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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Marvel Allons Podcast, recover anything and everything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the Marvel Universe and the comics, TV

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<v Speaker 1>and movies. We'll go from first six one six of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mojo Verse to Queens in order to bring the

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<v Speaker 1>marvel Us right to you. I'm the Man without.

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<v Speaker 2>Beer, Chris, I'm the Nerve with Mount David.

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<v Speaker 1>Alliance a symbol volume Volume three hundred and seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is here the first movie of the MCU for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, Spider Man, Brand New Day. It has

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<v Speaker 1>been a long time coming for the next Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>movie since No Way Home, and we are excited to

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<v Speaker 1>break it down. It's a big spoiler cast at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>and David is channeling his inner beings a Spider that

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<v Speaker 1>can't I mean it does whatever I Spider can't. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I don't have the skills of Tom Holland. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're concerned. I'm over forty. I'm more of the

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<v Speaker 2>skills of Toby in the back problems as well.

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<v Speaker 1>David, You're gonna have to carry for just a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to tell people all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that a little bit of thing I cant attend to

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<v Speaker 1>be right.

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<v Speaker 1>All right back accidentally knocked over my Celsius so had

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<v Speaker 1>to so detailing the chat. How you doing detail? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're gonna be like less than a minute

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<v Speaker 1>or two of just non spoilers and then we'll jump

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<v Speaker 1>right into it. So but uh yeah X men ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven great this week. We'll be back next week with that, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh yeah s except what wonder Man. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>news was uh was unexpected despite it, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows what's gonna happen for the future of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so quickly high level thoughts of Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>brand new day. What did you think We'll make it

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<v Speaker 1>quick because we got a lot of spoilers to break

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<v Speaker 1>down tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, out of the four Spider Man movies,

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<v Speaker 2>this this might be and again this is coming immediately

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<v Speaker 2>after my second viewing, this might be my favorite of

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<v Speaker 2>the four. I loved No Way Home, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a love because of all the fans service and callbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>But this just start to finish, was a great movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I went in with some high expectations for this,

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<v Speaker 1>but also leveled expectation just because of you know, where

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<v Speaker 1>we're at in the universe with Marvel, with Spider Man,

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<v Speaker 1>with the characters. How is this going to play, especially

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<v Speaker 1>with all the different uh oh, you know, supporting cast

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<v Speaker 1>of mc U and it was I was impressed. I

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<v Speaker 1>was very, very impressed in the fact that you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>that it may be your new your new number one.

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<v Speaker 1>That says a lot and I've heard a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people and I'm kind of toying with that idea. I

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<v Speaker 1>still have some still some issues with this and some

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<v Speaker 1>some questions about some choices that are made, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those where I really do think we've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten back to the roots of what makes Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>a great character and Peter Parker of who he is

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<v Speaker 1>and uh that so details asked? And do I need

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<v Speaker 1>to stay for the post credits? Yeah, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>post credit sequence.

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<v Speaker 2>Always stay for the post credits.

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<v Speaker 1>There's there's Now do you need to stay? That's a

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<v Speaker 1>subjective opinion, and I'll just leave it at that. Is

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<v Speaker 1>Could you easily look it up on your phone as

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<v Speaker 1>the first credit roll and get the gist of it

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<v Speaker 1>if you need to go to the bathroom really quick, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>detail you can. There is a post credit scene, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's in the eye of the beholder whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>really worth it or not. I'll save my thoughts for

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<v Speaker 1>the end on that one. But that that's that's at

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<v Speaker 1>all right, so those are our non sport of thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, we've got a lot to break down tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna take our first quick ad break. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you have not seen Spider Man Brand New day

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't want to be spoiled again, our recommendation

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly, go see it. It's it's well worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely see it in theaters. And but yeah, so as

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<v Speaker 1>they come on three two one, we'll be right back,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, And we are back. So we both got

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<v Speaker 1>to see this the Wednesday night Amazon Prime early showing.

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<v Speaker 1>My theater was full. I'm pretty sure your theater was

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<v Speaker 1>about the same. Yep, yeah, packed house, packed house at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. So you know, the movie starts off as

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<v Speaker 1>I said, this is spoiler time we're gonna break it

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<v Speaker 1>all down. You know, some things will spend a little

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<v Speaker 1>more time on than others. But but yeah, we're here

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<v Speaker 1>for it. So Peter's life after the events and No

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<v Speaker 1>Way Home. We get some very interesting villain montage and

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<v Speaker 1>some disappointing especially with some of the casting of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we get him fighting Boomerang Scorpion, who eventually

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<v Speaker 1>does come back in the film. I think we get

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<v Speaker 1>Hammerhead Tarantula, a very interesting portrayal hammer and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if it was hammerheard or not, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely someone with a kind of a metal head slamming

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<v Speaker 1>himself into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think I saw the the actor post that

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<v Speaker 2>he was playing a character named Ramrod.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that was even even worse name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I was I was disappointed because I was

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<v Speaker 2>really excited about Tombstone once that casting was announced, and

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<v Speaker 2>we did not get much of that as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>while the montage was cool, I do feel like it

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<v Speaker 2>Eric could have been a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But and then there was like you said, Tombstone, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we we You and I went back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth on theories for that, and right around when we

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<v Speaker 1>got through the second trailer. I was like, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>featured Tombstone at all. I don't think this is what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be anywhere close to an involvement as I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking or hoping.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So slight, slight disappointment, but you know, they they

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<v Speaker 2>used it to set up the fact that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he has been active. There is a four year jump

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<v Speaker 2>here where it starts off with him, you know, watching

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<v Speaker 2>a video of them as they're entering college, and then

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<v Speaker 2>as each year progresses and Ned grows a bad goatee

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<v Speaker 2>and they get to their senior year. This is showing

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<v Speaker 2>Spider Man still active. He's still you know, doing his thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's also cultivating a relationship with the police, a good

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with the police, to the fact that him and

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<v Speaker 2>a Captain de Wolf are cell phone buddies, Like they're

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<v Speaker 2>at the point where they can call each other and

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<v Speaker 2>talk about various things. So it does go to show

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<v Speaker 2>the evolution of Spider Man and that he has been

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<v Speaker 2>keeping his head down and just focusing on his mission

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<v Speaker 2>to be Spider.

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<v Speaker 1>Man and especially you know pulling. You know, Captain Gene

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<v Speaker 1>de Wolf is a character from the comics that Spider

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<v Speaker 1>Man does have a very good relationship with it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was I love the actress who plays her. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the times that she does come in for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>interacting either on the phone or face to face with

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Parker, there's there's good chemistry with that. You could

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<v Speaker 1>you it is. We're not talking about a romantic chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get your heads out together, everyone, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like ones where we can say, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell this has been cultivated in the years

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<v Speaker 1>between No Way Home and this in Brand New Day, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That they do a good job with the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they play back and forth about it, with establishing with

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<v Speaker 2>very few words, just through their actions and their interactions

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<v Speaker 2>that they have some sort of established history working together.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, one of the things I noticed, and

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<v Speaker 1>you see it at the end of the film, but

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<v Speaker 1>you see it like throughout the pop the population of

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<v Speaker 1>New York City is really fully behind Peter Parker, which

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<v Speaker 1>we really haven't seen in this kind of way, like

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<v Speaker 1>most of New York is on Peter's side, even when

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<v Speaker 1>Peter makes a kind of a big screw up that

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<v Speaker 1>could have gone and could have been like people turning

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<v Speaker 1>against him. Like through and through most of the New

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<v Speaker 1>Yorkers are behind Spider.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, which is a big departure from the last film

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<v Speaker 2>where half of New York was yelling eno, mysterial was

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<v Speaker 2>right to him and he was getting pelted with paint

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<v Speaker 2>in the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Who you know, times have change, and no j

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<v Speaker 1>Jon mc janelson cameo in this. So but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we we then get to after kind of establishing Peter

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<v Speaker 1>and where he is. But one of the thing unch

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, and I brought this up jokingly

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<v Speaker 1>when we saw the trailers and sequences from this. In

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<v Speaker 1>the trailers, his apartment, even when he goes from one

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<v Speaker 1>apartment to like the rooftop one like one, how's he

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<v Speaker 1>affording the apartment space itself? Two? How is he affording

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<v Speaker 1>It is completely unacknowledged. I know, it's like, why are

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<v Speaker 2>Now now have impersonal appearances or something as Spider Man

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<v Speaker 2>He's a teacher, Like he has a job. He may

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the only thing, the only thing I could

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<v Speaker 1>uh and I know a lot of the big theme

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<v Speaker 1>like Peter having absolutely no life outside of Spider Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Like really he may maybe walking around as Peter Parker,

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<v Speaker 1>He has no life because he has gotten into his

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<v Speaker 1>head that if he gets close to anyone he's gonna hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's gonna lead to hurt or possibly death. So

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I get that's the film, but like that's

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing is like, man, could we have said

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<v Speaker 1>was bothering me at point, especially with the again smart guy,

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<v Speaker 1>he needs to afford equipment. Anyways, I'll move off of

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<v Speaker 1>that hill. The tank chase sequence. This is the first

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<v Speaker 1>and Brand New Dude, and apparently this was the first

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<v Speaker 1>sequence filmed for the movie, according to Daniel Destin Creton.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was the scene that a lot of aerial

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the stunt practices for but no, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a fun scene. I mean it. This definitely reminded me

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the Spider Man PlayStation games where at

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<v Speaker 2>points where he's getting close to the tank, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>just get close enough in press triangle. But some of

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<v Speaker 2>the maneuvers that he was using to take down the

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<v Speaker 2>the games and how that they would play out. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think that this was very well shot for live

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<v Speaker 2>action and then having his Spidy since come on and

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<v Speaker 2>then we get our first showing of the Punisher pulling

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<v Speaker 2>up to join the fray.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we saw that this. Basically most of the sequence

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<v Speaker 1>maybe some additional dialogue that was having between both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But we get the idea that Spider Man and Frank

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<v Speaker 1>have had run in in the past, including this. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>be revisited time and time again that Spider Man saved

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's life, even though there's no details that are given.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just one of those kind of you know, movie

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<v Speaker 1>cliches where you kind of keep on going back to

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing just to kind of get a haha moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, he he knows what Frank's gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to kill what'sever in there. But as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Man doesn't kill, at least on purpose, and just

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<v Speaker 1>and go home, stay out of this. I got this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not your fight. I'm taking care of this.

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<v Speaker 1>You go do something else. And so you know, eventually

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<v Speaker 1>he's able. Despite causing massive damage throughout the city, this

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<v Speaker 1>able and has gone to crash through. There's some maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's also the a a prison too where they're heading to.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this part of damage control? And so scorpions being

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<v Speaker 1>processed in and you know is basically when Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>it's an older woman and she's kind of smirking, laughing,

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<v Speaker 1>saying some things that are very strange. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>for like a second and then says what am I

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<v Speaker 1>doing here? And then another The guard then takes on

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<v Speaker 1>that personnel and he starts seeing you hear with the

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<v Speaker 1>sound effects like an entity is jumping from person to

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<v Speaker 1>person to person and trying to escape in that sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not the entity it needs to The entity

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<v Speaker 1>is trying to get to do something in what we

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<v Speaker 1>later find out is that entity is trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>to Scorpion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this entity jumps from person to person. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is one little nitpicky thing that I have, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a movie cliche nitpickiness. When it jumped to the

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the safety vest and he's running away, why

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<v Speaker 2>does he stop to look back and smirk before continuing

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<v Speaker 2>running that is like, hey, Spider Man, it's me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>the one who's possessed. I don't know why that annoys me,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just such a nitpicky thing that annoys me.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this interity jumps from person in person till

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<v Speaker 2>it reaches the top level security guard who tells them

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<v Speaker 2>to redirect the helicopter that was supposed to be taking

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<v Speaker 2>Scorpion to his new lock up, the maximum Security and

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<v Speaker 2>then tells him to go to a different helipad instead. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was this was I think this was where I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of got a little clunky in my opinion. This

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, trying to under I mean again, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand what this entity is doing and what the

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<v Speaker 2>idea is he trying to get Scorpion to someplace.

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<v Speaker 1>What we later find out the idea is to take

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<v Speaker 1>over Scorpion and be and use Scorpion to get to

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<v Speaker 1>get somewhere. But you know, they are able to escape

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<v Speaker 1>the guard that was taken over. It's like, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>do this to you, Spider Man. He's like freaking out saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really this that wasn't me, and and Spider Man

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<v Speaker 1>believes me, like I love you Spider, Yeah, I love

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<v Speaker 1>you too. Go go go away, Go go to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know when Captain de Wolf tells him like

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<v Speaker 1>this is like the third or fourth attack on the

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<v Speaker 1>D D O C that you know, there's some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of pattern here where they really can't see it outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the it's they're being they're being they're being targeted.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Peter says, well, I'm gonna go talk to

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<v Speaker 1>someone who might have some insight into this, and he

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<v Speaker 1>goes to this kind of weird CD place We're not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what it is, and it turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of like sauna house. And who is gaking

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<v Speaker 1>a dip? That she that is that is Peter's contact.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, so we we we get uh Elena, which was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge shock to all of us, like that. There

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<v Speaker 2>are other parts that were spoiled, you know, through trailers

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<v Speaker 2>and other things. This one caught me complete surprise out

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<v Speaker 2>there when I was able to avoid it, I was

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<v Speaker 2>luckily able to avoid it. And so when he walked

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<v Speaker 2>into the bathouse and it's Ilena, I popped in my seat,

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<v Speaker 2>uh each time. And she is just again she's full

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<v Speaker 2>of Jolena. So she goes to ask her for her

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<v Speaker 2>help and her thoughts on things, and she looks at

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<v Speaker 2>him and says, you know what, this seems very small potatoes.

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<v Speaker 2>And you guys handle the small potatoes. I'm on the

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<v Speaker 2>New Avengers and we handle the big potato stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is you. You got this?

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, she gives like little hints of things,

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<v Speaker 1>like things that just find out I will say this

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<v Speaker 1>that I understand, like Yolena has a kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>gimmick and a feeling of certain things. But this, this

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<v Speaker 1>did not. This was one of my least favorite sequences

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<v Speaker 1>here outside of the uh, you know, just her banter

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth. The joke stopped being funny when she

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<v Speaker 1>kept on saying the small potatoes. And he's like like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we get you know. And Lena grew a lot in Thunderbolts,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is back to Elena Black widow ish, like even.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Hawkeye Elena.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, but even Hawkeye Elena was more more Quippi

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<v Speaker 1>to a smarter level than this.

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<v Speaker 2>Which they do make a reference to Hawkeye Jolena later

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<v Speaker 2>on in this movie. I caught it all my second viewing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, I know what they were trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do. But this seemed like if we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in someone like Elena or to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>true cameo, because she only makes it, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>in one more of their appearance in this, let's make

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<v Speaker 1>it worth it. Like they could have done something a

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<v Speaker 1>little more different than this. Okay, get her in the

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<v Speaker 1>bath house everyone likes. See. I mean, I'm a pew

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<v Speaker 1>boy too, But this just this seemed very cheap. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is one I was like, really, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Christen, I get been a better out of you

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to kind of a sequence like this,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it didn't like take the whole movie down for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just like, eh, we could have done better,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we were gonna do something like this, I

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<v Speaker 1>expected better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So but he gets a little bit of information, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we have the laughs and the jokes

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<v Speaker 1>between like Peter not wanting to take off his mask

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<v Speaker 1>and as he though you watching not watching live, David

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<v Speaker 1>is still having the Spider Man mask on. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go as long as he can. We'll see how long

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<v Speaker 1>we can make it. But so you know, again trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get Peter to take off the mask and he's

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<v Speaker 1>just skipped this, you know, getting down to everything but

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<v Speaker 1>his mask, leaving it on. So we see how jacked

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Holland is at that point. But he's like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take that information. I'm gonna go to the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Damage Control headquarters, and this is where we

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<v Speaker 1>meet William Metzger. William Metzger is played by Osteos actor

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<v Speaker 1>Tremmell Tillman, who is big from What's What's Severe? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's in severance. He was played a naval captain

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<v Speaker 2>in the Last Mission Impossible movie, so yes, he's a very.

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<v Speaker 1>Good actors Impossible, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so he he he plays this role very well.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like when Peter enters Damage Control, they have

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<v Speaker 2>him go through the scanner and it reads, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his heightened senses, his heightened abilities and strength, his DNA

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<v Speaker 2>that's mixed with the IRAQ DNA, and then they're wanting

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<v Speaker 2>him to take off his mask. He's like, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. I have a secret identity and they threaten

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot him until Traumuell's character comes in and says

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<v Speaker 2>that hey, he's he's cool. We're gonna go have this meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>they go up, they talk, and that's when Spidy's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out what is what's the deal here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, they it seems to be that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like het Metzger puts it puts a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trust into him, and he even mentions as they're

422
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<v Speaker 1>walking through that, you know, one of the things we

423
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.960
<v Speaker 1>saw in the fighting sequence is that Spider Man took

424
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 1>down the hand and now they're he said like, oh,

425
00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:38.319
<v Speaker 1>he was wondering why they didn't walk around free. It's like, oh,

426
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.319
<v Speaker 1>I find ways to you know, yes, they may have

427
00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:43.920
<v Speaker 1>been wayward, but I found ways to convert them, and

428
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to use use them to help our

429
00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.200
<v Speaker 1>help our cause. So why not let him see the light?

430
00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:52.039
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, I mean I get that, but

431
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.400
<v Speaker 1>already I was like saying, I still don't trust this guy,

432
00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:00.799
<v Speaker 1>especially what it can turn to. And yeah, Metzger about

433
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:04.680
<v Speaker 1>this whole idea of what Vmax is, because that's what

434
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:09.119
<v Speaker 1>apparently this entity is searching for, and you know, has

435
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>no idea of what this is. And you know, there's

436
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>this very all very interesting, like safe right outside his

437
00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>office as being guarded. It's it's really weird, and it's

438
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>just like, okay, this is definitely kind of you know

439
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.079
<v Speaker 1>again cliche foreshadowing was like, okay, we're going to come

440
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:27.519
<v Speaker 1>back here.

441
00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was huge foreshadowing. The lingering passing shot of

442
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.079
<v Speaker 2>Spidey walking in front of this giant vault that's outside

443
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:38.240
<v Speaker 2>of Messager's office.

444
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Yep, and so they as easily you know, we we

445
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.960
<v Speaker 1>flash to you know him and then he sees he's

446
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:50.680
<v Speaker 1>at the what is it the convenience store of bodega

447
00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:51.680
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he's.

448
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.079
<v Speaker 2>He's at his local bodega that he goes to every

449
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 2>week in order to pick up fresh flowers for Aunt

450
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.920
<v Speaker 2>May's grave. And while he's there, he's got his flowers,

451
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.079
<v Speaker 2>he's having a little bike.

452
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>To eat for this sorry, paying for this.

453
00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 2>In walks ned to pick up too many kegs for

454
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<v Speaker 2>their party and to attempt badly to flirt with the

455
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:19.640
<v Speaker 2>ladys encounter of the bodega and get two shots of

456
00:25:19.759 --> 00:25:20.720
<v Speaker 2>energy drinks.

457
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly what was it? All sounds like it's like

458
00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>a drug or something for him. Yeah, but yeah, he

459
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>follows him and it's to their I guess the apartment

460
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:38.599
<v Speaker 1>that he and MJ share and you know, he wanders

461
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>through carrying the flowers, being all creepy and looks at

462
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the wall that apparently is Ned trying to figure out

463
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>who Spider Man is. And that's where Ned comes out, Oh,

464
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.359
<v Speaker 1>you're admiring my wall. This is how I think it is.

465
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>And it's like the teacher and Flash Thompson are his

466
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>two most likely suspects for it is. And it's just

467
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 1>like a you're not you're not anywhere close. But he

468
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 1>has a good conversation with m J. And it's a

469
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>good awkward conversation. And you know, it's odd that I

470
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>brought it to Flowers and no but a friendly neighbor

471
00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>because he's saying like he's a neighbor that lives lives

472
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>around them, and you know, we meet, you know, he

473
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 1>sees her with our new boyfriend, who is you know,

474
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Ammon as Fondi, who plays Edge of Bridger

475
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>in both the voice and live action. That's about all

476
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.400
<v Speaker 1>we really see of him, Like, we don't see him

477
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:39.920
<v Speaker 1>much more.

478
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.079
<v Speaker 2>If I thought that he was going to be a

479
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>bigger part of this, and.

480
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 1>He basically became just like seeing scen Hery at that point,

481
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:49.640
<v Speaker 1>say you want to be in a spider movie. Yeah, sure,

482
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>why not? But when he sees that her what basically

483
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.599
<v Speaker 1>tad like looks like she's moving on, she's really forgotten

484
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:02.759
<v Speaker 1>about me, can't hand handle it. He leaves, runs off

485
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.359
<v Speaker 1>back to his place. He starts having starts seeing he's

486
00:27:05.440 --> 00:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>like that going through like basically looks like a panic attack.

487
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 1>He falls down, blacks out, and wakes up in a

488
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>cocoon of webs, and you know this is we haven't

489
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 1>gotten to this in the compook club with the other

490
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 1>but there is a sequence where he does cocoon himself,

491
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:25.519
<v Speaker 1>but as he falls out, he realizes he has an

492
00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 1>organic webbing and he's got no other clothes on but

493
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:32.200
<v Speaker 1>his but his underwear, and so as he falls down,

494
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 1>webs himself up and gets out of there, gives back

495
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 1>up to an awkward laundry room and elevator sequence where

496
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>he's wearing women's clothing. But you know, to each their own,

497
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what you could get.

498
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.319
<v Speaker 2>So I thought the cocoon scene, what was pretty cool

499
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that it did lean a little heavy on this cgr

500
00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:55.480
<v Speaker 2>for me, But I mean, what can you do with

501
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.160
<v Speaker 2>the scene of him falling out of the cocoon and

502
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>hitting off the railing. But yeah, now he's realizing something

503
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>is going on with him. He goes back up and

504
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:13.240
<v Speaker 2>he's trying to check himself with EV his AI system

505
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 2>that he's using, and it's sensing the high IRAQ levels

506
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>also since in his high stress levels and things like that.

507
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>He tries to put his webshooters back on and the

508
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.799
<v Speaker 2>organic webs kick it right back off, to which EV says, Yeah,

509
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.440
<v Speaker 2>you can't do both at the same time.

510
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which makes sense to me. You can't. If you're

511
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to do the organic webshooters are gonna be more powerful.

512
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>But at that point he gets a tip that the

513
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:43.559
<v Speaker 1>A Do doc siety is being attacked by scorpion, so

514
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 1>he tries to swing in the action. He's not doing

515
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 1>too well without he has doesn't really understand how to

516
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>control his organic webbing. Ye, I did like go ahead.

517
00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 2>I did like the line when he's really he's trying

518
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 2>to get the organic webbing to work, and he says, I,

519
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:02.599
<v Speaker 2>I know this can work. Peter two had it and

520
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 2>he was cool, so this should work.

521
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:07.920
<v Speaker 1>You get references to the other Peters at that point,

522
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it works for Peter two. And he's pretty cool. Yeah,

523
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>that's how that works. But when he gets into action,

524
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 1>he starts fighting Scorpion, and he realizes this isn't Scorpion,

525
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.279
<v Speaker 1>this is again the entity that has taken over, and

526
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, the entity makes reference to when they first met,

527
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>like he the entity can't get into his mind and

528
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>he also Scorpions last. The entity calls him out saying,

529
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 1>you still can't sense me, like in the sense of

530
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>like his It's somehow the entity has been able to

531
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 1>disrupt his spider sense, so he's not as much. He

532
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 1>can anticipate things, but not to the extent that he

533
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 1>used to. But he gets so frustrated with it that

534
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:55.160
<v Speaker 1>basically his racknid you know, ability to start really taking over.

535
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.240
<v Speaker 1>He goes to Black Eyes and he just goes as

536
00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>we're saying, Reddy Blake, he goes Cape mode and just

537
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:06.319
<v Speaker 1>goes and let's cuts loose, you know, takes down Scorpion

538
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>really fast, but inadvertently uh us you know, Dingers a

539
00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>police officer that's in the car that he uses as

540
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>a weapon and really injures it, which you know, once

541
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:23.079
<v Speaker 1>he takes down Scorpion, he comes out of it. He's like,

542
00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 1>oh my God, what did I do? And Captain Wolf

543
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:29.759
<v Speaker 1>there said you need to go now because if this

544
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 1>were to happen again, I can't protect you anymore. He says,

545
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I believe you that I know is an accident, but

546
00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 1>if you you got to get out of here. And

547
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.079
<v Speaker 1>this is where I was wondering, like and not. You

548
00:30:41.079 --> 00:30:43.240
<v Speaker 1>know again, he's brought a lot of good will for

549
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 1>all these years, but you know again, New Yorkers are

550
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>a fickleed beast. People are fickle beasts when it comes

551
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>to supers. I'm really surprised that that didn't That was

552
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>all we got of like his consequences from that, Like

553
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 1>we get it with an accident, but like there was

554
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>no more public There was not even an ounce of public.

555
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Backlash, especially since the people standing around during this moment

556
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>record that there were witnesses. So I was shocked that

557
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:09.319
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't more of a big deal, or that the

558
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>cops who were there, yes, they were there to arrest Scorpion,

559
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 2>but that some of them didn't keep their guns trained

560
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>on the spider Man as well.

561
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 1>So but he he he let he venture he escapes

562
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>at that point, goes off and say escape, but he

563
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 1>eventually get takes the Wolf's advice and leaves and uh,

564
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 1>that's where we'll close out the first act. So we'll

565
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 1>take our next ad break before we head into act two.

566
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>And Listener's these ads help keep the lights on a

567
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.359
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568
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>ads come on, and they could be a bit loud

569
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>to give you that three count before they come on

570
00:31:44.319 --> 00:31:49.480
<v Speaker 1>three two one, we'll be right back, and we are

571
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 1>back and the mask has come off. Oh my god,

572
00:31:51.839 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 1>it's David shucker Pun intended. Well, when when they were

573
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>going through We've got to mention when they were going

574
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 1>through the Department of Damage Control headquarters, we did see

575
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 1>them experimenting and looking at you know, shockers, shockers, and

576
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:14.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, Metico is making points say well, you know,

577
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.240
<v Speaker 1>we need to use these weapons for our best sake

578
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 1>and turn them to the good guys. That way we

579
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>can fight the bad guys, which again makes sense.

580
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it makes sense, but never in comic book, Lord

581
00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 2>never works out in their favor.

582
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Yep. So all right, why don't you lead us off

583
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>for how we entered it back too?

584
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>All right, So we've got Peter arriving at Empire State

585
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>University and he arrives to the lecture of doctor Bruce Banner,

586
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 2>so he goes up to him after his lecture, and

587
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>he asked him about his unit that he has on

588
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>his hand that is made to suppress the Hulk. And

589
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 2>at this point, Spider Man is showing that he is

590
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>a true scientist through and through, like he completely understands

591
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.839
<v Speaker 2>everything that's going on, how it's suppressing the genome and

592
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.880
<v Speaker 2>how and at which stage is doing it. And Banner's

593
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 2>very much impressed. So he's continuing to have this conversation

594
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 2>with him as Peter's asking him, theoretically, could you do

595
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 2>that with someone else? Could you do that with with

596
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>a different genome, with a different trait that has been

597
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>taken over from there? And they start talking about this

598
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 2>possibility of a universal inhibitor, to which Banner says that,

599
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:46.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, while theoretically it's possible having a universal inhibitor

600
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 2>that can take away any powers, does tow a moral

601
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>line and gives Peter something to think about.

602
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially when going back to when he's doing the lecture,

603
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you see some guy dressed up as the Hulk, and

604
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 1>you see that Banner has to do with this whole

605
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 1>idea of like Okay, we get to ask one or

606
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>two Avengers questions at this point and have fun to

607
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 1>appease the masses. So he's dealing with this. But but

608
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 1>like you even proposed this idea, I believe in fact

609
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>or fiction that you know, these this idea of an

610
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:21.639
<v Speaker 1>inhibitor that even before we knew, you know, Spider Man

611
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 1>was going to develop like the you know, he calls

612
00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 1>it out on the trail like that, you know, see

613
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 1>me without this, you know, go running? You know this

614
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>The the amount of time they spent on this idea

615
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 1>of the inhibitor and the universal inhibitor, and like the

616
00:34:34.400 --> 00:34:39.480
<v Speaker 1>whole point of getting it on eventually on this entity.

617
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, there is that. But you know, before that

618
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I forgot to mention when oh, never mind, I'm getting

619
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 1>ahead of myself. I was saying, what a minute, Oh,

620
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:56.280
<v Speaker 1>we're not there yet. This whole idea of suppressing powers

621
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 1>sometimes permanently with the device on. It's like saying, oh,

622
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>we're going for the mutant inhibitor collars, which I'll say this,

623
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I was waiting for the d dooc to kind of

624
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.079
<v Speaker 1>take when he does develop this later onto the film,

625
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it gets damaged suff like that I expected

626
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 1>someone to like just pick it up and use it.

627
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 1>So I think there was no hints towards that we

628
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 1>know it's coming. But I was really surprised they squandered

629
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.639
<v Speaker 1>that opportunity to have someone like kind of take that,

630
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>saying hmm, we saw was trying to do.

631
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Because it was in their possession at one point. And

632
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>again we'll get to that later. I am surprised that

633
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>we did not hear some characters say, hey take this

634
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and study it, or hey take this and reverse engineering.

635
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Just send Osborne. I hear he's a really good scientist. Yeah,

636
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so he puts that idea of what he

637
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.400
<v Speaker 1>needs to do, and you know, Banner makes you know,

638
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 1>one of my students, are you I never get old.

639
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 1>So Peter does try to create his own inhibitor Trip

640
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:02.559
<v Speaker 1>not much says during the test runs, they they they last,

641
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:05.280
<v Speaker 1>They work for a little bit, and then the IRAQ

642
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 1>and the DNA RNA overpowers them and he eventually, you know,

643
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:12.440
<v Speaker 1>it breaks down in the streets and then he sees

644
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>this random person come up to him and you know,

645
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 1>it has that kind of cadence saying, eh, you know,

646
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.440
<v Speaker 1>see you're uh, you're trying to still find me a

647
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man and you have, and the entity basically starts

648
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:28.480
<v Speaker 1>dropping some hints at it knows more about who he

649
00:36:28.639 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 1>is and knows who he is, and that they know

650
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot more in the fact that the person who

651
00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.800
<v Speaker 1>is the entity is in his apartment and calls out

652
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 1>that saying, Hey, you know, maybe I should pay MJ

653
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a visit and that's better not and uh, Spider Man

654
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 1>is gonna go play a race with this entity, and yeah,

655
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>tell us about like this, this race to uh beat

656
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the entity to MJ.

657
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, so the is in his apartment, it's reading

658
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the note and at that point says it's going after MJ.

659
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.239
<v Speaker 2>And it starts bouncing from person to person with no

660
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 2>care or regard for the people's lives that it is

661
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>bouncing into, which is going to lead me to a

662
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>theory that I have a little bit later. But Peter

663
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.400
<v Speaker 2>starts chasing it, and he's asking EV to track the

664
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 2>movements of the people that it's being jumped into, so

665
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 2>he's falling the jumps along, crashes a wedding reception that

666
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 2>this entity has jumped into as well, and then tracks

667
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.519
<v Speaker 2>it all the way to a guy going up in

668
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a helicopter that Peter then stops and he says, hey,

669
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I figured it out. You can only jump up to

670
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:44.599
<v Speaker 2>thirty three feet. I've got you up here. There's no

671
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 2>one else around. I like to see you get MJ.

672
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Now to that point, A don't trash talk the person

673
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and be my my theory, I can't prove it, but

674
00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>my theory is that with the way that this entity

675
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>disregarded life earlier, I think that the helicopter pilot jumped

676
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and then this entity jumped into somebody else before it

677
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:08.800
<v Speaker 2>hit the ground.

678
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I could. I could easily see that as well.

679
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.039
<v Speaker 1>So didn't see a body, didn't see a person after

680
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Nobody cares at that point. So Peter does make it

681
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to MJ's apartment and just kind of like panic. He's saying,

682
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I know you don't know who I am, but you

683
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>know I'm Spider Man. Someone's trying to go after you.

684
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 1>I need you need to come with me in order

685
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>to be safe, and I just needed to trust me.

686
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:34.360
<v Speaker 1>And she's like okay, and you know, we get a

687
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 1>nice little you know, swinging sequence, and you know she's scared,

688
00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.079
<v Speaker 1>but he's like, no, I'm not gonna drop you. And

689
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>then he feels. He gets to a point where he said,

690
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 1>are I'm gonna sit down here? And m J just

691
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of just kind of goes after him and just

692
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>saying like, you know, what can why can't you tell

693
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:54.480
<v Speaker 1>me what's going on? And then she says, you know,

694
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I just have this feeling like I know you, Like

695
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>you're someone I know, like every you know, I know

696
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man was there, you know in Washington, d C.

697
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Who's there in my you know, the whole night Monkey

698
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 1>episode and things like that, Like I have a feeling

699
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 1>like I know who you are.

700
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like once or twice is a coincidence, but it's

701
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 2>been more than that.

702
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And so they get close and she kind of

703
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:21.440
<v Speaker 1>pulls up the mess and goes in for a kiss

704
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and they make out for a little bit and then

705
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>she says Peter and he's like, oh my god, you know, I.

706
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 2>Can't believe you know, I've missed you so much.

707
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.199
<v Speaker 1>And at that moment, even in the theater, I was like,

708
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>this isn't it. This is the entity, this is too,

709
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>this is too even though I wanted to happen like

710
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I want it to happen, it's like, Nah, this isn't

711
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the way it's going and something's up here, and even

712
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Peter realizes when it Memjay starts saying certain things like

713
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:53.400
<v Speaker 1>how dare you do this? Like how absolutely dare you

714
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, take this and do this to her? And

715
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the entity just kind of grews around with it and

716
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.800
<v Speaker 1>then causes them Jay to jump off the roof and

717
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Peter has to go after and luckily saves her before

718
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>she crashed into the pavement. And then a man comes

719
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 1>up to Peter and kind of says, exactly what's what's

720
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of going on? And you know, he you know,

721
00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>we get our first look at Sadie Sink as the

722
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 1>one controlling this entity.

723
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I didn't like the fact that once

724
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 2>he saved m J, you know, from the roof and

725
00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.480
<v Speaker 2>they're lighting and the man walks up, he's like, you know,

726
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm done, I'm done. Stop whatever. I will leave you alone.

727
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Just leave m J alone like that. That's you know,

728
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>his love for her just shining through that. He's like,

729
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:44.480
<v Speaker 2>I will do whatever.

730
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Peter says he's going to take it to

731
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:54.960
<v Speaker 1>another safe place. Well before he leaves, like the man

732
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>through whoever this person's controlling entity, says like you're trusting

733
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 1>the Department of Defense. Department's gonna Department of Damage Control.

734
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 2>And.

735
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:11.400
<v Speaker 1>They're not the good guys, like you see what they're doing,

736
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 1>and they're not the good guys.

737
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Still looking for this this VMAX and you know it,

738
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, it was the scene between this guy

739
00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 2>talking through this Entities character, through Sadie Singh's character that

740
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:36.239
<v Speaker 2>we still don't fully know the name of yet and

741
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:40.199
<v Speaker 2>yes it is coming. So unless you are Stephen Lacy

742
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:42.880
<v Speaker 2>on a red carpet, you know, it was still a

743
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 2>cigaret for the rest of us.

744
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>I never watched that thing.

745
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I saw I did I did not, thankfully I did not.

746
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.079
<v Speaker 2>You know, again, we we all had our theories, but

747
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 2>for someone to just outright spoillet like that, but you know,

748
00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>it was the cool scene. And then of course Spidery's

749
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>his mass ev is, you know, cross checking who this

750
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.480
<v Speaker 2>person is and and trying to figure out what's going on.

751
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's again it's the warning of it. And

752
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 1>I know I've been I've been saying the acronym RUNG,

753
00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying Department of Damage Group, but I've been saying

754
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the AFROC is d O d C, not d DO

755
00:42:20.480 --> 00:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>O c So it takes her to another safe place,

756
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.159
<v Speaker 1>and the safe place has a lot of booby traps

757
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.159
<v Speaker 1>on it and ends up being where Frank is hiding

758
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 1>out at least one of his hiding spots on the

759
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 1>in the shipyard. And you know, they had this again,

760
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 1>this back and forth. They bring up Staten Island again,

761
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.679
<v Speaker 1>and again it's kind of like I think about the

762
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Ulaana thing. This is kind of where should have died,

763
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 1>the whole Staten Island kind of thing, like I could

764
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I could say one more time when at the end

765
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 1>I could, I could be okay with it. But this

766
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:01.039
<v Speaker 1>is like, okay, this is where the quick pess doesn't

767
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:04.840
<v Speaker 1>do it for me. It's it's more grown worthy for me. Yeah.

768
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:07.760
<v Speaker 2>So when they when they started the little back and forth,

769
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.639
<v Speaker 2>I was like okay. And then they kept going and

770
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 2>then you have MJ just standing there awkwardly as this

771
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 2>mass of age Lante and then this grown ass man

772
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:19.679
<v Speaker 2>with a rifle who just tried to kill them with

773
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:23.320
<v Speaker 2>booby traps are sitting here arguing about Staten Island.

774
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's you know, like I said, I get it.

775
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're a little more overcritical sometimes of it.

776
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>But it's just like, yah, you know again, it's okay.

777
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.280
<v Speaker 2>You know we still now for the next special presentation.

778
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I need to know what happened on Staten Island.

779
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think it'll be more of like what

780
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:48.519
<v Speaker 1>happened in Budapest, you know. Yeah, so they do. He

781
00:43:48.559 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 1>takes them in and you know, Peter's got to figure out, like, well,

782
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 1>how to solve this. The inhibitor why keeps on shorting out?

783
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:00.840
<v Speaker 1>But he's like, I gotta go this, this and this,

784
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 1>and he said, what do you need to listen all

785
00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 1>the parts that I got it? I got it? I

786
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.119
<v Speaker 1>got it. It's like, how do you have this and

787
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:10.960
<v Speaker 1>jump without missing? And they doesn't miss bee sake, Well

788
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 1>he feels bombs and she's like He's like, yeah, she

789
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 1>got it. So yeah, so and this is a great

790
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, we I referenced a lot of

791
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 1>times a an episode of Marvel Lines and Brent and

792
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I did once like our top ten uh favorite non

793
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 1>action sequences of MC of the MC, whether it be

794
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 1>streaming or that, and this definitely could make either one

795
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of them, like her hit the conversation with m J

796
00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>and the conversation with Frank, but the conversation with m

797
00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 1>J is really interesting just because of like he's behind

798
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>a curtain, unmasked, and she's not looking. I new, we

799
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>know she wants to, but like they just had this

800
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.159
<v Speaker 1>conversation about this.

801
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Is sheer curtain. It's not like this was like heavy blackouts.

802
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 2>This is a sheer curtain.

803
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not gonna take much, but you know, having

804
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 1>this conversation about who he is, you know, what does

805
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:10.239
<v Speaker 1>he what does he do outside of this? And like

806
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.559
<v Speaker 1>it faces again in a mission like he has no life,

807
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Like he there is no Missus Spider Man, there's no

808
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>anything for him. But and then he kind of tries

809
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to push back a little bit on hers, like you

810
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.239
<v Speaker 1>have a boyfriend, this, that and the other, and we

811
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of seem like, yeah, she's not really as into

812
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:31.519
<v Speaker 1>him as Peter thinks he she is. And it's MJ.

813
00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Fitzs out with her biomedical and engineering knowledge that it's

814
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 1>Peter's goggles that are too close to the inhibitor that

815
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.119
<v Speaker 1>are causing it issues, and after fixing it, she points

816
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 1>out that the tech he's working on is enough to

817
00:45:42.679 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 1>control the monster and that Peter doesn't seem to uh

818
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.039
<v Speaker 1>like like like the one to her, you know, yeah, so,

819
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, what did you think of that whole discussion?

820
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>So I liked everything from the moment that MJ walked

821
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>into Frank's house, through their whole discussion about whether him

822
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>being a monster, everything that Zindeia was doing in that moment,

823
00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>her back and forth with Frank to start where he's like,

824
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I got my one rule, don't touch my shit, don't

825
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 2>move anything, don't do this, and she goes, yeah, that's

826
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.360
<v Speaker 2>three rules and they're little. Both of those two cynics

827
00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>having their moment was good, and in her conversation with

828
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.000
<v Speaker 2>him where she sheds the light that you know, her

829
00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:30.199
<v Speaker 2>and her boyfriend aren't as close and loving as Peter

830
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:34.119
<v Speaker 2>assumed from them that glimpse that he saw them together.

831
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:39.280
<v Speaker 2>And then she gets her chance to really show off

832
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:43.199
<v Speaker 2>like ned's been the guy in chair. Peter has shown

833
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.280
<v Speaker 2>off his stuff. Now we get to see what led

834
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:50.199
<v Speaker 2>MJ into mit like she she is smart in her

835
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:55.320
<v Speaker 2>own right, and she is constantly proving her prowess in

836
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.480
<v Speaker 2>this and her figuring out, you know, the thing about

837
00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the goggles and them having that moment there in the

838
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.559
<v Speaker 2>conversation she has about his DNA and how it's evolving

839
00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>and mutating and it being something and him saying that, hey,

840
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 2>if you've seen how I've been over the last couple

841
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 2>of days, you would think that I'm a monster. And

842
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 2>she's like, well, i've seen you over the last couple

843
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.199
<v Speaker 2>of hours, and you don't seem like a monster me.

844
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 2>You just seem like a man who's changing.

845
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and uh that eventually leads to uh, you know.

846
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>The next day, Frank comes in and he says, us,

847
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.400
<v Speaker 1>you can't sleep tune and he's like no, but you know,

848
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:36.559
<v Speaker 1>makes coffee and he drinks it with his mask on,

849
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:38.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, up, you know, pulls up his mask so

850
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:40.480
<v Speaker 1>we can drink, and Frank just laughs out of saying

851
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.639
<v Speaker 1>you know what's going on? You know you can't really

852
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 1>that's the whole point of secret to day Frank can't

853
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>be me, I can't be you, and things like that,

854
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I wish I could be you and.

855
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Great Frank moment.

856
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah no, and he's like, no, I don't want

857
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to be me? Does this look like

858
00:47:58.599 --> 00:47:59.280
<v Speaker 1>they want to leave?

859
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:01.519
<v Speaker 2>This isn't a gift. This is a sentence.

860
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a great quote, like, this isn't a gift,

861
00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.760
<v Speaker 1>This is a sentence. You know. He He's like, you

862
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>have an opportunity, you know, to get this girl like you,

863
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an idiot. I know that you have a

864
00:48:14.679 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 1>thing for this girl and it goes just just beyond

865
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.119
<v Speaker 1>infatuation or anything like that. Like I am not what

866
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 1>anyone should highlizs to be. We'vehouden Frank say that over

867
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 1>and over again, and I don't think with this, like

868
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>in this whole portrayal of Frank, like he's showing Peter

869
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.760
<v Speaker 1>like Peter is basically one or two steps away from

870
00:48:33.800 --> 00:48:36.840
<v Speaker 1>becoming Frank because all his all his life right now

871
00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 1>is Spider Man. All Frank knows how to do is

872
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 1>be the punisher, like he doesn't know how to be

873
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 1>anything else, and he knows he's he's damned and that's

874
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 1>why he is. His value for his own life, he

875
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:51.199
<v Speaker 1>has no value for his life. He'll value saving others,

876
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>but he's alone. He has no real friends or ones

877
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 1>that he considers to be friends. And he's basically warning

878
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Peter was like, dude, you know, don't don't do this.

879
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but he's talked about the inhibitories created that

880
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>would kill you know, we get like you said, you

881
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 1>know this is Jean Gray. When they find out who

882
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 1>who this person is, you know, it was it's been

883
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 1>out there for a while, it was out there when

884
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.840
<v Speaker 1>she was first cast. And you know what, it didn't

885
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.239
<v Speaker 1>really ruin anything for me. One could say it was

886
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.079
<v Speaker 1>anticon bacted, but like hearing Jean Gray being in this

887
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 1>is just like it was more like, okay, we're doing this,

888
00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 1>like it just makes it more real. So it wasn't

889
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.199
<v Speaker 1>necessarily anything was ruined. It's just like it's finally happened.

890
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:43.679
<v Speaker 1>We're heading to the X Men. You know, it felt

891
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.039
<v Speaker 1>it just felt like one of those this is happening,

892
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>not like so crazy the office is happening, but like, okay,

893
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we're doing this.

894
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.039
<v Speaker 2>As this started to really come to fruish and and

895
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I thought more and more, okay that this is seeming

896
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>like a lot to be Jean Gray, but everyone was

897
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:02.159
<v Speaker 2>still playing about it and everything else. I was like,

898
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 2>all right, is this gonna be like Batman Arkham Night,

899
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>where it's it's not Jason does not Jason, Ed's Jason Todd.

900
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:13.480
<v Speaker 2>But the way that they did this where it's y

901
00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 2>it's Jing Gray, but it's it's Jean Gray, and we're

902
00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:22.039
<v Speaker 2>we're giving you the first stepping stones to the future here,

903
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 2>and and that makes me excited that this is the

904
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 2>first stepping stones towards the future.

905
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:34.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Peter heads out and you know, swinging and

906
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:37.719
<v Speaker 1>act when he hears there's attack on the Department of

907
00:50:37.880 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Damage Controls headquarters. And as he heads out, m J

908
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 1>comes in and says, do you gotta go help him?

909
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.440
<v Speaker 1>And he's like yah like that, and she's like, well,

910
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:49.679
<v Speaker 1>what about Staten Island.

911
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he doesn't need my help. It's like, just

912
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.760
<v Speaker 2>like you didn't need his help on Staten Island.

913
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Yep, exactly. So we get this big the next major

914
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.960
<v Speaker 1>action sequence with this attack, you know, Gene has broken

915
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.760
<v Speaker 1>into Damage Control and was looking for Vmax on the computer.

916
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Now Bill Metzger and his staff are hiding in the

917
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.800
<v Speaker 1>room with the big protected vault that Peter pointed out earlier.

918
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Now again, is that all this was was a panic room.

919
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It looked like old computers and some files and

920
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:26.320
<v Speaker 2>that canister with the triquilizer. Now I'm like, this is

921
00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 2>what you're protecting, this huge giant vault.

922
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know it. It was like okay, but we.

923
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Hear the beating on the vault. As you know, she's

924
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.000
<v Speaker 2>saying like, hey, the doors may hold up, but the

925
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 2>walls won't.

926
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he keeps hearing this beating as Peter's walking

927
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:51.280
<v Speaker 1>in hearing it thunder, and it's just like, oh, yeah,

928
00:51:51.639 --> 00:51:54.719
<v Speaker 1>she's she's got someone pretty strong doing this, and she's

929
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 1>got none other than she's controlling Bruce Banner in this case,

930
00:51:58.639 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 1>controlling him as smart hole.

931
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

932
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 1>And eventually he turns into Savage Hulk, and Peter and

933
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Savage oakle at it inside the headquarters until Frank comes

934
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:16.159
<v Speaker 1>in and fires. Basically, this is basically pouring bullets into

935
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 1>into Hulk and having absolutely no effect.

936
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 2>We get the Frank Castle scream as she the first time.

937
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Me and Brenn are sitting there and he does he's shooting.

938
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.880
<v Speaker 2>We are just both like Chancy, like yes, yes, you can't.

939
00:52:34.719 --> 00:52:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Protect women green.

940
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like, oh, we're getting some classic And so it

941
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 2>was a fun, fun fight. It's it's not I know,

942
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 2>I saw some people saying it's the best fight of

943
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 2>the movie. I did not think it's the best fight

944
00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>of the movie. I think the best by the movie

945
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:55.400
<v Speaker 2>comes later. But it was a fun fight between Spider Man,

946
00:52:55.840 --> 00:52:57.440
<v Speaker 2>the Hulk, and Punisher.

947
00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just cool seeing it. But you can see

948
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:02.519
<v Speaker 1>like Frank and I'm kind of with it this this

949
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.440
<v Speaker 1>came off. I laughed. I didn't see it when it

950
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Speaker 1>came out when they officially released it this past week

951
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 1>that the sequence for Frank like kind of looks scared.

952
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:13.039
<v Speaker 1>It was like, and I saw there, I kind of

953
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I definitely laughed audibly because like, that's not Frank. Frank

954
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:19.639
<v Speaker 1>would Frank would more get angry at that point. Frank

955
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:24.840
<v Speaker 1>would scream like he's scared. But whatever that. You know.

956
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 1>Then eventually the entity takes control of the Punisher, but

957
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:33.360
<v Speaker 1>because Savage Hulk has gone, you know, Savage Ulk, she

958
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:35.679
<v Speaker 1>didn't need to control him now to keep Peter occupied,

959
00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:40.159
<v Speaker 1>and they eventually find out that the building he I

960
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:44.679
<v Speaker 1>mean again, that's what Daniel did. Daniel Critin does so well,

961
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.039
<v Speaker 1>is these action sequences and the choreography with them and

962
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:55.800
<v Speaker 1>even doing fighting within the air looks so good at

963
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 1>certain points and other points like yeah, ceg's a little rough,

964
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.000
<v Speaker 1>but like the sequencing, the choreography, it looks really strong.

965
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 1>But at one point, you know, we see when Sabato

966
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:12.920
<v Speaker 1>completely overpowers Spider Man, he pleads him saying it's me, Peter,

967
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:16.199
<v Speaker 1>And at that point Hulk seems to have a glimmer

968
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:20.559
<v Speaker 1>of recognition and stops his attack. Now Spider Man's trying

969
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to get the inhibitor on Hulk. He can't do it.

970
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Hulk's skin is just impenetrable, so he's unable to do it.

971
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>But that moment, like he says, it's me, it's Peter.

972
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:31.239
<v Speaker 1>This is like, this is where he's saying, is it

973
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.360
<v Speaker 1>basically just Peter? In order to break this bell just

974
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 1>has to say who he is around those who did

975
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 1>know him, you know, because in the comics there was

976
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a whole thing where Peter's people had, you know, forgotten

977
00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:48.000
<v Speaker 1>who Spider Man was and when, And we had talked

978
00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 1>about this too, was that what if Bruce doesn't remember

979
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>who Peter is, but Hulk does, because in the comics,

980
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Hulk acknowledges Peter, and Peter's like, how do you know

981
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 1>who I am? When I'm Spider Man? He's like, Hulks,

982
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, Hulk's really smart, banner stupid, you know, So

983
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:07.719
<v Speaker 1>it's a cool winking it not to those of the

984
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 1>comics that know, like Hulk remembers, but the fact that

985
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:14.519
<v Speaker 1>him just acknowledging, Hey, I'm Peter. Is that really how

986
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:16.400
<v Speaker 1>he breaks out? We're gonna revisit that at the end

987
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 1>of this movie. Yeah, so, but yeah, to continue on

988
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>with the what's going on as Punisher is trying to

989
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:25.159
<v Speaker 1>break into this vault?

990
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:29.039
<v Speaker 2>All right, So Punisher, he's he's lining up.

991
00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 1>His let me tell you some red, Let me tell

992
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:33.079
<v Speaker 1>you Jean.

993
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:39.039
<v Speaker 2>He's line up is explosive, you know. They they they

994
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 2>blow open the door and Jean Gray walks in there

995
00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>with with Punisher and she threatens him like, hey, you

996
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:50.840
<v Speaker 2>know you guys resist Punisher's gonna put a hole in

997
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:55.320
<v Speaker 2>your face and wants to know, like what, like, you

998
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 2>know what I want? You know why I'm here? You know,

999
00:55:59.599 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 2>just get me what I want. And at that point

1000
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and yelling you know where she at that point.

1001
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm laughing right now because I remember where

1002
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I was when I was in the theater last night.

1003
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.239
<v Speaker 1>It was It's like, I want this to give me

1004
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:15.280
<v Speaker 1>one a while. I get that, see the batista.

1005
00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Give me what I want.

1006
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 1>You know what I want? Give it to me, Hunter,

1007
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.320
<v Speaker 1>give it to me, give me what I want.

1008
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought the same thing as well. I'm like, no,

1009
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.280
<v Speaker 2>one's gonna get this a wrestling reference. But yes, that's

1010
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.679
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I what I thought about calling back to

1011
00:56:32.559 --> 00:56:39.519
<v Speaker 2>WrestleMania thirty times like that's but so at this point,

1012
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Spidey swoops in and attaches the Universal Inhibitor to the

1013
00:56:43.480 --> 00:56:47.000
<v Speaker 2>back of her neck and shoots the gun out of

1014
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Punisher's hands, and so she once her powers are down,

1015
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Bill shoots her with a tranquilizer. She starts to pass out.

1016
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Spidy catches her. As she's passing out. She looks at

1017
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 2>him and just says the name Sarah and punish her

1018
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.559
<v Speaker 2>clicks back, you know, back reality, like says you know,

1019
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.679
<v Speaker 2>al has been with everyone else who's jumped. He's like, oh,

1020
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 2>all right, something's going on, and he's like, is that

1021
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 2>my gun that's webbed to the wall. So they carry

1022
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Jeane out of there, the Department of Damage Control Shaser

1023
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:27.719
<v Speaker 2>in her possession. They're saying that they're going to take

1024
00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 2>her somewhere safe so that she can get help and

1025
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 2>they can ask their questions. Spidey says he's got some

1026
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.639
<v Speaker 2>questions for her as well. Bill says, yet, let's not

1027
00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:40.159
<v Speaker 2>push her too hard too soon, and then Spuddy asks

1028
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Billy goes hey, you know, as she's going down, she

1029
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.920
<v Speaker 2>said the name Sarah. Does that ring a bell? And

1030
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Bill responds and says that when Jane first broke into

1031
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.599
<v Speaker 2>the vault for a split second, he hopped into her

1032
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.239
<v Speaker 2>mind and saw the image of an old coworker of

1033
00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:01.639
<v Speaker 2>his who recently passed, and he must have been thinking

1034
00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.320
<v Speaker 2>about her. And then that's why Gene has that name.

1035
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 2>And before sending Gene on her way and Peter.

1036
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 1>On his so and that is where we close out

1037
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 1>heck too. So you know, I definitely enjoyed, you know,

1038
00:58:17.800 --> 00:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>the build up of like you know, Act one kind

1039
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:23.000
<v Speaker 1>of set the table, but like ACTU really stepped it

1040
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 1>up in the action and kind of moving this step

1041
00:58:25.239 --> 00:58:27.760
<v Speaker 1>forward about where we're going and starts kind of really

1042
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 1>tackling the themes of what's going on in that. You know,

1043
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Gene is truly not a villain in this movie. She

1044
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>she is an antagonist because she's looking for answers, and yes,

1045
00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>we don't like her methods, but she's kind of like

1046
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Frank in the sense of I'm gonna do whatever I

1047
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:45.960
<v Speaker 1>need to do in order to get answers, and in

1048
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>this case, avenging my avenging my my sister yeah, you know,

1049
00:58:52.119 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 1>oh eventually find out sister so but anyways, we're gonna

1050
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:00.199
<v Speaker 1>take our next ad break before we head into the

1051
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:03.000
<v Speaker 1>final act of Spider and Brand New Day. So listeners,

1052
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:04.639
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1053
00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:06.440
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1054
00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:07.679
<v Speaker 1>It could be a bit loud to give that three

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00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:10.480
<v Speaker 1>count before they come on. Three two one. We'll be

1056
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>right back and we are back, all right. So we

1057
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:20.519
<v Speaker 1>are back at Frank's hiding spot, his little heighty hole,

1058
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.559
<v Speaker 1>and MJ standing in the kitchen with the letter that

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00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Peter wrote to her four years prior, and she demands

1060
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 1>an explanation and finds it unfair that he would do

1061
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.360
<v Speaker 1>that to her, like hide it from her, you know.

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00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 1>He explains that after the Green Goblin killed Aunt May,

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00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't let anything bad happen to MJ. And Peter

1064
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 1>tells her that he still loves her and that he

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00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.679
<v Speaker 1>never stopped, but MJ tells him that doctor Strean spell

1066
00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:47.400
<v Speaker 1>might have really must have worked because she doesn't love

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00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:50.400
<v Speaker 1>him and doesn't even really know who he is. Basically

1068
00:59:50.800 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 1>tells him the kiss we had, I feel nothing, you know, gut.

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00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Punch, just straight gut punched Appeter, and then it gets

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01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:03.920
<v Speaker 2>worse because she walks out on him and then turns

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01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:06.320
<v Speaker 2>run and immediately comes back and goes, yeah, so I

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01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.599
<v Speaker 2>don't have a cell phone or anything else, so could

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01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:12.360
<v Speaker 2>you take me home? And he's like, uh, yes, sure,

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01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.519
<v Speaker 2>so he leans down, picks his mask up off the floor,

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01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:19.199
<v Speaker 2>and just has to swing her back home as disheveled

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01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:19.840
<v Speaker 2>as he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. So he takes her home and Peter and he's

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01:00:23.360 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 1>still in Spider Man costume. MJ and Net all hang

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01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.239
<v Speaker 1>out for the first time in the years, and when

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<v Speaker 1>they have a second alone, Peter apologize for kissing MJ

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01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>while Jean Gray was controlling her, but MJ says she

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01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:36.519
<v Speaker 1>doesn't remember anything, which is big key because that keeps

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01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:38.880
<v Speaker 1>how Spider Man. It's like, wait a minute, that means

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01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.639
<v Speaker 1>Bill lied about Sarah, and because he shouldn't remember anything

1085
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.400
<v Speaker 1>like that, you know. So he uses nets computer to

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01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.480
<v Speaker 1>call up Elena, who is able to figure out that

1087
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Sarah is Jeane's kidnapped sister. So go on, you had

1088
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:55.840
<v Speaker 1>something you wanted to say, particularly about this sequence.

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01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Jolena's screen name is Macaroni fiend I noticed that

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01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:06.519
<v Speaker 2>on the second viewing her that her screen name is

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01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Macaroni Fen So shout out to those who've seen Hawkey,

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01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you will get the reference.

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01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:14.920
<v Speaker 1>But yes, why do you only have one spoon? That's

1094
01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:19.679
<v Speaker 1>so sad. So, realizing he's been wrong about Geane the

1095
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 1>entire time, he decides to go to Roosevelt Island, where

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01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 1>she's being held by Bill and the d O d C.

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01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Now Roosevelt Island, David, do you know why Roosevelt is

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01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:40.239
<v Speaker 1>another big easter egg in Marvel film history.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think Roosevelt Island is where the skytram is,

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01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:54.159
<v Speaker 2>right that green Goblin through in the movies, MJ. But

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01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:57.239
<v Speaker 2>in the comic books Gwen Stacey off.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Yeah, yeah, that's where ye you said for Spider

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01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:05.039
<v Speaker 1>removed during during the battle of Final Battle with Green Goblins. Yeah,

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01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:07.639
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, there's a there's a tip of the hat

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01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 1>to that as well. So we go inside save the

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01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:15.440
<v Speaker 1>children or save the girl exactly. And so we go

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01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:18.079
<v Speaker 1>inside the memory to when Sarah was being captured by

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01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:23.280
<v Speaker 1>UH by Bill and shortly after their mother abandons the

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01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.239
<v Speaker 1>sisters for being mutants. Bill tells Jane that she and

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01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Sarah had the power that could help a lot of

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01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:31.599
<v Speaker 1>people if placed in the right hand, and that it's

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01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:36.320
<v Speaker 1>essentially uh, not fair for a child to possess these powers.

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01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Before he goes to Gene, Frank Warren, so, yeah, before

1114
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I get into that, like, so Bill trying to you know, again,

1115
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.920
<v Speaker 1>use people for ulterior motives and again anything, we're using

1116
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.880
<v Speaker 1>it for the good people. You know, you can't exist

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01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:57.599
<v Speaker 1>without us. It's just like, yeah, you are the real

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01:02:57.679 --> 01:02:59.920
<v Speaker 1>villains of this one.

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01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they exposed that, yes, this is not you know,

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01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.400
<v Speaker 2>a break from all the other movies where the do

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01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:15.239
<v Speaker 2>O DC was you know, antagonists and now all of

1122
01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.320
<v Speaker 2>a sudden they're good. Nope, they're still bad. They are

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01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:18.039
<v Speaker 2>still bad people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. And so Bill tells Gene that she and Sarah

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01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:27.119
<v Speaker 1>have the power to help a lot of people. And

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01:03:28.519 --> 01:03:30.679
<v Speaker 1>but it's just when he says that, I want to

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01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>revisit that just saying like this is this is the

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01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:35.960
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the problem. Like they don't he doesn't believe like, oh,

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01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:38.840
<v Speaker 1>the a child should be a possess these powers. I

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01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:41.199
<v Speaker 1>should be able to control it or utilize it or

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01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:46.800
<v Speaker 1>extract it. It's just like, yeah, you're what's the beginning

1132
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of the problem for the mutants at this point and

1133
01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:54.960
<v Speaker 1>just in general powered individuals. But before he goes to Gene,

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01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Frank Warren Spiderman about setting her free and plans to

1135
01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:03.519
<v Speaker 1>come and are to a system, Bill begins torturing Gene

1136
01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 1>by way of tracking all of her jump patterns and

1137
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.440
<v Speaker 1>seeing how many she can attempt in a certain amount

1138
01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.760
<v Speaker 1>of time. When Jeane looks up from the ceiling, she

1139
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:14.599
<v Speaker 1>sees a vmax label on the vent, which really reads

1140
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:18.039
<v Speaker 1>vent max vmax is the last thing Sarah is sent

1141
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to Gene telepathically before she died, and so it's been

1142
01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:23.800
<v Speaker 1>absolutely nothing. It was just her last memory to try

1143
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.639
<v Speaker 1>to tell Jane where she was. Yeah.

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01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:31.559
<v Speaker 2>So, and you know when she has that revelation as

1145
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:35.159
<v Speaker 2>they're experimenting on her and trying to push her jump capabilities,

1146
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and she looks up and sees that she just is overcome.

1147
01:04:40.159 --> 01:04:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely power surges just it unlocks more potential in her

1148
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.440
<v Speaker 2>to where she just she says, you're a murderer. I

1149
01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:54.599
<v Speaker 2>know what you did. This is the room my sister died,

1150
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and none of you are going anywhere as she sends

1151
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:04.079
<v Speaker 2>out this massive burst of her that freezes everything in

1152
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:08.559
<v Speaker 2>a radius of Roosevelt Island. Like you see people just

1153
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 2>stop in their tracks. They are just frozen. They are

1154
01:05:12.039 --> 01:05:15.440
<v Speaker 2>still conscious, they are still aware because we see Ned

1155
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and MJ who are looking scared as they are frozen

1156
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.920
<v Speaker 2>in their tracks. But everyone is just held on by

1157
01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:27.199
<v Speaker 2>this shockwave that Jane has sent out when she is

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01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:28.400
<v Speaker 2>full of these emotions.

1159
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Yep. And so when Peter arrives, she freezes the Hand

1160
01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 1>to make them fight Peter. And during the fight, Peter

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01:05:36.400 --> 01:05:41.480
<v Speaker 1>is wearing his inhibitor and is therefore using his homemade webshooters.

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01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:43.760
<v Speaker 1>As it turns out, the weapons that the Hand are

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<v Speaker 1>using are based on Shakers arm technology, which we're designed

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01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:50.039
<v Speaker 1>to specifically to destroy Peter's artificial webbing. So when Peter's losing

1165
01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the fight, losing it badly, Gene's taunting him. He unmasks

1166
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.599
<v Speaker 1>himself and cost up blood and revealing his black eyes.

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01:05:56.679 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 1>She can tells Spider Man that Sarah died in room

1168
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.599
<v Speaker 1>because she was special. She said, we don't get to

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01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.440
<v Speaker 1>have a normal life, no friends or family. Those people

1170
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:09.079
<v Speaker 1>are gone. That life is over. And she then asked

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01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Peter be honest with hilf are you Are you Peter

1172
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Parker or Spider Man, and then Peter Snapediz and said

1173
01:06:14.639 --> 01:06:21.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm both got the fight. Yeah, then throwing hands.

1174
01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The fight with him in the hand is probably

1175
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:28.400
<v Speaker 2>my favorite from start to finish. The before I'll call

1176
01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:32.039
<v Speaker 2>it the before awakening and the after awakening aspects, both

1177
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:34.280
<v Speaker 2>of them, all of it combined is cool because the

1178
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:37.159
<v Speaker 2>hand they're they are moving in sequence to the part

1179
01:06:37.199 --> 01:06:39.880
<v Speaker 2>where they do that maneuver where they kind of like

1180
01:06:39.960 --> 01:06:42.000
<v Speaker 2>jump on each other's backs to get the high ground

1181
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:44.679
<v Speaker 2>and stab down on him, and even though he's in danger,

1182
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.760
<v Speaker 2>she's like, that is so incredibly cool. It's just the

1183
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:51.119
<v Speaker 2>way that they were moving and sinking. Yet between the

1184
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:54.679
<v Speaker 2>hand and the people who were in the Department of

1185
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Damage Control, they have these specialized weapons that are made

1186
01:06:57.800 --> 01:07:02.119
<v Speaker 2>to disintegrate the webbing of Spider Man so he can't

1187
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.480
<v Speaker 2>use it. And Jean's even taunting him with that, like, oh,

1188
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you you thought these people on your site they've been

1189
01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:11.960
<v Speaker 2>organizing and preparing for any time that you were ever

1190
01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:13.199
<v Speaker 2>to get out of line.

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01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And and that's what they're that's what they're really

1192
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Damaged control is there for not just they're taking the criminals,

1193
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the superpowered criminals, but just in case they're the ones, uh,

1194
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:30.000
<v Speaker 1>you know punter non intended like going rogue, you know. So.

1195
01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.199
<v Speaker 1>But Peter does defeat the hands, but he pleades Gene

1196
01:07:33.280 --> 01:07:35.559
<v Speaker 1>not to kill Bill as it won't make it right

1197
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:37.960
<v Speaker 1>or bring Sarah back as he breaks in and sees

1198
01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:42.400
<v Speaker 1>her basically like like ten glass yards surrounding his his head,

1199
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.039
<v Speaker 1>and she trasts Peter, you know, in that weird frozen

1200
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.320
<v Speaker 1>power aura and she allows him to enter his mind

1201
01:07:49.760 --> 01:07:51.760
<v Speaker 1>like for the first time. And Jane walks into the

1202
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:54.679
<v Speaker 1>memory of Aunt May sitting down to the bed next

1203
01:07:54.679 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 1>to her, which is what we kind of seen small

1204
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 1>sequences of, and you know, Marissa Tomey returning for new sequences.

1205
01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:02.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, I did have that my big old card

1206
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:06.239
<v Speaker 1>for this movie. And she said to says to Gene,

1207
01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:10.239
<v Speaker 1>because you're special, people can do dark, monstrous things to you.

1208
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.519
<v Speaker 1>We love you not because you're special, but because of

1209
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 1>who you are, you know, May and Jean hug and

1210
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.800
<v Speaker 1>Peter sits down into the bed next to Gene, saying,

1211
01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry about your sister. Just because we lost someone

1212
01:08:20.880 --> 01:08:23.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean we have to do this alone. And she says,

1213
01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:25.680
<v Speaker 1>I have no one, and Peter says, you have me

1214
01:08:26.319 --> 01:08:28.159
<v Speaker 1>and you know what he has. That's when Vin Dizea

1215
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:33.439
<v Speaker 1>walks into an aisles and you also got family, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1216
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Gotta throw that in there.

1217
01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can't, can't. You can't mess with family. So uh so,

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01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:43.319
<v Speaker 1>on a split second, he senses the bullet headed towards

1219
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:46.159
<v Speaker 1>them and managed to pull Jane out of the way.

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01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Breaks are frozen, all this city, everything collapses around it.

1221
01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:53.479
<v Speaker 1>The city is freed. Uh Bill Metzger is freed from

1222
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:57.199
<v Speaker 1>the the glass yards going into him, and but Peter

1223
01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:02.119
<v Speaker 1>is near fatally wounded, and Frank realizes, h O screw

1224
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.960
<v Speaker 1>it up and gets gets Peter out of there, and

1225
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, the news is like, you know, Peter, you

1226
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.880
<v Speaker 1>know it's gonna be Spider Man is on his deathbed.

1227
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.800
<v Speaker 1>He's seriously injured. He's got like a vigil outside his room,

1228
01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and but Gene is elsewhere during this time trying to

1229
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:23.600
<v Speaker 1>wake up Peter's mind, and she finally does from his coma,

1230
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:29.680
<v Speaker 1>and you know, Frank explains that Gene has been using

1231
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:33.199
<v Speaker 1>her magic voodoo stuff to keep him alive. And he

1232
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 1>apologized said, I've been I've seen real bravery in my day,

1233
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:40.920
<v Speaker 1>but that was something else. And I think this is

1234
01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:45.079
<v Speaker 1>the moment where you know, Frank's this and I was, God,

1235
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:49.439
<v Speaker 1>we're not trying to change Frank massively, like Frank being

1236
01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:54.239
<v Speaker 1>open to having Spider Man tag along. Yeah, it's annoying

1237
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:56.720
<v Speaker 1>to him, but he cares about the kid, especially when

1238
01:09:56.960 --> 01:09:58.800
<v Speaker 1>she says, I got a way to sneak out of here,

1239
01:09:59.000 --> 01:10:03.800
<v Speaker 1>and no one's going to be the wiser. But Peter's

1240
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:05.920
<v Speaker 1>not trying to change Frank either, Like they both know

1241
01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:09.880
<v Speaker 1>exactly what they're doing, but they can coexist in a

1242
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:11.520
<v Speaker 1>certain way as long as either one of them doesn't

1243
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:15.680
<v Speaker 1>cross the line. And so that's why I think, you know,

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01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.600
<v Speaker 1>having Frank there in this movie as the new mentor,

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01:10:19.760 --> 01:10:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, not your typical mentor, because Peter again was

1246
01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:27.079
<v Speaker 1>in battling this whole movie with I am Spider Man.

1247
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:28.840
<v Speaker 1>That is who I am, That is who I really am.

1248
01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:31.399
<v Speaker 1>That is my life. When it's not his life, he

1249
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:33.880
<v Speaker 1>can't have a life with it. He can't live in

1250
01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 1>constant fear of letting people get close to him because

1251
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:46.159
<v Speaker 1>they might get hurt or possibly die. Yeah, so he

1252
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:48.119
<v Speaker 1>gets to walk out of the hospital while Frank is

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01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:51.880
<v Speaker 1>portraying Spider Man for the window with the fans, and

1254
01:10:52.880 --> 01:10:54.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's that one kid.

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01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Still doing the punisher yell while just as Spider Man.

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01:10:58.039 --> 01:11:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well there's one kid kind of sees Peter and

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01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.479
<v Speaker 1>go whip flip with his hands and signaling that he

1258
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:07.600
<v Speaker 1>knows he Spider manner has this idea that he's doing that.

1259
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:12.159
<v Speaker 1>But you know, we cut to Peter back at Franks

1260
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:15.600
<v Speaker 1>watching the sunset, then cutting to mjsoning on Mintown High's

1261
01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:19.760
<v Speaker 1>rooftop watching the same sunset, but she's holding a necklace,

1262
01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:22.880
<v Speaker 1>not just any necklace, the vac Dahalia necklace that Peter

1263
01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.279
<v Speaker 1>gave to her and far from home, and there's kind

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01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.600
<v Speaker 1>of little smirk on on MJ's face.

1265
01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it was that does is she starting

1266
01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:36.920
<v Speaker 2>to remember now or is this a I'm coming around

1267
01:11:36.920 --> 01:11:38.880
<v Speaker 2>to the ideal of him type deal?

1268
01:11:40.479 --> 01:11:45.199
<v Speaker 1>So with that, you know, I'm with you. I don't

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01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:47.319
<v Speaker 1>really know. We gotta kind of see exactly what's going on.

1270
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Jeane is on a bus headed to what appears to

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01:11:50.039 --> 01:11:53.119
<v Speaker 1>be upstate New York. Hm, upstate New York, you know,

1272
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:54.920
<v Speaker 1>And I know there's a special school up there with

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01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:58.119
<v Speaker 1>a guy named Charles Xavier. Yeah, that a special place

1274
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:01.600
<v Speaker 1>for gifted children exactly. So that's where we fans know

1275
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:03.600
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. To the general audience, she's just getting

1276
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.680
<v Speaker 1>on a bus and getting out of dodge. No, we

1277
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.880
<v Speaker 1>purposely are seeing, like the way the tree lines, everything

1278
01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.479
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's upstate New York. My wife's originally from

1279
01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.439
<v Speaker 1>upstate New York, so I'm quite familiar with driving through

1280
01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that area. So yeah, so we get that small hint

1281
01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:23.439
<v Speaker 1>at where she's headed to, and we cut to him

1282
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.119
<v Speaker 1>at this bodega again on his phone with the Wolf

1283
01:12:26.119 --> 01:12:29.560
<v Speaker 1>who tells him Bill has gone missing, and she also

1284
01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:34.359
<v Speaker 1>is encouraging him, you need to take a break, stay

1285
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:36.199
<v Speaker 1>off the crime circuit for a little bit, or if

1286
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to, don't be so involved with it. And

1287
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, he remembers her kid's name, says to say

1288
01:12:43.039 --> 01:12:47.279
<v Speaker 1>hi to them. When Ned walks in, Peter introduces himself.

1289
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:51.479
<v Speaker 1>Instead of saying anything else they do there, he starts

1290
01:12:52.319 --> 01:12:56.039
<v Speaker 1>doing the best hand friendship shake that he and Ned

1291
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:59.199
<v Speaker 1>had in the past. Now Ned's very made because he's

1292
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:00.920
<v Speaker 1>just doing it like a'm the memory that he didn't

1293
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.640
<v Speaker 1>know he had, and he told him his name is Peter.

1294
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:07.399
<v Speaker 1>After they do that whole hand sequence, he looks up

1295
01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:13.560
<v Speaker 1>at Peter and says, Peter credits, you know.

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01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:20.560
<v Speaker 2>To which Brent Uh brought up a very good point

1297
01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:24.239
<v Speaker 2>and we we haven't truly fact checked this, but this

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01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:27.399
<v Speaker 2>could be the first Spider Man movie that does not

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01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:31.560
<v Speaker 2>end on a swinging does not end on a swinging

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01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:32.600
<v Speaker 2>action sequence.

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01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, so let's yeah, let's see, we don't know

1302
01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:39.000
<v Speaker 1>him with the new costume.

1303
01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:43.039
<v Speaker 2>Ye Far Far from Home had him swinging with m

1304
01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:44.760
<v Speaker 2>J before the news revelation.

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01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:46.640
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:49.600
<v Speaker 2>The first one had him swinging at the end, like

1307
01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:54.720
<v Speaker 2>and even back in the other eras like this second

1308
01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Amazing had him swinging into the fight with Rhino and

1309
01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the doing that jumping swinging throwing the the manhole cover scene.

1310
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So like they they've all ended with some type of

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01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:15.800
<v Speaker 2>swinging action sequence and this one just no Peter credits.

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01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Uh. If you're talking live action, it sounds like you

1313
01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 1>got a what I call lovely ESPN Sports Center fact

1314
01:14:22.359 --> 01:14:25.159
<v Speaker 1>facts that are just okay, that's nice trivia, but absolutely

1315
01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:28.359
<v Speaker 1>it means nothing. But but if you're kind to be

1316
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:35.359
<v Speaker 1>like any kind of like portrayal of movie wise, uh

1317
01:14:35.560 --> 01:14:38.159
<v Speaker 1>into the across the Spider verse also did not end

1318
01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 1>in a web webbing kind of flying in there. Yeah,

1319
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:48.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, because all the people are already in position, and uh,

1320
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:50.279
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so but live action, yeah you might have

1321
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:52.840
<v Speaker 1>you might have a good uh sports center fact there,

1322
01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:56.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was already brought up, you know with

1323
01:14:56.239 --> 01:15:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Hulk fight scene. He says, it's me suggested. Maybe MJ's

1324
01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.399
<v Speaker 1>they lying about having no memory of what she loved

1325
01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:05.279
<v Speaker 1>or just not as wanting to admit it to herself.

1326
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.279
<v Speaker 1>Of like what who Like she kind of wants to

1327
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:12.680
<v Speaker 1>understand who Peter is, So why else would she returned

1328
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.479
<v Speaker 1>to the rooftop holding the necklace she she had no

1329
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.399
<v Speaker 1>relection of room. So in the comics, it seems that

1330
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Spider Man unmasking is revealing his identities, is simply telling

1331
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 1>them who he is. And Brand New Day ends on

1332
01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:33.479
<v Speaker 1>a very optimistic note. You know, Spider manlifitter again, making

1333
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:38.359
<v Speaker 1>making those friendships again. William J returned him. That's the

1334
01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:41.079
<v Speaker 1>only question, you know, we can go one way or another.

1335
01:15:41.119 --> 01:15:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I still think there is another movie out there where

1336
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.119
<v Speaker 1>they're not getting back together yet, and we maybe bring

1337
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Gwynn Stacy into this other love interests. I don't I

1338
01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:56.319
<v Speaker 1>think we could see them get back together either by

1339
01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:58.159
<v Speaker 1>the end of the second movie or back with the

1340
01:15:58.199 --> 01:15:59.560
<v Speaker 1>third I could see that.

1341
01:16:00.279 --> 01:16:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could definitely see that as well. I don't

1342
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:07.079
<v Speaker 2>think they just dive right back into things just yet.

1343
01:16:07.119 --> 01:16:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I do think that there has to be a gradual

1344
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:11.720
<v Speaker 2>build of Okay, the memories are coming back, but they

1345
01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:14.399
<v Speaker 2>also have these memories of the last four years of

1346
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.359
<v Speaker 2>living their lives and doing their things, Like how do

1347
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:20.199
<v Speaker 2>you navigate all of that? And then we reached that

1348
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:23.640
<v Speaker 2>eventuality point yep, and.

1349
01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So we do get a post credits scene, no mid credits,

1350
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:31.960
<v Speaker 1>just post credits only, and it's looking at Ned's Spider

1351
01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Tracker reveals that Peter Parker is currently in Queens. However,

1352
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it picks up a new Spider Man sighting in an

1353
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.239
<v Speaker 1>unknown location. Now the camera pans up to show Earth

1354
01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.079
<v Speaker 1>and shifts in outer space after a glitch on the screen.

1355
01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:47.359
<v Speaker 1>You know, too bad, it's not at home. I could

1356
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:50.640
<v Speaker 1>pause by Clit's see if there's anything there and Spider

1357
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:55.399
<v Speaker 1>that Spider Man's location is found somewhere out in the cosmos. So,

1358
01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:03.159
<v Speaker 1>but here's the thing, that's Spider emblem does not leave Queens.

1359
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.560
<v Speaker 1>A new Spider Man, it said, a new Spider Man

1360
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:12.000
<v Speaker 1>has entered you know, has been detected. So is this

1361
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.239
<v Speaker 1>wall crawler on battle World, or has Doctor Doom kidnapped

1362
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.319
<v Speaker 1>a hero and left them in an alien planet. I

1363
01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.920
<v Speaker 1>don't believe he ere there of those. As I said,

1364
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:23.039
<v Speaker 1>pay close attention starts. You notice the constellations never change

1365
01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:27.159
<v Speaker 1>at best. A Spider Man is somewhere in beyond the moon,

1366
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense if Peter has somehow been transported to

1367
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:34.159
<v Speaker 1>a spacecraft that will keep him safe during the final incursion.

1368
01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Another possibility that is that the incursions are about to

1369
01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:42.039
<v Speaker 1>rock the multiverse with those worlds inhabited by Peter two

1370
01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:46.479
<v Speaker 1>or Peter three, alongside entering the atmosphere with a possible

1371
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:50.399
<v Speaker 1>collision of Earth sixty one six. It's also been rumored

1372
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.479
<v Speaker 1>that Doomsday will have a Spider Man in it. It

1373
01:17:54.560 --> 01:17:57.399
<v Speaker 1>is not Tom Hollins. If you don't want to if

1374
01:17:57.399 --> 01:17:59.159
<v Speaker 1>you don't want to know who this is, skip ahead

1375
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:04.640
<v Speaker 1>about thirty seconds three two one. My theory is it's

1376
01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:08.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna it's Toby maguire. You will this new It is

1377
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:12.800
<v Speaker 1>not Andrew yet, it's Toby McGuire Spider Man.

1378
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:15.520
<v Speaker 2>If that is the route that they're taking, because I

1379
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:18.119
<v Speaker 2>do have a different thought process, but if that is

1380
01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the route that they are taking, then yes, I think

1381
01:18:19.920 --> 01:18:23.479
<v Speaker 2>that they go with Toby because also in the sisel

1382
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:26.199
<v Speaker 2>Real that they had at Comic Con they showed some

1383
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.760
<v Speaker 2>old footage to Toby as well, So I think that

1384
01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:31.199
<v Speaker 2>that is where they head.

1385
01:18:31.359 --> 01:18:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because like I said, that Spider Avatar never vanishes

1386
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:40.319
<v Speaker 1>from Earth, so picks up a new spider signal elsewhere.

1387
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:44.119
<v Speaker 2>To that point, though, if you look at an earlier scene,

1388
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:48.600
<v Speaker 2>there are multiple dots as though a lot of people

1389
01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:52.800
<v Speaker 2>are picking where where they say Spider Man is, so

1390
01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:56.359
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't always immediately disappear. There is the one where

1391
01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:01.880
<v Speaker 2>where attracts his projected thing, because that's what a punisher

1392
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:03.840
<v Speaker 2>was looking at when he said I have eyes everywhere.

1393
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:10.039
<v Speaker 2>But this does lead to listener questions from Brent on.

1394
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:14.720
<v Speaker 1>That, so Brent.

1395
01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Asked the question because this is a Spidery Tracker where

1396
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:19.560
<v Speaker 2>people who have the app report where they have seen

1397
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man, which current MCU character notified the Spidy Tracer

1398
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.119
<v Speaker 2>from space that Spider Man was there.

1399
01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Uh, that'll be Red Guardian, That's.

1400
01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:36.119
<v Speaker 2>What I say. That is exactly what I said. I

1401
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 2>told him. I said I could see it being Red

1402
01:19:39.520 --> 01:19:42.439
<v Speaker 2>Guardian because he seems like the person who would be

1403
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:46.399
<v Speaker 2>sitting there as everyone's having this super huge important meeting

1404
01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:48.920
<v Speaker 2>of the minds and all these heroes. He's pulling out

1405
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:53.600
<v Speaker 2>his phone to notify the Spidy Tracer. He said, Uh,

1406
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Yolena could have done it, because she seems like the

1407
01:19:56.279 --> 01:20:01.079
<v Speaker 2>type who would just do it, just because I did

1408
01:20:01.119 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 2>say Red Guardian for that, because he seems like the

1409
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.880
<v Speaker 2>most likely to be Like, what I it, that's what

1410
01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:09.199
<v Speaker 2>the app's for. Spider Man's here. So I told the

1411
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.520
<v Speaker 2>app that's Spider Man's here. Yeah.

1412
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Uh, but yeah, all in all, you know, let's kind

1413
01:20:16.159 --> 01:20:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of give our ratings out of ten. As always, David,

1414
01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:22.439
<v Speaker 1>you go first, all right now?

1415
01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:27.039
<v Speaker 2>For me, it is an eight point five out of ten.

1416
01:20:27.800 --> 01:20:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, I'm gonna go with You know, this is

1417
01:20:33.640 --> 01:20:41.760
<v Speaker 1>by far the most personal, like from from where Spider

1418
01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Man typically is in comics. You know, a street level

1419
01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:48.279
<v Speaker 1>hero without you know, down a is like somehow, but somehow,

1420
01:20:48.319 --> 01:20:50.560
<v Speaker 1>having all this amazing technology with no explanation of how

1421
01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.279
<v Speaker 1>he's making money affording anythings, like but still eating out

1422
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:55.479
<v Speaker 1>of a bodega, but it can afford all this stuff.

1423
01:20:55.479 --> 01:20:57.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, again, one of these days we're gonna get

1424
01:20:57.439 --> 01:20:59.159
<v Speaker 1>a inswer to that I want. Brandon Davis next time

1425
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you talk to Kevin, I need you to ask these questions.

1426
01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:04.399
<v Speaker 1>Horriwiszt asked these questions. You know, these are the hard

1427
01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:07.399
<v Speaker 1>hitting questions that I expect Kevin Faigi to give a

1428
01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:11.840
<v Speaker 1>very boring and unsatisfying answer. But the question needs to

1429
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:18.159
<v Speaker 1>be asked. But I will you know this is I

1430
01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:23.439
<v Speaker 1>think Frank Castle character did a great job to show

1431
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.920
<v Speaker 1>a reason to it. I think it, yes, it does.

1432
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.079
<v Speaker 1>It shows that you can have a PG thirteen Punisher,

1433
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:32.479
<v Speaker 1>But I think you cannot have I do not believe

1434
01:21:32.520 --> 01:21:36.399
<v Speaker 1>you can really have a true Punisher as a solo

1435
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:39.640
<v Speaker 1>standing PG theater. And I think that I I think

1436
01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:45.000
<v Speaker 1>a PG thirteen Punisher is with an ensemble, a single,

1437
01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a solo movie. I just think that that's very tough

1438
01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to for me as a Punisher fan. That's a tough

1439
01:21:52.600 --> 01:21:56.079
<v Speaker 1>pill to swallow of a whole solo movie with him

1440
01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:59.760
<v Speaker 1>just gonna doing a PG thirteen round. But all in all,

1441
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.279
<v Speaker 1>I think he did a great job as Peter as

1442
01:22:02.319 --> 01:22:05.760
<v Speaker 1>his journey of understanding like you can't do this alone.

1443
01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:12.079
<v Speaker 1>You cannot be your your alter ego forever and expect

1444
01:22:12.119 --> 01:22:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to have any short of I mean, that's the whole

1445
01:22:13.600 --> 01:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>thing the Iraqted taking over. It's like, well, if you're

1446
01:22:15.479 --> 01:22:17.600
<v Speaker 1>just going to give up being Peter Parker, you don't

1447
01:22:17.640 --> 01:22:20.319
<v Speaker 1>need anything, and I can I can take over. That

1448
01:22:20.439 --> 01:22:22.640
<v Speaker 1>was that whole idea. But I would love him to

1449
01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:25.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of, now that he's in control of both, to

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01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.239
<v Speaker 1>do that. So I will you know, you say eight

1451
01:22:27.239 --> 01:22:32.239
<v Speaker 1>point five, I'll say right now, in eight. I know

1452
01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:34.079
<v Speaker 1>you've seen it twice, so I only get to see

1453
01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:37.199
<v Speaker 1>it usually once before these reviews. I'll say it at

1454
01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:41.800
<v Speaker 1>eight right now, And so it leads us to right now,

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01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:43.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not ready to put it in the rankings of

1456
01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:46.439
<v Speaker 1>my MCU, but I'm ready to talk about, like right

1457
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:51.640
<v Speaker 1>now currently where it stands in the MCU no excuse me,

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01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:54.279
<v Speaker 1>the Spider Man movies as a whole. So are you

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01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:55.960
<v Speaker 1>ready to kind of talk more about that or if

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01:22:56.000 --> 01:22:57.399
<v Speaker 1>you you know where it's going to rank in your

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01:22:57.479 --> 01:22:59.680
<v Speaker 1>MCU films, you can do. I'm not ready to say it.

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01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure where it rings in my MCUs yet.

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01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>For my live action Spider Man's it's still a toss

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01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:11.439
<v Speaker 2>up of if it is the number one overall. I

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01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:13.760
<v Speaker 2>do feel like it is the number one of the

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01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Toby's but I'm not sure I can put it o sorry,

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01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the it's the number one of the Tom Holland ones.

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01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not quite sure I can put it over Spider

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01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:27.439
<v Speaker 2>Man two from Toby just yet. I may have to

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01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:31.880
<v Speaker 2>sit on that one for a little bit. Now. My

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01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:36.840
<v Speaker 2>my favorite of all is into the Spider Verse, So

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01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:41.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if if we're at accounting for that, then

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01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't top that one as well. That one just

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01:23:44.199 --> 01:23:48.239
<v Speaker 2>gave me so much pure joy that I can still

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01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:50.239
<v Speaker 2>rewatch that one to this day. But as for the

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01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:55.119
<v Speaker 2>live actions, it could it could overtake the number one spot.

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01:23:55.239 --> 01:24:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say that as a As a

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01:24:01.399 --> 01:24:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I just saw this reaction, I think that I'm gonna

1479
01:24:04.279 --> 01:24:06.239
<v Speaker 2>have to sit on that. But I do feel like

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01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>it is just such a good and fun movie that

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01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:11.000
<v Speaker 2>yeah it can.

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01:24:12.479 --> 01:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know if I'm I can. I wasn't

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01:24:14.840 --> 01:24:16.960
<v Speaker 1>prepared to rank it against all Spider movies, but with

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01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:23.279
<v Speaker 1>the MC Tom Hollands again, only seeing it once, I say,

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01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:27.479
<v Speaker 1>right now it's out of live action Spider Man movies

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01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>with Tom Holland's particularly. Just focus on that one. I'll

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01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>say right now it is solidly and number two. No

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01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>way home. I mean people. I think there's just people

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01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:46.199
<v Speaker 1>that either you know, were sucked up in the moment

1490
01:24:46.199 --> 01:24:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and say, oh, I was that is good. I think

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01:24:47.760 --> 01:24:51.560
<v Speaker 1>the reason that I still hold No Way Home is

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01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>just a step above this movie right now is there's

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01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot of stuff that come home to roost for

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01:25:01.199 --> 01:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Peter in different ways, and it's more than does nostalgia

1495
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:09.199
<v Speaker 1>bait with the cameos, because it helps Peter kind of

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01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:12.199
<v Speaker 1>understand what he needs to do in order to be

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01:25:12.560 --> 01:25:16.680
<v Speaker 1>a great Spider Man, and I think that this movie

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01:25:16.760 --> 01:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>shows what he has learned from it. I just don't

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01:25:22.039 --> 01:25:25.439
<v Speaker 1>know if I'm ready to say that it's it's it's

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01:25:25.680 --> 01:25:28.199
<v Speaker 1>all all the it beats No Way Home right now.

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01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:33.399
<v Speaker 1>It could it's close, but I think right now I'm

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01:25:33.399 --> 01:25:37.479
<v Speaker 1>comfortable with it being number two, followed by Homecoming and

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01:25:37.520 --> 01:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>then Far From Home, which I think for right now,

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01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Far From will always remain at the bottom of the

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01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Holland list for me.

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01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I would not argue with anyone's assessment of that.

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01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Like if you were to tell me that this was

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01:25:54.039 --> 01:25:58.039
<v Speaker 2>one and that's two or vice versa. I either way

1509
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:00.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, you know what, you're valid in a

1510
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:04.159
<v Speaker 2>because to me, they're very close and they're both amazing.

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01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:06.520
<v Speaker 1>What I do love about this is that it does

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01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:11.239
<v Speaker 1>set up our next trilogy for this, It resets the board,

1513
01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>It acknowledges the path what he has to deal with,

1514
01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:21.039
<v Speaker 1>and I'm looking forward to seeing posts Secret Wars where

1515
01:26:21.039 --> 01:26:24.840
<v Speaker 1>we get with Spider Man next and seeing the lesson

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01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>they learned. And I think maybe once we see once

1517
01:26:27.119 --> 01:26:29.439
<v Speaker 1>I kind of see where we go next with Peter

1518
01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>in this and where he's headed to, that may be

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01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:35.920
<v Speaker 1>a time for me to reassess also the movie and

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01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:37.680
<v Speaker 1>see like, Okay, where does it stand now that I

1521
01:26:37.720 --> 01:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>see kind of the progression of where they're headed as

1522
01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:43.399
<v Speaker 1>like the impact this has, but a great beginning of

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01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the next trilogy for holland Spider Man. Definitely go out

1524
01:26:47.199 --> 01:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>and see it. It is well worth it. You know.

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01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>David and I bol saw it in our respective Dolby visions.

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01:26:53.840 --> 01:26:56.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think what they're deeming the Infinity Vision

1527
01:26:56.239 --> 01:27:01.239
<v Speaker 1>before an Infinity vision just large format screening. So yeah,

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01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.239
<v Speaker 1>it was a great time. Highly recommend it. Go see it.

1529
01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:08.159
<v Speaker 1>You're never going to be disappointed. But yeah, so that

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01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>is all we got for our review. Spider and Brand

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01:27:11.800 --> 01:27:15.600
<v Speaker 1>New Day. So bringing Volume three hundred and seven to

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01:27:15.760 --> 01:27:21.479
<v Speaker 1>a close. So David, tell people how they can follow you.

1533
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:24.600
<v Speaker 2>You can follow me on all socials at the Phantom.

1534
01:27:24.640 --> 01:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>You can follow me here on the gig Verse network

1535
01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:29.520
<v Speaker 2>as part of our wrestling show The Gimmick, where we

1536
01:27:29.560 --> 01:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>will be coming to this weekend with some previews and

1537
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:37.720
<v Speaker 2>then review of SummerSlam, which is this weekend, so we

1538
01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:41.359
<v Speaker 2>will be talking about it. We'll talk about aw redemption

1539
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>that happened last week. We'll give our thoughts heading into SummerSlam,

1540
01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:47.600
<v Speaker 2>and then after the two day event, we will come

1541
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:50.199
<v Speaker 2>back with our thoughts on that. So if you're a

1542
01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:53.239
<v Speaker 2>wrestling fan, look out for that this weekend. Other than that, yeah,

1543
01:27:53.279 --> 01:27:55.479
<v Speaker 2>like I said, you can follow me on all socials

1544
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:56.199
<v Speaker 2>at the Phantom.

1545
01:27:56.760 --> 01:27:59.279
<v Speaker 1>All right, check that out. You can follow me and

1546
01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>all the socials at Chris Balga. Remember next week we'll

1547
01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:09.760
<v Speaker 1>be breaking down episode seven and eight next week of

1548
01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>X Men ninety seven, So this week's episode and then

1549
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:16.439
<v Speaker 1>next week's episode the penultimate episode of the season, so

1550
01:28:17.159 --> 01:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>be on the lookout. First, it's gonna be childkips, some

1551
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>of them. See exactly how Big Spider Man's worldwide opening

1552
01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:26.159
<v Speaker 1>is going to be. We've got figures going all over

1553
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:29.399
<v Speaker 1>the place. So we're very curious to see Sunday afternoon

1554
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>into Monday morning to see where the actuals lie. So

1555
01:28:34.199 --> 01:28:36.439
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, check me out on all socials at Chris Balga.

1556
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>You can follow this podcast on Twitter at Marvel a Podcast.

1557
01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You can email the show at Marvel Alliance Podcast at

1558
01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:45.399
<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. You can follow the Geegle twin lines

1559
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to Nenwork on Twitter at you waypod Network. Feel free

1560
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:50.319
<v Speaker 1>to tweet email if you want to vide feedback DM

1561
01:28:50.359 --> 01:28:53.600
<v Speaker 1>throw open across the board. Continue to rate and review

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01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:59.159
<v Speaker 1>the Marvel Lion soulo feed on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon, Mies,

1563
01:28:59.199 --> 01:29:02.239
<v Speaker 1>wherever you get your pod cash. We greatly appreciate it. Well, well,

1564
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.319
<v Speaker 1>thank you all for listening. Thank y'all live in the chat.

1565
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Stay safe out there, everyone understand the man would say,

1566
01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:16.760
<v Speaker 1>with great power comes great responsibility. All right, David post

1567
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>credits discussion. It looks to me we don't have a

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01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>happy topicast kind of more shocking as this is kind

1569
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:23.199
<v Speaker 1>of like still a few hours old.

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01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, more shocking. This actually came out like right before

1571
01:29:27.479 --> 01:29:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I went on for my second viewing of Spider Man,

1572
01:29:30.720 --> 01:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Deadline reporting that Wonder Man has been canceled, even though

1573
01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:40.199
<v Speaker 2>it was previously announced that they were renewed for season two.

1574
01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Disney Plus has reverse course and has decided to cancel

1575
01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:52.319
<v Speaker 2>that season, with Yaya Abdul Mattina second, who stars as

1576
01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:55.399
<v Speaker 2>Simon Williams, saying in a statement that he's glad he

1577
01:29:55.479 --> 01:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>got to be a part of something cool. He thanked

1578
01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the fans for the genuine love. And you know that

1579
01:30:03.119 --> 01:30:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Worch is dropped that you know, wonder Man won't be

1580
01:30:06.279 --> 01:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>coming back for season two, So you know it it sucks.

1581
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I very much enjoyed the show, and I think it

1582
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.359
<v Speaker 2>more sucks so that they rushed to make this announcement

1583
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:22.520
<v Speaker 2>that yeah, we're gonna do a season two, only for

1584
01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a couple of months later for it to be canceled.

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01:30:26.640 --> 01:30:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you yet these you know, I think we were

1586
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>first really shocked that was getting season two. You know,

1587
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:37.159
<v Speaker 1>even though critics really loved it, they started getting a

1588
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of buzz, they dropped it all at once. We

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01:30:41.039 --> 01:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>really again, it was one of the surprises of this

1590
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.399
<v Speaker 1>year for us, you know, not because we were one

1591
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:50.039
<v Speaker 1>of these people that said that, oh who asked for this?

1592
01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Were not those kind of but you know, it's it's

1593
01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>very interesting, Like I'm pulling.

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01:30:56.560 --> 01:31:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Up doing a team in the second. Even got an

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01:31:02.319 --> 01:31:09.399
<v Speaker 2>Emmy nod for yeah His at the Emmys. Yeah. So

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01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:13.199
<v Speaker 2>it It's just it's strange that they would announce it

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01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:16.880
<v Speaker 2>and then, you know, pull back within a matter of months.

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01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:21.399
<v Speaker 1>Well I mean you say that, but you know, I'm

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01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>pulling up deadline right now, just kind of seeing seeing

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01:31:26.399 --> 01:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>because they made a mention of something about, you know,

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01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:33.239
<v Speaker 1>the I think the writer's room had become had they

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01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>were together, but they hadn't produced anything. I don't think

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01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it was because of writer's block. I think what it

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01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:43.399
<v Speaker 1>comes down to in these in this situation is that

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01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>if again they're trying to figure out what what's the plan?

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01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.399
<v Speaker 1>As like you said, they have plans that go through

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01:31:54.399 --> 01:32:00.079
<v Speaker 1>twenty forty two. Wonder Man is still part of the

1608
01:32:00.119 --> 01:32:04.479
<v Speaker 1>era of We're gonna you know, pump out content? Was

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01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:07.439
<v Speaker 1>it a nice surprise? What is the breath of fresh air? Yes?

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01:32:09.159 --> 01:32:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Does this mean the end of Simon Williams as a

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01:32:11.399 --> 01:32:15.319
<v Speaker 1>character coming into play? I hope not. I think that,

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01:32:15.880 --> 01:32:17.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, is this the last we're going to see

1613
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:23.159
<v Speaker 1>at Trevor? I hope not. But I think where they're

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01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:27.239
<v Speaker 1>looking to go and trying to look at quote unquote

1615
01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:32.319
<v Speaker 1>quality over quantity. This is a quality show, but does

1616
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>it move the needle for view subscriptions things like that,

1617
01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:39.439
<v Speaker 1>because whether we like it or not, it is a business,

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01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:44.079
<v Speaker 1>and I'd be very surprised to see if this gets

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01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the traction. And then people will point out saying, well,

1620
01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Daredevil Born Again went down in ratings and things like that.

1621
01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:53.399
<v Speaker 1>That's true, but they still more confidence in the character

1622
01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:56.159
<v Speaker 1>than they do wonder Man. There's more brand recognition for

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01:32:56.239 --> 01:33:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Daredevil than there is wonder Man. Unfortunately. Yeah, and yet

1624
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>again another minority led show is out. So that's another

1625
01:33:09.760 --> 01:33:15.319
<v Speaker 1>problem they're having right now. Is Yes, I just said,

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01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>it's a business, but if it was critically acclaimed, what

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01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:22.760
<v Speaker 1>does it need to do? What do they need to

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01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:26.279
<v Speaker 1>do to put that out there and put more emphasis saying, like,

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01:33:26.359 --> 01:33:29.079
<v Speaker 1>we believe in this show. It had proven itself critically.

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01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>What excuse me? What can they do to keep going?

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01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:41.039
<v Speaker 1>You know? Yeah, even if it doesn't like move the

1632
01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:45.000
<v Speaker 1>needle forward, it's still a nice show to just watch.

1633
01:33:46.079 --> 01:33:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like I said, I'm sad that that is ending.

1634
01:33:50.199 --> 01:33:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm sad that it is another minority led show that's

1635
01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:59.760
<v Speaker 2>not going to be continuing forward, and I'm just hoping

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01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:03.199
<v Speaker 2>that app they can find a good use for the

1637
01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>character going forward. Yep.

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01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>So all right, so we'll see you for our breakdown

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01:34:08.560 --> 01:34:11.720
<v Speaker 1>of X Men ninety seven episode seven and eight and

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01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the box office fallout from a brand New Day.

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01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Well right now, so we're hoping that continues.

1642
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.640
<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, we will see you all next Thursday

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01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.079
<v Speaker 1>night nine, ten Eastern Standard time. We're back to our

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01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:28.000
<v Speaker 1>regular time. Thank you all for those of you who

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01:34:28.039 --> 01:34:30.439
<v Speaker 1>are watching and joining us late. For those of you

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01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>watching listening to the feeds tomorrow, have a great weekend ahead,

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01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:35.920
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you next week. Bye bye, Sarah.