Speaker 1: Okay, we are alive. I have this William Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 1: to William Ramsey Investigates. On today's show. I have two
Speaker 1: very special guests, returning guests, Paul and Philip Collins. We
Speaker 1: were just talking in apprecia trying to remember how many
Speaker 1: shows we've done. We've done a lot. Our most recent
Speaker 1: one was their article that was published titled Anglotopian Dream
Speaker 1: Science Fiction and the Anglo File Mill You eighteen seventy
Speaker 1: one to nineteen oh four, and that was published in
Speaker 1: a friend of mine's Cultural Engineering Studies. That was issue
Speaker 1: issue one, so you guys can check that out. But
Speaker 1: that's not our only show that we've done. We've also
Speaker 1: done one on the Canteen Rift that their book that
Speaker 1: they've done. We did one on Let's See Beyond the
Speaker 1: Can't invoking to Beyond the Canteen Rift. I think there
Speaker 1: was one in two, yeah, and then Let's see then
Speaker 1: we did this. Last one we did was Deception through Disclosure.
Speaker 1: It was from a part one decoding the Grush and Dingma.
Speaker 1: But they've to two articles since we went through that,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot going on there. Just was this
Speaker 1: Congressional inquiry, but the other articles that they wrote. The
Speaker 1: Part two is called More Spooks, Complicit Media and the
Speaker 1: Deep State Sponsored Fringe of Science, and then most recently
Speaker 1: October twenty eighth, the Galileo Project of Melons and the
Speaker 1: Ghost of Paul Nitze and the NSC sixty eight agenda.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on with this UAP stuff
Speaker 1: or UFO things, but they're going to talk more about that.
Speaker 1: So Paul and Philip, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 2: Hello again, William. Thanks William.
Speaker 1: So, for people who may not have heard your name,
Speaker 1: I know you've published two books, you've done interviews, I've published,
Speaker 1: republished interviews you've done with Visigoth. Maybe you can just
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your background. Started writing for
Speaker 1: The Canadian Patriot. That's Matthew Ritt's website. I've talked to
Speaker 1: him and his wife, but he does great work too,
Speaker 1: But maybe you can talk about how you started publishing
Speaker 1: articles on there as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were publishing, we were still publishing with Terry
Speaker 2: Mullanson a conspiracy archive, and then he just fell on
Speaker 2: the hard times and he's I assume he's still trying
Speaker 2: to get back up and running again. So I sent
Speaker 2: this around and two different different outlets and Matt shown
Speaker 2: interest in it, seemed to take the you know, bite
Speaker 2: at it first, and ever since then we've been, uh,
Speaker 2: we've been collaborating with mister Erict and submitting to a
Speaker 2: Canadian Patriot and he seems to he seems to like
Speaker 2: everything that we come out with thus far. We're gonna
Speaker 2: be doing presentations for the Canadian Patriot on December one
Speaker 2: and December fifteenth, so we'll close out the year doing
Speaker 2: some more work with him and everything. And he and
Speaker 2: his wife Cynthia Chung, like you said, they do really
Speaker 2: really good work. But before him, like I said, it was,
Speaker 2: there was Terry Mullanson with a conspiracy archive in Also
Speaker 2: before that, there was Michael Corbin used to work with
Speaker 2: the syndicated talk show host Michael Corbin and wrote for
Speaker 2: the ACL Report, which was a Closer Look, a Closer
Speaker 2: Look the publication, and then with appeared regularly on a
Speaker 2: Closer Look the radio show that he had out of
Speaker 2: out of Colorado, and you know, and after after Mike
Speaker 2: passed on, things started to slow down as far as
Speaker 2: our research was concerned, and we got involved more in
Speaker 2: mainstream journalism. And over the last few years we've been
Speaker 2: you know, starting to get back starting to get back in.
Speaker 2: And it seems like now that Canadian Patriot Review is
Speaker 2: our primary outlet for for out as far as you know, uh,
Speaker 2: public publishing, you know, new articles and the like. It's
Speaker 2: our new output output, you know, our outlet, right.
Speaker 1: So you guys are putting out these articles really based
Speaker 1: upon I think that first one was Grush, right, who
Speaker 1: uh supposedly was a big you know revelation of the
Speaker 1: UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he ended up that he was tied
Speaker 2: in with the Compass Rose Legal firm, which Andrew mcaug
Speaker 2: had started, and amb Andrew bacage had been with the
Speaker 2: c i A and UH and his his lawyer had
Speaker 2: been the Inspector General for I believe the intelligence community.
Speaker 2: And so uh Grush ended up not being so much
Speaker 2: a whistleblower as he was you know, still still tied
Speaker 2: to these same uh deep state networks and and also
Speaker 2: tied to some of the old names that we would
Speaker 2: recognize when studying, uh studying a UFO deception, the same
Speaker 2: names that that emerged back in the day, like like
Speaker 2: big Low and uh uh and uh individuals like that
Speaker 2: Robert Bigelow and and Nitsy and and uh and more.
Speaker 2: He's also tied in with a with a lou Elizondo
Speaker 2: who we've who we've looked at, so you know, he
Speaker 2: he's not instead of this whistleblower type that's putting it
Speaker 2: all on the line and and you know, yeah, it
Speaker 2: ends up he's quote unquote connected. He's he's still connected
Speaker 2: and everything, which which begs the question, you know, is
Speaker 2: this a genuine disclosure or is this deception being carried
Speaker 2: out under the pretext of disclosure? And HiT's the name
Speaker 2: of this series that we're doing, the deception through disclosure.
Speaker 1: Right, So this there and but it's a huge network.
Speaker 1: It's not just one or two people. There's so many
Speaker 1: in a lot of these families. It goes back when
Speaker 1: we talked to the pre show, to these wealthy families
Speaker 1: and connected families, Kane, Melan Rockefeller even right, so can
Speaker 1: you maybe talk about some of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well, I mean, like you said, you know,
Speaker 2: you had Leslie Kane. We talked about Leslie Kane in
Speaker 2: the second article Leslie Kyne's and I think I brought
Speaker 2: this up in our art in our discussion over over
Speaker 2: David grush On in the prior episode that we did
Speaker 2: with you. Her uncle is Thomas Kane, and Thomas Kane
Speaker 2: handed up the Kane Commission, which was the nine to
Speaker 2: eleven commission, and by his own admission that that commission
Speaker 2: was more of a cover up than it was, you know,
Speaker 2: an attempt to get to the truth of anything regarding
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. And so, you know, she seems to
Speaker 2: be continuing with the family tradition of you know, laying
Speaker 2: into UH into UH into cover up and and and
Speaker 2: UH conspiracy, except you know, instead of dealing with UH
Speaker 2: issues related to the g WAT terrorism, you know, she's
Speaker 2: she's gone off on in the direction of UH of
Speaker 2: UFOs and you know, passing off disinformation related UH to
Speaker 2: UH to the UFO phenomenon. You know. But and like
Speaker 2: you said, also Lawrence Rockefeller, he's been involved for he well,
Speaker 2: prior to his death, he was involved in in all
Speaker 2: of this. And you know he he had financed UH
Speaker 2: John Mack and UH. John Mack was the one that
Speaker 2: did UH, the doctor that supposedly did all this quote
Speaker 2: unquote groundbreaking research into the abduction of phenomenon, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was claiming that it was all true that these
Speaker 2: people were in fact being taken by aliens, and that
Speaker 2: the aliens were in part imparting to them some great
Speaker 2: revelation that made all the victimization that they were going
Speaker 2: through victimization which had really kind of ominous parallels with UH,
Speaker 2: with some of the mind constrol control experimentation that we
Speaker 2: saw with UH, with projects such as m k Altru
Speaker 2: with the c i A and other and other projects
Speaker 2: and all it it that all, but that all of that,
Speaker 2: all of that was fine, All of that victimization was
Speaker 2: fine because it was leading to the these aliens imparting
Speaker 2: some great epiphany, some great revelation to these people. And
Speaker 2: you're like, well, what is that great revelation? Well, one
Speaker 2: thing the aliens were preaching, according to John Mack, was
Speaker 2: that there was going to be ecological meltdown and that
Speaker 2: it was going to be an environmental cataclysm if you know,
Speaker 2: if people didn't start to uh, you know, get behind
Speaker 2: green initiatives and and all of the like, and you know,
Speaker 2: and and also they imparted like a lot of what
Speaker 2: would be regarded as questionable UH spiritual beliefs to man,
Speaker 2: you know, basically beliefs that spiritual beliefs that would undermine
Speaker 2: the the Christian foundation of Western civilization and all that.
Speaker 2: You know, these were the these were the great revelations
Speaker 2: that they were supposedly imparting to these people after just
Speaker 2: been after after quite frankly victimizing the snot out of them,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Like scaring them, terrifying induction.
Speaker 2: All all of these revelations, all these revelations conveniently, conveniently
Speaker 2: provided ostensible justifications for UH initiatives that have been promoted
Speaker 2: by UH, those within the deep State, those who would
Speaker 2: qualify as the deviate elite, like environmental UH, environmental degradation
Speaker 2: and ecological catastrophes, those have always been invoked as UH,
Speaker 2: the UH as the necessary the necessary preconditions for the
Speaker 2: implementation of technocratic agendas. Technocratic agendas such as, you know,
Speaker 2: a green economy.
Speaker 1: UH, climate change is coming, yeah, we you know ten
Speaker 1: million nuclear bombs have exploded power yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you just have to rip up. You have
Speaker 2: to rip up, you have to rip up your infrastructure.
Speaker 2: You can't have a gas car, you know, a gas
Speaker 2: powered car, you can't have a refrigerator. Basically, technological apartheid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: technological apartheid has to be imposed population.
Speaker 1: So these aliens are right on board with the UNA.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, yeah, exactly, so they must be members of
Speaker 1: the u N Yeah, yeah, exactly. And sorry, one more thing,
Speaker 1: but the nine to eleven commission, I want to remember
Speaker 1: if you know this, but remember this, but it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be held by Kissinger, of all people, with
Speaker 1: the first choice like what a snake, Let's get this
Speaker 1: snake to come in and monitor this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they had to pull back from that and
Speaker 2: have Hamilton and have Hamilton and Kane come in. But
Speaker 2: both of them have admitted that you know that they
Speaker 2: that they that that the commission just covered things up.
Speaker 1: That's another warrant commission, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that that information was offfuscated and uh. And
Speaker 2: the funny thing is that Philip Zellicoe was upon was
Speaker 2: on that commission, and Zelliko was the one calling for
Speaker 2: a kind of quote unquote truth commission concerning the UH,
Speaker 2: concerning the pandemic. So you can imagine just what kind
Speaker 2: of truth they would get to the bottom of when
Speaker 2: looking at at COVID and at the you know, you
Speaker 2: certainly probably wouldn't hear the word you you know, wuhan
Speaker 2: Well you might my suspicions has said, you might hear Wuhan,
Speaker 2: but the Chinese would probably been prevented, presented as a
Speaker 2: limited hangout. But you wouldn't hear anything about UH Peter
Speaker 2: Daasac and Dasik's alleged connections to the Central Intelligence Agency
Speaker 2: and the money coming through eco Health Alliance, to the
Speaker 2: Wuhan lab and to other bio labs all over the world,
Speaker 2: and and where eco Health money is coming from. So
Speaker 2: they would have, you know, conveniently, if that if that UH,
Speaker 2: if that commission ever got started, they would conveniently cover
Speaker 2: up any trails leading back here. You know. So you
Speaker 2: know Trump Trump, when Trump talks about the enemy within,
Speaker 2: he's not entirely wrong. He's not entirely wrong. There is
Speaker 2: there is an enemy within. And you know, and a
Speaker 2: lot of these these major UH deep events, as as
Speaker 2: Peter Dale Scott would call them, UH, A lot of
Speaker 2: these major political scandals and and and all in this
Speaker 2: called douggery. A lot of it leads leads back here.
Speaker 2: It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't end at the doorstep
Speaker 2: of the Russians, or the Chinese or the Iranians. A
Speaker 2: lot of it leads back to to a kind of
Speaker 2: fifth column here in the UH in the United States.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Lawrence Rockefeller, the kingeh, the king political dynasty.
Speaker 2: And as we go into in UH in the latest
Speaker 2: article and in part two, the Melon dynasty, the Mellon
Speaker 2: dynasty has been has been really really involved in this
Speaker 2: whole uh, this whole latest uh UFO deception effort, this campaign,
Speaker 2: if you want to call it that. At and UH
Speaker 2: we start off in a new article where we left
Speaker 2: off in part two, looking at Auvi Loeb and at
Speaker 2: at Auvy at la v Low Loeb's Galileo project. And
Speaker 2: we looked at, you know, one of the one of
Speaker 2: the sugar daddies of of the Galileo project, guy by
Speaker 2: the name of Charles Hoskinson, who is an American entrepreneur.
Speaker 2: He claims that he has some kind of connection to
Speaker 2: the c i A. People have certain journalists like Laura
Speaker 2: Shin have taken uh issue with that. You know, we
Speaker 2: got he's claimed like that he was a CIA asset,
Speaker 2: that he worked for DARPA, and she says that none
Speaker 2: of that's true and the like. And he's always a
Speaker 2: problematic character. And so we looked at him in that
Speaker 2: second installment In the third installment, we continue to look
Speaker 2: at av Loeb's Galileo project because it ends up that
Speaker 2: the FBI was that that the FBI was looking into
Speaker 2: the Galileo project. Now, we point out at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the article that we don't look at the FBI
Speaker 2: as any kind of protagonist, and that shouldn't be taken.
Speaker 2: You know, if you want to start applying the categories
Speaker 2: of heroes and villains, it would be you'd be you
Speaker 2: would be wrong headed to put them into the hero category.
Speaker 2: They certainly don't have altruistic motives. Yeah, at this point,
Speaker 2: we would be wrong to put them into that area.
Speaker 2: But it's obvious to us that more principled elements within
Speaker 2: the FBI are concerned about about the gal Layo project.
Speaker 2: And uh, Jack Brewer, who is probably one of the
Speaker 2: best UH researchers right now as far as UFOs are
Speaker 2: out there, I mean, he's one of he's one of
Speaker 2: the best. And uh, I've never met the man, and
Speaker 2: you know, so I don't feel I'm being a sick
Speaker 2: of fan or I'm like doing a commercial for him,
Speaker 2: but he has written a book that everybody has to read,
Speaker 2: UH called Fortunate Sons, which basically goes into using primary documentation,
Speaker 2: goes into the connection between UH Nightcap and the Central
Speaker 2: Intelligence Agency. But Brewer, he has he has this organization
Speaker 2: called the Expanding Frontiers Research UH AND and or e
Speaker 2: f R and e f R UH with put out
Speaker 2: they submitted these FOYER requests to find out why the
Speaker 2: FBI was taking an interest in the Galileo project and
Speaker 2: looking into things like the Galileo project's research approach to
Speaker 2: the whole UFO phenomena or uf APIs and and what
Speaker 2: he got back in response was very interesting because they
Speaker 2: they because they basically asked in their FOIA requests if
Speaker 2: if you know, FBI documents over the Galileo Project implied
Speaker 2: or it were indicative of some kind of FBI investigation.
Speaker 2: And the response was the Glomar response. The Glomar response
Speaker 2: is when they say we can never confirm, we can't confirm,
Speaker 2: nor can we deny.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a CIA response.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what. That's always a red that's always red,
Speaker 2: a red light. Red light flashes whenever that comes up.
Speaker 2: You know, I remember a few years back when you
Speaker 2: interviewed it was a German gentleman, and I don't remember
Speaker 2: his name for the life of me. But I remember
Speaker 2: that I totally rejected out of hand a lot of
Speaker 2: what Kathy O'Brien had said until he had, you know,
Speaker 2: actually done some kind of for your requests as CIA
Speaker 2: regarding Kathy O'Brien and got the.
Speaker 1: Globe Marcus POULTI l Yeah, there.
Speaker 2: You go, there you go. And whenever you get that response,
Speaker 2: something's going on. Something's going on.
Speaker 1: He wrote, dark World Order. We did want Dark World
Speaker 1: Order one or two?
Speaker 2: Right, gotcha? Yeah. So, and so that compelled us to
Speaker 2: move on in the third installment to continue looking at
Speaker 2: the at the Galileo UH project, and so you know,
Speaker 2: of course they had the Hoskinson connection, which was fleshed
Speaker 2: out in some detail in the second installment, but what
Speaker 2: we also found was that they had very deep connections
Speaker 2: to the to the Mellon dynasty, and they had received
Speaker 2: this year earlier this year, they had received a gift
Speaker 2: from the Richard Mellon King Foundation, a rather large monetary
Speaker 2: gift of I think it was five hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars, and it was a grant that would
Speaker 2: allow them to set up one of many observatory stations
Speaker 2: and they were thinking like that the location would either
Speaker 2: be Alleghany or or a location in Pennsylvania, and the
Speaker 2: Mellon King Foundation was providing the money that would cover
Speaker 2: the cost of instrumentation and all that, you know, would
Speaker 2: be would be really important to uh to this this
Speaker 2: oh this observatory. And you know Richard Melon King, you
Speaker 2: know he was he was a uh, he was a philanthropist.
Speaker 2: He was he was the president of the Melon National Bank.
Speaker 2: He's Richard Richard King Mellon. Yeah, he was the president
Speaker 2: of the Melon National Bank. He was on the board
Speaker 2: of the Melon National Bank and Trust Company. He uh,
Speaker 2: he was. He he he helped with the growth of
Speaker 2: the Golf Oil Corporation, which later Richard Mellon Scafe would
Speaker 2: be uh, you know, intimately tied to and everything. And
Speaker 2: so you know, he's a lot of people if they
Speaker 2: know anything of the name at all, they know him
Speaker 2: as a philanthropist at all.
Speaker 1: But wasn't the hitchcock. Wasn't he of Melan associate to
Speaker 1: the guy that financed Leary?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes he was.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is like money supporting cultural stuff Leary himself,
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2: But what most people don't know is that the that
Speaker 2: is that Richard Mellon King's family has been involved with
Speaker 2: the American deep state since since it's uh, since its
Speaker 2: early days, since the embryonic stages, at least as far
Speaker 2: as the modern deep state, the deep state that we
Speaker 2: know in the twentieth and twenty first century, he has
Speaker 2: been there. His family has been closely involved in it
Speaker 2: since it was in the embryonic stage. And the gateway
Speaker 2: or the portal for the Melon family to enter into
Speaker 2: the American deep state was in all likelihood the Office
Speaker 2: of Strategic Services or OSS, precursor to the c I
Speaker 2: A right precursor to the c I A because back
Speaker 2: during World War World War two, Paul Mellon was with
Speaker 2: the O S s.
Speaker 1: UH.
Speaker 2: Paul Mellon's sister is I isa Uh was was connected
Speaker 2: with the O S s UH. There were Melons and
Speaker 2: in laws of the Melons that were in espionage posts
Speaker 2: that were in Madrid, in Geneva, in Paris and all,
Speaker 2: and that kind of was like their gateway into the
Speaker 2: what what became the modern American deep state. And that
Speaker 2: that that deep state involvement of the Mellon family has
Speaker 2: continued all the way up to the present day with
Speaker 2: a man named Christopher Millan, and most people recognize him
Speaker 2: as the former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence
Speaker 2: in the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations. But in
Speaker 2: addition to all of that, he has been one of
Speaker 2: the guys pushing the U A P disclosure, the whole
Speaker 2: disclosure movement, and all he seems to have been, you know,
Speaker 2: a major, a major mover and shaker in force behind that.
Speaker 2: And and in the article we we quote, well, in
Speaker 2: the third article, we quote extensively from an op ed
Speaker 2: that Mellan did for the I think it was the
Speaker 2: Washington Post and it was a it was a Washington
Speaker 2: Post article that he that he published an op ed
Speaker 2: article March eight yeah, in twenty eighteen, Yeah, in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: And in that article he basically used you a piece
Speaker 2: as a as a major reason to keep to keep
Speaker 2: high military expenditures going to maintain wow, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: got to keep.
Speaker 1: The industrial yeah, the military industrial complex going yeah, oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's what the would want, guys, come.
Speaker 2: On, yeah, and like he says, he says at one point,
Speaker 2: because he's a russophobe, and so he says at one
Speaker 2: point that this could be Chinese, that this could be
Speaker 2: Russian and all. But then he also leaves open the
Speaker 2: possibility that it that it's some alien civilization that's behind
Speaker 2: all these UAPs that are appearing in the sky.
Speaker 1: And I can you can bet on it that his
Speaker 1: family has extensive holdings in the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: As absolutely absolutely well also his family, and we're going
Speaker 2: to go into this in later installments. There's no way
Speaker 2: this series is over by a long shot. I mean,
Speaker 2: because you just keep on digging and digging and more
Speaker 2: and more comes out. His family was a major holder,
Speaker 2: and I think they started a library. I think Paul
Speaker 2: Millan started the library. Forgive me if I'm wrong with that,
Speaker 2: but I believe it was Paul Millan that started a
Speaker 2: library of the works of Carl Huing. And the reason
Speaker 2: that's significant is because Carl hun was a source of
Speaker 2: inspiration for Alan Dallas when Alan Dallas was involved in
Speaker 2: was involved in the UFO deception. Alan according to to
Speaker 2: UH Henry Davidson, I believe his name was Davidson, who
Speaker 2: was part of the uh the Manhattan Project uh UH.
Speaker 2: Alan Dallas was a pivotal player in the whole uh
Speaker 2: the whole h manufacturing of the charge of the of
Speaker 2: the Adomski myth and really wow, yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Been around in a lot of stuff. You know. Dallas
Speaker 1: was involved in the Protocols of Zion too.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, absolutely absolutely well. And the interesting thing
Speaker 2: about Carl fun of course, in his later years he
Speaker 2: wrote extensively on UFOs. He called them technological angels, which
Speaker 2: of course seems to be something of an allusion to
Speaker 2: the angelic motif first promoted by Jacob Believe, the Enlightenment
Speaker 2: era pamphleteer who advanced this latter day interplanetary neo Gnostic gospel,
Speaker 2: wherein he claimed that human beings were apostate angels, imprisoned
Speaker 2: in the corporeal penitentiaries of the physical body, and we
Speaker 2: could eventually migrate off world to other off world habitations
Speaker 2: where we would essentially become God. So something of a
Speaker 2: precursor to Mormonism, but it scientology and scientology as a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, Jacob Believe his work, Jacob Believe He's work,
Speaker 2: and his his his heretical angelology, which is really kind
Speaker 2: of a like I said, neo gnostic interplanetary neo gnostic
Speaker 2: gospel that provides the hermeneutic according to which the modern
Speaker 2: UFO phenomena has come to be understood, and we see
Speaker 2: this angelic motif that that was first promoted by Jacob
Speaker 2: Olive promoted throughout a plethora of other UFO artifacts, films,
Speaker 2: UH books. Of course, in UH Close Encounters of the
Speaker 2: third kind kind, there's the UH there's a clip at
Speaker 2: the end where a priest is giving a blessing to
Speaker 2: departing UH astronauts who are leaving with the visiting extraterrestrials,
Speaker 2: and he quotes the verse from subs wherein it states
Speaker 2: he shall give his angels charge over the angels. Again,
Speaker 2: this angelic moteeth, but so Carl Hu's referral to extraterrestrials
Speaker 2: as technological angels seems to be something of an allusion
Speaker 2: to Jacob Believe's work. But Carl Hute also Carl Hute
Speaker 2: also was intimately involved in the translation of the Non
Speaker 2: Commodi Condaices, which of course were Gnostic Gnostic texts, and
Speaker 2: people like John Lash, who is something of a of
Speaker 2: a modern day Gnostic, views the release of the non
Speaker 2: Commody Codices UH and it's coinciding with the nineteen fifties
Speaker 2: UFO flap. He sees that as sacronicitous, and that and
Speaker 2: that an action reality that the the extraterrestrials are uh
Speaker 2: essentially the equivalent of what the Gnostics or the ancient
Speaker 2: Gnostics would have referred to as the archons, the rulers
Speaker 2: of this present age, and that they were trying to
Speaker 2: prevent man from gaty gnosis. But yeah, but you have this,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh yeah, and actually this this is what
Speaker 2: my my forthcoming presentation on uh the Canadian Patriot on
Speaker 2: December first, will be covered, or the Gnostic elements of
Speaker 2: modern ufology.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, put a link to that in the
Speaker 1: show notes took you.
Speaker 2: But but but you know, but Leon Davidson, the scientists
Speaker 2: with the Manhattan Project, he uh, he had said he
Speaker 2: had accused Alan Dallies of manufacturing Georgiadomski's whole experience with
Speaker 2: a Venusian in the UH in the desert, and that
Speaker 2: you know, like actors portraying Venusians associated with the CIA
Speaker 2: had been involved in this, and and that the whole,
Speaker 2: just a whole incident was was manufactured to convince this
Speaker 2: man that he had been on the spaceship and and
Speaker 2: and basically turned Adomsky into this kind of I guess
Speaker 2: misinformation amplifier, you know, And and Leon Davidson, UH was
Speaker 2: not too far off the mark because there was there
Speaker 2: was a meeting UH, a meeting with of Air Force
Speaker 2: representatives with agency CIA agency officials regarding UH, regarding two
Speaker 2: different people, two different researchers into UFOs, Donald Keho was
Speaker 2: one and Leon Davidson. And like you know, the question
Speaker 2: they were asking is what kind of approach should we
Speaker 2: take to these two different researchers. And during the during
Speaker 2: this meeting, they spoke with about Donald Keiho with nothing
Speaker 2: but respect. They they looked at him with I has
Speaker 2: some degree of respect and admiration. But then when they
Speaker 2: talked about Davidson, the tone would totally change. And there
Speaker 2: was a CIA officer president at this meeting who actually
Speaker 2: his name was Frank Chapin, and he actually suggested that
Speaker 2: Davidson might might be working for a foreign power or something,
Speaker 2: that he might have some kind of nefarious motives. And also,
Speaker 2: so what what Davidson was saying about Dallas and about
Speaker 2: Dallas's involvement in UH in the creation of the Adomski
Speaker 2: myth wasn't too far off the mark because they were
Speaker 2: you know, because they were. They were getting mad at him,
Speaker 2: and they didn't you know, they didn't look at him
Speaker 2: in the same light as they did uh Donald Kehoe.
Speaker 2: They looked at him as a as an enemy. UH.
Speaker 2: But Dallas, according to Davidson, According to Leon Davidson, Dallas
Speaker 2: was turning to the writings of Carl hun As as
Speaker 2: a source of inspiration when UH manufacturing UH the whole
Speaker 2: uh Domsky contact d myth, which incidentally set off that
Speaker 2: was that that that Doomsky Uh incident that set off
Speaker 2: the contact d Uh phenomenon. It was kind of the
Speaker 2: advent of the of the contact d Uh period and
Speaker 2: and UFO history. And he he had turned Dallas had
Speaker 2: turned to uh to Q as a source of inspiration
Speaker 2: when manufacturing that whole thing. And here we have a
Speaker 2: turn coming full circle. Here we have Paul Millan and
Speaker 2: the Mellon family keeping a library, a library of Hughes,
Speaker 2: of Hughes writing. So it's you know, it's really suspicious,
Speaker 2: and it's really suggestive of the fact that this family
Speaker 2: has been involved in UFO deception going back long before
Speaker 2: before Christopher Millan hit the scene.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. So they're using this myth to forward personal interests,
Speaker 1: financial interest and adjusting the culture in the way that
Speaker 1: they want to do it, so they get people involved,
Speaker 1: and then hey, these are these guys ideas incredible? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this that goes on. So you had that
Speaker 1: woman Keen write that book. And who's the forward, John Podesta,
Speaker 1: who's working with some of these other characters. Pictures of
Speaker 1: Podesta and Lavenda and this guy Tom Belong Link one
Speaker 1: two I've seen in full on issonic regalia. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of suspicious. Yeah, and then he hears this Christopher
Speaker 1: Milk and hanging out with Louis Alessandro's all over the place.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is super suspect.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I know, And and lou Alessandro, I've just
Speaker 2: I've been reading Imminent, his book Imminent, and this is
Speaker 2: where I'm talking about. The rabbit hole just doesn't seem
Speaker 2: to end. Loue Alessandro is an associate of Christopher Millons,
Speaker 2: and we're going to be talking about him later on
Speaker 2: based on some of the things that he said in Imminent,
Speaker 2: And what's important in Imminent is not what he says
Speaker 2: about UAPs. It's none of the sensational crap that he
Speaker 2: says about UAPs. It's some of the stuff that UFO
Speaker 2: enthusiast if reading the book, he would just totally, you know,
Speaker 2: pass over and not even give it a second thought.
Speaker 2: And all. First of all, Lou Alesando elaborates upon what
Speaker 2: we said in the second installment of the Art of
Speaker 2: the article that his father, Lou Alexander the Third, because
Speaker 2: he's Lou Alexander the fourth. Lou e Alexander the Third
Speaker 2: was a part of Brigade twenty five oh six. To
Speaker 2: Brigade twenty five oh six was a bunch of Cuban
Speaker 2: exiles that were going to invade Cuba, and they did.
Speaker 2: It was called the Bay of Pigs and was complete disaster.
Speaker 2: It didn't work, but they were tied to E. Howard Hunt,
Speaker 2: and E Howard Hunt was a major UFO disinformation agent
Speaker 2: because he told his lawyer, well a lawyer for the
Speaker 2: Watergate burglars early on Douglas Caddy, that that JFK had
Speaker 2: been assassinated in order to hide the quote unquo, I
Speaker 2: believe he referred to it as the the alien secret,
Speaker 2: the alien presence, Yeah, the alien presence, to conceal the
Speaker 2: alien presence and all. So you know, so here we
Speaker 2: have this very early tie of Lou Alesando to a
Speaker 2: UFO disinformation agent and all. But in the book he
Speaker 2: goes even farther than what we knew at the time
Speaker 2: of the that we came out with the second inst
Speaker 2: installment of this series. With the second installment of this series,
Speaker 2: we just we referenced an article that you know gave
Speaker 2: passing mentioned to the fact that Lou Alessando the Third
Speaker 2: was in Brigade twenty five oh six. In Lou Alezando's book, Imminent,
Speaker 2: what he reveals is that his father never ceased working
Speaker 2: with the Cuban exile community, and his father had him
Speaker 2: doing going through all this training, all that going out
Speaker 2: to shooting ranges and all this stuff, and Lou Alesando
Speaker 2: was wondering what this was all about, and he later
Speaker 2: found out that his father had intended for him to
Speaker 2: be part of Alpha sixty Alpha sixty six had support
Speaker 2: from David Attlee Phillips, a former CIA official who founded
Speaker 2: the the UH. I'm trying to think of the name
Speaker 2: of the organization. Well, the he might have been involved
Speaker 2: in that, but he also founded what was called the
Speaker 2: Association of Former Intelligence of Former Intelligence UH Former Intelligence Officials.
Speaker 2: I believe it's what it's called a A f O
Speaker 2: I A f I O. And and two members of
Speaker 2: that association would be you recognize their names and all
Speaker 2: John B. Alexander and Michael Akino again two other UFO.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what practice practicing Satanists? Yeah, what practic Wow,
Speaker 3: that's incredible. Yes, So Adley Phillips is connected to A Kino?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it's incredible.
Speaker 2: There is a picture. If you go right now, and
Speaker 2: anybody doubts what I'm saying, go right now to John B.
Speaker 2: Alexander's website and he's got a whole area of pictures
Speaker 2: that just shows him with different associates. It's got a
Speaker 2: picture of him with Edward Teller, who we go who
Speaker 2: we go into in depth and part three of this series.
Speaker 2: It's got a picture of him. But but the picture
Speaker 2: that in particular, go to the picture of him with
Speaker 2: John B. Alexander and read what it says underneath the
Speaker 2: picture with him with John B. Alexander. It's it's it
Speaker 2: says that it's it's the two of the that this
Speaker 2: is a picture that was taken of the two of
Speaker 2: them at an a an A f U I O
Speaker 2: meeting at a meeting of the Association of Him of
Speaker 2: Former Intelligences. Uh. Absolutely, and yeah, yeah, yeah, I see
Speaker 2: you got it up right there. Yeah yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: if you scroll down, it's somewhere there. But yeah. He
Speaker 2: he takes a picture with a Kino and it's at
Speaker 2: a meeting of the organization that David Attlee Phillips founded
Speaker 2: and all. So I'm so, I mean, uh, lewis Elissando
Speaker 2: the fourth who is the guy that everybody's calling this
Speaker 2: courageous uh u UFO whistle blower has been tied into
Speaker 2: this disinformation organization since he was a child, since he
Speaker 2: was a child. Because it's not.
Speaker 1: How many people in the uf OH community know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? How many? Yeah, that's how big he bothered to check.
Speaker 1: You know, well, good question. This is David Atlie Phillips.
Speaker 1: He wrote a book Careers and Secret Operations, How to
Speaker 1: be a Federal Intelligence Officer.
Speaker 2: A little a little tid bit on Michael Aquino, uh,
Speaker 2: aliens and uh extraterrestrials uh uh all those those seemed
Speaker 2: to inhabit a place in the theology of his uh,
Speaker 2: his particular variety of Satanism because uh, he speaks of
Speaker 2: a pantechnicon which was supposedly some sort of alien god,
Speaker 2: some sort of extraterrestrial uh god of some sort. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, like I don't know if it's still online.
Speaker 2: You used to be able to go to it. I
Speaker 2: think of a zebr dot org or something like that.
Speaker 2: It had all these tymple of set uh uh documents
Speaker 2: in it, and you know, in two or three of
Speaker 2: them he talks about pantechnicon in there, so extraterrestrials found
Speaker 2: their way into the hole setian uh theology. And and yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, like Lou lu Ado. Another thing that he
Speaker 2: points out and imminent is that he was trained to
Speaker 2: be a remote viewer, and so he he knew a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys. He knew how Putof, who you know,
Speaker 2: also looms large on John B. Alexander's side. There's pictures
Speaker 2: of him up there with John b Alexander. And and
Speaker 2: how Putof also was a was a scientologist for a time,
Speaker 2: you know, deeply tied in with the NSA and the
Speaker 2: CIA and with with Bigelow's National Institute for Discovery Sciences.
Speaker 2: He was a part of that for a time. See,
Speaker 2: and and what a lot of people think is that
Speaker 2: when they look at Lou Alessando and Christopher Millan. They're
Speaker 2: seeing a clean break from these old deep state connected
Speaker 2: fringe kind of characters. Well it's not true. When you
Speaker 2: read immin It, when you read Alessandro's book, you see
Speaker 2: that that the that the connections are still there, that
Speaker 2: the connections remained, and uh, I know that there was
Speaker 2: a political a political article, uh by the publication Politico
Speaker 2: that had I believe the writer's name was Fastbender or
Speaker 2: something to that effect. There was an article in Political
Speaker 2: that actually said that Leslie Kane was put in contact
Speaker 2: with Louelzando to do the whole famous now infamous kind
Speaker 2: of New York Times series on him, and that the
Speaker 2: that the man that put her in contact with Loue
Speaker 2: Alexanda was none other than Robert Robert Bigelow who started Nitsey.
Speaker 2: So there is no clean break, you know, the these
Speaker 2: what's old is new.
Speaker 1: These these guys, they're all spooped up, they're they're all.
Speaker 2: Scooped up, and it's and it's all connected, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it. They just did a rebranding to make it
Speaker 2: look like this is this is a clean break from
Speaker 2: all the old fringy characters that had deep state associations. Well,
Speaker 2: it's that's not the case at all.
Speaker 1: See guy, this guy Alexander went to Yao of God's
Speaker 1: Place and didn't even take it off his website. This
Speaker 1: guy's like trafficking baby murders and murders. Yeah, some of
Speaker 1: the darkest stuff imaginable.
Speaker 2: Seeing there he is with Edward Taylor right there. Edward Taylor,
Speaker 2: we get into in the third, the third installment of
Speaker 2: this series because Edward Taylor was was a part of
Speaker 2: the American Security Council who won, which was a council
Speaker 2: that wanted to see NSC sixty eight the policies of
Speaker 2: NSC sixty eight continue and and see that's this is incredible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: NSC sixty eight was base was basically a paper written
Speaker 2: by Paul Nitzy and others that that held that George
Speaker 2: Keenan was right in wanting to have a containment doctrine
Speaker 2: regarding the Soviet Union. But it but the containment doctrine
Speaker 2: that Keenan had in mind was two benign. Paul Nitzey
Speaker 2: wanted it to be militarized, and that's what happened. They
Speaker 2: followed the UH the prescription. The United States government under
Speaker 2: Truman followed the prescriptions of NSC sixty eight and set
Speaker 2: us off on this on this on a trend of
Speaker 2: militarism and statism, and and so so when you read
Speaker 2: Mellon's op ed for Washington Post, it's obvious that he
Speaker 2: wants to continue with the NSC sixty eight tradition of
Speaker 2: militarism and statism. But how can you do that when
Speaker 2: the Cold War has ended? You got to find new boogeymen.
Speaker 2: And so he's he's presenting UAPs as the new boogeyman,
Speaker 2: and all, well, well, well, one of the one of
Speaker 2: the groups that wanted to see that was promoting n
Speaker 2: s C sixty eight uh trends of militarism and statism
Speaker 2: was the American Security Council. Edward Taylor was a part
Speaker 2: of the American Security Council. And Edward Taylor was uh
Speaker 2: it seems that he was spreading disinformation of an alien
Speaker 2: threat that that uh that would you know, basically uh
Speaker 2: cause people to believe that you know, uh that the
Speaker 2: military had to be built up in order to meet
Speaker 2: this this alien threat. He was he was basically using
Speaker 2: Project ex Caliber, which was a was a project that
Speaker 2: he came up with at Lawrence Livermore that that was
Speaker 2: supposed to give birth to Star Wars, this project to
Speaker 2: build a laser, and and the way that they would
Speaker 2: do it is that we would set off these nuclear
Speaker 2: these nuclear blast underground devices would capture the energy, focus
Speaker 2: the energy, and create and and and a laser would
Speaker 2: be borne out of it. And the project was a
Speaker 2: complete almost a complete joke. And all it they they did,
Speaker 2: they did create the phenomena, uh, the phenomenon of lay
Speaker 2: of lasing, but it never reached the level that would
Speaker 2: be needed for Star Wars, and all they lied to
Speaker 2: the public and said that it did but in particular Teller,
Speaker 2: but it never really did meet that meet that that level.
Speaker 2: It never it never reached that level.
Speaker 1: So so.
Speaker 2: So what Taelor did was used a fraud to build
Speaker 2: a fraud. He used the he used the the project,
Speaker 2: He used Project x caliber to create this this UH disinformation,
Speaker 2: this story, this disinformation story that was then passed around
Speaker 2: by UH disseminated by individuals like John Lear and William Cooper,
Speaker 2: probably unwittingly so that you know they were they were
Speaker 2: UH doing all these underground explosions in order to order
Speaker 2: to create a laser to counter aliens that were uh,
Speaker 2: that were had that aliens that had underground bases here
Speaker 2: on Earth, on Earth and Teller's So a lot of
Speaker 2: that disinformation that Taylor was spreading was unfortunately also passed
Speaker 2: to Paul Benowitz through people like Bill Maher and Richard Doty,
Speaker 2: and it was a large it contributed, uh, it made
Speaker 2: a large contribute contribution to the nervous exhaustion that uh,
Speaker 2: that Paul Benowitz eventually experience. It's because he eventually had
Speaker 2: a breakdown and had to be put in a psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 1: And you know they drove him crazy. Right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I did a book on that spy spooks and
Speaker 1: cooks or whatever you have fossos and cooks, right yeah,
Speaker 1: Adam go right, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: This website he's connected everybody Mac He's got actresses on here,
Speaker 1: mentions little with the Michael Akino by name, like yep,
Speaker 1: that's like make you sit up in your chair, like
Speaker 1: what Yeah, and then all these other people that are
Speaker 1: in the news all the time. Yeah, and stand Nap Nap,
Speaker 1: who's all over the places in your article. He's like
Speaker 1: promoting this on Rogan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's George, George George Knapp is basically, uh, the
Speaker 2: UFO equivalent of Mockingbird Press. I'm convinced of that and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, like he's writing about he's supposed to be
Speaker 2: an objective reporter, and he's writing about to the Stars
Speaker 2: Academy when he has some kind of stock in it.
Speaker 2: And and then like his book over Over Skinwalker Ranch
Speaker 2: is supposed to be in a quote unquote objective look
Speaker 2: at Glenn Rocker Ranch, but then his co his co
Speaker 2: author on it is a was a member of the
Speaker 2: National Institute of Discovery Sciences. Again the big the whole
Speaker 2: Bigelow outfit and all the whole uh you know, Bigelow
Speaker 2: constellation and everything. So uh yeah, I mean uh, And
Speaker 2: and what we point out in part three of this
Speaker 2: series is that a lot of this is happening to
Speaker 2: continue that militaristic trend, and that militaristic and status trend
Speaker 2: that began with Paul Nitzi and the and the uh,
Speaker 2: the writing and adoption of National Security Council Memorandum sixty eight,
Speaker 2: that that NSC sixty eight doctrine to continue with that
Speaker 2: because because presenting the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, whoever
Speaker 2: else as as a reason to continue with this, with
Speaker 2: this militarist trend, it's not working any it's floundering. So
Speaker 2: out of desperation they're turning to UAPs now and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean UAPs are are the whole UAP UFO deception
Speaker 2: is proof positive of what Phil and I have been
Speaker 2: saying that we live in the the the age what
Speaker 2: we call the age of the failing narrative, every narrative
Speaker 2: that they've come out with, environmental meltdown, the Russians are coming,
Speaker 2: the Chinese are going to eat us, nuclear anil, the
Speaker 2: nuclear annihilation, you know Iran in a new nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: Nobody's buying these things anymore. It's strange credulity. They had
Speaker 2: so much overstretch with the BS coming out of the
Speaker 2: out of COVID nineteen and that whole operation, that nobody
Speaker 2: buys their nonsense anymore. So now there is now they're
Speaker 2: getting desperate because all the narratives are failing. So this
Speaker 2: seems to be the last refuge of the scoundrels. Is
Speaker 2: the UAP narrative. The desperation, the desperation is uh made
Speaker 2: palpable by the fantastical nat you know, the very fantastical
Speaker 2: nature of the uh ontological shock there attempting to uh
Speaker 2: provoke because now now no longer is it no longer
Speaker 2: is a Is it a threat that is located here
Speaker 2: on Terra Firma, Now it's a threat from out there,
Speaker 2: from beyond the stars. Yeah. But we're absolutely convinced. That's
Speaker 2: what's trying to do with the whole thing is that
Speaker 2: you know, there there are there are elements in this
Speaker 2: deception that are using it to do religious re engineering,
Speaker 2: re engineering human spirituality to bring about social engineering. But
Speaker 2: Melon and people in Mellon's camp, they're doing it to
Speaker 2: try to keep this trend of militarism and statism that
Speaker 2: began back with the adoption of n SC sixty eight going.
Speaker 2: That's what That's why Kirsten Gillibrand, who is tied to
Speaker 2: BAE Systems, her family is tied to BAE system That's
Speaker 2: what she's that's why she's doing it. That's why our
Speaker 2: possible new Secretary of State, Marco Rubio is involved in
Speaker 2: the deception and all and he and he and Kirsten
Speaker 2: Gillibrand are like this and all that, and that's why
Speaker 2: Loue Elizondo is involved in this because if you read,
Speaker 2: if you read the book Imminent and I cannot, I
Speaker 2: cannot recommend that people read that enough that the audience
Speaker 2: listeners need to go out and read that and all
Speaker 2: uh to see what I'm talking about. You read that
Speaker 2: book and don't just ignore all the sensational crap in it.
Speaker 2: Read about his biography early on in the book at All.
Speaker 2: Lou Elissando is a poster boy for the trend of
Speaker 2: militarism and statism that began with NSC sixty sixty eight.
Speaker 2: He in in the book. In the book, he and
Speaker 2: will will be providing quotes in later installments. In the book,
Speaker 2: he talks about how he worked at Guantanamo in the
Speaker 2: interrogation in the interrogation program there, and that there was
Speaker 2: a u N arrest warrant out for his involvement in
Speaker 2: those interre in the that interrogation progress interrogation techniques.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, those are all there are. I've done
Speaker 1: shows on that. There's no question exactly exactly sensory deprivation repatterning.
Speaker 1: You talk to some of those guys who went through that,
Speaker 1: they got picked up off the street randos, they were
Speaker 1: called terrorists and then got he told them hearted with
Speaker 1: stuff like all the standards stuff. You can see pictures
Speaker 1: of him. You're there, like have their eyes and ears covered,
Speaker 1: pants tied together, so they're totally in the sensory deprivation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's straight out of you and Cameron.
Speaker 2: In the book, he speaks with resentment over the fact
Speaker 2: that he was referred to as the quote unquote America
Speaker 2: as as quote unquote America's tortures are that was the
Speaker 2: name that they referred to, lou Elizondo, that was what
Speaker 2: they called him and everything, and he downplaced the torture
Speaker 2: aspects to the interrogation. He said, well, from my perspective,
Speaker 2: I was serving my country in the war against terror.
Speaker 1: And so those are the covers. I mean, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: This cover actually immense. Admits that he's a Department of
Speaker 1: Defense person, like it's crazy, and he's I would be
Speaker 1: like this is us right away and eight hundred billion
Speaker 1: dollar a year, judget.
Speaker 2: And and and something else. He talks glowingly of his
Speaker 2: former boss, James Clapper. He says that this was a
Speaker 2: man of great integrity. This is the man that lied
Speaker 2: and said no, the NSA is not spying not intentionally.
Speaker 2: We're not spying intentionally on the American people. We might
Speaker 2: have done it accidentally. And then all the evidence comes
Speaker 2: out that shows that Clapper was just flat out lying,
Speaker 2: and he talks about Clapper in glowing terms, talks about
Speaker 2: how he met with Clapper in the green room at CNN,
Speaker 2: and Clapper had said that he was proud of Loue
Speaker 2: Elizondo and his what he had done with the uf
Speaker 2: UAP disclosures. So again, this dude is the poster boy
Speaker 2: for American militarism and he's he's the embodiment of everything
Speaker 2: that started it n s C sixty eight and all.
Speaker 1: So he guess who else works for b A Systems?
Speaker 1: You want to take a guess? James Clapper? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. It's right on his It's right on
Speaker 1: his uh Wikipedia page. Yeah. And and cheap Operating Operating
Speaker 1: Officer British Military Intelligence comping DETICA now deifying US based
Speaker 1: subsidy or b A Systems.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one big, happy corporate family.
Speaker 2: Yeah again. Uh, Kirsten gillibrand her she is connected through
Speaker 2: her family and and I can't recall who it was
Speaker 2: if it's their father or her mother and all. But
Speaker 2: but she is connected directly to b A systems through
Speaker 2: through her family. She has a family connection to it.
Speaker 2: All of these people that are you know, that are
Speaker 2: part of the the Ellen agenda involved in this deception,
Speaker 2: the the agenda of militarism have ties to defense contractors
Speaker 2: like jilibriand I mean Adam Shift, who did who was
Speaker 2: involved in that first big congressional hearing over UAPCE. Adam
Speaker 2: Shift is bought up. So UH is totally bought up
Speaker 2: by Raithon Raytheon has put a lot, has given a
Speaker 2: lot of money to Adam Shift not.
Speaker 1: Even surprise, huge huge presence in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: Long under oath to Congress. Right, both accused. Now no
Speaker 1: jail sens for these guys. Yeah, yeah, unbelievable, And it's incredible.
Speaker 1: That's how incredible your research and how important it is
Speaker 1: is because people just take these guys at face value.
Speaker 1: These guys have these sketchiest connections. Podesta alone just being
Speaker 1: connected to Podesta, Like I saw Podesta with Schwarzenegger voting
Speaker 1: for Kamala, and I'm just like what they got on
Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger something on to.
Speaker 2: Get mister screw your freedoms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I don't know, he's got to be compromised
Speaker 1: in one way or the other just by sitting next
Speaker 1: to Podesta, because the average person would want to keep
Speaker 1: Podesta forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but like you said, but like you said,
Speaker 2: you know, but you know, there's there's also in addition
Speaker 2: to and what we're going to get into in later installments.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're dealing with how this is being used
Speaker 2: to preserve militarism, right and NSC sixty eight style militarism.
Speaker 2: But like you said earlier, it's also, like you know,
Speaker 2: about changing human humanity's UH spiritual outlook and changing changing religions,
Speaker 2: doing overall halls of people's religions. Well, later on in
Speaker 2: in the book Imminent, Leuis Alessandro promotes the whole UH doctrine,
Speaker 2: and the Nephlim doctrine is basically this idea that the
Speaker 2: Nephilim spoken of in Genesis chapter six, you know, had
Speaker 2: had come down to Earth and polluted the human gene pool,
Speaker 2: and and that God is this big eugenicist in the
Speaker 2: sky that has to get rid of everybody except for Noah.
Speaker 2: Not because Noah was a righteous man. But because Noah
Speaker 2: kept his gene pool clean and and all of that stuff,
Speaker 2: that that belief you know that that skewed version of
Speaker 2: of the of of of Yeah, yeah, that skewed version
Speaker 2: of the Bible began with people like John Darby and g. H.
Speaker 2: Pim pimp Uh g H. Pimber. What did Darby and
Speaker 2: Pimber have him in common and everything? Sationalism? And they
Speaker 2: were also part of and you'll be able to appreciate this,
Speaker 2: they were part of or or associated with the Plymouth Brethren.
Speaker 2: Well what did the Plymouth Brethren give us? Alistair Kroller?
Speaker 2: And this is why, this is why stans Satanic. This
Speaker 2: is why Satanic apocalypticism is so similar to the apocalyptic
Speaker 2: beliefs that are floated around in fundamentalist and dispensationalist circles
Speaker 2: and all. There's that kind of symbiotic relationship between between
Speaker 2: evangelicals and the Satanists. They seem to switch sides really easy.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of former Evangelicals are now Satanists. A
Speaker 2: lot of former Satanists are now Evangelicals. And the reason
Speaker 2: that for that is this shared totally, completely skewed eschatology.
Speaker 2: That's that's divorced entirely from Apostolic Christianity. You won't find that.
Speaker 2: You won't find that belief system in the more apostolically
Speaker 2: based communions, you won't find it, like, for instance, with Anglicans,
Speaker 2: you won't find it. With the Orthodox. You won't find
Speaker 2: it with Roman or Eastern Catholic or Byzantine Catholic. You
Speaker 2: find it usually with these more fringy style kind of
Speaker 2: fundamentally a rejected revelation. He didn't get that was worth anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they don't emphasize it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're really right, It's really incredible, and it
Speaker 1: makes you wonder when you see this kind of cultural engineering,
Speaker 1: this puppeteering, It makes you wonder, like the Nephelin pushers,
Speaker 1: who else is like who's granting these grants? Who's financing
Speaker 1: these ideas? Right? Yeah, I get in the public mind
Speaker 1: like Louis Elizondo, like he's all over the news everywhere.
Speaker 1: His book has would all kinds of downs are bestseller.
Speaker 1: You know it's supported well well.
Speaker 2: Chuck Missler, who really was a pusher of this. He
Speaker 2: worked with that word Teller. He worked with Edward Teller, who,
Speaker 2: like I said earlier, you know he was whether the
Speaker 2: disinformation agents who possibly made UH made UH contributed to
Speaker 2: the insanity of Paul Benowitz, and at least one of
Speaker 2: his associates had told Greg Bishop, who wrote Project Beta,
Speaker 2: that it was likely that Teller was a member of
Speaker 2: the Aviary. And the Aviary was that coterie of UFO
Speaker 2: disinformation agents coming out of the government that used William Moore,
Speaker 2: that used Bill Moore to UH to spread all these
Speaker 2: all these lies, you know, And and Richard Doty was
Speaker 2: either a member of the Aviary or one of the
Speaker 2: one of the aviaries intermediaries. And so when you go
Speaker 2: back by his own admission, so.
Speaker 1: When you go back to the fifties, like what UFO
Speaker 1: story isn't part of the intelligence, right, I mean if
Speaker 1: you look at the dam Sky and all these other
Speaker 1: ones and all this uh roswell, this is all kind
Speaker 1: of myth making, right, Yeah, it's exactly I mean. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it overlaps with Kennedy that one guy
Speaker 1: Banister was involved in another uh UFO story too, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Banister Banister kept well for the files for
Speaker 2: the FBI over the the over UFOs and other strange uh.
Speaker 2: I guess you could say Fortyana that that the that
Speaker 2: The X Files would be based off of that, you know,
Speaker 2: and yeah, and would Richard Dodi also act as an
Speaker 2: advisor to Chris Carter, Yes, he acted, he wrote, he
Speaker 2: wrote that at least two an saus in one other
Speaker 2: episode of The X Files and everything, So it's incredible.
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a it's a rat.
Speaker 1: That's a really really good doctor. Oh yeah, a very
Speaker 1: an excellent one. And actually talked that he started his
Speaker 1: own publishing company, the guy who did that, so I
Speaker 1: wish him well into legit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's a it's a it's a great
Speaker 2: It's one of those fundamental works that you have to
Speaker 2: that you have to watch if you're really going to,
Speaker 2: you know, do any kind of serious research into UFOs
Speaker 2: and and you know what they're really about, and.
Speaker 1: Right, what's going on behind scenes. So there's always all
Speaker 1: the money, right, all these guys are making money off
Speaker 1: of this thing. And I pulled up this thing of Clapper,
Speaker 1: where like Russia is the primary adversary so dangerous that
Speaker 1: if you're put in context with everything else, we know
Speaker 1: the Russians are doing to interfere with the election, another
Speaker 1: bull and just the historical practice of the Russians who
Speaker 1: typically almost genetically yep, to bo op, penetrate, the interesting word,
Speaker 1: gain favor whatever, which is typical Russian technique.
Speaker 2: Yes, even after even after uh, the Soviet imperium falls,
Speaker 2: it's like, well, they're not communists anymore. Well, you have
Speaker 2: to understand this is in the Russia's genes.
Speaker 1: That's how common. It's just Russians, it's just Russian.
Speaker 2: It's just something about those Slavac people.
Speaker 1: And for people, you know, the Russians, they got it
Speaker 1: rough because they're just not as pure European. You're easy
Speaker 1: to like turn them into like skeep coats. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: total disgrace. These people who believe all this Russian stuff
Speaker 1: are stupid. Yeah, they tried, guys, they tried to bring
Speaker 1: up the Russian like involving the election again in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, yeah. I think that I think it might
Speaker 2: a lot of that might go back, And this goes back.
Speaker 2: You remember our conversation over the Inglotopian Dreams article that
Speaker 2: we wrote. I think that a lot of this goes
Speaker 2: back to those anglophile networks, the constellation of networks that
Speaker 2: made up you know, uh, these these true believers in
Speaker 2: the visions of Cecil Rhodes and John Ruskin. They they
Speaker 2: they seemed they were terrified of the Slavic people. They
Speaker 2: were scared that the Slavic people would be real competitors
Speaker 2: with the British for World hit Chiminy. And what scared
Speaker 2: them even more than that, what scared them poopless, was
Speaker 2: the notion that one day the Slavic people might make
Speaker 2: peace with the Germans, and that Russia and Germany would
Speaker 2: join together. And if that ever happened, they would become
Speaker 2: an unstoppable force. And you know, and and and so
Speaker 2: they did whatever they could throughout history, including recent history,
Speaker 2: to drive a wedge between Germany and UH and Russia.
Speaker 1: Or Europe in general too. So no alliance, no NATO,
Speaker 1: NATO did, Russia doesn't get to join, and then you
Speaker 1: carve everybody out. I mean, this is maybe like Perfidius
Speaker 1: Albion or even the neocons is like, hey, the Germans
Speaker 1: are now got no energy, they've been industrialized. Russians that
Speaker 1: they tried to take down the Russian Empire of the
Speaker 1: Russian state and it's kind of bad.
Speaker 2: It's it's backfired. Horribly. The Germans should have never gone
Speaker 2: along with the all this because all that oil that
Speaker 2: was going from going from Russia to Germany is now
Speaker 2: going over to China.
Speaker 1: Or the natural gas like the natural grassrot, the free
Speaker 1: well relatively cheap natural gas propped up the German who
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of access to the real energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, and you have you kind of have that
Speaker 2: that that brilliance among the Germans, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: like the Nazis were awful, but like the scientists, the
Speaker 2: rocket scientists that just you know, there.
Speaker 1: Is is obviously engineering brilliance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's obvious brilliance there. So imagine if that brilliance ever,
Speaker 2: you know, met with the UH, with Russia in terms
Speaker 2: of Russia's boundless resources, you know, with with Russia providing
Speaker 2: the resources and the and the Germans uh, you know,
Speaker 2: providing the UH. The technical will know how I mean,
Speaker 2: they would they not have that, they would be unstoppable
Speaker 2: and UH and and they Britain specifically, but the Anglophile,
Speaker 2: the whole Englosphere, Anglotopia or whatever generally speaking, would be
Speaker 2: rendered irrelevant and they just back to the Crimean war too,
Speaker 2: like just meddling around in Russia.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so these guys keep doing. But the cultural aspect,
Speaker 1: like some people are really wrapped up in the UFO phenomenon,
Speaker 1: and that because it's such an ornate tapestry of different
Speaker 1: figures and groups and people, they can't see the wizard
Speaker 1: pulling the levers behind the curtain. I would say, no,
Speaker 1: that's the biggest shame guys. Like it's like that guy
Speaker 1: you were talking about and the spooks and cooks. I
Speaker 1: forgot his name, but the guy went insane, like how
Speaker 1: many people have lost their minds to this stuff?
Speaker 2: Paul Bitewitz, he had he had, if I recall correctly,
Speaker 2: the poor man had like had erected like a wall
Speaker 2: of sandbags in his house. I mean like, well, he
Speaker 2: just basically turned his house into a fort because he
Speaker 2: was scared that aliens were coming through the walls. And
Speaker 2: they were most likely not aliens because Richard Dodi and
Speaker 2: the a FO s I were sneaking into his house.
Speaker 2: But Richard Dody also took note that somebody else there
Speaker 2: was evidence that other people were sneaking into into Benewitz's house.
Speaker 2: That was like he saw where a ladder had been
Speaker 2: sat against the window during one of their uh, during
Speaker 2: one of their expeditions and all, and.
Speaker 1: He's like an Eastern European Stasi mind.
Speaker 2: We didn't do that. And you know, he said, well,
Speaker 2: we didn't do that. That must have been somebody else
Speaker 2: in this alphabet soup and so I mean like and
Speaker 2: there was according to Great Bishop allegedly marx like like
Speaker 2: injection marks on Paul Benowitz's arms. So you know, he
Speaker 2: he might have been subjected to like mind control experiments.
Speaker 2: But it just, uh, it melted, It melted the man,
Speaker 2: the poor man down.
Speaker 1: How many other benitz are out there, like other people
Speaker 1: have gone through.
Speaker 2: Their legion, their legion in the UFO community. When when,
Speaker 2: when it was all said and done, and Richard Doty
Speaker 2: finally told, you know, Paul Benowitz, it wasn't true. What
Speaker 2: I told you was it was a lie. Paul Benowitz said,
Speaker 2: you don't have to lie to me. I know it
Speaker 2: was true. I know you were telling me the truth.
Speaker 2: And he went to his grave believing all of it.
Speaker 1: He believed that's the mind control aspect. And so it
Speaker 1: was a mind control aspect to all of the UFOs.
Speaker 2: And you look at that subculture now and even with us.
Speaker 2: The comments that we get, we get, we get some
Speaker 2: nasty comments. Well, Linda melted hell for it. It's it's
Speaker 2: that they know was manipulated by Doty every bit as
Speaker 2: much as Bitowitz and Linda Bolton. Howe becomes quite hostile
Speaker 2: when people suggest that the claims that were fed to
Speaker 2: her by by Doty are somehow false or at least
Speaker 2: somehow errodeous or partially But we've gotten up on shows
Speaker 2: and had people just attack us and like, no, it's real,
Speaker 2: it's real. You're the cover up artists, you're the you're
Speaker 2: you're one of them. You're the call and see lead.
Speaker 1: That's a classic cult response, like cult mind responses, accuse
Speaker 1: the accuser.
Speaker 2: There are people that you'll never be able to convince otherwise.
Speaker 1: That's there's something really heavy and disturbing. Matthewfo it's kind
Speaker 1: of funny games, but then you kind of see the
Speaker 1: wealth behind it and the agendas and that they're not
Speaker 1: telling these poor naive global people. You know, you're the
Speaker 1: kind of people you could tell them the global word
Speaker 1: isn't in the dictionary and they just be like really, right,
Speaker 1: So they found those kind of people, Yeah, and skewed
Speaker 1: their lives. I don't think it's it's terrible when you
Speaker 1: see these agendas and stuff.
Speaker 2: It is yeah, and and you know, uh, I think
Speaker 2: that they want those people to be around and for
Speaker 2: those people to to they want to cultivate their pathology,
Speaker 2: and then they want them to and then they want
Speaker 2: those people to spread their pathology. Collinate, Please pollinate, Please pollinate.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's almost like the Dead Deadheads and stuff like
Speaker 1: can you create your core followers and tell them to
Speaker 1: spread everything else?
Speaker 2: Because because the end game for them will be to
Speaker 2: try to to try one last threat narrative and it
Speaker 2: and this would be that last threat narrative. The UFO
Speaker 2: went because, like like we said, and the the the
Speaker 2: the this conspiratorial network that we talk about, the deep state,
Speaker 2: all of that, they're not omniscient, they're not omnipresent, they're
Speaker 2: not perfect, they don't they're not hyper competent. A lot
Speaker 2: of their competency went away with the death of three
Speaker 2: people Kissinger, Brazinski, and David Rockefeller, and so their their
Speaker 2: narratives are failing, and out of desperation, they might they
Speaker 2: might be might be turning to that as the final
Speaker 2: narrative to try to keep control. When you have Paul Krugman,
Speaker 2: who's supposed to be like this nobel economist or whatever
Speaker 2: you know this, yeah, you know, saying that, you know,
Speaker 2: an alien invasion would help us to pain inflation. And
Speaker 2: he's saying this kind of crap. It shows that it
Speaker 2: shows that they are turning to this in desperation. But
Speaker 2: they need the grand they need they need to be
Speaker 2: the ground to be uh fertilized.
Speaker 1: So you free conditioned people for they need the condition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they need the people to be conditioned for that
Speaker 2: that kind of cosmic Gulf of Tonkin incident that they
Speaker 2: might have.
Speaker 1: Right, that's what they did for nine to eleven, Like
Speaker 1: they pre kanditioned people, conditioned people with bin laden and
Speaker 1: terrorists terrorists together. Yeah, what do you guys see on
Speaker 1: the horizon, the near horizon.
Speaker 2: You well, again, I think that they are we we
Speaker 2: think that they're going to try something like, you know,
Speaker 2: for lack of a better way, putting it like a
Speaker 2: false flag. Paul Nitzi, who who's who conceived n SC
Speaker 2: sixty eight. The interesting thing about him is that he
Speaker 2: was also a major participant in in Operation Northwoods, and
Speaker 2: he actually wrote some of the ideas for false flags
Speaker 2: that were supposed to be a part of Operation Northwoods.
Speaker 2: And for the audience those who don't know, and I
Speaker 2: don't know the soul that wouldn't know by now. Operation
Speaker 2: north Woods was a was a project conceived by UH
Speaker 2: Lyman Lemnitzer, who was the head of the Joint Chiefs
Speaker 2: of Staff I believe at the time, and to cause
Speaker 2: all these terrorist actions and that would then be blamed
Speaker 2: on Cuba and then that would give the pre that
Speaker 2: would create the pretext for a military invasion of Cuba
Speaker 2: by America. Well, Paul Nitzi conceived some of the ideas
Speaker 2: as far as those series of false flags, and he
Speaker 2: was a participant in in UH Operation north Woods. So
Speaker 2: what we might be looking at on the horizon at
Speaker 2: some point is a cosmic Operation north Woods. But I
Speaker 2: think that'll be the casualties. The casualties associated with that
Speaker 2: operation whenever it should it should be hatched, will be real.
Speaker 2: But nobody's going to buy it. I don't believe that
Speaker 2: anybody's going to buy it. It's just but they will.
Speaker 2: We're pretty convinced they will try to pull it off
Speaker 2: at some point. Black swatt of is yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 2: because nothing's working anymore. Nothing else is working. It's just
Speaker 2: not working with the American public anymore. Our our our
Speaker 2: credulity was strained too much. It was strained to uh
Speaker 2: to the to the breaking point and all. So you know,
Speaker 2: so nobody's going to buy it. It won't succeed at
Speaker 2: it won't accomplish what they want to to accomplish. But unfortunately,
Speaker 2: there will be people hurt because you know, if you're
Speaker 2: going to have like a cosmic Golf of Tonkin or
Speaker 2: cosmic north Woods project, you're gonna you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Need casualties, right, casualties. It's real exactly. We lost five thousand.
Speaker 1: You could be next. That's what they said on nine
Speaker 1: to eleven, Like, hey, terrorist kid us, they could hit you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna use all those psychological tactics.
Speaker 2: So you have these. You could have like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: a drone attack in the South China, see and they say, well,
Speaker 2: initially we thought it was the Chinese, but it's really
Speaker 2: the Aliens. And you know, this drone attack could take
Speaker 2: out you know, sixty seventy some men on an aircraft carrier.
Speaker 2: They're dead, they're gone, and everything, and you know, and
Speaker 2: and the war drum start to beat for you know,
Speaker 2: it's we need to storm Mars and and you know,
Speaker 2: defeat the Venusians and it won't it won't work, but
Speaker 2: you know it won't work. But unfortunately there'll be all
Speaker 2: these these people that died for nothing, you know.
Speaker 1: So crazy. Well it's really amazing. I mean, people need
Speaker 1: to read your articles. Where can they read them? It's
Speaker 1: at the Canadian Patriot.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Canadian the Canadian Patriot Review. And there's three
Speaker 2: of them right now, well no, sorry, four of them,
Speaker 2: and three of them are related to the UFO topic.
Speaker 2: And then like he's getting ready to publish an expanded
Speaker 2: version of Ingleotopian Dreams, so there will be a fourth
Speaker 2: one on the horizon and it's a much much longer
Speaker 2: version of that of that article. And like I, like
Speaker 2: we said, we will be doing presentations. Philip's going to
Speaker 2: do his presentation on December first. I'm going to be
Speaker 2: doing my presentation on December fifteenth on the on these
Speaker 2: topics and everything, and anybody wanting to visit any of
Speaker 2: our older stuff, you know, please go to Conspiracy Archive.
Speaker 2: And hopefully at some point Terry's able to get back
Speaker 2: up on his feet because he was a he He
Speaker 2: was a great guy who gave us a platform for
Speaker 2: a long long time, and a very very good and
Speaker 2: responsible researcher.
Speaker 1: And you guys have a couple of books. Can you
Speaker 1: talk about those as well?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, we have The Ascendency of the Scientific Dictatorship.
Speaker 2: The expanded revised edition of that was released in two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, and it basically charts the course of
Speaker 2: the creation and development of technocracy, which, of course we saw,
Speaker 2: especially during the COVID hysteria, there was essentially a form
Speaker 2: of technocracy enshrined here in the United States, a rule
Speaker 2: by a cognitive elite people lay claimed to some vaguely
Speaker 2: defined socio political nosis, technical elite, scientific elites. And then
Speaker 2: we also published more recently Invoking the Beyond, which discusses
Speaker 2: the Beyond, a neologism that we assigned to a narrative
Speaker 2: construct invoked by the power elite to induce ontological shock.
Speaker 2: Of the beyond is basically invoked to dwarf representative forms
Speaker 2: of government, parliaments, congresses, what have you, to dwarf them
Speaker 2: epistemologically and ontologically, thereby creating a epistemological vacuum to be
Speaker 2: filled by a duke sex mockina, typically in the form
Speaker 2: of a technocratic elite.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. That's great ratings thirty seven five star reviews. A
Speaker 1: lot of information in.
Speaker 2: There too, it's a very thorough seven Yeah, seven years
Speaker 2: worth of research with that one.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. Congratulations, Thank you so much, guys. I
Speaker 1: will put links to everything. Send me any other links
Speaker 1: that you'd like to include in the show notes. It
Speaker 1: was Paul and Philip Collins and we talked about there
Speaker 1: are articles deception through Disclosure, So I'll put links to
Speaker 1: that as well. People check them out and to give
Speaker 1: them to your friends who are into the UFO phenomenon,
Speaker 1: because it'll gold be a good way to kind of
Speaker 1: program program. Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Might see the light.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean what's really scary is just the Intel
Speaker 1: connections are just all over the place. They're just ding
Speaker 1: ding ding ding. It's almost like which one isn't an
Speaker 1: intel or a cold operative or both. Maybe they're an intel.
Speaker 2: And a cold operative. Yeah, and and and everyone opens
Speaker 2: up a new a new rabbit hole. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's just like I.
Speaker 1: Had no idea about dolus in like the early UFOs,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know you had like his evil wand
Speaker 1: in that pot too, like oh yeah, oh yeah. Well
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it ties in with my earlier talk.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about mocking bird befoure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something we talked about in the book that we
Speaker 2: haven't spoken about in the articles yet. It's probably going
Speaker 2: to be in the presentation. There was a lawyer out
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati by the name of Thomas Iikoff. He wanted
Speaker 2: to sue Georgiadomski and for fraud because he had passed
Speaker 2: his literature through the United States Postal Service. So he's like,
Speaker 2: you're using the United States mail to perpetrate a fraud.
Speaker 2: And the the Council Legal Counsel for the CIA looked
Speaker 2: into Thomas Iikoff and said, well, does he have legal
Speaker 2: standing here? Does he have the grounds to bring his
Speaker 2: suit against Georgia Doomsky And they found that yes he did.
Speaker 2: But Alan Dallis said, if anybody tries to, I will
Speaker 2: we will bring an injunction. We will bring an a junction.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Most people and he has the same mentality of all
Speaker 1: these guys. A small technological elite should be the ones
Speaker 1: ruling everything. That's really what dolls believed. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that he kind of pulled that off in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. I mean, incredible stuff. Yeah, he was really nefarious,
Speaker 1: Like I think he was good at secrecy and concealing himself.
Speaker 1: Absolutely kind of puppeteering. So it's just like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: just ahead of intelligence.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he had a brilliance to him that this
Speaker 2: latest crop of deep state actors and elites don't have.
Speaker 2: And that's what we have going for us. I mean,
Speaker 2: with the death of these older guys and all that,
Speaker 2: while evil were had had a strange kind of brilliance
Speaker 2: to them. With their death and all we we have,
Speaker 2: you know what's left over, Well, these these pampered elites
Speaker 2: who you know, never had to perform, never had to
Speaker 2: do anything in their whole entire lives, and.
Speaker 1: So you know, so the old ones were very competent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think we've talked about this before, William,
Speaker 2: But I mean, when when when you have Mika Brazenski
Speaker 2: make in this moment of parapraxis saying, oh they they
Speaker 2: it's not there. It's not their place to tell people
Speaker 2: what to think. That's our job. And you consider the
Speaker 2: fact of who her father was and her father Big
Speaker 2: Big Zebig Pressensky would have never he would have never
Speaker 2: made a goof up of a flow up. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: would have never.
Speaker 1: And she's him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's a there's been I mean that with
Speaker 2: with the passing of those those three giants Kissinger, z
Speaker 2: Big and Uh and David Rockefeller, there's been a brain drain.
Speaker 2: There's been a there's been a loss of the intellectual
Speaker 2: base of the covert circles, the deep state retainers of
Speaker 2: the of the oligarch there's of the oligarchs, there's been I.
Speaker 1: Put George W. Bush in there too. The elder elder
Speaker 1: is very sinster character too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was, he was. Yeah, I mean, h
Speaker 2: W was pretty smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, George W.
Speaker 2: That's not so much. So there we go.
Speaker 1: So thank God that the competency level is degrading. It's
Speaker 1: good for humanity. Yeah, you have to thank God anyway, guys,
Speaker 1: thanks so much, great to talk with you, Paul and
Speaker 1: Philip Collins. I'll put all the links in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for talking.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bill, Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: William, stay there.