Speaker 1: Welcome to Squatching Holler.
Speaker 2: In the midst where the trees lean loom. Squatching Hollers
got a tail. The show wisps.
Speaker 3: Creep like a creature spained out.
Speaker 2: Every shadows got a secret to grow?
Speaker 4: Monsters rise Where the stories are too?
Speaker 5: Squatching hollow where the legends are born?
Speaker 2: Are they? Are they gone? Who can say?
Speaker 6: In the hollow of the truth, justifs huge footprints fade
where the creek runs them a lantern sways? Let the
search be in rustling leaves, But there's no one near?
Speaker 2: Is it the wind or the beast?
Speaker 7: You fear?
Speaker 2: Everywhere goes a question. Every Russell's a clue. Splatching hollis
got its eyes on you. Monsters nor stories are torn? Swatching?
How where the legends are born? Are they? Are they gone?
You can say?
Speaker 8: Then said, and out with your Squatching Holler. Hosts Roger Williams,
Amanda Stowers and Ashley Rams. Remember this podcast can be
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Speaker 2: And now the show.
Speaker 3: Hey everybody a long time no.
Speaker 6: Chair.
Speaker 9: This week we're back.
Speaker 3: How's it going? Yeah we're back. Yeah we yeah it
we uh we missed last week. We apologize, but stuff happens.
So that's our first one in forty forty one week.
So yeah, so.
Speaker 9: We're rocking and rolling. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, we thank everybody for being here. I want to
bring up something before we get going. I think loaded
it here. So in August, Uh, we will be at
the Tennessee wild Man Cryptocon Crypticon again. We will be
We'll have a table, Woodwalkers will be beside us, and
then Chad and Erica will be uh there with us.
They'll have their own table. And what's funny is we
met them uh I think it was two years ago
there and then they just kind of got accepted to
the family and uh we told stories and they were looking.
I think we overwhelmed them a little bit. But uh,
they're gonna be They're gonna be there, y'all. A lot
of people in Chad have been there. Uh it's a
really good it's a really good one. It's you know,
relaxed atmosphere. They have great speakers and there's all kinds
of different boosts set up you. Maybe you can find
you something you know that you like to purchase. I know, uh,
somebody you know about a wooden bigfoot. Last year I
don't know if you brought that good process too, but anyway,
hold on me. Well, yeah, for y'all, forgot how to
do a show? Okay, so took a week off.
Speaker 9: Done forgot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm like, how do I turn this
thing on? At least I didn't have a lot of
updates this time, which usually you know that happens. But tonight, y'all,
we have Miss Michelle Heaton and she's you know, we
we cover mainly east of the Mississippi, but we like
to have people from all over to share their experiences
and and Michelle, she was telling us backstage, Uh, she
travels to other states and goes on expeditions and all that,
and I was kind of jealous because I would love
to be able to do that and you know, stay
gone for a while and more about you know about
different he is. Let's go, let's get the squatching, all right.
So ah h, they're great. Thank y'all again for being here.
All right, Miss Michelle, how you doing?
Speaker 10: Hi, I'm good to hear are you guys doing.
Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
Speaker 10: Yes? Can you hear me.
Speaker 3: Doing good? Yeah? I think I think I'm lagging a
little bit. Five days I guess. Let me, let me
make sure we got everything we're supposed to be here,
all right. So Michelle, uh, you want to tell it
h our chat and people that will be listening a
little bit about yourself and I know you've got it.
Maybe several from Facebook. Just tell them where they can
find you at.
Speaker 10: Yeah, definitely. Hi. I'm Michelle Heaton. I'm the founder of
Sweet Home Sasquatch and that's where I reside. I live
in Sweet Home, Oregon. We're in central Oregon in the
Cascade Foothills, so my backyard are the beautiful Cascades. It's wonderful,
of course.
Speaker 9: I'm jealous incredibly squatching.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's well, it's a what do they call it,
a subtropical rainforest, so you know we get rain probably
like at least six months out of the year.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's really beautiful. And then I of course I
just started my other group as Girls Gone Squatching. That's
what I'm in chat right now, as Girls Gone Squatching.
So that was you.
Speaker 9: I pulled up a second again.
Speaker 10: That was yeah, that was me. So yeah, that's just
a project that I've actually been working on for a
long time and I finally found the girls that a'most
squatching with me. So I'm excited for Georgia. Absolutely sure.
I will be there eventually, for sure.
Speaker 9: So how long have you had those groups?
Speaker 3: So we'll start out, Yeah, hold on, oh even come back.
Speaker 9: In there, he goes, Okay, he's gonna log out and
come back in.
Speaker 10: To answer your question, Amanda. So I've been squatching a
hardcore here for about three years. I started having dreams
of sasquatch when I was little, so it's always been
like kind of like a hobby, and just recently I
turned it into a lifestyle. And it was because I
started having sightings up here in the Cascades, so I thought,
you know what, I'm just going to explore this and
see where it takes me. And you know, I've got
a background in journalism, so it just kind of I'm
what I'm doing is I'm kind of following the flow
and letting it take me where it takes me, and
it's just taking me deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 9: So I like it. That's how my journey has kind
of started as well with all this just where just
going with the flow. What takes me here takes me there?
How I ended up here on Squatch and Holler with
Roger and all the other stuff I'm doing as far
as Bigfoot goes. And it's a fun ride.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it really is. And it's surprising as well, because
you know, at first, I was kind of, you know,
maybe I don't want to say this, or I don't
want to say that because I don't want to offend anybody,
and I don't want to sound crazy. But when you've
seen a sasquatch, you've seen a sasqu watch, there's nothing
else to say about it, you know, so and you
have to speak your truth, you know exactly. You got
to get out of your comfort zone sometimes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, being in this is definitely out.
Speaker 3: It was weird. Yeah, it was weird, Michelle. I never
had been to a big Foot conference, and in twenty
three I hadn't started the show yet, and I was
kind of thinking about it, and I went to Gallinburg
and I ended up on stage telling my story you
talking about I was about to pass out, but just
what you said before I went on, I'm like, hey,
this is your story, you know the story, you know.
And I got up there and the relief of putting
it out there was amazing. Uh. You know, you had
that that feeling of, like you said, not wanting the
people to think you're crazy. But then again, if you
don't tell your story, you're you're not helping anybody. And
we we found out that this, this is what this
is about, also learning, sharing experiences, sharing knowledge, and and
helping people deal with you know this and I missed it.
How old were you when you saw the sasquatch for
the first time.
Speaker 10: Well, I've been having dreams of sasquatch since I was five.
My first sasquatch sighting was literally last summer. Oh wow, yeah,
I know, and then I and then during that last
summer it was one right after another, I had three,
so wow yeah.
Speaker 3: And that's and that's what you know. People you know,
they think you know, people that go on expeditions or
get out in the woods, you know, let's say fifty
times a year. Most of the time, not much happens. You
may find little evidence here or there, but when it
does happen to you, it's life changing.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then then you're like, Okay, these things are real.
Now what I do you know? So it's it. I
love the fact that there are people that you know,
they start groups and you kind of you have a
core group of people that you trust and they trust you.
And because when you're going out on you know, when
you're camping out in the woods, you have to have
a team. I think a lot of people go solo.
But do y'all how often do y'all get to go?
You were out today in the mountains. I saw a
post on Facebook. Yeah, but do y'all get to go?
Quite a bit?
Speaker 10: Absolutely? I try to go every day. If I could
go every day, I would. Right now. I'm homeschooling my daughter,
so she gets out of school here pretty soon. Actually
we're taking the last week off of school so we
can go squatch and so fabulous. I love it, yep.
I talked to her and teach her about it today.
But I mean typically in the summertime, when the weather's nice,
I'm out probably about four or five times a week,
And there's certain times of days I like to go out.
My My research area is as the crow Flies. I
would say ten miles at the most, but I have
to drive about thirty five miles to get to you know,
where it's at because the road is real windy and
it goes through the mountains and stuff, and I go
pretty deep in but I can stand in my backyard
and see my research area from my backyard.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Have you noticed certain in your area, you know, like
here with our extreme heat and humidity, it kind of
slows things down, and of course that makes of course,
we still go probably knowing not anything will happen. But
but that's I always say, that's that's part of the
data too, you know. Okay, we pretty much know we're
not gonna have anything happen, but we go spend time.
And I found out recently one spot we go to here,
I knew there were caves, I didn't realize there were
so many, and I was trying to think, well, where
are they going? You know, because they're here through like
October to March. We can, you know, not every time,
but we you know, we can. We can go out
there and have a good chance of hearing something or
whatever finding tracks. But have you noticed is it kind
of year round in your area or their patterns?
Speaker 10: It is? No, it is year round. There's busier seasons
like spring and fall. We get a lot of activity
in the winter, not so much during the summer. It's
kind of surprising so the main road that goes through
my area is all BLM land, so it's free camping, right,
and all these people they can't. And then they have
a sighting and they go back and they go straight
to the ranger station and they give their reports to
the ranger station, and then my girls or up there.
So I go up to the ranger station and I
collect reports and then I give them business cards. I'm like, hey,
you know, somebody tells you about because they can't really
take reports, you know, so I'll give them and they'll
give them my business card for me. So I get
people who call me and they're like, yeah, we're out
here visiting from Arizona, you know, and we had a sighting.
And it's so cool to see all this because there's
a pattern, you know, and location and the kinds of
experiences that they have our up here. They like to
throw rocks. They're rock throwers, and they don't they don't
do it maliciously. They're not throwing them at people, but
they threw on it that I was standing. One time,
I was I was outside my car and we were
shining a ridge for eyeshine, and one of my girlfriends
was with me and she goes, she whistled, and it
was at night, and I said, no, don't.
Speaker 3: Whistle it night.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, what are you doing? Are you crazy?
Speaker 7: Do that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 10: And I that Two seconds later, a rock probably about
the site, maybe a little bit smaller than a baseball,
comes whipping off that ridge and hit the basket on
top of my car and it goes bring. You know,
I was like, see, I told you don't be whistling
at night around here.
Speaker 9: That's good to know that they talk about that on
your side as well as they do that over here
in the action for sure.
Speaker 3: Well like here growing up we heard that, but they
wouldn't tell you why, you know, and then make you won't.
And here we've had we've had rocks thrown here, usually
when we either wore out or welcome we went too
much to an area too many, like within two weeks
or the first time. On the South end, I think
nobody had been there in years, and we were scouting
for hunting and and and a lot of times, you know,
people say throwing rocks. It was kind of tossed, you know,
it arcd over and and and it. You know, I
don't think it was trying to hurt us. But it
what has amazed me talking to people from all over
the world actually now, but especially in this the country.
It's a lot of the similarities that you know, they
may look a little different, smelled a little different, but
the the things they do are pretty much the same.
So uh, it's just know, I don't even know where
to go now, Like it's like we've peaked here, like
I don't I don't know. I don't want to make
them mad. I've almost got to the point where we
go out there, we enjoy it, and I kind of
actually kind of talk in my head a little bit,
hey we're here, we're not We don't don't want to
hurt you, you know whatever. And it seems like in
these two different areas since I started doing that, and
I guess they know we're not gonna leave, it's kind
of calmed down from where it was at the beginning.
I don't know if that's a trust thing or they
recognize us and to hear the similarities and you know,
like patterns. It it's good that you you're paying attention
because that that'll lead to more success, you know, in
in what you're doing. How many people do you have
kind of in your local group that go with.
Speaker 10: Well, right now, I have two people in my local group.
I kind of you know people they kind of they
recycle themselves. You know, they have they have jobs, they
have families, they have you know, just other things that
they're not obsessed like I am me, you know. So,
and I'm fortunate enough to where I you know, I
don't have to work, and I can stay at home
with my kid, and I can I homeschoolers, so we
could pretty much go out whenever we want to, you know,
And so I have. Yeah, I've got a couple of
people who are doing research with me now, and neither
of them are local. So most of the research that
I do out here is just by myself with Pemma,
my daughter. You know, she's learning a lot and it's
really awesome. So and she's you know, she likes it.
It's fun for her. She gets to ride in the car,
and she gets to see animals and you know, maybe
even a bigfoot. We collect did a cast today and
she was excited about it.
Speaker 3: So it would be too Yeah, yeah, we need to
do a show and have some people on to show
how to actually cast. I don't I don't have any
casting material.
Speaker 9: I don't either, Yeah, like hide my head and shape.
Speaker 3: And people. People have got on to me like you're
find these tracks, you take pictures of them, you put
things beside them, you need to do the cast, And
I'm like, I don't really want to stay in the
area that long, you know what I mean, like if
they just especially if it's fresh. Yeah. Oakridge Bookfoot Museum.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I just saw this question. Have I been to
the Oakridge? My friend Priscilla owns it, so of course
a lot. Yes, Yeah, it's really great. Area fifty eight
is the name of it. She puts on the Sasquatch
Summer fust in July every year. So the museum is beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's cool. And did we tell you the
mando she works at the or she might have told
you while I was going at the expedition Bigfoot Museum
in North Georgia, so yeah, she make.
Speaker 9: It that far. Yeah, that's one of my big steps
obviously into this subject matter. I was already into it
long beforehand. And then yeah, working there in it every day,
like said somehow another that being Bigfoot is my day job.
Speaker 10: So right, you know, I've heard great things about that museum.
Actually that's on my bucket list.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, well, please let me know whenever you're coming,
and I'll make sure that i'm there and that David
the Odor of the museum is there, so y'all can
can meet up and talk. He would love to pick
your brain.
Speaker 10: Awesome. Yeah, I will definitely let you know for sure. Yeah,
you were talking about like the squatching over there. I
was in Tennessee in January, and I thought it was
really amazing. I wasn't expecting as much as what I saw,
just structure wise. The structures were so big. They're huge,
and they're so detailed, Like you they have a function.
One of the structures I got to tell you guys this.
This was in Cherokee National Forest down by Gatlinburg. Yeah,
oh my god. I could not believe it. So there's
this trail and it's pretty deep into the wilderness and
there it's a three a three logged I guess, structure huge,
just massive. It's two logs on one side of the
road and there it looks like they would they'll they're
ready to fall forward, but they're crossed right and there's
one huge tree on the other side of the road
and they're leaning into each other and that one on
the other side of the road is holding them up,
and it's just it was amazing. I could not believe it. It was.
And when we drove, yeah, and we drove underneath it.
I stopped before we drove underneath it because I thought
I felt like I was going into another place. Yeah, exactly.
So I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do this because
that's what I do. I do it right. So I
floored it and I went underneath it because I didn't
want to fall on top of me. And when we
got into the other side of it, I had one
of my girlfriends with me, and both of us just
instantly got like this. It was so weird. I know
it sounds crazy, but it was like this russure right
in our head and then kind of like this buzz
in our ears, like we really did cross into another
frequency or something, you know, But it was just like
the whole the air pressure changed everything. It was really strange.
It was strange. And so we stayed over there on
the other side for about ten minutes or so, came
back through our ears popped. It was gone, you know.
Speaker 9: Other than the pressure changed your ear or anything like that.
Was there any other things that you've seen, heard, smelled,
anything like that while you were on the other side
of the I'm going to call it the gate.
Speaker 10: Yeah nothing. I mean we saw what they were possible
smaller structures, but not you know, nothing else, no prints
or anything. We didn't, you know, see any sasquatch or
anything like that. But man, that structure just had us mystified.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that was you were braver than me going on
the other side of it.
Speaker 10: I'm pretty brave.
Speaker 3: When I when I heard you say that. It's just
a couple of years ago. I was sitting still in
a field in a chair right at daylight, and I
wasn't moving. I felt pressure in my ears and my
right ear started buzzing, and then I heard two heavy
footsteps just over out of sight, not far twenty five
thirty yards, and it sounded like something. And we've had
stuff happen at this place. And I came back and
started asking people, have you ever had your pressure now
going up?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 3: It had that happen, and that is the same thing.
Something's wrong on my it's buffering. But anyway, I started
asking people from different parts of the man, I don't
know what. Yeah, y'all go, y'all, go ahead, this we got.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna meet you for a second while you fix
work on that. H never mind, doublets, try it again.
Speaker 3: All right, Yes, I don't know what's going on, y'all. Sorry.
Uh so you're you drove from Oregon to Tennessee and
then all around the country. The the eastern part of Tennessee.
Tennessee is kind of weird, you know, over towards me
Sip in the west, it's flat, and then here you
have the foothills of the mountains it's still doing it.
And but over there it's uh there there looks like
places where nobody stepped foot on. You know, it's just
so rural and places. Uh. What was your favorite part
of the trip to East Tennessee.
Speaker 10: It was so cool. So I was visiting my friend Michelle,
and she's in my girl's gun squat chain group. She's
actually my twin Flames. She's like, if you saw us together,
we just finish each other sentences. She's so cool. So anyways,
I was over there visiting her, and believe it or not,
she so she lives in Kingsports right on the border
of West Virginia, right and literally like she's right there,
and uh, it's very wooded, a very wooded area, and
she lives way up high above the city. She's got
a great view up there, and there's this creek that
comes down by her house and I Am not even
kidding you. There's this wooded area and it's right next
to one of those like, uh, it's where all the
power connectors and stuff are, you know, and there's a
fence around it, you know, like bosses.
Speaker 9: Like substation kind of thing. Yeah, I think that's what
I call down here.
Speaker 10: Right yeah, like a substation. And right there in that part,
there's no like it's you know, it's kind of far out.
It's not someplace where a lot of people would even
take their bicycle through, like on the road, because the
road just kind of drops off. There's no people there.
There's no tents there, and there's these really beautiful elaborate
structures inside the small area that came down from the
creek that goes up into the woods, into the forest.
And I'm trying to figure out, like we're still kind
of confused about it. She says she can sit right
there in her house and look down there and there's
no people there there's not a trail there or anything.
But these these huge, huge logs you would literally need
a crane to lift, are setting balancing inside of the
nooks and crannies of another huge tree. And I'm just like,
how did this happen?
Speaker 9: You would like, how that would fall? And I mean
it could happen, you know that where it could just
land just perfectly. But for something like that that happened
frequently in one small location, that's very interesting.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it was really weird. And then not only that,
but then aside from that, there's all these smaller structures
that you could tell are very deliberately placed, you know.
So having the two of them together as kind of
an indicator, you know, if it was one or the other,
you'd be like, well you could blow it off, well
that was human made, or while that you know, fell
like that. But having both of them there, it was
mind boggling. And I actually believe that's like the best.
That was my favorite part of being in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Did you get to talk to did you get to
talk to any of the locals about uh you maybe
encounters or hearing any stories while you were there?
Speaker 10: Yep, I did. So there is a lake. I wish
I could remember the name of it. It's pretty popular
over there and a lot of people go fishing there.
I even it might even be a reservoir. I can't
remember the name of it, but anyways, there are a
lot of I noticed there's a lot of fishermen in Tennise, Tennessee.
So they were kayaking and finish fishing, and they were
going through an area where there's like a park on
the other side, and then on this side of the
lake is like a real steep slope and it goes
up a mountain. And he said that it was probably
like around dusk, and he was in the kayaking he
heard something, so I looked up. I think he heard
something fall down the mountain. And he looked up and
he saw one and it just stood up and it
sidestepped up the mountain, and he said it scared him
so bad. He was afraid it was going to pick
up a rock and throw it at his kayak. But
I was like, you know, I mean, obviously the rock
that came down didn't hit your kayak. I think people
get there, and I understand it. People get so afraid
and intimidated, especially if it's dark or whatever. But really,
if they wanted to hurt us or they wanted to
kill us, they do it right away, you know, without
us even knowing about it.
Speaker 9: So many people said too in other conversations I've had,
people's minds are blown for that split. Sicken and fear
is usually the first thing that hits them because you know,
our whole lives are told these are things that are
not supposed to exist, And all of a sudden, you
see something there that looks very human, is not human
in his way bigger than you. So if it wanted
to hurt you, it could. Yeah, definitely, since that primal
fear in the people.
Speaker 10: Absolutely, yeah, just recently, so just recently, we literally like
two days ago Jason left. Jason Kenzie was here filming
with Sweet Home Sasquatch, and we had an experience. It
was so awesome. So we decided that we were all
going to stay in the tent one night, and we
were going to do it right in the habitat, which
I've never done before. I've never camped in the habitat,
And we were going to set out a like a
voice recorder, and we were going to just camp out
over the night. And it was really really super quiet,
and I was in a deep so everybody was sleeping,
and all of a sudden I heard crack and it
woke me up. It was so loud it woke me
up and I opened my eyes. And then right after that,
I heard about three or four heavy footsteps June, real
slow like it was just and then it faded away.
It faded out, and I was like, Jason, everybody in
the tank kind of wakes up and they're all like,
huh you know, oh okay, everybody goes back to sleep.
I was like, big it. But so that's what I
was doing before I got online with you guys. I
was going over my audio because I know I got
it on audio I had to have, but it was Yeah,
when we woke up the next morning, I had seven
hours of audio left on this and I left it running.
It got turned off three hours in right, Yeah, that's
what I thought. So I thought, I wonder if it,
like whatever it was, walked over and turned it off
or you know, because they talk about how sometimes their
energy will mess with things, like was it their energy
that turned it off? You know, just to just to
make sure, right you it just turned it off. It
didn't drain the battery. Yeah, I know the battery is fine.
Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, that's even more interesting because it you know,
with energies and stuff that will drain the battery right
to turn it off. But it just straight turned itself off.
Speaker 10: That's interest.
Speaker 3: It was so weird and that and the more you
do that, uh, it's still shocking when it happens. We
were out there l b L a few months back
and Spencer had his uh thermal I think Anthony had it,
and he had the phone. He was looking at what
he was looking at, and we were watching and all
of a sudden, every and everything's fully charged and we're
watching and every it starts glitching and he said, this
has never done that before. And I'm watching it and
I'm like, what is going on? He said, I don't
know what this is. And you know, of course the
l b L there's some strange areas in that place,
and you know, then we start talking about I had
a one hundred and twenty dollars flashlight. It was fully
charged and it was working at where we were at there.
By the time I get to the next area, it
won't come on. And I get back to the cabin
later almost before daylight and it's working. I didn't charge it.
It started working again, so I'm with you. You hear people
hear researchers all the time. They don't. I don't know
what it is. I had something pretty scary going on
one time, me and my dog and in in one
of our research areas. There's something standing in front of
me making noise, and I can't see it. There's nothing
in between us. I can't see it. My dog's scared
to death. Everybody's heard this before, but I was filming
with my phone, and you know when something stops recording
or whatever, it did just go black.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: Well, when I rewatched it, just before that sound started,
I turned. I heard something I was turning, and the
video blurs for a second or two and then stops.
So I don't know what happened. I thought I caught
that sound, but yet when I get back, it just
stopped and I didn't touch it. So that was a
big gut punch because I was really After I got
out of there, I was like, oh, think, thank god
we made it out. But I've got some evidence. I
want to I want people to hear this, see this,
and it wasn't there so yeah, I don't know if
we'll ever figure that out. Let me ask you this
your research areas we found out here in other places,
the more quartz that's in the area, the weirder things happen,
and uh it, you know, without getting in all that,
it just seems to be the more of that. Do
you have a lot in your area or over in Oregon?
Speaker 10: I do, and in my particular area is called Quartzville.
Speaker 9: Actually called Quartzville. Actually that's actually perfect. You couldn't ask
for that. No, anyway, you can't make it up kind
of thing.
Speaker 10: No, you can't make it up. And that's one of
the things that attracted me to it because I work
with energy anyways. I'm a raking master and I crystal
crystal energy and stuff. So you know, I was like, okay,
this means something. It's full of quartz, and it's full
of gold and pyrite and every other kind of mineral
you can think of. Plus it has two huge reservoirs,
you know, and water is obviously a conduit for energy. Right,
So that's why I think the first the last. When
I started having my sightings, the first two sightings that
I had were just out of this world, and I
just didn't even want to talk about it because I
was like, this is not happening. It's so strange and weird,
and you know, like it almost made me feel like
I was going crazy. So I remember I said one
day out loud, I said, you know what I've been
through all of this, I deserve a sighting where it's
like tangible, like I can touch it if I want to, Like,
you know, I deserve this. You need to give this
to me. And not a few days later, I had
my main sighting that was just it was real, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit about that, about
your first sighting, because I know, even if you've seen
a few, it's so rare, it's still message with you.
It's still like you can't believe what you're looking at.
How did that go?
Speaker 10: So you're talking about my third siting, the one that
was really pivotal. Yes, yeah, okay. So I was up
at my research site. It's like at four thousand feet
it's up in the mountains, and I was up at
the research site. It was after we had had a
town hall meeting. I have them once a month, and
I had one of my research partners in his fiance
were here from Bend, and Bend is about one hundred
miles away from here, and we were all get rid
of camp that night up at the research site, and
I could feel there was no energy. It was dead,
you know what I mean, Like I just knew they
weren't there. They weren't gonna be there. They were gone,
you know. So I looked at my research partner Eric,
and I said, I'm gonna go home and sleep in
my own bed tonight if I don't have to be
out here, you know, I'd much rather be at home.
I'll grab a coffee in the morning and I'll come
back at six o'clock. So he's like, okay. So him
and his fiance stayed there, and I jumped in the
car and something, this is really weird, and I'm still
trying to wrap my head around it. I don't typically
like drive poorly on the trails, right, I'm very very
particular about safety, right. And so it was ten o'clock
at night, it was dark. I jumped in my car
and man, I floored it, and I tried to see
how quick I could get down the mountain. Typically it
takes me about fourteen minutes that night, it took me
seven and a half minutes to get down to the
bottom of the hill.
Speaker 9: You were pulling like a duke's of hazard out of.
Speaker 3: There, really totally right straight.
Speaker 10: Yeah, It's just like I had an urge, you know,
I just wanted it was fun. I wanted to see
what would happen. I knew like that trail in particular,
no one is ever on it, especially at ten o'clock
at night, you know what I mean. So I felt
safe enough, and so I got down to the bottom.
I was so proud of myself. I was like, Wow,
that was really cool, you know. So I get out
on the main road, which is Quartzville Road. I got
out on the main road, and I'm driving along and
I get to this point to where I'm like, right
coming around a corner to where this really popular campsite is.
And the campsite is actually on a peninsula in the reservoir,
so and you can only get into it one way,
and it's right there. So I come around the curve
and right in front of me, I see two sets
of red what looked like to me they were like
bicycle reflectors. So there were two of them on each side.
Two over here behind this tree, kind of about five
or six feet up the side of the tree. And
then there was two over here, and they were real
low to the ground, like if they were eyes, the
chin of whatever it was would be sitting on the
side of the road. So at first I'm thinking their
bicycle reflectors, and then I realized that they weren't. And
I'm cutting. I'm creeping real close. I turn off my headlights,
I leave my fog lights on the bottom on, and
then I stopped the car and I slowly start creeping
up like three miles an hour, just creeping up on them.
Try it, just studying. I'm trying to figure out because
I've driven this road a hundred times, maybe a thousand times,
and I knew that this was never here before, you know.
So I'm getting closer and I'm thinking, are they owls?
Are they like does somebody have steampunk goggles on? Like?
What is this? You know? So I get closer and closer,
and I start to realize their eyes and they're like
sheep like eggs, and they're about this far apart, and
I was like, holy cow, But they were emitting light, right,
they were glowing, but they weren't. It wasn't like a
laser flashlight or anything like that, and you could just
see their eyes on the inside barely, and I was like, oh,
oh my god.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: So I get closer and closer, and as I'm getting closer,
I'm starting to kind of make out a silhouette, and
I'm starting to get this body language, especially with the
one that was behind the tree. So the one that
was behind the tree, she would look I say she
because she I just felt like she had a really
feminine energy by the way that she was working so gracefully.
And she'd look at me, and then she'd look at
the one across the road, and then she'd look behind
her like she was looking, you know, like maybe she
had some little ones or something behind her. You know.
She kept doing that, and I look over at the
one to the left of me, and he's like, I
can see him now. He's like this on the side
of the road, and I both of my windows were down,
so I pulled up and I got almost in between them.
This one over here, I couldn't see anymore behind the
tree because she was so tall. She was above my car,
you know, so the roof of my car was blocking
her out. But the one over here, he locked eyes
with me, and he did not take him off. The
minute he locked eyes with me, I was stuck in
his sight. And it was right when my window because
my window was open. It was right when I got
to that point to where he could see me through
my open window. So my hair is starting to stand up.
Speaker 9: Now, I got chili bumps.
Speaker 10: For you, I'm getting. I can feel the goose bumps
on my head. So I'm you know, I'm like, I'm
trying to have a good experience. I mean, this is
what I'm here for. Right, I asked for this. I
had previously, just a few days earlier, I had said
I want this. So I'm taking it all in and
I'm spending as much time as I possibly can just
looking at them. Not once did I ever think about
taking out my phone. Yeah, not one time. It just
it slit my mind. So I'm looking at him and
as I'm I'm going past him, it's real dark, but
I still have my fog lights on. As I'm going past,
I can see his back. He's hunched over and I
could see his back right behind him. He got He's huge,
he's so wide, his shoulders are just huge, and the
hair on his back was almost like kind of hollow like,
and it did this weird thing. It kind of rippled
and it glowed and it kind of like sparkled a
little bit. Like it was just it was the weirdest thing.
And I've I've never watched the movie, but every time
I explained this to people, they always compare it to Predator.
I have I should watch at least watch that part,
and I still have it, but they that's what they owe.
That kind of sounds like the Predator, right, So, but
it was kind of iridescent. It just did this. It
just kind of rippled, you know, it glowed, it sparkled
a little bit, and I kind of I got the
feeling that from him that you know, Okay, it's cool,
we've had our moment. Just go ahead and go let
us continue what we were doing. Obviously, they were crossing
the road from one side to the other, right because
ones on one side and ones on the other side.
So I went through them. I looked in my rear
view mirror, couldn't see them. So I just went home
and I thought about it all the way home. And
I got home and I went to bed and I
woke up the next morning. I came out and I
grabbed my coffee, came out to the spot, and I
realized it was daylight by then, that there was a
ditch there where he was at. There's like a four
four and a half foot deep ditch. And he must
have been massive, because I could just see him in
my mind crouching in that ditch and bending over the
road with his chin sitting on the side of the road,
you know what I mean. So everything made sense. I'd
looked over on the other side of the road and
there's like a two foot deep pit, like a what
do you want to kind of like a ditch, like
a little gully or something there where it's real soft.
So that would have made her if she's five or
six feet up the side of the tree, that would
have made her five six, seven or eight feet tall easily,
you know. And then looking at him, he looked bigger
than her or he just their silhouettes were different, Like
he looked massive. So I went through. I went back
up to the camp site that morning. I made it
at six o'clock in the morning, and I told Eric
I got up there. Eric's making coffee and I said
I saw something last night, and he's like, oh, really,
what was it? And I told him and he's like hmm,
and I said, yeah, huh so it r That was
all we talked about for like a week. We didn't
talk about it again for a week because I felt
like it took that long to process.
Speaker 9: Like you were describing the the shimmering effect that it
was doing with the hair on its back and stuff.
A lot of people, you say, were giving trying to
compare it to the Predator effect. For me, what I
was envisioning in my head because you're such a good
storyteller to describing the details of it, it reminds me
of something from like like a like a fantasy movie
or something like a kid's movie or something, you know,
the magic tingles and it has all the sparkles and
the shimmer effect comes over it everything.
Speaker 10: So that's why I you know, I've made it. I
made it such a point like when I go out
there and I set my intentions that I'm a pretty
jumpy person, you know, I get kind of nervous. Sometimes
I got a lot of energy, you know, And I
always tell him, if you're gonna like interact with me,
or if you're gonna have a moment with me, just
don't scare me, you know, just be gentle about it.
Don't be in you know, right right, don't be mean
about it, right yeah, don't just be nice to me,
because I'm just here to hang out with you.
Speaker 3: I've got a question. So was the moon bright that night?
Speaker 10: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I do not remember the reason. I ask Greg, my buddy.
He's about iron half from here, and he's got you know,
we call them boogers down here, and he had something
tried to open his door, and they come around. He's
got a cabin we call the man caves. It backs
up to the National Forest and they frequent that area.
They've been on this roof and all we found tracks
and all kinds of stuff. So, but he said something
tried to open his door about about two o'clock in one
the morning, and he was sitting in a recliner and
I went down there and I found a hair and
it I've never seen anything like it. Doug has it now.
I don't know, you know, if he's got a chance
to look at it yet. But the first it was
about three inches long, and the first part of it
was coal black. The last two inches was like fiber optic,
no color clear. And so there's there's two things I
want to say. I started researching, you know, everybody whose
chat GPT or whatever, and I just put what would
I didn't say bigfoot, What advantages would an animal have
with hair like that? I described it, and it drew
it out just I said, yes, that's that's where it is.
What what advantages would an animal have that would have
hair like this? And it said that it would be
hard to take pictures of in low light conditions. Uh,
it would blend in it would it would kind of
hide its silhouette better. And then ambient like like a
porch light or moonlight, you would be able to see. Now,
another thing Douve just told on a show a few
weeks a couple two or three weeks ago. Uh he
had I don't think it ever told us before, but
they were going over the PG film and it had
it on a huge, like uh theater screen and had
several people in there, and it was blown up so big.
She I think as she turns around, the hairs on
her back stand up, and there was a non believer
in the room like, oh my god, this thing's real.
And they went back and and watched it again and
they said, you could clearly see those hairs. So I'm
hearing what you're saying, and it's reminded me of those
two things, like the hair if it is a sasquat's
hair that we found, which is a good possibility. Yes,
I've never seen anything like that. I've searched the internet
as much as I can. I can't find anything any
hair that's made like that. And along with the description
and what that would do, that would make you know,
I'm sitting here thinking as you're talking, I'm like, oh
my god, oh my god. If those hairs are laid
down and they raise up, then any kind of ambient light,
it could look like that, exactly like you've described. So
that's why I like talking to people like because you
didn't know that, you know, I knew had found this
and whatever. So man, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 9: Reminds me of like a cat or something like that.
Whenever they're like, you're scratching their back or something, the
ripples on their body will do that ripple. That's what
I was picturing. So I don't know if that's exactly
what you saw or if it was just a if
it was a physical ripple effect, or if it was
more of the I hate to.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 10: Wah like I couldn't. I couldn't. I don't understand it.
I still don't understand it. You know.
Speaker 9: When I did fantastic detail, Yeah, when I did my
research on it, I noticed somebody in the chat said
something about a polar bear.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's what That's the closest thing I could find
to maybe even you know, like maybe they have the
same kind of ability that a polar bear would have
because that's like hollow or whatever. And yeah, they're skin.
Speaker 3: And flack so reflect they're surroundings. Right. Yeah, let's say
you put you put something like that, let's say bigfoot.
Yeah it has hair like that, and you put it
in an all green or all it's going to reflect
that light and blend in or.
Speaker 9: Like you were driving through there at night, so it
was obviously super dark, so it was going to be
picking up a lot of light.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but.
Speaker 9: Physical being would be dark to see as well.
Speaker 10: Right, And the minute my fog lights hit it is
when it did that. Remember my fog lights are and
my fog lights are really dim. I mean, you do
almost have no light at all with those fog lights
on there, those little round ones on the bottom, you know,
so it's barely But the minute I lined up with them,
it was just like it took all that light from
my fog lights and just did whatever it did.
Speaker 3: You know, there's something else in the with the account
you just told. So if I can find things in nature,
you know, i'd say this all the time, then I
leave that on the table. Right for bigfoot. We don't
know hardly anything, just what we experience and what we see.
But I do know, like you can take a herd
of deer, or you can take a bunch of turkeys,
there's usually either a hen or a dough that's the lookout, right,
And so it would that wouldn't make sense that if
it was a female and they and it didn't have
to be little ones. That could have been a couple
of others or one more communicating like hey be still,
you know it Just that whole scenario sounded right now.
And another thing, that red bicycle reflector that you talked about,
I saw that one night like a road I'd been up,
like you said a thousand times, and we call it
the devil's backbone. It's nobody drives it because it's rough,
but it's the quickest way to get from where we're going.
I was just driving home. I've been visiting, visiting with
my son, and there's a tall, big tree. The limb
there are limbs, oh man, probably forty or fifty foot
up to the first limb. But I saw, like you said,
I'm like, is that you know the driveway reflectors, the
red and the blue and all that, and it was
it was large, but it was one of them, and
I'm like, what is that? Who put that there? And
then I realized it wasn't It wasn't on the tree.
It was just beside the tree. And I turned around
at the top of the hill, came back. It was gone.
The next day I came back and you know, like
you said, Okay, you try to rule out things. Was
it an owl?
Speaker 10: Was it? This?
Speaker 3: Was it that? There are no limbs, and this thing
had to be, you know, between eight and ten foot tall.
And now the only thing I'm left with is, you
know something looking around the tree? Right? Can so I
have Yeah, Now I can't say, hey, it was a
big foot, but I can't tell you what it was either.
So I'm kind of in that spot, you know. So
when I heard people talk about I've told that before.
But it's so it's so cool when other people have
experienced things similar. And I didn't mean to take over
and everything. It's just I get excited when when I
hear something that I've experienced before. But Amanda saw one
one time. She turned around. If you know, I'm butchering this,
but it was it was laying down.
Speaker 9: That's why I was on pins and needles on you're
talking about it. It was actually pro like forever. I
called it the bear skin rug creature, and that's why
I usually when I'm retelling my encounter story because that's
exactly how it was laying. It was laying prone on
his belly, arms out, chin up, what was touching the ground.
But it had its mouth open and the eyes were
like a blackish soups, deep black red like no irises
or not white to the eyes or anything. I don't
know what it was, and I attributed to the Sasquatch
now as an adults, but it was it was very terrifying.
Speaker 10: Wow, what did you do when you saw it? Would
you do? Were you driving or why I was.
Speaker 9: I was a teenager. I was at home with my
my brothers and my siblings and the neighbor kids and everything.
Were just being country kids, playing in the woods at
the edge of the driveway and I was at the
back of the pack and I just hollered at me.
I could hear something rustling in the leaves behind me.
I turned it a look and I see this thing
and I'm like, what the heck am I looking at
you know, I'm trying to process this. Okay, this is
on a man. It's not obviously not a deer, which
is what I thought was running up on us. It's
not a bear. And the other kids holler at me like, hey, Amanda,
come on, So you know, I turned to look at
them and just I look back and in that split second,
it's it's gone. It just disappeared that quick. So it
was the most bizarre thing. And I'm you talk about
you know, your riki.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 9: So I've always been very sensitive to a lot of
spirituality and energies and things like that. Throughout my life.
I've you know, had all kinds of encounters with ghosts
and dangel stores together, angels and demons and all this
stuff throughout my life, but because of my family and
true to myself, I still look at it through a
Christian lens. So at that time I just kind of
filed it in the back of my mind with all
these other weird, weirdo things I seen as like, what really,
maybe it was just a weird apparition that I saw you.
Now I know that sasquatch, cryptids, and other things they're
to me, they're all in that same category as well.
So now as an adult, I attribute to that that
was most likely it was a sasquatch sneaking up on us,
trying to trying to watch us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michelle, when that started, did tell how did you feel? You?
Because there's been times when I've seen seen, you know,
bigfoot whatever, where I'm noticing every detail I can, but
I'm not thinking like myself either. But I don't know
if it's if it so mind twisting or whatever. And
you would think you would be ready for it after
you see two or three of them, but you never are.
What what did What was your feelings?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Did as you were going through that? I know you started,
like we do, ruling things out first. You know, do
you remember how you felt that that moment. Was it
something odd or different?
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, absolutely not. It was. I it was like,
instantly I went into research mode. I The first thing
I did was I I dimmed my lights because whatever
it was, I didn't want to blind it, right, So
that was just instinctual. I looked behind me to make
sure my daughter wasn't with me, you know, and I
obviously I knew she wasn't with me, but for some reason,
I just felt compelled to just make sure that she
wasn't in the backseat. And then I stopped. I stopped
while I'm stopping my car, and I instantly went into
research mode, you know, like I'm in I'm inquisitive anyway,
I'm in aquarius, so I want to know why all
the time, right, yeah, you get it. So I'm always
constantly in, you know, in research mode. And that's just
kind of how I followed through. The only thing different
was that something just blocked me from wanting to get
a picture.
Speaker 9: Like I've heard that. I've heard that from other witnesses
as well.
Speaker 10: I you know, I felt I was so you know
what I did feel. I felt so grateful at that
moment that I was having that experience and I think
that feeling was so overwhelming that it made me forget
about taking a picture. Like I was afraid if I
took my eyes off from it, it would disappear, because
you hear that all the time. If you take your
eyes right, yep, you take your eyes off from it,
it's going to go away and you're not going to
see it. I wanted to keep my eyes on it
as long as I possibly could.
Speaker 3: That's a great point. I saw a I think it
was a pregnant female one morning a couple of years back.
I was working. I won't get into the story, but
I had about a five second window. I was driving,
and the vehicle I was driving, I sat up high
in it with large windows, and I was talking to
a lady that was carrying her to a doctor's appointment.
And I noticed. The first thing I noticed was it
all black, had a little gray here, gray here, and
gray on the belly. And the first thing I thought
was like, and I thought it was a black hoodie.
And I see this and then I'm thinking, no way,
But you're right. I knew I had a limited window,
so I tried to focus on what I could to
get details in that small window. Because I couldn't turn
around and come back. I think I think our brain
takes over.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 3: You sound a lot like me. Uh. I didn't take
my eyes off over because I didn't. I knew I
didn't have long right, So the details that I got
helped me later. I wasn't sure how big she was
until a couple of weeks later I was going the
same road and I saw this normal sized man walking
beside the guardrail and she was like forty yards on
the other side of the guardrail. So when I saw
him and the guardrail, it gave me a little perspective.
I thought, oh, she was big. So but you know,
when we say it twist your mind up. Sometimes you
focus on what you can focus on, so you can.
You know, it's so amazing to And I kind of
felt I felt guilty because I didn't turn around, but
I would have got fired. I kind of like, man,
you should have turned around. But I think you know,
now you've been in this, you've been researching. Maybe the
next time it'll be a little better. But I don't
know if it gets better, Michelle, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: It's but you do what you can and if you
look down to grab a phone, that would have used
up a precious eight seconds, right, and you wouldn't have
seen the shimmer, and then we wouldn't have had this
conversation to kind of maybe put it together. So I
think Laurie missed.
Speaker 9: Some of those small details with that looking away for
that micro second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Laurie, lads and chat and I can't see chat, y'all.
I've got it. I'm sorry. But you know, they saw
some orbs in my tent at the LBL after we
left and went to the cabin and there was like
eight people saw them and she was like and went
in out, started outside, went inside and she's she said,
you know, I'm sorry. I should have took a picture
and said, no, Lord, you did the right thing. You
let the other seven people know that it was there
and they saw it too, and y'all have the same story.
That's better than a picture to me.
Speaker 10: So yeah, I feel like I was just extremely grateful
that I got to have that experience, because if you
think it like people like Peter Burne right when his
whole life researching sasquatch never had a sighting.
Speaker 9: I that brings my heart.
Speaker 10: I know what a shame, right, So for me to
have three in one summer and interactions, I'm incredibly blessed,
you know, like what really are That's amazing. Now I
go through this cycle of you know, like, what's so
special about me? Why me?
Speaker 3: You know, I think the same thing all the time.
Speaker 10: I think it has to do with me having my
dreams when I was a kid. I think it's a calling.
I really do. I feel like it's a calling.
Speaker 9: Well, I was actually really I'm really glad you brought
that back up because I was actually wanted to shift
and bring the eventually bring our converse station back to
you to your dreams as a child. As you were
having those dreams as young as you were, was you
familiar with the concept of bigfoot sasquatch or anything like that,
and at to did what was your mindset and thought
process on that at such a young age, What do
you think they were?
Speaker 10: Well, when I was that young, I thought it was
a boogeyman. I thought, you know, it was a monster,
and I did until I was nineteen. I mean, as
I got older in my teenage years, of course, you know,
I found out what bigfoot was and what it was about.
But then by then it had already made such an
impression on me that it, you know, it terrified me
that I was like, oh my god, Bigfoot's going to
kill me, you know, like what is this all about?
And I got to the point to where, when I
was nineteen, I was so stressed out about it that
I came downstairs one night one morning after I'd had
a dream, and I was in tears. I was crying,
which happened often, you know, when I have them. I
told my mom, I said, I just can't hand I
can't handle this anymore. It's stressing me out. So she
called my aunt, and my aunt's she's an energy healer too.
She does reiki and stuff, and she's got a lot
of friends, and she took me to one of her
psychic friends, and her friend said, the next time you
have a dream, tell him, tell him that he's scaring
you and you would like him to stop. And so
I did, and my dreams changed because it was reoccurring.
It was the same dream. Every time he would he
would just follow me, kind of follow me, and it
terrified me. So my dream changed and when it changed,
it it changed in a way to where he was
no longer threatening, but he was still there. So instead
of him coming in the house and following me out
and following me across the field, he just stayed in
the tree line behind a tree and he just peeked
at me and each watched me. And that's the same
dream I've been having ever since I was nineteen, But it.
Speaker 9: Wasn't always the same individual. Yeah, do you believe like
they always looked the same with me.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's the same guy. And I actually saw him.
That was my second sighting that I had up there.
I saw him. It looked just like him, so cool.
On my way home, I said, who are you? And
just instantly it was like somebody punched me right in
the brain and said, I'm the one from your dreams.
I didn't hear it. It wasn't odd, it wasn't audio,
but it was just like, yeah, it was like you
should know who I am, right, Yeah, like you should
know me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michelle, I'm gonna tell you like I tell everybody else.
If you'd have told me this ten years ago, Like
what but now I haven't told this publicly in the
past three or four weeks. I've always had vivid dreams, uh,
in color and all that, But I've been having four
K flashes right when I'm in that halfway asleep, halfway
not and it's there. They've been so vivid, but there
only lasts like a split second and it and it changes.
Well what I'm getting to. I jerked awake one night
because I saw my dad passed away in twenty two.
So I saw him so clear that I jerked awake.
But I told Heather, I told Peyton and Gregg, who
I had a dream about two weeks ago. It's funny,
you should say, bring this up. I was with with
a family a bigfoot. It was. There were three of them.
It was a was a male, a female, and a
little one and I asked the larger, the male what
his name was and he said, I don't know how
to spell it. He said he talked it talk and
I and that stuck with me. And what was funny.
The little one wanted me to pick it up and
I have a bad help and in my dream I'm like, nah,
it did it? Then I wake up. I don't know
why I remember that, but I try not to let
this subject take over. And it kind of scared me
a little bit, Like you're dreaming about it. But I've
got to the point now, Michelle, where I have buddies.
We talk about this stuff and we explore you know,
different you know ideas, and we were talking you know,
last year, and somebody made the comment, well, maybe there's
certain people that are chosen because when it's time for
everybody to know that, they're gonna have to have somewhere
to go to help them with it. So now that's
just a thought or whatever. But I've noticed there a
lot of people in chat has had similar experiences and
you know a lot of us have the same blood
type and it's just weird because it's rare. And then.
Speaker 9: Yes, that word, yes, sorry, I got to getting really excited. Uh, Ashley,
who isn't on the show with us anymore currently, is
my my best friend, and that we had to actually
teach Roger about synchronicity. Is yeah, it's like that's a
fancy word of like, oh honey, that's a that's a
good word because it's.
Speaker 10: The only word I can think of to describe exactly
what you're saying.
Speaker 9: M exactly and how that it's just exactly. It describes
how things connect are synchronous. This is the word synchronicity.
You know, it's it's definitely something you run across the
more you're into this subject matter, or any kind of
lesque subject matter.
Speaker 10: So sorry, go.
Speaker 3: Ahead, No, I I got some questions. I'm gonna get
into this since since you, uh, you know you you're
around the quartz and all I tell you something happened
to us. Uh. We were at a spot in south
in Talladega National Forest. It was after right after midnight,
pitch dark, and I'd seen the thing on TikTok where
you could take and make cold fire with quartz, you know,
rubbing it together, and so I was showing the guys
and I did that, and then just a few minutes
later we started seeing red orbs in the trees and
moving real erratic or whatever. And then we caught an
orb on you know, on thermal And have you have
you run into energies like that out in the out
in the forest at night or anything? And could you
tell us a little bit about that, because I know
absolutely nothing, but I've seen too many of them now
to ignore them, you know, what can you tell us
about that? I'm interested?
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's really it's interesting because so the town that
I live in Sweet Home. It's got like a population
ten thousand. It's probably been here for one hundred years.
It's just an old logging town and it's got a
lot of you know, a lot of generations of family,
you know, people who have lived here. And there's this
long running, you know, story about the orbs over Sweet Home.
So this is something that everybody sees and when they
see it, they post it on the community page on Facebook.
So it's it's cool to see all these people are
like taking pictures like, oh, so saw the orbs again tonight.
I've experienced it many, many times, and so as my
research partners. One time I saw it's like a blue
like a light blue orb that's kind of irridescent and
it pulsates. I saw one that was the size of
like a VW bug or something. It was like a
small car. Yeah, on this on the side of the
mountain where there was no road, you know what I mean,
there's no power, you know, structures or whatever. So and
then but we also there's a ridge down there where
I'm shining all the time for eye glowing stuff. And
half the reason why I'm there is because that's where
I see all the orbs, and it's right next to
one of the reservoirs and a large piece of quartz,
an area where there should be a lot of quartz,
and I've I have a lot of really weird experiences
right there. One night, that's where the the rock came
off the cliff and hit the top of my car.
And it didn't just roll down the side of the cliff.
It was tossed. You had to toss it across the
road for it to hit my car. So one night
we were there and I was with my research partner,
Eric and another guy, Tim, and we were shining the
ridge for eye shine, and we were seeing eye shine
all over the place. So we're getting real, you know,
like wow, what's going on here? And we're seeing little
flashes flickers of light and stuff and orbs. And I'm
looking one way and Eric's looking up at the ridge
and he goes, oh my god, Michelle, look And I
looked up and he's got his flashlight shined up there,
and I saw something. I couldn't tell you exactly what
it was, but I saw something and I saw something
move and Eric said it was a sasquatch. It was
squatting down. It stood up, it turned around and it
walked away, and I was like, oh my god. And
that was his first sighting. He's ever had first sighting, right,
So he's he's super excited. I'm excited. We're all excited.
But Eric is really exciting because he just saw a sasquatch.
So him and Tim decide that they're going to walk
down the road a little bit and they're going to
go around the curve to see if there's a path
that walks up that that ridge, behind that ridge, so
they could get up there because they wanted to follow it,
you know. So they and it's pitch dark, it's black. No,
there was no moon that night, I remember very specifically,
because you couldn't even put your hand in front of
your face and you know, you wouldn't see it. And
my flashlight had died. So Eric and Tim go walking
down the road and I'm like, hey, where are you
guys going, And they're like, oh, we're just going to
see if there's a trail that goes up there. I
want to, you know, we want to follow it. And
I'm like, don't leave me here alone by myself. They
do this all the time.
Speaker 9: They leave me alone in.
Speaker 10: The dark, Jason Kenzie did this to me recently too,
when we were filming. So anyways, they go down and
they go around that curve, and the minute I saw
those flashlights disappear and it was pitch dark, I heard
boom boom, boom boom, right twenty feet behind me. So
I'm like, I screamed, I said Eric. I jumped in
the car because it startled me. I'm in the dark.
I'm by myself. I jumped in the car. I slammed
my door. I forget how to turn my car on.
I can't even it's a push to start, you know.
I forgot to put my foot on the brake to
start it. I'm going, eh, you know, trying to get
my car started so I can roll up my windows.
And so here comes Eric and Tim and they're kind of,
you know, walking fast. I guess they're not running. They're
walking fast down the road. So I'm yelling and I says,
right behind me, it's right behind the car, like twenty
feet behind the car. And they walk past my car
and I get out and I walk back there with them,
and you couldn't see anything even with the flashlights. You
couldn't really because it goes down about four or five feet,
it goes out onto a ledge, and then it goes
down again and out onto another ledge and then the beach.
So Tim walks up the hill. He's up on top
of the hill and he can hear stuff down on
the beach area, you know, walking around or making noise
or something, but that's it. We couldn't see anything. So
later on, about maybe about twenty minutes or a half
an hour later, we decided we were going to pack
it up and go to another site. So the next day,
I can't remember if it was the next day or
two days later. I took one of my other friends
out there, who's real physically fit, you know, he's like
an athlete, and I said, can you climb down this
hill and just kind of look around and see what
it looks like? And he like, the minute he gets
down there, he sees there's four foot prints, there's a
big area of grass that's all bedded down like something
was laying on it. And the most interesting part was
that there was a rock like a it looked like
a bench, but it's a rock, right, and it's about
maybe three three and a half feet off the ground,
and it's covered in moss, and in this moss is
this huge print that looks just like a butt print, right,
it's a huge butt print. So he turned around and
he is a pretty tall guy. He's got a long torso,
and he sat down on that and realized that we're
He could sit there and he could see right over
the road, directly where my car was parked. So our
theory now is that we had one up on the
ridge and we had one down here on the rock
wait like sitting there watching us, and the one up
there on the ridge got the attention of Eric and Tim,
and the one down here waited for them to leave
and snuck up on me. That was terrifying.
Speaker 9: That is a very scary.
Speaker 3: H And when when you when you hear them, you know,
one or two or three times and you're pretty sure
you know what they are. That goes into your memory
bank of sounds. It's amazing you can tell how big
they are when they take a few steps.
Speaker 10: Yeah, even that one that was tippy toe. I say
tippy toe because he sounded like he was just you know,
kind of trying to be quiet, but you could hear
that it was heavy. You could hear it was bipedal.
You could hear that it was exactly what it was doing.
It was trying not to be heard.
Speaker 3: And so if you it sounds like you found out,
like a lot of us have, that they're I think
they're more curious than anything. And I can't say why
I feel like, but there's some things that have happened.
It's almost like some of them want interaction. Maybe they
test you a little bit, maybe they feel your energy
or your intentions. And I feel like I've gone from
one point a now to I'm in a spot where
it doesn't scare me as bad. And now that they know,
we know, mm hmm, it's more more pleasant, more or
less less scary, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, maybe even me even more comical.
Speaker 3: Some well yeah we have, but we had we had
it was four of us and uh we we I've
been recording for about three hours. We had a fire
going and I took my phone and turned it off.
I took the recorder and turned it off. We're about
getting ready to put the fire out and leave, and
we were still sitting there and the fire was gone
when we were talking, and we had one jump out
behind us, and it's just oh, it was it was
unreal and uh one one member jumped out of the
seat and ran locked the truck, locked her by the truck.
So it's all and it's almost like with electronics. I mean,
I can't prove it. And I did, you know, I
read the where our phones take infrared picture ever so
many seconds to see if we're still engaged and looking
at the phone. That's the case, then that's like a beacon,
you know, if they can see infrared. And I threw
that before I need this. I threw the phone face
down in the seat in the truck and just a
few minutes later when that happened, So it's a it's
almost like they're curious. Uh, it can't get scary. I mean,
I have to admit there's been times where I thought, oh,
you know, I'm not doing this anymore.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I think the more you go out there and the
more you are in an area, if they you know,
I'm repeating myself, but if they know your intentions, it
can get better, you know.
Speaker 10: So it does, it gets better, it gets easier. I'm
not nearly as afraid anymore. Obviously. I spent the night
in the habitat. I've never done that. I felt comfortable
enough that, you know, I felt like they know me now,
you know, Like I blast my music when I go
in there, I honk my horn. I'm like, I'm here,
you know. So I leave them gifts all the time,
you know, so yeah, they know me.
Speaker 9: What kind of gifts do you leave?
Speaker 10: Oh? Most of the time, it's like quartz and stuff,
like I'll leave I collect crystals, obviously, so I'll find
a really you know, pretty one that they've probably never
seen before, you know, and I'll leave it. I leave
like trinkets that I leave for the crows, Like I
leave sparkly little keys and stuff like that. I leave
the same little blood. Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'll leave the
same thing for them because I think, you know, I
think they probably think kind of like a crow, like,
you know, Oh, that's sparkly and shiny, and I like it.
Most of the time they take It's funny, they take
the crystals. If I leave like a little toy or something,
they'll leave it there. They when I take them apples.
I took apples and pumpkins, and they took the apples
but not the pumpkins, and I left. This will sound
really immature, but it was cute. I drew a picture
of me and a sasquatch together, you know, and I
put me in my glasses, you know, my glass, my
sunglasses and my blue dress, you know, because I always
wear blue when I go out there. And they took it.
I left it in a like a plastic like a
you know, the freezer bags, the zip black bags, and
it was gone. It's gone, like some somebody something had
to take it. There were no remnants of it anywhere,
like anything, nothing tored up, you know.
Speaker 3: So when I first, when I first, when I first
started you talking about leaving gifts, I talked to, you know,
some Native American buddies and they're they're like, I said,
what should I do? Well, at the very least, you know,
maybe take some tobacco. Yes, I do out of respect
and just kind of in your mind said, you know,
this is for you, thank you for sharing the land,
blah blah blah. And I started doing that. And I
don't know if it's all in my head, but once
I started doing stuff like that, it it started getting better, yeah,
more calm. So now I don't know, I can't prove it,
but I feel like I left I left a ten
pound bag apples hid on a a burrow, on a
tree that happened to be right right on the ground.
It was about two and a half foot tall. Well,
I put it on there, left it snowed here, iked
and we couldn't get out, you know, for about a week.
I went back and that that whole bag was gone.
So yeah, some like you said, somebody or something. I
don't know what could have picked it up other than
a human or something with thumbs, right, so right right.
Speaker 10: I noticed some I leave bananas, they won't touch them.
They won't touch bananas. They the apples, they like grapes,
they don't like pumpkins. I know that.
Speaker 3: Well I left apples and oranges one time, and the
oranges stayed. Then I talked to I think it was
Randy that actually puts on the cryptocon over in mcmnville.
We're talking about oranges, and uh, he said, over in
East Tennis, they won't take the oranges either, And I
forgot about that conversation. I kind of want to ask
somebody from Florida if they ever have trouble with their oranges, because, uh,
you know, I don't know, maybe they don't like shit.
Speaker 10: Maybe I'll ask.
Speaker 9: I'll ask the David Dix time I see him, because
he researched in Florida for so long. Yeah, I've never
I would assume so just because in my mind, like, hey,
you know, food is foodmportnit eaters. I remember now talking
to somebody who grew up at a farm in Florida,
but they raised blueberries and had an interaction with Skunkgate
down there because of that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've heard. I've heard that they'll eat strawberries and blueberries.
So I'm guessing that they'll eat what they're familiar with,
you know, because if we leave bananas, we don't grow
bananas here, you know. Yeah, so maybe that's why they
don't eat them.
Speaker 3: And I also heard I talked to a man that's
been and he's been doing this. He's out west with you.
He said, if you leave the fruit, get organic, which
that makes a little bit of sense. You know, we
shouldn't be eaten the other either, probably, But it's interesting.
It's like and it's so hard to catch anything on video,
you know. I just feel like they know. I mean,
I if I had to do it all over again,
I would probably just get a regular camera, old camera
film camera and all that because with the electronics. You know,
I've heard people talk about you know, I heard Doug
talking about on his show because he's a camera expert,
and he was like, the reason it's so hard because
you know, Gary got a picture of something at about
forty yards a few weeks ago, maybe two months now,
and I saw it move and he took the picture.
But it's a horrible picture. It's not because of what
he did at the right time, but Doug was staying
it because the lens is so small. That's why people.
You know, if you're taking pictures close up with an
iPhone fifteen, it's incredible, but any distance at all, you know,
you can take a picture at twenty yards and it
looks like eighty. So I don't know, maybe maybe we
need to go back to the old school ways. I've
heard several people say that, and then again, with the
way it is in today's world, you know who's going
to believe it anyway?
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm a guy. AI is so horrible.
Speaker 9: I hate.
Speaker 3: I talked to Mary Fabian from Philadelphia, I mean Pennsylvania,
and we were talking about a couple years ago. We
were at a camp out or whatever, and she said Roger,
I don't go to get evidence anymore. I've seen I've
seen them, I had interaction. She's written a book, she said,
I just go to experience nature and if they want
to show me something or want to be seen, it's
she said that if you use all this technology, they know.
So you know, I'm starting to believe it. It's just
it's like you said earlier about the structure. One you know,
maybe accident, but two together means something. How many researchers,
including you, Michelle, a man that's probably heard this a
million times, A lot of my friends, the the electronics
starts acting crazy. Is that that makes me think? You know,
we talk, we talk about the quartz and the area,
you know, is the area what draws them to that?
Is it the energy? Is it? Is it protective for them?
Does it make them more sensitive?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 3: Who knows, but I know that that quartz has. When
we talk to people, That's one thing I ask how
much courts you have? Almost every time? Oh, we have
a ton of it?
Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, Well we're iron half in. I don't want
to keep you all night, and maybe we can do
a part two. And uh, you want to tell about uh,
what y'all found and what maybe when it's coming out
with mister Kinzie.
Speaker 10: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, first of all, let me go through
the list here. So I'm gonna I want to let
everybody know I'm going to be speaking at Glide Festival,
the Glide Sasquatch Festival this year, and that's June twentieth
at Sorry, my allergies are really bad right now. That's
that's in Glide, Oregon. So we're going to be opening
for I'm going to be opening the day for Ronnie
LeBlanc and I think Ryan Golmbski is going to be there.
And then we're doing a mount Ship. We're going to
Mount Shasta directly after that to do a girl's gun
squatching trip.
Speaker 9: Oh wow, that would be really interesting.
Speaker 10: I can't wait. Oh my god, I'm so excited. So
then we'll be of course at Sasquatch Summerfest. My friend
Priscilla puts that on an oakrage every year, and that's
July eleventh and twelveth or tenth and eleventh. It is tenth,
eleventh and twelfth, it's that weekend. So and then so
Jason Kenzie was just here and we filmed a whole
like episode of Searching for Sasquatch, Sweet Home, and he's
gonna edit that. He just like he literally just got home.
He said it should be out sometime in October. We're
gonna do a premiere, like a movie premiere at the
local theater here in suite. We're going to do it
all up. We're going to do it up Hollywood style.
It's going to be fun. And then what else do
I have going on? I don't know. That's all I
can think of right now.
Speaker 3: It's a lot. I mean, but look, look, I'll.
Speaker 10: Yeah my book. I did write a book too, so
I was actually about to bring that up.
Speaker 9: Somebody posting that in the comments for you earlier.
Speaker 1: You have a book.
Speaker 10: Oh nice, thank you Hillary.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, The Dream Guardian Sasquatch and The Path to Awakening.
It's just about, you know, my first experiences and what
it meant to me and my dream that's got the
whole dream in there and everything too.
Speaker 3: Well. I appreciate you sharing with us, and just the
conversation was totally worth it because of the what your
experience and some of the things that we've learned. It
kind of it kind of meshes together and it doesn't
matter if you're in Oregon or or Alabama or whatever. Uh,
some of the similarities are and not just here around
the world. Yeah, it's pretty amazing, and I just hope
maybe we'll we'll live long enough to see a point
where somebody finally just admits it and like, look, let's
let's move on. Let me ask you that this be
the last question. Yeah, if tomorrow that the powers that
be said, they say, Okay, full disclosure. There's bigfoot. There's
two or three different types in these different areas of
what we've known about them for a while. We've got
DNA and all that. Saturday, would you go out into
the woods again?
Speaker 10: Absolutely? Yeah, absolutely, you know what it's I'm here for it.
And I truly like what you were saying earlier about
you know, there's a bigger picture going on and maybe
we're being prepared for something or why me, why? Why?
Why am I the one? Right? I'm here for it?
This is this is my path, this is my journey.
I finally figured it out. It took fifty years, but
I finally figured it out. This is why I'm here.
I'm here because of Sasquatch.
Speaker 9: I'm very happy you've got that because there's a lot
of people who don't. My off included, so that's awesome.
Speaker 3: You know, people may not believe this. I'm I grew up.
I was so shy and I never would have seen
myself doing this, but I wanted to learn. I wanted
to talk to people. I didn't know how to do that,
and something told me, or it pushed me this way.
And the synchronicities, the things that have happened to make
it possible. You can't help but think there's something in
the plan, you know, and I may not ever figure
it out, but I just hope that doing the small
show like this can help, you know, people that are listening,
you know, on Spotify and watching on YouTube or whatever.
And it's almost it went from doing a fun show
learning to like now it feels like a responsibility, not
in a bad way, no, no, yeah, And it started
for us early. I had recurring nightmares, but it was
I lived in I was little, I lived in a
haunted house. I had some weird things happened. At fourteen,
saw the big Foot for the first time. At seventeen,
the UFO, and I feel like in my life I've
been shown things. When I was ready where I wouldn't
be too scared. Yeah, I can't. I can't explain that,
but I think you know what I'm talking about. It's like,
now you're ready. Here, here's the next layer of the onions.
So but anyway, thank you so much. It's been fun
to you.
Speaker 10: Yeah so much. I really do.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Yes, thank you very much. It's been an
absolute pleasure, and I really want to connect after this.
Speaker 3: This is put her in the female Sasquatch group. I
don't know how I got in there, but yeah.
Speaker 10: Girl, and when I come out there, you could be
like an honorary member of Girls Gone Squatching.
Speaker 3: I like it all right, everybody, thank you so much.
We we we we love doing this and y'all make
it even more fun meeting you guys, and you know
some of you have become like family, and we appreciate y'all. Amanda,
thank you for everything. And we're going to play Doug's
outro and get this thing ended here. Thank you, Michelle.
If you stay in touch, I'm on Facebook. We're friends
on Facebook. So thank you very much. Good night, y'all.
Like Greg, everybody, big love, everybody.
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has been living here for hundreds of years, treat them
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still and the crickets get salt to y'all lie alone.
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