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Speaker 1: I'm gonna being hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another.

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Speaker 2: Geek verse, well, the final actually in this three part series,

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we're doing a Daredevil Daredevil retrospective and not Born Again.

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We're getting ready for Born Again. But before we get

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into all of that, I am one of your hosts.

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I am at the end Kirkland, Patzer, I am the Fisks, Pockett,

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taylor Field. Yes, ladies, jil we got the pocket, We've

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got the me. We are going to be given our

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thoughts on the closing chapter of You know this this

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portion of the Daredevil show, if you've been living under

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a rock, you might not know that. You know, he's back.

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Charlie Cox is back. Wilson Fisk is maybe back. Uh

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Speaker 1: We're we're closing out this retrospective series here.

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Speaker 2: Make sure to go check out episode one and episode

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two of course, if you haven't already, but I'm sure

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you are. If you're here at this point, who knows,

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maybe you're just jumping into season three. You just want

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to hear our thoughts about season three, But appreciate you

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guys for being here. Yeah, just quick, quick little batch

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of plugs to shoot out there. I well, I always

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we're getting close to born again, so I know exactly

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that this is dropping on the main feeds just a

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couple of days after, you know the time of the

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recording here, so I can safely promote we got Golden

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of course the Patreons get everything early ad free exclusive.

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But yeah, we'll have the Golden Geek results out. I

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Speaker 3: I gotta put my votes in. I definitely.

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Speaker 4: I'm always I'm always a slow person to do that.

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Speaker 1: That was lots of fun.

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Speaker 2: We also have the MCU Golden Geeks nomination episode on

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the feeds. We've got your friendly Neighborhood spider Man. That

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Speaker 1: We'll make sure to go check out the feeds there.

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Speaker 2: That's got all that good stuff on there, and I

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It's the best play to support us get everything early

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l and of course Charlie Randall. We love each and

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every one of you. So yeah, I don't know, I

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gist of the plugs there. So we are here at

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the end of the the Netflix Marvel Daredevil experience. Here,

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it's a bittersweet for you, Taylor, I know, like we

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don't really have it's a much different experience for us versus, like,

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when it came out, because they would have been unsure

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if they're ever gonna see this again. Of course, in

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this timeline, we have Disney carrying on the Charlie Cox

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Daredevil with Daredevil Born Again. Have you seen the trailer

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for Born Again yet?

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from when we're recording this. So that's absolutely perfect in

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there's something with the rights. Netflix just didn't want to

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renew it. They kind of canceled all the shows and whatnot.

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for how crazy season one was, or like how season

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to like that back half and it's just like it

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doesn't even matter anymore. This man's just all power, I

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was like, I'm not buying it. This is really pulling

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me out a little bit because it's just it's it

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feels like plot armor with the amount of just power

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this guy has that he's keepable doing and we're not

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getting proper explanations for it, and the explanations we do

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get just don't seem as justified or realistic. It just

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seems a little mumbo jumbo. But I will say at

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the end, when he was exercising this power in the

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last couple episodes, I liked it, but only because I

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think we got to finally see, hey, what's going on?

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doesn't have anything, and then all of a sudden, next

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scene he's got all this art, all this stuff, his suits,

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everything like that. It's like, what the fuck? How does

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this happen? So that period really pulls me out, and

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I don't like that kind of storytelling. But then when

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we get to the very back end of it and

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we've seen a bunch more development and more reveals of

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characters and stuff, then it's like, Okay, now I totally

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understand how this has happened, how he's got these things

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and so forth. And then we get to the end,

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so I'm excited to break it down more and I

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think that this is definitely where I would rank it.

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would I feel like I could put ah, I'd want

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to put this over the second season because I think

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I enjoyed this one a lot more. But I can't

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because I just didn't like the first half of It's

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not I don't want to say it's a spoiler, but

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just a lot of mopeness. I don't like the mopiness

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and like, yeah, self deteriorating aspects. I think it was

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just too much of it in the season. But yeah,

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And also a question for you, this season starter occurs

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after a big part of the Defenders. Did you watch

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any Defenders to see how this season starts?

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't watch any Defenders. So maybe

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that's a little, uh, little asterisk I should throw on

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my review here. I knew there was some cross over there.

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There's a couple of characters that are kind of mentioned

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very like minorly like it. I didn't really get the

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vibe from watching the season that I really missed out

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on a lot of Defender stuff. And maybe I'm completely

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wrong with that, but maybe that also leans in on

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why I really wasn't a fan of the start of

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the season, so maybe because have you seen Defenders?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was gonna say, maybe you can help

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me out and fill in the gaps there.

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Speaker 3: But well I can. I did read into it. If

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you want, okay information.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's let's take an ad break here and then

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we'll we'll open up this Canisardians here, which is Daredevil

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season three. So yeah, well we'll be right back, all right,

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Taylor filling the gaps for me? What did I miss

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out on Defenders coming into season three?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 3: So when Matt's waken up in that first episode of

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Daredevil season three, that is post the destruction of Midland Circle,

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it's a successful operation and acted by the Defenders alongside

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Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Claire Temple. Danny Rand was basically

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the guy that needed to be rescued.

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Speaker 1: Is that iron Fist?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So he was captured by the Hand and

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they the Defenders went in there to go and rescue him.

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So they were also preventing the harvesting of the resurrection.

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Alexir was the big talk of the town in season

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two of Daredevil, right when the Hand was trying to

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do the whole like zombie thing going on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, basically their operation.

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Speaker 3: The buildings started to fallo Dared Devil stayed behind to

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appeal with Electra, but the Defenders were convinced that Daredevil

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was dead, and so although he survived, we see him

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at the end of that.

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Speaker 1: So Electra's back in Defenders.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, that's so funny because I was so confused

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on why we didn't pick up on any of that

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stuff that was ended like with season two. Like and

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also like I feel like the way that season two ends,

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like it's kind of similar, you know to like like

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how we're picking up here where like, Okay, he lost Electra,

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he got all fucked up, a building fell on him.

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I'm like, I know that didn't exactly happen season two,

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but like I know we got fucked up. I know

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we lost Electra, so like it also kind of fits there,

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even though it was a little bit confusing, So that

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does make a lot of sense. I I just thought

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it was a long like it had been a long

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time when I ended season two.

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Speaker 1: Just going into season.

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Speaker 2: Three, I'm like, oh man, I kind of misremember the

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finale here, So okay, that that makes a little bit

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more sense. That definitely doesn't like change my overall thoughts

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of how I was feeling, like retrospectively on yeah, just

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just what was shown at the start there. I think also,

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maybe this is just because I haven't seen Defenders, but

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I also feel like they could have just done a

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better job like explaining the start there, because yeah, I

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don't know, maybe maybe I'm just I'm just bitter there,

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but filming, well.

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Speaker 3: All we can do is just assume, Oh, he had

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a real bad fight and yeah, which happened, and cab

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driver found him right, which just happened, Like.

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Speaker 2: The amount of times we've seen this guy like beaten

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to death almost you know, bloody and spew and blood everywhere,

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Like it just seems like it's a normal, normal every

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day for him.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean we can go episode by episode.

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I feel like the big thing for me in this season,

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especially now that we've finished the show, Like, you know,

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I've experienced all of the Vincent Donofrio Kingpin performances up

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until this moment. I don't know if he's in Defenders,

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but it doesn't matter. I got the the Hawkeye version,

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I got the Echo version, I got the the Daredel version,

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and yeah, I must say I'm a little bit let

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down by this version of the character. And the reason

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for that is, I feel like my favorite type of

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Kingpin is so take the look out of it, but

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like the Kingpin that's shown in like the Spider Verse

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movies where he's like he really is like that imposing,

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like bad guy. He talks like a like just a yeah,

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just just like a New York crime boss. Like that's

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like really how he feels. And maybe that's just very

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generic and stereotypical and maybe a lot of people think

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that's boring for that reason. But this version, man, I

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really liked what was said up in season one. But

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he's just such a bitch to me when it comes

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to his whole fucking obsession with Vanessa, and like especially

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going through Hawkeye, And when we were watching Hawkeye, I

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hadn't really seen this, so like when he's like obsessing

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over eleanor it's eleanor right, that's her name, Vanessa, no

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the other because wasn't he like in love with Kate's

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mom or something Kate Bishop's mom in Hawkeye?

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Speaker 1: Or am I totally misremembering?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll through a Google when you're going I'm confused

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because Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: Is not in that show.

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Speaker 3: Right, No, no, yeah, because yeah, you're right, it is

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eleanor Yeah, that was just an employee.

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Speaker 1: I didn't Okay, yeah, it.

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Speaker 2: Just in my Okay, there you go. Maybe I have

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some revisionist history here, so I apologize. But anyways, we're

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just talking about Vanessa right now. I am just so

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fucking annoyed of his obsession with Vanessa. This guy is

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like the biggest crime boss ever. He's so you know,

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he's so imposing. Everybody's scared of him, but like he's

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literally gonna throw the whole fucking empire way just for Vanessa.

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And just he's just such a just such a coward

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when it comes to Vanessa. And like later on when

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you have like Vanessa pulling the strings, it just seems

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like he has like no power, like yes, this Vanessa,

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whatever you want to whatever you want to do. I

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don't know, man, I'm so annoyed by just his obsession

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with that. How do you feel on Kingpin here? You

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are you intimidated by him? Do you think he's a

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s t your villain like he's claiming to be.

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Speaker 3: I like that. She was very much like I want

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to be a part of your world. So don't hide

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it from me, and he opens up and shares that

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world with her. But it's just kind of weird that

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she was just an art a third party art seller

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or something like that, and all of a sudden, now

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she's like, yeah, we need to kill in the deem,

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Like what do you do? Like he is he a

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threat to us? Is he a danger? Then let's kill him.

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It's like god damn, Like, are we supposed to be

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more scared of you than Fisk?

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Speaker 4: It just caught me off.

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Speaker 3: Guard, And yeah, you're right his obsession with her. I

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understand that he loves her and cares about her so

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very much, but it's just it does get a little

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bit ah, like oh Jesus, like calm down, my guy,

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holy shit. And I thought for sure, and we can

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talk more about it later. But when her first reappearance appeared,

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it just made me laugh because I thought, oh, he's

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they just felt like friends, and I felt like, oh,

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she's totally just gonna break up with him and we'll.

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Speaker 4: Talk more about that later.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm coming off like hot off the finale here.

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Just I experienced a whole season of Kingpin and I

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just have him like so high in my mind as

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like a phenomenal Marvel villain just his various appearances and

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something like Spider Man, like he is a massive villain.

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But just I feel like I just set him up

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so high, and like the season one performance is phenomenal,

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Like I think he's great here, but I just think

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this season was a lot of him just whining of like.

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Speaker 5: You're supposed to protect Vanessa. Where's Vanessa? Get Vanessa here?

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What get this art from Vanessa? Well, Vanessa got me

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this art. It's so important to me. Like I'm just

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so fucking annoyed by this, like so much. It was

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really really annoying to get through. And the fact that

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this is like our main main villain throughout this whole

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pretty much the whole show, but like specifically this season. Yeah, no,

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I was just I was pretty pretty disappointing here. So

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I'm curious how I'm gonna feel going into Born Again

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on Kingpinn. And yeah, I'm curious if I'm like a

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big minority in that sense, because I know he is

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like a massive, you know, massive character, well regarded and

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also a lot of people love the performance, and I

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think the performance of him is really good, like when

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he is maybe maybe in the sequence when Karen is

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like revealing that she's the one that killed Wesley, and

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like he's really showing that anger that he's like trying

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to hide because he's always trying to be that like

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businessman who like talks really eloquently and is just clean

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and like not like a dirty villain, you know, Like

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he always shows that. So I think the moments that

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Vincent Donofrio is really good at is like showing that

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he's trying to hold it back even though it's slipping through.

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So like, yeah, I don't want to judge individualerformances, but

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just like the writing around the Vanessa Obsessor, like that's

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what his name should be.

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Speaker 1: It shouldn't be Kingpin.

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Speaker 2: It's just the fucking pussy whipped uh pussy whipped Kingpin here,

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like she must have the magical vajaj.

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Speaker 3: The scenes where he's experiencing he's emotionally compromised, I feel

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like it just is an example of an adolescent that

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just can't control those emotions, which he had a fucked

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up childhood, So I'll give him that. Maybe that's exactly

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what he's going for. But when he's just being told

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the information does want to hear it. I just feel

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like he's just like rocking back and forth, like.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, just he.

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Speaker 3: Just feels very childish. And I guess that's just them

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trying to give him that emotional compromise, because even Vanessa

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later on is like be angry later, be smart now,

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like let's go, let's go, and and I like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think if that was a dynamic that

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was more in the show, like I would have been

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more interested in that. It's just she's not really in

474
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,920
it until the finale, right, Like she's just she's in Spain,

475
00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:07,839
she's elsewhere, and like Kingpin's just stressed the whole time

476
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,279
that he doesn't know where she is, and like she

477
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,720
needs to be she's be blah blah blah, she's be safe,

478
00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:14,079
she needs to be, Yeah, just somewhere that I could

479
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:14,640
protect her.

480
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,079
Speaker 1: Whereas, like you.

481
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,319
Speaker 2: Just pointed out, like even in season one, like we

482
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480
see glimpses of her being kind of sketchy, right, Like

483
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,160
she finds out a little bit more about what's going

484
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240
on with him, and she doesn't seem to be scared

485
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,559
or anything, and like seems to enjoy the power there.

486
00:23:29,599 --> 00:23:32,799
So yeah, she's definitely got some skeletons buried in her closet.

487
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: I would imagine she buried herself.

488
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, and like that would be an interesting pathway

489
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,720
to go down, you know, this season. And I just

490
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,519
feel like we spent a lot of time with like

491
00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:49,319
Agent Nadin's family and shit like that where I'm like, Okay,

492
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,160
by the end of the season, like it is a

493
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,359
satisfying arc for that character in the sense of, like

494
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:56,839
we see him go through.

495
00:23:57,319 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: I know, I'm all over the place right here.

496
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,279
Speaker 2: I'll try and get us, you know, back on order,

497
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,039
but I just just my wild thoughts here of just

498
00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:04,160
like setting up the whole thing of him, like we

499
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,519
need this promotion because his family has like money problems,

500
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,480
and I think by the end like it it's it's

501
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:12,440
a pretty good arc for that character of just the

502
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,599
whole cycle that he went through of like thinking that

503
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,839
he's one up in Kingpin and then really the reality

504
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,160
of it, like he just he literally gets murdered for it,

505
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,160
and uh yeah, just all these bad things. Like I

506
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,960
think I would have liked to take some of that

507
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,839
stuff out to maybe focus on some bigger things, some

508
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:31,279
bigger fish. But anyway, since I'm all over the place.

509
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,559
Let's reel it back to the start of the show here.

510
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,160
So so, yeah, the Kingpin stuff throughout the whole season

511
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,000
was the biggest fan of it by any means. But

512
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,839
the other thing that just really i'm not gonna say,

513
00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:45,839
I'm not gonna say, annoyed me, but it just it

514
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,160
made it slow to get into is the whole start

515
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,039
of the season being like Matt's resurrection and you know,

516
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,039
like his friends Foggy and Karen don't know where he is.

517
00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,279
They're assuming he's dead, but just like he's really like

518
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,319
conflicted with his own like his own path and religion

519
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,039
and like what like just his uh yeah, just having

520
00:25:09,079 --> 00:25:11,279
a crisis of faith here right, like like like he's

521
00:25:11,319 --> 00:25:15,039
really just questioning everything he's saying that he's putting Matt,

522
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,640
like the whole Matt persona lifestyle like on hold, but

523
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,079
like also thinking about like just not even being Daredevil.

524
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,480
And then it's just a lot of like the fallen hero.

525
00:25:24,759 --> 00:25:27,839
And then like basically Batman, uh what's it called Dark

526
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,720
Knight rises when he's like in the cave, like same

527
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,599
sort of idea. He's just broken and then he's like

528
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,519
trying to rise up, and I think there's nothing really

529
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:37,920
wrong with like those types of storylines, but I was

530
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,519
just so like, Okay, he's clearly not going to be

531
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,039
at this church the whole fucking season. Like it maybe

532
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,960
maybe one episode and then he'll be out maybe two.

533
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,599
It is so long man for the time that he

534
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160
like is actually out of there, and like it just

535
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,559
seems like he keeps like quoting the Bible and just

536
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,119
keeps like just questioning the like the nun and then

537
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,279
the Father figure and everything, and like I just think

538
00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:01,480
that all of that been done in like an episode

539
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,599
maybe two, and I feel like they stretched it out too,

540
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,880
probably hyperbolyzing, but it feels like eight episodes is just

541
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,480
like him really struggling with that, and that's a thing

542
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:13,319
that he's kind of dealing with the whole show, even

543
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,279
like season one, season two, not so much of a

544
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:16,279
hard focus.

545
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: On it, but he's always mentioning that.

546
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,799
Speaker 2: But in this season, it was like this is the

547
00:26:19,839 --> 00:26:22,839
religious season. This is like this is where he's gonna

548
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,160
be questioning everything, And it just was so boring for me,

549
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,400
Like having these like long drawn out conversations with the

550
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,400
father on it just seemed like I knew what was

551
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,920
gonna happen, and I was just baffled that it took

552
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,880
way longer than it should have. And maybe I'm alone there,

553
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,559
but what do you think?

554
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: No, I think it took way too long. I was

555
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,359
not happy or impressed with just this whole sequence of

556
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,400
him just poudy and beating himself up or whatnot, like

557
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,000
he Yeah, this is where I feel like, Okay, where

558
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000
we left off in season two. I felt like he

559
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,759
was very fulfilled and he was very much his own person,

560
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,480
and then all of a sudden, here he is. He

561
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,640
has a building collapse, and he's just down and out

562
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,000
and pissed off and sad and er. And maybe that's

563
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,599
why we need to see Defenders, because maybe Defenders will

564
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:13,240
have a lot more development into why he's starting to

565
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,559
progress as a character and why he's not feeling like himself.

566
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,680
But he gets he survives, and he doesn't reach out

567
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,680
to his friends. He doesn't reach out to his Defender's

568
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:24,680
crew that he became friends with, So it's just it's

569
00:27:24,759 --> 00:27:27,319
just a little peculiar. I mean, he could have called

570
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,559
them on to help as well and dealing and fighting

571
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:32,240
Fisk at the end here, but no, he didn't do

572
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:35,359
any of that. He just wanted to be alone and

573
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,799
I like that, you know, his faith was kind of

574
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:40,640
helping him. And he had this introduction of this new

575
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:45,119
nun character. I can't remember what her name was, but

576
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,119
she was trying to help him and whatnot. There's a

577
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,519
little bit more to that relationship, which we'll talk about later.

578
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:56,440
But yeah, it's just I thought that going beyond that

579
00:27:56,519 --> 00:28:01,160
first episode, and I dare I say, what was it,

580
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:06,240
it was probably like five four episodes at least, that

581
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,079
he was just still in there, and as he was

582
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,880
getting better because he had his hearing problem again, he

583
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,599
was just going out and just letting people kick the

584
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:15,920
shit out of him, and he wanted to have like oh,

585
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,559
just you have father bring down this boxer into the

586
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,119
church basement and it just kicks the shit out of him,

587
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,000
like it's just some weird stuff. And then you got

588
00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,519
Karen Page that's still paying his rent and he's pretending

589
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,880
to be dead. It's like, this is just an unhealthy

590
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000
balance on a healthy life right now.

591
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: Sister Maggie that was her name, Sister Maggie, that's right.

592
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:42,559
Speaker 2: And then yeah, so yeah, that that whole character, Yeah,

593
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,839
it I mean I already said it took a really

594
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,880
long time to get through that. But yeah, just I

595
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,039
think it's it's just a pairing of the amount of

596
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,880
time it took for him to get through that to

597
00:28:56,039 --> 00:28:58,799
find his faith again, and then just like his.

598
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,079
Speaker 1: Powers are weaken, he's getting his ass kicked.

599
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: Like it just it felt like we were at like

600
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,880
an origin point again for the character of like this

601
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,559
is the early stage of him fighting and kicking ass.

602
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:11,400
And another thing too that like I don't know, I'm

603
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,720
gonna try not to be super negative throughout the whole episode,

604
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,440
but I'm definitely just.

605
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: Getting it out of be right now. I had issues

606
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,359
with Kingpin here.

607
00:29:17,359 --> 00:29:19,599
Speaker 2: I feel like I also just got annoyed by Matt

608
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,079
and Daredevil here of just being like so like this

609
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,279
is right or wrong, Like like what I'm doing is

610
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:28,920
isn't right anymore? And again just the whole crisis of

611
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,319
faith here, Like it just seems like I was annoyed

612
00:29:31,319 --> 00:29:34,480
by by him as well, because it just seemed like

613
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:36,960
something that we've kind of already gone through throughout the

614
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,519
first two seasons of like.

615
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: What's the line of right or wrong?

616
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:42,839
Speaker 2: And like this season they really push him to the

617
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,000
edge of like he potentially wants to kill Kingpin now,

618
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,400
which is obviously further than he ever wanted to go before.

619
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,279
It's completely against his faith, which is something that he's

620
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:53,440
already kind of been pushed to, you know, in the

621
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,039
first two seasons. In season two, like the Punisher and

622
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,000
him or like talking about all that stuff, and then

623
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,559
it just seems like, yeah, I know that none of

624
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,359
that really happened. We're just gonna we're just gonna go

625
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,559
through that crisis again for Matt here. And I was

626
00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:11,160
just so fucking annoyed and like, man, like, I'm just

627
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,039
so not really loving what's going on with Daredevil here

628
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:16,440
in the season, so not loving on what's what's going

629
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,759
on with Kingpin here. They also diverted him back to

630
00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:21,960
his season one outfit, which I'm just not a fan

631
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,079
of either. It's goofy, you know, the silly mass and

632
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,799
he's wearing in the daytime with his like roped up arms.

633
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:31,799
Big hater of Daredevil apparently that's me. Uh And also

634
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440
like Daredevil, man, I could take him on, just take

635
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,720
a fucking psionic weapon, you know, just like.

636
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,799
Speaker 1: Okay, may I'm going a little bit too overboard now.

637
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: But like if his if his senses are like heightened

638
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,839
could you not just like do a random thing to

639
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,359
him and like use like a fucking like loud speaker whistle? Yeah,

640
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,279
and his ears are just like like just maxing out,

641
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,039
Like would that not disoriented?

642
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

643
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,799
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's an article someone you know did the

644
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,319
the fan fiction how.

645
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: You'd feel to beat him in that way, But yeah,

646
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:02,799
I don't know.

647
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: I was just grumpy with the character there, and I'm like,

648
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,160
he's not even that strong, Like what is this guy?

649
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: Come on? I could take on Daredevil.

650
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I lost stock with Daredevil and Kingpin

651
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,279
in this season, which is something you'd never want to get.

652
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,039
Speaker 3: But yeah, I wish that we got Daredevil Moore in

653
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,720
his suit. I mean we didn't at all, aside from

654
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,160
a crazy other alternative dynamic which I got a funny

655
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:28,519
story actually connected to that.

656
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:29,359
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

657
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: So obviously we'll talk more about it after. But in short,

658
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,799
there's an impost word in the Daredevil suit working for

659
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:41,200
Fisk and basically he's killing now what that was probably

660
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:45,720
episode It was in the mid season range, so this

661
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,559
would have been last weekend. It would have been Saturday night.

662
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,519
It would have been like one in the morning that

663
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:53,680
I woke up, so I would have started watching probably

664
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,559
around eleven, and then I passed out, and then I

665
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,880
woke up and I just see Daredevil murder these reports,

666
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,440
Like what the fuck? It totally threw me off and

667
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,000
I couldn't I didn't know what was going on at all.

668
00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:09,759
The holy shit.

669
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,359
Speaker 1: This is such a dark turt like the bulletin episode.

670
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I woke up in there. I think that was

671
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,640
the first episode for me this season, which I'm pretty

672
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,559
sure is episode seven, maybe six, like around that, which

673
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,240
that's like halfway through the show. That was the first

674
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,039
episode when I was like, damn, okay, they're cooking now,

675
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,359
like like it took some time, but we're here now.

676
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: This this is.

677
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,319
Speaker 2: Spicy because I thought that whole dynamic of like the

678
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:36,960
fake Daredevil and not just being a fake Daredevil, like

679
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:42,000
it's a planned, a plan, calculated like scapegoat that Fisk

680
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,799
is sitting up here. The guy even looks exactly like

681
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,880
Matt does, like under the mask, you know, like like

682
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,799
when he goes up to Karen, like heay, Karen, good

683
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:50,759
to see you again. Like I just loved all of

684
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,559
those pieces kind of falling into place there. So yeah,

685
00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:57,599
I was kind of grumpy the first few episodes, and like,

686
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,880
not every episode was terrible, it was it just felt

687
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,519
like a long time to get going into the the

688
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:04,960
hoodspa of what I wanted to you know, some we

689
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,160
had some We had a lot of fantastic action season two,

690
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,319
so I was just assuming season three was just gonna

691
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:12,880
be like even more so of that. Uh you know,

692
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,400
took a took a hot damn minute to get there.

693
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,759
But when we actually got to that sequence of the bulletin,

694
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,799
especially because I just did not expect it to happen

695
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,759
at all, like I assume there would have been some

696
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,799
threat there, but like a fake Daredevil, that was just

697
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:28,400
such an interesting thing to have. And uh, yeah, no,

698
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,359
I I think that was a really really cool antagonist

699
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,160
to have throughout the whole show. And I don't know,

700
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,160
I have some minor grievances with Poindexter, and again, just

701
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:41,440
seemed like we really wanted to flesh out like his

702
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,200
origin story, which for the most part I just thought

703
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,440
it was like kind of cheesy, a lot of the

704
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,000
flashback childhood stuff there, but it's also just I don't know,

705
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,839
building a little bit more, yeah, just backstory for the

706
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,319
character to make them more interesting. To maybe make like

707
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,200
the the Turn that much more impactful. But it just

708
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,799
seemed like we spent a lot of time with that

709
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,799
character and a lot of time with Agent Nadeem, which, again,

710
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,440
by the end of the season, I was a little

711
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,920
bit more open to it, but I just think during it,

712
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,719
I'm like, why the fuck are we getting introduced to

713
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,400
these characters here?

714
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: Like, I'm just so not interested. By the end of

715
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,719
the season, although it was more positive.

716
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: I still would have taken a lot of that out

717
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:23,599
to just maybe focus more on other characters, just more

718
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,679
Karen stuff, more foggy stuff. Like I just we had

719
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,159
a lot of focus on these new characters that got introduced,

720
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,800
and because it wasn't explained till way later, it just

721
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,559
felt like a waste of time. You know, I'm sotunding

722
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:39,199
extreme here, but yeah, I just wasn't really vibing with

723
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,239
the setup of those characters, even though you know, we've

724
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,719
got some good moments like the bulletin set up, and like,

725
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,800
he's actually a capable fighter too. He's not just not

726
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,199
just an agent right, Like he is Bullseye. He can

727
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,159
fucking he pisses and he don't miss. Like this guy

728
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,239
hits everything so yeah, I thought it was a great

729
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,519
antag and is set up there and that episode I think,

730
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,440
like that episode in the episode after I was really

731
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,239
really locked into it, it, Yeah, they had me good

732
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:06,960
at that portion.

733
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:10,199
Speaker 3: I did not realize that was Bullseye until I just

734
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,360
I google it him, like okay, who is point Dexter,

735
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,360
Like this is bulls Eye? Was like holy shit, Okay,

736
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,199
that that makes sense. And he rivaled in combat fiercely

737
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:20,960
against Daredevil.

738
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:21,519
Speaker 4: Holy shit.

739
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I'm not a big Daredevil comic book fan,

740
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,480
but like you know, the good old Ben Affleck, Colin

741
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:33,239
Ferrell Bullseye casting. That was like my first you know,

742
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,880
experience with the Bullseye character. And then probably just throw

743
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,480
like ultimate alliance and like him being like a villain

744
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:40,079
through there.

745
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: He's like a great like.

746
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: Just yeah, like a character to recognize because he's just

747
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,920
he don't miss his name's Bullseye, Like it makes sense.

748
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: He's usually got like an arrow on him. So that's that.

749
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,079
Speaker 2: But and this I think overall though, like at best

750
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:59,079
he's like a b villain. Maybe like this season I

751
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:01,400
think did a good job uplifting him a little bit

752
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,559
more like making.

753
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: Him more of that.

754
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: But by the end of it, like he's he really

755
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:08,800
kind of just is that right, Like like we spent

756
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,159
a lot of time with him, but it's just kind

757
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,239
of doubling down on like he's fucked.

758
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: He's just he's just this psychopath. Like that's what this

759
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:15,760
character is. There.

760
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,199
Speaker 2: There's not that much more to it, Like there's there's

761
00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:22,159
some layers there. I like the moments when we're like

762
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,679
he's trying to like not go into those psychopathic tendencies, right,

763
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,760
like when he's actually like listening to his tapes, they

764
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,679
show that he's like he actually wants to get Julie's help.

765
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,079
I thought he was going to just straight up murder

766
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,880
her because he was going full psycho stalker vibes there,

767
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,639
approaching her, grabbing her and like all these things. But

768
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,920
I like those aspects that they were at least trying

769
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,000
with the character. But it just seemed like it got

770
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:47,800
to a point where like, oh no, he's just straight

771
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,159
up evil, Like he's just Kingpin's number one henchman. He

772
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,800
wants to be the new Wesley, And yeah, I just

773
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,480
I found the character to be a little bit disappointed

774
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:00,760
by by the end and that card. But yeah, like

775
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,199
when we got the flashback of him killing his like

776
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,719
baseball coach. That's when I like, oh, this is bulls eye.

777
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,280
He just fucking banked it off the off the pole

778
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,079
domes them and like, yeah, I did that on purpose,

779
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:13,800
like he was just born to not miss I.

780
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: I I didn't really know about his origin.

781
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 2: I guess he's just always, you know, one hundred percent

782
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,039
accurate accuracy, which which is good as a soldier, I guess.

783
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:26,199
But uh and and you know, I'm again super negative.

784
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound all negative.

785
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the fight scenes with him

786
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,159
were really really cool, just the different like items that

787
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,360
he was grabbing, whether it his pencils, when.

788
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Uh Nadeem and Matt are in.

789
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: His apartment and he's like picking off those like chandelier

790
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,119
like glass things and it's just like all this like

791
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,320
Ammo that he picks up. It's yeah, just just fun

792
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,880
sequence there. And I like the actor too in the role,

793
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,079
Like I thought he did a pretty good job of

794
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,760
just showing that he's like in pain and like trying

795
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,199
to be a little bit better. But then also when

796
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:58,760
he's turning on either the Daredevil, uh the fake Daredevil persona,

797
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,000
or just just beating character I think he showed the

798
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:02,679
layers there.

799
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think that's.

800
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,599
Speaker 3: One of the downfalls to Fisk too, because he he

801
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,719
looked into a point like Dex's history and saw, okay

802
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,920
that he's got a lot of problems and knew how

803
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,079
to manipulate and take advantage of that, but not how

804
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,599
to maintain it and control it. He thought that, okay,

805
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:20,960
he could use Dex for what he needed to for

806
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:23,119
these few little missions and then just kind of like

807
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,519
remove him and not remove him, but put him on

808
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:26,159
the back burner.

809
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,639
Speaker 4: And that doesn't work for decks.

810
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,159
Speaker 3: Because Dex was trying to worm his way in there

811
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:30,840
more like hey, yeah, like you said, think of me

812
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,159
as the new Wesley and all that kind of stuff.

813
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: It's like, this is not appropriate.

814
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 3: But again, he was coming from a place that was unhealthy,

815
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,320
and without Julie that wasn't great. But the guy, the

816
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,400
guy was definitely fucked. He's working at a suicide prevention

817
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,400
hotline and he's like, why don't you want to use

818
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,400
that gun yourself? Why don't you just like you use

819
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,320
that on some other people like Jesus Christ. He's not

820
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,119
not doing good, not doing good at all.

821
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 4: No, and that's FBI.

822
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 3: I don't understand how that that connection.

823
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,119
Speaker 1: And I imagine, like again like.

824
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:08,679
Speaker 2: N unqualified people get into positions every day, but like

825
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,360
specifically an FBI, Like I imagine there's so many like

826
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,000
psych evaluations that constantly have to do and like he

827
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,199
does do one right, like when he kills those officers,

828
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,039
Like he's he's talking to the doctor, like do we

829
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:21,559
really have to do this? Like just going through the

830
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,800
motions again, and I feel like up like that point,

831
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,639
it's fine, but then later on, I'm like, how the

832
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:27,840
fuck did he pass any of these?

833
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: Like this guy is so fucking unhinged, And I guess

834
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:30,360
you can.

835
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: Make the the explanation that, like, well, he's just going

836
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,519
through a lot. By that point, he loses his job,

837
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,400
Julie's gone, not answering his calls, He's uh, he's really

838
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,280
wigging out and like listening to these tapes a lot.

839
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:44,960
And then eventually he just burns it, you know, and

840
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:46,840
just close that chapter on his life and kind of

841
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,519
goes to the point in return. But yeah, I don't know,

842
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,800
I think the setup of the character, I'm like, who

843
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,840
the fuck is this gonna be? When uh Kingpinn was

844
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,360
going through his files, and he like sees him as

845
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,239
a child, like in his apartment. I just thought all

846
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,800
the way that was done was so cheesy. Yeah, the

847
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,079
dialogue between the kid and the coach. I was just

848
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,840
kind of rolling my eyes in that sequence. But yeah,

849
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,360
for for just kind of looking at the character overall,

850
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,400
definitely a Although I might sound, you know, pretty harsh

851
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,199
on him right now, I think it was a more

852
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,000
positive part of just the overall season, just just to

853
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,440
have this like imposing force, especially at the start when

854
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,079
you have Mat that's like he's, you know, he's trying

855
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,639
to rEFInd Jesus and his own faith on what he's

856
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,480
doing with Daredevil, and then he sees this guy who's

857
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:33,840
dressed in the Daredevil attire and just kicks the shit

858
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,119
out of him and like, who the fuck is this guy?

859
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,079
Why is he wearing my suit? How is he better

860
00:40:38,119 --> 00:40:40,320
than me? Like all these questions. I did like that

861
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,400
kind of holy shit moment, But it's also like, well, fuck, Matt,

862
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,719
maybe if you weren't just like crying in the in

863
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,480
the church this whole time may would have been better.

864
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,039
And uh, Butani will take him on. But that's just

865
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,400
kind of me being facetious.

866
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: So no, no, I can get behind it. He spends

867
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:57,400
so much time in that church it was ridiculous, And

868
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,800
he buried his suit, like he said, like he could

869
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,760
have done things so very differently. But I don't know,

870
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,559
like do they just want to avoid having no season two?

871
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:09,159
He was in a suit for the whole season, so

872
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,199
I don't know. I don't know necessarily what the point was,

873
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,440
aside from it just being dex Is personating him and

874
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,000
or using that to make him to be the new martyr,

875
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,119
the new villain of Hell's Kitchen. So he pulls the

876
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,760
attention off of Fisk, which, again, with all the power

877
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,320
Fisk has at the start, that's what really just pulled

878
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,320
me out. I did not understand, like, Okay, he's got

879
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,400
all of this control, he's getting things in his he

880
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,239
gets out of jail, and he gets in his penthouse

881
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,679
condo that he bought with the offshore company, and now

882
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,760
he's getting his artwork and his suits and everything put

883
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,079
back in there because he owns half the FBI. It's like, man,

884
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:48,920
I don't understand this. This is just this is too

885
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,199
rushed and too over the top.

886
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like I didn't have like a

887
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,239
big problem with him. Necessarily having influence in dirt on

888
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,960
officers even like the FBI to a point, But it

889
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:07,239
just seemed like the start of the show, we're especially

890
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,079
because we we followed Agent Nadeem, like before he even

891
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:14,079
gets in contact with with Kingpin, right, like yeah, like

892
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,719
it opens, he's got credit card debt or whatever, but

893
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,199
like he has big plans. He wants to get this

894
00:42:18,199 --> 00:42:20,000
pool of his family and like he's just a really

895
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,280
nice carrying family guy.

896
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Uh.

897
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: And then what goes on front after that we go

898
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,559
to the FBI, and then it kind of hinted that

899
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:31,639
he's he's getting kind of stunted on his promotion pathway right,

900
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,119
like his his boss is just not letting him do it,

901
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,239
she says, trying to protect him all these things. Eventually

902
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,559
it leads to Kingpin, and like the whole support around

903
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,199
the FBI for for Nadeem is like this is perfect.

904
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:46,880
Like we're like we're getting we're getting dirt from him

905
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,880
to you know, shut down these other crime lords and

906
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,159
and this is going well, it's we're gonna get a

907
00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,320
lot of use out of him. And there's just no

908
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:59,920
like hints that anything could be going in a Kingpin direction, right,

909
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,519
Like I guess you could argue that, well, the fact

910
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:05,440
that they even have Fisk's file here and like want

911
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,239
to talk to him about getting these people like Fists

912
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,599
probably just orchestrate that whole thing, So that's probably the

913
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:12,800
reasoning there. But it just seems like the way that

914
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,159
we're unraveling it with the dem is like we don't

915
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,880
get any inklean of like hey, yeah, like this is Fist,

916
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,719
but like remember like do what he says and all

917
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,159
these like it just seems like everyone's against him until

918
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:27,559
the reveal happens and then literally every single person in

919
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:29,719
the FBI is like, no, we're we work for Fisk,

920
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,599
like we call him Kingpin, and it just seemed like

921
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:34,400
like just a snap of the fingers, like oh no,

922
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,199
he's just god moo now, and like you didn't know this,

923
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,079
but he had this the whole time, and it just

924
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,079
it seemed like it seemed like I was watching something

925
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,159
like uh, he was gonna be a wild poll but

926
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,119
now you see me. You know, when it's a movie

927
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,000
about magic and like it's cool, but like at the

928
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,079
end of the day, it's just like cgi magic that

929
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,079
they're doing, and like they can have these really crazy,

930
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,760
elaborate tricks and there's no real reason to explain them

931
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:03,039
because it's not real. It's all movie shenanigans. So therefore

932
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,199
here you could say that we're like no Kingpin had

933
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000
them played the whole time, but we don't have to

934
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,159
show any of that because it's just it's just movie magic.

935
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,079
Like he's just always had them playing the whole time,

936
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:14,039
like he's just been ten steps ahead since he's one,

937
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:15,679
and like that's just lazy.

938
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:16,119
Speaker 1: I don't know.

939
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: I was just unsatisfied with the reveal there, and I

940
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,480
think a big portion of it is like what you

941
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,800
stated with him just being you know, you didn't say this,

942
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,920
I said it, but like he's basically god mode, where

943
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,480
like it doesn't matter what happens. He has everyone played,

944
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:30,760
he's got the whole FBI, he's probably got the whole

945
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,880
fucking President United States and his belt right, like like

946
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,760
what does this guy have to fear other than just

947
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,400
losing Vanessa, Like that's his only con is that he's

948
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,159
just such a little simpleton when it comes to Vanessa

949
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:43,320
and trying to impress her and not in front of

950
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,239
Vanessa like just fuck man, like just annoyed by that.

951
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:51,079
So yeah, I'm right there, with you on the Uh.

952
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,639
I don't even know if it's the right term. I'll

953
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:54,880
call it power creep that they have for Kingpin in

954
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,159
the season. And yeah, like like when he takes the

955
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,800
ankle bracelet at the end of Like Walks Away, it

956
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,800
just I didn't feel satisfied by it, Like I feel

957
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,519
like it should have been like a holy fuck, he

958
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:08,199
did it, he got out sort of way, but for me,

959
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,840
it just felt unsatisfying.

960
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:16,039
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair, Ah, I Yeah, it's just it's it's

961
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:20,039
so it's so annoying that this character has kind of

962
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:25,239
just been I don't know, it's just aggravating. It's aggravating

963
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,360
because I feel like after more of this discussion and

964
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,719
just seeing where we're at with this character, I feel

965
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,519
like they were just putting us putting him in the

966
00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:35,239
wrong direction with the development so far, and yeah, like

967
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,679
having all this power and having all this kind of stuff,

968
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,119
And I get it with na Deem he was watching

969
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:42,000
a dem for over a year And I like that

970
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:43,800
quick little line like yet because.

971
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,119
Speaker 4: You get to see a little bit more.

972
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:49,159
Speaker 3: Okay, he had him marked for a year and then

973
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,719
we're gonna have him kind of be denied his rais

974
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,239
and we're gonna have him be eager to just listen

975
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,199
to Fisk and get Fisk what he Fisk needs and YadA, YadA,

976
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,000
YadA for the f b I. But it's all part

977
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:06,039
of Fisk's plan, and it for me, I didn't like it.

978
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,239
And I don't want to say until because I don't

979
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,000
like it period. But with Fisk I, I didn't like it.

980
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,280
And then I put a hold on it when it

981
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,920
came to that scene where Nadan walks into the FBI

982
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:19,199
room and you just see all these officers that Fisk

983
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,239
has in his pocket, and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna

984
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:24,239
like up till now it was pissed me off, but

985
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,079
I'm just gonna be I'm gonna be like Nadiem and

986
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:29,039
just roll with it. So that's where I kind of

987
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,920
was okay with how things were going. But just again,

988
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,559
all his power just wasn't. It was not I don't know,

989
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,719
not great part.

990
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: Of the sun the bomb was.

991
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,599
Speaker 2: Then Yeah, that's right, let's take another outbreak here and

992
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:46,920
then we'll write back.

993
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: All right, we are right back.

994
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,559
Speaker 2: Something else that was kind of annoying for me this season,

995
00:46:55,119 --> 00:47:00,280
and it's been I don't know where it's going with

996
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,920
that let's shift. Oh yeah, never mind. I just remind

997
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:10,199
myself Season two ends with a big cliffhanger of you know,

998
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,280
Karen Page finding out not from you know, Matt's mouth

999
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,880
himself that he is Daredevil.

1000
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,559
Speaker 1: Crazy way to end the season.

1001
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:22,119
Speaker 2: I couldn't fucking wait to get into season three for that,

1002
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,039
for that reason of just like seeing what this dynamic is,

1003
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,679
and man, I could not I could not be more

1004
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,320
unsatisfied with I think what would happened here? Like it

1005
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,800
when we do pick up with them having the conversation,

1006
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,519
it's just kind of not like, not a lot comes

1007
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:42,480
out of it to and maybe I just had my

1008
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:46,440
own expectations of how it was gonna go. It's just oh, yeah, okay,

1009
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,719
that that's like why didn't you tell me again? Major paraphrasing.

1010
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,599
There's a lot more that was said here, but just

1011
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,719
the way that everything plays out. I was hoping that

1012
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,880
it was going to be like, Yeah, this is gonna

1013
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,320
make a lot more of an interesting dynamic where you

1014
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,320
have care and doing her on the ground work, but

1015
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,440
then also able to work with Matt like in the

1016
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,800
Daredevil mass not in not in the same way of

1017
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,639
like she's running, you know, fighting crime with him in

1018
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:15,519
the nighttime, but just just helping, like working together in

1019
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,000
that way. And just the fact that this season, pretty

1020
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,719
much halfway through the whole season, like they don't even

1021
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,400
really interact at all, right, because Matt's just completely on

1022
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,559
his own trying to find himself. Here you have Karen

1023
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,719
doing her own work with the bulletin, Foggy kind of

1024
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,760
doing his own thing, and like they're kind of just

1025
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,000
wondering where Matt is and trying to accept the fact

1026
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,800
that he is dead. You know, of course Karen's kind

1027
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,920
of holding on to hope that he's still out there.

1028
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,480
But I don't know, I just I felt so unsatisfied

1029
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,639
with the way that we picked up with that, and

1030
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:57,039
I love the whole triage of Foggy, Karen and Matt.

1031
00:48:57,079 --> 00:48:59,199
I think that's a big reason why I just see

1032
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:01,320
the early portions of the show, like specific season one,

1033
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,119
just so intriguing, like when they're still the law firm

1034
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,639
and like working together. Obviously Matt's doing his nighttime stuff,

1035
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:10,840
but like there's still a team for the most part,

1036
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,679
and even later on, like it doesn't really feel like

1037
00:49:14,679 --> 00:49:17,400
they're a team until like the penultimate episode, maybe even

1038
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,000
like the finale like it like they're just really distance

1039
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,480
and that was just really upsetting for me because I was,

1040
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:25,239
you know, like it's definitely Matt's show. But I still

1041
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,639
think those three were really really great together throughout the

1042
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:31,320
whole show, and this season it's just really not there,

1043
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,000
like the specifically the trio of them. I think Karen

1044
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,559
probably has like the most besides Matt in this of course,

1045
00:49:38,599 --> 00:49:41,239
Foggy's doing his da thing. I think they're I think

1046
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,039
they're all great like on their own. It's just I

1047
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,760
really wanted to have more of a team aspect of

1048
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,119
the season, knowing that it's the finale, you know, like

1049
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,800
you got Daredevil borne again, but just judging the show

1050
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,960
on its own, like this is kind of closing the

1051
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:57,599
chapter here, and I there's like one moment at the

1052
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,360
end when they're like yef Nelson and Murdoch back on

1053
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,719
the case or whatever the hell they say, and it's like, okay, man,

1054
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:04,320
this is sweet. And then I realized that it's like

1055
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,639
episode thirteen, like it's right at the end, like, yeah,

1056
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:08,320
oh okay, that's that's that.

1057
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 1: So a little bit were you with me?

1058
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was with you. I would have loved

1059
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,039
to see a little bit more collab, and there were

1060
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,000
brief moments where Okay, Daredevil and Karen are trapped in

1061
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,920
the basement because we're always going back to the basement,

1062
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,920
and then the whole FBI has it all under lockdown,

1063
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:30,239
and uh, why can't I remember his character name? Not

1064
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:35,440
Daredevil met Murdoc, thank you Jesus Weez, Memurdock escapes and

1065
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,440
Karen Page is in there, and so Foggy comes in

1066
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,000
and their plan is, Okay, Foggy is going to basically testify,

1067
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,480
not testify for her, but represent her and be like, Okay,

1068
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,119
the FBI does not claim Karen Page. It's going to

1069
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:50,559
be the local jurisdiction, the police. I'm like, yeah, New

1070
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:52,880
York PD. This is great. I love this because they're

1071
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,840
they're working as a team, they're thinking, and even then

1072
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,719
when they get into deem to basically confess and testify,

1073
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,920
games like, Okay, this is great too, because now we

1074
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,519
got the all three of them working together.

1075
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 4: But then I feel like this season for me.

1076
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: Had damaged Karen a little bit warm. I didn't care

1077
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,719
much for her backstory of just her doing drugs and

1078
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,119
just right there with you, man. I was not enjoying

1079
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:21,920
that at all. And just I get they're really trying

1080
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,440
to show that she was struggling in the season being

1081
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,000
alone and not being with Matt and with Foggy as

1082
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:29,920
much and so forth, but it still didn't sit with

1083
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,559
me the right way. And then when she totally fucks

1084
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:35,199
Foggy over and goes to actually talk to Fists because like,

1085
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,039
I don't care what happens to me, I'm just gonna

1086
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,679
get him mad. So he sees it on the FBI,

1087
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,880
the FED seat on camera. It's like, well, I wouldn't

1088
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,599
have done anything in retrospect because the FBI is they're

1089
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:48,000
all working for him, so they would have just threw

1090
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,280
the camera footage away and she would have died for nothing.

1091
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,119
It was just bullshit.

1092
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:52,159
Speaker 4: But when she was.

1093
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: Being hunted after the fact, Okay, I thought this was cool.

1094
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,440
I could get on board with this. This was this

1095
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:00,519
is exciting. But uh yeah, I just uh, I'm I'm

1096
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:03,719
not overly thrilled with just that flashback episode. And I

1097
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,639
feel like they could have they could have told the

1098
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:07,960
story a little bit better because Madison was with me

1099
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:13,239
when we're watching and when she's this was post Fisk

1100
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,400
and she was feeling just helpless, helpless and she calls

1101
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,960
her dad and her dad's like, yeah, no, just you

1102
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,519
can't come home.

1103
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's not a good idea.

1104
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:24,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, as is like what the hell kind of a

1105
00:52:24,199 --> 00:52:26,760
parent would say that. I was like, I don't know.

1106
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,079
And then finally we got the episode where she she

1107
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:31,840
fucked up Royal, So it makes sense. But I'm not

1108
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,639
a big fan of any of that that history.

1109
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,159
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I was.

1110
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:38,159
Speaker 2: I was really bummed by that episode because if I believe, Yeah,

1111
00:52:38,159 --> 00:52:40,920
if I remember, that was episode ten and episode nine

1112
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:43,719
like left in like a big like holy shit, let's go,

1113
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,079
like stuff's ramping up, just some interesting thing with Agent

1114
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,760
Nadeem finding out a little bit more about Fisk maybe

1115
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,599
potentially working against them a little bit, or or trying

1116
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:55,400
to at least, and then we just jumped to a

1117
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,199
full flashback episode for Karen here, And I don't know,

1118
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:04,519
I I I think there's a place for like filling

1119
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,559
in backstory with Karen, because it's especially in season one

1120
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,800
we get we get some flashbacks between Foggy and Matt

1121
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,400
right like when they're like new lawyers. So there is

1122
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,039
a little bit of flashback stuff there for Foggy, But

1123
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,880
and like, I don't think judging the specific episode on

1124
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,440
its own is like bad by any means, Like I

1125
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,320
think I can't remember her name, but the lady that

1126
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:32,320
plays Karen, I'll get her name. It's some Deborah Ann Hall,

1127
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:36,719
not Hall Deborah and Wool. Like, I think she's great

1128
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,440
throughout the whole show. In that episode, it's her episode obviously,

1129
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:41,199
so there's there's a lot of hers. There's a lot

1130
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,480
of just range in the emotion and everything that she's showing, Like,

1131
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:46,639
I think she's really good, but it just it seemed

1132
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:48,360
kind of out of place, you know, Like I I

1133
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,920
don't think I got a lot out of that to

1134
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,119
be like, oh, this was this is what I needed

1135
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,599
going into the last two episodes here to really make

1136
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,159
me feel satisfied with with what's going on with the show.

1137
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,119
Like I think it's it's an out Like okay, yeah,

1138
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:03,840
it filled me a little bit more in that she's

1139
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,480
she's had some trouble in the past and like, I

1140
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,280
guess I know why she can handle a gun because

1141
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,440
she shot someone before, and U just a fucked up

1142
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,400
setup with her with her family dynamic. It explains the

1143
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,519
phone call. I guess why her dad is so distant,

1144
00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:19,320
But like it just it didn't do a lot to

1145
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,559
push this specific story together. So I think what I'm

1146
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:24,159
trying to say is like I would have taken this

1147
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:27,679
episode just in a different place, and not even necessarily

1148
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,320
like this season, just just somewhere else in the show.

1149
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,639
I already feel like this season spent some time in

1150
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,000
areas I didn't want, with what other Nadem's family or Poindexter,

1151
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,360
with the the therapist. Like there's just some things I

1152
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,800
feel like we already could have trimmed. So the fact

1153
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,599
that we got a whole episode in like the last four,

1154
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:51,280
you know, like like running off the whole show, it's

1155
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,960
definitely an area I would have chopped out. But yeah, yeah,

1156
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:57,199
I also just like we haven't really had a whole

1157
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,679
flashback episode if I remember, without the whole show, So

1158
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:01,519
just have one only for Karen.

1159
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,559
Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised, But.

1160
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: Getting back to the modern day stuff, I did actually

1161
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,480
really like the sequence when she goes to confront Fisk.

1162
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,440
I think there was just some really good anticipation and

1163
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,599
build up and suspense of like, holy fuck, like this guy,

1164
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,239
like she's never really been face to face with him,

1165
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:24,519
even though like he you know, indirectly was like responsible

1166
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,119
for like her almost death and like wanting to kill her,

1167
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:29,280
and like all these people that were close to her.

1168
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,199
Ben Yurick obviously like he killed him with his bare hands.

1169
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,239
So like to actually have Karen face to face with

1170
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,920
this guy, that was a big moment for me, and

1171
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,119
I like the conversation, like the way that played out.

1172
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: I like that Karen was like digging her heels in

1173
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:43,039
and like I was.

1174
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 3: There with Ben. Yeah, didn't feel great taking advantage of

1175
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,599
an old woman.

1176
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,679
Speaker 1: I love the way the dialogue went.

1177
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 2: I liked that she was like like giving it to him,

1178
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,960
like you think I'm fucking scared of you. I shot

1179
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,440
Wesley like seven times, like I'm the one that killed him,

1180
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,239
and like she's getting under his skin like it's working.

1181
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,719
So I really liked how that scene played out. And

1182
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,760
then obviously Foggy shows up right when he's about to

1183
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,079
fucking pull a ben Yurick on her and just beat

1184
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,000
the shit out of her.

1185
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:16,199
Speaker 1: But uh so, yeah, good timing from Foggy there, But yeah,

1186
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:17,960
I I.

1187
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,199
Speaker 2: What was I gonna stay there? I don't know, It's

1188
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,119
just just a good sequence. And then of course that's

1189
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,320
when Kingpin goes all out like we're taking out here Pointdexter,

1190
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,199
you have the green light, and then she goes on

1191
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,920
the run, which, yeah, it was a little bit intense.

1192
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,920
I was also just thinking of season one. I'm like, man,

1193
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,599
this poor lady, she's just always on the run from

1194
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,440
Kingpin and she's just she she needs to get out

1195
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,920
of Dodge. But here we are again, So I even

1196
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,920
know what I was trying to say there, just my thoughts. Yeah,

1197
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,760
there's some good stuff and some bad stuff.

1198
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,119
Speaker 3: She's very lucky, you know, Sister Maggie just popped in there,

1199
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:53,280
and at this point we know Sister Maggie is Daredevil's mom.

1200
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,440
I was not expecting that at all.

1201
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 4: Of course I don't know.

1202
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't know the comics, I don't know the backstory there.

1203
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,159
But it's still just complete left field just does not

1204
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,000
see it coming.

1205
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is funny too because this character she's in

1206
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,320
like episode one of this season. But maybe you can

1207
00:57:10,679 --> 00:57:13,159
help me remember, like she's not in any other season,

1208
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,280
right like her No interesting, Yeah.

1209
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 3: It's what's his name, father, mister father.

1210
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:19,039
Speaker 1: Who's also in here.

1211
00:57:19,079 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: But like, we have a lot of maggy stuff specifically

1212
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,199
in this and like it starts off with her being

1213
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,199
just the grumpy you know sister, the grumpy nun who

1214
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,559
uh like Matt's just fucking taking a bed from her,

1215
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:33,880
you know, like she's just a grumpy, sour old lady.

1216
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,599
Speaker 1: And I don't know, like, to me, this lady like

1217
00:57:38,639 --> 00:57:39,599
she didn't seem.

1218
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,519
Speaker 2: That old like at all, Like like like I feel

1219
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,559
like there's there's some scenes where she looks older than others.

1220
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,119
Speaker 1: There's a specific scene when she's.

1221
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: Talking to Matt and she's not wearing like her nun

1222
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,559
head piece, and I'm like, man, she looks like the

1223
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,239
same fucking age as Charlie Cox here, like.

1224
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:55,239
Speaker 3: They were going to hook up.

1225
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:57,039
Speaker 1: I did too, I did too.

1226
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,719
Speaker 2: Specifically that scene when like she doesn't have her headdress on,

1227
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,639
I'm like, mad, Matt, you know, he's one with the

1228
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,480
ladies here, like he's they're gonna just start fucking here.

1229
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:07,320
And then of course we get the reveal that it's uh,

1230
00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,679
it's his mom, which made me rethink you know how

1231
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:13,880
I felt on that sequence there. But anyway, what I

1232
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,639
was trying to say is just like, yeah, they set

1233
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,639
up that she's she's an old nun. She was basically

1234
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,599
the same role that she is to like the younger students,

1235
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,800
that she was for Matt when he was younger. Obviously,

1236
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,679
now we know that, like that's his mom, so it

1237
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,440
makes sense. The aging is just yeah, she said, like, oh,

1238
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,519
I used to do that for you, like in regards

1239
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,079
to him being like a young student. I'm like, man,

1240
00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,719
this lady looks so young to like, I guess she

1241
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,320
just she just doesn't age. She's doing She's got good geeness,

1242
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,719
taking care of her skin, She's doing good. But yeah,

1243
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,239
another character that I was just a little bit perplexed

1244
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,159
on why we were spending so much time with at

1245
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,440
the start of the show. But that's kind of what

1246
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,639
this show is, or sorry, the season is where like

1247
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,480
we spend a lot of time introducing the Dean Poindexter,

1248
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,679
Maggie sister Maggie here, and then later on in the

1249
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,719
season that's when you find out the significance of these

1250
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,880
characters and just kind of the parts that they play

1251
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,280
in the story of this season. But because we were

1252
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,119
just getting a lot of introductions there, I'm like, just

1253
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,840
fucking give me Karen and Foggy and Matt, like, like,

1254
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:16,960
just I want to spend time with characters that I

1255
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:17,880
know in love already.

1256
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,599
Speaker 1: But I digress.

1257
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: I'm just a whiny old part here. But yeah, Maggie,

1258
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:24,920
I thought she was good. I thought the performance was good.

1259
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,519
I like to reveal because, as you already stated, I

1260
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,599
did not see it coming at all. Uh, the way

1261
00:59:30,599 --> 00:59:32,400
that that Matt just kind of found out when he's

1262
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,880
just beating the bag and he's like ooh, I was like,

1263
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,920
oh man, you really just just remembering his mother that

1264
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:40,599
that was weird.

1265
00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: But it's got to share me in that scene on

1266
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,400
the note of Moms, because I mean I liked her

1267
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,400
character a lot, and I like how she kind of

1268
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,199
like picked up you know at the end.

1269
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: She was our thirsty young nun too.

1270
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 3: Eh, she was go back that You're.

1271
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Like, no, let's just check out what's.

1272
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,719
Speaker 3: Going on here. Yeah she was.

1273
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:02,679
Speaker 1: She was going for it.

1274
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 3: And then complete left field too again when the kid

1275
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,400
was born and she's just not all there mentally, just

1276
01:00:08,599 --> 01:00:11,199
betrayed God and so the church had to take her

1277
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:15,760
away some crazy ship. But for me, uh, on the

1278
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,800
on the notes of of Mothers, when we look at

1279
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,119
Foggy's mom, did you recognize that actress.

1280
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:27,599
Speaker 1: That's Penguin's mom? Right?

1281
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 3: Yes?

1282
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually.

1283
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,639
Speaker 2: Meant to like pull that up when I was watching

1284
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:35,199
that episode, but I totally forgot about it. But yeah, no,

1285
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,639
she's a good mom character mom.

1286
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:44,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what she's.

1287
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: As Foggy's mom. You know, she's a lot less like

1288
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,079
abusive as opposed to mister cobble pot.

1289
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, yeah, uh so was cool to see

1290
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:55,400
that kind of connection there. I was not expecting that whatsoever. Yeah, yeah,

1291
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,239
getting getting Foggy's kind of not his backstory, but just

1292
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:00,639
more of his family. I liked the I like seeing

1293
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:04,800
that the haircut too, driving with that living he's looking good, living.

1294
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: Looking like he's making money.

1295
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 3: Yeahs making money, all right, Yeah, trying to run for DA.

1296
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 4: Like that whole story.

1297
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,159
Speaker 3: I like that a lot where Okay, a while ago

1298
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:16,360
his family got kind of roped in and put under pressure,

1299
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,280
and now his family could go to jail or they

1300
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,360
don't have to, depends because if he does become DA,

1301
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:26,679
then there's Fisk has control over him. And it's like, goddamn,

1302
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:28,719
that's just some crazy shit just to think about how

1303
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Fisk just is trying to tap in and control him.

1304
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,639
But yeah, he's he's definitely trying to do the right thing.

1305
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,519
And I like Foggy a lot more in the season.

1306
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:38,599
Foggy is one of my my favorite character of the

1307
01:01:38,639 --> 01:01:39,760
show actually after all.

1308
01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 4: These seasons, and he's.

1309
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,079
Speaker 3: I like too that he is evolved where he knows

1310
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,119
Matt and he's like, Okay, if Matt kills someone, he's

1311
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:50,360
never gonna be able to come back from that.

1312
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,639
Speaker 4: It's just going to destroy him.

1313
01:01:51,719 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA. And I like that he's he's just

1314
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,199
he gets pissed off when Matt appears and he's been

1315
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,480
drinking and it's like, holy shit, and then Matt takes

1316
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:02,079
his wallet.

1317
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:02,639
Speaker 4: It's like fuck.

1318
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,039
Speaker 3: Which amazing prison sequence that way, that whole whole thing

1319
01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:09,400
was choreographed and just he was being like attacked and

1320
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,840
then he had to like take on the guards and

1321
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,480
like sneak through with like an undercover guy as a

1322
01:02:14,519 --> 01:02:16,039
guard and just get out of the prison. It was

1323
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:19,440
just the whole riot. That was a fantastic scene, which

1324
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,480
he pretended to be Foggy getting in there, I guess

1325
01:02:21,519 --> 01:02:25,199
with his ID from his stolen wallet. But yeah, I

1326
01:02:25,679 --> 01:02:27,360
really like Foggy and he's one of the highlights for

1327
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,519
me going into Born Again just to see that character

1328
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:29,960
come back.

1329
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:33,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm curious what the role is gonna be

1330
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:36,599
for him, right, because obviously, like he's he's got a

1331
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,599
big part to play, but he's just so distance from

1332
01:02:39,639 --> 01:02:41,760
Matt as opposed to what he was in season one.

1333
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:44,960
I guess, you know, season one, he doesn't know about Daredevil,

1334
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,079
so maybe he can argue he's he is more distance there,

1335
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,159
but it just seems like he's doing a lot of

1336
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:52,440
stuff kind of behind the scenes for the good fight

1337
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,719
to take on Fist, not necessarily to help out Matt.

1338
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:59,280
But I really I feel like I'm I'm kind of

1339
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,599
surprised about how much I appreciate that character because I

1340
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:03,920
just kind of thought he was gonna be like the

1341
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,800
comic relief, you know, like Matt's buddy who's like kind

1342
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,599
of the I was gonna say, be to your lawyer,

1343
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,639
but that sounds that sounds harsh the second lawyer lawyer,

1344
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,760
you know, when it comes to Murdoch and Nelson, because

1345
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,679
it just seems like in season one, anytime that they

1346
01:03:17,719 --> 01:03:20,880
had like a lawyer eureka moment, it was always Matt like,

1347
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,039
well just just do this, this and this, and Foggy's like.

1348
01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:24,599
Speaker 1: Oh, you're so such a genius, Matt.

1349
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:26,679
Speaker 2: But like to where he is now, it seems like

1350
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,599
he is like arguably a better lawyer than Murdoch because

1351
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:32,880
he's just so much more focused on doing and he's like,

1352
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,559
you know, if he's with a bigger law firm now

1353
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:37,719
he's probably working on these massive cases. He's just so

1354
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,880
much more in the weeds on the lawyer stuff, whereas

1355
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,599
Matt's I'm surprised if he even remembers how to do

1356
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:45,079
that after the beatings that he's gotten from, you know,

1357
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:47,920
these boxers in the church basement, the fight club that

1358
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,320
got going on there. So yeah, I like that the

1359
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,760
character kind of kept progressing in a trajectory like throughout

1360
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,480
the whole show. You know, It's it's not like just

1361
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:58,880
because Matt's not with him, the character is just nothing

1362
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,159
like he's He still has a strong relationship with Marcy,

1363
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,000
which again was a character that I thought was just

1364
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:06,760
gonna be a nothing character in season one, but she's

1365
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,400
she had some use here. She's not a big player,

1366
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:13,400
you know, pushing the whole story forward, but she directly

1367
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,079
and indirectly supports Foggy and helps him kind of get

1368
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:19,840
some one ups on the Fisk and gang. So yeah,

1369
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,239
I'm really impressed, But just kind of how they're able

1370
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,960
to keep Foggy relevant, and he was going for DA

1371
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:27,639
here right, like that's a massive thing. I was really

1372
01:04:27,679 --> 01:04:30,880
surprised when they had that idea for him to run there,

1373
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,239
and he I think he had a lot of moments

1374
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:34,280
to really shine season two.

1375
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,079
Speaker 1: He did as well when he was leading the.

1376
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: Part of me the trial to defend punish her, and

1377
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,840
then here when he's standing up to I think Townley

1378
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:47,000
was his name, like the current DA when he's like

1379
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,360
getting all up in his face, just shit talk and

1380
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,280
pointing all this Fisk corruption to light.

1381
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, I.

1382
01:04:54,039 --> 01:04:56,639
Speaker 2: Am impressed with Foggy and I am intrigued on what

1383
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,000
usage they're gonna have for him in the new season,

1384
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:01,760
and mostly just kind of like how much we're going

1385
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:02,400
to get of him.

1386
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm curious about.

1387
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious too.

1388
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,199
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that they go through and we don't get

1389
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:09,400
a time jump and the firm doesn't happen, because I

1390
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:14,360
like the the Nelson Murdoch page idea that they had,

1391
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,800
so I'm hoping we go through with that.

1392
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a fun place to pick up where

1393
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:21,719
it's like we disbanded, we all hate each other, and

1394
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:22,599
that's where we are now.

1395
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: That's how the show's going to start. I hope not.

1396
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,119
Speaker 4: I just want to circle back.

1397
01:05:27,159 --> 01:05:30,199
Speaker 3: And we were talking about how you were really excited

1398
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:33,800
to see the Karen Page reveal. Oh I'm Daredevil kind

1399
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,880
of yeah, I'm asking thing, and I'm totally with you there.

1400
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,280
I really would have loved to see that, And so

1401
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:43,440
I checked and thought, Okay, since Defenders takes place before this,

1402
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:46,079
it doesn't seem like Defenders answers that question either.

1403
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 4: Defenders seems to be a close off and resolution resolving

1404
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,159
I guess not resolution resolving the Hand and Electra story

1405
01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:58,679
in this universe.

1406
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: And then it also that'smat up for being so depressed

1407
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:07,239
in the first couple episodes here mental States. So it

1408
01:06:07,239 --> 01:06:09,280
would have been nice because if I mean Defenders being

1409
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,159
in between them, at least give us a scene in

1410
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:13,360
there of Karen Page just like oh my God and

1411
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,920
freaking out and all that kind of stuff. But no,

1412
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:19,199
it's just cutting to the future and it's like, oh,

1413
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:19,800
he's just dead.

1414
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was also such a big thing

1415
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,639
for me too.

1416
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: Where this is also something in like Batman's Super anytime

1417
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,000
a hero has like a secret persona and then they

1418
01:06:32,039 --> 01:06:37,239
have like basically a three way relationship between themselves their

1419
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,599
alter ego, and then like a love interest, you know,

1420
01:06:39,679 --> 01:06:42,280
like like that's like a very comic booky thing to have,

1421
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,760
because it's very common, whether it's Superman, Badman, Spider Man

1422
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,599
has that sometimes. But like it's it's just so juicy

1423
01:06:49,639 --> 01:06:51,719
when you get to like the reveal of like this

1424
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,760
person who maybe sees this character as more of a

1425
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,199
friend versus like, of course you want to just be

1426
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,559
with a superhero because come on, he's he's got the

1427
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:03,119
fucking and just the testosterone under the mask, like just

1428
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:06,320
a many man under there, like like just just the possibilities,

1429
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,559
you know, are endless. But then so you have like

1430
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:11,159
maybe some some sentral thoughts about that character, and then

1431
01:07:11,199 --> 01:07:13,599
when you reveal that that character is this character you

1432
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:15,599
also maybe had some mixed feelings with.

1433
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:18,239
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a recipe for.

1434
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: An interesting interaction, and I just feel like we were

1435
01:07:20,519 --> 01:07:22,960
robbed of that, right, Like we just didn't really get

1436
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,360
and they don't even really like talk about a lot

1437
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,440
of that in the season. I know there's a sequence

1438
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:29,960
when they kind of talk a little bit about that,

1439
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:34,119
but it's mostly just I feel like there's big fish

1440
01:07:34,119 --> 01:07:35,840
to fry, So we just don't have time to really

1441
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,360
talk about things like that. And maybe if we don't

1442
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,559
have a whole Karen drug use flashback episode, maybe we

1443
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:44,480
can you know, squeeze in an episode where we have

1444
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:46,800
more of that. So that's definitely something I would have

1445
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,920
changed in hindsight, I'm not the one that makes the

1446
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:50,440
show so.

1447
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:56,599
Speaker 1: Well said, well said, Okay, do you want to talk

1448
01:07:56,679 --> 01:08:02,280
about Actually we already kind of talked about point Dexter. Yeah,

1449
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,599
they set up that he's getting some super surgery. I

1450
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:06,920
don't know.

1451
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,519
Speaker 2: They show the bulls eye and his pupil. I thought

1452
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:10,480
that was kind of a corny sequence. It's like, hey,

1453
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:12,599
if you don't know these bullseye now, like why the

1454
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:14,719
fund we have to show a bulls eye symbolism through

1455
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:16,560
the eyeball, but whatever.

1456
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, his spine was completely exposed, looking like Auto Octavius

1457
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,800
and Spider Man two on the all.

1458
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 4: The armspreading table.

1459
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1460
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I always just remember like

1461
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,760
the chainsaw that they used to like try and like

1462
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:30,880
cut the fucking.

1463
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah thing in that sequence shuts out to Spider

1464
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,039
Man two. Yeah, we talked about him.

1465
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:40,079
Speaker 2: We talked about uh, Agent adem A little bit.

1466
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:41,319
Speaker 1: What do you think about that guy? I?

1467
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about the inclusion of that character,

1468
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,000
the performance everything.

1469
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:48,600
Speaker 4: I really liked his.

1470
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,119
Speaker 3: His addition to the show, and I liked when we

1471
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,720
got to see his family. And I was apprehensive at first,

1472
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,159
of course, and I thought, Okay, him just being kind

1473
01:08:55,159 --> 01:08:56,880
of a jerk and an ass and not really believing

1474
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,079
our characters. That kind of sucks. But I like his

1475
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:02,239
his position and he was willing to just kind of

1476
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:04,319
be blinded by the fact that hey, I got my raise,

1477
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:07,880
I got this new gig with fisks on fist. Detail

1478
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,920
while he's being held up in this penthouse, we're going

1479
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,399
to get more information to basically put and take down

1480
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,119
more of these crime syndicates. I thought, Okay, he's got

1481
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:19,760
motivation and he wants more money and YadA, YadA. I

1482
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,039
thought at the end of the day he was maybe

1483
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:24,640
gonna just rob one of these crime families or something

1484
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,199
like that. But no, they just they took him down,

1485
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:32,279
at least I guess just the Albanians really, But yeah,

1486
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,560
I thought it cut me completely off guard at the

1487
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:39,840
end when he just killed himself by triggering a fight

1488
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,760
with decks, just trying to like go and pull a

1489
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,159
gun on him. But the information that he saved into

1490
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:49,159
that testimony on the cell phone for his wife, I

1491
01:09:49,319 --> 01:09:52,600
liked all that. I thought that was great. Yeah, just

1492
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,479
I feel really really sad for the character. He had

1493
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,239
a very rough go at it trying to make things

1494
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,520
work and ultimately paid for it with his life just

1495
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,119
to get Fisk off of his family's tail.

1496
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1497
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:10,199
Speaker 2: No, I went through a circle with this character where

1498
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,000
at the start, like I already stayed, I'm like, who

1499
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,560
the fuck is this guy? Why should I care about him?

1500
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,159
Why should care about his family's issues?

1501
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:16,239
Speaker 1: And like, and.

1502
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:18,399
Speaker 2: Then because they don't even show right away that he

1503
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,359
is like an FBI agent, so it's kind of fun

1504
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:22,640
in that sense, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?

1505
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: This the villain of.

1506
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,359
Speaker 2: The show, Like, like, what are they showing me here?

1507
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:27,520
And then FBI Okay, we get a little bit more

1508
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:29,560
revealed there he's gonna be the guy dealing with Fisk.

1509
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,319
So as soon as that happens, I'm just like, oh,

1510
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:35,439
this guy's this guy's doomed, like like he's getting close

1511
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:38,439
to Fisk. It's not gonna work out for him. I

1512
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,399
think initially too, I'm like this guy's not even a

1513
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:42,119
good actor. I don't I don't like the scenes that

1514
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,359
he's having in here, and then literally by the end

1515
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:46,720
of the show, I'm like, man, I wanted more scenes

1516
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:48,640
with him. I I feel like, I think he is

1517
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,760
a great actor. I really like the scenes that he

1518
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:56,960
had with his family with Fisk. I liked how he Yeah,

1519
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,920
he gets obviously put into a very difficult situation where

1520
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:02,239
someone's murdered right in front of him by his boss

1521
01:11:02,279 --> 01:11:04,319
with his gun, and like he's being framed right then

1522
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:04,600
and there.

1523
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: I think that he like showed great just shock in

1524
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,520
that moments, like performance wise.

1525
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, Like like in the start, I was really

1526
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:13,640
not a fan, but then by the end, I was

1527
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:16,840
honestly wanting more. I think I would have wished to

1528
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,239
get another scene with him and his wife, But maybe

1529
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:24,159
that's another just tragic point of the whole thing is

1530
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,479
like he never actually got another moment, you know, to

1531
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,800
say goodbye to his wife or his son. I thought

1532
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,199
just the whole setup of that was really really compelling

1533
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:34,119
for me, where like he's trying to keep these two

1534
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,560
lives like separate because he knows the dangers, but then

1535
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,880
also like he basically has to lie to his family

1536
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,720
so they don't think that he's gonna get shot every

1537
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,359
single time it goes to work, like, you know, because

1538
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:46,640
you don't want them to worry.

1539
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,520
Speaker 1: So I actually really really really.

1540
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:51,319
Speaker 2: Loved that whole dynamic by the end, even though I

1541
01:11:51,359 --> 01:11:54,079
was really not sold on it when he got shot

1542
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:56,119
at the end, Like I figured he was a goner

1543
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,359
for sure, but when he got shot the end, I

1544
01:11:58,399 --> 01:12:01,359
was just like, oh man, that's just so wrenching. And

1545
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,960
I liked how he kind of like he kind of

1546
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,119
just did his own plan right, like he went, he

1547
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,000
went against everyone's advice, went to the house, knew that

1548
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:12,680
he was kind of drawn attention. He looked right in

1549
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,319
the camera, looking like Travis Snell stopping by Taylor Field's

1550
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:17,439
house on on the.

1551
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: The CCTV there. But then.

1552
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 2: But then uh, yeah, he he films the testimony to

1553
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,439
his family, and of course we don't see the full video.

1554
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,600
And then I liked how the wife is the one

1555
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,800
that kind of, you know, told Foggy about it, and

1556
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:37,039
then that's what really leads to the like the big

1557
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:39,479
capture thing at the end. So I I really really

1558
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,319
appreciated that character by the end of it. And although

1559
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,520
I was really not a fan of of how it started. Yeah,

1560
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:46,880
I was.

1561
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:47,159
Speaker 1: I was.

1562
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: I was impressed by the end and feel for for

1563
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,479
the wife and the son, you know, like he's just

1564
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:55,359
he's a hero, and the whole force was just painting

1565
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,720
him as a corrupt cop right that.

1566
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,039
Speaker 3: I I was buying into it when they were uh

1567
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,680
dealing with the spin on the truth about what was

1568
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,000
going on, how he shot this other agent and he

1569
01:13:08,039 --> 01:13:10,119
was doing all this crazy shit. Then Yah, the mom

1570
01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:12,840
comes down to the station, his Nandi's wife and it's

1571
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,479
just saying I thought he was good, and they're like, yeah,

1572
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,439
he's a monster. Yeat. I'm thinking, fuck this poor guy.

1573
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting super tragic.

1574
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, But luckily she was in on it, so she's like, oh, no,

1575
01:13:23,159 --> 01:13:25,640
like they told me to come here, so I basically

1576
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,119
clear us off the boards so they wouldn't suspect.

1577
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was like, oh, what's his name, Matthew

1578
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,880
mcconnie's character and Interstellar behind the bookshelf, you know, and

1579
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:41,920
like the afterlife. No no, I guess he would have

1580
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,279
known though, as long as she sees the whole video,

1581
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:46,960
it's a it's a big gamble when that happens. But yeah,

1582
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:48,560
brutal way to go. At least it was a quick

1583
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,239
death by anything. You know, if you're going up against decks,

1584
01:13:51,239 --> 01:13:52,960
as long as you're not getting like a pencil to

1585
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:56,359
the fucking urethra or something, you know, you gotta you

1586
01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:58,479
gotta clean death if you're going against that guy.

1587
01:13:58,800 --> 01:13:59,279
Speaker 3: That's right.

1588
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about point next, were talking about Nademe.

1589
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:08,079
I like the stuff with the the agent.

1590
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 2: I already already kind of touched upon that with Foggy

1591
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:14,720
and him. I just I liked how they were kind

1592
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:16,399
of button heads, and then of course they kind of

1593
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:19,439
side with each other at the end and.

1594
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:25,319
Speaker 1: All that good stuff there. Yeah, else, we we got

1595
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,880
Vanessa in here. We already talked about.

1596
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I had something, but I can't see

1597
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,159
to my notes, I had something else that we hadn't talked.

1598
01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:36,079
Speaker 1: Do you have anything we haven't talked about yet?

1599
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:44,359
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think so. I'm just looking at

1600
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:48,199
the episode list here. I love the alliance that Daredevil

1601
01:14:48,279 --> 01:14:52,640
forms with uh Na Deem, and that ends with even

1602
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,359
like pulling his mask offs that Nadeem can see you're.

1603
01:14:55,279 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: Showing his face a lot and the slash everyone. Yeah,

1604
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:04,560
and like even like him wearing like the fucking panty

1605
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,680
hose over his head, like in daylight. It's just like, man,

1606
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,560
this is such an awful outfit. If it's not like

1607
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,760
Pitch Black, it's an awful outfit already, but in daylight already,

1608
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:16,319
especially like he's face to face with Nadine before he

1609
01:15:16,359 --> 01:15:19,000
even shows his like masks, and I'm like, how are

1610
01:15:19,079 --> 01:15:23,079
you not like Matt Murdock. You look exactly like him

1611
01:15:23,119 --> 01:15:25,840
and you have the same you know, like aftershave. Like

1612
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,920
it's just like so in your face where I get

1613
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:32,359
nighttime maybe in some action like you can't really discern,

1614
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,439
but I just I can help a laugh, Like anytime

1615
01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:37,880
it's like daytime they're face to face with each other,

1616
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,800
it's like didn't he just talk to Matt Murdoch like

1617
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:40,399
this morning?

1618
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: Like it's just but it's a superhero thing. It's it's

1619
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:44,199
it is.

1620
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:48,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there was a funny scene near the end

1621
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:50,880
here it's just it's a superhero thing again when they

1622
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,600
try to slink out in conversation and they're in fisks

1623
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:57,800
penthouse and fisks being arrested and you can see that

1624
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:02,039
there's obviously X and the Daredevil suit, and I think

1625
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:05,359
I'm paraphrasing, but the one officers like officers like, oh

1626
01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:10,199
we got uh got Daredevil. And then it wasn't the

1627
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:16,000
dem it was who was it? Oh, what's the name

1628
01:16:16,039 --> 01:16:19,600
of the the officer that was he was just a

1629
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:23,159
cop in the first season and like Buddy with Foggy, Yeah,

1630
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:24,760
but he's Foggy now he's a detective.

1631
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: He's I'll get his name. I can't remember what it

1632
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,000
is because he was in there, Sergeant.

1633
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,520
Speaker 3: Brett, thank you mahoney. So yeah, he's like, oh, we

1634
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,000
this isn't the real dared level and he turns like

1635
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:38,880
that's the real Daredevil and it's just Matt just walking

1636
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,000
into the room upstairs like yeah.

1637
01:16:42,319 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: It's like, ho, long do have to wait till he

1638
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:43,960
says my name?

1639
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,520
Speaker 3: It was so just so out of place, but it

1640
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:49,279
made me laugh.

1641
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 2: I also laughed at that moment too, because it's like, well,

1642
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,920
I guess that's how you prove that that's not the Daredevil,

1643
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,960
but like, like how else would you do it?

1644
01:16:57,039 --> 01:16:57,199
Speaker 1: Right?

1645
01:16:57,239 --> 01:16:59,399
Speaker 2: So it was kind of funny, and that dynamic actually

1646
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,319
throughout the sea and was fun where you have characters

1647
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:06,640
like Karen Foggy that no Matt was there and wasn't

1648
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,239
the narrat devil that killed them, But it's like, how

1649
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:10,279
do they explain to people that that wasn't the case

1650
01:17:10,319 --> 01:17:12,479
because he looks exactly like him, Like who else would

1651
01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:16,479
have these suits? So I did actually like that that

1652
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,159
game that they had to play, you know, like Karen

1653
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:20,279
got fired from her job because she was refusing to

1654
01:17:20,319 --> 01:17:25,560
reveal Matt's persona there, So yeah, I like that factor

1655
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:29,800
throughout the whole the whole season. There another thing that

1656
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,359
I kind of I don't know how you felt about it,

1657
01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:34,520
but there's many moments we kind of had, like a

1658
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,960
last Jedi where Kingpink just keeps appearing to Matt and

1659
01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,720
like just whispering sweet nothings into his ear, like shit,

1660
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:43,439
talking to him, you.

1661
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,359
Speaker 1: Know, like how do you feel that you're.

1662
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 2: I can't even paraphrase that's a little I remember those sequences,

1663
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,479
but he just kept appearing to him and basically just yeah,

1664
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,520
like just just getting into his ear, being the devil

1665
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:58,760
on his shoulder. He also speaks to his father, appears

1666
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,880
to him later on. I think he finds out about

1667
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,399
his mom.

1668
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 1: And for the most part, I feel like these were

1669
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:06,279
cheesy for me.

1670
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,119
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, for the most part, they didn't

1671
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:12,039
bother me, but for the most part, especially the Kingpin ones,

1672
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,000
I feel like also I was just at my lowest

1673
01:18:14,039 --> 01:18:17,359
point with Kingpin up until like at this point of

1674
01:18:17,399 --> 01:18:17,840
the show.

1675
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: So when he's.

1676
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,199
Speaker 2: Appearing and all things are going your way, are they Murdock,

1677
01:18:22,359 --> 01:18:24,479
and like, oh, you're gonna have to kill me? Like,

1678
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,920
I just I think it was it was too much.

1679
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,560
It was too much a Matt on his own and

1680
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,840
like internal voices speaking to him at this season and

1681
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,840
just a lot of that. So overall I was disappointed. Yeah,

1682
01:18:36,079 --> 01:18:39,720
well said cool yoh Man. Well if we have nothing

1683
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:44,640
else to say on this season, on the show in general,

1684
01:18:46,399 --> 01:18:49,439
final thoughts on the season, and just kind of the

1685
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,119
show overall. Obviously we were already rated the first two seasons,

1686
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:55,119
but yeah, just how do you feel twenty twenty five

1687
01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:57,520
and you you you finally watched Daredevil.

1688
01:18:57,319 --> 01:18:59,399
Speaker 3: Finally watched it? Yea, this has been yeah with you,

1689
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:01,359
this has been a long time and the works, you know,

1690
01:19:01,399 --> 01:19:03,359
I feel like we've been we throw it out there,

1691
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:05,760
started as a meme and it just finally became reality

1692
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,000
and it feels good to wrap it up. This is

1693
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:13,399
this is one thing that always just I wanted to

1694
01:19:13,399 --> 01:19:15,199
fill in the gaps more because whatever, since we got

1695
01:19:15,279 --> 01:19:17,079
Daredevil that popped up in She Hulk and then popped

1696
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:19,039
up and Echo and now Daredevil that's popped.

1697
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 4: Up in uh, spider Man, a friend.

1698
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,039
Speaker 3: Of the name with Spider Man on Disney Plaster's just

1699
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:26,520
this character popping up everywhere, and so it's nice to

1700
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,720
just go back to square one and see why people

1701
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,319
fell in love with this character and why they fell

1702
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:32,920
in love with like Charlie's version of Daredevil.

1703
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,319
Speaker 4: So after going through.

1704
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 3: Seasons one to three, I'm I'm very happy with it.

1705
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:40,560
It's it was a good time, a very good experience,

1706
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,840
and it just makes me really like this character a

1707
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,000
lot more and his his charisma and his uh yeah,

1708
01:19:48,119 --> 01:19:51,039
just the way he conducts business and goes about things.

1709
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:54,399
I dig it. So it'll be very cool to see,

1710
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,319
like I already said before, how far.

1711
01:19:57,239 --> 01:20:02,640
Speaker 4: They go with this and into bar and again, uh yeah.

1712
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:05,520
Speaker 3: What was my rank? I think season one was number one,

1713
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,680
and I think season two and three three is just

1714
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,039
the downside of dealing with the whole Woe is Me

1715
01:20:12,039 --> 01:20:15,239
mentality for the first half of the season, which I

1716
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:16,520
just was not not.

1717
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:17,319
Speaker 4: Driving well with.

1718
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 3: But I really liked a lot of things like Bullseye

1719
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:24,079
impersonating and impersonating Daredevil. That was fantastic, and the season

1720
01:20:24,119 --> 01:20:28,520
really liked it. He was scary. I didn't like Kingpin's

1721
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,079
power situation, but I liked how things kind of like

1722
01:20:31,119 --> 01:20:33,000
cleared up near the end and you kind of understand

1723
01:20:33,039 --> 01:20:35,560
where he's pulling all this power from and how he's

1724
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,479
doing it. But you get pissed at him too, because

1725
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,399
you'll have a scene where hey, we finally got into

1726
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:42,279
Dean Testified and everything like that, and they leave the

1727
01:20:42,359 --> 01:20:45,640
room and this one jury is like oh six.

1728
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 4: Two four Woods Road, and they're.

1729
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,640
Speaker 3: Like, oh, that's my ayddress, And it's like, fuck, how

1730
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,960
did Fisk pull this off so fucking quick? That's the

1731
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:54,880
stuff that bothers me.

1732
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:59,279
Speaker 1: But I think god Mode he knows he does.

1733
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah cool, Yeah, I mean, I'm really glad that we

1734
01:21:05,279 --> 01:21:07,000
went through this. This was, as you already stated, a

1735
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:08,880
long time coming and started as a meme. I feel

1736
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,039
like we first talked about this in like, yeah, forty

1737
01:21:11,039 --> 01:21:13,399
percent chance, I actually watched the show. That's not really happening,

1738
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,600
but here we are. We watched one hundred percent chance.

1739
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,560
Although I have like obviously issues with the way that

1740
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,159
the show ended. I think overall, Charlie Cox casting as

1741
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:26,239
Daredel has been fantastic. Obviously, we've seen him in Uh

1742
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,479
Spider Man, No Way Home as well being a little

1743
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,520
lawyer in there, so we've already seen him appear in

1744
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,439
the MCU echo as well. I'm really just I think

1745
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,319
because I'm mixed on the show in general. Well that's

1746
01:21:40,319 --> 01:21:43,239
not even true. I am positive for the show in

1747
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:46,880
general and the performances. I am very much looking forward

1748
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,720
to picking up this character and seeing what the MCU

1749
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,439
does with it now with Born Again, because there is

1750
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,520
some really great glimpses here. I don't want to start

1751
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,359
Born Again with him, you know, having a crisis on

1752
01:21:56,880 --> 01:21:59,920
just finding God and like what he's doing right, I never.

1753
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 1: Want to have that.

1754
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:05,359
Speaker 2: I never want to have that inner turmoil between Daredevil Again.

1755
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:07,640
I'm sure it will happen, because that's a big part

1756
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,239
of the character I'm now finding out, but I am

1757
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:12,119
just so annoyed by it. And if it does happen,

1758
01:22:12,119 --> 01:22:14,520
hopefully it's it's short and sweet. But uh yeah, no,

1759
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,479
I I'm really glad we made it through here. We

1760
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:18,760
never talked about it. Are we gonna do like a

1761
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,920
rankings for this retro. I did definitely did not prepare anything. Obviously,

1762
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,479
we could rank the seasons here, but like characters villains,

1763
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,520
obviously there's not many villains, but.

1764
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 3: I could see us doing that after we finished Born Again. Okay, Yeah,

1765
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,000
sounds good, unless just because I'm feeling there's gonna be

1766
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:41,640
like new characters introduced to maybe some new villains in there,

1767
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:44,439
so we're gonna incorporate them, and or I feel like

1768
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,640
we could yea incorporate like all of it together. Unless

1769
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,880
I mean we think like all this exclusively a season

1770
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:50,640
one to three kind of it.

1771
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 1: We'll talk, we'll talk.

1772
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, may or may not appear on the on the feeds,

1773
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,840
but uh nonetheless, Yeah, know, I I would put this

1774
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,000
season at the bottom from for me, elf, I think

1775
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:05,239
season one and season two are close. Season two just

1776
01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:09,039
had some like big heavy hitters, obviously with Electra and Punisher,

1777
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:12,159
Like it's tough to really ignore those big inclusion factors.

1778
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:14,520
Speaker 3: What's his name the mentor?

1779
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 4: Is it Gip or stick Stick?

1780
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's Pip the trol Man. No stick rest in

1781
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,279
He died right, I don't remember him. I think he died.

1782
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 2: They talked about the season that he perished, so I

1783
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,319
don't remember that. If you're going through these retros right now,

1784
01:23:38,359 --> 01:23:40,279
going from season one to season two, season three, obviously

1785
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,680
there's some space in between the recordings, so that will

1786
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,760
explain our goldfish brains and why we don't remember what

1787
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:47,920
happened there. But yeah, I know, really really fun time

1788
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:48,760
going through here.

1789
01:23:50,079 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 1: I think if I had to put a number rating

1790
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:58,600
on this season on its own, it's tough for me.

1791
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,159
Speaker 2: I think I would give it a six. I think

1792
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:04,800
I would give it a six. It's a pass pretty low,

1793
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,319
definitely pretty low for how I thought it was going

1794
01:24:07,399 --> 01:24:10,680
to be coming into it. I just I was unsatisfied

1795
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,560
with Kingpin, ended up being somewhat satisfied with our new

1796
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,880
characters we got introduced to in the season, But yeah,

1797
01:24:18,039 --> 01:24:20,960
I just felt like it wasn't the big firework finale

1798
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,279
that I was hoping for and hopefully Born Again. I'm

1799
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:27,000
glad that we have Born Again because if this actually

1800
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:29,600
would have been the last season of Daredevil overall, I

1801
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,239
would have looked really sour like in retro. I think

1802
01:24:33,239 --> 01:24:35,880
if I would have seen this show many years ago

1803
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:39,479
and then just not know that Born Again was coming out,

1804
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:39,840
and like.

1805
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: You asked me, twenty twenty five, How was Daredevil?

1806
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,359
Speaker 2: I think I would have been soured just with how

1807
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,960
it ended, and maybe it would have changed my recommendation factor.

1808
01:24:46,279 --> 01:24:48,319
But who knows. It's tough to say that because that's

1809
01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:50,560
not the world that we live in. But yeah, no,

1810
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,600
I think that's what I would rate it there. And

1811
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,880
I'm very curious on what other people are gonna think

1812
01:24:55,880 --> 01:25:00,520
about my thoughts because I thought that this show was

1813
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,680
just like a stellar ten out of ten across the board.

1814
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,479
But I also never listened to our old Daredevil reviews

1815
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,960
that I believe Travis and Dylan dropped all those years ago,

1816
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:12,560
probably live in person im measure, it would have been

1817
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:13,079
that era.

1818
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:17,079
Speaker 1: Of Dealer been yeah, crazy, crazy to thing. Did you

1819
01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:19,239
put a number on this one?

1820
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,039
Speaker 4: I did not, yet I'd probably go with seven out

1821
01:25:22,039 --> 01:25:22,359
of ten.

1822
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember what I gave the season two

1823
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,079
in terms of numbering, But yeah, just like I said already,

1824
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:31,159
first part of this season was just not driving with

1825
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:33,000
it fair enough?

1826
01:25:33,039 --> 01:25:33,319
Speaker 1: All right?

1827
01:25:33,399 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 2: Leads gentlemen to that closes this chapter on the Netflix,

1828
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:38,960
I don't even know if it's called anymore because it's

1829
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,279
on Disney Plus, like it's not on Netflix, anymore.

1830
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:42,319
Speaker 1: But originallyd Netflix.

1831
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 2: We got Daredevil season one to three retro closed in

1832
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,720
the books. We'll be back for Darreed Devil Born Again

1833
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,199
a couple of weeks. Thank you for joining me, Taylor.

1834
01:25:51,239 --> 01:25:53,800
This was lots of fun. I always appreciate you and me.

1835
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:56,279
You know, we always have names. We have nicknames now,

1836
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:58,640
especially if you're tuning in the weekly Geeks. Do you

1837
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,600
remember what ours is because we've got the pablos with you,

1838
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:02,439
me and Dylan.

1839
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah we are. You're checking the calendar right now so

1840
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:07,960
you don't remember.

1841
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 3: The two thousands, which I don't know why we're the

1842
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:11,199
two thousands.

1843
01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh, partly because we love like the resident evil underworld.

1844
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 2: You know, yes, should have just been the Becon Sale boys.

1845
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:19,600
That's what should have.

1846
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,279
Speaker 4: Been the Becan Sale Boys.

1847
01:26:21,319 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: I like it.

1848
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1849
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 2: So we will be back joining the other lads for

1850
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,279
Born Again, and uh, keep your on the feeds and

1851
01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:30,119
we'll be we'll be popping up.

1852
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,159
Speaker 1: Bye bye, bye bye