Speaker 1: Seven thirty fifty five Carsey Detalk Station. Happy Wednesday. It's
Speaker 1: that time of the week we talk with Americans for Prosperity.
Speaker 1: Donovan and Eil Donovan, welcome back to the fifty five
Speaker 1: Kossey Morning Show. My friend, it's always a pleasure having
Speaker 1: you on.
Speaker 2: Hey, happy to be here with you.
Speaker 1: So, one small step for a man, one giant lea
Speaker 1: for mankind, it's time for a one small step campaign.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. You've launched this new campaign. What's
Speaker 1: it all about, Donovan?
Speaker 3: Well, as we say, every giant leap begins with one
Speaker 3: small step, and we've actually had our one Small Step
Speaker 3: campaign for a number of months now, but we're sort
Speaker 3: of kicking it off with renewed vigor and the run
Speaker 3: up to next year's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of
Speaker 3: the United States, and we've set out a challenge we're
Speaker 3: launching today that is every AFP chapter, every state in
Speaker 3: the country, we're gonna be looking to mobilize two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand actions, two hundred and fifty thousand small
Speaker 3: steps if you will, to make a difference in the
Speaker 3: run up to next July fourth, America's two hundred and
Speaker 3: fiftieth birthday.
Speaker 2: It's a big carry on.
Speaker 3: Dacis School, Brian, but it's one that we think we're
Speaker 3: well positioned to do and we think can help reignite
Speaker 3: the American dream for so many folks from coast to coast.
Speaker 1: Well, you point out, and I saw the study myself.
Speaker 1: It's a sad reality, the reality that the gallop pole
Speaker 1: showing only fifty eight percent of US adults are proud
Speaker 1: to be Americans. I mean, I think we've this is
Speaker 1: an important campaign. I truly embrace what you're doing here
Speaker 1: because I think we've lost our sense of reality relativity.
Speaker 1: People don't pay attention to how terrible things are in
Speaker 1: other countries, so they more fully appreciate the freedoms and
Speaker 1: liberties that are well quick while quickly eroding, we still
Speaker 1: enjoy here in America. We've lost sight of something that
Speaker 1: I think is so truly and fundamentally important. It's like
Speaker 1: basically embodied in the Bill of Rights.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, and you know we see it a lot, right,
Speaker 3: you have that we run into that political malaise, right
Speaker 3: folks would say, well, my voice isn't going to make
Speaker 3: a difference. Yeah, you know, if I go out and
Speaker 3: knock that door. Is that really going to have an
Speaker 3: impact if I even go vote Brian? That gonna does
Speaker 3: that tip the scales of power in Washington and set
Speaker 3: things on the right direction. And so we combat that
Speaker 3: every day. But you know, part of the campaign and
Speaker 3: our folks who who've developed this and come up with
Speaker 3: some of the messaging and some of the promotional materials
Speaker 3: will be rolling.
Speaker 2: Out around this.
Speaker 3: It's got a phenomenal job I think of tapping into
Speaker 3: that American spirit, and no one better than Neil Armstrong
Speaker 3: to start with.
Speaker 2: That's who you know why we're launching it this.
Speaker 3: Week is because he coined that phrase, right, one small
Speaker 3: step for mankind one or one small step from out
Speaker 3: one giant lea for mankind.
Speaker 2: I pushed it totally, Brian. But the point there is
Speaker 2: we all know.
Speaker 3: It, and it still you know, it fires up this
Speaker 3: sense of the American spirit and the folks who say it,
Speaker 3: who hear it, and that's what we're wanting to tap
Speaker 3: into with this campaign.
Speaker 1: Actually, I maybe find fault with that one as an
Speaker 1: analogy because although you know, we the United States of America,
Speaker 1: did send him into the moon and he did land
Speaker 1: on the moon, he did jump and walk on the moon. First,
Speaker 1: there's a major accomplisation that was a large government program
Speaker 1: funded by taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 3: Thought of it, but it was a lot of Americans
Speaker 3: who came together.
Speaker 2: You know. I think where we tapped.
Speaker 3: Into that vision is, you know, as a country, right,
Speaker 3: we united around that idea. And it's hard to kind
Speaker 3: of point to in recent history some ideas whereas Americans
Speaker 3: we've just sort of collectively united around them.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: We find ourselves divided and separated on so many issues.
Speaker 3: But I think if we can kind of get ourselves
Speaker 3: together around these and I think we're going to be
Speaker 3: highlighting some of those different ideas and where where we
Speaker 3: see these these opportunities for Americans to come together and
Speaker 3: and sort of reignite those founding principles that our country
Speaker 3: was started upon two hundred and fifty years ago.
Speaker 1: Well, and I appreciate that one of the things you're
Speaker 1: going to be doing with this one Small Step campaign
Speaker 1: is spotlighting American visionaries, inventors, the entrepreneurs that took the
Speaker 1: challenge and you know, bid off some potent downside risk
Speaker 1: and got around the challenges they face and created something
Speaker 1: of really significant value for well, the population generally speaking.
Speaker 1: You know, inventors, for example, they create something that's wonderful.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe a vaccine or a cure for something,
Speaker 1: or you know, somebody created the internet at one point.
Speaker 1: How transformational was that? But I hope that at some
Speaker 1: point in the AFP, and I know you're giving your
Speaker 1: goals and your mission statement, you will be focusing on this.
Speaker 1: But what drove these people to do that? And I
Speaker 1: would point out and on the heels of Jack Avan
Speaker 1: in my conversation, that is the opportunity to for wealth,
Speaker 1: to make something that people want to make, something that
Speaker 1: will go out into the world that people will buy.
Speaker 1: So you become wealthy, and then you can employ other
Speaker 1: people and keep this great American dream going, I mean,
Speaker 1: and share that by employing people. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the great things about you know, capitalism.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, And it's what has made our country so
Speaker 3: exceptional for the years that it's that it's existed, Right,
Speaker 3: it's idea that you know, folks have an idea at
Speaker 3: a core level, they want to make something better for society.
Speaker 3: They see a problem, and when they solve that problem,
Speaker 3: they create wealth. They create opportunity, not just for themselves
Speaker 3: in their families, which is a marvelous thing. But they
Speaker 3: do it for the people in their community right. The jobs,
Speaker 3: the opportunity that they create then creates more opportunity. It's
Speaker 3: this these cycles of mutual benefit, Brian, the opportunity that
Speaker 3: comes from a nation that, at its core principles believes
Speaker 3: that life, liberty in the pursuit of happiness is what
Speaker 3: it's all about. And those founding principles that are articulated
Speaker 3: in the decoration of Atpendence and our nation's constitutions or
Speaker 3: our founding documents, that's what enables those folks, those innovators,
Speaker 3: those entrepreneurs, those job creators, to do what they do
Speaker 3: and has made us a country of exceptionalism for so
Speaker 3: many years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, Donovan, it's just not fair that
Speaker 1: someone makes money. It's not fair in spite of the
Speaker 1: fact that all their labor, all their effort, and all
Speaker 1: their trials and and and quite often multiple failures after
Speaker 1: failure after failure, they keep driving toward it and then
Speaker 1: they accomplish something and somebody else wants to stick their
Speaker 1: hand in the pocket of the entrepreneur and take it
Speaker 1: from them, just because find that's so effencive it well.
Speaker 3: And that's part of what we're gonna do, right. I
Speaker 3: think we're gonna be work through this campaign. We're going
Speaker 3: to do a good job, I hope, of talking about
Speaker 3: the history, talking about the foundational principles that our organization
Speaker 3: and bodies and that makes our nation great. But through that,
Speaker 3: you know, we're actually we're an organization of action. We're
Speaker 3: not just going to spend a year providing a history lesson.
Speaker 3: We're going to be challenging folks to take action along
Speaker 3: the way, right because as you know, we know.
Speaker 2: That for those.
Speaker 3: Freedom and liberties are are fleeting, and we have so
Speaker 3: much red tape and regulation in this country and in
Speaker 3: this state, we have so much taxation, right, government coming
Speaker 3: in taking money out of one person's pocket and trying
Speaker 3: to put it in someone else's.
Speaker 2: It makes it.
Speaker 3: Hard for entrepreneurs, innovators, creators to be successful, let alone
Speaker 3: hardworking blue collar americ Ohioans. Right, And so we're going
Speaker 3: to be using this campaign as additionally as an opportunity
Speaker 3: to talk about those issues, those areas for reform, the
Speaker 3: ways we move Ohio from middle of the Midwest to
Speaker 3: number one in the nation in AFP, Ohio get the
Speaker 3: forefront of that conversation the website.
Speaker 1: Take one small step dot com any calls to action
Speaker 1: for my listeners beyond heading over to the website and
Speaker 1: checking it out.
Speaker 3: Well, head over the website, sol that information out, and
Speaker 3: when our team members reach out to you to take
Speaker 3: action and get involved, to take your one small step
Speaker 3: take them up on it. From calling your state representatives
Speaker 3: to tell them to override the governor's misguided vetos. Yeah,
Speaker 3: joining us at the state House. Take that small step,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, it makes an impact and it makes
Speaker 3: a difference. So we need two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 3: of them here in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 1: I know my listeners will heed the challenge. Take one
Speaker 1: small step dot com, get in touch with the website
Speaker 1: and help by doing just one small effort in that direction. Donaldleneo,
Speaker 1: speaking of veto overrides, is going to bring you back
Speaker 1: in the next segment to talk about where we are
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Speaker 1: It is seven forty three to fifty five KRCIT talk
Speaker 1: station Brian Thomas with Americans for Prosperities Donovan and Eil Donovan.
Speaker 1: You alluded to it call to action us calling our
Speaker 1: representatives and exposed senators in Columbus and telling them to
Speaker 1: override Mike Dwain's vetos at least related to the three
Speaker 1: property texts relief provisions that were in the bill that
Speaker 1: he vetoed. Anything beyond that and where where do you
Speaker 1: stand on that? If you had interactions with the representatives
Speaker 1: or senators to find out where they are on overriding
Speaker 1: the veto.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've been That's sort of what we've been doing
Speaker 3: right now is having a lot of conversations with numbers
Speaker 3: of the General Assembly, particularly state representatives. Because the way
Speaker 3: that the veto override process works is it has to
Speaker 3: originate in the chamber where the bill came out of
Speaker 3: and so because the budget starts in the House House
Speaker 3: Bill ninety seven, the House has to take the first
Speaker 3: action and do the first round of veto overrides. Then
Speaker 3: it goes to the Senate, and really, honestly, the House
Speaker 3: is where the challenge lies because it takes sixty votes.
Speaker 2: You have sixty votes.
Speaker 3: Republicans have a sixty five member majority in the House,
Speaker 3: and so while that gives you a five vote buffer,
Speaker 3: there's still a handful of folks right who might be
Speaker 3: out of town or sick or whatever unknown reason decide
Speaker 3: they don't want to vote on this thing, or want
Speaker 3: to play games. And so it is an important sort
Speaker 3: of rallying effort, and there's an opportunity for grassroots to
Speaker 3: have an outsized impact, which is what our team's doing
Speaker 3: in events and rallying folks.
Speaker 2: Up and telephone.
Speaker 3: Town hall is one of the things we've been hosting
Speaker 3: around the state this week.
Speaker 1: Good is there any opposition to the provisions? I mean,
Speaker 1: they were in there to start with, and I still can't,
Speaker 1: for the like me, figure out why Mike de want
Speaker 1: and veto them, considering they were the subject matter of
Speaker 1: a full year's worth of research and study.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and talking to some folks, I think what I've
Speaker 3: heard is Dwine sort of didn't expect the backlash.
Speaker 2: That has come from this.
Speaker 3: And that's what most folks who've been paying attention to
Speaker 3: what's going on in Columbus have said, is like these
Speaker 3: were things that were well fed.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: Literally, I'm not being facetious. Here hundreds of hours of
Speaker 3: public testimony from organizations left right and center, citizens, local
Speaker 3: government officials, representatives all talking about these issues and the
Speaker 3: four pieces of property tax form and these, by the way, Brian,
Speaker 3: aren't the kinds of things that are you know, going
Speaker 3: to deliver major transformation over bullets.
Speaker 1: They're steps the measures that may help provide at least
Speaker 1: provide some flexibility to maybe get bring about some property
Speaker 1: tax relief. Maybe they won't, but at least they provide
Speaker 1: some flexibility to provide that relief.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and so they're they're meaningful, but they are They're
Speaker 3: not controversial. These are things that have been discussed and
Speaker 3: it's about really resetting the equation. And that's what the
Speaker 3: state legislature can do on this property tax crisis is
Speaker 3: create a structure that puts the taxpayers back in the
Speaker 3: dominant position. Where right now, the thirty nine hundred political
Speaker 3: subdivisions and they're tens of thousands of lobbyists across the
Speaker 3: state of Ohio are in the dominant position. They have
Speaker 3: the advantage over the taxpayer right now. They don't want
Speaker 3: to change that. At the legislature through the budget was
Speaker 3: going to change some of the rules and the governor
Speaker 3: to wine vetoed some of those changes that would have
Speaker 3: been to the benefit of the property tax payer here
Speaker 3: in the state of Ohio.
Speaker 2: Is the shame.
Speaker 3: That's why we're so happy to see July twenty first
Speaker 3: the House comeback for a veto override session.
Speaker 1: Right and Okay, so on one side, the budget passed
Speaker 1: with the provision, so one would logically think there'll be
Speaker 1: enough votes to override the vetos. So that's one effort
Speaker 1: we need to engage in because, of course, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you need sixty people to do it. Are Democrats against those?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it doesn't matter what political stripe you are.
Speaker 1: Your property tax bill has gone through the roof, So
Speaker 1: if it's going to maybe provide some benefit, it will
Speaker 1: provide benefit to Democrats as well as Republicans.
Speaker 2: Mean, I suppose.
Speaker 1: I was just think the only the only thing that
Speaker 1: I would think who would be arguing against it is
Speaker 1: maybe the teachers unions because somehow it might impact the
Speaker 1: amount of money that the schools get. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: is there any organized effort to oppose the vetos?
Speaker 3: Well, that's what Yeah, You're you're spot on there, Brian.
Speaker 3: The largest outside voices on this issue are teachers, unions
Speaker 3: and the organizations that represent all these political subdivisions, the schools,
Speaker 3: the school board officials, the townships, the villages, the cities,
Speaker 3: all that. But here's the interesting thing. Well, policy can
Speaker 3: be good, we know how this plays out. There's politics
Speaker 3: always at play here. Yeah, and so the Democrat minority
Speaker 3: has while they understand the property tax issue and they
Speaker 3: I think which support should support these issues these items
Speaker 3: because they've been part of those conversations, politics is at play, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Beyond that, we see this play out on the federal level.
Speaker 3: We even got Republicans, Brian who use this as an
Speaker 3: opportunity to'll try to leverage or parlay influence or power
Speaker 3: at the quite frankly, at the cost of the property
Speaker 3: tax payer here in the state of Ohio. And so,
Speaker 3: just like we see on the federal level with Lisa
Speaker 3: Mkowski and others who play games on recisions packages that
Speaker 3: should be slammed dunks for Republicans exactly on spending restraint,
Speaker 3: we've got Republicans in Ohio too who try to play
Speaker 3: those similar games and disrupt an opportunity to really one
Speaker 3: let Governor de Wine know he's wrong in his vetos,
Speaker 3: but two begin to deliver some relief for Ohioans when
Speaker 3: it comes to their property tax bills.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why we get a gut on the phone
Speaker 1: and write letters or otherwise contact our elected officials in Columbus.
Speaker 1: Donald O'Neil, the question still looming large for me out there,
Speaker 1: why in the hell did the wine veto those provisions?
Speaker 1: I meant, his argument for doing it is it needs
Speaker 1: to be studied, and he's put together this focus group
Speaker 1: to study on it. That's what was happening last year.
Speaker 1: That's how they came up with all the various suggestions.
Speaker 1: So I guess three or four of which actually made
Speaker 1: it into the legislation.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it, Donovan. I guess I never will.
Speaker 1: But then again, Mike, the wine has remained a mystery
Speaker 1: to me for a lot of reasons. Donald and Neil,
Speaker 1: Americans for Prosperity. Get over to the website, take one
Speaker 1: small step dot com and fill out the form and
Speaker 1: get on the lists that you can help out as well.
Speaker 1: It's always great having you on, and I applaud the
Speaker 1: work that you and the team at AFP do every week.
Speaker 1: And I look forward to talking with you again next week.
Speaker 2: Donovan Ran always appreciate you string your megaphone with me.
Speaker 2: Have a great week.
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