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<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome back, and joining us now is Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Day and he contacted me. We've talked in the past

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<v Speaker 1>about gold and silver and crypto, and we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that a little bit today as well, but he

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<v Speaker 1>primarily wanted to get on to talk about moves to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get some of these crypto prisoners freed. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned earlier, and we all know, because I've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this many times, how the Democrats had a

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<v Speaker 1>war on crypto and we've got a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>who have been railroaded, unjustly convicted and should be pardoned.

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<v Speaker 1>And the hope is that Trump may do that. He

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<v Speaker 1>has mentioned Ross Olbrich but and there was a free

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<v Speaker 1>Ross campaign that went on for quite some time. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there is a free Roger campaign to try to free

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<v Speaker 1>Roger Verer. Thanks for joining us, Arin and tell us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. Yeah, this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most egregious. I mean, there are actually all of

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<v Speaker 2>these cases are egregious, the Ross olbrit case and the

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<v Speaker 2>Ian Freeman case. And I think that Rogers case is

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<v Speaker 2>actually shocked me more than anything else because I learned

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<v Speaker 2>about crypto for the first time from Roger Vere in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve. He Roger earned the nickname Bitcoin Jesus because

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<v Speaker 2>he literally evangelized this. He was the first retailer to

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<v Speaker 2>take bitcoin. He was the first investor in bitcoin related companies.

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<v Speaker 2>He literally traveled around the world and his focus on

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<v Speaker 2>this because you and I have talked about crypto before.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as we look at what's going on with

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<v Speaker 2>bitcoin now and people buying bitcoin through black rock ETFs

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<v Speaker 2>and everything else, right, that was not Roger's vision. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you got involved in bitcoin from twenty ten to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, you got involved with bitcoin because you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>an alternative currency to fiat currency. You wanted something that

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<v Speaker 2>fixed the problems of central banks and money printing. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what happened with the two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 2>financial crisis and what happens with the military industrial complex

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<v Speaker 2>blowing people up all over the world. Roger was the

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<v Speaker 2>best person at our ticket relating that vision and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to spread freedom across the globe. And so Roger has

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting story. Roger had actually been arrested and spent

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<v Speaker 2>time in prison for selling fireworks. He was literally on eBay.

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<v Speaker 2>He was literally the only person who was ever arrested

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<v Speaker 2>for this. There were retailers that continued to sell the

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<v Speaker 2>very same fireworks that he went to prison for. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason he went to prison is that he was very vocal.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a libertarian, and he would talk about you know, taxationist, theft,

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<v Speaker 2>and wars murder, and he was very consistent about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and he spoke out against the ATF. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>very specifically why he was targeted. So he spent I

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<v Speaker 2>believe ten months in federal prison. This was like around

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand or so, and then you know, he decided

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<v Speaker 2>to leave the country, so effectively, you know, he left,

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<v Speaker 2>he started the process of leaving the country. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>right after his prison experience. He had a hard time

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<v Speaker 2>making that happen. I think he moved to Japan for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, but then he formally left the United States

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<v Speaker 2>patriated in twenty fourteen, and he paid an exit tax

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<v Speaker 2>on bitcoin. He went through the normal process, hired lawyers,

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<v Speaker 2>hired accountants, and paid what he thought was his proper

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<v Speaker 2>exit tax. And the thing that you have to understand

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<v Speaker 2>is in twenty fourteen, the IRS didn't even know how

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<v Speaker 2>to treat bitcoin. There wasn't any guidance, is is it

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<v Speaker 2>an asset, is it a currency? How do you do

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<v Speaker 2>the tax treatment. On top of that, the largest exchange

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<v Speaker 2>called mount Gox had just collapsed, so in actuality, the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of bitcoin that Roger had had he sold it

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<v Speaker 2>would have actually crashed the market completely. So he paid that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, based on his professional guidance. He paid the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of tax that he thought he owed, and then

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<v Speaker 2>basically ten years later they come after him after he's

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<v Speaker 2>no longer a citizen in this country. And it gets

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<v Speaker 2>even worse than that. And I think I'd spoken about

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<v Speaker 2>this before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Rogers, real quickly, what is the statute limitations for

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<v Speaker 1>taxes and stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>It's right, he's right up on the edge. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's very near the end. It's within twelve months of

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<v Speaker 2>the furthest edge case on his particular situation.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised that it's that long. Really, I guess they've

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<v Speaker 1>got a longer statute of limitations than they new for pedophilia,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which is only three years one.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are a lot of different charges. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>part of the problem with this is it's just retroactively.

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<v Speaker 2>They're making it up. So this is one of these

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<v Speaker 2>things that's just baffling. But I had interviewed Roger on

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<v Speaker 2>my podcast in April before he was arrested. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>this book, Hijacking Bitcoin, and I think that we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this book. This is an important book because, as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, Roger's vision has always been, we need better

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<v Speaker 2>money for the world, to help everyone, to help the

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<v Speaker 2>seventy one percent of people that make less than ten

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a week. It's about having money that's fast, cheap,

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<v Speaker 2>and separated from state, separated from banks. And bitcoin is

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<v Speaker 2>no longer that Bitcoin was hijacked by people tied to

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<v Speaker 2>the deep. It was hijacked by people tied to traditional finance.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Roger, instead of just saying, oh, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to hold onto all this bitcoin and let's see

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<v Speaker 2>how much you know, Fiat dollars I can make, he's

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<v Speaker 2>continued to push the envelope and he's continued to invest

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<v Speaker 2>in and innovate cryptocurrencies that are actually fast and usable

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<v Speaker 2>as peer to peer digital cash. And he wrote this book,

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<v Speaker 2>Hijacking Bitcoin, that exposed what had happened to bitcoin, and

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<v Speaker 2>so just so, it just so happened that three weeks

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<v Speaker 2>after this book was published, he was arrested in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>He was thrown in the same prison that John McAfee

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<v Speaker 2>died in and he's been out on bail now you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's for six months, but he's silenced. He can't even

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<v Speaker 2>speak about this, and so this book was really getting

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<v Speaker 2>traction and so now everybody's buying bitcoin, nobody knows the

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<v Speaker 2>contents of his book, and now they're going after him

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<v Speaker 2>retroactively for this tech situation. And it's worse than that.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually rated his attorney. So this is actually more

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<v Speaker 2>than just about crypto. This is about violating attorney client

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<v Speaker 2>privilege and trying to use that information against him. It

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<v Speaker 2>sets it basically sets a precedent that says you can't

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<v Speaker 2>rely on your lawyers and your counsel for advice. So

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<v Speaker 2>this affects everyone. It's not just a crypto thing or

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<v Speaker 2>a bitcoin thing. This affects everyone who pays taxes and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who uses a lawyer. And so it's a horrible case.

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<v Speaker 2>But the most remarkable thing about it is he's looking

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<v Speaker 2>at up to one hundred and nine years in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Ross, Yeah, that's the thing. I've noticed this in

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<v Speaker 1>so many different cases, and it's not just about the

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<v Speaker 1>crypto stuff. You know, with the Bundi ranch and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. If they really want you for political purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>they just get rid of you. Talk about getting rid

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<v Speaker 1>of an attorney client privilege, just shut down exculpatory evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>as they did with Ross all break and everything. They

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<v Speaker 1>just throw all the rules are off the table and

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<v Speaker 1>they just throw everything at you. We've seen it also

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<v Speaker 1>with a January, the sixth people as well. Many of

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<v Speaker 1>these cases, it is once you get on their bad side.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course he is really touching a nerve because

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<v Speaker 1>he's offering people cryptocurrency, not as an asset, as you

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<v Speaker 1>point out, but as an alternative currency for people to

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, but it's even more than that. So you know. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I've followed Roger for over a decade, and it turns

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<v Speaker 2>out he has supported all kinds of pro liberty causes.

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<v Speaker 2>He supported WikiLeaks, he was the founding donor to the

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<v Speaker 2>Brownstone Institute. He actually supported Ross Albrick. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just in Mexico at a conference and I found

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<v Speaker 2>out that he had donated money to rebuild homes for

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<v Speaker 2>the poor in Mexico. Like, there's a long list of

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<v Speaker 2>things that people don't even know about there's what he

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<v Speaker 2>does publicly and all of the investments that he's made.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's probably one of the most generous and principled

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<v Speaker 2>people promoting pro liberty causes that on the planet. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that is actually specifically why he's being targeted

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<v Speaker 2>because he's very very effective at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow wow, So this is just kicking off this free

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<v Speaker 1>free Roger now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>It was?

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<v Speaker 1>A free rogernow dot org. Uh, we're and and what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening there?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you trying to get some kind of letter writing

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<v Speaker 1>campaign or publicity for this or are their donations?

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<v Speaker 2>So?

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<v Speaker 1>What what? What is free Roger now happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this isn't my This is a group of friends

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<v Speaker 2>of Roger. This isn't my campaign specifically at all. This

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<v Speaker 2>is just a group of people that are are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to support this cause. And what we're what's being done

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<v Speaker 2>is that similar to the you know ross olbrit campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons that Linnelbrick was so successful was

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<v Speaker 2>just her being tenacious and then also putting together a

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<v Speaker 2>petition which over six hundred thousand people signed. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually at the Libertarian Convention when Trump spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>Ross's case and so, uh so these petitions and I

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<v Speaker 2>guess they're calling it an open letter at free rogernow

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<v Speaker 2>dot org is a great way of showing momentum and

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<v Speaker 2>we want we want Trump to see all of the

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<v Speaker 2>people that are supportive of Roger and his cause. And

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, we're urging everyone to sign the open letter

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<v Speaker 2>at free rogernow dot org. And that website also has

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<v Speaker 2>information about the case itself and specific information. I'm obviously

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<v Speaker 2>not a lawyer, so I'm not you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>equipped to talk about the specific legal issues in this case.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any information that's outside of what's in

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<v Speaker 2>the public domain. However, at free rogernow dot org there's

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<v Speaker 2>a video clip interview with Robert Barnes, who's a well

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<v Speaker 2>known constitutional lawyer who has been speaking on this. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be sharing more. I hope he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be speaking more on this, but that if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to understand the timeline and the legal issues specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend that people look at free rogernow dot org

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<v Speaker 2>and take a look at the Robert Barnes interview.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Good, has there been any contact that has anybody

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<v Speaker 1>there with that organization have there been in any contact.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there any hope in terms of anybody around Trump

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<v Speaker 1>that they're aware of this situation or is this something

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<v Speaker 1>that has there been any as anybody responded to any

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<v Speaker 1>of this stuff from within the Trump organization.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe they're aware of it, and I'm actually pretty

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<v Speaker 2>optimistic about it, and I'll tell you why. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as you know we've talked in the past, I've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of had given up on politics and more on an

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<v Speaker 2>exit and build kind of strategy. But you in this

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<v Speaker 2>particular case, there are a lot of similarities between Roger

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<v Speaker 2>and President Trump. And in fact, I wrote an article

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<v Speaker 2>for the Brownstone Institute about this and I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>outline all of this. But Trump has had very similar

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<v Speaker 2>experiences with the DOJ and the FBI that Roger's experiencing.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has experienced multiple audits on an ongoing basis. He's

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<v Speaker 2>had his attorney client privilege with Michael Cohen and others breached.

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<v Speaker 2>So everything that's going on to Roger, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>has happened also to Trump. So I believe there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be empathy there because here's Roger, a successful guy,

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<v Speaker 2>exposing the true truth, and he gets targeted and harassed

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<v Speaker 2>by the DOJ and the FBI. So I actually think

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a pretty pretty good shot here, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure people in his administration or incoming administration are

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<v Speaker 2>aware of this. And I actually think this campaign is

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<v Speaker 2>awareness about how horrible the case is, but also what

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<v Speaker 2>an advocate for freedom Roger has been. So I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's a real shot. And the other thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, usually presidents don't pardon people until the end

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<v Speaker 2>of their term, and we're in a completely different situation.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we already know. I mean, he actually promised

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<v Speaker 2>to commute Ross Olbert's sentence on day one. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's other things going on with Jay Sixers,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a whole there's a whole variety of people

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<v Speaker 2>that he might pardon right out of the gates, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it would be great to have Roger

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<v Speaker 2>that that could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And of course, you know, Matt Gats, who he's

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<v Speaker 1>is very much on board with that. I think though,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that really does increase the chances for these

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I think it changes. And Gates has come

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<v Speaker 2>out for pardoning Snowden. He's also come out very much

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely dead on on these issues. So it would be

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<v Speaker 2>great if he were confirmed. So I do think things

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<v Speaker 2>are all lining up. So you know, and again Trump

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<v Speaker 2>has made a big emphasis. I just saw yesterday that

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<v Speaker 2>he's looking at buying a cryptocurrency exchange. He's made all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of I think he was meeting with the CEO

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<v Speaker 2>of Coinbase, the largest exchange, either yesterday or today. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to the extent that he's really tied himself

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<v Speaker 2>to rypto. You know, you can't you can't be pro

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<v Speaker 2>innovation and pro bitcoin while you know, crucifying bitcoin Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that so I really but the key

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<v Speaker 2>to it is going to be to get the word

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<v Speaker 2>out there. And you know, the tragedy of this is

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<v Speaker 2>Roger's very outspoken. I mean, he's always been outspoken about

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the military industrial complex and all of these issues,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's also very outspoken about Bitcoin, and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that it was hijacked and the fact that he can't speak,

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<v Speaker 2>that he's basically completely gagged, has to be really frustrating.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really important now that we raise awareness as

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<v Speaker 2>quickly as possible because we've got this window between you know,

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<v Speaker 2>here we are, you know, past the middle of November,

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<v Speaker 2>and the inauguration is only a couple of months away.

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<v Speaker 2>So now what we're trying to do is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>again from a grassroots basis, get as many people as

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<v Speaker 2>possible to get the word out about the legal case

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<v Speaker 2>and about Roger as a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he still in Spain or did they extra adding

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<v Speaker 1>him to the US.

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<v Speaker 2>He's still in Spain, and and I don't know any

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<v Speaker 2>specific details about this. All I know is that it

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<v Speaker 2>took John McAfee eight months to go to fight fully

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<v Speaker 2>the extradition process, and McAfee lost after eight months, and

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<v Speaker 2>he actually was mysteriously ended up dead the day after

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<v Speaker 2>he lost his final appeal to the Supreme Court in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>So Roger's been there for over six months. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the timing is or what any of

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<v Speaker 2>that process is. But certainly here's the other part about this,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is one of the things. There are memes

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<v Speaker 2>about this. So Roger pays his taxes, hires professionals. They

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<v Speaker 2>haven't even told him how much they think he owes.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been offered no ability to settle, Like literally, this

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<v Speaker 2>situation is absurd. They haven't even told him what to pay.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't sound like they've given him any opportunity to settle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's very politically motivated. It's very clearly politically motivated.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, I hope all of these people. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>the IRS is abolished, and I hope that they look

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<v Speaker 2>into the people that were to iding to target Roger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Problem it seems like it's a bipartisan move to

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<v Speaker 1>increase the IRS that had a budget of thirteen billion.

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<v Speaker 1>They give him another eighty billion to buy out with

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<v Speaker 1>artificial intelligence and another eighty thousand agents. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're going to keep that superpower to use that

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<v Speaker 1>as a weapon against their enemies. Both sides will probably

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<v Speaker 1>use that. But it is amazing how criminal and the

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<v Speaker 1>political persecution that is just right in your face. And

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen this in so many different ways. The Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>have openly come out against a crypto and of course

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<v Speaker 1>we have the SEC current chair who has tried to

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<v Speaker 1>bring the bitcoin under his purview and other crypto stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been sued by a lot of state attorneys general.

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<v Speaker 1>It's expected that he's of course going to be replaced

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<v Speaker 1>and so forth. So there's a real sea change there,

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<v Speaker 1>and so all of that I think bodes well. I

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<v Speaker 1>think people ought to be able to be free to

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<v Speaker 1>have crypto, and it was a full on, full court

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<v Speaker 1>press to criminalize crypto from the Biden administration, even shutting

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<v Speaker 1>down banks that were solvent because they were on and

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<v Speaker 1>off ramps for crypto. That kind of a cross the

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<v Speaker 1>board intimidation because they were going to force CBDC down

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<v Speaker 1>our throats and they saw crypto as the competitor of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a dark side to this as well, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the crypto stuff that Trump is in that

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<v Speaker 1>I see. I just wanted to get your take on

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen a lot of people there. Of course, we

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<v Speaker 1>have Lutnik who is involved with teather and stable coins

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<v Speaker 1>and other things like this, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>I was just talking about GOP congressman who had gone

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<v Speaker 1>to the COP twenty nine all talking about carbon capture.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, there's a lot of talk about carbon taxes,

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<v Speaker 1>putting that on the blockchain, having people be able to

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<v Speaker 1>pay that and track it with the crypto stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like there is a coordinated move to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>do a back door CBDC. That's what it like to me,

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<v Speaker 1>And Whitney Web has talked about it as well. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about that? Is that something that you've

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely have an opinion. In fact, I'm writing a

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<v Speaker 2>conclusions that I've come to since I've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>this CBDC issue exclusively is we already have a CBDC.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I've realized. You know, everybody's fighting over definitions,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said there and like, okay, well what is

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<v Speaker 2>the agreed to definition of a cbd people, there isn't one.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Bank of International Settlements has one definition people

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<v Speaker 2>to wef have another. States have what different definitions, And

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm like, okay, well, let's let's break this down.

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<v Speaker 2>Then let's try to understand how does our current system

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<v Speaker 2>actually work. Well. The way the current system works is

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<v Speaker 2>the federal government issues in ioe you to the Federal Reserve,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air,

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<v Speaker 2>literally in an oracle database. So when the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>is writing checks and you know, paying to blow people

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<v Speaker 2>up and do you know cal fart studies and all

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<v Speaker 2>the great things the federal government does with money, they're

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<v Speaker 2>writing these checks on an out of an oracle data.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that is by definition, a central bank digital currency.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there are nuances to it. We have commercial banks

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and they have their own Oracle databases and

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft databases, and they make up their own money out

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<v Speaker 2>of thin air backed by the oracle database that the

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<v Speaker 2>Federal Reserve has. But it is it is absolutely digital

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<v Speaker 2>and the origin of the or the origin of this

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<v Speaker 2>money is the Federal Reserve in an oracle database. And

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<v Speaker 2>so when you hear people talk about what they're concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about with CBDCs, what what are they concerned about they're

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<v Speaker 2>concerned about being tracked, they're concerned about the money being programmable,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're concerned about being censored. Well, so then I

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<v Speaker 2>looked into that. Well, there are thirteen different federal government

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<v Speaker 2>programs that are already surveilling our financial transactions. You mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. The IRS is already working with commercial

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<v Speaker 2>banks to analyze our financial transactions. That already happens. The

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<v Speaker 2>NSA is already doing bulk data collection on our financial transactions.

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<v Speaker 2>The Patriot Act. They can come in without a warrant,

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<v Speaker 2>sees a bank account, and then you can't talk to

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<v Speaker 2>anybody about it if they give you what's called a

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<v Speaker 2>national security letter, which says you can't talk about this

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<v Speaker 1>What really, So this new.

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<v Speaker 2>Book that I'm going to do, actually, it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>expand on two things. One we already have a CBDC

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<v Speaker 2>and two we already have a social credit system, which

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<v Speaker 2>is by the way, the tax code. But those examples

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<v Speaker 2>that I gave, those are just three out of thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>different ways the federal government is monitoring our transactions. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then we talk about programmability. Well, if anybody has a

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<v Speaker 2>health savings account or a flexible spending account. These are

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<v Speaker 2>basically debit cards that are tied directly to a bank

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<v Speaker 2>that are programmable. These are cards that you can only

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<v Speaker 2>use to buy certain healthcare related items from certain merchants

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<v Speaker 2>at certain times. This is using the existing financial system.

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<v Speaker 2>The largest provider of health savings accounts is a company

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<v Speaker 2>called optim Bank, which is a bank. And so the

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<v Speaker 2>money that we already have can be programmed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>even when you think about when you use a credit card,

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<v Speaker 2>if you travel, all of the fraud screening, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you go somewhere and they shut the card off temporarily.

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<v Speaker 2>That just shows that the current system can be programmed.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know, you know, as I was jumping into this,

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking about energy credits, you were talking about

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<v Speaker 2>carbon credits, that type of thing. MasterCard has already created

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<v Speaker 2>something working with Doconomy called the Doconomy un Branded MasterCard,

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<v Speaker 2>which tracks your purchases, tracks your carbon output, and literally

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<v Speaker 2>shuts off the card if you use too much carbon.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is a pilot that went on from twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen to twenty twenty two, and it's not that they're

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<v Speaker 2>giving up on it. MasterCard continues to expand the number

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<v Speaker 2>of partnerships continues to expand the types of products and

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<v Speaker 2>services that they're tracking carbon for. So again there's no

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<v Speaker 2>new systems. So when people say, well, CBDC is coming,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need a new technological system to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to program money and tie it to carbon. That actually

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<v Speaker 2>has already happened with the existing system that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the area of censorship, there was something called

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<v Speaker 2>Operation Choke point one point zero where numerous like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>card processing services and banking services. But I just recently

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<v Speaker 2>found out that Baron Trump, Milania Trump, in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>Kanye West, Nick Fuentes, and doctor Joseph mccola, have all

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<v Speaker 2>been debanked, and it's a growing list. So well, I

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<v Speaker 1>With PayPal, I had this program, was going on for

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<v Speaker 1>five months and then all of a sudden, PayPal and

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<v Speaker 1>And I contacted them, spent a lot of time on

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<v Speaker 1>was I taken off? I was never I didn't do

421
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<v Speaker 1>anything illegitimate. I was never given a reason and I

422
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<v Speaker 1>spent two hours on the phone with a guy there

423
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<v Speaker 1>and he said, well, the only thing I can find

424
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<v Speaker 1>is just this letter says shut this account down immediately.

425
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<v Speaker 1>And so that is rolling All these different things are

426
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<v Speaker 1>rolling out. You're right, you know. You go back and

427
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<v Speaker 1>you look at when they were talking about the massive

428
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<v Speaker 1>stimulus checks and all the rest of this stuff, you know,

429
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<v Speaker 1>three and a half trillion dollars and stuff. People asked Powell.

430
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<v Speaker 1>They said, so you're just going to print up a

431
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<v Speaker 1>bunch of money. He goes, well, we don't really print it.

432
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<v Speaker 1>We just create credits on the computer. Just like you

433
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<v Speaker 1>were saying. It's already digital, it's already there. They're already

434
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<v Speaker 1>tracking people, they're already restricting people's access de banking people.

435
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<v Speaker 1>I saw it with Nigel Farage in the UK as well.

436
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<v Speaker 1>And so they don't like you, they just kick you

437
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<v Speaker 1>out of their financial system. And it's always done from

438
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<v Speaker 1>the inside, and it's always done iteratively. And this, I think, Aaron,

439
00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:49.200
<v Speaker 1>is what's really dangerous is that people are waiting for

440
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<v Speaker 1>there to be some kind of a grand declaration, and

441
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<v Speaker 1>of course the Democrats might actually do it in that

442
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<v Speaker 1>ham fisted way, you know, the Democrats might come out

443
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<v Speaker 1>and say, well, now, as of tomorrow, oh gonna everybody's

444
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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to, you know, walk in a new way,

445
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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna have a new kind of money and

446
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.799
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of this stuff. But the Republicans and

447
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>many other people, the more sophisticated ones are the ones

448
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:10.640
<v Speaker 1>who are more dangerous, and they will do it in

449
00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.319
<v Speaker 1>the background iteratively, and nobody will really understand what's happening.

450
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<v Speaker 1>As you point out, it's all collecting, like with a

451
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<v Speaker 1>MasterCard thing, and I've reported on that in the past,

452
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.960
<v Speaker 1>but people don't see that. It's it's invisible.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Well, so this is what I'm gonna put in the

454
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<v Speaker 2>new book, and you know, you're right. Whitney Web has

455
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<v Speaker 2>written a lot about this, and I have as well,

456
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<v Speaker 2>related to stable coins and everything else. What I've put

457
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<v Speaker 2>together is what I call the Tyranny Index CBDC tyranny index.

458
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<v Speaker 2>So we already have a CBDC, we already have digital

459
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<v Speaker 2>programmable money. But what I've put together are the different

460
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<v Speaker 2>elements of kind of If you think about the def

461
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<v Speaker 2>con system that we have, right we go from def

462
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<v Speaker 2>Con five to one. I guess I think one is

463
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<v Speaker 2>the worst. Whatever it happens to be, but we're kind

464
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<v Speaker 2>of already in the middle. So the end game for

465
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<v Speaker 2>this is a single global digital currency that is tied

466
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<v Speaker 2>to energy credits. That is literally the game plan. I've

467
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<v Speaker 2>actually outlined this in my in my articles and that

468
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to further elaborate this. But we know who's

469
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<v Speaker 2>building it, we know what the technology platform is, we

470
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<v Speaker 2>know how it works. I mean, we know that nations

471
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<v Speaker 2>are working on interoperability. So what the United States is

472
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<v Speaker 2>doing with our CBDC isn't just related to a CBDC.

473
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<v Speaker 2>They're going to tokenize all of our assets, our stocks,

474
00:24:18.440 --> 00:24:21.319
<v Speaker 2>our bonds, our homes, our cars, our computers, and put

475
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<v Speaker 2>it all on one platform with the same programmability and trackability,

476
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<v Speaker 2>and that's going to connect with other countries that are

477
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<v Speaker 2>doing the same thing. They're designing these things to interoperate.

478
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<v Speaker 2>So when cloud schwaps is you'll own nothing and be happy,

479
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<v Speaker 2>Well the way we're not going to be happy. But

480
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<v Speaker 2>I can tell you how they're going to get to

481
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<v Speaker 2>the you'll own nothing, and it's through this very specific

482
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<v Speaker 2>process of digitizing all of these assets and tying it

483
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<v Speaker 2>all together. So I put together this tyranny index, and

484
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:49.640
<v Speaker 2>you hit on a very important point. And look again,

485
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<v Speaker 2>I'm hopeful that the best that Trump can pardon, and

486
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<v Speaker 2>actually that is something that he can do, and that's

487
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<v Speaker 2>a useful thing to do. But when it comes to

488
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<v Speaker 2>this issue of cbdc's, I've analyzed the legislation that for instance,

489
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<v Speaker 2>Cynthia Loomis and some of these other politicians have put

490
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<v Speaker 2>out there, and all of it adds to the tyranny index.

491
00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:10.759
<v Speaker 2>The way the Republicans go about doing it is that

492
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<v Speaker 2>they say, well, we don't want CBDCs, but what we're

493
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<v Speaker 2>going to do is we're going to give the largest

494
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<v Speaker 2>banks the exclusive ability to create what are called stable coins. Well,

495
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<v Speaker 2>what is a stable coin. A stable coin is a

496
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>digital programmable form of money. That's exactly what a CBDC is.

497
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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, who owns the Federal Reserve. The

498
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 2>largest banks own the Federal Reserve. So this idea that

499
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<v Speaker 2>somehow you don't have a CBDC or you don't have

500
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:36.559
<v Speaker 2>all of the features of a CBDC just because it

501
00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:40.440
<v Speaker 2>comes from JP Morgan, Chaser Wells Fargo is a false argument.

502
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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm going to do so when I roll

503
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<v Speaker 2>out the new book, I'm going to really spell out

504
00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>this tyranny index, and then every time a piece of

505
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.319
<v Speaker 2>legislation comes out, I don't care which party it is,

506
00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:52.400
<v Speaker 2>we're going to be able to rate it and understand

507
00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 2>it based on how it increases or decreases tyranny on

508
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<v Speaker 2>this CBDC scale. But I think it's critical that people

509
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>understand that we already have a CBDC and stop looking

510
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>at it as something in the future, and look at

511
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<v Speaker 2>it as something that it's already unacceptably bad today, but

512
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>boy can get worse, and it can get worse than

513
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:13.519
<v Speaker 2>people can even imagine at this point in time.

514
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<v Speaker 1>I agree. Yeah, you know, so many people, Oh, we

515
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:19.559
<v Speaker 1>dodged a bullet. We've got Trump now, and so now

516
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be wonderful for a bitcoin and we

517
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.519
<v Speaker 1>stopped this CBDC stuff, not seeing, as you point out,

518
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 1>the aspects of it that are already been put into place,

519
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.400
<v Speaker 1>not seeing who the players are, and even to the

520
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>extent that you've got people like Howard Lutnik, who is

521
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>very connected to tether is also the co chair of

522
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<v Speaker 1>the transition team, the Trump transition. It's put himself out

523
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<v Speaker 1>for Treasury Secretary. I don't know, I mean there's all

524
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<v Speaker 1>this gossip about who's in and who's out and who's

525
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 1>going to make it to this point. I didn't really

526
00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:50.599
<v Speaker 1>get involved in that, but I've seen the articles talking

527
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 1>about that, so you've already got that. And Hadron has

528
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>just been introduced by the Tether people as another way

529
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<v Speaker 1>to tokenize everything, I mean everything. As you point out,

530
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 1>you'll own nothing. Why because they will tokenize everything, not

531
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>just you know, financial assets like stocks and bonds or

532
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>other things, but also land and everything else will be

533
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.519
<v Speaker 1>tokenized and that'll be the way that they will be

534
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 1>able to steal it from everybody. And they're well on

535
00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.559
<v Speaker 1>the way to do this. So that's really, I think, Aaron,

536
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>what our task is. We have to get people to

537
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 1>understand what this new scheme is. Whenever you see this

538
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.759
<v Speaker 1>change of the guard, what it is. It's about a rebranding.

539
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>It's about, you know, getting people confused and thinking, well,

540
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.599
<v Speaker 1>things have changed when they haven't really changed. But they rebrand,

541
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:36.359
<v Speaker 1>they regroup, and they come at us from another direction.

542
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 1>But it's always fundamentally the same thing, isn't it.

543
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>It is always fundamentally the same thing, And so this

544
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:45.839
<v Speaker 2>is why terms matter, I mean, and propaganda is in

545
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>this area of CBDCs and technocracy in general, this is

546
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.640
<v Speaker 2>where they really control the battlefield because they keep on

547
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>shifting definitions. Yes, they've made people think that CBDCs are

548
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.680
<v Speaker 2>something that are coming in the future without actually addressing

549
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there's something that's already here now. And

550
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>as long as they move the goalpost out and keep

551
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:06.680
<v Speaker 2>making it look like it's more tyrannical and adding more

552
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 2>tyranny to what the actual definition is, people will be

553
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 2>lulled into the sense of complacency believing that you know,

554
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.720
<v Speaker 2>they're not already in a situation where they're tracked, and

555
00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, the great taking is another component of this.

556
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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is how they're going to basically take

557
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.559
<v Speaker 2>control of our stocks in four to one case, they've

558
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 2>already done it legally. In fact, I wrote an article

559
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.759
<v Speaker 2>about this. You know, in a way, we've done this

560
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 2>to ourselves because we sign these clickwrap agreements. When you

561
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:36.079
<v Speaker 2>I think Amazon has a twelve thousand word agreement for

562
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>using their service, Wells Fargo has a thirty page online agreement.

563
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 2>The Microsoft terms of Service are seventy pages. So the

564
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.599
<v Speaker 2>average American signs between one hundred and fifty and four

565
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.119
<v Speaker 2>hundred digital clickwrap agreements every year. Does anybody read them? No,

566
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 2>they don't. This has actually been shown. Somebody did a

567
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>study on this and they actually put into the terms

568
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.319
<v Speaker 2>of service that you will literally give your first born

569
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<v Speaker 2>child to the state and you will give up all

570
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<v Speaker 2>of your data to the NSA. And seventy six percent

571
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>of people actually signed the digital agreement. And so if

572
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you were to read all of these agreements, it would

573
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>take an hour a day three hundred and sixty five

574
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:15.400
<v Speaker 2>days a year. So literally it's a life sentence of

575
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 2>reading if you were to read these contracts. But we

576
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>are giving away in these online agreements is everything. We're

577
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>giving away our privacy, we're giving away our data. There

578
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>was a recent case where somebody, a doctor, had eaten

579
00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:31.279
<v Speaker 2>at a restaurant on a Disney property and died of

580
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:36.200
<v Speaker 2>a food allergy, and Disney tried to use the Disney

581
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 2>Plus Online Service agreement to get out of the lawsuit

582
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 2>for the food poisoning. And that just goes to show you,

583
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, particularly when we're dealing with these large contracts

584
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 2>with multinational corporations where we have no idea what all

585
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>the companies are that they own and what everything is.

586
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>So we've done this. We've given away on the stockfront,

587
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>and on four to one case, we've already given away

588
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>our voting rights. When people say Blackrock and Vanguard own

589
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 2>all of these companies, well they don't know. It's actually

590
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>technically not true. It's our money, right, they're just represented

591
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 2>its assets under management. Well, there are assets, or at

592
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 2>least so we think there are assets, but the things

593
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.839
<v Speaker 2>we've already given up our voting rights. Usually, when you

594
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>own a share of stock in a company, that entitles

595
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>you to vote on things. But with four to one case,

596
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.759
<v Speaker 2>that's not the case. We give fidelity in all of

597
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.039
<v Speaker 2>these brokers and third parties the ability to vote all

598
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>of our shares. So we've given up our voting rights.

599
00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.079
<v Speaker 2>And then the next time there's a major financial collapse

600
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and there's a bankruptcy, Let's say your broker goes bankrupt.

601
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:37.599
<v Speaker 2>You might think you would own those shares, but we

602
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 2>don't own those shares. It turns out, because of changes

603
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>in the law, our shares will end up going to

604
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>the four largest banks through the bankruptcy process, because those

605
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 2>four large banks will become the large secured creditors. So

606
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.599
<v Speaker 2>this so legally the infrastructure has already been set up.

607
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:55.079
<v Speaker 2>We've already signed away our rights. What's happening with CBDCs

608
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and the ability to tokenize these assets is that's going

609
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<v Speaker 2>to make it so that when there's a collapse, they

610
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<v Speaker 2>can literally take everything with a click of a button.

611
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>And that is the that is a scary thing. So

612
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<v Speaker 2>my next book is going to go into that in

613
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:09.079
<v Speaker 2>great detail. And I again I'm going to be very

614
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 2>rigorous about showing people this, but I will say again

615
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>to go back to Roger. The reason Roger is so

616
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>important to me and the reason that I'm spending so

617
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:19.319
<v Speaker 2>much time talking about this is not only did I

618
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>learn about bitcoin from him, but I you know, I've

619
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 2>been living on crypto gold and silver since twenty nineteen,

620
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I started using bitcoin cash, which is

621
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 2>a work of bitcoin. Roger didn't start it, but it's

622
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.119
<v Speaker 2>he promoted it once there was this whole block size

623
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Speaker 2>war and everything else. It's basically the original version of

624
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>bitcoin where with you know, low fees, and that's made

625
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to be used as peer to peer digital cash. And

626
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>then recently Roger had introduced me to something called Xeno,

627
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<v Speaker 2>which is a privacy coin because in essence, The way

628
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to defeat CBDCs is we need to actually

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<v Speaker 2>have privacy with our digital currency. And what Roger and

630
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<v Speaker 2>Ian Freeman and Ross Olbrich and others have learned and

631
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<v Speaker 2>what the public is still not aware of, is bitcoin

632
00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:07.880
<v Speaker 2>is a public ledger and these transactions are open, and

633
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<v Speaker 2>in fact, there's a data There are tens of thousands

634
00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>of copies of everybody's financial transactions and databases all over

635
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<v Speaker 2>the world.

636
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I saw that, and I saw that with a

637
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<v Speaker 1>Let me just jump in and give the example of

638
00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 1>a guy who was a billionaire and he had nearly

639
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<v Speaker 1>a million dollars stolen out of his wallet and he

640
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 1>didn't know it, and some guy contacted him and he said, uh,

641
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<v Speaker 1>did you know what was going on with this? And

642
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know that. And I've talked about that

643
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>many times. You know, it's a public first of all,

644
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<v Speaker 1>it's a public leisure number one. Number two. You know

645
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.880
<v Speaker 1>how easy it was for somebody somewhere to steal that

646
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 1>from him. But everybody can see that, and this guy

647
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<v Speaker 1>had connected it to.

648
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Him, yep, And people aren't aware of that. So now

649
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>they're using something called chain analysis to be able to

650
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>track all of your transactions, and so the key moving

651
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 2>forward is privacy. So Roger introduced me to this project

652
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.039
<v Speaker 2>called Zano. I was just in Mexico. I just met

653
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 2>with the develop team and the whole team, and it's

654
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>it's an incredible project. And again Roger has been pushing

655
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 2>the envelope on, you know, we need peer to peer

656
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 2>digital cash. And in fact, one of the ideas that

657
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm working on is you know, I'm working on launching

658
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>what I'm calling is a goldbacked privacy stable coin. So

659
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<v Speaker 2>in other words, we talk about Tether and all of

660
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 2>the issues regarding Tether. I will tell you it is

661
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>my personal opinion that Tether is going to implode, and

662
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>when it implodes, it's going to take Bitcoin down with

663
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<v Speaker 2>it because the price because the price of bitcoin has

664
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<v Speaker 2>been propped up by tether. Heeather's essentially been printed out

665
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 2>of thin air. We don't even know if the tether's

666
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<v Speaker 2>backed by anything.

667
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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I think I just saw they added like

668
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<v Speaker 1>another seven billion dollars or something, which is a significant

669
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<v Speaker 1>percentage of what was outstanding.

670
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.759
<v Speaker 2>It's a significant percentage. So what happens is if Tether,

671
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, runs into issues, the price of bitcoin will

672
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>drop and that will provide the perfect pretext for them

673
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.119
<v Speaker 2>to ratchet up as CBDC. They're going to say, oh,

674
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 2>look we tried these other solutions. Bitcoin's not stable in

675
00:33:57.160 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>terms of price. Tether was you know, problem attic and

676
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, or possibly even fraudulent. And so we're going

677
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 2>to have to give complete control over CBDCs and stable

678
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>coins to the Federal Reserve into the largest banks in

679
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.679
<v Speaker 2>uniteds It's it's it's already being teed up for that.

680
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<v Speaker 2>And when you read the legislation, Cynthia loomis again these

681
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>bitcoin people love her, but she has laser eyes and

682
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:21.719
<v Speaker 2>everything else, and she talks about a Bitcoin strategic preserve.

683
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Read the bill that she drafted with Jillibrand from New York.

684
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>She wants to ban algorithmic stable coins. Explicitly, she's against

685
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:35.280
<v Speaker 2>privacy and she is for increasing KYC Know your Customer

686
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:40.159
<v Speaker 2>anti money laundering laws, adding more layers of compliance for

687
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the individual and compliance for the exchange. This isn't the

688
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>way forward, and so we are facing this now. Let's

689
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.639
<v Speaker 2>now let me put out an optimistic cat. What should

690
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 2>happen is they should put pardon Roger and then the

691
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Trump administration should actually listen to Roger.

692
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<v Speaker 1>I think that the Secretary of the Treasury.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well mak him secretary of the Tree or just or

694
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>just listen to him read this book. Because if Trump's

695
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>true intent is if he wants us, if he wants

696
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 2>the United States to be competitive in this crypto space,

697
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>then he really needs to listen to Roger. So this

698
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>is why I'm so adamant about promoting Roger, because he's

699
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>not only been an advocate for freedom, but he's actually

700
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<v Speaker 2>probably the most influential person in terms of promoting solutions

701
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.199
<v Speaker 2>to the CBDC issue, which is probably why he is

702
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>where he is.

703
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, let me back a couple of bit

704
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>you were talking about Zayo. Is that something that is

705
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 1>under development or is that out there already?

706
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.199
<v Speaker 2>It's out there already. It's actually at least felt a

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<v Speaker 2>z A n okay and it's z A n O

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<v Speaker 2>dot org. This is a fascinating project and it's probably

709
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the most it's underappreciated. Most people just don't know about it.

710
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I think part of it is that it's it's very

711
00:35:54.599 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>technically sophisticated. The main developer who started this has been

712
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.119
<v Speaker 2>working on these things for ten years. He actually developed

713
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 2>some of the original technology behind Minaro, and Minaro is

714
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.199
<v Speaker 2>widely considered to be the most popular privacy coin, and

715
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 2>this guy was there at the very beginning, and so

716
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Xeno itself has been around since twenty nineteen, and so

717
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.519
<v Speaker 2>they've actually been building the technology for this for five years.

718
00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 2>The team has worked together and it already works. So

719
00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 2>basically it is a privacy coin. But the added feature

720
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 2>to this is it allows you to tokenize other assets

721
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.199
<v Speaker 2>with the same level of privacy that you have with Minaro.

722
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<v Speaker 2>So I'll explain why this is important. So money represents

723
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:47.679
<v Speaker 2>five percent of global assets. Real estate, stock spawns, everything else.

724
00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:50.480
<v Speaker 2>All other non monetary assets make up that other ninety

725
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 2>five percent. Excuse me, as I was mentioning when they

726
00:36:54.679 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 2>roll out CBDCs, they're already working on a technology to

727
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 2>centrally okenize all of our other assets so that they

728
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 2>can control everything. They can control our real estate, our

729
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>investment portfolios. So we need an answer not only to CBDCs,

730
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 2>but we also need an answer to this project to

731
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>centrally tokenize all of our other assets. Minaro is what

732
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 2>allows you to do this, and so I'm actually working

733
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 2>on a gold backed privacy stable coin.

734
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<v Speaker 1>They know, Oh, okay, is it Monaro or Zeno that

735
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:25.599
<v Speaker 1>you said allows you to do that.

736
00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Zeno allows you to do that. Zan allows you to

737
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>do the tokenization. So basically Zeno you can use it

738
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 2>as a currency in its own right like Monaro, but

739
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>it also allows you to tokenize these other assets. And

740
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>so some of the use cases for this are I mean, again,

741
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>in the future, you could tokenize stock, spons and everything else,

742
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 2>but the immediate applications are you could create a gold

743
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 2>backed stable coin that is private. So imagine now you're

744
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 2>able to use a cryptocurrency that is actually backed by

745
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>gold that you could physically redeem for gold, but yet

746
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 2>the individual transactions remain private, like minero. That's one application

747
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>of Xeno. Another application that's being rolled out is we

748
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 2>talked about the fact that Bitcoin and ethereum and bitcoin

749
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 2>cash these other cryptocurrencies are transparent. You can actually use

750
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Zeno to make bitcoin private. So there's this I want

751
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>to get into all the details on it, but there's

752
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:20.639
<v Speaker 2>something called confidential layer that's going to allow you to

753
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 2>take your bitcoin, bridge it into Xano and make it private.

754
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>So really, what Zeno is is it is a blockchain

755
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:33.400
<v Speaker 2>that is specifically for enabling you to make other assets private.

756
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>And to me, this is actually of critical importance because

757
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 2>in the grand scheme of things, the big battle that

758
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 2>we have right now is we're fighting against technocracy. We're

759
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.480
<v Speaker 2>fighting against the movement towards a one world government where

760
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>everything is transparent, at least to the people that are

761
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>running that show. So privacy is actually the answer to this.

762
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 2>So all of the solutions that we're going to be

763
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 2>looking to are going to be privacy protecting solutions and technologies,

764
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<v Speaker 2>and I think Xeno is actually at the forefront to this.

765
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>That's great. Yeah, you know, we had Life after Google

766
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>that the book about that, and what he was saying

767
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>was he said, privacy is going to become a real commodity.

768
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<v Speaker 1>And I think, you know, the problem is is that

769
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 1>people don't value that enough. You know, when we look

770
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 1>at privacy, and so if we value that enough, then

771
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 1>we will find constructs to do things like that, like

772
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about was the and other things. They've got

773
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 1>a couple of questions for you, d G eight, says

774
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>David Cann. You please ask yesterday about XRP ripple fast

775
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Little fees. But the only crypto listed as a w

776
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<v Speaker 1>e F business partner. What do you think about Ripple.

777
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:46.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a fan of Ripple, but again I want

778
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to say specifically what I do, and I do workshops

779
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 2>around the country and the increasingly next year around the

780
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 2>world where I teach people how to use crypto for

781
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 2>the day to day transactions, and I'm also onboarding merchants

782
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 2>to be able to accept crypto. And one of the

783
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<v Speaker 2>the criteria for me now is it has to be

784
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.719
<v Speaker 2>private by default, because what we're really triding up against

785
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.679
<v Speaker 2>here are CBDCs, and so we need privacy. So I'm

786
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 2>really looking at Monaro and Zeno as being the preferred options.

787
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Whether what coins do from a speculative price perspective, I

788
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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm not an expert at that. I'm looking

789
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>at the utility of the projects and with the understanding

790
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:27.440
<v Speaker 2>that we need to be able to trade with one

791
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:29.679
<v Speaker 2>another outside of this beast system.

792
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I agree. Brian and Deb McCartney ask if

793
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<v Speaker 1>you know, are we already in bricks the FED attended

794
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<v Speaker 1>the Bricks meeting in Russia. She said no about that, I.

795
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<v Speaker 2>Do not. I have not seen that, but I certainly

796
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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine that we're in bricks.

797
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and of course that other one we've already talked

798
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 1>about about, the Manaro pirate coin and Zeno. They also

799
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<v Speaker 1>put Darrow. I guess is there something called Darrow? Is

800
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<v Speaker 1>that another one?

801
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 2>There's another one? And you know, I think they had

802
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>some technical issues with this that were exposed earlier in

803
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the year. But I'm not by the way, I also

804
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>want to say, I'm not a maximalist. So there's one.

805
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:12.039
<v Speaker 2>There's an interesting thing that happens. I was just in

806
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Mexico at a Mineroitopia conference, and so obviously the focus

807
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:19.519
<v Speaker 2>was primarily Minarrow, but there were other privacy coins there.

808
00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just limited to Monaro, and we had a

809
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:25.719
<v Speaker 2>lot of interesting talks there because, particularly if you're a libertarian,

810
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, the technocrats want one global currency. But

811
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:32.320
<v Speaker 2>yet somehow we've gotten into this mode where there are

812
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 2>people that seem to think on the libertarian side that

813
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 2>we should only have one cryptocurrency, like Bitcoin should be

814
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the only cryptocurrency. People want to be maximalists, and it

815
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 2>seems to me that the marketplace is the best way

816
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 2>to settle this, and that the idea itself that we

817
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 2>would only have one currency doesn't make sense. You should

818
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.360
<v Speaker 2>have ongoing competition. And that's one of the things I

819
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 2>like about the privacy space is that there are a

820
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:57.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of projects and there's a lot of innovation being

821
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>done on an ongoing basis. And so I highly recommend

822
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 2>people take a multi asset approach, but with a very

823
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>specific emphasis on privacy. And we go back to something

824
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>you said earlier, because you hit the nail on the head.

825
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<v Speaker 2>This is a real challenge. So when I do my workshops,

826
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:16.079
<v Speaker 2>most of the people in my workshops are boomers, gen

827
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 2>X or boomers. And here's what I've found. Older people

828
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 2>value privacy, but aren't as technical. They find technology a

829
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.360
<v Speaker 2>little bit more cumbersome to use, and younger people don't

830
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:34.519
<v Speaker 2>value privacy. There was a HATO survey that found that

831
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>almost a third of Gen Z would be okay with

832
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the federal government putting security cameras in people's homes. So

833
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<v Speaker 2>this is the real challenge right now, which is, you know,

834
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<v Speaker 2>the one We have to get younger people to value

835
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 2>privacy and we need to make the tools easy enough

836
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>for older people. That is actually the path forward here.

837
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>And these are the sticking points that we have and

838
00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, I know there's a lot of work being

839
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>done on that. There's a whole privacy Accelerate movement, and

840
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.199
<v Speaker 2>I know that there are a lot of people that

841
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.119
<v Speaker 2>are looking to try to get privacy out in the forefront.

842
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, privacy is a right. We have the Fourth Amendment,

843
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 2>which or at least we had the fourth Amendment. I mean,

844
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 2>this is something that that people, uh, you know, we

845
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 2>used to assume by default. But I think you know,

846
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:17.599
<v Speaker 2>between George W. Bush and everybody else, we've they've been

847
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>pushing this, you know, narrative of uh, you know, if

848
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>you if you have something, if you have nothing to hide,

849
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 2>then you have nothing to worry about, right, And so

850
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>there's this idea that if you want privacy, you must

851
00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>be a criminal, you must be a terrorist, you must

852
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 2>be a money lunder. And the truth of the matter

853
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.400
<v Speaker 2>is that when you look into who's actually doing these

854
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 2>violent activities, it's not people using privacy protecting technologies. It's

855
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:44.800
<v Speaker 2>the people trying to suppress other people from using privacy

856
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 2>protecting technologies. And so we have to do a better

857
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>job of marketing why privacy is important. I don't want

858
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>privacy because I want to buy illegal things. I want

859
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>privacy because I want to be able to buy organic

860
00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:57.119
<v Speaker 2>vegetables in the future, I want to be able to

861
00:43:57.119 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 2>buy red meat, or I want to be able to

862
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.840
<v Speaker 2>buy raw milk. And this is something where what is it,

863
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:06.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, what most people buy is normal products today

864
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.719
<v Speaker 2>are going to be black market items in the future.

865
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 2>And so but they need to be educated on why

866
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 2>why privacy is important to make sure that that doesn't happen.

867
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, very well said yeah, I absolutely agree with that.

868
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you talk about how marketing privacy to people.

869
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 1>I think they marketed Big Brother to people. As a

870
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I've always thought that these programs that began,

871
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Big Brother reality TV show where everybody

872
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:31.800
<v Speaker 1>lives their life in front of a camera. I always

873
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 1>thought that that was the purpose of it. It came

874
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:36.719
<v Speaker 1>out before they started social media, and it was kind

875
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 1>of this gradual acclamation of people, Hey, these people who

876
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 1>are nobody and they don't have any special skills or

877
00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:47.079
<v Speaker 1>abilities or whatever, but they become important celebrities by letting

878
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.039
<v Speaker 1>everybody look at their life. And they've got everybody chasing

879
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.800
<v Speaker 1>likes and followers and all this other kind of stuff

880
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.079
<v Speaker 1>now on social media, and so that's really kind of

881
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>for the last thirty or so years, that's been what

882
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 1>they have projected it out there. The people growing up

883
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.320
<v Speaker 1>see that, and to them that is, you know, a

884
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:06.639
<v Speaker 1>way to be liked, a way to get famous, a

885
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.199
<v Speaker 1>way to get money, and all the rest of stuff.

886
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they have really trashed privacy and we've got

887
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:15.199
<v Speaker 1>to somehow get that generation, the younger generation is to

888
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>understand that. I've got another question for you here we

889
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>go on. Fans says, does your guest know of a

890
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>speaker who can address professional financial organizations such as the

891
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:30.320
<v Speaker 1>CFA Society and the Financial Planning Association. It can be

892
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.280
<v Speaker 1>in person or virtual. Do you do that type of thing?

893
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I'll address anybody. I guess the question

894
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 2>is what is the what is the topic? But I'll

895
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>talk to anybody about these issues. And I do know,

896
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.639
<v Speaker 2>and I have spoken in front of groups before. The

897
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 2>problem is for a lot of people that are registered

898
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.280
<v Speaker 2>financial advisors, they're very constrained by what they can do.

899
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I could go on a whole conversation about this.

900
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I actually spend a lot of time looking at BINRA,

901
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:01.440
<v Speaker 2>which is basically the governing body for financial advisors, and

902
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I was considering going through their program because I wanted

903
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:07.599
<v Speaker 2>to a little bit of a side story, but I

904
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.119
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be able to figure out how to use

905
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.039
<v Speaker 2>tokens digital tokens as a way to kind of replace stock,

906
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:15.280
<v Speaker 2>so basically to be able to create a private stock

907
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.320
<v Speaker 2>market using tokenized stock instead of going through the formal process.

908
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.079
<v Speaker 2>And so once I learned how the existing system works

909
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 2>through Finray, realized that's not possible. Finra is basically a

910
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 2>trade association. It's a cartel of organizations in the financial

911
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.039
<v Speaker 2>services industry, but they have the backing of the SEC

912
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.320
<v Speaker 2>so they basically can come up with their own rules,

913
00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 2>but then it's enforced by the state. And so then

914
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.519
<v Speaker 2>when you look at what's going on here, it turns

915
00:46:40.519 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 2>out they don't have much of an incentive for true innovation,

916
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.119
<v Speaker 2>specifically in the financial services sector itself. But I'm happy

917
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to talk to people about about all of these things.

918
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I would love to talk to financial advisors about Fiat currency,

919
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.760
<v Speaker 2>the history of Fiat currency, the current state of the

920
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>United States dollar. The Brownstone Intcat has actually done some

921
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.280
<v Speaker 2>research recently that kind of shows what true inflation is

922
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.880
<v Speaker 2>versus what has been reported officially by the government. The

923
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>dollar has lost somewhere between twenty five and forty percent

924
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:15.079
<v Speaker 2>of its purchasing power since twenty twenty. If you actually

925
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>look at the real underlying numbers, we've actually we are

926
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 2>in a recession. We've been in a recession since twenty

927
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>twenty two. So I'd love to talk to you know,

928
00:47:23.719 --> 00:47:27.440
<v Speaker 2>groups about this, but it's really outside of their training,

929
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's outside of what their mandate is because

930
00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:37.199
<v Speaker 2>when they provide financial advice, it's within a within their certification,

931
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 2>and what they're certified to teach people is in my opinion,

932
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.079
<v Speaker 2>against what is going on and against the economic reality

933
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 2>of what we're facing right now.

934
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When you look at any government statistics,

935
00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>whether you look about inflation and unemployment numbers, consumer confidence,

936
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.440
<v Speaker 1>or they rig the process and then if that's not enough,

937
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>they just outright lie, you know, like we s with

938
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:02.239
<v Speaker 1>the unemployment it's like, hey, yeah, we'll just we got

939
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.679
<v Speaker 1>to revise what we told you three months ago. We

940
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>told you that there were eight hundred thousand more jobs

941
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 1>than there really were, but that's not there anymore. They

942
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:15.199
<v Speaker 1>constantly do that. They're constantly revising the previous quarter's numbers

943
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to create a positive trend for them. Everything they do

944
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>is alia. It's absolutely amazing. Guard Goldsmith says, it's sure

945
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:24.280
<v Speaker 1>great to know good people like David and Aaron are

946
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>out there doing this talking about this matter. I hope

947
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 1>more folks will speak out. Of course, Guard has a

948
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 1>liberty conspiracy. Everybody can catch that weeknights on Rock Finn

949
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.960
<v Speaker 1>as well as on X on Twitter. But tell us

950
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 1>where people can get your information. You've got substate, you

951
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>got a podcast, you got subsach, you got some books,

952
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>So tell us a little bit about do some self

953
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:46.639
<v Speaker 1>promotion here.

954
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Sure I'll do that, but before I do that, I

955
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 2>want to say, you know, so right now when I'm focused,

956
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm writing this book and really going into detail not

957
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.039
<v Speaker 2>only on CBDCs, but we already have a social credit system.

958
00:48:57.159 --> 00:48:59.960
<v Speaker 2>It's the tax code, right even if you if you

959
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.360
<v Speaker 2>look at how four one k's work, if they use

960
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the penalties and incentives of the tax go to drive

961
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.679
<v Speaker 2>our behavior, we just don't have a user friendly app

962
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that tells us how it's going. So I'm actually going

963
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to go into that detail in the book. But I

964
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 2>do want to say, since Gardner brought this up and

965
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.159
<v Speaker 2>I haven't mentioned it yet, there's another campaign in addition

966
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 2>to Free Roger now dot org. There is a parallel

967
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>campaign going to free Ian Freeman, and that is free

968
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Ian now dot org. And Ian is in federal prison

969
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:33.840
<v Speaker 2>for eight years basically for selling bitcoin without the right paperwork.

970
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Although it's much worse than that. The case against him

971
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>was completely made up. Prosecutorial misconduct is probably an understatement.

972
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.760
<v Speaker 2>They brought in, you know, undercover agents, they did a

973
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>whole variety of different things. There's but if you go

974
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 2>to free iannow dot org you can learn all about

975
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:54.599
<v Speaker 2>that case. And so there's an initiative to bring awareness

976
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>to this as well. I actually think Ian has a

977
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.039
<v Speaker 2>good shot at winning on appeal. So he's still under

978
00:49:59.079 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 2>an appeal process and so you know, hopefully he'll have

979
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.480
<v Speaker 2>some success with that. But I will say Roger learned

980
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 2>about bitcoin from Ian. So Ian has been involved with

981
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Free Talk Live, which is a syndicated radio show that

982
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 2>he and Mark Edge had been working on for a

983
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 2>couple of decades.

984
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:18.440
<v Speaker 1>And Garden's working with that now Guard is taking over

985
00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the programole he's in car storted doing some broadcasts for that. Yeah,

986
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:22.960
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about.

987
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:24.360
<v Speaker 2>It, Yeah, and I will tell you I just saw

988
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 2>some I think ten percent of the people that are

989
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 2>part of the Free State Project here in New Hampshire

990
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.159
<v Speaker 2>learned about it from free Talk Live. So what's happening

991
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 2>to Ian is also a travesty. But I mean, as

992
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:36.519
<v Speaker 2>far as my work is concerned, I'm working on this book,

993
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 2>but I am going to be spending a lot of

994
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:42.559
<v Speaker 2>time promoting Roger Ian and even working on an event,

995
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 2>hopefully before the inauguration that may include a songe and

996
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Ross Olbrich and Snowden as well, to try to really

997
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.800
<v Speaker 2>build some energy and momentum around this pardon concept. But

998
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm at Daylightfreedom dot org and there you can learn

999
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 2>about everything that I'm up to, the workshops that we

1000
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:03.639
<v Speaker 2>do around the country teaching people about CBDCs and then

1001
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>how to actually practically use cryptogold and silver for day

1002
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 2>to day transactions. You can find me on x at

1003
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.880
<v Speaker 2>Aaron R. Day and I do have a podcast, the

1004
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Er and Day Show, which we cover very interesting topics.

1005
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, a lot of it is related to CBDCs,

1006
00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of it is also related more broadly

1007
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:26.519
<v Speaker 2>to the concept of exiting and building some non political solutions.

1008
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.480
<v Speaker 2>So I had a guest on Sterlin Leuhan and we

1009
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:34.119
<v Speaker 2>talked about network states, which is a new and interesting concept.

1010
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>So the idea is, you know, the way to stop

1011
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 2>centralization is to create more countries. If you actually look

1012
00:51:40.280 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 2>at how most governments have evolved, they've either been you know,

1013
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>somebody just came in by force and then dictated the

1014
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 2>way society was going to run. The US was a

1015
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.199
<v Speaker 2>little bit different, but there hasn't really been a lot

1016
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 2>of experimentation on governance. And so there's this new model

1017
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 2>where people are basically getting together based on a common interest,

1018
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:00.880
<v Speaker 2>people that have a kind of a shared ideology, and

1019
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.880
<v Speaker 2>then they're going out and trying to buy sovereignty. And

1020
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:06.800
<v Speaker 2>so this is this is kind of a new movement.

1021
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:08.440
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's not a big part.

1022
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:11.440
<v Speaker 1>What does buying sovereignty look like, I mean buying real

1023
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:14.559
<v Speaker 1>estate in a particular area or what you know, it's

1024
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:16.000
<v Speaker 1>it's there are.

1025
00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 2>A lot of different models and this is this is

1026
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.559
<v Speaker 2>part of why it's it's early, but some of it

1027
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:22.039
<v Speaker 2>involves trying to actually buy buy your own, you know,

1028
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.360
<v Speaker 2>political sovereignty from a nation, to actually get a carve

1029
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 2>out from a country so that you can actually have

1030
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.760
<v Speaker 2>your own political system. In political structure.

1031
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like Bill Gates just did in that African

1032
00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>nation where he has diplomatic community and he doesn't have

1033
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:39.239
<v Speaker 1>to pay taxes, and he's got a place to run

1034
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to if the legal hassles start mounting up as they have.

1035
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 1>And in one jurisdiction they said he's got to stand trial.

1036
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I think is the Netherlands or something. But he went

1037
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 1>to what was it, Kenya? I think he went to

1038
00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Kenya and and I guess paid off some politicians. So

1039
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:55.079
<v Speaker 1>you can have diplomatic community and tax for existence.

1040
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think that's quite the model we're looking

1041
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:58.960
<v Speaker 2>for here. I think we're looking for more, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>creating a community of people that have a shared ideology

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<v Speaker 2>that are experimenting with governance. But of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Gates takes takes any concept and storts it to

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<v Speaker 2>the detriment of humanity.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got enough money that he can distort anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely true. I got another question here for you. DG

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<v Speaker 1>eight says, can you ask yesterday about Jeff Berwick, a

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<v Speaker 1>huge supporter of privacy coins. It would be a good

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<v Speaker 1>guest on the David Night Show. Tell us a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about do you know anything about Jeff. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I've known Jeff for a while and you know, he's

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<v Speaker 2>a he's a great advocate for privacy coins. I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>going to be speaking at his event and Archapoco in February,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just at this event that I was

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<v Speaker 2>at in Mexico City. So yeah, he would be a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting guest to have on. And he's been very

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<v Speaker 2>early into crypto and he's an interesting guy in general

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<v Speaker 2>in a variety of different ways. I know he's gone

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<v Speaker 2>through a spiritual transformation as well, so he probably would

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<v Speaker 2>be an interesting person to have on.

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<v Speaker 1>What you mean by a spiritual transformation? Tell us at

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<v Speaker 1>a bit about.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Jesus. I don't know a lot of the details

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but he just, you know, went through some

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<v Speaker 2>things in his personal life and kind of you really

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<v Speaker 2>changed his attitudes and behaviors, and you'd have to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to him about all that. I don't want to represent

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<v Speaker 2>somebody's spiritual journey, but that I'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you became a follower a Bitcoin Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>or something. So you met him at the Zayo conference.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was that you were just at.

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<v Speaker 2>Her well that was man Aratopia even know I've actually

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<v Speaker 2>known I've met Jeff probably ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, good, Well, it's great talking to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for everything that you're doing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is really at the core of freedom because it's always

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<v Speaker 1>money that makes the change that control us, isn't it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know? And that's one of the things that concerns

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<v Speaker 1>me about the blockchain. It almost sounds like we're being

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<v Speaker 1>chained to a block and it's going to be it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be something like that if we don't figure

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<v Speaker 1>out some methods for privacy and freedom. And so really

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<v Speaker 1>do appreciate the work and the research that you do.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always great to have you on. You're always welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to come on anytime. And folks, he's talking now about

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<v Speaker 1>free rogernow dot org, also free iannow dot org and

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<v Speaker 1>so if you would like to speak out on behalf

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<v Speaker 1>of those people, try to bring awareness to them. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing will happen as we expect to see

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<v Speaker 1>with Ross Albrick and that was a free Ross And

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<v Speaker 1>I know that his mother has worked on this, Lynn

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<v Speaker 1>has worked on it for such a long time. Is

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<v Speaker 1>she is she? Okay? Now. Is she still involved with that?

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<v Speaker 1>What is do you know anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, No. I met her probably ten

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<v Speaker 2>years ago at a Portfast event, and I've actually talked

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<v Speaker 2>to her recently. She's an amazing person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, if i'd like to.

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<v Speaker 1>Get her on again, I've talked to her multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, but it's been a few years now since

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<v Speaker 1>I talked to her. I'd love to talk to her again. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the single example that shows that what one

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<v Speaker 2>person can do if you actually, if you care and

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<v Speaker 2>you put in the work like it is just remarkable

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<v Speaker 2>to see what she's been able to do. Even when

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<v Speaker 2>I was at Maneritopia. I mean I was actually wearing

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm not wearing it right now is wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>free Raws shirt. The whole community down at this event

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<v Speaker 2>is supportive of Ross and then it's all because of

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, how persistent she's been on it. So

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<v Speaker 2>she's great. I think she's a tremendous person, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think at this point she's probably just probably doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to rock the boat too much because it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like the situation is locked in. Trumps tweeted on this

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<v Speaker 2>three or four times and it looks like it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. So I'm really really happy for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'll do that. I mean, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a way for him to deliver on some

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<v Speaker 1>campaign promises. It be a win and be easy for him.

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<v Speaker 1>And we just hope that we can get some publicity

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<v Speaker 1>for the other people, for Roger Verin, for Ian, free

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<v Speaker 1>Ian now dot org and free Roger now dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Try to get some of these other people and they're

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<v Speaker 1>so good to talk to you. Thank you Erin, appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you. That's it for today's broadcast, folks, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for joining us. Have a good day.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I just saw thank you, Ambergole. I appreciate the tip.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. I just saw that. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I have a good day for body.

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