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talking about the defensive line prospects. I told you we'd
get every position. We're gonna cut it close here, but
we're getting all of them defensive linemen here today, linebackers tomorrow.
DB's on Wednesday, so you guys will hear all of them.
C K. We know that this isn't the best class
for everything, but there are some top end edge thrushers here.
There's some pretty good interior defenders as well. More kind
of in the mid rounds on the interior guys and
up at the very tippy top. But the edge class
is very good, so I feel like it's a decent class.
If you need edge depth, you need a big time
premiere edge rusher, you can pick up at the top
interior defensive line. You're looking for more rotation. There's a
lot of upside play on the interior defensive line, and
like the early one hundred picks, somewhere around there, probably
more so upside than there is in the edge. But
there are some decent edge players here as well. So
not as deep as other classes, but a pretty good
class I feel like on the defensive line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good defensive line class. I definitely
like the edges more than the interior players. But like
you said, that doesn't mean, you know, I have ten
interior players that I think should go in the first
hundred picks of this draft or around there. I don't
know if they'll actually all go there, but that's pretty
high and so I mean, if you told me there
was twenty players along the defensive line at least taken
in the first two days of the draft, yeah, I
think that's pretty possible. So a fifth of the picks.
That shows you where the strength of the class lies.
And it's it's kind of like the like you said,
I don't know how many dominant truly, you know, Chase Young,
Joey Bosa, and Nick Bosa, those real high end. We'll
get some really early to edge players. I don't know
if we'll get a lot of that, but we're gonna
get a lot of players in picks like twenty to sixty.
I think probably gonna be tackled the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean recent Bayley are gonna go very high.
Rubyen Bain should go high, but we'll see what his
off the field stuff does to him. And then yeah,
like you said, probably later in the first round, and
then lots Day two and a lot Day three as well.
So let's dive in to some of these team needs.
First to start, We're gonna go edge and then interior
defensive line on these since we're hitting the two positions
really today. And the teams that I have with big
edge needs Cincinnati, Miami, the Jets, the Chiefs, the Bucks,
the Cardinals, and Washington. I have a couple other teams
that need impact and rotation, the Chargers, the Pats, the Eagles,
the Saints, the Bears, and the Falcons. I have a
different kind of broken down section for the last two.
I had just needs rotation, edge depth. So these teams,
because every every team needs step Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Vegas, Minnesota, Seattle.
Not really, and then I have the teams like your
team that have a stud and have nothing behind him.
I mean for your Packers c K, it's Micah Parsons,
Luca van Ness and then Baron Serell Cleveland. It goes
from Miles Garrett to Alex Right. Baltimore did sign Trey Hendrickson,
but Tavius Robinson is a backup. You have Jalen Phillips
and nobody. You have Aiden Hudginson and nobody, Nick Bosa
and nobody. So there are a lot of these teams.
But when you look at the teams with big edge needs,
which are the ones that you're looking at, and you say, look,
you just you have to come out with at least
one edge rusher that can start for your team.
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay's got the worst edge group in
the league, I think, And it's I like, yay, idea
Abi for what he is, but I mean, you have
him here. It's the top edg rusher on the team said.
This is the team that brought in Jason Pierre Paul
right from retirement because they needed it that bad at
the end of the year that I think Tampa Bay's
got the worst edge group right now in the league.
If I had to go with a second one on there.
I like the signing of calebon Chason for Washington, but
they still need more. He's he was basically a you know,
also ran until kind of a little bit of a
resurgence there. We'll see if getting out of New England,
if He's can keep maintaining that play or not. But
otherwise they still need more in Washington's defensive line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's it's interesting for some of these
teams because like Arizona might like if they trade Josh Wett,
they would be the worst edge group because behind Josh
Wet it's David Collins and Baron Browning and b jg
Lari Jordan Birch. I mean there is that's a nice rotation,
but there's no stud. There's no guy that is definitely
going to get after the quarterback. I think you're right
with Washington. I think they have ok depth, right, Like
I like Charles Menehu and Dietrich Wise way better than
I would like Mo Kamara and David Walker. You know,
Fau and Ethan Downs for Kansas City, but they don't
have a stud at all. Like maybe Chase on that guy,
but he's older anyway, maybe he just figured it out.
But the playoff run is what got him paid. And
since he like for since he they're not only going
to have to add pass rush, They're gonna have to
have some guys developed. Miles Murphy, Schamar Stewart need to
take a step up, Bosky maybe somebody. But boy, Mafey
is great. That's a good signing for them, But you
left Trey Hendrickson walk who was better than Mafey. And
this was a terrible group last year. And of course
you know Miami just absolutely needs everything. Looking at these
they need the impact to the rotation teams here Ck Chargers, Patriots, Eagles, Saints, Bears, Falcons.
Who do you think needs the most out of these?
Speaker 2: It's probably the Bears. Montes sweats getting up there looked
a little less last year. Anyways, Dyoad Denebo, that signing
has not really worked out. I know they still have.
They have a lot of hope for Austin Booker, but
that's about at this point. He hasn't really shown a
whole lot. So it's probably the Bears, I would say,
need the most impact there, and then the Chargers need
to just need to start getting a plan. Khalil Mack
is still good. But it's just like we talk about
with some of these really top end players, he'll be
good until your retires, but is that after this year?
And if so is right now two Ley two E
Polo two is taking advantage of the fact that Khalil
max on the field. That that's what it is is
he gets all the easy you know, to the blocking
gets rotated towards Khalil Mack and because of that, I
think he's taking advantage that we saw that was at
a three sack game where it's a four sack game.
He had a huge couple of sack games in there.
But I think that's just because of the fact that
Khalil max on the field, so you have to have
a main pass rusher across from to a Polotu. Whenever
Khalil Mack calls it a career, the one that I
might push down and say that they are okay, is
I still kind of like what Philadelphia gets got there
Nolan Smith and Moro.
Speaker 1: Jomo, but nobody behind him.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, it's just the top guys are fine,
there's just not enough depth there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think New England like losing Chase on
Harold Landry did not play up to contract at all,
so they don't have a lot either. But I mean
Nolan Smith I put them on need impact in rotation,
not so much because of the talent on the field.
I do think Moral Jomo has been great. Nolan Smith
has been awesome as well, But Nolan Smith also has
a scary injury history, so like, if anything happens to him,
now you're down to a Jomo and Ebiquetty. You might
as well be the Falcons from a couple of years ago, right,
Like that's rough. So I think they definitely need some
depth just in case anything happens to Nolan. Jones. Have
a stud but need another and depth obviously. I don't
think you could push back on these. This is the Niners, Lions, Panthers, Ravens,
Browns and Packers. Maybe a little bit on the Browns
because Alex Wright played better, but I mean, when Miles
Garrett's getting three dudes over there every play, yes, of
course you should be pretty good. On the other side.
And you know, if Michael Parsons is healthy, I would
like the Packers depth, but they need somebody else because
he is not healthy, and you know, he's still gonna
be great when he comes back, but he's gonna lose
a little, because losing a little for a guy that
that's good is a lot. So what are your thoughts
on these teams that need another stud.
Speaker 2: I think I would push back on on the Niners.
I might move them even up. I'm not sure Nick
bost is a stud anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's heard a lot as the thing.
Speaker 2: Like, I think he's a stud when he's on the field.
But you're talking about I've heard you say it many times, right,
games play, that's skill we're talking about. When is it ben?
Since he's played at the most games three years, four years,
and even then we saw early in his career at
a full seasonhere he missed almost the entire year. And
so when he's on the field, yeah, stud. But I
might move them up a little bit and say he
might they might be more into the need impact in rotation.
I'm not sure there's that big of a difference at
this point between Nick Boasts and some of the players
above him, because he's just not been on the field
enough for them. And I know they drafted Mikel Williams
early last year. It was a little surprising and it
didn't really work out. What Mikel Williams needs is a
stud across from him to be the two. But I
talked about what uley to a polow to where you
have a stud and then Mikel Williams can develop with that.
But if Nick Bosa is not on the field, then
Mikel Williams becomes the main guy and it all kind
of trickles down. So Nick Williams, nick Bosa great, just
got to be on the field more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Niners might have the worst defensive
line issues in the league. So we'll get to them
on the interior. They're gonna They're gonna be at the forefront.
Do you think any of these teams need more than
what I'm saying in just rotation? We have Seattle, Minnesota, Vegas, Denver, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston, Pittsburgh,
and Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Those are some really good defensive lines. First Off, congratulations
to will Anderson for getting the bag for Houston keeping
that together. Yeah, did fifty get in the absolute bag
and well deserved. One of the best aad russers in league.
Maybe Buffalo Greg Russoe is He's like someone that I
feel like should be better than he actually is.
Speaker 1: I think he'd be like good in that two polo two, right,
I put a stud on the other side and then
you'll see Russo take off.
Speaker 2: Is Bradley Chubb a studd? I don't think so. So
maybe you could put like Nita stud up there, but
that's probably the one that I pushed back on. But
these are some These are some great defensive lines. Pittsburgh's
your team's got a great defensive line. They've had it
for years. This is why Denvers. This is part of
the reason Denver's defense is so successful is that their
cornerbacks only have to cover for very short amounts of
time because they're getting so much pressure from you know,
the Canto there and Jonathan Cooper and plays like that.
So yeah, these are there's some really good defensive lines.
And you nailed it up here.
Speaker 1: Man, interior defensive line big needs. I have the Niners
at number one here. They did trade for Diggie zoo Wah.
That was huge because before that it was Alfred Collins,
Sebastian Valdez, CJ. West, and Evan Anderson. That is the rotation.
So they need a lot of help on the interior.
I mean maybe Freddie Collins, you know, takes a step
up and can be better. That's my boy. Hook them
let's go. I like a DIGGI zoo wah. But they
need more, uh Cincy Jonathan Allen is old, bj Hill
is okay, Slayton Jenkins, we need to see more out
of your boy, McKinley Jackson. I have the Chargers in
here as well. It's Jamari Caldwell, Dalvin, Thomlinson, Tier Tart decent,
but I mean Tomlinson's Old Vegas, Adam Butler, jonah La
Lulu Vegas, the Giants. What are we doing with Dexter Lawrence? Right,
we've heard the rumors about he wants out. They're saying, no,
what's gonna happen there? And Philly I have because it's
Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter and again they only have two
other guys on the roster, it's Byron Young and Ty Robinson.
They have to get deeper, specifically with a guy like
you know, Jordan Davis on this roster where you know
he is, he's man mountain, He's a beast, but obviously
not gonna be able to stay on the field. Who
which is the one that sticks out the most of
you or are all of them pretty desperate?
Speaker 2: You need to nail San Francisco, right, it's it's the
worst in the league, and helping getting Diggers well helps,
but it's still bad. I mean, you mentioned Michael McKinley Jackson.
I also like Chris Jenkins. I wish they were better
for since then, but they have not shown anything. So yeah,
we got to keep them. I mean, we got to
talk about them. It's improving because I've been wrong and
they have not been very good. Jamori Caldwell was a
Day three pick last year. If I remember it, maybe
it was late day two that he got picked by
the Chargers, and now he's the starting interior player. I
kind of liked him for what he was, but I
expect I didn't expect him to be the main player
in the rotation for the Chargers. We liked him for
what he was, but that's not what he's being asked
to do. Vegas is bad, and Vegas is real bad bad.
Speaker 1: Us too, like get that interior in the whole line
will work well together the Giants.
Speaker 2: It all just depends that Dexter. Do you think Dexter
Lawrence starts the years to remember the Giants.
Speaker 1: I think he gets traded during the drafts.
Speaker 2: I think, do you have a team, because I have
a team Vegas. They I was gonna say lost, I
was gonna say the Chargers. So we're kind of in
the same same mold yeers. Yeah, just sticking to these
big teams that need the interior players here. But yeah,
I don't I don't think he makes it as a
member of the Giants, which then moves them. I mean
without him there, it is disgustingly had. Right now, if
you take extra lawrence off the Giants, that becomes like.
Speaker 1: They might put an edge in there. I mean it's tough.
Speaker 2: Their rotation at edge is amazing, right, but man, at
the terier that's terrible. They'd have to really consider hitting
that early and often. And then Philadelphia two of the
best tackles in the league. But there's just nothing behind him,
like you said, So that's something that take advantage of
the depth of this class, right. I just said that
we have all these players that we like, you know,
fourteen to fifteen defensive linemen that I actually like, take
a couple of them here and just build your depth.
And Philly is usually really good at that, so I
would expect them to target that in the draft.
Speaker 1: So I just went and looked. Twenty eight million is
what Dexter Lawrence's contract is. There are only a handful
of teams that could afford to even take him on.
Of course you can adjust this, but teams with that
amount and a little more left the Ravens, the Niners,
who definitely have a need, the Seahawks, Eagles, Patriots, Jets, Cardinals, Chargers, Commanders,
and Titans. I think those top two teams, Commanders and
Titans be in play. I think the forty nine ers
as well should do what they could to get dexa
launce if they possibly can't. I don't have a lot
of separation outside of that and the rest of the teams.
I have need interior defensive line help. Miami, the Jets, Baltimore, Cleveland, Houston, Indy, Jacksonville,
Kansas City, and Minnesota. I think the rest of the
teams are pretty much okay. So I didn't list everybody here,
But what are your thoughts on these teams? Am? I am,
I you know a little too, Pollyanna, on any of
these teams. Do some of these teams in a little more.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Miami for not being in the lowest
level on one of these spots. I think this might
be like the first one. We are up a level here.
Speaker 1: They spent on last year and they said Seeler and
Jordan Phillips is not bad. So you know they they're
not done. They need to add, but they're not the
worst in the league at the interior.
Speaker 2: There we go. We found a spot for Miami. Do
we ever get an update on matasl for Baltimore? Do
we ever get an update?
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be okay. Yeah, I think he's
gon to be all right, but it is it's a
spinal thing, yep. So you know, behind him, they do
have Travis Jones Broderick Washington who are good, but it's
real ugly behind those three, so matta beequick goes down.
That was, you know, part of the issue that they
had last year that ain't coupled with no edge help.
I mean, Hendrickson should help out a lot, but they
still need stuff there.
Speaker 2: If they can get him healthy, that's a huge that'll
be a huge part of helping their team. I remember
it was like a spinal thing too, so I was
wondering if we ever got an update on that. Hopefully
he's good to go. We want to see that Jacksonville's
got Jacksonville just made a trade, right, so you must
have worked on this before this. So we got a
rural role in here for Mason Smith, which is I
saw you put it in the group me room there.
It's just an odd trade, which I completely agree with.
Two interior players who I'm not really sure either one
of them matters.
Speaker 1: They were picked like ten spots away in the twenty
twenty four.
Speaker 2: We're just going to try to like the classic, We're
gonna give you a new location to see if we
can get something out of you, because neither one has
really developed into the way that they hoped for Minnesota.
I think Minnesota could use a little bit more because
Jalen Redmond's good. I believe ar Rodriguez is good. But
they lost a hard grave to the packers here, so
maybe a they might have moved them up a level
to not big needs, but a bigger need than some
of these other teams that you have downlisted here.
Speaker 1: I'm looking just for context here. Let's see good news
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working in videos Ravens strector strengthened conditioning. Scott Ela confirmed
on April eighth, and Mattabeakway's in great shape and working hard.
In March, they said it was too early for clarity
for his you know, for them to say that he
is good. But I think we'll know right because if
the Ravens take an interior defensive lineman early in the draft,
will be like, well, that must mean they're not counting
on matabak Way at all. So because that if Mattabeakway
is out, You're right, that would become a massive need
for them. So interesting here, anybody else that I didn't
list you think needs help on the interior defensive line here?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm a Green Bay fan around here.
I think they could use it. That's just a team
that I've seen get ran on, specifically once the Fonte
why I got hurt last year. Teams just gashed them
up the middle. So I think they just need more
depth and hopefully they get that in the draft. I
think that's something they have no first round pick with
Michael Parsons. I'll take Michael Parsons over a first round pick,
but hopefully on Day two of the draft. I think
an interior player is very much play.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that is like maybe the one position
where I'm like, all right, Pittsburgh, this is what we
don't need right now.
Speaker 2: Now, you guys, it was it last year when you
hammered it with Derek Carman. And who's the other one
that you guys dressing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Black? Yeah, my boy?
Speaker 2: How can I forget.
Speaker 1: Benton cam Hayward yaha?
Speaker 2: Black?
Speaker 1: Then Oto Miwo was good as well, and Logan Lee
so good on the interior here for sure. Let's talk
about the first round prospects along the defensive line. We're
gonna start with the edge rushers and then go to
the interior in each of these rounds. First round at
number two is rvel Rees unlimited upside to being an
edge thrusher, but also an awesome inside linebacker. Will probably
be a bit of a twinner, but projects best at edge.
So fast and strong. We needs to work on counter
moves and adding mass to get to his peak. For
David Bailey from Texas Tech, he's in number three. I
have him really really good at combining his strength and speed.
Bull rush is incredible and feels like he could hip
toss any offensive lineman when he gets his arm extended.
Still needs to work on defending on the run. Game
only started for one season, motor wanes and he can't
get pushed off the spot. He also had that fight
with a camera guy after the ASU game, so I
know teams were worried about that. Ruben Bain at number
eight from Miami's short arms, but he's built, dense, incredible
body control, strong hands. Was the best edge player in
the nation in twenty twenty five high motor, high IQ,
but doesn't have a great first step. He whiffs on
tackles on occasion. He had a slight injury history and
apparently a car accident where someone passed away a long
time ago, like three like three years ago, not so
not a crazy long time ago. But he wasn't he
not a d Why he was not drunk. This was
a true accident that happened. So but that came about
into the public knowledge a little bit later than it
should out. So let's start with those three, because we
do have four more edge rushers that are supposed to
go in the first round, but these are the three
within the top ten. Who do you like more between
Recent Bailey?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have Recent number one. I've I moved
him for a long time. I had him at linebacker.
I did move him eventually to the edge because I
think that's probably his best fit. But he would be
a really good linebacker too. He can cover. He's actually
a very good cover player. But it's the value of
an edge player who can do what he does is
so much higher than what a linebacker is, you know.
I think if you just focused on the edge, he's
basically a Jered Versa like player out there. Just forkliffs
players out of his way, plays through balance. He's completely
in contact at all times, not afraid to take on
any players at all. Like and run defense, He's all
over it, changes directions awesomely. The knocks. If there's some
knocks on him, it would be because he is kind
of going back and forth between the edge and linebacker's
play action got him a few times, right, he's not
his eyes are caught in the backfield. He's only played
fewer than a thousand snaps. But I didn't even watch R.
L Ree lastummer, and I did some of the stuff early.
But then my very first note that came out against
your team and it's like, where did they find this guy?
Like they have just another freaky athlete on the defensive
line and it never stopped and by the end of
the year it was I'm not sure. I mean the
comparison everyon wants to make his Mica Parsons, right, I'm
not going to put that on him, but I think
it's another Packer. I think it's Edrean Cooper who they
play at linebacker but can drop down, can get into
the backfield if he needs to. He can play us
an edge player, and he's a really good player. And
that's kind of what I see when I see R. L. Reese.
I think he goes certainly in the top five picks.
He could go as the early at two overall and
that should not be surprising.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Bailey? Should he be this
high in the top five?
Speaker 2: So I have David Bailey just this a tier all
by himself. So it's a tier of one and then
another tier of one, because yes, he should also go
in the top five. Bailey's thing is just relentless motor
that pairs with awesome athleticism. Because sometimes you see guys
who have great athleticism, but they kind of dog it.
Sometimes you get guys who have a great motor, but
they're not the athlete that David Bailey is. David Bailey
just moves, explosive athlete who just gets by people instantly,
plays right through bodies like he will lower and just
try to start working you back, and then once you
start to get ready to absorb that, then he just
dips and goes around you on the outside. They ask
him to drop another one, they'll ask him to drop
into space. It's not exactly the way I would use him,
but he's a good tackler in space. He doesn't miss
a lot of tackles. High Lea's a lot of strength,
shows up to play all the time. If there's again,
if there's some knocks on him. I think he's a
little tight, right. I think he doesn't quite bend as
much as like Rvell Reese is a little more linear
as a mover than he is. You mentioned some of
the off field stuff the fight with Arizona, states reporter
guy after the game, and I think it might just
be like he doesn't always understand he doesn't always keep
his rush lane right. He's so aggressive trying to get
to the ball that sometimes he just completely runs himself
out of a play. But I would rather have you
be overly aggressive than Timoth too, So that's it's one
or the other. But again, yeah, David Bailey if I
just tennessee it as four if you don't take the
running back, I think David Bailey makes a lot of
sense just because you can only have you know, so
many dominant pass rushers on that team. Jermaine Johnson him
on one side, that would be a heck of a start.
But David Bailey should be another top five player.
Speaker 1: Rubin Bain, is he is he in your top ten?
Speaker 2: He is number seven, so yes he is. He is
the start. Now this is not a tier of one.
He starts a tier of about those are six in
this tier and it's not necessary. I don't know. The
short arms are what they are, right, He had the
short arms in college. And this is a guy who
had nine and a half sacks last year, has made
fifteen and a half tackles for loss. He's been a
sack machine his entire career. So I don't Yes, it's
not great. I don't love that he has short arms,
but it is what it is, and I've seen him
be dominant at the college level, and so I'm gonna
go off the fact that I've seen him do it.
His ability to chase down plays is just ridiculous. Like
you see him running down screen passes to the sideline.
You see him chasing down the ball twenty yards downfield,
controls the point of attack as a run defender for
a guy who supposedly for a guy who supposedly like
short armed, they don't move him and run defense, he
just sits in anchors and you can't move him. He's
very good in run defense. The leverage he's short, right,
he uses the leverage. He gets under bodies and he
moves them back again if I had to knock on him.
There are times when longer tackles will make it hard
for him because he doesn't have a long of arms.
So yes, he's gonna have to go a longer distance.
But with his relentless pursuit to do that, it's not
like he's quitting on the play midway through it. I've
never seen him put on a play. I don't think
he'll ever qut on a play in his life. He
just is an absolute machine out there. He misses some
tackles because his arms are short, right, he misses some,
but he's in the backfield constantly. He is playing all
over the field. If my team, you know, if any
team wants to take Ruben Baine in the top ten,
I think that's where you should go. And yes, you
live with the fact that his arms are a little shorter,
but you say, well, we just got a guy who's
been nothing but productive the last few years, and I
would not I expect him to be productive in the
NFL too right away.
Speaker 1: Keldric Falk is kind of he's kind of weird because
I've seen him go as high as like nine or ten,
and then you know, I've also seen him fall back
to the end of the first round. So to me,
I like him a lot team captain. With size six
five seven two hundred and seventy six pounds, Edgson can
play four to three and or three four and he's
really really hard to knock off his spot with that size,
and his hands are heavy heavy. He really julps back
some offensive linemen. I think the downsides for him not
very quick with his size, he can get a little
upright when playing against the run, and this is This
was pointed out by a lot of people. There's two
many almost plays with Keldric Fall, but that the almost
plays show me, like, you know, just a little more seasoning,
he's gonna turn those almost plays and impact plays and
be a very very good player. So I feel like
the production and maybe being scheme specific at his size
will lower him in the draft. But I think he
could be really productive if he does get that season.
So what are your thoughts on Faull. We'll start with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of he said almost plays. That's
a good word to phrase it, because we're talking about
a guy who in three seasons has ten total sacks. Right,
I talked about ho ruben Bain had nine and a
half last season. Caldre Falk said ten in three years
at Auburn. There, but he's super young. He's gonna be
one of the players draft, one of the youngest players drafted.
He won't be able to celebrate his being drafted by
taking a drink because he's not legally eligible to do
that yet. He'll still be too young to do that
when he gets drafted in a couple of nights, and
he's just he's this massive human being who They play
all over the line too, Like they'll drop him down
into the interior, they'll move him out to the wide
nine alignment. And I'm not sure that's necessarily helped him
be productive. I think it's helped their defense. I think
it's big time helped Auburn. Now. I think if you
had just said you're an edge defender play out here,
I think he probably would have had more success doing that.
But he has to do a lot of things that
probably weren't the best for him. So he's someone that
I expect to gets much better in the NFL than
he's been at college. There are times when he just
chucks offensive lineman out of the way. The running back
is getting close to him. He'll just throw their offensive
lineman out of the way and wrap up and make
the play. It's crazy how strong this dude is right now, though,
his past us plan is just be relentless and if
it gets stopped, well I'm stopped. And I don't really
have a counter move to that. To me, I mean,
the dream for Keldrick fulke is Cameron Jordan. That's what
it is. He's this huge, long guy Cameron. For what
Cameron Jordan's been for the Saints. Now that's a one
hundred percent outcome. G Camra Jordan's one of the best
players in the league for a long time here, but
you mentioned it he plays a little high. I just
think if I want to take like an upside developmental
defensive end, he's right up there. He might not be
my top favorite one, but you're also taking a guy
who's probably going to go in the first round too.
It's just he's young. He's shown enough flashes that I
think you can get more out of him, and he's
probably a better pro than he was at Auburn as
far as statistically is concerned.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other three guys, which I think
each have you know, a major issue that teams are
going to worry about. And number twenty one, it's a
key Mesador. I got him with a quick first step,
hands are violent, swipes, hands away, jolts the life out
of a defender, and incredibly relentless. He does his job,
whether it stopping the run, getting after a screen, or
getting to the quarterback. He can sometimes get over aggressive
and over pursue. And this is the thing older prospect
of twenty five because he's had a lot of injuries,
foot surgery and both feed and missed a game last
well last year as well. Number twenty nine is TJ.
Parker from Clemson. Motor and destroying the run game are
would stand out for Parker. He's in the backfield, a
lot tons of tackles for loss, really great build and
length to mold. But really he fell off in twenty
twenty five. That that production, which you could say for
the entirety of the Clemson roster, but that drop off
in production is what made him, you know, go from
a top ten to a top thirty player here and
then Cash just how from Texas, a and m undersized
pass rusher that is very fast, has a ton of
bend he can drop and coverage, has lots of bats
the line, very strong production numbers, but the size issues
show up. He gets knocked off a spot by big
offensive tackles. Inside moves are tough, and he can be
a little grabby on occasion. So rounding out those defensive
ends here in the first round, these edge rushers, Mesador Parker,
how how do you rank them? So?
Speaker 2: I still have t J. Parker at the top of
this group for me, he is very firmly a day
one play pick for me. Still, yeah, you mentioned it right.
The production this year was way down going into the summer.
I think if he wasn't my top player, he's certainly
in my top five. And then it came out and
I was like, okay, okay, well you're being disappointing here.
But in the end of the year he started to
look better. I don't know if he was injured. They
never mentioned an injury. They never mentioned it with Ka Clubnick.
I don't know why they didn't tell us that maybe
he wasn't injured. He just didn't play well. But there
are reps where my dude is just getting under players,
getting them off the ground and moving them out of
the way. Again, it's just leveling. I mean the Senior Bowl,
there's a rep where he just completely destroys Jennings Dunker,
just absolutely demolishes him three sacks in a game for
South Carolina at the end of the year where he
shows this completely diverse run package. I just talked about
how Keldric Falk is just relentlessness. Then if he gets stopped,
he's got nothing else.
Speaker 1: T J.
Speaker 2: Parker's got it all in the bag man, He's got
moves galore and when he uses when he has a chance,
and he just torks guys. He just shucks the offensive
tackle off of him. Again, I don't think he's super bendy.
I don't think he's the freak athlete that R. L. Reesent,
Ruben Bain and David Bailey are. He's just not quite
to that level. But I think you could easily get
a really strong top player at the edge position for
ten years, and if especially if you could make him
your number two. I think that's probably his best fit.
But you'd be fine. It's like your top edge defender
in a room. But I like DJ Parker. He's the
top one I have in this group. Then I actually
have Cashi's house still had a key Messa door. I
get the knocks some of the stuff you said. First off,
I'm glad that you noted the knockdown bats at the line.
I note that too. It's crazy because he is like
the smallest of these offensive edge players, even ruben Bain,
who gets all the knocks for his short arms. Castius
Hell's actually even tinier than that. But man, godness man,
he's just constantly living in the backfield against these teams.
Like if he is tiny, but the lateral movement. It
just crazy abilities to get around the edge. And then
you watch him cover, Like twenty twenty five, there's a
play where Mason Taylor's running an edge like a steam
route down the field. Mason Taylor got drafted and it
was the second round last year early, and he's just
like twenty yards down field in his hip pocket to
knock this ball down. Like the coverage skills, he could
easily play linebacker if he needed to. But multiple games
this year where he had three or four sacks, I
think if he was longer, he's a no doubt top
fifteen pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, the only guy, Patrick Payton is the only
one with more bats than him this year he had three.
Peyton had four and Patrick Payton Sixt's five.
Speaker 2: So exactly, he's just he's just short and that's what
it is. And then he missed the very end of
the season with a hand injury. But I like cash
is How It's just a relentless defender two At that time,
he's just.
Speaker 1: Forgive me here, Like I just have to say, I
love watching how play and I hate that I love it.
Oh right, dude, When he wiped out Nasmyer in that
first drive from LSU and then he was like raising
the roof that fire. My god, dude, I mean, my boy,
Colin Simmons has that plus more length and size like
that is so fun to watch. He is, you know,
Tasmanian devilish, like he is just the motor motor motor
in the speed is it just shows up everywhere. Even
when he misses, he shows up because he's so far
off right. He is a lot of fun to watch.
And I hate that I had to say that.
Speaker 2: I love his I love his He runs this ghost
move and then he'll just eat it up with an
inside spin move and he just destroys people on it.
The only person I saw that honestly helped their own
against the most of the year was your guy at
Texas Ruvord Gisby had a nice gup game against him,
I thought, But otherwise he beat everybody all year. Don't compare.
I have a player com for him. You tell me
what you think.
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jerry Hughes is a
lot of fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Go back right, like a little bit of a yea.
Speaker 1: But another dude with relentless, relentless, always there, always there,
in speed. Yeah, that's a good comp I like you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Messador. I mean, so Bain gets all the hype,
which is deserved, but Messador is really good too. He's
just got a lot of injury problems. Routinely chases plays
across the field with a lot of pursuit himself. There's
there's times when they'll try to like throw plotters players
at him. He just again, he just stops him instantly.
He's very compactly built. I think he can hold up
well in the run game lines up. They line him
up really wide a lot of times, but there are
times when they'll drop him down into a more traditional alignment.
They're gonna be questions on the injuries. Right, twenty five,
it's not great. I don't I'd love him to be
twenty like Keldrick Falk, But if I got four good
years out of him as a strong pass rusher, you
can live with that. And so you just have to
know there is more of a I don't want to
say a shelf life because it makes him time like
he's really old. But you're probably gonna get one strong
contract and then one more contract out of a key
messagor at most, whereas you know, you could get ten
twelve years out of Eltric Falk. And so if I'm
a team who's already got you know, one of these
teams that we talk about that has a stud locked in, right,
and I just need someone that I'm already a good team,
He's probably gonna go outside the top twenty picks New England, right,
Harold Landry's there, Maybe we get more out of Harold
Landry and we drop a key messador into it, Like
I think that's a perfect fit for him. But if
it's somebody who's big edge needs Miami, what I want
a key messador necessarily, I don't know. I'm not sure
he fits with their timeline. That's but he's a good player.
He's just the bottom of this tier.
Speaker 1: For me, it's a reason why he might go lower
than a couple of other guys here. The interior defensive
lion has two prospects in here, Like I said, not
top heavy, but decent through the middle. After we have
what was that seven ed thrushers, So I think there
should be three in the first round, but Caleb Banks
is not because of his injury. Peter Woods number twenty
eight from Clemson very fundamentally sound player as a plan
on every snap he shows a lot of clean moves
and strong effort. Would seem to have loss a bit
of explosion in twenty twenty five Without a good first step.
He can't get knocked off balance even when he does
get by, so a couple issues for him. And then
Kaden McDonald, I think is probably my favorite interior defensive
lineman in this class brick shitthouse build. I mean dick
all the way through the trunk, rocked up everywhere, gets
pushed back, and enough wiggle to get through the gaps
at his size. He breaks down the run game incredibly well.
Not nearly as good in pass rush though, so very
We're all there. Conditioning isn't an issue yet, but it
might get there. With all that muscle. Hands are secondary
thought and he could really unlock his whole game if
he can get those counter moves and hands to be
a little bit better in my opinion, So, Peter Woods
from Clemson and Kate McDonald at Ohio State, which one
do you like better? And does Caleb belonging here?
Speaker 2: Caleb's my top player, Catob's my top defensive Okay, our defender. Well,
we'll talk about him in a little bit. But I
have Caden McDonald at second among defensive linemen, and that's
that's a tier. I have just the two of them,
Kleb Banks and Caden McDonald. There you nailed Caden McDonald. Man.
He's an incredible run defender, right, probably the best. I mean,
there's no probably. He is the best run defender in
this class, better than Kleb Banks and any of the
bails that he's shown, better than Tyler Williams. That's what
we talked about Tyler Williams at this time last year
coming out of Ohio State. Caden McDonald's better than that.
He just he eats double teams. But he's not just
up there like space clogging either. He is actively working
to make tackles and like instantly resetting the line of
scrimmage for Ohio State's favorite. Part of the reason and
this isn't to take away from r Bell, Yes is amazing,
Sunny Styles is awesome, Downs is great. Like part of
the reason they're so good is that Kateen McDonald's just
making sure that no one is blocking Sunny. There's so
many plays where Sonny Styles just gets to run free
because no one's getting past Kaden McDonald, and that's he's
just immovable. In the run game. There's like against Indiana,
there's a first round player just as a run defender.
He gets the snap, moves the offensive line one yard back,
and your team is instantly in a much better like
set to make the play. He'll make tackles in the backfield.
He's just if he was if I thought he could
even get to consistently five sacks a year, i'd take
him in the top half of the first round. I
don't know if he ever gets there though, right and
he might maybe he caps out some years that like three.
But he's probably one of the best run defending tackles
in the league right away.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he adds pass rush, he's Cam Hayward.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, yeah, exactly, yeap. Just it's hard to do
that because I think he's had been I mean, I
know he's been well coach ott Ohio State, right so
he can get better. I'm not anybody can get better,
but I don't see it right now, which is why
I still have a very He's twenty seven over on mind,
so I have him in the first round. I he's great.
Peter Woods is actually my defensive Lineman number four, so
I have another one in between here and Peter Woods.
And he was again, if he wasn't my top player,
he was definitely in the top five going into the year.
But unlike TJ. Parker, who I thought showed some signs
of getting better as the year, girl went on Peter Woods,
just like disinterested man. He didn't even look like he
cared at times out there. And that's for a guy
who going into the year I just said, this guy
looks like Jayalen Carter, like he's he's awesome. He's eating
double teams, he's getting in the backfield. But as the
year went on, it was okay, well, maybe teams are
running away from him, and that happened, but he doesn't.
He wasn't playing the same. He looked like a different player.
He looks slower off tape for a guy who had
great get off. I watched him and there'd be times
when the ball snap, he's right across from the ball
and you're half a like TJ. Parker is out on
the edge getting off the ball quicker than you, man,
like you're right away.
Speaker 1: You hate to see that stuff. I do think they
were pretty bad vibes at Clemson, and I think I'm
not giving him an excuse. You don't. You don't take
plays off, right right exactly, But it wasn't. This wasn't
an issue until this year, right exactly.
Speaker 2: And that and maybe that's it, and that's you don't
want to see if someone do that. I don't love
that stuff. I mean, we see that happen in the
NFL all the time, where players take plays off. You
you dealt with that with George Pickens for years, and
you know how irritating they can get, even when you're
that talented. But I still keep him as he is
number thirty seven overall for me, so still a very
early second round pick. It's just I need you to
answer what happened this year, right like if I'm a
nine NFL team, I need you to tell me, okay,
we're Were you hurt? Did you not like the scheme?
Did something change? Because otherwise you look like a completely
different player. I would not take based off of twenty
twenty five what he put on tape. He's not a
secon round player. Good, Okay, you have to go off
with what he's did on twenty twenty four, and it's
athletic gifts He's extremely athletically gifted. That's that's not a question.
So I would take him in the second round. But again,
I want him to land in a good spot like Vegas,
is not it right. I don't want him to go
to some place like Vegas where you can screw around
and do something like that. Drop him in Baltimore, drop
him something like that. That would be no Miami, No Miami,
no nowhere. Fun right, go to Cleveland. We are focusing
on football here, man, come to Green Bay.
Speaker 1: That's really cold, Cincinnati, let's go. Let's talk about the
second round.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: We got five edge players in three interior defensive players
in the second round. And these are all ranks according
to mock Draft database. By the way, these aren't our
personal ranks. But at edge number thirty seven we have
Zion Young from Missouri. I got him as a strong
edge effort slash team captain with limited upside. Already good
against the run, good size and speed, and could do
a little bit of everything well place a little stiff
body might be maxed out. Speed, burst, change, direction are
all just okay, which leads to him being a little
stiff and slower on some snaps. For Malachi Lawrence also
at number forty three or at forty three burst in
hand stand up out he can get you can get
around or inside with speed and knocks offensive lineman off
balance with strong swipes and chops. Another guy that plays
a bit upright and can't get pushed back if the
hands and first step aren't there, and can over pursue
a little bit. Ar Mason Thomas from Oklahoma forty seven,
small and quick, technically sound, uses a lack of size
to gain leverage and still shows power. Dude seems to
always know where the ball is going. He gets washed
away sometimes because of his size. Not asked to drop
enough to be confident for him to play on third
downs from the jump gave Jakas, how do we say it?
I always mess it up? Yakis?
Speaker 2: We're going with Yakis. I believe there's like a yah
yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a Yakis hackis yah. Jabe Yakis from Illinois
A refined hands chip swat rip swim. The hands are
always moving, strong fundies, fifty straight starts, lots of production
in Illinois. Elite level pass rusher with below average everything
else push trying to take up space and some run
some rough run d snaps for Gabe Akis and then Derek.
Derek Moore has so much upside, in my opinion, dominated
at the Senior ball, we were really able to see
the upside there when he gets through. He's taking big,
long strides even when a guy is hanging on him,
and is really good at pursuit, which keeps him strong
in the run game. The issue is he gets wiped
out of the plays a lot. I think he already
has a strong floor and I kind of thought of
his floor as Bud Dupree, right, like a guy that
is that pursuit guy. He may not get around fast enough,
but if you hold on the ball too long, he's
gonna get you. If you run out wide too long,
he's gonna get you. You try to stretch it out
like his speed in his pursuit and his strides are
very very good for a net rusher. So how do
you see this second round tier of ed rushers in
or are we missing anybody?
Speaker 2: So I have all of these guys in that tier
plus one more. My top ed rusher in this group.
I have Malachi Lawrence as my favorite in this group.
He is right behind a key Mesadora eight as my
ed rusher. It's just a projection off of what his
his entire. His body type is crazy, Like his arms
look like they touch his kneecaps when he's running out there. Man,
Like it's wild. How blong this dude is, and he
looks at times they would use him like an outside linebacker.
His best fits clearly edge. I talk about how cash
is Helkin covered downfield. He's not doing that. That's not
what Malachi Lawrence is doing. But that's what they used him.
But when they kick him out, like then they drop
him down into edge, just traditional ads, and they just
say go get the quarterback. Like there are some reps
where he's playing from like a wide nine or traditional
edge where he almost instantly has the snap. He gets
off the snap instantly and then he uses his long
arms and just forces his way past the offensive lineman
to get around to the pocket. Now I don't see
him completely with on tackles, but he's not good at
wrapping up right now, right like he he gets there,
he's just not making the tackles.
Speaker 1: And there are some I think he takes bad angles.
Speaker 2: I think, and he's just not been He just needs
to add some strength, I think. I think that's what
it comes down to him. I think those long arms
are great. I need you to put on just a
little bit more muscle, But he would be the one
I would say. There's him, and there's one other guy
who you have not mentioned yet, who I think have
this much upside as any of the addressers, just because
there is not a lot of people who I think
have the build that MALICKI. Lawrence has. And it's it's
the really long arms, it's the ability to stretch out
and do things that I don't think some of the
other players can do in this group. So he is
my favorite of this group, followed by gaby Akis. You
mentioned some of it right. Illinois played him completely in
the wrong position. They did not take advantage of him
at all. I don't know why. There's there's player where
they're like dropping him into the interior, and then there's
plays where they're almost using him as like a slot cornerback.
I don't know why they're he's standing up outside like
that because it's not it's not what he's doing well.
But the best game for him was against Duke great
just completely flew by a couple of spin moves, stripsack
Garian mensa take some false steps on our pos. I
noticed the RPOs and again, he shouldn't have to be
worrying about that, like an edge player should not be
trying to read whether or not the quarterback's going to
hold the ball and pull it back as far as
you know then throw the ball. But that's what they
had him do. He's really good hands to try to
strip the ball out of there. I love the spin
rip combo that he has. He's not He's not a
finesse player. His thing is straight power. He's not going
to finesse you to the line. Can we get some
more help out of him in that way? I think so.
You mentioned the Senior Bowl earlier. I saw him lined
up at edge and that and just rot Rex shop.
I'm not the biggest Austin Barber guy. He just destroyed
Austin Barber a few times. Not sure he's a super athlete,
but I think he's a good football player. Who a
team that is going to be happy to draft in
round two and they'll get some good, pretty good production
out of Gabiacis. Then is Zion young? I mean so
if Cash his Holl's my favorite edge players far to watch.
Cash's Zion Young's probably second. I mean, just you mentioned
Tasmanian Devil with catch his help, that's the same thing.
Zion Young looks like someone told him before the game
start that his mom's ugly or something, and he's just
got to get into the back of it. Like it's
like the water boy out there man. Like he is
just throwing back player, very much a throwback player who
his passionless plan is be relentless or jump instantly to
a new gap and hope he gets there with quickness.
That's the issue right right now, That's all he's doing
is he's just saying, I am not going to stop.
Good luck stopping me. I'm going to push, push, push
my way into the backfield. And it works. I still
chased down the Lenora Sellers in open space. We haven't
talked about Lenora Sellers, but he's a great run the
player and chased him down. He just keeps he kept
climbing up my ranks, and then at the end when
we got some of the measurements, I dropped him down
a little bit. I didn't think he was the only
person who I saw really beat max Ian Atcher at
the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: I thought Zion Young got him one rep where I
was like, wow, I didn't see anybody else do it.
I think he's a really safe pick as he's an
awesome run defender for a guy who's undersized, he is
all over the field to do it. So I think
he is a really safe floor. But some of the
physical limitations and the lack of counter moves just tell
me that maleck I Lawrence has much higher ceiling than
what Zion Young offers. But it's a much lower floor,
is what I would say in that. So I think
Zion Young is going to be a good NFL football player.
I don't know if they're star upside where some of
these other players like male like U Laurrence s has
star upside. Cash is how could be star if he
comes if it all develops right, and I don't think
that happens with Zion Young.
Speaker 1: Did we get everybody here? Uh?
Speaker 2: So, then we have one that we haven't talked about yet.
I'll skip him. Derek Moore is ahead of our Mason
Thomas for me, and it's just they're very similar players.
Are Mason Thomas's size limitations show up to me more
than Derek Moore's more than Casher owls more than you know.
Ruben Bain's for sure. His size limitations. To me, He's
the one that I'm willing to say. I don't think
our Mason Thomas is an every down player. I think
all the other guys we talked about, Ruben Bains short arms,
he can play every down. I've seen it. Cash is
how can play every down. I've seen it. Derek Moore
I think can play every down. Our Mason Thomas is
a designated paths rusher. I don't think our Mason Thomas
is somebody I want on the field and first and
second downs, because while there are some truly amazing sacks,
he is flying off the edge. He will chase the
ball carrier all over the field. Like in other word,
he is relentless. The best you're hoping for here is
you get Bryce Off. That's what you're hoping for, and
that's a great player. But it's a really hard player
to find. I more likely with our Mason Thomas, I
think you get a better version of what mo Kamara
has been. I think I like Mokamara. I think he's
better than that, But I don't think I want him on.
I know I don't want him on the field, like
you know, you're playing Baltimore, it's first and tent. I
think Derek Henry is gonna get the balls Thomas on
the field right like something like that. I just don't
think you can play him in some of those reps
right now. And these other guys, I'm at least willing
to let them try and right now, I don't see
anything that says armson Thomas.
Speaker 1: Can do that. I agree, I think there is limited
upside for our Mason Thomas. So a good group here, uh,
interior defensive line. Like I said, there's three guys on this.
We talked about how we like Caleb Banks, think he
should be probably a first round guy. And what I
have on him is a first round talent that dealt
with injuries and conditioning issues. Obviously you know big, but
the functional strength is crazy and it doesn't mess with
his fluidity. He just moves very well at his size.
When everything goes right, he moves guys back like a sled,
sheds them and delivers a massive hit. Now, he will
get moved even at his size and strength when his
feet gets slow, which will happen because he needs to
get better at conditioning. Broken foot means he did nothing
and will be out until June at the earliest, so
probably gonna push him down to day two. But it
would not be shocking to see someone because as the
old thing goes, it only takes one team to love
this guy. Christian Miller from Georgia's at forty six, really
strong run defender that isn't a threat as a pass rusher.
Yet he really stacks and sheds well, follows a ball
with his eyes in pursuit, but the patient patients and
pursuit rarely works in pass rush snaps because it makes
him look late in pass rush and he gets pushed back.
Lots of injuries, but healthy as a senior as well.
For Christian Miller and then our boy Lee Hunter from
Texas Tech, it feels like people are split on Lee Hunter. Man.
Hunter had great numbers at Texas Tech, but it's like
Miller in the fact that he's a much better run
dye option than a pass rusher. He uses his strength
to shed own line and lived in the backfield the
Organ game. I mean, he just absolutely crushed. That's when
I was like, good lord, we need to where is
Lee Hunter supposed to go? Here? He was awesome constantly
in the backfield in that game, he will get knocked
off balanced because his work is you know, it's natural,
his feet need work. He doesn't win with speed, and
he did get a lot of help at Texas Tech,
but had similar production at UCF as well. So three
interior defensive linemen. We obviously know Banks should go number
one here, but tell us about Banks and what do
you think between Miller and Hunter.
Speaker 2: Caleb Banks is still my top interior defensive lineman. And
it's basically the ceiling of Caleb Banks is higher than
the ceiling of Kaden McDonald. And the floor of Caleb
Banks is that his foot never seems to get better
because he's this massive human being and he's injured and
he's out of the league in three years. The ceiling
of Kleb Banks is he is the six foot six
version of three six foot six, three hundred and twenty
seven pound version of Jalen Carter's. That's the upside with
Caleb Banks. And it's all about like we didn't talk.
I don't think people have realized just how amazing his
combine was on what we learned later was a partially
broken foot, Like just crazy jumping numbers out of player
that size is just insane. Now you mentioned it. He's
got a broken foot. He had a broken foot. He'll
be twenty three at the draft, so he's a little
bit older. But man, there are some reps where and
it's not very many because you said like he missed
most of the year with an injury. It was really LSU.
After he missing the first a couple of years with
a foot injury, he came back and made it to
the third quarter against LSU, And he came back at
the end of the season and played against Tennessee and man,
when he's out there, though it's nothing, looks different, he's
just destroying interior offensive lineman, like moving him back instantly,
instantly starts moving the pilayers back and then if he
gets stopped. He actually for a huge dude like that,
he has counter moves like he will play in the backfield.
He plays tall, but I don't know if there's anthing
to do about that dude six foot six. I don't
know if I can tell you to play much smaller
than that. So the upside of Caleb Banks is just immense.
That's why I still keep him at number one and
if he falls to the second round, like yo, Green Bay,
liket's take advantage of this man, like hey, this move
on guy. That's right, Christian Miller is my number three,
so I actually have him right behind Kate McDonald and
a head of Peter Woods. Even it's I don't know
how they like just breed these guys in Georgia who
are awesome at playing the interior. They just seem to
always have someone like this. He's not even asked to
be on the field a ton at Georgia because they
have so many other good players, but great anchor against
the run, can shed and envelop multiple gaps at one time.
When he gets there, He's not just feeling, he is
looking to actively make a tackle. He's shown that he
plays with the same attitude over an entire length of
the game. I'll say this, he's not great. Like we
talk about how Kleb Banks or Kate mcdal can hold
up against double teams, Christian Miller can get pushed out
of the way with some of the double teams. And
right now, there's not much of a pass rush move.
I mentioned that Caleb Banks has it, it's not it's
maybe a little bit more than Kayden McDonald, but it's
not he's not the same level of run defender at
this point either. He's just he's young. He hasn't shown
a ton on it yet. It's a little bit more
of a projection. But these Georgia defensive linemen, man, they
come out, they're already like, really built. You already know
you got the body. Sachi's there. You can see what
he could be. To me, there's like he looks a
lot like Delvin Thomlinson. That's the one that he looks
like to me, is a strong version of Delvin Tomlinson.
So I like Christian Miller. He's my number three, Peter
Woods is four. Lee Hunter I actually drop into a
new tier. So those other it's Caleb Banks and Kate
McDonald are tier, Christian Miller and Peter Woods are tier,
and Lee Hunter starts my third tier.
Speaker 1: This hurts me to hear you say I'm sorry. I
know it's true, And like I said, I feel like
some people just really don't like him.
Speaker 2: I still like him. I absolutely have him as a
clear day two player with limitations, and it's the limitations
are He's getting there. He's another one. He's getting there.
He is missing too many tackles, right, I think that's it.
Like he's very explosive, But is he explosive because this
is the same defensive line that has David Bailey and
Ramelo Height on it, and he's taking advantage of the
fact that teams aren't really scheming up Lee Hunter at
that early at least early in the season. By the
end of the year, maybe they were. And like he's
one of the most explosive players, like initial steps as
far as interior players. I see like he is working
his way up instantly. But if that doesn't work on
a play, like say he doesn't get the initial rep
it struggles, Right, there's definitely struggles in there, so quick
more so than fast, and not a ton of counters
at this point. Day two should be where he goes.
It's just a little bit of a it's not the
same type of interior defensive lineman. It's like what these
other guys are. He doesn't. He has too many limitations
at this point as far as like tackling, and he
hasn't shown quite as much to me as like when
you watch Christian Miller, you can see, Okay, well, this guy,
he's he's got a much better built body than what
Lee Hunter just looks. Let's stout more so than more
so than like long and some of these other guys
look long. He just looks stout, which is fine, it's good,
but I don't want to spend a top thirty five
pick on Lee Hunter, which and the other ones i'd
find spending that pick on them.
Speaker 1: I agree with that because like at least like Christian Miller,
you get an immediate impact in the run game. So
with Kate McDonald as well, Lee Hunter is kind of
a little more questionable. So but this is why it's
kind of I think the top end is kind of
why it's weak. Right, only three in the second round here,
only three interior guys in the third round as well,
in five more edge rushers. Let's start it with the
edge rusher's number seventy one, denied to Sutton from Penn State.
And he looks like a plug and play type of
pass rusher that gets after the quarterback and goes to
the ball when he can. Strong, has incredible push ability
to move the offensive line and you know, grab and
move him in whatever direction he wants and then drive. However,
he can't when he can't move them he rarely wins
his counters. They need a lot of work, but the
motor is great and he's ready to play on third
down today, number seventy six from LA height. Great pass rusher,
but his size is going to have him drop and
potentially be overlooked. He's two hundred three and nine pounds.
He's fast, really was able to develop a Texas Tech
eleven tackles for lost nine and a half sacks, but
obviously had Lee Hunter and David Bailey also on that line,
so he can be productive. You know, for his size,
he's more instinctual in the run game, and he may
not take he takes too many wide moves to allow
the quarterback to bail out as well, so there's downside.
You know, her big upside, but he may have to
move an inside linebacker, and who knows if he can
actually become a real edge rusher in the league. Eighty
three jos What Joseph said, Tennis a lot of similarities
in height to and wait to Romelo height, but he
probably is a little bit better as a run defender
and a little worse as a pass rusher. He can
win with power, but there might not be much more
to be done about his lightweight and there's no room
for him to get bigger. He could really if there
is room for it to get bigger there he could
have a nice floor, but I'm just not sure. Barham
another guy in this developmental kind of area pass rusher.
Barham could come in and be a strong tweener. He's
the Kmart version of Reese that is still developing counters
and attacks to get to the quarterback, but has shown flashes.
He also has shown some tendencies to bite on fakes.
He will take debate on almost anything, and he is
the dude that headbutted the ref in the Ohio State game,
so you know got to question that decision making. And
I think my favorite player in this group of ed
rusher is Caraon Crawford from Abron Auburn. Love watching him.
He stole some of my Falulk watching right because I
was watching Falknanci who was Crawford over here. Motor motor, motor, motor,
lots of speed makes him relentless danger on every pass nap.
He only started as a senior though, so he is
still developing fundies but offers so much upside. I would
love for the Steelers to take Crawford here for me,
So Crawford, Barham, Joseph's Heit, and Deny Dennis Sutton. Who
do you like out of this group?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean we tend to watch and think alike
when it comes to these players, because Kieran Crawford is
the one that I still have in the last the
last set of players like he is actually number eleven
for me, So he is right behind Zion Young. And
I haven't met a Derek more In or Mason Thomas
as far as players that I like. That's how much
I like Hearan Crawford, and it's developmental. He was at
Arkansas State before transferring to Auburn. But man, there are
some reps where you're like, dude, this guy is an
incredible athlete who moves great in space. Like his ability
of like eat space and just be in the way
is great. The hands are flying all over the place,
he can bend around the edge. There are plays where
he's like instantly in the backfield. I don't know if
he teleports, like you watch it and you're like, man,
how did you get there that quickly?
Speaker 1: That I think that's what caught me with Yah, he is.
Speaker 2: There, yes, and now there's there's issues right He's he's long,
but he's thin, like he needs to get stronger and
right now, there are times when like if they drop
a tight end down on top of a tackle on him,
he gets just absolutely moved out of space. So so
there are questions, but man, there is a lot of
duels to build on on Greeer Crawford. So he is
my favorite. I actually have him in the last tier.
Then it's Joshua Josephs who starts tier. That'd be what
tier five for me, which is like clearly round three
possibly even like moving into day three early. Joshua Josephs
is the top of it. He's just he's just solid.
But like you said, like there are length concerns with
Joshua Josephs, but very side valid going to focus, it's
always hard to do defensive mind minute Tennessee because they're
in and out so much, right they do not stay
on the field.
Speaker 1: It's hard to evaluate Tennessee players that aren't a line I.
Speaker 2: Almost like that's probably my least favorite team to try
to find a Like the offensive, the wide receivers are
wide open half the time, the quarterback never has any
pressure and then on defense, it's like, oh, we say
ant we send in these line shifts at defensive lions,
you get like twenty reps a game out of a guy.
But when he's out there, like the long arms, he
uses it to rip the ball out, explosive off the edge.
He's just he's just small. Like the same things that
we talked about with James Pierce last year at Tennessee.
We could be talking about Joshua Joseph. We just don't
because he's not going in the top you know, we
talked about James Pearce in the top first round. Joshua
Joseph isn't going to go in the first round, right,
But I think he makes an He makes an impact
in the run game, like he makes himself felt out there.
He's just somebody who's probably going to be a situational
pass rusher rather than someone who's an every down player.
After that, I have some other players in between, but
the players you mentioned the next last one to night,
Dennis Sutton, I have at sixteen, which is the same
tear as Joshua Joseph's. This is just the every year
the Penn State finds these awesome athlete guys who sometimes
work out and sometimes they don't. Like Jason Oway, it
was okay, it tour gross mottos not so good, right,
Like they always seem to have these long players who
are pretty good athletes. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.
He should have made more, like I can say it's
about almost anybody. It seems like we talk about from
Penn State, like he should have made more of an impact.
That sure seems like there are plays where you're like, man,
you have you have this player, beat bend, bend your
shoulders down, man, You've got it the edge, and he
just cannot dip his shoulders and down there. So I've
always probably been a bit down on him. I think
his best move would be to just like he should
be someone who adds some weight and moves inside. That
would be the best fit for him. Sixty five two
sixty five Can we put Can I put twenty pounds
on you? And can you become like an explosive interior defender?
Because make him Elijah Kntsey right exactly, Like, I think
that's his best fit right now. He just doesn't really
he looks slow outside and not very bendy out there,
which I don't know. I've always been kind of a
denied that a Sutton downer and I'll eat that one.
And who else we talk about Ramelo Heights, So I've
kind of buried Ramelo Height. He looks real small to me,
man like I are mellow height at twenty two at
the edge, which is clearly into the day three. And
it's just he is someone where when you really start
to watch it, there were reps early in the year
where David Bailey is getting all the hype right and
and Ramelo Heights beating people one on one, but you're like,
you're looking, You're like, okay, are you how are you
beating him? Oh? You're just running around him. And by
the end of the year seems to have figured out, okay, well,
all he can do is try to run around us,
so let's initiate the contact with him, and then good
luck trying to get through. And it just he never
could do it. He's been in college six years, so
he's going to be a twenty five year old rookie.
It's he's just somebody who I don't see how it
translates well.
Speaker 1: To the NFL like this, if it could be like,
you know, third fourth quarter against a tired tackle where
he can just you know, beat him to the PA.
Speaker 2: And I don't want I don't want to spend a
Day two pick on that, right, Like, to me, that's
that's somebody I want around pick like one fifty to
two hundred at most. So I have buried or mellow height.
And did I miss anybody that we talked about.
Speaker 1: Linebacker?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, so he's still he is, like, uh
my number eight linebacker, which is Day two. But that
that's where I settled on him because just had like
he's you mentioned Kmart rvl reas. I said r vl
Reics can play linebacker. Barham's played linebacker too. They've moved
him back and forth, he's spent more time. He transitioned
from linebacker to edgemore this year, but I put him
back at linebackers. I just think that's a better fit
for what he offers. But his team has won an edge. Yeah,
teams like to say the thing as r L reach right, Like,
teams want him to play the edge, So make him
You're probably gonna get him there. But I thought his
linebacker looked better than edge, so I moved him to
line back. And it's his thing is like, I just
think he is so aggressive that like counters, he just
runs completely out of the play, Like he runs himself
out of so many plays that you're like, dude, I
know that you want to tackle, but just just hold
your lane up.
Speaker 1: I feel like I miss that sometimes because I'm like, okay,
that's a bad rap. That's a bad rap. Like I
don't pick up the pattern, but it was clearly noticeable
with Barham, right, So I.
Speaker 2: Like Barham, but but he's to me, he's if I
put him in the edges, he would probably fall and
see her. I can move him quick. He'd be like
one D one, so he'd be ahead of her mellow height,
but he'd be in the day three range rounder edge.
Speaker 1: The third round of these interior defensive linemen is still
only three. I like these three guys though in certain roles,
but it's really the fourth round where you get a
lot of those upside interior defensive linemen. So the guys
on the interior in the third roun number sixty seven
Dominique Orange, Big Citrus similar to run to the run
D defensive lignement we've talked about already in the second round,
except he's a little more dense, more of a nose, tackle,
slash space clogger, long arms, and apparent change in attitude
at Iowa State. I read that in the Beast that
he almost gave up on football. But if if he,
you know, he gave he gave all the credit to
Matt Campbell and everybody at Iowa State for helping him,
you know, reverse that and get a better attitude towards
the game and look more towards that. So the frame
and a new attitude should be nice to mold, but
you just never know with a player like that. He
does have a decently high floor, but if he loses
his passion, that sucks. Number seventy two Grayson Halton from
Oklahoma Guy loved the motor and energy. Seems to bring
a defensive tackle that wins with speed and closes his
fun to watch. He stretches run plays out by getting
pushed back. The thought is his frame might be close
to done, so he might need to stay as a
rotation player if there's no more upside in size on him.
And Daryl Jackson Junior from Florida State crazy size and
length gives him an immediate advantage, but he leans on
his natural size and strength rather than fundamentals, which should
mean there's way more under the surface. The production was weak,
never more than four and a half tackle for loss
or in more than three and a half sacks in
any season. If he doesn't improve, he's just a space clogger.
So I think there's some upside on these guys, you know,
Darryl Jackson, if we get some fundamentals better, Dominic Orange,
if you know, get a little bit of fire under him,
and Grayson Halton, if we can add to this frame.
I just don't know if we get it from any
of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Dominic Orange is my top guy. He's in
the same teariously hunter, which is, like I said, borderline
second round, early third round. I could see him going
in the second round. I have him a little higher
than that, but I did not read the beast that
enough that far in that beast part. Yeah, but one
of the blockers. He's just a massive power profile. That's
what he is, right. His thing is straight power, and
it doesn't always show up with actual production. But the
thing that you notice that I notice, at least when
I watched Dominy orangees he's great for about two and
a half quarters and by the second half. Like he's
a big boy, right, These guys are huge, like, and
you can see it. He's sucking air, right, and so
I'd love to see him be on the field more.
But does that make him less effective? Right? And I
the best the tape that to me shows what the
deficiencies are with Logan, with Dominic Orangear against Iowa. Where
Logan Jones and we talked about briefly last week, is
this two hundred and sixty five ish pounds center is
just getting under him and he can't move him like
Dominic Gornge has probably got one hundred pounds I mean
not one hundred, but a good seventy five pounds on him,
and he can't get under him because he's just he
cannot stay low. And that's the concern that I have
with him is he's Yes, he's big, he's going into
play big. There's not much of a sack option in here.
But I need you to be able to You can't
be getting beat by players that much smart than you, right,
Like I.
Speaker 1: Need at least I need you to at least push.
Speaker 2: The line backwards. I don't need you to make a sack.
I need you to reset the line and he's not
doing it. So I like Dominic Orange, but it's there's
more development there than I thought when like when I
watched him my summer, I was like, that's pretty good,
and then I kind of watched them and I'm like, eh,
he's not quite as good as I thought he was.
Now Grayson Halton I have at seven, So this is
the same players, but we're talking about I think this
is the highest I've ever ranked a sub three hundred
pounds defensive tackle. Okay, because this is just they're not
my they're not my jam. I get it. The league
is going lighter. I look at these smaller defensive linemen
and I'm like, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: But the fear is you turn into a one down player.
You're only in there on obvious passing down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I shouldn't say that because I had a
cladge can't hearing pretty high. But other than him, like
take away him, and I never rank any of these
dudes as high. But there are some wraps from Gray
and Halton and you're like, it's very scheme specific, but man,
he is so effective at getting like pass rushed from
the interior. You don't see a lot of these guys
who can get and just really disrupt from the interior
very often. He's one of the best. They have a
great other defensive back that we'll talk about later, I'm
sure as far as next year. But it's all quickness.
He's ripping out spin moves from the interior the defensive line,
which you never see. There is a limit to what
he does because when he starts getting blocked, he starts
to get off with the blocks. He's just tinier than
most of these guys are, but he's extremely rangy. There
are some plays where they stunt him and ar Mason Thomas,
which is just unfair, Like they're both undersized, but they're
so fast that you have like Armason Thomas is like
attacking a center and Grayson Halton's offside out there on
the tackles that those plays were awesome to see when
they would do some of that stuff. But it's a
very scheme specific player who you want, like you know,
wherever drink Texter Lawrence gets drafted, draft Garson Halton and
dropping Yeah, ye, Lawn, like that's the type of pick
fit that fits best for him. Darryl Jackson, Yeah, I
would love the Packers to take Carrol Jackson. You know,
if Cabe Banks's with all tail, Jackson's my guy. This
is the one I really like to see clogging run lanes.
It's there hasn't been a whole lot of development though,
Like he's been in college a lot longer than these guys.
He's stuck around for four years. And I think if
I had talked about Daryl Jackson last year, we would
have had the same things. It's a lot of power,
kind of a space clogger, not super twitchy, but crazy measurements.
Can can really do things in like a one on
one situation, but when teams throw a double team, Adam,
are you giving me a whole lot? And he's just
not He's just kind of holding up space in there,
which is fine. And I don't think he always tackles
very well. He gets to the ball carry, he just
doesn't always get him on the ground. He's a he's
a very clear like round three player. To me, I
would not I don't want him to go on round two,
like if I talk about the packers here, like, don't
take him around too like, but if he's there in
a round three, you go ahead and you can deaf
Daryl Jackson. I think you're just gonna get a solid player,
but probably never like Grayson Holton is way more upside
just because of a pass rushing that offer that he offers.
Carl Jackson is just gonna be solid for you.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these fourth round players. Now
this is the opposite because we have two edg rushers
here an eight interior defensive linemen that are listed according
to mock Draft database in the fourth round. We'll go
through these quicker since we're already at an hour. But
lt Overton from Alabama. I got him as a three
to four end or push in that might have a
lot more once he develops. And Anthony Lucas great athlete
that should pop off the page, but loses more than
he wins. Sometimes maybe it's because you know he's lated
or has a hard time diagnosing plays. I don't know
what it is, but he just seems a step behind.
Lots of meat on the bone, but not sure if
it will happen. Are these your fourth round ed rushers,
Because in the fifth round, I feel like I like
Maxwell and Caden Curry and the domine Tucker maybe even
more definitely more than Lucas. Maybe not more than Overton.
Speaker 2: So I have Anthony Lucas right behind Joshua josephs and
I had a Denied and a Sutton, so he's actually
in the that tier two. I do like Anthony Lucas
because I think it's just this crazy athlete, Like that's
what you're getting with him. Now, he's one another one
if they just played him at edge right, I don't
know what USC's defense. We'll talk about it in the
defensive backs and we talk about some of their safeties.
I don't know why they just decided to take all
their good players and say play a different position this year,
because it made no sense. But he's basically playing outside linebacker.
But he'd be so good as an edge Man's long
arms allow him to just counter when engage with the blocker,
can get into the backfield with physicality, looks to get
to the inside shoulder, and then they'll pu they're asking
him to dropping a coverage, and I just don't quite
get why they did that. But I do like Anthony Lucas.
Who else we mentioned in this round? LT Overton, So,
Joshua Joseph, Anthony Ucas, Tonight Sutton. You mentioned Max Llewellen's
that finishes out a tier for me, and then lt
Overton is in the following tier another one. He shouldn't
be an edge like, he's not an edge player. He
should be kicked inside like he's to me, this is
like Kmark Keldrick Falk, where Keldrick Falk they ask him
to play inside and he can do it like ELTI
Overton just should play in. He met he makes much
more of an packed in there with his athletic tools.
But at this point, like at the outside, he's just
a hold up player, like he's just standing out there
and eating space, whereas he's not really making a play
into the backfield to me, and I just think that
it's a lot. The NFL team that drafts him should say, you're,
you know, put on ten pounds, get to two ninety five,
your Carl Brooks that you know, I watched the Crackers
right like, That's that's what he should become. To me,
is something like that, And that's somebody I want to
take on Day three rather than in the third round.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't hate him as an end for like a three
or four front, so it could be good there as well.
Any other ed rushers will kind of finish out talking
about Ed rushers Kayden Curry Tucker. Both the Florida guys
are in the six rounds, sapping gums. We have your
boy Mason Rieger down here, who is very good at
the Shrine game, My guy Tray Moore who's just a
little bit undersized. And then we have like you know,
quin Tavius Hutchins, Jeremiah Williams, Logan Fano, Vincent Anthony Junior,
anybody else that you like down here.
Speaker 2: So Max llewell And is the top one we haven't
talked about. He's in that same tier with Joshua Joseph,
Anthony Lucas and Identis Sutton and me. It's just, I mean,
another one like Iwoad just seems to find these players
who are fairly good defensive lineman who can drop into
an NFL scheme, whether it's a three four or four
to three and make an impact six five, two fifty eight.
He's really long, he plays really long. I'm dee Tucker
is right ahead of lt Overton. There was before he
went to the Senior Bowl. I actually had him higher. I
thought he got a little I mean, that's what you
want to see right. This is why these guys go
to the Senior Bowl is can you handle it against
the tougher competition. And I thought he struggled a little
bit more in that competition than I was hoping to see,
so I dropped him down. Otherwise I had him up
in like the same range. Just ares me too, man.
Speaker 1: I had him so I think I watched him a
lot in maction. Oh god, this Tucker guy's pretty good,
you know. I think he's somebody good. And then you're right,
the Senior Bowl is kind of like, well, maybe it
was level competition there, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: We still on him. Mason Rieger, you mentioned him, he's
right low LTI overten. I don't know how you say it.
Is it Najaque Kelly the other UCF edge rushers, right, yeah,
I think it's Nag Kelly the other UCF edge rusher
six five two sixty five? So that's the same Malecki.
Lawrence gets all the highlights. I like the Nagi Kelly
guy too, though, man like he's long off.
Speaker 1: Rules on that line too. You see, have had a
pretty good line. Yeah, good for the man. We love it.
Speaker 2: And Kadan Curry you mentioned Terry Sap Terry Sapp six
three two seventy two. Another one where he's a good
run defender right now. He just doesn't offer nearly enough
as a pass rush player at this point. But uh,
I think those are pretty much the main ones that
we need to talk about.
Speaker 1: The fourth round interior defensive lineman. I mean, there's so
many of them. Kaylen Proctor from Southeast Louisiana's at one
twelve small front interior defensive guy. Uh, He's an awesome athlete,
needs to add a little muscle, develop a little more,
not a long shot, be longer than some others. High
floor or high ceiling slash low floor player with fixable issues.
Chris McClellan from Missouri one sixteen high floor with an
interesting ceiling. McLean is at worst a space clogger that
will occasionally put pressure up the middle. But he got
better each year and if he keeps growing in the NFL,
I really feel like this guy's a limit for christmain Cleon.
I like him a lot now. Xavi and Harris from Ole,
miss kalais campbell upside massive frames six seven three thirty,
but he's top heavy and upright, he lacks fundamentals because
of his conditioning plus an ugly DV arrest a dui
arras plus surgery after the combine. I mean that's gonna
drop him probably the fifth or sixth round. Dante Corleon
very strong space clogger that can overwhelm when he gets singled,
but has very little, very little lateral movement ability, weight
issues issues, and injuries like I want to put him
in with Orange big titest there, but he's just he's
too hurt and he doesn't move as well. Ray Shawn
Benny might not be ready to contribute this year at
number one thirty four, but he he needs to add
size veelp counters if he can stay on the field.
He offers more upside than the space cloggers, but should
go to a team that doesn't have to play him
at all in Week one. Zane Durant from Penn State
another upside player that has shown a lot of flashes.
Playing with some really strong players at PSU squat build
gives him leverage that he pairs with power, and he's
still light for an interior guy and can get pushed
off a spot sometimes. Demonte kpe part I feel like
from evaluators is so much higher more upside than most
of the IDLs here, but more downside as well. Great
athlete and size with size and wingspan, he gets rigid
though he doesn't use counters well for flashes of such
heavy hands. He battled injuries and had an arrest for
a firearm on campus. And then Tim Keenan, the third
from Alabama, might be the most pro ready of any
of these guys in this round that we've talked about,
but his upside I think is more limited than the
rest of the guys here. Team Captain's strong ability to
follow the running down the line at his weight, but
short arms limit his moves, size limits his speed and range.
So that's the group of interior defensive lineman. There's only
two in the fifth. It's Nick Barrett from South Carolina,
who I also like, and then Tyler onied him from
A and M who got Albert Regis. I know a
lot of people really like from A and M. At
one ninety four, Landon Robinson's undersize from Navy, and then Campbell.
You liked a little bit of Bryce and Easton from
what we saw from the Senior Bowl. Jordan Vandenburg flashed
a lot when watching Georgia Tech, so who do you
like out of this big group of interior defensive linemen here, top.
Speaker 2: One I have from the players you mentioned is Chris mcclellen.
He's actually had a Daryl Jackson junior for me, so
he is right between Grayson Halton and Darryl Jackson, which
makes up that's a tier, right, That's my third tier,
which is like basically round three. You said it like
Chris mccleown's getting better all of the time, and it
shows up like you watch him this year and you're like,
I just admit, I didn't not have anything like Chris
mclonell ond of the year. I didn't expect him to
get drafted at all. And by the end of the year,
I've got stuff in here, like very impressive hold up
ability in the run game. He's going to be one
of the guys I really like. They try to pull
a tight end on, I mean, just removes him from
the play. Great leverage player, a big time rip move.
He is looking to initiate contact. He just needs more
of a counter move when the pull rush doesn't really work.
And he can also lose gap containment because he's looking
to jump gaps. It's a kind of a different defensive
line type of approach, but it works really well with him.
So he's my top one that right after Darryl Jackson.
So this would be the end of my tenth interior
player is Xavian Harris. And you mentioned all the off
field stuff. I don't even know how to score that.
Like there are teams that will not even put him
on their board, I'm sure, or there are teams that
won't even consider him. But then there are teams that
are gonna say, you know, hopefully they'll do all their
vetting that they need to and then they'll be like, wait,
you're six to seven, how big are you? And you
move like this because you can look at him and
you can say, like you can Rieman something like what
the big guy out of Kentucky Dion Walker? Oh yeah,
if you can dream on something like that. There, he's
just a player of his side who can move extremely well.
And I would say for a player that that's that big,
like he doesn't lose gas by the end of the game,
Like I'd feel like he goes pretty strong into the
fourth quarter. And there's a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: Some kicks too, yep, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Two block kicks is here because he's just six seven, man.
Speaker 1: Like, that's play is Campbell?
Speaker 2: You said plays Campbell? I said, Dean Walker whatever, Like,
there are just not very many players that are that
size who can do what he can do. But the
offield stuff sucks. Uh. I actually have Tyler on Yetam
right after his Avian Harris, which is twelve there, undersized
Cayler Proctor's right behind him. I'll just lump those two together.
They are both really undersized. Caler Practor seems to be
getting a lot of hype. Heer at the very end
of the draft season or a draft cycle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't think I watched a lot of
him until he moved into the one hundreds because he
was like a two way guy on mock draft database
for a long time and then he just jumped to
one twelve. I was like, Okay, I guess I need
to see Caleb Proctor here.
Speaker 2: So I watched the LSU game, right. They played LSU
this year, So I think it's a Louisiana did because
it's so hard to find film on these FCS level prospects.
But like, even against LSU, he's splitting double teams. He
got two sacks in that game, including one on a
twist which showed some pretty good lateral ability. Doesn't have
a ton of excess other than those couple of sacks,
but it was good. I mean, he's undersized. You mentioned
when we were talking about just team fits, right J. J.
Pageeze earlier. That's that's who reminds me of from last year,
who's kind of an undersized defensive lineman. Right after him,
I had my boy. He mentioned Bryce and Easton. I
don't know. I just I think he's good. But again,
it's a Tennessee defensive tackle who's going in and out
and playing thirty snaps a game. But when I see him,
I think he's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Well good at the Senior Bawl, right, Like that's what
you want to see if you don't see enough snaps
during the regular season. His strong performance at the Senior
Bowl and he had that. So I think he's gonna surprise,
Like I think people are gonna say he's boordline draftable.
I think he's going to go like end a round
four early round five.
Speaker 2: That's where I That's exactly where I have him and
the other one that I have in that same range
or Elbert Regis and you mentioned Nick Barrett. Nick Barrett
is also he is my fifteenth defensive lineman, which is
like border line round four, round five if you need
a throwback nose tackle, like just to eat space and
he's not going to make a ton of plays like
I have the comparison of Danny Shelton, who is for
a long time just.
Speaker 1: A big Seahampton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big guys who is surprisingly good at pursuing the ball,
but can just eat space and is going to take
multiple defenders to get to your linebackers. That is what
Nick Barrett offers, and he's really good at it. Behind him,
you mentioned Kate Part and Dante Corleone. I have them
at sixteen and seventeen. I want to like, Doantay kay
Part has you like a ton of upside. It's all
in there, but there's just so little production, Like this
entire Clemson team, there's just so little. You watch him
and you're like, okay, you have a one on one
rep beer because Peter Woods is getting the double team.
Why are you not beating this? And instead he'll just
get stalled and just stalled and then he'll eventually you'll
see some reps it's like if you just watch the
ten best plays of demonte K part yes, yeah, top
ten play, Like you could say he is certainly in
the top ten at defensive line and it should be
a definite top one hunderd pick.
Speaker 1: But then he want to learn how to use those
weapons better. His hands are so heavy, man heavy heavy hands.
He really gets pushed. But he needs to learn how
to you know, the counters. He needs to work on
that a lot.
Speaker 2: And then like six seasons at Clemson and he played
a total of eight hundred and thirty eight snaps. Eight
hundred snaps in six years. Man, Like that's crazy how
little he's actually on the field. And if so, you
should be fresh when you're out there. You better be fresh.
You better be giving the impact blaze. And he just
doesn't do it often enough, dont corleone. His thing is
I have some concerns about like, so he had the
blood clots the year before, right, Yeah, I don't that
teams are gonna want to answer that. And he's got
some weird measurables to the point where it's kind of
like poona Ford, which which is an odd body shape
which can be successful, but it's not always it's hard
to be successful at that size. Tim Keenan's right below
that you mentioned like a safe floor player. I think
he's a safe floor player. I have Zaye Durant, then
small Adon Robinson and Robinson I can't believe to get
invited to the combine. That's like the most ridiculous strange
not ever, because he would have dominated at the combine
didn't get invited there. He will get picked. I'm not
at all worried that he's going to get picked. He's
just extremely small. I think you pretty much nailed everybody
else that we have to talk about here.
Speaker 1: Next year's class just real quick looking at this, I
mean we have Colin Simmons and Dylan Stewart inside the
top ten here, like, uh so those two guys you're
gonna want to watch a lot of at edge. You
have some borderline first rount guys right now, like I
like Kenyata Jackson, Matteil, you know you young gal a Ouilan.
Speaker 2: How he got it back? You got it?
Speaker 1: My god, it a while.
Speaker 2: He didn't think you'd have to say it. Ndya.
Speaker 1: I was hoping. Elijah Rushing also on that line. Very good,
Damon Wilson junior from Miami much easier for me to say.
But the interior of the defensive line, man, we got
three guys inside the top fifteen. Jordan Ross from LSU
so much fun to watch, David Stone from Oklahoma I'm
more a Washington, big, big dude from Oregon. Jane Jackson
from Oklahoma State is at nineteen, and we have Justin
Scott from Miami murd Watson from Texas, all inside the
top twenty six. So top heavy on the interior, but
two premier edge rushers in Colin Simmons Dylan Swort that
might be picked in the top five picks. So very
good class coming in along the defensive line.
Speaker 2: It looks like, yeah, and I said, we don't always
like to look a year ahead, but I can't as
good as I think that David Bailey will be. I'm
fairly confident based off of and I haven't done anything
like formal on these guys that Dylan Stewart and Colin
Simmons would have been ahead of him, just watching them
with the eye test some of the things that they
can do, or just that's the that's the Chase Young,
that's the Bosas, that's Mika Parsons, the really really top
end Ad Drushers. I had Mateo will Alcola le like
he went back late. I had him with the first
round grade this year. I think he was about like seven.
He was right in that range. I really like Quincy
Roads is a super long defensive lineman who I thought
he started the year awesome and I thought he was
going to come out and then he got I don't
remember if he got hurt or he just slowed down.
Booba Cartre Ray's got a six spin move like it
is awesome. Yeah, he's the one I think it was.
He was the one who got Francisco Mawa NOA in
the very first game when they played Miami with that
spin move. Antosanka. I've had a scouting report in Anto
Senka for at least the last two cycles when he
was at Northwestern. Now he's doing the thing that it
seems every defensive lineman does, which is transferred to Texas
A and M for their last year for whatever reason.
That's the spot where they're all like, we're gonna go there.
Speaker 1: Pretty a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have a lot of money, that's true.
It worked well for David Bailey Man good luck for you.
Anto Sank could be this year's Princeivilleumn Mellen. He was
Prince Lee and Mining millions brother and also just ranking
a transfer to LSU. And then for the interior guys.
I mentioned it under Grace and Halton that he's good.
The thing is, when you're watching him, you're like, wow, wait,
who's this guy next to him? David Stone is a
machine like. He looks like a truly dominant interior player
that we haven't seen in a while. We talk about
that we're not going to have any and probably the
top half of the first round this year. David Stone
looks like a top half of the first round defensive tackled.
To me, I have not done Jordan Ross enough yet,
Amari Washington and Barry Alexander. I did because Oregon I
got all these convinced all these guys to go back
to school, which is awesome, good for them. But I
thought Amury Washington was going to go out this year too,
and he would have been hunter.
Speaker 1: He yeah, I mean he might have been. After the testing,
he might have been real high.
Speaker 2: Those guys are really good. I actually did Anthony Smith
too because I thought he was gonna go out this year.
I didn't even realize until like a week and a
half ago that he had went back, but he was.
Speaker 1: We just got on Heinikey to go back like last week, right.
Speaker 2: Imagine like imagine that you've done all this scouting on
one Heineke and you're like, we're getting ready to draft
him and you're like, oh no, he's going back so
to way to really speed up the process and that one.
But yeah, he's going back to Oklahoma too. So Barre
Alexander has been in college for seemingly ever and has
been at Georgia and USC and Oregon. It just keeps
chasing the bag and doesn't always show up to play.
But there are also some really there are some really
fun reps that he's kind of like de monte Ca
part where if you just watch a highlight, you're like, man, yeah, dude, wow,
where did he come from? And then you're like, oh wait,
he only shows up for like three plays a game
and the rest of the time he kind of takes
the plays off. But yeah, man, next year, next year
as good as this year is, and I do not
want to like short change this year. I think there
are some very good defensive line players in this class.
I think if your team takes takes them, especially the
interior players on day two. I think there's a lot
of really good ones in the top that are going
to go in the top one fifty. But next year, man,
are gonna be some really high end ones.
Speaker 1: I think the ugliness of this class is not going
to come from the players necessarily. It's gonna come from
where they go right, because it's gonna be like, oh, man,
you could have had Crawford who developed into a great
pass rusher, but you took Romelo Height instead and he
did nothing right. Like I think that is gonna be
the issue within this classes. You're gonna have some of
these guys that are kind of lotto tickets hit and
some of them miss, and it's just gonna make the
misses look extra bad because those guys that hit hit
so well. So but that is it for the UH
for the entire defensive line. We'll be back to talking
linebackers much shorter show tomorrow, and then defensive backs is
another long one, so stick with us. We will have
all your positional breakdowns ahead of the twenty twenty six
NFL Draft at Boglin Sports. For me at cop I
EPs for ck ck. What's coming up this week for you.
Speaker 2: I'll have some baseball stuff that I am looking forward
to hanging up with my guy Scott Bagman during at
least part of the first round of the NFL Draft.
I have some other stuff I might have to do,
but I will be there for sure with you and
Day two as well. Day three. I can oftend this year.
Speaker 1: Day two. I don't know if I can attend now
because FP wants me to do the entire third round
in the beginning of the second round, so I may
I may have to skip the stream for the second round,
but we'll definitely be back for Day three at least
to talk about what's happening and kind of give you
a preview of how we see these guys laying out
in terms of redrafts and dynasty and all that good stuff,
you know, depending on where they land. But yeah, just
I mean, for me, it's all draft this week. Obviously,
I have a couple of baseball pods with well she there,
but I will be all on NFL stuff this week.
Check out check me out on the fpeat stream both days.
But I will be here Day one as well, and
we'll have cee knes avire so lots to go over
and that will be it for us for now, but
we will see you guys tomorrow. Take it easy, everybody,