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talking about the defensive line prospects. I told you we'd

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get every position. We're gonna cut it close here, but

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we're getting all of them defensive linemen here today, linebackers tomorrow.

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C K. We know that this isn't the best class

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for everything, but there are some top end edge thrushers here.

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There's some pretty good interior defenders as well. More kind

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of in the mid rounds on the interior guys and

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up at the very tippy top. But the edge class

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is very good, so I feel like it's a decent class.

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If you need edge depth, you need a big time

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premiere edge rusher, you can pick up at the top

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interior defensive line. You're looking for more rotation. There's a

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lot of upside play on the interior defensive line, and

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like the early one hundred picks, somewhere around there, probably

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more so upside than there is in the edge. But

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there are some decent edge players here as well. So

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not as deep as other classes, but a pretty good

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class I feel like on the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good defensive line class. I definitely

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like the edges more than the interior players. But like

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you said, that doesn't mean, you know, I have ten

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interior players that I think should go in the first

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hundred picks of this draft or around there. I don't

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know if they'll actually all go there, but that's pretty

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high and so I mean, if you told me there

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was twenty players along the defensive line at least taken

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in the first two days of the draft, yeah, I

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think that's pretty possible. So a fifth of the picks.

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That shows you where the strength of the class lies.

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And it's it's kind of like the like you said,

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I don't know how many dominant truly, you know, Chase Young,

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Joey Bosa, and Nick Bosa, those real high end. We'll

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get some really early to edge players. I don't know

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if we'll get a lot of that, but we're gonna

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get a lot of players in picks like twenty to sixty.

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I think probably gonna be tackled the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean recent Bayley are gonna go very high.

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Rubyen Bain should go high, but we'll see what his

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off the field stuff does to him. And then yeah,

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like you said, probably later in the first round, and

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then lots Day two and a lot Day three as well.

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So let's dive in to some of these team needs.

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First to start, We're gonna go edge and then interior

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defensive line on these since we're hitting the two positions

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really today. And the teams that I have with big

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edge needs Cincinnati, Miami, the Jets, the Chiefs, the Bucks,

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the Cardinals, and Washington. I have a couple other teams

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that need impact and rotation, the Chargers, the Pats, the Eagles,

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the Saints, the Bears, and the Falcons. I have a

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different kind of broken down section for the last two.

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I had just needs rotation, edge depth. So these teams,

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because every every team needs step Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Houston, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Denver, Vegas, Minnesota, Seattle.

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team that have a stud and have nothing behind him.

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I mean for your Packers c K, it's Micah Parsons,

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Luca van Ness and then Baron Serell Cleveland. It goes

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from Miles Garrett to Alex Right. Baltimore did sign Trey Hendrickson,

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but Tavius Robinson is a backup. You have Jalen Phillips

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and nobody. You have Aiden Hudginson and nobody, Nick Bosa

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and nobody. So there are a lot of these teams.

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which are the ones that you're looking at, and you say, look,

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one edge rusher that can start for your team.

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Speaker 2: Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay's got the worst edge group in

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the league, I think, And it's I like, yay, idea

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they still need more. He's he was basically a you know,

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resurgence there. We'll see if getting out of New England,

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if He's can keep maintaining that play or not. But

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Lari Jordan Birch. I mean there is that's a nice rotation,

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going to get after the quarterback. I think you're right

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Fau and Ethan Downs for Kansas City, but they don't

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but he's older anyway, maybe he just figured it out.

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since he like for since he they're not only going

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take a step up, Bosky maybe somebody. But boy, Mafey

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is great. That's a good signing for them, But you

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left Trey Hendrickson walk who was better than Mafey. And

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Who do you think needs the most out of these?

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Speaker 2: It's probably the Bears. Montes sweats getting up there looked

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a little less last year. Anyways, Dyoad Denebo, that signing

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has not really worked out. I know they still have.

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that's about at this point. He hasn't really shown a

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whole lot. So it's probably the Bears, I would say,

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need the most impact there, and then the Chargers need

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to just need to start getting a plan. Khalil Mack

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with some of these really top end players, he'll be

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good until your retires, but is that after this year?

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Polo two is taking advantage of the fact that Khalil

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max on the field. That that's what it is is

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he gets all the easy you know, to the blocking

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a three sack game where it's a four sack game.

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a main pass rusher across from to a Polotu. Whenever

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Speaker 1: Jomo, but nobody behind him.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing is, it's just the top guys are fine,

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there's just not enough depth there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think New England like losing Chase on

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Harold Landry did not play up to contract at all,

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has been awesome as well, But Nolan Smith also has

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a scary injury history, so like, if anything happens to him,

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depth just in case anything happens to Nolan. Jones. Have

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a stud but need another and depth obviously. I don't

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think you could push back on these. This is the Niners, Lions, Panthers, Ravens,

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Browns and Packers. Maybe a little bit on the Browns

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because Alex Wright played better, but I mean, when Miles

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course you should be pretty good. On the other side.

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like the Packers depth, but they need somebody else because

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he is not healthy, and you know, he's still gonna

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be great when he comes back, but he's gonna lose

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a little, because losing a little for a guy that

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that's good is a lot. So what are your thoughts

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Speaker 2: I think I would push back on on the Niners.

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I might move them even up. I'm not sure Nick

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bost is a stud anymore.

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Speaker 2: Like, I think he's a stud when he's on the field.

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games play, that's skill we're talking about. When is it ben?

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a full seasonhere he missed almost the entire year. And

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so when he's on the field, yeah, stud. But I

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this point between Nick Boasts and some of the players

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above him, because he's just not been on the field

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enough for them. And I know they drafted Mikel Williams

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early last year. It was a little surprising and it

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didn't really work out. What Mikel Williams needs is a

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stud across from him to be the two. But I

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have a stud and then Mikel Williams can develop with that.

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of trickles down. So Nick Williams, nick Bosa great, just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Niners might have the worst defensive

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line issues in the league. So we'll get to them

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on the interior. They're gonna They're gonna be at the forefront.

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what I'm saying in just rotation? We have Seattle, Minnesota, Vegas, Denver, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Houston, Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: Those are some really good defensive lines. First Off, congratulations

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to will Anderson for getting the bag for Houston keeping

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that together. Yeah, did fifty get in the absolute bag

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and well deserved. One of the best aad russers in league.

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Speaker 1: I think he'd be like good in that two polo two, right,

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I put a stud on the other side and then

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Speaker 2: Is Bradley Chubb a studd? I don't think so. So

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your team's got a great defensive line. They've had it

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for years. This is why Denvers. This is part of

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the reason Denver's defense is so successful is that their

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the Canto there and Jonathan Cooper and plays like that.

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Speaker 1: Man, interior defensive line big needs. I have the Niners

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That was huge because before that it was Alfred Collins,

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Sebastian Valdez, CJ. West, and Evan Anderson. That is the rotation.

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I mean maybe Freddie Collins, you know, takes a step

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up and can be better. That's my boy. Hook them

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let's go. I like a DIGGI zoo wah. But they

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of your boy, McKinley Jackson. I have the Chargers in

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what's gonna happen there? And Philly I have because it's

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Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter and again they only have two

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other guys on the roster, it's Byron Young and Ty Robinson.

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you know, Jordan Davis on this roster where you know

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he is, he's man mountain, He's a beast, but obviously

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not gonna be able to stay on the field. Who

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which is the one that sticks out the most of

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you or are all of them pretty desperate?

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Speaker 2: You need to nail San Francisco, right, it's it's the

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worst in the league, and helping getting Diggers well helps,

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but it's still bad. I mean, you mentioned Michael McKinley Jackson.

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I also like Chris Jenkins. I wish they were better

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for since then, but they have not shown anything. So yeah,

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we got to keep them. I mean, we got to

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talk about them. It's improving because I've been wrong and

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they have not been very good. Jamori Caldwell was a

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Day three pick last year. If I remember it, maybe

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it was late day two that he got picked by

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the Chargers, and now he's the starting interior player. I

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kind of liked him for what he was, but I

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expect I didn't expect him to be the main player

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in the rotation for the Chargers. We liked him for

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what he was, but that's not what he's being asked

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to do. Vegas is bad, and Vegas is real bad bad.

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Speaker 1: Us too, like get that interior in the whole line

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will work well together the Giants.

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Speaker 2: It all just depends that Dexter. Do you think Dexter

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Lawrence starts the years to remember the Giants.

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Speaker 1: I think he gets traded during the drafts.

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Speaker 2: I think, do you have a team, because I have

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a team Vegas. They I was gonna say lost, I

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was gonna say the Chargers. So we're kind of in

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the same same mold yeers. Yeah, just sticking to these

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big teams that need the interior players here. But yeah,

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I don't I don't think he makes it as a

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member of the Giants, which then moves them. I mean

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without him there, it is disgustingly had. Right now, if

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you take extra lawrence off the Giants, that becomes like.

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Speaker 1: They might put an edge in there. I mean it's tough.

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Speaker 2: Their rotation at edge is amazing, right, but man, at

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the terier that's terrible. They'd have to really consider hitting

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that early and often. And then Philadelphia two of the

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best tackles in the league. But there's just nothing behind him,

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like you said, So that's something that take advantage of

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the depth of this class, right. I just said that

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we have all these players that we like, you know,

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fourteen to fifteen defensive linemen that I actually like, take

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a couple of them here and just build your depth.

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And Philly is usually really good at that, so I

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would expect them to target that in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So I just went and looked. Twenty eight million is

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what Dexter Lawrence's contract is. There are only a handful

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of teams that could afford to even take him on.

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Of course you can adjust this, but teams with that

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amount and a little more left the Ravens, the Niners,

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who definitely have a need, the Seahawks, Eagles, Patriots, Jets, Cardinals, Chargers, Commanders,

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and Titans. I think those top two teams, Commanders and

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Titans be in play. I think the forty nine ers

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as well should do what they could to get dexa

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launce if they possibly can't. I don't have a lot

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of separation outside of that and the rest of the teams.

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I have need interior defensive line help. Miami, the Jets, Baltimore, Cleveland, Houston, Indy, Jacksonville,

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Kansas City, and Minnesota. I think the rest of the

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teams are pretty much okay. So I didn't list everybody here,

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But what are your thoughts on these teams? Am? I am,

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I you know a little too, Pollyanna, on any of

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these teams. Do some of these teams in a little more.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Miami for not being in the lowest

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level on one of these spots. I think this might

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be like the first one. We are up a level here.

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Speaker 1: They spent on last year and they said Seeler and

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Jordan Phillips is not bad. So you know they they're

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not done. They need to add, but they're not the

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worst in the league at the interior.

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Speaker 2: There we go. We found a spot for Miami. Do

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we ever get an update on matasl for Baltimore? Do

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we ever get an update?

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be okay. Yeah, I think he's

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gon to be all right, but it is it's a

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spinal thing, yep. So you know, behind him, they do

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have Travis Jones Broderick Washington who are good, but it's

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real ugly behind those three, so matta beequick goes down.

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That was, you know, part of the issue that they

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had last year that ain't coupled with no edge help.

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I mean, Hendrickson should help out a lot, but they

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still need stuff there.

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Speaker 2: If they can get him healthy, that's a huge that'll

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be a huge part of helping their team. I remember

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it was like a spinal thing too, so I was

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wondering if we ever got an update on that. Hopefully

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he's good to go. We want to see that Jacksonville's

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got Jacksonville just made a trade, right, so you must

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have worked on this before this. So we got a

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rural role in here for Mason Smith, which is I

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saw you put it in the group me room there.

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It's just an odd trade, which I completely agree with.

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Two interior players who I'm not really sure either one

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of them matters.

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Speaker 1: They were picked like ten spots away in the twenty

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twenty four.

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Speaker 2: We're just going to try to like the classic, We're

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gonna give you a new location to see if we

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can get something out of you, because neither one has

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really developed into the way that they hoped for Minnesota.

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I think Minnesota could use a little bit more because

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Jalen Redmond's good. I believe ar Rodriguez is good. But

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they lost a hard grave to the packers here, so

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maybe a they might have moved them up a level

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to not big needs, but a bigger need than some

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of these other teams that you have downlisted here.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking just for context here. Let's see good news

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message in twenty twenty six for Mattabeakway has been seen

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working in videos Ravens strector strengthened conditioning. Scott Ela confirmed

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on April eighth, and Mattabeakway's in great shape and working hard.

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In March, they said it was too early for clarity

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for his you know, for them to say that he

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is good. But I think we'll know right because if

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the Ravens take an interior defensive lineman early in the draft,

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will be like, well, that must mean they're not counting

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on matabak Way at all. So because that if Mattabeakway

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is out, You're right, that would become a massive need

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for them. So interesting here, anybody else that I didn't

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list you think needs help on the interior defensive line here?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm a Green Bay fan around here.

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I think they could use it. That's just a team

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that I've seen get ran on, specifically once the Fonte

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why I got hurt last year. Teams just gashed them

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up the middle. So I think they just need more

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depth and hopefully they get that in the draft. I

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think that's something they have no first round pick with

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Michael Parsons. I'll take Michael Parsons over a first round pick,

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but hopefully on Day two of the draft. I think

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an interior player is very much play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that is like maybe the one position

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where I'm like, all right, Pittsburgh, this is what we

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don't need right now.

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Speaker 2: Now, you guys, it was it last year when you

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hammered it with Derek Carman. And who's the other one

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that you guys dressing? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Black? Yeah, my boy?

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Speaker 2: How can I forget.

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Speaker 1: Benton cam Hayward yaha?

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Speaker 2: Black?

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Speaker 1: Then Oto Miwo was good as well, and Logan Lee

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so good on the interior here for sure. Let's talk

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about the first round prospects along the defensive line. We're

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gonna start with the edge rushers and then go to

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the interior in each of these rounds. First round at

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number two is rvel Rees unlimited upside to being an

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edge thrusher, but also an awesome inside linebacker. Will probably

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be a bit of a twinner, but projects best at edge.

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So fast and strong. We needs to work on counter

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moves and adding mass to get to his peak. For

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David Bailey from Texas Tech, he's in number three. I

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have him really really good at combining his strength and speed.

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Bull rush is incredible and feels like he could hip

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toss any offensive lineman when he gets his arm extended.

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Still needs to work on defending on the run. Game

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only started for one season, motor wanes and he can't

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get pushed off the spot. He also had that fight

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with a camera guy after the ASU game, so I

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know teams were worried about that. Ruben Bain at number

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eight from Miami's short arms, but he's built, dense, incredible

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body control, strong hands. Was the best edge player in

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the nation in twenty twenty five high motor, high IQ,

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but doesn't have a great first step. He whiffs on

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tackles on occasion. He had a slight injury history and

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apparently a car accident where someone passed away a long

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time ago, like three like three years ago, not so

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not a crazy long time ago. But he wasn't he

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not a d Why he was not drunk. This was

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a true accident that happened. So but that came about

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into the public knowledge a little bit later than it

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should out. So let's start with those three, because we

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do have four more edge rushers that are supposed to

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go in the first round, but these are the three

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within the top ten. Who do you like more between

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Recent Bailey?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still have Recent number one. I've I moved

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him for a long time. I had him at linebacker.

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I did move him eventually to the edge because I

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think that's probably his best fit. But he would be

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a really good linebacker too. He can cover. He's actually

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a very good cover player. But it's the value of

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an edge player who can do what he does is

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so much higher than what a linebacker is, you know.

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I think if you just focused on the edge, he's

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basically a Jered Versa like player out there. Just forkliffs

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players out of his way, plays through balance. He's completely

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in contact at all times, not afraid to take on

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any players at all. Like and run defense, He's all

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over it, changes directions awesomely. The knocks. If there's some

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knocks on him, it would be because he is kind

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of going back and forth between the edge and linebacker's

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play action got him a few times, right, he's not

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his eyes are caught in the backfield. He's only played

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fewer than a thousand snaps. But I didn't even watch R.

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L Ree lastummer, and I did some of the stuff early.

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But then my very first note that came out against

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your team and it's like, where did they find this guy?

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Like they have just another freaky athlete on the defensive

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line and it never stopped and by the end of

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the year it was I'm not sure. I mean the

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comparison everyon wants to make his Mica Parsons, right, I'm

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not going to put that on him, but I think

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it's another Packer. I think it's Edrean Cooper who they

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play at linebacker but can drop down, can get into

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the backfield if he needs to. He can play us

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an edge player, and he's a really good player. And

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that's kind of what I see when I see R. L. Reese.

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I think he goes certainly in the top five picks.

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He could go as the early at two overall and

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that should not be surprising.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Bailey? Should he be this

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high in the top five?

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Speaker 2: So I have David Bailey just this a tier all

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by himself. So it's a tier of one and then

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another tier of one, because yes, he should also go

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in the top five. Bailey's thing is just relentless motor

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that pairs with awesome athleticism. Because sometimes you see guys

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who have great athleticism, but they kind of dog it.

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Sometimes you get guys who have a great motor, but

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they're not the athlete that David Bailey is. David Bailey

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just moves, explosive athlete who just gets by people instantly,

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plays right through bodies like he will lower and just

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try to start working you back, and then once you

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start to get ready to absorb that, then he just

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dips and goes around you on the outside. They ask

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him to drop another one, they'll ask him to drop

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into space. It's not exactly the way I would use him,

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but he's a good tackler in space. He doesn't miss

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a lot of tackles. High Lea's a lot of strength,

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shows up to play all the time. If there's again,

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if there's some knocks on him. I think he's a

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little tight, right. I think he doesn't quite bend as

469
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,599
much as like Rvell Reese is a little more linear

470
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,920
as a mover than he is. You mentioned some of

471
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,720
the off field stuff the fight with Arizona, states reporter

472
00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:03,480
guy after the game, and I think it might just

473
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:08,599
be like he doesn't always understand he doesn't always keep

474
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,519
his rush lane right. He's so aggressive trying to get

475
00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:12,279
to the ball that sometimes he just completely runs himself

476
00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:14,000
out of a play. But I would rather have you

477
00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:16,880
be overly aggressive than Timoth too, So that's it's one

478
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,079
or the other. But again, yeah, David Bailey if I

479
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,880
just tennessee it as four if you don't take the

480
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,559
running back, I think David Bailey makes a lot of

481
00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:25,359
sense just because you can only have you know, so

482
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,559
many dominant pass rushers on that team. Jermaine Johnson him

483
00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:29,119
on one side, that would be a heck of a start.

484
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,759
But David Bailey should be another top five player.

485
00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:35,839
Speaker 1: Rubin Bain, is he is he in your top ten?

486
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 2: He is number seven, so yes he is. He is

487
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:41,960
the start. Now this is not a tier of one.

488
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,599
He starts a tier of about those are six in

489
00:22:44,599 --> 00:22:48,240
this tier and it's not necessary. I don't know. The

490
00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:50,079
short arms are what they are, right, He had the

491
00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:51,720
short arms in college. And this is a guy who

492
00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:54,799
had nine and a half sacks last year, has made

493
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,079
fifteen and a half tackles for loss. He's been a

494
00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,839
sack machine his entire career. So I don't Yes, it's

495
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,839
not great. I don't love that he has short arms,

496
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,880
but it is what it is, and I've seen him

497
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,880
be dominant at the college level, and so I'm gonna

498
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,319
go off the fact that I've seen him do it.

499
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,119
His ability to chase down plays is just ridiculous. Like

500
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,440
you see him running down screen passes to the sideline.

501
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,839
You see him chasing down the ball twenty yards downfield,

502
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,319
controls the point of attack as a run defender for

503
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,200
a guy who supposedly for a guy who supposedly like

504
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,880
short armed, they don't move him and run defense, he

505
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,880
just sits in anchors and you can't move him. He's

506
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,359
very good in run defense. The leverage he's short, right,

507
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,200
he uses the leverage. He gets under bodies and he

508
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,279
moves them back again if I had to knock on him.

509
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,519
There are times when longer tackles will make it hard

510
00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:43,240
for him because he doesn't have a long of arms.

511
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,200
So yes, he's gonna have to go a longer distance.

512
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,519
But with his relentless pursuit to do that, it's not

513
00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,400
like he's quitting on the play midway through it. I've

514
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,720
never seen him put on a play. I don't think

515
00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:54,359
he'll ever qut on a play in his life. He

516
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,640
just is an absolute machine out there. He misses some

517
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,839
tackles because his arms are short, right, he misses some,

518
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,559
but he's in the backfield constantly. He is playing all

519
00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:06,200
over the field. If my team, you know, if any

520
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,799
team wants to take Ruben Baine in the top ten,

521
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,680
I think that's where you should go. And yes, you

522
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:11,559
live with the fact that his arms are a little shorter,

523
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,200
but you say, well, we just got a guy who's

524
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,160
been nothing but productive the last few years, and I

525
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,440
would not I expect him to be productive in the

526
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:19,519
NFL too right away.

527
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,519
Speaker 1: Keldric Falk is kind of he's kind of weird because

528
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:26,519
I've seen him go as high as like nine or ten,

529
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,000
and then you know, I've also seen him fall back

530
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:32,599
to the end of the first round. So to me,

531
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,440
I like him a lot team captain. With size six

532
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,839
five seven two hundred and seventy six pounds, Edgson can

533
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,440
play four to three and or three four and he's

534
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,519
really really hard to knock off his spot with that size,

535
00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:48,759
and his hands are heavy heavy. He really julps back

536
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:52,240
some offensive linemen. I think the downsides for him not

537
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,319
very quick with his size, he can get a little

538
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,000
upright when playing against the run, and this is This

539
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,799
was pointed out by a lot of people. There's two

540
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:04,400
many almost plays with Keldric Fall, but that the almost

541
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,240
plays show me, like, you know, just a little more seasoning,

542
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,559
he's gonna turn those almost plays and impact plays and

543
00:25:11,599 --> 00:25:14,240
be a very very good player. So I feel like

544
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:22,519
the production and maybe being scheme specific at his size

545
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,519
will lower him in the draft. But I think he

546
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,440
could be really productive if he does get that season.

547
00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,799
So what are your thoughts on Faull. We'll start with him.

548
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of he said almost plays. That's

549
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,400
a good word to phrase it, because we're talking about

550
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,880
a guy who in three seasons has ten total sacks. Right,

551
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,279
I talked about ho ruben Bain had nine and a

552
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:42,799
half last season. Caldre Falk said ten in three years

553
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,160
at Auburn. There, but he's super young. He's gonna be

554
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,960
one of the players draft, one of the youngest players drafted.

555
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,240
He won't be able to celebrate his being drafted by

556
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:53,319
taking a drink because he's not legally eligible to do

557
00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:54,680
that yet. He'll still be too young to do that

558
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,240
when he gets drafted in a couple of nights, and

559
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,359
he's just he's this massive human being who They play

560
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,319
all over the line too, Like they'll drop him down

561
00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,240
into the interior, they'll move him out to the wide

562
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,720
nine alignment. And I'm not sure that's necessarily helped him

563
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,039
be productive. I think it's helped their defense. I think

564
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:12,640
it's big time helped Auburn. Now. I think if you

565
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,359
had just said you're an edge defender play out here,

566
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:17,920
I think he probably would have had more success doing that.

567
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,599
But he has to do a lot of things that

568
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,559
probably weren't the best for him. So he's someone that

569
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,400
I expect to gets much better in the NFL than

570
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:24,799
he's been at college. There are times when he just

571
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,519
chucks offensive lineman out of the way. The running back

572
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:28,720
is getting close to him. He'll just throw their offensive

573
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,440
lineman out of the way and wrap up and make

574
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,440
the play. It's crazy how strong this dude is right now, though,

575
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,799
his past us plan is just be relentless and if

576
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,880
it gets stopped, well I'm stopped. And I don't really

577
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,279
have a counter move to that. To me, I mean,

578
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:43,799
the dream for Keldrick fulke is Cameron Jordan. That's what

579
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:46,160
it is. He's this huge, long guy Cameron. For what

580
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,480
Cameron Jordan's been for the Saints. Now that's a one

581
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,440
hundred percent outcome. G Camra Jordan's one of the best

582
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,440
players in the league for a long time here, but

583
00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:55,240
you mentioned it he plays a little high. I just

584
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,240
think if I want to take like an upside developmental

585
00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,279
defensive end, he's right up there. He might not be

586
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:03,400
my top favorite one, but you're also taking a guy

587
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,039
who's probably going to go in the first round too.

588
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,000
It's just he's young. He's shown enough flashes that I

589
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:09,279
think you can get more out of him, and he's

590
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:10,880
probably a better pro than he was at Auburn as

591
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,240
far as statistically is concerned.

592
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,839
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other three guys, which I think

593
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,599
each have you know, a major issue that teams are

594
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,400
going to worry about. And number twenty one, it's a

595
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,119
key Mesador. I got him with a quick first step,

596
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,359
hands are violent, swipes, hands away, jolts the life out

597
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,680
of a defender, and incredibly relentless. He does his job,

598
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,119
whether it stopping the run, getting after a screen, or

599
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,680
getting to the quarterback. He can sometimes get over aggressive

600
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,839
and over pursue. And this is the thing older prospect

601
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,359
of twenty five because he's had a lot of injuries,

602
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,640
foot surgery and both feed and missed a game last

603
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,559
well last year as well. Number twenty nine is TJ.

604
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,559
Parker from Clemson. Motor and destroying the run game are

605
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,920
would stand out for Parker. He's in the backfield, a

606
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,319
lot tons of tackles for loss, really great build and

607
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,799
length to mold. But really he fell off in twenty

608
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,920
twenty five. That that production, which you could say for

609
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,680
the entirety of the Clemson roster, but that drop off

610
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,279
in production is what made him, you know, go from

611
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,680
a top ten to a top thirty player here and

612
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,519
then Cash just how from Texas, a and m undersized

613
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:19,519
pass rusher that is very fast, has a ton of

614
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:22,559
bend he can drop and coverage, has lots of bats

615
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,200
the line, very strong production numbers, but the size issues

616
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,480
show up. He gets knocked off a spot by big

617
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:31,880
offensive tackles. Inside moves are tough, and he can be

618
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:38,119
a little grabby on occasion. So rounding out those defensive

619
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,440
ends here in the first round, these edge rushers, Mesador Parker,

620
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,079
how how do you rank them? So?

621
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: I still have t J. Parker at the top of

622
00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:50,759
this group for me, he is very firmly a day

623
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,240
one play pick for me. Still, yeah, you mentioned it right.

624
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,200
The production this year was way down going into the summer.

625
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,839
I think if he wasn't my top player, he's certainly

626
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,519
in my top five. And then it came out and

627
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:01,759
I was like, okay, okay, well you're being disappointing here.

628
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:03,279
But in the end of the year he started to

629
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,920
look better. I don't know if he was injured. They

630
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,279
never mentioned an injury. They never mentioned it with Ka Clubnick.

631
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,160
I don't know why they didn't tell us that maybe

632
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,480
he wasn't injured. He just didn't play well. But there

633
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,160
are reps where my dude is just getting under players,

634
00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,680
getting them off the ground and moving them out of

635
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,440
the way. Again, it's just leveling. I mean the Senior Bowl,

636
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,480
there's a rep where he just completely destroys Jennings Dunker,

637
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,200
just absolutely demolishes him three sacks in a game for

638
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:29,319
South Carolina at the end of the year where he

639
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,119
shows this completely diverse run package. I just talked about

640
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,680
how Keldric Falk is just relentlessness. Then if he gets stopped,

641
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,599
he's got nothing else.

642
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: T J.

643
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,119
Speaker 2: Parker's got it all in the bag man, He's got

644
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,400
moves galore and when he uses when he has a chance,

645
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,400
and he just torks guys. He just shucks the offensive

646
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,079
tackle off of him. Again, I don't think he's super bendy.

647
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,559
I don't think he's the freak athlete that R. L. Reesent,

648
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:51,160
Ruben Bain and David Bailey are. He's just not quite

649
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,319
to that level. But I think you could easily get

650
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:59,480
a really strong top player at the edge position for

651
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,359
ten years, and if especially if you could make him

652
00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,240
your number two. I think that's probably his best fit.

653
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,119
But you'd be fine. It's like your top edge defender

654
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,319
in a room. But I like DJ Parker. He's the

655
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,160
top one I have in this group. Then I actually

656
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,519
have Cashi's house still had a key Messa door. I

657
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,400
get the knocks some of the stuff you said. First off,

658
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,759
I'm glad that you noted the knockdown bats at the line.

659
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:18,880
I note that too. It's crazy because he is like

660
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,359
the smallest of these offensive edge players, even ruben Bain,

661
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,200
who gets all the knocks for his short arms. Castius

662
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,480
Hell's actually even tinier than that. But man, godness man,

663
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,880
he's just constantly living in the backfield against these teams.

664
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,599
Like if he is tiny, but the lateral movement. It

665
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,480
just crazy abilities to get around the edge. And then

666
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,759
you watch him cover, Like twenty twenty five, there's a

667
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,400
play where Mason Taylor's running an edge like a steam

668
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,200
route down the field. Mason Taylor got drafted and it

669
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,359
was the second round last year early, and he's just

670
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,880
like twenty yards down field in his hip pocket to

671
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,480
knock this ball down. Like the coverage skills, he could

672
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:56,799
easily play linebacker if he needed to. But multiple games

673
00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:59,240
this year where he had three or four sacks, I

674
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,079
think if he was longer, he's a no doubt top

675
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:02,720
fifteen pick.

676
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the only guy, Patrick Payton is the only

677
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,200
one with more bats than him this year he had three.

678
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,960
Peyton had four and Patrick Payton Sixt's five.

679
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:15,839
Speaker 2: So exactly, he's just he's just short and that's what

680
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,359
it is. And then he missed the very end of

681
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,599
the season with a hand injury. But I like cash

682
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,759
is How It's just a relentless defender two At that time,

683
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:24,960
he's just.

684
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: Forgive me here, Like I just have to say, I

685
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,359
love watching how play and I hate that I love it.

686
00:31:32,519 --> 00:31:36,720
Oh right, dude, When he wiped out Nasmyer in that

687
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,200
first drive from LSU and then he was like raising

688
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,920
the roof that fire. My god, dude, I mean, my boy,

689
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Colin Simmons has that plus more length and size like

690
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,240
that is so fun to watch. He is, you know,

691
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Tasmanian devilish, like he is just the motor motor motor

692
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,720
in the speed is it just shows up everywhere. Even

693
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,319
when he misses, he shows up because he's so far

694
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,720
off right. He is a lot of fun to watch.

695
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:08,000
And I hate that I had to say that.

696
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: I love his I love his He runs this ghost

697
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,279
move and then he'll just eat it up with an

698
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,279
inside spin move and he just destroys people on it.

699
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,279
The only person I saw that honestly helped their own

700
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:17,839
against the most of the year was your guy at

701
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,440
Texas Ruvord Gisby had a nice gup game against him,

702
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,039
I thought, But otherwise he beat everybody all year. Don't compare.

703
00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:26,519
I have a player com for him. You tell me

704
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:26,960
what you think.

705
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:31,279
Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Jerry Hughes is a

706
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,000
lot of fun to watch.

707
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,839
Speaker 2: Go back right, like a little bit of a yea.

708
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: But another dude with relentless, relentless, always there, always there,

709
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,400
in speed. Yeah, that's a good comp I like you.

710
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,759
Speaker 2: Thank you, Messador. I mean, so Bain gets all the hype,

711
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,000
which is deserved, but Messador is really good too. He's

712
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,720
just got a lot of injury problems. Routinely chases plays

713
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,559
across the field with a lot of pursuit himself. There's

714
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,240
there's times when they'll try to like throw plotters players

715
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,680
at him. He just again, he just stops him instantly.

716
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,960
He's very compactly built. I think he can hold up

717
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,680
well in the run game lines up. They line him

718
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:06,279
up really wide a lot of times, but there are

719
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,519
times when they'll drop him down into a more traditional alignment.

720
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,480
They're gonna be questions on the injuries. Right, twenty five,

721
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,200
it's not great. I don't I'd love him to be

722
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,480
twenty like Keldrick Falk, But if I got four good

723
00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:20,519
years out of him as a strong pass rusher, you

724
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,200
can live with that. And so you just have to

725
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:25,799
know there is more of a I don't want to

726
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,119
say a shelf life because it makes him time like

727
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:30,680
he's really old. But you're probably gonna get one strong

728
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,039
contract and then one more contract out of a key

729
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,759
messagor at most, whereas you know, you could get ten

730
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,319
twelve years out of Eltric Falk. And so if I'm

731
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:40,960
a team who's already got you know, one of these

732
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,160
teams that we talk about that has a stud locked in, right,

733
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,000
and I just need someone that I'm already a good team,

734
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:49,039
He's probably gonna go outside the top twenty picks New England, right,

735
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,799
Harold Landry's there, Maybe we get more out of Harold

736
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,599
Landry and we drop a key messador into it, Like

737
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,359
I think that's a perfect fit for him. But if

738
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,960
it's somebody who's big edge needs Miami, what I want

739
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,119
a key messador necessarily, I don't know. I'm not sure

740
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,160
he fits with their timeline. That's but he's a good player.

741
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:05,799
He's just the bottom of this tier.

742
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: For me, it's a reason why he might go lower

743
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,599
than a couple of other guys here. The interior defensive

744
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,039
lion has two prospects in here, Like I said, not

745
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,960
top heavy, but decent through the middle. After we have

746
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:21,599
what was that seven ed thrushers, So I think there

747
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,159
should be three in the first round, but Caleb Banks

748
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,960
is not because of his injury. Peter Woods number twenty

749
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,079
eight from Clemson very fundamentally sound player as a plan

750
00:34:32,119 --> 00:34:34,119
on every snap he shows a lot of clean moves

751
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:36,360
and strong effort. Would seem to have loss a bit

752
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,119
of explosion in twenty twenty five Without a good first step.

753
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,840
He can't get knocked off balance even when he does

754
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,280
get by, so a couple issues for him. And then

755
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,159
Kaden McDonald, I think is probably my favorite interior defensive

756
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,400
lineman in this class brick shitthouse build. I mean dick

757
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,840
all the way through the trunk, rocked up everywhere, gets

758
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,239
pushed back, and enough wiggle to get through the gaps

759
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,039
at his size. He breaks down the run game incredibly well.

760
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,559
Not nearly as good in pass rush though, so very

761
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,760
We're all there. Conditioning isn't an issue yet, but it

762
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,159
might get there. With all that muscle. Hands are secondary

763
00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,000
thought and he could really unlock his whole game if

764
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,639
he can get those counter moves and hands to be

765
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:18,639
a little bit better in my opinion, So, Peter Woods

766
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:21,679
from Clemson and Kate McDonald at Ohio State, which one

767
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,840
do you like better? And does Caleb belonging here?

768
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: Caleb's my top player, Catob's my top defensive Okay, our defender. Well,

769
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,760
we'll talk about him in a little bit. But I

770
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,880
have Caden McDonald at second among defensive linemen, and that's

771
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,199
that's a tier. I have just the two of them,

772
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:41,360
Kleb Banks and Caden McDonald. There you nailed Caden McDonald. Man.

773
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,360
He's an incredible run defender, right, probably the best. I mean,

774
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,039
there's no probably. He is the best run defender in

775
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,119
this class, better than Kleb Banks and any of the

776
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:50,320
bails that he's shown, better than Tyler Williams. That's what

777
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,400
we talked about Tyler Williams at this time last year

778
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,679
coming out of Ohio State. Caden McDonald's better than that.

779
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,679
He just he eats double teams. But he's not just

780
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,639
up there like space clogging either. He is actively working

781
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:05,239
to make tackles and like instantly resetting the line of

782
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,960
scrimmage for Ohio State's favorite. Part of the reason and

783
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,079
this isn't to take away from r Bell, Yes is amazing,

784
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,199
Sunny Styles is awesome, Downs is great. Like part of

785
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,280
the reason they're so good is that Kateen McDonald's just

786
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,480
making sure that no one is blocking Sunny. There's so

787
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,280
many plays where Sonny Styles just gets to run free

788
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,920
because no one's getting past Kaden McDonald, and that's he's

789
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,400
just immovable. In the run game. There's like against Indiana,

790
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,320
there's a first round player just as a run defender.

791
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,039
He gets the snap, moves the offensive line one yard back,

792
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,880
and your team is instantly in a much better like

793
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,559
set to make the play. He'll make tackles in the backfield.

794
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400
He's just if he was if I thought he could

795
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,719
even get to consistently five sacks a year, i'd take

796
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,119
him in the top half of the first round. I

797
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,239
don't know if he ever gets there though, right and

798
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,760
he might maybe he caps out some years that like three.

799
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,159
But he's probably one of the best run defending tackles

800
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:54,960
in the league right away.

801
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,039
Speaker 1: I mean, if he adds pass rush, he's Cam Hayward.

802
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, yeah, exactly, yeap. Just it's hard to do

803
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,760
that because I think he's had been I mean, I

804
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,360
know he's been well coach ott Ohio State, right so

805
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,840
he can get better. I'm not anybody can get better,

806
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,800
but I don't see it right now, which is why

807
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,480
I still have a very He's twenty seven over on mind,

808
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,239
so I have him in the first round. I he's great.

809
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,000
Peter Woods is actually my defensive Lineman number four, so

810
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,559
I have another one in between here and Peter Woods.

811
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,880
And he was again, if he wasn't my top player,

812
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,599
he was definitely in the top five going into the year.

813
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:29,679
But unlike TJ. Parker, who I thought showed some signs

814
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,119
of getting better as the year, girl went on Peter Woods,

815
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:34,159
just like disinterested man. He didn't even look like he

816
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,199
cared at times out there. And that's for a guy

817
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:37,920
who going into the year I just said, this guy

818
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,639
looks like Jayalen Carter, like he's he's awesome. He's eating

819
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:42,239
double teams, he's getting in the backfield. But as the

820
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,519
year went on, it was okay, well, maybe teams are

821
00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:48,400
running away from him, and that happened, but he doesn't.

822
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,639
He wasn't playing the same. He looked like a different player.

823
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,840
He looks slower off tape for a guy who had

824
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,480
great get off. I watched him and there'd be times

825
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,480
when the ball snap, he's right across from the ball

826
00:37:56,519 --> 00:37:58,760
and you're half a like TJ. Parker is out on

827
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,440
the edge getting off the ball quicker than you, man,

828
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:01,280
like you're right away.

829
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,559
Speaker 1: You hate to see that stuff. I do think they

830
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,679
were pretty bad vibes at Clemson, and I think I'm

831
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,920
not giving him an excuse. You don't. You don't take

832
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,199
plays off, right right exactly, But it wasn't. This wasn't

833
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,599
an issue until this year, right exactly.

834
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,519
Speaker 2: And that and maybe that's it, and that's you don't

835
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,280
want to see if someone do that. I don't love

836
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,559
that stuff. I mean, we see that happen in the

837
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,599
NFL all the time, where players take plays off. You

838
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,360
you dealt with that with George Pickens for years, and

839
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,400
you know how irritating they can get, even when you're

840
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,119
that talented. But I still keep him as he is

841
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,760
number thirty seven overall for me, so still a very

842
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,440
early second round pick. It's just I need you to

843
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,239
answer what happened this year, right like if I'm a

844
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,920
nine NFL team, I need you to tell me, okay,

845
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,360
we're Were you hurt? Did you not like the scheme?

846
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,639
Did something change? Because otherwise you look like a completely

847
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:48,400
different player. I would not take based off of twenty

848
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,760
twenty five what he put on tape. He's not a

849
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,360
secon round player. Good, Okay, you have to go off

850
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,719
with what he's did on twenty twenty four, and it's

851
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,480
athletic gifts He's extremely athletically gifted. That's that's not a question.

852
00:38:56,679 --> 00:39:00,639
So I would take him in the second round. But again,

853
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,239
I want him to land in a good spot like Vegas,

854
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,599
is not it right. I don't want him to go

855
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,599
to some place like Vegas where you can screw around

856
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:09,599
and do something like that. Drop him in Baltimore, drop

857
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:12,800
him something like that. That would be no Miami, No Miami,

858
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,920
no nowhere. Fun right, go to Cleveland. We are focusing

859
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,840
on football here, man, come to Green Bay.

860
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,599
Speaker 1: That's really cold, Cincinnati, let's go. Let's talk about the

861
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:22,159
second round.

862
00:39:22,199 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: Here.

863
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: We got five edge players in three interior defensive players

864
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,920
in the second round. And these are all ranks according

865
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,719
to mock Draft database. By the way, these aren't our

866
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,440
personal ranks. But at edge number thirty seven we have

867
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,440
Zion Young from Missouri. I got him as a strong

868
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,920
edge effort slash team captain with limited upside. Already good

869
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,360
against the run, good size and speed, and could do

870
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,639
a little bit of everything well place a little stiff

871
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,159
body might be maxed out. Speed, burst, change, direction are

872
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,960
all just okay, which leads to him being a little

873
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,679
stiff and slower on some snaps. For Malachi Lawrence also

874
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,199
at number forty three or at forty three burst in

875
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,039
hand stand up out he can get you can get

876
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,280
around or inside with speed and knocks offensive lineman off

877
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,159
balance with strong swipes and chops. Another guy that plays

878
00:40:08,199 --> 00:40:10,840
a bit upright and can't get pushed back if the

879
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,000
hands and first step aren't there, and can over pursue

880
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:17,519
a little bit. Ar Mason Thomas from Oklahoma forty seven,

881
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,199
small and quick, technically sound, uses a lack of size

882
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,599
to gain leverage and still shows power. Dude seems to

883
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,400
always know where the ball is going. He gets washed

884
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,719
away sometimes because of his size. Not asked to drop

885
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,280
enough to be confident for him to play on third

886
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,079
downs from the jump gave Jakas, how do we say it?

887
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:38,440
I always mess it up? Yakis?

888
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: We're going with Yakis. I believe there's like a yah

889
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,679
yeah yeah.

890
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a Yakis hackis yah. Jabe Yakis from Illinois

891
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,960
A refined hands chip swat rip swim. The hands are

892
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,079
always moving, strong fundies, fifty straight starts, lots of production

893
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,039
in Illinois. Elite level pass rusher with below average everything

894
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,119
else push trying to take up space and some run

895
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,800
some rough run d snaps for Gabe Akis and then Derek.

896
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,519
Derek Moore has so much upside, in my opinion, dominated

897
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:11,440
at the Senior ball, we were really able to see

898
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,320
the upside there when he gets through. He's taking big,

899
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,320
long strides even when a guy is hanging on him,

900
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,760
and is really good at pursuit, which keeps him strong

901
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,960
in the run game. The issue is he gets wiped

902
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,079
out of the plays a lot. I think he already

903
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,039
has a strong floor and I kind of thought of

904
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:28,960
his floor as Bud Dupree, right, like a guy that

905
00:41:29,079 --> 00:41:31,800
is that pursuit guy. He may not get around fast enough,

906
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,239
but if you hold on the ball too long, he's

907
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,360
gonna get you. If you run out wide too long,

908
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,440
he's gonna get you. You try to stretch it out

909
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,599
like his speed in his pursuit and his strides are

910
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,760
very very good for a net rusher. So how do

911
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,880
you see this second round tier of ed rushers in

912
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,119
or are we missing anybody?

913
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,079
Speaker 2: So I have all of these guys in that tier

914
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:56,639
plus one more. My top ed rusher in this group.

915
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,320
I have Malachi Lawrence as my favorite in this group.

916
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,519
He is right behind a key Mesadora eight as my

917
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,599
ed rusher. It's just a projection off of what his

918
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,119
his entire. His body type is crazy, Like his arms

919
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:13,400
look like they touch his kneecaps when he's running out there. Man,

920
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:18,360
Like it's wild. How blong this dude is, and he

921
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,559
looks at times they would use him like an outside linebacker.

922
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,079
His best fits clearly edge. I talk about how cash

923
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:25,719
is Helkin covered downfield. He's not doing that. That's not

924
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,000
what Malachi Lawrence is doing. But that's what they used him.

925
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,880
But when they kick him out, like then they drop

926
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,880
him down into edge, just traditional ads, and they just

927
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,599
say go get the quarterback. Like there are some reps

928
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,679
where he's playing from like a wide nine or traditional

929
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,880
edge where he almost instantly has the snap. He gets

930
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,199
off the snap instantly and then he uses his long

931
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,119
arms and just forces his way past the offensive lineman

932
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:50,960
to get around to the pocket. Now I don't see

933
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,719
him completely with on tackles, but he's not good at

934
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,159
wrapping up right now, right like he he gets there,

935
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,960
he's just not making the tackles.

936
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:02,639
Speaker 1: And there are some I think he takes bad angles.

937
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: I think, and he's just not been He just needs

938
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,280
to add some strength, I think. I think that's what

939
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,079
it comes down to him. I think those long arms

940
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,440
are great. I need you to put on just a

941
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,760
little bit more muscle, But he would be the one

942
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,760
I would say. There's him, and there's one other guy

943
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,119
who you have not mentioned yet, who I think have

944
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,480
this much upside as any of the addressers, just because

945
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,440
there is not a lot of people who I think

946
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,760
have the build that MALICKI. Lawrence has. And it's it's

947
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,519
the really long arms, it's the ability to stretch out

948
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,239
and do things that I don't think some of the

949
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,280
other players can do in this group. So he is

950
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,880
my favorite of this group, followed by gaby Akis. You

951
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,000
mentioned some of it right. Illinois played him completely in

952
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,280
the wrong position. They did not take advantage of him

953
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,480
at all. I don't know why. There's there's player where

954
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,199
they're like dropping him into the interior, and then there's

955
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:44,960
plays where they're almost using him as like a slot cornerback.

956
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,280
I don't know why they're he's standing up outside like

957
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,840
that because it's not it's not what he's doing well.

958
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,119
But the best game for him was against Duke great

959
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:56,000
just completely flew by a couple of spin moves, stripsack

960
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,599
Garian mensa take some false steps on our pos. I

961
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,239
noticed the RPOs and again, he shouldn't have to be

962
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,360
worrying about that, like an edge player should not be

963
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,119
trying to read whether or not the quarterback's going to

964
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:07,800
hold the ball and pull it back as far as

965
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,960
you know then throw the ball. But that's what they

966
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,320
had him do. He's really good hands to try to

967
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,960
strip the ball out of there. I love the spin

968
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,159
rip combo that he has. He's not He's not a

969
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,679
finesse player. His thing is straight power. He's not going

970
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:21,880
to finesse you to the line. Can we get some

971
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,000
more help out of him in that way? I think so.

972
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,719
You mentioned the Senior Bowl earlier. I saw him lined

973
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,559
up at edge and that and just rot Rex shop.

974
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,360
I'm not the biggest Austin Barber guy. He just destroyed

975
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,760
Austin Barber a few times. Not sure he's a super athlete,

976
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,039
but I think he's a good football player. Who a

977
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:37,480
team that is going to be happy to draft in

978
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,400
round two and they'll get some good, pretty good production

979
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,119
out of Gabiacis. Then is Zion young? I mean so

980
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,920
if Cash his Holl's my favorite edge players far to watch.

981
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,599
Cash's Zion Young's probably second. I mean, just you mentioned

982
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,440
Tasmanian Devil with catch his help, that's the same thing.

983
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,360
Zion Young looks like someone told him before the game

984
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,400
start that his mom's ugly or something, and he's just

985
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,960
got to get into the back of it. Like it's

986
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,320
like the water boy out there man. Like he is

987
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,519
just throwing back player, very much a throwback player who

988
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,079
his passionless plan is be relentless or jump instantly to

989
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:08,639
a new gap and hope he gets there with quickness.

990
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,519
That's the issue right right now, That's all he's doing

991
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,000
is he's just saying, I am not going to stop.

992
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,360
Good luck stopping me. I'm going to push, push, push

993
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,679
my way into the backfield. And it works. I still

994
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,840
chased down the Lenora Sellers in open space. We haven't

995
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,480
talked about Lenora Sellers, but he's a great run the

996
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,440
player and chased him down. He just keeps he kept

997
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,159
climbing up my ranks, and then at the end when

998
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:29,760
we got some of the measurements, I dropped him down

999
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000
a little bit. I didn't think he was the only

1000
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,400
person who I saw really beat max Ian Atcher at

1001
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,320
the Senior Bowl.

1002
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,519
Speaker 1: There.

1003
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: I thought Zion Young got him one rep where I

1004
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,960
was like, wow, I didn't see anybody else do it.

1005
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,400
I think he's a really safe pick as he's an

1006
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,679
awesome run defender for a guy who's undersized, he is

1007
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,639
all over the field to do it. So I think

1008
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:51,800
he is a really safe floor. But some of the

1009
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,159
physical limitations and the lack of counter moves just tell

1010
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,480
me that maleck I Lawrence has much higher ceiling than

1011
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:01,280
what Zion Young offers. But it's a much lower floor,

1012
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,760
is what I would say in that. So I think

1013
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,360
Zion Young is going to be a good NFL football player.

1014
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,599
I don't know if they're star upside where some of

1015
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:10,000
these other players like male like U Laurrence s has

1016
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400
star upside. Cash is how could be star if he

1017
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,639
comes if it all develops right, and I don't think

1018
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:15,719
that happens with Zion Young.

1019
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: Did we get everybody here? Uh?

1020
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,559
Speaker 2: So, then we have one that we haven't talked about yet.

1021
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:22,679
I'll skip him. Derek Moore is ahead of our Mason

1022
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,599
Thomas for me, and it's just they're very similar players.

1023
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,679
Are Mason Thomas's size limitations show up to me more

1024
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:33,159
than Derek Moore's more than Casher owls more than you know.

1025
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,320
Ruben Bain's for sure. His size limitations. To me, He's

1026
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,760
the one that I'm willing to say. I don't think

1027
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:41,639
our Mason Thomas is an every down player. I think

1028
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,880
all the other guys we talked about, Ruben Bains short arms,

1029
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,440
he can play every down. I've seen it. Cash is

1030
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,760
how can play every down. I've seen it. Derek Moore

1031
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,559
I think can play every down. Our Mason Thomas is

1032
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,360
a designated paths rusher. I don't think our Mason Thomas

1033
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,920
is somebody I want on the field and first and

1034
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,079
second downs, because while there are some truly amazing sacks,

1035
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:01,119
he is flying off the edge. He will chase the

1036
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:03,519
ball carrier all over the field. Like in other word,

1037
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,760
he is relentless. The best you're hoping for here is

1038
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000
you get Bryce Off. That's what you're hoping for, and

1039
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,599
that's a great player. But it's a really hard player

1040
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,480
to find. I more likely with our Mason Thomas, I

1041
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,840
think you get a better version of what mo Kamara

1042
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,679
has been. I think I like Mokamara. I think he's

1043
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,760
better than that, But I don't think I want him on.

1044
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,159
I know I don't want him on the field, like

1045
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,840
you know, you're playing Baltimore, it's first and tent. I

1046
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,239
think Derek Henry is gonna get the balls Thomas on

1047
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,119
the field right like something like that. I just don't

1048
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,000
think you can play him in some of those reps

1049
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,599
right now. And these other guys, I'm at least willing

1050
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:40,039
to let them try and right now, I don't see

1051
00:47:40,039 --> 00:47:41,400
anything that says armson Thomas.

1052
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:43,519
Speaker 1: Can do that. I agree, I think there is limited

1053
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:47,119
upside for our Mason Thomas. So a good group here, uh,

1054
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,119
interior defensive line. Like I said, there's three guys on this.

1055
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,039
We talked about how we like Caleb Banks, think he

1056
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:55,559
should be probably a first round guy. And what I

1057
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,599
have on him is a first round talent that dealt

1058
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:01,800
with injuries and conditioning issues. Obviously you know big, but

1059
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,719
the functional strength is crazy and it doesn't mess with

1060
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,000
his fluidity. He just moves very well at his size.

1061
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:11,760
When everything goes right, he moves guys back like a sled,

1062
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,559
sheds them and delivers a massive hit. Now, he will

1063
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,000
get moved even at his size and strength when his

1064
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:20,320
feet gets slow, which will happen because he needs to

1065
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,599
get better at conditioning. Broken foot means he did nothing

1066
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,199
and will be out until June at the earliest, so

1067
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,480
probably gonna push him down to day two. But it

1068
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,840
would not be shocking to see someone because as the

1069
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,079
old thing goes, it only takes one team to love

1070
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:39,280
this guy. Christian Miller from Georgia's at forty six, really

1071
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,000
strong run defender that isn't a threat as a pass rusher.

1072
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,880
Yet he really stacks and sheds well, follows a ball

1073
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:48,719
with his eyes in pursuit, but the patient patients and

1074
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,440
pursuit rarely works in pass rush snaps because it makes

1075
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,199
him look late in pass rush and he gets pushed back.

1076
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Lots of injuries, but healthy as a senior as well.

1077
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,400
For Christian Miller and then our boy Lee Hunter from

1078
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,679
Texas Tech, it feels like people are split on Lee Hunter. Man.

1079
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,679
Hunter had great numbers at Texas Tech, but it's like

1080
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,119
Miller in the fact that he's a much better run

1081
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,360
dye option than a pass rusher. He uses his strength

1082
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,320
to shed own line and lived in the backfield the

1083
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,039
Organ game. I mean, he just absolutely crushed. That's when

1084
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:19,880
I was like, good lord, we need to where is

1085
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,960
Lee Hunter supposed to go? Here? He was awesome constantly

1086
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,000
in the backfield in that game, he will get knocked

1087
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:30,280
off balanced because his work is you know, it's natural,

1088
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,760
his feet need work. He doesn't win with speed, and

1089
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,679
he did get a lot of help at Texas Tech,

1090
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,239
but had similar production at UCF as well. So three

1091
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,119
interior defensive linemen. We obviously know Banks should go number

1092
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,840
one here, but tell us about Banks and what do

1093
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,519
you think between Miller and Hunter.

1094
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: Caleb Banks is still my top interior defensive lineman. And

1095
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,920
it's basically the ceiling of Caleb Banks is higher than

1096
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,800
the ceiling of Kaden McDonald. And the floor of Caleb

1097
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,559
Banks is that his foot never seems to get better

1098
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:01,920
because he's this massive human being and he's injured and

1099
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,519
he's out of the league in three years. The ceiling

1100
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,960
of Kleb Banks is he is the six foot six

1101
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,679
version of three six foot six, three hundred and twenty

1102
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,679
seven pound version of Jalen Carter's. That's the upside with

1103
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,039
Caleb Banks. And it's all about like we didn't talk.

1104
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,400
I don't think people have realized just how amazing his

1105
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:21,599
combine was on what we learned later was a partially

1106
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,679
broken foot, Like just crazy jumping numbers out of player

1107
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,199
that size is just insane. Now you mentioned it. He's

1108
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:30,519
got a broken foot. He had a broken foot. He'll

1109
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,239
be twenty three at the draft, so he's a little

1110
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,440
bit older. But man, there are some reps where and

1111
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,599
it's not very many because you said like he missed

1112
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,159
most of the year with an injury. It was really LSU.

1113
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,760
After he missing the first a couple of years with

1114
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,000
a foot injury, he came back and made it to

1115
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,639
the third quarter against LSU, And he came back at

1116
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:49,079
the end of the season and played against Tennessee and man,

1117
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:51,400
when he's out there, though it's nothing, looks different, he's

1118
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,440
just destroying interior offensive lineman, like moving him back instantly,

1119
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:58,519
instantly starts moving the pilayers back and then if he

1120
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:00,880
gets stopped. He actually for a huge dude like that,

1121
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,039
he has counter moves like he will play in the backfield.

1122
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,800
He plays tall, but I don't know if there's anthing

1123
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,639
to do about that dude six foot six. I don't

1124
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:10,079
know if I can tell you to play much smaller

1125
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,719
than that. So the upside of Caleb Banks is just immense.

1126
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,159
That's why I still keep him at number one and

1127
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:17,480
if he falls to the second round, like yo, Green Bay,

1128
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,960
liket's take advantage of this man, like hey, this move

1129
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,480
on guy. That's right, Christian Miller is my number three,

1130
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:27,360
so I actually have him right behind Kate McDonald and

1131
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:31,920
a head of Peter Woods. Even it's I don't know

1132
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,960
how they like just breed these guys in Georgia who

1133
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,639
are awesome at playing the interior. They just seem to

1134
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,480
always have someone like this. He's not even asked to

1135
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,119
be on the field a ton at Georgia because they

1136
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,679
have so many other good players, but great anchor against

1137
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,960
the run, can shed and envelop multiple gaps at one time.

1138
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,360
When he gets there, He's not just feeling, he is

1139
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,320
looking to actively make a tackle. He's shown that he

1140
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,119
plays with the same attitude over an entire length of

1141
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:59,320
the game. I'll say this, he's not great. Like we

1142
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,239
talk about how Kleb Banks or Kate mcdal can hold

1143
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,159
up against double teams, Christian Miller can get pushed out

1144
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,119
of the way with some of the double teams. And

1145
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:07,039
right now, there's not much of a pass rush move.

1146
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,800
I mentioned that Caleb Banks has it, it's not it's

1147
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,719
maybe a little bit more than Kayden McDonald, but it's

1148
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,559
not he's not the same level of run defender at

1149
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:19,039
this point either. He's just he's young. He hasn't shown

1150
00:52:19,039 --> 00:52:20,960
a ton on it yet. It's a little bit more

1151
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,559
of a projection. But these Georgia defensive linemen, man, they

1152
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:27,480
come out, they're already like, really built. You already know

1153
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,440
you got the body. Sachi's there. You can see what

1154
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:33,000
he could be. To me, there's like he looks a

1155
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:34,880
lot like Delvin Thomlinson. That's the one that he looks

1156
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,159
like to me, is a strong version of Delvin Tomlinson.

1157
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,760
So I like Christian Miller. He's my number three, Peter

1158
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,239
Woods is four. Lee Hunter I actually drop into a

1159
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,840
new tier. So those other it's Caleb Banks and Kate

1160
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,800
McDonald are tier, Christian Miller and Peter Woods are tier,

1161
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,320
and Lee Hunter starts my third tier.

1162
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 1: This hurts me to hear you say I'm sorry. I

1163
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,559
know it's true, And like I said, I feel like

1164
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:56,679
some people just really don't like him.

1165
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: I still like him. I absolutely have him as a

1166
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,719
clear day two player with limitations, and it's the limitations

1167
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,000
are He's getting there. He's another one. He's getting there.

1168
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,440
He is missing too many tackles, right, I think that's it.

1169
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:14,559
Like he's very explosive, But is he explosive because this

1170
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:16,760
is the same defensive line that has David Bailey and

1171
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,480
Ramelo Height on it, and he's taking advantage of the

1172
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,079
fact that teams aren't really scheming up Lee Hunter at

1173
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:24,599
that early at least early in the season. By the

1174
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:28,679
end of the year, maybe they were. And like he's

1175
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,199
one of the most explosive players, like initial steps as

1176
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,320
far as interior players. I see like he is working

1177
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,559
his way up instantly. But if that doesn't work on

1178
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:39,679
a play, like say he doesn't get the initial rep

1179
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,360
it struggles, Right, there's definitely struggles in there, so quick

1180
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,639
more so than fast, and not a ton of counters

1181
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:50,920
at this point. Day two should be where he goes.

1182
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,280
It's just a little bit of a it's not the

1183
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,440
same type of interior defensive lineman. It's like what these

1184
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,880
other guys are. He doesn't. He has too many limitations

1185
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,400
at this point as far as like tackling, and he

1186
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,440
hasn't shown quite as much to me as like when

1187
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,000
you watch Christian Miller, you can see, Okay, well, this guy,

1188
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,039
he's he's got a much better built body than what

1189
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,599
Lee Hunter just looks. Let's stout more so than more

1190
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:16,360
so than like long and some of these other guys

1191
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,159
look long. He just looks stout, which is fine, it's good,

1192
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,559
but I don't want to spend a top thirty five

1193
00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:24,679
pick on Lee Hunter, which and the other ones i'd

1194
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,920
find spending that pick on them.

1195
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,079
Speaker 1: I agree with that because like at least like Christian Miller,

1196
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:31,599
you get an immediate impact in the run game. So

1197
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:34,199
with Kate McDonald as well, Lee Hunter is kind of

1198
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,880
a little more questionable. So but this is why it's

1199
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,400
kind of I think the top end is kind of

1200
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,880
why it's weak. Right, only three in the second round here,

1201
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,480
only three interior guys in the third round as well,

1202
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:50,360
in five more edge rushers. Let's start it with the

1203
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,639
edge rusher's number seventy one, denied to Sutton from Penn State.

1204
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:56,000
And he looks like a plug and play type of

1205
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,480
pass rusher that gets after the quarterback and goes to

1206
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:03,920
the ball when he can. Strong, has incredible push ability

1207
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,599
to move the offensive line and you know, grab and

1208
00:55:06,639 --> 00:55:10,119
move him in whatever direction he wants and then drive. However,

1209
00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:13,760
he can't when he can't move them he rarely wins

1210
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,400
his counters. They need a lot of work, but the

1211
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,199
motor is great and he's ready to play on third

1212
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,280
down today, number seventy six from LA height. Great pass rusher,

1213
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,440
but his size is going to have him drop and

1214
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,199
potentially be overlooked. He's two hundred three and nine pounds.

1215
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,519
He's fast, really was able to develop a Texas Tech

1216
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:32,920
eleven tackles for lost nine and a half sacks, but

1217
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,119
obviously had Lee Hunter and David Bailey also on that line,

1218
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:40,039
so he can be productive. You know, for his size,

1219
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,679
he's more instinctual in the run game, and he may

1220
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:47,400
not take he takes too many wide moves to allow

1221
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,000
the quarterback to bail out as well, so there's downside.

1222
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:51,920
You know, her big upside, but he may have to

1223
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,880
move an inside linebacker, and who knows if he can

1224
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,400
actually become a real edge rusher in the league. Eighty

1225
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,400
three jos What Joseph said, Tennis a lot of similarities

1226
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,280
in height to and wait to Romelo height, but he

1227
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,480
probably is a little bit better as a run defender

1228
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:13,079
and a little worse as a pass rusher. He can

1229
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:15,440
win with power, but there might not be much more

1230
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,280
to be done about his lightweight and there's no room

1231
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,440
for him to get bigger. He could really if there

1232
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,400
is room for it to get bigger there he could

1233
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,119
have a nice floor, but I'm just not sure. Barham

1234
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,800
another guy in this developmental kind of area pass rusher.

1235
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Barham could come in and be a strong tweener. He's

1236
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,880
the Kmart version of Reese that is still developing counters

1237
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,400
and attacks to get to the quarterback, but has shown flashes.

1238
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:43,320
He also has shown some tendencies to bite on fakes.

1239
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,280
He will take debate on almost anything, and he is

1240
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,719
the dude that headbutted the ref in the Ohio State game,

1241
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,800
so you know got to question that decision making. And

1242
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:54,880
I think my favorite player in this group of ed

1243
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,360
rusher is Caraon Crawford from Abron Auburn. Love watching him.

1244
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,400
He stole some of my Falulk watching right because I

1245
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,159
was watching Falknanci who was Crawford over here. Motor motor, motor, motor,

1246
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:10,039
lots of speed makes him relentless danger on every pass nap.

1247
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:12,840
He only started as a senior though, so he is

1248
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,280
still developing fundies but offers so much upside. I would

1249
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,679
love for the Steelers to take Crawford here for me,

1250
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:25,280
So Crawford, Barham, Joseph's Heit, and Deny Dennis Sutton. Who

1251
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,360
do you like out of this group?

1252
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean we tend to watch and think alike

1253
00:57:29,519 --> 00:57:32,480
when it comes to these players, because Kieran Crawford is

1254
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,079
the one that I still have in the last the

1255
00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,239
last set of players like he is actually number eleven

1256
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,280
for me, So he is right behind Zion Young. And

1257
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,199
I haven't met a Derek more In or Mason Thomas

1258
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,360
as far as players that I like. That's how much

1259
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:48,239
I like Hearan Crawford, and it's developmental. He was at

1260
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:52,760
Arkansas State before transferring to Auburn. But man, there are

1261
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,159
some reps where you're like, dude, this guy is an

1262
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:59,800
incredible athlete who moves great in space. Like his ability

1263
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,880
of like eat space and just be in the way

1264
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,760
is great. The hands are flying all over the place,

1265
00:58:06,039 --> 00:58:09,519
he can bend around the edge. There are plays where

1266
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:11,840
he's like instantly in the backfield. I don't know if

1267
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,079
he teleports, like you watch it and you're like, man,

1268
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:15,679
how did you get there that quickly?

1269
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: That I think that's what caught me with Yah, he is.

1270
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 2: There, yes, and now there's there's issues right He's he's long,

1271
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:27,119
but he's thin, like he needs to get stronger and

1272
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,639
right now, there are times when like if they drop

1273
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:31,960
a tight end down on top of a tackle on him,

1274
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,960
he gets just absolutely moved out of space. So so

1275
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:38,400
there are questions, but man, there is a lot of

1276
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,280
duels to build on on Greeer Crawford. So he is

1277
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,440
my favorite. I actually have him in the last tier.

1278
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,559
Then it's Joshua Josephs who starts tier. That'd be what

1279
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,480
tier five for me, which is like clearly round three

1280
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,880
possibly even like moving into day three early. Joshua Josephs

1281
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,320
is the top of it. He's just he's just solid.

1282
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,280
But like you said, like there are length concerns with

1283
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:04,360
Joshua Josephs, but very side valid going to focus, it's

1284
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,760
always hard to do defensive mind minute Tennessee because they're

1285
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,239
in and out so much, right they do not stay

1286
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,159
on the field.

1287
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: It's hard to evaluate Tennessee players that aren't a line I.

1288
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: Almost like that's probably my least favorite team to try

1289
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,519
to find a Like the offensive, the wide receivers are

1290
00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:21,000
wide open half the time, the quarterback never has any

1291
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,000
pressure and then on defense, it's like, oh, we say

1292
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,039
ant we send in these line shifts at defensive lions,

1293
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,199
you get like twenty reps a game out of a guy.

1294
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:31,880
But when he's out there, like the long arms, he

1295
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,840
uses it to rip the ball out, explosive off the edge.

1296
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,719
He's just he's just small. Like the same things that

1297
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:39,599
we talked about with James Pierce last year at Tennessee.

1298
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:42,159
We could be talking about Joshua Joseph. We just don't

1299
00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:44,440
because he's not going in the top you know, we

1300
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,719
talked about James Pearce in the top first round. Joshua

1301
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,679
Joseph isn't going to go in the first round, right,

1302
00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:50,920
But I think he makes an He makes an impact

1303
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,000
in the run game, like he makes himself felt out there.

1304
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:56,199
He's just somebody who's probably going to be a situational

1305
00:59:56,239 --> 00:59:59,119
pass rusher rather than someone who's an every down player.

1306
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,559
After that, I have some other players in between, but

1307
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:04,679
the players you mentioned the next last one to night,

1308
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:06,559
Dennis Sutton, I have at sixteen, which is the same

1309
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,639
tear as Joshua Joseph's. This is just the every year

1310
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,880
the Penn State finds these awesome athlete guys who sometimes

1311
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,000
work out and sometimes they don't. Like Jason Oway, it

1312
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:20,199
was okay, it tour gross mottos not so good, right,

1313
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,639
Like they always seem to have these long players who

1314
01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:27,000
are pretty good athletes. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't.

1315
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,599
He should have made more, like I can say it's

1316
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:31,320
about almost anybody. It seems like we talk about from

1317
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,480
Penn State, like he should have made more of an impact.

1318
01:00:33,519 --> 01:00:35,679
That sure seems like there are plays where you're like, man,

1319
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,239
you have you have this player, beat bend, bend your

1320
01:00:38,239 --> 01:00:40,239
shoulders down, man, You've got it the edge, and he

1321
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,400
just cannot dip his shoulders and down there. So I've

1322
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,440
always probably been a bit down on him. I think

1323
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,639
his best move would be to just like he should

1324
01:00:48,679 --> 01:00:51,119
be someone who adds some weight and moves inside. That

1325
01:00:51,159 --> 01:00:53,079
would be the best fit for him. Sixty five two

1326
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,199
sixty five Can we put Can I put twenty pounds

1327
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:57,800
on you? And can you become like an explosive interior defender?

1328
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,079
Because make him Elijah Kntsey right exactly, Like, I think

1329
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:03,360
that's his best fit right now. He just doesn't really

1330
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,199
he looks slow outside and not very bendy out there,

1331
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:09,880
which I don't know. I've always been kind of a

1332
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,079
denied that a Sutton downer and I'll eat that one.

1333
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:16,199
And who else we talk about Ramelo Heights, So I've

1334
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,599
kind of buried Ramelo Height. He looks real small to me,

1335
01:01:19,679 --> 01:01:21,880
man like I are mellow height at twenty two at

1336
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,159
the edge, which is clearly into the day three. And

1337
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:27,599
it's just he is someone where when you really start

1338
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:29,679
to watch it, there were reps early in the year

1339
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:32,840
where David Bailey is getting all the hype right and

1340
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,320
and Ramelo Heights beating people one on one, but you're like,

1341
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,719
you're looking, You're like, okay, are you how are you

1342
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,360
beating him? Oh? You're just running around him. And by

1343
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,079
the end of the year seems to have figured out, okay, well,

1344
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:43,840
all he can do is try to run around us,

1345
01:01:44,119 --> 01:01:46,559
so let's initiate the contact with him, and then good

1346
01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:48,920
luck trying to get through. And it just he never

1347
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,000
could do it. He's been in college six years, so

1348
01:01:51,039 --> 01:01:52,800
he's going to be a twenty five year old rookie.

1349
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:56,719
It's he's just somebody who I don't see how it

1350
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:57,679
translates well.

1351
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,719
Speaker 1: To the NFL like this, if it could be like,

1352
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,599
you know, third fourth quarter against a tired tackle where

1353
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:06,440
he can just you know, beat him to the PA.

1354
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,239
Speaker 2: And I don't want I don't want to spend a

1355
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,239
Day two pick on that, right, Like, to me, that's

1356
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,840
that's somebody I want around pick like one fifty to

1357
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,039
two hundred at most. So I have buried or mellow height.

1358
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,880
And did I miss anybody that we talked about.

1359
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: Linebacker?

1360
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, so he's still he is, like, uh

1361
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:30,719
my number eight linebacker, which is Day two. But that

1362
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,039
that's where I settled on him because just had like

1363
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,679
he's you mentioned Kmart rvl reas. I said r vl

1364
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:39,360
Reics can play linebacker. Barham's played linebacker too. They've moved

1365
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,519
him back and forth, he's spent more time. He transitioned

1366
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,079
from linebacker to edgemore this year, but I put him

1367
01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:46,840
back at linebackers. I just think that's a better fit

1368
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:52,000
for what he offers. But his team has won an edge. Yeah,

1369
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:53,800
teams like to say the thing as r L reach right, Like,

1370
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,599
teams want him to play the edge, So make him

1371
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,760
You're probably gonna get him there. But I thought his

1372
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,679
linebacker looked better than edge, so I moved him to

1373
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:04,440
line back. And it's his thing is like, I just

1374
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,920
think he is so aggressive that like counters, he just

1375
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,360
runs completely out of the play, Like he runs himself

1376
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,960
out of so many plays that you're like, dude, I

1377
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,960
know that you want to tackle, but just just hold

1378
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:16,519
your lane up.

1379
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I miss that sometimes because I'm like, okay,

1380
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:21,000
that's a bad rap. That's a bad rap. Like I

1381
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,760
don't pick up the pattern, but it was clearly noticeable

1382
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,719
with Barham, right, So I.

1383
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:29,199
Speaker 2: Like Barham, but but he's to me, he's if I

1384
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,599
put him in the edges, he would probably fall and

1385
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:34,440
see her. I can move him quick. He'd be like

1386
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,280
one D one, so he'd be ahead of her mellow height,

1387
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,920
but he'd be in the day three range rounder edge.

1388
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:46,199
Speaker 1: The third round of these interior defensive linemen is still

1389
01:03:46,239 --> 01:03:51,119
only three. I like these three guys though in certain roles,

1390
01:03:51,159 --> 01:03:52,920
but it's really the fourth round where you get a

1391
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:57,239
lot of those upside interior defensive linemen. So the guys

1392
01:03:57,559 --> 01:04:00,559
on the interior in the third roun number sixty seven

1393
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:03,679
Dominique Orange, Big Citrus similar to run to the run

1394
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,920
D defensive lignement we've talked about already in the second round,

1395
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,960
except he's a little more dense, more of a nose, tackle,

1396
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:13,800
slash space clogger, long arms, and apparent change in attitude

1397
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,079
at Iowa State. I read that in the Beast that

1398
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,639
he almost gave up on football. But if if he,

1399
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,320
you know, he gave he gave all the credit to

1400
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,719
Matt Campbell and everybody at Iowa State for helping him,

1401
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:31,360
you know, reverse that and get a better attitude towards

1402
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,800
the game and look more towards that. So the frame

1403
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:39,480
and a new attitude should be nice to mold, but

1404
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,119
you just never know with a player like that. He

1405
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,960
does have a decently high floor, but if he loses

1406
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,119
his passion, that sucks. Number seventy two Grayson Halton from

1407
01:04:48,159 --> 01:04:50,800
Oklahoma Guy loved the motor and energy. Seems to bring

1408
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,519
a defensive tackle that wins with speed and closes his

1409
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:56,599
fun to watch. He stretches run plays out by getting

1410
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,440
pushed back. The thought is his frame might be close

1411
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,480
to done, so he might need to stay as a

1412
01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:05,480
rotation player if there's no more upside in size on him.

1413
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:09,280
And Daryl Jackson Junior from Florida State crazy size and

1414
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,400
length gives him an immediate advantage, but he leans on

1415
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,519
his natural size and strength rather than fundamentals, which should

1416
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,920
mean there's way more under the surface. The production was weak,

1417
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,920
never more than four and a half tackle for loss

1418
01:05:22,039 --> 01:05:24,480
or in more than three and a half sacks in

1419
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:28,119
any season. If he doesn't improve, he's just a space clogger.

1420
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:31,559
So I think there's some upside on these guys, you know,

1421
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:35,159
Darryl Jackson, if we get some fundamentals better, Dominic Orange,

1422
01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:39,760
if you know, get a little bit of fire under him,

1423
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,920
and Grayson Halton, if we can add to this frame.

1424
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:44,199
I just don't know if we get it from any

1425
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:45,159
of them.

1426
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:49,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Dominic Orange is my top guy. He's in

1427
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:51,800
the same teariously hunter, which is, like I said, borderline

1428
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:54,280
second round, early third round. I could see him going

1429
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:55,880
in the second round. I have him a little higher

1430
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,559
than that, but I did not read the beast that

1431
01:05:58,719 --> 01:06:00,800
enough that far in that beast part. Yeah, but one

1432
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,880
of the blockers. He's just a massive power profile. That's

1433
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,360
what he is, right. His thing is straight power, and

1434
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,880
it doesn't always show up with actual production. But the

1435
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,599
thing that you notice that I notice, at least when

1436
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:16,159
I watched Dominy orangees he's great for about two and

1437
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:20,320
a half quarters and by the second half. Like he's

1438
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,480
a big boy, right, These guys are huge, like, and

1439
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:24,960
you can see it. He's sucking air, right, and so

1440
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:26,800
I'd love to see him be on the field more.

1441
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:31,199
But does that make him less effective? Right? And I

1442
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,800
the best the tape that to me shows what the

1443
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,440
deficiencies are with Logan, with Dominic Orangear against Iowa. Where

1444
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,119
Logan Jones and we talked about briefly last week, is

1445
01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:46,039
this two hundred and sixty five ish pounds center is

1446
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:48,079
just getting under him and he can't move him like

1447
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,400
Dominic Gornge has probably got one hundred pounds I mean

1448
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,679
not one hundred, but a good seventy five pounds on him,

1449
01:06:52,679 --> 01:06:54,559
and he can't get under him because he's just he

1450
01:06:54,639 --> 01:06:57,760
cannot stay low. And that's the concern that I have

1451
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,239
with him is he's Yes, he's big, he's going into

1452
01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:02,559
play big. There's not much of a sack option in here.

1453
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,880
But I need you to be able to You can't

1454
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:06,639
be getting beat by players that much smart than you, right,

1455
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:07,000
Like I.

1456
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: Need at least I need you to at least push.

1457
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:11,079
Speaker 2: The line backwards. I don't need you to make a sack.

1458
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:12,960
I need you to reset the line and he's not

1459
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:17,000
doing it. So I like Dominic Orange, but it's there's

1460
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,800
more development there than I thought when like when I

1461
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,400
watched him my summer, I was like, that's pretty good,

1462
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,920
and then I kind of watched them and I'm like, eh,

1463
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,719
he's not quite as good as I thought he was.

1464
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,719
Now Grayson Halton I have at seven, So this is

1465
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,599
the same players, but we're talking about I think this

1466
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:33,320
is the highest I've ever ranked a sub three hundred

1467
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,920
pounds defensive tackle. Okay, because this is just they're not

1468
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,599
my they're not my jam. I get it. The league

1469
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:41,400
is going lighter. I look at these smaller defensive linemen

1470
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,159
and I'm like, I don't see it.

1471
01:07:43,719 --> 01:07:46,639
Speaker 1: But the fear is you turn into a one down player.

1472
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:48,760
You're only in there on obvious passing down.

1473
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I shouldn't say that because I had a

1474
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,679
cladge can't hearing pretty high. But other than him, like

1475
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,760
take away him, and I never rank any of these

1476
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,440
dudes as high. But there are some wraps from Gray

1477
01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,559
and Halton and you're like, it's very scheme specific, but man,

1478
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,280
he is so effective at getting like pass rushed from

1479
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,079
the interior. You don't see a lot of these guys

1480
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,760
who can get and just really disrupt from the interior

1481
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,679
very often. He's one of the best. They have a

1482
01:08:11,679 --> 01:08:13,679
great other defensive back that we'll talk about later, I'm

1483
01:08:13,719 --> 01:08:16,199
sure as far as next year. But it's all quickness.

1484
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,239
He's ripping out spin moves from the interior the defensive line,

1485
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:21,680
which you never see. There is a limit to what

1486
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,880
he does because when he starts getting blocked, he starts

1487
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,640
to get off with the blocks. He's just tinier than

1488
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,439
most of these guys are, but he's extremely rangy. There

1489
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,119
are some plays where they stunt him and ar Mason Thomas,

1490
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:37,439
which is just unfair, Like they're both undersized, but they're

1491
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,319
so fast that you have like Armason Thomas is like

1492
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,880
attacking a center and Grayson Halton's offside out there on

1493
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,399
the tackles that those plays were awesome to see when

1494
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:46,600
they would do some of that stuff. But it's a

1495
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,880
very scheme specific player who you want, like you know,

1496
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:54,119
wherever drink Texter Lawrence gets drafted, draft Garson Halton and

1497
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,399
dropping Yeah, ye, Lawn, like that's the type of pick

1498
01:08:56,439 --> 01:09:00,279
fit that fits best for him. Darryl Jackson, Yeah, I

1499
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,920
would love the Packers to take Carrol Jackson. You know,

1500
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,880
if Cabe Banks's with all tail, Jackson's my guy. This

1501
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,840
is the one I really like to see clogging run lanes.

1502
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:10,000
It's there hasn't been a whole lot of development though,

1503
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:11,840
Like he's been in college a lot longer than these guys.

1504
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,199
He's stuck around for four years. And I think if

1505
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:16,520
I had talked about Daryl Jackson last year, we would

1506
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,760
have had the same things. It's a lot of power,

1507
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:24,399
kind of a space clogger, not super twitchy, but crazy measurements.

1508
01:09:25,079 --> 01:09:27,000
Can can really do things in like a one on

1509
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:29,920
one situation, but when teams throw a double team, Adam,

1510
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:32,199
are you giving me a whole lot? And he's just

1511
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:34,000
not He's just kind of holding up space in there,

1512
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:36,279
which is fine. And I don't think he always tackles

1513
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,920
very well. He gets to the ball carry, he just

1514
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,399
doesn't always get him on the ground. He's a he's

1515
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,720
a very clear like round three player. To me, I

1516
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,479
would not I don't want him to go on round two,

1517
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,119
like if I talk about the packers here, like, don't

1518
01:09:47,119 --> 01:09:48,600
take him around too like, but if he's there in

1519
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,199
a round three, you go ahead and you can deaf

1520
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:52,279
Daryl Jackson. I think you're just gonna get a solid player,

1521
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,239
but probably never like Grayson Holton is way more upside

1522
01:09:55,239 --> 01:09:57,399
just because of a pass rushing that offer that he offers.

1523
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,159
Carl Jackson is just gonna be solid for you.

1524
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,239
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these fourth round players. Now

1525
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,159
this is the opposite because we have two edg rushers

1526
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:08,920
here an eight interior defensive linemen that are listed according

1527
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,920
to mock Draft database in the fourth round. We'll go

1528
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,159
through these quicker since we're already at an hour. But

1529
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,079
lt Overton from Alabama. I got him as a three

1530
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:19,760
to four end or push in that might have a

1531
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,479
lot more once he develops. And Anthony Lucas great athlete

1532
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,840
that should pop off the page, but loses more than

1533
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:29,359
he wins. Sometimes maybe it's because you know he's lated

1534
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,680
or has a hard time diagnosing plays. I don't know

1535
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,560
what it is, but he just seems a step behind.

1536
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:35,319
Lots of meat on the bone, but not sure if

1537
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:38,279
it will happen. Are these your fourth round ed rushers,

1538
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:40,359
Because in the fifth round, I feel like I like

1539
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:44,600
Maxwell and Caden Curry and the domine Tucker maybe even

1540
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,720
more definitely more than Lucas. Maybe not more than Overton.

1541
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 2: So I have Anthony Lucas right behind Joshua josephs and

1542
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,600
I had a Denied and a Sutton, so he's actually

1543
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,720
in the that tier two. I do like Anthony Lucas

1544
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,479
because I think it's just this crazy athlete, Like that's

1545
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,800
what you're getting with him. Now, he's one another one

1546
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,159
if they just played him at edge right, I don't

1547
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:08,000
know what USC's defense. We'll talk about it in the

1548
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,760
defensive backs and we talk about some of their safeties.

1549
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,279
I don't know why they just decided to take all

1550
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:13,239
their good players and say play a different position this year,

1551
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:17,279
because it made no sense. But he's basically playing outside linebacker.

1552
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,680
But he'd be so good as an edge Man's long

1553
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,000
arms allow him to just counter when engage with the blocker,

1554
01:11:22,359 --> 01:11:25,760
can get into the backfield with physicality, looks to get

1555
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,800
to the inside shoulder, and then they'll pu they're asking

1556
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,560
him to dropping a coverage, and I just don't quite

1557
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,680
get why they did that. But I do like Anthony Lucas.

1558
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:35,279
Who else we mentioned in this round? LT Overton, So,

1559
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,119
Joshua Joseph, Anthony Ucas, Tonight Sutton. You mentioned Max Llewellen's

1560
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:42,000
that finishes out a tier for me, and then lt

1561
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:47,199
Overton is in the following tier another one. He shouldn't

1562
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,079
be an edge like, he's not an edge player. He

1563
01:11:49,159 --> 01:11:52,039
should be kicked inside like he's to me, this is

1564
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:56,520
like Kmark Keldrick Falk, where Keldrick Falk they ask him

1565
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,199
to play inside and he can do it like ELTI

1566
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:02,279
Overton just should play in. He met he makes much

1567
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:05,079
more of an packed in there with his athletic tools.

1568
01:12:05,079 --> 01:12:07,359
But at this point, like at the outside, he's just

1569
01:12:07,359 --> 01:12:09,840
a hold up player, like he's just standing out there

1570
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,399
and eating space, whereas he's not really making a play

1571
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:14,720
into the backfield to me, and I just think that

1572
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,560
it's a lot. The NFL team that drafts him should say, you're,

1573
01:12:19,319 --> 01:12:21,840
you know, put on ten pounds, get to two ninety five,

1574
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,079
your Carl Brooks that you know, I watched the Crackers

1575
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,039
right like, That's that's what he should become. To me,

1576
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:27,880
is something like that, And that's somebody I want to

1577
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,840
take on Day three rather than in the third round.

1578
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: Wouldn't hate him as an end for like a three

1579
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,880
or four front, so it could be good there as well.

1580
01:12:36,359 --> 01:12:39,560
Any other ed rushers will kind of finish out talking

1581
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,239
about Ed rushers Kayden Curry Tucker. Both the Florida guys

1582
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,920
are in the six rounds, sapping gums. We have your

1583
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,800
boy Mason Rieger down here, who is very good at

1584
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:52,000
the Shrine game, My guy Tray Moore who's just a

1585
01:12:52,039 --> 01:12:55,439
little bit undersized. And then we have like you know,

1586
01:12:55,560 --> 01:13:00,159
quin Tavius Hutchins, Jeremiah Williams, Logan Fano, Vincent Anthony Junior,

1587
01:13:01,039 --> 01:13:03,119
anybody else that you like down here.

1588
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,359
Speaker 2: So Max llewell And is the top one we haven't

1589
01:13:05,399 --> 01:13:07,520
talked about. He's in that same tier with Joshua Joseph,

1590
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,600
Anthony Lucas and Identis Sutton and me. It's just, I mean,

1591
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,520
another one like Iwoad just seems to find these players

1592
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,039
who are fairly good defensive lineman who can drop into

1593
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:18,840
an NFL scheme, whether it's a three four or four

1594
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,119
to three and make an impact six five, two fifty eight.

1595
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:24,479
He's really long, he plays really long. I'm dee Tucker

1596
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,520
is right ahead of lt Overton. There was before he

1597
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,159
went to the Senior Bowl. I actually had him higher. I

1598
01:13:30,199 --> 01:13:32,079
thought he got a little I mean, that's what you

1599
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:33,279
want to see right. This is why these guys go

1600
01:13:33,359 --> 01:13:35,159
to the Senior Bowl is can you handle it against

1601
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:37,359
the tougher competition. And I thought he struggled a little

1602
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:39,199
bit more in that competition than I was hoping to see,

1603
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:40,920
so I dropped him down. Otherwise I had him up

1604
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,720
in like the same range. Just ares me too, man.

1605
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: I had him so I think I watched him a

1606
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:49,560
lot in maction. Oh god, this Tucker guy's pretty good,

1607
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,920
you know. I think he's somebody good. And then you're right,

1608
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,560
the Senior Bowl is kind of like, well, maybe it

1609
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,239
was level competition there, but we'll see.

1610
01:13:57,239 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: We still on him. Mason Rieger, you mentioned him, he's

1611
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,319
right low LTI overten. I don't know how you say it.

1612
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:06,720
Is it Najaque Kelly the other UCF edge rushers, right, yeah,

1613
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:09,760
I think it's Nag Kelly the other UCF edge rusher

1614
01:14:10,079 --> 01:14:13,720
six five two sixty five? So that's the same Malecki.

1615
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,920
Lawrence gets all the highlights. I like the Nagi Kelly

1616
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,560
guy too, though, man like he's long off.

1617
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: Rules on that line too. You see, have had a

1618
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,239
pretty good line. Yeah, good for the man. We love it.

1619
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: And Kadan Curry you mentioned Terry Sap Terry Sapp six

1620
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,800
three two seventy two. Another one where he's a good

1621
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,640
run defender right now. He just doesn't offer nearly enough

1622
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,319
as a pass rush player at this point. But uh,

1623
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:35,720
I think those are pretty much the main ones that

1624
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:36,920
we need to talk about.

1625
01:14:37,239 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: The fourth round interior defensive lineman. I mean, there's so

1626
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,960
many of them. Kaylen Proctor from Southeast Louisiana's at one

1627
01:14:43,039 --> 01:14:47,239
twelve small front interior defensive guy. Uh, He's an awesome athlete,

1628
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:49,479
needs to add a little muscle, develop a little more,

1629
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,560
not a long shot, be longer than some others. High

1630
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:57,720
floor or high ceiling slash low floor player with fixable issues.

1631
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:01,479
Chris McClellan from Missouri one sixteen high floor with an

1632
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,039
interesting ceiling. McLean is at worst a space clogger that

1633
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:07,319
will occasionally put pressure up the middle. But he got

1634
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:09,640
better each year and if he keeps growing in the NFL,

1635
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,439
I really feel like this guy's a limit for christmain Cleon.

1636
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:15,119
I like him a lot now. Xavi and Harris from Ole,

1637
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:19,840
miss kalais campbell upside massive frames six seven three thirty,

1638
01:15:20,039 --> 01:15:23,479
but he's top heavy and upright, he lacks fundamentals because

1639
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,880
of his conditioning plus an ugly DV arrest a dui

1640
01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:29,840
arras plus surgery after the combine. I mean that's gonna

1641
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,880
drop him probably the fifth or sixth round. Dante Corleon

1642
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,159
very strong space clogger that can overwhelm when he gets singled,

1643
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:43,640
but has very little, very little lateral movement ability, weight

1644
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,960
issues issues, and injuries like I want to put him

1645
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,760
in with Orange big titest there, but he's just he's

1646
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,119
too hurt and he doesn't move as well. Ray Shawn

1647
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,880
Benny might not be ready to contribute this year at

1648
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:00,520
number one thirty four, but he he needs to add

1649
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,600
size veelp counters if he can stay on the field.

1650
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,960
He offers more upside than the space cloggers, but should

1651
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,479
go to a team that doesn't have to play him

1652
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,119
at all in Week one. Zane Durant from Penn State

1653
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:14,479
another upside player that has shown a lot of flashes.

1654
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,079
Playing with some really strong players at PSU squat build

1655
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:20,600
gives him leverage that he pairs with power, and he's

1656
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,600
still light for an interior guy and can get pushed

1657
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,840
off a spot sometimes. Demonte kpe part I feel like

1658
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:32,520
from evaluators is so much higher more upside than most

1659
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,880
of the IDLs here, but more downside as well. Great

1660
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,239
athlete and size with size and wingspan, he gets rigid

1661
01:16:40,279 --> 01:16:44,039
though he doesn't use counters well for flashes of such

1662
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:47,079
heavy hands. He battled injuries and had an arrest for

1663
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:49,880
a firearm on campus. And then Tim Keenan, the third

1664
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,119
from Alabama, might be the most pro ready of any

1665
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:54,920
of these guys in this round that we've talked about,

1666
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,960
but his upside I think is more limited than the

1667
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,319
rest of the guys here. Team Captain's strong ability to

1668
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:01,800
follow the running down the line at his weight, but

1669
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:05,359
short arms limit his moves, size limits his speed and range.

1670
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,720
So that's the group of interior defensive lineman. There's only

1671
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,359
two in the fifth. It's Nick Barrett from South Carolina,

1672
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:14,800
who I also like, and then Tyler onied him from

1673
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,520
A and M who got Albert Regis. I know a

1674
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,000
lot of people really like from A and M. At

1675
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:24,000
one ninety four, Landon Robinson's undersize from Navy, and then Campbell.

1676
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:26,119
You liked a little bit of Bryce and Easton from

1677
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,560
what we saw from the Senior Bowl. Jordan Vandenburg flashed

1678
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,880
a lot when watching Georgia Tech, so who do you

1679
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,119
like out of this big group of interior defensive linemen here, top.

1680
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: One I have from the players you mentioned is Chris mcclellen.

1681
01:17:40,079 --> 01:17:42,039
He's actually had a Daryl Jackson junior for me, so

1682
01:17:42,079 --> 01:17:45,319
he is right between Grayson Halton and Darryl Jackson, which

1683
01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:47,800
makes up that's a tier, right, That's my third tier,

1684
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,439
which is like basically round three. You said it like

1685
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,640
Chris mccleown's getting better all of the time, and it

1686
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:58,720
shows up like you watch him this year and you're like,

1687
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,880
I just admit, I didn't not have anything like Chris

1688
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,840
mclonell ond of the year. I didn't expect him to

1689
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:04,600
get drafted at all. And by the end of the year,

1690
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:06,760
I've got stuff in here, like very impressive hold up

1691
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,319
ability in the run game. He's going to be one

1692
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:10,279
of the guys I really like. They try to pull

1693
01:18:10,279 --> 01:18:11,720
a tight end on, I mean, just removes him from

1694
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,159
the play. Great leverage player, a big time rip move.

1695
01:18:15,399 --> 01:18:18,640
He is looking to initiate contact. He just needs more

1696
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,359
of a counter move when the pull rush doesn't really work.

1697
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,520
And he can also lose gap containment because he's looking

1698
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,479
to jump gaps. It's a kind of a different defensive

1699
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,319
line type of approach, but it works really well with him.

1700
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:34,039
So he's my top one that right after Darryl Jackson.

1701
01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:36,399
So this would be the end of my tenth interior

1702
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,920
player is Xavian Harris. And you mentioned all the off

1703
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,159
field stuff. I don't even know how to score that.

1704
01:18:42,279 --> 01:18:44,920
Like there are teams that will not even put him

1705
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:47,359
on their board, I'm sure, or there are teams that

1706
01:18:47,359 --> 01:18:49,319
won't even consider him. But then there are teams that

1707
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:51,520
are gonna say, you know, hopefully they'll do all their

1708
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,760
vetting that they need to and then they'll be like, wait,

1709
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,399
you're six to seven, how big are you? And you

1710
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,119
move like this because you can look at him and

1711
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:01,479
you can say, like you can Rieman something like what

1712
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,079
the big guy out of Kentucky Dion Walker? Oh yeah,

1713
01:19:07,199 --> 01:19:09,840
if you can dream on something like that. There, he's

1714
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,239
just a player of his side who can move extremely well.

1715
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,000
And I would say for a player that that's that big,

1716
01:19:15,079 --> 01:19:17,319
like he doesn't lose gas by the end of the game,

1717
01:19:17,359 --> 01:19:19,800
Like I'd feel like he goes pretty strong into the

1718
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,319
fourth quarter. And there's a lot of these guys.

1719
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 1: Some kicks too, yep, oh yeah, yeah.

1720
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:27,199
Speaker 2: Two block kicks is here because he's just six seven, man.

1721
01:19:27,039 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: Like, that's play is Campbell?

1722
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 2: You said plays Campbell? I said, Dean Walker whatever, Like,

1723
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,239
there are just not very many players that are that

1724
01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:36,960
size who can do what he can do. But the

1725
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,840
offield stuff sucks. Uh. I actually have Tyler on Yetam

1726
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:44,840
right after his Avian Harris, which is twelve there, undersized

1727
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,159
Cayler Proctor's right behind him. I'll just lump those two together.

1728
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:49,960
They are both really undersized. Caler Practor seems to be

1729
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,640
getting a lot of hype. Heer at the very end

1730
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,920
of the draft season or a draft cycle.

1731
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't think I watched a lot of

1732
01:19:57,199 --> 01:19:59,319
him until he moved into the one hundreds because he

1733
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:02,680
was like a two way guy on mock draft database

1734
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,600
for a long time and then he just jumped to

1735
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,319
one twelve. I was like, Okay, I guess I need

1736
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:07,439
to see Caleb Proctor here.

1737
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,239
Speaker 2: So I watched the LSU game, right. They played LSU

1738
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:11,760
this year, So I think it's a Louisiana did because

1739
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,319
it's so hard to find film on these FCS level prospects.

1740
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,319
But like, even against LSU, he's splitting double teams. He

1741
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,359
got two sacks in that game, including one on a

1742
01:20:20,399 --> 01:20:23,840
twist which showed some pretty good lateral ability. Doesn't have

1743
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,239
a ton of excess other than those couple of sacks,

1744
01:20:26,279 --> 01:20:29,039
but it was good. I mean, he's undersized. You mentioned

1745
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:31,520
when we were talking about just team fits, right J. J.

1746
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,920
Pageeze earlier. That's that's who reminds me of from last year,

1747
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,640
who's kind of an undersized defensive lineman. Right after him,

1748
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,119
I had my boy. He mentioned Bryce and Easton. I

1749
01:20:39,159 --> 01:20:41,279
don't know. I just I think he's good. But again,

1750
01:20:41,359 --> 01:20:43,800
it's a Tennessee defensive tackle who's going in and out

1751
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,880
and playing thirty snaps a game. But when I see him,

1752
01:20:46,039 --> 01:20:47,039
I think he's pretty good.

1753
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:49,119
Speaker 1: Well good at the Senior Bawl, right, Like that's what

1754
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:50,840
you want to see if you don't see enough snaps

1755
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,880
during the regular season. His strong performance at the Senior

1756
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,720
Bowl and he had that. So I think he's gonna surprise,

1757
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,960
Like I think people are gonna say he's boordline draftable.

1758
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:01,760
I think he's going to go like end a round

1759
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:02,760
four early round five.

1760
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 2: That's where I That's exactly where I have him and

1761
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,039
the other one that I have in that same range

1762
01:21:06,079 --> 01:21:08,119
or Elbert Regis and you mentioned Nick Barrett. Nick Barrett

1763
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:11,159
is also he is my fifteenth defensive lineman, which is

1764
01:21:11,239 --> 01:21:14,079
like border line round four, round five if you need

1765
01:21:14,199 --> 01:21:18,319
a throwback nose tackle, like just to eat space and

1766
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,000
he's not going to make a ton of plays like

1767
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:22,960
I have the comparison of Danny Shelton, who is for

1768
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:23,640
a long time just.

1769
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: A big Seahampton.

1770
01:21:25,159 --> 01:21:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, big guys who is surprisingly good at pursuing the ball,

1771
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:31,680
but can just eat space and is going to take

1772
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:34,680
multiple defenders to get to your linebackers. That is what

1773
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,119
Nick Barrett offers, and he's really good at it. Behind him,

1774
01:21:38,159 --> 01:21:41,159
you mentioned Kate Part and Dante Corleone. I have them

1775
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:45,920
at sixteen and seventeen. I want to like, Doantay kay

1776
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,000
Part has you like a ton of upside. It's all

1777
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,960
in there, but there's just so little production, Like this

1778
01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:54,319
entire Clemson team, there's just so little. You watch him

1779
01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:56,359
and you're like, okay, you have a one on one

1780
01:21:56,359 --> 01:21:58,199
rep beer because Peter Woods is getting the double team.

1781
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,159
Why are you not beating this? And instead he'll just

1782
01:22:01,159 --> 01:22:04,600
get stalled and just stalled and then he'll eventually you'll

1783
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,119
see some reps it's like if you just watch the

1784
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:10,000
ten best plays of demonte K part yes, yeah, top

1785
01:22:10,039 --> 01:22:11,680
ten play, Like you could say he is certainly in

1786
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,159
the top ten at defensive line and it should be

1787
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:14,399
a definite top one hunderd pick.

1788
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:16,199
Speaker 1: But then he want to learn how to use those

1789
01:22:16,199 --> 01:22:21,760
weapons better. His hands are so heavy, man heavy heavy hands.

1790
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:24,239
He really gets pushed. But he needs to learn how

1791
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:27,279
to you know, the counters. He needs to work on

1792
01:22:27,319 --> 01:22:27,720
that a lot.

1793
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:30,279
Speaker 2: And then like six seasons at Clemson and he played

1794
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:33,159
a total of eight hundred and thirty eight snaps. Eight

1795
01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:36,600
hundred snaps in six years. Man, Like that's crazy how

1796
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,600
little he's actually on the field. And if so, you

1797
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,000
should be fresh when you're out there. You better be fresh.

1798
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,039
You better be giving the impact blaze. And he just

1799
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:48,039
doesn't do it often enough, dont corleone. His thing is

1800
01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:50,560
I have some concerns about like, so he had the

1801
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,119
blood clots the year before, right, Yeah, I don't that

1802
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,840
teams are gonna want to answer that. And he's got

1803
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,039
some weird measurables to the point where it's kind of

1804
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:01,880
like poona Ford, which which is an odd body shape

1805
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:05,359
which can be successful, but it's not always it's hard

1806
01:23:05,399 --> 01:23:09,319
to be successful at that size. Tim Keenan's right below

1807
01:23:09,359 --> 01:23:10,960
that you mentioned like a safe floor player. I think

1808
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,640
he's a safe floor player. I have Zaye Durant, then

1809
01:23:15,239 --> 01:23:17,880
small Adon Robinson and Robinson I can't believe to get

1810
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,079
invited to the combine. That's like the most ridiculous strange

1811
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,560
not ever, because he would have dominated at the combine

1812
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,600
didn't get invited there. He will get picked. I'm not

1813
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,399
at all worried that he's going to get picked. He's

1814
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,960
just extremely small. I think you pretty much nailed everybody

1815
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,479
else that we have to talk about here.

1816
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,399
Speaker 1: Next year's class just real quick looking at this, I

1817
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:39,880
mean we have Colin Simmons and Dylan Stewart inside the

1818
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:43,960
top ten here, like, uh so those two guys you're

1819
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,640
gonna want to watch a lot of at edge. You

1820
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,399
have some borderline first rount guys right now, like I

1821
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:55,000
like Kenyata Jackson, Matteil, you know you young gal a Ouilan.

1822
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 2: How he got it back? You got it?

1823
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: My god, it a while.

1824
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: He didn't think you'd have to say it. Ndya.

1825
01:24:01,039 --> 01:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I was hoping. Elijah Rushing also on that line. Very good,

1826
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,600
Damon Wilson junior from Miami much easier for me to say.

1827
01:24:09,279 --> 01:24:12,159
But the interior of the defensive line, man, we got

1828
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:15,039
three guys inside the top fifteen. Jordan Ross from LSU

1829
01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:17,960
so much fun to watch, David Stone from Oklahoma I'm

1830
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,640
more a Washington, big, big dude from Oregon. Jane Jackson

1831
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,720
from Oklahoma State is at nineteen, and we have Justin

1832
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:29,000
Scott from Miami murd Watson from Texas, all inside the

1833
01:24:29,039 --> 01:24:32,399
top twenty six. So top heavy on the interior, but

1834
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:37,000
two premier edge rushers in Colin Simmons Dylan Swort that

1835
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,680
might be picked in the top five picks. So very

1836
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,039
good class coming in along the defensive line.

1837
01:24:43,039 --> 01:24:45,399
Speaker 2: It looks like, yeah, and I said, we don't always

1838
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,079
like to look a year ahead, but I can't as

1839
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:52,600
good as I think that David Bailey will be. I'm

1840
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,319
fairly confident based off of and I haven't done anything

1841
01:24:56,039 --> 01:24:58,159
like formal on these guys that Dylan Stewart and Colin

1842
01:24:58,199 --> 01:25:01,199
Simmons would have been ahead of him, just watching them

1843
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:02,720
with the eye test some of the things that they

1844
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,399
can do, or just that's the that's the Chase Young,

1845
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,359
that's the Bosas, that's Mika Parsons, the really really top

1846
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:13,239
end Ad Drushers. I had Mateo will Alcola le like

1847
01:25:13,359 --> 01:25:14,960
he went back late. I had him with the first

1848
01:25:15,039 --> 01:25:16,840
round grade this year. I think he was about like seven.

1849
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,960
He was right in that range. I really like Quincy

1850
01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:22,119
Roads is a super long defensive lineman who I thought

1851
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:23,560
he started the year awesome and I thought he was

1852
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:24,640
going to come out and then he got I don't

1853
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:26,439
remember if he got hurt or he just slowed down.

1854
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,920
Booba Cartre Ray's got a six spin move like it

1855
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,600
is awesome. Yeah, he's the one I think it was.

1856
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,199
He was the one who got Francisco Mawa NOA in

1857
01:25:36,199 --> 01:25:38,279
the very first game when they played Miami with that

1858
01:25:38,399 --> 01:25:41,840
spin move. Antosanka. I've had a scouting report in Anto

1859
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,680
Senka for at least the last two cycles when he

1860
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,800
was at Northwestern. Now he's doing the thing that it

1861
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,760
seems every defensive lineman does, which is transferred to Texas

1862
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,399
A and M for their last year for whatever reason.

1863
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:53,640
That's the spot where they're all like, we're gonna go there.

1864
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:55,359
Speaker 1: Pretty a lot of money.

1865
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have a lot of money, that's true.

1866
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:58,720
It worked well for David Bailey Man good luck for you.

1867
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,159
Anto Sank could be this year's Princeivilleumn Mellen. He was

1868
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,880
Prince Lee and Mining millions brother and also just ranking

1869
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,720
a transfer to LSU. And then for the interior guys.

1870
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,880
I mentioned it under Grace and Halton that he's good.

1871
01:26:11,039 --> 01:26:13,119
The thing is, when you're watching him, you're like, wow, wait,

1872
01:26:13,159 --> 01:26:16,279
who's this guy next to him? David Stone is a

1873
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,680
machine like. He looks like a truly dominant interior player

1874
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:23,800
that we haven't seen in a while. We talk about

1875
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,079
that we're not going to have any and probably the

1876
01:26:25,119 --> 01:26:28,199
top half of the first round this year. David Stone

1877
01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:30,640
looks like a top half of the first round defensive tackled.

1878
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,439
To me, I have not done Jordan Ross enough yet,

1879
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:37,119
Amari Washington and Barry Alexander. I did because Oregon I

1880
01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:38,760
got all these convinced all these guys to go back

1881
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,560
to school, which is awesome, good for them. But I

1882
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,600
thought Amury Washington was going to go out this year too,

1883
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,239
and he would have been hunter.

1884
01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 1: He yeah, I mean he might have been. After the testing,

1885
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:50,920
he might have been real high.

1886
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 2: Those guys are really good. I actually did Anthony Smith

1887
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:55,159
too because I thought he was gonna go out this year.

1888
01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:57,119
I didn't even realize until like a week and a

1889
01:26:57,119 --> 01:26:59,279
half ago that he had went back, but he was.

1890
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 1: We just got on Heinikey to go back like last week, right.

1891
01:27:04,079 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: Imagine like imagine that you've done all this scouting on

1892
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,479
one Heineke and you're like, we're getting ready to draft

1893
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,359
him and you're like, oh no, he's going back so

1894
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,079
to way to really speed up the process and that one.

1895
01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:17,319
But yeah, he's going back to Oklahoma too. So Barre

1896
01:27:17,319 --> 01:27:19,800
Alexander has been in college for seemingly ever and has

1897
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,640
been at Georgia and USC and Oregon. It just keeps

1898
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:25,319
chasing the bag and doesn't always show up to play.

1899
01:27:25,319 --> 01:27:30,039
But there are also some really there are some really

1900
01:27:30,039 --> 01:27:31,960
fun reps that he's kind of like de monte Ca

1901
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:35,800
part where if you just watch a highlight, you're like, man, yeah, dude, wow,

1902
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:37,600
where did he come from? And then you're like, oh wait,

1903
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:39,560
he only shows up for like three plays a game

1904
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:40,560
and the rest of the time he kind of takes

1905
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,079
the plays off. But yeah, man, next year, next year

1906
01:27:44,279 --> 01:27:45,479
as good as this year is, and I do not

1907
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:47,319
want to like short change this year. I think there

1908
01:27:47,319 --> 01:27:49,239
are some very good defensive line players in this class.

1909
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:52,880
I think if your team takes takes them, especially the

1910
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,720
interior players on day two. I think there's a lot

1911
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,159
of really good ones in the top that are going

1912
01:27:56,199 --> 01:27:59,800
to go in the top one fifty. But next year, man,

1913
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:01,800
are gonna be some really high end ones.

1914
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,399
Speaker 1: I think the ugliness of this class is not going

1915
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,720
to come from the players necessarily. It's gonna come from

1916
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,960
where they go right, because it's gonna be like, oh, man,

1917
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,479
you could have had Crawford who developed into a great

1918
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:19,520
pass rusher, but you took Romelo Height instead and he

1919
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:21,880
did nothing right. Like I think that is gonna be

1920
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,840
the issue within this classes. You're gonna have some of

1921
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,159
these guys that are kind of lotto tickets hit and

1922
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:30,079
some of them miss, and it's just gonna make the

1923
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:32,960
misses look extra bad because those guys that hit hit

1924
01:28:33,039 --> 01:28:36,399
so well. So but that is it for the UH

1925
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:39,319
for the entire defensive line. We'll be back to talking

1926
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:43,399
linebackers much shorter show tomorrow, and then defensive backs is

1927
01:28:43,399 --> 01:28:46,159
another long one, so stick with us. We will have

1928
01:28:46,319 --> 01:28:49,199
all your positional breakdowns ahead of the twenty twenty six

1929
01:28:49,319 --> 01:28:53,279
NFL Draft at Boglin Sports. For me at cop I

1930
01:28:53,359 --> 01:28:55,960
EPs for ck ck. What's coming up this week for you.

1931
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 2: I'll have some baseball stuff that I am looking forward

1932
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,439
to hanging up with my guy Scott Bagman during at

1933
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:03,359
least part of the first round of the NFL Draft.

1934
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:04,800
I have some other stuff I might have to do,

1935
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,479
but I will be there for sure with you and

1936
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,119
Day two as well. Day three. I can oftend this year.

1937
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Day two. I don't know if I can attend now

1938
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:14,640
because FP wants me to do the entire third round

1939
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,840
in the beginning of the second round, so I may

1940
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,520
I may have to skip the stream for the second round,

1941
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,720
but we'll definitely be back for Day three at least

1942
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,680
to talk about what's happening and kind of give you

1943
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:27,560
a preview of how we see these guys laying out

1944
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:30,399
in terms of redrafts and dynasty and all that good stuff,

1945
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:33,520
you know, depending on where they land. But yeah, just

1946
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,079
I mean, for me, it's all draft this week. Obviously,

1947
01:29:36,119 --> 01:29:39,279
I have a couple of baseball pods with well she there,

1948
01:29:39,319 --> 01:29:43,039
but I will be all on NFL stuff this week.

1949
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:47,760
Check out check me out on the fpeat stream both days.

1950
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,119
But I will be here Day one as well, and

1951
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:52,760
we'll have cee knes avire so lots to go over

1952
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:54,680
and that will be it for us for now, but

1953
01:29:54,720 --> 01:30:13,119
we will see you guys tomorrow. Take it easy, everybody,