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Game of Thrones is actually based on the War of Roses.
Hear about this and know about this guy's.
Speaker 4: I've heard of it before. It was an old Austin
battle where the strippers from the Yellow Rose and the
strippers from the Red Rose had a little battle.
Speaker 2: They had a strip off.
Speaker 4: They had a strip off.
Speaker 2: It lasted a long time.
Speaker 4: From what I hear that, You know what, whoever owns
the Yellow Rows and the Red Rose should do that.
They called the War the Roses.
Speaker 2: People still track their strip lineage to that original strip off.
Speaker 3: Wow, and the Yellow Rose clearly won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: House Pelasio entered the mix, but they were long forgotten.
Speaker 2: They were probably like the tutors. They showed up late.
Speaker 3: No, we'll talk about this. It's the War the Roses,
and we'll start with the root cause of the War
of the Roses. A lot of people say in England
lies with the succession plan after the death of Edward
the Third in thirteen seventy seven. Edward the Third himself
set off the One Hundred Years War in thirteen thirty
seven when he made claim for the French throne after
the death of Charles the Fourth, who died without any
sons or brothers, and his nephew Eddie three Styx was
the closest male relative left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was kind of common during this time
period because of the way they were intermarrying and the
way that things were passed down between generations. The King
of England at a lot of times in the twelfth
century owned more french Land or controlled more french Land
than the King of France did.
Speaker 3: A lot of ties between French and British.
Speaker 2: Rule, and it just way, it trickled down like a
Plinko game. It was like, Oh, my third son inherits this,
but he's now also technically the king of England.
Speaker 3: Everyone's related to Yeah, everyone's a cousin, brother, sister.
Speaker 2: It's true.
Speaker 4: Mother, Is this happening during the Hundred Years War? Oh? Okay,
it's a war within a war.
Speaker 3: There's a war inside a war inside of war.
Speaker 2: Well, every son is kind of a badass. Do you
talk about him?
Speaker 3: And Assembly of French Barons decided the crown should go
to a native French born royal and promoted Charles's cousin Philip.
Thus began a conflict that would span over the next
five generations. Edward the Third's two eldest sons, Edward the
Black Prince, who was one of his best commanders in
the hunter Ear War. He was commanding, but he died
of dysentery a year prior to his own father's death,
and his second eldest son, Lionel, was poisoned by his
in laws and passed in thirteen sixty eight. So if
you want to expand on the Black Prince, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say his he died before
his dad, and then you were talking.
Speaker 3: About his dad's death.
Speaker 4: He died from the poops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was my thing, I know. So the
Black Prince was a pretty fierce warrior and he had
to go out on the toilet.
Speaker 2: He was sick, nasty, He was very damon targarian.
Speaker 4: But he died very much like Tyrian Lanbister Kaiwan Taiwan. Yeah,
we have to get those names.
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of parallels. Obviously. George R. R.
Martin talks about the War of Roses being the inspiration
four Game of Thrones. He actually said he doesn't write fiction.
He takes history, scrubs off the serial numbers like a gun,
and then just ramps it up to eleven. Those are
his own words.
Speaker 2: Accurate, accurate, then.
Speaker 4: Adds a little bit of dragons in it, well.
Speaker 3: A little bit of fantasy.
Speaker 2: As you missed Laps episode that I was here, we
talked briefly about a dragon.
Speaker 3: We did, don't but that was Roman times. Yeah, that
was the Punic War episode. So his two oldest sons
are dead he himself passes away in thirteen seventy seven.
He had three remaining sons, John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster,
Edmund of Langley, first Duke of York, and Thomas of Woodstock,
Duke of Cloyceester. I don't know. Some of these English
towns are just the mouthful Cloychester, Cloycechester, They're not important.
The two big houses you need to know for this war,
it's the Lancasters.
Speaker 2: And the Yorks, the Pepsi and the Coke of.
Speaker 3: The Lanisters and the Starks. Essentially, the White Rose was
the Yorks, the Red Rose or a Lancasters Lanister, same thing.
Speaker 4: So that's why a civil war.
Speaker 2: The roses based off the flowers from three generations earlier.
Speaker 4: From the yellow from the Yellow Rose and the Red Rose.
You're saying back to the stripper thing. Yes, do you
know how this ends, Georgio?
Speaker 2: I do not you know?
Speaker 4: Okay, I think we need to pick a side already
without even I don't know how this ends. So it's
either maybe I should root for the Yorks and he
roots for the Lancasters, or you choose. I'll let you choose,
since I'm putting this out here, I don't know, Lancaster,
you will Lancaster, I'll go York, all right, go York.
I'm going York.
Speaker 3: Boy.
Speaker 2: If I were to look at George R. Martin's tellings,
things get messy and one person may win for a little.
I don't know if they'll win forever.
Speaker 4: I'm going with the old Yorks.
Speaker 3: Well, war is not that simple. Ever, it's not good
versus evil?
Speaker 2: Is war over?
Speaker 3: Not cut and dry. There's so many twisting turns.
Speaker 4: Don't care. I'm going for the Yorks.
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's fair.
Speaker 2: So what year are we in right now?
Speaker 3: So this is thirteen seventy seven?
Speaker 4: Cool?
Speaker 3: This is when Edward the third dies. Now he passes
up his three remaining sons in favor of Edward the
Third's grandson through the Black Prince's own kid, Richard.
Speaker 2: So little explanation of how this works is the firstborn
son then becomes heir to the throne, much to the
dismay of his uncle's right. Then his firstborn son becomes
next up. I don't know how that works in American politics.
But who's ever after the vice president?
Speaker 3: There's no comparison to the American politics.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Basically, his younger brothers get jumped for his kid.
They're all Kennedy's even though he's already dead. But he
was such a g people were like, yeah, we're gonna
go with them instead.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so his old the Black Prince is the
oldest son.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so he is his son. He has a kid, so.
Speaker 4: He is a proper heir to the throne.
Speaker 3: Yes, this kid technically, but Richard the Black Prince's son
was only ten. He's only ten years old. He is
a child.
Speaker 4: Everyone has a claim to the throne if you really
think about it.
Speaker 3: The young King, Richard the Second, who became known as
Richard of Bordeaux, took over in thirteen seventy seven and
let his uncles John and Thomas call the shots of
his regency council.
Speaker 4: So this would be like, this is the.
Speaker 3: Black Prince's son who's ten takes over.
Speaker 4: So he's like like the third and the fourth born
of the Eddy three sticks be like, hey, you guys
are in I'm you know, I'm just a kid, you guys,
can I know.
Speaker 3: It gets a little confusing because the names are very similar.
It's a lot of Richard's, a lot of Edwards, a
lot of Edmunds, and that's kind of why people can
play in Game of Thrones. But he's literally just ripping
off history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. So he became king at ten, like
he got power king in name only.
Speaker 3: He really gets crowded, like when you come of age.
I think it's like sixteen at this time, then you
fully have power. But at this point his uncles are
calling the shots.
Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3: And they each kind of have their own sub sect house.
There's really five houses that come of all this, but
two main players, the Lancasters and the Yorks.
Speaker 2: The Yorks are really like the bad team in this.
Speaker 4: Stre I don't think New Yorks are We'll see, you know,
we'll see how history goes, because I don't think these
Lancasters are no goods. That's what they are.
Speaker 2: They're casters.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to ride with the Lanisters, go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, No like spellcasters. Team York Ancaster. Okay, the longer
the name, the better. Who wants to be ruled by
a York doesn't even sound royal.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying it.
Speaker 2: Sounds peasant like. It sounds like it's giving your outfit.
Speaker 4: How dare you? I work hard in my fields?
Speaker 3: They handled the ongo one hundred Years War and the
peasant revolt in thirteen eighty one that came from an
unpopular tax used to fund the one hundred year of War.
The older he got, the more Richard started to squeeze
out his uncles, became a true monarch and shrank the
amount of allies around him while putting a target on
his back. Meanwhile, in France, most of the territory gained
under his grandfather Edward the Third had been lost, and
Richards saw to negotiate a peace treaty with the French
King Charles the six, which would make England a client
kingdom of France.
Speaker 2: So we went from just I'm amazing Edward the Third
rule he goes down is probably one of the greatest
kings of all time, except for the plague happens during
his rule and then his leny she gets kind of
shot down.
Speaker 3: A lot of this is kind of marred with the plague.
Whether there's a bunch of crazy shit that happens all
throughout this that kind of upsets the apple cart. But yeah,
there's a lot of plague. So plague.
Speaker 4: So how long has one hundred Years War been going on?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 4: During this time.
Speaker 3: It started in thirteen thirty seven, about forty years.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we still got sixty years left. I guess
they're not making full peace, is what I'm figuring out.
Speaker 3: It's ongoing, it's not constant. It's just like, oh, we're
gonna take France now. Oh we're gonna go back in England.
Speaker 2: But France is up right now. So England was up
big during Edwards the third, taking so much of it,
like we're gonna make a run at all of it.
Speaker 4: So like this is the this is the finals, and
England was up two oh and then like Francis tied it.
Speaker 3: Up more or less. Yeah, they've pushed back. English Parliament,
which mostly consisted of actual nights fighting the war, rejected
the hell out of this treaty. Richard went on and
negotiated the deal with Charles the sixth anyway without their permission,
agreeing to marry charles the six six year old daughter.
Richard then spent the next few years exilent in executing
his political opponents in years known as Richard's Tyranny, and
many historians believe he developed several personality disorder that caused
him to become more paranoid Okay, so he's a little
bit of a schizophrenic.
Speaker 4: So you said that he what type of kingdom is he?
Speaker 2: For France?
Speaker 4: Then like that that was the treaty.
Speaker 3: He was trying to negotiate a peace deal with Charles
the Six because he was getting his ass kicked in France,
and agreed to marry Charles the Six's daughter at the
time six and he at this point, I think, so
this is around He's still a teenager.
Speaker 2: He's a teenager with multiple personality disorder engaged to a
six year old who then starts just off and people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent people. History is fun, isn't it? And this
is oh he is No, this is not part of
the Lancasters or the Yorks.
Speaker 3: This is just Richard, right, that's just Richard being Richard.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, as long as he was out of York,
that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: This led to him taking the titles in the land
of his cousin, Henry Bohlnbrook when his uncle John of
Gaunt died in thirteen ninety nine, So big unk. That
helped kind of with his early years, his early preteen
years as king. He dies and then his cousin he's like,
fuck you, dude, that's my land.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's the king.
Speaker 3: Henry. Then, you know, as one does when you get
all your titles and lineage and all the things promised
to you taken away. He builds up his own little
small force in France, and when Richard went on his
expedition to Ireland in thirteen ninety nine, Henry himself just
invaded England in June of thirteen ninety nine, meeting little
to no resistance. His support rapidly grew amongst the disenfranchised
nobles who were being persecuted against in Richard's uh kind
of two year run of tyranny. They allowed him the throne,
and Richard, upon return from Ireland, was like, hey, what
happened to my kingdom? And they're like you got to
go to prison, brother.
Speaker 4: So so he's like, nah, fuck you, cause I'm taking
Ireland all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go, I'm gonna
take it. I'm gonna go to Ireland really quick. And
then he comes back and just I was like, should
have done that. I'm the king now, yep.
Speaker 3: He's like, you took my land. I'm taking I'm taking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can have it. But it's coming back in
the package deal, so rest it.
Speaker 4: So was he French then or he just built up
a force in France.
Speaker 3: So the English and French at this time they're they're
very they're both they're muddied, yeah, because they're they're kind
of not smard to get each other related.
Speaker 2: So it's really easy to get some that just want
to get together and go kill some other ones.
Speaker 3: Bolingbrook becomes Henry the Fourth and after a few failed
attempts known as the Epiphany Rise in which was a
group to rescue Richard from imprisonment, the former king stars
to death and the conspirators were executed. Huh, so there
goes Richard. He just dies like a bitch.
Speaker 4: See rich at least he didn't die. He did the
exact opposite way of his dad. Not from the poops,
from the lack of he wished.
Speaker 3: He pooped. Richard supporters and Whales popped off with the
rebellion of their own.
Speaker 4: Then the Soviet Union kill all of them.
Speaker 3: Went Wales, Wales.
Speaker 4: I was just listening to that episode before I came in.
Speaker 3: Dude, there were so many Wales before the Japanese and
Soviets took him out. You could just jump into the
water and there was a helicopter. Yeah, Tutors are kind
of the the main g's that are going off in Wales.
The Welsh, their Welsh Royalty. They control everything in Wales,
and they'll come into the story later on, but for now,
they're just gonna kind of start their own rebellion when
they see an opportunity now that Richard's gone.
Speaker 4: So England controlled Wales during all this too, and then
they're gonna rebel against Henry in the futures. What you saying,
little Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 3: So William the Conqueror, it was like in the ten
hundreds or something. He brought all the kingdoms of England together,
and then further on, I think closer to it might
have been under It wasn't Edward the Third, but I
think Edward the First is the one that united all
or he got like Wales and the United scott Kingdom.
He got all the kingdoms.
Speaker 2: Later known as the United Kingdom.
Speaker 4: He was like uh Agon the Conqueror. William well, okay,
William was the conquer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Edward the First I think was more like a
Taiwan lanister, gotcha. Henry the Fourth continued to fight off
challenges to the crown until his death of fourteen thirteen,
and was succeeded by his son Henry the fifth. Henry
the fifth goes on to invade France in fourteen fifteen,
claiming they were funding the Welsh rebels and that he
had a dynastic claim to the French throne as well,
because everyone did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, running back to basically Edward the third, I
have the sick name. I'm like part French. I could
basically run France two all end this one hundred year war.
I am the rightful king. Come at me.
Speaker 3: More or less. Henry the fifth does work in France.
He fought off a lot of his destined relatives and coups,
wiped out a good part of the French nobility. Give
him legitimacy to the Lancaster monarchy, and in fourteen twenty,
Henry the Fifth and Charles the sixth signed the Treaty
of Troy's, which agreed that Henry would marry his daughter
Catherine and their heirs would be excellent line for the
French throne. Also, Catherine has a lot of roots in
Scotland or not in Wales. I'm sorry with the Welsh
and the tutors.
Speaker 2: Oh, Katie.
Speaker 3: So Henry the fifth after kind of taking you know,
he was doing some boss shit in France. He dies
in fourteen twenty two, also of dysentery. The poops leave
him behind a one year old infant son as their heir.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this is even worse than the ten year old.
Speaker 3: It's much worse. So you can see how it kind
of gets the way it does. Okay, it's just a
lot of people having you know, child kings, a lot
of uncles that feel slighted.
Speaker 2: It causes a big morality problem though, because you want
to do what's right, But is what's right supporting this
one year old child because that is the true born lineage,
or what is what is right? Supporting the person you
think is going to help the realm them most. It's
it's a moral paradox.
Speaker 3: Awesome. If I'm a commoner, I'm not going to listen
to this one year old. Yeah, what's he going to
tell me to do?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't think he's going to tell me anything.
Speaker 2: I don't think he reigns very much, does he.
Speaker 3: His uncle Humphrey sought to become Lord Protector until Henry
the six came of age, so no, Henry, Henry the
six is around a long time, so this would be.
Speaker 2: Handing towards the protector of the realm.
Speaker 4: This would have been I assume Henry the Fists brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so his uncle Humphrey Henry the sixth, was
Humphrey's vie. Humphrey was kind of chill actually, but his
half uncle, Cardinal Henry Beaufort, opposed the idea and there
was a bit of a power struggle over regency as
Henry the six could not walk, let alone rule.
Speaker 2: Well, we knew that it was going to be a
long regency because as a one year old, yeah, you
have like a good sixteen years of king.
Speaker 3: Basically he's not getting crowned, so all the uncles.
Speaker 2: Are like, it's not quite king, but it's like king light,
it's kids diet king.
Speaker 4: Yeah, his crown is one of those like head shaping helmets.
Speaker 3: He went to Burger King and they just like pieced together. No,
Henry the sixth, he officially gets crowned at like seven
in response to a French thing, but he doesn't really
have powered all sixteen, so.
Speaker 4: He makes it there. He makes it to least sixteen.
Speaker 3: You know, well, they're not killing an infant, there's no
they do it in Game of Thrones. Well spoilers, dude,
I don't say when I know. So. Meanwhile, France is
bucking Joan of Arc is just taking dubs against the English,
like left and right. She is reversing many of the
games by Henry the Fifth. Henry the six is crowned
at seven. Like I said, his mother remarries Owen Tudor
and she bores two of his son, Edmund and Jasper Tudor.
So these the tutors he's just got to kind of
pay attention to. In the background, they're they're.
Speaker 4: Doing they're doing their tutor thing.
Speaker 3: They're kind of just like circling the waters. They're they're
staying out of it most of the time. They're just
in exile and just kind of like looking from beyond,
but they're ready to strike.
Speaker 2: You, like the fifth man of any good NBA team
or sixth man of any good NBA team.
Speaker 3: In the background, they're not They're they're like a scout.
There's just they're just watching things happen. For the most part.
Speaker 4: They're not York. So I don't care for my York boys.
Speaker 3: Why is down. Henry the six grows into his position
under the tutelage of William de la Pole, Earl of Suffolk,
and marries the niece of the French king, Margaret of Vanjrew. Margaret,
now this is this is the the baddie, is she?
Speaker 2: Well, she makes Joan of arc like a little bitch.
Speaker 3: Well, she is essentially sirty. Okay, So through a pact
negotiated by William, so like the guy that's kind of
bringing Henry under his wing, he's he introduces him to
his wife. But things go south with the advisor. William
is exiled and executed, and the position is followed by
his boy Richard. But then things there's a little bit
of a power struggle. Margaret gets her guy in, who
is Edmund of Beaufort, Earl of Somerset, and.
Speaker 4: This is pretty much getting him out of like the
counsel counsul to.
Speaker 3: The king like hand of the king.
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
Speaker 3: Margaret walks all over Henry the sixth, and she even
has an affair with Edmund that was so public that
many just believe their heir, Edward of Westminster, was a
bastard from the jump.
Speaker 4: Okay, so she she's got a little side pe and
she said, no, I'm going to keep you in the kingdom.
I'm gonna make you hand so I can you know,
I'm walking over my husband and I got my my
slam piece on the side that's actually ruling.
Speaker 3: Yes, So her her little side dick, she places in
a position of power to advise her husband. Got you,
and you know, if the husband needs to go away,
she can play.
Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking about, cook, that's the ultimate.
You just cookeed the King of England.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she dude, I'm telling you. She's so They
refer to her as the Wolf of France. She's cutthroat.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Why don't we exile people anymore?
Speaker 3: Because they always come back. I think we learned through history.
If you exile somebody, especially Napoleon, he only came back stronger.
Speaker 4: Exile and banishment sounds so cool. The only time you
get like band is from like a video game or something. Anymore.
Speaker 2: You even wants to watching The Count of Money Cristo
too much. I don't know this is cool.
Speaker 3: Being banished so the English get their ass whoops in
France to the point that it officially ends the one
hundred year War in fourteen fifty three, Henry the sixth
does not take this well, has a complete mental breakdown.
He essentially goes a wall in the realm, just disappears.
Speaker 4: So his dad had just like screw Henry Finn got
so much lamdmank was doing work. And then Henry six
just like takes over Arc just completely.
Speaker 3: He's a baby for the most part. And then Joan
of Arc does her thing. France pushes back and by
the time he takes over, yeah, it's it's bad news.
He loses most of what his father gained and then
he just has to sign a treaty. Is very, very
mentally unstable, just thinks like this is who George R.
Martin actually bases the mag King off of Okay, you
know he he goes crazy nuts, He goes a well
in the realm, doesn't even bother to name his newborn
the air. A Regency Council is established to rule, and
Richard of York his name Lord Protector. In fourteen fifty four,
Let's go Richie York actually imprisons Somerset. So Margaret's side
piece who everyone thinks is the father of the prince.
Speaker 4: Uh, get that side dick out of here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, we need to take care of this
this guy got He's first off, he's dumb. He's not
a very good advisor.
Speaker 4: He's just hot.
Speaker 3: He's just flinging dick to the queen. Yeah, and he
probably fathered this bastard prince.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we need to get that.
Speaker 3: We need to get rid of this dude, so there's
at least legitimacy to the Prince. I like the way
the father dies, like the way the Yorks are moving
so far. So Richard actually has his best interest initially
for Henry the sixth. He's still like, that's my boy.
I know he's a little crazy right now, but we
need to like set him straight. He got kind of
pussy whipped. This woman's walking all over him. We need
to set her straight. We need to take that dude
out her little side piece, and we need to have
some stability to the crown.
Speaker 2: That's what you're saying is getting getting cooked as a
king can drive you into.
Speaker 3: Madness and losing a war like the war so the
hundred your wards, like the First World War. Yeah, Richard
is then no longer Lord Protector in fourteen fifty five
because Henry the sixth just gets the shit together. He's like,
you know what, I'm back boys, I can do this.
Speaker 4: I like to think that Richard helped him and doing that.
Speaker 3: I think so too.
Speaker 2: I think getting the toxic girlfriend out of your life
can help you so much.
Speaker 4: She's still around, just more that she got.
Speaker 3: Rid of the boyfriend. Yeah, or he got rid of
her boyfriend. But maybe he likes being cooked because Henry
the Six releases Somerset from the Tower of Lunch.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure, I'm so. He he Henry six pretty
much like, no, I'm good, I'm going to take power again,
and then releases the side dick. He gotta think that now.
He's like, no, listen to me. And then she's like,
all right, I'm back in power now, I'm gonna yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was never good.
Speaker 4: Oh now that you're back, babe, can you can you
release Somerset? Like since you're you're back in control now.
Speaker 2: This is junkie toxic mentality right here. This is this
is this is I need to get back with the
toxic X who treats me terribly. I'll do anything. She says,
let's get a cheesecake factory.
Speaker 4: So he releases the sky. What happens then.
Speaker 3: And he exiles his boy and Lord Protector Richard of York.
Fuck fuck Henry the six I know, no, Nah, So
you're gonna really ride for the fucking Lanisters, the Lancasters.
Speaker 4: So okay, So Lancaster is is she like?
Speaker 3: That's Circe and everything, Henry Lancaster. They're all Ancasters, the Yorks.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I just want to make sure that your boy.
Speaker 3: Is the Lord Protector. He is.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm rich s or York Lord Protector just got exiled,
and you're Henry the Sixers getting cooked.
Speaker 3: You have to understand you're kind of like Ned Stark.
Speaker 2: Henry's been through a lot.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: He's basically the child actor of the time.
Speaker 3: He was king.
Speaker 2: Gotta do was one, didn't know what to do. His
uncles took advantage of the throne, drove the crown into peril.
Like his dad had it built up, his uncles drove
it into heck. France came back. He had assigned some treatings.
He didn't want to treat the battie wife. He thought
he had was getting some d on the side. Who's
now all of a sudden, his advisor can streuss a
man out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy how long Henry the sixth last because
of all these things that are happening. I guess they
just feel bad from enough that.
Speaker 2: Gets hooked on the zans, gets gets clean, comes.
Speaker 3: Back whether like he's not really an issue, Like we
can rule the kingdom without him.
Speaker 4: He's the Biden very much.
Speaker 3: So Richard of York, he gets exiled. Of course he's
gonna raise an army in May of fourteen fifty five,
and he hopes to intercept and attack the Royal Party
at Saint Albans before they reach a newly established council.
Richard brought along an army of four thousand to challenge
Henry and his two thousand troops south of London on
May twenty second. On May twenty second, fourteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: So my ex hand is trying to jump me. Now
you're you're literally this is just like Mike Pence came
back and was trying to.
Speaker 4: Get this is no. This is what it is is
that like you're constantly telling your boy that like, no,
your your exes, no, your girlfriend's cheating on you. This
is why you're in such a bad place. You need
a break up with her and he finally does it,
and then he gets back together with her and says, no,
you're camping by friend anymore. He's like, all right, the
only recourse I have now is to beat the ship
some sense into you. So this is what he's doing.
He's just like, all right, gonna beat him up. That's
what this is.
Speaker 2: That's strikingly good Rogeric.
Speaker 3: On one side was Henry and Margaret's family, the House
of Lancaster. On the other side of the Richard family,
the House of York. This was essentially the first real
battle of the War of Roses, so everything else was
kind of preamble and like everything that led up to it,
this is what kind of kicks off the War of Roses.
Speaker 4: That was all lore. We're into it now, now we're
off to it. We're off, folks.
Speaker 3: Richard had a decisive victory at Albans and took Henry
the sixth prisoner after finding the king hiding in a
tanner shop, while Somerset and many of his other key
rivals of Richard were killed in action. So he got
kind of the best of both worlds. He got to
kind of capture his homie, maybe try to talk some
sounds into him, imprison him, but maybe you figure things out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't want it. He doesn't kill Henry. He
just he wants to be like. You know, you're still
being like, I'm trying to help you out.
Speaker 2: Because if you killed the rightful king, everyone knows they
would turn on you. And you're just trying to manipulate
me because you're stopping me from being with the batty.
Oh my god, you don't want me to be with
the batty.
Speaker 4: You picked the wrong side, and you are regretting it.
Georgia the York are Now I have to defend it.
Right now.
Speaker 3: I like this. I like having to pick a side
and just sticking to your guns. Yeah, because there's a
lot of parallels to modern the modern world right now
in politics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't no matter whay I have the wrong guy, But.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I made my decision.
Speaker 4: I don't matter what the facts are. I picked my side.
Speaker 2: Look, I love her. You said you accepted that, and
then now you've crossed me as my boy.
Speaker 4: So now you're Henry the sixth and I am Richard.
If you're like, all right, we got this. So yeah,
so he gets his boy back and he kills the
side dick and like a lot of other people. So
that means, okay, like where this is going.
Speaker 3: Richard of York is once again appointed a Lord Protector
by Parliament.
Speaker 4: He has a claim to the throne, right he's probably yeah,
so well by power. But does he not have a lineage?
Speaker 3: I'm sure he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone, like I said, basically, everyone's tracing it back
to Edward the Third.
Speaker 3: At this point, he secures his succession to the throne
through the Act of the Accord in fourteen sixty. This
meant that Richard was now in line to become king
ahead of Henry the Six's son. So he is the
Lord Protector, but now he's like I found a little
bit of a I found a path to become king.
Speaker 4: Which are not his offspring, like as in like if
Henry the Six dies, I am now the king. Oh
I like this?
Speaker 2: Yes, this seems like a trap.
Speaker 3: Well. After Richard took control of England, Henry the Six
went into hide in but he was then captured by
noble families who supported Richard. Margaret of Andrew raised her
own army by forming an alliance with Scotland and France
to get power back for her husband and support and
secure the throne for her son Edward. In December fourteen sixty,
the Lancaster Army and Richard's Yorkis forces fought against each
other outside Sandal Castle near Wakefield. Richard of York and
his oldest son Edmund were killed. Henry the Six was
restored to power. So that bad day for your boys.
Speaker 2: Fuck that, let's good.
Speaker 4: So at this point, Henry the six it was still
the king. He just went into hiding and like he
ran away and said like, no, no, come back here,
you're still the king. And then his wife was like,
but he's not really the king, so we're gonna fight you. Yeah,
that's how I went, all right, So the wife praise
the army.
Speaker 3: She took power back. Yes, he's like, I'm tired of
not being queen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he but she still technically was, but just
not power wise because he was hand the king. Still
he was still having Henry the Six being the king.
But he ran away pretty much.
Speaker 2: I was an exile because you were raising such a
he you.
Speaker 4: Were in an exile, ran away like a little bitch
you would raise. I had to go tell one of
the noble families to go pick you.
Speaker 2: I had to go help.
Speaker 4: They called me up. They said, yeah, he's actually at
our house. He said he doesn't want to be home.
Speaker 2: I had to call Scotland to help me.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: No, your wife did your your cheating bitch wife did well.
Speaker 5: She rules.
Speaker 3: Richard's other sons, Edward, George, and Richard continue to fight
the War of the Roses and try to win the
throne for the Yorkist fall In the Battle of Wakefield,
Yorkist blocked Lancasters from entering London. The Earl of Warwick,
a powerful noble, crown Edward.
Speaker 4: That's where the lineage goes. It was supposed to be.
If Henry the Six dies, is supposed to go to Richard,
and then Richard of York and then through the rest
of his family. Yeah, so, but and then like but
but then there was Edward Henry six actual son, and then.
Speaker 3: So Henry the six still very much alive. Okay, his
son also a lot along with his wife Margaret.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the p.
Speaker 3: But Richard Richard of York dead, also his sons or
one of his sons, Edmond is dead. His oldest surviving
son is then crowned king by the Earl of Warwick,
who was a powerful noble.
Speaker 4: Oh while Henry the Six is still a lot Yep,
this is not even so.
Speaker 3: Now was the battle of two kings?
Speaker 4: They're saying, like, screw it. No, the orcus us Yorkis
are saying, no, no, we don't even see six is king.
We don't recognize Richard's son is king. So Warwick's decision
to crown Edward as king left England with two kings.
Edward the Fourth, who is a lot of people compare
him to a mix between Robert Barrathian and Rob Stark.
Speaker 3: Okay, large man, so very good at war, a bit
of a whore. He liked to drink like the fuck
got around.
Speaker 4: This is Edward the Fourth, Edward the Fourth, Eddie boy,
very good at battle, very.
Speaker 3: Are you good at conquering? But yeah, he had his vices.
What to drink?
Speaker 2: You have to hit the bars seem cooler at this point.
I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: The shoes. Yeah. You have the House of schizophrenics, yeah,
and young people bad time and it's a bad time. Yeah. Yeah,
we're just I mean, the Yorks are just fucking conquering.
Speaker 4: You know the fact that we have New York I thought,
you know, probably York's were the better, better choosing that,
you know, Old York, New York. But I wasn't sure.
I'm glad I got the Yorks. At least I hope
I still continue glad I got the Yorks.
Speaker 3: We'll see. Edward the fourth and the Earl of Warwick
march north and fought the Lancaster Army at Talton, New
York in March of fourteen sixty one. Talton was a
victory for Edward the fourth and the Yorkist Army. Fuck yeah,
and it was one of the most violent battles ever
fought in England, with an estimate of over twenty eight
thousand deaths, which is insane back then. I mean, it
doesn't really touch or broach Chinese numbers, but we kind
of were over those do. Punic numbers aren't that bad either,
the Punic. The real death in the Punic War comes
from just people drowning. Yeah. The ocean, the ocean with
the ocean took so many casualties.
Speaker 4: I'm not unaware of Plague had a lot too. Though
plague took a lot.
Speaker 2: Didn't the plague take like one third of Europe?
Speaker 3: But I'm talking this is one battle. This is twenty
eight thousand dead a plague month. People kind of overestimate
because of movies and TV shows and stuff. Battles were
kind of like little skirmishes. Yeah, these weren't like twenty
thousand people dying in one swooping.
Speaker 4: Even the interception battle was four thousand verse two thousands,
So even if everyone died in that one was six
thousand people, Like, how did.
Speaker 2: You challenge a kingdom with four thousand people?
Speaker 4: It was a It was a riding party, slowly rise
in it. They were intercepting the royal party. Wasn't like
a full on all my army first all it was.
Speaker 3: It was a surprise attack. Yeah, they only had two thousand,
so they outnumbered them. They double you're.
Speaker 2: Such a trader.
Speaker 4: How could anyone, oh what type of trader captures the
king back to put him back on the throne, Like that's.
Speaker 2: Out on a bender because of his royal blood.
Speaker 4: No, I think if there's anyone on a bender, it
sounds like it's this Edward the fourth who just won.
May have lost some troops, maybe like half a twenty
eight thousand, but still doesn't matter. When's a win, win's
a win.
Speaker 3: Maybe many of the higher Lancasters were killed. Henry the
six again flee. He flees to Scotland.
Speaker 4: This guy can't stop running away.
Speaker 3: With Margaret and their son Edward.
Speaker 2: Look me and the wife when you go on vacation
were an album mode. Kendrick hit us with a hard diss.
Speaker 4: She's looking for a new side piece. But you want
to talk about betrayal. We're here to fight her.
Speaker 5: Barber boy Earl of.
Speaker 3: Warwick, who initially names King Edward the fourth King, he
abandons his support in fourteen seventy, I've abandoned my boy
after he resisted his attempts to form an alliance with France.
Warwick was angry that Edward married someone who was not noble.
Oh so this is a very uh the rock Stark thing. Yeah, okay,
so Warwicks which asides because he's like, dude, marriage is political.
You have to get something out of it. You need
to go, you know, negotiate with France, marry one of
their daughters. You need to kind of bring everything together.
You can't be you can't be marrying a lowborn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta marry some other royal member or some
like noble and then you can keep your side piece
and just appoint him to like hand or something like that,
Like she can be a migrant, did you know, just
be some servant. Sir Cole would not be happy with
this though, so maybe she wouldn't been happy either.
Speaker 2: I mean this is a very circle.
Speaker 4: I get what you mean. Yeah, this is very much
rub off the serial numbers and we got and we
got Doe.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, George R. Martin does not create anything.
This is all just riped from He's a big historian.
We'd love to have him on the show. We love
so Georgia, if your we'd love him to finish the
fucking book first. But true, So Warwick had support of
the French king of the time, Louis the eleventh, provided ships,
men and money, and he hops over to Henry's wife, Margaret,
we'll put this crazy person back on the throne who
had just fleed.
Speaker 4: So after this was the guy that crowned Edward the fourth,
the king the biggest opposition to them. She's like, a yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: Because everyone knows I'm the rightful king, buddy.
Speaker 3: Because Warwick's like, hey, man, I thought I believed in something.
I believed in this man, but he married a fucking poor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, yeah, she's all right, I get I
completely agree that your allegiance has switched now because that
is just who would do that? So hold on, I
guess off a little tangent here, what's the difference between
a duke and an earl? Like why could the earl
crown him king? And it be like people are like, yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3: What's a king to a god? What's a god to
a nun believe?
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that answered my question.
Speaker 3: Don't believe. It's just titles, like I don't know. So
I guess status, more money, more land, more people to rule.
Speaker 4: Interesting, they're all related.
Speaker 2: It's ranking above a viscount and below a marquise.
Speaker 3: That helps so much Gorgian would you like to kind
of you would probably want to be a viscount, right,
Like that's where you want to You don't want to
go higher than that because then you're kind of you
have a target on your back.
Speaker 4: I want to be a baron. That just sounds fun.
Speaker 3: That's more French.
Speaker 2: Oh so a marquise is above an earl but below
a duke, so earl would be below duke.
Speaker 3: Okay. Warwick Lands in England on the south coast and
overwhelms Edward's support. Edward fled England and traveled to Flanders,
which is now part of Belgium and Europe. Henry the
sixth was then briefly again put back on the marble throne.
This guy can't stop winning by no actions of his own.
He just keeps running away and people go and find
him and say, no, I don't want to I don't
want it, very Kanye. Just here, man, here's a crown.
You drop this.
Speaker 2: Nah nah.
Speaker 4: They well, just because everyone wants to keep on putting
him on, because no one wants to actually be the king.
They just want all the power being kid.
Speaker 3: They want to manipulate it.
Speaker 4: They want every like the realm to blame him for
the batsubs happening if you fuck up, so like you
want to rule in the shadows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the most puppetable king.
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, yep, so hod So they lost because of
this overwhelming But is is Eddie Eddie four? Is he
still alive?
Speaker 3: He's still alive? Okay, he flees to Belgium. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
you said. On the fourth of May fourteen seventy one,
there was a decisive battle for the Orcist at the
Battle of Twkesbury. Edward the fourth returned to England from
Flanders after he gathered an army with support from some
English nobles and his brother in law, Charles of Burgundy.
The Lancaster army was on their way to Wales to
join another force when they were cut off by Edward's army.
Rather than escape, they decided to fight. The Lancaster forces
were pushed back and defeated. Fuck you, King Henry the sixth,
only son and heir Edward was killed on the battlefield.
So Henry the sixth no longer has succession plan, he
no longer has a child.
Speaker 2: We Yeah, I forgot that out.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a future Lancaster problem. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't think Eddie. I don't think Henry's figuring this
one out. He's probably just gonna fucking run away again
or something.
Speaker 3: Margaret was captured and paraded through London, where she remained
until the French King Louis the eleventh ransomed her in
fourteen seventy five, so she ultimately goes back to France.
Happy ending for Margaret, she didn't really face any consequences
for her actions.
Speaker 2: Kind of a savage though she was.
Speaker 4: I mean she was a big player in all this.
Speaker 3: Following his victory at Talwksbury, Edward march to London, arriving
on the twenty first of May, and Henry the six
would not escape this. He was executed on Edward's orders.
Speaker 4: No more running away, little boy.
Speaker 3: Yorks.
Speaker 2: We had a good run. Oh you did it. I
thought we had enough to tell gets to win it.
Speaker 4: He had a long run, but it wasn't not a
good run.
Speaker 3: Edward the Fourth had a pretty good and peaceful reign.
And of course he was hitting up brothels. He's just
left the party. He didn't really do much under his run,
but it was peaceful.
Speaker 4: It's he he was a conqueror, not a not a ruler. Yeah,
you know, it was just like all right, well I
got it, very Robert Brathian. Everything was in peace.
Speaker 3: He ruled until his death in fourteen eighty three. His
son became King, Edward the Fifth. He was only twelve
years old when he became king. So again, man, it's
always these young kings the start issues.
Speaker 4: This is the this is the oldest of the young
kings that we've gotten so far. It's been ten one
and now twelve. So at least he's got two more years.
Speaker 3: Got something. But I don't think his father was around much.
I don't think he yea, he taught him anything.
Speaker 4: He was too busy banging horse.
Speaker 2: It's hard work.
Speaker 3: His son, Edward the fifth, takes the crown at twelve,
and his uncle Richard was lord protector for Edward until
he becomes of age sixteen.
Speaker 4: Right, that's pretty much the So when you're saying he
takes the crown, just that usually means that, like Edward
the fourth died or do they ever pass the crown
on before hid?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Edward the fourth dead. So Edward the fifth
takes the seat, but you know he's too young to rule.
He needs to learn under his uncle, of.
Speaker 2: Course, So there is a ceremony in which he is crowned.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Richard then claimed that he was aired to the
throne and crowned himself king instead.
Speaker 4: The fuck?
Speaker 3: Why because he said Edward the Fifth was illegitimate?
Speaker 4: Oh my han okay, and so this is not no
side piece there? Why why do you say this?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Because Edward the fourth married a poor, dirty peasant, which
he's tainted the line he's illegitimate, Not because it isn't
the wife.
Speaker 4: It's not because it's not Edward the fourth son. It's
because he is. He's half he's half poor, he's half poor.
I get it. Okay, interesting in this like he's thetor
but is he also he's the brother of Edward the
fourth Okay, so he's his uncle, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Did uncle's always be taking power?
Speaker 4: That makes sense. I mean if there was, if Edward
the fifth didn't happen, I guess rightfully would go to Richard.
Speaker 2: So I guess it's like you might respect your brother
to be king over you, but then his dweedy son,
his ship son. You're like, no, no, no, I'm basically poor son,
like I would beat him in two k sometimes, so
like I should be king.
Speaker 4: It's a little dweeb. Mother's mother was a peasant. That
and they weren't like legally married. Oh okay, that also
is I think.
Speaker 3: They were married, but they just the fucking royals were
not it. So they just dismissed it. No.
Speaker 2: Church was like, she's too poor to actually right, Mary.
Speaker 3: What is your house? What house do you come from?
Speaker 4: Oh you don't have real blood? You got some of
that dirty low born blood.
Speaker 3: Gross?
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Speaker 3: So this is Richard the Third who becomes king and
the two young princes, including Edward the fifth, disappear in
our never seen from again.
Speaker 4: They were murked, all right, they got murdered, all right, han,
So so we're kinda I'm I'm still with the Yorks,
I guess, but we won. But this is now we're
all on York territory. Huh. All right, well I'm not
feeling as good about this, but always.
Speaker 2: Now it's York on you, York crime.
Speaker 3: Killing a twelve year old and his brother who.
Speaker 4: You never know what happened. They could have just got
exiled and banished, and you know, they could have.
Speaker 3: Had a happy life, a peaceful life somewhere they didn't
want power. Are like, you know what, we'll work on
this ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could have had a great life. You don't know.
Speaker 3: They just disappeared from the fucking woodwork. Henry Tudor, My god,
that is Henry Tudor's music. My god, it's Henry Tutor's music.
His roots with Catherine and the early Lancasters raised in
exile over you know, with in Welsh royalty. Didn't have
any issues, didn't have any problems. He had a claim
to the throne through sus back through the Lancasters.
Speaker 4: Okay, because she remarried, right that the Catherine remarried the Tutors,
and Catherine was whose original wife Edward the third, not
ever third, Henry the fifths. Yeah, okay, so so you're
you're Henry six your mom's so this is like his
half cousin.
Speaker 2: My mom.
Speaker 3: So Catherine is Henry the Fifth's.
Speaker 4: Wife, which is Henry the sixth mom, and she goes
up and remarries and has children, my half brother. So
it's your half brother.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And Henry Tudor he's got shooters in Wales,
in England, in France, he is the king of king.
Speaker 4: So Henry Tudor is Catherine's son, right, okay, so yeah,
your half brother is all right from the rafters here
we go.
Speaker 3: Well, no, he's like the grandson of Catherine or like
the great grandson of ten like.
Speaker 4: Okay, so your half nephew.
Speaker 2: Yes, it gets even.
Speaker 3: I'm confused, your half brother. I need to do like
a chart.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a little tree, so it's okay, but either
way makes sense. It's more of a half.
Speaker 3: Sibling thing, and he makes his run for the crown.
On August twenty second, fourteen eighty five, Richard the Third
and Henry Tudor faced off in the Battle of Bosworth Field.
Henry Tudor had the support of many rich and powerful people,
and initially the powerful Lord Thomas Stanley and his brother
William were undecided who they were gonna support, so they
were gonna fight kind of right by their kingdom, their
castle there a little hey, what are they doing over there?
They're fighting on their land and then like you whose
side are you gonna be on? And like we're gonna wait, yeah.
Speaker 4: Leave us out of this for now. We'll see how
it goes. We'll see how the winds shift.
Speaker 3: And the Stanleys committed a force around five thousand troops
at Bosworth, so their decision over which side they supported
was crucial. It was an extra, you know, kind of
little boost.
Speaker 4: We will support the winning side, but sir, which basically,
whichever side you support is the winning side. No, no,
we will support the winning side.
Speaker 3: We're gonna support both sides so that we come out
on top. Yeah. I played both teams, but they split
the army, which, dude, he's just coming late. You're like that,
you're coming in the fourth quarter of course, Like, oh,
that side's already winning. Yeah, he was supported the whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sweep up.
Speaker 4: Remember when we were there and like we totally help
you win that.
Speaker 3: Bro, you look so fresh. Why does your armor have
like no scuffs on it?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Ultimately, Henry Tutors win the battle. Ah, Stanley's hop on.
They're a little bandwagon. Yeah, nobody circles the wagons like
the Stanleys.
Speaker 4: That's pretty much exactly what they think. They said, all right,
well we're sporting the winning side, so would the Lancasters
are pretty much kind of back in control. But not
like the Lancasters.
Speaker 3: Well, Richard's killed, his forces fled. Richard was the last
English king to die on the battlefield. Actually I think
he for some I think they just found his bones
or something under a parking lot. Yes I could, yeah, yeah,
yeah that happened. Yeah, so he's the last English king
to die on the battle foot and he was buried
under a parking lot.
Speaker 2: Well that well, the parking lot came late.
Speaker 4: Okay later, I'll just saying us York's we leave from
the front man.
Speaker 3: When his body was found many years later, it showed
that he had eleven wounds that were certainly from battle.
He received fatal blows to the skull and back, along
with injuries all over his body. So he went out
like a gangster.
Speaker 4: You know, that's the York way man.
Speaker 3: After Richard's death, Henry Tudor was crowned King Henry the
seventh and married into the York family, bringing the two
houses of Roses together. Oh, thus ends the war the
Roses because of the Tutors. And this is kind of
when the Tutors take over. And so how do you
want to know about them? There's a very popular TV show,
Happy Little ending there. I guess, I guess. So we
both won.
Speaker 2: Basically, the inbreds came together into form one super inbred.
Speaker 3: More or less. Yeah, cousins, brothers, serious lovers, sign had
it all man. He never really did backstabbing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that earl, that earl guy, just because he married
a dirty poor I.
Speaker 3: Think my favorite character in all those probably Richard of York.
He was seemed to be the most like honorable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely was, and like maybe he was constantly
putting Henry the fifth six back on the throne because
he wanted power, but it also just seemed like he
was trying to like, well, no.
Speaker 3: He ultimately turned against him because of his wife and
he gets exiled exactly, but he was always looking out.
Speaker 4: For He was always bringing him back and being like, no,
you're the king.
Speaker 2: No, if you find a way to make peace with
your bros. Girl.
Speaker 4: He was trying to guess up this king all the time,
and his girl was just in his ear saying like,
I don't like you hanging out with him.
Speaker 2: Pretty much, and then brought her new guy in. He's like,
here's your new best friend. But then he's going to
be dicking me down on the side. Yeah, you should
take advice from him.
Speaker 3: What'd you guys learn today?
Speaker 4: I learned that history's nuts, that this was very game
of thronesy, and that Henry the sixth was the biggest
pussy of all time and just kept on running away
from his problems.
Speaker 3: He had mental issues, okay, fine, but he kept running
away before it was cool.
Speaker 2: Don't put pussy on a pedestal m. Don't raise up
your kids thinking they're special from a young age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't don't call your son a king at one,
you know, let him become a king or a king.
Speaker 3: If you're a king, don't die while your son's you know,
a boy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't die from the hershey squirts.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely cook your meat better, like wash your vegetables.
Speaker 4: This all could have been served better diets, and that
brings a say, sponsor better diet.
Speaker 3: I know. The biggest warriors in the story too, all
died distant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the greatest kings, I'll die just except no, not
the greatest king. Richard the third, right, died on the battlefield.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard the third. They found his bones. You said,
where underneath the park parking lot of like a soccer
team or something.
Speaker 2: No, that was that was That wasn't Richard. That was
Richard the Third's Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3: Under Lancaster, the lads just grabbing some pines running into
medieval bones.
Speaker 4: So I guess Tenley the tutors had the claim to
the throne through Catherine, so it's through like the woman's
side and not the Henry the fifth and Catherine.
Speaker 2: They were ready kind of a noble family though ahead
of time it was more of like when they joined
up with Catherine.
Speaker 4: It kind of like, but Catherine remarried into the Tutors, right,
so then like that claim came from Catherine and not
from Henry the fifth.
Speaker 3: It's both. It's just like have essentially Henry the seventh,
Henry Tutor, he just has all the infinity stones, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Catherine Catherine was once married to a king, so that
makes her like queen status.
Speaker 4: I'm saying if she.
Speaker 2: Were to marry someone else next, that would raise them
up a little. And they already came with a little
bit of something.
Speaker 4: So that's where they that Henry the seventh went back
to saying, hey, or here's my claim of throne because
my grandma that we think was the queen at one point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Henry the sixth, his mother was Catherine. Yes, she
marries the Tutors, so yeah, she they have roots all over.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so the line goes through I guess.
Speaker 3: And her two sons were Edmond and Jasper, so I
think Henry is her grandson.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So it works less in like the like
theological math, but it works better when you're like, oh,
these two big squads just want to like squad up.
Speaker 4: Okay, and then so then Henry the Fifth, Catherine's husband
is a Lancaster, right, or is Catherine Lancaster? They're both Lancasters.
That's how it all went. So it was Lancaster all
the way up until the Yorks were like no, no, no, yeah,
more or less makes sense. Okay, So good for the tutors.
I guess they won with Stanley. Stanley just doing nothing,
that's the real winner of this all. He has had
a big battle on it on his front doorstep and said, we'll.
Speaker 3: See what happens. You know which way the wind shift.
Speaker 4: Hey, either way, I'm coming up on top of this.
This is what it was like. Hey, you're fighting on
my lawn. I get to choose what side I picked.
Speaker 2: These are wait, some real big brain things for such
an early time.
Speaker 4: They're fighting out there. Should we join them?
Speaker 3: I mean, this is kind of what ends the Middle
Ages and brings about you know, the brainess holes technically,
I guess, so yeah, yeah, that's the big brain shit
that happens.
Speaker 4: So the War of the Roses. To sum this up,
the War of the Roses was fought between the Lancasters
and the Yorks, and it was ended because the tutors
ended it, so pretty much this whole war was ended
by the tutors.
Speaker 3: And he brought the houses of the flowers together, the
white and the red o. How beautiful, poetic. Some would
say who's today's We like to say Hitler of the show.
So somebody that was the worst character in the story.
Speaker 4: I would say Richard does say what the one guy
that got sent to dungeon and starved? Okay, yeah, the
one that Henry the Fifth's cousin when Henry because Henry
the Fist, the one that got all of his titles
taken and then came back and was like, no, I'm
the king now. And Richard you're in a You're you're
in the dungeon. You're gonna starve to death. I would
say that Richard guy, because he was the one that
was exilent ever won. So Richard the second, Richard the second, Yeah,
I think he was. He was a Hitler.
Speaker 3: He he did have technically a period referred to as
Richard's tyranny.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's that's my vote, and that's me
being side York, not even I'm not even gonna say
a Lancaster over there. That's how noble that's how humble
and honorable I am that even though we had.
Speaker 2: Went out there, I really thin Branch of Richard the
tyrannical tyrannical.
Speaker 4: So I think I think I just answered the question correctly.
Speaker 3: Dan for the video too, I'm gonna add in a
bunch of images and maybe some kind of like family
trees and.
Speaker 4: Make this a little bit easier to understand.
Speaker 3: Even as I'm reading this.
Speaker 2: Of the episode is Joan of Arc.
Speaker 3: It's hard to follow. Yeah, Joan of Arc, she sought
some problems.
Speaker 2: Things were so prosperous when England was controlling most of
France after both Henry the Third and Henry the Fifth.
So I think think, yeah, you're saying Joan of Arc.
Speaker 3: Just blaming a woman, classic Georgia, and I think that's
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Speaker 4: King, which is King Henry the seventh.
Speaker 3: Henry Tutor, bringing the house together well, Randy, where can
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