Speaker 1: What happens in Vegas should always stay there. I'm sure
Speaker 1: if it did, Whole k Are wouldn't care. Leeds were
Speaker 1: on fire Wigan as well. Did the whole teams even
Speaker 1: turn up? It was too hard to tell. Another winner
Speaker 1: this week is nicknamed the Wire, the Giants and Catalans.
Speaker 1: They were pretty dire. There's only one team still stuck
Speaker 1: on Notughe. Lee and John are back to give you
Speaker 1: their thoughts. Welcome to the eleventh episode of Super League
Speaker 1: three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top tier of
Speaker 1: British rugby league. My name is Lee poet Laureate Addison.
Speaker 2: And my name is John Avidson. That's a lovely. Another
Speaker 2: lovely in Trolie.
Speaker 1: Our mate James Varley sent me one too. He's another
Speaker 1: one who sent me something five minutes before the show.
Speaker 1: We're expecting it to get in, so I told him
Speaker 1: where to shove it down. I'm a coach in Australia,
Speaker 1: John a journo in the UK. Please read the script
Speaker 1: of this pod or listen to old pods. Trying to
Speaker 1: make our introduction shorter because when we did the Old
Speaker 1: Ashes podcast that was half the podcast. I think this
Speaker 1: podcast is being aired on Ashes Rugby League still I
Speaker 1: would like you all to transfer over though if you can.
Speaker 1: But it's definitely on the Rugby League Coach podcast platforms.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you stay on them, as well
Speaker 1: as Rugby League Coach YouTube so if you want to
Speaker 1: watch it as a visual so if you subscribe to
Speaker 1: those you won't miss a thing. And we're also on
Speaker 1: Rugby League dot Com with Steve Mascod, Jason Costigan and
Speaker 1: the guys John Obviously we've just had Vegas. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that soon. But the John Tweet of the Week,
Speaker 1: the Rugby League Tweet of the Week, the Socials pop up,
Speaker 1: Lee of the Week, Johnny's Job, Lee's laugh, Media watch
Speaker 1: every segment. There's only one winner this week, and that
Speaker 1: is the fact that you were mistaken identity on X
Speaker 1: this week. What the hell happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It's been one of the more bizarre weeks
Speaker 2: of my life. I would have to say forty four
Speaker 2: years of my life being mistaken for the Scottish Tourett's
Speaker 2: campaign of John Davidson, who accidentally said a racial slur
Speaker 2: on the bafters last Sunday night, and yeah, got mistaken
Speaker 2: on Twitter and then yeah, it went viral for a while.
Speaker 2: It's been a bit of a surreal week. Yeah, very
Speaker 2: hard to kind of put into words.
Speaker 1: Give us some numbers. How many days have you had
Speaker 1: to deal with it? How many impressions or retweets did
Speaker 1: you get to any how many followers?
Speaker 2: Well, I have written a piece on Patreon titled tag
Speaker 2: Trolled and Trending My accidental Baftis Storm, which is free
Speaker 2: to read for anyone on Patreon. But I haven't checked
Speaker 2: the latest numbers, but yeah, it was even today. I've
Speaker 2: still had a few tweets. Someone tagged me in something
Speaker 2: that I thought I was that John Davidson. But I've
Speaker 2: had I've had impressions for some of my tweets for
Speaker 2: about two million. I think some of them have ranged one,
Speaker 2: one million, two million, a few different ones. I think
Speaker 2: I've added about four thousand followers. Yeah, I had approaches
Speaker 2: from media, potential TV appearance which didn't happen. Just a
Speaker 2: bit of a really bizarre week. I mean, it's taught
Speaker 2: me a few things, but I've just tried to combat
Speaker 2: up with a bit of humor and a bit of levity.
Speaker 1: And what has it taught you?
Speaker 2: John?
Speaker 1: Let's be philosophical for a while.
Speaker 2: It's taught me that we do live in a world
Speaker 2: where people liked the vent, particularly online. You know, if
Speaker 2: say I didn't know you Lee, and I came across
Speaker 2: one of your posts on Facebook, and I know you
Speaker 2: get this a lot anyway, but you know, I might
Speaker 2: just say, oh, well, who's this guy. He's an fing
Speaker 2: c barb.
Speaker 1: I think you did before we got to know each other.
Speaker 2: The difference with mainly is I thought it, but I
Speaker 2: didn't say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2: But people just love to vent and abuse, and they
Speaker 2: don't generally think about the consequences. They don't even usually
Speaker 2: think clearly if they're venting at the right person. But
Speaker 2: people were just angry about everything these days. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that's one thing I learned. And the other thing I
Speaker 2: learned is that people then like to go in and
Speaker 2: abuse that person who is either trolling someone else, particularly
Speaker 2: if they're doing it wrongly, as in the stake and identity.
Speaker 2: So I've been I've been attacked by I would say
Speaker 2: I've been attacked by some people, maybe in the African
Speaker 2: American community, and then I've been defended by some racists
Speaker 2: and right wingers and then most of the people have
Speaker 2: just enjoyed the banter and the circus. So I think
Speaker 2: the common thing that we all have in the world
Speaker 2: is everyone enjoys a joke. And yeah, that's one of
Speaker 2: the things I've learned. I've also learned that we're all
Speaker 2: a bit mad and some people don't like to admit
Speaker 2: when they're wrong. And I will firstly say, I'm wrong
Speaker 2: most of the time and a lot of the time,
Speaker 2: so I'll put my hand up when I am wrong,
Speaker 2: or I at least try to.
Speaker 1: Well, there's allegations that there's Russian interference in elections in
Speaker 1: England and America. Will I can promise you there was
Speaker 1: there was Australian interference in some of these exes. Because
Speaker 1: our podcast numbers have gone through the roof this week.
Speaker 2: Mate. Well, I've also had fifty quids worth of free
Speaker 2: coffees me thanks to those people. Yeah. I think my
Speaker 2: people kept saying because I have I do have a
Speaker 2: verified account, but you know, hopefully I made some money.
Speaker 2: I think I made maybe about fifty bucks from Twitter
Speaker 2: in a week. Say, look, I'll take that.
Speaker 1: Better kicking the swingers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had a bit of abuse as well. I
Speaker 2: think one of the tweets where I said, if every
Speaker 2: one can calm down, jokingly, I'm going to go and
Speaker 2: pick up my door from school if everyone can calm down,
Speaker 2: and someone responded, f you and your daughter, and that
Speaker 2: was a bit like at me. You don't need to
Speaker 2: aim it at my daughter as I as I explained
Speaker 2: in my piece, I've got lots and I know you
Speaker 2: have to. I've got lots of abuse, and you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes bullying, intimidation, legal threats, you you get used to it.
Speaker 2: So that's probably given me a thicker skin than the
Speaker 2: average joe. So yeah, you try and deal with it
Speaker 2: with a bit.
Speaker 1: X seems a bit worse than Facebook, and my my
Speaker 1: company is bigger on Facebook as a rule, and I
Speaker 1: don't think X is quite as big in Australia, so
Speaker 1: I think X has taken me longer to have any
Speaker 1: kind of real presence on there, and I still, I still,
Speaker 1: I'm trying. Really it's whereas in England it's a cess
Speaker 1: pit and America.
Speaker 2: In my experience, I think I joined X or Twitter
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, but whenever you must took over three
Speaker 2: four five whatever, it's gone a lot worse because one
Speaker 2: of the things he did when he started, he sacked
Speaker 2: seventy eighty percent of the workplace, so a lot of
Speaker 2: the people who were like regulating comments, you know, racials
Speaker 2: and things like that are just gone. So it's it's
Speaker 2: much more of a cesspit than it ever was in
Speaker 2: my experience.
Speaker 1: At least it got us some new listeners and knew
Speaker 1: some new followers and fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: I had my five minutes of favorite and I was
Speaker 2: in the Times on Saturday.
Speaker 1: So give give, give you contact details for nice tweets.
Speaker 2: Well, the people who are coming actually for Rugby League
Speaker 2: and not for the Rett's, Benter or Simpson memes. It
Speaker 2: is Johnny D. Davidson at well Johnny D. Davidson and
Speaker 2: on Facebook at John Davidson Journalists and on Patreon at
Speaker 2: Rugby League AUP dot com long rate.
Speaker 1: And on that note, you've had some people contact you
Speaker 1: and tag me in on X with some questions and
Speaker 1: we'll get really good questions. Yeah, Phil Gilberts, and this
Speaker 1: could tech was in any direction, So stay tuned for
Speaker 1: Vegas and all the updates on the news and the
Speaker 1: match reviews. Phil Gilbert, or should I say at Zippy
Speaker 1: Archie said, despite all games now live on TV. It
Speaker 1: feels like as a match going fan, I am not
Speaker 1: getting any benefit games played at the same time, many
Speaker 1: behind the red button so or can't be recorded, and
Speaker 1: poor production values, no clock, no scoreboard. Is it time
Speaker 1: that the RFL pushback against Sky.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a really good question. I think
Speaker 2: there's a number of ways to answer that. As a
Speaker 2: match going fair. Look, I don't know what team film supports.
Speaker 2: I mean, I imagine he's probably going to see his team
Speaker 2: maybe every week going away. He's not going to other games.
Speaker 2: But I think the idea of TV coverage and I
Speaker 2: think you get this more in America and Australia, and
Speaker 2: you'd probably agree lead that England's a bit different. The
Speaker 2: TV audiences are definitely a different market from the in
Speaker 2: stadium audience, you know, the in staudium adience. Sorry, the
Speaker 2: TV audience for say Wigan and Saint Helen's is for
Speaker 2: people in London or in you know, Scotland or whatever.
Speaker 2: It's it's for people who can't get to the game.
Speaker 2: It's to broadcast that to people who go, and it's
Speaker 2: to make money, you know, it's it's to provide ratings
Speaker 2: for the competition. Now, I see what he's saying about
Speaker 2: the production vase, because they aren't great when the coverage
Speaker 2: starts ten minutes before and it's just two commentators and
Speaker 2: there's no halftime show, And yeah, when you compare it
Speaker 2: to a main event or to a Fox League, it
Speaker 2: doesn't look great. But I guess we've got a way up.
Speaker 2: The fact that you can watch every game when you
Speaker 2: can only watch two or three previously out of a
Speaker 2: six game round, what's better. I mean, that's that's preference,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also don't think beggars can be choosers.
Speaker 2: And that's that's the big point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's been there's been one big broadcaster willing
Speaker 1: to cover our sport for the last thirty years very regularly,
Speaker 1: and whether they've increased or decreased the money, they're still
Speaker 1: covering our sport. And I don't know if there are
Speaker 1: people queuing up at the moment to take over from them.
Speaker 1: So I just think I just don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think kicking them into torch is an option.
Speaker 1: And I think the key just to add to that,
Speaker 1: I believe that Brian Carney is often the mouthpiece for
Speaker 1: the Sky TV crew, soor whatever he says or hints at,
Speaker 1: it's probably what some of the people who want the
Speaker 1: future of rugby league on Sky and have that in
Speaker 1: mind about what it looks like. I think Brian's possibly
Speaker 1: a mouthpiece for those, and John Wilkin as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with that, knowing Brian fairly well,
Speaker 2: I think Brian has got strong opinions of his.
Speaker 1: Own and yeah, of course yeah, and on.
Speaker 2: John Wilkin does. But Sky's a whole look. A lot
Speaker 2: of rugby league fans in England seem to think that
Speaker 2: Sky is like a charity. It is a business, and
Speaker 2: their business is to make money. Now. The reason they
Speaker 2: put billions or whatever however much they put in the
Speaker 2: Premier League football is because it makes them money. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously they've done their numbers and their figures, and you
Speaker 2: are rightly there's not a huge amount of other broadcasters
Speaker 2: who are going to put big money into rugby league
Speaker 2: in the UK. That's just a fact. Like I think
Speaker 2: Design we're interested in the last time, but they offered
Speaker 2: less than what Sky offered. So the only way we
Speaker 2: really push that TV deil is we become more popular
Speaker 2: we get more participants, we get more full stadiums, we
Speaker 2: get better ratings, and we entice another broadcaster. Now there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people who want to kick Sky into touch,
Speaker 2: but there is no other alternative at this point in time.
Speaker 2: That's the reality. A lot of people don't want to
Speaker 2: agree with that, or they don't want to admit it,
Speaker 2: but the sport is not nationally popular enough, and I
Speaker 2: think just there's been great games and some great metrics.
Speaker 2: In the first couple of rounds. The only main event
Speaker 2: game I think has been the Vegas game, but in
Speaker 2: most of the Thursday Friday night games darts football, but
Speaker 2: even darts has been on the main event channel and
Speaker 2: super Leagues and previously in the last couple of years,
Speaker 2: Super Leagu's actually been on that main event channel. So
Speaker 2: it just goes to show darts has sort of come
Speaker 2: from nowhere and is really popular in the UK. Down
Speaker 2: women's football is another thing that years.
Speaker 1: Ago wasn't on the radar, and Sky would put it
Speaker 1: on the main event if they thought it was going
Speaker 1: to get the eyeballs.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the reality. That is that is the reality.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we just have to we have to
Speaker 2: work on ourselves to make ourselves more popular and nationally relevant,
Speaker 2: and and Vegas is something that can help do that,
Speaker 2: and I think has helped do that in some ways.
Speaker 1: Simon Paul at Paul Beck two two two two two
Speaker 1: two two eight zero double five eight says discuss the
Speaker 1: pros and cons of the NRL buying a stake in
Speaker 1: SL Super League. Also, other than a great piss up,
Speaker 1: how does Las Vegas really grow the sport if we
Speaker 1: are trying to grow it in the US, there's better
Speaker 1: areas to have the match? And Ben Blackwell at Ben
Speaker 1: M Blackwell, on the back of that said, following on
Speaker 1: from Simon's question, what is the actual reality of the
Speaker 1: old guard accepting NRL involvement? What guarantees need to be
Speaker 1: given for existing clubs in Super League to remain in
Speaker 1: the comp? So I suppose a two tier question there,
Speaker 1: NRL taking over super League and the Vegas experiment.
Speaker 2: I mean that's literally a podcast you could discussed that. Look,
Speaker 2: I'll try and condense what of my thoughts are, and
Speaker 2: you you chime in with yours or you know, let
Speaker 2: me describe. But I think person and I think the
Speaker 2: NRL partnership takeover Core is the way to go for
Speaker 2: Super League. I think me and you are probably of
Speaker 2: the few people who've lived and worked in both competitions
Speaker 2: or at least experience it to kind of know where
Speaker 2: things could work. The NRL has got a lot more money,
Speaker 2: a lot more resource. It's also got very good expertise
Speaker 2: in marketing rugby league and things that work, while Super
Speaker 2: League doesn't. And I think there could be huge benefits
Speaker 2: in knowledge sharing, in feeder relationships with clubs, swapping players,
Speaker 2: you know, junior players or senior players going either way. Coach,
Speaker 2: you'd be a big fan of this. I mean coach, education, referees,
Speaker 2: referee and also coming in house together. We would have
Speaker 2: ashes regularly, we'd have more internationals, we'd have probably state
Speaker 2: of origin in Wembley, would probably have an NRL. We
Speaker 2: may already have an NRL around in London, not too long.
Speaker 2: But I think there are many cross code benefits, cross
Speaker 2: competition benefits, and I think Brian Carney said this, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to work together to grow the
Speaker 2: sport because we are a small sport. You know, we
Speaker 2: need to we need to leverage off each other. And
Speaker 2: I think I think both parties could benefit from that
Speaker 2: that's my honest opinion.
Speaker 1: Well, well i'll just bring it into one of the
Speaker 1: news items that we're going to talk about. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk about that Brian Carney interview with Peter Valandi
Speaker 1: is now. First of all, the lander's had a great haircut,
Speaker 1: he's barnet, he's looking fantastic.
Speaker 2: I just want to add to that. I saw him
Speaker 2: in the flesh at the Ashes. I think it was
Speaker 2: the second test coming out and yeah, when you see
Speaker 2: that close, there's there's some there's some work going on
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 1: So he had it back then as well.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't I think he's had a fresh down.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's down for Vegas, but you could
Speaker 2: tell there's yeah, and look, I'm we're making light of this. Look,
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't really matter what he looks like.
Speaker 1: It's more look, honestly, the man I think is the
Speaker 1: best administrator Rugby League's had since the Arthursan days basically so,
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I think any administrator there's
Speaker 1: always going to think, there's always going to be things
Speaker 1: that you want them to do better. But I think
Speaker 1: on the whole, yes, past mark, So.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with everything he says or does, but
Speaker 2: he's had massive successes and Artison and John Clow with doubt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so you know that all this is done
Speaker 1: with with with jest. So that interview was quite an
Speaker 1: in depth one with Brian Carney. And this is what
Speaker 1: I was suggesting about about Brian being a bit of
Speaker 1: a mouthpiece. So when he says things like rugby league
Speaker 1: in England needs a massive cash injection, I know that
Speaker 1: is possibly a fact, but it also could be Sky
Speaker 1: thinking we're going to give them even less at the moment,
Speaker 1: or we're going to give them nothing because the sport's
Speaker 1: withering on the vine. So but there were some interesting
Speaker 1: things in that. Wasn't that he got some real good
Speaker 1: access to the land. Is what did you take from that?
Speaker 1: Because I think this still answers the question from the
Speaker 1: two boys that we've just asked.
Speaker 2: I think there was lots of interesting points in there.
Speaker 2: I think, as we all know, the Negotians are done
Speaker 2: behind closed doors and what said publicly is often very different. Well,
Speaker 2: I've been I'm contacting a few people. I haven't sort
Speaker 2: of been able to say anything up so I don't
Speaker 2: know where things stand. But I don't know if the
Speaker 2: appetite from the UK side is there to give the
Speaker 2: NERL control because it is the clubs who run the
Speaker 2: show in England and I think the original idea was
Speaker 2: a ten ten competition, which was unpalatable to a lot
Speaker 2: of them. And there is still massive divisions with the
Speaker 2: amongst the super A game, you know, with sort of
Speaker 2: wigging on one side and then you've got your.
Speaker 1: So that answers in part Ben's question, what is the
Speaker 1: actual reality of the Old Guard accepting it? Basically, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll look.
Speaker 2: I mean part of the one of the news items
Speaker 2: is obviously the nomination for Niger Waters chair. Now, look,
Speaker 2: was anyone surprised when that happened? No, because we all
Speaker 2: know how things work. And also most of the committee
Speaker 2: that nominated him was people that he started, the Strategic
Speaker 2: Review Committee. So look, he's just come back, or he's
Speaker 2: come back a year and a bit ago. Is he
Speaker 2: going to give up power? I mean, that would seem
Speaker 2: very unlikely that Nuge would do that, and obviously he's
Speaker 2: got a lot of support and I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of you. We can use the analogy of Turkey's voting
Speaker 2: for Christmas. So if you're a club and you would
Speaker 2: probably be outside of the NRL's want or need in
Speaker 2: a competition. Are you going to vote for that? Probably not.
Speaker 2: That's how I how I say it.
Speaker 1: Richard King also asked on Facebook after the Vegas weekend,
Speaker 1: it's clear to see the two Hemisphere competitions can coexist
Speaker 1: together perfectly. With that in mind, and the land is
Speaker 1: looking successful in his Super League investment and so I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's got some intel there. Would you
Speaker 1: both say beneficial further to pair a Super League and
Speaker 1: NRL club together to share ideas, progression methods and potentially
Speaker 1: develop younger players.
Speaker 2: Well, you're there's a few clubs already doing that. Look,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much their share, but I know
Speaker 2: York signed an agreement with Penrith I think mainly signed
Speaker 2: one with Cast. You know, but they're not They're not
Speaker 2: sort of sister relationships in that, say, the Brisbane Broncos
Speaker 2: used to own the London Broncos. They're not like that,
Speaker 2: but they could be in the future. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think it was a few years ago. You remember when
Speaker 2: Harry Grant was just coming through and Melbourne loaned into
Speaker 2: West Tigers. Yeah, I remember because Harry Grant's manager, I
Speaker 2: think said this publicly. They were going to they wanted
Speaker 2: to loan him to a super League club. They wanted
Speaker 2: to stay him to super League for a year, get
Speaker 2: games in him and then bring it back. How good
Speaker 2: would that be the next generation of NRL great superstars had,
Speaker 2: you know at eighteen, nineteen twenty whatever had a year
Speaker 2: in super League, you absolutely they were they were playing
Speaker 2: for Casts or they're playing for Wakefield, and then they
Speaker 2: went back.
Speaker 1: And many of them would qualify for England as well,
Speaker 1: and they'd still be able to play Origin. Yeah, change
Speaker 1: to the rules.
Speaker 2: I think. I think the fact that if if we
Speaker 2: had the two competitions showing up, we'd have a World
Speaker 2: Cup Challenge in the calendar every year. We'd have more
Speaker 2: regular test matches. We have so many better, you know,
Speaker 2: we maybe we would have a global TV deal which
Speaker 2: would mean more money for super League. There's lots of
Speaker 2: there's lots of things. I think one thing we won't have,
Speaker 2: and I know this keeps getting mentioned by something Australia,
Speaker 2: we won't have a return to winter for super League. No.
Speaker 1: Somebody else asked that question, Yeah, so that that wipes out.
Speaker 2: You told me you're the you're the Englishman and you
Speaker 2: grew up, you were have seen both because you're old enough,
Speaker 2: you probably played or you would have played your amateur
Speaker 2: in the winter days. And Mark Clifton asked the question
Speaker 2: about that, by the way, yeah you would have been
Speaker 2: on terraces in November.
Speaker 1: But I also played in it. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Would you do you think I moved from and the
Speaker 2: move from show was because Sky said he's whatever. It
Speaker 2: was eighty million quid. Yeah, the completely changed the game.
Speaker 2: There was one professional club and then suddenly there was
Speaker 2: a tunnel them. Do you think I moved back to summer?
Speaker 2: Would work or be smart?
Speaker 1: All I'll say is I wouldn't really out completely because
Speaker 1: I would, but okay, because and I'd love you to
Speaker 1: tell me why when I finished. But this isn't nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six anymore. And the quality of grounds tend to
Speaker 1: be better. The facilities are better. Apart from sort of thing,
Speaker 1: but the facilit it is a better as a rule.
Speaker 1: The quote the technology around turning around fields after and
Speaker 1: stadia after and processes after a game are thirty years
Speaker 1: better than they were.
Speaker 2: Athletic friends would disagree with you on.
Speaker 1: That, but yeah, right, yeah, I just don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think a massive we're not doing it should should be
Speaker 1: done yet because I mean, I know, I know the
Speaker 1: governing bodies like to put spin on attendance figures, on this,
Speaker 1: that and the other, but if you had to look
Speaker 1: at the history of attendances and whatnot, the attendances aren't
Speaker 1: that much different to when we played in the winter. Anyway, Look,
Speaker 1: I don't think we should, but I would certainly never
Speaker 1: take it off the table because and then and then
Speaker 1: there's also we could even consider a little bit of
Speaker 1: a league a league thought process here. Who says you
Speaker 1: have to have a winter sport or a summer sport.
Speaker 1: Why can't you go across the two. Because I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why, John, Super League has had a clear run
Speaker 1: for the last four weeks of rugby league minded people
Speaker 1: all around the world, people who were mad rugby league
Speaker 1: fans will have been consuming Super League, okay. And also
Speaker 1: it gives us opportunities to have things like Vegas and
Speaker 1: the World Club Challenge because they don't they don't impact
Speaker 1: they don't impact the season as much when they're out
Speaker 1: of the NRL season. So I just wouldn't rule it out.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm not saying we should go back to winter.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I would not rule it out.
Speaker 2: I keep it on the table very It wouldn't be
Speaker 2: ruled out unless there was a massive cash incentive. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so there's a TV that said, look, you'll
Speaker 2: get I don't know a million more per club or
Speaker 2: twenty million more times, and obviously it would be considered.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that would happen. And I think
Speaker 2: if you look at the you know, the movie sets,
Speaker 2: I mean you are right. The Super League season at
Speaker 2: the moment goes from February to October, so it's not
Speaker 2: like it's bully in the summer anyway. But if it
Speaker 2: did change, I don't know, from November to well supposed
Speaker 2: to be it'll be October to I don't know, April
Speaker 2: or whatever whatever it was previously, it would be exactly
Speaker 2: competitive with football, and it will also compete with rugby
Speaker 2: union and the weather. Australian people don't understand how bad
Speaker 2: the weather is in England. You essentially have kind of
Speaker 2: three seasons in a Super League season anyway. Like the
Speaker 2: weather at the moment, it's rained every day. It's terrible
Speaker 2: and it's not nice going to games, but then in
Speaker 2: the summer it's quite nice usually you know, there's lots
Speaker 2: of nice weather and then and then it gets to
Speaker 2: raining again when we get to Grand Final time. So
Speaker 2: I think that we were put off. It would also
Speaker 2: be put off for broadcasters because I think while there
Speaker 2: are obviously competition in some of this cricket and there's
Speaker 2: other things, I think it's Super League's actually a good
Speaker 2: window for a summer sport in the UK now.
Speaker 1: The other consideration is the community game, because the community
Speaker 1: game has mostly gone over to summer now, but they
Speaker 1: often have to have six weeks off in the summer
Speaker 1: because people go on holiday, which almost defies the point
Speaker 1: of moving to summer if you ask me if you
Speaker 1: have two weeks off in the middle. And that obviously
Speaker 1: so that there's so many pros and columns again, that's
Speaker 1: probably another podcast on its own. John, There's just one
Speaker 1: more point I want to go on the whole potential
Speaker 1: NRL investment, and this is why our questions are so good.
Speaker 1: To Ben's point, what guarantees need to be given over
Speaker 1: existing clubs in Super League remaining in the competition. I
Speaker 1: think the Lands or the Lands administration tends to leak
Speaker 1: things to the media to get the public's opinion on them, doubt,
Speaker 1: and one of the leagues was the well, there was
Speaker 1: a few. There was whether Manchester Roosters were going to happen,
Speaker 1: But there was another one that there was going to
Speaker 1: be a ten team super League and in my be wrong,
Speaker 1: I think it came out of Lander's mouth at one
Speaker 1: point and straight away you're gonna fans of a few
Speaker 1: clubs who were going to get twitchy. Now Nigel Ward
Speaker 1: and his gang have instead extended the super League to fourteen.
Speaker 1: So there's probably a clash of yah wasoph is there
Speaker 1: isn't there?
Speaker 2: Definitely? Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. And I think the
Speaker 2: NRL idea was a ten time competition with the London
Speaker 2: and two teams in France because they see Frances quite strategic.
Speaker 2: They say London is quite strategic. Now I think a
Speaker 2: lot of those older traditional clubs, you know, aren't that
Speaker 2: bothered about London or France, and they see France is
Speaker 2: a bit of a well bring it away fans or
Speaker 2: a coss us money blah blah blah blah blah. So
Speaker 2: there is a class of ideologies there and there's been
Speaker 2: you know, rumors or reports of potential investment in Super
Speaker 2: League from the Middle East America. Personally, I've never heard
Speaker 2: that sort of questionability of that. I think it's pie
Speaker 2: in the sky. But look, I maybe proved wrong. I
Speaker 2: think we can all agree that English Rugby League, not
Speaker 2: just Super League, needs a capital investment. It needs cash,
Speaker 2: it needs more money, and he's quite handstrung by that.
Speaker 2: We did misappoint in one of those questions, which was
Speaker 2: about Vegas and why are they targeting Vegas and other
Speaker 2: places in America. I was in Vegas last year. I've
Speaker 2: been to Vegas twice before that. It was quite amazing
Speaker 2: just to see the city kind of taken over by
Speaker 2: rugby league. It's quite of a surreal moment, you know,
Speaker 2: walk along the strip and you see a guy in
Speaker 2: a well people with a steed, and then you pull
Speaker 2: out and heat passing to a steed and across the
Speaker 2: strip back. It's like pinch me moments. But it's an
Speaker 2: amazing trip. Like I think, I don't think. Look, I know,
Speaker 2: and I saw your post on Facebook then, and I
Speaker 2: agree with this. Originally the plan was that we're going
Speaker 2: to take over America. I think that's all ballots I
Speaker 2: think it is a fantastic publicity move to energize the
Speaker 2: NRL market. This train market to grab all oxygen out
Speaker 2: of the AFL and everywhere else, and it gets all
Speaker 2: the media. Obviously they pay for all the NRL media
Speaker 2: and journeys to go over there, but it gets so
Speaker 2: much coverage, so much buzz that it is you know,
Speaker 2: it's a success and people love going. And there's been
Speaker 2: a lot of parochialism from the English market and English
Speaker 2: media about oh, they need Super League the NRL. Look,
Speaker 2: I think we can debate that. But the thing is
Speaker 2: there was four to five thousand English fans who went
Speaker 2: to the NRL in Vegas the first year when there
Speaker 2: was no English involvement. So as you know, Lee, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of NRL fans who are English who live
Speaker 2: in England. Yeah, so they're already getting people from England
Speaker 2: to come when there was no women's game, when there
Speaker 2: was no wig and nowhere into no okay, no leads.
Speaker 2: So that's my point and people will argue this. That's
Speaker 2: why I'd say if you took State of Origin to Wembley,
Speaker 2: you would sell it out.
Speaker 1: Well you got close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think you would look. I
Speaker 2: know rugby union people that I know who are you know,
Speaker 2: fans Rugby union fans, but they go, oh, this is Origin.
Speaker 2: It's amazing, Like it's an event. It's like the NFL,
Speaker 2: you know when it comes to.
Speaker 1: That Wimbledon or a Formula one or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's something, it's something special. And they might
Speaker 2: not all be rugby league fans, but they you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, a big heavyweight boxing match. You
Speaker 2: might not be a boxing die hard who goes and watches,
Speaker 2: you know, amateur fights every weekend, but you just might
Speaker 2: want to be a part of something that's quite special.
Speaker 2: And I think an Origin game when we would be
Speaker 2: I think an URL round would also get a massive
Speaker 2: crowd in London. So yeah, I think Vegas has just
Speaker 2: got that cache. It's got that that special glitz and glamour.
Speaker 2: But I think the funniest thing. The funny thing is
Speaker 2: I think the third year and you look at the crowd,
Speaker 2: what they in the crowd figures, I think a little
Speaker 2: bit questionable that said they average we got five hundred
Speaker 2: more than last year something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I actually think from the UK perspective it was actually
Speaker 2: quieter this year. Than last year because skuy didn't invest
Speaker 2: in as much money promoting it. I think there was
Speaker 2: fewer journeys who went over and also the time slot
Speaker 2: was quite horrible for the UK market.
Speaker 1: It was midnight in England, wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah? And last year it was I think nine pm
Speaker 2: or nine thirty and the Wigan Warrington game was the
Speaker 2: highest rated Super League game of Sky ever in thirty years.
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to do right now is is take
Speaker 1: all the question because we've got loads and more questions John.
Speaker 1: They all came through yesterday. I'm trying to put them
Speaker 1: into the match roundups and things like that, plus some
Speaker 1: of our news items so that this isn't a seven
Speaker 1: hour podcast. The first thing, the first thing I want
Speaker 1: to talk about, well, sorry, what we'll go through now
Speaker 1: is sort of match reviews if you like. We did
Speaker 1: cover the Lee hammering at the hands of Wigan the
Speaker 1: other day. One of our news items though, was some
Speaker 1: of the things that Derek Bowman said in the lead
Speaker 1: up to that. Can you take us through that?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't remember the specific words, but he was
Speaker 2: just basically complaining about the inhumane treatment of Lee fans
Speaker 2: and to be honest, the whole statement was embarrassing and pathetic.
Speaker 1: After Lee fans probably live in Wigan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well look, I think it's just it's like a
Speaker 2: toddler throwing his prems out of the toys, out of
Speaker 2: the prem The thing is, we talked about the game. Look, Wigan,
Speaker 2: we're magnificently, we're diabolical. I think the you know what's
Speaker 2: come up on social media after and I think it
Speaker 2: needs addressing because we talked about the testing new situation
Speaker 2: when it broke, what was it a month or so ago,
Speaker 2: But the Lee fans are singing chanting TESTI new twas
Speaker 2: who he wants? Yeah, I mean not nice? Is that? Like?
Speaker 2: Really like this? This is what happens though, when you
Speaker 2: don't act on these things and you don't address them,
Speaker 2: it's really quite disgusting. I think. So it's just another
Speaker 2: bad look from the Lee club. But you know, the
Speaker 2: fish rots from the head and what can we expect.
Speaker 1: Well, they've got some work to do because they were
Speaker 1: awful on Thursday and that's a derby, and that there'll
Speaker 1: be people who were going to work in Lee and
Speaker 1: Wigan on Friday morning and would have struggled to struggle
Speaker 1: to win the conversation with some Wigan fans because they
Speaker 1: were awful, absolutely awful.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you that I've had you know, people
Speaker 2: contacting me saying make claims and they're just rumors at
Speaker 2: this point about certain staff leaving the club. I think,
Speaker 2: and I had this rumor a while ago and I
Speaker 2: put it to Adrian Lamb and he straight better. But
Speaker 2: I don't think Adrian Lamb will be at I think
Speaker 2: he'll I think he's the top target for the P
Speaker 2: and g A Chiefs and I don't think he'll be
Speaker 2: at Lee for years and years in the future. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if.
Speaker 1: I actually think. I actually think that there's already a
Speaker 1: few in the Super League already of teams. So I
Speaker 1: think Wigan, Leeds, Warrington and Saints have probably shown enough
Speaker 1: in at least two games, so in Saints' case and
Speaker 1: in Leeds case that they're going to be near the
Speaker 1: top of the ladder or in the final situations. Well
Speaker 1: done to Warrington at the moment because there was a
Speaker 1: bit of pressure on them. We've then got the next group,
Speaker 1: which is basically the promoted sides to lose York and
Speaker 1: Bradford Bulls who've all had a couple of wins each.
Speaker 1: And then we've got Castleford, Hull, f C, Wakefield and
Speaker 1: Lee who were nowhere near where they would have expected
Speaker 1: they were going to be. And then we've got Huddersfield,
Speaker 1: Catalans and who k are in the bottom group at
Speaker 1: the moment, who are going, what the hell is.
Speaker 2: Going on here?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What the hell? What the hell are we? What's
Speaker 1: going on? And that's already emerging. And one of the
Speaker 1: reasons Huddersfield are in that scenario al is Castleford thirty
Speaker 1: four Huddersfield eight, which was in the shootout between the
Speaker 1: two sides who hadn't won a game yet. Ashton Golden
Speaker 1: scored on his castle For debut against his former club.
Speaker 1: It was sixteen to four at the break, first win
Speaker 1: for head coach Ryan carr John. Huddersfield's defense is awful.
Speaker 1: It looks to me like they've not done enough work
Speaker 1: on it. I went into quite a bit of detail
Speaker 1: in their defense over the last couple of weeks. Their
Speaker 1: spacings in defense are too big. Teams are easily just
Speaker 1: scoring through them. They overslide when the slide. There seems
Speaker 1: to be a lack of communication when they do slide.
Speaker 1: I can go into detail on the tackle techniques, where
Speaker 1: they put the feet, their approach to tackle. I honestly
Speaker 1: think there's some very basic errors in that side that
Speaker 1: I don't expect from a Super League side. Quite frankly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they couldn't hold the ball on Friday night
Speaker 2: and I think Luke Robinson said they were rubbish.
Speaker 1: That was quote, Yeah I thought we were rubbish. Played
Speaker 1: as simple as that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was pretty scathing. And look they've
Speaker 2: got a huge amount of injuries. But from where they
Speaker 2: were last week against Wakefield the game that I was at,
Speaker 2: and they were very very competitive and you know, arguably
Speaker 2: unlucky to lose that they were very very poor. So
Speaker 2: that's you know, against a desperate cast team who hadn't
Speaker 2: won a game that that scoreline is a real, real concern.
Speaker 2: And Luke Robinson's been at that club for quite a
Speaker 2: while now in terms of the job, and things are
Speaker 2: getting worse, not better. So look, you know he's got
Speaker 2: a horrendous injury run and I know that's but he
Speaker 2: wasn't using there as an excuse because they have got
Speaker 2: still a lot of experience in that team. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at your Lola, hears your Burgesses. You know
Speaker 2: a number of players that got there. So yeah, just
Speaker 2: very worrying, worrying times for Hoddersfield. I can't see how
Speaker 2: it gets better soon.
Speaker 1: Hall f C sixteen York Night's seventeen, the newly promoted
Speaker 1: winning their second game by the hair of their chiny
Speaker 1: chin chin. Hull left season other team that will be
Speaker 1: thinking what's going on here? Their edge defense is really
Speaker 1: their edge defense is really poor at the moment and
Speaker 1: they seem to lack some pace across the side. Two
Speaker 1: tries from David Nuffaluma, the journayman who's now signed for York,
Speaker 1: on his debut for them, and it was sixteen to
Speaker 1: ten before Richardson dropped an extra point for York and
Speaker 1: what a smart decision that was. And to compound Hull
Speaker 1: left C's issues, Liam Knight he's going back to Australia.
Speaker 1: He played on Friday, thought he was wholehearted and now
Speaker 1: he's going back home.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean that's an interesting one because I think
Speaker 2: I think the Mole had written that his management is
Speaker 2: looking for another club in super Lake, so I don't know,
Speaker 2: I have no idea what's going on there. I mean
Speaker 2: the compassionate straining grounds whether he goes back to Australia,
Speaker 2: you know. But look, I think Liam Knights had four
Speaker 2: or five clubs before. I think you can see generally
Speaker 2: with these signings that super Bink cubs make that their
Speaker 2: recruitment sometimes is very shoddy.
Speaker 1: And this is this is the problem, this is the
Speaker 1: problem when we all talk about, oh, all we have
Speaker 1: to do is send players over to England or or
Speaker 1: coach over to England. It's not for some people. Apparently
Speaker 1: Wally Lewis when he turned up at Wakefield in the
Speaker 1: eighties looked at the pitch and said, I'm not playing
Speaker 1: on that. For example, some people fall in love with it,
Speaker 1: Others really struggle with the with the differences and vice versa.
Speaker 1: A lot of English people struggle in Australia.
Speaker 2: But I think when Wally were now giving him ten
Speaker 2: grand a game or whatever it was, and he managed,
Speaker 2: they did get relegated and go bust after that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Wakefield fans don't have a great memory of
Speaker 1: Wally Lewis.
Speaker 2: Actually no, no, he still he still comes. He was
Speaker 2: over at that Christmas. He does his speaking in that.
Speaker 2: But no, look you are right there. I just think
Speaker 2: like Liam Knight's gone through a lot of clubs. I
Speaker 2: don't think he would have was the right swuning for
Speaker 2: halves at the time and yeah, but you are right
Speaker 2: like it' that's a real embarrassing defeat for whole. But
Speaker 2: the flip side is that like New York, how good
Speaker 2: are they going? Like they're feeding the two clubs. It
Speaker 2: was quite I was watching the other game and only
Speaker 2: switched it over to see the last ten to fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes was quite an entertainment and it wasn't a great
Speaker 2: look to see cape Cas go down try and basically
Speaker 2: dive to get a penalty at the front, But good
Speaker 2: work by the refs and the video ref not to
Speaker 2: fall for it, and I think York deserve to win
Speaker 2: that game, so good on.
Speaker 1: I think the issue with all FC is that there
Speaker 1: were abjects against Wigan the week before and you always
Speaker 1: think you're going you're going to get a response, yeah,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately that wasn't a response. Like I said, they
Speaker 1: just look a little bit slow to me in some
Speaker 1: places and both edges, both edges are leaking like a
Speaker 1: saive York the same things I'd say about them. I
Speaker 1: have not changed my view on them. I mean the
Speaker 1: two wins they have got got on the board, they
Speaker 1: literally have won by a point and if the wind
Speaker 1: blows in a different direction, they have not won those games.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you've got to you've got to remember that
Speaker 2: they've got half the central distribution.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not criticized. I'm just saying that it's tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And I think, you know, the salary
Speaker 2: cap is so much loud, but I think credit mark
Speaker 2: applega every and energy and enthusiasm and they're just they're scrapping,
Speaker 2: aren't that? And yeah it's good to see. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Warrington twenty seven Wakefield sixteen. I actually think this was
Speaker 1: the highest quality game of the round. I thought it
Speaker 1: was two teams going pretty much Toll to toll and
Speaker 1: it was a really good game actually, and it was
Speaker 1: a well fought win for Warrington. Some Burgesses team.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Warrington were I think I had a to
Speaker 2: be comfortable and then Wakefield came really roaring back into
Speaker 2: it and could have stolen it. Was it was quite entertaining.
Speaker 2: I think, look, you know, great signs of Warrington has
Speaker 2: shown some real hearts and real ticker. They've obviously had
Speaker 2: a Buyer Round two with the World Club Challenge. So
Speaker 2: two wins from two and Wakefield will be disappointed that
Speaker 2: they didn't come. You know, get some of that game.
Speaker 2: I think Truman was, you know, really really strong. Jackson
Speaker 2: Field was quite decent as well. But yeah, credit to Warrington,
Speaker 2: and you know, after the terrible year that had last year,
Speaker 2: this is as a promising start.
Speaker 1: Both sides were completing it in the region of ninety
Speaker 1: percent two. So this is what I mean about being
Speaker 1: a high quality game of football. It was fourteen two
Speaker 1: to Warrington at halftime. I want to make mention of
Speaker 1: Mark Snad's kicking game, which I thought was excellent and
Speaker 1: was also for Warrington. To put that in some context.
Speaker 1: Wakefield had won the last three games between the two sides.
Speaker 1: Back to a team that's in trouble Catalans six tries
Speaker 1: for Saint Helen's against them and two from Daryl Clark
Speaker 1: and he's three hundred and fiftieth match. Now, the scary
Speaker 1: thing for the Catalans is this game was only six
Speaker 1: and al at half time and it was on their
Speaker 1: own patch.
Speaker 2: I only caught a bit of this because then for
Speaker 2: some reason, my Sky on Demand wouldn't deliver me the replace.
Speaker 2: I could catch up with it. But yeah, from what
Speaker 2: I've read and what I've seen, they just basically died
Speaker 2: off the last thirty minutes, didn't They Like they were
Speaker 2: quite competitive for fifty minutes and then someon Ellen's just
Speaker 2: scored try after trying. That that's really worrying at home
Speaker 2: after a terrible performance. I think Johel Tompkins is a
Speaker 2: very very honest coach, and I think he was pretty
Speaker 2: scathing post match, and that's two weeks in a row.
Speaker 2: He's been skating. Now you're the coach, Lee, so you
Speaker 2: can tell better than me, But I don't think you
Speaker 2: can be that skating week after week with your team.
Speaker 2: Eventually they switch off.
Speaker 1: So I think I think if you've got a plan
Speaker 1: and to the outside world, I've been through this a
Speaker 1: couple of times, to the outside world, the results and
Speaker 1: everything else looks like it's not happening. But if you
Speaker 1: know it's going to turn, your messaging needs to reflect that.
Speaker 1: And I think both with Luke Robinson and now with Tomkins,
Speaker 1: there's an element of I've done all I can, but
Speaker 1: we're not doing it right. So once you start talking
Speaker 1: like that, you're starting to put blame on players, and
Speaker 1: that never ends well if it's done too much. And
Speaker 1: from Tomkins's honest assessments, which I love, by the way,
Speaker 1: but it won't work for many people in this modern world.
Speaker 1: Some people need a bit more encouragement, some people need
Speaker 1: a bit more constructive feedback.
Speaker 2: I think I think we've Haddisfield obviously some mitigations with
Speaker 2: their horrific intro out. I think Catlan's are pretty much
Speaker 2: for full strength and it's a fairly new group there.
Speaker 2: And Tompkins, it's I mean, I know he got the
Speaker 2: job wedway through last year, but it's essentially his first
Speaker 2: year as a coach. He's not had a lot of experience.
Speaker 2: I think. I don't think they even interviewed other candidates.
Speaker 2: They just gave him the job. That's quite questionable. So
Speaker 2: whether he's at this stage of his career ready to
Speaker 2: lead a Super League team, I think is what we're
Speaker 2: going to find out in the near future. But that
Speaker 2: for me was really worrying. So not though they got
Speaker 2: beat but the fact that they kind of gave up.
Speaker 1: It was twenty four and il was fifteen minutes to
Speaker 1: go and they didn't score until the seventieth minute. And
Speaker 1: they've been awful for the last two weeks now and
Speaker 1: the only one, the only win they had was against Huddersfield,
Speaker 1: So that's in a bit of context. If you asked me,
Speaker 1: they were so poor against Bradford and the second half
Speaker 1: year there were missing so many tackles. So yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: plenty of work to do there. Over to Vegas, kr
Speaker 1: Well got absolutely hammered by leads fifty eight to six.
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 1: I forgot to put the score down? I think I
Speaker 1: think leaders' game plan get the ball early to micros
Speaker 1: Evo when it's a try.
Speaker 2: Well that I mean you said they got hammered in
Speaker 2: the games. They get hammered before the game because you
Speaker 2: kind of you see that score line and you sort
Speaker 2: of think, what was their prep. Look, I'll give them
Speaker 2: some credit the fact they played the World Cup Challenge
Speaker 2: a week before. They were near perfect in that game.
Speaker 2: No one gave him a chance against the Broncos. They
Speaker 2: dominated the Broncos for sixty minutes. They got you know,
Speaker 2: and they would have. They had a few beers after
Speaker 2: that game, and it's very hard mentally to get up
Speaker 2: for such a and then you know, then you've got
Speaker 2: to go to Vegas. Everything. Look, I don't know whether
Speaker 2: it got to their heads. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: if it just it all went wrong. But the leads
Speaker 2: were red hot and Hugout were very very poor. Like Civo.
Speaker 2: We all know, it's not like he's a secret weapon,
Speaker 2: Like he's not a young he's not a new player
Speaker 2: scene any who's watched him play, you know, but he
Speaker 2: was just running over people. But the thing that was
Speaker 2: really bad for me was the last four minutes. Cooper
Speaker 2: Jenkins scored twice, you know, so they didn't you know,
Speaker 2: they didn't really respond. They just were quite soft throughout
Speaker 2: that for eighty minutes.
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a court here, a
Speaker 1: bit like Leslie van Nicolo. Yeah, super League, let's talk
Speaker 1: about whole KR because you've mentioned them. I think their
Speaker 1: best performer was the erasure dude. Before the game. It
Speaker 1: was twenty it was twenty Yeah, it was twenty four
Speaker 1: nil by twenty eight nail by halftime. And let's have
Speaker 1: a look at a Whole k R. Let's analyze it.
Speaker 1: They've lost two from two Super League games now and
Speaker 1: the World Club Challenge that were saved by the hooter
Speaker 1: basically in Brisbane's poor start and their second halves are
Speaker 1: interesting too. So they conceded thirteen points against York in
Speaker 1: round one in the second half and the second half
Speaker 1: of the World Club Challenge is conceded twenty and then
Speaker 1: conceded fifty eight in this game. So it's one hundred
Speaker 1: and one points in three games at an average of
Speaker 1: thirty three thirty four ish like that. This is a
Speaker 1: team that last year John was so stingy in defense.
Speaker 1: They averaged eleven again against the best. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: We've had some questions pertaining to juk Are. I'll put
Speaker 1: them in now where they're gone, where they're gone with
Speaker 1: where they're gone. Okay, will a World Club Challenge win?
Speaker 1: See the NRL come calling for Willie Peters before the
Speaker 1: end of his current contract, and if he goes, can
Speaker 1: Roll sustain their recent success without him?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I think there was you know, the Knights
Speaker 2: one in the job last year that went to Justin
Speaker 2: the whole Brooks. So there's already been in our old
Speaker 2: clubs in for him before they won the travel and
Speaker 2: I don't think a big defeat in Vegas is going
Speaker 2: to change that book. Yeah, they'll big clubs that come calling.
Speaker 2: Whether Willie sees out his contract or goes early, that's
Speaker 2: up to Willie. In terms of in terms of succession playing,
Speaker 2: that's really interesting because I think, look, they've got you
Speaker 2: would say the two of most important players, which is
Speaker 2: Linton and Lewis, are both in their mid mid to
Speaker 2: early twenties and the long term deal, so I think
Speaker 2: they've got the call there. They've also got, you know,
Speaker 2: Morgs relatively young. They've got sort of a good blend
Speaker 2: of experience and youth there. But in terms of the coaching, look,
Speaker 2: he's only just brought into new assistants and that's Ian
Speaker 2: Watson and Luke Gale retired a couple of years, relatively new,
Speaker 2: and he's coaching. Ian Watson's been coaching for a long time,
Speaker 2: had a lot of success at Salford, had made a
Speaker 2: Challenge Cup final his first year in Huddersfield and then
Speaker 2: it went wrong and he got sacked at Husefield. So
Speaker 2: whether they see what I was the next in line rank,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I think it's always hard
Speaker 2: to replace a coach who's had a massive impact impact
Speaker 2: like that. But I think for whole KR it's very
Speaker 2: very hard when you win a treble. Look at you know,
Speaker 2: Wigan the year before and they did the same thing.
Speaker 2: They won for trophies, like they made the Grand Final
Speaker 2: last year, but they didn't win a trophy last year.
Speaker 2: It's very hard to maintain that level of excellence.
Speaker 1: Nothing fails like success, John, nothing fails like success.
Speaker 2: That in saying that, and I was, I was messaging
Speaker 2: a maid who's a whole k r Fen. I was saying, well,
Speaker 2: you've lost the mine apprenticeship already, and I was half joking,
Speaker 2: but they have dropped four points. And if you're Wigging
Speaker 2: and you're looking at everyone three from three and look
Speaker 2: red hot, you'll be like, well, that's that's great for us.
Speaker 2: But I still think whole kay Art can bounce back
Speaker 2: and you know, get to the Grand Final and maybe
Speaker 2: even win a Grand Final.
Speaker 1: Well, well, in the NRL, they'd put a line through
Speaker 1: them because they've conceded over fifty points in the game.
Speaker 2: I did see someone put out a tweet saying there's
Speaker 2: at least four teams who had been beaten by forty
Speaker 2: or fifty, like in sen Helens in twenty fourteen and
Speaker 2: Wigging in twenty twenty three. Or whatever, and they don't
Speaker 2: won the Grand follow that year, so there's not the
Speaker 2: equivalent NRL stat.
Speaker 1: James McKee asked a question different type of pressure that
Speaker 1: k are used to and they don't seem to be
Speaker 1: handling it very well. Mikey seems to be well off
Speaker 1: the boil and believing in his own hype. That's Mikey Lewis. Look,
Speaker 1: I'll answer that one because I think it's a coaching Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, you laughed at my comment, but nothing
Speaker 1: fails like success. People people lose their edge, so.
Speaker 2: Definitely, so we you know, look at I was just say,
Speaker 2: look at sath Sydney in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's loads of examples, mate, and and people lose
Speaker 1: their edge and that's why winning back to back or
Speaker 1: like Penrith did four on the trot is a real, real,
Speaker 1: real achievement. And I mean yesterday watching whole KR, they
Speaker 1: were chasing the tails. There was a lack of discipline
Speaker 1: in the play the ball. They were given away a
Speaker 1: lot on the right edge. They only had thirty five
Speaker 1: percent of the ball by the thirty minute mark and
Speaker 1: only completed six sets, and so much of their game
Speaker 1: is geared towards completion and attrition, and they just weren't.
Speaker 1: They weren't there at the races. Now, I think, I
Speaker 1: think all it takes. I mean, I know you went
Speaker 1: to training and were impressed by by what you saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, but.
Speaker 1: It all depends how long they were just a little
Speaker 1: bit off prior to Christmas for example, right, just a
Speaker 1: little bit cocker who And there's other things that happen
Speaker 1: around a successful team too. More people want a piece
Speaker 1: of you, more sponsors, more media, more player requests, more
Speaker 1: people if you live in the town or city, pumping
Speaker 1: into you in the street.
Speaker 2: Did you see the videos that were looked on social
Speaker 2: media about Mikey Lewis getting into an argument with a
Speaker 2: film at a club. So after the World Cup challenge,
Speaker 2: I think it was that night or the next night,
Speaker 2: there's Mikey Lewis with a few angry words with a
Speaker 2: certain thing. Look, it was a bit of a storm
Speaker 2: and a teacup. You know. There was no h you know,
Speaker 2: bad words said or punches trainer or anything like that,
Speaker 2: but it seemed to be someone either trying to wind
Speaker 2: Makey up or Mikey getting annoyed with someone at a
Speaker 2: public The point is you have to be aware that
Speaker 2: these situations are going to happen because you're a target.
Speaker 2: And you know, people in the NRL know that because
Speaker 2: they are you know, in every pub or nightclub in
Speaker 2: you know, the Eastern Seaport basically, and the same things
Speaker 2: that happens in you know, other major sports. So they
Speaker 2: have to be aware of that that there's people who
Speaker 2: are going to try and take a shot at them.
Speaker 2: And Mikey has to be smarter to kind of not
Speaker 2: react or put himself in those situations. I'm not having
Speaker 2: to go with him, but because I don't know the
Speaker 2: full context of what happened before the recording or after that.
Speaker 2: But you've just got to be very careful.
Speaker 1: Now, another real danger who KR is the Vegas hangover,
Speaker 1: so genuine jet lag issues and whatnot. And they've got
Speaker 1: Huddersfield next Sunday, so unlike the NRL team, super League
Speaker 1: teams have to back up next week. So imagine they
Speaker 1: don't get the result they need there, that would be
Speaker 1: a real, real issue, but it's also a great game
Speaker 1: potentially for them to get back into the groove back
Speaker 1: to Leeds.
Speaker 2: Because sorry just to say Lee, I mean I say
Speaker 2: this tongue in cheek is they're not a bigger level.
Speaker 2: Are playing in Vegas in front of forty zero people,
Speaker 2: you know, part of a massive event, and then you're
Speaker 2: going away to Huddersfield.
Speaker 1: If you're looking.
Speaker 2: Mental calm down, it's hard to hard to check.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should have sent them to a cup tie
Speaker 1: to Barrow or something. Let's talk about leads, because they
Speaker 1: were brilliant. They worked laterally when they were coming out
Speaker 1: of their own end, they worked them sideways and it
Speaker 1: was all about unleashing their left side. And I was
Speaker 1: so impressed by the two halves mate brody Croft and
Speaker 1: a certain Jake Connor who wasn't Jake.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean anything. I don't who even votes for it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you just with every good performance to Jake
Speaker 2: Connor puts in, you just sort of think, what why
Speaker 2: was he not pick for England?
Speaker 1: I also think as well, their attack hasn't completely clicked yet,
Speaker 1: Like they were a bit clunky close to the line
Speaker 1: if you remember it early on, but they still scored
Speaker 1: from these clunky patties. And they've scored one hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen points in three games. That's almost forty a game.
Speaker 1: And I know they lost to Lee, but they're looking
Speaker 1: the goods and I can't wait to see them play Wig.
Speaker 2: Connor didn't play against Lee, which is important to remember,
Speaker 2: and I don't think Civo didn't play against Lee either.
Speaker 2: So look, yeah, I think I think that there are
Speaker 2: team that's got points in them. And I think with
Speaker 2: you know, with Lockie Miller, who's a bit of an
Speaker 2: unpredictable player who likes to bounce around the field. You know,
Speaker 2: Brodie Croft seems to be quite confident at the moment
Speaker 2: really running the ball. You've got Connor who can you know,
Speaker 2: play pass short, you can play wide. You've got big,
Speaker 2: big wingers, you know, Ryan Horn, Steve I've got to
Speaker 2: be the biggest two wingers in super Far. And then
Speaker 2: you know you've got some athletic centers. You've got some
Speaker 2: big forwards there, and you've got forwards who can also
Speaker 2: pass the ball like Cam Smith and Callen Watkins. Look
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Look, I think Leeds were always going
Speaker 2: to be a top three, top four team this year.
Speaker 2: And you know they may be, they may finish top,
Speaker 2: they may finish second. You know, we'll we'll find out.
Speaker 2: But they were they were very very good and I
Speaker 2: think it was the Leeds have never put that many
Speaker 2: points in the whole k are in okay as one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four year history, so that kind of
Speaker 2: puts into context what kind of score.
Speaker 1: On Broncos fan said to me, Geeszu, we must be
Speaker 1: in trouble. Then, on the subject of the big Wings,
Speaker 1: did you know that statistically tackle two is the most important.
Speaker 1: If you're going to have a good set, you need
Speaker 1: to really win the rouck on tackle two in attack,
Speaker 1: and likewise, conversely you have to kill tackle two. So
Speaker 1: having my case Evo and Ryan Hall on both their
Speaker 1: pick and swings is a big help for that on
Speaker 1: the kick return, so real, real good signs for leads solo.
Speaker 1: I still have questions about their defense, but that's just me.
Speaker 1: Bulls eighteen to lose two wins, two wins Olympiak are
Speaker 1: still two wins. Six I thought to lose a very
Speaker 1: limited in attack. I ended up seeing the second half
Speaker 1: of this because I woke up and decided to get
Speaker 1: up and watch. Its weren't given a lot of direction
Speaker 1: and Ethan Ryan hat trick for Bradford, who had better
Speaker 1: go forward and move the ball at the right time
Speaker 1: for me, So uh yeah, good, good, good signs for
Speaker 1: Bradford early on, who've got two wins. Yeah, these against
Speaker 1: Catalans and now another.
Speaker 2: Now are very good against Hull as well. So look,
Speaker 2: I think I think Haggardy is a really top young coach,
Speaker 2: really promising. Ethan Ryan was electric. One of his tries
Speaker 2: was brilliant. Connor win was really damaging. I really like Doro,
Speaker 2: the forward they brought in from whole KR, you know,
Speaker 2: really big unit who can bend the line. And again
Speaker 2: Bradford deserved to win. Just you know, they're doing really
Speaker 2: well Bradford, so full credit to them. Look, I think
Speaker 2: to lose will be disappointed. They just didn't really match
Speaker 2: their energy. As you said, I think their attack was
Speaker 2: a bit lackluster. There wasn't really much variety there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd Thord very very happy in a good crowd there. Again,
Speaker 2: I think it was eight, which you know with ways
Speaker 2: that's really strong.
Speaker 1: I mean this in the nicest possible way. Oddsul is
Speaker 1: also attack on the Rugby league sensus because you're at
Speaker 1: the ground and you go and you go underground, right,
Speaker 1: you go into a bowl. Right. The terraces are the
Speaker 1: same terraces that were there when they had the record
Speaker 1: crowd in nineteen thirty four or whatever it is, so
Speaker 1: that brings you back a few almost one hundred years.
Speaker 1: The changing rooms are on the side away from what
Speaker 1: looks like the main stand. The field is surrounded by
Speaker 1: a track. The field is small, so the dimensions aren't
Speaker 1: the same against cattal amso grass was like a farmer's
Speaker 1: field this week it was nice. And when you're playing
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get your bearings, if the stand
Speaker 1: isn't where it should be, it's actually hard sometimes to play.
Speaker 1: It really is. And also on a smaller field with
Speaker 1: smaller ring goals. And then where you think there should
Speaker 1: be a grandstand or a terrace, there's a big corporate
Speaker 1: area and to the left of it there's a car
Speaker 1: park with a nice little pathway going down to It
Speaker 1: is everything you you don't expect at a rugby league
Speaker 1: ground basically, so I think Bradford can really use that
Speaker 1: to their advantage.
Speaker 2: Again, it's eying that to LuSE have been playing at
Speaker 2: Bradford in the Championship for many years, so it should
Speaker 2: be a ground there familiar. But you are right, and
Speaker 2: I've said that on other episodes. Look I think thinking
Speaker 2: use it as a as an advantage, much like you
Speaker 2: know teams that are wakey used to a bellevue before
Speaker 2: it got a makeover.
Speaker 1: Now, another thing that came from this game was unfortunately refereeing.
Speaker 1: And the big thing about the refereeing in this game,
Speaker 1: and apparently it happened a couple of times over the
Speaker 1: weekend too, was the technology failing in the year. What's
Speaker 1: going on there?
Speaker 2: I don't know, It's not a good look. I mean,
Speaker 2: we had everything this week. We had. We had a
Speaker 2: ear pieces failing, we had scoreboards disappearing, and even in
Speaker 2: the whole kur Leeds game, we didn't have the audio.
Speaker 2: Obviously there was no there was no Sky team sort
Speaker 2: of in the studio in London doing a pregrame, so
Speaker 2: we had the the Fox League pregame, but then the
Speaker 2: audio dropped off for the first minute and a half.
Speaker 2: So we're the first minute and a half with no
Speaker 2: audio as well. So it wasn't a great weekend for
Speaker 2: stuff ups, should we say, or I was.
Speaker 1: In terms of questions, We're just not going to get
Speaker 1: through every single one, so I've had to select some.
Speaker 1: And if you sent a question I said that I
Speaker 1: promised i'd use it. Please just right back to me
Speaker 1: and I'll make sure your question or another question gets
Speaker 1: in next week. Richard Hardesty asked if there is a
Speaker 1: video ref at a game, it said video ref spots
Speaker 1: and infringement of the rule that the on field ref misses.
Speaker 1: Why is it not possible for said video ref to
Speaker 1: advise the ref that he missed said infringement Because I
Speaker 1: get it's reviewed at the match review panel, but the
Speaker 1: team the infringement is against gets no benefit from the
Speaker 1: offending player missing three games after the fact.
Speaker 2: I think they do have a quiet word at times,
Speaker 2: but I think also you don't want to kind of
Speaker 2: over officiate and micro manage everything.
Speaker 1: And your earphones need to work well.
Speaker 2: That helps. That does help, unless you've got SB that
Speaker 2: does help.
Speaker 1: Dawn propped or asked when a captain's challenge is inconclusive,
Speaker 1: why does a penalty still stand and not revert to
Speaker 1: a play on Because she says, you're penalizing a team
Speaker 1: for something they may have not done, especially if you've
Speaker 1: seen it seven or eight times.
Speaker 2: I think with a captain's challenger probably if it's inconclusive,
Speaker 2: it goes back to the original ref.
Speaker 1: Score original decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's called a penalty and it's inconclusive.
Speaker 1: So that I think that is the idea of that, Dawn,
Speaker 1: is that the referee is still the boss in a way,
Speaker 1: or it should be that way really and if he
Speaker 1: if he's not comfortable, he sends it up and if
Speaker 1: they decide they're not comfortable, they send it back to
Speaker 1: him and just say go with your original decision. Graham
Speaker 1: Middleton ask do you believe that clubs promoting their own
Speaker 1: academy players through their own pathway to first team rugby
Speaker 1: should be rewarded more by the a MG ratings and
Speaker 1: things like catchment area, screen pixels etc.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do like that, I think to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think it should be rewarded by IMG
Speaker 2: criteria because obviously Wigan St Helens leads have a natural advantage,
Speaker 2: but I think it should be ruled on the salary cap.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I think you know, if and there is I know
Speaker 2: there is a there is a homegrown allowance, and there
Speaker 2: is a whatever it is a tenure thing, but I
Speaker 2: think there probably should be more incentives sticking carriage clubs
Speaker 2: to develop their own players and invest in their own pathways,
Speaker 2: and you do that through decart of crap. So if
Speaker 2: you're wigging and you've got ten pathway through bridge, you
Speaker 2: know players maybe they on account fifty or sixty grand
Speaker 2: each on a cap or some figure, and then you
Speaker 2: can invest money in other areas. I think that's personally
Speaker 2: how I would do it. Because there isn't enough clubs
Speaker 2: who are investing in pathways for mine. I do know
Speaker 2: it's a limited because of participation levels not being great.
Speaker 2: There is a limited amount of players in that pool.
Speaker 2: But you've got to try and incentive, I incentivize clubs
Speaker 2: to invest more in pathways for mine.
Speaker 1: The next round round four Thursday, Wakefield at home to
Speaker 1: half c A fancy Wakefield for that one, John.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I fancy Wakefield Wakefield of only what one one
Speaker 2: from three, which is not the start they would want
Speaker 2: and holler in a bit of a hole. So I
Speaker 2: think probably Wakefield home and in a close one.
Speaker 1: Personally, for those who struggle with translation, they said haul
Speaker 1: are in a bit of a hole. Actually sounded like
Speaker 1: you said in a bit of a hole. Friday Lee
Speaker 1: Leopards versus Catalan Dragons.
Speaker 2: Look, yeah, that's I think probably late at home. But yeah,
Speaker 2: both teams. Yeah, I think Alaine is a struggling more
Speaker 2: than Lee. But yeah, that was some fair morling that
Speaker 2: that Lee took.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on Thursday, York Knights will fancy their chances against
Speaker 1: Warrington at home on Friday too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be the game that I'm going to
Speaker 2: go to. Look, I think probably Warrington at least on paper,
Speaker 2: but look York Lawyer, York will fancy day chances and
Speaker 2: look they will be too high in confidence. You know,
Speaker 2: they're doing really well. Another home game. Yeah, it should
Speaker 2: be should be quite entertaining and Warrington will be really
Speaker 2: had to you know, they can be three from three season.
Speaker 2: That's you know, a fantastic start. And Sam Burgess, I'm
Speaker 2: sure I'll have his boys fired up.
Speaker 1: To lose. Might still be on two wins after hosting
Speaker 1: Wigan Warriors. What a tough trip for Wigan nonetheless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a tough trip, but I think we can. They've
Speaker 2: they've been outstanding. Like I know we're only in round three,
Speaker 2: but what they averaging about thirty OERD points per game.
Speaker 2: They're looking very good in both attack and defense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Wigan by probably at least eighteen personally.
Speaker 1: Okay, Saint Helen's are at home to Bradford Bulls. That's
Speaker 1: a tough one for Bradford.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I mean San Allen's you know, smashed Catlans
Speaker 2: and obviously got we know the Lee the week before.
Speaker 2: Even they've got a few injuries and we've not really
Speaker 2: talked about Lee. I can't remember it was on the
Speaker 2: run show or that that that statement that they sent
Speaker 2: out about the John comments. Look, I think that was
Speaker 2: much like the Lee one, that was just like bizarre.
Speaker 1: Can you go into that for people who didn't see it.
Speaker 1: John Wilkinson made some John Wilkins made some scathing comments
Speaker 1: on Sky about the way they treat players.
Speaker 2: And the ways basically sint Allan's put our statements saying
Speaker 2: they reserved the riot, and you know, they were appalled
Speaker 2: by wilkins comments. But look, I think the fact is
Speaker 2: he's a pundit. He's there to give his opinion.
Speaker 1: Also an ex player who also cares about.
Speaker 2: As a Allan's legend. And I think he's good friends
Speaker 2: with Paul Wellens, maybe good friends with Mike Purswal. I
Speaker 2: don't know. But look, my understanding what I've heard is
Speaker 2: that the personal situation is a bit of a nightmare,
Speaker 2: and you know, the delegations are there that he was
Speaker 2: offered a contract and agreed to it and then the
Speaker 2: contract was pulled and now he's going to leave the club.
Speaker 2: The Wellns thing was also, you know, there was all
Speaker 2: the talk that he was out earlier in the season
Speaker 2: and the poor ROLEI was going to come in, and
Speaker 2: then the talk was that if he got to the
Speaker 2: Grand Final he'd be given a new contract. He obviously
Speaker 2: didn't get the Grand truck, he didn't get to the
Speaker 2: Grand Final and he was out. But look, I think
Speaker 2: he was probably poorly treated by the club as well.
Speaker 2: But the whole statement, what was the point of the statement?
Speaker 2: They're having a go at Wilkom publicly, they're having a
Speaker 2: go at Sky you know while we're or a ployee
Speaker 2: of Sky, while we're negotiating for a new Sky TV deal.
Speaker 2: They're not going to sue him because I don't think
Speaker 2: legally they have a leg to stand on what he
Speaker 2: said in defantry and it was a fair comment that's
Speaker 2: kind of protected under the honest opinion defense. So it
Speaker 2: just makes them look bad. So I really don't know
Speaker 2: with that club what at times what they what they
Speaker 2: think they're doing or how they think they're perceived, because
Speaker 2: just makes make them look bad, not anyone else.
Speaker 1: On Sunday, because these two of the teams played in Vegas,
Speaker 1: whole k r and leads the Battle of the Cellar
Speaker 1: Dwellers on Sunday at Huddersfield. Huddersfield and whole K are.
Speaker 2: Look, I think will probably you know, dip into the
Speaker 2: squad and try and rotate a few players, But I
Speaker 2: think i'd still back Hog.
Speaker 1: Are going to be tough for them. They're still they're
Speaker 1: going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a hangou as a mental hangover of all
Speaker 2: that travel and you know, the high point. But I
Speaker 2: still think they they've got enough to get over hot
Speaker 2: and I think they need to for their own.
Speaker 1: It'll be squeaky one time if they don't. And then
Speaker 1: leads Leeds host Castleford.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting local derby. You know, Leeds
Speaker 2: will obviously be on a high casts first win of
Speaker 2: the season, good win over hardest Field. Yeah, I still
Speaker 2: think probably leads. But look, I think Guess have been
Speaker 2: competitive in every game, even though I've only won the
Speaker 2: one game that were competitive against Wigan and they were
Speaker 2: competitive against to loose and I had a nightmare. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if you saw it, but I had a
Speaker 2: nightmare trip to to Loosen back. It was something like
Speaker 2: thirteen hours one way and thirteen hours the way back.
Speaker 2: I think they went Munich and all sorts of things,
Speaker 2: but it won't be too far for them to go
Speaker 2: up the road to Headingley if that's where it is.
Speaker 2: Home game and I think maybe maybe Leeds in a
Speaker 2: tight one, but it could be a fifty to fifty game.
Speaker 1: In the NRL starts next weekend too. Well, it started today,
Speaker 1: didn't well, Yeah, but it starts in Australia. Melbourne Storm
Speaker 1: versus the Eels is the first game on the Thursday.
Speaker 2: The Lomax Army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and another game to look out for his Broncoals
Speaker 1: and yeah. But in terms of results, the Cowboys lost
Speaker 1: to Newcastle. Newcastle were Wooden Spooners last year, coached by
Speaker 1: Just Holbrook, got the win against Todd Payton's Cowboys. And
Speaker 1: I think already some people are already thinking that Todd
Speaker 1: Payton will be under a bit more pressure. And I
Speaker 1: would have had a sleepless night in the last night
Speaker 1: in Vegas.
Speaker 2: Well that was the that was the st Helen's Derby,
Speaker 2: wasn't it because you had former Sir Helen's Grand Final
Speaker 2: winning coach justin the whole broke up against the Cowboys
Speaker 2: with the assistant coach for Paul Wellens. But I watched
Speaker 2: that game and I really impressed by the Knights. I
Speaker 2: thought Pongo and Brown worked well, and I like, you know,
Speaker 2: I had a bit to do with Holbrook when he
Speaker 2: was in the really nice guy. I think he's a
Speaker 2: top coach. I think, so, yeah, good to see, good
Speaker 2: to see the Knights get.
Speaker 1: Up Bulldogs and Saint George. Was a golden point win
Speaker 1: for the Bulldogs. Geez, that was a slug fest for
Speaker 1: most of the game.
Speaker 2: It was, And I thought I thought the Dragons we
Speaker 2: were unlucky in that. I thought they were really really
Speaker 2: gritty and look they've had a bad couple of years,
Speaker 2: but you know, if they can keep up that kind
Speaker 2: of level performing it's every week, they'll do well this year.
Speaker 2: But yeah, doggies will be very happy with with that one.
Speaker 2: And it was. It was a thrilling end, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: To the to the Vegas weekend?
Speaker 1: M that's almost us John. Look out for my analysis
Speaker 1: video this week. I'm looking at Lee Leopards and Warrington
Speaker 1: Wolves defensive patterns and I'm doing that from the earlier
Speaker 1: rounds to be fair to all the other teams that
Speaker 1: have covered, so please look out for that on the
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Speaker 2: Can get the non Scottish non Turett's John Davidson at
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Speaker 2: Davidson Journalist. And yeah, obviously all your apologies about anything
Speaker 2: more on Iran famine, hunger, yeah, anything else. Rolf Harris
Speaker 2: apparently he'll apologize for that and everything else. Yeah, keep
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