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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend.

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Speaker 2: Now here is your host, DJ leaves Well, we get

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ready for a new month coming up here in a

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world title fight in Verona, New York, one of the

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top prospects in boxing in action all the way across

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the country in Las Vegas, and we're ready to preview

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it all with some news, some nostalgias, some humor, some

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inside god knows what else, including leftover Halloween candy. It

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is the Big Fight Weekend preview. I am the somewhat

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competent host, TJ Reeves. Please take these little three musketeers

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and snickers and twigs away from me. Hello, Dan Rayfield,

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back aboard here for another preview edition again, as we're

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releasing this Thursday night into Friday. The Halloween mayhem has

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been going on. We've well documented little Rayfield dressing up twins.

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Not so much, they've outgrown it at sixteen years of age,

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but I still got lots of Halloween candy. How are

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you feeling is we're ready to go?

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Speaker 1: I feel like shit, TJ.

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Speaker 2: I tried to avoid bringing up what it has you

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know why his luck punched? You can I just say

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something to you? Everybody learned in little league baseball, if

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you were the pitcher, go cover first base on a

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ground bawl to first What is your three hundred million

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dollar pitcher doing standing and watching in Game five of

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the World Series? Go cover first base.

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Speaker 1: So it's a lifetime ago. But well before I covered

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professional boxing, Yeah, I covered a shitload of baseball, Minor

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league baseball, high school baseball, college baseball, even a little

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bit in the Major league baseball. And I've been a

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baseball fan my whole life. One year on my summer

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vacation from college, myself going into my senior year, and

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a good friend of mine who had just graduated his scene,

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you know, he had just finished the senior year. We

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spent several weeks that summer driving cross country to see

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baseball games in every stadium we go. And I have

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been to spring training as a reporter. Whatever it is.

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First day of practice on the college level or high

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school level, the first drill they do is ground ball

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to first base. Pitcher covers the bag. He start every

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practice with the same fucking drill. So if he pitched

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a great game, Cole, he's a great pitcher. He's a

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tremendous Yankee probably have his number retired someday.

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Speaker 2: But go that far. But he's been good.

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Speaker 1: The worst thing about what happened with the Yankee meltdown

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is that the players that got them there, the biggest

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stars on the team, the best players there, their best

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pitcher Cole and their best player Judge, made the two

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terrible mistakes that the do you know, actually, maybe I

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read this in one of the articles I was reading

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as I was suffering through every moment of last night's game,

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that that was the first error that Jaron and Aaron

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Judge made the entire season, postseason or or regular season

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in centerfield.

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Speaker 2: What a time, what a time for that.

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Speaker 1: So let's put that aside.

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Speaker 2: I know the Dodgers, the Dodgers are the champs. I

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was not going there. Have some more chocolate. Maybe that'll

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help you. Well, it's over with. Hopefully you don't have

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to win another fifteen years. But to get there tough

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stuff if you're a Yankee fan. Took it right in

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the gut bag, over the head, kicking the crotch, as

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they said on what was it Vegas vacation. But in

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any event, we are here, we're here to preview fights,

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try to cheer Raypiel up if we can. So let's

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get into it. By the way, Radist review us. Those

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et cetera. Again, the audience numbers are still fantastic, but

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we want more and more of you to be able

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to see it and find it, and so those reviews

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do help. All right. So Top Rank ESPN show coming

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Saturday night from the Turning Stone Resort in Verona, New York,

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is a rematch. You did talk to Oshaki Foster earlier

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in the week and we had that up on the

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podcast feed, trying to regain his WBC Junior lightweight title

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from Robson Consisile, the Brazilian, former Olympic champion and now

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World champion, controversial decision the first time. Here we go

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with the rematch. One thing, while we have the wish list,

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because it's you know, it's about to be Christmas in

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the holiday season, can we get a little better fight.

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It was not a very good fight the first time around.

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What is your thought on that? In the preview mode,

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is that's the top rank main event coming sure.

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Speaker 1: Just to clarify, this is a ESPN Plus only card,

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so it will not be on the network. It's strictly

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on ESPN Plus the full show. But anyway, yeah, it

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was not a very good fight from the standpoint of

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action and all that. But you know, nonetheless, to most people,

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it was a very controversial decision. I thought that Oshaki

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Foster won the fight. I scored a ten rounds to two,

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as I said to Oshaki on the podcast and others

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at the time. I certainly could have saw there was

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a couple of rounds that I thought were swing rounds

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where I could easily have given them. If I had

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done that, I still have an eight rounds before. The

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official judges, you know, were kind of all over the place,

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but still close. One judge had constats Out winning one

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sixteen one to twelve. One judge had Constatsa winning one

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fifteen to one thirteen, which is seven rounds to five,

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and the other judge had at one sixteen to one

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twelve in favor of O Shaki Foster. And so the

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way I've looked at the fight is that it was

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sort of like, what do you like one guy was

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throwing way more punches. This is based on copy box.

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I know it's not official, but I absolutely believe the

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statistical breakdown that that O Shaki Foster threw way less

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punches than Constsau did. Constat was much more active in

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terms of punches thrown. But punches throne don't score points.

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They shouldn't. It's punches landing, and O Shaki Foster, although

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not active and weren't devastating punches, landed many many more

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punches than Foster, I mean than a constatly I did.

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So that's sort of like the dichotomy in the fight

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is that the guy who you're who's catching your eye

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because he's way way busier, or if you're a little

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more precise with what you're looking at, you see a

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man landing more of the punches. So I still disagree

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with the result.

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Speaker 2: I'm stronger than that. Whoever I said it at the time,

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whoever that was that scored eight rounds for Consassao should

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never judge a world championship fight again.

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Speaker 1: He didn't know any Lundy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony Lundy should never judge a world title fight again.

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He did not win eight rounds of that fight. The

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Rayfield line is the range of acceptable scoring. Maybe he

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won five on the outside, you could give him six,

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but that is just clueless to say that he won

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eight rounds of that fight. So I understand whether it's

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heavy motivation from Foster. The real question is Consissau is

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a crafty guy. Has been in with Oscar Valdez, been

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in with Navaraatee. Right, how is this gonna be different

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in your mind? For Foster? What does he have to

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do better? What do you have to see better?

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Speaker 1: The last time? One of the things that we talked

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about in the interview that's on the previous episode is

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that he needs to be a little more active. He

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knows it. I mean, you cannot let a guy out

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punch you in terms of throwing punches like by about

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two to one that's meaningful to the judges, even if

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it really shouldn't be. So you have to step on

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the gas a little bit. You have to. I mean, again,

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I don't expect the guy to go in there and

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be reckless and fight in a stupid manner and leave

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your chin hanging out there. But in professional boxing, especially

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if you want to sway judges, in a close fight

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against a good opponent, at some point you need to

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take a step forward and make the fight. That's how

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you win fights is by making the fight to some degree.

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You don't have to do it for three minutes of

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every round. You don't have to make it the most

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blazing fuck we've ever seen. But it behoos. Anybody that's

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trying to win this fight against a tricky, solid opponent

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like Robson kotsisaw that you have to take the initiative

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at times, and if you're not going to do that,

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then you kind of get what you deserve. So I

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think Foster, while he didn't do that in the first fight,

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he did enough to win, but he didn't get the

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credit for it. So you know, you have to change

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things up a little bit. I don't think you have

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to do anything dramatic or radically different, but I do

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think it would definitely behoove Oshaki Foster to be a

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little bit more offensive minded. It's not like he hasn't

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shown he can't do that in other fights. Remember the

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Hernandez fight. He looked good offensively against Abraham Nova. I mean,

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they're there, This is not this is not an inexperienced fighter.

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Uh and Contissau has got all the experience in the world.

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Came up short in the fights you mentioned against hkorna

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title fight against Oscar Valdez that was a close fight,

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I thought, also against Foster when they fought the first

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bout back in July. So I don't think there has

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to be radical changes and I think but you know, Contissaw,

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bit more. Also, that's one of the reason why I

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kind of think we might get a better fight, because

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Foster knows he's got a step out a little bit

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and Concistaw, even if he believes he won, he knows

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he got by by the skin of his teeth that

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Speaker 2: Be looking to heart it up Gift.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but in his mind, you know.

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Speaker 2: All right, so again world title. Let's take here. Interesting

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that Foster was looking at possible unification, et cetera. But

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you got to get the title back.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, the guy that the guy that wins this

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fight absolutely is going to be in a position to

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get some type of unification, I think, And the main

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reason is because it's, like Foster said, his target if

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he wins he'd like to fight the winner of the

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December seventh thie match, that is for the WBO's one

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hundred and thirty pound title, which is Navarette Valdez too.

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Top rank has all four guys, so it's a very

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very makeable fight. There's no no reason why that can't

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happen unless you know, I suspect maybe if Navarette wins,

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perhaps they'll try to go to one hundred and thirty

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five once again. But I think that they'll be a

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good offer for the winners to fight each other's factive matchup. Listen,

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the one hundred and thirty pound division may not be

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star studded, but there's a there's good, evenly matched types

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of guys because in any given knight in Everette Valdez,

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Foster Concasau, any of those four guys of those two

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fights are happening, is capable of defeating the other guy

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Speaker 2: All Right, so that's the main event on the undercourt?

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Is it the co feature? It's definitely a prominent fighter

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in Raymond Murtaia fighting Jesus Perez lightweight rising contender, and

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I know we're excited to see what he can do

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on this top ranked show. Give me a little more

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on that in the preview mode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Maretaia, you know he is, he's on

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the way to fighting for a title. I don't think

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it's a matter of if. It's more like when he's

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now twenty one to zero, he's take you know, He's

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been a guy in my opinion, that has kind of

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fought to the level of his opponents sometimes so sometimes

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even though he wins, he doesn't look great. But when

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he fights a little bit of a better level of guy,

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he's looked much better. He's coming off probably his best win,

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a very solid victory. Close, but he won the fight

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against a former one hundred and thirty pound world title holder,

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Tevin Farmer. That was his last fight, that was in July,

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and that was that was a pretty good win for him.

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And now he goes into the ring against an experienced

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fighter named Juan Antonio Perez. And the interesting thing about

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this fight is that when you take a look, I

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mean look, Perez is not he's not a household name

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or anything like that, but he does have some credentials

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in terms of being in the matchup, and if you

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take a look at his resume, this is a guy.

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First of all, he's twenty five and five, and you're like, oh,

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he's got five losses, but he's never been knocked out.

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And Murtaia, you know, he's capable of stopping guys. But this,

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this fight with Murti is kind of like his his reward,

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if you will, because he's coming off of a what

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split decision, nonetheless against the former title er Joseph Diaz.

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not what he once was. He wasn't fighting the right

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way class and so, but he got that name on

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his record prior to that fight. What do he won?

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good guys and he didn't get stopped. He lost to

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Brian Norman, who went on to win a welterweight world title.

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decision against Alexis Rocha, who was, you know, still a

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good welterweight contender. So he's been taken on good names. Uh,

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you know another name you will recognize. He has a

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decision loss to dan Alito Zaria, who's a fighter that

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had given uh Regis Progray a lot of trouble in

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the world title fight that he fought in Regis's hometown

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of New Orleans. So here's an experienced opponent, and it's

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the kind of guy that that Raymond Mora a Tai

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as he bides his time to some degree to get

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a world title fight. But you can't overlook a guy

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like Jesus Perez because you know, he's been in the

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ring with a lot of good guys and and you

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know he's pretty solid. And I think that the way

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things are going to shake out in this in this division,

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in the lightweight division is that if Lomachenko alects to retire,

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the IVF title will become vacant. I do suspect that

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there's a chance that we will see maybe more Taie

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in the fight for a vacant title. Top rank. You know,

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they do a good job of like making sure they

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plan ahead with their guys where they're ranked, in which

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organizations they work with. Same thing in terms of the

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WBOU in the lightweight division. You know, you're talking about

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Dennis Barentchik, who they had in the title fight when

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he defeated Navarette, they have options on his next fight,

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So there's going to be an opportunity for Murra Tait.

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He just has to take care of business and win

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and you know, hopefully for his sake, look good at

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doing it.

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Speaker 2: What don't you want to know? With sixteen knockouts, We'll

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see what he does in that card on on Saturday,

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all right? All the way out to Las Vegas, A

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long way from Verona, New York is where the Golden

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Boy Design Show originates. Floyd Schofield headlining. Speaking of lightweights,

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rising talented lightweight. I know you're very high on him.

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I gotta I gotta confess. I don't know a lot

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about the opponent, Rene Talez Jiron. Correct, is the opponent Renee?

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I don't think it's Renee. I think it's Reenne in

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the Spanish. But we'll garon all right, So what do

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we know about the opponent? Is this another thing where

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we've got the up and come unbeaten fighter against the

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kind of the veteran, the grizzled veteran, and what can

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Scofield prove essentially in the main event?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. If I called Geron grizzled veteran

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at age twenty five, but he's clearly the obvious b side.

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He's twenty and three. He also has never been stopped before,

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and the losses that he has taken have been, you know,

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where he's toughed out decisions. He lost to Giomanni Cabrera,

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who was undefeated that went on the fight for a

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world title. He's no, he's not a flashy guy, but

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he's you know, he lost to Michelle Rivera, who at

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the time was a rising undefeated lightweight you know prospect

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ended up you know, reaching a certain level, but was

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very well regarded at that time. The thing about gron

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for example, he fought he had been with top rank

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and they brought him back after he had suffered an

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upset loss Carlos Balderus, the Olympian, and he not only

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beat him, he stopped him in the sixth round. This

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is back in twenty nineteen. That was a big win

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for him at the time. But he's had kind of

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hit or miss. He's lost in decisions, won some decisions,

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so you know, groan he should be and again I'm

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not trying to dissemert or say he's no good or

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anything like that. I mean his three losses, like I mentioned,

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they've been to like legitimate guys. Also, Jose Mattias Romiro

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was the other loss he suffered. That was his most

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recent loss in twenty twenty three. He's won three fights since,

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but not against big names. Here's the thing, Floyd Schofield,

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people think a lot of people think he's a legit

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on the way to a contender, to be in a

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world title fight, perhaps winning a world title. Excellent skills,

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not a huge puncher seventeen and oh but with twelve knockouts,

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but a really talented young guy and on the rise,

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only twenty two years old, plenty of time in front

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of them. This should be easy work. Now. I'm not

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saying he's gonna go in there and knock the guy out,

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but he has so much more in my opinion, I've

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seen Giron fight many times, way more natural ability, just skills, speed,

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IQ if you will. Maybe not the level of experience

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in terms of who he's face, that's obvious, but that's

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why they put him in the ring with a guy

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like your own. Uh So I think that groan has

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shown a good chin and I don't view Scofield as

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some devastating puncher. He probably goes along way with the guy.

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But in the end this should be this should be

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a dominating performance from Schofield.

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Speaker 2: And Scofield's last fight in March. I do remember this.

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He had the opponent Swearrow fighting him in Las Vegas,

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who kept fouling him, including hitting him with low blows,

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and was finally de queued for the low blows in

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the last fight. So if you're Schofield, you got to

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be ready for anything. But you all see, like you.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned, Yeah, he was on the way to an easy

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win against Suero, and Suerrow just decided he didn't want

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to be there anymore. So we figured the best way

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out is let me, you know, foul. It was to

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very bite your ear off Tyson esque like, let's I

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know I'm not gonna win, let me get out of

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here and not getting knocked out or not get embarrassed.

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And he just continued to foul him and unfortunately Scofield

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end up with a bad cut because of that. Uh,

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you know, there was like you said, there was a

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multitude of low blows in there. You know, I don't

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think Corona is a dirty fighter like that, but he

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has a limit in terms of where he is in

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terms of his healing of ability. Corona and I think

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that Schofield is way better than him. Let him prove

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me wrong, as gron.

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Speaker 2: So that is the main event. Beck the Bully and

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David Stevens in a WBA super middleweight eliminator will be

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on this card, and a women's undisputed title fight is

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also on this card. Tell me more about both of

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those on the Golden Boys show.

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Speaker 1: Everything about this Beck to Bully fight irritates me. Number one,

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We're getting off on a good foot with this fight,

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right right. They've made beck to Bully out to be

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like something spectacular. I've tried to give him the benefit

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of the doubt. I've watched him fight many times, and

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every time I watch him, he doesn't impress me. Sorry

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to say, it's just a reality, but more than that.

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And on David Stevens, you know he's also they're both

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It's funny they're both fourteen and one. I'm not that

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familiar with David Stevenson, rather with David Stevens, but he

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does not have a resume of any caliber whatsoever. And

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that may be a reason I don't know him, because

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he is not fighting world class guys. So the fact

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that the WBA, my good friends at the WBA, not

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only does it irritate me that this is a title liminator,

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which I find to be preposterous. You're saying to me,

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these are the two guys that the winner of this

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fight should be mandated to fight for your world title

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in the super middleweight division, which by the way, happens

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to be Canelo Alvarez. So think about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing you have said that William Skull and

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Vladimir Shishkin should fight pro world title So we got

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all kinds of issues.

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Speaker 1: At one sixty year at least Shiskin had been the

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ring with a few guys. But here's the thing. It's

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a ten round fight. In my world, eliminators are twelve rounds.

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And we already discussed the fight from a while back

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where they're gonna let uh the uh the interim title

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fight be a twelve rounder in a WBC fight that's

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coming up. And now we have an official eliminator in

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the WBA that is a schedule ten rounder. I don't

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go for that. It's it's annoying to death. Uh whatever,

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It very much irritates me in terms of you know,

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back to both you know, he his one loss if

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you go back to twenty twenty one, he got knocked

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out badly in a just a shot out of nowhere,

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a miracle shot, if you will, but a but a

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tremendous knockout, knock out of the ear caliber knockout from

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bar pal Gabriel Rosotto, who just starched him. They eventually fought.

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Speaker 2: With a big right hand coming in and Beck the

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bully wasn't the same for about seventy two hours after

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that punch. He tried to get up. He was on

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roller skates. It was a great shot, and so he's

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now overcome that though with some wins.

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Speaker 1: Is your point? What im saying? The wins? But yeah,

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well he thought Rosatto in the rematch, Uh that was

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I was at the fight that was on the undercard

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when Tank Davis fought Ryan Garcia, and let me tell you, TJ,

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that's about forty five minutes of my life I'll never

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get back because it was the worst fucking piece of

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shit fight I ever saw in my life. Among them,

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it was absolutely horrible. Uh, just a terrible terrible fight,

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and and beck won, you know, ninety nine to ninety

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one and all three squorecards. It was a complete utter,

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you know, one sided fight, but terrible, terrible, terrible fight.

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So you know, let's see if beck to Bully can

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impress anybody. And let's see if David Stevens can make

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a name for himself, because right now his fifteen opponents

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are a collection of nobody's basically.

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Speaker 2: And the women's undisputed title fight is a flyway title fight.

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The sister of Sebastian Fundora, Gabriella Fundora, fighting another Gabriella

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Gabriella Allians. All right, so tell me more ten round

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women's four belt undisputed flyweight title fight. I've heard this said.

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She is. I mean, I know he's tough, he fought

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through the broken nose with Tim Zoo. But she's tough

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and she motivates him. She actually keeps him in line,

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even though he's about a foot and a half taller

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than Gabrielle. So we're interesting to see what she can do.

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Speaker 1: They're a boxing family. The father trains both of them,

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Freddie Fondora, very nice people, but when the bell rings,

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she goes from you know, it's same with Sebastian, by

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the way, it's funny and they have that kind of personality.

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I've met both of them absolutely as nice and lovely

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as type guys and gals as you can meet outside

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the ring. You hear that bell ring and they become

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animals and they go and they want to tear your

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head off. And Gabrielle, you know, she goes by the

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nickname of Sweet Poison, and it's very apropos because she's

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a very nice, sweet sort of.

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Speaker 2: Like a Halloween thing man Halloween thing.

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Speaker 1: Moving. Okay, Yeah, So she's undefeated, and she's very young.

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She's only twenty two years old, and she's had won

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the IBF belt, she's defended it, and now she's in

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with Gabrielle Alenez who is the has the other belts,

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and she's fifteen and one. Not an old fighter either,

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she's only twenty eight years old, and so hopefully we

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get a good fight. I mean, you know, anytime. Look,

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I have no issue with women's boxing, and I've covered

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tons of women's boxing. I've written about it, and I'm

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huge fan of many you.

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Speaker 2: Talk about it all the time on these podcasts, previewing, recapping,

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all of it, yes.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes there are certain fights where yes, there's a

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lot at steak, but you're like, okay, whatever, it's not

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that big of a deal. I actually think this is

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a pretty good matchup. I've seen both these women fight before.

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I'm hopeful it'll become a good fight. And listen, anytime,

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I don't care if it's a men's fight, a women's

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fight at the heavier on the scale, at the bottom

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of the scale, obviously this is a much smaller weights.

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These are flyweights. But anytime you can have clarity from

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the standpoint where you're unifying the division. So whoever wins

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this fight is going to have this stamp and say

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I am the best in the world in my weight.

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And that's a good thing for boxing, and it can

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maybe make the person who wins this a bigger name.

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And particular nothing against Elena Is, but if it's Fondora,

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because of her last name and the fact that she's

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American and she's been on a lot of televised shows prior,

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you know, she has the chance maybe to break through

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00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,200
a little bit and put herself in that pound for

471
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:44,920
pounds sort of you know conversation with you know, the

472
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,359
women that are more well known right now, the Amanda

473
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,839
Serrano and Katie Taylor and Claressa Shields and you know

474
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:56,960
those women. Obviously Sinessa Strada but she just retired, so

475
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,119
solid interesting fight in terms of I put it like this,

476
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,440
it may not be the co feature, that's the Beck fight.

477
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,839
I'm way more interested to watch these women do battle

478
00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,519
than i am to watch the Beck Tobolie nonsense ten

479
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,759
rounder as an eliminator.

480
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: Fair enough. So again that's the de Zone Golden Boys

481
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,720
show also on Saturday night, and we'll handicap a couple

482
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,599
of those fights as well on the bet US Boxing

483
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,119
Show Friday one Eastern time on the bet US platforms.

484
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,759
Good stuff on the previews, all right, some news interesting,

485
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:26,200
We have some names, we have some different updates on

486
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:30,279
some things. So there's been some speculation we'll call it that,

487
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,880
if not outright fabrication of what might Canelo be doing next?

488
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,039
And is the name Chris Eubank Junior maybe going to

489
00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:42,079
be his opponent? In may you have an update because

490
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,039
you cut in at a forty five degree angle with

491
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,440
Eddie Renoso, So give us an update here on the pod.

492
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: All right, So obviously Canello is going to be fighting

493
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,119
in May, and he's gonna need somebody in the ring

494
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,960
with him, because you can't just fight in your shadow

495
00:23:54,039 --> 00:23:56,079
or nobody. And if you take a look at the

496
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,759
landscape of who's around in the way class Bivol lost

497
00:23:59,799 --> 00:24:01,480
to that or bv theyre probably headed to a rematch.

498
00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:05,039
So the notion that Canelo might rise or or bibl

499
00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:07,079
might come down to super middle eight for their rematch

500
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,720
that went away. The notion of a Benavitez or Amel

501
00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,400
fight is out the window. Those two guys are out

502
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,680
light heavyweight. Canello says, I'm not going to light heavyweight

503
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:16,799
for anybody, but bevol not to mention by the way

504
00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:19,799
that Benevitez and Morell are fighting each other in the

505
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,799
early part of twenty twenty five. So now who else

506
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:24,440
is out there? And there's a few names like I

507
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:26,680
kept thinking to myself, Christian and Billy might be a

508
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,720
top guy to fight, exciting style, undefeated action fighter, makeup

509
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,119
a fight politically number one in the WBC. But when

510
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,279
you take a look around at the other guys out there,

511
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:42,319
remember when he was negotiating his team was negotiating for

512
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,200
him to fight against Edgar Berlanga, which was the fight

513
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,599
that took place in his most recent fight that took

514
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,960
place in September. The only other fighter that was in

515
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,000
the mix for that fight was Chris Hubang Junior. He

516
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,759
didn't get the fight obviously, and so it seemed logical

517
00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:57,720
that he might be the next opponent. So here's the thing.

518
00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:02,000
In the UK shalom from Boxer, who was the promoter

519
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,240
of Chris hu Bank Jingior and you Bank Junior himself

520
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,319
had done interviews, particularly with Sky Sports, which is their

521
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,160
broadcast partner for Boxer in the UK, and one of

522
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,880
the comments that Ben Saloon made was we're having small

523
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,920
conversations and we're negotiating the fight, etc. It's a big fight.

524
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,079
We can maybe do it at Wembley, it'd be huge,

525
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,559
and you know he's trying to make the case for

526
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,000
the fight. So while he has had a conversation, to

527
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:29,240
my knowledge with Canelo's lawyer, I don't think that from

528
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,480
what I was told by people in the Canelo camp,

529
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,640
including Eddie Renoso, that's not a negotiation. That's like, you know,

530
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,640
a cursory call.

531
00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: So conversation is just a conversation, is what you're saying.

532
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: So I was I had saw all these reports on

533
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,359
the different websites and all citing this these sky interviews

534
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,799
that Chris and Uh and Ben had done, and I'm like,

535
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:54,000
you know what, let me just get to the bottom line.

536
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:55,960
So I have a relationship with Eddie Renot, so I've

537
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,880
known him for many, many years. And what I'll do is, well,

538
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,480
either like text each other, DM each other whatever, and

539
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:05,160
I'll run my ship through a translator because he doesn't

540
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,079
speak English, uh, and so I'll like, think of my question,

541
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,480
I'll send it to him in Spanish. And you know,

542
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:13,480
he's great about getting back to me. You know. As a

543
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,079
matter of fact, he was busting my balls about the

544
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,279
Dodgers in Spanish the other night. Uh, because he's a doctor.

545
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: Well, I saw he actually put in the email lociento mucho.

546
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,119
I'm very sorry. I don't know if he did.

547
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,839
Speaker 1: I don't think he did that. I just had to

548
00:26:24,839 --> 00:26:26,400
remember from a few days ago or a week ago

549
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,240
or whatever he was. He had a photo of him

550
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,000
on one of his social platforms he was in a

551
00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:33,400
Dodger's uh shirter Dodger gear and we were going back

552
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,240
and forth about that. So he uh, he responded to

553
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,680
my my my questions about what's going on with Canelo,

554
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,400
and they got to slip in his dodger business with me. Anyway,

555
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,480
So what Eddie said to me and I was, you know,

556
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,240
I didn't know what to expect from Eddie, was like,

557
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:50,000
not only are we not negotiating, I asked him. Also

558
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:51,480
I said, well, okay, if if you if you're not

559
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:56,039
negotiating with him, who else would even be in the running,

560
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,839
like for the May fight. And Eddie is not usually

561
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,079
like this. I mean Eddie usually is you know, always

562
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,240
political in his answers, and he doesn't, you know, create

563
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,599
a lot of waves. He actually said, anybody but you

564
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,720
bank No, that's interesting that that shows you. Okay, they

565
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,599
just have no interest in fighting him. Not I don't

566
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:17,039
think it's because they don't think that Canelo can beat

567
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:19,599
him or anything like that. He made the point that

568
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,240
in his original comment about it is that that Canelo

569
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,319
Alvarez wasn't going to fight him because he had his

570
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,240
chance at September end. Quote all he did was quote

571
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,839
complicate the negotiation. So for whatever happened behind the scenes,

572
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:35,319
Eddie was not happy. So he went on to say,

573
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:38,240
and again this is translated from Spanish, we will not

574
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,200
touch base with him again for a future fight. Whatever

575
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,880
I tell you is always true. I don't like making statements,

576
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,880
but what I declare is true and that At that

577
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,240
point I asked him, well, okay, well, if you're not

578
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,960
going to fight you Bank, Like, is there anybody else

579
00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:53,599
even on your short list? And he said anybody but

580
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,079
you Bank?

581
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: So I like that.

582
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,319
Speaker 1: That was kind of funny to me. And the other

583
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,160
thing about it was, here's another thing that's important, you know,

584
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,519
whatever there may be saying over in the UK, Eddie's like, look,

585
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,240
Canelo was on vacation. And if you watch Canelo's social

586
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,119
media or his wife's social media, they've been in Europe,

587
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,759
they've been in Japan, they've been enjoying themselves. They're on vacation.

588
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,279
He just made a crazy amount of money. He doesn't

589
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:16,440
have a fight coming up for several months, and he

590
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,440
doesn't get out of shape between his fights, so you know,

591
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,079
he's taking a couple of months and doing his thing.

592
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,799
He's like, Canelo will be back in December, and at

593
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:24,720
some point soon after that, we'll sit down and we'll

594
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:26,400
try to map out what we want to do for

595
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,640
twenty twenty five, which is certainly a may fight they

596
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,400
prefer to doing Vegas. Here's your thing, TJ. When you

597
00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,720
Bank was in the conversations for the September Berlanga fight, never,

598
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:36,880
at one point in that entire discussion was it ever

599
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,440
contemplated for the UK. That was always going to be

600
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,960
in the United States. And I am told by Canelo

601
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,119
people besides just Eddie Renoso, that Canelo's desires to continue

602
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:48,000
to fight in Las Vegas. He's not so much interested

603
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:49,640
to go to fight in England.

604
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: So so like that, I don't know who going to be.

605
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: It's not true, that's the bottom line.

606
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,319
Speaker 2: It's not we don't know who it is going to be.

607
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,759
But you're getting it from Eddie Renoso. It's not going

608
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:00,599
to be Chris you Bank.

609
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: No, I actually think again, maybe maybe they'll come around,

610
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,759
you know, because money talks, that's the bottom line, and

611
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:10,400
maybe Turkey will get his way and they'll make the

612
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,279
Crawford fight. You never know. I still think there's a

613
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:14,960
possibility of that happening. If that's not the case and

614
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,000
he's going to fight a regular defense at Superman Away,

615
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:19,839
I think the guy that's available that makes sense, that

616
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,680
will be an exciting fight that Canel will be the

617
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,119
favorite in that probably fits the budget, that's doable. I

618
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,079
think Mcbilly's got a really good chance to get them.

619
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: I mentioned that to you before. But and maybe Mombilly's

620
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,000
going to have one more fight before we figure all

621
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,160
this out. But we'll see. I like that name. I

622
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,400
like that name better than you Bank. Okay, you did

623
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,680
say to us on the podcast last weekend on the

624
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,160
on the Recap pod that not so fast on December

625
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,960
fourteenth for Tank Davis Lamont Roach, you've done further reporting.

626
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:49,359
I read my Dan Raphael Substack, why are you folks

627
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,000
not subscribing? And the newsletter it's now not going to

628
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,160
be December fourteenth, So you reported that. But the real

629
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,599
question is it still in Houston or what do we

630
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,119
know or Jebuary or is that up in the air too?

631
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,799
Speaker 1: With this, it's up. Everything is up in the air.

632
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:06,839
I mean, look to me, it's always been obvious for

633
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,440
the last couple of weeks and it wasn't gonna happen

634
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,440
December fourteenth. And I say that just based on the

635
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:15,079
experience of watching the way PBC handles its fight announcements.

636
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,720
They're big on let the fighter put their stuff up

637
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,519
on their social media. When the fighters do that in

638
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,519
Lamont Roach and Gervonte Davis both posted on their social

639
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,279
December fourteenth, Houston, Texas. You know, that was the fight

640
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,240
was announced, a date in the location, and then shortly

641
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:35,359
thereafter PBC puts it on its social and then within

642
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,640
a day or two, maybe three or four days, they

643
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,119
send out a full blast press release to the press,

644
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,160
announced the particulars well quotes in and then they let

645
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,960
you know when the press conferences. Did you know, if

646
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,440
they're going to do a tour, it's gonna be in

647
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:50,319
just in New York or Vegas or wherever they're going

648
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,119
to do a press conference. And that did not happen,

649
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,920
and then it did. Another week went bying, it didn't happen,

650
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,119
and now we're going on almost three weeks with that

651
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,519
not happening. And by the way, if you look on

652
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:01,759
the calendar, here we are on Halloween as we take this,

653
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,000
the fight is not that far away, and guys got

654
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:06,480
to get in camped in. Don't want to be spending

655
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,400
three days on you know, going a couple of cities

656
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,200
and do press tours in that business. I mean, I

657
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,279
had even reported about the possibility, you know, the certain

658
00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,079
fights that were being lined up for the undercard was

659
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,440
going to be a rematch Beteam Brandon Figueroa and Steven Fulton,

660
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:21,720
the mandatory fight for the what is it I want

661
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,079
to I forget which Belton is one of the one

662
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,519
hundred and forty pound tight I guess at WBC, which

663
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,440
was Alberto Pueyo and his mandatory against Sandor Martin. Those

664
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,559
were fights that were going to be on the undercard,

665
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,640
but clear as day, it's not happening. But it was

666
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,680
hard to UH to figure out what when it would happen.

667
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,839
Then was told it's probably going to move into January.

668
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,640
They had to figure out what they're doing with the

669
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Morel and the Benevidias fight. So I figured why not

670
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:49,160
just go right to Tank Davia. So I messaged Tank,

671
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,480
why I get in touch with from time to time,

672
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,440
and I basically said, hey, Tank, listen, I mean, I

673
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:55,000
just figured I come right to the source. You know,

674
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:58,279
it's your career, paraphrasing what I wrote to him, And

675
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,000
I said, what's going on? I hear a lot of things,

676
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,640
and anyway, he responded to me soon thereafter he says

677
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,039
that I'm here January is what I'm hearing. Uh, so

678
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:08,799
you know he's being saying that, right, that's that's that's

679
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:11,319
Tank Davis. So and that's not off the record, that's

680
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,880
not some random source. This person, that person, that's the

681
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,680
guy that's going to be in the ring, and that's

682
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,079
gonna have to sign off on it. So that fight

683
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,480
will not happen December fourteen. So it means what it

684
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,319
means here's the more important. It could happen in Houston

685
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,720
on another date, that's where Tank wants to fight. It

686
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,200
could go to another location. They got to figure out

687
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,920
where they're going to put the Benavide's in real fight.

688
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,279
I was told by somebody involved in the event that

689
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:36,079
whatever happens, it's highly unlikely they will see another David

690
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:40,400
Benavide's doubleheader with Tank Davis. So going to headline, yes,

691
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,279
I had saw one report I think it was on

692
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,359
Boxing Scene that said that that was a possibility. I

693
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,559
am told that even if it was discussed at the

694
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,279
time that that article was written, it is not happening

695
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,440
as a as a combined event. And what it does

696
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,720
is it it means that in December there's still a

697
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:01,839
possibility that there'll be a non PBC payer, non pay

698
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:05,359
per view of PBC on Prime that potentially may include

699
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:08,720
some of those undercard fights, maybe something else, but either way,

700
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,519
you're talking about a year of PBC in their first

701
00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:16,200
year with Prime that unfortunately, if they don't do a

702
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,039
non pay per view fight in December, we'll have had

703
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,960
one non pay per view the entire year, which was

704
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,519
obviously a very good show with the Tim Zoo fight

705
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,599
getting knocked out by Baker Ertazziliev just a couple of

706
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,759
weeks ago, and all the rest of their events were

707
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:32,000
pay per views to one Jervonta Davis card with Benevite's

708
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,880
in June, two fights with Canelo, and their kickoff show

709
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,319
in March with the Zoo Fundora fights. So they may

710
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:41,880
finish this calendar year with only five events the entire year,

711
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,519
four pay per views and one non pay review. Maybe

712
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:46,640
four pay per views and two non pay p reviews.

713
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,160
That's not enough activity for their fighters and frankly, not

714
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,640
enough to quench my desire.

715
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,559
Speaker 2: Sure, and we said repeatedly at the end of last

716
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880
year when you were talking to your PBC sources and

717
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,799
other industry sources, I kept saying, let's wait and see

718
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:06,319
why when they're telling you we're gonna be fine. We're

719
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,239
gonna have lots of fight cards. We're gonna have whatever.

720
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,079
Now the proof is here. We are ten months into

721
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,639
the year, and like you said, we've had very few

722
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,679
cards and only one that's not although you are reporting

723
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,039
it could be a second December card somewhere on the

724
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:22,880
fourteenth with other fighters.

725
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,599
Speaker 1: We'll see if it happens again. All right, it's not

726
00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:28,159
a definite, but the probability will be if that fight

727
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,280
card does happen.

728
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: That doesn't it make the most sense to let me finish.

729
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: Let me finish it. But it's either gonna be in

730
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,840
Orlando or another location where they do a lot of fights,

731
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,159
which is the armory in Minneapolis.

732
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: All right, one of those places. But does it make

733
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,280
more sense for Davison Roach what we talked about for

734
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,079
weeks to fight in Washington, DC if they can figure

735
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,280
it out, kind of meet in the middle for January.

736
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:48,760
So maybe that's back on.

737
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: But hold on. The key that that you gotta remember

738
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:56,440
is Tank wants to fight in Houston, and what Tank wants,

739
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Tank's probably gonna get. That's it, Okay.

740
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: So that leads me only to one conclusion. Whatever price

741
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,000
they thought they were getting for the Toyota Center. It

742
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:08,840
turned out to not be the right price, and so

743
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,199
they may have to find another venue in Houston. Otherwise,

744
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,440
why are you not fighting on December fourteenth like you

745
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,760
announced in the Toyota Center like you announced? I don't

746
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,719
get that. So if he still.

747
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,679
Speaker 1: Want to, that's still something to that has to be

748
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,280
ferreted out. I don't have the answer to that. I

749
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,440
will try to find the answer.

750
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 2: All right, we just know that it's not happening on

751
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,159
the fourteenth, Look forward in January.

752
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: All right.

753
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,159
Speaker 2: A couple more news items real quick. Bam Rodriguez is

754
00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:36,199
coming up not this weekend, but next weekend, November ninth.

755
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,320
As part of that Boots in his card in Philadelphia.

756
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:44,880
He's defending his junior bantamweight championship on that card. And

757
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,360
he's also agreed to a long term deal. Correct he's

758
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,079
extended with Mattrium.

759
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,199
Speaker 1: Then now Mattroom Boxing announced that he had had his contract.

760
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,719
They had done a contract extension. I don't know how

761
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,639
long it's for, but he's very happy with Mattrium. They're

762
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,599
the co promoter also with mister on the fromt tiak

763
00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:04,880
In Promotions. Look, there was and when the announcement was

764
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,760
made of this extension in the comments that were attributed

765
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,719
to bam Rodriguez. He made the point that and this

766
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,159
is his quote, at one point, nobody, no one wanted

767
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:21,280
to sign me. And Robert Garcia, who's been to talk

768
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,440
to me about Bam Rodriguez when he was like eighteen

769
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:25,320
years old, and was telling me, look, I got this

770
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,760
kid at the time, he was like one hundred and

771
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,480
eight pounder or something like that. It's like, you got

772
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,039
to check this kid out. He's going to be a

773
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,760
tremendous champion. I mean, when Robert Garcia says things like that,

774
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,599
I believe him because he doesn't say shit like that

775
00:36:35,639 --> 00:36:37,800
too often. Like he takes that real serious. He knows

776
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,639
what he's looking at when it comes to talent. But

777
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:42,400
in the United States, there was not a lot of

778
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,159
this demand from promoters to have guys in that small

779
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:49,079
away class. Look, they put bam Rodriguez on a few

780
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,960
couple of top rank cards for example, like Robert would

781
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,159
have one of his other fighters with them, and they

782
00:36:54,199 --> 00:36:56,400
have a relationship, so we would do the top rank.

783
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,599
Would do Robert the favor and put this kid on

784
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,559
top rank. It's not that they didn't like him. But

785
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:02,800
they just didn't know what they could do with the

786
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,079
kid at one hundred eight pounds blah blah blah, and

787
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:09,079
they passed on him, and basically he got signed. You know.

788
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:11,519
Then then Robert was like, you know, has a relationship

789
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,119
with mister Honda and Japan also, and it was sort

790
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,639
of at his behest that mister Honda signed him. And

791
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:21,559
and then when Roberts brother Mikey fought the fight against

792
00:37:21,559 --> 00:37:24,199
Sander Martin which he lost and ultimately Uh called to

793
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,599
the career and retired, Matcham agreed to put his guy

794
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,320
on the undercard. And it was at that card where

795
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Bam fought on the mattrom card. He didn't have a

796
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,599
contract with them, but Eddie Hearn and his people were

797
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:36,880
very impressed by the kid, and they signed him. And

798
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,000
from there on he went and fought all these big

799
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,239
nine you know, the Quadrus and Sir Rungby Si and

800
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
rived up and you know fought that. Then you know,

801
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:46,280
got a title and went up to.

802
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 2: You know in San Antonio when he beat Si, yes,

803
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,639
I believe, yeah, so.

804
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: He headlined also when then they got the unification in

805
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,599
the Flyway divis and he you know pummeled on Sonny

806
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,159
Edwards anyway. Uh So, he's very comfortable with Mattroum. He

807
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,360
likes how they've moved him. They've got an excellent relationship.

808
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:06,920
He doesn't he speaks extremely highly of the way Mattrium

809
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,280
has handled his career and treated him, along with mister Honda,

810
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,400
but you know, mister hand is involved and has a

811
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480
lot of sway. But Eddie's people really do the hands

812
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,480
on and promote the events. So he's staying with with

813
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:20,480
with Maatrium. It's a great signing. I mean, they need

814
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:24,000
some American fighters. He's still young, he's twenty four years old.

815
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:26,920
He's got a hometown crowd. He's thoughts thought some really

816
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,159
good names. He's got a great fun style and has

817
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,280
has greatness on his mind. Is a pound for pound

818
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
level guy. With the way he's performed. He's taken on

819
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:37,719
Guivara and so they got the They got the business

820
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,119
stuff out of the way before he goes in the

821
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:39,880
ring next week.

822
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: All right, So that fight week is next week. We'll

823
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,519
get through the other news here. We've got Prince Nassim

824
00:38:44,559 --> 00:38:48,760
Hahmed and Lennox Lewis Nostalgia coming up. This Mexican fighter

825
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,239
Marco Verde. I know you wrote about it on your

826
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,639
sub stack, and we're going right back to Eddie Renoso.

827
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Here connect the dots. The Mexican silver medallist is going

828
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,159
to turn pro right.

829
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,199
Speaker 1: Marco Verdi is twenty two years old. He won the

830
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,199
welterweight silver medal in the Paras Olympics this past summer.

831
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,639
Fights in the pros will be probably fighting I probably

832
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:14,199
fight around junior middleweight in the pros. Twenty two years

833
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,000
old and probably the most sought after of at least

834
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,079
the North American Olymbians. If not, you know, one of

835
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,960
the top sought after guys out of the Paris Games

836
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,559
in all of boxing. I know, I know because I've

837
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:27,800
heard his name mentioned by multiple of promoters. A lot

838
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,239
of people were interested in him. I don't I guess

839
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,559
he hasn't signed with a promoter. But what he did

840
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,800
do is he signed with Eddie Renoso. Now Eddie is known,

841
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,079
of course as the manager of Canelo, but also the trainer.

842
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:40,039
When I was talking back and forth with Eddie about

843
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,199
what was going on with Canelo, he made mention to

844
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,920
me that he had signed Verde and he was going

845
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,599
to be like the next in his opinion, the next

846
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:49,440
Mexican you know superstar world champion. He's a you know,

847
00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,199
tall for his weight class, you know, has the background.

848
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,519
Was a gold medalist in the twenty twenty three Pan

849
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:56,800
American Games, which was which is one of the top

850
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,639
amateur competitions in the world other than say the Olympics

851
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:03,760
and the World World Championships. Anyway, But the interesting thing

852
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,559
is Eddie's gonna gonna manage him and guide him, but

853
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:09,400
he's not going to train him. And when Verde posted

854
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,519
on his social media that that he was very excited

855
00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,000
and happy to sign and let Eddie guide his career,

856
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,719
but that he was going to stay with his other

857
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,519
longtime promoter, Ratamus Fernandez, and that he was going to

858
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,760
still train him. But the point is, with Eddie backing

859
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,039
him and this kid's obvious talent from the amateurs and

860
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:29,199
knowing how much other promoters wanted him, it seems like

861
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,039
it'll be an interesting and Eddie I wouldn't be surprised

862
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,480
obviously if he's not signed the kid with a promoter

863
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,079
that like when Canelo comes back, for example, in fights,

864
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,599
don't be shocked to see Verde gets some attention when

865
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:43,800
he puts him on Canelo's undercard for example, to sort

866
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,280
of get him out there. But again it's a process.

867
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,440
You know, you're not going to get into the big

868
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,000
fights right off the bat. You know, he's not a

869
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,079
Lomachanko type that's fighting for a world title in his

870
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,639
you know, first couple of fights. But he'll definitely be

871
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,480
a prospect to watch. And knowing that Eddie is going

872
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:58,039
to be guiding the career, I think is probably a

873
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:58,400
good thing.

874
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: Right. A couple more items, Frank Warren announced a bunch

875
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,280
of signings. Again, I read my Dan Rayfield substack and

876
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,719
I saw this but illuminate and it's a couple of

877
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,639
world title holders that are part of this as well.

878
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Not a surprise that you would extend those guys go ahead.

879
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: But they were busy, I mean, Frank warrens Queensberry Promotions

880
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,360
in the last couple of years. Part of it's an influx,

881
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,599
I guess of their the money that they've made, and

882
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,400
they've got resources, and they've got a good TV agreement.

883
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:28,239
Obviously they promote Fury, They're heavily involved with the Saudi's.

884
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,480
There's there's money there and they've got a lot of

885
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,639
dates and and and the ability to put these guys

886
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:35,719
on and they've been moving their guys well, they've got

887
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,840
a tremendous stable, but those guys have contracts that come up,

888
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,280
and so it's it's important to keep your guys in

889
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,719
the fold. But they just re signed a bunch of

890
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,280
their best young fighters. One of them is one of

891
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,719
my favorite fighters to watch. That's the featherweight title holder

892
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,199
Nick Ball, who just comes off of a victory in

893
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:55,000
his hometown of Liverpool and the title defense. They resigned

894
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,719
the IBF Junior lightweight titleler Anthony Casachi, who pulled off

895
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,559
that huge knock upsite against Joe Cordina. So he's back

896
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,079
in business. He has a mandatory he's gonna have to do,

897
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:09,000
but he's back with with with Queensberry, they re signed

898
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,559
Hamsa Shiraz right now pressing business a world title fight.

899
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,599
He just looked awesome in winning the European title a

900
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,119
few weeks ago on the U was the Anthony Joshuander

901
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:19,800
card or was that better be I forget which one

902
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,000
was the Joshua.

903
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: The Joshuader card.

904
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's the European champ. But more notably, he

905
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,000
also is now mandatory to fight janebec a fight that

906
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:33,320
has now been ordered by by the WBO. So he

907
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,960
they those are three of the bigger names, but they

908
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,480
also signed like some other other promising guys. Sam Noakes,

909
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,960
who's the British and the Commonwealth lightweight champion who's got

910
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,440
a bright future, the the the outstanding heavyweight nineteen year

911
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,440
old tremendous probably the best heavyweight prospect in boxing, Moses E. Tama,

912
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,320
who you know has the look of a real future star,

913
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,519
I mean. And also the junior featherweight contender, Liam Davies

914
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,960
who has a fight coming up actually this weekend against

915
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:04,960
the Shabaz Maasud. So they they are, they're a loaded company.

916
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,119
That's just the guys they resigned. That's not even talking

917
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:09,480
about the other fighters that they have in their stable

918
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,119
like Tyson Fury and Daniel Dubois and others. So really good,

919
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,079
good moves for Queensberry.

920
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: And one more item. We did touch on this previously,

921
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,920
and now it is officially announced that mj Akmadaliev is

922
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:30,039
going to appear on the December fourteenth show in Mary

923
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,760
in Monte Carlo for Matchroom. Correct and tell me about

924
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,639
the opponent real quick.

925
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Mattriom, they do a show they try to

926
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,840
do them annually, one show a year in Monte Carlo.

927
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,280
I think they miss the year because of COVID and

928
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,559
this and that. But this is their fifth one and

929
00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:45,320
Akmadaliev is going to be on there against Ricardo Espinoza.

930
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,239
And look, we've discussed this on the show about how

931
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,119
they were looking to hold you know, the WB able

932
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,760
for a barrel because they believe he's the mandatory challenger

933
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,400
and you should not be giving in a way a

934
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,519
pass to fight somebody else like Sam Goodman before he

935
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:04,760
fights Amadalia. But I guess the end result was they

936
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,239
know that they still have a chance to get an

937
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:07,960
inn AA fight if they let the fight with Goodman

938
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,159
go through and he wins. And they know that if

939
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:12,639
they forced in a way to be stripped of the

940
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:15,239
WBA title and MJ win or fight for the WBA belt,

941
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,280
the amount of money to fight another opponent for the

942
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,880
vacant title will be dramatically less than if he gets

943
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,320
an opportunity to fight for n away. So the you know,

944
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:25,480
if they they're such a thing as splitting the baby,

945
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:29,000
as they say, the WBA agreed to allow him to

946
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,559
fight Espinosa for the interim title. It irritates me because

947
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:34,719
it's ridiculous that the interim title is going to be

948
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,159
fought for on December fourteenth, and ten days later, the

949
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,440
active champion is going to be defending the title against

950
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,639
Sam Goodman. You know, in my world, when I first

951
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,159
heard or learned about the existence of interim titles, to me,

952
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,119
it was okay, but it meant the guy was injured.

953
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,480
Obviously that's taken on a completely different meaning over the

954
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:53,079
last number of years. But nonetheless, Acma, Dive and Espinosa

955
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:56,519
will headline that particular card now with caveats, as they

956
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,760
put in their resolution for the WBA in allowing that

957
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,199
to be for the interim title, they did declare that

958
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,559
the inn away Goodman winner or in a Way if

959
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:06,880
it's a draw, because he would retain the title, must

960
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,920
face Achmadia if he beats Espinoza in a mandatory defense

961
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,920
within one hundred and twenty days of the fight, which

962
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,159
would line it up for that April time frame when

963
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:18,159
Top Rank plans to bring in a Way to Las

964
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,119
Vegas next spring, so that's a good thing. And also

965
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:24,559
the winner of that fight between in a Way and

966
00:45:24,559 --> 00:45:27,760
Goodman must notify the WBA if they intend to fight

967
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,639
the mandatory and they approved the fight. So you know,

968
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,079
in the end, I guess I don't love it, but

969
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,800
you know, it seems to accomplish a lot of things

970
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,360
for everybody, and at the end of the day, that's

971
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,280
a good thing. And then they add some other fights

972
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,440
to the card. He got the undefeated British cruiserweight champion

973
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:45,360
Chev Clark, who's looked good even though he's older at

974
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,039
thirty three, but as you know, still kind of newish

975
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,280
in the pro game. He'll defend our actually action to

976
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,920
say defend. He'll fight for the vacant European title. And

977
00:45:54,199 --> 00:45:56,800
Gary Cully of an Irish lightweight who was very exciting

978
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,880
did score had an upset loss not that long ago,

979
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,679
but he's back in action against the venerable veteran Maxi

980
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,920
Hughes in another one of the fights on that show.

981
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:07,920
So those Mini Carlos shows are always fun. They do

982
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,800
it at the fancy casino in Monte Carlo. It's usually

983
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,519
like a black tie type of crowd, a few hundred people,

984
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,320
but usually good TV.

985
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,639
Speaker 2: All right, And that leads us to some nostalgia and

986
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:24,239
speaking of Halloween, Halloween October thirty first, nineteen ninety eight

987
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,519
historic Yes, twenty six years ago. Nineteen ninety eight, historically

988
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:32,239
significant for one Dan Rayphiel because you were ringside for

989
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,679
the Prince, Prince Na Simhmed and Wayne McCullough, and it

990
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,760
was It's momentous because that's the first fight you covered

991
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,719
as the boxing writer and columnsts for USA Today, Right.

992
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,079
Speaker 1: Well, not entirely true. That was the first fight I

993
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,320
covered for USA Today. I was on a four month

994
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,199
loan from my other newspaper and I covered that event

995
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,639
And it was not until a year later, Gotcha, that

996
00:46:55,679 --> 00:46:57,239
I went back as the full time reporter. But it

997
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,880
still has a special place in my heart because it

998
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,840
was my first fight for USA Today. It was my

999
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,039
second ever world title fight. It was only my third

1000
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,480
ever professional boxing card that I covered. It was the

1001
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:12,800
first of what became two one hundred and thirty six

1002
00:47:13,039 --> 00:47:16,880
HBO cards I covered at ringside. Between this fight and

1003
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,559
the end of HBO in twenty eighteen, covered a lot

1004
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,480
of HBO cards. And while the fight itself was not

1005
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:25,440
a great fight, I mean McCullough, who was one of

1006
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,840
the greatest chins in the history of boxing, stood up

1007
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,920
to the massive punches of Prince Lassim it was not

1008
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,880
the most entertaining card. What was massively entertaining was the

1009
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Prince's ringwalk, which is absolutely unforgettable. And as I say

1010
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,719
to the kids, you can YouTube that up of him

1011
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,679
coming through at the This is at the Atlantic City

1012
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:43,039
Boardwalk hall. They had set up like a fake graveyard.

1013
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:46,119
It's it's Halloween. They're playing Michael Jackson's thriller. They got

1014
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,280
the headstone set up and the Prince is walking through

1015
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,519
and knock on. I remember, I remember, tremendous entertainment, just

1016
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:56,639
amazing and so like I couldn't tell you like what

1017
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,119
I did yesterday, but I could tell you chapter and

1018
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:00,800
verse about the shit that I did that week because

1019
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,239
it was so impressions, such an impression on my mind,

1020
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,559
because it was like first time of being in big

1021
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,519
time boxing. Like I told you, I had covered a

1022
00:48:09,519 --> 00:48:12,440
small card in Sarahtoga Springs. I had covered a card,

1023
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,360
you know, an ABC wide World of Sports card that

1024
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,880
wasn't a huge deal with Too Sharp Johnson up in

1025
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,199
turning Stone, which was not far from where I was

1026
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,760
working in upstate New York. But now I'm at USA

1027
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,920
today writing for the national newspaper. I'm going Atlantic City

1028
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,199
to cover a major world title tripleheader, as a matter

1029
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:32,760
of fact, two of the fights on HBO, and it

1030
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,400
was it was at this event where I met and

1031
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,719
began relationships with so many people in the boxing industry

1032
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:42,840
that even to this day I'm still in touch with.

1033
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,199
It's the first time I ever met a multitude of people,

1034
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,800
the the late great Dan Goosen, who became a very

1035
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,280
close friend of mine. I met him, he passed a

1036
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,760
number of years ago. But I also met people like

1037
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Tom Brown, who was you know it, his brother in law,

1038
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,280
who now is the promoter for TGB. It's where I

1039
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,000
met many of the HBO people at the time, Loud Debelle,

1040
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:01,760
who I still talk to well, you know, a couple

1041
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,599
times a week, who's now a promoter. It's where I

1042
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:07,480
met the late great promoter Sedri Kushner. Where I met

1043
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:09,480
people on the PR staff that I still deal with,

1044
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,239
the Fred Sternberg who's in the Hall of Fame, the

1045
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,639
great Race Talone who was at HBO for many, many years,

1046
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,800
who's now working with Prime Video as a consultant, who

1047
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,440
I deal with on a regular basis. Anyway, lots of

1048
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,960
great people that I've known for many years. And then

1049
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,039
the card itself. Obviously McCulla and Ahmed's the main event,

1050
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,360
but you also had the other HBO fight was a

1051
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,519
junior a featherweight world title fight between the South African

1052
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,039
champ Vianni Bungu, who I actually view as a borderline

1053
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:38,119
Hall of Fame candidate against Danny Romero, who obviously was

1054
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:41,239
well known to the American public and in significant fights.

1055
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,320
Those are the two HBO fights. Now, there was another

1056
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,960
world title fight that wasn't even televised in the United States.

1057
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,360
It was on in the UK where Ahmed was a

1058
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,039
pay per view over there on Sky Sports back in

1059
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,199
that time, and that was Marco Antonio Brera, who won

1060
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,960
the WBO's vacant one hundred and twenty two pound title

1061
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,880
and a devastating performance against Richie Winton. Remember that. And oh,

1062
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,719
by the way, how about a young prospect who was

1063
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,239
eight and oh at the time name Ricky hadn't in

1064
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:09,679
his first American fight.

1065
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and you were there for that, and I was there.

1066
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: I remember that. I mean I remember like he was

1067
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,480
already getting some hype and they were the Brits that

1068
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,199
I knew that I had met. We're talking about watch

1069
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,559
this kid, blah blah, blah. So it was. It was

1070
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,599
a very big deal for me personally, and I can

1071
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,079
remember coming back. Remember USA Today does not publish on

1072
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:29,679
the weekend, so if you were in an event on

1073
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,159
a Saturday night. This is before, by the way, like

1074
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:35,159
the relative existence of the World Wide Web in any

1075
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:38,559
meaningful way. Nobody was right website stories or anything like that.

1076
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:42,039
So when I came back to I had driven up

1077
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,599
to Atlantic City. You know, I had actually asked USA Today.

1078
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,360
I wasn't like a sign to do it. They had

1079
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,159
told me I was writing baseball, you know, in college

1080
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,000
basketball and college football. They're like, if there's other things

1081
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:54,960
you'd like to do, you know, we're going to make

1082
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,599
you work your ass off. But if there's other stuff,

1083
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,599
then you can accommodate it because they're getting your stuff done.

1084
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,039
Let us know and we'll try to commodate you. So

1085
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,239
I asked the editor. I said, hey, you know, what

1086
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,280
would you think about me covering this boxing event. They

1087
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,639
knew I liked boxing. I'd written a couple of boxing

1088
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,920
stories already for the paper, and they're like, yeah, that's

1089
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,760
a good idea. So they were gave me the green light.

1090
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:14,760
I rented a car and I drove up to Atlantic

1091
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,480
City and when I came back, I wrote a story

1092
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,880
that was in the paper. I'd written a preview for

1093
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,639
the fight. I was, you know what, TJ. I've been

1094
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:24,280
doing this a long time, but those times in my life,

1095
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,920
at that time, at the beginning, my excitement. I'm still

1096
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,280
excited to do this, but it was off the charts

1097
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,639
back then. I'm going to Atlantic City to cover an

1098
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,519
HBO fight with world champions and they're paying me to

1099
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:35,920
do this, Are you fucking kid? I was like a

1100
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:36,880
kid in a candy store.

1101
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:39,119
Speaker 2: It was great, and the Prince was there, and that

1102
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,880
ring walk is legendary. So go back and look at

1103
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,519
twenty six years ago, Halloween of ninety eight.

1104
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: And by the way I did I post, I actually

1105
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:48,480
had dug it out. I had a picture of it

1106
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,119
in my role of old boxing photos. I posted my

1107
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,960
credential from that fight on my social media the first ever.

1108
00:51:56,119 --> 00:51:58,239
Like I said, two hundred and thirty six HBO fights.

1109
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,360
It's got to start somewhere, and that was Nomber one

1110
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:00,559
for me.

1111
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:05,199
Speaker 2: Credible, incredible that it's that number, all right. So we

1112
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,679
back up to Halloween of ninety two, thirty two years

1113
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,880
ago now and Lenox Lewis and Razor Ruddock. Where Lennox

1114
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,079
Lewis had been the Olympic champion and now on the

1115
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,519
professional stage. This really announced his presence on the world

1116
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:27,719
championship stage here all right, so tell me more about him.

1117
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:32,360
Lenox destroying Razor Ruddock Halloween of ninety two.

1118
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:34,639
Speaker 1: This was a big deal. I mean, this was when

1119
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:38,400
it was made. This was the eliminator, the final eliminator

1120
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,559
for a chance to fight for the WBC heavyweight title,

1121
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:42,400
which at the time was held by Riddick bow who

1122
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,719
obviously was Lennox's rival. He had Lennox had defeated him

1123
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,320
for the gold medal in the Olympic Games. They obviously

1124
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,840
did not like each other. And the thing was, the

1125
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,400
winner of this fight is going to get a chance

1126
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,039
to fight against Ridig both for the heavyweight championship. Now,

1127
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,400
in terms of Razor Ruddick, he had a lot of

1128
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,639
street crew so to speak going into this fight. Now,

1129
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,119
he had had two losses in ninety one against Mike

1130
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:07,639
Tyson in their back to back fight, so one of

1131
00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:10,679
them was the extremely controversial stoppage in the first fight.

1132
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:13,840
He then went to distance in a loss that was

1133
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,039
a decision in the second fight. So I'm always a

1134
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:18,519
little skeptical when a guy makes his name off of losses.

1135
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,119
But still, Razor Rodick was still a rough, tough, good

1136
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,599
quality heavyweight at the time, and he had bounced back

1137
00:53:25,079 --> 00:53:28,320
from that two fight loss in a row to Tyson.

1138
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,360
And again he's not beating like huge, top top guys,

1139
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,400
but he defeated the former title holder Greg Page in

1140
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,880
a knockout. Greg obviously was past his prime at that point,

1141
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,360
but then he also had an early knockout against the

1142
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,360
undefeated Phil Jackson, which was a pretty good win for him.

1143
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: Not the Bulls and Lakers, Phil Jackson's the box in

1144
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:47,280
Phil Jackson right exactly.

1145
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: Who also Phil Jackson, another point in his career, had

1146
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,079
been knocked out by Lennox in a title fight. But

1147
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,480
in any event, that set him up to do this

1148
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:59,000
fight against Lennox Lewis. They fought in England. They did

1149
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,440
it late night, like middle of the night, because it

1150
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,480
was to accommodate the live HBO broadcast of the fight,

1151
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:08,960
and Lennox Lewis, who at that point in his career

1152
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,480
had not fought, he was obviously people thought he was

1153
00:54:11,519 --> 00:54:15,039
a future possible champion with the Olympic background and the

1154
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:18,360
types of performances he had had, but he had really

1155
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,639
not fought big name guys. I mean, yeah, he had

1156
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,000
knocked out Tyrrel Biggs, who was an Olympic gold medalist,

1157
00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:26,119
but Biggs was kind of past his best days. He

1158
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:28,760
knocked him out on an undercard of an Evander Holyfield fight.

1159
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,360
He was gaining notoriety. He's been fighting on HBO, but

1160
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,079
no one at the level of Roddick. Roddick was considered.

1161
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,800
This is a real dangerous test for Lennox Lewis, who

1162
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,519
we didn't know if he could take a great shot,

1163
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,920
and we knew Ruddick could bang. He had gone twelve

1164
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,159
rounds with Mike Tyson. The knockout had been controversial. Anyway,

1165
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,679
they get in the ring to do the business and

1166
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,519
Lennox Lewis looks absolutely sensational, scored a devastating second round knockout,

1167
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:57,360
had Razor Roudick flopping around, and I remember in the

1168
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,400
back of my mind the the exclamation from my dear

1169
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,920
friend Larry Merchant, you know, we've got a great new

1170
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,719
heavyweight on the boxing scene.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And he put his stamp of approval on Lennox Lewis,

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and then Lennox was supposed to fight uh Riddick Bow.

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00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,920
I mean that was a fight everybody wanted to see

1175
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:16,960
and Riddick Bow, uh through the through the belt in

1176
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,280
the trash can wouldn't fight him, and the.

1177
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Speaker 2: W A famously he literally dumped into the trash at

1178
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a press conference.

1179
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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean by the way, and Lennox had knocked

1180
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:27,360
the Ruddick down in the first round and then also

1181
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,880
two more times in the second round, and it just

1182
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,639
a devastating performance. Uh, and maybe it gave Ridick Bow

1183
00:55:31,679 --> 00:55:34,360
second thoughts about fighting guy already had stopped him in

1184
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,920
the amateurs in the gold medal match in the Olympic Games. Anyway, Uh,

1185
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,360
this had been the eliminator for the title. And when

1186
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,760
when Riddick was relieved of the title, he threw the

1187
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,119
belt in the garbage and and vacated the title, whichever

1188
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:50,480
you want to say. The WBC made Lennox retroactively the

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00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,320
champion of the WBC, similar to what they had done

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00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,360
many years earlier, when uh, you know, with Kenny Norton

1191
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,719
getting the title, uh and having never actually won it

1192
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,719
in the ring even though he one fights and then

1193
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,119
defending it and losing it to uh.

1194
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 2: Have nostalgia tag on your nostalgia because it just jogged

1195
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me and I just looked and we will probably talk

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about this here in a couple of weeks. But the

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Bow holy Field undisputed epic first fight was a couple

1198
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,480
of weeks later, So this Lewis fight kind of wetted

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00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:20,920
your appetite before Bow and Holyfield fought in Las Vegas.

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Interesting in the timeline.

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Speaker 1: And Lenox was ringside for that Bow holy Field fight,

1202
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and I remember them interviewing him on HBO and him

1203
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,000
and Riddick almost got into a fist fight on the

1204
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,760
broadcast at ringside after the fight that when they were

1205
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,119
talking to him in the you know, with the HBO

1206
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:39,000
crew of of announcers. But anyway, tremendous uh performance from Lex.

1207
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:41,079
I mean, honestly, Lennox had a lot of great performances

1208
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:44,199
in his career. But for me anyway, and I remember

1209
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,199
watching this fight when it happened, I'm like, I don't

1210
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:49,119
know what's gonna happen in the future, but Lennox Lewis

1211
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:51,320
is a fucking dangerous dude. I mean, he's got a

1212
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,400
devastating right hand. He was tall, and he was quick,

1213
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,199
and he was coordinated, and uh, he looked like the

1214
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,800
real deal. Now. He obviously had his ups and downs,

1215
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,920
a couple of rough knockout lost where he wasn't really

1216
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,280
paying attention to his opponent very much. But in the end,

1217
00:57:03,519 --> 00:57:04,440
you know, he turned out to be one of the

1218
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,800
great heavyweights of all time, and this was really his

1219
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,840
first great performance of what was a great career. And

1220
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,880
he went on and defended the title you know he had.

1221
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:14,400
He made a mandatory in his next fight against Tony Tucker.

1222
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:16,159
He went back for the Mega fight in the UK

1223
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,760
at the National Stadium in Cardiff in ninety three and

1224
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,599
knocked out the very popular brit of Frank Bruno. In

1225
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,599
a huge all British fight, Denny knocked out Philo Jackson,

1226
00:57:24,639 --> 00:57:27,239
who I told you had already been defeated by Razor Ruddick.

1227
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:30,559
And then of course came the crazy Ko upset to

1228
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:34,280
Oliver Recall. But the Rutti fight was something spectacular. And

1229
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,760
now I guess we're gonna go a little bit about

1230
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,920
the undercard, yes, which on the HBO broadcast. I don't

1231
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,679
remember if it happened in real time after the fact,

1232
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,920
or they it happened before the Lennox Lewis ruddif fight,

1233
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,159
but they showed it on HBO on tape delay afterwards.

1234
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,719
But nonetheless, this was Meldrick Taylor defend. You know, everybody

1235
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:55,960
says the end of Meldrick Taylor was the Chabas fight.

1236
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:58,280
The first fight where the two seconds and he got

1237
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,159
stopped with that very controversial knockout loss to Chabas in

1238
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,400
the epic classic, one of the all time great fights.

1239
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,559
But he did go on to win another world championship

1240
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,159
after this happened. Remember when he fought to fight with Chabas,

1241
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,199
he lost one hundred and forty pounds title. And when

1242
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,320
he came back, he was fighting as a welterweight and

1243
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,559
he had a couple of fights and then he finally

1244
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:21,079
fought against Aaron Davis. This this is like he fought

1245
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:22,920
one fight and then he fought Aaron Davis and he

1246
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,119
won the WBA's welterweight title. And he made a couple

1247
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,119
of defenses and he fought some guys and this and that,

1248
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:32,719
and then he got absolutely destroyed by Terry Norris. But

1249
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,519
that was over the weight hunt that was above the

1250
00:58:35,519 --> 00:58:38,199
welterweight limits, so his title was not at stake so

1251
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:40,519
he got pummeled by Terry Norris in like four rounds,

1252
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,039
and then he came back still as the WBA welterweight

1253
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,360
champ and he defended it against Crossanto Espania on this card.

1254
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,360
Espanya was twenty seven to zero when they fought. And

1255
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,159
this to me, whatever you think about the Chavis fight,

1256
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,360
whatever you think about how he didn't look good against

1257
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,800
certain guys, or he got fucking annihilated by Terry Norris

1258
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,280
in a much heavier weight against a guy that was

1259
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,079
a lot bigger than him, a Spanya, in my mind,

1260
00:59:04,119 --> 00:59:06,559
that's really what was the true end of Meldrick Taylor.

1261
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:08,800
People forget he won another world title and Aaron Davis

1262
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,199
was no joke. He was an undefeated guy and he

1263
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,079
won a pretty solid decision against him, But Aspanya just

1264
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:17,519
took him apart, knocked him out in the eighth round,

1265
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:20,159
and then Don King cleaned him up and gave him

1266
00:59:20,159 --> 00:59:22,800
like a couple of you know, three tomato can tight fights,

1267
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:24,800
and then stuck him in the ring with Chavis for

1268
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,519
the rematch, and he put up a good fight but

1269
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:28,719
got knocked out again. But to me, the real end

1270
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,360
of the day, of the real career of Meldrick Taylor

1271
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,960
was the chrissanto, a spaging fight that happened on this

1272
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:38,760
card where the main event was Lenox loss. Great performance

1273
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:39,480
against this.

1274
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 2: Is why we have you here. Nobody else would have

1275
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:44,840
known that or known that that was there. And it's

1276
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,960
sad because Melder Taylor kept fighting on for years after

1277
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,480
that into the late nineties. Awful and maybe even.

1278
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: Mela Taylor thought. By the way, his last fight was

1279
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,760
two thousand and two. The Chavez won happened in.

1280
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: What nineteen nineteen ninety March of ninete.

1281
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: The fact that he continued and by the way, it's

1282
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,039
said because you know, you watched the video of the

1283
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:07,000
Legendary Nights and they would show him speaking in an

1284
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,639
interview prior to Chavez and he's passed and quick witted

1285
01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:12,360
and all there. And then they juxtaposed it with an

1286
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,400
interview that they did many many years later, and they

1287
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,639
have to put subtitles because he can't understand what he's saying.

1288
01:00:16,679 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: I know. Terrible on on that all right, great stuff

1289
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,880
with the previews, the news. We gave you some good

1290
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,760
nostalgia there on Princeville, Simjamed Lennox Lewis, why don't we reconvene,

1291
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,920
my friend, and we'll handicap uh these two different the

1292
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,599
title fight with Conse sal and Oshaki Foster, as well

1293
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,000
as Floyd Schofield's Golden Boy main event. We'll do that

1294
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:42,360
on the bet Us Boxing Show one Eastern Time, coming

1295
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,599
up on Friday afternoon on the bet Us platforms. I

1296
01:00:46,719 --> 01:00:48,480
look forward to doing that with you. And then, as

1297
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,880
I always said to the audience, whatever happens, Dan Rayfield

1298
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,679
will be back off the weekend in November. Two months

1299
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,440
left in the year. We'll be back in November with

1300
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,239
the interview, recap the fights and what else you got

1301
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,400
coming on the recap pod. What else you have?

1302
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,239
Speaker 1: We have my interview with the excellent, undefeated, up and

1303
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:11,280
coming lightweight contender Keishaan Davis, who will fight one week

1304
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,239
from Friday on the ESPN Plus main event in his

1305
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,599
hometown of nor for Virginia. We had a great interview.

1306
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:17,880
I think people are gonna really like it.

1307
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: All right, there's a tease. You're getting good at this

1308
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,679
teas thing that's coming for the weekend pod, The Fight

1309
01:01:22,719 --> 01:01:26,360
Freaks to Night Recap. Let's reconvene one Eastern time Friday.

1310
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,760
What do you say and handicap some more and take

1311
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,000
some live Q and a, et cetera for some boxing

1312
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:34,840
for this weekend. Halloween is done, the Yankees are done.

1313
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:35,360
We're moving on.

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Speaker 1: They had to go there, dude.

1315
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:42,119
Speaker 2: Look, you know, I'm no Eddie Renoso ridiculing you about

1316
01:01:42,119 --> 01:01:44,519
the Dodgers, but I will say Louisio mucho in Spanish.

1317
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:47,559
Speaker 1: By the way, I've been ridiculed by the I've also

1318
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:50,360
been ridiculed by by by my man Eric Gomez from

1319
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,400
Golden Bays Doctor Part Sure.

1320
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: All the West came here.

1321
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,559
Speaker 1: From a bunch of my la PEPs.

1322
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the West Coast people, they're gonna be unbearable.

1323
01:01:57,639 --> 01:02:01,239
The paradeus Friday in honor of Fernando Valensla's birthday would

1324
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,519
have been his sixty third birthday on Friday. How about that?

1325
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: You doing there?

1326
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: Correct with that, my friend? To have a good weekend.

1327
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,519
I'll see you on the bet Us Show. We'll recap

1328
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,400
the pods coming off the weekend again. Final subscribe Apple, Spreaker,

1329
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,599
Spotify here to the podcast feed. For now, you've been

1330
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