Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, and joining us now is Aaron
Speaker 1: Day and he contacted me. We've talked in the past
Speaker 1: about gold and silver and crypto, and we can talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit today as well, but he
Speaker 1: primarily wanted to get on to talk about moves to
Speaker 1: try to get some of these crypto prisoners freed. And
Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier, and we all know, because I've
Speaker 1: talked about this many times, how the Democrats had a
Speaker 1: war on crypto and we've got a lot of people
Speaker 1: who have been railroaded, unjustly convicted and should be pardoned.
Speaker 1: And the hope is that Trump may do that. He
Speaker 1: has mentioned Ross Olbrich but and there was a free
Speaker 1: Ross campaign that went on for quite some time. Now
Speaker 1: there is a free Roger campaign to try to free
Speaker 1: Roger Verer. Thanks for joining us, Arin and tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Yeah, this is one of
Speaker 2: the most egregious. I mean, there are actually all of
Speaker 2: these cases are egregious, the Ross olbrit case and the
Speaker 2: Ian Freeman case. And I think that Rogers case is
Speaker 2: actually shocked me more than anything else because I learned
Speaker 2: about crypto for the first time from Roger Vere in
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. He Roger earned the nickname Bitcoin Jesus because
Speaker 2: he literally evangelized this. He was the first retailer to
Speaker 2: take bitcoin. He was the first investor in bitcoin related companies.
Speaker 2: He literally traveled around the world and his focus on
Speaker 2: this because you and I have talked about crypto before.
Speaker 2: You know, as we look at what's going on with
Speaker 2: bitcoin now and people buying bitcoin through black rock ETFs
Speaker 2: and everything else, right, that was not Roger's vision. So
Speaker 2: if you got involved in bitcoin from twenty ten to
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, you got involved with bitcoin because you wanted
Speaker 2: an alternative currency to fiat currency. You wanted something that
Speaker 2: fixed the problems of central banks and money printing. And
Speaker 2: you know what happened with the two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: financial crisis and what happens with the military industrial complex
Speaker 2: blowing people up all over the world. Roger was the
Speaker 2: best person at our ticket relating that vision and trying
Speaker 2: to spread freedom across the globe. And so Roger has
Speaker 2: an interesting story. Roger had actually been arrested and spent
Speaker 2: time in prison for selling fireworks. He was literally on eBay.
Speaker 2: He was literally the only person who was ever arrested
Speaker 2: for this. There were retailers that continued to sell the
Speaker 2: very same fireworks that he went to prison for. The
Speaker 2: reason he went to prison is that he was very vocal.
Speaker 2: He was a libertarian, and he would talk about you know, taxationist, theft,
Speaker 2: and wars murder, and he was very consistent about this,
Speaker 2: and he spoke out against the ATF. And this is
Speaker 2: very specifically why he was targeted. So he spent I
Speaker 2: believe ten months in federal prison. This was like around
Speaker 2: two thousand or so, and then you know, he decided
Speaker 2: to leave the country, so effectively, you know, he left,
Speaker 2: he started the process of leaving the country. You know,
Speaker 2: right after his prison experience. He had a hard time
Speaker 2: making that happen. I think he moved to Japan for
Speaker 2: a while, but then he formally left the United States
Speaker 2: patriated in twenty fourteen, and he paid an exit tax
Speaker 2: on bitcoin. He went through the normal process, hired lawyers,
Speaker 2: hired accountants, and paid what he thought was his proper
Speaker 2: exit tax. And the thing that you have to understand
Speaker 2: is in twenty fourteen, the IRS didn't even know how
Speaker 2: to treat bitcoin. There wasn't any guidance, is is it
Speaker 2: an asset, is it a currency? How do you do
Speaker 2: the tax treatment. On top of that, the largest exchange
Speaker 2: called mount Gox had just collapsed, so in actuality, the
Speaker 2: amount of bitcoin that Roger had had he sold it
Speaker 2: would have actually crashed the market completely. So he paid that,
Speaker 2: you know, based on his professional guidance. He paid the
Speaker 2: amount of tax that he thought he owed, and then
Speaker 2: basically ten years later they come after him after he's
Speaker 2: no longer a citizen in this country. And it gets
Speaker 2: even worse than that. And I think I'd spoken about
Speaker 2: this before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rogers, real quickly, what is the statute limitations for
Speaker 1: taxes and stuff?
Speaker 2: It's right, he's right up on the edge. It's like
Speaker 2: it's very near the end. It's within twelve months of
Speaker 2: the furthest edge case on his particular situation.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that it's that long. Really, I guess they've
Speaker 1: got a longer statute of limitations than they new for pedophilia,
Speaker 1: you know, which is only three years one.
Speaker 2: And there are a lot of different charges. And again,
Speaker 2: part of the problem with this is it's just retroactively.
Speaker 2: They're making it up. So this is one of these
Speaker 2: things that's just baffling. But I had interviewed Roger on
Speaker 2: my podcast in April before he was arrested. He wrote
Speaker 2: this book, Hijacking Bitcoin, and I think that we talked
Speaker 2: about this book. This is an important book because, as
Speaker 2: I mentioned, Roger's vision has always been, we need better
Speaker 2: money for the world, to help everyone, to help the
Speaker 2: seventy one percent of people that make less than ten
Speaker 2: dollars a week. It's about having money that's fast, cheap,
Speaker 2: and separated from state, separated from banks. And bitcoin is
Speaker 2: no longer that Bitcoin was hijacked by people tied to
Speaker 2: the deep. It was hijacked by people tied to traditional finance.
Speaker 2: And so Roger, instead of just saying, oh, hey, I'm
Speaker 2: going to hold onto all this bitcoin and let's see
Speaker 2: how much you know, Fiat dollars I can make, he's
Speaker 2: continued to push the envelope and he's continued to invest
Speaker 2: in and innovate cryptocurrencies that are actually fast and usable
Speaker 2: as peer to peer digital cash. And he wrote this book,
Speaker 2: Hijacking Bitcoin, that exposed what had happened to bitcoin, and
Speaker 2: so just so, it just so happened that three weeks
Speaker 2: after this book was published, he was arrested in Spain.
Speaker 2: He was thrown in the same prison that John McAfee
Speaker 2: died in and he's been out on bail now you know,
Speaker 2: it's for six months, but he's silenced. He can't even
Speaker 2: speak about this, and so this book was really getting
Speaker 2: traction and so now everybody's buying bitcoin, nobody knows the
Speaker 2: contents of his book, and now they're going after him
Speaker 2: retroactively for this tech situation. And it's worse than that.
Speaker 2: They actually rated his attorney. So this is actually more
Speaker 2: than just about crypto. This is about violating attorney client
Speaker 2: privilege and trying to use that information against him. It
Speaker 2: sets it basically sets a precedent that says you can't
Speaker 2: rely on your lawyers and your counsel for advice. So
Speaker 2: this affects everyone. It's not just a crypto thing or
Speaker 2: a bitcoin thing. This affects everyone who pays taxes and
Speaker 2: everyone who uses a lawyer. And so it's a horrible case.
Speaker 2: But the most remarkable thing about it is he's looking
Speaker 2: at up to one hundred and nine years in prison.
Speaker 1: Like Ross, Yeah, that's the thing. I've noticed this in
Speaker 1: so many different cases, and it's not just about the
Speaker 1: crypto stuff. You know, with the Bundi ranch and things
Speaker 1: like that. If they really want you for political purposes,
Speaker 1: they just get rid of you. Talk about getting rid
Speaker 1: of an attorney client privilege, just shut down exculpatory evidence,
Speaker 1: as they did with Ross all break and everything. They
Speaker 1: just throw all the rules are off the table and
Speaker 1: they just throw everything at you. We've seen it also
Speaker 1: with a January, the sixth people as well. Many of
Speaker 1: these cases, it is once you get on their bad side.
Speaker 1: And of course he is really touching a nerve because
Speaker 1: he's offering people cryptocurrency, not as an asset, as you
Speaker 1: point out, but as an alternative currency for people to
Speaker 1: use to trade with.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but it's even more than that. So you know. Again,
Speaker 2: I've followed Roger for over a decade, and it turns
Speaker 2: out he has supported all kinds of pro liberty causes.
Speaker 2: He supported WikiLeaks, he was the founding donor to the
Speaker 2: Brownstone Institute. He actually supported Ross Albrick. I mean, I
Speaker 2: was just in Mexico at a conference and I found
Speaker 2: out that he had donated money to rebuild homes for
Speaker 2: the poor in Mexico. Like, there's a long list of
Speaker 2: things that people don't even know about there's what he
Speaker 2: does publicly and all of the investments that he's made.
Speaker 2: But he's probably one of the most generous and principled
Speaker 2: people promoting pro liberty causes that on the planet. And
Speaker 2: I think that is actually specifically why he's being targeted
Speaker 2: because he's very very effective at it.
Speaker 1: Wow wow, So this is just kicking off this free
Speaker 1: free Roger now?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: A free rogernow dot org. Uh, we're and and what
Speaker 1: is happening there?
Speaker 2: Is this?
Speaker 1: Are you trying to get some kind of letter writing
Speaker 1: campaign or publicity for this or are their donations?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: What what? What is free Roger now happening?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't my This is a group of friends
Speaker 2: of Roger. This isn't my campaign specifically at all. This
Speaker 2: is just a group of people that are are trying
Speaker 2: to support this cause. And what we're what's being done
Speaker 2: is that similar to the you know ross olbrit campaign.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons that Linnelbrick was so successful was
Speaker 2: just her being tenacious and then also putting together a
Speaker 2: petition which over six hundred thousand people signed. So I
Speaker 2: was actually at the Libertarian Convention when Trump spoke about
Speaker 2: Ross's case and so, uh so these petitions and I
Speaker 2: guess they're calling it an open letter at free rogernow
Speaker 2: dot org is a great way of showing momentum and
Speaker 2: we want we want Trump to see all of the
Speaker 2: people that are supportive of Roger and his cause. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, we're urging everyone to sign the open letter
Speaker 2: at free rogernow dot org. And that website also has
Speaker 2: information about the case itself and specific information. I'm obviously
Speaker 2: not a lawyer, so I'm not you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: equipped to talk about the specific legal issues in this case.
Speaker 2: I don't have any information that's outside of what's in
Speaker 2: the public domain. However, at free rogernow dot org there's
Speaker 2: a video clip interview with Robert Barnes, who's a well
Speaker 2: known constitutional lawyer who has been speaking on this. So
Speaker 2: we're going to be sharing more. I hope he's going
Speaker 2: to be speaking more on this, but that if you
Speaker 2: want to understand the timeline and the legal issues specifically,
Speaker 2: I recommend that people look at free rogernow dot org
Speaker 2: and take a look at the Robert Barnes interview.
Speaker 1: Good Good, has there been any contact that has anybody
Speaker 1: there with that organization have there been in any contact.
Speaker 1: Is there any hope in terms of anybody around Trump
Speaker 1: that they're aware of this situation or is this something
Speaker 1: that has there been any as anybody responded to any
Speaker 1: of this stuff from within the Trump organization.
Speaker 2: I believe they're aware of it, and I'm actually pretty
Speaker 2: optimistic about it, and I'll tell you why. I mean,
Speaker 2: as you know we've talked in the past, I've kind
Speaker 2: of had given up on politics and more on an
Speaker 2: exit and build kind of strategy. But you in this
Speaker 2: particular case, there are a lot of similarities between Roger
Speaker 2: and President Trump. And in fact, I wrote an article
Speaker 2: for the Brownstone Institute about this and I kind of
Speaker 2: outline all of this. But Trump has had very similar
Speaker 2: experiences with the DOJ and the FBI that Roger's experiencing.
Speaker 2: Trump has experienced multiple audits on an ongoing basis. He's
Speaker 2: had his attorney client privilege with Michael Cohen and others breached.
Speaker 2: So everything that's going on to Roger, I think that
Speaker 2: has happened also to Trump. So I believe there's going
Speaker 2: to be empathy there because here's Roger, a successful guy,
Speaker 2: exposing the true truth, and he gets targeted and harassed
Speaker 2: by the DOJ and the FBI. So I actually think
Speaker 2: that there's a pretty pretty good shot here, and I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure people in his administration or incoming administration are
Speaker 2: aware of this. And I actually think this campaign is
Speaker 2: going to do a lot to help not only raise
Speaker 2: awareness about how horrible the case is, but also what
Speaker 2: an advocate for freedom Roger has been. So I you know,
Speaker 2: I think there's a real shot. And the other thing is,
Speaker 2: you know, usually presidents don't pardon people until the end
Speaker 2: of their term, and we're in a completely different situation.
Speaker 2: I mean, we already know. I mean, he actually promised
Speaker 2: to commute Ross Olbert's sentence on day one. And I
Speaker 2: think that there's other things going on with Jay Sixers,
Speaker 2: and there's a whole there's a whole variety of people
Speaker 2: that he might pardon right out of the gates, and
Speaker 2: so I think it would be great to have Roger
Speaker 2: on that list. And I think there's a real shot
Speaker 2: that that could happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course, you know, Matt Gats, who he's
Speaker 1: tapped for attorney General if he gets through confirmation, has
Speaker 1: has talked about pardons for many of these people and
Speaker 1: is very much on board with that. I think though,
Speaker 1: that the only way that Gates is I think gates
Speaker 1: confirmation is going to depend on whether or not he
Speaker 1: can get a recess appointment, because I think the Democrats
Speaker 1: will be able to block it with a filibuster, and
Speaker 1: probably will. But if he's able to get Gates through,
Speaker 1: I think that really does increase the chances for these
Speaker 1: types of pardons.
Speaker 2: I know, I think it changes. And Gates has come
Speaker 2: out for pardoning Snowden. He's also come out very much
Speaker 2: in favor of Ross and so I actually think he's
Speaker 2: absolutely dead on on these issues. So it would be
Speaker 2: great if he were confirmed. So I do think things
Speaker 2: are all lining up. So you know, and again Trump
Speaker 2: has made a big emphasis. I just saw yesterday that
Speaker 2: he's looking at buying a cryptocurrency exchange. He's made all
Speaker 2: kinds of I think he was meeting with the CEO
Speaker 2: of Coinbase, the largest exchange, either yesterday or today. So
Speaker 2: you know, to the extent that he's really tied himself
Speaker 2: to rypto. You know, you can't you can't be pro
Speaker 2: innovation and pro bitcoin while you know, crucifying bitcoin Jesus.
Speaker 2: So I think that so I really but the key
Speaker 2: to it is going to be to get the word
Speaker 2: out there. And you know, the tragedy of this is
Speaker 2: Roger's very outspoken. I mean, he's always been outspoken about
Speaker 2: you know, the military industrial complex and all of these issues,
Speaker 2: and he's also very outspoken about Bitcoin, and the fact
Speaker 2: that it was hijacked and the fact that he can't speak,
Speaker 2: that he's basically completely gagged, has to be really frustrating.
Speaker 2: So it's really important now that we raise awareness as
Speaker 2: quickly as possible because we've got this window between you know,
Speaker 2: here we are, you know, past the middle of November,
Speaker 2: and the inauguration is only a couple of months away.
Speaker 2: So now what we're trying to do is, you know,
Speaker 2: again from a grassroots basis, get as many people as
Speaker 2: possible to get the word out about the legal case
Speaker 2: and about Roger as a person.
Speaker 1: Is he still in Spain or did they extra adding
Speaker 1: him to the US.
Speaker 2: He's still in Spain, and and I don't know any
Speaker 2: specific details about this. All I know is that it
Speaker 2: took John McAfee eight months to go to fight fully
Speaker 2: the extradition process, and McAfee lost after eight months, and
Speaker 2: he actually was mysteriously ended up dead the day after
Speaker 2: he lost his final appeal to the Supreme Court in Spain.
Speaker 2: So Roger's been there for over six months. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what the timing is or what any of
Speaker 2: that process is. But certainly here's the other part about this,
Speaker 2: and this is one of the things. There are memes
Speaker 2: about this. So Roger pays his taxes, hires professionals. They
Speaker 2: haven't even told him how much they think he owes.
Speaker 2: He's been offered no ability to settle, Like literally, this
Speaker 2: situation is absurd. They haven't even told him what to pay.
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like they've given him any opportunity to settle.
Speaker 2: It's just it's very politically motivated. It's very clearly politically motivated.
Speaker 2: And look, I hope all of these people. I hope
Speaker 2: the IRS is abolished, and I hope that they look
Speaker 2: into the people that were to iding to target Roger.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Problem it seems like it's a bipartisan move to
Speaker 1: increase the IRS that had a budget of thirteen billion.
Speaker 1: They give him another eighty billion to buy out with
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence and another eighty thousand agents. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think they're going to keep that superpower to use that
Speaker 1: as a weapon against their enemies. Both sides will probably
Speaker 1: use that. But it is amazing how criminal and the
Speaker 1: political persecution that is just right in your face. And
Speaker 1: we've seen this in so many different ways. The Democrats
Speaker 1: have openly come out against a crypto and of course
Speaker 1: we have the SEC current chair who has tried to
Speaker 1: bring the bitcoin under his purview and other crypto stuff.
Speaker 1: He's been sued by a lot of state attorneys general.
Speaker 1: It's expected that he's of course going to be replaced
Speaker 1: and so forth. So there's a real sea change there,
Speaker 1: and so all of that I think bodes well. I
Speaker 1: think people ought to be able to be free to
Speaker 1: have crypto, and it was a full on, full court
Speaker 1: press to criminalize crypto from the Biden administration, even shutting
Speaker 1: down banks that were solvent because they were on and
Speaker 1: off ramps for crypto. That kind of a cross the
Speaker 1: board intimidation because they were going to force CBDC down
Speaker 1: our throats and they saw crypto as the competitor of that.
Speaker 1: But there's a dark side to this as well, as
Speaker 1: far as the crypto stuff that Trump is in that
Speaker 1: I see. I just wanted to get your take on
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of people there. Of course, we
Speaker 1: have Lutnik who is involved with teather and stable coins
Speaker 1: and other things like this, and there's a lot of
Speaker 1: I was just talking about GOP congressman who had gone
Speaker 1: to the COP twenty nine all talking about carbon capture.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's a lot of talk about carbon taxes,
Speaker 1: putting that on the blockchain, having people be able to
Speaker 1: pay that and track it with the crypto stuff. It
Speaker 1: seems like there is a coordinated move to kind of
Speaker 1: do a back door CBDC. That's what it like to me,
Speaker 1: And Whitney Web has talked about it as well. What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? Is that something that you've
Speaker 1: seen any discussion of or have an opinion on it.
Speaker 2: I definitely have an opinion. In fact, I'm writing a
Speaker 2: new book about this very topic because one of the
Speaker 2: conclusions that I've come to since I've been talking about
Speaker 2: this CBDC issue exclusively is we already have a CBDC.
Speaker 2: That's what I've realized. You know, everybody's fighting over definitions,
Speaker 2: and I said there and like, okay, well what is
Speaker 2: the agreed to definition of a cbd people, there isn't one.
Speaker 2: So the Bank of International Settlements has one definition people
Speaker 2: to wef have another. States have what different definitions, And
Speaker 2: so I'm like, okay, well, let's let's break this down.
Speaker 2: Then let's try to understand how does our current system
Speaker 2: actually work. Well. The way the current system works is
Speaker 2: the federal government issues in ioe you to the Federal Reserve,
Speaker 2: and then the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air,
Speaker 2: literally in an oracle database. So when the federal government
Speaker 2: is writing checks and you know, paying to blow people
Speaker 2: up and do you know cal fart studies and all
Speaker 2: the great things the federal government does with money, they're
Speaker 2: writing these checks on an out of an oracle data.
Speaker 2: It's that is by definition, a central bank digital currency.
Speaker 2: Now there are nuances to it. We have commercial banks
Speaker 2: as well, and they have their own Oracle databases and
Speaker 2: Microsoft databases, and they make up their own money out
Speaker 2: of thin air backed by the oracle database that the
Speaker 2: Federal Reserve has. But it is it is absolutely digital
Speaker 2: and the origin of the or the origin of this
Speaker 2: money is the Federal Reserve in an oracle database. And
Speaker 2: so when you hear people talk about what they're concerned
Speaker 2: about with CBDCs, what what are they concerned about they're
Speaker 2: concerned about being tracked, they're concerned about the money being programmable,
Speaker 2: and they're concerned about being censored. Well, so then I
Speaker 2: looked into that. Well, there are thirteen different federal government
Speaker 2: programs that are already surveilling our financial transactions. You mentioned
Speaker 2: part of it. The IRS is already working with commercial
Speaker 2: banks to analyze our financial transactions. That already happens. The
Speaker 2: NSA is already doing bulk data collection on our financial transactions.
Speaker 2: The Patriot Act. They can come in without a warrant,
Speaker 2: sees a bank account, and then you can't talk to
Speaker 2: anybody about it if they give you what's called a
Speaker 2: national security letter, which says you can't talk about this
Speaker 2: with anyone, including a lawyer.
Speaker 1: What really, So this new.
Speaker 2: Book that I'm going to do, actually, it's going to
Speaker 2: expand on two things. One we already have a CBDC
Speaker 2: and two we already have a social credit system, which
Speaker 2: is by the way, the tax code. But those examples
Speaker 2: that I gave, those are just three out of thirteen
Speaker 2: different ways the federal government is monitoring our transactions. Well,
Speaker 2: then we talk about programmability. Well, if anybody has a
Speaker 2: health savings account or a flexible spending account. These are
Speaker 2: basically debit cards that are tied directly to a bank
Speaker 2: that are programmable. These are cards that you can only
Speaker 2: use to buy certain healthcare related items from certain merchants
Speaker 2: at certain times. This is using the existing financial system.
Speaker 2: The largest provider of health savings accounts is a company
Speaker 2: called optim Bank, which is a bank. And so the
Speaker 2: money that we already have can be programmed. I mean,
Speaker 2: even when you think about when you use a credit card,
Speaker 2: if you travel, all of the fraud screening, you know,
Speaker 2: you go somewhere and they shut the card off temporarily.
Speaker 2: That just shows that the current system can be programmed.
Speaker 2: But I know, you know, as I was jumping into this,
Speaker 2: you were talking about energy credits, you were talking about
Speaker 2: carbon credits, that type of thing. MasterCard has already created
Speaker 2: something working with Doconomy called the Doconomy un Branded MasterCard,
Speaker 2: which tracks your purchases, tracks your carbon output, and literally
Speaker 2: shuts off the card if you use too much carbon.
Speaker 2: So this is a pilot that went on from twenty
Speaker 2: nineteen to twenty twenty two, and it's not that they're
Speaker 2: giving up on it. MasterCard continues to expand the number
Speaker 2: of partnerships continues to expand the types of products and
Speaker 2: services that they're tracking carbon for. So again there's no
Speaker 2: new systems. So when people say, well, CBDC is coming,
Speaker 2: you don't need a new technological system to be able
Speaker 2: to program money and tie it to carbon. That actually
Speaker 2: has already happened with the existing system that we have.
Speaker 2: And on the area of censorship, there was something called
Speaker 2: Operation Choke point one point zero where numerous like twenty
Speaker 2: different categories of businesses were basically lost access to credit
Speaker 2: card processing services and banking services. But I just recently
Speaker 2: found out that Baron Trump, Milania Trump, in addition to
Speaker 2: Kanye West, Nick Fuentes, and doctor Joseph mccola, have all
Speaker 2: been debanked, and it's a growing list. So well, I
Speaker 2: give here just a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: With PayPal, I had this program, was going on for
Speaker 1: five months and then all of a sudden, PayPal and
Speaker 1: Vemmo discontinue my service. I can't use them for anything anywhere.
Speaker 1: And I contacted them, spent a lot of time on
Speaker 1: the phone with them, and they said, I said, why
Speaker 1: was I taken off? I was never I didn't do
Speaker 1: anything illegitimate. I was never given a reason and I
Speaker 1: spent two hours on the phone with a guy there
Speaker 1: and he said, well, the only thing I can find
Speaker 1: is just this letter says shut this account down immediately.
Speaker 1: And so that is rolling All these different things are
Speaker 1: rolling out. You're right, you know. You go back and
Speaker 1: you look at when they were talking about the massive
Speaker 1: stimulus checks and all the rest of this stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: three and a half trillion dollars and stuff. People asked Powell.
Speaker 1: They said, so you're just going to print up a
Speaker 1: bunch of money. He goes, well, we don't really print it.
Speaker 1: We just create credits on the computer. Just like you
Speaker 1: were saying. It's already digital, it's already there. They're already
Speaker 1: tracking people, they're already restricting people's access de banking people.
Speaker 1: I saw it with Nigel Farage in the UK as well.
Speaker 1: And so they don't like you, they just kick you
Speaker 1: out of their financial system. And it's always done from
Speaker 1: the inside, and it's always done iteratively. And this, I think, Aaron,
Speaker 1: is what's really dangerous is that people are waiting for
Speaker 1: there to be some kind of a grand declaration, and
Speaker 1: of course the Democrats might actually do it in that
Speaker 1: ham fisted way, you know, the Democrats might come out
Speaker 1: and say, well, now, as of tomorrow, oh gonna everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna have to, you know, walk in a new way,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have a new kind of money and
Speaker 1: all the rest of this stuff. But the Republicans and
Speaker 1: many other people, the more sophisticated ones are the ones
Speaker 1: who are more dangerous, and they will do it in
Speaker 1: the background iteratively, and nobody will really understand what's happening.
Speaker 1: As you point out, it's all collecting, like with a
Speaker 1: MasterCard thing, and I've reported on that in the past,
Speaker 1: but people don't see that. It's it's invisible.
Speaker 2: Well, so this is what I'm gonna put in the
Speaker 2: new book, and you know, you're right. Whitney Web has
Speaker 2: written a lot about this, and I have as well,
Speaker 2: related to stable coins and everything else. What I've put
Speaker 2: together is what I call the Tyranny Index CBDC tyranny index.
Speaker 2: So we already have a CBDC, we already have digital
Speaker 2: programmable money. But what I've put together are the different
Speaker 2: elements of kind of If you think about the def
Speaker 2: con system that we have, right we go from def
Speaker 2: Con five to one. I guess I think one is
Speaker 2: the worst. Whatever it happens to be, but we're kind
Speaker 2: of already in the middle. So the end game for
Speaker 2: this is a single global digital currency that is tied
Speaker 2: to energy credits. That is literally the game plan. I've
Speaker 2: actually outlined this in my in my articles and that
Speaker 2: I'm going to further elaborate this. But we know who's
Speaker 2: building it, we know what the technology platform is, we
Speaker 2: know how it works. I mean, we know that nations
Speaker 2: are working on interoperability. So what the United States is
Speaker 2: doing with our CBDC isn't just related to a CBDC.
Speaker 2: They're going to tokenize all of our assets, our stocks,
Speaker 2: our bonds, our homes, our cars, our computers, and put
Speaker 2: it all on one platform with the same programmability and trackability,
Speaker 2: and that's going to connect with other countries that are
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. They're designing these things to interoperate.
Speaker 2: So when cloud schwaps is you'll own nothing and be happy,
Speaker 2: Well the way we're not going to be happy. But
Speaker 2: I can tell you how they're going to get to
Speaker 2: the you'll own nothing, and it's through this very specific
Speaker 2: process of digitizing all of these assets and tying it
Speaker 2: all together. So I put together this tyranny index, and
Speaker 2: you hit on a very important point. And look again,
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that the best that Trump can pardon, and
Speaker 2: actually that is something that he can do, and that's
Speaker 2: a useful thing to do. But when it comes to
Speaker 2: this issue of cbdc's, I've analyzed the legislation that for instance,
Speaker 2: Cynthia Loomis and some of these other politicians have put
Speaker 2: out there, and all of it adds to the tyranny index.
Speaker 2: The way the Republicans go about doing it is that
Speaker 2: they say, well, we don't want CBDCs, but what we're
Speaker 2: going to do is we're going to give the largest
Speaker 2: banks the exclusive ability to create what are called stable coins. Well,
Speaker 2: what is a stable coin. A stable coin is a
Speaker 2: digital programmable form of money. That's exactly what a CBDC is.
Speaker 2: And by the way, who owns the Federal Reserve. The
Speaker 2: largest banks own the Federal Reserve. So this idea that
Speaker 2: somehow you don't have a CBDC or you don't have
Speaker 2: all of the features of a CBDC just because it
Speaker 2: comes from JP Morgan, Chaser Wells Fargo is a false argument.
Speaker 2: And so I'm going to do so when I roll
Speaker 2: out the new book, I'm going to really spell out
Speaker 2: this tyranny index, and then every time a piece of
Speaker 2: legislation comes out, I don't care which party it is,
Speaker 2: we're going to be able to rate it and understand
Speaker 2: it based on how it increases or decreases tyranny on
Speaker 2: this CBDC scale. But I think it's critical that people
Speaker 2: understand that we already have a CBDC and stop looking
Speaker 2: at it as something in the future, and look at
Speaker 2: it as something that it's already unacceptably bad today, but
Speaker 2: boy can get worse, and it can get worse than
Speaker 2: people can even imagine at this point in time.
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, you know, so many people, Oh, we
Speaker 1: dodged a bullet. We've got Trump now, and so now
Speaker 1: it's going to be wonderful for a bitcoin and we
Speaker 1: stopped this CBDC stuff, not seeing, as you point out,
Speaker 1: the aspects of it that are already been put into place,
Speaker 1: not seeing who the players are, and even to the
Speaker 1: extent that you've got people like Howard Lutnik, who is
Speaker 1: very connected to tether is also the co chair of
Speaker 1: the transition team, the Trump transition. It's put himself out
Speaker 1: for Treasury Secretary. I don't know, I mean there's all
Speaker 1: this gossip about who's in and who's out and who's
Speaker 1: going to make it to this point. I didn't really
Speaker 1: get involved in that, but I've seen the articles talking
Speaker 1: about that, so you've already got that. And Hadron has
Speaker 1: just been introduced by the Tether people as another way
Speaker 1: to tokenize everything, I mean everything. As you point out,
Speaker 1: you'll own nothing. Why because they will tokenize everything, not
Speaker 1: just you know, financial assets like stocks and bonds or
Speaker 1: other things, but also land and everything else will be
Speaker 1: tokenized and that'll be the way that they will be
Speaker 1: able to steal it from everybody. And they're well on
Speaker 1: the way to do this. So that's really, I think, Aaron,
Speaker 1: what our task is. We have to get people to
Speaker 1: understand what this new scheme is. Whenever you see this
Speaker 1: change of the guard, what it is. It's about a rebranding.
Speaker 1: It's about, you know, getting people confused and thinking, well,
Speaker 1: things have changed when they haven't really changed. But they rebrand,
Speaker 1: they regroup, and they come at us from another direction.
Speaker 1: But it's always fundamentally the same thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It is always fundamentally the same thing, And so this
Speaker 2: is why terms matter, I mean, and propaganda is in
Speaker 2: this area of CBDCs and technocracy in general, this is
Speaker 2: where they really control the battlefield because they keep on
Speaker 2: shifting definitions. Yes, they've made people think that CBDCs are
Speaker 2: something that are coming in the future without actually addressing
Speaker 2: the fact that there's something that's already here now. And
Speaker 2: as long as they move the goalpost out and keep
Speaker 2: making it look like it's more tyrannical and adding more
Speaker 2: tyranny to what the actual definition is, people will be
Speaker 2: lulled into the sense of complacency believing that you know,
Speaker 2: they're not already in a situation where they're tracked, and
Speaker 2: you know, the great taking is another component of this.
Speaker 2: You know, this is how they're going to basically take
Speaker 2: control of our stocks in four to one case, they've
Speaker 2: already done it legally. In fact, I wrote an article
Speaker 2: about this. You know, in a way, we've done this
Speaker 2: to ourselves because we sign these clickwrap agreements. When you
Speaker 2: I think Amazon has a twelve thousand word agreement for
Speaker 2: using their service, Wells Fargo has a thirty page online agreement.
Speaker 2: The Microsoft terms of Service are seventy pages. So the
Speaker 2: average American signs between one hundred and fifty and four
Speaker 2: hundred digital clickwrap agreements every year. Does anybody read them? No,
Speaker 2: they don't. This has actually been shown. Somebody did a
Speaker 2: study on this and they actually put into the terms
Speaker 2: of service that you will literally give your first born
Speaker 2: child to the state and you will give up all
Speaker 2: of your data to the NSA. And seventy six percent
Speaker 2: of people actually signed the digital agreement. And so if
Speaker 2: you were to read all of these agreements, it would
Speaker 2: take an hour a day three hundred and sixty five
Speaker 2: days a year. So literally it's a life sentence of
Speaker 2: reading if you were to read these contracts. But we
Speaker 2: are giving away in these online agreements is everything. We're
Speaker 2: giving away our privacy, we're giving away our data. There
Speaker 2: was a recent case where somebody, a doctor, had eaten
Speaker 2: at a restaurant on a Disney property and died of
Speaker 2: a food allergy, and Disney tried to use the Disney
Speaker 2: Plus Online Service agreement to get out of the lawsuit
Speaker 2: for the food poisoning. And that just goes to show you,
Speaker 2: you know, particularly when we're dealing with these large contracts
Speaker 2: with multinational corporations where we have no idea what all
Speaker 2: the companies are that they own and what everything is.
Speaker 2: So we've done this. We've given away on the stockfront,
Speaker 2: and on four to one case, we've already given away
Speaker 2: our voting rights. When people say Blackrock and Vanguard own
Speaker 2: all of these companies, well they don't know. It's actually
Speaker 2: technically not true. It's our money, right, they're just represented
Speaker 2: its assets under management. Well, there are assets, or at
Speaker 2: least so we think there are assets, but the things
Speaker 2: we've already given up our voting rights. Usually, when you
Speaker 2: own a share of stock in a company, that entitles
Speaker 2: you to vote on things. But with four to one case,
Speaker 2: that's not the case. We give fidelity in all of
Speaker 2: these brokers and third parties the ability to vote all
Speaker 2: of our shares. So we've given up our voting rights.
Speaker 2: And then the next time there's a major financial collapse
Speaker 2: and there's a bankruptcy, Let's say your broker goes bankrupt.
Speaker 2: You might think you would own those shares, but we
Speaker 2: don't own those shares. It turns out, because of changes
Speaker 2: in the law, our shares will end up going to
Speaker 2: the four largest banks through the bankruptcy process, because those
Speaker 2: four large banks will become the large secured creditors. So
Speaker 2: this so legally the infrastructure has already been set up.
Speaker 2: We've already signed away our rights. What's happening with CBDCs
Speaker 2: and the ability to tokenize these assets is that's going
Speaker 2: to make it so that when there's a collapse, they
Speaker 2: can literally take everything with a click of a button.
Speaker 2: And that is the that is a scary thing. So
Speaker 2: my next book is going to go into that in
Speaker 2: great detail. And I again I'm going to be very
Speaker 2: rigorous about showing people this, but I will say again
Speaker 2: to go back to Roger. The reason Roger is so
Speaker 2: important to me and the reason that I'm spending so
Speaker 2: much time talking about this is not only did I
Speaker 2: learn about bitcoin from him, but I you know, I've
Speaker 2: been living on crypto gold and silver since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and you know, I started using bitcoin cash, which is
Speaker 2: a work of bitcoin. Roger didn't start it, but it's
Speaker 2: he promoted it once there was this whole block size
Speaker 2: war and everything else. It's basically the original version of
Speaker 2: bitcoin where with you know, low fees, and that's made
Speaker 2: to be used as peer to peer digital cash. And
Speaker 2: then recently Roger had introduced me to something called Xeno,
Speaker 2: which is a privacy coin because in essence, The way
Speaker 2: we're going to defeat CBDCs is we need to actually
Speaker 2: have privacy with our digital currency. And what Roger and
Speaker 2: Ian Freeman and Ross Olbrich and others have learned and
Speaker 2: what the public is still not aware of, is bitcoin
Speaker 2: is a public ledger and these transactions are open, and
Speaker 2: in fact, there's a data There are tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of copies of everybody's financial transactions and databases all over
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that, and I saw that with a
Speaker 1: Let me just jump in and give the example of
Speaker 1: a guy who was a billionaire and he had nearly
Speaker 1: a million dollars stolen out of his wallet and he
Speaker 1: didn't know it, and some guy contacted him and he said, uh,
Speaker 1: did you know what was going on with this? And
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that. And I've talked about that
Speaker 1: many times. You know, it's a public first of all,
Speaker 1: it's a public leisure number one. Number two. You know
Speaker 1: how easy it was for somebody somewhere to steal that
Speaker 1: from him. But everybody can see that, and this guy
Speaker 1: had connected it to.
Speaker 2: Him, yep, And people aren't aware of that. So now
Speaker 2: they're using something called chain analysis to be able to
Speaker 2: track all of your transactions, and so the key moving
Speaker 2: forward is privacy. So Roger introduced me to this project
Speaker 2: called Zano. I was just in Mexico. I just met
Speaker 2: with the develop team and the whole team, and it's
Speaker 2: it's an incredible project. And again Roger has been pushing
Speaker 2: the envelope on, you know, we need peer to peer
Speaker 2: digital cash. And in fact, one of the ideas that
Speaker 2: I'm working on is you know, I'm working on launching
Speaker 2: what I'm calling is a goldbacked privacy stable coin. So
Speaker 2: in other words, we talk about Tether and all of
Speaker 2: the issues regarding Tether. I will tell you it is
Speaker 2: my personal opinion that Tether is going to implode, and
Speaker 2: when it implodes, it's going to take Bitcoin down with
Speaker 2: it because the price because the price of bitcoin has
Speaker 2: been propped up by tether. Heeather's essentially been printed out
Speaker 2: of thin air. We don't even know if the tether's
Speaker 2: backed by anything.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think I just saw they added like
Speaker 1: another seven billion dollars or something, which is a significant
Speaker 1: percentage of what was outstanding.
Speaker 2: It's a significant percentage. So what happens is if Tether,
Speaker 2: you know, runs into issues, the price of bitcoin will
Speaker 2: drop and that will provide the perfect pretext for them
Speaker 2: to ratchet up as CBDC. They're going to say, oh,
Speaker 2: look we tried these other solutions. Bitcoin's not stable in
Speaker 2: terms of price. Tether was you know, problem attic and
Speaker 2: you know, or possibly even fraudulent. And so we're going
Speaker 2: to have to give complete control over CBDCs and stable
Speaker 2: coins to the Federal Reserve into the largest banks in
Speaker 2: uniteds It's it's it's already being teed up for that.
Speaker 2: And when you read the legislation, Cynthia loomis again these
Speaker 2: bitcoin people love her, but she has laser eyes and
Speaker 2: everything else, and she talks about a Bitcoin strategic preserve.
Speaker 2: Read the bill that she drafted with Jillibrand from New York.
Speaker 2: She wants to ban algorithmic stable coins. Explicitly, she's against
Speaker 2: privacy and she is for increasing KYC Know your Customer
Speaker 2: anti money laundering laws, adding more layers of compliance for
Speaker 2: the individual and compliance for the exchange. This isn't the
Speaker 2: way forward, and so we are facing this now. Let's
Speaker 2: now let me put out an optimistic cat. What should
Speaker 2: happen is they should put pardon Roger and then the
Speaker 2: Trump administration should actually listen to Roger.
Speaker 1: I think that the Secretary of the Treasury.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well mak him secretary of the Tree or just or
Speaker 2: just listen to him read this book. Because if Trump's
Speaker 2: true intent is if he wants us, if he wants
Speaker 2: the United States to be competitive in this crypto space,
Speaker 2: then he really needs to listen to Roger. So this
Speaker 2: is why I'm so adamant about promoting Roger, because he's
Speaker 2: not only been an advocate for freedom, but he's actually
Speaker 2: probably the most influential person in terms of promoting solutions
Speaker 2: to the CBDC issue, which is probably why he is
Speaker 2: where he is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, let me back a couple of bit
Speaker 1: you were talking about Zayo. Is that something that is
Speaker 1: under development or is that out there already?
Speaker 2: It's out there already. It's actually at least felt a
Speaker 2: z A n okay and it's z A n O
Speaker 2: dot org. This is a fascinating project and it's probably
Speaker 2: the most it's underappreciated. Most people just don't know about it.
Speaker 2: I think part of it is that it's it's very
Speaker 2: technically sophisticated. The main developer who started this has been
Speaker 2: working on these things for ten years. He actually developed
Speaker 2: some of the original technology behind Minaro, and Minaro is
Speaker 2: widely considered to be the most popular privacy coin, and
Speaker 2: this guy was there at the very beginning, and so
Speaker 2: Xeno itself has been around since twenty nineteen, and so
Speaker 2: they've actually been building the technology for this for five years.
Speaker 2: The team has worked together and it already works. So
Speaker 2: basically it is a privacy coin. But the added feature
Speaker 2: to this is it allows you to tokenize other assets
Speaker 2: with the same level of privacy that you have with Minaro.
Speaker 2: So I'll explain why this is important. So money represents
Speaker 2: five percent of global assets. Real estate, stock spawns, everything else.
Speaker 2: All other non monetary assets make up that other ninety
Speaker 2: five percent. Excuse me, as I was mentioning when they
Speaker 2: roll out CBDCs, they're already working on a technology to
Speaker 2: centrally okenize all of our other assets so that they
Speaker 2: can control everything. They can control our real estate, our
Speaker 2: investment portfolios. So we need an answer not only to CBDCs,
Speaker 2: but we also need an answer to this project to
Speaker 2: centrally tokenize all of our other assets. Minaro is what
Speaker 2: allows you to do this, and so I'm actually working
Speaker 2: on a gold backed privacy stable coin.
Speaker 1: They know, Oh, okay, is it Monaro or Zeno that
Speaker 1: you said allows you to do that.
Speaker 2: Zeno allows you to do that. Zan allows you to
Speaker 2: do the tokenization. So basically Zeno you can use it
Speaker 2: as a currency in its own right like Monaro, but
Speaker 2: it also allows you to tokenize these other assets. And
Speaker 2: so some of the use cases for this are I mean, again,
Speaker 2: in the future, you could tokenize stock, spons and everything else,
Speaker 2: but the immediate applications are you could create a gold
Speaker 2: backed stable coin that is private. So imagine now you're
Speaker 2: able to use a cryptocurrency that is actually backed by
Speaker 2: gold that you could physically redeem for gold, but yet
Speaker 2: the individual transactions remain private, like minero. That's one application
Speaker 2: of Xeno. Another application that's being rolled out is we
Speaker 2: talked about the fact that Bitcoin and ethereum and bitcoin
Speaker 2: cash these other cryptocurrencies are transparent. You can actually use
Speaker 2: Zeno to make bitcoin private. So there's this I want
Speaker 2: to get into all the details on it, but there's
Speaker 2: something called confidential layer that's going to allow you to
Speaker 2: take your bitcoin, bridge it into Xano and make it private.
Speaker 2: So really, what Zeno is is it is a blockchain
Speaker 2: that is specifically for enabling you to make other assets private.
Speaker 2: And to me, this is actually of critical importance because
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme of things, the big battle that
Speaker 2: we have right now is we're fighting against technocracy. We're
Speaker 2: fighting against the movement towards a one world government where
Speaker 2: everything is transparent, at least to the people that are
Speaker 2: running that show. So privacy is actually the answer to this.
Speaker 2: So all of the solutions that we're going to be
Speaker 2: looking to are going to be privacy protecting solutions and technologies,
Speaker 2: and I think Xeno is actually at the forefront to this.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, you know, we had Life after Google
Speaker 1: that the book about that, and what he was saying
Speaker 1: was he said, privacy is going to become a real commodity.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the problem is is that
Speaker 1: people don't value that enough. You know, when we look
Speaker 1: at privacy, and so if we value that enough, then
Speaker 1: we will find constructs to do things like that, like
Speaker 1: you're talking about was the and other things. They've got
Speaker 1: a couple of questions for you, d G eight, says
Speaker 1: David Cann. You please ask yesterday about XRP ripple fast
Speaker 1: Little fees. But the only crypto listed as a w
Speaker 1: e F business partner. What do you think about Ripple.
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of Ripple, but again I want
Speaker 2: to say specifically what I do, and I do workshops
Speaker 2: around the country and the increasingly next year around the
Speaker 2: world where I teach people how to use crypto for
Speaker 2: the day to day transactions, and I'm also onboarding merchants
Speaker 2: to be able to accept crypto. And one of the
Speaker 2: the criteria for me now is it has to be
Speaker 2: private by default, because what we're really triding up against
Speaker 2: here are CBDCs, and so we need privacy. So I'm
Speaker 2: really looking at Monaro and Zeno as being the preferred options.
Speaker 2: Whether what coins do from a speculative price perspective, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not an expert at that. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at the utility of the projects and with the understanding
Speaker 2: that we need to be able to trade with one
Speaker 2: another outside of this beast system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. Brian and Deb McCartney ask if
Speaker 1: you know, are we already in bricks the FED attended
Speaker 1: the Bricks meeting in Russia. She said no about that, I.
Speaker 2: Do not. I have not seen that, but I certainly
Speaker 2: I can't imagine that we're in bricks.
Speaker 1: Okay, and of course that other one we've already talked
Speaker 1: about about, the Manaro pirate coin and Zeno. They also
Speaker 1: put Darrow. I guess is there something called Darrow? Is
Speaker 1: that another one?
Speaker 2: There's another one? And you know, I think they had
Speaker 2: some technical issues with this that were exposed earlier in
Speaker 2: the year. But I'm not by the way, I also
Speaker 2: want to say, I'm not a maximalist. So there's one.
Speaker 2: There's an interesting thing that happens. I was just in
Speaker 2: Mexico at a Mineroitopia conference, and so obviously the focus
Speaker 2: was primarily Minarrow, but there were other privacy coins there.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just limited to Monaro, and we had a
Speaker 2: lot of interesting talks there because, particularly if you're a libertarian,
Speaker 2: for some reason, the technocrats want one global currency. But
Speaker 2: yet somehow we've gotten into this mode where there are
Speaker 2: people that seem to think on the libertarian side that
Speaker 2: we should only have one cryptocurrency, like Bitcoin should be
Speaker 2: the only cryptocurrency. People want to be maximalists, and it
Speaker 2: seems to me that the marketplace is the best way
Speaker 2: to settle this, and that the idea itself that we
Speaker 2: would only have one currency doesn't make sense. You should
Speaker 2: have ongoing competition. And that's one of the things I
Speaker 2: like about the privacy space is that there are a
Speaker 2: lot of projects and there's a lot of innovation being
Speaker 2: done on an ongoing basis. And so I highly recommend
Speaker 2: people take a multi asset approach, but with a very
Speaker 2: specific emphasis on privacy. And we go back to something
Speaker 2: you said earlier, because you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 2: This is a real challenge. So when I do my workshops,
Speaker 2: most of the people in my workshops are boomers, gen
Speaker 2: X or boomers. And here's what I've found. Older people
Speaker 2: value privacy, but aren't as technical. They find technology a
Speaker 2: little bit more cumbersome to use, and younger people don't
Speaker 2: value privacy. There was a HATO survey that found that
Speaker 2: almost a third of Gen Z would be okay with
Speaker 2: the federal government putting security cameras in people's homes. So
Speaker 2: this is the real challenge right now, which is, you know,
Speaker 2: the one We have to get younger people to value
Speaker 2: privacy and we need to make the tools easy enough
Speaker 2: for older people. That is actually the path forward here.
Speaker 2: And these are the sticking points that we have and
Speaker 2: you know, I know there's a lot of work being
Speaker 2: done on that. There's a whole privacy Accelerate movement, and
Speaker 2: I know that there are a lot of people that
Speaker 2: are looking to try to get privacy out in the forefront.
Speaker 2: I mean, privacy is a right. We have the Fourth Amendment,
Speaker 2: which or at least we had the fourth Amendment. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is something that that people, uh, you know, we
Speaker 2: used to assume by default. But I think you know,
Speaker 2: between George W. Bush and everybody else, we've they've been
Speaker 2: pushing this, you know, narrative of uh, you know, if
Speaker 2: you if you have something, if you have nothing to hide,
Speaker 2: then you have nothing to worry about, right, And so
Speaker 2: there's this idea that if you want privacy, you must
Speaker 2: be a criminal, you must be a terrorist, you must
Speaker 2: be a money lunder. And the truth of the matter
Speaker 2: is that when you look into who's actually doing these
Speaker 2: violent activities, it's not people using privacy protecting technologies. It's
Speaker 2: the people trying to suppress other people from using privacy
Speaker 2: protecting technologies. And so we have to do a better
Speaker 2: job of marketing why privacy is important. I don't want
Speaker 2: privacy because I want to buy illegal things. I want
Speaker 2: privacy because I want to be able to buy organic
Speaker 2: vegetables in the future, I want to be able to
Speaker 2: buy red meat, or I want to be able to
Speaker 2: buy raw milk. And this is something where what is it,
Speaker 2: you know, what most people buy is normal products today
Speaker 2: are going to be black market items in the future.
Speaker 2: And so but they need to be educated on why
Speaker 2: why privacy is important to make sure that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, very well said yeah, I absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 1: And you know, you talk about how marketing privacy to people.
Speaker 1: I think they marketed Big Brother to people. As a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I've always thought that these programs that began,
Speaker 1: you know, the Big Brother reality TV show where everybody
Speaker 1: lives their life in front of a camera. I always
Speaker 1: thought that that was the purpose of it. It came
Speaker 1: out before they started social media, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of this gradual acclamation of people, Hey, these people who
Speaker 1: are nobody and they don't have any special skills or
Speaker 1: abilities or whatever, but they become important celebrities by letting
Speaker 1: everybody look at their life. And they've got everybody chasing
Speaker 1: likes and followers and all this other kind of stuff
Speaker 1: now on social media, and so that's really kind of
Speaker 1: for the last thirty or so years, that's been what
Speaker 1: they have projected it out there. The people growing up
Speaker 1: see that, and to them that is, you know, a
Speaker 1: way to be liked, a way to get famous, a
Speaker 1: way to get money, and all the rest of stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they have really trashed privacy and we've got
Speaker 1: to somehow get that generation, the younger generation is to
Speaker 1: understand that. I've got another question for you here we
Speaker 1: go on. Fans says, does your guest know of a
Speaker 1: speaker who can address professional financial organizations such as the
Speaker 1: CFA Society and the Financial Planning Association. It can be
Speaker 1: in person or virtual. Do you do that type of thing?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I'll address anybody. I guess the question
Speaker 2: is what is the what is the topic? But I'll
Speaker 2: talk to anybody about these issues. And I do know,
Speaker 2: and I have spoken in front of groups before. The
Speaker 2: problem is for a lot of people that are registered
Speaker 2: financial advisors, they're very constrained by what they can do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could go on a whole conversation about this.
Speaker 2: I actually spend a lot of time looking at BINRA,
Speaker 2: which is basically the governing body for financial advisors, and
Speaker 2: I was considering going through their program because I wanted
Speaker 2: to a little bit of a side story, but I
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to figure out how to use
Speaker 2: tokens digital tokens as a way to kind of replace stock,
Speaker 2: so basically to be able to create a private stock
Speaker 2: market using tokenized stock instead of going through the formal process.
Speaker 2: And so once I learned how the existing system works
Speaker 2: through Finray, realized that's not possible. Finra is basically a
Speaker 2: trade association. It's a cartel of organizations in the financial
Speaker 2: services industry, but they have the backing of the SEC
Speaker 2: so they basically can come up with their own rules,
Speaker 2: but then it's enforced by the state. And so then
Speaker 2: when you look at what's going on here, it turns
Speaker 2: out they don't have much of an incentive for true innovation,
Speaker 2: specifically in the financial services sector itself. But I'm happy
Speaker 2: to talk to people about about all of these things.
Speaker 2: I would love to talk to financial advisors about Fiat currency,
Speaker 2: the history of Fiat currency, the current state of the
Speaker 2: United States dollar. The Brownstone Intcat has actually done some
Speaker 2: research recently that kind of shows what true inflation is
Speaker 2: versus what has been reported officially by the government. The
Speaker 2: dollar has lost somewhere between twenty five and forty percent
Speaker 2: of its purchasing power since twenty twenty. If you actually
Speaker 2: look at the real underlying numbers, we've actually we are
Speaker 2: in a recession. We've been in a recession since twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. So I'd love to talk to you know,
Speaker 2: groups about this, but it's really outside of their training,
Speaker 2: and it's it's outside of what their mandate is because
Speaker 2: when they provide financial advice, it's within a within their certification,
Speaker 2: and what they're certified to teach people is in my opinion,
Speaker 2: against what is going on and against the economic reality
Speaker 2: of what we're facing right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When you look at any government statistics,
Speaker 1: whether you look about inflation and unemployment numbers, consumer confidence,
Speaker 1: or they rig the process and then if that's not enough,
Speaker 1: they just outright lie, you know, like we s with
Speaker 1: the unemployment it's like, hey, yeah, we'll just we got
Speaker 1: to revise what we told you three months ago. We
Speaker 1: told you that there were eight hundred thousand more jobs
Speaker 1: than there really were, but that's not there anymore. They
Speaker 1: constantly do that. They're constantly revising the previous quarter's numbers
Speaker 1: to create a positive trend for them. Everything they do
Speaker 1: is alia. It's absolutely amazing. Guard Goldsmith says, it's sure
Speaker 1: great to know good people like David and Aaron are
Speaker 1: out there doing this talking about this matter. I hope
Speaker 1: more folks will speak out. Of course, Guard has a
Speaker 1: liberty conspiracy. Everybody can catch that weeknights on Rock Finn
Speaker 1: as well as on X on Twitter. But tell us
Speaker 1: where people can get your information. You've got substate, you
Speaker 1: got a podcast, you got subsach, you got some books,
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about do some self
Speaker 1: promotion here.
Speaker 2: Sure I'll do that, but before I do that, I
Speaker 2: want to say, you know, so right now when I'm focused,
Speaker 2: I'm writing this book and really going into detail not
Speaker 2: only on CBDCs, but we already have a social credit system.
Speaker 2: It's the tax code, right even if you if you
Speaker 2: look at how four one k's work, if they use
Speaker 2: the penalties and incentives of the tax go to drive
Speaker 2: our behavior, we just don't have a user friendly app
Speaker 2: that tells us how it's going. So I'm actually going
Speaker 2: to go into that detail in the book. But I
Speaker 2: do want to say, since Gardner brought this up and
Speaker 2: I haven't mentioned it yet, there's another campaign in addition
Speaker 2: to Free Roger now dot org. There is a parallel
Speaker 2: campaign going to free Ian Freeman, and that is free
Speaker 2: Ian now dot org. And Ian is in federal prison
Speaker 2: for eight years basically for selling bitcoin without the right paperwork.
Speaker 2: Although it's much worse than that. The case against him
Speaker 2: was completely made up. Prosecutorial misconduct is probably an understatement.
Speaker 2: They brought in, you know, undercover agents, they did a
Speaker 2: whole variety of different things. There's but if you go
Speaker 2: to free iannow dot org you can learn all about
Speaker 2: that case. And so there's an initiative to bring awareness
Speaker 2: to this as well. I actually think Ian has a
Speaker 2: good shot at winning on appeal. So he's still under
Speaker 2: an appeal process and so you know, hopefully he'll have
Speaker 2: some success with that. But I will say Roger learned
Speaker 2: about bitcoin from Ian. So Ian has been involved with
Speaker 2: Free Talk Live, which is a syndicated radio show that
Speaker 2: he and Mark Edge had been working on for a
Speaker 2: couple of decades.
Speaker 1: And Garden's working with that now Guard is taking over
Speaker 1: the programole he's in car storted doing some broadcasts for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've talked about.
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, and I will tell you I just saw
Speaker 2: some I think ten percent of the people that are
Speaker 2: part of the Free State Project here in New Hampshire
Speaker 2: learned about it from free Talk Live. So what's happening
Speaker 2: to Ian is also a travesty. But I mean, as
Speaker 2: far as my work is concerned, I'm working on this book,
Speaker 2: but I am going to be spending a lot of
Speaker 2: time promoting Roger Ian and even working on an event,
Speaker 2: hopefully before the inauguration that may include a songe and
Speaker 2: Ross Olbrich and Snowden as well, to try to really
Speaker 2: build some energy and momentum around this pardon concept. But
Speaker 2: I'm at Daylightfreedom dot org and there you can learn
Speaker 2: about everything that I'm up to, the workshops that we
Speaker 2: do around the country teaching people about CBDCs and then
Speaker 2: how to actually practically use cryptogold and silver for day
Speaker 2: to day transactions. You can find me on x at
Speaker 2: Aaron R. Day and I do have a podcast, the
Speaker 2: Er and Day Show, which we cover very interesting topics.
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of it is related to CBDCs,
Speaker 2: but a lot of it is also related more broadly
Speaker 2: to the concept of exiting and building some non political solutions.
Speaker 2: So I had a guest on Sterlin Leuhan and we
Speaker 2: talked about network states, which is a new and interesting concept.
Speaker 2: So the idea is, you know, the way to stop
Speaker 2: centralization is to create more countries. If you actually look
Speaker 2: at how most governments have evolved, they've either been you know,
Speaker 2: somebody just came in by force and then dictated the
Speaker 2: way society was going to run. The US was a
Speaker 2: little bit different, but there hasn't really been a lot
Speaker 2: of experimentation on governance. And so there's this new model
Speaker 2: where people are basically getting together based on a common interest,
Speaker 2: people that have a kind of a shared ideology, and
Speaker 2: then they're going out and trying to buy sovereignty. And
Speaker 2: so this is this is kind of a new movement.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's not a big part.
Speaker 1: What does buying sovereignty look like, I mean buying real
Speaker 1: estate in a particular area or what you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's there are.
Speaker 2: A lot of different models and this is this is
Speaker 2: part of why it's it's early, but some of it
Speaker 2: involves trying to actually buy buy your own, you know,
Speaker 2: political sovereignty from a nation, to actually get a carve
Speaker 2: out from a country so that you can actually have
Speaker 2: your own political system. In political structure.
Speaker 1: I mean, like Bill Gates just did in that African
Speaker 1: nation where he has diplomatic community and he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to pay taxes, and he's got a place to run
Speaker 1: to if the legal hassles start mounting up as they have.
Speaker 1: And in one jurisdiction they said he's got to stand trial.
Speaker 1: I think is the Netherlands or something. But he went
Speaker 1: to what was it, Kenya? I think he went to
Speaker 1: Kenya and and I guess paid off some politicians. So
Speaker 1: you can have diplomatic community and tax for existence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's quite the model we're looking
Speaker 2: for here. I think we're looking for more, you know,
Speaker 2: creating a community of people that have a shared ideology
Speaker 2: that are experimenting with governance. But of course, you know,
Speaker 2: Bill Gates takes takes any concept and storts it to
Speaker 2: the detriment of humanity.
Speaker 1: He's got enough money that he can distort anything that's
Speaker 1: absolutely true. I got another question here for you. DG
Speaker 1: eight says, can you ask yesterday about Jeff Berwick, a
Speaker 1: huge supporter of privacy coins. It would be a good
Speaker 1: guest on the David Night Show. Tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about do you know anything about Jeff. I don't
Speaker 1: know anything.
Speaker 2: I've known Jeff for a while and you know, he's
Speaker 2: a he's a great advocate for privacy coins. I'm actually
Speaker 2: going to be speaking at his event and Archapoco in February,
Speaker 2: and he was just at this event that I was
Speaker 2: at in Mexico City. So yeah, he would be a
Speaker 2: very interesting guest to have on. And he's been very
Speaker 2: early into crypto and he's an interesting guy in general
Speaker 2: in a variety of different ways. I know he's gone
Speaker 2: through a spiritual transformation as well, so he probably would
Speaker 2: be an interesting person to have on.
Speaker 1: What you mean by a spiritual transformation? Tell us at
Speaker 1: a bit about.
Speaker 2: That, Jesus. I don't know a lot of the details
Speaker 2: about it, but he just, you know, went through some
Speaker 2: things in his personal life and kind of you really
Speaker 2: changed his attitudes and behaviors, and you'd have to talk
Speaker 2: to him about all that. I don't want to represent
Speaker 2: somebody's spiritual journey, but that I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you became a follower a Bitcoin Jesus
Speaker 1: or something. So you met him at the Zayo conference.
Speaker 1: I guess it was that you were just at.
Speaker 2: Her well that was man Aratopia even know I've actually
Speaker 2: known I've met Jeff probably ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, good, Well, it's great talking to you, and
Speaker 1: thank you so much for everything that you're doing. This
Speaker 1: is really at the core of freedom because it's always
Speaker 1: money that makes the change that control us, isn't it,
Speaker 1: you know? And that's one of the things that concerns
Speaker 1: me about the blockchain. It almost sounds like we're being
Speaker 1: chained to a block and it's going to be it's
Speaker 1: going to be something like that if we don't figure
Speaker 1: out some methods for privacy and freedom. And so really
Speaker 1: do appreciate the work and the research that you do.
Speaker 2: Aaron.
Speaker 1: It's always great to have you on. You're always welcome
Speaker 1: to come on anytime. And folks, he's talking now about
Speaker 1: free rogernow dot org, also free iannow dot org and
Speaker 1: so if you would like to speak out on behalf
Speaker 1: of those people, try to bring awareness to them. Hopefully
Speaker 1: the same thing will happen as we expect to see
Speaker 1: with Ross Albrick and that was a free Ross And
Speaker 1: I know that his mother has worked on this, Lynn
Speaker 1: has worked on it for such a long time. Is
Speaker 1: she is she? Okay? Now. Is she still involved with that?
Speaker 1: What is do you know anything?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, No. I met her probably ten
Speaker 2: years ago at a Portfast event, and I've actually talked
Speaker 2: to her recently. She's an amazing person.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In fact, if i'd like to.
Speaker 1: Get her on again, I've talked to her multiple times
Speaker 1: years ago, but it's been a few years now since
Speaker 1: I talked to her. I'd love to talk to her again. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She is the single example that shows that what one
Speaker 2: person can do if you actually, if you care and
Speaker 2: you put in the work like it is just remarkable
Speaker 2: to see what she's been able to do. Even when
Speaker 2: I was at Maneritopia. I mean I was actually wearing
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not wearing it right now is wearing a
Speaker 2: free Raws shirt. The whole community down at this event
Speaker 2: is supportive of Ross and then it's all because of
Speaker 2: just you know, how persistent she's been on it. So
Speaker 2: she's great. I think she's a tremendous person, and you know,
Speaker 2: I think at this point she's probably just probably doesn't
Speaker 2: want to rock the boat too much because it looks
Speaker 2: like the situation is locked in. Trumps tweeted on this
Speaker 2: three or four times and it looks like it's going
Speaker 2: to happen. So I'm really really happy for her.
Speaker 1: I think you'll do that. I mean, you know, it
Speaker 1: would be a way for him to deliver on some
Speaker 1: campaign promises. It be a win and be easy for him.
Speaker 1: And we just hope that we can get some publicity
Speaker 1: for the other people, for Roger Verin, for Ian, free
Speaker 1: Ian now dot org and free Roger now dot org.
Speaker 1: Try to get some of these other people and they're
Speaker 1: so good to talk to you. Thank you Erin, appreciate it,
Speaker 1: and thank you. That's it for today's broadcast, folks, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us. Have a good day.
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