WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:04.480 Welcome to Wine Soundtrack USA. Listen to the passion with 2 00:00:04.519 --> 00:00:08.000 which producers narrate their winery and their world team thirty 3 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:12.039 answers discover their stories, personalities, and passions. 4 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:15.279 Hello, friends and listeners of Wine Soundcheck. This is Alison 5 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:18.600 Levine and today I'm in the Yakima Valley at Tritas 6 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:24.440 with Andrew, Gabriel and Matthew, the three founders, winemakers owners 7 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:28.879 of this dedicated sparkling winehouse here in Yakima Valley. I'm 8 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:30.519 going to welcome you all, but Andrew, I'm going to 9 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:32.200 kind of put this to you and tell us a 10 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:33.560 little bit about Tritas. 11 00:00:34.200 --> 00:00:34.479 Yeah. 12 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:38.679 Absolutely so. Myself, Gabriel, and Matthew all started teared Us 13 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:41.840 in about twenty twenty. The three of us are graduates 14 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:45.640 of Washington State University's fit A Culture Andology program, and 15 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:49.840 upon graduating was a global pandemic so kind of curtailed 16 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:52.119 our plans a little bit, and we were sitting down 17 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:53.920 trying to kind of figure out what to do with 18 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.600 our future, and we ended up deciding that the best 19 00:00:57.240 --> 00:00:59.719 kind of route forward would be to start our own label. 20 00:01:00.159 --> 00:01:00.960 And while going. 21 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:03.399 That's what everyone does right out of college. 22 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:06.439 Exactly and so we were trying to figure out what 23 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:09.359 to do, and ultimately we decided to do traditional method 24 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:11.959 sparkling wine, not only because we were really drawn to 25 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:16.640 the technical and complicated fashion of the production method, but 26 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.640 also because we love to drink sparkling wine. I mean, 27 00:01:19.760 --> 00:01:21.680 champagne was one of our favorite things. In a big 28 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.719 biden in our relationship is when we went to school. 29 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:28.120 Maybe not the most stimulating traditional college town, but so 30 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:29.640 we would work a lot, but we would always be 31 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.439 sure to celebrate finishing exams and breaks with fried chicken 32 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.799 and champagne. So that was kind of a thing that 33 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.319 we liked to do. So it was kind of a 34 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:40.200 combination of those factors that drew us to starting Tierdas 35 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.959 And the name Tieredus it comes from tiarage, riddle, and disgorge. 36 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.040 So the first three letters of the three steps of 37 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.159 the traditional method process just kind of showcasing our devotion 38 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.599 to traditional method sparkling in Washington State. 39 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:53.280 I love that. 40 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.079 So Tiratis, in case you just couldn't understand what was 41 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.599 being said, just think of the three ways to make 42 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:03.000 sparkling wine. So you're based here in Prosser, which is 43 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:07.920 in the Yakima Valley ava. You're kind of young in 44 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.280 this business and started out, so I'm making an assumption 45 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:13.280 you don't own any vineyards at this time. 46 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:17.719 That is entirely correct. There's one joke that I'll always make, 47 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:19.800 and it takes two things to start a winery, and 48 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:21.919 that's time and money. But we're broken impatient, so we 49 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:25.199 kind of have to reverse engineer a winery. And so 50 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:27.520 we end up purchasing our grapes from a couple of 51 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.400 growers that we partner with, and we actually produce our 52 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.319 lines under someone else's roof as well. 53 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:35.879 And in terms of the growers, it's all in the 54 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.360 Yakima Valley, or do you go outside of the Yakima 55 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:39.520 Valley into other avas. 56 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.159 We go outside of the Yakima Valley into other avas 57 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:42.560 as well. 58 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.639 And what grapes are you working with? Because I know 59 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:48.240 you're doing traditional method, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're 60 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.000 working with traditional grapes. 61 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:52.639 That is entirely correct, and that's a big thing that 62 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:55.719 teared us. We stand by here. Our goal is not 63 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.039 to make champagne style lines in Washington, but to produce 64 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:02.240 an original and off tick style of sparkling for Washington 65 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:04.800 and kind of take advantage of that blank slate and 66 00:03:04.960 --> 00:03:08.360 create identity and topicity for what Washington sparkling wine means. 67 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:10.759 So we do utilize some chardonnay, which would be the 68 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:14.479 only traditional champagne variety in our program, but our other 69 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:19.560 main grapes would be Pino Gree, Cabernet, savignon, serab Merleau. 70 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:21.879 I have the guys here, so. 71 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:25.719 Alberino, Alberino. 72 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.479 Yeah, We've worked with a couple other grapes such as 73 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:32.520 Pino blanc and orange Muscat and mulback. Just some really 74 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:34.680 fun things to play around with, but I would say 75 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:38.719 our main grapes is absolutely Pino Gree, Cabernet Savigno, and 76 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:40.680 Serab Merlou than Sharon May. 77 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:43.680 And what is your total case production currently? 78 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:45.319 We're about ten thousand cases? 79 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.080 Okay, so you started this in twenty. 80 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:52.639 Twenty, twenty twenty, and our first wines were released in 81 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.639 the winter or late in twenty twenty one. 82 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:58.919 Oh, that's pretty good because you know, traditional sparkling wine 83 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.240 usually does requires so that's pretty impressive. And again, your 84 00:04:03.280 --> 00:04:04.599 total case production is how many? 85 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:06.080 About ten thousand cases? 86 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:06.639 Love? 87 00:04:06.639 --> 00:04:09.360 You have done pretty well right out the gate, pretty 88 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.560 big and where are your wines available, Are they available 89 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.520 mostly direct to consumer or do you have distribution outside 90 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:17.600 of Washington in Washington only. 91 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.399 We're a very evenly split company, so we both service 92 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.120 direct to consumer with some of our tiers of wine. 93 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:26.439 We also have other tiers of wine that go directly 94 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.759 to restaurants or wholesalers, retailers, things like that all across 95 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.000 the country. We also export to every Canadian province, so 96 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.319 we're very proud of that, and you can find our 97 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.920 wines pretty readily, especially in the Pacific Northwest. Wow. 98 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:43.279 So Gabriel, because you jumped in there, I'm going to 99 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:47.439 ask you this question first, what is your first memory 100 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:49.120 relevant to wine? 101 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.480 Wow? I would say my heritage and wine is it 102 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.160 started off at a fairly young age, not too young, 103 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:03.639 of course, but my family were not wine drinkers. And 104 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.040 where I got entrance into wine whist it's that I 105 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.120 was living in Europe at the time. I really was 106 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.720 looking forward to getting a job at thirteen out of 107 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.720 high school, and a wine shop owner hired me to help. 108 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:17.560 At thirteen, Well, this. 109 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.639 Is Europe, so things are a little bit more lassating 110 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.240 and I remember that they were doing a grand tasting 111 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.199 of southern Italian wines and it was a big producer 112 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.639 in Tosca, and it was a Nero dappollo. That was 113 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:31.600 the first wine that I ever got to try at thirteen. 114 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.759 Very interesting. I didn't really know what to expect, but 115 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.399 I do remember cleaning up many many glasses of such wine, 116 00:05:38.439 --> 00:05:41.600 which kind of bittered the pleasure of the. 117 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:43.000 Experience of that. 118 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.480 And Matthew, what about you, what's your first memory relevant 119 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:47.120 to wine? 120 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:52.079 I can name anything so specific, but growing up my 121 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:57.480 family is wine drinkers, not really like Wino's anyway, but 122 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:01.560 there's very often wine at dinner and parties and everything, 123 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:03.879 and so it was kind of something I was always around, 124 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:04.800 always around. 125 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.319 Yeah, So it wasn't something that came to you later, 126 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:11.079 you know, like what's this right? So as a child 127 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:15.199 thirteen years old, what about you? Andrew? What about you? 128 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:19.560 I would kind of agree more with Matthew here where 129 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:22.000 there's no like stark moment that I remember that's like, 130 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:25.920 this is wine, you know, because I just grew up 131 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.360 around it. My parents not not connoisseurs in any way, 132 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.839 but they just like to have a glass of wine 133 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:34.680 with dinner. So kind of being exposed to that is 134 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:36.639 like kind of a cultural it always belongs on the 135 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:40.040 table kind of situation, but also is fortunate enough to 136 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:43.120 travel when I was younger, and I do remember the 137 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:45.319 first time I ever tried wine was in Italy, a 138 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:49.920 little Vinsanto with all old were you, probably ten years old, 139 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.240 But my parents didn't want me to do it, and 140 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:56.639 I didn't even want to try it. But we were 141 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:01.000 wine tasting at this villa and the person them refuse 142 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:03.920 to let me be there without a glass of ensanto. 143 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:06.360 So well, there you go. 144 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.199 And I agree it's a very cultural thing, and if 145 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.000 it's something that's just on the table, it's a more 146 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.639 natural thing. All three of you had it more natural 147 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.680 because in Europe, to your point, Andrew, that's a natural 148 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.279 thing for people to be drinking it tasting at thirteen. 149 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:26.439 So fast forward, you're now studying, you've studied wine, you've 150 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:30.639 made wine. You still have a long journey in your career. 151 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:34.399 But to date, what what is that one have you 152 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:36.600 had that one wine that was an aha moment wine 153 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:38.639 for you? And if so, what was the wine and 154 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.319 what was the occasion? Hmmm, as you're thinking, who do 155 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:42.639 I go to? 156 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:47.439 Okay, Gabriel, I think that that that The appropriate answer 157 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:50.279 to this question depends on the audience for which it's going. 158 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:50.600 To be said. 159 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.439 No, no, no, but an aha moment wine It can 160 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.560 be because the first time you tasted a particular variety 161 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:00.600 or style where you said I did no here. Maybe 162 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.160 it set you on a path of discovery or making 163 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:06.120 a certain thing. Maybe it was a pairing with food 164 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.240 that just opened your eyes, just made you discover something 165 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.120 that made you say aha about I. 166 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.759 Think that I'd have an answer here. Probably my first 167 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:17.800 wine that kind of blew my mind and was like, 168 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:23.199 this is top notch wine is. During college, Gabriel hosted 169 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.240 a Barolo party and we popped a lot of bottles 170 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.040 of really nice Barolo Kendi dating back from like the 171 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.919 nineties all the way up to like twenty sixteen or something. 172 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.120 The wine that blew my mind was not a Barolo, though. 173 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:42.600 We popped one bottle of champagne, which was I believe 174 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:47.720 a twenty eleven yeah, twenty eleven belly of Pawk champagne, 175 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:51.799 and it was just like, this is what premium bubbles is. 176 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:55.440 And that definitely was a big aha moment for me. 177 00:08:55.639 --> 00:08:56.320 Wow, where did you. 178 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.240 Guys go to college that you're doing Barolo parties. 179 00:08:59.360 --> 00:08:59.840 You pay. 180 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:04.840 So Gibri, what about you? What is that AHA moment wine? 181 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.279 Is there a particular producer or wine that experience it 182 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:08.799 stands out? 183 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:15.080 Yes, I mean when I had I had the unfortunate 184 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:19.360 disaster of being educated in wine on the marketing side, 185 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:22.039 as I worked for a fine wine retailer for nearly 186 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.120 ten years, and so I very much ate up all 187 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.399 of the gossip around marketing. And one of the wines 188 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:31.440 that was most interesting to me is that we got 189 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:34.879 to do a flight of Opus one in Europe, and 190 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.399 I always thought it was really fascinating because it marked 191 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.320 like the true economic investment in the American wine industry. 192 00:09:41.320 --> 00:09:44.639 That kind of showcased the rest of the world taking 193 00:09:44.679 --> 00:09:47.000 American wine very seriously. So I always thought that was 194 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.080 a very much AHA wine for me. Plus it does taste, 195 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.360 you know, fantastic, and it was such an experience to see. 196 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.919 That, yeah, because I mean, yeah, that's the hope is 197 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:00.320 that when you taste the wine, that it just when 198 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.639 you happen on home moment, you know, So, Bapy, have 199 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.759 you thought about your moment? And all this time, I 200 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:07.519 think I may have two wines. 201 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:11.879 The first I was maybe like sixteen thinking about going 202 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:15.840 to school for wine. My parents were drinking Argentinian malbeck 203 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:18.559 by some no name producer, and it was the first 204 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.720 time I tried wine and kind of like thought about 205 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:25.320 it and understood why people enjoyed it and why there's 206 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:27.720 different countries that grow up in different grapes and that 207 00:10:27.759 --> 00:10:30.679 they're all different and unique, and remember tasting it and 208 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.960 be like, oh, I can taste blah blah blah. 209 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:33.960 It does feel like that. 210 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:36.679 So that one, then the. 211 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:38.559 Other and what was that was a mailback? 212 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.559 Yeah, the other is. At some point while we were 213 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:47.440 in college, as prior mentioned, I tried real champagne for 214 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:49.360 the first time and it was. 215 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.440 Whatever, just the cheapest one at the grocery store was 216 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:54.679 And admittedly I thought it was pretty terrible, but it 217 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:57.159 was so unique compared to every other wine I've ever 218 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.799 had prior, especially other sparkling wines, that I. 219 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:03.759 Was so intrigued and it blew me away. There was, 220 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:07.879 even at a very cheap entry level, so unique and 221 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:10.159 so individual amongst other wines. 222 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:15.320 I love that well. I mean, I guess the question 223 00:11:15.360 --> 00:11:18.960 I would have today is you guys, are I'd say, 224 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.360 because you're in your mid twenties you're just starting out 225 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:23.320 your wine collections, but it sounds like you started them 226 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:26.120 when you were like thirteen years old. So if we 227 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.320 come to you've got a decade on your wine collection here. 228 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:31.360 But if we came to your homes, your individual homes. 229 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:34.159 What kind of wines are do you collect or do 230 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:41.200 you purchase? Is it all sparkling wines? Is it? Come on, Gabriel, 231 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.440 you seem to have the largest collection. Andrew, what kind 232 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:48.399 of wines do you have at home? What do you 233 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.720 collect or drink on a regular basis? 234 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.120 So I would say there's one style of wines that 235 00:11:54.159 --> 00:11:57.879 I actually collect, and that would be like Alsatian dessert wines, 236 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.440 so Pino green and reaslings from all sauce that are 237 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:06.679 more in like the vendage tardive kind of status. So 238 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:10.960 that would kind of be my go to collection. But 239 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.320 I also there are a couple of Washington producers that 240 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:16.919 I really love to collect, grammar Cy Sellers and Walla 241 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.399 Walla Sinkline and the Columbia Gorge. 242 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.200 So some still wines, any particular varieties that you're drawn 243 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.879 to or you like it, you like to try everything. 244 00:12:26.120 --> 00:12:28.759 I like to try everything, but typically the ones from 245 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.159 those producers that I end up collecting are going to 246 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:34.480 be like the cabernetum or low from Grammarcy as well 247 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:40.480 as the gsms from Syncline and Gabriel. 248 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.080 I'm gonna start out my collection with the story, Okay, 249 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.960 I used to buy wine for some private individuals, and 250 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:49.879 they always told me that if they had ever gone 251 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.120 to someone's house and there wasn't at least twelve models 252 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:56.799 of every region, you shouldn't go back to that house 253 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:58.799 as a real wine a kind of source. So I 254 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:00.879 kind of have that same where I have a very 255 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:05.720 very wide portfolio, and I would say the bell curve 256 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:10.120 of off my wine collection not unfortunately, but is predominated 257 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.759 by Bordeaux style lines because I like to think that 258 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.559 I'm not collecting for myself. I'm collecting for others and 259 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.799 I can I can afford the patients of having fine 260 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:19.360 age Bordeaux wines from my cellar. 261 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:21.039 Besides that, I also. 262 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.799 Like, I really enjoy all types of wine, so I 263 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.799 have Champagne and Barola I have a pension for I 264 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.080 was like Brunello as well, because it's the first doc 265 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:32.200 gene in Italy's I was I'm not fascinating, so I 266 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:37.200 have quite the Yes, that's so much, so much of everything. 267 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:41.200 And I'm a big large format collector as well, so 268 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:43.480 I wow, yeah. 269 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.200 Wow, you are not. 270 00:13:44.600 --> 00:13:47.799 You're like an anomaly for your generation. My god, knowing 271 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.960 Barollo and Brunello and collecting that, starting a collection of 272 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:56.440 twelve wives free region, It's like, boy, you must have 273 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:02.559 a big house, the very type basement. What about you, Matt? 274 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:03.879 Can you match that one? 275 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:10.879 Certainly you can't match it. A lot of bubbles, naturally, 276 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.600 But I drink a lot of Southern Italian stuff, lots 277 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.240 of Sicilian wines. I'm kind of to their dismay. I 278 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:21.240 try to drink a lot of weird wines that either 279 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.679 don't fit or don't belong or like do old. I 280 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.519 just bought a couple of really old chacolinas, which is weird. 281 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.679 Things like that, Strange wines, Vietals that grow in places 282 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:34.639 they shouldn't grow, are very atypical wines. 283 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.159 Yeah, I think I think that's nice. 284 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.039 You guys really do kind of balance each other out, 285 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:44.200 just in hearing that that you can expose each other 286 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.440 to unique wines, that you're not going to get stuck 287 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:48.519 in a box of one thing or another because you 288 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:51.360 all have different interests, which I think is really interesting. 289 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:53.879 I do think that it does translate into our brand 290 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:56.039 and our brand story and what we want to accomplish 291 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:00.759 here in Washington, our individualized personal personal complexion for sure. 292 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.720 And then just on a side note, really quickly before 293 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.720 I jump into the next question, you had mentioned to 294 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:07.080 me you also have a retail store. 295 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:08.279 That was correct. 296 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:11.519 Yeah, So, as Andrew was describing in college where we 297 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.159 started Tirius, you know, we were young in the wine industry. 298 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:16.759 We don't know, you know, it's very challenging for some 299 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:18.159 people to just to say, oh, I'm going to start 300 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.840 a winery, but how do you start a winery? And 301 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.720 that was sort of my task was to figure out 302 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.559 how do we do this? And part of that process 303 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:27.200 is that we kind of wanted to make sure that 304 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:29.759 what we wanted to present to customers is what customers 305 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.320 really wanted to have from us, which is a unique 306 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:36.799 thing for wineries. So we did that by basically starting 307 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:40.279 a wine shop together. We already had been drinking a 308 00:15:40.279 --> 00:15:42.159 lot of Rollo and champagne in college, as we had 309 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.720 previously mentioned by many stories, so we thought that we 310 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:47.279 could save some money build a wine shop and then 311 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.000 experiment with our with a brand and have a place 312 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:51.799 to sell it before we even had made the wine, 313 00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.440 which was was sort of like more of a financial 314 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:58.600 thing as well. So there was this this usher in 315 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:00.440 that we wanted to start a wine shops. We started 316 00:16:00.480 --> 00:16:02.879 non vintage Wines, which is based off of sort of 317 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.559 the Champagne style of wine making, which is no vintage 318 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.399 deserved wine making. And we have a collection of all 319 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:11.240 sorts of wines international, five hundred different offerings and it's 320 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:14.639 just in Tri Cities, Washington at the fairy tail end 321 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:16.720 of the Acting Valley which still operised today. 322 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:18.480 So brick and mortar store. And you said it's all 323 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:20.679 non vintage wine, all non vintage. 324 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.919 We have both vintage and non vintage and wines from 325 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:26.799 around the world predominantly. 326 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:32.120 That's amazing. Wow, look at that. Okay, so two places 327 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:35.200 to visit while you're here. So you guys are working 328 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.679 with a bunch of varieties. You clearly drink a lot 329 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:39.879 of different wines. Do you think there's a such thing 330 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:41.200 as a perfect variety. 331 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.080 I would say there's not a perfect variety in Washington, 332 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:49.600 but there's definitely blends that are better than others. 333 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.360 Okay, and maybe not specific to Washington in general. Is 334 00:16:55.399 --> 00:16:57.000 there such thing as a perfect variety? 335 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:01.279 Yes, yes, it is a different That's the crazy thing 336 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.360 is is that all vines are really closely related to 337 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:07.559 each other. It's a vine, it's it's a pest of plants, really, 338 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.200 and that's why it can't grow where. It's why it's 339 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.000 such diversity. That's why there's more regions than N plus one. 340 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:17.319 Don't ask some recent wine making graduates perfect variety, Yes, 341 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:18.119 venus benefa. 342 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:19.559 It goes to show. 343 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:22.759 That the diversity is merited because there is this band 344 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.960 with of all grape varietals to be grown and very 345 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.880 successfully marketed, irrespective of where they're planted. 346 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.880 I agree, Yeah, I think that's a good answer, Beth. 347 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:33.960 You want to add to that. 348 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:37.799 I don't know if there's a perfect grape for anywhere, 349 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:40.480 but there's definitely better grapes for certain areas. 350 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.519 M I mean, it's just the simple understanding that a 351 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.680 grape vine is a weak. Yeah, so it's supposed to 352 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.240 grow and overcome challenges. So with that there's flexibility and 353 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:54.640 regions that you can grow those grapes. So it might 354 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.480 not be perfect, but there is definitely better than others. 355 00:17:57.720 --> 00:17:58.960 And this is part of the reason why we have 356 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.839 so many different variety wines and different blends of tears 357 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:05.319 is that we're really trying to explore how we matched 358 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.599 the quality we want to receive with the great arrietals 359 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:11.920 at our current processing. And this is a big part 360 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.400 of the planet's where we have single vineyard wines and 361 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.839 wines of different varietals that would not typically be made 362 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:20.599 into sparkling to go and learn about those processes and 363 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:21.319 how those order. 364 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:26.960 Gratis play and perfection is a sort of a nebulous 365 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:29.519 word of what does that mean? And it's defined differently 366 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:32.759 by every person. What one person likes is not what 367 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:36.640 another person likes. And that's the beautiful world of life. 368 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.400 I mean, it's not just for wine, is for anything. 369 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:43.079 I ask this question of everyone, but usually I'm getting 370 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:45.440 people with a lot more years behind them, who've worked 371 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.079 for big brands or who have been consumers before they 372 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.079 became I mean, you have been too, but I'm asking 373 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.400 this question from a generation because you're the gen Z generation. 374 00:18:57.799 --> 00:19:00.359 What's your opinion? Online critics and scores. 375 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:03.799 Love them really absolutely well. 376 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:08.319 I'm also I am twenty six, but I drink. 377 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.720 Like I'm sixty, so don't take it. 378 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.000 I also have a basement full of wine from every region, 379 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:14.559 so I don't think that I really play. I am 380 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:16.480 the point zero zero one percent of wine drinkers of 381 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:17.039 my generation. 382 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:19.599 I understand that, right, But what is it about wine 383 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.720 scores and critics that you like? 384 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.720 I personally find there is some merit to scores. I 385 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:32.440 feel like reviewers, you know, service the public by trying 386 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.559 to display drinkability at some level. I also think that 387 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:40.200 the understanding that scores relate to pedigree is a super 388 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:44.200 important part. There's many historic wines that many people probably 389 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:48.000 don't drink quaffably, but they are important nevertheless to the industry. 390 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.880 The heritage and the agriculture that the wine industry can 391 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:52.480 show you, and that's really important to me. 392 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.720 Matthew, you don't feel the same way about wine credits 393 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:56.240 and scores. 394 00:19:57.119 --> 00:20:00.400 I think time and place. I think if you find 395 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.640 a wine critic who you completely agree with every time 396 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:05.880 they give one hundred, you completely agree every time they 397 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:09.079 given eighty. You think the same good listen to that 398 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:13.240 wine critic. If you're basing your entire wine consumption off 399 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:16.279 the overarching who gets the best scores, I think you're 400 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:19.359 just missing out on others. I don't think you're necessarily 401 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:22.160