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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBS Costin's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back everybody. Before we get back to

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<v Speaker 2>our topics, I just want to thank everyone who joined

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<v Speaker 2>us yesterday at the Neiroli Restaurant in Westwood. We had

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<v Speaker 2>a big crowd. A lot of people were there from

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<v Speaker 2>all over our Nightside audience in different different states. There

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<v Speaker 2>were one hundred and seventy eight people who made reservations

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<v Speaker 2>and I think most, if not all, showed up. We

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<v Speaker 2>had two seatings, one at noon and one at twelve thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank Joanna Douglas from the Neiroli Restaurant,

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<v Speaker 2>and most of all, I want to thank the Winnaker

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<v Speaker 2>Band Bo and Bill Winnaker, as well as Cindy Gail

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<v Speaker 2>their song their Chantous I guess would be the way

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<v Speaker 2>their singer Neil Green on the piano, and also doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Carp, a Bostonian by birth who graduated from Boston

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<v Speaker 2>Land School in nineteen sixty five and has had an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing career as an oncologist. He was there. He played

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<v Speaker 2>the piano a little bit for a little while as well.

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<v Speaker 2>There were lots of great people there. I met just

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<v Speaker 2>about everybody there spent three hours talking with nightside listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't eat lunch, didn't eat breakfast, didn't eat bunch, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want to call it, on Sunday between eleven and two.

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<v Speaker 2>But had a ball. And I believe that Marita has

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<v Speaker 2>posted a bunch of pictures on our Instagram account and

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<v Speaker 2>probably on Facebook as well. Check it out for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank all of you so much. It has been It's

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<v Speaker 2>just was a wonderful day. It was a cold, windy,

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<v Speaker 2>late April day, a perfect day to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>nice restaurant in Westwood. It recommended highly and it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really a blast. So I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>say thanks to all who showed up, and maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>do it again, simple as that. All Right, We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>right now about the Karen Reid case, the Karen Reid

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<v Speaker 2>case that is now being in its sect, its second trial,

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<v Speaker 2>it's retrial, and I thought that today the prosecution had

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty effective presentation with this one witness, Ian Whitten,

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<v Speaker 2>who is a digital intelligence expert, who basically said that

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<v Speaker 2>the cell phone of the victim in this case, John O'Keefe,

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<v Speaker 2>was in the proximity of the front lawn for the

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<v Speaker 2>entirety from the moment that he left that vehicle until

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<v Speaker 2>his body was discovered around six o'clock. Left that vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>a little after twelve thirty, the vehicle driven by Karen Reid,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also there the digital forensics showed his least,

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<v Speaker 2>his examination of the cell phone showed that the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>of the battery dropped from eighty degrees down to thirty

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<v Speaker 2>seven degrees when his body was discovered. Now, make of

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<v Speaker 2>that what you want. I found it to be pretty effective. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of pieces of evidence and testimony that

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<v Speaker 2>this story's going to deal with, and who knows where

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<v Speaker 2>it ends up. I just think that the prosecution has

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple of pretty good days here and has

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<v Speaker 2>been more effective at the beginning of this trial than

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<v Speaker 2>it was at the beginning of the first trial. My

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<v Speaker 2>comments love to hear from you. Where we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>go next. Let's go to Mark in Cambridge has held over,

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<v Speaker 2>as has Amy and Lakeville and Alex and Millis. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to all of them, I promise. Let's go to

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<v Speaker 2>Mark in Cambridge. Mark your thoughts. If you had a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to review today some of the testimony that went

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<v Speaker 2>in from this this intel diligence digital intelligence expert.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, said effect Dan, how are you go?

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<v Speaker 2>Right ahead? Mark, I feel like I might have surprised

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<v Speaker 2>you here. Welcome, welcome, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say, yeah, Hank Gwenny

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<v Speaker 3>is good. I mean, I mean he put on a

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<v Speaker 3>good demonstration. I mean I didn't follow it one understand.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I have TV. I probably was sleeping anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was just seeing clip. I'm sorry, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the point, the point I made last hour, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be interested in your thoughts on this, Mark, is

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<v Speaker 2>that I think we have all become conditioned. Even the

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<v Speaker 2>skeptics amongst us have said, hey, this forensic evidence thing,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's d n A or you know, digital readings

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<v Speaker 2>of devices. Uh, you know, we all are familiar now,

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<v Speaker 2>I think with ways and those different items that can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you which way to turn in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>to get to where you want to get to, turn right,

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<v Speaker 2>turn left over the street. So I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be and we watch CSI this and CSI that. I

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<v Speaker 2>watch Tracker on Sunday nights, which is the way I

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<v Speaker 2>end my weekend. So I think all of us have

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<v Speaker 2>kind of come to the conclusion Hey, this stuff has

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<v Speaker 2>some has some probate value.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, I agree with you on that, Yes, it does.

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<v Speaker 3>I also want to say that.

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<v Speaker 6>This is what I don't like about. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 6>told you this before. You know, I've been watching Karen

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<v Speaker 6>read from Eclipse, and she's always smirking and think of

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, in my opinion, she thinks it's a joke

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<v Speaker 6>because she's smirking and smiling and like it's a big show.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know, I don't you know me personally,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't like that. I mean, you're facing a manslaughter case.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone, you're facing a second in the worst case scenario,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a second degree murder case. I mean, that's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the countries looking at She's looking at a second

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<v Speaker 2>degree murder, which is fifteen years before you're eligible for

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<v Speaker 2>parole in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Manslaughter as well as leaving to see of an accident.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also think that this is someone who she

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<v Speaker 2>at one point had a very you know, personal positive

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with and whatever the cause of his death, you

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<v Speaker 2>would think it would be something that that that she

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<v Speaker 2>might show a little more empathy, is what I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say. I mean, certainly the interviews that she did,

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<v Speaker 2>the TV interviews that she did between the trials, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think are going to help her with any jury

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<v Speaker 2>and that that evidently he's been at.

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<v Speaker 3>And also they say the police thinking this the big

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<v Speaker 3>cover up this, and I'm not I'm not buying that

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<v Speaker 3>theory because no law enforcement, at least the good offices,

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<v Speaker 3>no law enforcement office, is going to risk their career,

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<v Speaker 3>their houses and everything to plant evidence. I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not buying that, man. I'm just not buying that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well, I'm even taking it one step further

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<v Speaker 2>than you, Mark, and that is that if let us

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<v Speaker 2>say something happened in that house. If O'Keefe went into

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<v Speaker 2>that house and some sort of an argument ensued and

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<v Speaker 2>somehow some way someone pushed him or hit him, or

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<v Speaker 2>he fell down and he hit his head, and they

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<v Speaker 2>realized this guy's dead, well, the first thing to do

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<v Speaker 2>would be, I think, to call for e mts and

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<v Speaker 2>try to try.

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<v Speaker 3>To help, right exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then even if they came to the conclusion there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing we can do. He's dead. Do you plant him

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<v Speaker 2>on the front lawn? Do you just carry him out

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<v Speaker 2>of the house and put him on the front level.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, what are the chances that that as you're carryed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's he's you know, carrying him out down

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<v Speaker 2>the steps in a snowstorm, some some police cars going

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<v Speaker 2>to drive by, or any anyone's going to drive by way?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing there? Oh, friends, just had a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit too much to drink. We're just gonna put

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<v Speaker 2>him here at the front lawn to sober him up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, that's Harry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you know, like I said, Man, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>so that judge, Judge Coloney, I don't know, she's just

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<v Speaker 3>she geta found guilty. I think I truly believe this

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<v Speaker 3>because she thinks even Judge Colony told her, oh you

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<v Speaker 3>think this is funny. I remember that, And I tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>That was that was a comment that the judge made. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure that.

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<v Speaker 3>He's gonna ha her.

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<v Speaker 5>She's gonna hammer her.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't be surprised she'd take him in the customer

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<v Speaker 3>right then and there. I tell you she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're getting ahead of ourselves here, so we'll just

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just continue to focus on today. Hey, Mark, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your call. We'll talk again.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you much, thank you and Goo Celtics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I think they're doing pretty well. Thanks Mark, touch

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<v Speaker 2>you so good night. We got Amy and lake theyll

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<v Speaker 2>coming up. The only line that is open in six, seven, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. I don't want you to waste your time.

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<v Speaker 2>The other lines are full six one, seven, nine, three

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. We will if we if we go

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven, we will change topics at eleven, I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to get your thoughts in, now's the

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<v Speaker 2>time to do it. Coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan ray onell you Bzy

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<v Speaker 1>Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones we go, going to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Amy in Lakeville. Amy, appreciate your patience, Thanks for holding

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<v Speaker 2>through the news.

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<v Speaker 4>Go right ahead, Amy, no problem, Thank you so much. Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to start off first by saying I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a Karen Reed supporter and I don't think that she's

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<v Speaker 4>going to be found guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I did not work out in the way today, so

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't see the witnesses today, so I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>be watching it tonight. Sure, but I think that once

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<v Speaker 4>all the other witnesses, just like in the first trial

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<v Speaker 4>go through. I think there's a lot of ah situations

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<v Speaker 4>that are going to.

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<v Speaker 5>Continue to raise the reasonable.

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<v Speaker 4>Doubt and they're not gonna be able to convict her,

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<v Speaker 4>meaning that you know, the everybody getting rid of their

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<v Speaker 4>cell phones, the dog was rehomed, the basement was redone,

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<v Speaker 4>So I believe he went into the house and like

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<v Speaker 4>a previous caller said, everyone was drinking and they might

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<v Speaker 4>have been joking around. There was a lot of jim

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<v Speaker 4>equipments there and I think he it was I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was a total accident in his head, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sustained a skull fracture, and I think he was kind

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<v Speaker 4>of tossed out to the front lawn. And those bites

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<v Speaker 4>on his arm or those marks on his arm are

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<v Speaker 4>definitely dog bites. I'm a registered in the bergency department.

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<v Speaker 2>And give me, let me, let me gently challenge you

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<v Speaker 2>want it, okay, just for the fun of it. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bunch of you know, police or police related

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<v Speaker 2>individuals there. You know, police are not dumb by putting

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<v Speaker 2>him out of the front lawn. What is accomplished by that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, did they think like he's going to disappear overnight?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean out of sight out of mind.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but I think it's also suspect that

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<v Speaker 4>there was a retired chief across the street. There was

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<v Speaker 4>a retired Boston cop a thirty four fair View. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's odd. I mean, when there's flashing lights on

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<v Speaker 4>my street, I'm like, what's going on? I'll look at

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<v Speaker 4>and I might go outside. Nobody came outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they weren't flashing lights until.

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<v Speaker 4>The morning, right, well until the morning until six o'clock

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<v Speaker 4>from the ambulance.

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<v Speaker 2>Right at that point, people came outside. But what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying is if the people in the house knew that

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<v Speaker 2>something horrible had happened, okay, and whether it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>would they literally take the chance of, well, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>he'd been drinking whatever, or they would have taken him

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<v Speaker 4>I think there was also a kind of a contentious

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<v Speaker 4>you know his relationship with Karen and the text. It's

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<v Speaker 4>I watched the first trial, almost all of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>interesting that they put this, this these witnesses out now

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<v Speaker 2>So so let me ask you this, This the the

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<v Speaker 4>Okay with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did he testifying the first trial? Yes, Okay, And how

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<v Speaker 2>did the defense counter his testimony. I assume it was

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to think back. It was so long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Nope, I just didn't know. I found it to

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<v Speaker 2>to accept the concept of forensics evidence. Forensic evidence, whether

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<v Speaker 2>that uh, And that the temperature of the phone, the

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<v Speaker 2>battery went from eighty down to thirty seven. That would

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<v Speaker 2>have happened now you could you could argue, well, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>But John's temperature was steady when he got to good Smaradan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty cold. So that would say that somebody was

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<v Speaker 4>For sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So is it more likely than not in your mind

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<v Speaker 2>see him and she drove off. But the third option

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<v Speaker 4>In my mind, it's the third option, because he suffered

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<v Speaker 2>Then you think that this group of police officers inside

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<v Speaker 2>him in the front lawn. You don't think anybody said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>but is that what police officers under pressure would do

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<v Speaker 4>Or the second option that he tripped and he fell,

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<v Speaker 2>That would be more credible to me. That would be

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<v Speaker 2>I would think that if this is just me, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't covered this trial. So I would think that

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<v Speaker 2>if there were five or six police officers or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>The number was too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well police professionals who were there, that they would

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<v Speaker 2>have said, look, put him in a car and get

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<v Speaker 2>him out of here. Let's kick him up to the

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Hills and put him carry him, you know, sixty

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you think that they got you. You

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<v Speaker 2>you accept the fact that they just said, put him

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<v Speaker 2>on the front lawn. Don't worry about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, maybe they'll say the cloud hit him and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, we'll see. I also think that the

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<v Speaker 4>investigation from the get go was you know, okay, okays, Oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I think you're right on.

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<v Speaker 2>That go to agree with you that one. That's from

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<v Speaker 2>everything that I've read, every oppression I have. Well, look,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. I really do appreciate hearing from you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you'll continue to follow this and if at

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<v Speaker 2>some point your mind changes, let me know I will.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at you every day on the way home

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<v Speaker 4>from work. I get out very much.

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<v Speaker 2>And you work. You work obviously in the you work

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<v Speaker 2>as a.

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<v Speaker 4>Emergency in a community hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you. For what you do.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you for thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've seen my share of dog bites and they're

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thanks so much, talk soon, good bye, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>good night. Here comes the news at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>six one, seven thirty, coming right back on Night Shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Ray, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting reaction. We probably would do this at least

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<v Speaker 2>once a week, or more often if necessary, when they're

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<v Speaker 2>important witnesses. I was taken by the digital forensic testimony today.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see what Alex and Millis has to say. Alex

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<v Speaker 2>here next to on Nightside. I hope you had a great

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<v Speaker 2>Greek Independence Day yesterday, Alex.

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<v Speaker 7>It was.

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<v Speaker 8>It was awesome. My son marched and we were, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we had a lot of floats and I can my

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<v Speaker 8>hat's off to the City of Boston and the Boston police.

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<v Speaker 8>They really a couple of the police officers were holding

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<v Speaker 8>Greek flags. So that made me like really really, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>kind of uh, you know, so proud.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's let's talk about the Karen Reid reads

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<v Speaker 2>while go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, you know what they say if you cannot say

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<v Speaker 8>anything nice about a person, don't say anything at all.

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<v Speaker 8>But I'm gonna my mother told me, you like that

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<v Speaker 8>that rule. Actually, she comes he and reminds me of

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<v Speaker 8>remember Pam Smart. She comes across as very arrogant, and

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<v Speaker 8>the way she prances or walks, you know, and her attitude.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, the juris are going to see this because

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<v Speaker 8>they look at the body language, don't they. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I feel bad for the woman, but you know, all

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<v Speaker 8>she's known for is you know, a night of heavy

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<v Speaker 8>drinking with her police officer boyfriend, you know. And what's

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<v Speaker 8>that tell you? You know, is that is that like

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<v Speaker 8>being irresponsible? Now she's she was a professional. She was,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, an educator or whatever you find now.

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<v Speaker 2>She taught she taught business in college.

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<v Speaker 8>Yuh yeah. So if I'm on the jury and and

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<v Speaker 8>you know the way she she carries herself, it tells

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<v Speaker 8>me that she's kind of insensitive. I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>like you're not You're supposed to look at the facts.

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<v Speaker 8>But that's part of it too, you know, the body language.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will tell you that. The headline in the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Globe tomorrow will be expert testifies in Karen readtrial

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<v Speaker 2>that John O'Keefe's phone stopped moving soon after he was

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<v Speaker 2>dropped off at Canton home. That's by Travis Anderson's. That

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<v Speaker 2>will be their story tomorrow, I think in the globe,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll say, I mean, you know, we can make

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<v Speaker 2>judgments and what different people see in demeanor. I just

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<v Speaker 2>had the thought I talked about demeanor tonight has nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with her physical appearance. A demeanor is the

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<v Speaker 2>way a person carries themselves, and then you have to

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<v Speaker 2>mix in with that some of the television interviews. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why her lawyers allowed her to do TV interviews.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to me that maybe they are convinced she's innocent.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I believe there is a quote of public opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>I function in that in what I call the quote

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<v Speaker 2>of public opinion on behalf of Joseph Body and subsequently

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Lamoni, two men who were wrongfully and intentionally convicted

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<v Speaker 2>for crime they never had anything to do with. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of we had a lot of evidence on

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<v Speaker 2>that case that we described over time. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it was.

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<v Speaker 8>With the saphone data. That kind of tells me, well,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, maybe he didn't go in the house because

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<v Speaker 8>the temperature remained constant on the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Well, the temperature didn't remain constant. The temperature,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I thought. They said, No, No, the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone battery apparently dropped from eighty degrees to

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<v Speaker 2>as low as thirty seven degrees at the time that

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<v Speaker 2>his body was discovered, and that was that. Those are forensics.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are forensics from the phone. Unless the defense can

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<v Speaker 2>defeat those forensics, I think those are going to stick

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<v Speaker 2>in the mind of the jury. Alex again, glad you

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<v Speaker 2>had a great day yesterday. I got to keep rolling here.

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<v Speaker 8>Okayet your suits some by the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you much. Let me go to Lola in

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego. Lola is a big advocate for the innocence

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<v Speaker 2>of Karen Reid. Go right ahead, Lola.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, yeah, hi Dan, So you know we could talk

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<v Speaker 7>to the Kyles come home. So it's four different website,

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<v Speaker 7>four different pages on Facebook supporting Karen Reid that people

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<v Speaker 7>can go look and read and discover what we're all

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<v Speaker 7>talking about. So one particular thing, Well, before.

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<v Speaker 2>You get to that, I'll give you a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>publicize Facebook, But did you get a chance to watch

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<v Speaker 2>the forensic testimony that I came in today.

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<v Speaker 5>I did, I did.

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<v Speaker 7>I listened to that gentleman that was on the stands.

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<v Speaker 7>So there's all kinds of thing with me.

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<v Speaker 2>What was I'm just again as somebody that as someone

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<v Speaker 2>who believes in the innocence of Karen Reid, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that that hurt her case? Do you think it's irrelevant?

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<v Speaker 2>How would you describe it?

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<v Speaker 7>I'd say it's neutral. It's neutral because the phone temperature.

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<v Speaker 7>He could have dropped the phone when he walked in

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<v Speaker 7>the house and then they found it, and then they

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<v Speaker 7>brought it outside they couldn't. There's all kinds of speculation.

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<v Speaker 7>So you've got I don't know all the guy's names,

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<v Speaker 7>but there's a police officer who was an ATF guy.

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<v Speaker 7>He brought his phone to a military base and he

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<v Speaker 7>threw the phone in one dumpster, and he took the

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<v Speaker 7>simcat out and threw it in another dumpster. They destroyed.

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<v Speaker 7>They all the police officers that were there and the

423
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<v Speaker 7>people that were in that house, they all got new phones,

424
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<v Speaker 7>destroyed the phone. The dog went missing. They dug up

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<v Speaker 7>the floor. But this thing what I want to tell

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<v Speaker 7>you about, there's a picture of the SUV that was Karen's.

427
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<v Speaker 7>And there's a bump of god that sticks out so

428
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<v Speaker 7>you could, like, I guess, open and step in. There's

429
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<v Speaker 7>like a step thing that sticks out more, that sticks

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<v Speaker 7>out more than the tail light. So how could the

431
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<v Speaker 7>tail light hit him? The bumper the bumper thing would

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<v Speaker 7>have hit him first. He didn't have any injuries, like

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<v Speaker 7>at the lower extremities to say, well he got hit

434
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<v Speaker 7>from the from the bottom. But I'm loostening and I'm

435
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<v Speaker 7>reading all kinds of people's speculations and ideas, and so

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<v Speaker 7>remember it's reasonable doubt beyond a reasonable doubt. And so

437
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<v Speaker 7>Trooper Proctor getting he was the lead investigator and they

438
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<v Speaker 7>fired him. He was he was an officer that was

439
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<v Speaker 7>drinking and driving on the job. So you talk about

440
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<v Speaker 7>police and this and that this good police, there's bad police.

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<v Speaker 7>I also heard, and I'll just to shoot this that

442
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<v Speaker 7>John O'Keefe was investigating some kind of activity of people

443
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<v Speaker 7>doing some kind of trafficking. Because I don't have the details.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well again without without without the detail. First of all,

445
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<v Speaker 2>if you had the details, I would be hesitant to

446
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<v Speaker 2>talk about details. And without details, no, I know that

447
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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. So let me ask you this. You're

448
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<v Speaker 2>convinced O'Keefe went in the house, some sort of a

449
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<v Speaker 2>fight ensued and they realized he's dead.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, yes, because somebody in that Again, hold.

451
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<v Speaker 2>On, I'm just gonna ask you from what? From common sense? Okay?

452
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<v Speaker 2>So at some point someone said, what are you going

453
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<v Speaker 2>to do with this guy? Someone said, let's put him

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<v Speaker 2>on the front lawn. That's a good idea. Let's carry

455
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<v Speaker 2>him out to the front lawn. Is that how you

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<v Speaker 2>think happened.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, let me tell you why. It's just.

458
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<v Speaker 4>The guy lucky.

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<v Speaker 7>The plows of the street. He kept going around and

460
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<v Speaker 7>around and around, and he never saw anybody on the ground.

461
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<v Speaker 7>He was plowing all that night. Now, if anybody was

462
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<v Speaker 7>going to see a body, it would have been the

463
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<v Speaker 7>plow guy. You know how. I know that my dad plowed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's fine. My question to you is this, I

465
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<v Speaker 2>don't know how many times he plowed that street. My

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<v Speaker 2>question to you is this, you believe the body was

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<v Speaker 2>carried out of the house or transported out of the

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<v Speaker 2>house by the inhabitants of the house, right.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, because it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So my question then, is my question, then, is what

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<v Speaker 2>were they thinking. I mean, do you think one of

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<v Speaker 2>them said, well, you know what, do you think maybe

474
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<v Speaker 2>one of them said, you know, I got kind of

475
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<v Speaker 2>a funny suspicion. I'm gonna bet you that Karen Reid's

476
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<v Speaker 2>dropped him off, and she might have maybe her back

477
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<v Speaker 2>headlight is broken, I mean, think it.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I just told you why the headlight couldn't

479
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<v Speaker 7>be broken. It was crapped from something else.

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<v Speaker 2>So now if someone inside says let's put him on

481
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<v Speaker 2>the front lawn, they'll never find him there.

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<v Speaker 7>I think. No, I don't think that's no. No, I

483
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<v Speaker 7>don't think that's what they were thinking. I don't think

484
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<v Speaker 7>they were thinking that's what I think they panicked. They

485
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<v Speaker 7>were all drinking. Everybody was drinking, everybody, and not one.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Of them seeing another cop on the ground. Who just

487
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 2>someone beat the heck out of it. That didn't sober

488
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<v Speaker 2>anybody up. Everybody everybody at that point said no, hey,

489
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<v Speaker 2>let's let's keep this party rolling. Here. I don't know,

490
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's the thing. We don't we don't know. We're all

492
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<v Speaker 7>speculating based on the evidence, and we're just you know,

493
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<v Speaker 7>I'm rooting for this side. You can root for that side,

494
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<v Speaker 7>but I'm not room for anybody.

495
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I gotta tell you, I'm not rooting for anybody.

496
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<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting that that we somehow figure out what happened

497
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<v Speaker 2>here because a guy, and it could have been a woman,

498
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<v Speaker 2>but a person. Yes, yes, that's all all right, all right, Lola,

499
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<v Speaker 2>I got to run here.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks you, thanks for covering the story. And go on

501
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<v Speaker 7>Facebook and find those pages. Just google on Facebook. Just

502
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<v Speaker 7>put in question Karen, read all the pages who come

503
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<v Speaker 7>out all right?

504
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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, thanks Lola, thank you much. Let's keep rolling here.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to go to Jim in Holliston, one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite communities in Massachusetts. Jim, You're next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Dan, Thank you ahead. I don't understand the commotion

508
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<v Speaker 5>and the coverage of this because you know, she's nobody.

509
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<v Speaker 5>He's obviously an important person. He was a clop for

510
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 5>sixteen years in Boston. I don't understand the coverage. You

511
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<v Speaker 5>think she was famous or Kadashian or somebody from Beacon

512
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 5>Hill with something. But it's just you know, every time

513
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<v Speaker 5>I hear it on TV, I turn it off. I

514
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<v Speaker 5>turn it off on the radio. I'm so sick of

515
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<v Speaker 5>listening to it, I find it, you know, ridiculous. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>the inside information I had back a while ago during

517
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<v Speaker 5>the first trial was that the cops one of their

518
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<v Speaker 5>sons was dealing drugs. And uh, the officer I can't

519
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<v Speaker 5>think of his first name.

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<v Speaker 2>That got killed, well, John O'Keefe, do me a favorite.

521
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<v Speaker 2>Don't mention the name of an officer or the son

522
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<v Speaker 2>of an officer. So you think that that O'Keefe was

523
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<v Speaker 2>suspicious of someone dealing drugs, just leave it like that, please,

524
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<v Speaker 2>if you don't mind.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, they were suspicious dealing drugs, and he went and

526
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<v Speaker 5>reported it to the town. The town being the town

527
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<v Speaker 5>and being what it is, obviously covered itself. And whatever

528
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<v Speaker 5>actually happened at the party, I don't know, because obviously

529
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<v Speaker 5>no one does. But my understanding was that he was

530
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<v Speaker 5>beat up inside or the inside information that he had

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<v Speaker 5>given to the town.

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<v Speaker 2>So therefore, what you're telling me is an experienced Boston

533
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:18.200
<v Speaker 2>police officer ratted someone out or gave a tip to

534
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<v Speaker 2>the town about a drug dealer, and then he went

535
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<v Speaker 2>into a house where there would be some people in

536
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<v Speaker 2>that house who were somehow related to this alleged drug dealers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what you're telling me.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what the inside information that I have.

539
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<v Speaker 2>Well, again, whenever someone classifies it as inside information, I'm

540
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<v Speaker 2>not trying to diminish.

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<v Speaker 5>Comes from the Boston. It comes from people.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I'm not asking you to tell me who it

543
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<v Speaker 2>came from. Okay, I'm not asking tell me.

544
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<v Speaker 5>I don't spread rumors. Okay, let's do this.

545
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<v Speaker 2>There won't be any rumors at the trial. Let's see

546
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>what is presented in evidence at the trial. This is

547
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<v Speaker 2>now the second trial, and let's see if the result.

548
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<v Speaker 2>You know, a trial is like a scientific experiment when

549
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<v Speaker 2>you think about it. You know the type of scientific

550
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 2>experiments you did in high school in chemistry when you

551
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<v Speaker 2>were in a sophomore.

552
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<v Speaker 5>I've been to fifty of them. Yeah, my dad was

553
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<v Speaker 5>a trial lawyer for forty seven years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, Okay, great. So that's what I view it

555
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<v Speaker 2>as as a different jury can come back sometimes with

556
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>a different results. You hope that they are consistent, but

557
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>a different jury come back with different results. Jim, we'll

558
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<v Speaker 2>let it go with that. I got past my break.

559
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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to have you wait through.

560
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<v Speaker 5>The hold on second place. I don't think he's getting

561
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<v Speaker 5>the respect and the clarification that he should in this case.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't understand why everybody's spending their attention on

563
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<v Speaker 5>her and nothing on him. After you know, his his

564
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<v Speaker 5>brother's kids die, he took over, he took the net.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, that that will all. I'm sure that

566
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<v Speaker 2>that has all come in. That's been reported said. Okay, Jim,

567
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 2>hear that on the news.

568
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<v Speaker 5>All you hear about.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Jim, I got to run. I appreciate your call.

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<v Speaker 2>I took you before the break.

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<v Speaker 5>I thank you for your appreciate your patience.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you. Sometimes I do have patience. We'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, these lines are full. Let's keep rolling here. Let's

576
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<v Speaker 2>go to j D and Leminster. JD you're next on Nightside,

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<v Speaker 2>Go right ahead. Okay, not ready, JD, you're ready, let's go.

578
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<v Speaker 2>What's I'm your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead?

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<v Speaker 9>And so I'm gonna talk about see your callers there

581
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:50.880
<v Speaker 9>and you have been talking about. You don't believe that

582
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<v Speaker 9>they just you know, left them out there in the snow.

583
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<v Speaker 9>So my working theory is he'd go in there, where's

584
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<v Speaker 9>bad beef between all of them and the original plan

585
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<v Speaker 9>was to I believe that they didn't try to, you know,

586
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<v Speaker 9>kill him. I think that they just maybe that there

587
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<v Speaker 9>was a fight and he may become incapacitated to maybe

588
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<v Speaker 9>at a seizure, and they panicked and they think they

589
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 9>were going to bring him outside. And the plan originally

590
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<v Speaker 9>was they're going to bring him out, pock the car

591
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<v Speaker 9>there and have it blocked to view, and they're gonna

592
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<v Speaker 9>say in the morning that he was hit by a

593
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<v Speaker 9>plow and that would definitely explain the animal bites that

594
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<v Speaker 9>could look like abrasions from plow, and I could believe that,

595
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<v Speaker 9>and also with the head lacerations. And I think when

596
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<v Speaker 9>the car was moved, there was enough snow where they

597
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<v Speaker 9>could say he was hidden in the snow bank, and

598
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<v Speaker 9>that was an explanation. And I think in the morning,

599
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<v Speaker 9>when Karen Reid came and she might have said I

600
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<v Speaker 9>hit him because she was so scared, they mantally changed

601
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<v Speaker 9>their plans to say that that was much much easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's a little bit of a different spin,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. Appreciate that one, Jad, thank you much.

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<v Speaker 9>The other thing, Dan, I get one more time, do so.

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<v Speaker 9>The other thing, too is I'm in industry of public safety,

606
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<v Speaker 9>and I've seen a lot of people hit by motor vehicles,

607
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<v Speaker 9>and when somebody hits a man of that size, even

608
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<v Speaker 9>at thirty miles per hour without breaking, there should be

609
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<v Speaker 9>a lot more damage to the vehicle, not just to

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<v Speaker 9>tell like the rear corner. The Papa should have been damaged,

611
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<v Speaker 9>you know, and not eat if he was you know,

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<v Speaker 9>maybe kneeling down and they're saying that, and his head

613
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:06.640
<v Speaker 9>was at the level of the tail light. If she

614
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<v Speaker 9>would hit him, he wouldn't have fown back forty feet,

615
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:09.800
<v Speaker 9>would have be un over and there were no car

616
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<v Speaker 9>marks on his body. And that's my opinion on this.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks, Jad, appreciate your call. Thank you. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me go next to Matt and Florida. Matt Money, get

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<v Speaker 2>you in here before the eleven go ahead, and Matt.

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<v Speaker 10>Dan, you got to carry this in the next hour. Dan,

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<v Speaker 10>I really feel I'm kind of annoyed with you on this.

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<v Speaker 10>Are you really are you being deliberately obtuse about this

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<v Speaker 10>about why did they put the body in the front yard,

624
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<v Speaker 10>Like you've been on that for like the whole trial,

625
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<v Speaker 10>the whole case since it started, Like, oh, they put

626
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<v Speaker 10>him out there because they didn't want him near the

627
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<v Speaker 10>what actually happen. That's why it's not a stupid thing

628
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<v Speaker 10>to do if you if you're them. What I want

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<v Speaker 10>to know is the girl who showed up with Karen

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<v Speaker 10>Reid in the morning, Jenn mc I won't say her name.

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<v Speaker 10>She was the sister in law of the people in

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<v Speaker 10>the house.

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<v Speaker 5>If you your sister in law lives in.

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<v Speaker 10>The house, aren't you gonna go knock on the door

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<v Speaker 10>and be like, hey, hey, you gotta come out here

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<v Speaker 10>and help. This guy's dead in your front lawn. She

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<v Speaker 10>never even went to the front door to wake them up.

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<v Speaker 10>Anyone in the universe is gonna go run to their sister.

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<v Speaker 10>It's her sister. It's her sister and her brother in

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<v Speaker 10>law's house, and she doesn't approach the house at all

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<v Speaker 10>or try to get their attention. I mean, what the

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<v Speaker 10>hell is going on? It's so obvious. You got to

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<v Speaker 10>watch watch some of these documentaries.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad.

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<v Speaker 10>It's like, I just don't know how you can get up.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to limit myself to what I see in court.

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<v Speaker 10>Right, Okay, Well yeah, well you're not watching the case.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta see it.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just look, I am not predicting the result. I

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<v Speaker 2>am not following. I have a belief that I really

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<v Speaker 2>haven't expressed as to what happened. I just find it incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>incredible that when let's assume the guy was in the

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<v Speaker 2>house and he got they beat him up. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>assume that. Or let's assume someone threw a punch and

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<v Speaker 2>he hit his head and he he you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're telling me, at least the police that I know,

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<v Speaker 2>are going to say, what are we going to do

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<v Speaker 2>with this guy? We got a body here in our house.

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<v Speaker 2>What do we Let's put him in the front lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>That'll be a good idea. I don't think that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been the first thing they would have thought of.

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<v Speaker 11>They probably would have said, let's get him out of here.

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<v Speaker 11>Let's let's let's get him put him in the woods

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<v Speaker 11>somewhere so that, you know, he whatever, and he'll be

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<v Speaker 11>found six months.

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<v Speaker 10>Just say that part, Well, that's fair, that's fair.

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<v Speaker 3>So my apologies on that.

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<v Speaker 10>I didn't mean to come across that. You I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That I'm a big boy, Matt. I have friends, Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I are friends. Okay, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>express I love my best call, one of my best calls.

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<v Speaker 2>You're always yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>Good guy made the point, look at the evidence. They're

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<v Speaker 10>saying they're all asleep in the house, Well, then why

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<v Speaker 10>did the why are they moving their car around at

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<v Speaker 10>three in the morning when they're supposed to be asleep.

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<v Speaker 10>But the plow driver testify he's saying, and this is

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<v Speaker 10>the evidence that the plow guy saw saw the one

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<v Speaker 10>of their cars uh moving around at three o'clock like

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<v Speaker 10>it's because they I think they were gonna let him

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<v Speaker 10>leave the house on his.

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<v Speaker 3>Own, on his own.

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<v Speaker 10>And they eventually realize, holy crap, this guy's dead, Like,

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<v Speaker 10>we got to get him out of here. So they

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<v Speaker 10>moved them through the garage, they moved the car, uh,

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<v Speaker 10>and you know they're all lying there.

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<v Speaker 3>And then can I say one other thing real quick.

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<v Speaker 10>Why hasn't a single person from that house come out

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<v Speaker 10>publicly and said, you keeople are all insane, we had

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<v Speaker 10>nothing to do with this, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been so quiet.

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<v Speaker 10>It's it's so suspicious to me that not a single

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<v Speaker 10>one of them have come out to the news to

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<v Speaker 10>talk about it or anything.

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<v Speaker 5>It's so obvious these people buy it, got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got it. I love your passion and uh, let's

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<v Speaker 2>they say. I'm not insulted by your call at all.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm just no, no, you know, I'm just giving you.

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<v Speaker 2>The I listened today to this forensic expert who I

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<v Speaker 2>found to be credible. Did you happen to hear this

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the understand today or no?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I don't call him incredible because where was he

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<v Speaker 10>in the first trial. They just pulled this guy out

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<v Speaker 10>the right field, you know, like you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm told, I'm told that he did testify in the

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<v Speaker 2>first trial. I'm here anything, okay, I gotta run. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it, all right, let me get one more

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<v Speaker 2>in here, rob what do I have? Do I have

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<v Speaker 2>two minutes? Two minutes? Great, Well, let's go to Kristin

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<v Speaker 2>and Franklin. Kristin, won't you won't make you wake through

712
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<v Speaker 2>the news? You go right ahead. What's your take?

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<v Speaker 12>I can I'll be really quick. I talked to you

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<v Speaker 12>about a year ago to the day regarding this Keith. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 12>she did it. I'm getting stressed hearing all these fabricated

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<v Speaker 12>things people are saying. As you said, we've been testified

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<v Speaker 12>last year. People are not listening to the facts. Of

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<v Speaker 12>the case. They're on those Facebook pages. They're vile, they're

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<v Speaker 12>so much information that's been on your show tonight is

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<v Speaker 12>just not true. As you said, they're a bunch of

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<v Speaker 12>policemen there weren't don't even know how much everyone was drinking.

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<v Speaker 12>But Karen did they have cocktails and go out. Sure,

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<v Speaker 12>there's no conspiracy. This has been said by her prosecutors

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<v Speaker 12>for two years now, and I just can't even tell

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<v Speaker 12>you how much. It was a horrible accident and it's

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<v Speaker 12>just so hard to hear all this misinformation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, that's really hard. We entertained callers and that's

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about it. And just as these conversations are

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<v Speaker 2>going on in households across New England and across the country,

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<v Speaker 2>they're on Tonight or Nightside. I found the forensic testimony

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<v Speaker 2>today to be credible. I also believe that from a

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<v Speaker 2>from a societal point of view, this sort of testimony

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<v Speaker 2>is more credible today than it was twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>People now are saying, okay, DNA testimony, We accept that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know it's it has has a ring of

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<v Speaker 2>truth to it. But let's see, we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 12>Brennan is going to continue to clean up the holes

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<v Speaker 12>that the prosecution had last trial. And I really think

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<v Speaker 12>people are going to open their eyes and you know,

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<v Speaker 12>see the fact that maybe it wasn't clean enough to

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<v Speaker 12>show as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Left We'll see. I think I think Brennan has had

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<v Speaker 2>a better start than Lonley did. Let's put it like that. Kristin,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a run. I got it.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm not calling you in a year from now.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope to hear from you more often. Okay, thanks Kristin.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, tonight the BBC is reporting that the

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Corney's party will win

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<v Speaker 2>the election. Uh and certainly that is something that Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is not looking to hear. We will continue to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about Karen Reid on the other side, you folks

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<v Speaker 2>decide the subject at hand. Coming back on night side