Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to episode thirty one of A Wickedly
Weird with Jerry and Amanda.
Speaker 2: I am Eduardo and I am Cynthia. That is not
your name, like your name Eduardo Uato, Amanda.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything crazy go on? It's been two
weeks since we talked.
Speaker 3: It has been Do I have anything crazy?
Speaker 2: No, But we did have to put my dog down unfortunately, Like, yeah,
Memorial Day weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was very I've got a chance to see
him several times on the camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just was old.
Speaker 2: He was shitting himself and it was just like he
was just a mess. He could barely walk, like he
had some issues. So it was time. It was tough.
But they gave us his remains back, all his remains
that sounds terrible. They gave us his ashes back, and
they clipped some of his fur and did pop prints
and it was really super nice. It was just they
were like a really good hospital that we brought him to.
So it wasn't as dramatic as I thought it was
going to be bringing him in because he is he's
he's had like dementia. I think he was like walking
in circles and like doing all this weird stuff and so,
and you know, I think the tipping part was that,
you know, my daughter got off the bus and he
like he bitter. He didn't draw blood or anything, but
he bitter. And I was like, all right, it was
like he didn't know her. It was just it was
really weird. He's never done that in all of her
eight years of life. He's never once. I mean, like
he's guarded my children. He never ever would do anything.
So I was like, all right, something's really wrong. And
then he like nipped it me a few times, and
I'm like, okay, this is not You're not the same.
So instead of putting him through tests and things like that,
I was like, you know what, he can't walk, he's
got all these problems.
Speaker 3: It's time to go. It was the right thing to do. So, yeah,
I didn't feel good, but.
Speaker 1: I knew over the last several months you were saying that, yeah,
he's just going to the bathroom in the house to
make it outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I probably should have put him down six
months ago, but like I just was like, oh no,
because he would.
Speaker 3: Have like glimmers of like his own self.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, am I making And that's when that's
when it gets hard because you don't know, like is
he just old or is he like something going on.
Speaker 3: So we made the call and we just put him down.
It sucked. It was horrible.
Speaker 2: I mean, he guarded me till the end, like awful.
But I'm never getting a dog again, so we're fine.
Oh I'm saying it. I'm nope, no, no, I can't.
Like it's horrible, Like I don't understand it is.
Speaker 1: But there's just something about an animal's unconditioning love that
adds joy to your life. Right, we said the same
thing when Ninja passed. It's going to be at least
a year. We had a new dog in three months.
It wouldn't anything negative against Ninja, but it was just
like we just missed that so much.
Speaker 2: Well, it is weird because like I had to finally
so like we had his dog dish and stuff, and
I had to put that away because I kept trying
to put water in it and I knowed I was like,
this is not healthy, this is not great and part
of the grieving process, so I stuck it away in
a closet.
Speaker 3: I didn't throw it away, but I did have to
throw away.
Speaker 2: His bedding and all of that because it was a mess,
but like it's it's just not good.
Speaker 1: Well that's not going to be an easy transition into
our show, but it is. Yeah, yep, I'm sorry that
you had to you had to use your doggie because
I know how tough that is.
Speaker 3: That's tough. Like, what how come you guys put Ninja down?
What was up with him?
Speaker 1: He had complete kidney failure. That all took place really
quick over like yeah, we're going to have period.
Speaker 3: And there was nothing you could there was.
Speaker 1: Nothing we could do, and he got to the point
where he was barely even moving over like a three
day period from where he quit eating to where he
just wasn't moving, and then he couldn't even get up
to go pee. He would pee on hisself. And we
were hoping that over the weekend he'd get better, and
if not, we were gonna have to make a point
because we'd already taken him to the doctor there and
he said he had kidney failure.
Speaker 4: And they gave us a few things to look at
and then you know, if he gets better, then you know,
but if he doesn't get any better, it's he's not
you know, in these three days he's not going to
get any better, and.
Speaker 3: It's just such a shitty feeling.
Speaker 2: I felt like I'm like I'm a murderer, even though
that's not it, but that's just how you feel, right.
Speaker 1: But man, you don't want to have that control over anybody.
Speaker 2: No, I could never. I'm like I could, I would
be terrible at being god. Like you're cute, you can
live to a thousand, like, no problem.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just so gross.
Speaker 2: And you know, on top of it, so like my daughter,
she keeps saying how much she misses them and this
and that because it's sunk in. When I brought home
it's like ashes, I was like, yeah, he's not coming back,
and like that just that was it.
Speaker 3: So now every time I say it I miss Loki,
I'm like, ugh, I do too. Please stop.
Speaker 2: So I mean, you know, you've got my son, who
was fine, he processed it, he was good.
Speaker 3: But now it's can we get a dog?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, nope, you can get a fish.
Speaker 3: That's what you can get a fish. Like I am done.
Speaker 2: My hat was broken and it will nefip be the same.
But you know, now that we started this on such
a drab note.
Speaker 1: It's trust me it's pretty I'm.
Speaker 2: Really really sorry that you guys are listening to this
right now and.
Speaker 3: Having to be like, oh, so.
Speaker 1: It's something almost everybody can relate.
Speaker 3: To, though Oh is there death involved?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, not the story, but I mean
listening to us because yeah, I mean lost a pet.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, lost a pet, did something. It's just frigging
it's just not great. And of course, like I did
catch myself once slipping up looking on like the MSPCA
dot com and then I was like, no, what are
you doing. You don't want this right now, like you
need to just give time. So right now, in the
department of dogs, it's not happening. Side note, if I
do get a dog, it's going to be like a
Corgie or some sort of smaller breed dog, because man,
oh man, did I learn a lesson?
Speaker 1: All right, Amanda, I got a messed up story for you.
So wait, we'll definitely be changing gears here. First of all,
do you know what a shaman is?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 1: I would you like to give a definition he.
Speaker 2: Is, like an isn't that like a Native American? Like
I don't know how to describe it without being offensive,
like a which doctor type thing, right, Like, well, they
go in and they clear like bad spirits out of
the house and the land, and they use not incense,
what do they call that sage and they do all
that jazz right for the.
Speaker 1: Most part, yes, but it can be it doesn't have
to be Native American. It can be any type of
spiritual person person over you know, like the story we're
going to talk about the gentleman was in Indonesia, so okay,
but but yes, for the most part.
Speaker 3: That's Wait, what are Native Americans though? Is that I
thought there.
Speaker 1: Were Native American shamans.
Speaker 3: Too, Okay, all right, all right, so at least I
was right there on that.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's not only Native Americans, Okay, all right.
This happened in Indonesia about the time that I graduated
high school in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3: Nineteen oh six, okay.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty six, smart ass. So there was a woman
who was in need of some spiritual advice, and there
was one man around town that had a really good
reputation for being a shaman and helping people out in
those situations. That man was Ahmad Seraji.
Speaker 3: Saraji.
Speaker 1: They said he had a fantastic reputation. All the people
in town knew. That's who you went to if you
had certain things that you wanted.
Speaker 3: Done, you had a demon in your house.
Speaker 1: Not so much that, but he was kind of more
of a sorcerer. Now for most of us this might
seem kind of crazy, but to many people in Indonesia,
a shama a shaman, not a shama a shaman, could
actually provide a new perspective on life. Now, as far
as Ahmad Suraji she went. Women would visit him for
several different reasons, including to make them more beautiful or
become wealthier, and he would cast all kinds of spells.
One of the most common spells was to make their
husbands more faithful. See this young lady. She goes to
the shamans home a mon. There's a sugarcane field very
close to his house. He suggests to her that they
take a walk in this field. Okay, now I know
what you're thinking.
Speaker 3: What am I thinking?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't this damage the sugar cane walking over what?
Speaker 3: I don't even know what sugarcane like looks like? What
it help me understand?
Speaker 1: Well, it's just tall, tall, like grassy looking stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, what's the what's the thing that looks like a
corn dog? What is that?
Speaker 1: What is that? That's uh no, it's not the willow.
It's if you hadn't asked me, I would have known it.
So it'll come to me in a second.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well sorry, real jew, but.
Speaker 1: I beat his dogs or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know, okay, like cats. I don't know. It's
a cattail. It's fine.
Speaker 1: That is cattails. That's what it is.
Speaker 3: A cat tail. I was right.
Speaker 1: I guess that's cattails. That's what exactly.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: So there they go walking in this sugar cane field
and they walk up to a pre dug hole. So
he tells her to climb into the hall.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: It was just big enough to fit her body in.
Speaker 2: A problem with this, it was the lady said, okay,
no problem, I'm gonna get into my own grave.
Speaker 3: That's what she did. Is it's going to be murder.
Speaker 1: The thing was only about waist high.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: She she gets in, and he proceeds to fill the
hole up with dirt around her until she's completely buried
up to her waist.
Speaker 3: Oh no, nope.
Speaker 1: So, as you guessed already, this woman would not leave
that hole alive. So once he had the hole filled in,
Ahmad wrapped a cable around her throat, and as she
thrashed around, he strangled the life out of her.
Speaker 3: I knew it. I knew it was going to be
something terrible and horrific.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really weird. As if that wasn't
weird enough, he gathered up as much of her saliva
as he possibly could, dripping from her mouth, and he
drank it.
Speaker 3: What the fuck would why would someone do that?
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 2: Wait, pause, hold on, just just just just a cup
of it.
Speaker 3: Just not a big deal, just a cup of her
salive and had after.
Speaker 1: Whatever he could get out of her mouth.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1: Okay, And are there's some fetishes out there? That's what
I hadn't heard of. But this isn't a fetish situation.
Speaker 3: No, this is a murder situation. He's a serial killer.
Speaker 1: He then stripped her naked, buried her into sugar cane field,
making sure that her head was facing toward his house,
so her dead body underground was looking.
Speaker 3: I hope this is a zombie situation. I truly do.
I hope she gets up out of that grave and
eats them.
Speaker 1: She does not, And Amanda, this was only the beginning. Now,
I'm sure you're curious as to how all this started
and what the hell was going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely want to know why he's doing what
he's doing and why we need.
Speaker 1: We need to go back a little bit. There isn't
much known about Ahmad's early life, but what we do
know is that right before his first kill, he had
a dream.
Speaker 3: Wait, hold on, pause, that was his first kill? Was
this woman? Right?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right. In this dream, his deceased father
came to him. His father told him that he needed
to become a mystic healer. In order to get the
powers needed to become this mystic healer, he was going
to have to drink the saliva of seventy dead young women.
Speaker 3: Oh of course, of course it's got to.
Speaker 1: Oh So, when Amada woke up from this dream, he
felt like that he now had a purpose in.
Speaker 3: Life to be a murderer. Excellent.
Speaker 1: He was also a cattle farmer and was married not
to one or two, but three women who were all sisters.
Speaker 2: Ah, it just gets worse, so much worse, because you
and I both to know what was going on.
Speaker 1: There, So he fills them into what's going on, and
they said they were one percent behind him.
Speaker 2: Of course they were, because they also they didn't want
to be one two three victims. But they said, yes, absolutely,
you do what you got to do, just don't do me.
Speaker 1: One of his u sister wives actually helped him out.
So Mad knew that it was gonna take way too
long to come across seventy dead people who still had salava,
because most dead people their slava gone.
Speaker 3: He didn't want to do the killing.
Speaker 2: Is that like, is there like a rebuttal here where
he's just like, I don't really want to kill people.
Speaker 3: I don't drink there's saliva, not at all.
Speaker 1: He's the one that suggested that, you know, if I'm
going to get it just done on a timely fashion
and become this master healer I want to be, I'm
gonna have to kill him myself.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: He did have a plan though, to avoid being caught.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: He would often have prostitutes come to him and ask
for spells that would make them more attractive to men
so they could make more money.
Speaker 3: Oh, business was booming, was so most of.
Speaker 1: These prostitutes didn't have any kind of contact with their families,
so if they went missing, there was no one to
report the disppin.
Speaker 3: That is so awful to think.
Speaker 1: It's all the time though. Prostitutes and homeless people are
always target.
Speaker 3: It's really sad, honestly, it's so sad. They have no
one until they come and get them like ough.
Speaker 1: So he would find these prostitutes and he would lure
them back to the house and then to the sugar field,
all with the promise that he could make them more
attractive to men. He was decided, though, you know what,
I can't kill all these prostitutes. Some of them might
have to let go back because they all just start disappearing,
one right after another.
Speaker 2: I mean, did he have to I couldn't he just
say can you spit in this cup? And I were
going to pretend that I you're dead?
Speaker 1: No, because remember it, I mean, you can't cheat the spirits, Amanda.
It's his father told me.
Speaker 2: In this case, maybe his papa, no, well maybe his
papa was not really his papa and he was sated.
Speaker 1: Were you saying he was like a Maury you were
not the father?
Speaker 3: No? This is not no, he's no, he is he
was talking to a devil. He wasn't talking to her
his papa. There's no way. That's not great parental advice.
Speaker 1: He decided that he was going to be very selective
and cautious about who he picked.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: So Mad began killing women, and no one had a clue.
This happened one by one. He would take them to
a hoe, hang them until they were dead, take their
clothes off, and then bury them.
Speaker 2: That's all he did, though he didn't do anything further
with the taking of the clothes off, right.
Speaker 1: No, he just did that so the bodies would decompose
it faster.
Speaker 3: Oh all right, well, hey, hey, okay.
Speaker 1: So he would end up, you know, taking all these
heads of the girls and face them towards his house. Oh,
just because he felt like that that would put more
power towards him. So you know, you could see the
logic in that.
Speaker 3: Of course, silly me. Oops, my bad, my mistake.
Speaker 1: Oops, Amanda. This would go on for eleven years, but
it was gonna soon come to an end. And I'll
tell you how after this quick sponsor break. Okay, in
nineteen ninety seven, eleven years later, still Shy have his
goal of seventy women mind you. Ahmad met a twenty
one year old by the name of Shri Kamala Dewey
and on April twenty fourth, Shree asked a rickshaw driver
for a ride to Ahmad's house. But she asked the
rickshaw driver not to tell anybody this was a secret.
And then she said, you know, I'm not gonna need
a ride to pick me up. How right she was
on that one. Nope, Just like so many other women
before her, Shre disappeared, but not for long.
Speaker 3: I hope that there's some ghostery affoot. There is some
ghoulish actions. There is iron being.
Speaker 2: That takes this this a hole out well.
Speaker 1: Three days after she made her visit, a man was
walking through the sugar cane field. He noticed some freshly
disturbed dirt.
Speaker 3: Oh what a thing to stumble upon.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he starts digging in the dirt and he
sees part of a dead body. He immediately goes to
get help. Now, when I say help, you probably think
the police.
Speaker 3: Or no, you went to get the shaman.
Speaker 1: He don't know. He went to go get some friends
and some other villagers and they came and they dug
up the body, and then they called the police. Police
were probably happy. They're like, that's let's work. We gotta do.
Speaker 2: Well, right, but like you're okay, you know what, it's
a different country, different rules, Okay, Yeah, doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, the sugar cane field was close
to Ammad's home, but it was huge and anybody could
have been using it as a dumping ground. So there
was nothing at all that made a Mod looked like
a suspect.
Speaker 2: Right, because it could be anything. It could be anybody, right,
when you have a land that was all his land, right.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't his land. It was just close to
his Okay.
Speaker 3: It's just close to his house. Yeah, so so that's true.
What would pin him there?
Speaker 1: Nothing except that's when the rickshaw driver had seen on
the news that Shri had been found and he knew
where he dropped her off at. So he went to
police and he told them, you know what dropped her
off right there at this house. When the police went
to a Mod's home, he denied having anything to do
with Shree's death.
Speaker 2: Of course, Oh yeah, he's not gonna be like, hi me,
it was me, me, I did it.
Speaker 1: Upon further inspection, they found Shree's dress, purse, and one
of her bracelets. Apparently he had kept it as a souvenir,
maybe even thinking that it would make the power strong.
Speaker 2: You know what, I think, he's just murderer and he
needed an excuse.
Speaker 3: That's what I think, low life scumbag, murderer.
Speaker 1: Well, they arrest him in April of nineteen ninety seven
and they begin to interrogate him. When first he was like,
and you know what, I don't know what you're talking about.
He wouldn't forthcome in at all, But eventually he started
to open up a little bit, and he would tell
police about each victim and where he buried each one
of them. Oh, he admitted to forty two murders.
Speaker 3: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Police had the sugar cane field dug up and there
were in fact, forty two bodies there. I'll tell you this,
he was an excellent record keeper, because there's no way
I could have told you where forty two different bodies
were buried and who they were.
Speaker 3: He just knew exactly where everything was.
Speaker 2: That maybe he knew eventually he was going to get caught,
so might as well just keep a journal, if you would, And.
Speaker 1: He might have very well done that. He had no
sympathy at offers victims, but he was very upset that
he didn't hit his goal of seventy.
Speaker 3: Of course he was go oriented usually, but yeah, this
case is not.
Speaker 1: One of them.
Speaker 3: Imagine that.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm so sad I didn't meet my goal. Oh boy.
Speaker 1: Well, Ahmad and his three wives were all arrested, but
only one of them was seen as a true accomplice.
That was the one that we said earlier had been
helping him.
Speaker 3: It was helping.
Speaker 1: Ahmad and his wife slash sister, were both given the
death penalty.
Speaker 3: Good Bye his wife, though Mini.
Speaker 1: Fittingly, her sentence was changed to life, so she did
not get the death penalty.
Speaker 3: She's still in prison today.
Speaker 1: As far as I know, Ahmad had no such luck.
He was killed by firing squad in July of two
thousand and feet.
Speaker 2: Holy crap, that really wasn't that long ago when you
think about it, I mean, what are you thirty year old?
So like that didn't happen that long ago.
Speaker 1: I think I was a little older than thirty when
it happened.
Speaker 3: But the thing that that happened in your like, I'm
I was forty.
Speaker 1: I was born in sixty eight, so it was easy man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it was. Well I was off by ten years.
It's fine.
Speaker 1: That's a crazy story though.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but like the thought of having dead like
dead people looking like I don't know, like the whole
thing is just like like you didn't think you're ever
gonna get caught.
Speaker 3: I don't. I just think that's crazy when people don't
think they're ever gonna get caught.
Speaker 1: They did eleven years when I getting caught.
Speaker 3: He did, that is a fact.
Speaker 2: But had he had that woman not shown up there,
then he probably would have continued on and hit that
seventy count I.
Speaker 1: Think it's weird how somebody can kill one person and
they'll get caught within forty eight hours. But yeah, this
guy can kill forty two people and.
Speaker 2: No wiser Like how well you know, oh if he
where was he from?
Speaker 3: Pakistan?
Speaker 1: Indonesia?
Speaker 3: Indonesia?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, like what goes on
there and what's what's the See when I think of
like foreign countries like Indonesia and things like that, I
often wonder.
Speaker 3: Like how like what their like.
Speaker 2: Rules are with women's You know, some countries they just
don't women are nothing, So like if women really went
disappearing like did it really matter? Was it a loss
to them? Might to be to the families, but even so,
I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think Indonesia is one of those countries like
that though, because if you remember, he was carefully choosing
whose people just so they wouldn't Yeah noticed.
Speaker 3: Well that's true.
Speaker 2: See I don't know the like rules in the backing
and stuff and who knows, but I can't imagine that.
And like the fact that his wives knew that also,
how come the other two didn't get they knew though?
Doesn't that make that I'm an accomplice or is that?
Am i de Lulu for thinking that there is something
that would have been done for them as well?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they were arrested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they didn't serve time.
Speaker 1: Well I didn't say that. It just said that that
she was the only one that was given the death
penalty along with him. So I'm sure they served some
kind of time because yes, they didn't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they knew, So I would assume that would make
you guilty by association, considering about like how bad the
crime was. That's so gross to think that he had
these people so it was just their head. Like, I
don't since the other thing I don't understand. So it
was just like their heads popping out of the or he.
Speaker 1: Buried the entire body.
Speaker 3: Oho, oh okay, but.
Speaker 1: He just buried them in a way that their face
was like their head was facing his house.
Speaker 2: Oh see, in my brain it was something like out
of Jeeper's Creepers with the cornfields, and like there were
just these heads like sticking up through the.
Speaker 3: How terrifying would that be?
Speaker 1: Th Hotel Hell was like that too. I think they
had they buried them up to their head and they
would run.
Speaker 3: Think I saw the Hotel or something.
Speaker 1: It's an old old movie.
Speaker 2: Like from the seventies or likely eighties. I still like
a House of a Thousand corpses.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a good one. I Drew Schwhite in it,
or Shwite, whatever the hell's name is.
Speaker 1: We never have done like the movie review we talked
about doing, did we?
Speaker 2: I forgot all about that. Too much time had passed
so I couldn't remember, but I will totally.
Speaker 3: I saw.
Speaker 2: I told you because I saw that demeanor, the vampire demeanor.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's Demeter, which was good.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna watch that Omen prequel tonight. Are you
the first Omen or whatever it's called.
Speaker 3: Who's in it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's on Hulu, but I heard it
was good some white it's actually original omen.
Speaker 2: Have you seen Monster Land on Hulu? Was like back
in twenty twenty it came out. I couldn't even get
through the first episode.
Speaker 3: It was horrible.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't.
Speaker 3: It was so pissed and it was dark. It was
so dark.
Speaker 2: I can't even get into it on here because it's
a wicked offensive and fucked up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just was like, this is not I
don't know, yuck. I will tell you. We will.
Speaker 2: We will do the whole thing. We'll do it, We'll
do the whole review thing. A right, good, okay, good,
all right, good you just said that stone cold face?
Speaker 3: Good? All right, okay, Jair bear.
Speaker 1: Good, all right, Amanda, And it's EDWARDO to you.
Speaker 3: What did I say? My name was? I don't even remember.
I can't even remember something stupid. It's definitely not or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know my names. That's the Celia.
Speaker 1: Anyways, that wraps up this show. I hope you enjoyed
the story because I thought it was kind of fun.
Speaker 3: That's too much, but we will talk to you guys
soon say it all right bye.