WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:10.599 You see something's going to happen. What's going to happen? 2 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:12.560 Help? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:28.199 What I you? Welcome back to the Occult Rejects Today 4 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.920 we're joined by Marianna and Christina, the hosts of Sora Mystica, 5 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:35.560 a podcast that describes itself as a podcast exploring modern 6 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.759 spirituality through the eyes of the mystic sister. Their show 7 00:00:39.799 --> 00:00:45.000 brings together astrology, caro dreams, myth depth, psychology, art, literature, 8 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:47.719 and the occult in a way that feels both scholarly 9 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.719 and intimate. On their public site, they described the show 10 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.359 as a series of insightful, imaginative conversations meant to help 11 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:57.200 listeners explore the rich symbolism of the world around them. 12 00:00:57.600 --> 00:00:59.600 I truly do think, and I really do mean this, 13 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.520 that if I really do like this show, I really 14 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:04.920 do think you'll like this, so I highly suggest to 15 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:08.519 check it out. Marianna Lewis presents herself publicly as an 16 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:14.000 archetypal Taoist, terrorist, terrorists, psycho, spiritual educator, and sacred feminist 17 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:17.079 with over a decade of scholarship in depth psychology, A 18 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:21.560 Coult philosophy, and archetypal theory. Christina Ferrella describes herself as 19 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.640 a counseling astrologer, astrology educator, an author whose work blends 20 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:30.560 astrology with mythology, art history, and literature. Together, sore Mistica 21 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.480 has become a space for conversations on symbols like alchemy, 22 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:38.640 the Great Mother, the Collective, Unconscious Reversals, retrogrades, dream language, 23 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:41.760 and magic itself. Now, before I introduce the rest of 24 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:44.159 the panel and the guests, I do have a few announcements. 25 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.760 On Saturday, April twenty fifth, the Southern the Southeastern Masonic 26 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:54.200 Supposium is happening at Asheville Masonic Temple at eighty Broad 27 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.519 Street Broadway Street in Ashville, North Carolina, and I will 28 00:01:57.560 --> 00:01:59.519 be there in person, So come down meet me and 29 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:01.640 the rest of the true and who will be speaking there. 30 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:04.920 We got John Michael Greer he will be speaking, he 31 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.439 is the keynote speaker. Then we got my boy who's 32 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.439 been on the show before and he's coming on more 33 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:13.680 Cown Concrete from American Eastoteric. He will be there as well. 34 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.159 And my boy Ike Baker, He's going to be speaking 35 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:21.560 along with Tom Carter. So we got four speakers that day. 36 00:02:21.560 --> 00:02:23.759 If you can make it, come on down, check me out. 37 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.120 I'll smoke on with you all right. Also want to 38 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.639 remind people about the website if you're into reading. We 39 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:32.439 have tons of information and multiple contributors, and we finally 40 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:34.879 got t shirts. T shirts up on the site if 41 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.599 you're interested and fun fact, the art is all based 42 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.360 on the eyeball. So now let me introduce the rest 43 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:45.400 of the panel and the guests. All right, Kaiva, what 44 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.360 is going on? Kaiva? How are you? Please? Let everybody 45 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:47.879 know who you are. 46 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.639 Thank hey, thanks for having me on. 47 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:52.840 My name is Kaiva Rose and I practiced tarot and 48 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:56.400 astrology and you can find me on Instagram and Facebook 49 00:02:56.439 --> 00:02:59.560 and YouTube. I do weekly astrology videos and I post 50 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.159 some daily as well. If you like a reading, you 51 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.960 can contact me at eleven Kaiba Rose three dot com 52 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:05.439 as well. 53 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:06.919 I look forward to chanting with you all. 54 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:10.199 Oh, thank you. I really appreciate you coming on and 55 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:13.120 brand my man maggize in the media. What is going on, Sir. 56 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.479 Sah Nick, Thank you for having me as always, love 57 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:20.680 the show, love the place, love everything we do here. 58 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.599 We are the occult rejects of the rejects. We are 59 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:26.439 the heretics of all sorts. Everyone head over to Magus 60 00:03:26.520 --> 00:03:29.280 in the Media, where we break down myth, magic and 61 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.599 meaning in the stories that we all love. Do the thing. 62 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.719 I'm on X trying to take down all the craziness 63 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.879 on both extremes as well as my Instagram where all 64 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.199 the clips are put up there. We're doing it, and 65 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:43.560 we're doing it together. In this asia chaos, there's only 66 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:47.479 one way out, and that's to become a magician, warrior, king, lover, queen, 67 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:50.479 whoever you are, and let's do it together. I'm excited 68 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.919 to be a part of this panel here today. Hello 69 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:55.479 both of you. Nice to meet you. 70 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.039 Thank you very much, Brandon. I always love your introductions. 71 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.439 Since we've had Marianna on before, I think we'll saw 72 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.240 with Christina. Christina, please, if there was anything that I 73 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:06.960 left out or anything you like to promote, please just 74 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.680 introduce yourself and let people know what's up. 75 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:13.199 Oh sure, Hi, very grateful to be here with you 76 00:04:13.280 --> 00:04:16.839 all and happy to see my friend Marianna on the screen. 77 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:18.680 Yeah. 78 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.800 I'm an astrologer. I am actually a first time soon 79 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.680 to be first time author. I just wrote a book 80 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.399 called Divination for Dummies, like for the Dummies series and 81 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:33.240 it is coming out April twenty eighth, and so if 82 00:04:33.279 --> 00:04:36.720 anybody is curious about a kind of really good primer 83 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:41.399 on all things divinatory, meaning like intros into things like 84 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:46.040 tarot and astrology, but also working with pendulums, scrying, dream interpretation, 85 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:52.600 the e ching, casting charms, working with lots all of 86 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.360 these different topics, palmistry. Everything is in there, everything that 87 00:04:56.399 --> 00:05:00.639 like my teenage witchcraft self would have really enjoyed having 88 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:04.120 in one book. Yeah, So that comes out, yeah, quite 89 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.560 soon at the end of April. I also teach classes 90 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:12.759 on an ongoing basis in astrology and also around the 91 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:16.399 topics of myth and ritual. And my next class that's 92 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.639 going to be starting also in late April, is called 93 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.600 the School of Astrological Arcana. It's kind of like my 94 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.399 I call it my big class. It's like the top 95 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.560 to bottom everything you want to having your toolkit if 96 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:32.959 you are a budding astrologer. So that is starting really 97 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:36.040 soon April twenty ninth. So you can find all the 98 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:39.040 info about that on my website, which is Christinaferrella dot com. 99 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:40.480 And I think that's it for now. 100 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:42.879 That's a wow. You're a very busy woman. You got 101 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.319 a lot going on, especially in April. 102 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:47.439 Yeah, I don't know what's going on. With my Stars 103 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.120 in April. But I'm clearly having some transits. 104 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:52.680 So if you don't mind me asking who you do 105 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:53.839 publish the book. 106 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:57.399 With, It's Wiley. That's the company that publishes all of 107 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:01.439 those dummies books. Yeah, yep. There. They seem to have 108 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:05.319 like a cool acquisitions editor on board because they're branching 109 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:08.720 out into other more occult territories. So I know that 110 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:11.959 I've seen, you know, like a kind of herb craft 111 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:15.560 book for dummies out recently by someone who I know 112 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.199 on the internet. There's folk witch craft for Dummies book 113 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.920 that just came out, So I know that they're just 114 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.839 kind of it seems like they're yeah, just getting into 115 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:27.079 this world. 116 00:06:27.199 --> 00:06:30.279 Yeah. Interesting, if you want, we'll have to get you 117 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:31.959 on if you want, we can promote this book that's 118 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.120 coming out in the futures. Yeah, I know. I think 119 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:35.759 that is also just the amount of stuff you mentioned. 120 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.040 I was like, wow, there's a lot in there. All right, good, 121 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.160 good for you, Christina. That's also making it happen all right, 122 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.439 doing Mariatta, that's uh, what's up with you? What's new 123 00:06:44.439 --> 00:06:45.199 with you since the last. 124 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.680 Time your own Oh well, my book came out. 125 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:49.439 That's true. 126 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:52.079 So that's really exciting, Tara, And the Psychology of the 127 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:57.040 Soul is out and it has good reviews coming in. 128 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.959 Yes, I've noticed that myself on social media. I've seen 129 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:02.600 between you and and Cherry Cherry that we had on 130 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:04.399 both of you is a lot of people are raving 131 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:05.120 about your books. 132 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.439 Yeah, it's really it's just wild. I mean, it's liked. 133 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:10.199 Good for you actually read this? What are you talking about? 134 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:12.040 Why would you do? How would you read that? 135 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:14.120 I don't want to read my own stuff. 136 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:19.680 Is so strange. But that is out. And then also, 137 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.279 like Christine, I'm teaching a big class in April. We 138 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.680 always do that somehow, we like like to each other 139 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:27.639 to each other all the time, We're like, oh, I'm 140 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.519 doing this, are you doing that? And then always is overlapping. 141 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:32.879 I think it's like a spring seasonal thing. It's just 142 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:33.759 like new energy. 143 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:36.199 Yeah, yeah, it's And it's been such a miserable winter 144 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:38.720 here on the East Coast, so I think everybody's looking 145 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:41.920 for something fun to do. So I have my Archetypal 146 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:44.240 Terror School, which is like my big program that I teach, 147 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.000 coming out April nineteenth. So I'm in the middle of 148 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.959 launching that and telling people about that, and so that's 149 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.079 that's what's happening for me. 150 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.800 Awesome, good for you for you. Yeah, I don't know 151 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.800 which one of you is wanting answer this, but I 152 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.040 did kind of have it in the intro and I 153 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:04.560 took it out, so I thought it'd be interesting to 154 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:06.319 hear it from your side. How did you two meet? 155 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:12.720 We went to grad school together, so yeah, so we 156 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:14.240 were both kind of like, I don't know what to 157 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:15.879 do with my life. So we went to grad school, 158 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:17.600 which is what you do when you don't want you 159 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:18.519 know what to do with your life. 160 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:20.879 I guess, Yeah, when you're having a mental breakdown because 161 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:22.920 you hate everything you've decided to do, you go to 162 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:23.519 grad school. 163 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.759 Yeah, and we were both studying like Western intellectual traditions 164 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.680 and like all this kind of weird out there stuff. 165 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.759 We actually were taking a class together called Dreaming in 166 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:39.399 the Middle Ages. So we met in this class and 167 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.399 she did presentation of the fool card in the Tarot, 168 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.519 and I got very jealous because she was smart and 169 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:47.039 knew more about the taro than I did, so I 170 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.320 was I was learning about the taro. And then we 171 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:51.639 got a drink at some point and we're like, oh, no, 172 00:08:51.759 --> 00:08:53.120 actually we're friends. 173 00:08:53.159 --> 00:08:55.399 And so then I didn't say oh no, I said, 174 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:56.879 oh wow, yeah, But. 175 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:58.200 I know. 176 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:01.559 She ended up liking you. 177 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.279 I know what happens to people that I'm like, I'm 178 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:06.799 not gonna like you a lot. 179 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.320 That's awesome though, Yeah, that's what I had. That you 180 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:12.080 guys met in a class together. That's pretty cool. That's 181 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:17.600 pretty cool. That's awesome. So I guess you both kind 182 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.919 of also came from different you both come from different 183 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.440 but related disciplines kind of tarot astrology. But now you 184 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.679 know where do your approaches naturally overlap and where do 185 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:29.360 you think you both challenge each other? 186 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.919 Yeah, I can answer that, I think, or I can 187 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:34.919 This is my version of the answer. I think that 188 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:39.159 we both really, I really think it's important to have 189 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:46.159 an archetypal perspective in our readings. And I don't think 190 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.759 that we're totally unique in that, but I do think 191 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:52.679 that there are a lot of astrologers and terror readers 192 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:58.679 who use those tools as maybe something a little bit 193 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:01.960 more of like a quick fit of insight of information. 194 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.759 And I think that what Mariann and I, you know, 195 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:11.200 try to do, is like find the archetypal through line 196 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:15.000 or archetypal thread, whether you're working with the symbols of 197 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.600 the taro or the symbols of the needle chart. And 198 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:21.559 for me as an astrologer, I really really love and 199 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:27.600 rely on the language of mythology and just mystic symbolism 200 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.240 in general, and I bring that into my sessions. And 201 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.120 so when Marianne and I were kind of cultivating our 202 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:37.120 practices and talking about what's important and what inspires us 203 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:42.000 as readers, it's like finding that story for people, or 204 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:45.440 finding that symbol or finding that like you know, dream 205 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:48.600 memory for a client or a friend or whoever you're 206 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:52.039 reading for. And you know, I think that that's like 207 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:57.519 our most obvious place of overlap, right, Does that make 208 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:57.960 sense Rin? 209 00:10:58.159 --> 00:10:58.320 Yeah? 210 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.360 Yeah, absolutely. I think that we have the same perspective 211 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:05.360 of like there's mystery and there's magic, and there's enchantment 212 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.000 in life that goes beyond just like oh this means this, 213 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:11.120 and there's this list of things that mean other things, 214 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:14.120 especially when we're working in these divinatory practices like astrology 215 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.399 and taro, and so we're always looking for the deeper thing. 216 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.200 I think where we diverge, which is really cool. As 217 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:23.000 Christina said, she's has such a huge well of knowledge 218 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:28.440 about mythology, and I dabble a little, I don't know 219 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.440 nearly as much as she does. And I have such 220 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:34.120 a strong background in like union psychology and depth psychology, 221 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:35.840 which she also dabbles in a little bit, but just 222 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:37.879 doesn't necessarily drop from that as much as I do. 223 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:41.320 So as she also has like a really rich background 224 00:11:41.360 --> 00:11:45.559 in like art history and you know, just like culture 225 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:49.480 in general, whereas I tend to like pretend I'm living 226 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:55.399 in the Middle Ages, I don't know as much. So 227 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:57.759 we have these really cool ways that we have the 228 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.639 same like general focus, but off from really different kind 229 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.240 of places of interest. 230 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:07.480 I think our values are quite similar, and then we 231 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:10.519 have different like yeah, we like go off in slightly 232 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.159 different directions, but what's at the center of our practices 233 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:14.320 is very similar. 234 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:16.879 Yeah, well, I also do definitely see. I think between 235 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.279 both of you is how you're not just on the 236 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.039 scratch the surface, like you were saying. You take this 237 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:22.639 stuff a little bit deeper and I think look into 238 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:25.279 it a little bit more, which is I think is huge, 239 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:29.320 which is why I suggest the show. Did any of 240 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.240 you guys have a Kaiva a brand? Did any of 241 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.039 yous have any questions before I keep going. 242 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.000 Yeah, do you practice so like, do you practice psychological 243 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:39.720 astrology then or do you get more into the traditional 244 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:42.559 sense your backgrounds more in psychology? And then do have 245 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.519 you read Ariel Gutman's book, then Christina the. 246 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:51.639 Venus star Point book, No, Mythic Astrology. Yeah, I'm looking 247 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:53.480 at it on my shelf right now, so, yes, I have. 248 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:55.919 That's one of my Yeah, that's one of my favorite books. 249 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:56.759 Yes. 250 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.399 Wait is that this green though, or is that Aril Gutman? Anyway, 251 00:13:02.440 --> 00:13:07.159 I'm looking at mythic astrology over there. It doesn't matter good. 252 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:09.320 I think it's got a good question. Maybe it is 253 00:13:09.600 --> 00:13:11.960 screen it might be okay. 254 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:14.759 Yeah, yeah, I'm not wearing my glasses. I love Ariol 255 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:17.559 Gutman though, she's really cool. I love her her being 256 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:23.039 as star points stuff. So hi, fellow fellow astrologer. I'm 257 00:13:23.840 --> 00:13:26.759 I think I'm I'm a bit eclectic. So I really 258 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:32.200 love psychological and psychoanalytic perspectives because I just can't help myself. 259 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:36.039 But I'm also kind of like working within a Hellenistic framework. 260 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:39.200 I use whole sign house system when I read for people. 261 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:42.240 I do care about planetary dignity, but like not to 262 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.639 like a very rigid extent. I use the rules of 263 00:13:45.679 --> 00:13:50.000 the Hellenistic astrological world to kind of frame out my 264 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:53.039 practice and then I like jump off from there. I 265 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.240 would say, so, yeah, I don't know, I have a 266 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.360 lot of mercury in my chart, so I kind of 267 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:02.720 cobble things together. Does that make sense? 268 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:05.840 Yeah for sure? Yeah, definitely. 269 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:06.440 Yeah. 270 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:10.279 I love traditional astrology. I have Jupiter in Taurus on 271 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:14.559 my MC so it's like tradition is very much and 272 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:17.080 I'm a rising so yeah, I'm a Leo rising. So 273 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:21.120 I love traditional, but the psychological is definitely beneficial for sure. 274 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.639 Yeah, it's great to blend both. I mean, the traditional 275 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:27.840 astrology stuff just didn't really have a lot of space 276 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:31.120 in it for psychological perspectives because people were trying to 277 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.559 figure out when to like farm or like coronate a 278 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.679 king or go to battle or whatever with those astrological techniques. 279 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:40.360 So I think that we live in a really cool, 280 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.360 rich time where we get to cross pollinate the old 281 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:48.240 traditions with these newer perspectives. And I don't know, it's 282 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.159 kind of like a little astrological renaissance that we're kind 283 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:51.960 of living in right now. 284 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:55.519 I think it's interesting that you say that you think 285 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.919 we might be going through like another modern renaissance at 286 00:14:57.919 --> 00:14:58.519 this point. 287 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:04.720 In terms of the way I would define that or 288 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:07.600 the way I would maybe qualify that as like, there's 289 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.159 so much great research being done in the field of 290 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:14.200 astrology right now. We have a really awesome group of 291 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:19.799 like scholarly people doing amazing looking back, translating texts, bringing 292 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:23.440 it into the you know, the present moment, recovering techniques 293 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:27.919 from thousands of years ago and experimenting with them, and 294 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.279 you know, like the folks at the Astrology podcast are 295 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.399 kind of like in the public leading edge of that, 296 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:38.799 I would say, and it feels very much like a 297 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.120 cool time to be an astrologer. I don't know if 298 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.799 it's a renaissance time for the world right now, but 299 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:47.320 I think that it is for the occult arts a 300 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:48.360 very interesting moment. 301 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:51.480 Yeah, it's same thing with Tara. I would say, like 302 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.919 Tara was was born in the Renaissance essentially, and it's 303 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:58.559 been around, but really only it's twenty first century, end 304 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.320 of the twentieth century that it's like boomed back into 305 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:06.399 like contemporary consciousness. So definitely we're definitely having some kind 306 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:10.240 of a magical like resurgence Renaissance thing going on. 307 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:14.159 No, definitely, I think something. I mean, especially even with 308 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.600 the way we all connect now, Like I was even 309 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:19.279 thinking about the thing that I was on this morning, 310 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.159 I was like, all these people are able to connect 311 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.919 when they were so far away from each other other countries. 312 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:25.840 You know, if you look at back in the Renaissance, 313 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.600 how many occultists just went to Germany to go, like 314 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.279 meet other occultists, talk to other people. Now we just 315 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:33.039 do it on the computer. Yeah, you know, so it's 316 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:35.000 interesting times for sure, for sure, I think. 317 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.360 Yeah, especially with astrology, we have the technology to make 318 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:43.000 charts right, so our job is a lot faster, you know, 319 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.360 like we can we can choose to hand draw charts, 320 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:47.679 but it's nice to have a program that does it 321 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.480 for you so you can do all the technical work 322 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.720 of you know, prediction and everything like that. 323 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:53.960 So it's interesting. 324 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:57.080 I'm really bad at math, so I'm really happy that 325 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:58.679 I don't have to hand draw my charts. 326 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.600 Oh yeah, I took a class on it, and it 327 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:03.480 was like I could do it, but it definitely took 328 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.559 like an hour to do a chart, which is like 329 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:10.400 a long time. And then like time zones are so tricky. 330 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:13.400 You have to have a special book because one county 331 00:17:13.559 --> 00:17:16.279 could have a time zone that is using daylight saving 332 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.480 time in a state that doesn't use daylight saving time. 333 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:22.920 So like it's crazy, and that's where I just like 334 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:24.680 time is such a silly thing. If we just went 335 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:27.119 by the sun, our life would be so much easier, 336 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:29.079 Like we wouldn't be as confused. 337 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:30.920 I don't know, it's just my take. 338 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:33.039 I agree, I totally agree. 339 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:40.720 Anyway, I have any questions before asking to right your 340 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.640 show frames itself around the idea of the mystic sister. 341 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.480 What does that phrase mean to you now beyond the title? 342 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:51.880 Yeah, so the mystic sister in Latin soar mystica is 343 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:57.799 a term that was given to in like Renaissance alchemy. 344 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:02.119 They would often have like the alchemists were male generally 345 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:05.359 pretty much, and so there was this reference to the 346 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:07.480 sore mystica and a lot of these writings, So like 347 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:11.440 the mystic sister, the helper, the assistant basically who was 348 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:15.640 a woman who would be around and so her role 349 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.880 was like this as a support, but also she was 350 00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:22.200 like the backbone of the work. She was keeping all 351 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.000 the notes and she was you know, measuring all the 352 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:30.039 things and just so instrumental to the alchemist completing his work. 353 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.519 And Young talked a lot about this archetype of the 354 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.599 sore mystica and the mystic sister and this kind of 355 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:40.160 animal figure almost in his terminology for it. So when 356 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.920 we were thinking of this podcast, so this is kind 357 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.680 of what we're doing. We're like being the assistant to 358 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.480 like people doing their own kind of inter searching and 359 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:53.000 inter alchemical work and offering different perspectives and bringing up 360 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.200 ideas and such. So I think that's that's kind of 361 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:59.359 We had a long list of potential names and then 362 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:02.319 we were like, yeah, that that feels the best. 363 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:06.000 It was Marianna's idea, so yeah, and then like what 364 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:10.160 does it mean now beyond the show? That's like that 365 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:16.440 that's our relationship and we get to, you know, explore 366 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.240 all of these weird topics together. And I think also 367 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:24.640 like it's created a little alembic of like growing as 368 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.240 people together too. You know, it's like we cast a 369 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:31.240 spell on ourselves with this show and with the title 370 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:36.000 names our spells words or spells, and so yeah, I 371 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:38.359 think that that's the other side of it, is just 372 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:43.079 that like having somebody be able to reflect back to you, 373 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:46.759 like the places where you're learning, the places where you 374 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:50.160 are curious, the places where you need to still learn 375 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:54.119 and grow. Is that sort of like alchemical mystic sister 376 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:58.200 relationship that I think is important? And I have three brothers, 377 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.000 I don't have any sisters, so the stick sister is 378 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:01.559 important to me. 379 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.079 Okay, yeah, yeah, I even remembered sore from being in 380 00:20:06.119 --> 00:20:09.359 the oto that meant like sister. Yeah. I like the name. 381 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:11.319 I think it's whistle nice. 382 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:14.480 Yeah, it's also cute. Sounds like. 383 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.480 Uh, Brandon and Kaiva, Do you have anything? I just 384 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:22.720 want to I don't want to keep going with that 385 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.039 and don't forget you guys. All right? Oh you said 386 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:30.240 that the podcast kind of grew out of years of 387 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.720 private conversations. What made you decide those conversations needed to 388 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:34.400 become public? 389 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:38.400 We kept complaining so much to each other about how 390 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.640 no one knows anything. I'm just kidding, No, we. 391 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:45.960 It sounds like us, you know how it goes? 392 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:50.319 No, I know, So that's like the short answer the 393 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:50.920 long answer. 394 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:51.240 I love. 395 00:20:52.920 --> 00:21:00.799 Yeah, I think that really yeah, just coming from a 396 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:04.799 place of wanting to share, knowing that like a podcast 397 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.880 would be a comfortable format for people like I think 398 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:12.880 Mariann and I coming from like, you know, I don't know, 399 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.799 it's like academic background, and then kind of importing that 400 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.960 maybe academic feel into our classes and maybe even into 401 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:25.680