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Speaker 1: All right back accidentally knocked over my Celsius so had
Speaker 1: to so detailing the chat. How you doing detail? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna be like less than a minute
Speaker 1: or two of just non spoilers and then we'll jump
Speaker 1: right into it. So but uh yeah X men ninety
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Speaker 1: And uh yeah s except what wonder Man. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: news was uh was unexpected despite it, so you know,
Speaker 1: who knows what's gonna happen for the future of that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so quickly high level thoughts of Spider Man
Speaker 1: brand new day. What did you think We'll make it
Speaker 1: quick because we got a lot of spoilers to break
Speaker 1: down tonight.
Speaker 2: I will say, out of the four Spider Man movies,
Speaker 2: this this might be and again this is coming immediately
Speaker 2: after my second viewing, this might be my favorite of
Speaker 2: the four. I loved No Way Home, but it was
Speaker 2: a love because of all the fans service and callbacks.
Speaker 2: But this just start to finish, was a great movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I went in with some high expectations for this,
Speaker 1: but also leveled expectation just because of you know, where
Speaker 1: we're at in the universe with Marvel, with Spider Man,
Speaker 1: with the characters. How is this going to play, especially
Speaker 1: with all the different uh oh, you know, supporting cast
Speaker 1: of mc U and it was I was impressed. I
Speaker 1: was very, very impressed in the fact that you're saying
Speaker 1: that it may be your new your new number one.
Speaker 1: That says a lot and I've heard a lot of
Speaker 1: people and I'm kind of toying with that idea. I
Speaker 1: still have some still some issues with this and some
Speaker 1: some questions about some choices that are made, but it
Speaker 1: is one of those where I really do think we've
Speaker 1: gotten back to the roots of what makes Spider Man
Speaker 1: a great character and Peter Parker of who he is
Speaker 1: and uh that so details asked? And do I need
Speaker 1: to stay for the post credits? Yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: post credit sequence.
Speaker 2: Always stay for the post credits.
Speaker 1: There's there's Now do you need to stay? That's a
Speaker 1: subjective opinion, and I'll just leave it at that. Is
Speaker 1: it Is it going to be earth shattering?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Could you easily look it up on your phone as
Speaker 1: the first credit roll and get the gist of it
Speaker 1: if you need to go to the bathroom really quick, yes,
Speaker 1: detail you can. There is a post credit scene, but
Speaker 1: that's in the eye of the beholder whether it was
Speaker 1: really worth it or not. I'll save my thoughts for
Speaker 1: the end on that one. But that that's that's at
Speaker 1: least my non spoiler idea to help you out. So
Speaker 1: all right, so those are our non sport of thoughts.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we've got a lot to break down tonight,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna take our first quick ad break. So
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Speaker 1: all right, And we are back. So we both got
Speaker 1: to see this the Wednesday night Amazon Prime early showing.
Speaker 1: My theater was full. I'm pretty sure your theater was
Speaker 1: about the same. Yep, yeah, packed house, packed house at
Speaker 1: that point. So you know, the movie starts off as
Speaker 1: I said, this is spoiler time we're gonna break it
Speaker 1: all down. You know, some things will spend a little
Speaker 1: more time on than others. But but yeah, we're here
Speaker 1: for it. So Peter's life after the events and No
Speaker 1: Way Home. We get some very interesting villain montage and
Speaker 1: some disappointing especially with some of the casting of it.
Speaker 1: You know, we get him fighting Boomerang Scorpion, who eventually
Speaker 1: does come back in the film. I think we get
Speaker 1: Hammerhead Tarantula, a very interesting portrayal hammer and I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was hammerheard or not, but it was
Speaker 1: definitely someone with a kind of a metal head slamming
Speaker 1: himself into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I saw the the actor post that
Speaker 2: he was playing a character named Ramrod.
Speaker 1: Okay, that was even even worse name.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was I was disappointed because I was
Speaker 2: really excited about Tombstone once that casting was announced, and
Speaker 2: we did not get much of that as well. So
Speaker 2: while the montage was cool, I do feel like it
Speaker 2: Eric could have been a little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But and then there was like you said, Tombstone, Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean we we You and I went back and
Speaker 1: forth on theories for that, and right around when we
Speaker 1: got through the second trailer. I was like, we haven't
Speaker 1: featured Tombstone at all. I don't think this is what's
Speaker 1: going to be anywhere close to an involvement as I
Speaker 1: was thinking or hoping.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So slight, slight disappointment, but you know, they they
Speaker 2: used it to set up the fact that, you know,
Speaker 2: he has been active. There is a four year jump
Speaker 2: here where it starts off with him, you know, watching
Speaker 2: a video of them as they're entering college, and then
Speaker 2: as each year progresses and Ned grows a bad goatee
Speaker 2: and they get to their senior year. This is showing
Speaker 2: Spider Man still active. He's still you know, doing his thing.
Speaker 2: He's also cultivating a relationship with the police, a good
Speaker 2: relationship with the police, to the fact that him and
Speaker 2: a Captain de Wolf are cell phone buddies, Like they're
Speaker 2: at the point where they can call each other and
Speaker 2: talk about various things. So it does go to show
Speaker 2: the evolution of Spider Man and that he has been
Speaker 2: keeping his head down and just focusing on his mission
Speaker 2: to be Spider.
Speaker 1: Man and especially you know pulling. You know, Captain Gene
Speaker 1: de Wolf is a character from the comics that Spider
Speaker 1: Man does have a very good relationship with it. But
Speaker 1: I was I love the actress who plays her. I
Speaker 1: think the times that she does come in for you know,
Speaker 1: interacting either on the phone or face to face with
Speaker 1: Peter Parker, there's there's good chemistry with that. You could
Speaker 1: you it is. We're not talking about a romantic chemistry,
Speaker 1: you know, get your heads out together, everyone, but we're
Speaker 1: talking about like ones where we can say, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you can tell this has been cultivated in the years
Speaker 1: between No Way Home and this in Brand New Day, Yes,
Speaker 1: so go ahead.
Speaker 2: That they do a good job with the way that
Speaker 2: they play back and forth about it, with establishing with
Speaker 2: very few words, just through their actions and their interactions
Speaker 2: that they have some sort of established history working together.
Speaker 1: And you know, one of the things I noticed, and
Speaker 1: you see it at the end of the film, but
Speaker 1: you see it like throughout the pop the population of
Speaker 1: New York City is really fully behind Peter Parker, which
Speaker 1: we really haven't seen in this kind of way, like
Speaker 1: most of New York is on Peter's side, even when
Speaker 1: Peter makes a kind of a big screw up that
Speaker 1: could have gone and could have been like people turning
Speaker 1: against him. Like through and through most of the New
Speaker 1: Yorkers are behind Spider.
Speaker 2: Man, which is a big departure from the last film
Speaker 2: where half of New York was yelling eno, mysterial was
Speaker 2: right to him and he was getting pelted with paint
Speaker 2: in the streets.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who you know, times have change, and no j
Speaker 1: Jon mc janelson cameo in this. So but you know,
Speaker 1: we we then get to after kind of establishing Peter
Speaker 1: and where he is. But one of the thing unch
Speaker 1: I want to say, and I brought this up jokingly
Speaker 1: when we saw the trailers and sequences from this. In
Speaker 1: the trailers, his apartment, even when he goes from one
Speaker 1: apartment to like the rooftop one like one, how's he
Speaker 1: affording the apartment space itself? Two? How is he affording
Speaker 1: this equipment?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: It is completely unacknowledged. I know, it's like, why are
Speaker 1: we focusing on this? Talk about the here So no, no,
Speaker 1: there's always some explanation of something like, oh, I've got
Speaker 1: a side job, I've got a side hustle and things
Speaker 1: like that. There is no acknowledgment of Peter earning anything
Speaker 1: to to justify this.
Speaker 2: Now now have impersonal appearances or something as Spider Man
Speaker 2: to make some money on the side, Like what is
Speaker 2: he doing because in the comic books we at least
Speaker 2: know like at one point he's taking pictures through the bugle.
Speaker 2: He's a teacher, Like he has a job. He may
Speaker 2: not succeed at his job because of his role as
Speaker 2: Spider Man, but he at least has a job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the only thing, the only thing I could
Speaker 1: come up with maybe is if may had you know,
Speaker 1: you know, insurance because of her death that but it
Speaker 1: would have been just a passive mentioning of it. And
Speaker 1: uh and I know a lot of the big theme
Speaker 1: for this, and we're going to talk about this is
Speaker 1: like Peter having absolutely no life outside of Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Like really he may maybe walking around as Peter Parker,
Speaker 1: he is not doing anything with Peter Parker, and so
Speaker 1: Peter Parker is just wait for him to get around
Speaker 1: and do what he needs to do in order to
Speaker 1: get back to being Spider Man. I mean, for a
Speaker 1: crime a lot he has on his phone whenever a
Speaker 1: crime goes off, he's getting ready to go jump into action.
Speaker 1: He has no life because he has gotten into his
Speaker 1: head that if he gets close to anyone he's gonna hurt.
Speaker 1: That it's gonna lead to hurt or possibly death. So
Speaker 1: I mean, I get that's the film, but like that's
Speaker 1: the one thing is like, man, could we have said
Speaker 1: something about it is an ear shattering No, but it
Speaker 1: was bothering me at point, especially with the again smart guy,
Speaker 1: he needs to afford equipment. Anyways, I'll move off of
Speaker 1: that hill. The tank chase sequence. This is the first
Speaker 1: major action set piece in the first act of Spider
Speaker 1: and Brand New Dude, and apparently this was the first
Speaker 1: sequence filmed for the movie, according to Daniel Destin Creton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was the scene that a lot of aerial
Speaker 2: shots got leaked off, and you know, you saw a
Speaker 2: lot of the stunt practices for but no, this was
Speaker 2: a fun scene. I mean it. This definitely reminded me
Speaker 2: a lot of the Spider Man PlayStation games where at
Speaker 2: points where he's getting close to the tank, I'm like,
Speaker 2: just get close enough in press triangle. But some of
Speaker 2: the maneuvers that he was using to take down the
Speaker 2: tank reminded me a lot of the chase scenes from
Speaker 2: the games and how that they would play out. But
Speaker 2: I think that this was very well shot for live
Speaker 2: action and then having his Spidy since come on and
Speaker 2: then we get our first showing of the Punisher pulling
Speaker 2: up to join the fray.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw that this. Basically most of the sequence
Speaker 1: was shown in the trailers, so nothing new outside of
Speaker 1: maybe some additional dialogue that was having between both of them.
Speaker 1: But we get the idea that Spider Man and Frank
Speaker 1: have had run in in the past, including this. They'll
Speaker 1: be revisited time and time again that Spider Man saved
Speaker 1: Frank's life, even though there's no details that are given.
Speaker 1: It's just one of those kind of you know, movie
Speaker 1: cliches where you kind of keep on going back to
Speaker 1: the same thing just to kind of get a haha moment,
Speaker 1: and you know, he he knows what Frank's gonna do.
Speaker 1: He's trying to kill what'sever in there. But as we know,
Speaker 1: Spider Man doesn't kill, at least on purpose, and just
Speaker 1: takes Frank out of the action and just is go
Speaker 1: and go home, stay out of this. I got this.
Speaker 1: This is not your fight. I'm taking care of this.
Speaker 1: You go do something else. And so you know, eventually
Speaker 1: he's able. Despite causing massive damage throughout the city, this
Speaker 1: tank has head into the Department of Damage Control and
Speaker 1: able and has gone to crash through. There's some maybe
Speaker 1: it's also the a a prison too where they're heading to.
Speaker 1: Is this part of damage control? And so scorpions being
Speaker 1: processed in and you know is basically when Spider Man
Speaker 1: breaks in to try to see who's exactly in there,
Speaker 1: it's an older woman and she's kind of smirking, laughing,
Speaker 1: saying some things that are very strange. And then you
Speaker 1: see kind of this effect where the woman loses consciousness
Speaker 1: for like a second and then says what am I
Speaker 1: doing here? And then another The guard then takes on
Speaker 1: that personnel and he starts seeing you hear with the
Speaker 1: sound effects like an entity is jumping from person to
Speaker 1: person to person and trying to escape in that sense,
Speaker 1: but it's not the entity it needs to The entity
Speaker 1: is trying to get to do something in what we
Speaker 1: later find out is that entity is trying to get
Speaker 1: to Scorpion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this entity jumps from person to person. Now,
Speaker 2: this is one little nitpicky thing that I have, and
Speaker 2: it's a movie cliche nitpickiness. When it jumped to the
Speaker 2: guy in the safety vest and he's running away, why
Speaker 2: does he stop to look back and smirk before continuing
Speaker 2: running that is like, hey, Spider Man, it's me. I'm
Speaker 2: the one who's possessed. I don't know why that annoys me,
Speaker 2: but it's just such a nitpicky thing that annoys me.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this interity jumps from person in person till
Speaker 2: it reaches the top level security guard who tells them
Speaker 2: to redirect the helicopter that was supposed to be taking
Speaker 2: Scorpion to his new lock up, the maximum Security and
Speaker 2: then tells him to go to a different helipad instead. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was this was I think this was where I
Speaker 2: kind of got a little clunky in my opinion. This
Speaker 2: the you know, trying to under I mean again, we
Speaker 2: don't understand what this entity is doing and what the
Speaker 2: idea is he trying to get Scorpion to someplace.
Speaker 1: What we later find out the idea is to take
Speaker 1: over Scorpion and be and use Scorpion to get to
Speaker 1: get somewhere. But you know, they are able to escape
Speaker 1: the guard that was taken over. It's like, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do this to you, Spider Man. He's like freaking out saying,
Speaker 1: I'm really this that wasn't me, and and Spider Man
Speaker 1: believes me, like I love you Spider, Yeah, I love
Speaker 1: you too. Go go go away, Go go to the hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But you know when Captain de Wolf tells him like
Speaker 1: this is like the third or fourth attack on the
Speaker 1: D D O C that you know, there's some sort
Speaker 1: of pattern here where they really can't see it outside
Speaker 1: of the it's they're being they're being they're being targeted.
Speaker 1: And so Peter says, well, I'm gonna go talk to
Speaker 1: someone who might have some insight into this, and he
Speaker 1: goes to this kind of weird CD place We're not
Speaker 1: sure what it is, and it turns out to be
Speaker 1: some sort of like sauna house. And who is gaking
Speaker 1: a dip? That she that is that is Peter's contact.
Speaker 2: Uh, so we we we get uh Elena, which was
Speaker 2: a huge shock to all of us, like that. There
Speaker 2: are other parts that were spoiled, you know, through trailers
Speaker 2: and other things. This one caught me complete surprise out
Speaker 2: there when I was able to avoid it, I was
Speaker 2: luckily able to avoid it. And so when he walked
Speaker 2: into the bathouse and it's Ilena, I popped in my seat,
Speaker 2: uh each time. And she is just again she's full
Speaker 2: of Jolena. So she goes to ask her for her
Speaker 2: help and her thoughts on things, and she looks at
Speaker 2: him and says, you know what, this seems very small potatoes.
Speaker 2: And you guys handle the small potatoes. I'm on the
Speaker 2: New Avengers and we handle the big potato stuff. So
Speaker 2: this is you. You got this?
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, she gives like little hints of things,
Speaker 1: like things that just find out I will say this
Speaker 1: that I understand, like Yolena has a kind of a
Speaker 1: gimmick and a feeling of certain things. But this, this
Speaker 1: did not. This was one of my least favorite sequences
Speaker 1: here outside of the uh, you know, just her banter
Speaker 1: back and forth. The joke stopped being funny when she
Speaker 1: kept on saying the small potatoes. And he's like like, okay,
Speaker 1: we get you know. And Lena grew a lot in Thunderbolts,
Speaker 1: like this is back to Elena Black widow ish, like even.
Speaker 2: This is Hawkeye Elena.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but even Hawkeye Elena was more more Quippi
Speaker 1: to a smarter level than this.
Speaker 2: Which they do make a reference to Hawkeye Jolena later
Speaker 2: on in this movie. I caught it all my second viewing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I know what they were trying
Speaker 1: to do. But this seemed like if we're going to
Speaker 1: bring in someone like Elena or to have like a
Speaker 1: true cameo, because she only makes it, like you said,
Speaker 1: in one more of their appearance in this, let's make
Speaker 1: it worth it. Like they could have done something a
Speaker 1: little more different than this. Okay, get her in the
Speaker 1: bath house everyone likes. See. I mean, I'm a pew
Speaker 1: boy too, But this just this seemed very cheap. And
Speaker 1: this is this is one I was like, really, Daniel,
Speaker 1: Daniel Christen, I get been a better out of you
Speaker 1: when it comes to kind of a sequence like this,
Speaker 1: Like it didn't like take the whole movie down for me,
Speaker 1: but it was just like, eh, we could have done better,
Speaker 1: and if we were gonna do something like this, I
Speaker 1: expected better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but he gets a little bit of information, you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, we have the laughs and the jokes
Speaker 1: between like Peter not wanting to take off his mask
Speaker 1: and as he though you watching not watching live, David
Speaker 1: is still having the Spider Man mask on. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go as long as he can. We'll see how long
Speaker 1: we can make it. But so you know, again trying
Speaker 1: to get Peter to take off the mask and he's
Speaker 1: just skipped this, you know, getting down to everything but
Speaker 1: his mask, leaving it on. So we see how jacked
Speaker 1: Tom Holland is at that point. But he's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take that information. I'm gonna go to the
Speaker 1: Department of Damage Control headquarters, and this is where we
Speaker 1: meet William Metzger. William Metzger is played by Osteos actor
Speaker 1: Tremmell Tillman, who is big from What's What's Severe? I
Speaker 1: don't watch.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's in severance. He was played a naval captain
Speaker 2: in the Last Mission Impossible movie, so yes, he's a very.
Speaker 1: Good actors Impossible, so.
Speaker 2: Yes, so he he he plays this role very well.
Speaker 2: I didn't like when Peter enters Damage Control, they have
Speaker 2: him go through the scanner and it reads, you know,
Speaker 2: his heightened senses, his heightened abilities and strength, his DNA
Speaker 2: that's mixed with the IRAQ DNA, and then they're wanting
Speaker 2: him to take off his mask. He's like, I can't
Speaker 2: do that. I have a secret identity and they threaten
Speaker 2: to shoot him until Traumuell's character comes in and says
Speaker 2: that hey, he's he's cool. We're gonna go have this meeting,
Speaker 2: they go up, they talk, and that's when Spidy's trying
Speaker 2: to figure out what is what's the deal here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, they it seems to be that
Speaker 1: he and Metzger have a pretty good relationship or some
Speaker 1: sort of like het Metzger puts it puts a lot
Speaker 1: of trust into him, and he even mentions as they're
Speaker 1: walking through that, you know, one of the things we
Speaker 1: saw in the fighting sequence is that Spider Man took
Speaker 1: down the hand and now they're he said like, oh,
Speaker 1: he was wondering why they didn't walk around free. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I find ways to you know, yes, they may have
Speaker 1: been wayward, but I found ways to convert them, and
Speaker 1: so I'm going to use use them to help our
Speaker 1: help our cause. So why not let him see the light?
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I mean I get that, but
Speaker 1: already I was like saying, I still don't trust this guy,
Speaker 1: especially what it can turn to. And yeah, Metzger about
Speaker 1: this whole idea of what Vmax is, because that's what
Speaker 1: apparently this entity is searching for, and you know, has
Speaker 1: no idea of what this is. And you know, there's
Speaker 1: this very all very interesting, like safe right outside his
Speaker 1: office as being guarded. It's it's really weird, and it's
Speaker 1: just like, okay, this is definitely kind of you know
Speaker 1: again cliche foreshadowing was like, okay, we're going to come
Speaker 1: back here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was huge foreshadowing. The lingering passing shot of
Speaker 2: Spidey walking in front of this giant vault that's outside
Speaker 2: of Messager's office.
Speaker 1: Yep, and so they as easily you know, we we
Speaker 1: flash to you know him and then he sees he's
Speaker 1: at the what is it the convenience store of bodega
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's.
Speaker 2: He's at his local bodega that he goes to every
Speaker 2: week in order to pick up fresh flowers for Aunt
Speaker 2: May's grave. And while he's there, he's got his flowers,
Speaker 2: he's having a little bike.
Speaker 1: To eat for this sorry, paying for this.
Speaker 2: In walks ned to pick up too many kegs for
Speaker 2: their party and to attempt badly to flirt with the
Speaker 2: ladys encounter of the bodega and get two shots of
Speaker 2: energy drinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly what was it? All sounds like it's like
Speaker 1: a drug or something for him. Yeah, but yeah, he
Speaker 1: follows him and it's to their I guess the apartment
Speaker 1: that he and MJ share and you know, he wanders
Speaker 1: through carrying the flowers, being all creepy and looks at
Speaker 1: the wall that apparently is Ned trying to figure out
Speaker 1: who Spider Man is. And that's where Ned comes out, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're admiring my wall. This is how I think it is.
Speaker 1: And it's like the teacher and Flash Thompson are his
Speaker 1: two most likely suspects for it is. And it's just
Speaker 1: like a you're not you're not anywhere close. But he
Speaker 1: has a good conversation with m J. And it's a
Speaker 1: good awkward conversation. And you know, it's odd that I
Speaker 1: brought it to Flowers and no but a friendly neighbor
Speaker 1: because he's saying like he's a neighbor that lives lives
Speaker 1: around them, and you know, we meet, you know, he
Speaker 1: sees her with our new boyfriend, who is you know,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Ammon as Fondi, who plays Edge of Bridger
Speaker 1: in both the voice and live action. That's about all
Speaker 1: we really see of him, Like, we don't see him
Speaker 1: much more.
Speaker 2: If I thought that he was going to be a
Speaker 2: bigger part of this, and.
Speaker 1: He basically became just like seeing scen Hery at that point,
Speaker 1: say you want to be in a spider movie. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: why not? But when he sees that her what basically
Speaker 1: tad like looks like she's moving on, she's really forgotten
Speaker 1: about me, can't hand handle it. He leaves, runs off
Speaker 1: back to his place. He starts having starts seeing he's
Speaker 1: like that going through like basically looks like a panic attack.
Speaker 1: He falls down, blacks out, and wakes up in a
Speaker 1: cocoon of webs, and you know this is we haven't
Speaker 1: gotten to this in the compook club with the other
Speaker 1: but there is a sequence where he does cocoon himself,
Speaker 1: but as he falls out, he realizes he has an
Speaker 1: organic webbing and he's got no other clothes on but
Speaker 1: his but his underwear, and so as he falls down,
Speaker 1: webs himself up and gets out of there, gives back
Speaker 1: up to an awkward laundry room and elevator sequence where
Speaker 1: he's wearing women's clothing. But you know, to each their own,
Speaker 1: that's what you could get.
Speaker 2: So I thought the cocoon scene, what was pretty cool
Speaker 2: that it did lean a little heavy on this cgr
Speaker 2: for me, But I mean, what can you do with
Speaker 2: the scene of him falling out of the cocoon and
Speaker 2: hitting off the railing. But yeah, now he's realizing something
Speaker 2: is going on with him. He goes back up and
Speaker 2: he's trying to check himself with EV his AI system
Speaker 2: that he's using, and it's sensing the high IRAQ levels
Speaker 2: also since in his high stress levels and things like that.
Speaker 2: He tries to put his webshooters back on and the
Speaker 2: organic webs kick it right back off, to which EV says, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can't do both at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which makes sense to me. You can't. If you're
Speaker 1: trying to do the organic webshooters are gonna be more powerful.
Speaker 1: But at that point he gets a tip that the
Speaker 1: A Do doc siety is being attacked by scorpion, so
Speaker 1: he tries to swing in the action. He's not doing
Speaker 1: too well without he has doesn't really understand how to
Speaker 1: control his organic webbing. Ye, I did like go ahead.
Speaker 2: I did like the line when he's really he's trying
Speaker 2: to get the organic webbing to work, and he says, I,
Speaker 2: I know this can work. Peter two had it and
Speaker 2: he was cool, so this should work.
Speaker 1: You get references to the other Peters at that point,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it works for Peter two. And he's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how that works. But when he gets into action,
Speaker 1: he starts fighting Scorpion, and he realizes this isn't Scorpion,
Speaker 1: this is again the entity that has taken over, and
Speaker 1: you know, the entity makes reference to when they first met,
Speaker 1: like he the entity can't get into his mind and
Speaker 1: he also Scorpions last. The entity calls him out saying,
Speaker 1: you still can't sense me, like in the sense of
Speaker 1: like his It's somehow the entity has been able to
Speaker 1: disrupt his spider sense, so he's not as much. He
Speaker 1: can anticipate things, but not to the extent that he
Speaker 1: used to. But he gets so frustrated with it that
Speaker 1: basically his racknid you know, ability to start really taking over.
Speaker 1: He goes to Black Eyes and he just goes as
Speaker 1: we're saying, Reddy Blake, he goes Cape mode and just
Speaker 1: goes and let's cuts loose, you know, takes down Scorpion
Speaker 1: really fast, but inadvertently uh us you know, Dingers a
Speaker 1: police officer that's in the car that he uses as
Speaker 1: a weapon and really injures it, which you know, once
Speaker 1: he takes down Scorpion, he comes out of it. He's like,
Speaker 1: oh my God, what did I do? And Captain Wolf
Speaker 1: there said you need to go now because if this
Speaker 1: were to happen again, I can't protect you anymore. He says,
Speaker 1: I believe you that I know is an accident, but
Speaker 1: if you you got to get out of here. And
Speaker 1: this is where I was wondering, like and not. You
Speaker 1: know again, he's brought a lot of good will for
Speaker 1: all these years, but you know again, New Yorkers are
Speaker 1: a fickleed beast. People are fickle beasts when it comes
Speaker 1: to supers. I'm really surprised that that didn't That was
Speaker 1: all we got of like his consequences from that, Like
Speaker 1: we get it with an accident, but like there was
Speaker 1: no more public There was not even an ounce of public.
Speaker 2: Backlash, especially since the people standing around during this moment
Speaker 2: record that there were witnesses. So I was shocked that
Speaker 2: that wasn't more of a big deal, or that the
Speaker 2: cops who were there, yes, they were there to arrest Scorpion,
Speaker 2: but that some of them didn't keep their guns trained
Speaker 2: on the spider Man as well.
Speaker 1: So but he he he let he venture he escapes
Speaker 1: at that point, goes off and say escape, but he
Speaker 1: eventually get takes the Wolf's advice and leaves and uh,
Speaker 1: that's where we'll close out the first act. So we'll
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Speaker 1: three two one, we'll be right back, and we are
Speaker 1: back and the mask has come off. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's David shucker Pun intended. Well, when when they were
Speaker 1: going through We've got to mention when they were going
Speaker 1: through the Department of Damage Control headquarters, we did see
Speaker 1: them experimenting and looking at you know, shockers, shockers, and
Speaker 1: you know, Metico is making points say well, you know,
Speaker 1: we need to use these weapons for our best sake
Speaker 1: and turn them to the good guys. That way we
Speaker 1: can fight the bad guys, which again makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense, but never in comic book, Lord
Speaker 2: never works out in their favor.
Speaker 1: Yep. So all right, why don't you lead us off
Speaker 1: for how we entered it back too?
Speaker 2: All right, So we've got Peter arriving at Empire State
Speaker 2: University and he arrives to the lecture of doctor Bruce Banner,
Speaker 2: so he goes up to him after his lecture, and
Speaker 2: he asked him about his unit that he has on
Speaker 2: his hand that is made to suppress the Hulk. And
Speaker 2: at this point, Spider Man is showing that he is
Speaker 2: a true scientist through and through, like he completely understands
Speaker 2: everything that's going on, how it's suppressing the genome and
Speaker 2: how and at which stage is doing it. And Banner's
Speaker 2: very much impressed. So he's continuing to have this conversation
Speaker 2: with him as Peter's asking him, theoretically, could you do
Speaker 2: that with someone else? Could you do that with with
Speaker 2: a different genome, with a different trait that has been
Speaker 2: taken over from there? And they start talking about this
Speaker 2: possibility of a universal inhibitor, to which Banner says that,
Speaker 2: you know, while theoretically it's possible having a universal inhibitor
Speaker 2: that can take away any powers, does tow a moral
Speaker 2: line and gives Peter something to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially when going back to when he's doing the lecture,
Speaker 1: you see some guy dressed up as the Hulk, and
Speaker 1: you see that Banner has to do with this whole
Speaker 1: idea of like Okay, we get to ask one or
Speaker 1: two Avengers questions at this point and have fun to
Speaker 1: appease the masses. So he's dealing with this. But but
Speaker 1: like you even proposed this idea, I believe in fact
Speaker 1: or fiction that you know, these this idea of an
Speaker 1: inhibitor that even before we knew, you know, Spider Man
Speaker 1: was going to develop like the you know, he calls
Speaker 1: it out on the trail like that, you know, see
Speaker 1: me without this, you know, go running? You know this
Speaker 1: The the amount of time they spent on this idea
Speaker 1: of the inhibitor and the universal inhibitor, and like the
Speaker 1: whole point of getting it on eventually on this entity.
Speaker 1: You know, there is that. But you know, before that
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention when oh, never mind, I'm getting
Speaker 1: ahead of myself. I was saying, what a minute, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're not there yet. This whole idea of suppressing powers
Speaker 1: sometimes permanently with the device on. It's like saying, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going for the mutant inhibitor collars, which I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I was waiting for the d dooc to kind of
Speaker 1: take when he does develop this later onto the film,
Speaker 1: and then it gets damaged suff like that I expected
Speaker 1: someone to like just pick it up and use it.
Speaker 1: So I think there was no hints towards that we
Speaker 1: know it's coming. But I was really surprised they squandered
Speaker 1: that opportunity to have someone like kind of take that,
Speaker 1: saying hmm, we saw was trying to do.
Speaker 2: Because it was in their possession at one point. And
Speaker 2: again we'll get to that later. I am surprised that
Speaker 2: we did not hear some characters say, hey take this
Speaker 2: and study it, or hey take this and reverse engineering.
Speaker 1: Just send Osborne. I hear he's a really good scientist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so he puts that idea of what he
Speaker 1: needs to do, and you know, Banner makes you know,
Speaker 1: one of my students, are you I never get old.
Speaker 1: So Peter does try to create his own inhibitor Trip
Speaker 1: not much says during the test runs, they they they last,
Speaker 1: They work for a little bit, and then the IRAQ
Speaker 1: and the DNA RNA overpowers them and he eventually, you know,
Speaker 1: it breaks down in the streets and then he sees
Speaker 1: this random person come up to him and you know,
Speaker 1: it has that kind of cadence saying, eh, you know,
Speaker 1: see you're uh, you're trying to still find me a
Speaker 1: Spider Man and you have, and the entity basically starts
Speaker 1: dropping some hints at it knows more about who he
Speaker 1: is and knows who he is, and that they know
Speaker 1: a lot more in the fact that the person who
Speaker 1: is the entity is in his apartment and calls out
Speaker 1: that saying, Hey, you know, maybe I should pay MJ
Speaker 1: a visit and that's better not and uh, Spider Man
Speaker 1: is gonna go play a race with this entity, and yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us about like this, this race to uh beat
Speaker 1: the entity to MJ.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so the is in his apartment, it's reading
Speaker 2: the note and at that point says it's going after MJ.
Speaker 2: And it starts bouncing from person to person with no
Speaker 2: care or regard for the people's lives that it is
Speaker 2: bouncing into, which is going to lead me to a
Speaker 2: theory that I have a little bit later. But Peter
Speaker 2: starts chasing it, and he's asking EV to track the
Speaker 2: movements of the people that it's being jumped into, so
Speaker 2: he's falling the jumps along, crashes a wedding reception that
Speaker 2: this entity has jumped into as well, and then tracks
Speaker 2: it all the way to a guy going up in
Speaker 2: a helicopter that Peter then stops and he says, hey,
Speaker 2: I figured it out. You can only jump up to
Speaker 2: thirty three feet. I've got you up here. There's no
Speaker 2: one else around. I like to see you get MJ.
Speaker 2: Now to that point, A don't trash talk the person
Speaker 2: and be my my theory, I can't prove it, but
Speaker 2: my theory is that with the way that this entity
Speaker 2: disregarded life earlier, I think that the helicopter pilot jumped
Speaker 2: and then this entity jumped into somebody else before it
Speaker 2: hit the ground.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could. I could easily see that as well.
Speaker 1: So didn't see a body, didn't see a person after
Speaker 1: Nobody cares at that point. So Peter does make it
Speaker 1: to MJ's apartment and just kind of like panic. He's saying,
Speaker 1: I know you don't know who I am, but you
Speaker 1: know I'm Spider Man. Someone's trying to go after you.
Speaker 1: I need you need to come with me in order
Speaker 1: to be safe, and I just needed to trust me.
Speaker 1: And she's like okay, and you know, we get a
Speaker 1: nice little you know, swinging sequence, and you know she's scared,
Speaker 1: but he's like, no, I'm not gonna drop you. And
Speaker 1: then he feels. He gets to a point where he said,
Speaker 1: are I'm gonna sit down here? And m J just
Speaker 1: kind of just kind of goes after him and just
Speaker 1: saying like, you know, what can why can't you tell
Speaker 1: me what's going on? And then she says, you know,
Speaker 1: I just have this feeling like I know you, Like
Speaker 1: you're someone I know, like every you know, I know
Speaker 1: Spider Man was there, you know in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Who's there in my you know, the whole night Monkey
Speaker 1: episode and things like that, Like I have a feeling
Speaker 1: like I know who you are.
Speaker 2: It's like once or twice is a coincidence, but it's
Speaker 2: been more than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so they get close and she kind of
Speaker 1: pulls up the mess and goes in for a kiss
Speaker 1: and they make out for a little bit and then
Speaker 1: she says Peter and he's like, oh my god, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Can't believe you know, I've missed you so much.
Speaker 1: And at that moment, even in the theater, I was like,
Speaker 1: this isn't it. This is the entity, this is too,
Speaker 1: this is too even though I wanted to happen like
Speaker 1: I want it to happen, it's like, Nah, this isn't
Speaker 1: the way it's going and something's up here, and even
Speaker 1: Peter realizes when it Memjay starts saying certain things like
Speaker 1: how dare you do this? Like how absolutely dare you
Speaker 1: you know, take this and do this to her? And
Speaker 1: the entity just kind of grews around with it and
Speaker 1: then causes them Jay to jump off the roof and
Speaker 1: Peter has to go after and luckily saves her before
Speaker 1: she crashed into the pavement. And then a man comes
Speaker 1: up to Peter and kind of says, exactly what's what's
Speaker 1: kind of going on? And you know, he you know,
Speaker 1: we get our first look at Sadie Sink as the
Speaker 1: one controlling this entity.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I didn't like the fact that once
Speaker 2: he saved m J, you know, from the roof and
Speaker 2: they're lighting and the man walks up, he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm done, I'm done. Stop whatever. I will leave you alone.
Speaker 2: Just leave m J alone like that. That's you know,
Speaker 2: his love for her just shining through that. He's like,
Speaker 2: I will do whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Peter says he's going to take it to
Speaker 1: another safe place. Well before he leaves, like the man
Speaker 1: through whoever this person's controlling entity, says like you're trusting
Speaker 1: the Department of Defense. Department's gonna Department of Damage Control.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: They're not the good guys, like you see what they're doing,
Speaker 1: and they're not the good guys.
Speaker 2: Still looking for this this VMAX and you know it,
Speaker 2: Like I said, it was the scene between this guy
Speaker 2: talking through this Entities character, through Sadie Singh's character that
Speaker 2: we still don't fully know the name of yet and
Speaker 2: yes it is coming. So unless you are Stephen Lacy
Speaker 2: on a red carpet, you know, it was still a
Speaker 2: cigaret for the rest of us.
Speaker 1: I never watched that thing.
Speaker 2: I saw I did I did not, thankfully I did not.
Speaker 2: You know, again, we we all had our theories, but
Speaker 2: for someone to just outright spoillet like that, but you know,
Speaker 2: it was the cool scene. And then of course Spidery's
Speaker 2: his mass ev is, you know, cross checking who this
Speaker 2: person is and and trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's again it's the warning of it. And
Speaker 1: I know I've been I've been saying the acronym RUNG,
Speaker 1: I'm saying Department of Damage Group, but I've been saying
Speaker 1: the AFROC is d O d C, not d DO
Speaker 1: O c So it takes her to another safe place,
Speaker 1: and the safe place has a lot of booby traps
Speaker 1: on it and ends up being where Frank is hiding
Speaker 1: out at least one of his hiding spots on the
Speaker 1: in the shipyard. And you know, they had this again,
Speaker 1: this back and forth. They bring up Staten Island again,
Speaker 1: and again it's kind of like I think about the
Speaker 1: Ulaana thing. This is kind of where should have died,
Speaker 1: the whole Staten Island kind of thing, like I could
Speaker 1: I could say one more time when at the end
Speaker 1: I could, I could be okay with it. But this
Speaker 1: is like, okay, this is where the quick pess doesn't
Speaker 1: do it for me. It's it's more grown worthy for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when they when they started the little back and forth,
Speaker 2: I was like okay. And then they kept going and
Speaker 2: then you have MJ just standing there awkwardly as this
Speaker 2: mass of age Lante and then this grown ass man
Speaker 2: with a rifle who just tried to kill them with
Speaker 2: booby traps are sitting here arguing about Staten Island.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, like I said, I get it.
Speaker 1: You know, we're a little more overcritical sometimes of it.
Speaker 1: But it's just like, yah, you know again, it's okay.
Speaker 2: You know we still now for the next special presentation.
Speaker 2: I need to know what happened on Staten Island.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it'll be more of like what
Speaker 1: happened in Budapest, you know. Yeah, so they do. He
Speaker 1: takes them in and you know, Peter's got to figure out, like, well,
Speaker 1: how to solve this. The inhibitor why keeps on shorting out?
Speaker 1: But he's like, I gotta go this, this and this,
Speaker 1: and he said, what do you need to listen all
Speaker 1: the parts that I got it? I got it? I
Speaker 1: got it. It's like, how do you have this and
Speaker 1: jump without missing? And they doesn't miss bee sake, Well
Speaker 1: he feels bombs and she's like He's like, yeah, she
Speaker 1: got it. So yeah, so and this is a great
Speaker 1: you know, you know, we I referenced a lot of
Speaker 1: times a an episode of Marvel Lines and Brent and
Speaker 1: I did once like our top ten uh favorite non
Speaker 1: action sequences of MC of the MC, whether it be
Speaker 1: streaming or that, and this definitely could make either one
Speaker 1: of them, like her hit the conversation with m J
Speaker 1: and the conversation with Frank, but the conversation with m
Speaker 1: J is really interesting just because of like he's behind
Speaker 1: a curtain, unmasked, and she's not looking. I new, we
Speaker 1: know she wants to, but like they just had this
Speaker 1: conversation about this.
Speaker 2: Is sheer curtain. It's not like this was like heavy blackouts.
Speaker 2: This is a sheer curtain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not gonna take much, but you know, having
Speaker 1: this conversation about who he is, you know, what does
Speaker 1: he what does he do outside of this? And like
Speaker 1: it faces again in a mission like he has no life,
Speaker 1: Like he there is no Missus Spider Man, there's no
Speaker 1: anything for him. But and then he kind of tries
Speaker 1: to push back a little bit on hers, like you
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend, this, that and the other, and we
Speaker 1: kind of seem like, yeah, she's not really as into
Speaker 1: him as Peter thinks he she is. And it's MJ.
Speaker 1: Fitzs out with her biomedical and engineering knowledge that it's
Speaker 1: Peter's goggles that are too close to the inhibitor that
Speaker 1: are causing it issues, and after fixing it, she points
Speaker 1: out that the tech he's working on is enough to
Speaker 1: control the monster and that Peter doesn't seem to uh
Speaker 1: like like like the one to her, you know, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but yeah, what did you think of that whole discussion?
Speaker 2: So I liked everything from the moment that MJ walked
Speaker 2: into Frank's house, through their whole discussion about whether him
Speaker 2: being a monster, everything that Zindeia was doing in that moment,
Speaker 2: her back and forth with Frank to start where he's like,
Speaker 2: I got my one rule, don't touch my shit, don't
Speaker 2: move anything, don't do this, and she goes, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: three rules and they're little. Both of those two cynics
Speaker 2: having their moment was good, and in her conversation with
Speaker 2: him where she sheds the light that you know, her
Speaker 2: and her boyfriend aren't as close and loving as Peter
Speaker 2: assumed from them that glimpse that he saw them together.
Speaker 2: And then she gets her chance to really show off
Speaker 2: like ned's been the guy in chair. Peter has shown
Speaker 2: off his stuff. Now we get to see what led
Speaker 2: MJ into mit like she she is smart in her
Speaker 2: own right, and she is constantly proving her prowess in
Speaker 2: this and her figuring out, you know, the thing about
Speaker 2: the goggles and them having that moment there in the
Speaker 2: conversation she has about his DNA and how it's evolving
Speaker 2: and mutating and it being something and him saying that, hey,
Speaker 2: if you've seen how I've been over the last couple
Speaker 2: of days, you would think that I'm a monster. And
Speaker 2: she's like, well, i've seen you over the last couple
Speaker 2: of hours, and you don't seem like a monster me.
Speaker 2: You just seem like a man who's changing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh that eventually leads to uh, you know.
Speaker 1: The next day, Frank comes in and he says, us,
Speaker 1: you can't sleep tune and he's like no, but you know,
Speaker 1: makes coffee and he drinks it with his mask on,
Speaker 1: you know, up, you know, pulls up his mask so
Speaker 1: we can drink, and Frank just laughs out of saying
Speaker 1: you know what's going on? You know you can't really
Speaker 1: that's the whole point of secret to day Frank can't
Speaker 1: be me, I can't be you, and things like that,
Speaker 1: but you know, I wish I could be you and.
Speaker 2: Great Frank moment.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah no, and he's like, no, I don't want
Speaker 1: you don't want to be me? Does this look like
Speaker 1: they want to leave?
Speaker 2: This isn't a gift. This is a sentence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great quote, like, this isn't a gift,
Speaker 1: This is a sentence. You know. He He's like, you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity, you know, to get this girl like you,
Speaker 1: I'm not an idiot. I know that you have a
Speaker 1: thing for this girl and it goes just just beyond
Speaker 1: infatuation or anything like that. Like I am not what
Speaker 1: anyone should highlizs to be. We'vehouden Frank say that over
Speaker 1: and over again, and I don't think with this, like
Speaker 1: in this whole portrayal of Frank, like he's showing Peter
Speaker 1: like Peter is basically one or two steps away from
Speaker 1: becoming Frank because all his all his life right now
Speaker 1: is Spider Man. All Frank knows how to do is
Speaker 1: be the punisher, like he doesn't know how to be
Speaker 1: anything else, and he knows he's he's damned and that's
Speaker 1: why he is. His value for his own life, he
Speaker 1: has no value for his life. He'll value saving others,
Speaker 1: but he's alone. He has no real friends or ones
Speaker 1: that he considers to be friends. And he's basically warning
Speaker 1: Peter was like, dude, you know, don't don't do this.
Speaker 1: So yeah, but he's talked about the inhibitories created that
Speaker 1: would kill you know, we get like you said, you
Speaker 1: know this is Jean Gray. When they find out who
Speaker 1: who this person is, you know, it was it's been
Speaker 1: out there for a while, it was out there when
Speaker 1: she was first cast. And you know what, it didn't
Speaker 1: really ruin anything for me. One could say it was
Speaker 1: anticon bacted, but like hearing Jean Gray being in this
Speaker 1: is just like it was more like, okay, we're doing this,
Speaker 1: like it just makes it more real. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily anything was ruined. It's just like it's finally happened.
Speaker 1: We're heading to the X Men. You know, it felt
Speaker 1: it just felt like one of those this is happening,
Speaker 1: not like so crazy the office is happening, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're doing this.
Speaker 2: As this started to really come to fruish and and
Speaker 2: I thought more and more, okay that this is seeming
Speaker 2: like a lot to be Jean Gray, but everyone was
Speaker 2: still playing about it and everything else. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, is this gonna be like Batman Arkham Night,
Speaker 2: where it's it's not Jason does not Jason, Ed's Jason Todd.
Speaker 2: But the way that they did this where it's y
Speaker 2: it's Jing Gray, but it's it's Jean Gray, and we're
Speaker 2: we're giving you the first stepping stones to the future here,
Speaker 2: and and that makes me excited that this is the
Speaker 2: first stepping stones towards the future.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Peter heads out and you know, swinging and
Speaker 1: act when he hears there's attack on the Department of
Speaker 1: Damage Controls headquarters. And as he heads out, m J
Speaker 1: comes in and says, do you gotta go help him?
Speaker 1: And he's like yah like that, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: what about Staten Island.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he doesn't need my help. It's like, just
Speaker 2: like you didn't need his help on Staten Island.
Speaker 1: Yep, exactly. So we get this big the next major
Speaker 1: action sequence with this attack, you know, Gene has broken
Speaker 1: into Damage Control and was looking for Vmax on the computer.
Speaker 1: Now Bill Metzger and his staff are hiding in the
Speaker 1: room with the big protected vault that Peter pointed out earlier.
Speaker 1: Now again, is that all this was was a panic room.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It looked like old computers and some files and
Speaker 2: that canister with the triquilizer. Now I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: what you're protecting, this huge giant vault.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know it. It was like okay, but we.
Speaker 2: Hear the beating on the vault. As you know, she's
Speaker 2: saying like, hey, the doors may hold up, but the
Speaker 2: walls won't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he keeps hearing this beating as Peter's walking
Speaker 1: in hearing it thunder, and it's just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's got someone pretty strong doing this, and she's
Speaker 1: got none other than she's controlling Bruce Banner in this case,
Speaker 1: controlling him as smart hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And eventually he turns into Savage Hulk, and Peter and
Speaker 1: Savage oakle at it inside the headquarters until Frank comes
Speaker 1: in and fires. Basically, this is basically pouring bullets into
Speaker 1: into Hulk and having absolutely no effect.
Speaker 2: We get the Frank Castle scream as she the first time.
Speaker 2: Me and Brenn are sitting there and he does he's shooting.
Speaker 2: We are just both like Chancy, like yes, yes, you can't.
Speaker 1: Protect women green.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, we're getting some classic And so it
Speaker 2: was a fun, fun fight. It's it's not I know,
Speaker 2: I saw some people saying it's the best fight of
Speaker 2: the movie. I did not think it's the best fight
Speaker 2: of the movie. I think the best by the movie
Speaker 2: comes later. But it was a fun fight between Spider Man,
Speaker 2: the Hulk, and Punisher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just cool seeing it. But you can see
Speaker 1: like Frank and I'm kind of with it this this
Speaker 1: came off. I laughed. I didn't see it when it
Speaker 1: came out when they officially released it this past week
Speaker 1: that the sequence for Frank like kind of looks scared.
Speaker 1: It was like, and I saw there, I kind of
Speaker 1: I definitely laughed audibly because like, that's not Frank. Frank
Speaker 1: would Frank would more get angry at that point. Frank
Speaker 1: would scream like he's scared. But whatever that. You know.
Speaker 1: Then eventually the entity takes control of the Punisher, but
Speaker 1: because Savage Hulk has gone, you know, Savage Ulk, she
Speaker 1: didn't need to control him now to keep Peter occupied,
Speaker 1: and they eventually find out that the building he I
Speaker 1: mean again, that's what Daniel did. Daniel Critin does so well,
Speaker 1: is these action sequences and the choreography with them and
Speaker 1: even doing fighting within the air looks so good at
Speaker 1: certain points and other points like yeah, ceg's a little rough,
Speaker 1: but like the sequencing, the choreography, it looks really strong.
Speaker 1: But at one point, you know, we see when Sabato
Speaker 1: completely overpowers Spider Man, he pleads him saying it's me, Peter,
Speaker 1: And at that point Hulk seems to have a glimmer
Speaker 1: of recognition and stops his attack. Now Spider Man's trying
Speaker 1: to get the inhibitor on Hulk. He can't do it.
Speaker 1: Hulk's skin is just impenetrable, so he's unable to do it.
Speaker 1: But that moment, like he says, it's me, it's Peter.
Speaker 1: This is like, this is where he's saying, is it
Speaker 1: basically just Peter? In order to break this bell just
Speaker 1: has to say who he is around those who did
Speaker 1: know him, you know, because in the comics there was
Speaker 1: a whole thing where Peter's people had, you know, forgotten
Speaker 1: who Spider Man was and when, And we had talked
Speaker 1: about this too, was that what if Bruce doesn't remember
Speaker 1: who Peter is, but Hulk does, because in the comics,
Speaker 1: Hulk acknowledges Peter, and Peter's like, how do you know
Speaker 1: who I am? When I'm Spider Man? He's like, Hulks,
Speaker 1: you know, Hulk's really smart, banner stupid, you know, So
Speaker 1: it's a cool winking it not to those of the
Speaker 1: comics that know, like Hulk remembers, but the fact that
Speaker 1: him just acknowledging, Hey, I'm Peter. Is that really how
Speaker 1: he breaks out? We're gonna revisit that at the end
Speaker 1: of this movie. Yeah, so, but yeah, to continue on
Speaker 1: with the what's going on as Punisher is trying to
Speaker 1: break into this vault?
Speaker 2: All right, So Punisher, he's he's lining up.
Speaker 1: His let me tell you some red, Let me tell
Speaker 1: you Jean.
Speaker 2: He's line up is explosive, you know. They they they
Speaker 2: blow open the door and Jean Gray walks in there
Speaker 2: with with Punisher and she threatens him like, hey, you
Speaker 2: know you guys resist Punisher's gonna put a hole in
Speaker 2: your face and wants to know, like what, like, you
Speaker 2: know what I want? You know why I'm here? You know,
Speaker 2: just get me what I want. And at that point
Speaker 2: and yelling you know where she at that point.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm laughing right now because I remember where
Speaker 1: I was when I was in the theater last night.
Speaker 1: It was It's like, I want this to give me
Speaker 1: one a while. I get that, see the batista.
Speaker 2: Give me what I want.
Speaker 1: You know what I want? Give it to me, Hunter,
Speaker 1: give it to me, give me what I want.
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing as well. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: one's gonna get this a wrestling reference. But yes, that's
Speaker 2: exactly what I what I thought about calling back to
Speaker 2: WrestleMania thirty times like that's but so at this point,
Speaker 2: Spidey swoops in and attaches the Universal Inhibitor to the
Speaker 2: back of her neck and shoots the gun out of
Speaker 2: Punisher's hands, and so she once her powers are down,
Speaker 2: Bill shoots her with a tranquilizer. She starts to pass out.
Speaker 2: Spidy catches her. As she's passing out. She looks at
Speaker 2: him and just says the name Sarah and punish her
Speaker 2: clicks back, you know, back reality, like says you know,
Speaker 2: al has been with everyone else who's jumped. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: all right, something's going on, and he's like, is that
Speaker 2: my gun that's webbed to the wall. So they carry
Speaker 2: Jeane out of there, the Department of Damage Control Shaser
Speaker 2: in her possession. They're saying that they're going to take
Speaker 2: her somewhere safe so that she can get help and
Speaker 2: they can ask their questions. Spidey says he's got some
Speaker 2: questions for her as well. Bill says, yet, let's not
Speaker 2: push her too hard too soon, and then Spuddy asks
Speaker 2: Billy goes hey, you know, as she's going down, she
Speaker 2: said the name Sarah. Does that ring a bell? And
Speaker 2: Bill responds and says that when Jane first broke into
Speaker 2: the vault for a split second, he hopped into her
Speaker 2: mind and saw the image of an old coworker of
Speaker 2: his who recently passed, and he must have been thinking
Speaker 2: about her. And then that's why Gene has that name.
Speaker 2: And before sending Gene on her way and Peter.
Speaker 1: On his so and that is where we close out
Speaker 1: heck too. So you know, I definitely enjoyed, you know,
Speaker 1: the build up of like you know, Act one kind
Speaker 1: of set the table, but like ACTU really stepped it
Speaker 1: up in the action and kind of moving this step
Speaker 1: forward about where we're going and starts kind of really
Speaker 1: tackling the themes of what's going on in that. You know,
Speaker 1: Gene is truly not a villain in this movie. She
Speaker 1: she is an antagonist because she's looking for answers, and yes,
Speaker 1: we don't like her methods, but she's kind of like
Speaker 1: Frank in the sense of I'm gonna do whatever I
Speaker 1: need to do in order to get answers, and in
Speaker 1: this case, avenging my avenging my my sister yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: oh eventually find out sister so but anyways, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: right back and we are back, all right. So we
Speaker 1: are back at Frank's hiding spot, his little heighty hole,
Speaker 1: and MJ standing in the kitchen with the letter that
Speaker 1: Peter wrote to her four years prior, and she demands
Speaker 1: an explanation and finds it unfair that he would do
Speaker 1: that to her, like hide it from her, you know.
Speaker 1: He explains that after the Green Goblin killed Aunt May,
Speaker 1: he couldn't let anything bad happen to MJ. And Peter
Speaker 1: tells her that he still loves her and that he
Speaker 1: never stopped, but MJ tells him that doctor Strean spell
Speaker 1: might have really must have worked because she doesn't love
Speaker 1: him and doesn't even really know who he is. Basically
Speaker 1: tells him the kiss we had, I feel nothing, you know, gut.
Speaker 2: Punch, just straight gut punched Appeter, and then it gets
Speaker 2: worse because she walks out on him and then turns
Speaker 2: run and immediately comes back and goes, yeah, so I
Speaker 2: don't have a cell phone or anything else, so could
Speaker 2: you take me home? And he's like, uh, yes, sure,
Speaker 2: so he leans down, picks his mask up off the floor,
Speaker 2: and just has to swing her back home as disheveled
Speaker 2: as he is.
Speaker 1: Yep. So he takes her home and Peter and he's
Speaker 1: still in Spider Man costume. MJ and Net all hang
Speaker 1: out for the first time in the years, and when
Speaker 1: they have a second alone, Peter apologize for kissing MJ
Speaker 1: while Jean Gray was controlling her, but MJ says she
Speaker 1: doesn't remember anything, which is big key because that keeps
Speaker 1: how Spider Man. It's like, wait a minute, that means
Speaker 1: Bill lied about Sarah, and because he shouldn't remember anything
Speaker 1: like that, you know. So he uses nets computer to
Speaker 1: call up Elena, who is able to figure out that
Speaker 1: Sarah is Jeane's kidnapped sister. So go on, you had
Speaker 1: something you wanted to say, particularly about this sequence.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jolena's screen name is Macaroni fiend I noticed that
Speaker 2: on the second viewing her that her screen name is
Speaker 2: Macaroni Fen So shout out to those who've seen Hawkey,
Speaker 2: you will get the reference.
Speaker 1: But yes, why do you only have one spoon? That's
Speaker 1: so sad. So, realizing he's been wrong about Geane the
Speaker 1: entire time, he decides to go to Roosevelt Island, where
Speaker 1: she's being held by Bill and the d O d C.
Speaker 1: Now Roosevelt Island, David, do you know why Roosevelt is
Speaker 1: another big easter egg in Marvel film history.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think Roosevelt Island is where the skytram is,
Speaker 2: right that green Goblin through in the movies, MJ. But
Speaker 2: in the comic books Gwen Stacey off.
Speaker 1: Of Yeah, yeah, that's where ye you said for Spider
Speaker 1: removed during during the battle of Final Battle with Green Goblins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, there's a there's a tip of the hat
Speaker 1: to that as well. So we go inside save the
Speaker 1: children or save the girl exactly. And so we go
Speaker 1: inside the memory to when Sarah was being captured by
Speaker 1: UH by Bill and shortly after their mother abandons the
Speaker 1: sisters for being mutants. Bill tells Jane that she and
Speaker 1: Sarah had the power that could help a lot of
Speaker 1: people if placed in the right hand, and that it's
Speaker 1: essentially uh, not fair for a child to possess these powers.
Speaker 1: Before he goes to Gene, Frank Warren, so, yeah, before
Speaker 1: I get into that, like, so Bill trying to you know, again,
Speaker 1: use people for ulterior motives and again anything, we're using
Speaker 1: it for the good people. You know, you can't exist
Speaker 1: without us. It's just like, yeah, you are the real
Speaker 1: villains of this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they exposed that, yes, this is not you know,
Speaker 2: a break from all the other movies where the do
Speaker 2: O DC was you know, antagonists and now all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they're good. Nope, they're still bad. They are
Speaker 2: still bad people.
Speaker 1: Yep. And so Bill tells Gene that she and Sarah
Speaker 1: have the power to help a lot of people. And
Speaker 1: but it's just when he says that, I want to
Speaker 1: revisit that just saying like this is this is the
Speaker 1: beginning of the problem. Like they don't he doesn't believe like, oh,
Speaker 1: the a child should be a possess these powers. I
Speaker 1: should be able to control it or utilize it or
Speaker 1: extract it. It's just like, yeah, you're what's the beginning
Speaker 1: of the problem for the mutants at this point and
Speaker 1: just in general powered individuals. But before he goes to Gene,
Speaker 1: Frank Warren Spiderman about setting her free and plans to
Speaker 1: come and are to a system, Bill begins torturing Gene
Speaker 1: by way of tracking all of her jump patterns and
Speaker 1: seeing how many she can attempt in a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time. When Jeane looks up from the ceiling, she
Speaker 1: sees a vmax label on the vent, which really reads
Speaker 1: vent max vmax is the last thing Sarah is sent
Speaker 1: to Gene telepathically before she died, and so it's been
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. It was just her last memory to try
Speaker 1: to tell Jane where she was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and you know when she has that revelation as
Speaker 2: they're experimenting on her and trying to push her jump capabilities,
Speaker 2: and she looks up and sees that she just is overcome.
Speaker 2: Absolutely power surges just it unlocks more potential in her
Speaker 2: to where she just she says, you're a murderer. I
Speaker 2: know what you did. This is the room my sister died,
Speaker 2: and none of you are going anywhere as she sends
Speaker 2: out this massive burst of her that freezes everything in
Speaker 2: a radius of Roosevelt Island. Like you see people just
Speaker 2: stop in their tracks. They are just frozen. They are
Speaker 2: still conscious, they are still aware because we see Ned
Speaker 2: and MJ who are looking scared as they are frozen
Speaker 2: in their tracks. But everyone is just held on by
Speaker 2: this shockwave that Jane has sent out when she is
Speaker 2: full of these emotions.
Speaker 1: Yep. And so when Peter arrives, she freezes the Hand
Speaker 1: to make them fight Peter. And during the fight, Peter
Speaker 1: is wearing his inhibitor and is therefore using his homemade webshooters.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, the weapons that the Hand are
Speaker 1: using are based on Shakers arm technology, which we're designed
Speaker 1: to specifically to destroy Peter's artificial webbing. So when Peter's losing
Speaker 1: the fight, losing it badly, Gene's taunting him. He unmasks
Speaker 1: himself and cost up blood and revealing his black eyes.
Speaker 1: She can tells Spider Man that Sarah died in room
Speaker 1: because she was special. She said, we don't get to
Speaker 1: have a normal life, no friends or family. Those people
Speaker 1: are gone. That life is over. And she then asked
Speaker 1: Peter be honest with hilf are you Are you Peter
Speaker 1: Parker or Spider Man, and then Peter Snapediz and said
Speaker 1: I'm both got the fight. Yeah, then throwing hands.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The fight with him in the hand is probably
Speaker 2: my favorite from start to finish. The before I'll call
Speaker 2: it the before awakening and the after awakening aspects, both
Speaker 2: of them, all of it combined is cool because the
Speaker 2: hand they're they are moving in sequence to the part
Speaker 2: where they do that maneuver where they kind of like
Speaker 2: jump on each other's backs to get the high ground
Speaker 2: and stab down on him, and even though he's in danger,
Speaker 2: she's like, that is so incredibly cool. It's just the
Speaker 2: way that they were moving and sinking. Yet between the
Speaker 2: hand and the people who were in the Department of
Speaker 2: Damage Control, they have these specialized weapons that are made
Speaker 2: to disintegrate the webbing of Spider Man so he can't
Speaker 2: use it. And Jean's even taunting him with that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: you you thought these people on your site they've been
Speaker 2: organizing and preparing for any time that you were ever
Speaker 2: to get out of line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and that's what they're that's what they're really
Speaker 1: Damaged control is there for not just they're taking the criminals,
Speaker 1: the superpowered criminals, but just in case they're the ones, uh,
Speaker 1: you know punter non intended like going rogue, you know. So.
Speaker 1: But Peter does defeat the hands, but he pleades Gene
Speaker 1: not to kill Bill as it won't make it right
Speaker 1: or bring Sarah back as he breaks in and sees
Speaker 1: her basically like like ten glass yards surrounding his his head,
Speaker 1: and she trasts Peter, you know, in that weird frozen
Speaker 1: power aura and she allows him to enter his mind
Speaker 1: like for the first time. And Jane walks into the
Speaker 1: memory of Aunt May sitting down to the bed next
Speaker 1: to her, which is what we kind of seen small
Speaker 1: sequences of, and you know, Marissa Tomey returning for new sequences.
Speaker 1: You know, I did have that my big old card
Speaker 1: for this movie. And she said to says to Gene,
Speaker 1: because you're special, people can do dark, monstrous things to you.
Speaker 1: We love you not because you're special, but because of
Speaker 1: who you are, you know, May and Jean hug and
Speaker 1: Peter sits down into the bed next to Gene, saying,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about your sister. Just because we lost someone
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we have to do this alone. And she says,
Speaker 1: I have no one, and Peter says, you have me
Speaker 1: and you know what he has. That's when Vin Dizea
Speaker 1: walks into an aisles and you also got family, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Gotta throw that in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't, can't. You can't mess with family. So uh so,
Speaker 1: on a split second, he senses the bullet headed towards
Speaker 1: them and managed to pull Jane out of the way.
Speaker 1: Breaks are frozen, all this city, everything collapses around it.
Speaker 1: The city is freed. Uh Bill Metzger is freed from
Speaker 1: the the glass yards going into him, and but Peter
Speaker 1: is near fatally wounded, and Frank realizes, h O screw
Speaker 1: it up and gets gets Peter out of there, and
Speaker 1: you know, the news is like, you know, Peter, you
Speaker 1: know it's gonna be Spider Man is on his deathbed.
Speaker 1: He's seriously injured. He's got like a vigil outside his room,
Speaker 1: and but Gene is elsewhere during this time trying to
Speaker 1: wake up Peter's mind, and she finally does from his coma,
Speaker 1: and you know, Frank explains that Gene has been using
Speaker 1: her magic voodoo stuff to keep him alive. And he
Speaker 1: apologized said, I've been I've seen real bravery in my day,
Speaker 1: but that was something else. And I think this is
Speaker 1: the moment where you know, Frank's this and I was, God,
Speaker 1: we're not trying to change Frank massively, like Frank being
Speaker 1: open to having Spider Man tag along. Yeah, it's annoying
Speaker 1: to him, but he cares about the kid, especially when
Speaker 1: she says, I got a way to sneak out of here,
Speaker 1: and no one's going to be the wiser. But Peter's
Speaker 1: not trying to change Frank either, Like they both know
Speaker 1: exactly what they're doing, but they can coexist in a
Speaker 1: certain way as long as either one of them doesn't
Speaker 1: cross the line. And so that's why I think, you know,
Speaker 1: having Frank there in this movie as the new mentor,
Speaker 1: you know, not your typical mentor, because Peter again was
Speaker 1: in battling this whole movie with I am Spider Man.
Speaker 1: That is who I am, That is who I really am.
Speaker 1: That is my life. When it's not his life, he
Speaker 1: can't have a life with it. He can't live in
Speaker 1: constant fear of letting people get close to him because
Speaker 1: they might get hurt or possibly die. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: gets to walk out of the hospital while Frank is
Speaker 1: portraying Spider Man for the window with the fans, and
Speaker 1: you know, there's that one kid.
Speaker 2: Still doing the punisher yell while just as Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's one kid kind of sees Peter and
Speaker 1: go whip flip with his hands and signaling that he
Speaker 1: knows he Spider manner has this idea that he's doing that.
Speaker 1: But you know, we cut to Peter back at Franks
Speaker 1: watching the sunset, then cutting to mjsoning on Mintown High's
Speaker 1: rooftop watching the same sunset, but she's holding a necklace,
Speaker 1: not just any necklace, the vac Dahalia necklace that Peter
Speaker 1: gave to her and far from home, and there's kind
Speaker 1: of little smirk on on MJ's face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it was that does is she starting
Speaker 2: to remember now or is this a I'm coming around
Speaker 2: to the ideal of him type deal?
Speaker 1: So with that, you know, I'm with you. I don't
Speaker 1: really know. We gotta kind of see exactly what's going on.
Speaker 1: Jeane is on a bus headed to what appears to
Speaker 1: be upstate New York. Hm, upstate New York, you know,
Speaker 1: And I know there's a special school up there with
Speaker 1: a guy named Charles Xavier. Yeah, that a special place
Speaker 1: for gifted children exactly. So that's where we fans know
Speaker 1: what's going on. To the general audience, she's just getting
Speaker 1: on a bus and getting out of dodge. No, we
Speaker 1: purposely are seeing, like the way the tree lines, everything
Speaker 1: like that. That's upstate New York. My wife's originally from
Speaker 1: upstate New York, so I'm quite familiar with driving through
Speaker 1: that area. So yeah, so we get that small hint
Speaker 1: at where she's headed to, and we cut to him
Speaker 1: at this bodega again on his phone with the Wolf
Speaker 1: who tells him Bill has gone missing, and she also
Speaker 1: is encouraging him, you need to take a break, stay
Speaker 1: off the crime circuit for a little bit, or if
Speaker 1: you have to, don't be so involved with it. And
Speaker 1: you know, he remembers her kid's name, says to say
Speaker 1: hi to them. When Ned walks in, Peter introduces himself.
Speaker 1: Instead of saying anything else they do there, he starts
Speaker 1: doing the best hand friendship shake that he and Ned
Speaker 1: had in the past. Now Ned's very made because he's
Speaker 1: just doing it like a'm the memory that he didn't
Speaker 1: know he had, and he told him his name is Peter.
Speaker 1: After they do that whole hand sequence, he looks up
Speaker 1: at Peter and says, Peter credits, you know.
Speaker 2: To which Brent Uh brought up a very good point
Speaker 2: and we we haven't truly fact checked this, but this
Speaker 2: could be the first Spider Man movie that does not
Speaker 2: end on a swinging does not end on a swinging
Speaker 2: action sequence.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so let's yeah, let's see, we don't know
Speaker 1: him with the new costume.
Speaker 2: Ye Far Far from Home had him swinging with m
Speaker 2: J before the news revelation.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: The first one had him swinging at the end, like
Speaker 2: and even back in the other eras like this second
Speaker 2: Amazing had him swinging into the fight with Rhino and
Speaker 2: the doing that jumping swinging throwing the the manhole cover scene.
Speaker 2: So like they they've all ended with some type of
Speaker 2: swinging action sequence and this one just no Peter credits.
Speaker 1: Uh. If you're talking live action, it sounds like you
Speaker 1: got a what I call lovely ESPN Sports Center fact
Speaker 1: facts that are just okay, that's nice trivia, but absolutely
Speaker 1: it means nothing. But but if you're kind to be
Speaker 1: like any kind of like portrayal of movie wise, uh
Speaker 1: into the across the Spider verse also did not end
Speaker 1: in a web webbing kind of flying in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because all the people are already in position, and uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so but live action, yeah you might have
Speaker 1: you might have a good uh sports center fact there,
Speaker 1: you know, I was already brought up, you know with
Speaker 1: Hulk fight scene. He says, it's me suggested. Maybe MJ's
Speaker 1: they lying about having no memory of what she loved
Speaker 1: or just not as wanting to admit it to herself.
Speaker 1: Of like what who Like she kind of wants to
Speaker 1: understand who Peter is, So why else would she returned
Speaker 1: to the rooftop holding the necklace she she had no
Speaker 1: relection of room. So in the comics, it seems that
Speaker 1: Spider Man unmasking is revealing his identities, is simply telling
Speaker 1: them who he is. And Brand New Day ends on
Speaker 1: a very optimistic note. You know, Spider manlifitter again, making
Speaker 1: making those friendships again. William J returned him. That's the
Speaker 1: only question, you know, we can go one way or another.
Speaker 1: I still think there is another movie out there where
Speaker 1: they're not getting back together yet, and we maybe bring
Speaker 1: Gwynn Stacy into this other love interests. I don't I
Speaker 1: think we could see them get back together either by
Speaker 1: the end of the second movie or back with the
Speaker 1: third I could see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could definitely see that as well. I don't
Speaker 2: think they just dive right back into things just yet.
Speaker 2: I do think that there has to be a gradual
Speaker 2: build of Okay, the memories are coming back, but they
Speaker 2: also have these memories of the last four years of
Speaker 2: living their lives and doing their things, Like how do
Speaker 2: you navigate all of that? And then we reached that
Speaker 2: eventuality point yep, and.
Speaker 1: So we do get a post credits scene, no mid credits,
Speaker 1: just post credits only, and it's looking at Ned's Spider
Speaker 1: Tracker reveals that Peter Parker is currently in Queens. However,
Speaker 1: it picks up a new Spider Man sighting in an
Speaker 1: unknown location. Now the camera pans up to show Earth
Speaker 1: and shifts in outer space after a glitch on the screen.
Speaker 1: You know, too bad, it's not at home. I could
Speaker 1: pause by Clit's see if there's anything there and Spider
Speaker 1: that Spider Man's location is found somewhere out in the cosmos. So,
Speaker 1: but here's the thing, that's Spider emblem does not leave Queens.
Speaker 1: A new Spider Man, it said, a new Spider Man
Speaker 1: has entered you know, has been detected. So is this
Speaker 1: wall crawler on battle World, or has Doctor Doom kidnapped
Speaker 1: a hero and left them in an alien planet. I
Speaker 1: don't believe he ere there of those. As I said,
Speaker 1: pay close attention starts. You notice the constellations never change
Speaker 1: at best. A Spider Man is somewhere in beyond the moon,
Speaker 1: which makes sense if Peter has somehow been transported to
Speaker 1: a spacecraft that will keep him safe during the final incursion.
Speaker 1: Another possibility that is that the incursions are about to
Speaker 1: rock the multiverse with those worlds inhabited by Peter two
Speaker 1: or Peter three, alongside entering the atmosphere with a possible
Speaker 1: collision of Earth sixty one six. It's also been rumored
Speaker 1: that Doomsday will have a Spider Man in it. It
Speaker 1: is not Tom Hollins. If you don't want to if
Speaker 1: you don't want to know who this is, skip ahead
Speaker 1: about thirty seconds three two one. My theory is it's
Speaker 1: gonna it's Toby maguire. You will this new It is
Speaker 1: not Andrew yet, it's Toby McGuire Spider Man.
Speaker 2: If that is the route that they're taking, because I
Speaker 2: do have a different thought process, but if that is
Speaker 2: the route that they are taking, then yes, I think
Speaker 2: that they go with Toby because also in the sisel
Speaker 2: Real that they had at Comic Con they showed some
Speaker 2: old footage to Toby as well, So I think that
Speaker 2: that is where they head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like I said, that Spider Avatar never vanishes
Speaker 1: from Earth, so picks up a new spider signal elsewhere.
Speaker 2: To that point, though, if you look at an earlier scene,
Speaker 2: there are multiple dots as though a lot of people
Speaker 2: are picking where where they say Spider Man is, so
Speaker 2: it doesn't always immediately disappear. There is the one where
Speaker 2: where attracts his projected thing, because that's what a punisher
Speaker 2: was looking at when he said I have eyes everywhere.
Speaker 2: But this does lead to listener questions from Brent on.
Speaker 1: That, so Brent.
Speaker 2: Asked the question because this is a Spidery Tracker where
Speaker 2: people who have the app report where they have seen
Speaker 2: Spider Man, which current MCU character notified the Spidy Tracer
Speaker 2: from space that Spider Man was there.
Speaker 1: Uh, that'll be Red Guardian, That's.
Speaker 2: What I say. That is exactly what I said. I
Speaker 2: told him. I said I could see it being Red
Speaker 2: Guardian because he seems like the person who would be
Speaker 2: sitting there as everyone's having this super huge important meeting
Speaker 2: of the minds and all these heroes. He's pulling out
Speaker 2: his phone to notify the Spidy Tracer. He said, Uh,
Speaker 2: Yolena could have done it, because she seems like the
Speaker 2: type who would just do it, just because I did
Speaker 2: say Red Guardian for that, because he seems like the
Speaker 2: most likely to be Like, what I it, that's what
Speaker 2: the app's for. Spider Man's here. So I told the
Speaker 2: app that's Spider Man's here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, but yeah, all in all, you know, let's kind
Speaker 1: of give our ratings out of ten. As always, David,
Speaker 1: you go first, all right now?
Speaker 2: For me, it is an eight point five out of ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I'm gonna go with You know, this is
Speaker 1: by far the most personal, like from from where Spider
Speaker 1: Man typically is in comics. You know, a street level
Speaker 1: hero without you know, down a is like somehow, but somehow,
Speaker 1: having all this amazing technology with no explanation of how
Speaker 1: he's making money affording anythings, like but still eating out
Speaker 1: of a bodega, but it can afford all this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, again, one of these days we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a inswer to that I want. Brandon Davis next time
Speaker 1: you talk to Kevin, I need you to ask these questions.
Speaker 1: Horriwiszt asked these questions. You know, these are the hard
Speaker 1: hitting questions that I expect Kevin Faigi to give a
Speaker 1: very boring and unsatisfying answer. But the question needs to
Speaker 1: be asked. But I will you know this is I
Speaker 1: think Frank Castle character did a great job to show
Speaker 1: a reason to it. I think it, yes, it does.
Speaker 1: It shows that you can have a PG thirteen Punisher,
Speaker 1: But I think you cannot have I do not believe
Speaker 1: you can really have a true Punisher as a solo
Speaker 1: standing PG theater. And I think that I I think
Speaker 1: a PG thirteen Punisher is with an ensemble, a single,
Speaker 1: a solo movie. I just think that that's very tough
Speaker 1: to for me as a Punisher fan. That's a tough
Speaker 1: pill to swallow of a whole solo movie with him
Speaker 1: just gonna doing a PG thirteen round. But all in all,
Speaker 1: I think he did a great job as Peter as
Speaker 1: his journey of understanding like you can't do this alone.
Speaker 1: You cannot be your your alter ego forever and expect
Speaker 1: to have any short of I mean, that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing the Iraqted taking over. It's like, well, if you're
Speaker 1: just going to give up being Peter Parker, you don't
Speaker 1: need anything, and I can I can take over. That
Speaker 1: was that whole idea. But I would love him to
Speaker 1: kind of, now that he's in control of both, to
Speaker 1: do that. So I will you know, you say eight
Speaker 1: point five, I'll say right now, in eight. I know
Speaker 1: you've seen it twice, so I only get to see
Speaker 1: it usually once before these reviews. I'll say it at
Speaker 1: eight right now, And so it leads us to right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to put it in the rankings of
Speaker 1: my MCU, but I'm ready to talk about, like right
Speaker 1: now currently where it stands in the MCU no excuse me,
Speaker 1: the Spider Man movies as a whole. So are you
Speaker 1: ready to kind of talk more about that or if
Speaker 1: you you know where it's going to rank in your
Speaker 1: MCU films, you can do. I'm not ready to say it.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where it rings in my MCUs yet.
Speaker 2: For my live action Spider Man's it's still a toss
Speaker 2: up of if it is the number one overall. I
Speaker 2: do feel like it is the number one of the
Speaker 2: Toby's but I'm not sure I can put it o sorry,
Speaker 2: the it's the number one of the Tom Holland ones.
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure I can put it over Spider
Speaker 2: Man two from Toby just yet. I may have to
Speaker 2: sit on that one for a little bit. Now. My
Speaker 2: my favorite of all is into the Spider Verse, So
Speaker 2: I mean, if if we're at accounting for that, then
Speaker 2: it doesn't top that one as well. That one just
Speaker 2: gave me so much pure joy that I can still
Speaker 2: rewatch that one to this day. But as for the
Speaker 2: live actions, it could it could overtake the number one spot.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that as a As a
Speaker 2: I just saw this reaction, I think that I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have to sit on that. But I do feel like
Speaker 2: it is just such a good and fun movie that
Speaker 2: yeah it can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I'm I can. I wasn't
Speaker 1: prepared to rank it against all Spider movies, but with
Speaker 1: the MC Tom Hollands again, only seeing it once, I say,
Speaker 1: right now it's out of live action Spider Man movies
Speaker 1: with Tom Holland's particularly. Just focus on that one. I'll
Speaker 1: say right now it is solidly and number two. No
Speaker 1: way home. I mean people. I think there's just people
Speaker 1: that either you know, were sucked up in the moment
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I was that is good. I think
Speaker 1: the reason that I still hold No Way Home is
Speaker 1: just a step above this movie right now is there's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that come home to roost for
Speaker 1: Peter in different ways, and it's more than does nostalgia
Speaker 1: bait with the cameos, because it helps Peter kind of
Speaker 1: understand what he needs to do in order to be
Speaker 1: a great Spider Man, and I think that this movie
Speaker 1: shows what he has learned from it. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm ready to say that it's it's it's
Speaker 1: all all the it beats No Way Home right now.
Speaker 1: It could it's close, but I think right now I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable with it being number two, followed by Homecoming and
Speaker 1: then Far From Home, which I think for right now,
Speaker 1: Far From will always remain at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: Holland list for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would not argue with anyone's assessment of that.
Speaker 2: Like if you were to tell me that this was
Speaker 2: one and that's two or vice versa. I either way
Speaker 2: I'd be like, you know what, you're valid in a
Speaker 2: because to me, they're very close and they're both amazing.
Speaker 1: What I do love about this is that it does
Speaker 1: set up our next trilogy for this, It resets the board,
Speaker 1: It acknowledges the path what he has to deal with,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to seeing posts Secret Wars where
Speaker 1: we get with Spider Man next and seeing the lesson
Speaker 1: they learned. And I think maybe once we see once
Speaker 1: I kind of see where we go next with Peter
Speaker 1: in this and where he's headed to, that may be
Speaker 1: a time for me to reassess also the movie and
Speaker 1: see like, Okay, where does it stand now that I
Speaker 1: see kind of the progression of where they're headed as
Speaker 1: like the impact this has, but a great beginning of
Speaker 1: the next trilogy for holland Spider Man. Definitely go out
Speaker 1: and see it. It is well worth it. You know.
Speaker 1: David and I bol saw it in our respective Dolby visions.
Speaker 1: You know, I think what they're deeming the Infinity Vision
Speaker 1: before an Infinity vision just large format screening. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a great time. Highly recommend it. Go see it.
Speaker 1: You're never going to be disappointed. But yeah, so that
Speaker 1: is all we got for our review. Spider and Brand
Speaker 1: New Day. So bringing Volume three hundred and seven to
Speaker 1: a close. So David, tell people how they can follow you.
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Speaker 1: credits discussion. It looks to me we don't have a
Speaker 1: happy topicast kind of more shocking as this is kind
Speaker 1: of like still a few hours old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more shocking. This actually came out like right before
Speaker 2: I went on for my second viewing of Spider Man,
Speaker 2: Deadline reporting that Wonder Man has been canceled, even though
Speaker 2: it was previously announced that they were renewed for season two.
Speaker 2: Disney Plus has reverse course and has decided to cancel
Speaker 2: that season, with Yaya Abdul Mattina second, who stars as
Speaker 2: Simon Williams, saying in a statement that he's glad he
Speaker 2: got to be a part of something cool. He thanked
Speaker 2: the fans for the genuine love. And you know that
Speaker 2: Worch is dropped that you know, wonder Man won't be
Speaker 2: coming back for season two, So you know it it sucks.
Speaker 2: I very much enjoyed the show, and I think it
Speaker 2: more sucks so that they rushed to make this announcement
Speaker 2: that yeah, we're gonna do a season two, only for
Speaker 2: a couple of months later for it to be canceled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you yet these you know, I think we were
Speaker 1: first really shocked that was getting season two. You know,
Speaker 1: even though critics really loved it, they started getting a
Speaker 1: lot of buzz, they dropped it all at once. We
Speaker 1: really again, it was one of the surprises of this
Speaker 1: year for us, you know, not because we were one
Speaker 1: of these people that said that, oh who asked for this?
Speaker 1: Were not those kind of but you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: very interesting, Like I'm pulling.
Speaker 2: Up doing a team in the second. Even got an
Speaker 2: Emmy nod for yeah His at the Emmys. Yeah. So
Speaker 2: it It's just it's strange that they would announce it
Speaker 2: and then, you know, pull back within a matter of months.
Speaker 1: Well I mean you say that, but you know, I'm
Speaker 1: pulling up deadline right now, just kind of seeing seeing
Speaker 1: because they made a mention of something about, you know,
Speaker 1: the I think the writer's room had become had they
Speaker 1: were together, but they hadn't produced anything. I don't think
Speaker 1: it was because of writer's block. I think what it
Speaker 1: comes down to in these in this situation is that
Speaker 1: if again they're trying to figure out what what's the plan?
Speaker 1: As like you said, they have plans that go through
Speaker 1: twenty forty two. Wonder Man is still part of the
Speaker 1: era of We're gonna you know, pump out content? Was
Speaker 1: it a nice surprise? What is the breath of fresh air? Yes?
Speaker 1: Does this mean the end of Simon Williams as a
Speaker 1: character coming into play? I hope not. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, is this the last we're going to see
Speaker 1: at Trevor? I hope not. But I think where they're
Speaker 1: looking to go and trying to look at quote unquote
Speaker 1: quality over quantity. This is a quality show, but does
Speaker 1: it move the needle for view subscriptions things like that,
Speaker 1: because whether we like it or not, it is a business,
Speaker 1: and I'd be very surprised to see if this gets
Speaker 1: the traction. And then people will point out saying, well,
Speaker 1: Daredevil Born Again went down in ratings and things like that.
Speaker 1: That's true, but they still more confidence in the character
Speaker 1: than they do wonder Man. There's more brand recognition for
Speaker 1: Daredevil than there is wonder Man. Unfortunately. Yeah, and yet
Speaker 1: again another minority led show is out. So that's another
Speaker 1: problem they're having right now. Is Yes, I just said,
Speaker 1: it's a business, but if it was critically acclaimed, what
Speaker 1: does it need to do? What do they need to
Speaker 1: do to put that out there and put more emphasis saying, like,
Speaker 1: we believe in this show. It had proven itself critically.
Speaker 1: What excuse me? What can they do to keep going?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, even if it doesn't like move the
Speaker 1: needle forward, it's still a nice show to just watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, I'm sad that that is ending.
Speaker 2: I'm sad that it is another minority led show that's
Speaker 2: not going to be continuing forward, and I'm just hoping
Speaker 2: that app they can find a good use for the
Speaker 2: character going forward. Yep.
Speaker 1: So all right, so we'll see you for our breakdown
Speaker 1: of X Men ninety seven episode seven and eight and
Speaker 1: the box office fallout from a brand New Day.
Speaker 2: Well right now, so we're hoping that continues.
Speaker 1: All right. Well, we will see you all next Thursday
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