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Speaker 2: Welcome to softcore History.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to soft core History. I'm your host for

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the week, Dan Regester, and I am joined as always

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by No He's not here, Rob Fox's abandoned his boy.

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So I invited two of the finest men of the realm,

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Papa Ge.

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Speaker 2: Hello, sir Danielle, I'm here to pledge my sword to

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you for this podcast.

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Speaker 3: And another fellow Austin producer, Randy Trimbaki. Hello me lord

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from circling Back.

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Speaker 4: Or should I say your grace? You're your trust up

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as a king today.

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Speaker 3: I am, and you guys are are my I wouldn't

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say peasants.

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Speaker 4: I would say peasants. I'm wearing a potato burlap sack.

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Speaker 3: This crown doesn't really fit my head.

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Speaker 4: Can you know you can form it a little bit?

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It's not actual metal. I think you can just give

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it to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, like they say heavy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, jewel. Merchant shape his crown for the king immediately.

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Speaker 3: I think he just wants it. I think he's trying

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to steal it. It was that you're trying to steal

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the crown? Are you teasing the episode? No, it's pretty heavy.

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There's some weight to that.

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Speaker 4: See that's much better you got. You got to make

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it more oval. It's very circular.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you cracked it. That's why I crack it. You

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did crack it, like the liberty bell.

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Speaker 2: You destroy the crown jewel.

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Speaker 3: You feel better now, not really, but now it's broken.

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But we'll proceed. Uh Yeah, Welcome to softcore history, ladies

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and gentlemen. Rob he's out of town. He actually went

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to his children. He's helping his kids out and his wife.

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He'll be back next week. But got two of my

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finest friends here to talk about a top and that

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Game of Thrones is actually based on the War of Roses.

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Hear about this and know about this guy's.

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Speaker 4: I've heard of it before. It was an old Austin

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battle where the strippers from the Yellow Rose and the

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strippers from the Red Rose had a little battle.

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Speaker 2: They had a strip off.

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Speaker 4: They had a strip off.

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Speaker 2: It lasted a long time.

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Speaker 4: From what I hear that, You know what, whoever owns

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the Yellow Rows and the Red Rose should do that.

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They called the War the Roses.

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Speaker 2: People still track their strip lineage to that original strip off.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and the Yellow Rose clearly won.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 3: House Pelasio entered the mix, but they were long forgotten.

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Speaker 2: They were probably like the tutors. They showed up late.

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Speaker 3: No, we'll talk about this. It's the War the Roses,

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and we'll start with the root cause of the War

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of the Roses. A lot of people say in England

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lies with the succession plan after the death of Edward

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the Third in thirteen seventy seven. Edward the Third himself

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set off the One Hundred Years War in thirteen thirty

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seven when he made claim for the French throne after

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the death of Charles the Fourth, who died without any

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sons or brothers, and his nephew Eddie three Styx was

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the closest male relative left.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was kind of common during this time

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period because of the way they were intermarrying and the

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way that things were passed down between generations. The King

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of England at a lot of times in the twelfth

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century owned more french Land or controlled more french Land

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than the King of France did.

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Speaker 3: A lot of ties between French and British.

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Speaker 2: Rule, and it just way, it trickled down like a

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Plinko game. It was like, Oh, my third son inherits this,

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but he's now also technically the king of England.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's related to Yeah, everyone's a cousin, brother, sister.

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Speaker 2: It's true.

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Speaker 4: Mother, Is this happening during the Hundred Years War? Oh? Okay,

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it's a war within a war.

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Speaker 3: There's a war inside a war inside of war.

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Speaker 2: Well, every son is kind of a badass. Do you

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talk about him?

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Speaker 3: And Assembly of French Barons decided the crown should go

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to a native French born royal and promoted Charles's cousin Philip.

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five generations. Edward the Third's two eldest sons, Edward the

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Black Prince, who was one of his best commanders in

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the hunter Ear War. He was commanding, but he died

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of dysentery a year prior to his own father's death,

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and his second eldest son, Lionel, was poisoned by his

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in laws and passed in thirteen sixty eight. So if

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you want to expand on the Black Prince, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say his he died before

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his dad, and then you were talking.

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Speaker 3: About his dad's death.

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Speaker 4: He died from the poops.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was my thing, I know. So the

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Black Prince was a pretty fierce warrior and he had

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to go out on the toilet.

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Speaker 2: He was sick, nasty, He was very damon targarian.

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Speaker 4: But he died very much like Tyrian Lanbister Kaiwan Taiwan. Yeah,

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we have to get those names.

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Speaker 3: So there are a lot of parallels. Obviously. George R. R.

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Martin talks about the War of Roses being the inspiration

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four Game of Thrones. He actually said he doesn't write fiction.

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He takes history, scrubs off the serial numbers like a gun,

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and then just ramps it up to eleven. Those are

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his own words.

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Speaker 2: Accurate, accurate, then.

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Speaker 4: Adds a little bit of dragons in it, well.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of fantasy.

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Speaker 2: As you missed Laps episode that I was here, we

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talked briefly about a dragon.

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Speaker 3: We did, don't but that was Roman times. Yeah, that

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was the Punic War episode. So his two oldest sons

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are dead he himself passes away in thirteen seventy seven.

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He had three remaining sons, John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster,

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Edmund of Langley, first Duke of York, and Thomas of Woodstock,

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Duke of Cloyceester. I don't know. Some of these English

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towns are just the mouthful Cloychester, Cloycechester, They're not important.

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The two big houses you need to know for this war,

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it's the Lancasters.

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Speaker 2: And the Yorks, the Pepsi and the Coke of.

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Speaker 3: The Lanisters and the Starks. Essentially, the White Rose was

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the Yorks, the Red Rose or a Lancasters Lanister, same thing.

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Speaker 4: So that's why a civil war.

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Speaker 2: The roses based off the flowers from three generations earlier.

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Speaker 4: From the yellow from the Yellow Rose and the Red Rose.

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You're saying back to the stripper thing. Yes, do you

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know how this ends, Georgio?

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Speaker 2: I do not you know?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think we need to pick a side already

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without even I don't know how this ends. So it's

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either maybe I should root for the Yorks and he

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roots for the Lancasters, or you choose. I'll let you choose,

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since I'm putting this out here, I don't know, Lancaster,

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you will Lancaster, I'll go York, all right, go York.

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I'm going York.

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Speaker 3: Boy.

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Speaker 2: If I were to look at George R. Martin's tellings,

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things get messy and one person may win for a little.

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I don't know if they'll win forever.

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Speaker 4: I'm going with the old Yorks.

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Speaker 3: Well, war is not that simple. Ever, it's not good

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versus evil?

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Speaker 2: Is war over?

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Speaker 3: Not cut and dry. There's so many twisting turns.

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Speaker 4: Don't care. I'm going for the Yorks.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well that's fair.

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Speaker 2: So what year are we in right now?

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Speaker 3: So this is thirteen seventy seven?

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Speaker 4: Cool?

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Speaker 3: This is when Edward the third dies. Now he passes

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up his three remaining sons in favor of Edward the

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Third's grandson through the Black Prince's own kid, Richard.

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Speaker 2: So little explanation of how this works is the firstborn

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son then becomes heir to the throne, much to the

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dismay of his uncle's right. Then his firstborn son becomes

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next up. I don't know how that works in American politics.

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But who's ever after the vice president?

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Speaker 3: There's no comparison to the American politics.

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Basically, his younger brothers get jumped for his kid.

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They're all Kennedy's even though he's already dead. But he

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was such a g people were like, yeah, we're gonna

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go with them instead.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so his old the Black Prince is the

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oldest son.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he is his son. He has a kid, so.

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Speaker 4: He is a proper heir to the throne.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this kid technically, but Richard the Black Prince's son

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was only ten. He's only ten years old. He is

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a child.

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Speaker 4: Everyone has a claim to the throne if you really

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think about it.

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Speaker 3: The young King, Richard the Second, who became known as

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Richard of Bordeaux, took over in thirteen seventy seven and

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let his uncles John and Thomas call the shots of

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his regency council.

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Speaker 4: So this would be like, this is the.

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Speaker 3: Black Prince's son who's ten takes over.

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Speaker 4: So he's like like the third and the fourth born

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of the Eddy three sticks be like, hey, you guys

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are in I'm you know, I'm just a kid, you guys,

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can I know.

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Speaker 3: It gets a little confusing because the names are very similar.

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lot of Edmunds, and that's kind of why people can

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play in Game of Thrones. But he's literally just ripping

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off history.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. So he became king at ten, like

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he got power king in name only.

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Speaker 3: He really gets crowded, like when you come of age.

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I think it's like sixteen at this time, then you

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fully have power. But at this point his uncles are

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calling the shots.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: And they each kind of have their own sub sect house.

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two main players, the Lancasters and the Yorks.

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Speaker 2: The Yorks are really like the bad team in this.

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Speaker 4: Stre I don't think New Yorks are We'll see, you know,

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we'll see how history goes, because I don't think these

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Lancasters are no goods. That's what they are.

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Speaker 2: They're casters.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to ride with the Lanisters, go.

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Speaker 2: Ahead, No like spellcasters. Team York Ancaster. Okay, the longer

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the name, the better. Who wants to be ruled by

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a York doesn't even sound royal.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying it.

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Speaker 2: Sounds peasant like. It sounds like it's giving your outfit.

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Speaker 4: How dare you? I work hard in my fields?

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Speaker 3: They handled the ongo one hundred Years War and the

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peasant revolt in thirteen eighty one that came from an

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unpopular tax used to fund the one hundred year of War.

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The older he got, the more Richard started to squeeze

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out his uncles, became a true monarch and shrank the

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amount of allies around him while putting a target on

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his back. Meanwhile, in France, most of the territory gained

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under his grandfather Edward the Third had been lost, and

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Richards saw to negotiate a peace treaty with the French

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King Charles the six, which would make England a client

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kingdom of France.

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Speaker 2: So we went from just I'm amazing Edward the Third

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rule he goes down is probably one of the greatest

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his rule and then his leny she gets kind of

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Speaker 3: A lot of this is kind of marred with the plague.

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there's a lot of plague. So plague.

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Speaker 4: So how long has one hundred Years War been going on?

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Speaker 3: It?

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Speaker 3: It started in thirteen thirty seven, about forty years.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we still got sixty years left. I guess

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they're not making full peace, is what I'm figuring out.

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Speaker 3: It's ongoing, it's not constant. It's just like, oh, we're

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gonna take France now. Oh we're gonna go back in England.

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Speaker 2: But France is up right now. So England was up

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big during Edwards the third, taking so much of it,

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like we're gonna make a run at all of it.

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Speaker 4: So like this is the this is the finals, and

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England was up two oh and then like Francis tied it.

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Speaker 3: Up more or less. Yeah, they've pushed back. English Parliament,

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which mostly consisted of actual nights fighting the war, rejected

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the hell out of this treaty. Richard went on and

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negotiated the deal with Charles the sixth anyway without their permission,

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agreeing to marry charles the six six year old daughter.

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Richard then spent the next few years exilent in executing

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his political opponents in years known as Richard's Tyranny, and

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many historians believe he developed several personality disorder that caused

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him to become more paranoid Okay, so he's a little

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bit of a schizophrenic.

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Speaker 4: So you said that he what type of kingdom is he?

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Speaker 2: For France?

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Speaker 4: Then like that that was the treaty.

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Speaker 3: He was trying to negotiate a peace deal with Charles

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the Six because he was getting his ass kicked in France,

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and agreed to marry Charles the Six's daughter at the

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time six and he at this point, I think, so

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this is around He's still a teenager.

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Speaker 2: He's a teenager with multiple personality disorder engaged to a

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six year old who then starts just off and people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, excellent people. History is fun, isn't it? And this

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is oh he is No, this is not part of

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the Lancasters or the Yorks.

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Speaker 3: This is just Richard, right, that's just Richard being Richard.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, as long as he was out of York,

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that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: This led to him taking the titles in the land

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of his cousin, Henry Bohlnbrook when his uncle John of

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Gaunt died in thirteen ninety nine, So big unk. That

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helped kind of with his early years, his early preteen

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years as king. He dies and then his cousin he's like,

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fuck you, dude, that's my land.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's the king.

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Speaker 3: Henry. Then, you know, as one does when you get

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all your titles and lineage and all the things promised

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to you taken away. He builds up his own little

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small force in France, and when Richard went on his

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expedition to Ireland in thirteen ninety nine, Henry himself just

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invaded England in June of thirteen ninety nine, meeting little

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to no resistance. His support rapidly grew amongst the disenfranchised

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nobles who were being persecuted against in Richard's uh kind

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of two year run of tyranny. They allowed him the throne,

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and Richard, upon return from Ireland, was like, hey, what

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happened to my kingdom? And they're like you got to

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go to prison, brother.

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Speaker 4: So so he's like, nah, fuck you, cause I'm taking

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Ireland all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go, I'm gonna

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take it. I'm gonna go to Ireland really quick. And

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then he comes back and just I was like, should

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have done that. I'm the king now, yep.

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Speaker 3: He's like, you took my land. I'm taking I'm taking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can have it. But it's coming back in

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the package deal, so rest it.

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Speaker 4: So was he French then or he just built up

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a force in France.

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Speaker 3: So the English and French at this time they're they're

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very they're both they're muddied, yeah, because they're they're kind

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of not smard to get each other related.

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Speaker 2: So it's really easy to get some that just want

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to get together and go kill some other ones.

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Speaker 3: Bolingbrook becomes Henry the Fourth and after a few failed

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attempts known as the Epiphany Rise in which was a

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group to rescue Richard from imprisonment, the former king stars

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to death and the conspirators were executed. Huh, so there

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goes Richard. He just dies like a bitch.

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Speaker 4: See rich at least he didn't die. He did the

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exact opposite way of his dad. Not from the poops,

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from the lack of he wished.

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Speaker 3: He pooped. Richard supporters and Whales popped off with the

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rebellion of their own.

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Speaker 4: Then the Soviet Union kill all of them.

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Speaker 3: Went Wales, Wales.

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Speaker 4: I was just listening to that episode before I came in.

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Speaker 3: Dude, there were so many Wales before the Japanese and

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Soviets took him out. You could just jump into the

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water and there was a helicopter. Yeah, Tutors are kind

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of the the main g's that are going off in Wales.

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The Welsh, their Welsh Royalty. They control everything in Wales,

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and they'll come into the story later on, but for now,

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they're just gonna kind of start their own rebellion when

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they see an opportunity now that Richard's gone.

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Speaker 4: So England controlled Wales during all this too, and then

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they're gonna rebel against Henry in the futures. What you saying,

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little Okay, gotcha?

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Speaker 3: So William the Conqueror, it was like in the ten

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hundreds or something. He brought all the kingdoms of England together,

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and then further on, I think closer to it might

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have been under It wasn't Edward the Third, but I

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think Edward the First is the one that united all

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or he got like Wales and the United scott Kingdom.

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He got all the kingdoms.

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Speaker 2: Later known as the United Kingdom.

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Speaker 4: He was like uh Agon the Conqueror. William well, okay,

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William was the conquer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Edward the First I think was more like a

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Taiwan lanister, gotcha. Henry the Fourth continued to fight off

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challenges to the crown until his death of fourteen thirteen,

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and was succeeded by his son Henry the fifth. Henry

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the fifth goes on to invade France in fourteen fifteen,

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claiming they were funding the Welsh rebels and that he

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had a dynastic claim to the French throne as well,

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because everyone did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, running back to basically Edward the third, I

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have the sick name. I'm like part French. I could

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basically run France two all end this one hundred year war.

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I am the rightful king. Come at me.

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Speaker 3: More or less. Henry the fifth does work in France.

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He fought off a lot of his destined relatives and coups,

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wiped out a good part of the French nobility. Give

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him legitimacy to the Lancaster monarchy, and in fourteen twenty,

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Henry the Fifth and Charles the sixth signed the Treaty

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of Troy's, which agreed that Henry would marry his daughter

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Catherine and their heirs would be excellent line for the

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French throne. Also, Catherine has a lot of roots in

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Scotland or not in Wales. I'm sorry with the Welsh

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and the tutors.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Katie.

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Speaker 3: So Henry the fifth after kind of taking you know,

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he was doing some boss shit in France. He dies

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in fourteen twenty two, also of dysentery. The poops leave

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him behind a one year old infant son as their heir.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so this is even worse than the ten year old.

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Speaker 3: It's much worse. So you can see how it kind

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of gets the way it does. Okay, it's just a

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lot of people having you know, child kings, a lot

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of uncles that feel slighted.

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Speaker 2: It causes a big morality problem though, because you want

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to do what's right, But is what's right supporting this

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one year old child because that is the true born lineage,

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or what is what is right? Supporting the person you

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think is going to help the realm them most. It's

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it's a moral paradox.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. If I'm a commoner, I'm not going to listen

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to this one year old. Yeah, what's he going to

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tell me to do?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't think he's going to tell me anything.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he reigns very much, does he.

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Speaker 3: His uncle Humphrey sought to become Lord Protector until Henry

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the six came of age, so no, Henry, Henry the

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six is around a long time, so this would be.

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Speaker 2: Handing towards the protector of the realm.

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Speaker 4: This would have been I assume Henry the Fists brother.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so his uncle Humphrey Henry the sixth, was

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Humphrey's vie. Humphrey was kind of chill actually, but his

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half uncle, Cardinal Henry Beaufort, opposed the idea and there

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was a bit of a power struggle over regency as

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Henry the six could not walk, let alone rule.

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Speaker 2: Well, we knew that it was going to be a

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long regency because as a one year old, yeah, you

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have like a good sixteen years of king.

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Speaker 3: Basically he's not getting crowned, so all the uncles.

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Speaker 2: Are like, it's not quite king, but it's like king light,

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it's kids diet king.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, his crown is one of those like head shaping helmets.

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Speaker 3: He went to Burger King and they just like pieced together. No,

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Henry the sixth, he officially gets crowned at like seven

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in response to a French thing, but he doesn't really

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have powered all sixteen, so.

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Speaker 4: He makes it there. He makes it to least sixteen.

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Speaker 3: You know, well, they're not killing an infant, there's no

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they do it in Game of Thrones. Well spoilers, dude,

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I don't say when I know. So. Meanwhile, France is

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bucking Joan of Arc is just taking dubs against the English,

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like left and right. She is reversing many of the

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games by Henry the Fifth. Henry the six is crowned

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at seven. Like I said, his mother remarries Owen Tudor

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and she bores two of his son, Edmund and Jasper Tudor.

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So these the tutors he's just got to kind of

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pay attention to. In the background, they're they're.

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Speaker 4: Doing they're doing their tutor thing.

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Speaker 3: They're kind of just like circling the waters. They're they're

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staying out of it most of the time. They're just

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in exile and just kind of like looking from beyond,

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but they're ready to strike.

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Speaker 2: You, like the fifth man of any good NBA team

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or sixth man of any good NBA team.

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Speaker 3: In the background, they're not They're they're like a scout.

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There's just they're just watching things happen. For the most part.

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Speaker 4: They're not York. So I don't care for my York boys.

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Speaker 3: Why is down. Henry the six grows into his position

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under the tutelage of William de la Pole, Earl of Suffolk,

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and marries the niece of the French king, Margaret of Vanjrew. Margaret,

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now this is this is the the baddie, is she?

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Speaker 2: Well, she makes Joan of arc like a little bitch.

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Speaker 3: Well, she is essentially sirty. Okay, So through a pact

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negotiated by William, so like the guy that's kind of

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bringing Henry under his wing, he's he introduces him to

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his wife. But things go south with the advisor. William

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is exiled and executed, and the position is followed by

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his boy Richard. But then things there's a little bit

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of a power struggle. Margaret gets her guy in, who

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is Edmund of Beaufort, Earl of Somerset, and.

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Speaker 4: This is pretty much getting him out of like the

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counsel counsul to.

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Speaker 3: The king like hand of the king.

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Speaker 4: Gotcha.

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Speaker 3: Margaret walks all over Henry the sixth, and she even

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has an affair with Edmund that was so public that

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many just believe their heir, Edward of Westminster, was a

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bastard from the jump.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so she she's got a little side pe and

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she said, no, I'm going to keep you in the kingdom.

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I'm gonna make you hand so I can you know,

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I'm walking over my husband and I got my my

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slam piece on the side that's actually ruling.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So her her little side dick, she places in

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a position of power to advise her husband. Got you,

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and you know, if the husband needs to go away,

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she can play.

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Speaker 2: You know what I was thinking about, cook, that's the ultimate.

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You just cookeed the King of England.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she dude, I'm telling you. She's so They

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refer to her as the Wolf of France. She's cutthroat.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Why don't we exile people anymore?

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Speaker 3: Because they always come back. I think we learned through history.

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If you exile somebody, especially Napoleon, he only came back stronger.

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Speaker 4: Exile and banishment sounds so cool. The only time you

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get like band is from like a video game or something. Anymore.

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Speaker 2: You even wants to watching The Count of Money Cristo

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too much. I don't know this is cool.

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Speaker 3: Being banished so the English get their ass whoops in

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France to the point that it officially ends the one

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00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,720
hundred year War in fourteen fifty three, Henry the sixth

472
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,759
does not take this well, has a complete mental breakdown.

473
00:24:20,039 --> 00:24:23,480
He essentially goes a wall in the realm, just disappears.

474
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: So his dad had just like screw Henry Finn got

475
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,359
so much lamdmank was doing work. And then Henry six

476
00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:31,680
just like takes over Arc just completely.

477
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: He's a baby for the most part. And then Joan

478
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,599
of Arc does her thing. France pushes back and by

479
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,000
the time he takes over, yeah, it's it's bad news.

480
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,680
He loses most of what his father gained and then

481
00:24:45,759 --> 00:24:51,200
he just has to sign a treaty. Is very, very

482
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,839
mentally unstable, just thinks like this is who George R.

483
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,599
Martin actually bases the mag King off of Okay, you

484
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,359
know he he goes crazy nuts, He goes a well

485
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,359
in the realm, doesn't even bother to name his newborn

486
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,559
the air. A Regency Council is established to rule, and

487
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:15,200
Richard of York his name Lord Protector. In fourteen fifty four,

488
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:21,200
Let's go Richie York actually imprisons Somerset. So Margaret's side

489
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:24,000
piece who everyone thinks is the father of the prince.

490
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,559
Speaker 4: Uh, get that side dick out of here.

491
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like, we need to take care of this

492
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,599
this guy got He's first off, he's dumb. He's not

493
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,640
a very good advisor.

494
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:33,559
Speaker 4: He's just hot.

495
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 3: He's just flinging dick to the queen. Yeah, and he

496
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,480
probably fathered this bastard prince.

497
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we need to get that.

498
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: We need to get rid of this dude, so there's

499
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:47,240
at least legitimacy to the Prince. I like the way

500
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,240
the father dies, like the way the Yorks are moving

501
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:53,519
so far. So Richard actually has his best interest initially

502
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:58,440
for Henry the sixth. He's still like, that's my boy.

503
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,839
I know he's a little crazy right now, but we

504
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,119
need to like set him straight. He got kind of

505
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:07,680
pussy whipped. This woman's walking all over him. We need

506
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,720
to set her straight. We need to take that dude

507
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:13,839
out her little side piece, and we need to have

508
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,319
some stability to the crown.

509
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 2: That's what you're saying is getting getting cooked as a

510
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,759
king can drive you into.

511
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,319
Speaker 3: Madness and losing a war like the war so the

512
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,119
hundred your wards, like the First World War. Yeah, Richard

513
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:39,240
is then no longer Lord Protector in fourteen fifty five

514
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,119
because Henry the sixth just gets the shit together. He's like,

515
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,440
you know what, I'm back boys, I can do this.

516
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,079
Speaker 4: I like to think that Richard helped him and doing that.

517
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,799
Speaker 3: I think so too.

518
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,319
Speaker 2: I think getting the toxic girlfriend out of your life

519
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:51,720
can help you so much.

520
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,400
Speaker 4: She's still around, just more that she got.

521
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 3: Rid of the boyfriend. Yeah, or he got rid of

522
00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,519
her boyfriend. But maybe he likes being cooked because Henry

523
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:04,759
the Six releases Somerset from the Tower of Lunch.

524
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,319
Speaker 4: Oh I'm sure, I'm so. He he Henry six pretty

525
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,799
much like, no, I'm good, I'm going to take power again,

526
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:14,519
and then releases the side dick. He gotta think that now.

527
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,160
He's like, no, listen to me. And then she's like,

528
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,599
all right, I'm back in power now, I'm gonna yeah.

529
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,039
Speaker 2: Yeah he was never good.

530
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 4: Oh now that you're back, babe, can you can you

531
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,359
release Somerset? Like since you're you're back in control now.

532
00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: This is junkie toxic mentality right here. This is this

533
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,640
is this is I need to get back with the

534
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,480
toxic X who treats me terribly. I'll do anything. She says,

535
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:37,559
let's get a cheesecake factory.

536
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 4: So he releases the sky. What happens then.

537
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,759
Speaker 3: And he exiles his boy and Lord Protector Richard of York.

538
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,359
Fuck fuck Henry the six I know, no, Nah, So

539
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,519
you're gonna really ride for the fucking Lanisters, the Lancasters.

540
00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,799
Speaker 4: So okay, So Lancaster is is she like?

541
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: That's Circe and everything, Henry Lancaster. They're all Ancasters, the Yorks.

542
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,079
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I just want to make sure that your boy.

543
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,079
Speaker 3: Is the Lord Protector. He is.

544
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 4: Look, I'm rich s or York Lord Protector just got exiled,

545
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,079
and you're Henry the Sixers getting cooked.

546
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,079
Speaker 3: You have to understand you're kind of like Ned Stark.

547
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: Henry's been through a lot.

548
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 3: Man.

549
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: He's basically the child actor of the time.

550
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: He was king.

551
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,079
Speaker 2: Gotta do was one, didn't know what to do. His

552
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,000
uncles took advantage of the throne, drove the crown into peril.

553
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:30,559
Like his dad had it built up, his uncles drove

554
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,480
it into heck. France came back. He had assigned some treatings.

555
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,079
He didn't want to treat the battie wife. He thought

556
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,000
he had was getting some d on the side. Who's

557
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:42,319
now all of a sudden, his advisor can streuss a

558
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:42,799
man out.

559
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess.

560
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: So it's crazy how long Henry the sixth last because

561
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,440
of all these things that are happening. I guess they

562
00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,400
just feel bad from enough that.

563
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,119
Speaker 2: Gets hooked on the zans, gets gets clean, comes.

564
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:58,039
Speaker 3: Back whether like he's not really an issue, Like we

565
00:28:58,079 --> 00:28:59,720
can rule the kingdom without him.

566
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,279
Speaker 4: He's the Biden very much.

567
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: So Richard of York, he gets exiled. Of course he's

568
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,240
gonna raise an army in May of fourteen fifty five,

569
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,559
and he hopes to intercept and attack the Royal Party

570
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:19,960
at Saint Albans before they reach a newly established council.

571
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,799
Richard brought along an army of four thousand to challenge

572
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,119
Henry and his two thousand troops south of London on

573
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,960
May twenty second. On May twenty second, fourteen fifty five.

574
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,319
Speaker 2: So my ex hand is trying to jump me. Now

575
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,960
you're you're literally this is just like Mike Pence came

576
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,480
back and was trying to.

577
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: Get this is no. This is what it is is

578
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,519
that like you're constantly telling your boy that like, no,

579
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,079
your your exes, no, your girlfriend's cheating on you. This

580
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,880
is why you're in such a bad place. You need

581
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,240
a break up with her and he finally does it,

582
00:29:54,519 --> 00:29:56,759
and then he gets back together with her and says, no,

583
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,799
you're camping by friend anymore. He's like, all right, the

584
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,279
only recourse I have now is to beat the ship

585
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:03,519
some sense into you. So this is what he's doing.

586
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:07,319
He's just like, all right, gonna beat him up. That's

587
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:08,000
what this is.

588
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: That's strikingly good Rogeric.

589
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,599
Speaker 3: On one side was Henry and Margaret's family, the House

590
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,799
of Lancaster. On the other side of the Richard family,

591
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,880
the House of York. This was essentially the first real

592
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,640
battle of the War of Roses, so everything else was

593
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,759
kind of preamble and like everything that led up to it,

594
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,799
this is what kind of kicks off the War of Roses.

595
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,559
Speaker 4: That was all lore. We're into it now, now we're

596
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:34,759
off to it. We're off, folks.

597
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: Richard had a decisive victory at Albans and took Henry

598
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,440
the sixth prisoner after finding the king hiding in a

599
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,480
tanner shop, while Somerset and many of his other key

600
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:52,119
rivals of Richard were killed in action. So he got

601
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,599
kind of the best of both worlds. He got to

602
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:56,960
kind of capture his homie, maybe try to talk some

603
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,440
sounds into him, imprison him, but maybe you figure things out.

604
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't want it. He doesn't kill Henry. He

605
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,640
just he wants to be like. You know, you're still

606
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:06,519
being like, I'm trying to help you out.

607
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: Because if you killed the rightful king, everyone knows they

608
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,519
would turn on you. And you're just trying to manipulate

609
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,039
me because you're stopping me from being with the batty.

610
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,960
Oh my god, you don't want me to be with

611
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,400
the batty.

612
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: You picked the wrong side, and you are regretting it.

613
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,279
Georgia the York are Now I have to defend it.

614
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:23,240
Right now.

615
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: I like this. I like having to pick a side

616
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,240
and just sticking to your guns. Yeah, because there's a

617
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:31,400
lot of parallels to modern the modern world right now

618
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:31,960
in politics.

619
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't no matter whay I have the wrong guy, But.

620
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: I don't care. I made my decision.

621
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,519
Speaker 4: I don't matter what the facts are. I picked my side.

622
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: Look, I love her. You said you accepted that, and

623
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,359
then now you've crossed me as my boy.

624
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 4: So now you're Henry the sixth and I am Richard.

625
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,759
If you're like, all right, we got this. So yeah,

626
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:49,920
so he gets his boy back and he kills the

627
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,440
side dick and like a lot of other people. So

628
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,680
that means, okay, like where this is going.

629
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: Richard of York is once again appointed a Lord Protector

630
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,720
by Parliament.

631
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,599
Speaker 4: He has a claim to the throne, right he's probably yeah,

632
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,519
so well by power. But does he not have a lineage?

633
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:07,359
Speaker 3: I'm sure he does.

634
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Everyone, like I said, basically, everyone's tracing it back

635
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:12,079
to Edward the Third.

636
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,079
Speaker 3: At this point, he secures his succession to the throne

637
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:18,160
through the Act of the Accord in fourteen sixty. This

638
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,240
meant that Richard was now in line to become king

639
00:32:20,319 --> 00:32:22,960
ahead of Henry the Six's son. So he is the

640
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,880
Lord Protector, but now he's like I found a little

641
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,200
bit of a I found a path to become king.

642
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: Which are not his offspring, like as in like if

643
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,359
Henry the Six dies, I am now the king. Oh

644
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:37,279
I like this?

645
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,319
Speaker 2: Yes, this seems like a trap.

646
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: Well. After Richard took control of England, Henry the Six

647
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,599
went into hide in but he was then captured by

648
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,440
noble families who supported Richard. Margaret of Andrew raised her

649
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,079
own army by forming an alliance with Scotland and France

650
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,640
to get power back for her husband and support and

651
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,240
secure the throne for her son Edward. In December fourteen sixty,

652
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,359
the Lancaster Army and Richard's Yorkis forces fought against each

653
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,839
other outside Sandal Castle near Wakefield. Richard of York and

654
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,279
his oldest son Edmund were killed. Henry the Six was

655
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,960
restored to power. So that bad day for your boys.

656
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:23,599
Speaker 2: Fuck that, let's good.

657
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 4: So at this point, Henry the six it was still

658
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,799
the king. He just went into hiding and like he

659
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,920
ran away and said like, no, no, come back here,

660
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,880
you're still the king. And then his wife was like,

661
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,319
but he's not really the king, so we're gonna fight you. Yeah,

662
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,599
that's how I went, all right, So the wife praise

663
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,240
the army.

664
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 3: She took power back. Yes, he's like, I'm tired of

665
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,599
not being queen.

666
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he but she still technically was, but just

667
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,799
not power wise because he was hand the king. Still

668
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,039
he was still having Henry the Six being the king.

669
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,400
But he ran away pretty much.

670
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: I was an exile because you were raising such a

671
00:33:58,920 --> 00:33:59,240
he you.

672
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: Were in an exile, ran away like a little bitch

673
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,839
you would raise. I had to go tell one of

674
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:05,119
the noble families to go pick you.

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: I had to go help.

676
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 4: They called me up. They said, yeah, he's actually at

677
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,880
our house. He said he doesn't want to be home.

678
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: I had to call Scotland to help me.

679
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:13,639
Speaker 3: Bro.

680
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 4: No, your wife did your your cheating bitch wife did well.

681
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 5: She rules.

682
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: Richard's other sons, Edward, George, and Richard continue to fight

683
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,960
the War of the Roses and try to win the

684
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,159
throne for the Yorkist fall In the Battle of Wakefield,

685
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,400
Yorkist blocked Lancasters from entering London. The Earl of Warwick,

686
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,880
a powerful noble, crown Edward.

687
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,639
Speaker 4: That's where the lineage goes. It was supposed to be.

688
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,639
If Henry the Six dies, is supposed to go to Richard,

689
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,360
and then Richard of York and then through the rest

690
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,599
of his family. Yeah, so, but and then like but

691
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,239
but then there was Edward Henry six actual son, and then.

692
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,039
Speaker 3: So Henry the six still very much alive. Okay, his

693
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,440
son also a lot along with his wife Margaret.

694
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:03,159
Speaker 4: Okay, so the p.

695
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: But Richard Richard of York dead, also his sons or

696
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,360
one of his sons, Edmond is dead. His oldest surviving

697
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,880
son is then crowned king by the Earl of Warwick,

698
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,320
who was a powerful noble.

699
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 4: Oh while Henry the Six is still a lot Yep,

700
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,119
this is not even so.

701
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:22,599
Speaker 3: Now was the battle of two kings?

702
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,039
Speaker 4: They're saying, like, screw it. No, the orcus us Yorkis

703
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:29,280
are saying, no, no, we don't even see six is king.

704
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,639
We don't recognize Richard's son is king. So Warwick's decision

705
00:35:34,679 --> 00:35:37,760
to crown Edward as king left England with two kings.

706
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,360
Edward the Fourth, who is a lot of people compare

707
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,400
him to a mix between Robert Barrathian and Rob Stark.

708
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: Okay, large man, so very good at war, a bit

709
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,480
of a whore. He liked to drink like the fuck

710
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:53,840
got around.

711
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,159
Speaker 4: This is Edward the Fourth, Edward the Fourth, Eddie boy,

712
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:00,199
very good at battle, very.

713
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,119
Speaker 3: Are you good at conquering? But yeah, he had his vices.

714
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:03,960
What to drink?

715
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: You have to hit the bars seem cooler at this point.

716
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:08,400
I'm not gonna lie.

717
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: The shoes. Yeah. You have the House of schizophrenics, yeah,

718
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:20,679
and young people bad time and it's a bad time. Yeah. Yeah,

719
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,559
we're just I mean, the Yorks are just fucking conquering.

720
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: You know the fact that we have New York I thought,

721
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,960
you know, probably York's were the better, better choosing that,

722
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,559
you know, Old York, New York. But I wasn't sure.

723
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,199
I'm glad I got the Yorks. At least I hope

724
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,440
I still continue glad I got the Yorks.

725
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:42,679
Speaker 3: We'll see. Edward the fourth and the Earl of Warwick

726
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,320
march north and fought the Lancaster Army at Talton, New

727
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,679
York in March of fourteen sixty one. Talton was a

728
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,199
victory for Edward the fourth and the Yorkist Army. Fuck yeah,

729
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,239
and it was one of the most violent battles ever

730
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,079
fought in England, with an estimate of over twenty eight

731
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,639
thousand deaths, which is insane back then. I mean, it

732
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,880
doesn't really touch or broach Chinese numbers, but we kind

733
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,719
of were over those do. Punic numbers aren't that bad either,

734
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,000
the Punic. The real death in the Punic War comes

735
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,199
from just people drowning. Yeah. The ocean, the ocean with

736
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,159
the ocean took so many casualties.

737
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 4: I'm not unaware of Plague had a lot too. Though

738
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,800
plague took a lot.

739
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,159
Speaker 2: Didn't the plague take like one third of Europe?

740
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,039
Speaker 3: But I'm talking this is one battle. This is twenty

741
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:37,960
eight thousand dead a plague month. People kind of overestimate

742
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,599
because of movies and TV shows and stuff. Battles were

743
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,400
kind of like little skirmishes. Yeah, these weren't like twenty

744
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,159
thousand people dying in one swooping.

745
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 4: Even the interception battle was four thousand verse two thousands,

746
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,719
So even if everyone died in that one was six

747
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,599
thousand people, Like, how did.

748
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,639
Speaker 2: You challenge a kingdom with four thousand people?

749
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 4: It was a It was a riding party, slowly rise

750
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,880
in it. They were intercepting the royal party. Wasn't like

751
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,840
a full on all my army first all it was.

752
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: It was a surprise attack. Yeah, they only had two thousand,

753
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:10,440
so they outnumbered them. They double you're.

754
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: Such a trader.

755
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,079
Speaker 4: How could anyone, oh what type of trader captures the

756
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:19,280
king back to put him back on the throne, Like that's.

757
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: Out on a bender because of his royal blood.

758
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,639
Speaker 4: No, I think if there's anyone on a bender, it

759
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:28,960
sounds like it's this Edward the fourth who just won.

760
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,480
May have lost some troops, maybe like half a twenty

761
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,000
eight thousand, but still doesn't matter. When's a win, win's

762
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,199
a win.

763
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,159
Speaker 3: Maybe many of the higher Lancasters were killed. Henry the

764
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,760
six again flee. He flees to Scotland.

765
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,039
Speaker 4: This guy can't stop running away.

766
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,519
Speaker 3: With Margaret and their son Edward.

767
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 2: Look me and the wife when you go on vacation

768
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:53,360
were an album mode. Kendrick hit us with a hard diss.

769
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 4: She's looking for a new side piece. But you want

770
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,760
to talk about betrayal. We're here to fight her.

771
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,079
Speaker 5: Barber boy Earl of.

772
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:06,159
Speaker 3: Warwick, who initially names King Edward the fourth King, he

773
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,400
abandons his support in fourteen seventy, I've abandoned my boy

774
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,519
after he resisted his attempts to form an alliance with France.

775
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:19,000
Warwick was angry that Edward married someone who was not noble.

776
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,719
Oh so this is a very uh the rock Stark thing. Yeah, okay,

777
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,480
so Warwicks which asides because he's like, dude, marriage is political.

778
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,239
You have to get something out of it. You need

779
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,000
to go, you know, negotiate with France, marry one of

780
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:39,199
their daughters. You need to kind of bring everything together.

781
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:41,840
You can't be you can't be marrying a lowborn.

782
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta marry some other royal member or some

783
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,519
like noble and then you can keep your side piece

784
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:49,559
and just appoint him to like hand or something like that,

785
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,599
Like she can be a migrant, did you know, just

786
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:56,480
be some servant. Sir Cole would not be happy with

787
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:58,320
this though, so maybe she wouldn't been happy either.

788
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,119
Speaker 2: I mean this is a very circle.

789
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 4: I get what you mean. Yeah, this is very much

790
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:07,400
rub off the serial numbers and we got and we

791
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:07,840
got Doe.

792
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, George R. Martin does not create anything.

793
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,039
This is all just riped from He's a big historian.

794
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:14,960
We'd love to have him on the show. We love

795
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,719
so Georgia, if your we'd love him to finish the

796
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,760
fucking book first. But true, So Warwick had support of

797
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,719
the French king of the time, Louis the eleventh, provided ships,

798
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:31,239
men and money, and he hops over to Henry's wife, Margaret,

799
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,239
we'll put this crazy person back on the throne who

800
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:35,960
had just fleed.

801
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 4: So after this was the guy that crowned Edward the fourth,

802
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,840
the king the biggest opposition to them. She's like, a yeah, sure.

803
00:40:48,039 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: Because everyone knows I'm the rightful king, buddy.

804
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:54,159
Speaker 3: Because Warwick's like, hey, man, I thought I believed in something.

805
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:58,039
I believed in this man, but he married a fucking poor.

806
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, yeah, she's all right, I get I

807
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:03,920
completely agree that your allegiance has switched now because that

808
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,559
is just who would do that? So hold on, I

809
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:09,760
guess off a little tangent here, what's the difference between

810
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,039
a duke and an earl? Like why could the earl

811
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,119
crown him king? And it be like people are like, yeah,

812
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:15,639
that's right.

813
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,599
Speaker 3: What's a king to a god? What's a god to

814
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,719
a nun believe?

815
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,599
Speaker 4: Okay, I think that answered my question.

816
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: Don't believe. It's just titles, like I don't know. So

817
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,360
I guess status, more money, more land, more people to rule.

818
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:35,559
Speaker 4: Interesting, they're all related.

819
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: It's ranking above a viscount and below a marquise.

820
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:43,039
Speaker 3: That helps so much Gorgian would you like to kind

821
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,960
of you would probably want to be a viscount, right,

822
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Like that's where you want to You don't want to

823
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,760
go higher than that because then you're kind of you

824
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:50,800
have a target on your back.

825
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 4: I want to be a baron. That just sounds fun.

826
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: That's more French.

827
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 2: Oh so a marquise is above an earl but below

828
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:03,679
a duke, so earl would be below duke.

829
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:10,199
Speaker 3: Okay. Warwick Lands in England on the south coast and

830
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:16,599
overwhelms Edward's support. Edward fled England and traveled to Flanders,

831
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,679
which is now part of Belgium and Europe. Henry the

832
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:24,960
sixth was then briefly again put back on the marble throne.

833
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:29,159
This guy can't stop winning by no actions of his own.

834
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,639
He just keeps running away and people go and find

835
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,440
him and say, no, I don't want to I don't

836
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:39,480
want it, very Kanye. Just here, man, here's a crown.

837
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,480
You drop this.

838
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: Nah nah.

839
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: They well, just because everyone wants to keep on putting

840
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,800
him on, because no one wants to actually be the king.

841
00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:49,559
They just want all the power being kid.

842
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: They want to manipulate it.

843
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,559
Speaker 4: They want every like the realm to blame him for

844
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,639
the batsubs happening if you fuck up, so like you

845
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:57,719
want to rule in the shadows.

846
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm the most puppetable king.

847
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 4: Yes, yep, yep, so hod So they lost because of

848
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,719
this overwhelming But is is Eddie Eddie four? Is he

849
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,159
still alive?

850
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,159
Speaker 3: He's still alive? Okay, he flees to Belgium. Yes, yes, yes, yes,

851
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,320
you said. On the fourth of May fourteen seventy one,

852
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:20,519
there was a decisive battle for the Orcist at the

853
00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:25,480
Battle of Twkesbury. Edward the fourth returned to England from

854
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,079
Flanders after he gathered an army with support from some

855
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:33,239
English nobles and his brother in law, Charles of Burgundy.

856
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,239
The Lancaster army was on their way to Wales to

857
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,880
join another force when they were cut off by Edward's army.

858
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,480
Rather than escape, they decided to fight. The Lancaster forces

859
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:48,360
were pushed back and defeated. Fuck you, King Henry the sixth,

860
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,199
only son and heir Edward was killed on the battlefield.

861
00:43:53,679 --> 00:43:57,199
So Henry the sixth no longer has succession plan, he

862
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,599
no longer has a child.

863
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: We Yeah, I forgot that out.

864
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,119
Speaker 3: That's a that's a future Lancaster problem. Yeah.

865
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 4: I don't think Eddie. I don't think Henry's figuring this

866
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,920
one out. He's probably just gonna fucking run away again

867
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:10,360
or something.

868
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,159
Speaker 3: Margaret was captured and paraded through London, where she remained

869
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,920
until the French King Louis the eleventh ransomed her in

870
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,119
fourteen seventy five, so she ultimately goes back to France.

871
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,719
Happy ending for Margaret, she didn't really face any consequences

872
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,199
for her actions.

873
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,079
Speaker 2: Kind of a savage though she was.

874
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,119
Speaker 4: I mean she was a big player in all this.

875
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 3: Following his victory at Talwksbury, Edward march to London, arriving

876
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,679
on the twenty first of May, and Henry the six

877
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,239
would not escape this. He was executed on Edward's orders.

878
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 4: No more running away, little boy.

879
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: Yorks.

880
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: We had a good run. Oh you did it. I

881
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:00,719
thought we had enough to tell gets to win it.

882
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:03,599
Speaker 4: He had a long run, but it wasn't not a

883
00:45:03,639 --> 00:45:04,280
good run.

884
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 3: Edward the Fourth had a pretty good and peaceful reign.

885
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,599
And of course he was hitting up brothels. He's just

886
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,559
left the party. He didn't really do much under his run,

887
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:16,320
but it was peaceful.

888
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 4: It's he he was a conqueror, not a not a ruler. Yeah,

889
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,719
you know, it was just like all right, well I

890
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,159
got it, very Robert Brathian. Everything was in peace.

891
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:30,079
Speaker 3: He ruled until his death in fourteen eighty three. His

892
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:33,920
son became King, Edward the Fifth. He was only twelve

893
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,199
years old when he became king. So again, man, it's

894
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
always these young kings the start issues.

895
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: This is the this is the oldest of the young

896
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:43,960
kings that we've gotten so far. It's been ten one

897
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,679
and now twelve. So at least he's got two more years.

898
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: Got something. But I don't think his father was around much.

899
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,119
I don't think he yea, he taught him anything.

900
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: He was too busy banging horse.

901
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: It's hard work.

902
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: His son, Edward the fifth, takes the crown at twelve,

903
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,519
and his uncle Richard was lord protector for Edward until

904
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,719
he becomes of age sixteen.

905
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 4: Right, that's pretty much the So when you're saying he

906
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,000
takes the crown, just that usually means that, like Edward

907
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,400
the fourth died or do they ever pass the crown

908
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,039
on before hid?

909
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Edward the fourth dead. So Edward the fifth

910
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,440
takes the seat, but you know he's too young to rule.

911
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,440
He needs to learn under his uncle, of.

912
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Course, So there is a ceremony in which he is crowned.

913
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. Richard then claimed that he was aired to the

914
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,039
throne and crowned himself king instead.

915
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: The fuck?

916
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: Why because he said Edward the Fifth was illegitimate?

917
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,079
Speaker 4: Oh my han okay, and so this is not no

918
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:52,719
side piece there? Why why do you say this?

919
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,039
Speaker 2: All right?

920
00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:59,039
Speaker 3: Because Edward the fourth married a poor, dirty peasant, which

921
00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:03,400
he's tainted the line he's illegitimate, Not because it isn't

922
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:04,320
the wife.

923
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 4: It's not because it's not Edward the fourth son. It's

924
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,880
because he is. He's half he's half poor, he's half poor.

925
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:16,920
I get it. Okay, interesting in this like he's thetor

926
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,159
but is he also he's the brother of Edward the

927
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,159
fourth Okay, so he's his uncle, gotcha?

928
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah?

929
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 3: Did uncle's always be taking power?

930
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 4: That makes sense. I mean if there was, if Edward

931
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:31,039
the fifth didn't happen, I guess rightfully would go to Richard.

932
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 2: So I guess it's like you might respect your brother

933
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,599
to be king over you, but then his dweedy son,

934
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,039
his ship son. You're like, no, no, no, I'm basically poor son,

935
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,679
like I would beat him in two k sometimes, so

936
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,760
like I should be king.

937
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,599
Speaker 4: It's a little dweeb. Mother's mother was a peasant. That

938
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,000
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Speaker 3: So this is Richard the Third who becomes king and

1035
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:29,079
the two young princes, including Edward the fifth, disappear in

1036
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:30,199
our never seen from again.

1037
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 4: They were murked, all right, they got murdered, all right, han,

1038
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:38,920
So so we're kinda I'm I'm still with the Yorks,

1039
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,320
I guess, but we won. But this is now we're

1040
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,239
all on York territory. Huh. All right, well I'm not

1041
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,559
feeling as good about this, but always.

1042
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: Now it's York on you, York crime.

1043
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 3: Killing a twelve year old and his brother who.

1044
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 4: You never know what happened. They could have just got

1045
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,519
exiled and banished, and you know, they could have.

1046
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: Had a happy life, a peaceful life somewhere they didn't

1047
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,119
want power. Are like, you know what, we'll work on

1048
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:01,639
this ship.

1049
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, they could have had a great life. You don't know.

1050
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: They just disappeared from the fucking woodwork. Henry Tudor, My god,

1051
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,760
that is Henry Tudor's music. My god, it's Henry Tutor's music.

1052
00:53:16,519 --> 00:53:20,199
His roots with Catherine and the early Lancasters raised in

1053
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:27,079
exile over you know, with in Welsh royalty. Didn't have

1054
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,760
any issues, didn't have any problems. He had a claim

1055
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,840
to the throne through sus back through the Lancasters.

1056
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:41,519
Speaker 4: Okay, because she remarried, right that the Catherine remarried the Tutors,

1057
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,159
and Catherine was whose original wife Edward the third, not

1058
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:53,719
ever third, Henry the fifths. Yeah, okay, so so you're

1059
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:57,320
you're Henry six your mom's so this is like his

1060
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,719
half cousin.

1061
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: My mom.

1062
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 3: So Catherine is Henry the Fifth's.

1063
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,079
Speaker 4: Wife, which is Henry the sixth mom, and she goes

1064
00:54:08,159 --> 00:54:13,159
up and remarries and has children, my half brother. So

1065
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:13,880
it's your half brother.

1066
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. And Henry Tudor he's got shooters in Wales,

1067
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,440
in England, in France, he is the king of king.

1068
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:26,280
Speaker 4: So Henry Tudor is Catherine's son, right, okay, so yeah,

1069
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,760
your half brother is all right from the rafters here

1070
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,079
we go.

1071
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: Well, no, he's like the grandson of Catherine or like

1072
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,079
the great grandson of ten like.

1073
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:35,559
Speaker 4: Okay, so your half nephew.

1074
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:37,119
Speaker 2: Yes, it gets even.

1075
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,599
Speaker 3: I'm confused, your half brother. I need to do like

1076
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:40,119
a chart.

1077
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, a little tree, so it's okay, but either

1078
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,119
way makes sense. It's more of a half.

1079
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,639
Speaker 3: Sibling thing, and he makes his run for the crown.

1080
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,000
On August twenty second, fourteen eighty five, Richard the Third

1081
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:01,199
and Henry Tudor faced off in the Battle of Bosworth Field.

1082
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,119
Henry Tudor had the support of many rich and powerful people,

1083
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,480
and initially the powerful Lord Thomas Stanley and his brother

1084
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:13,400
William were undecided who they were gonna support, so they

1085
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,360
were gonna fight kind of right by their kingdom, their

1086
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,119
castle there a little hey, what are they doing over there?

1087
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,920
They're fighting on their land and then like you whose

1088
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,960
side are you gonna be on? And like we're gonna wait, yeah.

1089
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:28,639
Speaker 4: Leave us out of this for now. We'll see how

1090
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:30,840
it goes. We'll see how the winds shift.

1091
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,119
Speaker 3: And the Stanleys committed a force around five thousand troops

1092
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,559
at Bosworth, so their decision over which side they supported

1093
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:40,440
was crucial. It was an extra, you know, kind of

1094
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,159
little boost.

1095
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,519
Speaker 4: We will support the winning side, but sir, which basically,

1096
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:48,880
whichever side you support is the winning side. No, no,

1097
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:50,280
we will support the winning side.

1098
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,639
Speaker 3: We're gonna support both sides so that we come out

1099
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,440
on top. Yeah. I played both teams, but they split

1100
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,559
the army, which, dude, he's just coming late. You're like that,

1101
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,079
you're coming in the fourth quarter of course, Like, oh,

1102
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,719
that side's already winning. Yeah, he was supported the whole time.

1103
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sweep up.

1104
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 4: Remember when we were there and like we totally help

1105
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:11,880
you win that.

1106
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,039
Speaker 3: Bro, you look so fresh. Why does your armor have

1107
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:15,119
like no scuffs on it?

1108
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:16,519
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?

1109
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: Ultimately, Henry Tutors win the battle. Ah, Stanley's hop on.

1110
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:28,840
They're a little bandwagon. Yeah, nobody circles the wagons like

1111
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:29,519
the Stanleys.

1112
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 4: That's pretty much exactly what they think. They said, all right,

1113
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,320
well we're sporting the winning side, so would the Lancasters

1114
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,199
are pretty much kind of back in control. But not

1115
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:39,599
like the Lancasters.

1116
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 3: Well, Richard's killed, his forces fled. Richard was the last

1117
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,639
English king to die on the battlefield. Actually I think

1118
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,079
he for some I think they just found his bones

1119
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:52,480
or something under a parking lot. Yes I could, yeah, yeah,

1120
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:55,559
yeah that happened. Yeah, so he's the last English king

1121
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:57,000
to die on the battle foot and he was buried

1122
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:57,840
under a parking lot.

1123
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Well that well, the parking lot came late.

1124
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 4: Okay later, I'll just saying us York's we leave from

1125
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:02,960
the front man.

1126
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 3: When his body was found many years later, it showed

1127
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,239
that he had eleven wounds that were certainly from battle.

1128
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,199
He received fatal blows to the skull and back, along

1129
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,079
with injuries all over his body. So he went out

1130
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:18,679
like a gangster.

1131
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:21,639
Speaker 4: You know, that's the York way man.

1132
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:27,079
Speaker 3: After Richard's death, Henry Tudor was crowned King Henry the

1133
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:31,280
seventh and married into the York family, bringing the two

1134
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,719
houses of Roses together. Oh, thus ends the war the

1135
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,599
Roses because of the Tutors. And this is kind of

1136
00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:39,639
when the Tutors take over. And so how do you

1137
00:57:39,679 --> 00:57:43,280
want to know about them? There's a very popular TV show,

1138
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,519
Happy Little ending there. I guess, I guess. So we

1139
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:47,960
both won.

1140
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:55,199
Speaker 2: Basically, the inbreds came together into form one super inbred.

1141
00:57:55,679 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: More or less. Yeah, cousins, brothers, serious lovers, sign had

1142
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,159
it all man. He never really did backstabbing.

1143
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that earl, that earl guy, just because he married

1144
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,880
a dirty poor I.

1145
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 3: Think my favorite character in all those probably Richard of York.

1146
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,199
He was seemed to be the most like honorable.

1147
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he definitely was, and like maybe he was constantly

1148
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,440
putting Henry the fifth six back on the throne because

1149
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,320
he wanted power, but it also just seemed like he

1150
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,599
was trying to like, well, no.

1151
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,079
Speaker 3: He ultimately turned against him because of his wife and

1152
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,800
he gets exiled exactly, but he was always looking out.

1153
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 4: For He was always bringing him back and being like, no,

1154
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:40,119
you're the king.

1155
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,199
Speaker 2: No, if you find a way to make peace with

1156
00:58:43,239 --> 00:58:44,159
your bros. Girl.

1157
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 4: He was trying to guess up this king all the time,

1158
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,599
and his girl was just in his ear saying like,

1159
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:51,920
I don't like you hanging out with him.

1160
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: Pretty much, and then brought her new guy in. He's like,

1161
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,880
here's your new best friend. But then he's going to

1162
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,880
be dicking me down on the side. Yeah, you should

1163
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,400
take advice from him.

1164
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,519
Speaker 3: What'd you guys learn today?

1165
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:08,599
Speaker 4: I learned that history's nuts, that this was very game

1166
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:13,679
of thronesy, and that Henry the sixth was the biggest

1167
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:15,559
pussy of all time and just kept on running away

1168
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:16,559
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1169
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:22,199
Speaker 3: He had mental issues, okay, fine, but he kept running

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away before it was cool.

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Speaker 2: Don't put pussy on a pedestal m. Don't raise up

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your kids thinking they're special from a young age.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't don't call your son a king at one,

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you know, let him become a king or a king.

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Speaker 3: If you're a king, don't die while your son's you know,

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a boy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't die from the hershey squirts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Definitely cook your meat better, like wash your vegetables.

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Speaker 4: This all could have been served better diets, and that

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brings a say, sponsor better diet.

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Speaker 3: I know. The biggest warriors in the story too, all

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died distant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the greatest kings, I'll die just except no, not

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the greatest king. Richard the third, right, died on the battlefield.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Richard the third. They found his bones. You said,

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where underneath the park parking lot of like a soccer

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team or something.

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Speaker 2: No, that was that was That wasn't Richard. That was

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Richard the Third's Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay.

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Speaker 3: Under Lancaster, the lads just grabbing some pines running into

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medieval bones.

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Speaker 4: So I guess Tenley the tutors had the claim to

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the throne through Catherine, so it's through like the woman's

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side and not the Henry the fifth and Catherine.

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Speaker 2: They were ready kind of a noble family though ahead

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of time it was more of like when they joined

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up with Catherine.

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Speaker 4: It kind of like, but Catherine remarried into the Tutors, right,

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so then like that claim came from Catherine and not

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from Henry the fifth.

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Speaker 3: It's both. It's just like have essentially Henry the seventh,

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Henry Tutor, he just has all the infinity stones, gotcha.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Catherine was once married to a king, so that

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makes her like queen status.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying if she.

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Speaker 2: Were to marry someone else next, that would raise them

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up a little. And they already came with a little

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bit of something.

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Speaker 4: So that's where they that Henry the seventh went back

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to saying, hey, or here's my claim of throne because

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my grandma that we think was the queen at one point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Henry the sixth, his mother was Catherine. Yes, she

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marries the Tutors, so yeah, she they have roots all over.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so the line goes through I guess.

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Speaker 3: And her two sons were Edmond and Jasper, so I

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think Henry is her grandson.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So it works less in like the like

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theological math, but it works better when you're like, oh,

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these two big squads just want to like squad up.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and then so then Henry the Fifth, Catherine's husband

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01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:04,079
is a Lancaster, right, or is Catherine Lancaster? They're both Lancasters.

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That's how it all went. So it was Lancaster all

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the way up until the Yorks were like no, no, no, yeah,

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01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,320
more or less makes sense. Okay, So good for the tutors.

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I guess they won with Stanley. Stanley just doing nothing,

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that's the real winner of this all. He has had

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a big battle on it on his front doorstep and said, we'll.

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Speaker 3: See what happens. You know which way the wind shift.

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Speaker 4: Hey, either way, I'm coming up on top of this.

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This is what it was like. Hey, you're fighting on

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my lawn. I get to choose what side I picked.

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Speaker 2: These are wait, some real big brain things for such

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an early time.

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Speaker 4: They're fighting out there. Should we join them?

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is kind of what ends the Middle

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Ages and brings about you know, the brainess holes technically,

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I guess, so yeah, yeah, that's the big brain shit

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that happens.

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Speaker 4: So the War of the Roses. To sum this up,

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the War of the Roses was fought between the Lancasters

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and the Yorks, and it was ended because the tutors

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ended it, so pretty much this whole war was ended

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by the tutors.

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Speaker 3: And he brought the houses of the flowers together, the

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white and the red o. How beautiful, poetic. Some would

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01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:22,079
say who's today's We like to say Hitler of the show.

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So somebody that was the worst character in the story.

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Speaker 4: I would say Richard does say what the one guy

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01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:38,599
that got sent to dungeon and starved? Okay, yeah, the

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one that Henry the Fifth's cousin when Henry because Henry

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the Fist, the one that got all of his titles

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01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,440
taken and then came back and was like, no, I'm

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01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,880
the king now. And Richard you're in a You're you're

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in the dungeon. You're gonna starve to death. I would

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01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,559
say that Richard guy, because he was the one that

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was exilent ever won. So Richard the second, Richard the second, Yeah,

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I think he was. He was a Hitler.

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Speaker 3: He he did have technically a period referred to as

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Richard's tyranny.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think that's that's my vote, and that's me

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being side York, not even I'm not even gonna say

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01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:16,119
a Lancaster over there. That's how noble that's how humble

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and honorable I am that even though we had.

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01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:22,719
Speaker 2: Went out there, I really thin Branch of Richard the

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tyrannical tyrannical.

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Speaker 4: So I think I think I just answered the question correctly.

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Speaker 3: Dan for the video too, I'm gonna add in a

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bunch of images and maybe some kind of like family

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trees and.

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Speaker 4: Make this a little bit easier to understand.

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Speaker 3: Even as I'm reading this.

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Speaker 2: Of the episode is Joan of Arc.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to follow. Yeah, Joan of Arc, she sought

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01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:48,320
some problems.

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Speaker 2: Things were so prosperous when England was controlling most of

1276
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,239
France after both Henry the Third and Henry the Fifth.

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So I think think, yeah, you're saying Joan of Arc.

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Speaker 3: Just blaming a woman, classic Georgia, and I think that's

1279
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:09,840
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you for in my time of need, for the time

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of the realm, raising your banners for your.

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Speaker 4: King, which is King Henry the seventh.

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Speaker 3: Henry Tutor, bringing the house together well, Randy, where can

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the people find you?

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Speaker 4: People can find me at Randy Trombaki on TikTok, on Instagram,

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on Twitter, on everything that's r A N D Y

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t r E M b A c K.

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are doing there at Washed Media. I am the Dan

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of wash Media. I do all the video and the producing.

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Speaker 3: Georgia, what about.

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Speaker 2: You go follow my drunk Uncle's podcast. Uh, we have

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little different now.

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Speaker 3: Follow.

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Speaker 2: Mikey likes you podcasts as well.

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Speaker 3: Follow you want to plug your own ship or.

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Speaker 2: No, No, we may have a new there may be

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in the future.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well for Randy Georgia, I'm damn Chester and

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you just guessed us. There