WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.799 The Projection Booth podcast is sponsored by Scarecrow Video. Try 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.040 out scarecrows rent by mail service. Choose from over one 3 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:09.720 hundred and fifty thousand films and get Blu rays, four 4 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:13.919 k's and DVDs delivered directly to your door. Visit scarecrow 5 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:20.160 dot com Today. 6 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:25.120 Oh ge is folks, It's showtime. People say, good money 7 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:25.960 to see this movie. 8 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:27.519 When they go out to a theater. 9 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.559 They want cold sodas, hot popcorn, and no monsters in 10 00:00:31.600 --> 00:00:32.679 the projection booths. 11 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:34.560 Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring. 12 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:59.000 Good New York and a happy Friday to oh you survivivors 13 00:00:59.000 --> 00:00:59.439 out there. 14 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:02.520 I will be broadcasting live because we approach. 15 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:04.200 The end of the world. 16 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.640 They say, we got three days that before Mother Nature 17 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:09.319 turns on us for good. 18 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:11.959 Ending our stay on planet Earth once. 19 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.000 And for all. A fond of role of film one 20 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:16.519 last project, my swan song? 21 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:18.359 Are you a photographer? 22 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:18.959 Tried to be? 23 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:20.159 What happened? 24 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.400 Civility is hard to maintain times like these. 25 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:26.879 I'm just gonna spend the next three days coming to 26 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:28.879 terms with what my purpose was? 27 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:31.040 What's that you keep him numb? 28 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:34.159 Until it's all, Oh, I got anything you need? That 29 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.159 a doctor prescribes. I was wondering if you could possibly 30 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:39.719 help me out, as there might be a way out 31 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:41.760 of this myth and I have half the money. 32 00:01:41.760 --> 00:01:43.000 You just need a little bit of help. 33 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:44.560 I'm not giving you the money. 34 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.079 What about kicking or she's got no place to go? 35 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:50.040 Don't worry about my big brother. 36 00:01:50.560 --> 00:01:52.439 I take care of him. He doesn't take care of me. 37 00:01:54.400 --> 00:01:58.879 Nixt gone. They broken and took him. 38 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:01.640 They said that the black for the money said they 39 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:04.959 expect me to pay out. Who's Nick involved with? 40 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:08.360 If you give these guys trouble, you'll started nothing until 41 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.159 I see your dead go home? 42 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.120 He can't. 43 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:14.039 What the hell is going on? 44 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:17.719 They followed you, they are. 45 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:21.560 You've been a real torn in my side. 46 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.520 I have to find him. 47 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.520 If you will help me, I'll do it myself. 48 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:38.439 Just because civilization is gonna end doesn't mean that I'm going. 49 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:59.599 To Welcome to the Projection booth. I'm your host. 50 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:03.039 Mike White drew me once again? Is mister Ben Buckingham 51 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.599 did a all? We conclude a month of mostly Patreon 52 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:11.639 request with one from listener Pat Rabke. Exposure thirty six. 53 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:15.479 This is the thirty sixth entry in the Exposure series. 54 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.719 The twenty twenty one. Film was written and directed by 55 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.560 Mackenzie G. Morrow and stars Charles Udo as Cam, a 56 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:26.240 very appropriate name for a photographer. He's spending the last 57 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:29.400 three days left on earth by selling drugs and wandering 58 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:33.199 the streets of New York, running into a colorful array 59 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:36.400 of characters. We will be spoiling this film as much 60 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:38.639 as we perbasually can, So if you don't want anything ruined, 61 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.960 please turn off the podcast and come back after you've 62 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.560 seen the movie. We will still be here. So, Ben, 63 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.919 I imagine this was a first time watch for you. 64 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:48.039 It was. 65 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:51.319 Indeed, I hadn't come across this at all in my 66 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:57.719 letterboxed Wanderings just for the blurb and stoked my curiosity. 67 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:02.719 I didn't leave attracted to some of these more odd sounding, 68 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:07.400 maybe experimental, artistic leaning endeavors with a bit of genre. 69 00:04:07.520 --> 00:04:09.759 So I was like, yeah, yeah, let's check that out 70 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:10.439 and discuss it. 71 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.080 Yeah, this was a new one for me as well. 72 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.680 Since pat Radkey requested it, I said, all right, sounds good. 73 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:21.199 Let's track this one down. Not too difficult to find 74 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:25.680 out on DVD out there streaming. Definitely not a ton 75 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.279 of stuff written about this film, and in fact, I 76 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:30.560 found the reviews of this to be almost like a 77 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:34.199 warshot test, because it was very interesting for me what 78 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.160 the different reviewers were focusing on. Some of them were 79 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:42.879 focusing on the relationship of our main character with the 80 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.839 woman that he buns into in here. Some of them 81 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.959 were talking about the for lack of a better term, 82 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.319 the blue people that show up. Everybody seemed to focus 83 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.519 on different things, where I was just like, is this 84 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.319 the same movie? But yes it is. There are a 85 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:02.160 lot of different little pieces to this. Very much an 86 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.720 independent production, and you can really feel that as you watch. 87 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.079 This, probably like halfway through before my brain went, oh, 88 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:14.120 twenty twenty one, if not Lockdown film, then like just 89 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:19.240 after Lockdown, it's certainly more open. I think it probably 90 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.519 was like not quite full quarantine period. It looks like 91 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.040 it was a little bit after that because they do 92 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:28.720 move around quite a bit. It is not just apartments 93 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.319 or one apartment trying to fudge together a lot. But 94 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:36.319 there is a limited through limited cast, not like huge, 95 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:39.319 huge crowd scenes or anything like that, which can be 96 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:43.199 just being an independent film with limited resources, or it 97 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:46.879 can be that there's a pandemic going on. I think 98 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:51.759 it does fold into that kind of not exactly a genre, 99 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:55.959 what do we call it? The patch of cinema that 100 00:05:56.079 --> 00:05:59.920 happened in that era and obviously reflects quite a bit 101 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.279 of what people were feeling and thinking at that time. 102 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.920 Not a lot of optimism, but not exactly a pessimistic 103 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:12.839 film either, walks a middle ground between the two and yeah, 104 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:17.360 very definitely. Like I've worked on a number of micro 105 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.079 budget films and small productions and things, and so there 106 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:23.079 was a lot here that I was just like, ah, yep, 107 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.800 I can recognize with what you were going through. 108 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:29.240 So we should talk about the conceit of this film. 109 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.480 The name of the film is Exposure thirty six. And 110 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:35.439 for people who may not remember actual film Snapshots with 111 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:37.240 the Family Holiday. 112 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.240 Goodby Goldbee taken on Holiday Goodbee snap snap green green, weak, weak, nuge, 113 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:42.199 nudge say an the more. 114 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.040 They used to come in rolls of what twelve twenty 115 00:06:45.079 --> 00:06:48.279 four to thirty six. And our main character Cam finds 116 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.879 an unexposed role of film and a safe and he 117 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.199 decides during these last three days on Earth because there 118 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.759 is some sort of what is it, It's going to 119 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:02.279 be some sort of like ecological disaster that is about 120 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:05.240 to happen and everybody is going to die in three days. 121 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:10.480 While he is undergoing this last few days. There's a 122 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:12.519 quote at the beginning where it talks about how the 123 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:14.800 world is going to end, and the calendar is going 124 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:17.000 to read Monday. So I'm guessing this is all taking 125 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:20.720 place over a weekend, and during that time he is 126 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.240 using those last thirty six exposures of this role of 127 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:28.360 the film, and that's our conceit going through. Here is 128 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:32.040 him taking photographs, and then also this whole idea of 129 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.959 this being three days before the end of the world. 130 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:38.279 Now have to say that I don't know how the 131 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.519 world's going to end, and I don't know how people 132 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.639 are going to be, but it feels like if we're 133 00:07:44.720 --> 00:07:47.680 three days before the end of the world, it's going 134 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.920 to get really crazy. As opposed to this, which is 135 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.040 very much like The Quiet probably the most quiet apocalypse 136 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.360 that I've ever seen, other than maybe The Quiet Earth 137 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:04.399 New Zealand film from Jeff Murphy director also a free Jack. 138 00:08:05.120 --> 00:08:06.839 That's right. There is a title card at the beginning 139 00:08:06.920 --> 00:08:09.680 that says Friday, so we are spending the weekend here. 140 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:11.279 I don't know there is a Saturday. 141 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:13.759 There's a Saturday one. I now, I can't think that 142 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.839 the might have been a Monday one. I'm not sure. 143 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:18.399 I think that was one of the complaints in one 144 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.319 of the reviews that I read was there's no title 145 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:23.800 card for this and also you don't see all thirty 146 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:26.480 six exposures, and I'm like, okay, dude, relax. 147 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.199 I was tempted to count the exposure as I just 148 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.319 looked there. It was part of me out of the 149 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:33.240 first year that was like, will they've actually be thirty six? 150 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.799 The second viewier is like, nah, I reckon, there's thirty six. 151 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:37.919 I don't need to Canada, I trust you. But there 152 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.120 was definitely a Friday and a Saturday title card because 153 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.720 the Saturday one is when John coppin to Esque School 154 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.440 suddenly dives in where was Sunday? 155 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:48.720 Where I left Sunday? And I told him and he 156 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:53.399 didn't believe me. What they don't make Sunday? 157 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:53.879 Why not? 158 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:59.279 Because of God? Yeah? I really like the score. I 159 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.679 think the score is probably the strongest element of this 160 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:05.159 entire film. It just really curious stuff. For one, because 161 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.440 it's not fast moving by any stretch of the imagination. 162 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.679 It's ninety minutes and you feel every minute going by. 163 00:09:13.519 --> 00:09:16.360 Yeah, and it feels like it's very much inspired by 164 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.720 certain filmmakers and their scores. Jeff Nichols feels like a 165 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:25.919 big shadow cast over this film takes Shelter especially, but 166 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.480 the school doesn't feel like it's just riffing or borrowing. 167 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.000 It does feel like somebody was like, oh, I love that, 168 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:35.519 it was great. I think they can make it work here, 169 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.559 and they do that. It does work quite strongly for 170 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.720 the film and keep it moving along and feels in 171 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:46.159 a lot of spaces that the lower budget can't really do. 172 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.639 Even though it is quite a recent film, just the 173 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.000 very short amount of years between its release and now 174 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:57.120 have not helped it much because, as you said, it 175 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:01.960 is very quiet apocalypse. There's not really like a high 176 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:06.639 level of insanity on display or chaos or disintegration or 177 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:11.240 any of these things. It's very personal, very like reserved 178 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:16.480 and enclosed, and that maybe might have felt like a 179 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:21.120 possibility back in twenty twenty one, but even with COVID 180 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.799 and everything, but as we have seen just in the 181 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:28.279 Last of An America, it's not gonna look like this 182 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.080 ninety nine percenty of population is dead or gone, which 183 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.080 the film doesn't explicitly or state or suggest in any 184 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:37.960 way other than the quietness. Yeah, it's going to be 185 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:44.600 like absolutely insane, and so it does. It feels much 186 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:49.080 more anachronistics than maybe that could have Otherwise. 187 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:53.080 Every day is a lot louder than this film moreover 188 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:58.919 be and I'm curious about when money would lose its value. 189 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:03.320 A weird three days before the end of the world, 190 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.399 our main character, Cam is going around taking photos, but 191 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:08.679 he is primarily, as I said in the beginning, is 192 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:12.600 a drug dealer. He's still asking for money, and I'm like, why, 193 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:14.879 what is going on? Why would you ask for money? 194 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.360 I can understand pevling drugs, and I understand wanting drugs 195 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:22.480 before the end of the world. I've been wanting drugs 196 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.960 since twenty sixteen around here, and thank god Michigan is 197 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.440 legal now, because you need something to take the edge 198 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:32.840 off of the insanity that's going on out there. So 199 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:36.159 one of the first people that we meet is a 200 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:39.879 guy who's pretty treaked out and wants to buy a 201 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.600 whole bunch of drugs, and his buddy is laying on 202 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.840 the couch just completely zonked out, and I'm like, yeah, 203 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:47.799 I can see a lot of people zonking out before 204 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.000 the end of the world. But I just don't know 205 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.519 why you would collect money for things if the whole 206 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.919 thing is going down to the drain in a few days. 207 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.600 See that that did actually make sense to me, and 208 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:02.639 I think they do actually address it a bit in 209 00:12:02.679 --> 00:12:05.519 the film, because they do have a point where it's, oh, 210 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:09.080 there's a there's possibly a bunker, and you need money 211 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:09.879 to get in there. 212 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:11.559 And you've got money, don't you know. 213 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:16.639 There's two aspects which make it like seem normal to 214 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.120 me that that would keep going. 215 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.000 And one is the like, well, if. 216 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:26.159 If something did come along, if some group was trying 217 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.080 to hold together and keep the monetary system going, then 218 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:32.720 it's I'm not saying it's not delusional. 219 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:33.759 But it's it is. 220 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:37.440 I do believe that it's like, oh, it's paper, it's light, 221 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.600 it's easy to hold on to it just in case 222 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.039 for a rainy day, if that rainy day requires some 223 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.279 kind of monetary system, if people are going to offer 224 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:48.519 him money and give him money, yeah, I'll just suck 225 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:50.960 this up. And also, like, after if you've said your 226 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:52.879 whole life poor, then why not you get to be 227 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:56.519 like role playing some rich kind of power thing for 228 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.600 the last couple of days like that kind of works 229 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:02.240 for me, which also into that it's like money is 230 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.919 such like a totem, and such a totem that is 231 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:11.039 tied to so much sickness and mental health failures that 232 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:14.200 it's like our ability to let go of it is 233 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:17.120 going to take a little time. It's like a knee 234 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:19.960 jerk reaction kind of thing. Like it said, it's something 235 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:22.639 that you do if you were like sleep walking, you'd 236 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.480 still be like, oh yeah, money, thank you, because we 237 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.559 had how everything functions and it's ground into our absolute marrow, 238 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:31.120 much to our detriment, So I can see that's still 239 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.200 being like something that continues on. 240 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:34.919 There were quite a few nice. 241 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.399 Little bits here that I felt worked that I felt 242 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:39.519 really believable to me. 243 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:44.519 There was like the kind of somewhat subtle, not subtle. 244 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:49.120 Aspect that the underground market was still functioning while the 245 00:13:49.159 --> 00:13:51.000 above ground market had failed. 246 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.159 That it's wait, you've got beer, Like where did you 247 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:55.039 get beer from? 248 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:58.559 But it's like, oh yeah, illicit substances, Oh yeah, here 249 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:01.960 have something this listen substances everywhere. 250 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.840 To go forward was like beer, where's the beer? 251 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:09.080 And it's like yeah, yeah. The corporate aspects of society. 252 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:12.799 The market that is official and sanctioned is like completely collapsed. 253 00:14:13.120 --> 00:14:14.360 Well everybody else. 254 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:16.639 Is, oh yeah, I know were used to like not 255 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:19.039 having access and having to figure it out for ourselves. 256 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.519 I like that. I thought that worked really well. 257 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:24.440 No, I agree with that, and it reminds me of 258 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.879 we talked last year about Panic in the Year Zero 259 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:31.080 and the way that a nuclear bomb just hit La 260 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:36.120 in that movie and people are just scrambling and yeah, 261 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:40.279 jacking up prices and it becomes this huge struggle and 262 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:44.279 fight for everything. Even just as part of our research 263 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:46.799 for Spirits of the Air Gremlins of the Clouds, this 264 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.159 whole idea of again the world's going to end kind 265 00:14:50.159 --> 00:14:53.360 of thing, and people are just going absolutely batshit and 266 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.240 just buying as much as it can and having problems 267 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.720 around getting gas on all these things. So it is 268 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:03.120 a different way of doing it where it is so 269 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:06.799 much more quiet and just this kind of like very 270 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:12.000 meditative thing. I like these little moments where our main character, 271 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:14.960 and again I don't know if it's drug induced or 272 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:18.080 if he just is having these hallucinations or if there 273 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:22.080 is something actual otherworldly, because we are introduced to this 274 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.480 idea of these blue people. Basically these scenes that are 275 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.879 shot with a very strong blue light, and it's usually 276 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.600 people that have died. I believe it's maybe can't be 277 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.000 his granny, but somebody's granny we see right off the bat, 278 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.879 and then later on we see character named I believe 279 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:48.919 it is Ed, who's Montgomery Morrow, the director's brother. Though 280 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.639 I have watched this film multiple times now and it 281 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.919 is really not good. That we're introduced to Nick, who's 282 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.399 played by Nick Smithson pretty close to the beginning. He's 283 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.759 that tweaker guy I mentioned. And then we're introduced to 284 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:09.039 a character named Habi who's Jennifer Lee Whitehead, and we 285 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.279 see her quite a bit. She basically becomes the love 286 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:17.159 interest the damsel in distress ish in this movie, so 287 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.120 we see her associated with Nick because we see Nick 288 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.639 and then we see her right away. Later on we 289 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.559 see this guy Ed, and then we see her right away, 290 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:28.759 and I think she might be Ed's sister. And both 291 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.960 Nick and Ed have facial hair, so I think they're 292 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.799 the same person. Every single time I watched this movie. 293 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:38.399 Did you get a chance to watch that little short 294 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:39.159 film I sent you? 295 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:39.879 Modern Man? 296 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.039 Holy shit, that was hilarious. 297 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:45.440 How good is it. I can't believe everybody's saying it. 298 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:48.360 And I think the guy who's the laid in that, yeah, 299 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.279 John Reynolds. He also wrote one Man, I recommend everyone 300 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:54.679 out there look up Modern Man twenty twenty three, starring 301 00:16:54.840 --> 00:17:00.840 John Reynolds. It's wonderful, beautiful, amazing short film. That's pretty sure. 302 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.720 It's a New York film what I remember. 303 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:07.279 And Yeah, there's a character in Exposure thirty six who 304 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.039 the whole time he's on the screed, I could not 305 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.119 stop thinking about this short film that he looks a 306 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:14.240 bit like John Reynolds, and I just imagined that he 307 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.400 has the same life off screen as the short film 308 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:21.559 Modern Man. Edg's the drug dealer, but he's a wee dealer, 309 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.279 not a prescription dealer. Hence whoy our main character is 310 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:27.680 coming to him to give tell him the prescription drugs. 311 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:32.279 Nick is Katie's brother, so they are two separate people. 312 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:36.680 It's Nick who we see early on as a spirit 313 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.880 the ed I don't think we ever get to see 314 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:42.319 as a spirit because. 315 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:43.720 He doesn't die until much later. 316 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:45.880 Oh so he does come back. 317 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:46.640 See. 318 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.799 I kept mixing these characters up completely, and it's so 319 00:17:50.000 --> 00:17:52.799 dumb because they're both just white dudes with beards, and 320 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.039 I'm like, they look identical to me and I couldn't 321 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:56.880 figure them out. 322 00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:57.559 Oh wow. 323 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:00.720 Obviously one of them is his brother, the writer director 324 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.480 editor's brother, and the other ones clearly like a mate, 325 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.640 and they have done other short films together. So I 326 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.359 think it's like, unfortunately, when you want to cast your mate, 327 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:14.160 your family, and they all look like they're related, it 328 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:18.440 is somewhat of a difficulty, but they are very So 329 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:20.720 we meet Nick and Katie together. 330 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:23.359 Actually we meet Katie a little earlier on. 331 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:28.160 In the street because she was coming out of Ed's. 332 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:31.039 She was around Ed's house, and then we meet her 333 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.480 again with her brother Nick, who's the one who's looking 334 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.559 for the bottle opener and losing his shit and he 335 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.440 has the beer. And they clearly come from more well 336 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.960 off background, nice apartments, nicer clothes, all that kind of thing. 337 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:51.480 And then Nick disappears and cam our main protagonist, Cam 338 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.720 sees him in his apartment, in Cam's apartment as this spirit, 339 00:18:57.119 --> 00:18:59.200 and yeah, they are lit with a sort of blue light, 340 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:02.880 but they also have a fiery blue iris instead of 341 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:07.440 a human iris anymore. They're transcended in some way, and 342 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:11.440 there isn't a big suggestion that Cam is partaking of 343 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:16.240 his own stuff. I think that we learned that he's background, 344 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:18.759 that he has some sort of relationship with. 345 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:20.960 The word. 346 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:22.720 I don't think of what the word is that they 347 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.119 use with a teacher of his who was a photography 348 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.000 teacher and was supposed to be helping him get into 349 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.240 that world, and it didn't work out, and she died 350 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:37.519 of a drug overdose. With some people in the filmplies 351 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:41.319 of suicide, some people just it's just an accident. So 352 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:44.920 I think that we can read that he is selling 353 00:19:45.000 --> 00:19:47.759 these drugs, but maybe not part taking of them because 354 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:49.200 of that negative experience. 355 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:50.519 We never really. 356 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:52.839 Learned what the drug was that she overdose films so 357 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:55.039 that you could even read into it that he is 358 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:59.119 very specifically like that I'm selling the prescription drugs to 359 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:02.559 be trying to help people like He definitely explicitly says 360 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:05.039 that he thinks that his purpose is to be helping 361 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.319 people to smooth their way through these final days by 362 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:15.039 checking out, which is very interesting and powerful and complicated 363 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.279 because it's okay, there is a positive there, but also 364 00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.240 feels like a bit of a cop of not dealing 365 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:24.519 with anything and not confronting it of just exiting, and 366 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:30.920 especially given you can't say that a prescription drugs would 367 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.359 be a better option, given to our America has been 368 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:38.240 dying from opioid crisis of prescription drugs for US then 369 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.920 twenty years. So it's like a real complicated like mess there, 370 00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:44.960 which the film like kind of lays out, but it 371 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:46.839 doesn't really try to address or anything. 372 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.039 But there's some expositioning moments. 373 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.519 Here that do irritate me a bit because they feel 374 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:54.079 like stuff where they didn't have faith in the audience. 375 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:58.240 But the film never actually really stops for any actual expert. 376 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:04.559 There's no Philoso advising all anything much really, which in 377 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.200 some ways is a plassen in some ways is the minus. 378 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.559 It's it doesn't it's good because that stuff you can 379 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:12.039 get really early bogged down in. But also it just 380 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.079 does mean that if you want to get something out 381 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:16.519 of this film, you do need to watch it a 382 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:17.559 couple of times and. 383 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:19.839 Put the pieces together yourself. 384 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.920 And I don't think that is done in a way 385 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:28.160 that is very rewarding. It's good, it's cool, it's good, 386 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:31.440 but it's it's not oh wow, this or that. It's 387 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:35.759 not it's not especially rich text, but it is there 388 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:42.079 and it is putting forward some interesting ideas, but the 389 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:44.440 character stuff it is, it is a little confusing on 390 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:47.519 the first go round of who's who and why they're there. 391 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:50.799 The character ed the drug dealer is he's got the 392 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:53.160 easy part. He gets to be the slightly odd ball, 393 00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:57.000 wacky guy. He's having fun. He has I will get. 394 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.960 I gotta say like his suicide note absolutely one of 395 00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:03.359 my favorite suicide notes in cinema. 396 00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:05.160 It's that that they pull it up and it's kind 397 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:06.799 of scrawled. 398 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:09.359 So badly and you hear the actor readiot or the 399 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:10.440 voice already. 400 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:13.880 Okay, yeah and match. 401 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:16.119 It fits everything we've learned about this guy and is 402 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:18.480 beautiful and tremendous because he's been in most of the 403 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:19.680 film trying to kill himself. 404 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:21.359 He seems to be like, oh, I went down. 405 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.920 To the Fourth Street bridge throw myself off, but there's 406 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.640 so many people there, like it's real cute. Yeah, so 407 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:29.599 he's come back, but he just seems to keep going 408 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:31.519 off to drying himself and it's like things get it 409 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:33.359 the way and he comes back. It was like the 410 00:22:33.400 --> 00:22:35.000 film really needed more of him. I feel like we 411 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.319 needed to step away and split and go follow him 412 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:40.960 for a bit and see like he's weird journey day. 413 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:43.960 Yeah, because there's not a lot of lovity otherwise, like 414 00:22:44.039 --> 00:22:45.599 Cam is pretty durn serious. 415 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:50.640 Yeah, he's a very reserved character and we don't get 416 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:55.079 much of him, which is very unfortunate. I was fascinated 417 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.839 when I looked into the actor. Now I wasn't sure 418 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:03.079 how to pronounce his last name. He said Charles Uda. 419 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:05.759 I said Uda, Yeah, could be something else. 420 00:23:06.559 --> 00:23:11.799 So he's Kenyan and I actually it wasn't until the 421 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.839 last act of the film that I suddenly was like, oh, 422 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.039 that's not an American accent. Watching it a second time, 423 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:20.519 I was there was a couple of times like okay, yeah, 424 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:23.240 I can hear the intonation is different, And for a 425 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:25.079 second I thought British and I was like, oh no, 426 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.720 that's the Yeah, that's English that comes from a British background. 427 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:33.079 But that's that's an African accent and African intonation in 428 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:35.319 the way of speaking English. 429 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:36.519 And I looked it up. 430 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:40.200 There he's a Kenyan born actor who's actually quite famous 431 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.599 in Kenya that was in a very popular soap op 432 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:49.039 fora called Macbutano Junction and has done a lot of 433 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:53.119 stuff and also unfortunately died on the sixth of February 434 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.000 and twenty twenty four, which was always exactly two years 435 00:23:56.039 --> 00:24:00.000 today when I watched the film, very young. Very unfortunate, 436 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:04.519 because he's very good. Without him, I'm not sure that 437 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:05.759 this film would hold. 438 00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:07.039 Together very well. 439 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:11.680 It's He's does bring a real strong grounding, lived in 440 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:16.720 performance that I think is a bit limited by what 441 00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:21.079 the film is doing. But he definitely does very good work, 442 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:24.480 and I do wonder if they maybe reduced how much 443 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:28.079 he was talking because of trying to make him not 444 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:31.799 appear like he's like he make him seem like he 445 00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:36.759 was an American, which is something I'm do find quite 446 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:41.599 irritating about the film. It didn't need to be an American. 447 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.599 There's nothing actually in here that makes it meaningful that 448 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:51.000 he is from America. You've got this talented international actor 449 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.200 with this whole background and everything, then take. 450 00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:57.440 Advantage of it. Let his boy speak. 451 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.319 He does cover the accent very well, but as I said, 452 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:05.279 I don't think that's to the positive outcome. I think 453 00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:07.559 it would have been a much more interesting film to 454 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.400 have this person who is so far from home in 455 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.079 this place, in a place which is the far from 456 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:19.799 home for many, many, many people. It offers up so 457 00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:23.920 much more possibilities for ways to engage in ways to 458 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:25.920 look at the city and see the city. 459 00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:26.640 Through different eyes. 460 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:29.480 And one of the first people we meet is a 461 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:33.440 homeless woman who has such a brutal Australian accent. 462 00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:36.920 Oh yeah, yeah she does. And I was like, random 463 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:38.160 Ausie woman on the street. 464 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:41.640 Yeah, I can't remember, we've talked about this previously, but 465 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.759 that's the accent of the Australian accent that I think 466 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.920 American's more familiar with because it tends to be what 467 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.519 the accent from New South Wales sounds like more, which 468 00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:53.839 is where a lot of filmmaking happens from one a 469 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:55.839 lot more international filmmaking happens. 470 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:58.359 So that's the accent people know. Ah yeah, Ozzie. 471 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.119 And I was like versus the lower down end where 472 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.599 I am wait a bit more chill. But even that, 473 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:07.559 you've got another foreigner there and stick with that person. 474 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:12.680 Have these two people from like totally different places, both 475 00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:19.039 colonies of England, and explore that. And instead she's just 476 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.000 like beef bit at the beginning, and then we see 477 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.640 her dead later and her spirit and he cuts in 478 00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:28.160 these two shots of her before as if we don't 479 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.559 know who she is, And that was one of the 480 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.079 bits that was like like visual exposition was like have 481 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:36.680 some faith in your film and your audience. This person 482 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:37.880 we did know who she was. 483 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:42.079 Yeah, she wasn't a white guy wearing a beard, yes, 484 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.039 and being obnoxious because I think his whole search for 485 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:49.200 the crook screw where he's losing his shit. It just 486 00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.279 felt very ed like to me having just met ed 487 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.519 maybe not even five minutes between seeing these two characters, 488 00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:00.359 and I'm just who are these guys now? Yeah, thinking 489 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:01.359 they're one and the same. 490 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.640 Yeah, I did catch some hints of some Jersey accents 491 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:07.519 I think in here as well, So I feel like 492 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.119 maybe the background is a bit Jersey, that they're drawing 493 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:14.440 on some personal experiences of Jersey guys there. But I 494 00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:16.880 don't know huge amounts for that other than like from 495 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:22.359 cinema and random podcast. But that's yeah, Charles Uli, he 496 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.960 does a really good job. Seems like an interesting dude. 497 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:27.920 When I was just looking him up, there was lots 498 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.519 of stuff. The only place I could see anywhere that 499 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.480 they talked about how he died was lots of random 500 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.359 YouTube clips, And I'm just like, I'm not clicking on those. 501 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:38.799 I think that's probably. 502 00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:42.559 Not anything anybody needs to watch because everything else was 503 00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:45.440 just like very quiet. But he seems like there was 504 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.720 an interesting fellow there. I saw that he did some 505 00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:52.920 voiceover work on a documentary about an intersex person in tenure, 506 00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.440 I think, which apparently is quite good and is available 507 00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:59.119 on YouTube called Sydney and Friends. So I do I 508 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.039 wonder what he stored where he was. I wonder he 509 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.759 was he stuck in America during the COVID things or 510 00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:08.519 was he trying to break out there. Yeah, there's an 511 00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.160 interesting figure there, and I'm glad we've at least got 512 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.839 something like this a bit to see what could have been. 513 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.440 Some of the acting in the film is a bit rough. 514 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.920 It's not terrible, it's just amateur. It's just people who 515 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.200 aren't really used to film. I don't think there was 516 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:29.680 I did see quite a few comments on letterbox and 517 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:32.480 people really ripping into the acting, and I really. 518 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:33.440 Didn't think it was that bad. 519 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.039 I think those people need to watch more bad acting 520 00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:39.920 than they would bad acting. I thought, was it a 521 00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:44.160 Jennifer Lee Whitehead who plays Katie, that she was pretty good. 522 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.720 There's definitely potential there. She is quite young, was the thing. 523 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:50.839 I was like, Oh, I didn't catch that so much 524 00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:54.440 the first time around. They mentioned this is being in 525 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.359 Australia and not being as familiar with certain aspects of 526 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.440 American culture. That he says when they're just gus and 527 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:05.200 talking about not finishing school, and Cam says, oh, yeah, 528 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.519 I was a college job out and she says high 529 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.200 school and I was like, wait, that's. 530 00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.880 Googling the difference. What is the age of high school 531 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:14.519 in America. 532 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.039 It was like, high school here would be yeah, like 533 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.759 thirteen to eighteen nineteen or something, which is about the 534 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.680 same for America. So the implication there is that she 535 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:25.200 is hopefully eighteen. 536 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:26.640 Yeah. 537 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.319 That was something that I was like, Okay, I'm it 538 00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.480 is a film which made me remember how tired I 539 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.799 am of heterosexual cinema that it's just oh, yeah, we've 540 00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:39.319 got to have some sort of damsel in distress and 541 00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:42.160 she needs to be protected, and she also needs to 542 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.440 spend almost entire film in a boob tube kind of 543 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.599 top in no bra. I don't think that part worked 544 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.599 at all. And I thought she was quite good. I 545 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:56.599 thought their friendship was quite good, that it offered up things, 546 00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.279 but once it turned into oh no, there has to 547 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.880 be some sort of antagon is narrative that that stuff 548 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.839 was just like, we didn't need this, This wasn't the 549 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.000 path to go down to fill out your film. 550 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:12.880 That whole lot that you're talking about that comes so 551 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.160 late in the film too, there's a lot of this 552 00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.599 film that feels like a one crazy night type of 553 00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.279 a movie, like a like an After Hours or even 554 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.720 I suppose Miracle Mile would be a more apropos thing 555 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.759 where you know that the world is going to end 556 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:32.279 and you're talking about like how you have to watch 557 00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.519 this film a few times to really pick up on 558 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.400 what's going on. One of the things is that there 559 00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.599 is a radio at the beginning that starts talking about 560 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.319 this mayoral race and how there's this racist piece of 561 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:49.079 shit guy who's running for mayor, and so obviously twenty 562 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.640 twenty one, we're definitely talking about Donald Trump, Garrison, New Yorker, 563 00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:57.480 all this kind of stuff, and that really doesn't enter 564 00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.799 into the picture until when forty fifty minutes into it, 565 00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:05.000 if not, more like it really comes late and then 566 00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.880 becomes like the driving force, whereas it feels like there 567 00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.599 should be there's the quest of taking these photographs, but 568 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:17.279 there's no other quest that he's on throughout this until 569 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.079 suddenly it's I have to find nick I has to 570 00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.920 find Katie's brother kind of thing, and that I think 571 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.839 it's literally forty minutes into the film when he comes 572 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:31.519 over and finds her completely beaten up and she's got 573 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.519 blood on her hands and just something bad has happened. 574 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.680 It just feels really shoved in there. For me. 575 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.799 Yeah, it did feel shoved in there. 576 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.920 It is trickled a bit, as you said in the 577 00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:45.680 radio is talking about this guy, but the way he's 578 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.359 trickled in is like the most basic way is that 579 00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.119 we have this image of it's like a circle with 580 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.279 a bird in black silhouette. 581 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.799 Oh, we even get an iris in on that card 582 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:01.720 when he goes over to the woman's place, Lulu, the 583 00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:05.440 Dalisa Reynolds character, and he sits down and that card 584 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.599 is on the table and man or man, did it 585 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.400 take me a while to spot that? A few after 586 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:12.400 I watched this the second or third time, then I 587 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.079 was like, Oh, that's what they're pointing out, and like 588 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:19.400 literally like irising in on that table and this tiny 589 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.680 little card, and then I was like, oh my god, 590 00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:22.559 very subtle. 591 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.480 I know, like at the moment where we're like got 592 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.000 all the Epstein stuff coming out, it's like these people 593 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:32.039 are not subtle about anything, these like networks of blah 594 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.240 blah blah. But my god, this company, these drug dealer, 595 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:39.400 this mayor is just he's not hiding the fact that 596 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.480 he has this bird picture everywhere. Like he's his gumba 597 00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.799 henchman has a sorry said a racial stir. Anyway, he's henchman. 598 00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:49.680 He's hedgeman. 599 00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.559 Has a tattoo of it on his hand which looks 600 00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:54.680 a bit more like a speed bump for the angle 601 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.200 that was shooting. And I was like, no, wait, I 602 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.160 think it's meant to be the bird. They've got it 603 00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.920 on their matchbox for the club, it's emblem for the club. 604 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.319 It's on the baggies for the drugs they're sally. 605 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:07.079 It's like, guys, like, I, okay, someone one of your 606 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.279 henchmen went to Good Marketing PhD. 607 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:09.920 And like. 608 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.599 He needs to calm down and stop snorting coke and 609 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.640 marketing your drug business the same as your bar business 610 00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:22.039 and everything else. That was like so on the nose 611 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:28.279 and just guys, you clearly maybe just either not thought 612 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.960 about this or never actually spend any time around these 613 00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.799 kinds of people, Like, it's that's not how it works 614 00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.559 at all, And it just feels real shoe hauned in 615 00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.599 and yet is somehow the way that they're trying to 616 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.920 make it. You're less shoehorned in once they shoehorned the 617 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.519 fill of pot. Yet it's okay, you flubbed this so 618 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.519 much so I almost appreciate it. 619 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:50.880 It's so silly. 620 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:53.079 It feels like they could have done that a lot 621 00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:55.720 more better, just by having like another character come in 622 00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.519 who is supportive of this. Dude, there's nothing of anything 623 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.960 that we never get. It's just this total alien thing, 624 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:02.720 which you could even make something of. 625 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.359 That that the. 626 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:08.320 Blue Can spends so much time in whole groups of 627 00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:12.559 people who aren't supporting it from Donald Trump or it 628 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.920 was the there's the other there is the actual awful, 629 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.679 most recent evil New York mayor the one who was 630 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.320 trying to run again, the one if you lost to 631 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.360 Man Daney. Yeah, I think it may be meant to 632 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.920 be more that, But yeah, I feel like there's definitely 633 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.199 like ways that they could have folded that character in 634 00:34:30.679 --> 00:34:34.199 better and made more of it. And it certainly is 635 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.440 one aspect that basically has like the past previous couple 636 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.679 of years have backed up the film that there would 637 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.199 be just random rich slum lord psychos who would be like. 638 00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.559 No, we're still like I've still got to be mayor 639 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:47.519 in the Apocalypse. 640 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:53.360 We're so running this this this whole mayoral campaign and okay, great, 641 00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:55.000 that was Eric Adams. 642 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.000 No, I no, they was the Derek at the Republic, 643 00:34:59.119 --> 00:34:59.840 classic New York. 644 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:00.920 Can't narrow it down. 645 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.000 Eric Adams is the one who would be the funniest 646 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.239 man on earth if he wasn't like part of the problem. 647 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.159 No. No, Eric Adams was the guy that was may 648 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.400 or before Mandamie. And he's the one that he. 649 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:17.960 Didn't run against him. He's oh Cuomo pulomo, there we go. 650 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:18.960 You know this guy. 651 00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.159 This guy's definitely got cuomo vibes. 652 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:25.039 Yeah, because Eric Adams he had that whole like bribery 653 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:26.840 and all that stuff. Because I remember that was one 654 00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:31.280 Mandami's first things was to like anything that this guy 655 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.400 put through over the last eighteen months were just rescinding. 656 00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:37.679 If you haven't looked up some of the Eric Adams stuff, 657 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:41.159 I'd lie that is the funniest shit. He's New York 658 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:43.239 is the Athens of America. 659 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.639 New York is the Buddhapest of America. Oh man, the funniest, 660 00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:51.159 weirdest dude and tail. I admit that. 661 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.199 Coming around and watched this for second time, I was 662 00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:57.440 dreading the last act of this film. Like on the 663 00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.320 first viewing, the last act just rubbed me wrong in 664 00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:05.000 so many ways, for just the things that I'm really 665 00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:08.880 tired of with low budget independent filmmaking, where it's just, oh, 666 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:12.639 this is what we're doing. This is the same old 667 00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:16.800 done this a million times, and it's like it's just 668 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:18.719 can you do anything good with it? 669 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.199 Have you got something up your sleeve? 670 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.880 It's not really And I will admit, like on the 671 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.079 second go round, I actually I think I enjoyed the 672 00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:30.119 second half a bit more than I enjoyed the first 673 00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.320 half the second dog, which I wasn't expecting like I 674 00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:34.559 thought it would be the other way round. And part 675 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:39.280 of it was just being in that independent space added 676 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:45.719 clearly being like people in your sphere or connected family, professional, 677 00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.119 semi professionals, whatever, and you're pulling them in and I 678 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.079 enjoy I did, actually like enjoy hit the weird kind 679 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:58.119 of touches of humanity that came through because of that, 680 00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.280 it was it free pass them too quickly. But the 681 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:04.639 stuff that the two henchmen who he sees in the 682 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.280 car and then later he like smacks one of them 683 00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.159 in their head pretty badly and we find out that 684 00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:14.880 he died overnight from that injury. And the which is 685 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.440 that actually is like, Yeah, you get a solid concussion 686 00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:19.800 and you don't get a health treatment because A it's 687 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.079 America and b it's the apocalypse. Yeah, you're going to 688 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.079 die in your sleep. You don't don't go to sleep 689 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:26.519 if you've been smacked in the head with a big 690 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.679 heavy lamp. That's your health advice from Projection through the podcast. 691 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.599 But there's there was a there was a real humanity 692 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.199 that kind of came through there between the two henchmen 693 00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:40.880 and the way his buddy who survived reacted, and it 694 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.039 didn't bleed through to anything else, like the evil Mayor 695 00:37:44.119 --> 00:37:46.880 dude didn't give a shit. There were just facts to him. 696 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.079 But there was like these little bits and pieces there 697 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:53.480 that felt true that they did feel they were coming 698 00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:56.480 from somewhere that it's funny. I just watched the film. 699 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.280 This is a random film that I found for this. 700 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.440 This is Australian company, like two companies called like Flashback Entertainment. 701 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.800 They put out like stuff that nobody cares about. And 702 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.039 so twenty years ago, instead of being on to be 703 00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:13.559 Exposure of thirty six probably would have got released through that. 704 00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:17.360 There's so many of those kind of films that just 705 00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:20.519 nobody would care about that they chuck together themselves that 706 00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.280 they've probably got a small deal with some like agent 707 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.440 and got sold whatever. So we watched this film recently 708 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:30.079 called The Drop from two thousand and six. It's directed 709 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.599 by Kevin Lewis, who would go on to do Willie's Wonderland, 710 00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:37.800 The Nicholas Cage Bo five Night of Freddy Film, and 711 00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.280 Pig Hill, which I've heard quite good things about recently. 712 00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.119 Some guys been working away in like very low budget 713 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.039 indie stuff for a while and somehow some sort of 714 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:51.320 broken through recently, and The Drop and Expose thirty six 715 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:55.400 actually have a lot of things common. They very small scale. 716 00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.440 The Drop definitely leans a bit more and it's like 717 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:02.000 thriller genre tropes than this one does. But there's like 718 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:06.079 a bit of a fantasy sci fi element that comes 719 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.599 in later on in this to do with water universe 720 00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:14.599 kind of stuff. But there's it's like very much like 721 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:20.480 the young bloke who's confronted by these slumlord mafia guys, like, 722 00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:23.320 just do this job for us, so don't ask any 723 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.440 questions at all, be fine, and of course he like 724 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.760 goes against that. It is actually funny how much they 725 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:32.239 were similar but opposite ends of the spectrum, because where 726 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:36.519 exposure thirty six feelers and I think you said he 727 00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.400 is taking inspiration from a film like April four Hours, 728 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:43.119 four forty four, Last Down on Earth. The drop is 729 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.320 Garantiedo plus run all of Run and Run all of 730 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.199 Run takes up like seventy percent of that. Like the 731 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:53.679 whole film is editor just like what is this pounding 732 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.960 like late nineties, early two thousand, dech no thing, and it. 733 00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.639 Just go absolutely balls of the wall for most of it. 734 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:04.119 And the job also wasn't like a great film, but 735 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:06.920 it just went for it a lot more and it 736 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.119 was more, yeah, let's just do crazy stuff, have some 737 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.480 weird things. Definitely helped it be more by having John 738 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.400 Savage and Sean Young being you bad guys like they 739 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:19.519 like half they sleep walking through it and bringing a 740 00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.039 lot It's. 741 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.960 Funny that you bring up Brunlola Run because when he 742 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.880 starts taking those photographs, I noticed that the photographs don't 743 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:30.039 necessarily line up to the same angles or anything like. 744 00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.920 They definitely took the photographs later. It's not like they 745 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.599 took these pictures from the actual film and just like 746 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.519 black and whitified them during out the color of those 747 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:44.440 kind of things. It's but whenever he takes a photograph 748 00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.320 and the whole kind of movie stops for a second. 749 00:40:47.800 --> 00:40:51.199 I so thought of those transitions from running low the run, 750 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:56.239 where you see the potential future history of people, and 751 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:59.920 then bringing up Tarantino is also very apropos those two henchmen, 752 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.800 and I totally was thinking of like Tarantino people. Moreover, 753 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.800 I don't know how similar our ages are. I think 754 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.840 you a little bit younger than me, but you probably 755 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.639 lived through that entire thing of Once Reservoir Dogs came out, 756 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.800 everybody was like, I can make a cheap gangster film. Moreover, 757 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.000 once pulp fiction came out, it was I can make 758 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:26.000 a cheap gangster film. Some of them were decent, but 759 00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:30.239 for every I don't know, one decent one, there were 760 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:34.519 probably a thousand shitty ones that most likely didn't even 761 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.599 make it any place other than some kid's basement kind 762 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:41.400 of thing. There's a VHS tape shove somewhere in some 763 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:46.360 box in somebody's basement, which was my gangster film nineteen 764 00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.480 ninety six type of thing. And yeah, I was thinking 765 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:51.559 of that when it came to those two thugs where 766 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.719 it was just like, oh, they're fighting, like the two 767 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.519 henchmen in to shoot the piano play or something, and 768 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.199 it brought me back to that, but. 769 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:02.480 Not really in a good way. 770 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.159 Yeah, I just said, like the fact that it's like 771 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.400 culturally specific, I think saves it a little bit. 772 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:10.920 That it does feel. 773 00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:14.719 It doesn't feel as shoe horned in because it is 774 00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:19.360 that kind of New York slumlord. These are his henchmen 775 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.679 that worked, and they didn't lean too heavily on it. 776 00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:24.039 But yeah you can't. 777 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:26.519 Yeah, as you said, for people of a certain age, 778 00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:31.320 you lived through a certain VHS hera. You just hit 779 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:32.880 that stuff and just like start twitching. 780 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.119 Yeah PTSD flashbacks. 781 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:38.960 Yeah, you still see those henchmen hanging around in things 782 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:44.599 like the Equalizer series with Denzel Washington. Okay, yeah, oh 783 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:47.320 here's the funny one. Oh here's the serious one. Oh 784 00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:50.440 he's got the Russian accent. Going back to what you 785 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:54.039 were talking about with our main character being an immigrant, 786 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.000 literal immigrant to our shores works when it comes to 787 00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.800 this whole idea of the Trump's stand in mayor character. 788 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.599 By the way, those scenes with the Trump stand in 789 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.480 they so remind me of The Departed whereas or or 790 00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:12.960 like the one where Johnny Depp played the Whitey Bulger. 791 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.719 It's like student film Whitey Bulger type of Hey, our 792 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.480 main characters are a black guy and a woman, and 793 00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.599 had he been an immigrant, I think I would have 794 00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:28.199 hit probably even harder, because we are just all about 795 00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:30.599 let's kick all the immigrants out of our country. 796 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.960 It does take like these stands in some places by 797 00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:36.320 having his slumlord as a villain, that's us. But otherwise 798 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:40.280 it feels like it's trying not to talk about anything 799 00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.519 to which detriment there was. 800 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:45.880 Let's see if I can blind it. 801 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:48.039 And I was doing this brief bit of rummaging on 802 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:52.119 some other apopolytic kind of things I did find this 803 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:57.400 quote was from Christopher schra It's The American Apocalypse. 804 00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.440 Orsese's Taxi Driver. 805 00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.760 As the film constructs and debunks the conventions of various 806 00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.360 film genres, it provides not ideological criticism, but the ahistorical 807 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:12.920 and fatalistic vision of apocalypticism. This apocalypse is catastrophic and 808 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.920 non revelatory since alternative concepts and reality are beyond consideration, 809 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.320 which I think actually like really gets to like the 810 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:26.000 core of this film that it is actually very emblematic 811 00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:31.079 of this period in history. There is no alternative ideological construct, 812 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:36.239 there is no alternative possibilities. It's just a very fatalistic 813 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:40.320 even like down to that. There's want to talk about 814 00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:44.760 the spirits again a little bit, but the way it's 815 00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:47.920 presented is just, oh, it's just this climate catastrophe kind 816 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:54.320 of thing. It's just biology, science, environmentalism. There's no There's 817 00:44:54.360 --> 00:45:00.599 a little line about how it's or human like activity 818 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.159 has helped to beat all this, but there's no there's 819 00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.199 nothing else. It's like we've been said on this path 820 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.280 and it's going to happen, and there's no pushing in 821 00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.320 any direction, and there's no arguing, there's no grandstanding. It's 822 00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:18.639 just this fatalistic we're in the apocalypse and that's it. 823 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.679 And I don't think the film does anything with that, 824 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.119 but it is emblematic and it is very representative of 825 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.880 this period and the kind of fatalism that is really 826 00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:33.199 grinding the gears off of people and communities and society 827 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:37.159 at a all. I am grateful that the film doesn't 828 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.960 necessarily try to be more than what it is. I'm 829 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:44.480 really grateful that there's no edge lord bullshit. I'm glad 830 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.239 there's not a psychopath or anything like that. That the 831 00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.519 villain is just a piece of shit, white collared douchebag 832 00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:54.920 that feels right and correct. And I praise him on 833 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:58.400 recognizing that that was like all the villain he needed, 834 00:45:58.719 --> 00:45:59.519 if he needed it. 835 00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.679 Really is the only question. 836 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:04.320 The most edge Lord I think we get is the 837 00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.679 ants that are in his office and how he has 838 00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.320 to pick up the ant to talk about the power 839 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:12.239 of the ants and all these kind of things. Okay, yeah, 840 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.519 here's your metaphor, all right, I gotcha. 841 00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:18.599 Yeah, but even that feeds into this like no imagination, 842 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:22.119 Like it's the most basic kind of metaphor that somebody 843 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.519 like that could reach for. It's so under looseid dating 844 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:30.599 other than about his psychology, and I did. One question 845 00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:35.719 I wanted to ask was do you think that the 846 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:41.199 rotation mark spirits that he sees a manifestation of optimism 847 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.360 in the film. 848 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.559 As far as they have made it to the other side, 849 00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.760 because there's that marquee that says, see you on the 850 00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:52.000 other side that we see during a little photo montage. 851 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.559 Yeah, and people will say that kind of thing, and 852 00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:56.880 they'll talk about there being more, but we do seem 853 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:01.519 to have an actual manifestation of proof that there is 854 00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.599 some other side if they are not a patient or anything. 855 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.000 Because I don't find the film to be pessimistic. There 856 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.320 is dash of optimism in there, as this is the 857 00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.719 kind of a back door and I don't know. 858 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:16.760 How I feel about that. 859 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.119 That it's interesting and I, yeah, what do you think. 860 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.159 I think that is very very intentional. I think that 861 00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:27.320 these spirits are showing us that there is more. And 862 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.039 I think that's also and I hate to go back 863 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.840 to this, but this whole idea of the whole Ed 864 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.760 versus Nick thing that I was having problems with is 865 00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:42.960 because we don't necessarily see Nick die. We just see 866 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.000 him alive, and that we see him again as a spirit, 867 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.079 and then we're supposed to think that he has died. 868 00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:50.599 And by the way, when they're doing the spirit of facts, 869 00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.679 I love the eye thing you mentioned that before. I 870 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.519 absolutely love what they're doing with the eyes and especially 871 00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.599 that they are blinking, so you see whatever they're doing. 872 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:03.320 I don't know if they're animating those in or what 873 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.800 they're doing, but the blinks really add a lot to it. 874 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.039 And yeah, it's like we see we never see him dead. 875 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:16.480 And then when Ed enters back into the film later on, 876 00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:19.599 I was like, oh, Nick's actually not dead. 877 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:20.599 Here he is. 878 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.960 Or whoever this character is ed Nick guy? But yeah, no, 879 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.039 I definitely think that they're showing us that there's hope. 880 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:31.559 And I think the very first one that we see 881 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.199 it that's about the old lady, I think I'm led 882 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.440 to believe that she might have committed suicide just from 883 00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.960 the way that she's set up. And then yeah, his friend, 884 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:44.559 the Australian woman, she dies from violence. You can see 885 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.480 the blood around her. But yeah, she's there looking on 886 00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.719 and we can see her give him a look, and 887 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:55.440 I'm like, Okay, yeah, it feels like, not necessarily like 888 00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:59.039 he's being looked over. You know that there's an angel 889 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:01.679 on his shoulder, but that they have moved on to 890 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:05.199 a new plane. Because that last shot of the film 891 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:09.400 is probably the most apocalyptic that we get. They're on 892 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.880 the train, they're leaving, he takes this last photograph and 893 00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.119 then we pull out from the train or tilt up, 894 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.280 and we see the smoke coming from all of these buildings. 895 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:24.400 But then we also see this massive cloud front coming 896 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.719 in from the right side of the screen. And it's okay, 897 00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:30.239 I think that's it. I think that is going to 898 00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.719 be coming in here and wiping us off the face 899 00:49:33.760 --> 00:49:38.280 of the earth. But having had those visions, I agree 900 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.400 with you, just give us a glimmer of hope. 901 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.239 Of course, there is the possibility that that is him 902 00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:50.000 not necessarily hallucinating, but him convincing himself that it's okay. 903 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.800 Because I said, we never actually see that Nick is dead. 904 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.960 He is visited by this spirit that is Nick with 905 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.920 the eyes who talks to him and tells him such. 906 00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:04.480 But is that like he's because he's keeps trying to 907 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.920 convince Katie that your brother is dead, you need to 908 00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:11.079 like let it go. And his basis for that is 909 00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.840 the visitation, So it could just be him he's like 910 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:18.360 trying to convince himself that there's more that that these 911 00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:23.360 people are just dead, that they do go on to 912 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:27.599 something else, and also as a way to your brother's dead, 913 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.400 Like I know, because I think he actually says that, 914 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.440 but yeah, there is a suggestion in the what Nick 915 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:37.519 says when he visits him that he may be in hell. 916 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:40.719 Like the way he talks does have us like a 917 00:50:41.599 --> 00:50:42.599 like that it's bad. 918 00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:43.639 Down here or something. 919 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:45.639 I think it is a good title to talk about 920 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:50.679 some other films that clearly have inspired this because first, 921 00:50:51.079 --> 00:50:53.360 like I've got to say that the I think that 922 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:57.960 the lady, the elderly lady who he sees at the beginning, I. 923 00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:59.239 Think that's his landlady. 924 00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:03.679 Oh because when he's standing at the door buzzing, can 925 00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.480 see he's holding an envelope and it says not Rent 926 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:11.320 in big letters, and it feels like really blatant, like 927 00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.840 how to Oh, we're not communicating properly who this is. 928 00:51:14.920 --> 00:51:17.840 Wait if we write Rent on the envelope. I was like, well, 929 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:18.239 I got it. 930 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:18.800 I saw it. 931 00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:20.519 I think I think that's what I was meant to get. 932 00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:23.599 I think that's meant to be his landlady, and that's 933 00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:26.519 what that is. And part of them What made me 934 00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:31.920 think that more is that you mentioned that the Mackenzie, 935 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:36.400 a big inspiration for this film, was able for hours 936 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:40.000 for forty four Last Day on Earth and watching that film. 937 00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.719 You can see how they're very different films in a 938 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:48.400 lot of ways, but you can feel how he's reshuffled 939 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:50.400 the deck a bit, that there's a lot of elements 940 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.960 that they have in common and he's moved them around 941 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.360 in different ways and that like that. In that film, 942 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.840 Wilonderfoe's character very specifically yells at his like shitty landlord 943 00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.000 kind of looks a bit like the mayor guy this 944 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.199 And I was like, I feel like it's New York. 945 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.559 If you're gotta be riffing on an apel for our film, 946 00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:08.719 you're gonna have a little land for. 947 00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:09.519 One moment here. 948 00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:13.039 But in this one it seems positive more than negative. Yeah, 949 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:15.519 that was just those kind of cubits. Baby, I think 950 00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.760 she's the lamb lady. I think that's what the deal is. 951 00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:20.079 I think we should probably take a little bit of 952 00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:22.519 a break and we can hear mister Morrow talk about 953 00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.880 his inspirations for this one, and we'll be back with 954 00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:30.639 that right after these brief messages. Fear comes Home. Nowhere 955 00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:35.480 is safe. Prepare to scream Buy or rent Scream seven 956 00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:40.159 on digital now. It'll be a killer time looking for 957 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.079 something superior to streaming a place with more than five 958 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:47.239 times the selection available on all of the streaming services combined. 959 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.400 Check out Scarecrow Videos Rent by Mail service. Select from 960 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:54.800 an unparalleled collection of over one hundred and fifty thousand 961 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.679 films and get Blu rays, four k's and DVDs delivered 962 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.440 directly to your door. Get in on it now at 963 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:04.679 scarecrow dot com and rediscover the wonders of physical media. 964 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:10.079 Can you tell me how you got involved in show 965 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.280 business and entertainment. 966 00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:16.159 It's something I always wanted to be a part of. 967 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:20.320 It's what I grew up doing. Like so many filmmakers, 968 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.239 they grew up making movies with their friends and their 969 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:26.159 siblings and stuff like that. And that's what I always 970 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.960 wanted to do. And I always knew I wanted to 971 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.960 direct and write and make my own movies because that's 972 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.639 why I spent so much of my childhood doing. And 973 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.559 I always tell the story. One of my favorite films 974 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:43.480 is The Shining and when I used to watch it 975 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.159 on TV, there's a famous shot where you see the 976 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.119 helicopter shadow, and I always said I wanted to be 977 00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:52.440 the guy in the helicopter shooting it. Years later you 978 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:56.039 find out that Cooper was not in the helicopter. So 979 00:53:56.119 --> 00:54:00.239 I went to college. I thought filmmaking was a pipe dream. 980 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.320 I started doing pre laws stuff, and then my senior 981 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:07.159 year I realized I could not do any more school. 982 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.239 So right when I got into New York, I started 983 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.440 working and was a pa as a runner, getting any 984 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.639 job on set I could, and that slowly led me 985 00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:21.679 into editing, and now I do that professionally. And during 986 00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:25.000 all that time I've been writing and producing our own 987 00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:28.840 shorts and finally the feature. That's how we got to 988 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:30.119 exposure thirty six. 989 00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:33.159 Let me about some of your shorts? What are those like? 990 00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.679 When things weren't really like going away, I wanted to 991 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:41.400 New York. I had a friend who was moving to Sydney, Australia. 992 00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:45.239 So I was stuck and I said to him, I 993 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.679 wish I could just pick up my bags and do 994 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:49.440 the same thing, and he was like, why don't you 995 00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.199 just come with me? So I went to Sydney and 996 00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.760 I took some film classes and got the one oh 997 00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.599 one of filmmaking that the hands on experience as opposed 998 00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.199 to stuff if you see secondhand or you see from 999 00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.840 a distance on set, or stuff you read in books. 1000 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:11.119 So there I made a science fiction short film called 1001 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:14.320 Duration of Stay. When I got back to the States, 1002 00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:19.079 my brother, who is a collaborator of mine, we put 1003 00:55:19.119 --> 00:55:22.840 together a heist comedy called Dan's Plan, and then we 1004 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.840 did another short, and we did two other shorts. One 1005 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.199 was called Red Mosquito, which was a zombie horror movie, 1006 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.679 and then the final one we just took a camera, 1007 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:35.639 went out and filmed something quickly that we never really finished, 1008 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.280 but just to see what we could put together in 1009 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:44.119 a day. And so that led us up to twenty seventeen, 1010 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:45.960 I think, and at that point we were just let's 1011 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.320 start writing this feature, getting the script in good shape 1012 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:53.719 to shoot. It's funny we actually started with another one 1013 00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.800 and then we rewrote that and we said this, We're 1014 00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:58.920 not going to have the budget for this, so we 1015 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:02.079 picked up Explosuire thirty six again quickly rewrote that and 1016 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.760 then we went out to shoot shortly after that. 1017 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.159 Where did the idea for Exposure thirty six come from? 1018 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.639 My first influence for that movie was four point forty 1019 00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:14.760 four Last Day on Earth by Abel Ferreira, And what 1020 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:16.719 I liked about that was that it was an end 1021 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:18.679 of the world movie, but it didn't feel like it 1022 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.960 necessarily because everybody's going about their business and at one point, 1023 00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.320 like he orders Thai food and then I think there's 1024 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:28.480 some discrepancy about the how they're going to tip him 1025 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.119 or something. And I just found that so fascinating that 1026 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.360 you could have such a high concept and do it 1027 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:35.760 on such a low budget. Now granted they had willing defoe, 1028 00:56:35.880 --> 00:56:39.880 but I just thought that was so interesting that something 1029 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:43.719 so catastrophic can be approaching, but people will just be 1030 00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:47.719 going about their day business as usual. Work through a 1031 00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.199 certain extent in a car crash and slow motion where 1032 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:54.119 you could see problems coming up, but we're not really 1033 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.280 addressing them. So I thought I just compressed that into 1034 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:02.559 a weekend. Basically, they approach as these people approach a Monday, 1035 00:57:02.599 --> 00:57:05.519 which nobody ever likes to but no one ever likes 1036 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:08.400 to start the week. Then to shorten that and make 1037 00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.320 it give it the similar ideas. So that's where I 1038 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.840 got the idea. And then I was a big fan 1039 00:57:15.400 --> 00:57:18.519 in the mid twenty and tens of Take Shelter by 1040 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:22.119 Jeff Nichols, and I liked when I read interviews with 1041 00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:24.320 him how he spoke about how he just took that 1042 00:57:25.239 --> 00:57:28.000 he took anxieties he was having as becoming a father, 1043 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:30.559 and I think he was dealing with someone in his 1044 00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:34.000 family who had mental illness, and I thought that was 1045 00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.519 a good metaphor for what I was dealing with at 1046 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:38.679 the time and the anxieties I was dealing with about 1047 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:41.840 not having enough time to get what I wanted to 1048 00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.800 get done. That's how we came up with the whole premise. 1049 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:48.800 How did the whole feature come together? Once you said, Okay, 1050 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.079 this is what we're going to work on. 1051 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.480 It was kind of like we had the script we 1052 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.000 just said. I mean, it took a long time for 1053 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.199 us to cast. It took like almost a year to 1054 00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:00.800 get all our cast in order and all the pre 1055 00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:04.159 production and everything, so it was like a slow build. 1056 00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.599 But we really just did not have any money whatsoever. 1057 00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.239 We went into production. We thought we would be able 1058 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:14.199 to cobble together more and we basically we had nothing. 1059 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:19.599 So everybody was working at been a moment and we 1060 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.159 just went out and shot it in twelve days, and 1061 00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:28.719 we did a crowdfunding campaign on the back end to 1062 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:31.159 help us raise money to either pay back what we 1063 00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:35.159 had done during production or to finish it, and we 1064 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.079 ended up raising forty thousand dollars to help us pay 1065 00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.360 for some stuff during production finishing and then for film 1066 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:44.480 festivals and stuff like that. 1067 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.000 He said that it took long time to cast. This 1068 00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:49.559 why such a long time. 1069 00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:54.199 One way to approach casting, especially with a project, is 1070 00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.159 just to put it on backstage and have everybody submit 1071 00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:02.519 their headshots and resumes and all that stuff. But we 1072 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.440 just weren't finding what we needed, and so we started 1073 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:12.599 finding other avenues of finding actors. A Katie Jennifer Lee Whitehead, 1074 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.800 the lead actress she was at Nyu n Yu was 1075 00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:18.679 one of the programs. I emailed and I said, who 1076 00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:21.880 are some of the actors that you have that are 1077 00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:27.159 graduating the spring, and so a lot of them just said, Heykes, 1078 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:29.599 just send me the casting call and I'll put it 1079 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:31.880 up for them. And so we ended up finding a 1080 00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:35.679 lot of people that way. But Charles was like through 1081 00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:38.199 an acting group that we had gotten in touch with. 1082 00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:41.199 But it's not especially when you're working a full time 1083 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.880 job Monday through Friday and you're only working on the weekends, 1084 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.320 getting people to come in and audition for each role. 1085 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:53.119 Is it was basically one full day for each role. 1086 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:57.639 That can take weeks at a time when you're only 1087 00:59:57.679 --> 00:59:59.920 doing it on a Saturday or Sunday and stuff like that. 1088 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:03.800 And then we had a production designer drop out last minute, 1089 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:07.239 so that pushed us. And it's just when you don't 1090 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:10.960 have the resources and the money, it's good to I 1091 01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:15.039 something that my time in Australia taught me was it's 1092 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.840 good to do all the prep you could possibly do 1093 01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:21.079 going into it. I did all my own storyboards, did 1094 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:24.239 all the shot lists, broke down the script like this 1095 01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:27.440 sounds like a No Brander stuff, but it's amazing how 1096 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.840 many people actually don't do that. So we wanted to 1097 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.079 make sure that we had some everything to fall back 1098 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.519 on so that we were ready when we were on 1099 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:37.960 set and stuff like that. So it took a long time. 1100 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:39.960 Was the shot on locations. 1101 01:00:40.199 --> 01:00:44.960 There's one set at the final scene with Curry that's 1102 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.400 a set, but yeah, other than that, it's all location. 1103 01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:49.920 How did you find those? 1104 01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:55.679 A lot of apartments that we were just friends of 1105 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:59.599 ours Ham's apartment is actually me and my now wife's apartment, 1106 01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:02.880 or she was my wife at the time too, So 1107 01:01:03.760 --> 01:01:06.480 I told her to get out for the weekend. Didn't 1108 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.840 really tell her how extensive the shooting would be. Trash 1109 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.039 the place, it's all like cigarettes for a week after. 1110 01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:17.480 But but yeah, and then there was Nick's apartment the 1111 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:20.559 beginning as this beautiful view and it's got these huge windows, 1112 01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:23.760 and someone just happened to say, Hey, my mom has 1113 01:01:23.760 --> 01:01:25.800 this great apartment. Why don't you guys come shoot at it? 1114 01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:29.199 And we got it for free. And then on the 1115 01:01:29.239 --> 01:01:32.519 streets and stuff, it was just running gun any place 1116 01:01:32.679 --> 01:01:36.599 we could find to shoot. We took advantage of it. 1117 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.199 How did you keep moving and just driving yourself forward 1118 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.000 with something like this, Because I know that making a 1119 01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:48.239 movie is not easy, especially you're making it, like you said, 1120 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:52.079 on weekends. It sounds like it's all from poverty. It's 1121 01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.119 not like somebody's handing you a big old check and 1122 01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.840 be like, here you go, Mackenzie, go ahead, make this 1123 01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:57.679 big old movie. 1124 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.480 I think we were just so driven. It's hard to 1125 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:04.000 think about the motivation that we had to make this 1126 01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:07.280 at the time because it's so it took so much 1127 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:11.400 energy and I just don't have that. I don't have 1128 01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:14.000 the energy to say right now, I'm going to go out, 1129 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.320 I'm going to cast all these roles, I'm going to 1130 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:18.639 crew up and then go out and shoot this thing 1131 01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.679 with no money. It just seems like it's bizarre, but 1132 01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:24.400 it was a world wind. We were just like, this 1133 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.400 is we had. We created a really good schedule, We 1134 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.639 knew exactly what we're shooting when we were shooting it 1135 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.159 on what day, and we just went into it head first. 1136 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.880 Literally did not stop. Like I didn't. We never watched 1137 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.039 dailies at the end of the day because we didn't 1138 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.440 want to get hung up and be like, oh this, 1139 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:44.239 we got to go reshoot that. There was talk at 1140 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.599 one point that we would only do one take per 1141 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:51.000 per scene, but that didn't end up happening. But it 1142 01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:53.920 was really just like just go out and just bang 1143 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:57.840 it out as efficiently as possible, and if we hit 1144 01:02:57.920 --> 01:03:00.480 a snag or something, it's like, just keep going and 1145 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:03.480 we'll figure it out. It's just a product of being 1146 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:07.880 a little younger, a little dumber maybe, but yeah, it 1147 01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:09.400 was really just go, go, go. 1148 01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:11.599 I mean a little bit about your crew. 1149 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:17.519 My younger brother, he played Ed in Exposure thirty six, 1150 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.719 did a lot of it as an actor and starting 1151 01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:24.519 a lot of the shorts as well, so he was 1152 01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.639 a good collaborator to have bounce ideas off when we 1153 01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:32.760 were firming up the script. And then I have a 1154 01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.880 great producing partner, Michael Paisano, who's a filmmaker and his 1155 01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:40.000 own right does a lot of shorts and he was 1156 01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:42.679 a great producer to help me get the ball rolling 1157 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.559 on this. Then we were lucky enough to bring in 1158 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:47.679 we had some sound guys we worked with who were 1159 01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:50.920 from Paris that we got connected with when we made 1160 01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:55.480 a web series years ago, so we use them. And 1161 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.239 then I needed a camera guy, but I was planning 1162 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:01.599 to shoot the whole thing myself, and then pretty much 1163 01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:03.760 a couple of weeks before production, I sat down with 1164 01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:07.280 a guy who had just graduated from film school and 1165 01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.320 I was like, Yeah, we need somebody to be the 1166 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:15.159 technical guy, who is what a dit camera operator? Guy 1167 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:18.360 who knows what lens to put on and stuff like 1168 01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:21.239 that so I can focus on the actors at those 1169 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:24.360 times and stuff like that. And we ended up just saying, hey, man, 1170 01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.960 you're the DP for this project, so let's go do it. 1171 01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:31.920 So we pieced it together, but primarily it was my 1172 01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.039 brother and my producing partner. We really got the ball 1173 01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:36.679 rolling with. 1174 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:39.880 Us three along with that initial shoot, and did you 1175 01:04:39.920 --> 01:04:42.280 have to go back for many pickups afterwards? 1176 01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:45.480 We did, so we did twelve days twelve straight days. 1177 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.440 Maybe we had a day off somewhere in there. But 1178 01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:54.400 and then once I started cutting it, I realized what 1179 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:57.920 I some things I was missing, so then that we 1180 01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:00.800 actually went to a studio for that too, And those 1181 01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:03.159 are a lot of like the flashbacks with his girlfriend, 1182 01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:07.480 there were some close ups we picked up or some inserts. 1183 01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:11.400 This was also all right before COVID, and then once 1184 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.599 we went into lockdown, there were still some things I 1185 01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:15.679 needed to pick up. So I was basically at my 1186 01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:20.360 in laws house like with my DSLR, like shooting inserts 1187 01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.880 every now and then I found an ant like outside 1188 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.159 on their deck, and I grabbed it and put in 1189 01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:28.559 a cup, and then the close up of him with 1190 01:05:28.599 --> 01:05:31.280 the ant and his fingers is just my hand, like 1191 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:34.840 at my in laws house during COVID. It was things 1192 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:36.920 like that we kind of had to stitch together as 1193 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:39.960 I went on, because, as you probably know, twelve days 1194 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:43.079 running gun, it's like you're gonna forget some things and 1195 01:05:43.199 --> 01:05:45.559 you're gonna have to do obviously some pickups as you 1196 01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:50.960 go along. Even though the shorts are a great way 1197 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.960 to learn your process, you can never really prepare yourself 1198 01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:58.320 for a feature, let alone a feature with no money whatsoever, 1199 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:02.679 and zero time like that. So because we've made ourselves 1200 01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:06.760 jacks of all trades, it didn't require us to do 1201 01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:10.559 these big elaborate reshoots on anything or put us in 1202 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:12.559 a position in post where it was like, no, we 1203 01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:15.639 got everything we needed. It's just like some texture was 1204 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.320 needed to fill in some spots. 1205 01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:20.599 But when did you actually cut this on? 1206 01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.000 I cut it up Premiere. At the time, I preferred 1207 01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:29.199 Avid Media composer, But when you have no budget and 1208 01:06:29.760 --> 01:06:34.360 you have to do everything in one program, I found 1209 01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:38.159 that cutting in Premiere Pro was most sufficient for us 1210 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.719 because I could there's a not to get too technical 1211 01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:42.440 with it, but there's a proxy feature where you can 1212 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.519 just turn off and on the raw camera file. So 1213 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.039 exporting a final was like a cinch. I mean it 1214 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:51.800 took time, but it was made it a lot easier. 1215 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:53.960 In Avid it becomes a lot more difficult to do that. 1216 01:06:54.039 --> 01:06:58.360 So what's your post process like? Are you constantly journey 1217 01:06:58.440 --> 01:07:02.079 out like little, here's my rough cut, get it looked 1218 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:03.440 at by some people, or. 1219 01:07:03.639 --> 01:07:05.599 I think I took a month off after we were done. 1220 01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:09.039 We shot in July and like the hottest summer, it 1221 01:07:09.119 --> 01:07:11.760 was like the hottest week of summer in New York 1222 01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:13.679 in like a few years. It was like one hundred 1223 01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:17.440 and ten degrees or something one of the days, and 1224 01:07:17.480 --> 01:07:19.400 it was just brutal, like all being stuffed in our 1225 01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:23.480 apartment trying to get the day done, but you're pumping 1226 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:26.039 the ac in between takes and whatever. I think I 1227 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:27.880 took a month off before I started editing, and then 1228 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.360 it probably took me a few months to get a cut. 1229 01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:33.239 I sat down with my brother and my producing partner 1230 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:37.039 and our DP and maybe one of our other producers, 1231 01:07:37.119 --> 01:07:40.280 and I showed them a cut. We were all pretty 1232 01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:43.320 happy with it, but there were a few things that 1233 01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:47.039 were we were bumping up against, and so it was 1234 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:51.519 just feeling out how we were going to those moments. 1235 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:53.960 The opening is something that sticks out in my mind. 1236 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.280 In particular. It was him in the apartment and then 1237 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:02.039 him meeting the homeless woman outside, and then I remember 1238 01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:03.480 I sat down, I was just like, we're going to 1239 01:08:03.519 --> 01:08:06.360 blend those two and just intercut. When I did. At 1240 01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:08.119 the time, it worked really well. If I'm looking at 1241 01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.559 it now, I'd probably changed some things. But that's a 1242 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:13.719 time that sticks out in my mind where it's just like, 1243 01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.800 how can we rework this in the edit to just 1244 01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:19.159 to streamline it a little bit. 1245 01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:21.239 How long did it take you to go through the 1246 01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:22.760 whole editing process? 1247 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:27.760 It was probably closer a year. Especially COVID, it was 1248 01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:31.600 like I think I had a assembly cut within a 1249 01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:38.159 few months, probably in November of twenty nineteen. And then yeah, 1250 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:41.119 I remember, like I said, I was still putting stuff 1251 01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.760 together and refining in during COVID and lockdown, and then 1252 01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:49.199 once I got back to the city to my apartment, 1253 01:08:50.119 --> 01:08:52.239 it was the whole finishing process. So I worked a 1254 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:55.560 composer to try to get something and that obviously takes 1255 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:59.119 some time, and then coloring and then going back with 1256 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:03.640 conforming the whole picture with special effects and stuff. So yeah, 1257 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.479 it took I think it took almost a year. 1258 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:08.760 What's the plan for you as you're trying to get 1259 01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:10.279 this thing to the finishing line? 1260 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.479 Yeah, so our plan the whole time was festivals, which 1261 01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:17.039 we've never had look at. So I said to my 1262 01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.159 brother at the beginning, I know exactly how this is 1263 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.159 going to turn out when we start submitting the festivals, 1264 01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:23.600 but right now, that's the best way to do it. 1265 01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:28.520 Or and five years ago it was so sent a 1266 01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.920 lot of emails to people hoping they could connect us 1267 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:35.359 with the right people or knew somebody at a festival 1268 01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:39.279 or whatever. We had an executive producer come on who 1269 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:42.560 just happened to come across the movie on IMDb and 1270 01:09:42.680 --> 01:09:44.319 was like, oh, I like the premise of this, Can 1271 01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:46.479 I see a cut? We're like yeah, sure, and he said, 1272 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.039 I'd love to come on as executive producer and I'll 1273 01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:51.560 help you try to get into some film festivals, so 1274 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:55.279 that was our goal. He eventually hooked us up with 1275 01:09:55.319 --> 01:09:59.439 the distributor, Gravitas Ventures, who offered to distribute the movie, 1276 01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:02.800 so that was pretty exciting. Not something we had expected 1277 01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:05.680 after trying to get the film into festivals during COVID, 1278 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:09.520 but we were really happy with that. So the distribution 1279 01:10:09.640 --> 01:10:13.199 model for inde bed of filmmakers is whatever, but it's 1280 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:15.199 better than nothing. It's better than especially when you have 1281 01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:19.479 your festival run is not as extensive as you would 1282 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:20.960 have like to it if to have been. 1283 01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:24.520 I remember it was very tough with the festivals and 1284 01:10:24.560 --> 01:10:28.199 everything moving online, and I know that it wasn't easy 1285 01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:30.880 during that time, even just as a film fan and 1286 01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:31.720 covering movies. 1287 01:10:32.479 --> 01:10:33.960 A lot of people were like, we're taking half the 1288 01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.439 movies we normally take and I was like, all right. 1289 01:10:37.199 --> 01:10:41.359 My thought was I had no idea COVID was coming, obviously, 1290 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:42.720 but in a movie about the end of the world 1291 01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:46.000 where people are like stuck inside, I didn't want to 1292 01:10:46.039 --> 01:10:49.399 push it to a year later where everybody else was 1293 01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:55.960 putting out movies expressing their anxieties and feelings about that time. 1294 01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:58.479 So I was like, now, like, do it now, because 1295 01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.760 by the time if we wait a year, it's just 1296 01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:03.960 gonna be like, it's another COVID movie. I thought we 1297 01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.199 were fortunate in that, like during our campaign we could 1298 01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:09.560 be like this is we shot some of this and 1299 01:11:09.600 --> 01:11:14.840 cut it during COVID and it's about this indirectly. I 1300 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:16.840 just really didn't want to wait a year to when 1301 01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:19.920 the festivals were like, oh, we're accepting more movies. Now, 1302 01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.560 we're programming more movies. But still, like I said, we've 1303 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.079 never had success at these festivals, so it's I didn't 1304 01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:27.720 want to I'm not putting all my eggs in the 1305 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:31.880 festival basket. We had another I went to Sci Fi London. 1306 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.600 I spoke to the head of the festival there and 1307 01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:37.520 he also was just like, yeah, it's a hard movie 1308 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:39.960 to program. And I asked him to elaborate on that, 1309 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.880 which he didn't. So I think it's a combination of 1310 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:45.600 those things like COVID, and then it's maybe a hard 1311 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:46.319 movie a program. 1312 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:48.720 I don't know, when do you finally get to see 1313 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:50.039 the movie with an audience. 1314 01:11:50.760 --> 01:11:55.640 Because it was COVID, we had plans to try to 1315 01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.439 get theaters take it on our tour because of the 1316 01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:03.560 composed who I worked with on this. He had done 1317 01:12:03.560 --> 01:12:07.840 something where he was reaching out to people communities in 1318 01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:11.880 classical music in different cities and then going there and 1319 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.239 putting on a show for people who were part of 1320 01:12:14.239 --> 01:12:17.000 that community, and he was getting a good attendance. So 1321 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:18.319 I was like, that's a great idea. I'm going to 1322 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:20.880 do that as well. And then we didn't like nobody 1323 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:25.159 was going to movie theaters. So the first time I 1324 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:29.159 saw with an audience was at London Sci Fi. I 1325 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.800 found out it got in and I was super excited 1326 01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:33.039 and I was like, I have to do it. Was 1327 01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:34.840 October twenty twenty one. I was like, I have to 1328 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.000 do this. I got to get out there. I flew out. 1329 01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:40.520 I got to the Film Festival. The place was packed. 1330 01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:43.439 I was like, oh, amazing, this is wonderful. And then 1331 01:12:43.479 --> 01:12:46.800 there was like a twenty four hour shorts competition that 1332 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.119 was playing in the adjacent theater next to mine, and 1333 01:12:50.159 --> 01:12:53.159 all those people were there for that, and I go 1334 01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:55.760 into the theater. It was like fifteen people, but it 1335 01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:57.840 was I was like, nice to see it on a 1336 01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:03.119 big screen. I had a afterwards. So to this day, 1337 01:13:03.279 --> 01:13:05.479 the most people I've seen it with is probably like 1338 01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:08.760 fifteen people. It's on a big screen, So it's a 1339 01:13:09.039 --> 01:13:13.439 it was a unique situation because of COVID, but it's 1340 01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:16.319 great to get to those festivals and screen it for 1341 01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:18.479 people who were interested in checking it out. 1342 01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:20.880 Well, once the film gets out their house. 1343 01:13:20.880 --> 01:13:24.199 That received If you look on ron Tomatoes, it has 1344 01:13:24.279 --> 01:13:26.960 some good reviews from critics. It got a good write 1345 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:31.760 up in the LA Times, It got recommendation in the 1346 01:13:31.760 --> 01:13:36.800 New York Times, It got some good write ups from critics, 1347 01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:41.640 online critics and stuff like that, and that was pretty thrilled. Again, 1348 01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:43.880 that was a huge process where we got a database 1349 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:49.039 of like every critic in North America and maybe the UK, 1350 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:53.520 and we just were writing emails every day, probably you know, 1351 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:56.199 twenty emails a day for a few weeks and just 1352 01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:59.399 trying to get anybody to review it. So we were 1353 01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.800 pretty positive. Like, obviously, you're always going to get some 1354 01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:07.359 reviews that don't really understand the vision or just think 1355 01:14:07.399 --> 01:14:10.479 it's just low budget crap or whatever. But we were 1356 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:14.279 mostly pretty happy with the response we got. So that's good. 1357 01:14:15.039 --> 01:14:17.760 After it's out and people have had a chance to 1358 01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.760 see it, it's out on DVD and all that, you go, Okay, 1359 01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:22.520 that's it, Time to make another one. 1360 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:27.560 I had mentioned that we had started originally on another project, 1361 01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:31.079 another feature, which is like a Bonnie and Clive like 1362 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:36.079 lovers on the Lamb movie. That always something, always what 1363 01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:39.039 I wanted to do, and so that was just lined 1364 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:44.039 up for whenever somebody said what's next. And so right 1365 01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:49.039 after we had finished and we got picked up for distribution, 1366 01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:51.960 I went right back to that script and I looked 1367 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.800 at it and I was like, all right, now it's 1368 01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:56.720 time to get started on this. I reread it and 1369 01:14:56.720 --> 01:14:58.239 I was like, well, this isn't going to work at all. 1370 01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:02.239 So I started from scratch again, rewrote that whole thing. 1371 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.039 The connections we had made during exposure thirty six, we 1372 01:15:06.119 --> 01:15:08.760 tried to build on those and build our network out 1373 01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:10.399 and see if we could figure out a way to 1374 01:15:10.439 --> 01:15:15.640 make this. But right now that doesn't seem like a 1375 01:15:15.680 --> 01:15:19.159 project that we couldn't find financing for it. So some 1376 01:15:19.279 --> 01:15:22.479 other projects that we're trying to put together now, so 1377 01:15:22.520 --> 01:15:23.960 we'll see how that turns out. 1378 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:27.239 And you said you edit to pay the bills. 1379 01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:30.760 Yeah, I was at a prost production house for a 1380 01:15:30.760 --> 01:15:35.800 few years and now I'm working freelance, mostly commercials. But 1381 01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:40.119 if I can get my hands on a film, short, feature, 1382 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:42.960 hy jump adept in it. But yeah, day to day 1383 01:15:43.000 --> 01:15:44.399 it's commercials. 1384 01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:48.399 You mentioned Abel Ferarra, You mentioned Kubrick to see the 1385 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:51.239 Kubrick book behind you. Who are some of your biggest 1386 01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:53.640 influences when it comes to actually making your own movies. 1387 01:15:54.640 --> 01:16:03.119 The big guys are Kubrick, Scorsese, Arkowski, then Vendors, and 1388 01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:06.720 then more recently, Me and my buddy always say we're 1389 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.319 early on board of Christopher Nolan, Like we remember we 1390 01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.800 were celebrating when he got Batman Begins, and now he's 1391 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:17.520 like obviously the biggest filmmaker in the world, So that's 1392 01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:20.359 more recent. I mean, you can name start to get 1393 01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:26.039 pretty cliche, but Cooprick and Scorsese are like my two 1394 01:16:26.039 --> 01:16:29.319 guys I always go back to always they're like comfort films. 1395 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:30.960 For me, so I can always turn on something and 1396 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:36.520 be happy and always try to learn from those movies 1397 01:16:37.319 --> 01:16:39.800 as much as I can, because I think those two 1398 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:45.239 guys are the masters. I'm probably forgetting somebody extremely vital, 1399 01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:49.039 but but yeah, those are the masters to me. 1400 01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:52.239 What's funny you mentioned all the different types of shorts 1401 01:16:52.279 --> 01:16:55.640 that you're doing, and you know, sci fi road movie, this, that, 1402 01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:57.319 and I was just like, man, this guy just hopping 1403 01:16:57.399 --> 01:17:01.399 genre's like crazy zombie movie, very much like Cooprick and 1404 01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:05.319 Schriss says, they are not slavish to one genre over another. 1405 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:06.000 Yeah. 1406 01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:07.880 I was kind of actually thinking about that the other day. 1407 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:10.760 I like, I was cleaning up my Vimeo and my 1408 01:17:10.840 --> 01:17:13.760 YouTube accounts and just to like clear up some space, 1409 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:16.920 and I'm like, oh, it's some of my shorts and 1410 01:17:16.920 --> 01:17:19.479 stuff around there, and I was like I just started 1411 01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:22.680 scrubbing through them and I was like, oh, these are 1412 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:25.760 all different genre, Like I tried different things every time, 1413 01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:29.720 and I was really happy that. I'm sure I've thought 1414 01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:32.479 about this before, but that's something I've always been interested in, 1415 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:34.960 just try something new every time. And when I start 1416 01:17:34.960 --> 01:17:40.039 to see repetition in my work even as I write, 1417 01:17:40.079 --> 01:17:42.000 like I'm writing all the time, and if I see 1418 01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:48.600 repetition in my scripts or something like that, repeated motifs 1419 01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:54.119 or or or repeating genres or whatever, it makes me uncomfortable, 1420 01:17:54.159 --> 01:17:57.960 so I try to Yeah, I guess I've tried to 1421 01:17:57.960 --> 01:17:58.239 mix it. 1422 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:01.000 Up as much as possible. A good place for people 1423 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:02.600 to keep up with you and your work online. 1424 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:06.680 I mean, my website is Mackenziemorrow dot com. I have 1425 01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:11.960 an edit account Mgmorrow Underscore Edit, and then Exposure thirty 1426 01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:16.239 six has its own Instagram page versus Exposure thirty six Film. 1427 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:20.560 I'm gearing up to put together a short, so I'm 1428 01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:24.479 hoping to have more content to put out that people 1429 01:18:24.520 --> 01:18:29.520 can follow and and keep tabs on. But for now 1430 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.920 it's just chipping away and trying to get pre production 1431 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.720 in a good place. I said to somebody the other day, like, 1432 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:37.640 if I can put up a canvas in my office 1433 01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:39.920 and just paint, it'd be a lot easier and a 1434 01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.239 lot cheap. But unfortunately that's not my that's not my 1435 01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:47.359 art form. So you keep chipping away, and it's it's 1436 01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:49.880 a it's a it's a need to do it, so 1437 01:18:49.960 --> 01:18:52.800 it's not like it's it's not really optional. So it's 1438 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:54.840 I'll do my best to try to get this one 1439 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.359 off the ground and we'll take it from there. 1440 01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:58.840 Well, mister Merrow, thank you so much for your time. 1441 01:18:58.880 --> 01:18:59.920 This is great talking with you. 1442 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:03.000 Yeah, I really appreciate him. Mike, thanks for checking out 1443 01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:18.920 the movie. I'm looking forward to hearing the episode. 1444 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:21.720 All Right, we are back and we were talking about 1445 01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.880 Exposure thirty six and yeah, before we took our break, 1446 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:27.640 we were talking about some of the inspirations. It took 1447 01:19:27.640 --> 01:19:29.600 a lot for me to watch four forty four Last 1448 01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.159 Days on Earth, just because I like a lot of 1449 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.199 able for our stuff. But when he's off, he's off 1450 01:19:35.439 --> 01:19:38.319 big time. So I never know when I'm gonna turn 1451 01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.520 on a film and be disappointed if it's enable for 1452 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:45.279 our film, because he's got such a particular thing. But 1453 01:19:46.159 --> 01:19:49.960 we got Willem Dafoe in this, and he is always awesome, 1454 01:19:50.039 --> 01:19:53.880 always elevates the material. Yeah, yeah, I would say he 1455 01:19:53.960 --> 01:19:57.800 always elevates the material. Like he's my favorite part of 1456 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.399 a lot of movies where I don't like the rest 1457 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.439 of the movie, like Autofocus, which I know is a 1458 01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:06.319 Paul Schrader and out of Ferrara, but his relationship with 1459 01:20:06.399 --> 01:20:10.159 both Schrader and Ferrara. I love that he works so 1460 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:12.800 much with those guys and just how well he works 1461 01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:14.600 with them. And I guess Lars find the Triers the 1462 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:16.840 next guy that works with the lot as well. 1463 01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:21.439 Yeah, I have a similar relation with Ferrara. I actually 1464 01:20:21.600 --> 01:20:25.000 have not seen anywhere near enough. I've been meaning to 1465 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.039 dive into that because he seems to have been doing 1466 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:30.880 some monstance. He definitely has been doing some really interesting 1467 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:35.359 stuff in the last ten years. When I missed him 1468 01:20:35.399 --> 01:20:38.520 in the nineties, like I he wasn't these films weren't 1469 01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:40.640 around much. I think I'd only seen Badly Tenant and 1470 01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:43.279 that was it, and I was so damped to yesterday 1471 01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.880 I just go and chuck Rilla Killer on im, like 1472 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:48.680 I'm having that kind of month where I just need 1473 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:51.640 to carve my head in with Driller Killer full volume. 1474 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:54.199 I think I think some of you out there will 1475 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.920 know what I mean. They have that experience of sometimes 1476 01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:57.560 you just need that. 1477 01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:01.960 And I have not seen I don't think any of 1478 01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:07.159 his twenty first century works. I think I've only seen 1479 01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:10.640 mostly nineties the Addiction Bad Lieutenant Now. 1480 01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:13.159 I missed forty five of course, and the eighties stuff. 1481 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.560 You'll like killing seventies and yeah, I was a little 1482 01:21:16.600 --> 01:21:20.199 bit like, okay, this is again, Okay, I'm going to 1483 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:25.560 go watch this another slow New Yorker Bok Clubs film, yeay, 1484 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:31.439 and I had a reasonably. 1485 01:21:30.279 --> 01:21:34.319 Powerful experience with it. That say that sounds like weird praise, 1486 01:21:34.399 --> 01:21:35.079 but I don't. 1487 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:38.880 I think that as a real I would not have 1488 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.239 the guts to make an apocalypse because I think something 1489 01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.079 that is like, right off the bat, you've got to 1490 01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:47.000 get over that hump that lots of people are going 1491 01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:47.880 to be going eh. 1492 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:48.960 I wouldn't do that. 1493 01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.079 If it was the last couple of days on Earth. 1494 01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.680 If you don't, if you don't have a propulsive narrative 1495 01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:57.079 that's pulling you along, and it's just kind of what 1496 01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.760 are we doing sitting around while we wait? Then you're 1497 01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:02.640 going to be starting to think I wouldn't do this. 1498 01:22:02.720 --> 01:22:05.520 I would do that. I think Farrara's film does a 1499 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:09.880 better job of individualizing the response that it is just 1500 01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:12.880 like how these people are responding, and so it does 1501 01:22:13.000 --> 01:22:14.439 cut a little bit of that off. 1502 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:17.359 I don't know that Exposure thirty six does that quite 1503 01:22:17.439 --> 01:22:21.880 as well. It doesn't necessarily do it badly. I've meant 1504 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:24.600 to mention before when you mentioned Miracle Mile in regards 1505 01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:28.800 to like the kind of heterosexual thriller plotting, Like Miracle 1506 01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:32.640 Mile works brilliantly with that because you enter into the 1507 01:22:32.640 --> 01:22:35.920 film and the plot runs past you and grabs your hand, 1508 01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:38.520 just goes quick, come with me, and you don't have 1509 01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:40.760 any time to think before you're just like bam, you're 1510 01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:42.800 in it and that's happening, and you're being pulled along 1511 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:46.800 by it. And Expose of thirty six just arn't do that, Like, 1512 01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.920 it's just not None of the way it's set up 1513 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.399 is ready to do that to do that, And I 1514 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:56.359 don't think that's necessarily a negative against it until it 1515 01:22:56.439 --> 01:22:58.479 tries to have some kind of filler plot. 1516 01:22:59.079 --> 01:23:01.600 Barrara's film very much does not have a filliplot. 1517 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:03.439 It is just to hang out. 1518 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:04.600 The world is empty. 1519 01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:09.600 It's so super twenty eleven, like the beginnings of digital 1520 01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:12.800 really taking over. And yeah, I saw a lot of 1521 01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:17.359 people online being like wow, Abril Barra made a twenty 1522 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:20.159 one COVID lockdown film in twenty eleven. 1523 01:23:21.039 --> 01:23:23.920 It could almost be a play that it is so 1524 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.800 stuck in one location throughout so much of it. The 1525 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:31.920 way that he like sneaks into the other apartment at 1526 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:34.840 one point, but for the most part and it's just 1527 01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:38.640 in that one apartment we see the painting that's being 1528 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:42.439 created and things as Okay, yeah, like you said, it 1529 01:23:42.479 --> 01:23:45.399 felt like a lockdown movie without being a lockdown movie. 1530 01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:48.920 There's ear in the house with this other person who's 1531 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:52.439 super focused on this one thing really intensely. Well you're 1532 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:54.600 just kind of the other person's just like off in 1533 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.159 the other space, just doing something really danse like just 1534 01:23:57.279 --> 01:24:00.439 leave it, do it, like it, absolutely like it. 1535 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:02.800 It's ahead of its time in that way. 1536 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:07.039 But my response to that is, ah, man like, existentialism 1537 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:11.520 has always been lockdown, even before there were computers that 1538 01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:14.560 was like existential was like livered the lockdown. 1539 01:24:14.920 --> 01:24:16.079 That's half the point. 1540 01:24:16.960 --> 01:24:19.800 And yeah, Paraar's film is definitely much more of leaning 1541 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.840 that sort of French existentialism than exposed at thirty six, 1542 01:24:24.520 --> 01:24:30.880 But it is they do make interesting companion pieces more 1543 01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:34.399 about like filmmaking, I think, and choices that people make 1544 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:37.680 in the way that works inspired than perhaps on a 1545 01:24:38.640 --> 01:24:42.159 thematic level. There's some of the things that they do 1546 01:24:42.239 --> 01:24:45.119 have in common, and we sees that were oral borealis 1547 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:48.600 in or four Forward is very much. That seems to 1548 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.560 be some sort of manifestation of what is happening as 1549 01:24:51.600 --> 01:24:52.159 the world ends. 1550 01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:55.560 In exposure of thirty six just happens. 1551 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:59.119 Yeah, you've got al Gore on the TV right off 1552 01:24:59.119 --> 01:25:01.000 the bat, so I'm just like, Okay, this must be 1553 01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:03.720 some sort of ecological crisis going on. 1554 01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:06.880 Yeah, like they do say in four for four, that's 1555 01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:11.039 that the ozone layer or the atmosphere is disappearing, But 1556 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:13.760 it's essentially just it's going to evaporate at this time 1557 01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.479 and that's it, which I think is actually a really 1558 01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:21.279 good like explanation because it's, oh yeah, it would. You're 1559 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.680 essentially then just in space, so there is possibilities that 1560 01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:28.600 people could bunker down and survive, but it's it's a 1561 01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:33.199 lot harder love big difference to just the weather is 1562 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:39.279 catastrophically extreme, and it does lock things off a bit more. 1563 01:25:39.319 --> 01:25:40.399 I feel like it does. 1564 01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:43.159 It is whole Earth will cease to be the planet 1565 01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:45.640 that it was entirely like it is now just a 1566 01:25:45.720 --> 01:25:49.359 rock floating in space, and that that does offer up 1567 01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:52.079 some like richer sort of themes and things to play 1568 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:56.439 with and just an anonymous kind of weather event. And 1569 01:25:56.560 --> 01:26:00.760 it was the I mentioned Jeff Nichols before. I'm a 1570 01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.560 big fan of Take Shelter, like Take Shelter like Lives 1571 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:08.479 with Me, and that is a film which I think 1572 01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:10.960 McKenzie is trying to do some of the things that 1573 01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:16.520 that film does, but doesn't have enough understanding of how 1574 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:21.960 to communicate the human relationships to make that work. That 1575 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:27.680 there's like the Take Shelter is such a darker, hopeless, 1576 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:32.800 essimistic film for the most part until the shit hits 1577 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:36.880 the hand for real and then it's oh, actually it 1578 01:26:36.920 --> 01:26:40.359 doesn't matter, like we got this, like the human connection 1579 01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:43.840 trumps that and this that this film like just can't 1580 01:26:43.880 --> 01:26:47.960 do that. But there's it's clearly like that score that 1581 01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:51.840 the tinkling kind of wind chimy things, and that last 1582 01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:55.640 shot is very very similar. It's the last shot to 1583 01:26:55.680 --> 01:27:01.439 Take Shelter that like the coming storm lot Richer in 1584 01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:05.359 meaning and takes Shelter. It helps it takes Shelder. That 1585 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:09.720 was two thousand and I or something, and it was 1586 01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:11.920 like way ahead of the curve for being like this 1587 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.399 is how it's going to go down, folks, versus like 1588 01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:17.439 being in the midst of it and just being like. 1589 01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:18.840 Oh, okay, this is what's happening. 1590 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.000 It's harder to find residence when your reality is tomorrow. 1591 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:24.840 I don't know if you ever saw the nineteen ninety 1592 01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:28.199 eight film from Don mcckellor. Don mkellor usually known more 1593 01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:30.479 for acting. I think it was in a lot of 1594 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:35.000 the Anamagoyan films, and he can't remember. It was part 1595 01:27:35.000 --> 01:27:38.359 of a project because nineteen ninety eight, a lot of people, 1596 01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:40.319 of course, are just like, okay, you were two thousand, 1597 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:43.479 We're all going to perish somehow kind of thing. Here's 1598 01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.960 the end of the millennium. So there were so many 1599 01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:49.239 better than anybody, things like Strange Days, things like that, 1600 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.840 where it's just like, okay, all of these movies that 1601 01:27:51.880 --> 01:27:54.239 are coming out right around the turn of the century 1602 01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:58.600 that were very apocalyptic, Last Night was very much a 1603 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:02.640 quiet apocalypse again, and it was just very much like, 1604 01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.399 all right, this is our last night on Earth? What's 1605 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:09.119 going to be going on? And I'd like there's the 1606 01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:12.720 Don m kellor part of it where we could see 1607 01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:15.880 what he's up to. We also have a it's very 1608 01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:20.880 vignette based. We've got Sandra oh in another storyline. We've 1609 01:28:20.920 --> 01:28:25.960 got a David Cronenberg and another storyline. It's been I 1610 01:28:26.079 --> 01:28:29.159 probably saw it in ninety eight, so it's been quite 1611 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.319 a while since I saw it, but I just remember 1612 01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:34.960 it so fondly and I regret that I wasn't able 1613 01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:38.119 to get back and rewatch it. But that's another really 1614 01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:41.560 nice one. And there's also like the countdown thing going on. 1615 01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:45.680 How you have your Friday, Saturday, Sunday and this one. 1616 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.920 You've got different times showing up throughout the whole thing, 1617 01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:52.239 and it feels a little bit more. We see people 1618 01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:56.119 riding in the streets, We see people like Sandra, Oh, 1619 01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.560 she's doing some shopping or something, and then she comes 1620 01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:01.880 back to her power has been flipped over. We got 1621 01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.119 to see the car being flipped over. So you do 1622 01:29:04.239 --> 01:29:07.159 see these cooligans and things, and it's okay, that's a 1623 01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:10.880 little bit more what I would expect. People going out 1624 01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:15.039 with a bang literally sometimes and then tonight's a great 1625 01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:18.239 night to hire a prostitute type of thing. So I 1626 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:21.760 really remember appreciating that film, and I need to see 1627 01:29:21.760 --> 01:29:25.039 if McKellar's made other films since then, because I thought 1628 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:27.199 the direction of it was very nice. There were some 1629 01:29:27.239 --> 01:29:31.840 really powerful images, especially around the Sandral part as well 1630 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:36.039 as the Kronenberg part. Cronenberg, He's always such a good 1631 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:39.960 actor as well as director, but he is just playing 1632 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:44.520 this buttoned up man living a life of quiet desperation. 1633 01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:48.079 Does it so well too, and it's like he's almost 1634 01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:51.560 in a two person play throughout most of this movie. 1635 01:29:51.680 --> 01:29:52.640 I remember the film. 1636 01:29:53.279 --> 01:29:55.560 I feel like I might have seen it, but I 1637 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.279 feel maybe I haven't because I feel like I would 1638 01:29:57.319 --> 01:29:58.880 remember the Cronenberg stuff. 1639 01:29:58.640 --> 01:29:59.800 Because I love so much. 1640 01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:07.279 Yeah, that's that's I think Charles Ruda's performance feels lived in, 1641 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:10.920 but the writing of this film doesn't feel lived in, 1642 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:14.199 and that's what it needed. Like what you're saying, like 1643 01:30:14.199 --> 01:30:18.119 those character kind of vignettes are just like lived life, 1644 01:30:18.680 --> 01:30:20.920 and I mean there's there's certainly something to play with 1645 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:26.359 their not feeling lived in, because that's part of what's 1646 01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:30.399 making us crazy right now, is this whole mediated existence 1647 01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:35.800 that we don't know what is the good life or 1648 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:40.279 even just a basic life or anything. It's like everything's 1649 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:43.720 followed down, not everything, but so much is hollowed out 1650 01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:46.840 and how to exist in that world? 1651 01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:51.159 And if the world is ending, then it's does that make. 1652 01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:55.640 It easier or harder to figure out how to exist? 1653 01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:59.359 And I think that was something that I really appreciated 1654 01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:03.479 in Ferrara's film. Is that fantastic sequence when he goes 1655 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:07.479 upstairs to the neighbors and it's these old like error 1656 01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:13.279 and junkie mates and the guy's a drug dealer, that 1657 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:16.439 makes a drug dealer, and like the old junkie mate 1658 01:31:16.560 --> 01:31:20.600 is like, nah, nah, don't don't do it. You've been 1659 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:24.399 sober for who in a years? Is the end of 1660 01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:29.079 the world worth it? And it's such an interesting conversation 1661 01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:34.319 and it feels like it's real. It doesn't feel like 1662 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:37.279 someone like thinking out a conversation. Is this is a 1663 01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:41.439 conversation that person who has had an experience with error 1664 01:31:41.600 --> 01:31:45.560 an addiction is thought about and had that theoretical. 1665 01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:50.159 You got Natasha Leones sitting at that table. Okay, I'm 1666 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:52.960 sure she's been around these types of conversations as well. Yeah, 1667 01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:56.119 this feels that sequence, if not, a lot of the 1668 01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.840 film doesn't feel scripted, feels very much. Okay, let's just 1669 01:32:00.439 --> 01:32:01.319 improv the sin. 1670 01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:06.199 But at that scene, like so pulled everything together for 1671 01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:10.720 me for the fat film of it, Like what are 1672 01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:11.880 your decisions for? 1673 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:14.439 Like why do you make the choices that you do? 1674 01:32:15.119 --> 01:32:17.640 As are you only making this choice because there's a 1675 01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:21.640 tomorrow and the repercussions that the choice will have in tomorrow, 1676 01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:26.800 or you're making this choice because it is meaningful and 1677 01:32:27.119 --> 01:32:32.479 who you are. And that's Defoe's characters still flapping in 1678 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.840 the wind. He's a flag without a pole, like his 1679 01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:40.520 daughter's far away and disconnected and guarded by an x 1680 01:32:40.720 --> 01:32:45.840 with a difficult relationship and his strange connection with his 1681 01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:50.479 current partner, and then his strange connection with drugs, and 1682 01:32:50.520 --> 01:32:52.520 it's yeah, you feel like he goes it up, you 1683 01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:54.720 really he goes up there to get drugs that he's 1684 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:57.079 ready to be like checking out as the world ends. 1685 01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:00.520 And this other guys, yeah, like there's not hop is 1686 01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:02.720 to me. They're drinking booze and I'm like, I'm fine, 1687 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:04.239 Like i have no need for it. 1688 01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:06.000 I don't. I'm twenty years and I'm solid. 1689 01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:09.279 That was the choice and it's who I am, and 1690 01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:15.800 it's so solid and real and beautiful and human, and 1691 01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:19.199 it's like that's there's a lot of that flapping around 1692 01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.920 in the background of Exposure thirty six, of like why 1693 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:26.239 we make choices and decisions, how we end up we are, 1694 01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:29.479 and how we justify that to ourself, especially through the 1695 01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:32.399 fact that he's like basically saying I have meaning because 1696 01:33:32.399 --> 01:33:36.039 I'm keeping other people dosed up on drugs to get 1697 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:36.439 through this. 1698 01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:40.680 Wow, that's a fucking awful reason. 1699 01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:43.640 But also from another flick, the Coin on the other side, 1700 01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:47.359 and it's like, that's a pretty good reasons, but it's 1701 01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:49.439 only a pretty good reason because things are that bad. 1702 01:33:51.199 --> 01:33:54.960 So it's just it's such it's so much complication there, 1703 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.600 and that does feel like really drawn on from the 1704 01:33:57.640 --> 01:34:00.600 Ferrara film about those kind of aspects in it, but 1705 01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:04.199 it doesn't it doesn't have the grounding of an all 1706 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.079 Newalberry's been through hell. 1707 01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:09.199 One of the movies that I wasn't familiar with that 1708 01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:13.119 one of the reviews of Exposure thirty six brought up 1709 01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:17.239 was a twenty thirteen film called These Final Hours, which 1710 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:21.640 is ironically an Australian film, and I watched a lot 1711 01:34:21.640 --> 01:34:24.199 of that though that was tough man some of those 1712 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:27.880 the guy with the machete towards the beginning and the 1713 01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:30.600 way that he murders a man, So it's very much 1714 01:34:30.640 --> 01:34:35.199 I think it's like an asteroid or bits of things 1715 01:34:35.199 --> 01:34:38.359 because they have that shot near the beginning of the 1716 01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:42.399 stuff coming through our atmosphere and it's okay, again, it 1717 01:34:42.439 --> 01:34:46.159 feels very end of the century apocalypse type of thing. 1718 01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:52.319 It feels very deep impact armageddon type of storyline. But 1719 01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:56.279 then at the same time so you get much more 1720 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.800 of the Okay, the world's about to end, everything's going 1721 01:34:59.840 --> 01:35:03.920 to shit kind of thing. And ironically, with this being Australia, 1722 01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:06.359 the first thing that popped in my mind was on 1723 01:35:06.439 --> 01:35:09.680 the beach and just thinking of, Okay, they know that 1724 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:12.359 this cloud of radiation is coming and it's going to 1725 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:16.560 kill everyone. What would life be like for them? Same 1726 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:18.880 thing here, Okay, we know that this is coming, what 1727 01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.359 is life going to be like? And just to see 1728 01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:24.439 there's an image of a guy who has hanged himself 1729 01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:29.960 from a fucking light pole that is very striking. There's 1730 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:33.319 a lot of the chaos here. But I have to say, 1731 01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:37.199 for whatever reason, and it might have been that it 1732 01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:40.840 reminded me of the beginning of that Zack Snyder remake 1733 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.439 of Dawn and the Dead, I kept thinking that there 1734 01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:45.399 are going to be zombies in this movie. And the 1735 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:48.680 way that the guy was like walking slowly in the 1736 01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:50.960 middle of the street before the dude with the machete 1737 01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:53.560 gets out of this car and slices them, I was 1738 01:35:53.640 --> 01:35:56.039 like yeah, this feels so much like a zombie film. 1739 01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:59.000 He just hav't walked down the street in Australia. And 1740 01:35:59.000 --> 01:36:02.560 because someone might feel like a zomba, I actually have 1741 01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:04.880 not seen these five hours. It came out when I 1742 01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:07.279 was working in the cinema and it was like I 1743 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:09.000 really wanted to see it, but it was like, am 1744 01:36:09.000 --> 01:36:11.560 I gonna watch it after work when I gonna go home, 1745 01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:13.479 which cut out a lot of fills that era. 1746 01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:15.319 But yeah, I think it was like, it's like. 1747 01:36:15.279 --> 01:36:18.560 A common hits and it's the slowly approaching like wall 1748 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:19.079 of fire. 1749 01:36:19.960 --> 01:36:21.439 I really should see it because it is. 1750 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:25.439 It is a fascinating like alignment of ideas, because yeah, 1751 01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:28.560 I immediately am like, oh yes, it's very much a modern, 1752 01:36:29.399 --> 01:36:34.279 like more environmental take on on the beach that is 1753 01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:37.560 where the last place it's going to hit. But it's 1754 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:42.359 also yeah, it's very much that Snowtown era of Australian 1755 01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:47.399 filmmaking that is like rough and painful, something like The 1756 01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:50.319 Loved Ones as well, which doesn't get talked about anywhere 1757 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:53.680 near enough for just whoa, we had some bottled up 1758 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:57.239 pain and it came out of the very tangible manner. 1759 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:03.439 It is an interesting way to contemplate the like how 1760 01:37:03.479 --> 01:37:07.920 you lead a good life? There's nothing beyond it is 1761 01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:13.720 something with it, the possible theological aspects of exposure thirty six, 1762 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.760 that there maybe is the hint that there is heaven 1763 01:37:16.800 --> 01:37:20.760 and hell like it's it is. It has just been 1764 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:26.159 hard the last twenty years to be enjoying American cinema 1765 01:37:26.279 --> 01:37:30.880 because it does feel like it's shrinking in its purview 1766 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:35.800 and a theological aspect, like it feels like something that's 1767 01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:38.399 easy to just slip into your film because it has meaning, 1768 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:44.760 but it's also so meaningless when you're coming down, How 1769 01:37:44.760 --> 01:37:48.119 do you lead a good life? Everything is over, we're 1770 01:37:48.159 --> 01:37:52.079 all dead. But that's the whole thing, the opiate of 1771 01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:54.479 the masses. It's a way to just say it's fine 1772 01:37:54.560 --> 01:37:57.119 that it's fucked in this life, because it'll be fine 1773 01:37:57.119 --> 01:37:58.960 in the next one. And it's well, there is the 1774 01:37:59.279 --> 01:38:01.840 heaven and hell thing. Clearly you have to do some 1775 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:04.199 things for it to be fine in the next life. 1776 01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:07.000 But it still just is like a bit of a cop. 1777 01:38:06.840 --> 01:38:08.000 Out in that. 1778 01:38:09.439 --> 01:38:11.800 I don't actually need to think about it, and I've 1779 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:13.880 already done all this stuff, so it doesn't matter what 1780 01:38:13.960 --> 01:38:19.600 I do versus no, actually, you like, these last minutes 1781 01:38:19.640 --> 01:38:22.880 are gonna be real long, and you're gonna have to 1782 01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:27.039 live with yourself in that and what are you doing? Sure, 1783 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:29.399 check out, but how are you checking out? How are 1784 01:38:29.399 --> 01:38:31.039 you checking out by taking some guy out with a 1785 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:36.319 machete or buying some prescription strokes or what are you doing? 1786 01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:41.000 Yeah, there's a big nihilism to these final hours, Like 1787 01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:46.359 when the main character goes to this crazy orgy and 1788 01:38:46.600 --> 01:38:50.399 people are just there playing Russian Roulette and you've got 1789 01:38:50.399 --> 01:38:53.920 the one guy who pulls the trigger and it clicks. Okay, great, 1790 01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:57.119 hands the gun over to his mate. Next thing, there's 1791 01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:00.840 blood splattered against the flag, and I'm like, wow, Okay, 1792 01:39:01.640 --> 01:39:05.199 I had no idea. By the way, it's this almost 1793 01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:09.000 lone wolf and cub esque story where he's escorting this 1794 01:39:09.159 --> 01:39:11.800 girl through a lot of stuff. I had no idea. 1795 01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.600 That girl looks so familiar and I had to look 1796 01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:16.239 her up. She's the one that played Betty Brandt in 1797 01:39:16.279 --> 01:39:19.800 all of the Spider Man movies, the Homecoming stuff. I 1798 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:23.640 had no idea that she was Australian. She hides her 1799 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:26.399 accent very well. And then you brought up that the 1800 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:31.279 gentleman that directed these final hours also did the recent 1801 01:39:31.319 --> 01:39:34.319 one We Bury the Dead, where you get to hear 1802 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:39.760 just how terrible Daisy Ridley's accent can be when she 1803 01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:43.640 tries to flatten it and make it American. Holy shit, 1804 01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:48.119 that was so distracting. And there's really no reason why 1805 01:39:48.159 --> 01:39:51.279 she has to be American in the movie, but man, 1806 01:39:51.359 --> 01:39:54.680 oh man, that was really really rough. And I think 1807 01:39:54.720 --> 01:39:58.079 I've heard her be American before, but that was so 1808 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.239 distracting watching the movie list to her voice. 1809 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:04.680 As weird that it feels like again like when you 1810 01:40:04.760 --> 01:40:07.359 make decisions for your film for marketing, like you're going 1811 01:40:07.399 --> 01:40:11.359 from want to get the American audience. Nobody wants to 1812 01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:14.840 watch this tas Madian zombie film that's not actually shot 1813 01:40:14.840 --> 01:40:17.920 in Tasmania, so we'll get like a brit who's going 1814 01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.199 to pretend to be an American to get the American audience, 1815 01:40:20.399 --> 01:40:25.560 Like back up pend lines, guys, that's I don't think 1816 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:28.119 this like someone pretending to be American is going to 1817 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:31.840 bring in your audience. Exposure with thirty six does feel 1818 01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:35.000 a lot like that that real somebody read a scriptwriting 1819 01:40:35.000 --> 01:40:36.479 book and it has to have this and it has 1820 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:38.239 to have that, and you can't do this, and you 1821 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:41.680 can't do that, and that's unfortunate. It's like if you've 1822 01:40:41.760 --> 01:40:45.560 if you've got bugger all money and bugle all resources, 1823 01:40:46.399 --> 01:40:49.760 be creative, throw the book out. Like nobody notices the 1824 01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:52.800 film that walked in other footsteps. They noticed the film 1825 01:40:52.840 --> 01:40:55.640 that busted out and just did whatever it did and 1826 01:40:56.359 --> 01:41:00.119 had fun and was creative in strange ways. And I 1827 01:41:00.159 --> 01:41:03.800 really wish this film had more of that. It's it's 1828 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:06.039 what we need in cinema. It is just for people 1829 01:41:06.079 --> 01:41:09.920 to be like, it's cinema, it can be anything. Yeah, 1830 01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:14.479 So Australian Apocalypse last night films. There's also smoke them 1831 01:41:14.479 --> 01:41:16.560 if you've got them. Oh, you got to look that 1832 01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:17.199 up and see that. 1833 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:17.680 My god. 1834 01:41:17.800 --> 01:41:25.319 So it's mid eighties Melbourne underground punk apocalypse film and 1835 01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:27.640 it's just like the nukes being dropped. 1836 01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:29.399 Melbourne's pretty much gone. 1837 01:41:29.479 --> 01:41:33.720 It's a wasteland and a couple of the people find 1838 01:41:33.720 --> 01:41:36.520 themselves in a bunker in Richmond where just all the 1839 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:41.239 local like punks and metal heads and whatever, it just going. 1840 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:44.000 They've got we've got enough drugs to last us. Three 1841 01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:46.119 drugs and now they will last three days, but the 1842 01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:48.520 radiation is going to kill us in two. So let's 1843 01:41:48.560 --> 01:41:53.840 go and it's pretty and grimy and funny and fucked 1844 01:41:53.960 --> 01:41:56.960 and dark and oh yeah this finally I was They 1845 01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:59.800 were definitely taking inspiration from smoking. 1846 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:01.359 If you got them for the big party scene at 1847 01:42:01.359 --> 01:42:01.720 the end. 1848 01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:04.760 But yeah, smoke, I've got it just like thirty minutes, 1849 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:07.800 just Australian eighties end of the world. 1850 01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:10.399 I think it is somewhat readily available. 1851 01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:12.840 I know they've got a remaster and a DVD release 1852 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:14.880 about ten to fifteen years ago, so it might be 1853 01:42:14.920 --> 01:42:17.000 on Duby and such DVD. 1854 01:42:17.359 --> 01:42:20.760 What the don'body watched a DVDs anymore? It's going to 1855 01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:23.119 be streaming otherwise I won't watch it. 1856 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.399 Yeah, this was like this was a local indie distributor 1857 01:42:27.520 --> 01:42:29.840 doing their best to try and resurrect some like born 1858 01:42:30.000 --> 01:42:33.279 of Australian cinema that like didn't really have a market. 1859 01:42:34.520 --> 01:42:35.760 Yeah, if even a. 1860 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:38.800 Couple of years later would have someone like an Umbrella 1861 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:40.439 could have just put it out on Blu ray with 1862 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:42.399 a few extras and it would have been like fine. 1863 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:44.560 But it was just before that really took off. 1864 01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:47.319 Yeah, I was just looking up. It's only forty eight 1865 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:51.640 minutes long, so that's an odd length for movie. They 1866 01:42:51.720 --> 01:42:55.880 called it like a extended short or a short feature. 1867 01:42:56.159 --> 01:42:59.279 So yeah, I'll check it out. It is available in 1868 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:01.199 full YouTube. 1869 01:43:01.359 --> 01:43:01.680 Yeah. 1870 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:05.039 I feel like tangible cinema where you can just feel 1871 01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:09.319 the graph and the heat and everything. And then if 1872 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:13.479 you like punk cinema like it is iconic classics, smoke 1873 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:14.239 him if you got him. 1874 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:16.399 So anything else you want to talk about? 1875 01:43:16.920 --> 01:43:20.399 Exposure thirty six in my notes it was the first 1876 01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:24.119 thing I talked about and then just blasted bastard. Just 1877 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:27.560 mediation in general. It should be more present in the film, 1878 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:32.920 like where it is, he says. The Camra says, talks 1879 01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:37.239 about finding paper in Pompey still preserved and how that 1880 01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:42.239 lasted through this mini apocalypse and across time, and so 1881 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:47.119 that's why he's taking these photographs to hopefully last long 1882 01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:51.239 enough that there's some possible future will find them. It 1883 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:54.880 is such a great and interesting idea and a great 1884 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:58.760 and interesting book, but it's not really infused into the 1885 01:43:58.760 --> 01:44:02.119 film other than, as you say said previously, the photos 1886 01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:06.880 he takes, which we do see flash on screen briefly, photos, 1887 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:11.159 especially the old photos, not even though they were tangible, 1888 01:44:11.159 --> 01:44:15.000 they were so ephemeral, they were so easily destroyed by 1889 01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:21.479 disasters and random incidents, and they're just these ephemeral things 1890 01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:27.840 that kind of weren't really made last, and he's dreaming 1891 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:33.800 of them lasting forever, of them being eternal, and how 1892 01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:37.920 that feeds into the way that photography captures time and 1893 01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:42.720 turns these moments that slip away into something frozen forever 1894 01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:45.680 and eternal. And they're like the way that these different 1895 01:44:45.720 --> 01:44:48.039 ideas of a femeral internal bounch off of each other 1896 01:44:48.159 --> 01:44:52.760 in all forms of media, and at this time, like 1897 01:44:52.880 --> 01:44:59.039 in a way, digital photography is less ephederal seeming but 1898 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:04.079 is actually way way more intangible and effemble. It's not 1899 01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:07.279 going to like most people, they're just keeping these on 1900 01:45:07.479 --> 01:45:10.960 drives that won't last as long as a video cassette. 1901 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:16.520 When in like the working post production, like we archive 1902 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:19.479 everything to tape. People think that's crazy. They're like, what 1903 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:22.399 you're putting things onto tape? Yeah, like this this super 1904 01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:27.960 high quality like lto tapes. They will outlast any hard drive, 1905 01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:32.880 any disk drive. That's how we preserve it. And so 1906 01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:36.880 it's like this digital era is we're going to lose 1907 01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:40.840 so much. It could even be just a giant black 1908 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:43.600 spot where it's like like silent film, where it's like, 1909 01:45:43.600 --> 01:45:46.640 what like ten percent, If we have ten percent of 1910 01:45:46.760 --> 01:45:49.920 media left from this digital era, it will be amazing. 1911 01:45:50.239 --> 01:45:53.039 That's a high prediction. It's in the. 1912 01:45:52.920 --> 01:45:56.199 Film, but unless you're like coming to the film to 1913 01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.760 write an essay on it, like it's it's not really much. 1914 01:46:00.279 --> 01:46:03.960 And I thought that was unfortunate because there's so many 1915 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:04.960 ways to go with it. 1916 01:46:05.000 --> 01:46:07.479 There's so many ways to play with that. 1917 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:11.479 I think we've mentioned the LEGETI recently in one of 1918 01:46:11.560 --> 01:46:14.880 our conversations, where it's playing with the stillness of images 1919 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:20.439 and in film, and just like the ways to be 1920 01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:26.399 philosophical and contemplative with mediation and images in films without 1921 01:46:26.479 --> 01:46:30.439 having to talk about it is like open and rich 1922 01:46:31.479 --> 01:46:35.359 area to playing. And it felt like that he started 1923 01:46:35.439 --> 01:46:39.119 with that idea and then lost because even down to 1924 01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:41.560 I thought that he wanted like I got that, so 1925 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:44.159 he's safe gets stolen, which is where he keeps all 1926 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:47.079 of his negatives, And I get that he wanted his 1927 01:46:47.119 --> 01:46:49.359 safe back because he wanted the negatives back, but I 1928 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:53.159 thought he also wanted the safe back to preserve the negatives. 1929 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:56.600 And then he doesn't get it back at the end, 1930 01:46:56.840 --> 01:46:58.920 like he grabs the negatives and stuff, but then he's 1931 01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:01.239 sitting on it like a train as this storm's gummy, 1932 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:03.039 and I'm like, oro, you're negatives. 1933 01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:04.800 And other spot that I. 1934 01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:09.359 Kept thinking of when I spoke with Lance Hendrickson years 1935 01:47:09.399 --> 01:47:14.359 ago and he's very into ceramics and pottery, and he 1936 01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:17.880 was talking about how his dream is to make a 1937 01:47:17.920 --> 01:47:22.640 piece of pottery and have it at the ready basically 1938 01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:27.640 to be fired by the heat death of the apocalypse. 1939 01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:33.960 It's like, wow, Like I love that vision of just 1940 01:47:34.079 --> 01:47:38.640 this nuclear blast in the distance and just that flower 1941 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:41.640 that you see coming like in those old films that 1942 01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:45.399 will destroy the houses. But here's this piece of pottery 1943 01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.399 or sculpture that then gets fired into perfection in that 1944 01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:50.840 last second of the world. 1945 01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:54.760 Oh man, I'm I'm just picturing Lance Hander because it's 1946 01:47:54.760 --> 01:47:57.640 standing there holding up his piece of pottery as the 1947 01:47:57.640 --> 01:47:59.800 wave hits him. He's going to live my head for 1948 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:02.720 for I hope that it's something I'd never heard that story, 1949 01:48:02.760 --> 01:48:05.119 and yet that absolutely does not surprised me. That that 1950 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:08.119 is like Lands of the Street, that is beautiful and tremendous, 1951 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:12.520 striving for the eternal, and I actually I do love 1952 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:16.039 where it starts with that because it feels so that 1953 01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:19.279 feels genuine and real, like this person whose life has 1954 01:48:19.439 --> 01:48:23.119 just fallen a bar, that their dream is like derailed, 1955 01:48:23.199 --> 01:48:27.800 that they're just like surviving on like the underbelly of 1956 01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:33.359 a sixth society that can't cope, and the one thing 1957 01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:37.439 is to turn fleeting moment into something that lasts forever 1958 01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:39.159 against all boats. 1959 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:40.600 It feels like. 1960 01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:44.640 A absolutely solid rock around which this character is built, 1961 01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:50.039 and Jarles like his performance stays connected to that even 1962 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:53.159 when the film wanders from it, that he is still 1963 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:55.600 believable in that. But it is why just that last 1964 01:48:55.600 --> 01:48:59.319 bit it was like bro be like given up, and 1965 01:48:59.359 --> 01:49:02.439 it just that could be a part of it as well, 1966 01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:06.560 But it's just it doesn't quite There's too much exposition 1967 01:49:06.600 --> 01:49:09.039 and too much ontolining, and then there is actually just 1968 01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:11.600 leaving space for that reality in your film, and that 1969 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:14.479 they don't quite leave space for anything at in the 1970 01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:17.399 last chunk of this film. They just distract themselves and 1971 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:22.760 try to be a very typical American heterosexual kind of 1972 01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:30.880 film narrative. And come on, you can dream bigger than this, all. 1973 01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:32.840 Right, Ben, Let's go ahead and take another break, and 1974 01:49:32.880 --> 01:49:34.640 we're going to play a preview for next week's show 1975 01:49:34.840 --> 01:49:36.319 right after these brief messages. 1976 01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:27.520 She wouldn't pluck with the customers. 1977 01:50:27.560 --> 01:50:30.800 Oh, she wouldn't know what that means. I hardly know myself. 1978 01:50:40.319 --> 01:50:42.239 I have to have supper with a gentleman. 1979 01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:44.119 It isn't important, but I told him I wouldn't. I 1980 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.199 guess I'd better. I have to go to his hotel. 1981 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:47.239 This hotel. 1982 01:50:48.279 --> 01:50:49.319 You're going to his rooms? 1983 01:50:49.800 --> 01:50:53.680 Yes, shouldn't I What do you want to cry for 1984 01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:57.119 when you can do somebody a good deed? He is 1985 01:50:57.159 --> 01:50:59.239 a man who has supported. 1986 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:02.239 You and and and and that's right. Certainly his ride 1987 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:04.880 like the good Fairy with one wave of the one 1988 01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:05.760 How can. 1989 01:51:05.640 --> 01:51:07.119 You look me in the face again, madam? 1990 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:10.079 For you you'll miss my home Mecca. 1991 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:21.079 There you my. 1992 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:27.399 Husband, Your wife was in the taxicab with the waiter. 1993 01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:30.399 My wife? 1994 01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:33.399 Well, how can you laugh at such a moment because 1995 01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:35.960 I haven't any wife? And he doesn't know dead lack 1996 01:51:36.119 --> 01:51:39.039 just think he doesn't know, doesn't know what that I'm 1997 01:51:39.079 --> 01:51:43.119 watching over Molly's sleeps, that I'm taking care of him. 1998 01:51:43.960 --> 01:52:49.760 I'm his good fairy. 1999 01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:21.560 As right. We'll be back next week where they look 2000 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:25.159 at the comedy classic The Good Fairy. Until then, I 2001 01:52:25.199 --> 01:52:27.399 want to thank my co host Ben, Ben, what is 2002 01:52:27.439 --> 01:52:28.640 happening in your world, sir? 2003 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:31.920 Still just plugging away in the digital salt mines of 2004 01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:38.920 post production, steadily losing my mind, hallucinating weird digital issues 2005 01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:43.039 in the real world, trying to survive the heat of apocalypse. 2006 01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:47.119 And yeah, cats, lots of cats. 2007 01:52:47.199 --> 01:52:49.920 Two cats. Anybody want to rescue cats? Hit me up. 2008 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:53.079 I've got fosters coming out of my ears. Getting back 2009 01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:54.720 at the letter box after taking a little bit of 2010 01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:58.520 a break, and you can find me over there. Dissolved 2011 01:52:58.640 --> 01:53:01.279 pet as to say arly that I've really managed to 2012 01:53:01.319 --> 01:53:04.840 watch three films this year. They are Misery, Welcome to 2013 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:09.279 Whoop Whoop twice, three, four times, and this film twice 2014 01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:13.199 and it's it's definitely making me feel strange that that's 2015 01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:14.520 the combo flot you in my head. 2016 01:53:15.199 --> 01:53:17.119 Well, thank you so much, Ben for being on the show. 2017 01:53:17.159 --> 01:53:19.640 Thanks to everybody for listening. 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