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Speaker 1: Love. This is pet Life Radio. Let's Talk pets.

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Speaker 2: Welcome cat levers, Welcome to Cat and Cheata. I'm your

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show host Michelle Burne. Today we have a super special

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special show. We have a guest from PETA, people for

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the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and he is going to

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tell us how crushing cans can literally save wildlife. And

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we have some simple tips for being a good neighbor

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to the animals. So stay tuned, we'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk pets on Petlife Radio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I am so excited to introduce Jacob

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Shaw from PETA and we're gonna talk about some simple

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steps that all of us can take to live in

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closer harmony with nature, things we could do to save

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the animals.

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Speaker 5: Welcome Jacob, thank you, Michelle, thanks so much for.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to have you on. Before we get started,

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there might be some people, maybe like five out there

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are listening that are not familiar with Peter, Can you

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just explain what PETA is.

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Speaker 5: Of course, so PEDA stands for People for the Ethical

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Treatment of Animals and we are the largest animal rights

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organization in the world with more than ten million members

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and supporters globally, and PETA focuses on the areas where

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the largest number of animals suffer most intensely for the

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longest periods of time. So that's animals who are used

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and killed in the food industry and the clothing industry,

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who are exploited and killed in laboratory experiments, and any

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entertainment industry. But you know, we also focus on how

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we can live in fharmony with wildlife, ways we can

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be more kind to the animals who live amongst us,

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and we also obviously work on cruelty cases involving dogs,

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cats and other companion animals.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm excited to have you on. I've been a

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fan of PEDA for years. Do you know how many

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long Peda's been in existence.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Pita is actually approaching our forty five year anniversary

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this year. We were started in nineteen eighty, so that's

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forty five years of really just fantastic life saving work

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that has made such a big difference in the lives

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of thousands and thousands and thousands of animals.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have, and I've known Apita for a very

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long time, so thanks for all you do. Let's get

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talking about what we can do to be a good

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neighbor to our animals. So let's talk about something that

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probably people just aren't aware of. How can people dispose

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properly dispose of trash to ensure animals safety.

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Speaker 5: Right, So, our trash can really easily and quickly, unknown

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to us, can become a deadly trap for hungry animal.

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Right So, whether we're talking about a raccoon or awesome,

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a lot of these animals who live in our yards,

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in our neighborhoods, they'll try to lick the last revealing

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food scrap so to be inside of can or a bottle,

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and in the process their heads can become stuck inside,

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which obviously leaves them and as fordable sit situation where

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they will often start to death or die of dehydration.

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But fortunately it could not be easier for us to

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save these animals lives by just taking a few moments

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before we throw away our cans and bottles to just

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make sure we crush cans, put lids back on top

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of jars and bottles before we dispose of them.

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Speaker 2: It's such a little fix. And you're right, these animals

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are in areas. I mean, I live in suburbs but

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in Fort Lauderdale, and you wouldn't think there'd be so

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many raccoons around, but there are and possums too, you know,

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besides all the other creatures. So thanks for sharing that

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just quick fix to save who knows how many animals.

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Let's talk about not so friendly creatures in your home.

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So Peter is ethical to all animals, so that includes

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you know, mice and bugs and other little creatures, and

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the best way to you know, not to do anything

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violent them, but what is the best way to deter

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them from even getting into your home so you don't

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have to go to the next step, which is you know,

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alternatives for removing them.

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Speaker 5: So small animals, whether we're talking about you know, mice, rats, insects,

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any of these little guys. You know, they only enter

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our owns when food and shelter is available to them.

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So it's really all of our responsibility make sure that

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our homes are inviting uninviting to them as possible. And

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you know, saying making our homes uninviting to them, it

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may sound abstract, but it's really just a matter of

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two simple things, right. It's making sure that one our

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food and trash is kept in true proof containers, you

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know it's not accessible, and then sealing off any entry

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points where the animals can get inside of our homes.

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to follow. So you know, if you see cracks and

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foals in your exterior walls along the floorboards, obviously the

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proactive thing to do is to seal those up before

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it becomes an issue. And then lastly, you know we

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can deter animals with these safe, natural, non toxic substances.

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Is that work really well as deterance. So we're talking

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about vinegar and synonym for ants, and something like pepperbin

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oil or eucalyptus oil works really well for mice and

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rats too, because it irritates the inside of the nasal

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cavities and sends the message, Hey, you don't want to

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come in here, this is not a welcoming space.

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Speaker 2: I've heard also peppermint oil being a deterrent for roaches

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and ammonia soap cotton balls is also another good

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deterrent that has a similar effect. It's a snow that

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you know animals don't like and will almost always tell them.

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Anybody keep moving.

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Speaker 2: And then another idea is that when you mentioned you know,

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watching you know, cracks and holes and stuff, I have

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heard that mice can get into a crack that's as

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big as small as like the quarter, not the flat quarter,

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just a couple of millimeters. So you really have to

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be diligent about watching those openings in your home.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, something that I've heard people suggest doing, which

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I think is a great tip, is no one it

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gets dark out if you walk along the exterior wall

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of trying to flashlight through if light is getting in.

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But obviously mean there's some sort of crack where presumably

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an animal could get in as well. So that's a

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good way to just identify where these openings may be

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Speaker 2: Ow, Okay, thanks for that. What about for you know

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people that want to just say, well, what if I

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use a sticky trap? Is it that bad for mice

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Speaker 5: Well, so killing these animals is not going to do

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anything to stop others from moving in, right, We know

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that the only effective long term solutions of all involve

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prevention and assurance. But speaking of glue traps, I mean,

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blue traps are the worst possible option by any measure.

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I mean they are responsible for more animal suffering than

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any other wildlife control product that's available today. And that's

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because after animals walk across the surface of the trap,

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whether we're talking about you know, mice and rats, or

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birds who often find themselves stuck in glue traps, or

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even kittens and puppies, I mean, these animals are stuck

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to the glue and they are left to suffer a

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slow screw sheeting where they'll die of dehydration, starvation, or

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blood loss, and oftentimes their mouths and nobstrils become wood

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shut and they suffocate, or other times the animal's actually

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thrown out in the garbage while they're still stuck to

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the trap, still alive, and they're crushed to death. So

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this is just the most terrifying and painful way for

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an animal to die. But that's why we're seeing countries

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around the world banning blue traps, and we're seeing great

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progress here in the US as well. West Hollywood and

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Ohi to cities in California have introduced their own blue

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trap bands in the last couple of years, and cities

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and states around the country are looking into doing the

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same thing. So really great progress there, and that's why

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Peter urges everyone to never ever buy or use blue traps.

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Tell your friends and neighbors never use them, and we

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encourage everyone to tell their city council members to dan

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blue traps in their cities as well.

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Speaker 2: Great idea, and there are humane traps. What should people

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be aware of when they call a pet control company?

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Speaker 5: So first and foremost, you know, always keep front of

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mind that lethal solutions just don't work. Right, as we've

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been talking about, if one animal can get inside of

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our homes, others will follow as long as food, water,

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and shelter are available to them. So we want to

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make sure that we're talking to the company about prioritizing

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prevention and exclusion. And when you look up, you know

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and I was about to say the phone book, but

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most people probably use a computer for this these days.

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You know, try to find a humane wildlife removal company,

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you know, humane is the key word there, that will

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safely relocate these animals. We should steer clear of any

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company that is using traps, poisons another week for weapons. Obviously,

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those don't qualify as humane because fundamentally they're not effective,

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they don't work in a long term, and they inflict

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terrible suffering on animals who really are doing nothing wrong.

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All they're doing is taking us up on the unknowing

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offer we've often put out to them by you know,

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putting food and garbage out in places they can reach

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that you know, traps them to come in the first place.

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So they're not meaning to do us any harm. So

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we should really find just a way to make our

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homes inaccessible to them and let them move along rather

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than inflicting suffering on them.

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Speaker 2: I absolutely agree. And there's also the consideration that of

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past control companies are using poison on say your lawn

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or around your house, then that gets into the grass

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and the water gets on you know, your dog's feed,

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or cats if you have cat communities. Around your home.

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So just all around, not a good idea.

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Speaker 5: Oh, definitely not. Yeah, we see this this issue called

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secondary poisoning where oftentimes you know, a mouse or a

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rat will ingest the poison, and you know, larger animals

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will eat them, and it moves up and up and up,

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and even mountain lions dying of poison related debts. We've actually, similarly,

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we've seen great progress there where California has banned the

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use of first and second generation and anti coagulant or denticides.

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the most popular kinds of poison. They are really horrific

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because they basically prevent animals as blood from clotting, so

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they slowly bleed out internally. You know, really really awful.

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But I think it's just a great opportunity for us

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to remember that, you know, whether we're talking about a

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mountain lion, an owl and eagle, a dog, cat, a mouse,

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or a rat, every animal is someone who is capable

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of feeling fear and pain and love and joy, just

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like we do. You know, they have relationships that are

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meaningful and important to them. They have families, they have

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lives that they value much in the same way we

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value our own lives. So there are so many opportunities

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for us to be more considerate of them and to

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be kinder to them. So you know, this is just

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one of many.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk You've hit on this a little bit prior,

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but let's talk a little bit more. What attracts wildlife

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to our home and how can we make our homes

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less inviting.

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Speaker 5: Animals are always looking for two things when it comes

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to its conversation, right, it's food and shelter. So with shelter,

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they'll often find that in overgrown shrubbery or plants that's

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you know, right along the exterior of our homes. So

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one easy thing to do that a lot of people

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don't think of is just trimming that back of it

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in our homes or apartments. And then you know, the

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I have a dog who I am obsessed with. It's

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leaving for food out in the bowl, because all that

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will do is attract animals. But we're talking about mice

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or insects, and even something like a bird feeder can

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be an unknowing attracted right if you're throwing out little

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scraps for birds, Oftentimes those scraps end up being attractive

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to mice and other animals as well.

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Speaker 2: So true. And also in warm climates you tend to

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have feral colonies of cats. Some people use the term

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feeder breeders. Toy'll leave food out for the cats and

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not take it in, and then they are wondering why

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they see little prints of you know, raccoons and passlam

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and all of that, and that also brings other creatures

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that you probably don't want.

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Speaker 5: Around exactly exactly. Yeah, that's I mean, that's why this

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is sort of an adjacent or tangential point. But there

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are just millions and millions of homeless, unwonted dogs and

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cats in the US. So if you are ready to

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take one of these amazing animals into your home, make

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them a member of your family. We always encourage people

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to actually adopt these animals rather than you know, if

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there are cats who live outside in your neighborhood, rather

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than just feeding them and leaving them out on the

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streets where there are so many dangers, whether that's being

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hit by a car, getting sick some sort of infection,

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or being hurt by a fruel person who intends to

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do them harm. You know, if you have this cat

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who's coming to your porch, to your front door, wherever

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it is, you know, if you're confident they're not someone

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else's cat, you know, take them in, take them to

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the vet, get them, you know, checked up, make sure

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they're being taken care of, and have them become a

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real member of your family rather than just you know,

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a neighbor who drops by every so often.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and make sure they're fixed. You can usually tell

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by an ear notch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and yes, thank you for saying that, right.

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just hard to trap. But there are great cat trappers

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out there. I actually hired one, so I know from experience.

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I had a whole situation and I had to keep

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my yard free from anything that was toxic to save

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the kittens. And we're going to talk about that in

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the second half of the show. But I also want

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people to know where Jacob that can people go to

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find more information about PETA and more information on how

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to live in harmony with wildlife.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so anyone who wants more information on you know,

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whether this is a wild life protection tip or just

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any of the myriad ways that in our daily lives

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it can be kindered to animals through how we eat.

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You know, what clothes we buy, what household and cosmetic

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products we buy, you know what forms of entertainment we

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engage with. You know, there are so so many ways

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for us to be kinder to animals, and the best

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place to start is to visit Peter dot org.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on Catitude and sharing

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this fantastic informative information.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, it's been such a pleasure to talk to you.

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Have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. I hope you enjoyed the first part

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of the show with Jacob from Peta. So I'm going

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to tell you my own story where I had to,

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you know, think out of the box in order to

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save creatures from anything toxic. It's kind of a funny story.

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If you are a longtime listener of Catitude, you might

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have heard it already, but for those of you that haven't,

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it is so in context with what we talked about

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in the first half I just have to share it

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with you. So when I first moved into my current home,

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there were two cats, Sammy and Jethro, and Sammy got pregnant.

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She was a skinny cat. I thought she was just

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eating well, you know, it turned out she was pregnant

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and end of September, about nine years ago, she had

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three babies. Mollie's one of her babies. The other two

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were adopted out. So it was interesting because the day

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that they were born, there was a storm. I think

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there was a hurricane warning, which is typical where I live,

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you know, South Florida. And first we had to protect

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the babies because Sammy had them hidden in a spot

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where there was a downpour and that would have drowned.

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Then we had to sea where she hid them. It

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turned out she hid them in the engine of my

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partner's truck, so not a good idea. You know. It

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was bizarre because she was so skinny sammy that she

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could arch herself around. Of Course, the car hadn't been

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used in a while, so it wasn't hot or anything,

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and she had her three babies near their nursing and

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we just thought, oh my gosh. And then she moved

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a little, the babies would PLoP out, so of course

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we put a cushion underneath the car just in case

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she went in there again. And then we went to

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around and we just rearranged the whole. We had an

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area of the side of the house that was like

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a little dog run. We added a tarb some shrubs.

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I kind of don't know what my partner was thinking.

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because guess what happens when kittens are about two weeks old.

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They walk, they start going all over the place, and

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cars don't see kittens very well. So we didn't want

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to have one of those situations. So it was a

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kind of a gated area that had a harp. It'd

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add trees. We bought kitten milk, we bought special things

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for them to play with, everything we could do to

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keep the cats safe and from getting out. He might

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be thinking, so what if they got out, Well, not

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only would they possibly go into the street, and we

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would horrifically, you know, have one of them killed by

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being run over, because that's definitely possible. You know, people

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don't pay attention all the time. I whanted something tiny

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on the road you can't see it, so it's not

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always the driver either, So we didn't want that to happen.

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from next door, He has a BB gun and he

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calls us and says, hey, raccoons are out, watch your kittens.

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And I thought, oh my gosh, what in the world

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do I do now? So he has a BB gun

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and he offered a pellot one of the rod the raccoons,

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and I thought, no, I don't want to do that.

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I don't want to hurt you know, nature, it's their habitat.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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are raccoons and they are bold, and there are possums too,

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So I researched what could I do because whatever I

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did put in the grass, One, it affects wildlife. Two,

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it affects the animals that are around. Three it's gonna

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affect the kittens possibly, and of course not that the

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humans should be fourth. But what you have on the water,

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the chemicals could sometimes affect, you know, the water that

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you use. So I didn't want anything toxic. So I

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did a lot of research online what could I use,

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and so there was you know, there's a lot of

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things you have to be careful about. So I found

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this mixture and I'm going from memory here, but what

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I don't know one or two other things that were

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kind of smelly. It was really smelly.

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I took a couple of old towels and cut them

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into strips and put them all around the perimeter of

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my property. And this was to deter the raccoons from

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coming in to get the kittens, because you know, raccoons

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and little baby kittens, wildlife pray. I don't want to

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go any further. So that's what I did. So picture this.

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I had a bunch of rags all around my house.

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it's all around my house. There's a lake behind, so

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it went to, you know, a few feet before the lake,

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but it was all around and I just hope this

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would keep the raccoons away. Well, and here's where the

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funning part comes in. I ran some errands, came back,

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and my partner says, look at this letter. I said

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what he says, look at this letter. Now, we had

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only lived in our home about I don't know six

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months at this time, and didn't know the neighbors too well.

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And my neighbor next door wrote a very nice, neat

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letter that went into great detail about how somebody puts

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something smelly all over the property and who could have

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done this? And this stinks and why are these wags there?

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And this is just horrible and you know, who in

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the right mind would do this? And I read it

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and I thought, oh my gosh, I haven't even met

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this neighbor and I've already upset her. What in the world.

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So right away I went over to her home because

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I want to take care of the problem. And I'm

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a person of action. I don't like to wait, I'm

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gonna do it now. Person. So I go over to

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her home and I said, I got your note and

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she said, yes, who could have done this? I don't know.

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This is crazy, this has never happened before. This is crazy,

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blah blah blah. And I said wait, wait, it was me.

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And she goes, now, why would you do something to

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put something so smelly by our property? I said, well,

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this is why, and I explained the story with the

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raccoons and you know, could possibly attack the little kittens

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and that sort of a thing, and she goes, oh,

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I understand, and I told her it would only be

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for a few more days. We had already decided to

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adopt Molly and I was going to adopt out the

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other two cats, so it was just a matter of

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a couple days. I explained that I really didn't want

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the little kittens to be eaten by the raccoons or

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attacked by the raccoons or possums or anything else, and

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she thankfully understood. She does not have any fur babies,

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but she's very compassionate. So I think I had the

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smelly rags around my house for about a week. It

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rained in between, so I had to make the mixture

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again with more smelly rags, but the problem was resolved.

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Nothing toxic for the cats or for wildlife, and it

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kept the raccoons away. So this is my story to

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how you can live with wildlife and do it in

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a natural, unharming way. And by the way, the mixture

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with toxic would not harm the raccoons if they went

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by it, but the raccoons would not go by it

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because of the smells of the mixture, you know, the

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hot sauce and the vinegar, and because of that, the

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raccoons didn't want any part of it. So it was

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just a win win all around. So thanks everyone for

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listening to this episode of CATA two. Thank you Jacob

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from Peter for coming on and telling us ways to

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live better with nature, to be more cognizant of what

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we do so we keep all the animals in mind.

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Thanks to everyone listening to Catitude. I appreciate your listenership.

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Thanks to my cat crew, Dennis, Charlotte and Molly. Thanks

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so much to my producer Mark Winter for working his

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magic and making every episode sound amazing. And hey, lose

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the attitude have Catitude.

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