelard reference. Then

1942
01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:13,960
we start getting the references to attention deficit disorder IBS,

1943
01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:18,880
irritable bal syndrome, new diagnoses that were new at the

1944
01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:23,399
time early two thousands popping up once again. Tony has

1945
01:54:23,439 --> 01:54:26,920
another dream sequence where he sees the dead. He sees

1946
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:32,039
Carmine sr. Carmine Senor says, I'm worried about the man upstairs.

1947
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:35,760
So there's the direct reference to God. And then Tony,

1948
01:54:35,960 --> 01:54:40,359
in this really wild surrealist dream sequence, sees himself on

1949
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:45,119
TV as a TV show. So there's a meta fourth

1950
01:54:45,319 --> 01:54:48,359
wall break where Tony is watching Tony on a TV

1951
01:54:48,439 --> 01:54:57,039
show and then we see a, uh, there's Carmela in

1952
01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:00,279
this sequence is watching a TV show for get what

1953
01:55:00,359 --> 01:55:02,640
it changes to something like France or something, and this

1954
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:10,079
presignifies who are going to France. I think the dream

1955
01:55:10,359 --> 01:55:13,800
is a premonition something bad is going to happen, right,

1956
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,039
So that's what's said in this dream. Then we have

1957
01:55:16,079 --> 01:55:21,159
the opening sequence that's very interesting about Egyptian mythology, Egyptology,

1958
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,640
the Seven Souls of the Egyptian after life and death

1959
01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:30,760
ka Bah. These different references to Egyptology. This is the

1960
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,000
key to what I'm talking about. This is the esoteric

1961
01:55:34,079 --> 01:55:37,479
significance of the whole show. It's giving you that old

1962
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:44,399
school transmigration of souls James Joyce Ulysses kind of analysis. Again,

1963
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:47,840
that's common to the ancient Greek mind. Read Plato's Republic.

1964
01:55:48,119 --> 01:55:52,079
He teaches reincarnation, transmigration of souls. That's Socrates, that's Plato,

1965
01:55:52,319 --> 01:55:57,840
that's the Greeks. Presumably other Roman literature as well, probably Virgil.

1966
01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:01,359
I'm trying to remember if the India has reincarnation. Probably

1967
01:56:02,399 --> 01:56:04,039
it's been a long time, so looked that they needed.

1968
01:56:04,079 --> 01:56:07,279
But the point is that that same idea is also

1969
01:56:07,439 --> 01:56:12,319
in ancient Egyptian philosophy and theology. Egyptology also has these

1970
01:56:12,359 --> 01:56:16,119
ideas as well. I think that's the meaning of that sequence.

1971
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:18,920
That's really weird where you have the episode that opens

1972
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:22,479
with why would you have an episode opening with Egyptology?

1973
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,359
I mean that's just like what, right. I don't think

1974
01:56:25,399 --> 01:56:27,880
most people would have gotten this unless you knew kind

1975
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:34,039
of about esoteric type of stuff. I made a joke

1976
01:56:34,039 --> 01:56:37,000
about or I was thinking of Tony as Dougie, right

1977
01:56:37,479 --> 01:56:40,239
when Tony's in the dream world. No, it's when he

1978
01:56:40,279 --> 01:56:42,720
first comes out of his coma, right when he's had

1979
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:45,279
his near death experience. He comes back and he's like

1980
01:56:45,359 --> 01:56:50,760
Dougie in season three or twin Peaks. Then we get

1981
01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:55,359
the fall of Junior. Junior in is up with dementia.

1982
01:56:57,079 --> 01:56:59,720
The Junior episode is the key. So let's remember that

1983
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,600
by season six, we're now starting to get where the

1984
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:07,239
whole show is going. We see in season actually season six,

1985
01:57:07,319 --> 01:57:09,600
episode one is the key to the whole end of

1986
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,560
the show, to the finale, and to all of season six,

1987
01:57:13,159 --> 01:57:18,399
because Junior, with dementia grabs the gun thinks Tony is

1988
01:57:18,439 --> 01:57:21,279
an intruder. Because Junior is basically living in another time,

1989
01:57:22,119 --> 01:57:24,920
he thinks it's the sixties, and so he thinks that

1990
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:28,840
all these you know, old whatever operations and scams they

1991
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:33,359
were doing in the sixties is happening now. This this

1992
01:57:35,600 --> 01:57:39,399
mental state of Junior basically going back in time. This

1993
01:57:39,439 --> 01:57:43,760
is another reference to this whole idea of reincarnation. It's

1994
01:57:43,880 --> 01:57:47,479
the fact that Junior is living in another time because

1995
01:57:47,560 --> 01:57:52,560
actually the other characters are just it's an eternal return.

1996
01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:57,279
They're representing the tragedies of the ancient world. It's all

1997
01:57:57,399 --> 01:58:01,840
just recurring. That's the whole philosophy here, that's the Egyptian philosophy.

1998
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:03,600
I think I think that's right. I'm not any expert

1999
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:07,640
on Egyptology, but I think that's correct. If I'm wrong

2000
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:11,520
about Egyptology and the seven souls of the Egyptian after

2001
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,800
life and death and after life, somebody can correct me

2002
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:20,520
in the chat. But I think that's right. But where

2003
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:24,800
was that going with? So episode one of season six,

2004
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:30,359
Junior shoots Tony and it ends with Tony dying basically,

2005
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:34,600
not totally, but going into this what you think is

2006
01:58:34,600 --> 01:58:36,840
his death. He lays there, the phones next to him,

2007
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:39,279
he barely hits nine to one to one, and then

2008
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:42,680
the camera comes down or up. I forget how it goes,

2009
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,640
but you just see Tony laying there in blood, and

2010
01:58:45,640 --> 01:58:49,359
then you see Tony laying in the hospital bed. Those

2011
01:58:49,399 --> 01:58:52,920
are sequences that will tell you in the final episode

2012
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:57,399
what's going to happen. It's a foreshadowing. It's a almost

2013
01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:01,880
death foreshadowing the death it Tony is going to die

2014
01:59:02,159 --> 01:59:05,159
the beginning. I think it's the beginning. This is spoiler alert.

2015
01:59:05,239 --> 01:59:09,479
The finale. It opens with Tony again laying in the

2016
01:59:09,479 --> 01:59:12,439
bed asleep, and some music is playing, some weird music.

2017
01:59:12,479 --> 01:59:14,960
I forget what it is. In the Goofy Organs or

2018
01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:19,600
something that he hears, and that's foreshadowing that. Again, that

2019
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:24,680
death imagery is like sleep. It's just like season six,

2020
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:28,920
episode one, Sleep and Death right all telling you what's

2021
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:34,600
going to happen. A couple side points. There's more literary

2022
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:38,359
references here that will tell you that Tony's gonna die,

2023
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,920
and not just Tony but also a Jan Cremelo. This is,

2024
01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:45,119
of course the disputed point, but I think it's if you,

2025
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:47,399
if you really think about this, it's not that hard

2026
01:59:47,439 --> 01:59:50,800
to figure out what's going on. But basically we're we're

2027
01:59:50,840 --> 01:59:53,159
gonna have to see the death of Christopher first. Tony's

2028
01:59:53,159 --> 01:59:57,319
going to finally kill off his main guy. And the

2029
01:59:57,399 --> 02:00:00,920
reason he does it is because Christopher has gotten back

2030
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:04,279
into being an addict, right, He's back into doing heroin.

2031
02:00:04,680 --> 02:00:07,600
When Christopher wrecks the truck and almost kills them both,

2032
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:12,119
it's because he was high and because Christopher wasn't wearing

2033
02:00:12,119 --> 02:00:14,399
a seat belt, which actually Tony had told him to.

2034
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:19,520
But they roll over however many times, and Christopher is

2035
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:25,760
basically bleeding out uh, and Tony realizes that he was high,

2036
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,640
so he betrayed the promise that he would not go

2037
02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:32,039
back to Heroin. So Tony just grabs his nose right

2038
02:00:32,399 --> 02:00:35,960
and suffocates him, and then of course lies, you know,

2039
02:00:36,039 --> 02:00:38,920
oh it wasn't me, it was the Wrack blah blah blah.

2040
02:00:39,279 --> 02:00:43,359
So now basically Tony has committed his final act of

2041
02:00:43,479 --> 02:00:45,439
I guess you could say betrayal. I mean, even though

2042
02:00:45,439 --> 02:00:49,359
we know that in many ways Tony was forced to

2043
02:00:49,479 --> 02:00:53,560
kind of kill these people, there's still evil actions, right,

2044
02:00:53,560 --> 02:00:57,880
He's still this bringer of death. I think the key

2045
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:01,720
to six ironically, in terms of what's gonna happen, there's

2046
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:07,199
a couple of things that AJ does. AJ says, he

2047
02:01:07,239 --> 02:01:11,399
starts laying out these weird this sort of spouting out

2048
02:01:11,399 --> 02:01:14,439
stuff about geopolitics. It's very bizarre because AJ is a

2049
02:01:14,439 --> 02:01:18,199
complete idiot, and we think maybe AJ's realized he's an idiot,

2050
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,640
and so he starts going and reading the news and

2051
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:22,359
he starts trying to figure out in the Middle East.

2052
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:24,159
We hear him talking about, well.

2053
02:01:24,079 --> 02:01:26,079
Speaker 3: I sat in on these lectures about the Middle East,

2054
02:01:26,119 --> 02:01:28,960
and he's really weird and crazy that that kind of

2055
02:01:29,000 --> 02:01:29,880
crap's going on.

2056
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 2: And then remember what AJ says, He says, I don't know,

2057
02:01:34,079 --> 02:01:35,760
I was thinking, like I could go be in the

2058
02:01:35,800 --> 02:01:38,640
Cia or something. I could go like fight the al

2059
02:01:38,720 --> 02:01:42,680
Qaeda And then He's like, and then after that, I

2060
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:45,760
could like learn to fly helicopters, and I could be

2061
02:01:46,079 --> 02:01:50,039
Donald Trump's pilot. Tony's like, oh, is that right?

2062
02:01:50,119 --> 02:01:53,119
Speaker 3: You're gonna go be the Donald's pilot? Is that after

2063
02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:58,159
you go fly over to Iraq and killoadas over there?

2064
02:01:58,840 --> 02:02:03,279
Speaker 2: Tony just laughs at this because it's ludicrous. But there's

2065
02:02:03,359 --> 02:02:06,960
an irony that AJ has actually kind of figured out

2066
02:02:07,399 --> 02:02:13,520
some of the problem here. And AJ says America is

2067
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:19,239
like this big consumerist thing, and he says, you guys

2068
02:02:19,319 --> 02:02:24,920
talking to the family represent the excessive materialism and consumerism

2069
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:27,399
of America, and you guys are living in a dream

2070
02:02:27,439 --> 02:02:31,840
and a fantasy. And so the irony here that if

2071
02:02:31,880 --> 02:02:36,800
we were to use archetypes, AJ is the fool AJ Paully.

2072
02:02:37,439 --> 02:02:41,520
Those are full archetypes. They're idiots. But good literature will

2073
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:46,680
usually have the idiot fool character have wisdom, right, because

2074
02:02:46,680 --> 02:02:50,000
he'll have a perspective as an idiot that nobody else sees.

2075
02:02:50,079 --> 02:02:54,680
Everybody else is missing the obvious. And so again AJ Paully,

2076
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:57,399
the two fool characters are going to consistently have.

2077
02:02:57,479 --> 02:03:00,079
Speaker 4: Insights it's like that meme where the low iq.

2078
02:03:01,479 --> 02:03:08,399
Speaker 2: Exactly right, exactly exactly. Then we see Aja taking on

2079
02:03:08,479 --> 02:03:12,159
these you know, he gets really into justice in the geopolitics,

2080
02:03:12,199 --> 02:03:13,960
the Middle East and all this stuff, which he's not

2081
02:03:14,000 --> 02:03:17,000
necessarily wrong. A lot of what he starts reading about

2082
02:03:17,039 --> 02:03:19,039
he's kind of right about. And then he has that

2083
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:23,279
big spill at the at Artie's Restaurant where he calls

2084
02:03:23,319 --> 02:03:26,159
their body hypocrites and he says Americanism as stupid. It's

2085
02:03:26,199 --> 02:03:28,920
a dream, It's going to end. And this is right

2086
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:31,640
after the Big nine event, and in many ways AJ's correct.

2087
02:03:31,720 --> 02:03:36,439
Then we have Aj reading the Yates poem William Butler

2088
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:43,239
Yates Golden Dawn BFF with Crowley, the famous anti Christ poem.

2089
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:48,800
Now and maybe in a big deeper sense there's a

2090
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:54,199
meaning which is esoteric on a in times level. I

2091
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:55,960
don't really think that's what the show is going for.

2092
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:59,000
I think that they've stuck the Yates poem in here

2093
02:04:01,119 --> 02:04:06,039
because it's the beast that slouches towards Bethlehem to be

2094
02:04:06,119 --> 02:04:10,399
born is signifying the end of Tony. This is another

2095
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:14,039
ominous prediction and reference to the coming death of Tony.

2096
02:04:15,039 --> 02:04:17,920
Tony is a kind of Antichrist. Tony is a kind

2097
02:04:17,960 --> 02:04:28,600
of beast. He's consistently referred to like a beast. In

2098
02:04:28,720 --> 02:04:32,760
the Apocalypse of John, Nero is the beast. Nero is

2099
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,039
the Roman Emperor, and so in a way we could

2100
02:04:35,039 --> 02:04:37,920
almost see Tony like a kind of Roman emperor. And

2101
02:04:38,039 --> 02:04:43,880
Tony is going to meet his demise. Obviously in these

2102
02:04:44,039 --> 02:04:51,000
ominous prophetic warnings. I can't read that note something versus.

2103
02:04:53,359 --> 02:04:53,600
Speaker 3: Deep.

2104
02:04:54,560 --> 02:05:00,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what this says. Something big is coming. Yeah,

2105
02:05:00,359 --> 02:05:04,319
that's the reference to the Yates poem. Is that we

2106
02:05:04,439 --> 02:05:07,239
get the impressions something has come. It's the end times

2107
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:12,079
for Tony. That's what it means. And then we have

2108
02:05:12,199 --> 02:05:18,920
the reference to uh, is this the last page? I

2109
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:21,920
thought I had another page of notes about Tony doing acid.

2110
02:05:21,960 --> 02:05:24,920
Now that the acid sequence or the Peyote sequence is

2111
02:05:24,920 --> 02:05:30,039
important because it's another indicator of Tony seeing the beyond.

2112
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:32,800
So when he goes to Vegas to party and he

2113
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:37,439
does payote, he it's almost like his after death experience

2114
02:05:37,479 --> 02:05:40,920
where he says, has this revelation. Then he goes back

2115
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,439
and he tells the psychiat you have it in the Peyotes.

2116
02:05:44,439 --> 02:05:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you right now, do here This ain't

2117
02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:52,359
old a rich, this ain't ash. When I've done the pots.

2118
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:53,399
Speaker 2: I've seen it.

2119
02:05:53,399 --> 02:05:55,720
Speaker 3: It's more an ish, It's more than a dish.

2120
02:05:55,800 --> 02:05:58,560
Speaker 2: So Tony has seen that there is more than just

2121
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:00,800
the here and the now. And so in a sense

2122
02:06:00,840 --> 02:06:05,760
again that Peyoti vision is an indicator of his coming death.

2123
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:09,520
He's about to experience and meet that there's more than this.

2124
02:06:10,920 --> 02:06:15,159
And then we have the important reference to the CIA

2125
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:19,359
working with the mafia in season six, in the last episode,

2126
02:06:19,760 --> 02:06:22,840
I think it's like it's either the right last couple,

2127
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:25,399
but the FBI agent that is kind of, you know,

2128
02:06:25,960 --> 02:06:29,439
talking to Tony and trying to kind of butter him

2129
02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:32,000
up and get some info from him. He says, well,

2130
02:06:32,039 --> 02:06:36,239
you know, Tony, look, why don't you come tell us

2131
02:06:36,239 --> 02:06:38,880
some stuff? You know, come work with us. Look, he says,

2132
02:06:39,359 --> 02:06:44,680
your people hid and worked with the CIA when you

2133
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:49,840
guys were hiding Lucky Luciano, right, And so the FBI

2134
02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:54,239
is consciously kind of drawing on that old CIA mafia alliance.

2135
02:06:54,279 --> 02:06:58,199
It's specifically mentioned does he do ayahuasca or is it Paoti?

2136
02:06:58,279 --> 02:07:01,000
I don't remember whatever I mean. He he has a

2137
02:07:01,159 --> 02:07:07,239
serious intense trip that he references to seeing the beyond

2138
02:07:07,319 --> 02:07:13,399
the spiritual world, the afterlife. So no, so people are saying, yes,

2139
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,079
I assure you, if you go watch the show and

2140
02:07:16,079 --> 02:07:19,159
you pay attention to all these references, you're going to

2141
02:07:19,239 --> 02:07:21,600
find that this is all there. I mean that they're

2142
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:25,800
not just referencing Egyptian the Journey of the Soul after

2143
02:07:26,039 --> 02:07:31,680
after death, William Butler yeats is Chrolean poem or whatever.

2144
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:33,800
I mean. This is in there on purpose. This is

2145
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:38,119
not accidental. They're not constantly referencing the CIA's connection to

2146
02:07:38,159 --> 02:07:42,800
the mafia for no reason. It's there intentionally, okay. And

2147
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:45,439
I assure you, if you go take graduate lit classes,

2148
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:49,039
they're going to talk to you about the prevalence of

2149
02:07:49,079 --> 02:07:52,439
eternal return. If you do Joyce Ulysses, they're going to

2150
02:07:52,479 --> 02:07:57,960
talk about reincarnation. So the book's about. So that's what

2151
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:02,680
the Sopranos is about. It's an intent to tell a

2152
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:09,359
tragedy dramedy story that's like great literature and references all

2153
02:08:09,399 --> 02:08:13,960
that great literature on all of these different levels. And

2154
02:08:14,279 --> 02:08:18,399
it executed it perfectly. And by the way, just to

2155
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:23,239
sum up here, as we come to the clothes, it's

2156
02:08:23,279 --> 02:08:27,840
pretty I did not look at other analyzes before I

2157
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:33,760
formed my opinion of the finale. I watched very closely,

2158
02:08:33,840 --> 02:08:36,479
and I had taken copious notes throughout the show, so

2159
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:41,359
I was looking for symbols, patterns, recurring things, clues, and yes,

2160
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:45,319
the clue, what do we say the jacket? The jacket

2161
02:08:45,439 --> 02:08:49,399
was the clue that Richie you know, gave to Tony

2162
02:08:49,479 --> 02:08:52,199
or whatever. And then what do we get in the

2163
02:08:52,199 --> 02:08:56,840
final sequence as they enter into the diner. The guy

2164
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:59,960
in the member's only jacket. It's the same gray members

2165
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:03,079
only jacket that Gino had. Gino is the guy that

2166
02:09:03,119 --> 02:09:07,359
Tony screwed over. We know that Tony's gonna die because

2167
02:09:07,359 --> 02:09:10,960
of season six, episode one, which foreshadows the finale. We

2168
02:09:11,039 --> 02:09:14,039
know that Tony is dying again. Obviously if you if

2169
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:17,239
you read other people's analysis, this became very clear because

2170
02:09:17,439 --> 02:09:21,199
when Tony is talking to who's the fat guy that

2171
02:09:21,319 --> 02:09:24,359
ends up with Jennis? Bobby Bobby and they're out on

2172
02:09:24,399 --> 02:09:28,960
the boat and Bobby says, I think it's like, you know,

2173
02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:33,720
you don't hear nothing. You just you go black, You

2174
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:37,159
don't hear nothing, and Tony's Tony is sitting there and

2175
02:09:37,159 --> 02:09:38,720
he hears him say this, and he thinks about it

2176
02:09:38,760 --> 02:09:43,560
and then Tony remembers Syl explaining that when he was

2177
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:46,239
out at dinner and somebody came in and shot the

2178
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:50,600
person he was with, Sill says, I didn't hear nothing.

2179
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:54,039
You don't hear nothing. It's like it goes black.

2180
02:09:54,399 --> 02:09:57,399
Speaker 3: You see a you see a blash, a flash.

2181
02:09:57,039 --> 02:10:02,439
Speaker 2: Of light, and then afterwards you hear so And the

2182
02:10:02,479 --> 02:10:05,560
way that episode was shot is that the gun goes

2183
02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:09,279
off and then you hear it. So they wanted you

2184
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:12,520
to have that vantage point that still had in that episode.

2185
02:10:12,960 --> 02:10:15,680
They wanted you to pay attention to the member's only jacket.

2186
02:10:16,039 --> 02:10:19,039
And it's not Geno that kills because Geno commits suicide.

2187
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:24,960
So presumably this guy with Gino's gray members only jacket, right,

2188
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:30,760
that's his brother, some relative that's furious that Tony is

2189
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:34,680
the reason his brother killed himself. Or presumably he thinks

2190
02:10:34,760 --> 02:10:35,680
that Tony killed.

2191
02:10:35,479 --> 02:10:39,880
Speaker 4: The guy, right, Because season six, he's got all these

2192
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:46,640
landlines that he has to navigate, and he presumably comes

2193
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:51,640
out on top at the end, But he has not

2194
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:58,000
improved his soul. He hasn't repented of anything. He went

2195
02:10:58,039 --> 02:11:00,199
back to his cheating, he went back to lying, start

2196
02:11:00,199 --> 02:11:00,920
to killing people.

2197
02:11:04,359 --> 02:11:08,119
Speaker 2: Yes, don't forget too, uh, Polly. Polly is key to

2198
02:11:08,199 --> 02:11:12,439
understanding the last episode, ironically, because Polly has the vision

2199
02:11:12,520 --> 02:11:16,039
of Mary in the strip club. I sink the virgin stript,

2200
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,199
I tell you, Tea. I don't tell nobody this usually,

2201
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:21,840
but I sink the Virgin Mary. I seen them in

2202
02:11:21,880 --> 02:11:25,520
the club and the butto being on My Life, tea,

2203
02:11:26,119 --> 02:11:29,199
I've seen it. So he sees Mary and this is

2204
02:11:29,239 --> 02:11:32,760
an omen and it freaks Paulie out. That's not at

2205
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:35,000
the last up, it's but later on. And then Polly

2206
02:11:35,079 --> 02:11:39,640
sees this cat and the cat stares at Christopher, the

2207
02:11:39,680 --> 02:11:44,279
picture of Christopher in their little restaurant room there and

2208
02:11:44,319 --> 02:11:46,520
if and Paulie's really superstitious, and he's.

2209
02:11:46,399 --> 02:11:48,600
Speaker 6: Like, get rid of that cat. I don't like that cat.

2210
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:50,039
I don't like cats. I don't like that cat.

2211
02:11:50,039 --> 02:11:52,119
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill that cat. And they're all at that

2212
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:54,279
leave it a cat alone. I like that cat.

2213
02:11:54,399 --> 02:11:54,960
Speaker 3: Leave him alone.

2214
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:57,239
Speaker 2: He's just looking at a picture. He's so superstitious were

2215
02:11:57,279 --> 02:11:59,119
talking about, and he's I'm gonna kill that cat.

2216
02:11:59,119 --> 02:11:59,319
Speaker 1: Tea.

2217
02:11:59,560 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 2: I sweat got him, gonna call that kit tea And

2218
02:12:02,319 --> 02:12:06,319
the cat walks out in the last sequence, and Polly

2219
02:12:06,399 --> 02:12:06,960
looks at.

2220
02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:09,640
Speaker 6: It, and he knows it's an omen. He's like, something bait,

2221
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:12,560
It's gonna happen. That cat, something bait, it's gonna happen.

2222
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:16,319
I'm telling you tea, Tony's gonna get killed. Now, why

2223
02:12:16,359 --> 02:12:18,880
would there be a sequence of the Omen of the

2224
02:12:18,920 --> 02:12:23,279
Cat if nothing bad happens. Obviously, something bad happens in

2225
02:12:23,359 --> 02:12:27,439
the last sequence, and when Tony walks in and the

2226
02:12:28,479 --> 02:12:29,119
guy who.

2227
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:31,479
Speaker 2: Did the show or the whoever produced that director of

2228
02:12:31,479 --> 02:12:34,680
the final episode talks about the fact that they intentionally

2229
02:12:34,720 --> 02:12:37,119
wanted it to be like two thousand and one, where

2230
02:12:37,159 --> 02:12:42,800
Bowman sees he dissociates, he sees himself. When Tony walks

2231
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:46,600
into the diner, Tony's standing in the doorway, he sees

2232
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:50,720
himself sitting at the other end of the restaurant, looking

2233
02:12:50,760 --> 02:12:54,199
back at himself. The director says, I intentionally wanted that

2234
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,479
to be like the sequence in two thousand and one

2235
02:12:56,520 --> 02:13:00,199
with Bowman seeing himself in these different phases of his life.

2236
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:03,520
Tony is dissociating, he's seeing himself, he's seeing that he's

2237
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:06,960
about to die, but he doesn't exactly know how this

2238
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:08,640
is gonna go down. So he goes and he sits

2239
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:13,119
down the dings of the door obviously are the key, Like,

2240
02:13:13,159 --> 02:13:15,520
these dings have no meaning if nobody's gonna get killed.

2241
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:18,880
But the ding is telling you that every time Tony

2242
02:13:18,920 --> 02:13:21,680
hears a ding, he's got to look up because it

2243
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:24,560
could be somebody walking into killing. This is the life

2244
02:13:24,600 --> 02:13:29,079
that Tony's lived. And so the whole point of the

2245
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:33,239
parking sequence with Meadow is because it's telling you that

2246
02:13:33,399 --> 02:13:38,359
Meadow is missing. Luckily, she's about to miss this bad

2247
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:44,000
ultimate end times that's coming. So yes, the guy in

2248
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:47,319
the member's only jacket gets up walks into the bathroom.

2249
02:13:47,439 --> 02:13:50,560
Why is he going into the bathroom? Because what does

2250
02:13:51,039 --> 02:13:56,560
AJ say to Tony? Tony, he says, Dad, Dad, Your

2251
02:13:56,600 --> 02:14:00,199
favorite scene in The Godfather is when Michael Corleone.

2252
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:02,760
Speaker 3: Gets to go get the gun in the bathroom.

2253
02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:05,920
Speaker 2: That's obviously the key. If you've watched The godfel you

2254
02:14:05,960 --> 02:14:09,119
know it. AJ tells Tony that they've watched the movie

2255
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:12,199
a thousand times and it's Tony's favorite scene. That's how

2256
02:14:12,239 --> 02:14:14,800
Tony's gonna die. The guy in the member's only jacket

2257
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:17,880
is going into the bathroom just like The Godfather. It's obvious, right,

2258
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:22,439
And then of course the whole point of the final sequence, obviously,

2259
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:26,000
is that it goes black because he doesn't hear it,

2260
02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:29,800
and he doesn't hear it because of what Sill and

2261
02:14:29,880 --> 02:14:31,800
Bobby told him. I don't think you even hear it

2262
02:14:31,840 --> 02:14:35,199
when it happens, you just go black, right, And that's

2263
02:14:35,239 --> 02:14:38,560
why the ding of the door is Meadow not being

2264
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:44,119
shot and presumably Carmela and Aj being killed. So Tony, Carmela,

2265
02:14:44,199 --> 02:14:47,760
and Aj all end up dead, and it's clear that

2266
02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:52,720
a Meadow has for whatever reason, avoided this because I

2267
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:54,600
don't know. I mean, you could argue why she's not.

2268
02:14:54,920 --> 02:14:56,840
Is it just fate? Is it just chance? Is it

2269
02:14:56,880 --> 02:15:00,520
because she was the first to realize it was all problem.

2270
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:06,600
Speaker 4: Maybe because she got a legitimate job and didn't choose

2271
02:15:06,640 --> 02:15:07,439
a life of crime.

2272
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:09,680
Speaker 2: Well there was another Yeah, in the last season, there's

2273
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:11,760
an important sequence where she gets drunk. Do you remember

2274
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:15,239
that she has her drunken breakdown at when they're all

2275
02:15:15,279 --> 02:15:20,119
singing songs and she starts she's no, they're at the restaurant,

2276
02:15:20,119 --> 02:15:24,439
and she starts throwing things. Okay, but they're at the restaurant, yeah,

2277
02:15:24,479 --> 02:15:28,399
and she's she's throwing things that Junior when he's singing, right,

2278
02:15:28,520 --> 02:15:31,239
And then she gets up and has her drunken tell

2279
02:15:31,279 --> 02:15:34,279
them all off. But what she says is true, right,

2280
02:15:34,399 --> 02:15:39,199
So so maybe because she saw what was true and

2281
02:15:39,319 --> 02:15:43,279
acted on it, and she she remembers, she distances herself,

2282
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:45,960
she moves out of the house, she goes off, she

2283
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,760
wants to be at college. She wants to be away

2284
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:52,239
from them. She goes to California, not even because he

2285
02:15:52,279 --> 02:15:56,159
really likes that guy, it's to get away. So maybe

2286
02:15:56,199 --> 02:16:00,760
she's spared because the impetus for most of the show

2287
02:16:01,479 --> 02:16:03,199
on the part of Meadow is to get out of

2288
02:16:03,239 --> 02:16:05,159
that lifestyle and to get away from her family. Even

2289
02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:07,920
though she loves her family, she knows deep down that

2290
02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:10,920
this is wrong. They're all wrong. There's something seriously wrong

2291
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:13,840
with his family, but she can't get them to admit it.

2292
02:16:14,399 --> 02:16:17,800
And aj even though he also kind of starts to

2293
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:21,159
realize this, he's just an idiot. He doesn't do anything

2294
02:16:21,880 --> 02:16:24,279
to make a change or to get out of this.

2295
02:16:24,600 --> 02:16:30,439
He just is there. He's like a rock. So I

2296
02:16:30,479 --> 02:16:33,040
think there may be a couple of the details that

2297
02:16:33,079 --> 02:16:36,200
I'm forgetting. Remember the horse getting burned. I mean, basically,

2298
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:39,360
anything that Tony does find an attachment to ends up dead.

2299
02:16:40,040 --> 02:16:41,680
I don't think the bear ends up dead, but the

2300
02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:45,639
Baron never comes back. But there's other clues I'm sure

2301
02:16:45,639 --> 02:16:50,639
that I'm missing. And when it comes to what may

2302
02:16:50,680 --> 02:16:54,879
have been the reason for Tony being killed, some people,

2303
02:16:54,920 --> 02:17:00,520
I think speculate that maybe the Member's only guy Gino

2304
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:05,000
had been flipped and the members only jacket guy. I

2305
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:08,040
think there's a statement made to Gino that you're the

2306
02:17:08,159 --> 02:17:12,360
FBI's top hitter now, so maybe they had turned Geno,

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02:17:12,600 --> 02:17:15,840
or maybe this is an FBI hit on Tony. I

2308
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:20,360
don't know. You could speculate that The only other plausible

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02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:25,520
sort of theory is that Tony's not killed. It's just

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02:17:25,639 --> 02:17:30,600
giving you the sequence the experience of Tony that at

2311
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:33,719
every moment he does fear for his life. I don't

2312
02:17:33,760 --> 02:17:36,239
buy that. I mean, there's all of these clues throughout

2313
02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:39,280
the rest of the show in season six that are

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02:17:39,319 --> 02:17:41,239
obviously telling you that Tony's killed.

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02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:41,920
Speaker 1: I don't think.

2316
02:17:42,079 --> 02:17:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's ludicrous to say that he's not. What's

2317
02:17:45,399 --> 02:17:48,680
the point of the whole sequence of Meadow not being

2318
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:52,440
able to park on time? If Tony's not killed, that's

2319
02:17:52,479 --> 02:17:55,040
the whole point of that sequence. There's no other reason

2320
02:17:55,079 --> 02:17:59,840
for that. Obviously right, because it's she's narrowly missing getting killed,

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02:18:00,040 --> 02:18:02,680
would have been sitting right next to Tony and that

2322
02:18:02,879 --> 02:18:05,319
you know, presumably the bullet would have hit her or

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02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:08,120
he would have shot again all four members of the family.

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02:18:08,680 --> 02:18:19,440
So yes, that's my analysis. There you go. So it's

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a tragedy. It's a tragedy comedy deals with all the

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02:18:23,079 --> 02:18:25,799
big questions in life, all the great big literature questions.

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02:18:26,799 --> 02:18:34,600
Ultimately it's still a pagan, psychoanalytical union eternal return psychodrama.

2328
02:18:35,920 --> 02:18:38,040
But still if you look at it from a literary

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02:18:38,079 --> 02:18:41,920
perspective and from a cultural perspective, and from just as

2330
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:43,920
an artistic piece, it's a masterpiece.

2331
02:18:44,959 --> 02:18:52,159
Speaker 4: And it was so realistic that real mobsters would watch

2332
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:54,520
it and they thought that somebody from the inside was

2333
02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:59,159
feeding the show information because it was really.

2334
02:19:01,079 --> 02:19:02,920
Speaker 2: Well. As I said, some of the articles I read

2335
02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:05,879
on it did speculate that it was based on the

2336
02:19:06,079 --> 02:19:10,239
the Cavalcante family. So I'm sure, again, I don't I

2337
02:19:10,239 --> 02:19:14,120
haven't looked into what they were specifically, you know, all

2338
02:19:14,159 --> 02:19:16,719
the writers were going to but I wouldn't be surprised.

2339
02:19:16,760 --> 02:19:18,639
I mean, I'm sure. I mean, it's just like when

2340
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:22,520
Mario Puzzo did the Godfather novel. He went and just

2341
02:19:22,600 --> 02:19:26,000
collected real stories and just kind of kind of, you know,

2342
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:30,559
composited it. So I don't doubt that at all. I

2343
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,680
mean we saw that with Godfather three. I mean that

2344
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:34,520
the you know, the Godfather three gets into the p

2345
02:19:34,680 --> 02:19:39,680
two lodge, the Mafia working with the CIA working, you know,

2346
02:19:39,760 --> 02:19:43,479
the relationship with the Vatican, John Paul the first being assassinated.

2347
02:19:43,520 --> 02:19:47,680
Oh that's real, that's all true, you know, historic fact.

2348
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:51,760
Godfather three, the movie even gets into the Vatican banking

2349
02:19:51,799 --> 02:19:55,319
scandal with Roberto calve There's a character in Godfather three

2350
02:19:55,319 --> 02:19:58,920
that's Roberto Calvie. So I wouldn't be surprised if if

2351
02:19:58,959 --> 02:20:07,360
the uh, the Sopranos wasn't as mafia consulted as the Godfather.

2352
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:12,239
But I don't know that for sure. All right, So

2353
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:15,920
I hope you guys enjoyed this full on breakdown. I

2354
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:18,600
think it. I think we broke it down good. I

2355
02:20:18,639 --> 02:20:20,959
do apologize because I feel like I'm missing a couple

2356
02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:24,120
of details with the finale. I think I've hit all

2357
02:20:24,159 --> 02:20:28,000
the highlights though. Oh the cat when Tony walks into

2358
02:20:28,239 --> 02:20:35,120
the restaurant, that yellow tabby cat, that Polly says, as

2359
02:20:35,159 --> 02:20:38,159
an omen, you see a giant yellow cat up on

2360
02:20:38,360 --> 02:20:42,200
the mural right beneath where Tony's gonna die. I don't

2361
02:20:42,239 --> 02:20:46,280
think that's accidental, because that's it. That's the omen. Yeah.

2362
02:20:46,360 --> 02:20:48,360
Then there's a lot of other details like that. And

2363
02:20:48,680 --> 02:20:51,600
I've only seen the show once through, so I would

2364
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:56,000
guarantee you that knowing that if you went back, I

2365
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:58,120
mean there's no you would find I'm sure all kinds

2366
02:20:58,120 --> 02:21:00,000
of you know stuff. I mean that you could die

2367
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:02,200
sect this like you could dis sect Twin Peaks. I

2368
02:21:02,200 --> 02:21:04,559
mean it would be like a you know, a never

2369
02:21:04,719 --> 02:21:06,719
ending that section type of thing. And that's why this

2370
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:09,559
does you know this is up there with you know,

2371
02:21:09,559 --> 02:21:13,959
two thousand and one with Kubrick eyesway shut, it's up

2372
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:19,040
there with twin Peaks, David Lynch stuff, for that level

2373
02:21:19,079 --> 02:21:23,159
of depth that you really can decode it forever, and

2374
02:21:23,239 --> 02:21:26,200
that's when you know it's something good. Jack five dollars,

2375
02:21:26,239 --> 02:21:33,440
congratulations on being married. Who's married? Who got married? Oh

2376
02:21:33,479 --> 02:21:37,360
you mean us? Thank you, Gerald Norris, one hundred dollars.

2377
02:21:37,440 --> 02:21:41,120
Look at that, he said, keep going. Well, you throw

2378
02:21:41,159 --> 02:21:43,479
me one hundred dollars, dude, I'll keep going. I will

2379
02:21:43,479 --> 02:21:47,479
never stop. But hey, it's nice to know that, you know,

2380
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:49,559
you could put in this much time and effort to

2381
02:21:50,280 --> 02:21:53,600
Sopranos because what this took us, well a few couple

2382
02:21:53,559 --> 02:21:55,520
of months. Yeah, I mean there was a couple of

2383
02:21:55,559 --> 02:22:00,680
months of watching and researching and paying attention. So so

2384
02:22:00,879 --> 02:22:05,879
really appreciate that, Drol Norris, that's a really generous super

2385
02:22:05,959 --> 02:22:08,959
chat and I really thank you for that. Evan Schultz.

2386
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:11,760
Ten dollars, he's lost it where to go?

2387
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Speaker 7: If you touch this it just flies past all of

2388
02:22:18,719 --> 02:22:24,000
the super chats. Thank you as always, The Sopranos was

2389
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:27,159
a great TV show and your analysis is insightful. Always

2390
02:22:27,239 --> 02:22:29,719
nice to have Jamie on. Congratulations in many years to

2391
02:22:29,719 --> 02:22:31,120
you both. Well, thank you Evan Schultz.

2392
02:22:31,120 --> 02:22:35,559
Speaker 2: He's a longtime supporter, longtime super chatter, He's been there

2393
02:22:35,680 --> 02:22:39,040
for what a few years now, So much appreciated, Evan.

2394
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:42,200
We know you're an og when it comes to supporting

2395
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:44,399
Jay's nel, so so thank you for those kind words.

2396
02:22:44,920 --> 02:22:47,280
And I'm glad you liked this stream Anthony for ten dollars.

2397
02:22:47,319 --> 02:22:50,680
It's funny. My friend watched this series recently and it

2398
02:22:50,719 --> 02:22:55,040
coincided with him going through phases a belief in Reincarnation

2399
02:22:55,319 --> 02:23:01,680
told you his other beliefs like Buddhism, nihilism, seeing himself

2400
02:23:01,719 --> 02:23:03,799
as a general. Oh that was the other thing. Remember

2401
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:10,559
the painting Polly has that stupid painting with the horse saved.

2402
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:12,639
He saves it out of the dumpster, and then he

2403
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:17,879
has Tony painted as a civil as American revolutionary general.

2404
02:23:18,920 --> 02:23:23,079
Once again, Reincarnation Tony is a general. Would you say

2405
02:23:23,079 --> 02:23:26,200
that he was programmed? That is I think a potential reading.

2406
02:23:26,200 --> 02:23:29,280
That's what I'm trying to say with I mean, we

2407
02:23:29,399 --> 02:23:37,079
don't ever get the clear reference that Tony was at

2408
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:43,280
some point programmed unless this was all done intentionally. And

2409
02:23:43,440 --> 02:23:47,399
maybe you could say, well, Tony's mom is a psychopath,

2410
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:51,399
his dad was a psychopath. So if they had a

2411
02:23:51,440 --> 02:23:54,079
connection to the FEDS or to the CIA or something

2412
02:23:54,120 --> 02:23:57,959
like that, maybe, and maybe that's why the FBI agent

2413
02:23:58,000 --> 02:24:03,639
at the end says your family, your people, Right, you

2414
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:07,559
guys worked with the CIA to hide Lucky Luciano. Right.

2415
02:24:07,920 --> 02:24:12,559
Maybe that's the significance to that reference and to the

2416
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:15,280
MK ultra monarch symbolism that is in the show and

2417
02:24:15,319 --> 02:24:18,799
the Wizard of Odds stuff and the drugging. So is

2418
02:24:19,040 --> 02:24:22,520
the psychiatrist a handler I don't think so, but it

2419
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:27,159
is interesting to, you know, speculate on is Tony a

2420
02:24:27,159 --> 02:24:32,879
a programmed kind of Assassin's It's something you could speculate,

2421
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:36,319
but I'd have to go back and rewatch the show

2422
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:39,680
from that angle to see if you could really substantiate that.

2423
02:24:39,719 --> 02:24:43,840
But it's an interesting theory. So that's what I think

2424
02:24:43,840 --> 02:24:49,719
about him being programmed. Maybe Dharma poozle seven dollars small beer.

2425
02:24:49,799 --> 02:24:53,200
I know, dude, but Ay has broke. Well, you don't

2426
02:24:53,239 --> 02:24:55,120
have to if you're broke, dude, don't worry about some

2427
02:24:55,120 --> 02:24:57,239
of you super jazz but much appreciated. You want to

2428
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,360
read some supergens, We're.

2429
02:24:59,159 --> 02:25:06,399
Speaker 4: Here, Mike, Mike Sherman twenty dollars. Paul went to Norway

2430
02:25:06,600 --> 02:25:11,040
for a two season Mafia sitcom. Hilarious.

2431
02:25:11,719 --> 02:25:13,040
Speaker 2: Maybe he means Paulie.

2432
02:25:12,920 --> 02:25:15,479
Speaker 4: Paul's went to Norway for a two season.

2433
02:25:15,239 --> 02:25:18,520
Speaker 2: Mafia He probably means Paula. That would be funny to watch.

2434
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:25,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, Varsity athlete three dollars. Quasi moto predicted all of this.

2435
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:29,120
The elites are the sacred and we are the profane.

2436
02:25:31,959 --> 02:25:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's really the the basis of all

2437
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:38,360
the symbology from the elite perspective?

2438
02:25:39,239 --> 02:25:42,200
Speaker 4: Is that a quasi motive conversation they had?

2439
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:42,920
Speaker 2: Oh?

2440
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:46,000
Speaker 4: Do they remember? It was like they were making fun.

2441
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:48,680
Speaker 2: Of notre yes. And it was right after the nine

2442
02:25:48,719 --> 02:25:54,719
event and Tony was talking to Bobby and Tony makes.

2443
02:25:54,520 --> 02:26:01,280
Speaker 3: That oh yeah, you know it's that you know, damas yes,

2444
02:26:01,360 --> 02:26:02,479
And Bobby.

2445
02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:05,079
Speaker 2: Thinks quasi moto is no stra damas yeah, and Tony

2446
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:06,639
makes fun of him for being really domb.

2447
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:13,520
Speaker 4: It's funny, s bad hastonian ten dollars, great conversation, great impersonations.

2448
02:26:13,559 --> 02:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Forget about it, Tony, forget about it, Crystal, that's Adriana.

2449
02:26:22,479 --> 02:26:29,120
Uh Carmela, Oh yeah, she can't forget about it? Huh

2450
02:26:29,319 --> 02:26:31,239
ye that what you're gonna do? You're gonna forget about it?

2451
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:32,600
Forget about it?

2452
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:35,159
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? I like that one? What

2453
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:36,360
are you gonna do?

2454
02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:37,559
Speaker 4: Forget about it?

2455
02:26:38,319 --> 02:26:38,920
Speaker 2: On my life?

2456
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:47,280
Speaker 4: Te okay KEI going? Don John, Don John ten dollars,

2457
02:26:47,319 --> 02:26:48,079
excellent show.

2458
02:26:48,360 --> 02:26:51,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, Don John, You're an excellent that's an excellent.

2459
02:26:50,959 --> 02:26:56,479
Speaker 4: Name, Don John Daniel ya Ania fifty dollars. Oh, thank you,

2460
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,239
great stream. We have to check the show out.

2461
02:27:00,120 --> 02:27:03,639
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm sorry for spoiling it. Although that's how

2462
02:27:03,639 --> 02:27:05,799
it goes. If you watch this holes maybe you cut

2463
02:27:05,840 --> 02:27:07,559
it off and didn't watch the ending, so you don't

2464
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:10,479
know what happens. But I think you will agree with

2465
02:27:10,520 --> 02:27:13,760
mine nelysis if you see the end of the show. Okay, Sean,

2466
02:27:14,399 --> 02:27:16,399
But by the way, Daniel, thank you for that fifty

2467
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,920
dollars much appreciated. Shout out Daniel and Nia.

2468
02:27:19,319 --> 02:27:22,799
Speaker 4: Sean and Finnegan five dollars. Can you explain revelation of

2469
02:27:22,840 --> 02:27:25,159
the method and generally why Hollywood does it.

2470
02:27:26,799 --> 02:27:30,280
Speaker 2: Well? On an esoteric level, it's done I think to

2471
02:27:30,879 --> 02:27:33,360
just prepare people for what's coming, or to kind of

2472
02:27:33,399 --> 02:27:38,000
cast a spell that you see something before it happens

2473
02:27:38,040 --> 02:27:40,159
in fiction, and so it kind of casts a spell

2474
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:44,000
over you. It might make you. You might be conditioned

2475
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:46,360
to it, right, So from a kind of a psychological

2476
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:49,799
warfare perspective, it's like gaslighting, so you're conditioned to it.

2477
02:27:50,280 --> 02:27:53,879
So basically, I think that's the reason for why this

2478
02:27:53,959 --> 02:27:56,879
kind of stuff would pop up. It's not always intentional.

2479
02:27:56,920 --> 02:28:00,920
Sometimes the arts just have that quality to them where

2480
02:28:00,959 --> 02:28:04,120
they can in a way predict the future. So there

2481
02:28:04,120 --> 02:28:07,200
could be a higher level kind of divine providence that

2482
02:28:07,879 --> 02:28:11,120
is the basis for the arts predicting the future. Sometimes

2483
02:28:11,120 --> 02:28:15,920
it's human agency that's intentionally conditioning people to accept messages.

2484
02:28:16,440 --> 02:28:20,799
Governments have done that forever, you know, embedding messages into fiction.

2485
02:28:21,360 --> 02:28:23,719
I cover that in my books. So you know, you

2486
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:29,159
can have different motivations and actors, so to speak, within history.

2487
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:32,159
So it's not always one thing, right, there can be different.

2488
02:28:32,200 --> 02:28:36,159
So but from the psyops perspective, revelation of the method

2489
02:28:36,239 --> 02:28:41,280
of functions to condition, and then from the esoteric perspective,

2490
02:28:41,399 --> 02:28:43,639
you could argue that it's a kind of a maybe

2491
02:28:43,639 --> 02:28:47,959
a casting of a spell where you're, you know, gaslighting

2492
02:28:47,959 --> 02:28:52,920
your audience before you do what you're going to do.

2493
02:28:53,680 --> 02:28:56,280
All right, Well, there you go, two and a half hours.

2494
02:28:56,280 --> 02:29:01,479
I think we covered any other closing remarks on.

2495
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:02,479
Speaker 4: Us Super Sopranos stream.

2496
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Speaker 2: All right, everybody, thank you. If you enjoy this, please

2497
02:29:04,920 --> 02:29:08,680
like it and share it, subscribe, and if you do

2498
02:29:08,799 --> 02:29:12,280
have a chance, definitely watch The Sopranos and tell me

2499
02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:14,360
if you think I'm right or if I got something wrong.

2500
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Leave me comments below below the show if you're watching

2501
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:19,760
this after the live show, and let me know if

2502
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:22,520
you think I got something wrong. Everybody, have a good

2503
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:24,600
night and we'll talk to you soon. Next up, by

2504
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:26,680
the way, is we will do our top ten X

2505
02:29:26,719 --> 02:29:29,440
Files episodes. We've been we've been for a long time

2506
02:29:29,479 --> 02:29:32,399
wanting to do a really good X Files breakdown. So

2507
02:29:32,440 --> 02:29:35,639
we're gonna pick like the top ten. It's gonna be difficult.

2508
02:29:35,799 --> 02:29:38,040
It might not be ten, might be twelve, fifteen, but

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02:29:38,079 --> 02:29:40,280
we're gonna pick the best ones we think. I've seen

2510
02:29:40,559 --> 02:29:43,719
X Files many times through. It's a great show, the

2511
02:29:43,799 --> 02:29:48,319
classic for you know, conspiracy TV shows, And that will

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be next up for