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<v Speaker 1>What happens in Vegas should always stay there. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>if it did, Whole k Are wouldn't care. Leeds were

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<v Speaker 1>on fire Wigan as well. Did the whole teams even

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<v Speaker 1>turn up? It was too hard to tell. Another winner

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<v Speaker 1>this week is nicknamed the Wire, the Giants and Catalans.

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<v Speaker 1>They were pretty dire. There's only one team still stuck

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<v Speaker 1>on Notughe. Lee and John are back to give you

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<v Speaker 1>their thoughts. Welcome to the eleventh episode of Super League

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top tier of

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<v Speaker 1>British rugby league. My name is Lee poet Laureate Addison.

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<v Speaker 2>And my name is John Avidson. That's a lovely. Another

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<v Speaker 2>lovely in Trolie.

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<v Speaker 1>Our mate James Varley sent me one too. He's another

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<v Speaker 1>one who sent me something five minutes before the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We're expecting it to get in, so I told him

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<v Speaker 1>where to shove it down. I'm a coach in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>John a journo in the UK. Please read the script

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<v Speaker 1>of this pod or listen to old pods. Trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make our introduction shorter because when we did the Old

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<v Speaker 1>Ashes podcast that was half the podcast. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast is being aired on Ashes Rugby League still I

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<v Speaker 1>would like you all to transfer over though if you can.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's definitely on the Rugby League Coach podcast platforms.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if you stay on them, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as Rugby League Coach YouTube so if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it as a visual so if you subscribe to

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<v Speaker 1>those you won't miss a thing. And we're also on

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League dot Com with Steve Mascod, Jason Costigan and

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<v Speaker 1>the guys John Obviously we've just had Vegas. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that soon. But the John Tweet of the Week,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rugby League Tweet of the Week, the Socials pop up,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee of the Week, Johnny's Job, Lee's laugh, Media watch

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<v Speaker 1>every segment. There's only one winner this week, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is the fact that you were mistaken identity on X

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<v Speaker 1>this week. What the hell happened?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's It's been one of the more bizarre weeks

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. I would have to say forty four

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<v Speaker 2>years of my life being mistaken for the Scottish Tourett's

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<v Speaker 2>campaign of John Davidson, who accidentally said a racial slur

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<v Speaker 2>on the bafters last Sunday night, and yeah, got mistaken

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter and then yeah, it went viral for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a bit of a surreal week. Yeah, very

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<v Speaker 2>hard to kind of put into words.

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<v Speaker 1>Give us some numbers. How many days have you had

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with it? How many impressions or retweets did

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<v Speaker 1>you get to any how many followers?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have written a piece on Patreon titled tag

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<v Speaker 2>Trolled and Trending My accidental Baftis Storm, which is free

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<v Speaker 2>to read for anyone on Patreon. But I haven't checked

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<v Speaker 2>the latest numbers, but yeah, it was even today. I've

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<v Speaker 2>still had a few tweets. Someone tagged me in something

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought I was that John Davidson. But I've

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<v Speaker 2>had I've had impressions for some of my tweets for

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<v Speaker 2>about two million. I think some of them have ranged one,

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<v Speaker 2>one million, two million, a few different ones. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've added about four thousand followers. Yeah, I had approaches

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<v Speaker 2>from media, potential TV appearance which didn't happen. Just a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a really bizarre week. I mean, it's taught

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<v Speaker 2>me a few things, but I've just tried to combat

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<v Speaker 2>up with a bit of humor and a bit of levity.

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<v Speaker 1>And what has it taught you?

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<v Speaker 2>John?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be philosophical for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taught me that we do live in a world

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<v Speaker 2>where people liked the vent, particularly online. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>say I didn't know you Lee, and I came across

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<v Speaker 2>one of your posts on Facebook, and I know you

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<v Speaker 2>get this a lot anyway, but you know, I might

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<v Speaker 2>just say, oh, well, who's this guy. He's an fing

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<v Speaker 2>c barb.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you did before we got to know each other.

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<v Speaker 2>The difference with mainly is I thought it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>But people just love to vent and abuse, and they

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<v Speaker 2>don't generally think about the consequences. They don't even usually

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<v Speaker 2>think clearly if they're venting at the right person. But

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<v Speaker 2>people were just angry about everything these days. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one thing I learned. And the other thing I

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<v Speaker 2>learned is that people then like to go in and

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<v Speaker 2>abuse that person who is either trolling someone else, particularly

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<v Speaker 2>if they're doing it wrongly, as in the stake and identity.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been I've been attacked by I would say

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<v Speaker 2>I've been attacked by some people, maybe in the African

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<v Speaker 2>American community, and then I've been defended by some racists

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<v Speaker 2>and right wingers and then most of the people have

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<v Speaker 2>just enjoyed the banter and the circus. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>the common thing that we all have in the world

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<v Speaker 2>is everyone enjoys a joke. And yeah, that's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I've learned. I've also learned that we're all

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<v Speaker 2>a bit mad and some people don't like to admit

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<v Speaker 2>when they're wrong. And I will firstly say, I'm wrong

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<v Speaker 2>most of the time and a lot of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll put my hand up when I am wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>or I at least try to.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's allegations that there's Russian interference in elections in

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<v Speaker 1>England and America. Will I can promise you there was

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<v Speaker 1>there was Australian interference in some of these exes. Because

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast numbers have gone through the roof this week.

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<v Speaker 2>Mate. Well, I've also had fifty quids worth of free

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<v Speaker 2>coffees me thanks to those people. Yeah. I think my

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<v Speaker 2>people kept saying because I have I do have a

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<v Speaker 2>verified account, but you know, hopefully I made some money.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I made maybe about fifty bucks from Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>in a week. Say, look, I'll take that.

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<v Speaker 1>Better kicking the swingers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've had a bit of abuse as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of the tweets where I said, if every

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<v Speaker 2>one can calm down, jokingly, I'm going to go and

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<v Speaker 2>pick up my door from school if everyone can calm down,

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<v Speaker 2>and someone responded, f you and your daughter, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit like at me. You don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>aim it at my daughter as I as I explained

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<v Speaker 2>in my piece, I've got lots and I know you

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<v Speaker 2>have to. I've got lots of abuse, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes bullying, intimidation, legal threats, you you get used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's probably given me a thicker skin than the

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<v Speaker 2>average joe. So yeah, you try and deal with it

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<v Speaker 2>with a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>X seems a bit worse than Facebook, and my my

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<v Speaker 1>don't think X is quite as big in Australia, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think X has taken me longer to have any

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<v Speaker 1>kind of real presence on there, and I still, I still,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. Really it's whereas in England it's a cess

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<v Speaker 1>pit and America.

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<v Speaker 2>In my experience, I think I joined X or Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>four five whatever, it's gone a lot worse because one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things he did when he started, he sacked

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eighty percent of the workplace, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the people who were like regulating comments, you know, racials

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that are just gone. So it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>much more of a cesspit than it ever was in

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<v Speaker 1>At least it got us some new listeners and knew

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<v Speaker 1>some new followers and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>I had my five minutes of favorite and I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the Times on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>So give give, give you contact details for nice tweets.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the people who are coming actually for Rugby League

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<v Speaker 2>and not for the Rett's, Benter or Simpson memes. It

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<v Speaker 2>is Johnny D. Davidson at well Johnny D. Davidson and

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook at John Davidson Journalists and on Patreon at

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<v Speaker 2>Rugby League AUP dot com long rate.

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<v Speaker 1>And on that note, you've had some people contact you

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<v Speaker 1>and tag me in on X with some questions and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get really good questions. Yeah, Phil Gilberts, and this

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<v Speaker 1>could tech was in any direction, So stay tuned for

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas and all the updates on the news and the

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<v Speaker 1>match reviews. Phil Gilbert, or should I say at Zippy

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<v Speaker 1>Archie said, despite all games now live on TV. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like as a match going fan, I am not

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<v Speaker 1>getting any benefit games played at the same time, many

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<v Speaker 1>behind the red button so or can't be recorded, and

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<v Speaker 1>poor production values, no clock, no scoreboard. Is it time

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<v Speaker 1>that the RFL pushback against Sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's a really good question. I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a number of ways to answer that. As a

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<v Speaker 2>match going fair. Look, I don't know what team film supports.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I imagine he's probably going to see his team

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<v Speaker 2>maybe every week going away. He's not going to other games.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the idea of TV coverage and I

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<v Speaker 2>think you get this more in America and Australia, and

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<v Speaker 2>you'd probably agree lead that England's a bit different. The

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<v Speaker 2>TV audiences are definitely a different market from the in

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<v Speaker 2>stadium audience, you know, the in staudium adience. Sorry, the

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<v Speaker 2>TV audience for say Wigan and Saint Helen's is for

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<v Speaker 2>people in London or in you know, Scotland or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's for people who can't get to the game.

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<v Speaker 2>It's to broadcast that to people who go, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>to make money, you know, it's it's to provide ratings

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<v Speaker 2>for the competition. Now, I see what he's saying about

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<v Speaker 2>the production vase, because they aren't great when the coverage

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<v Speaker 2>starts ten minutes before and it's just two commentators and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no halftime show, And yeah, when you compare it

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<v Speaker 2>to a main event or to a Fox League, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look great. But I guess we've got a way up.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that you can watch every game when you

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<v Speaker 2>can only watch two or three previously out of a

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<v Speaker 2>six game round, what's better. I mean, that's that's preference,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I also don't think beggars can be choosers.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's the big point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's been there's been one big broadcaster willing

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<v Speaker 1>to cover our sport for the last thirty years very regularly,

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<v Speaker 1>and whether they've increased or decreased the money, they're still

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<v Speaker 1>covering our sport. And I don't know if there are

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<v Speaker 1>people queuing up at the moment to take over from them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just think I just don't think. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think kicking them into torch is an option.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the key just to add to that,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that Brian Carney is often the mouthpiece for

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<v Speaker 1>the Sky TV crew, soor whatever he says or hints at,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably what some of the people who want the

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<v Speaker 1>future of rugby league on Sky and have that in

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<v Speaker 1>mind about what it looks like. I think Brian's possibly

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<v Speaker 1>a mouthpiece for those, and John Wilkin as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with that, knowing Brian fairly well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Brian has got strong opinions of his.

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<v Speaker 1>Own and yeah, of course yeah, and on.

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<v Speaker 2>John Wilkin does. But Sky's a whole look. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of rugby league fans in England seem to think that

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<v Speaker 2>Sky is like a charity. It is a business, and

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<v Speaker 2>their business is to make money. Now. The reason they

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<v Speaker 2>put billions or whatever however much they put in the

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<v Speaker 2>Premier League football is because it makes them money. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously they've done their numbers and their figures, and you

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<v Speaker 2>are rightly there's not a huge amount of other broadcasters

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<v Speaker 2>who are going to put big money into rugby league

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<v Speaker 2>Design we're interested in the last time, but they offered

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<v Speaker 2>less than what Sky offered. So the only way we

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<v Speaker 2>get better ratings, and we entice another broadcaster. Now there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who want to kick Sky into touch,

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reality. A lot of people don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>agree with that, or they don't want to admit it,

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<v Speaker 2>but the sport is not nationally popular enough, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think just there's been great games and some great metrics.

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<v Speaker 2>In the first couple of rounds. The only main event

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<v Speaker 2>most of the Thursday Friday night games darts football, but

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<v Speaker 2>even darts has been on the main event channel and

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<v Speaker 2>from nowhere and is really popular in the UK. Down

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<v Speaker 2>women's football is another thing that years.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago wasn't on the radar, and Sky would put it

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's the reality. That is that is the reality.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, we just have to we have to

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<v Speaker 2>work on ourselves to make ourselves more popular and nationally relevant,

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<v Speaker 2>and and Vegas is something that can help do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think has helped do that in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Simon Paul at Paul Beck two two two two two

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<v Speaker 1>two two eight zero double five eight says discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>pros and cons of the NRL buying a stake in

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<v Speaker 1>SL Super League. Also, other than a great piss up,

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<v Speaker 1>how does Las Vegas really grow the sport if we

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to grow it in the US, there's better

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<v Speaker 1>areas to have the match? And Ben Blackwell at Ben

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<v Speaker 1>M Blackwell, on the back of that said, following on

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<v Speaker 1>from Simon's question, what is the actual reality of the

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<v Speaker 1>old guard accepting NRL involvement? What guarantees need to be

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<v Speaker 1>given for existing clubs in Super League to remain in

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<v Speaker 1>the comp? So I suppose a two tier question there,

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<v Speaker 1>NRL taking over super League and the Vegas experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's literally a podcast you could discussed that. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you you chime in with yours or you know, let

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<v Speaker 2>me describe. But I think person and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>NRL partnership takeover Core is the way to go for

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<v Speaker 2>Super League. I think me and you are probably of

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<v Speaker 2>the few people who've lived and worked in both competitions

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<v Speaker 2>or at least experience it to kind of know where

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<v Speaker 2>things could work. The NRL has got a lot more money,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more resource. It's also got very good expertise

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<v Speaker 2>in marketing rugby league and things that work, while Super

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<v Speaker 2>League doesn't. And I think there could be huge benefits

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<v Speaker 2>in knowledge sharing, in feeder relationships with clubs, swapping players,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, junior players or senior players going either way. Coach,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be a big fan of this. I mean coach, education, referees,

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<v Speaker 2>referee and also coming in house together. We would have

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<v Speaker 2>ashes regularly, we'd have more internationals, we'd have probably state

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<v Speaker 2>of origin in Wembley, would probably have an NRL. We

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<v Speaker 2>may already have an NRL around in London, not too long.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there are many cross code benefits, cross

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<v Speaker 2>competition benefits, and I think Brian Carney said this, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we need to work together to grow the

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<v Speaker 2>sport because we are a small sport. You know, we

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<v Speaker 2>need to we need to leverage off each other. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think both parties could benefit from that

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<v Speaker 2>that's my honest opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, well i'll just bring it into one of the

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<v Speaker 1>news items that we're going to talk about. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about that Brian Carney interview with Peter Valandi

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<v Speaker 1>is now. First of all, the lander's had a great haircut,

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<v Speaker 1>he's barnet, he's looking fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to add to that. I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>in the flesh at the Ashes. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>the second test coming out and yeah, when you see

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<v Speaker 2>that close, there's there's some there's some work going on

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<v Speaker 2>and that.

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<v Speaker 1>So he had it back then as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't I think he's had a fresh down.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's down for Vegas, but you could

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<v Speaker 2>tell there's yeah, and look, I'm we're making light of this. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it doesn't really matter what he looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more look, honestly, the man I think is the

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<v Speaker 1>best administrator Rugby League's had since the Arthursan days basically so,

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<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, I think any administrator there's

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<v Speaker 1>always going to think, there's always going to be things

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<v Speaker 1>that you want them to do better. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>on the whole, yes, past mark, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with everything he says or does, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's had massive successes and Artison and John Clow with doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so you know that all this is done

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<v Speaker 1>with with with jest. So that interview was quite an

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<v Speaker 1>in depth one with Brian Carney. And this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I was suggesting about about Brian being a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a mouthpiece. So when he says things like rugby league

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<v Speaker 1>in England needs a massive cash injection, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>is possibly a fact, but it also could be Sky

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<v Speaker 1>thinking we're going to give them even less at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>or we're going to give them nothing because the sport's

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<v Speaker 1>withering on the vine. So but there were some interesting

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<v Speaker 1>things in that. Wasn't that he got some real good

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<v Speaker 1>access to the land. Is what did you take from that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think this still answers the question from the

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<v Speaker 1>two boys that we've just asked.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there was lots of interesting points in there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, as we all know, the Negotians are done

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<v Speaker 2>behind closed doors and what said publicly is often very different. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been I'm contacting a few people. I haven't sort

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<v Speaker 2>of been able to say anything up so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where things stand. But I don't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>appetite from the UK side is there to give the

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<v Speaker 2>NERL control because it is the clubs who run the

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<v Speaker 2>show in England and I think the original idea was

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<v Speaker 2>a ten ten competition, which was unpalatable to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them. And there is still massive divisions with the

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<v Speaker 2>amongst the super A game, you know, with sort of

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<v Speaker 2>wigging on one side and then you've got your.

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<v Speaker 1>So that answers in part Ben's question, what is the

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<v Speaker 1>actual reality of the Old Guard accepting it? Basically, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll look.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean part of the one of the news items

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<v Speaker 2>is obviously the nomination for Niger Waters chair. Now, look,

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<v Speaker 2>was anyone surprised when that happened? No, because we all

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<v Speaker 2>know how things work. And also most of the committee

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<v Speaker 2>that nominated him was people that he started, the Strategic

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<v Speaker 2>Review Committee. So look, he's just come back, or he's

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<v Speaker 2>come back a year and a bit ago. Is he

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<v Speaker 2>going to give up power? I mean, that would seem

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<v Speaker 2>very unlikely that Nuge would do that, and obviously he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot of support and I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you. We can use the analogy of Turkey's voting

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<v Speaker 2>for Christmas. So if you're a club and you would

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<v Speaker 2>probably be outside of the NRL's want or need in

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<v Speaker 2>a competition. Are you going to vote for that? Probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I how I say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Richard King also asked on Facebook after the Vegas weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>it's clear to see the two Hemisphere competitions can coexist

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<v Speaker 1>together perfectly. With that in mind, and the land is

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<v Speaker 1>looking successful in his Super League investment and so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he's got some intel there. Would you

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<v Speaker 1>both say beneficial further to pair a Super League and

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<v Speaker 1>NRL club together to share ideas, progression methods and potentially

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<v Speaker 1>develop younger players.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're there's a few clubs already doing that. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much their share, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>York signed an agreement with Penrith I think mainly signed

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<v Speaker 2>one with Cast. You know, but they're not They're not

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<v Speaker 2>sort of sister relationships in that, say, the Brisbane Broncos

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<v Speaker 2>used to own the London Broncos. They're not like that,

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<v Speaker 2>but they could be in the future. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was a few years ago. You remember when

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<v Speaker 2>Harry Grant was just coming through and Melbourne loaned into

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<v Speaker 2>West Tigers. Yeah, I remember because Harry Grant's manager, I

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<v Speaker 2>think said this publicly. They were going to they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to loan him to a super League club. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to stay him to super League for a year, get

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<v Speaker 2>games in him and then bring it back. How good

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<v Speaker 2>would that be the next generation of NRL great superstars had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know at eighteen, nineteen twenty whatever had a year

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<v Speaker 2>in super League, you absolutely they were they were playing

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<v Speaker 2>for Casts or they're playing for Wakefield, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>And many of them would qualify for England as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd still be able to play Origin. Yeah, change

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<v Speaker 1>to the rules.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I think the fact that if if we

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<v Speaker 2>had the two competitions showing up, we'd have a World

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<v Speaker 2>Cup Challenge in the calendar every year. We'd have more

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<v Speaker 2>regular test matches. We have so many better, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we maybe we would have a global TV deal which

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<v Speaker 2>would mean more money for super League. There's lots of

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<v Speaker 2>there's lots of things. I think one thing we won't have,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know this keeps getting mentioned by something Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>we won't have a return to winter for super League. No.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody else asked that question, Yeah, so that that wipes out.

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<v Speaker 2>You told me you're the you're the Englishman and you

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<v Speaker 2>grew up, you were have seen both because you're old enough,

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<v Speaker 2>you probably played or you would have played your amateur

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<v Speaker 2>in the winter days. And Mark Clifton asked the question

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<v Speaker 2>about that, by the way, yeah you would have been

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<v Speaker 2>on terraces in November.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also played in it. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you do you think I moved from and the

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<v Speaker 2>move from show was because Sky said he's whatever. It

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<v Speaker 2>was eighty million quid. Yeah, the completely changed the game.

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<v Speaker 2>There was one professional club and then suddenly there was

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<v Speaker 2>a tunnel them. Do you think I moved back to summer?

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<v Speaker 2>Would work or be smart?

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<v Speaker 1>All I'll say is I wouldn't really out completely because

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<v Speaker 1>I would, but okay, because and I'd love you to

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<v Speaker 1>tell me why when I finished. But this isn't nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six anymore. And the quality of grounds tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be better. The facilities are better. Apart from sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but the facilit it is a better as a rule.

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<v Speaker 1>The quote the technology around turning around fields after and

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<v Speaker 1>stadia after and processes after a game are thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>better than they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Athletic friends would disagree with you on.

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<v Speaker 1>That, but yeah, right, yeah, I just don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think a massive we're not doing it should should be

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<v Speaker 1>done yet because I mean, I know, I know the

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<v Speaker 1>governing bodies like to put spin on attendance figures, on this,

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<v Speaker 1>that and the other, but if you had to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the history of attendances and whatnot, the attendances aren't

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<v Speaker 1>that much different to when we played in the winter. Anyway, Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we should, but I would certainly never

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<v Speaker 1>take it off the table because and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's also we could even consider a little bit of

420
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<v Speaker 1>a league a league thought process here. Who says you

421
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<v Speaker 1>have to have a winter sport or a summer sport.

422
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<v Speaker 1>Why can't you go across the two. Because I'll tell

423
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<v Speaker 1>you why, John, Super League has had a clear run

424
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<v Speaker 1>for the last four weeks of rugby league minded people

425
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.640
<v Speaker 1>all around the world, people who were mad rugby league

426
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:20.400
<v Speaker 1>fans will have been consuming Super League, okay. And also

427
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 1>it gives us opportunities to have things like Vegas and

428
00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the World Club Challenge because they don't they don't impact

429
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<v Speaker 1>they don't impact the season as much when they're out

430
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:35.559
<v Speaker 1>of the NRL season. So I just wouldn't rule it out.

431
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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm not saying we should go back to winter.

432
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I would not rule it out.

433
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<v Speaker 2>I keep it on the table very It wouldn't be

434
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<v Speaker 2>ruled out unless there was a massive cash incentive. So yeah,

435
00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, so there's a TV that said, look, you'll

436
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<v Speaker 2>get I don't know a million more per club or

437
00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty million more times, and obviously it would be considered.

438
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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think that would happen. And I think

439
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>if you look at the you know, the movie sets,

440
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean you are right. The Super League season at

441
00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the moment goes from February to October, so it's not

442
00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:08.839
<v Speaker 2>like it's bully in the summer anyway. But if it

443
00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:13.599
<v Speaker 2>did change, I don't know, from November to well supposed

444
00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to be it'll be October to I don't know, April

445
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:19.920
<v Speaker 2>or whatever whatever it was previously, it would be exactly

446
00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:22.400
<v Speaker 2>competitive with football, and it will also compete with rugby

447
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 2>union and the weather. Australian people don't understand how bad

448
00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:29.839
<v Speaker 2>the weather is in England. You essentially have kind of

449
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.200
<v Speaker 2>three seasons in a Super League season anyway. Like the

450
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.119
<v Speaker 2>weather at the moment, it's rained every day. It's terrible

451
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's not nice going to games, but then in

452
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the summer it's quite nice usually you know, there's lots

453
00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>of nice weather and then and then it gets to

454
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.359
<v Speaker 2>raining again when we get to Grand Final time. So

455
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<v Speaker 2>I think that we were put off. It would also

456
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<v Speaker 2>be put off for broadcasters because I think while there

457
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 2>are obviously competition in some of this cricket and there's

458
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.759
<v Speaker 2>other things, I think it's Super League's actually a good

459
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 2>window for a summer sport in the UK now.

460
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<v Speaker 1>The other consideration is the community game, because the community

461
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>game has mostly gone over to summer now, but they

462
00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:09.160
<v Speaker 1>often have to have six weeks off in the summer

463
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>because people go on holiday, which almost defies the point

464
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 1>of moving to summer if you ask me if you

465
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 1>have two weeks off in the middle. And that obviously

466
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 1>so that there's so many pros and columns again, that's

467
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:24.319
<v Speaker 1>probably another podcast on its own. John, There's just one

468
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.559
<v Speaker 1>more point I want to go on the whole potential

469
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 1>NRL investment, and this is why our questions are so good.

470
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<v Speaker 1>To Ben's point, what guarantees need to be given over

471
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 1>existing clubs in Super League remaining in the competition. I

472
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.720
<v Speaker 1>think the Lands or the Lands administration tends to leak

473
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:48.039
<v Speaker 1>things to the media to get the public's opinion on them, doubt,

474
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>and one of the leagues was the well, there was

475
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a few. There was whether Manchester Roosters were going to happen,

476
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>But there was another one that there was going to

477
00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:00.559
<v Speaker 1>be a ten team super League and in my be wrong,

478
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.319
<v Speaker 1>I think it came out of Lander's mouth at one

479
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>point and straight away you're gonna fans of a few

480
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 1>clubs who were going to get twitchy. Now Nigel Ward

481
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>and his gang have instead extended the super League to fourteen.

482
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:21.640
<v Speaker 1>So there's probably a clash of yah wasoph is there

483
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<v Speaker 1>isn't there?

484
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Definitely? Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. And I think the

485
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>NRL idea was a ten time competition with the London

486
00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and two teams in France because they see Frances quite strategic.

487
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:35.839
<v Speaker 2>They say London is quite strategic. Now I think a

488
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of those older traditional clubs, you know, aren't that

489
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.400
<v Speaker 2>bothered about London or France, and they see France is

490
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.640
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a well bring it away fans or

491
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.480
<v Speaker 2>a coss us money blah blah blah blah blah. So

492
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 2>there is a class of ideologies there and there's been

493
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, rumors or reports of potential investment in Super

494
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:58.839
<v Speaker 2>League from the Middle East America. Personally, I've never heard

495
00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:03.799
<v Speaker 2>that sort of questionability of that. I think it's pie

496
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.359
<v Speaker 2>in the sky. But look, I maybe proved wrong. I

497
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>think we can all agree that English Rugby League, not

498
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.279
<v Speaker 2>just Super League, needs a capital investment. It needs cash,

499
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 2>it needs more money, and he's quite handstrung by that.

500
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 2>We did misappoint in one of those questions, which was

501
00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.319
<v Speaker 2>about Vegas and why are they targeting Vegas and other

502
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>places in America. I was in Vegas last year. I've

503
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 2>been to Vegas twice before that. It was quite amazing

504
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 2>just to see the city kind of taken over by

505
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.640
<v Speaker 2>rugby league. It's quite of a surreal moment, you know,

506
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.440
<v Speaker 2>walk along the strip and you see a guy in

507
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:41.599
<v Speaker 2>a well people with a steed, and then you pull

508
00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:43.519
<v Speaker 2>out and heat passing to a steed and across the

509
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>strip back. It's like pinch me moments. But it's an

510
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 2>amazing trip. Like I think, I don't think. Look, I know,

511
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:53.119
<v Speaker 2>and I saw your post on Facebook then, and I

512
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.839
<v Speaker 2>agree with this. Originally the plan was that we're going

513
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to take over America. I think that's all ballots I

514
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 2>think it is a fantastic publicity move to energize the

515
00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.200
<v Speaker 2>NRL market. This train market to grab all oxygen out

516
00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 2>of the AFL and everywhere else, and it gets all

517
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 2>the media. Obviously they pay for all the NRL media

518
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:13.839
<v Speaker 2>and journeys to go over there, but it gets so

519
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 2>much coverage, so much buzz that it is you know,

520
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a success and people love going. And there's been

521
00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of parochialism from the English market and English

522
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.160
<v Speaker 2>media about oh, they need Super League the NRL. Look,

523
00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 2>I think we can debate that. But the thing is

524
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 2>there was four to five thousand English fans who went

525
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.359
<v Speaker 2>to the NRL in Vegas the first year when there

526
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>was no English involvement. So as you know, Lee, there's

527
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of NRL fans who are English who live

528
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>in England. Yeah, so they're already getting people from England

529
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 2>to come when there was no women's game, when there

530
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 2>was no wig and nowhere into no okay, no leads.

531
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>So that's my point and people will argue this. That's

532
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 2>why I'd say if you took State of Origin to Wembley,

533
00:28:57.400 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you would sell it out.

534
00:28:59.079 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Well you got close.

535
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I think I think you would look. I

536
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>know rugby union people that I know who are you know,

537
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>fans Rugby union fans, but they go, oh, this is Origin.

538
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, Like it's an event. It's like the NFL,

539
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>you know when it comes to.

540
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>That Wimbledon or a Formula one or something.

541
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's something, it's something special. And they might

542
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>not all be rugby league fans, but they you know,

543
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, a big heavyweight boxing match. You

544
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 2>might not be a boxing die hard who goes and watches,

545
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, amateur fights every weekend, but you just might

546
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:32.960
<v Speaker 2>want to be a part of something that's quite special.

547
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>And I think an Origin game when we would be

548
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 2>I think an URL round would also get a massive

549
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>crowd in London. So yeah, I think Vegas has just

550
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 2>got that cache. It's got that that special glitz and glamour.

551
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.799
<v Speaker 2>But I think the funniest thing. The funny thing is

552
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I think the third year and you look at the crowd,

553
00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>what they in the crowd figures, I think a little

554
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 2>bit questionable that said they average we got five hundred

555
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>more than last year something like that.

556
00:30:02.319 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

557
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I actually think from the UK perspective it was actually

558
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 2>quieter this year. Than last year because skuy didn't invest

559
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in as much money promoting it. I think there was

560
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:14.279
<v Speaker 2>fewer journeys who went over and also the time slot

561
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 2>was quite horrible for the UK market.

562
00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 1>It was midnight in England, wasn't it.

563
00:30:18.079 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? And last year it was I think nine pm

564
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.440
<v Speaker 2>or nine thirty and the Wigan Warrington game was the

565
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>highest rated Super League game of Sky ever in thirty years.

566
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.319
<v Speaker 1>What I'm trying to do right now is is take

567
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 1>all the question because we've got loads and more questions John.

568
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>They all came through yesterday. I'm trying to put them

569
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.119
<v Speaker 1>into the match roundups and things like that, plus some

570
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 1>of our news items so that this isn't a seven

571
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 1>hour podcast. The first thing, the first thing I want

572
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to talk about, well, sorry, what we'll go through now

573
00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.119
<v Speaker 1>is sort of match reviews if you like. We did

574
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 1>cover the Lee hammering at the hands of Wigan the

575
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 1>other day. One of our news items though, was some

576
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.759
<v Speaker 1>of the things that Derek Bowman said in the lead

577
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:02.680
<v Speaker 1>up to that. Can you take us through that?

578
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't remember the specific words, but he was

579
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.559
<v Speaker 2>just basically complaining about the inhumane treatment of Lee fans

580
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 2>and to be honest, the whole statement was embarrassing and pathetic.

581
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>After Lee fans probably live in Wigan.

582
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well look, I think it's just it's like a

583
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>toddler throwing his prems out of the toys, out of

584
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the prem The thing is, we talked about the game. Look, Wigan,

585
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 2>we're magnificently, we're diabolical. I think the you know what's

586
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>come up on social media after and I think it

587
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>needs addressing because we talked about the testing new situation

588
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.279
<v Speaker 2>when it broke, what was it a month or so ago,

589
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 2>But the Lee fans are singing chanting TESTI new twas

590
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:51.160
<v Speaker 2>who he wants? Yeah, I mean not nice? Is that? Like?

591
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Really like this? This is what happens though, when you

592
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>don't act on these things and you don't address them,

593
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>it's really quite disgusting. I think. So it's just another

594
00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.599
<v Speaker 2>bad look from the Lee club. But you know, the

595
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>fish rots from the head and what can we expect.

596
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, they've got some work to do because they were

597
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>awful on Thursday and that's a derby, and that there'll

598
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 1>be people who were going to work in Lee and

599
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Wigan on Friday morning and would have struggled to struggle

600
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 1>to win the conversation with some Wigan fans because they

601
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 1>were awful, absolutely awful.

602
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you that I've had you know, people

603
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 2>contacting me saying make claims and they're just rumors at

604
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.200
<v Speaker 2>this point about certain staff leaving the club. I think,

605
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 2>and I had this rumor a while ago and I

606
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 2>put it to Adrian Lamb and he straight better. But

607
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Adrian Lamb will be at I think

608
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>he'll I think he's the top target for the P

609
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and g A Chiefs and I don't think he'll be

610
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.680
<v Speaker 2>at Lee for years and years in the future. I

611
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be surprised if.

612
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I actually think. I actually think that there's already a

613
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>few in the Super League already of teams. So I

614
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>think Wigan, Leeds, Warrington and Saints have probably shown enough

615
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>in at least two games, so in Saints' case and

616
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>in Leeds case that they're going to be near the

617
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.759
<v Speaker 1>top of the ladder or in the final situations. Well

618
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.240
<v Speaker 1>done to Warrington at the moment because there was a

619
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>bit of pressure on them. We've then got the next group,

620
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 1>which is basically the promoted sides to lose York and

621
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Bradford Bulls who've all had a couple of wins each.

622
00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 1>And then we've got Castleford, Hull, f C, Wakefield and

623
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 1>Lee who were nowhere near where they would have expected

624
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 1>they were going to be. And then we've got Huddersfield,

625
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Catalans and who k are in the bottom group at

626
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 1>the moment, who are going, what the hell is.

627
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Going on here?

628
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? What the hell? What the hell are we? What's

629
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 1>going on? And that's already emerging. And one of the

630
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 1>reasons Huddersfield are in that scenario al is Castleford thirty

631
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.880
<v Speaker 1>four Huddersfield eight, which was in the shootout between the

632
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>two sides who hadn't won a game yet. Ashton Golden

633
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.079
<v Speaker 1>scored on his castle For debut against his former club.

634
00:34:17.119 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 1>It was sixteen to four at the break, first win

635
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:25.079
<v Speaker 1>for head coach Ryan carr John. Huddersfield's defense is awful.

636
00:34:25.199 --> 00:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>It looks to me like they've not done enough work

637
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 1>on it. I went into quite a bit of detail

638
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.679
<v Speaker 1>in their defense over the last couple of weeks. Their

639
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 1>spacings in defense are too big. Teams are easily just

640
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>scoring through them. They overslide when the slide. There seems

641
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to be a lack of communication when they do slide.

642
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I can go into detail on the tackle techniques, where

643
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:49.159
<v Speaker 1>they put the feet, their approach to tackle. I honestly

644
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.599
<v Speaker 1>think there's some very basic errors in that side that

645
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't expect from a Super League side. Quite frankly.

646
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well they couldn't hold the ball on Friday night

647
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 2>and I think Luke Robinson said they were rubbish.

648
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 1>That was quote, Yeah I thought we were rubbish. Played

649
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 1>as simple as that.

650
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he was pretty scathing. And look they've

651
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>got a huge amount of injuries. But from where they

652
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:12.519
<v Speaker 2>were last week against Wakefield the game that I was at,

653
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>and they were very very competitive and you know, arguably

654
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>unlucky to lose that they were very very poor. So

655
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, against a desperate cast team who hadn't

656
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 2>won a game that that scoreline is a real, real concern.

657
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.480
<v Speaker 2>And Luke Robinson's been at that club for quite a

658
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.559
<v Speaker 2>while now in terms of the job, and things are

659
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>getting worse, not better. So look, you know he's got

660
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.840
<v Speaker 2>a horrendous injury run and I know that's but he

661
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 2>wasn't using there as an excuse because they have got

662
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>still a lot of experience in that team. You know,

663
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you look at your Lola, hears your Burgesses. You know

664
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.199
<v Speaker 2>a number of players that got there. So yeah, just

665
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:52.639
<v Speaker 2>very worrying, worrying times for Hoddersfield. I can't see how

666
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>it gets better soon.

667
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Hall f C sixteen York Night's seventeen, the newly promoted

668
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 1>winning their second game by the hair of their chiny

669
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 1>chin chin. Hull left season other team that will be

670
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 1>thinking what's going on here? Their edge defense is really

671
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>their edge defense is really poor at the moment and

672
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>they seem to lack some pace across the side. Two

673
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>tries from David Nuffaluma, the journayman who's now signed for York,

674
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.119
<v Speaker 1>on his debut for them, and it was sixteen to

675
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>ten before Richardson dropped an extra point for York and

676
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:33.400
<v Speaker 1>what a smart decision that was. And to compound Hull

677
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 1>left C's issues, Liam Knight he's going back to Australia.

678
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>He played on Friday, thought he was wholehearted and now

679
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>he's going back home.

680
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean that's an interesting one because I think

681
00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I think the Mole had written that his management is

682
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>looking for another club in super Lake, so I don't know,

683
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what's going on there. I mean

684
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.559
<v Speaker 2>the compassionate straining grounds whether he goes back to Australia,

685
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>you know. But look, I think Liam Knights had four

686
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.280
<v Speaker 2>or five clubs before. I think you can see generally

687
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 2>with these signings that super Bink cubs make that their

688
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:09.199
<v Speaker 2>recruitment sometimes is very shoddy.

689
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 1>And this is this is the problem, this is the

690
00:37:11.639 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 1>problem when we all talk about, oh, all we have

691
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to do is send players over to England or or

692
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:23.159
<v Speaker 1>coach over to England. It's not for some people. Apparently

693
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Wally Lewis when he turned up at Wakefield in the

694
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 1>eighties looked at the pitch and said, I'm not playing

695
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 1>on that. For example, some people fall in love with it,

696
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Others really struggle with the with the differences and vice versa.

697
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>A lot of English people struggle in Australia.

698
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:41.519
<v Speaker 2>But I think when Wally were now giving him ten

699
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>grand a game or whatever it was, and he managed,

700
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 2>they did get relegated and go bust after that.

701
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Wakefield fans don't have a great memory of

702
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Wally Lewis.

703
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Actually no, no, he still he still comes. He was

704
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>over at that Christmas. He does his speaking in that.

705
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>But no, look you are right there. I just think

706
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.440
<v Speaker 2>like Liam Knight's gone through a lot of clubs. I

707
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 2>don't think he would have was the right swuning for

708
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>halves at the time and yeah, but you are right

709
00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>like it' that's a real embarrassing defeat for whole. But

710
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the flip side is that like New York, how good

711
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 2>are they going? Like they're feeding the two clubs. It

712
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 2>was quite I was watching the other game and only

713
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>switched it over to see the last ten to fifteen

714
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 2>minutes was quite an entertainment and it wasn't a great

715
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 2>look to see cape Cas go down try and basically

716
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.119
<v Speaker 2>dive to get a penalty at the front, But good

717
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:34.079
<v Speaker 2>work by the refs and the video ref not to

718
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>fall for it, and I think York deserve to win

719
00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that game, so good on.

720
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:41.519
<v Speaker 1>I think the issue with all FC is that there

721
00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:45.599
<v Speaker 1>were abjects against Wigan the week before and you always

722
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>think you're going you're going to get a response, yeah,

723
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately that wasn't a response. Like I said, they

724
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 1>just look a little bit slow to me in some

725
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>places and both edges, both edges are leaking like a

726
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 1>saive York the same things I'd say about them. I

727
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>have not changed my view on them. I mean the

728
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 1>two wins they have got got on the board, they

729
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 1>literally have won by a point and if the wind

730
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 1>blows in a different direction, they have not won those games.

731
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you've got to you've got to remember that

732
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.039
<v Speaker 2>they've got half the central distribution.

733
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not criticized. I'm just saying that it's tough.

734
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I think, you know, the salary

735
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>cap is so much loud, but I think credit mark

736
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:35.440
<v Speaker 2>applega every and energy and enthusiasm and they're just they're scrapping,

737
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 2>aren't that? And yeah it's good to see. Yeah.

738
00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Warrington twenty seven Wakefield sixteen. I actually think this was

739
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>the highest quality game of the round. I thought it

740
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 1>was two teams going pretty much Toll to toll and

741
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a really good game actually, and it was

742
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a well fought win for Warrington. Some Burgesses team.

743
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Warrington were I think I had a to

744
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.880
<v Speaker 2>be comfortable and then Wakefield came really roaring back into

745
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.119
<v Speaker 2>it and could have stolen it. Was it was quite entertaining.

746
00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 2>I think, look, you know, great signs of Warrington has

747
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 2>shown some real hearts and real ticker. They've obviously had

748
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>a Buyer Round two with the World Club Challenge. So

749
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.400
<v Speaker 2>two wins from two and Wakefield will be disappointed that

750
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:22.079
<v Speaker 2>they didn't come. You know, get some of that game.

751
00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:26.760
<v Speaker 2>I think Truman was, you know, really really strong. Jackson

752
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Field was quite decent as well. But yeah, credit to Warrington,

753
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know, after the terrible year that had last year,

754
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:36.039
<v Speaker 2>this is as a promising start.

755
00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Both sides were completing it in the region of ninety

756
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>percent two. So this is what I mean about being

757
00:40:42.280 --> 00:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>a high quality game of football. It was fourteen two

758
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to Warrington at halftime. I want to make mention of

759
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:50.800
<v Speaker 1>Mark Snad's kicking game, which I thought was excellent and

760
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 1>was also for Warrington. To put that in some context.

761
00:40:54.920 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Wakefield had won the last three games between the two sides.

762
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Back to a team that's in trouble Catalans six tries

763
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 1>for Saint Helen's against them and two from Daryl Clark

764
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and he's three hundred and fiftieth match. Now, the scary

765
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.519
<v Speaker 1>thing for the Catalans is this game was only six

766
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>and al at half time and it was on their

767
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 1>own patch.

768
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 2>I only caught a bit of this because then for

769
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>some reason, my Sky on Demand wouldn't deliver me the replace.

770
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.679
<v Speaker 2>I could catch up with it. But yeah, from what

771
00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 2>I've read and what I've seen, they just basically died

772
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.280
<v Speaker 2>off the last thirty minutes, didn't They Like they were

773
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 2>quite competitive for fifty minutes and then someon Ellen's just

774
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.519
<v Speaker 2>scored try after trying. That that's really worrying at home

775
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 2>after a terrible performance. I think Johel Tompkins is a

776
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 2>very very honest coach, and I think he was pretty

777
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 2>scathing post match, and that's two weeks in a row.

778
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:52.280
<v Speaker 2>He's been skating. Now you're the coach, Lee, so you

779
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>can tell better than me, But I don't think you

780
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 2>can be that skating week after week with your team.

781
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Eventually they switch off.

782
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>So I think I think if you've got a plan

783
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 1>and to the outside world, I've been through this a

784
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>couple of times, to the outside world, the results and

785
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 1>everything else looks like it's not happening. But if you

786
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 1>know it's going to turn, your messaging needs to reflect that.

787
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And I think both with Luke Robinson and now with Tomkins,

788
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>there's an element of I've done all I can, but

789
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>we're not doing it right. So once you start talking

790
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:37.480
<v Speaker 1>like that, you're starting to put blame on players, and

791
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that never ends well if it's done too much. And

792
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 1>from Tomkins's honest assessments, which I love, by the way,

793
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 1>but it won't work for many people in this modern world.

794
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Some people need a bit more encouragement, some people need

795
00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:00.800
<v Speaker 1>a bit more constructive feedback.

796
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I think we've Haddisfield obviously some mitigations with

797
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 2>their horrific intro out. I think Catlan's are pretty much

798
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.280
<v Speaker 2>for full strength and it's a fairly new group there.

799
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And Tompkins, it's I mean, I know he got the

800
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.920
<v Speaker 2>job wedway through last year, but it's essentially his first

801
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>year as a coach. He's not had a lot of experience.

802
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I think. I don't think they even interviewed other candidates.

803
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 2>They just gave him the job. That's quite questionable. So

804
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.079
<v Speaker 2>whether he's at this stage of his career ready to

805
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 2>lead a Super League team, I think is what we're

806
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.039
<v Speaker 2>going to find out in the near future. But that

807
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 2>for me was really worrying. So not though they got

808
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.760
<v Speaker 2>beat but the fact that they kind of gave up.

809
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:41.320
<v Speaker 1>It was twenty four and il was fifteen minutes to

810
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 1>go and they didn't score until the seventieth minute. And

811
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 1>they've been awful for the last two weeks now and

812
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.800
<v Speaker 1>the only one, the only win they had was against Huddersfield,

813
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's in a bit of context. If you asked me,

814
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>they were so poor against Bradford and the second half

815
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:02.119
<v Speaker 1>year there were missing so many tackles. So yeah, it's yeah,

816
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>plenty of work to do there. Over to Vegas, kr

817
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 1>Well got absolutely hammered by leads fifty eight to six.

818
00:44:13.119 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Was it?

819
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I forgot to put the score down? I think I

820
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:20.840
<v Speaker 1>think leaders' game plan get the ball early to micros

821
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Evo when it's a try.

822
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Well that I mean you said they got hammered in

823
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:27.760
<v Speaker 2>the games. They get hammered before the game because you

824
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of you see that score line and you sort

825
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>of think, what was their prep. Look, I'll give them

826
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 2>some credit the fact they played the World Cup Challenge

827
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a week before. They were near perfect in that game.

828
00:44:40.360 --> 00:44:42.360
<v Speaker 2>No one gave him a chance against the Broncos. They

829
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 2>dominated the Broncos for sixty minutes. They got you know,

830
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:47.599
<v Speaker 2>and they would have. They had a few beers after

831
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 2>that game, and it's very hard mentally to get up

832
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.119
<v Speaker 2>for such a and then you know, then you've got

833
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 2>to go to Vegas. Everything. Look, I don't know whether

834
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>it got to their heads. I don't know, you know,

835
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 2>if it just it all went wrong. But the leads

836
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 2>were red hot and Hugout were very very poor. Like Civo.

837
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.360
<v Speaker 2>We all know, it's not like he's a secret weapon,

838
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Like he's not a young he's not a new player

839
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 2>scene any who's watched him play, you know, but he

840
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>was just running over people. But the thing that was

841
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>really bad for me was the last four minutes. Cooper

842
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Jenkins scored twice, you know, so they didn't you know,

843
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>they didn't really respond. They just were quite soft throughout

844
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 2>that for eighty minutes.

845
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:29.599
<v Speaker 1>I think is going to be a court here, a

846
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:33.840
<v Speaker 1>bit like Leslie van Nicolo. Yeah, super League, let's talk

847
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 1>about whole KR because you've mentioned them. I think their

848
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>best performer was the erasure dude. Before the game. It

849
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:43.360
<v Speaker 1>was twenty it was twenty Yeah, it was twenty four

850
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>nil by twenty eight nail by halftime. And let's have

851
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>a look at a Whole k R. Let's analyze it.

852
00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>They've lost two from two Super League games now and

853
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the World Club Challenge that were saved by the hooter

854
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 1>basically in Brisbane's poor start and their second halves are

855
00:46:01.159 --> 00:46:04.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting too. So they conceded thirteen points against York in

856
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 1>round one in the second half and the second half

857
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 1>of the World Club Challenge is conceded twenty and then

858
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.519
<v Speaker 1>conceded fifty eight in this game. So it's one hundred

859
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and one points in three games at an average of

860
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.639
<v Speaker 1>thirty three thirty four ish like that. This is a

861
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 1>team that last year John was so stingy in defense.

862
00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 1>They averaged eleven again against the best. That's right, that's right.

863
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:37.159
<v Speaker 1>We've had some questions pertaining to juk Are. I'll put

864
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 1>them in now where they're gone, where they're gone with

865
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.079
<v Speaker 1>where they're gone. Okay, will a World Club Challenge win?

866
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>See the NRL come calling for Willie Peters before the

867
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:50.920
<v Speaker 1>end of his current contract, and if he goes, can

868
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Roll sustain their recent success without him?

869
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Look, I think there was you know, the Knights

870
00:46:59.400 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>one in the job last year that went to Justin

871
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the whole Brooks. So there's already been in our old

872
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 2>clubs in for him before they won the travel and

873
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't think a big defeat in Vegas is going

874
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>to change that book. Yeah, they'll big clubs that come calling.

875
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Whether Willie sees out his contract or goes early, that's

876
00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 2>up to Willie. In terms of in terms of succession playing,

877
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 2>that's really interesting because I think, look, they've got you

878
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>would say the two of most important players, which is

879
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Linton and Lewis, are both in their mid mid to

880
00:47:30.559 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 2>early twenties and the long term deal, so I think

881
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 2>they've got the call there. They've also got, you know,

882
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Morgs relatively young. They've got sort of a good blend

883
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 2>of experience and youth there. But in terms of the coaching, look,

884
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 2>he's only just brought into new assistants and that's Ian

885
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:51.719
<v Speaker 2>Watson and Luke Gale retired a couple of years, relatively new,

886
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's coaching. Ian Watson's been coaching for a long time,

887
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 2>had a lot of success at Salford, had made a

888
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Challenge Cup final his first year in Huddersfield and then

889
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.719
<v Speaker 2>it went wrong and he got sacked at Husefield. So

890
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.960
<v Speaker 2>whether they see what I was the next in line rank,

891
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but yeah, I think it's always hard

892
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 2>to replace a coach who's had a massive impact impact

893
00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 2>like that. But I think for whole KR it's very

894
00:48:17.239 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 2>very hard when you win a treble. Look at you know,

895
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Wigan the year before and they did the same thing.

896
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.760
<v Speaker 2>They won for trophies, like they made the Grand Final

897
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 2>last year, but they didn't win a trophy last year.

898
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to maintain that level of excellence.

899
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Nothing fails like success, John, nothing fails like success.

900
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>That in saying that, and I was, I was messaging

901
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 2>a maid who's a whole k r Fen. I was saying, well,

902
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 2>you've lost the mine apprenticeship already, and I was half joking,

903
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.599
<v Speaker 2>but they have dropped four points. And if you're Wigging

904
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 2>and you're looking at everyone three from three and look

905
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 2>red hot, you'll be like, well, that's that's great for us.

906
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 2>But I still think whole kay Art can bounce back

907
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, get to the Grand Final and maybe

908
00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:57.360
<v Speaker 2>even win a Grand Final.

909
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, in the NRL, they'd put a line through

910
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.400
<v Speaker 1>them because they've conceded over fifty points in the game.

911
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I did see someone put out a tweet saying there's

912
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.880
<v Speaker 2>at least four teams who had been beaten by forty

913
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>or fifty, like in sen Helens in twenty fourteen and

914
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Wigging in twenty twenty three. Or whatever, and they don't

915
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 2>won the Grand follow that year, so there's not the

916
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:21.239
<v Speaker 2>equivalent NRL stat.

917
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.599
<v Speaker 1>James McKee asked a question different type of pressure that

918
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>k are used to and they don't seem to be

919
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>handling it very well. Mikey seems to be well off

920
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the boil and believing in his own hype. That's Mikey Lewis. Look,

921
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.159
<v Speaker 1>I'll answer that one because I think it's a coaching Well,

922
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 1>like I said, you laughed at my comment, but nothing

923
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 1>fails like success. People people lose their edge, so.

924
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, so we you know, look at I was just say,

925
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>look at sath Sydney in twenty fourteen.

926
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's loads of examples, mate, and and people lose

927
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 1>their edge and that's why winning back to back or

928
00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 1>like Penrith did four on the trot is a real, real,

929
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 1>real achievement. And I mean yesterday watching whole KR, they

930
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 1>were chasing the tails. There was a lack of discipline

931
00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:11.840
<v Speaker 1>in the play the ball. They were given away a

932
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>lot on the right edge. They only had thirty five

933
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 1>percent of the ball by the thirty minute mark and

934
00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.000
<v Speaker 1>only completed six sets, and so much of their game

935
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.800
<v Speaker 1>is geared towards completion and attrition, and they just weren't.

936
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 1>They weren't there at the races. Now, I think, I

937
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 1>think all it takes. I mean, I know you went

938
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to training and were impressed by by what you saw.

939
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it was, but.

940
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 1>It all depends how long they were just a little

941
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 1>bit off prior to Christmas for example, right, just a

942
00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:52.440
<v Speaker 1>little bit cocker who And there's other things that happen

943
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 1>around a successful team too. More people want a piece

944
00:50:55.119 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 1>of you, more sponsors, more media, more player requests, more

945
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.400
<v Speaker 1>people if you live in the town or city, pumping

946
00:51:05.440 --> 00:51:06.440
<v Speaker 1>into you in the street.

947
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Did you see the videos that were looked on social

948
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>media about Mikey Lewis getting into an argument with a

949
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 2>film at a club. So after the World Cup challenge,

950
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it was that night or the next night,

951
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.280
<v Speaker 2>there's Mikey Lewis with a few angry words with a

952
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>certain thing. Look, it was a bit of a storm

953
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 2>and a teacup. You know. There was no h you know,

954
00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.320
<v Speaker 2>bad words said or punches trainer or anything like that,

955
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.960
<v Speaker 2>but it seemed to be someone either trying to wind

956
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Makey up or Mikey getting annoyed with someone at a

957
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.480
<v Speaker 2>public The point is you have to be aware that

958
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>these situations are going to happen because you're a target.

959
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, people in the NRL know that because

960
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:45.840
<v Speaker 2>they are you know, in every pub or nightclub in

961
00:51:46.320 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, the Eastern Seaport basically, and the same things

962
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.159
<v Speaker 2>that happens in you know, other major sports. So they

963
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 2>have to be aware of that that there's people who

964
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.239
<v Speaker 2>are going to try and take a shot at them.

965
00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:00.360
<v Speaker 2>And Mikey has to be smarter to kind of not

966
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:02.920
<v Speaker 2>react or put himself in those situations. I'm not having

967
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:06.039
<v Speaker 2>to go with him, but because I don't know the

968
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:08.679
<v Speaker 2>full context of what happened before the recording or after that.

969
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 2>But you've just got to be very careful.

970
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Now, another real danger who KR is the Vegas hangover,

971
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 1>so genuine jet lag issues and whatnot. And they've got

972
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield next Sunday, so unlike the NRL team, super League

973
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 1>teams have to back up next week. So imagine they

974
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>don't get the result they need there, that would be

975
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.960
<v Speaker 1>a real, real issue, but it's also a great game

976
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 1>potentially for them to get back into the groove back

977
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 1>to Leeds.

978
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Because sorry just to say Lee, I mean I say

979
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:43.880
<v Speaker 2>this tongue in cheek is they're not a bigger level.

980
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Are playing in Vegas in front of forty zero people,

981
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, part of a massive event, and then you're

982
00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:50.000
<v Speaker 2>going away to Huddersfield.

983
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:53.320
<v Speaker 1>If you're looking.

984
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Mental calm down, it's hard to hard to check.

985
00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they should have sent them to a cup tie

986
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:06.239
<v Speaker 1>to Barrow or something. Let's talk about leads, because they

987
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.280
<v Speaker 1>were brilliant. They worked laterally when they were coming out

988
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.800
<v Speaker 1>of their own end, they worked them sideways and it

989
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.079
<v Speaker 1>was all about unleashing their left side. And I was

990
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:18.199
<v Speaker 1>so impressed by the two halves mate brody Croft and

991
00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:22.719
<v Speaker 1>a certain Jake Connor who wasn't Jake.

992
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't mean anything. I don't who even votes for it? Yeah,

993
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean you just with every good performance to Jake

994
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Connor puts in, you just sort of think, what why

995
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 2>was he not pick for England?

996
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I also think as well, their attack hasn't completely clicked yet,

997
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Like they were a bit clunky close to the line

998
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 1>if you remember it early on, but they still scored

999
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:49.000
<v Speaker 1>from these clunky patties. And they've scored one hundred and

1000
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.199
<v Speaker 1>eighteen points in three games. That's almost forty a game.

1001
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 1>And I know they lost to Lee, but they're looking

1002
00:53:57.079 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the goods and I can't wait to see them play Wig.

1003
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Connor didn't play against Lee, which is important to remember,

1004
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 2>and I don't think Civo didn't play against Lee either.

1005
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.880
<v Speaker 2>So look, yeah, I think I think that there are

1006
00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 2>team that's got points in them. And I think with

1007
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, with Lockie Miller, who's a bit of an

1008
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 2>unpredictable player who likes to bounce around the field. You know,

1009
00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Brodie Croft seems to be quite confident at the moment

1010
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 2>really running the ball. You've got Connor who can you know,

1011
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:27.000
<v Speaker 2>play pass short, you can play wide. You've got big,

1012
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.159
<v Speaker 2>big wingers, you know, Ryan Horn, Steve I've got to

1013
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:34.119
<v Speaker 2>be the biggest two wingers in super Far. And then

1014
00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>you know you've got some athletic centers. You've got some

1015
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 2>big forwards there, and you've got forwards who can also

1016
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.639
<v Speaker 2>pass the ball like Cam Smith and Callen Watkins. Look

1017
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, Look, I think Leeds were always going

1018
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:48.719
<v Speaker 2>to be a top three, top four team this year.

1019
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 2>And you know they may be, they may finish top,

1020
00:54:51.679 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>they may finish second. You know, we'll we'll find out.

1021
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 2>But they were they were very very good and I

1022
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:00.639
<v Speaker 2>think it was the Leeds have never put that many

1023
00:55:00.639 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 2>points in the whole k are in okay as one

1024
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:05.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred and forty four year history, so that kind of

1025
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.639
<v Speaker 2>puts into context what kind of score.

1026
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.039
<v Speaker 1>On Broncos fan said to me, Geeszu, we must be

1027
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in trouble. Then, on the subject of the big Wings,

1028
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.880
<v Speaker 1>did you know that statistically tackle two is the most important.

1029
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.599
<v Speaker 1>If you're going to have a good set, you need

1030
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.719
<v Speaker 1>to really win the rouck on tackle two in attack,

1031
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 1>and likewise, conversely you have to kill tackle two. So

1032
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 1>having my case Evo and Ryan Hall on both their

1033
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.000
<v Speaker 1>pick and swings is a big help for that on

1034
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:40.719
<v Speaker 1>the kick return, so real, real good signs for leads solo.

1035
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.719
<v Speaker 1>I still have questions about their defense, but that's just me.

1036
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 1>Bulls eighteen to lose two wins, two wins Olympiak are

1037
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:53.320
<v Speaker 1>still two wins. Six I thought to lose a very

1038
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:55.599
<v Speaker 1>limited in attack. I ended up seeing the second half

1039
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>of this because I woke up and decided to get

1040
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 1>up and watch. Its weren't given a lot of direction

1041
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and Ethan Ryan hat trick for Bradford, who had better

1042
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 1>go forward and move the ball at the right time

1043
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:12.039
<v Speaker 1>for me, So uh yeah, good, good, good signs for

1044
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Bradford early on, who've got two wins. Yeah, these against

1045
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Catalans and now another.

1046
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Now are very good against Hull as well. So look,

1047
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 2>I think I think Haggardy is a really top young coach,

1048
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 2>really promising. Ethan Ryan was electric. One of his tries

1049
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.079
<v Speaker 2>was brilliant. Connor win was really damaging. I really like Doro,

1050
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the forward they brought in from whole KR, you know,

1051
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.039
<v Speaker 2>really big unit who can bend the line. And again

1052
00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Bradford deserved to win. Just you know, they're doing really

1053
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.519
<v Speaker 2>well Bradford, so full credit to them. Look, I think

1054
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 2>to lose will be disappointed. They just didn't really match

1055
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>their energy. As you said, I think their attack was

1056
00:56:54.920 --> 00:57:00.239
<v Speaker 2>a bit lackluster. There wasn't really much variety there. But yeah,

1057
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 2>i'd Thord very very happy in a good crowd there. Again,

1058
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it was eight, which you know with ways

1059
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 2>that's really strong.

1060
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean this in the nicest possible way. Oddsul is

1061
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:15.039
<v Speaker 1>also attack on the Rugby league sensus because you're at

1062
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.679
<v Speaker 1>the ground and you go and you go underground, right,

1063
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you go into a bowl. Right. The terraces are the

1064
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.280
<v Speaker 1>same terraces that were there when they had the record

1065
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>crowd in nineteen thirty four or whatever it is, so

1066
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.880
<v Speaker 1>that brings you back a few almost one hundred years.

1067
00:57:33.119 --> 00:57:38.679
<v Speaker 1>The changing rooms are on the side away from what

1068
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:44.159
<v Speaker 1>looks like the main stand. The field is surrounded by

1069
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:48.280
<v Speaker 1>a track. The field is small, so the dimensions aren't

1070
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 1>the same against cattal amso grass was like a farmer's

1071
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>field this week it was nice. And when you're playing

1072
00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.559
<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to get your bearings, if the stand

1073
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 1>isn't where it should be, it's actually hard sometimes to play.

1074
00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:09.760
<v Speaker 1>It really is. And also on a smaller field with

1075
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 1>smaller ring goals. And then where you think there should

1076
00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:17.079
<v Speaker 1>be a grandstand or a terrace, there's a big corporate

1077
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 1>area and to the left of it there's a car

1078
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 1>park with a nice little pathway going down to It

1079
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 1>is everything you you don't expect at a rugby league

1080
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:28.679
<v Speaker 1>ground basically, so I think Bradford can really use that

1081
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:29.880
<v Speaker 1>to their advantage.

1082
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 2>Again, it's eying that to LuSE have been playing at

1083
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Bradford in the Championship for many years, so it should

1084
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.559
<v Speaker 2>be a ground there familiar. But you are right, and

1085
00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 2>I've said that on other episodes. Look I think thinking

1086
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.280
<v Speaker 2>use it as a as an advantage, much like you

1087
00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.199
<v Speaker 2>know teams that are wakey used to a bellevue before

1088
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 2>it got a makeover.

1089
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Now, another thing that came from this game was unfortunately refereeing.

1090
00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:00.280
<v Speaker 1>And the big thing about the refereeing in this game,

1091
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 1>and apparently it happened a couple of times over the

1092
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 1>weekend too, was the technology failing in the year. What's

1093
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:07.239
<v Speaker 1>going on there?

1094
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, It's not a good look. I mean,

1095
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:13.679
<v Speaker 2>we had everything this week. We had. We had a

1096
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.559
<v Speaker 2>ear pieces failing, we had scoreboards disappearing, and even in

1097
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the whole kur Leeds game, we didn't have the audio.

1098
00:59:21.920 --> 00:59:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Obviously there was no there was no Sky team sort

1099
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 2>of in the studio in London doing a pregrame, so

1100
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 2>we had the the Fox League pregame, but then the

1101
00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:31.760
<v Speaker 2>audio dropped off for the first minute and a half.

1102
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:33.599
<v Speaker 2>So we're the first minute and a half with no

1103
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:37.119
<v Speaker 2>audio as well. So it wasn't a great weekend for

1104
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.159
<v Speaker 2>stuff ups, should we say, or I was.

1105
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>In terms of questions, We're just not going to get

1106
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.119
<v Speaker 1>through every single one, so I've had to select some.

1107
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.000
<v Speaker 1>And if you sent a question I said that I

1108
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.079
<v Speaker 1>promised i'd use it. Please just right back to me

1109
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:51.639
<v Speaker 1>and I'll make sure your question or another question gets

1110
00:59:51.639 --> 00:59:54.840
<v Speaker 1>in next week. Richard Hardesty asked if there is a

1111
00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:58.719
<v Speaker 1>video ref at a game, it said video ref spots

1112
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and infringement of the rule that the on field ref misses.

1113
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Why is it not possible for said video ref to

1114
01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 1>advise the ref that he missed said infringement Because I

1115
01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.320
<v Speaker 1>get it's reviewed at the match review panel, but the

1116
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:14.440
<v Speaker 1>team the infringement is against gets no benefit from the

1117
01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.159
<v Speaker 1>offending player missing three games after the fact.

1118
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I think they do have a quiet word at times,

1119
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 2>but I think also you don't want to kind of

1120
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:24.480
<v Speaker 2>over officiate and micro manage everything.

1121
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.440
<v Speaker 1>And your earphones need to work well.

1122
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:31.079
<v Speaker 2>That helps. That does help, unless you've got SB that

1123
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 2>does help.

1124
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Dawn propped or asked when a captain's challenge is inconclusive,

1125
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 1>why does a penalty still stand and not revert to

1126
01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:44.360
<v Speaker 1>a play on Because she says, you're penalizing a team

1127
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 1>for something they may have not done, especially if you've

1128
01:00:48.159 --> 01:00:49.760
<v Speaker 1>seen it seven or eight times.

1129
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I think with a captain's challenger probably if it's inconclusive,

1130
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:53.920
<v Speaker 2>it goes back to the original ref.

1131
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Score original decision.

1132
01:00:55.679 --> 01:00:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if he's called a penalty and it's inconclusive.

1133
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.760
<v Speaker 1>So that I think that is the idea of that, Dawn,

1134
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 1>is that the referee is still the boss in a way,

1135
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.159
<v Speaker 1>or it should be that way really and if he

1136
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 1>if he's not comfortable, he sends it up and if

1137
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:15.079
<v Speaker 1>they decide they're not comfortable, they send it back to

1138
01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:17.800
<v Speaker 1>him and just say go with your original decision. Graham

1139
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Middleton ask do you believe that clubs promoting their own

1140
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.719
<v Speaker 1>academy players through their own pathway to first team rugby

1141
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 1>should be rewarded more by the a MG ratings and

1142
01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:30.000
<v Speaker 1>things like catchment area, screen pixels etc.

1143
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I do like that, I think to be honest,

1144
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:37.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily think it should be rewarded by IMG

1145
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:42.639
<v Speaker 2>criteria because obviously Wigan St Helens leads have a natural advantage,

1146
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:45.920
<v Speaker 2>but I think it should be ruled on the salary cap.

1147
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:46.719
<v Speaker 1>I agree.

1148
01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I think you know, if and there is I know

1149
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.000
<v Speaker 2>there is a there is a homegrown allowance, and there

1150
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.559
<v Speaker 2>is a whatever it is a tenure thing, but I

1151
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:57.440
<v Speaker 2>think there probably should be more incentives sticking carriage clubs

1152
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:01.840
<v Speaker 2>to develop their own players and invest in their own pathways,

1153
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.199
<v Speaker 2>and you do that through decart of crap. So if

1154
01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:07.639
<v Speaker 2>you're wigging and you've got ten pathway through bridge, you

1155
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 2>know players maybe they on account fifty or sixty grand

1156
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.280
<v Speaker 2>each on a cap or some figure, and then you

1157
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:17.199
<v Speaker 2>can invest money in other areas. I think that's personally

1158
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.400
<v Speaker 2>how I would do it. Because there isn't enough clubs

1159
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 2>who are investing in pathways for mine. I do know

1160
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.599
<v Speaker 2>it's a limited because of participation levels not being great.

1161
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:31.400
<v Speaker 2>There is a limited amount of players in that pool.

1162
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.519
<v Speaker 2>But you've got to try and incentive, I incentivize clubs

1163
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 2>to invest more in pathways for mine.

1164
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 1>The next round round four Thursday, Wakefield at home to

1165
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.559
<v Speaker 1>half c A fancy Wakefield for that one, John.

1166
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I fancy Wakefield Wakefield of only what one one

1167
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.639
<v Speaker 2>from three, which is not the start they would want

1168
01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.039
<v Speaker 2>and holler in a bit of a hole. So I

1169
01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:01.320
<v Speaker 2>think probably Wakefield home and in a close one.

1170
01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Personally, for those who struggle with translation, they said haul

1171
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:07.039
<v Speaker 1>are in a bit of a hole. Actually sounded like

1172
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you said in a bit of a hole. Friday Lee

1173
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Leopards versus Catalan Dragons.

1174
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Look, yeah, that's I think probably late at home. But yeah,

1175
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:31.000
<v Speaker 2>both teams. Yeah, I think Alaine is a struggling more

1176
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.960
<v Speaker 2>than Lee. But yeah, that was some fair morling that

1177
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that Lee took.

1178
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on Thursday, York Knights will fancy their chances against

1179
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Warrington at home on Friday too.

1180
01:03:44.079 --> 01:03:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this might be the game that I'm going to

1181
01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:50.840
<v Speaker 2>go to. Look, I think probably Warrington at least on paper,

1182
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:54.239
<v Speaker 2>but look York Lawyer, York will fancy day chances and

1183
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:56.159
<v Speaker 2>look they will be too high in confidence. You know,

1184
01:03:56.280 --> 01:04:01.840
<v Speaker 2>they're doing really well. Another home game. Yeah, it should

1185
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:04.360
<v Speaker 2>be should be quite entertaining and Warrington will be really

1186
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 2>had to you know, they can be three from three season.

1187
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.480
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, a fantastic start. And Sam Burgess, I'm

1188
01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.960
<v Speaker 2>sure I'll have his boys fired up.

1189
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:21.000
<v Speaker 1>To lose. Might still be on two wins after hosting

1190
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Wigan Warriors. What a tough trip for Wigan nonetheless.

1191
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a tough trip, but I think we can. They've

1192
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.039
<v Speaker 2>they've been outstanding. Like I know we're only in round three,

1193
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 2>but what they averaging about thirty OERD points per game.

1194
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:43.480
<v Speaker 2>They're looking very good in both attack and defense. Yeah,

1195
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I think Wigan by probably at least eighteen personally.

1196
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Saint Helen's are at home to Bradford Bulls. That's

1197
01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a tough one for Bradford.

1198
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, I mean San Allen's you know, smashed Catlans

1199
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.400
<v Speaker 2>and obviously got we know the Lee the week before.

1200
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Even they've got a few injuries and we've not really

1201
01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:06.000
<v Speaker 2>talked about Lee. I can't remember it was on the

1202
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:08.960
<v Speaker 2>run show or that that that statement that they sent

1203
01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.519
<v Speaker 2>out about the John comments. Look, I think that was

1204
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.480
<v Speaker 2>much like the Lee one, that was just like bizarre.

1205
01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Can you go into that for people who didn't see it.

1206
01:05:19.400 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Speaker 1>John Wilkinson made some John Wilkins made some scathing comments

1207
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:26.559
<v Speaker 1>on Sky about the way they treat players.

1208
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:33.159
<v Speaker 2>And the ways basically sint Allan's put our statements saying

1209
01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:35.679
<v Speaker 2>they reserved the riot, and you know, they were appalled

1210
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.559
<v Speaker 2>by wilkins comments. But look, I think the fact is

1211
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.679
<v Speaker 2>he's a pundit. He's there to give his opinion.

1212
01:05:41.960 --> 01:05:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Also an ex player who also cares about.

1213
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:49.079
<v Speaker 2>As a Allan's legend. And I think he's good friends

1214
01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:52.920
<v Speaker 2>with Paul Wellens, maybe good friends with Mike Purswal. I

1215
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know. But look, my understanding what I've heard is

1216
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that the personal situation is a bit of a nightmare,

1217
01:05:59.079 --> 01:06:01.440
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the delegations are there that he was

1218
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.519
<v Speaker 2>offered a contract and agreed to it and then the

1219
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:06.320
<v Speaker 2>contract was pulled and now he's going to leave the club.

1220
01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:09.199
<v Speaker 2>The Wellns thing was also, you know, there was all

1221
01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:11.480
<v Speaker 2>the talk that he was out earlier in the season

1222
01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and the poor ROLEI was going to come in, and

1223
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:15.280
<v Speaker 2>then the talk was that if he got to the

1224
01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Grand Final he'd be given a new contract. He obviously

1225
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't get the Grand truck, he didn't get to the

1226
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Grand Final and he was out. But look, I think

1227
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.400
<v Speaker 2>he was probably poorly treated by the club as well.

1228
01:06:25.480 --> 01:06:29.800
<v Speaker 2>But the whole statement, what was the point of the statement?

1229
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.199
<v Speaker 2>They're having a go at Wilkom publicly, they're having a

1230
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:35.639
<v Speaker 2>go at Sky you know while we're or a ployee

1231
01:06:35.639 --> 01:06:38.400
<v Speaker 2>of Sky, while we're negotiating for a new Sky TV deal.

1232
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:40.880
<v Speaker 2>They're not going to sue him because I don't think

1233
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.000
<v Speaker 2>legally they have a leg to stand on what he

1234
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.480
<v Speaker 2>said in defantry and it was a fair comment that's

1235
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:50.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of protected under the honest opinion defense. So it

1236
01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 2>just makes them look bad. So I really don't know

1237
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.440
<v Speaker 2>with that club what at times what they what they

1238
01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:59.920
<v Speaker 2>think they're doing or how they think they're perceived, because

1239
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:03.159
<v Speaker 2>just makes make them look bad, not anyone else.

1240
01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 1>On Sunday, because these two of the teams played in Vegas,

1241
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.679
<v Speaker 1>whole k r and leads the Battle of the Cellar

1242
01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Dwellers on Sunday at Huddersfield. Huddersfield and whole K are.

1243
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Look, I think will probably you know, dip into the

1244
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.199
<v Speaker 2>squad and try and rotate a few players, But I

1245
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:21.960
<v Speaker 2>think i'd still back Hog.

1246
01:07:21.760 --> 01:07:24.079
<v Speaker 1>Are going to be tough for them. They're still they're

1247
01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:24.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a hangou as a mental hangover of all

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<v Speaker 2>that travel and you know, the high point. But I

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<v Speaker 2>still think they they've got enough to get over hot

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they need to for their own.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be squeaky one time if they don't. And then

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<v Speaker 1>leads Leeds host Castleford.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting local derby. You know, Leeds

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<v Speaker 2>will obviously be on a high casts first win of

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<v Speaker 2>the season, good win over hardest Field. Yeah, I still

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<v Speaker 2>think probably leads. But look, I think Guess have been

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<v Speaker 2>competitive in every game, even though I've only won the

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<v Speaker 2>one game that were competitive against Wigan and they were

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<v Speaker 2>competitive against to loose and I had a nightmare. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if you saw it, but I had a

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare trip to to Loosen back. It was something like

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen hours one way and thirteen hours the way back.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they went Munich and all sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 2>but it won't be too far for them to go

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<v Speaker 2>up the road to Headingley if that's where it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Home game and I think maybe maybe Leeds in a

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<v Speaker 2>tight one, but it could be a fifty to fifty game.

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<v Speaker 1>In the NRL starts next weekend too. Well, it started today,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't well, Yeah, but it starts in Australia. Melbourne Storm

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<v Speaker 1>versus the Eels is the first game on the Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lomax Army.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and another game to look out for his Broncoals

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah. But in terms of results, the Cowboys lost

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<v Speaker 1>to Newcastle. Newcastle were Wooden Spooners last year, coached by

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<v Speaker 1>Just Holbrook, got the win against Todd Payton's Cowboys. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think already some people are already thinking that Todd

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<v Speaker 1>Payton will be under a bit more pressure. And I

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<v Speaker 1>would have had a sleepless night in the last night

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<v Speaker 1>in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that was the that was the st Helen's Derby,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't it because you had former Sir Helen's Grand Final

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<v Speaker 2>winning coach justin the whole broke up against the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 2>with the assistant coach for Paul Wellens. But I watched

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<v Speaker 2>that game and I really impressed by the Knights. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought Pongo and Brown worked well, and I like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a bit to do with Holbrook when he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the really nice guy. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 2>top coach. I think, so, yeah, good to see, good

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<v Speaker 2>to see the Knights get.

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<v Speaker 1>Up Bulldogs and Saint George. Was a golden point win

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<v Speaker 1>for the Bulldogs. Geez, that was a slug fest for

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<v Speaker 1>most of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, And I thought I thought the Dragons we

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<v Speaker 2>were unlucky in that. I thought they were really really

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<v Speaker 2>gritty and look they've had a bad couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, if they can keep up that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of level performing it's every week, they'll do well this year.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, doggies will be very happy with with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was. It was a thrilling end, wasn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>To the to the Vegas weekend?

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<v Speaker 1>M that's almost us John. Look out for my analysis

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<v Speaker 1>video this week. I'm looking at Lee Leopards and Warrington

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01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Wolves defensive patterns and I'm doing that from the earlier

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<v Speaker 1>rounds to be fair to all the other teams that

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<v Speaker 1>have covered, so please look out for that on the

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Coach YouTube channel. You can also get me

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Coach dot comma teu adamin at Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>Coach dot comma tear you as the email and at

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<v Speaker 1>Rugby League Coach on socials, Johnny, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can get the non Scottish non Turett's John Davidson at

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<v Speaker 2>X and Johnny J. Davidson and a Facebook at John

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<v Speaker 2>Davidson Journalist. And yeah, obviously all your apologies about anything

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<v Speaker 2>more on Iran famine, hunger, yeah, anything else. Rolf Harris

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<v Speaker 2>apparently he'll apologize for that and everything else. Yeah, keep

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<v Speaker 2>those apologies and climbs coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Just make our podcast bigger. See you later in the week.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to do it after the hooter sometime this week,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've not decided which one yet, so that will

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<v Speaker 1>be after Thursday's game or Friday's game. But we'll let

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<v Speaker 1>you know on the Rugby League Coach Socials and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure Johnny will let you know on his socials too. Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure we'll speak to people soon.