Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray WBS Costin's Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back everybody. Before we get back to
Speaker 2: our topics, I just want to thank everyone who joined
Speaker 2: us yesterday at the Neiroli Restaurant in Westwood. We had
Speaker 2: a big crowd. A lot of people were there from
Speaker 2: all over our Nightside audience in different different states. There
Speaker 2: were one hundred and seventy eight people who made reservations
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Speaker 2: I want to thank Joanna Douglas from the Neiroli Restaurant,
Speaker 2: and most of all, I want to thank the Winnaker
Speaker 2: Band Bo and Bill Winnaker, as well as Cindy Gail
Speaker 2: their song their Chantous I guess would be the way
Speaker 2: their singer Neil Green on the piano, and also doctor
Speaker 2: Dan Carp, a Bostonian by birth who graduated from Boston
Speaker 2: Land School in nineteen sixty five and has had an
Speaker 2: amazing career as an oncologist. He was there. He played
Speaker 2: the piano a little bit for a little while as well.
Speaker 2: There were lots of great people there. I met just
Speaker 2: about everybody there spent three hours talking with nightside listeners.
Speaker 2: Didn't eat lunch, didn't eat breakfast, didn't eat bunch, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, on Sunday between eleven and two.
Speaker 2: But had a ball. And I believe that Marita has
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Speaker 2: Thank all of you so much. It has been It's
Speaker 2: just was a wonderful day. It was a cold, windy,
Speaker 2: late April day, a perfect day to be in a
Speaker 2: nice restaurant in Westwood. It recommended highly and it was.
Speaker 2: It was really a blast. So I just want to
Speaker 2: say thanks to all who showed up, and maybe we'll
Speaker 2: do it again, simple as that. All Right, We're talking
Speaker 2: right now about the Karen Reid case, the Karen Reid
Speaker 2: case that is now being in its sect, its second trial,
Speaker 2: it's retrial, and I thought that today the prosecution had
Speaker 2: a pretty effective presentation with this one witness, Ian Whitten,
Speaker 2: who is a digital intelligence expert, who basically said that
Speaker 2: the cell phone of the victim in this case, John O'Keefe,
Speaker 2: was in the proximity of the front lawn for the
Speaker 2: entirety from the moment that he left that vehicle until
Speaker 2: his body was discovered around six o'clock. Left that vehicle
Speaker 2: a little after twelve thirty, the vehicle driven by Karen Reid,
Speaker 2: and it also there the digital forensics showed his least,
Speaker 2: his examination of the cell phone showed that the temperature
Speaker 2: of the battery dropped from eighty degrees down to thirty
Speaker 2: seven degrees when his body was discovered. Now, make of
Speaker 2: that what you want. I found it to be pretty effective. Obviously,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of pieces of evidence and testimony that
Speaker 2: this story's going to deal with, and who knows where
Speaker 2: it ends up. I just think that the prosecution has
Speaker 2: had a couple of pretty good days here and has
Speaker 2: been more effective at the beginning of this trial than
Speaker 2: it was at the beginning of the first trial. My
Speaker 2: comments love to hear from you. Where we're going to
Speaker 2: go next. Let's go to Mark in Cambridge has held over,
Speaker 2: as has Amy and Lakeville and Alex and Millis. We'll
Speaker 2: get to all of them, I promise. Let's go to
Speaker 2: Mark in Cambridge. Mark your thoughts. If you had a
Speaker 2: chance to review today some of the testimony that went
Speaker 2: in from this this intel diligence digital intelligence expert.
Speaker 3: Thank you, said effect Dan, how are you go?
Speaker 2: Right ahead? Mark, I feel like I might have surprised
Speaker 2: you here. Welcome, welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say, yeah, Hank Gwenny
Speaker 3: is good. I mean, I mean he put on a
Speaker 3: good demonstration. I mean I didn't follow it one understand.
Speaker 3: I know I have TV. I probably was sleeping anyway,
Speaker 3: but I was just seeing clip. I'm sorry, you know.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, the point, the point I made last hour, and
Speaker 2: I'd be interested in your thoughts on this, Mark, is
Speaker 2: that I think we have all become conditioned. Even the
Speaker 2: skeptics amongst us have said, hey, this forensic evidence thing,
Speaker 2: whether it's d n A or you know, digital readings
Speaker 2: of devices. Uh, you know, we all are familiar now,
Speaker 2: I think with ways and those different items that can
Speaker 2: tell you which way to turn in the parking lot
Speaker 2: to get to where you want to get to, turn right,
Speaker 2: turn left over the street. So I think it would
Speaker 2: be and we watch CSI this and CSI that. I
Speaker 2: watch Tracker on Sunday nights, which is the way I
Speaker 2: end my weekend. So I think all of us have
Speaker 2: kind of come to the conclusion Hey, this stuff has
Speaker 2: some has some probate value.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I agree with you on that, Yes, it does.
Speaker 3: I also want to say that.
Speaker 6: This is what I don't like about. I mean, I
Speaker 6: told you this before. You know, I've been watching Karen
Speaker 6: read from Eclipse, and she's always smirking and think of
Speaker 6: I mean, in my opinion, she thinks it's a joke
Speaker 6: because she's smirking and smiling and like it's a big show.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I don't you know me personally,
Speaker 6: I don't like that. I mean, you're facing a manslaughter case.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Someone, you're facing a second in the worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: it's a second degree murder case. I mean, that's one
Speaker 2: of the countries looking at She's looking at a second
Speaker 2: degree murder, which is fifteen years before you're eligible for
Speaker 2: parole in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: That's a long time.
Speaker 2: Manslaughter as well as leaving to see of an accident.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I also think that this is someone who she
Speaker 2: at one point had a very you know, personal positive
Speaker 2: relationship with and whatever the cause of his death, you
Speaker 2: would think it would be something that that that she
Speaker 2: might show a little more empathy, is what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say. I mean, certainly the interviews that she did,
Speaker 2: the TV interviews that she did between the trials, I
Speaker 2: don't think are going to help her with any jury
Speaker 2: and that that evidently he's been at.
Speaker 3: And also they say the police thinking this the big
Speaker 3: cover up this, and I'm not I'm not buying that
Speaker 3: theory because no law enforcement, at least the good offices,
Speaker 3: no law enforcement office, is going to risk their career,
Speaker 3: their houses and everything to plant evidence. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5: I'm not buying that, man. I'm just not buying that.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I'm even taking it one step further
Speaker 2: than you, Mark, and that is that if let us
Speaker 2: say something happened in that house. If O'Keefe went into
Speaker 2: that house and some sort of an argument ensued and
Speaker 2: somehow some way someone pushed him or hit him, or
Speaker 2: he fell down and he hit his head, and they
Speaker 2: realized this guy's dead, well, the first thing to do
Speaker 2: would be, I think, to call for e mts and
Speaker 2: try to try.
Speaker 3: To help, right exactly right.
Speaker 2: And then even if they came to the conclusion there's
Speaker 2: nothing we can do. He's dead. Do you plant him
Speaker 2: on the front lawn? Do you just carry him out
Speaker 2: of the house and put him on the front level.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are the chances that that as you're carryed,
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's you know, carrying him out down
Speaker 2: the steps in a snowstorm, some some police cars going
Speaker 2: to drive by, or any anyone's going to drive by way?
Speaker 2: What are you doing there? Oh, friends, just had a
Speaker 2: little bit too much to drink. We're just gonna put
Speaker 2: him here at the front lawn to sober him up.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, that's Harry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, like I said, Man, I mean
Speaker 3: so that judge, Judge Coloney, I don't know, she's just
Speaker 3: she geta found guilty. I think I truly believe this
Speaker 3: because she thinks even Judge Colony told her, oh you
Speaker 3: think this is funny. I remember that, And I tell you.
Speaker 2: That was that was a comment that the judge made. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure that.
Speaker 3: He's gonna ha her.
Speaker 5: She's gonna hammer her.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised she'd take him in the customer
Speaker 3: right then and there. I tell you she's.
Speaker 2: Well, we're getting ahead of ourselves here, so we'll just
Speaker 2: we'll just continue to focus on today. Hey, Mark, appreciate
Speaker 2: your call. We'll talk again.
Speaker 3: Thank you much, thank you and Goo Celtics.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think they're doing pretty well. Thanks Mark, touch
Speaker 2: you so good night. We got Amy and lake theyll
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Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go, going to go to
Speaker 2: Amy in Lakeville. Amy, appreciate your patience, Thanks for holding
Speaker 2: through the news.
Speaker 4: Go right ahead, Amy, no problem, Thank you so much. Dan.
Speaker 4: So I want to start off first by saying I'm
Speaker 4: a Karen Reed supporter and I don't think that she's
Speaker 4: going to be found guilty.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 4: I did not work out in the way today, so
Speaker 4: I didn't see the witnesses today, so I'm going to
Speaker 4: be watching it tonight. Sure, but I think that once
Speaker 4: all the other witnesses, just like in the first trial
Speaker 4: go through. I think there's a lot of ah situations
Speaker 4: that are going to.
Speaker 5: Continue to raise the reasonable.
Speaker 4: Doubt and they're not gonna be able to convict her,
Speaker 4: meaning that you know, the everybody getting rid of their
Speaker 4: cell phones, the dog was rehomed, the basement was redone,
Speaker 4: So I believe he went into the house and like
Speaker 4: a previous caller said, everyone was drinking and they might
Speaker 4: have been joking around. There was a lot of jim
Speaker 4: equipments there and I think he it was I think
Speaker 4: it was a total accident in his head, you know,
Speaker 4: sustained a skull fracture, and I think he was kind
Speaker 4: of tossed out to the front lawn. And those bites
Speaker 4: on his arm or those marks on his arm are
Speaker 4: definitely dog bites. I'm a registered in the bergency department.
Speaker 2: And give me, let me, let me gently challenge you
Speaker 2: want it, okay, just for the fun of it. Uh,
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of you know, police or police related
Speaker 2: individuals there. You know, police are not dumb by putting
Speaker 2: him out of the front lawn. What is accomplished by that?
Speaker 2: I mean, did they think like he's going to disappear overnight?
Speaker 2: I mean out of sight out of mind.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think it's also suspect that
Speaker 4: there was a retired chief across the street. There was
Speaker 4: a retired Boston cop a thirty four fair View. I
Speaker 4: think it's odd. I mean, when there's flashing lights on
Speaker 4: my street, I'm like, what's going on? I'll look at
Speaker 4: and I might go outside. Nobody came outside.
Speaker 2: Well, they weren't flashing lights until.
Speaker 4: The morning, right, well until the morning until six o'clock
Speaker 4: from the ambulance.
Speaker 2: Right at that point, people came outside. But what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is if the people in the house knew that
Speaker 2: something horrible had happened, okay, and whether it was you know,
Speaker 2: an intentional punch throwne or an in burtened, you know,
Speaker 2: a push and a shove and somebody fell down the
Speaker 2: flight of stairs and hit their head, which can happen, okay,
Speaker 2: would they literally take the chance of, well, let's just
Speaker 2: carry him and put him in the front lawn. I
Speaker 2: would think that that if police were concerned, they either
Speaker 2: would get a story together and say, look, you know,
Speaker 2: he slipped and he fell, right, he slipped and fell.
Speaker 2: Let's call the police and explain he slipped and fell
Speaker 2: he'd been drinking whatever, or they would have taken him
Speaker 2: somewhere to the Blue Hills at two o'clock in the
Speaker 2: morning and he would have been found when when when
Speaker 2: spring came. I don't know. I just I had this
Speaker 2: in my mind. I wrestle with and I think to myself,
Speaker 2: no matter how drunk people might have been, and I'm
Speaker 2: not suggesting they were, but there was some pretty good
Speaker 2: suggesting people had been drinking. No matter how drunk people
Speaker 2: had been, would have that been the the option? I
Speaker 2: don't know, would that?
Speaker 4: I think there was also a kind of a contentious
Speaker 4: relationship between the HTF agent Higgins and John O'Keeffe, and Higgins,
Speaker 4: you know his relationship with Karen and the text. It's
Speaker 4: I watched the first trial, almost all of it, you know,
Speaker 4: I take it watched when at home. So I think
Speaker 4: the witnesses that are going to be coming up, it's
Speaker 4: interesting that they put this, this these witnesses out now
Speaker 4: because you know that and I know the jury has
Speaker 4: been made away.
Speaker 2: So so let me ask you this, This the the
Speaker 2: witness who was on today, This this technical digital forensic expert.
Speaker 4: Okay with it?
Speaker 2: Did he testifying the first trial? Yes, Okay, And how
Speaker 2: did the defense counter his testimony. I assume it was
Speaker 2: the same today as it was in the first trial.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think back. It was so long ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, Nope, I just didn't know. I found it to
Speaker 2: be fairly. I found it to be a credible witness today.
Speaker 2: And I also think that the public has now come
Speaker 2: to accept the concept of forensics evidence. Forensic evidence, whether
Speaker 2: it's you know, blood samples, DNA and that sort of thing,
Speaker 2: or you know, digital markings, as I think we was
Speaker 2: testifying today that the phone never never moved for that
Speaker 2: five and a half hours. It was always pined in
Speaker 2: the same location at various points in time. Uh. And
Speaker 2: that uh, And that the temperature of the phone, the
Speaker 2: battery went from eighty down to thirty seven. That would
Speaker 2: have happened now you could you could argue, well, maybe
Speaker 2: he he stumbled in and the phone fell out of
Speaker 2: his pocket. Okay, I guess you could make that argument,
Speaker 2: you know, I guess.
Speaker 4: But John's temperature was steady when he got to good Smaradan. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's very cold.
Speaker 2: That's pretty cold. So that would say that somebody was
Speaker 2: outside for a while.
Speaker 4: For sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: So is it more likely than not in your mind
Speaker 2: that there was some sort of either an accident and
Speaker 2: impact or he just got out of the car and
Speaker 2: tripped and fell and hit his head and she didn't
Speaker 2: see him and she drove off. But the third option
Speaker 2: being he went in the house, got beat up, and
Speaker 2: they planted him at the lawn, which one of those
Speaker 2: is more likely in your mind.
Speaker 4: In my mind, it's the third option, because he suffered
Speaker 4: a skull fracture and he had the they're called battle
Speaker 4: eyes when you suffer a basil or skull fracture. That's
Speaker 4: why his eyes were so swollen, black and blue.
Speaker 2: Then you think that this group of police officers inside
Speaker 2: the house said we got a great idea, let's put
Speaker 2: him in the front lawn. You don't think anybody said, well,
Speaker 2: but is that what police officers under pressure would do
Speaker 2: with a body with a dead body?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Or the second option that he tripped and he fell,
Speaker 4: Maybe he fell hit his head on the curb, and.
Speaker 2: That would be more credible to me. That would be
Speaker 2: more credible to me than the idea that somehow, you know,
Speaker 2: I would think that if this is just me, Okay,
Speaker 2: I haven't covered this trial. So I would think that
Speaker 2: if there were five or six police officers or whatever.
Speaker 3: The number was too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well police professionals who were there, that they would
Speaker 2: have said, look, put him in a car and get
Speaker 2: him out of here. Let's kick him up to the
Speaker 2: Blue Hills and put him carry him, you know, sixty
Speaker 2: yards into the into the brush. And uh, I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you think that they got you. You
Speaker 2: you accept the fact that they just said, put him
Speaker 2: on the front lawn. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: I don't know that.
Speaker 4: You know, maybe they'll say the cloud hit him and
Speaker 4: I don't know, we'll see. I also think that the
Speaker 4: investigation from the get go was you know, okay, okays, Oh,
Speaker 4: I think you're right on.
Speaker 2: That go to agree with you that one. That's from
Speaker 2: everything that I've read, every oppression I have. Well, look,
Speaker 2: thank you. I really do appreciate hearing from you, and
Speaker 2: I hope you'll continue to follow this and if at
Speaker 2: some point your mind changes, let me know I will.
Speaker 4: I'm looking at you every day on the way home
Speaker 4: from work. I get out very much.
Speaker 2: And you work. You work obviously in the you work
Speaker 2: as a.
Speaker 4: Emergency in a community hospital.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. For what you do.
Speaker 5: Thank you for thank you.
Speaker 4: And I've seen my share of dog bites and they're
Speaker 4: not they're not good.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks so much, talk soon, good bye, Okay,
Speaker 2: good night. Here comes the news at the bottom of
Speaker 2: the hour. We'll be back the only line right now,
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Ray, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: We're getting reaction. We probably would do this at least
Speaker 2: once a week, or more often if necessary, when they're
Speaker 2: important witnesses. I was taken by the digital forensic testimony today.
Speaker 2: Let's see what Alex and Millis has to say. Alex
Speaker 2: here next to on Nightside. I hope you had a great
Speaker 2: Greek Independence Day yesterday, Alex.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 8: It was awesome. My son marched and we were, you know,
Speaker 8: we had a lot of floats and I can my
Speaker 8: hat's off to the City of Boston and the Boston police.
Speaker 8: They really a couple of the police officers were holding
Speaker 8: Greek flags. So that made me like really really, you know,
Speaker 8: kind of uh, you know, so proud.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's talk about the Karen Reid reads
Speaker 2: while go ahead.
Speaker 8: Okay, you know what they say if you cannot say
Speaker 8: anything nice about a person, don't say anything at all.
Speaker 8: But I'm gonna my mother told me, you like that
Speaker 8: that rule. Actually, she comes he and reminds me of
Speaker 8: remember Pam Smart. She comes across as very arrogant, and
Speaker 8: the way she prances or walks, you know, and her attitude.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, the juris are going to see this because
Speaker 8: they look at the body language, don't they. I mean,
Speaker 8: I feel bad for the woman, but you know, all
Speaker 8: she's known for is you know, a night of heavy
Speaker 8: drinking with her police officer boyfriend, you know. And what's
Speaker 8: that tell you? You know, is that is that like
Speaker 8: being irresponsible? Now she's she was a professional. She was,
Speaker 8: you know, an educator or whatever you find now.
Speaker 2: She taught she taught business in college.
Speaker 8: Yuh yeah. So if I'm on the jury and and
Speaker 8: you know the way she she carries herself, it tells
Speaker 8: me that she's kind of insensitive. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 8: like you're not You're supposed to look at the facts.
Speaker 8: But that's part of it too, you know, the body language.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tell you that. The headline in the
Speaker 2: Boston Globe tomorrow will be expert testifies in Karen readtrial
Speaker 2: that John O'Keefe's phone stopped moving soon after he was
Speaker 2: dropped off at Canton home. That's by Travis Anderson's. That
Speaker 2: will be their story tomorrow, I think in the globe,
Speaker 2: so we'll say, I mean, you know, we can make
Speaker 2: judgments and what different people see in demeanor. I just
Speaker 2: had the thought I talked about demeanor tonight has nothing
Speaker 2: to do with her physical appearance. A demeanor is the
Speaker 2: way a person carries themselves, and then you have to
Speaker 2: mix in with that some of the television interviews. I
Speaker 2: don't understand why her lawyers allowed her to do TV interviews.
Speaker 2: It seems to me that maybe they are convinced she's innocent.
Speaker 2: You know, I believe there is a quote of public opinion.
Speaker 2: I function in that in what I call the quote
Speaker 2: of public opinion on behalf of Joseph Body and subsequently
Speaker 2: Peter Lamoni, two men who were wrongfully and intentionally convicted
Speaker 2: for crime they never had anything to do with. But
Speaker 2: a lot of we had a lot of evidence on
Speaker 2: that case that we described over time. A lot of
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 8: With the saphone data. That kind of tells me, well,
Speaker 8: you know, maybe he didn't go in the house because
Speaker 8: the temperature remained constant on the phone.
Speaker 2: You know, Well, the temperature didn't remain constant. The temperature,
Speaker 2: that's what I thought. They said, No, No, the temperature
Speaker 2: on the phone battery apparently dropped from eighty degrees to
Speaker 2: as low as thirty seven degrees at the time that
Speaker 2: his body was discovered, and that was that. Those are forensics.
Speaker 2: Those are forensics from the phone. Unless the defense can
Speaker 2: defeat those forensics, I think those are going to stick
Speaker 2: in the mind of the jury. Alex again, glad you
Speaker 2: had a great day yesterday. I got to keep rolling here.
Speaker 8: Okayet your suits some by the time.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you much. Let me go to Lola in
Speaker 2: San Diego. Lola is a big advocate for the innocence
Speaker 2: of Karen Reid. Go right ahead, Lola.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, hi Dan, So you know we could talk
Speaker 7: to the Kyles come home. So it's four different website,
Speaker 7: four different pages on Facebook supporting Karen Reid that people
Speaker 7: can go look and read and discover what we're all
Speaker 7: talking about. So one particular thing, Well, before.
Speaker 2: You get to that, I'll give you a chance to
Speaker 2: publicize Facebook, But did you get a chance to watch
Speaker 2: the forensic testimony that I came in today.
Speaker 5: I did, I did.
Speaker 7: I listened to that gentleman that was on the stands.
Speaker 7: So there's all kinds of thing with me.
Speaker 2: What was I'm just again as somebody that as someone
Speaker 2: who believes in the innocence of Karen Reid, do you
Speaker 2: think that that hurt her case? Do you think it's irrelevant?
Speaker 2: How would you describe it?
Speaker 7: I'd say it's neutral. It's neutral because the phone temperature.
Speaker 7: He could have dropped the phone when he walked in
Speaker 7: the house and then they found it, and then they
Speaker 7: brought it outside they couldn't. There's all kinds of speculation.
Speaker 7: So you've got I don't know all the guy's names,
Speaker 7: but there's a police officer who was an ATF guy.
Speaker 7: He brought his phone to a military base and he
Speaker 7: threw the phone in one dumpster, and he took the
Speaker 7: simcat out and threw it in another dumpster. They destroyed.
Speaker 7: They all the police officers that were there and the
Speaker 7: people that were in that house, they all got new phones,
Speaker 7: destroyed the phone. The dog went missing. They dug up
Speaker 7: the floor. But this thing what I want to tell
Speaker 7: you about, there's a picture of the SUV that was Karen's.
Speaker 7: And there's a bump of god that sticks out so
Speaker 7: you could, like, I guess, open and step in. There's
Speaker 7: like a step thing that sticks out more, that sticks
Speaker 7: out more than the tail light. So how could the
Speaker 7: tail light hit him? The bumper the bumper thing would
Speaker 7: have hit him first. He didn't have any injuries, like
Speaker 7: at the lower extremities to say, well he got hit
Speaker 7: from the from the bottom. But I'm loostening and I'm
Speaker 7: reading all kinds of people's speculations and ideas, and so
Speaker 7: remember it's reasonable doubt beyond a reasonable doubt. And so
Speaker 7: Trooper Proctor getting he was the lead investigator and they
Speaker 7: fired him. He was he was an officer that was
Speaker 7: drinking and driving on the job. So you talk about
Speaker 7: police and this and that this good police, there's bad police.
Speaker 7: I also heard, and I'll just to shoot this that
Speaker 7: John O'Keefe was investigating some kind of activity of people
Speaker 7: doing some kind of trafficking. Because I don't have the details.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well again without without without the detail. First of all,
Speaker 2: if you had the details, I would be hesitant to
Speaker 2: talk about details. And without details, no, I know that
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. So let me ask you this. You're
Speaker 2: convinced O'Keefe went in the house, some sort of a
Speaker 2: fight ensued and they realized he's dead.
Speaker 7: Right, yes, because somebody in that Again, hold.
Speaker 2: On, I'm just gonna ask you from what? From common sense? Okay?
Speaker 2: So at some point someone said, what are you going
Speaker 2: to do with this guy? Someone said, let's put him
Speaker 2: on the front lawn. That's a good idea. Let's carry
Speaker 2: him out to the front lawn. Is that how you
Speaker 2: think happened.
Speaker 7: Yes, let me tell you why. It's just.
Speaker 4: The guy lucky.
Speaker 7: The plows of the street. He kept going around and
Speaker 7: around and around, and he never saw anybody on the ground.
Speaker 7: He was plowing all that night. Now, if anybody was
Speaker 7: going to see a body, it would have been the
Speaker 7: plow guy. You know how. I know that my dad plowed.
Speaker 2: That's that's fine. My question to you is this, I
Speaker 2: don't know how many times he plowed that street. My
Speaker 2: question to you is this, you believe the body was
Speaker 2: carried out of the house or transported out of the
Speaker 2: house by the inhabitants of the house, right.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, because it's not.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So my question then, is my question, then, is what
Speaker 2: were they thinking. I mean, do you think one of
Speaker 2: them said, well, you know what, do you think maybe
Speaker 2: one of them said, you know, I got kind of
Speaker 2: a funny suspicion. I'm gonna bet you that Karen Reid's
Speaker 2: dropped him off, and she might have maybe her back
Speaker 2: headlight is broken, I mean, think it.
Speaker 7: You know, I just told you why the headlight couldn't
Speaker 7: be broken. It was crapped from something else.
Speaker 2: So now if someone inside says let's put him on
Speaker 2: the front lawn, they'll never find him there.
Speaker 7: I think. No, I don't think that's no. No, I
Speaker 7: don't think that's what they were thinking. I don't think
Speaker 7: they were thinking that's what I think they panicked. They
Speaker 7: were all drinking. Everybody was drinking, everybody, and not one.
Speaker 2: Of them seeing another cop on the ground. Who just
Speaker 2: someone beat the heck out of it. That didn't sober
Speaker 2: anybody up. Everybody everybody at that point said no, hey,
Speaker 2: let's let's keep this party rolling. Here. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Here's the thing. We don't we don't know. We're all
Speaker 7: speculating based on the evidence, and we're just you know,
Speaker 7: I'm rooting for this side. You can root for that side,
Speaker 7: but I'm not room for anybody.
Speaker 2: I'm not I gotta tell you, I'm not rooting for anybody.
Speaker 2: I'm rooting that that we somehow figure out what happened
Speaker 2: here because a guy, and it could have been a woman,
Speaker 2: but a person. Yes, yes, that's all all right, all right, Lola,
Speaker 2: I got to run here.
Speaker 7: Thanks you, thanks for covering the story. And go on
Speaker 7: Facebook and find those pages. Just google on Facebook. Just
Speaker 7: put in question Karen, read all the pages who come
Speaker 7: out all right?
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Lola, thank you much. Let's keep rolling here.
Speaker 2: Going to go to Jim in Holliston, one of my
Speaker 2: favorite communities in Massachusetts. Jim, You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 5: Thanks Dan, Thank you ahead. I don't understand the commotion
Speaker 5: and the coverage of this because you know, she's nobody.
Speaker 5: He's obviously an important person. He was a clop for
Speaker 5: sixteen years in Boston. I don't understand the coverage. You
Speaker 5: think she was famous or Kadashian or somebody from Beacon
Speaker 5: Hill with something. But it's just you know, every time
Speaker 5: I hear it on TV, I turn it off. I
Speaker 5: turn it off on the radio. I'm so sick of
Speaker 5: listening to it, I find it, you know, ridiculous. Now,
Speaker 5: the inside information I had back a while ago during
Speaker 5: the first trial was that the cops one of their
Speaker 5: sons was dealing drugs. And uh, the officer I can't
Speaker 5: think of his first name.
Speaker 2: That got killed, well, John O'Keefe, do me a favorite.
Speaker 2: Don't mention the name of an officer or the son
Speaker 2: of an officer. So you think that that O'Keefe was
Speaker 2: suspicious of someone dealing drugs, just leave it like that, please,
Speaker 2: if you don't mind.
Speaker 5: Right, they were suspicious dealing drugs, and he went and
Speaker 5: reported it to the town. The town being the town
Speaker 5: and being what it is, obviously covered itself. And whatever
Speaker 5: actually happened at the party, I don't know, because obviously
Speaker 5: no one does. But my understanding was that he was
Speaker 5: beat up inside or the inside information that he had
Speaker 5: given to the town.
Speaker 2: So therefore, what you're telling me is an experienced Boston
Speaker 2: police officer ratted someone out or gave a tip to
Speaker 2: the town about a drug dealer, and then he went
Speaker 2: into a house where there would be some people in
Speaker 2: that house who were somehow related to this alleged drug dealers.
Speaker 2: That's what you're telling me.
Speaker 5: That's what the inside information that I have.
Speaker 2: Well, again, whenever someone classifies it as inside information, I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to diminish.
Speaker 5: Comes from the Boston. It comes from people.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not asking you to tell me who it
Speaker 2: came from. Okay, I'm not asking tell me.
Speaker 5: I don't spread rumors. Okay, let's do this.
Speaker 2: There won't be any rumors at the trial. Let's see
Speaker 2: what is presented in evidence at the trial. This is
Speaker 2: now the second trial, and let's see if the result.
Speaker 2: You know, a trial is like a scientific experiment when
Speaker 2: you think about it. You know the type of scientific
Speaker 2: experiments you did in high school in chemistry when you
Speaker 2: were in a sophomore.
Speaker 5: I've been to fifty of them. Yeah, my dad was
Speaker 5: a trial lawyer for forty seven years.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, Okay, great. So that's what I view it
Speaker 2: as as a different jury can come back sometimes with
Speaker 2: a different results. You hope that they are consistent, but
Speaker 2: a different jury come back with different results. Jim, we'll
Speaker 2: let it go with that. I got past my break.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have you wait through.
Speaker 5: The hold on second place. I don't think he's getting
Speaker 5: the respect and the clarification that he should in this case.
Speaker 5: And I don't understand why everybody's spending their attention on
Speaker 5: her and nothing on him. After you know, his his
Speaker 5: brother's kids die, he took over, he took the net.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that that will all. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: that has all come in. That's been reported said. Okay, Jim,
Speaker 2: hear that on the news.
Speaker 5: All you hear about.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jim, I got to run. I appreciate your call.
Speaker 2: I took you before the break.
Speaker 5: I thank you for your appreciate your patience.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. Sometimes I do have patience. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Boy, these lines are full. Let's keep rolling here. Let's
Speaker 2: go to j D and Leminster. JD you're next on Nightside,
Speaker 2: Go right ahead. Okay, not ready, JD, you're ready, let's go.
Speaker 2: What's I'm your mind?
Speaker 3: Go ahead?
Speaker 9: And so I'm gonna talk about see your callers there
Speaker 9: and you have been talking about. You don't believe that
Speaker 9: they just you know, left them out there in the snow.
Speaker 9: So my working theory is he'd go in there, where's
Speaker 9: bad beef between all of them and the original plan
Speaker 9: was to I believe that they didn't try to, you know,
Speaker 9: kill him. I think that they just maybe that there
Speaker 9: was a fight and he may become incapacitated to maybe
Speaker 9: at a seizure, and they panicked and they think they
Speaker 9: were going to bring him outside. And the plan originally
Speaker 9: was they're going to bring him out, pock the car
Speaker 9: there and have it blocked to view, and they're gonna
Speaker 9: say in the morning that he was hit by a
Speaker 9: plow and that would definitely explain the animal bites that
Speaker 9: could look like abrasions from plow, and I could believe that,
Speaker 9: and also with the head lacerations. And I think when
Speaker 9: the car was moved, there was enough snow where they
Speaker 9: could say he was hidden in the snow bank, and
Speaker 9: that was an explanation. And I think in the morning,
Speaker 9: when Karen Reid came and she might have said I
Speaker 9: hit him because she was so scared, they mantally changed
Speaker 9: their plans to say that that was much much easier.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a little bit of a different spin,
Speaker 2: all right. Appreciate that one, Jad, thank you much.
Speaker 9: The other thing, Dan, I get one more time, do so.
Speaker 9: The other thing, too is I'm in industry of public safety,
Speaker 9: and I've seen a lot of people hit by motor vehicles,
Speaker 9: and when somebody hits a man of that size, even
Speaker 9: at thirty miles per hour without breaking, there should be
Speaker 9: a lot more damage to the vehicle, not just to
Speaker 9: tell like the rear corner. The Papa should have been damaged,
Speaker 9: you know, and not eat if he was you know,
Speaker 9: maybe kneeling down and they're saying that, and his head
Speaker 9: was at the level of the tail light. If she
Speaker 9: would hit him, he wouldn't have fown back forty feet,
Speaker 9: would have be un over and there were no car
Speaker 9: marks on his body. And that's my opinion on this.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, Jad, appreciate your call. Thank you. Let
Speaker 2: me go next to Matt and Florida. Matt Money, get
Speaker 2: you in here before the eleven go ahead, and Matt.
Speaker 10: Dan, you got to carry this in the next hour. Dan,
Speaker 10: I really feel I'm kind of annoyed with you on this.
Speaker 10: Are you really are you being deliberately obtuse about this
Speaker 10: about why did they put the body in the front yard,
Speaker 10: Like you've been on that for like the whole trial,
Speaker 10: the whole case since it started, Like, oh, they put
Speaker 10: him out there because they didn't want him near the
Speaker 10: what actually happen. That's why it's not a stupid thing
Speaker 10: to do if you if you're them. What I want
Speaker 10: to know is the girl who showed up with Karen
Speaker 10: Reid in the morning, Jenn mc I won't say her name.
Speaker 10: She was the sister in law of the people in
Speaker 10: the house.
Speaker 5: If you your sister in law lives in.
Speaker 10: The house, aren't you gonna go knock on the door
Speaker 10: and be like, hey, hey, you gotta come out here
Speaker 10: and help. This guy's dead in your front lawn. She
Speaker 10: never even went to the front door to wake them up.
Speaker 10: Anyone in the universe is gonna go run to their sister.
Speaker 10: It's her sister. It's her sister and her brother in
Speaker 10: law's house, and she doesn't approach the house at all
Speaker 10: or try to get their attention. I mean, what the
Speaker 10: hell is going on? It's so obvious. You got to
Speaker 10: watch watch some of these documentaries.
Speaker 2: Dad.
Speaker 10: It's like, I just don't know how you can get up.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to limit myself to what I see in court.
Speaker 10: Right, Okay, Well yeah, well you're not watching the case.
Speaker 3: You gotta see it.
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just look, I am not predicting the result. I
Speaker 2: am not following. I have a belief that I really
Speaker 2: haven't expressed as to what happened. I just find it incredible,
Speaker 2: incredible that when let's assume the guy was in the
Speaker 2: house and he got they beat him up. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: assume that. Or let's assume someone threw a punch and
Speaker 2: he hit his head and he he you know whatever.
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me, at least the police that I know,
Speaker 2: are going to say, what are we going to do
Speaker 2: with this guy? We got a body here in our house.
Speaker 2: What do we Let's put him in the front lawn.
Speaker 2: That'll be a good idea. I don't think that would
Speaker 2: have been the first thing they would have thought of.
Speaker 11: They probably would have said, let's get him out of here.
Speaker 11: Let's let's let's get him put him in the woods
Speaker 11: somewhere so that, you know, he whatever, and he'll be
Speaker 11: found six months.
Speaker 10: Just say that part, Well, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3: So my apologies on that.
Speaker 10: I didn't mean to come across that. You I mean.
Speaker 2: That I'm a big boy, Matt. I have friends, Matt,
Speaker 2: you and I are friends. Okay, I want you to
Speaker 2: express I love my best call, one of my best calls.
Speaker 2: You're always yeah.
Speaker 10: Good guy made the point, look at the evidence. They're
Speaker 10: saying they're all asleep in the house, Well, then why
Speaker 10: did the why are they moving their car around at
Speaker 10: three in the morning when they're supposed to be asleep.
Speaker 10: But the plow driver testify he's saying, and this is
Speaker 10: the evidence that the plow guy saw saw the one
Speaker 10: of their cars uh moving around at three o'clock like
Speaker 10: it's because they I think they were gonna let him
Speaker 10: leave the house on his.
Speaker 3: Own, on his own.
Speaker 10: And they eventually realize, holy crap, this guy's dead, Like,
Speaker 10: we got to get him out of here. So they
Speaker 10: moved them through the garage, they moved the car, uh,
Speaker 10: and you know they're all lying there.
Speaker 3: And then can I say one other thing real quick.
Speaker 10: Why hasn't a single person from that house come out
Speaker 10: publicly and said, you keeople are all insane, we had
Speaker 10: nothing to do with this, blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: They've been so quiet.
Speaker 10: It's it's so suspicious to me that not a single
Speaker 10: one of them have come out to the news to
Speaker 10: talk about it or anything.
Speaker 5: It's so obvious these people buy it, got it.
Speaker 2: I got it. I love your passion and uh, let's
Speaker 2: they say. I'm not insulted by your call at all.
Speaker 10: I'm just no, no, you know, I'm just giving you.
Speaker 2: The I listened today to this forensic expert who I
Speaker 2: found to be credible. Did you happen to hear this
Speaker 2: guy in the understand today or no?
Speaker 10: Well, I don't call him incredible because where was he
Speaker 10: in the first trial. They just pulled this guy out
Speaker 10: the right field, you know, like you.
Speaker 2: I'm told, I'm told that he did testify in the
Speaker 2: first trial. I'm here anything, okay, I gotta run. Thanks,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, all right, let me get one more
Speaker 2: in here, rob what do I have? Do I have
Speaker 2: two minutes? Two minutes? Great, Well, let's go to Kristin
Speaker 2: and Franklin. Kristin, won't you won't make you wake through
Speaker 2: the news? You go right ahead. What's your take?
Speaker 12: I can I'll be really quick. I talked to you
Speaker 12: about a year ago to the day regarding this Keith. Yeah,
Speaker 12: she did it. I'm getting stressed hearing all these fabricated
Speaker 12: things people are saying. As you said, we've been testified
Speaker 12: last year. People are not listening to the facts. Of
Speaker 12: the case. They're on those Facebook pages. They're vile, they're
Speaker 12: so much information that's been on your show tonight is
Speaker 12: just not true. As you said, they're a bunch of
Speaker 12: policemen there weren't don't even know how much everyone was drinking.
Speaker 12: But Karen did they have cocktails and go out. Sure,
Speaker 12: there's no conspiracy. This has been said by her prosecutors
Speaker 12: for two years now, and I just can't even tell
Speaker 12: you how much. It was a horrible accident and it's
Speaker 12: just so hard to hear all this misinformation.
Speaker 2: Well again, that's really hard. We entertained callers and that's
Speaker 2: we talk about it. And just as these conversations are
Speaker 2: going on in households across New England and across the country,
Speaker 2: they're on Tonight or Nightside. I found the forensic testimony
Speaker 2: today to be credible. I also believe that from a
Speaker 2: from a societal point of view, this sort of testimony
Speaker 2: is more credible today than it was twenty years ago.
Speaker 2: People now are saying, okay, DNA testimony, We accept that,
Speaker 2: and you know it's it has has a ring of
Speaker 2: truth to it. But let's see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 12: Brennan is going to continue to clean up the holes
Speaker 12: that the prosecution had last trial. And I really think
Speaker 12: people are going to open their eyes and you know,
Speaker 12: see the fact that maybe it wasn't clean enough to
Speaker 12: show as well.
Speaker 2: Left We'll see. I think I think Brennan has had
Speaker 2: a better start than Lonley did. Let's put it like that. Kristin,
Speaker 2: I got a run. I got it.
Speaker 12: I'm not calling you in a year from now.
Speaker 2: I hope to hear from you more often. Okay, thanks Kristin.
Speaker 2: By the way, tonight the BBC is reporting that the
Speaker 2: Liberal Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Corney's party will win
Speaker 2: the election. Uh and certainly that is something that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is not looking to hear. We will continue to
Speaker 2: talk about Karen Reid on the other side, you folks
Speaker 2: decide the subject at hand. Coming back on night side