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True Murder with your host, 35 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:37.480 journalist and author Dan Zupansky. 36 00:01:47.280 --> 00:01:49.359 Good Evening, This is your host Stan Zupaski for the 37 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:52.439 program True Murder, The most Shocking Killers in True crime 38 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.920 History and the authors that have written about them. Fort 39 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:59.519 Worth businessman Stephen Barbie was handsome, popular, and married to 40 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:03.640 a wonderful woman. There was just one problem. His ex girlfriend, 41 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.719 Lisa Underwood, was pregnant asking for money. As guests gathered 42 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.879 for Lisa's baby shower with presents and good wishes, only 43 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:14.360 two things were missing, Lisa and her seven year old son, Jayden. 44 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:18.479 As time passed, friends and family became concerned, but even 45 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:22.560 their worst fears couldn't compare to the gruesome truth. Lisa 46 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:26.000 was at home when Barbie showed up. Voices were raised, 47 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.080 then fists. By the end, Lisa, her unborn child, and 48 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:31.840 young Jaden were dead, but all police found was a 49 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.560 bloody room. What followed was an investigation filled with lurid twists, 50 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:40.520 a wild trial, grisly details of multiple murder, a shocking burial, 51 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:42.919 and the warp motives of a man who would do 52 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:47.120 anything to gain his own happiness. The book is Lethal Charmer, 53 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:51.560 and with my guest journalist and author Patricia Springer, I 54 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.680 want to welcome Patricia to the program and thank her 55 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:59.360 for agreeing to this interview. Good evening, Dan, good evening, Pad. 56 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:00.000 How are you. 57 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:00.800 I'm great. 58 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:05.759 Oh, thanks for joining me on this second encore we've had, 59 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:07.840 or the encore we've had from our interview not so 60 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.319 long ago. So thank you for a green again. It 61 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.479 was going to be It's going to be a great interview. 62 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:17.639 I wanted to ask you what made you decide to 63 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:19.960 write a book about this case? What brought you to 64 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:23.479 this case and inevitably to this book, Lethal Charmer. 65 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.759 Well, this was a very high profile case in Fort Worth, Texas. 66 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:31.400 I lived just north of Fort Worth myself. It was 67 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:34.360 a brutal murder and it garnered a lot of attention 68 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.319 in this area, mostly because it involved not only a 69 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.120 woman but her seven year old son and her unworn 70 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:45.800 child in Texas the death of the fetus? 71 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:59.319 Hello, yes, Dan, Oh, sorry you cut off there for 72 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.360 a moment, so I'm sorry talking about the death of 73 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:03.159 a fetus law. 74 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:09.800 Yes, yes, it also brings a capital murder charge right now, 75 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.319 that they didn't choose to do that because it was 76 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.480 a double homicide and so forth, kidnapping and so forth, 77 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.120 but it would have been they could have filed just 78 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.639 because it was an unborn fetus that was did. 79 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:26.720 Right now, How big is Forworth, Texas? Just for people 80 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.839 that don't know, how closest to any other big city 81 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:33.120 that we might all know in Texas? Where is it 82 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:34.519 situated in Texas? 83 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:38.519 It's about thirty It's in North Texas and it's thirty 84 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:43.639 miles west of Dallas. I'm sorry. It's the seventeenth largest 85 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:46.879 city in the nation with about seven hundred thousand residents. 86 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:49.920 There's about a million people in Tiran County, which is 87 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:54.439 where for Worth is. It's the number one tourist attraction 88 00:04:54.800 --> 00:05:00.639 in Texas because it's known as Cowtown. They are quite proud, 89 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.519 as they should be, of their Western history and their 90 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:07.040 ristered heritage, and they play on that a lot. 91 00:05:07.879 --> 00:05:11.000 Right now. One of the main subjects of your book, 92 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:15.040 Lethal Charmer is a woman named Lisa Underwood. Now, who 93 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:18.360 is Lisa Underwood? What was her character like? Did she 94 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:21.680 have children? Tell us about her. 95 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.959 Lisa was a thirty four year old single mother and 96 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.639 she was the co owner of Bupa's bagel shop. Bupa's 97 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.519 was a nickname of Jade and her son, and so 98 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.959 that's what they named the bagel shop. She and her 99 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:42.480 business partner and best friend, Holly. Lisa was very close 100 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.519 to her mother and her son was the joy of 101 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.439 her life. She was very proud of him. She loved 102 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:54.439 being a mom. She was thrilled about being president pregnant again, 103 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.120 and she was very excited that it was going to 104 00:05:57.120 --> 00:06:01.759 be a little girl. Lisa was fun, loving, honest, hardworking. 105 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:05.639 She just happened to fall in love with the wrong man. Right. 106 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:10.279 Was there any history and on her part that she 107 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:14.000 have sort of a checkered past? What was her You said, 108 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:15.879 this is a very high profile case, so I imagine 109 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:21.079 that this sometimes the more high profile means sometimes the 110 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.639 victim is a little more sympathetic. Tell us what kind 111 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.199 of past Lisa had? You said she picked the wrong person, 112 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.319 But what was her character like? And obviously that led 113 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.560 to a little bit more attention by the media. 114 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.759 Well, she I think that the attention from the media 115 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:39.839 came more from the fact that her seven year old 116 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.879 son was also murdered and the fact that she was pregnant. 117 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:48.639 Lisa was just a hard working woman and she had Jaden. 118 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:53.399 She was not married, but she wasn't the kind of 119 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.040 person that people would consider to be bad. There have 120 00:06:56.120 --> 00:07:03.040 been some blogging interviewing all of her friends and her 121 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:06.120 family is that she was a good person and that 122 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:09.720 she just idolized Jaden and was a very good mother. 123 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:15.680 Right now, the other main subject in your book is 124 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:18.759 Stephen Barbie and what was his early family life like 125 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:21.079 before we get to how they met. 126 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:24.319 So sure, Stephen grew up in a middle class family 127 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:28.199 in Asle, Texas that's just north of Fort Worth. His 128 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:31.439 mom worked at the school where he went, and his 129 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:37.680 dad worked for Bell Helicopter. Bell Helicopter Bill's Defense Aircraft 130 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:41.399 and he worked there until he retired. His death's name 131 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.000 was Bill. His mother's name is Jackie. Stephen was the 132 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:48.839 youngest of three kids, and in his early years he 133 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:52.279 was known as the class plan. He was very popular, 134 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:58.199 He was athletic, he was well liked. Then, when he 135 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.879 was about twelve years old to be a little older, 136 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:04.839 his sister died and she was twenty at the time. 137 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:10.240 She died from a rare infection that she had gotten 138 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:13.800 in the hospital. And then his brother died in a 139 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:18.079 one car automobile accident when he was twenty and at 140 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.720 that time Stephen changed. He believed that he would never 141 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.639 live to see twenty one, and he began living a 142 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.319 rather wildlife, taking chances. He got into some trouble with 143 00:08:31.439 --> 00:08:35.440 criminal mischief, he dropped out of sports, he wasn't doing 144 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.279 well in school, just convinced that he had to live 145 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:42.840 life to the fullest through his twenties because he would 146 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:47.440 never see twenty one. He never got into any real trouble, 147 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.120 just minor scrapes, and his mother got him out of 148 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.159 most of those. His parents finally sent him to a 149 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.879 Christian school, hoping that that would settle him down, and 150 00:08:57.960 --> 00:08:59.840 he went there for a while, and then he decided 151 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.200 that he wanted to go back to public school and 152 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:07.080 play sports. He liked football baseball. When he went back 153 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:10.559 to the public school, they wouldn't accept his transfer credits 154 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:14.279 from the Christian school, and so he became very frustrated 155 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:17.240 and he dropped out. He never did get a high 156 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:20.399 school diploma, although he did get a GED which is 157 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.720 a high school equivalency certificate. But he just kind of 158 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:28.559 after his siblings died, just kind of went down a 159 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:34.840 path of unconcerned about himself and really anything about life. 160 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:37.759 He lost the zest for life that he had once had. 161 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:41.519 What was his relationship with his parents. I know they 162 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:44.120 were devastated by the loss of their children as well, 163 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.320 but what was the relationship seen Stephen and his parents 164 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:48.159 around that time. 165 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.600 Well, he really grew very close to his parents at 166 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.399 that time. Even though he was getting into some minor scrapes, 167 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.799 he still remained close and he and his mother actually 168 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.799 developed a very strong bond. This was her last child 169 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.799 and she would do anything for him, give him anything 170 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:08.919 he wanted. We got us at what sacrifice it was 171 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:13.000 to she and her husband. They really doated on Stephen 172 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.279 a lot because he was the only child left and 173 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.919 he truly loved them. But again, had a really close 174 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:21.480 bond with his mother in particular. 175 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:25.480 Was there alcohol and drugs involved in this wild time 176 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:29.399 and this taking chances period that you spoke of, not. 177 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:33.679 Much, I mean, you know, dabbling but not really. He 178 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.600 didn't become a drug addict or an alcoholic. I'm sure 179 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:40.279 that he did drink, I know that, but it was 180 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:45.200 just mostly you know, driving fast, and he got into 181 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:48.279 some mischief at school. They broke in and did some 182 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:52.919 graffiti damage and that kind of thing. Kids stouted mostly, And. 183 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:57.320 He never had any psychiatric evaluation of any extent, to 184 00:10:57.320 --> 00:11:01.720 any great extent, no, not that we're aware of. Okay, 185 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.879 now he's a married man at this at some point 186 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:10.240 in your story. Maybe I'm going a little bit ahead here, 187 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:15.000 but oh, actually I want to ask you. All we 188 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.360 got really is to maybe in his early twenties. I 189 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.279 want to ask you about is how about his adult life, say, 190 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.799 a few years later? What happened? You say he would 191 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.480 He did have much zest for life, and he and 192 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:31.679 had this notion that he wouldn't live till he was 193 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.240 thirty years old anyway, So what did he do as 194 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:34.840 time went on? 195 00:11:35.440 --> 00:11:40.159 Well, his mother really tried to keep him pumped up emotionally, 196 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:46.000 and so when he was with the day turned twenty, 197 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:49.200 his mother told him that she had saved money for 198 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:53.279 him and that he could buy a boat. And he 199 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:55.960 bought the boat and he would go out on the 200 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.519 lakes and go fishing and water skiing and so forth. 201 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.080 And he had started a business when he was a teenager, 202 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.279 a lawn care business. First he started with the neighbors 203 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:08.639 during their lawn and so forth. And he built this 204 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:13.120 business up to where he called it four seasons, and 205 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.559 it was really quite successful, and in the end he 206 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.840 even got state contracts with the state of Texas to 207 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:25.039 trim trees along the highway. So he was really a 208 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:29.200 very successful businessman in the Inn. For just a few years, 209 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:32.519 he was a reserve officer with the Blue moun Police Department. 210 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.720 Again that's just north of Fort Worth, and although he 211 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.399 was just a reserve officer, he spent about twenty hours 212 00:12:39.399 --> 00:12:43.360 a month, probably patrolling and so forth. He had always 213 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:47.600 wanted to be a police officer, but his business grew 214 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:51.720 so much that he finally dropped that and just concentrated 215 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:56.480 on the lawn business and the tree trimming business. He 216 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:01.399 drove a corvette. He dated multiple women. He was good looking, 217 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.080 fun loving, he spent money on them. He always had 218 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.559 a girl on his arm. He married his first wife, Teresa, 219 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:13.559 and they were married for about seven years, but that 220 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.279 became a very volatile relationship with accusations of verbal and 221 00:13:18.399 --> 00:13:23.360 physical abuse on both sides. So he was married for 222 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:25.039 a period of time. 223 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:34.080 Did he have any actual charges, any substantive actual charges 224 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:37.279 of assault against I know lots of times both people charged. 225 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.120 But in your whatever you could determine from it, was 226 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.759 there any physical abuse that might have happened with his 227 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:43.639 first wife, Teresa? 228 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:51.399 Teresa listed several in court, several incidents. One he pushed 229 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:53.759 her against the wall and a candle fell on her 230 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:59.200 head and she was knocked unconscious. He wouldn't take her 231 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:03.000 to the hospital. He drove herself, that kind of thing. 232 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:08.600 But as far as actual police involvement, they were called, 233 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.960 but he was never arrested and formally charged with any 234 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:13.240 kind of domestic violence. 235 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.879 Okay, so we can say it wasn't too serious, not 236 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:19.679 to downplay anything, but no, too serious anyway. 237 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.279 No, it was more of a he said, she said, 238 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:26.240 And really it got down to people didn't know who 239 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:27.360 started it and who. 240 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:32.080 Did it right right now, did he have children with Teresa? 241 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:36.000 No, they never had children. Now, they taught Sunday school. 242 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:40.200 They took a program that had about ten kids in 243 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:43.440 it and built it up to dozens of children that 244 00:14:43.480 --> 00:14:47.120 were in their Sunday school class. Steven loved puppetry and 245 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:50.000 he would put on puppet shows for the kids. They 246 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:53.320 based their they had their own curriculum that they taught 247 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:56.200 them and so forth. So he loved kids. He was 248 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:58.399 just a big kid inself. He'd liked to have fun, 249 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:03.080 but as far as children, he and Teresa never had any. 250 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:11.320 Now, when did Stephen Barbie meet Lisa Underwood? And when 251 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:15.200 does you say? He's married to Teresa? So that marriage ended, 252 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.440 and so to give us the chronological order of what happens, 253 00:15:19.480 --> 00:15:22.720 when does Lisa meet Stephen Barbie? Does? He does give 254 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:24.000 us the order of events here. 255 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:29.720 Actually, Lisa had met Teresa first because Teresa would come 256 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:32.960 into the bagel shop and get breakfast for their workers 257 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:36.039 that worked for them and take it back to the 258 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:41.600 shop to them. 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And who 278 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:44.960 did he marry the second time? 279 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.320 He had dated Lisa for about a year on and 280 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:53.159 off year and a half, and then one day he 281 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:57.519 was in Fort Worth and he noticed this gal standing 282 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.200 on the street that he knew he had known and 283 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.919 her husband, and he stopped and said hello to her, 284 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:06.640 found out she had been divorced, and asked her out. 285 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:11.119 And he always thought that Trish was just beautiful and 286 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.519 she had two children that he was crazy about, And 287 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:19.960 so he started dating Trish and quit dating Lisa, Lisa 288 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:24.079 found out that she was pregnant and continued to seek 289 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:30.279 out Stephen and wanted to talk with him and be 290 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.799 with him. And he told her that he wanted to 291 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:39.559 have a child with Trish, and Lisa said, well, we're 292 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:44.480 having a child. But Stephen was just quiet enamored with Trish, 293 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:50.119 and very shortly after they started dating, they got married. 294 00:17:52.079 --> 00:17:56.319 And so what did Stephen finally say to Lisa under 295 00:17:56.359 --> 00:17:58.240 what he was interested in Trish? He's going to have 296 00:17:58.279 --> 00:18:01.359 a child with Trish, he did he what did they 297 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:06.000 actually decide or what did he actually say about the child? 298 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:07.000 About the pregnancy. 299 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.440 Well, when she first told him, he says he wanted 300 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.039 a DNA test, and she told him that she was 301 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.640 certain that it was his, and he said, well, you know, okay. 302 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:22.440 And she wanted him to go to doctor appointments and 303 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:26.440 he wouldn't. And she wanted him to be involved and 304 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:30.960 he wouldn't because he was concentrating on his marriage. He 305 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:35.440 married Trisha about two months before the murders actually, and 306 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.759 at the time of Lisa's death, she was seven and 307 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:43.920 a half months pregnant. Lisa wanted at the end, she 308 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.759 just wanted his name on the birth certificate says the 309 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:50.960 child would have a name, and she wanted insurance for 310 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:54.480 the child, and he did not want to do that, 311 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.640 particularly put his name on the birth certificate, because then 312 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:01.799 Trisha had a great her chance of finding out. And 313 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:07.440 he was trying to keep this pregnancy from Trish. 314 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:09.759 Why did so He felt that if he told Trish 315 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:13.319 and that would affect his relationships. So because of that, 316 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:17.759 he you know, Lisa Underwood becomes a problem, right. 317 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:25.599 Actually, he didn't see Lisa a whole lot more after 318 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:30.240 he started seeing Trish, but in his mind there was 319 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:35.880 an overlap there and she would mistake that as having 320 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:41.079 you know, him gone out on her, jilted her, and 321 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.000 so he didn't want her to know anything about Lisa. 322 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:49.160 He was so afraid of losing Trish. He was quite 323 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.599 in love with Trish and her children. 324 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:58.279 Right now. Lisa Underwood has planned to attend a baby 325 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:02.039 shower on her behalf organized by the family on February eighteen, 326 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.119 two thousand and five. What happens at the baby shower? 327 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:10.559 Lisa didn't show up. It was raining very heavily that day, 328 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.720 and they had saved a parking place right in front 329 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:18.880 of Bupa's for Lisa, and they kept looking out the window. 330 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:23.119 The shower was supposed to start at four o'clock and 331 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:25.559 they had told her to be there about five minutes 332 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:28.359 till and all the friends and family were there with 333 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.279 their gifts and the decorations and so forth, and Lisa 334 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:36.440 didn't show up, and at by four fifteen, her mother, Sheila, 335 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.200 was certain that something was wrong because it was just 336 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:45.000 not like Lisa to be late. And she was so 337 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:47.920 excited about this shower because she never had a baby 338 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.400 shower when she had Jaden, and this was a little girl, 339 00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:55.039 and she was excited about all the little peak things 340 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:59.200 that she was going to be getting. So particularly Sheila 341 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.799 and Holly, her business partner, were very concerned by four 342 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:04.680 p fifteen that she wasn't at the shower. 343 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.640 Now, what did they do at that time? Did did 344 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:12.279 Lisa have a cell phone? How did they respond? At fourth? 345 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:14.839 They called her several times on her cell phone and 346 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:18.279 it always went to voicemail. They never could get her. 347 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:22.319 And finally Sheila just said, I'm going to the house. 348 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:26.480 I've got to check, and so she went with her 349 00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:31.839 sister over to Lisa's house. Sheila had a key, She 350 00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:36.039 went inside, she looked around. Things didn't look quite right, 351 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.799 and she became more concerned. It wasn't an obvious crime 352 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.799 scene to her, but she knew things weren't right, and 353 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:49.680 so she went back to the bagel shop and they 354 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:52.319 called nine to one one and reported to the police 355 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:57.079 that she was missing. While she was gone and checking 356 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:01.480 on Lisa, Holly was calling all of the area hospitals 357 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:04.680 to make sure that nothing had happened. Because she was 358 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:06.960 seven and a half months pregnant. They thought, oh, well, 359 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.880 perhaps she had gotten it if she'd been ill all 360 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:13.880 week with a cold, so had Jaden and she had 361 00:22:13.920 --> 00:22:17.119 become more ill, or that something had occurred that she 362 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.319 had to go to the hospital. So they were checking 363 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:23.240 all of the area hospitals, but it didn't turn out 364 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:25.160 that she was at any of them. 365 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.279 That's a logical choice. Now, when you say that something 366 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:31.519 was amiss at the house, the mother didn't Shela didn't 367 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:34.400 go her mother didn't go inside. What did she do 368 00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:37.640 that and what seemed to be different? 369 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:41.119 Well, the first thing was that the dog was outside, 370 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.079 and the dog was never outside, he was an indoor puppy. 371 00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:47.000 And when she walked up to the front door, the 372 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.319 first thing she said is what are you doing here? 373 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:53.240 Just the dog, you know, because he was not supposed 374 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:58.119 to be outside, particularly if they were gone. And so 375 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:04.319 she looked inside, and she didn't go all the way in. 376 00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:07.759 She just sort of did a cursory look and then 377 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.440 decided that there was something wrong and she called one 378 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:12.559 one one. 379 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:16.559 Now, how long it had been her friend Holly. We'll 380 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:19.640 talk about her, Hollypolls. But how long had it been 381 00:23:20.640 --> 00:23:25.920 since anyone had spoken to to Lisa? Got the Colley had. 382 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:28.960 Talked to her not that day. Holly had talked to 383 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:34.119 her at seven forty five. The night before. Lisa had 384 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.480 kept secret the name of the baby. She didn't want 385 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:41.759 to tell them until she was ready that she was 386 00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:46.400 going to name the child Marlee. And so she Holly 387 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.839 was at a party store getting napkins and plates and 388 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:54.039 everything for the shower, and she called Lisa and said, well, 389 00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:56.640 if you'll just give me the first initial of the baby, 390 00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:01.319 then I can get initial plates. And Lisa laugh been said, oh, good, try, 391 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:06.039 but that's not happening. So that was at seven forty five. 392 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.240 Holly had been calling her all day and checking on 393 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.839 her because she had been sick. She and Jaden had 394 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.680 been sick and at seven forty five, Lisa told her 395 00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:17.039 that she was feeling a little better and that she 396 00:24:17.200 --> 00:24:19.680 was looking forward to the party the next afternoon at four. 397 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:24.319 Okay, so now she doesn't show up for the shower. 398 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:28.920 People eventually, I guess, realized that something has gone wrong. 399 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:31.200 They've called all the hospitals. What happens next, you say, 400 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.039 they've called nine one one. What happens between the police 401 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:41.400