WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.599 Welcome to the Guant Debet Podcast. I am your host, Trevor. 2 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:18.519 How's going everybody. Thank you to everyone who reached out 3 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:21.839 to me worried that I was quitting the show. You 4 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.000 had good reason to worry, because I basically said as much. 5 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:27.160 But I think I think I'm gonna hang in there. 6 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.399 I think, you know, I think, when it comes down 7 00:00:32.479 --> 00:00:34.000 to it, I do enjoy doing the show. I might 8 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.799 just do it a little less frequently, but I think 9 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:39.159 I'm gonna keep doing it because I feel like, and 10 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.560 you've told me as much, my core one hundred, my 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:49.079 critical mass of listeners. I think the show fills some 12 00:00:51.119 --> 00:00:58.000 niche niche, niche niche that needs to be filled. It's 13 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:00.960 I don't think a lot of people live in this niche. 14 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.520 I think it is a small audience of people who 15 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:07.519 fit this the particular offerings of this show. But I 16 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.400 do think it is an underserved group speaking from experience, 17 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.959 looking for content oop sorry, looking for content to sort 18 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:18.599 of satisfy my curiosities. So we're gonna keep it going. 19 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:26.920 But yeah, if you know someone, maybe yourself or maybe 20 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.640 another podcast you listen to, If you know somebody that 21 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:33.599 you think just has the gift of GAB and would 22 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:37.280 enjoy contributing to a show like this. Let me know, 23 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.719 email me, because I think we could benefit from a 24 00:01:39.719 --> 00:01:42.799 co host. I don't know. I've done it both ways. 25 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:45.280 I've done shows with co hosts, and I've done this show. 26 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:48.400 There's pros and cons to both. Maybe we can mix 27 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:50.920 it up have some guest co hosts every once in 28 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:54.519 a while. I don't know. Anyway, I had kind of 29 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:58.120 a cool experience today. I don't want to pat myself 30 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:01.920 on the back too much, but one of the folks 31 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:05.280 in the discord, we do have a discord. I always 32 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:07.599 forget to pace the link in the show description. I'll 33 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:11.240 try to remember today. There aren't many people in there. 34 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.840 Most of the people there migrated there from the Brothers 35 00:02:14.879 --> 00:02:19.120 of the Serpent Discord. I did an interview with them. 36 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.520 Probably my most watch interview was with them on YouTube 37 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:29.879 on physics and consciousness and neuroscience. Anyway. So there's maybe 38 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:35.759 like ten fifteen twenty people there. And this particular individual 39 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:40.840 very not in like a malicious way, but just very 40 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:45.319 not Christian, you know. And of course I have total 41 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:52.759 respect and appreciation for having doubts, you know that you 42 00:02:52.919 --> 00:02:58.199 arrive to on like a cognitive basis. I don't like 43 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.879 atheists or atheists for emotional reasons, you know what I mean, 44 00:03:01.960 --> 00:03:06.280 like childish, petulant reasons. But to be fair, I felt 45 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.080 I've gone through those stages too, so maybe I should 46 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:12.000 be kinder. But but if you're just sitting there like 47 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:15.719 where is he? You know, like show yourself. You know, 48 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.960 there's so many good movies with that line with someone 49 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.800 just screaming at the sky like why, like what does 50 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:25.560 it all mean? What's the lesson? You know, what's the point? 51 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:32.159 The nihilistic existential angst so many of us feel. I 52 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:38.039 totally get it. So you know, I'm just barely I 53 00:03:38.159 --> 00:03:39.919 just barely have that part of my life in the 54 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.719 rear view mirror. So I'm certainly not want to judge. 55 00:03:43.719 --> 00:03:46.800 But he text or he messaged me on Discord today 56 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:48.800 and I don't even know if he listens to the show, 57 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.840 but he said, hey, what's a good Bible translation? And 58 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.960 I was like, oh, buddy, here we go. And he 59 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.280 assured me he wasn't becoming a Christian. He's like, I'm 60 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.599 not I'm not becoming Christian. I just I just want 61 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:04.960 to see what it says, you know. But honestly, that's 62 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:08.159 that's the rational perspective to have. It's like, well, what 63 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.840 does it even say? What what is this thing that 64 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:18.680 I reject even say? You know? Anyway, so I thought 65 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:20.759 that was pretty cool. So I started I started like 66 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.639 getting all the into all these nuances about, you know, 67 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:29.319 Protestantism versus Catholicism. I was like, hey, you know, most 68 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:34.519 Bible translations are Protestant translations, so I that's fine, unless 69 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:38.120 you want the dudeo canon, then you might want to 70 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:42.560 get a Catholic or an Orthodox Bible. And he also 71 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.360 wants like the Book of Knock and stuff, so I 72 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.199 was like, should probably just buy those separately. And he's like, 73 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.839 what's Protestant? Does that mean Catholic? And I'm like, oh boy, 74 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:55.519 I forget how much of the stuff I'm recently interested 75 00:04:55.519 --> 00:05:00.759 in is not common knowledge, you know. And so I 76 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.519 was like, no, Protestant just means you're not Catholic. Basically, 77 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:07.920 it means you're in protest like you're trying to reform 78 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.319 the Catholic Church. There's this Protestant Reformation in the sixteenth 79 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:18.720 century with Martin Luther nailing the Theces to the door. Anyway, 80 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.000 I quickly realized that was just all too much information, 81 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.680 So I said, get the NIV. You know, there's a 82 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:27.480 ton of scholarly consensus around it. It's easy to read 83 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:31.800 or get the English Standard version. Now there's like all 84 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:34.319 sorts of problems with the English Standard version, but it's 85 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:37.240 readable and so like, I don't know, I think that's 86 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:43.079 maybe the most important thing anyway, which brings me to 87 00:05:43.120 --> 00:05:46.160 my next topic. Well, two points on that one. That 88 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:48.399 was kind of a good encouragement for me to keep 89 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.720 doing the show because I think that that's we're talking to, 90 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.399 like the kind of person who can listen to a 91 00:05:54.480 --> 00:06:00.360 neuroscientist talk about consciousness for two hours, but also kind 92 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.319 of curious about, you know, the last two thousand years 93 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:08.279 of Christian history, because it's this is the civilization we're in, 94 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.879 you know, we're in the Western world. It gave us 95 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:18.639 hospitals and universities and just safe society and cathedrals and 96 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:23.079 arts and the Enlightenment. Like like what it's not cool 97 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.720 to just hate your culture. I mean, this is something 98 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.279 we've been poisoned with for so long. You know, going 99 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.560 to elementary school in the nineties, it was like everything 100 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:35.360 was bad, Like we're oppressors. We're colonizers, we're dirt bags, 101 00:06:35.439 --> 00:06:38.879 you know, we we just are need to repent for 102 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:43.519 the sins of our ancestors. And like it's just it sucks. 103 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:47.519 That's a terrible way to live. I think we should 104 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:52.160 learn from the past, acknowledge our mistakes and try to 105 00:06:52.160 --> 00:06:54.680 do better. You know, just do the next right thing. 106 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.680 That's a frozen that's a Frozen two quote. But hey, listen, 107 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:02.319 Disney gets it right. Sometimes just do the next right thing. 108 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:09.399 You know, evil means or good means, never justify evil actions. 109 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:13.519 So and just do the next right thing. And so 110 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:16.439 I think part of that is knowing, like knowing the 111 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:20.319 history of Christianity. To me, it's fascinating. And so that's 112 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:22.560 point one. So I'm gonna keep doing the show. We're 113 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:27.120 going to keep talking about consciousness, physics, neuroscience, and God 114 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:29.279 because I think, what do all these things have in common. 115 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:33.560 It's a quest for the truth. And if you think 116 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:39.399 God is truth, then these things sort of should converge. 117 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.920 And that's been my experience. I mean, everything I learned 118 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:45.839 about science to me points to the truth of some 119 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:52.879 rule maker, some system builder. I think what happens is 120 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:59.199 people confuse Christians with Christianity with Jesus Christ. And so 121 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:01.079 that's kind of this I want to get into today 122 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:08.439 because I've been having some long text based theological arguments 123 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:12.240 with one of my best friends, who is He lives 124 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:16.959 across the country now, but he is a Seventh Day Admonist. 125 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.720 And Adventists are like a week kind of a strange 126 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:26.079 breed because they don't really fit neatly into any category, 127 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:28.160 you know, which I think they're probably proud of and 128 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:33.759 maybe they should be. They're, you know, pretty literal readers 129 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.960 of the Bible. They have a lot of views that 130 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:40.679 are controversial, but I think are kind of kind of 131 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:43.120 makes sense, you know, if you just pick up the 132 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.960 passage and read it, which is cool. But they don't 133 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.759 really fit into like the Protestant framework, you know. So 134 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:52.919 we've been having a lot of debates. It's been interesting, 135 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:58.480 and I've been reading a lot about church history. I 136 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.080 don't know how you can't be fascinating with this. I mean, 137 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.120 it's got everything. It's got Rome, you know, it's got knights, 138 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.480 King Arthur's in there somewhere somehow. You know, it's just 139 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:14.080 got it all. Man. We've got war and just crusades, 140 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:18.639 and counsels, and how could you not be into that? 141 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:21.919 And if you claim to be a Christian, like, how 142 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:26.279 can you not Why wouldn't you care about you know, 143 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:30.679 the first Christians? What do they do? What did they think? 144 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.759 You know? So I thought we kind of get into that. 145 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:38.200 I thought we kind of tell maybe like a history 146 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:45.080 of everything, a history of Christendom in fifteen minutes, which 147 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:46.960 will be kind of a difficult to ask and listen. 148 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:50.919 I'm no historians, so please write in if you disagree, 149 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.519 if you agree, And I think the best way to 150 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.120 tell this is to sort of do so in a 151 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.240 way that leaves us with some understand standing of the 152 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.639 state of Christianity today, you know, the Catholic Church, the 153 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:11.039 Orthodox Church, the Protestants, mainline Protestism versus Evangelicalism, you know. 154 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:18.879 And so that is that is the goal. And I 155 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:22.200 meant to have a clip queued up, but that's okay, 156 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:24.600 we'll get to that in a little bit. So I 157 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:26.799 think let's just start. We should probably just start with 158 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:32.600 I think really what we should talk about is how 159 00:10:32.679 --> 00:10:35.919 the Bible got here, because one of I think the 160 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:44.279 key differences between Protestants, especially including like non denominationals and 161 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:48.960 Evangelicals and Catholics and Orthodox, which will sort of put 162 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:54.759 in one group for now, is the Protestants sort of 163 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:59.960 treat the Bible like a supernatural object. You know. I've 164 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.559 even heard Catholics go so far as to say they 165 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:08.120 make an idol out of the Bible. And the Catholics 166 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:12.120 have a very different view. They almost don't treat the 167 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:16.919 Bible as if it were inerrant, which is interesting. That's 168 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.679 kind of shocking to a Protestant. Again, I'm not a Catholic. 169 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.240 This is just I'm doing my research, doing my research, 170 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:25.960 but that is kind of some that's appealing to someone 171 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:30.039 like me who you might come across something in the 172 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:33.000 Bible where you're like, I don't know, you know, kind 173 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:36.159 of seems like a contradiction or it doesn't seem morally consistent, 174 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:39.240 and of course you don't want to read it through 175 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:44.399 you know, your modern lens, but you know the idea 176 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:50.399 that this is basically this is what happens. You'll ask 177 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.320 a Protestant to explain something they believe and you'll say, well, 178 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:56.759 because it's in the Bible, and it's like, do you then, 179 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:00.480 But that's the extent of their understanding. It's like well, 180 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.039 where did the Bible come from? And they're like, well, 181 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:07.240 came from God. And it's like okay, but you know, 182 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.799 I mean, let's be real, like where did it actually 183 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:14.000 come from? And that might sound like you before before 184 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:19.000 I started learning about Catholicism and Orthodoxy, Like to me, 185 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:23.200 I felt like that was like an anti Christian perspective 186 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.240 to say something like that. But something I've really enjoyed 187 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:32.480 recently is learning like, no, you can be you can 188 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:37.039 be a real person, like you can have real questions 189 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.440 and you can lean on history and not everything is supernatural. 190 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:42.200 I mean, that's one of the interesting things I'm learning 191 00:12:42.200 --> 00:12:46.120 about Orthodoxy and Catholicism is that you really just have 192 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:52.080 to believe in the one supernatural thing, which is that 193 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.679 an aspect of the Triune God, the creator of the universe, 194 00:12:56.759 --> 00:13:03.799 stepped in to his creation two thousand years ago. And 195 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.840 if you can believe that, everything else is an extension 196 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.600 of that, right like the miracles who performed the resurrection, 197 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:11.759 this is all an extension of the fact that he's 198 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:17.279 God incarnate. And if you believe that, that's really all 199 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.360 you need to believe. Everything else is an extension of that. 200 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:24.840 You don't need to believe you don't need to have 201 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.120 like amnesia when it comes to history. You don't need 202 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:32.279 to ignore archaeology, and you don't have to come to 203 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:36.879 like crazy conclusions about the shape of the earth and 204 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:39.200 the age of the Earth and stuff that's sort of 205 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.279 like loosely implied in the Bible, because you're not treating 206 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:49.879 the Bible like the supernatural object. And I kind of 207 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.879 like that. That's appealing to me. Now, I don't know 208 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.200 call that what you will, but let's explore why I 209 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:57.399 think that's okay. Why I think you can feel that 210 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:07.679 way about eighth century Moses. Maybe perhaps that's the belief 211 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:13.320 started writing what we call the Old Testament as Christians, 212 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:18.879 and he's writing about things that happened, you know, thousands 213 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.399 of years earlier in some parts of the Bible, and 214 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:25.159 things that happened in his lifetime and other parts of 215 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:29.120 the Bible. And for the stuff that happened thousands of 216 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:34.240 years ago, he's leaning really heavily on older texts. Now, 217 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:38.960 this can make people uncomfortable if you're a Protestant, because 218 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.039 I think the Protestant view is like he's literally channeling 219 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:48.039 God when he writes. And I'm open to that okay, 220 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.720 But I'm also open to the idea that. 221 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:52.960 He is. 222 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.720 He has some connection with God and he will writing 223 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:05.080 things based on his real divine experiences, but that he 224 00:15:05.159 --> 00:15:10.759 is also giving some like historical context based on older 225 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:16.879 source material, you know, like like Genesis. Specifically, much of Genesis, 226 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:22.759 like it or not, is some retelling of older texts. 227 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:27.120 You know, this call him the Sumerian texts, which are 228 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:32.279 maybe what four thousand years older, no, three thousand years older, 229 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.320 something like that, two thousand years older, somewhere in that range. 230 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:41.000 You know, the civilization that invented writing, the first real 231 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:45.639 civilization that we know of. How cool that we have 232 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:52.559 a story from that civilization, the first civilization anyway, and 233 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:54.320 that there's a whole week could go, We could spend 234 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.200 a year talking about all that stuff, you know, on 235 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:00.240 an Aki and leol Anki, all that. But certainly there 236 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:04.919 is a retelling of that sort of I would say 237 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:09.639 a correction of that. You know, it's presented in what 238 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.519 Moses and the Jews would call it the correct way, 239 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:20.440 and this is information that's divinely inspired, right, Okay, So 240 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:28.120 then we have a series of profits Jewish prophets and 241 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:32.159 this divine revelation gets recorded and texts all the way 242 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.440 up into like the second century or third century somewhere 243 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.600 in there, and then we kind of have a period 244 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:41.159 which sometimes called the Intertestamental period or the period of silence, 245 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.720 where there is no new there are no new profits. 246 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:49.399 And I think this is kind of cool, you know, 247 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.919 I think this is cool that we have this religious 248 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.879 authority that would benefit from their being profits, so they 249 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:02.519 have every incentive to identify and record new books, you know, 250 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.680 but they don't. Just apparently there's no divine revelation. It's 251 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:12.799 kind of interesting until the coming of the Jewish Messiah, 252 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:21.440 Jesus Christ. And so Jesus comes, we don't. I mean, 253 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.680 we have a sort of an interest. We know a 254 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.119 bit about his childhood, not a time, but we know 255 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.480 a lot about his ministry on earth, which lasted for 256 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:32.079 about three years or so, maybe from about the age 257 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:39.079 of thirty to thirty three. Then he's crucified, he resurrects, 258 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:43.519 he spends I think like fifty days if I have 259 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:46.759 this right, with the apostles, you know, the people he 260 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:52.720 chose to help him spread his message. He assents to 261 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.480 heaven or maybe he sends to heaven sooner anyway, at 262 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:57.519 some point, I think fifty days after the Resurrection, the 263 00:17:57.519 --> 00:18:01.599 Holy Spirit descends on the apostles and it gives them 264 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:05.400 abilities they're basically they have. They're able to do things 265 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:09.000 that Jesus did. You know, They forgive sins, they perform miracles, 266 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:13.839 they can speak in whatever language they need to speak in. 267 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:17.000 That's pretty amazing. This is a misinterpretation of this passage 268 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:21.279 is where we get like Pentecostal churches speaking in tongues, 269 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:30.000 you know, like anyway, So we get that and that's 270 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:34.279 basically it. Then the you know, over the next three 271 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:40.400 hundred years, Rome goes from this, you know, pagan polytheistic, 272 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:48.640 a sort of sex obsessed state, to the Holy Roman Empire, 273 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:53.200 still probably equally sex obsessed, right, human beings are followed, 274 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.039 but we get the Holy Roman Empire, we get the 275 00:18:57.079 --> 00:18:59.359 Catholic Church. Now there's a lot that happens in that period. 276 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:03.960 You know, you get persecutions of Christians. Christians are getting 277 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:06.440 their eyes pulled out, They're getting fed to lions if 278 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:11.920 they won't sacrifice a chicken to Apollo or whatever. So 279 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:18.079 there's immense persecution. Christians aren't hiding, they're communicating with letters 280 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:21.759 to one another, and much of those letters are in 281 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:26.920 the New Testament. And so the question is, okay, where 282 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.559 the Bible come from. Well, the Bible wasn't really put 283 00:19:30.559 --> 00:19:34.200 together as such until much later, until like the time 284 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:41.480 of Constantine, who made Christianity legal, which was a big 285 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.319 deal that Christians could come out of hiding. Some of 286 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.319 them are like missing hands, Like some of the first 287 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:50.720 bishops are like missing hands, you know. And there's this 288 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.960 like tradition of martyrdom where you know you're going to 289 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.160 get burned alive, but you refuse to recount your faith. 290 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:03.160 I mean, it's pretty amazing, right, pretty freaking amazing. And 291 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.000 there's a series of Catholic counsels and stuff, and then 292 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:10.440 we get the Bible. So Protestants sort of view all 293 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:15.440 this as like, I don't know, like not happening, Like 294 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.000 there doesn't seem to be like a rich historical knowledge 295 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:22.839 base amongst most of the like Evangelicals. It's funny because 296 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:25.720 like mainline Protestants don't like to include evangelicals, but we're 297 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:29.799 gonna just say everyone who's not Catholic or Orthodox, but 298 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:33.799 we would still call Christian, so like not not Mormons, 299 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:40.599 not scientologists, We'll call them Protestant, Okay, because they sort 300 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:46.400 of reject Rome or they reject the Apostolic Uh, we 301 00:20:46.480 --> 00:20:48.359 got to start to finding some of these words. I'm getting. 302 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:50.319 This is my first time talking about this, so I'm 303 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:53.200 not practiced. It's not like talking about neuroscience for me. 304 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:56.119 So anyway, they kind of view this in a vacuum. 305 00:20:56.119 --> 00:20:58.640 They're like, why do you believe that? Well, the Bible says, 306 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:05.400 so it's like, okay, now, let's contrast that with Catholicism 307 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:11.559 and Orthodoxy. Both the modern Catholic Church and the modern 308 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:16.839 Orthodox Church, they view themselves as the Church of the Apostles. 309 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:21.359 You know. Jesus instructs, he says He's building a church, 310 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:25.559 you know, and it's a very controversial line. He says 311 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:29.200 to Peter, he'd renames Simon Peter, which means rock, and 312 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:33.279 he says, upon this rock, I will build my church 313 00:21:33.319 --> 00:21:35.799 and the gates of Hell will not prevail against it. 314 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.160 And you know, that's a cool that like that bar 315 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.440 goes hard if you're living in fifty a d. But 316 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.920 to be living in twenty twenty six AD and the 317 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:50.759 fact that the Catholic and Orthodox Church just still exists 318 00:21:50.799 --> 00:21:56.519 today and basically practice the same thing as the Apostles. 319 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:00.519 It is pretty amazing, it really is. I mean, you 320 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.640 can't say that about any other religion. I well, maybe 321 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:05.039 I don't know about like Buddhism or Hinduism, but I 322 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.240 mean Judaism has radically changed over the last two thousand years. 323 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:13.680 Maybe radically is a stretch, but we have like a anyway, 324 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:16.359 we'll set that aside for a second. Islam is only, 325 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:19.119 you know, twelve hundred years old, and there's a million 326 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:24.400 different factions. Protestantism is only five hundred years old and 327 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.359 there's a million different factions. You know, some people have 328 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:31.480 trans women preachers marrying to dudes, which I'm not making 329 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:35.119 any political statements right now, but it's obviously very different. 330 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:43.079 It's new, it's modern, it's progressive. But Catholics and Orthodox 331 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.640 they basically do the same thing. I mean, I'm not 332 00:22:46.680 --> 00:22:52.160 saying that means anything. It's just interesting. It's it's interesting anyway. 333 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:57.279 So we have that statement. He makes his statement Catholics 334 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:05.480 and Orthodox believe they are the actual continuation from that church, 335 00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:08.359 and the fact that there's two different groups making the 336 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.720 same claim actually is not a contradiction. Because the way 337 00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:17.960 it works is they have a written record of you know, 338 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.519 if you're a bishop, who made you a bishop? Right, 339 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:24.640 there's this idea in the Bible of you lay hands 340 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.400 and you need to be careful who you choose to 341 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.960 become your disciple, your Christian disciple, and you actually lay 342 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:32.960 hands on them. And I don't know the details, but 343 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:39.440 it's a ritualistic thing. They have a documented chain of 344 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.720 people of bishops going all the way back from current 345 00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:50.160 day to the disciples of the disciples, all the way 346 00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:56.799 back to what we would call the the patriarchs, the 347 00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:01.559 church fathers. It's pretty cool. So it's a historical claim. 348 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:08.359 Now a single guy could make disciples of multiple people, right, 349 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.799 So it's it's okay that this has branched off a 350 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:15.359 little bit. And in Catholics and Orthodox they sort of 351 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:19.759 recognize the validity of one another. They recognize their apostolic claims. 352 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:24.200 They just have different views, like Orthodox priests can get married, 353 00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.799 which I think is a good thing. You know, personally, 354 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.559 A slight detour on that. Excuse me, let me take 355 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.200 a sip of water. This is why I normally play clips. 356 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.720 It gives me a chance to take a break hold on. 357 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:47.039 So I was watching an interview and it was a gay, 358 00:24:50.559 --> 00:24:55.000 pretty fairly young man, like maybe twenty two gay guy 359 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.359 who was a Catholic and isn't anymore. I don't know 360 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:02.319 if he's an atheist or a Protestant or with the dealers, 361 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:08.720 but he describes his like knowing from a fairly young 362 00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:14.559 age that he was attracted to men, and sitting in 363 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.759 the Catholic church and realizing he would not again, who 364 00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:22.160 knows if you're reflecting on how you felt when you 365 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:24.559 were ten, this is sort of a story you tell yourself. 366 00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:27.839 You know, it's informed by your memories, but you know, 367 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:35.920 who knows? Anyway, Sorry, I'm typing in. I can't multitask. 368 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:41.440 It's a curse. Okay. So he's sitting in church and 369 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.799 he's realizing like, oh, I will never be able to 370 00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:46.119 have sex with a man, which is what I would 371 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:50.359 like to do. That's my inclination. So my only option 372 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:55.799 is to become a priest because they're celibates, and so 373 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.720 that this is the way that I can live a 374 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:03.759 life that is not since And the guy he was 375 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.319 talking to is also a Catholic, and he was like, great, yep, 376 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:11.039 totally totally like well tread path like, yep, we totally 377 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.400 that's how it works, you know, And I was like, 378 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:21.559 oh boy, I don't know if I like that. You know, like, hey, listen, 379 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.000 I'm not like saying you should necessarily act out on 380 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.519 your gayness or whatever. I'm not making I'm not saying anything. 381 00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:32.759 Don't send me any emails. I'm just In science, we 382 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:37.039 would call this enriching for something like if you're recruiting 383 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.599 a study population and you want everyone to have a 384 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.880 certain genotype, you would enrich you would select people with 385 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.720 that genotype. I don't know if you want to like 386 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.359 select your priests, like, I don't know if you want 387 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:54.720 your priest class to be like enriched for homosexuality, you know, 388 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:02.400 specifically repressed sexual maybe of any kind. It doesn't even 389 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:06.519 necessarily need to be repressed homosexuality, just repressed sexuality in 390 00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:10.240 general seems I don't know, it kind of seems like 391 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.599 a recipe for trouble. But you know, fortunately we've never 392 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.519 had any scandals about homosexuality and the Catholic Church, so 393 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:24.279 I listen, obviously a joke. I think maybe the Catholics 394 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.519 get beat up a little bit too much. Now, listen, 395 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.039 Don't get me wrong, Like some of the scandals that 396 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.559 have happened are horrible and people should be punished to 397 00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.359 the fullest extent of the lie. I just I don't 398 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:41.759 know if it's always necessarily good to like attribute fallen men, 399 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.160 like attribute their crimes to the institution. But in this case, 400 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.119 I think it is sort of like a natural consequence 401 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:53.240