Speaker 1: I'm gonna being hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to another.
Speaker 2: Geek verse, well, the final actually in this three part series,
we're doing a Daredevil Daredevil retrospective and not Born Again.
We're getting ready for Born Again. But before we get
into all of that, I am one of your hosts.
I am at the end Kirkland, Patzer, I am the Fisks, Pockett,
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thoughts on the closing chapter of You know this this
portion of the Daredevil show, if you've been living under
a rock, you might not know that. You know, he's back.
Charlie Cox is back. Wilson Fisk is maybe back. Uh
uh so, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: We're we're closing out this retrospective series here.
Speaker 2: Make sure to go check out episode one and episode
two of course, if you haven't already, but I'm sure
you are. If you're here at this point, who knows,
maybe you're just jumping into season three. You just want
to hear our thoughts about season three, But appreciate you
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Speaker 3: I gotta put my votes in. I definitely.
Speaker 4: I'm always I'm always a slow person to do that.
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gist of the plugs there. So we are here at
the end of the the Netflix Marvel Daredevil experience. Here,
it's a bittersweet for you, Taylor, I know, like we
don't really have it's a much different experience for us versus, like,
you know, people that would have seen the show right
when it came out, because they would have been unsure
if they're ever gonna see this again. Of course, in
this timeline, we have Disney carrying on the Charlie Cox
Daredevil with Daredevil Born Again. Have you seen the trailer
for Born Again yet?
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was.
Speaker 3: I don't know which one I've seen, but I did
watch one a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: You saw him sitting down with someone I did. Yeah, okay, yeah,
that was what I was trying to stay away because
of course people don't know what we're talking about. The
trailer showed mister Fisk, you know, talking to mister Murdoch,
and it sounds like he seemed like he knew about
his his alter ego. So I saw that trailer before
I saw this season, which, of course, you know minor spoilers.
I guess season three that's kind of when that reveal happens.
So I got a little bit spoiled of that before
I even jumped into this season. But no, I'm I'm
really looking forward to the new show there. But yeah,
it's kind of a weird feeling to get getting through
this show here, and I know we're seeing a lot
of like like we have some familiar faces coming into
the next show there, but still it's it's not going
to be a complete continuation from what this show is.
It's it's it's definitely jumping off from what they said
off here, but it's not like season four of this show,
you know, like they're completely retitled it.
Speaker 1: So it is going to be something. Are you excited
for that new show? You know now that we're we're
in the Daredevil mood? Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you getting excited to be Born Again under the
Disney persona?
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 4: I very much am.
Speaker 3: The show Season three coming to a close, it is
is a bittersweet. It is sad, but man, it feels
good to be just going through it now and knowing
that this next season, this new era, two weeks away
from when we're recording this. So that's absolutely perfect in
my books. Just it's gonna feel like there's no time
passing it all between season three and Born Again. So
I'm totally down with that, and I'm excited just to
see what these characters are up to in this new
season and to see where we're kind of spirit, And
because I have certain questions after watching the third season
and how that third season concluded, I was asking Travis actually, like, hey,
why what.
Speaker 4: Was the plan?
Speaker 3: Were they gonna be going into another four season or
something like that, and I think he put it like,
there's something with the rights. Netflix just didn't want to
renew it. They kind of canceled all the shows and whatnot.
I think didn't want to keep running this character for Disney, Marvel, whatever,
I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but something to do with rights,
as it always is. So I feel like.
Speaker 4: At the time it must have really.
Speaker 3: Sucked because some of the things in the season ended
very abruptly in that finale, and to know that you're
not going to get any kind of continuation from.
Speaker 4: That does really suck.
Speaker 3: So it's gonna be nice to have a little bit
more of story expansion with Born Again and a little
bit more flushed out and ess with these characters. So
I'm very much excited to get into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, yeah, No. I'm also excited for
the new show. I'm glad we don't have to wait
much for that. But just jumping into kind of my
overall thoughts of this season here kind of conflicted on
this where I'm not gonna lie straight out of the gate.
I think I'm just gonna come out hot and heavy
and say that this is definitely the worst season out
of the three for me, like like with a solid point.
I you know, we'll see how you feel on there.
Maybe might get flak from you know, in the comments
or maybe other people have seen the show. But yeah, man,
I was pretty disappointed with the season across the board.
I think there's some really juicy stuff that happens in here,
but for the most part, it just felt like, unfortunately,
like a slog to get through. Like I feel like,
definitely the first half of the season, it felt like
it took so long to just get to where we
were going, and it's just kind of the whole setup
of picking up the pieces from last season. Matt's on
the mend and kind of separated from a lot of
our other friends for a good portion of the show
until like literally that halfway mark. So yeah, it was
just not really a good time getting into the season.
And not to sound too you know, all negative, I
still think there is some really great moments in here
that I did appreciate. I think there were some things
that were set up at the start of the season
that it was just really uninterested in, and then by
the end, I was a little bit more satisfied with it,
But just looking back on it, once I got to
that point, I was just, yeah, maybe wishing that they
focused in some other avenues there. And yeah, it definitely
doesn't kill my hype or anything going into the new
show Born Again or anything like that, but it's just
for how crazy season one was, or like how season
one ended, and then going into season to season two
was just like a banger. I feel like, from starting
to finish, ended in a really intense way, and then
it just felt like this one took a really long
time to get going. And then yeah, I just wasn't
too keen on some of the focuses of maybe some
other characters that were introduced at the start of the season,
and I just didn't really love them there. And we
got a lot of fisk this season. Man, we'll have
to fully discuss fisk, because I don't know how you feel, fully,
but I think I got a glimpse of a certain
a certain I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, maybe I don't even know. I don't even know
what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 2: I feel like I got some vibes from you that
maybe you're not a full on, one hundred percent fan
of Kingpin. But maybe I'm reading into that too much,
but yeah, I know I was. I was definitely mixed
throughout this whole season because I would be really not
loving it, and then all of a sudden, I'm my,
holy fuck, this show is just peak. This is so good,
But then another episode would happen and then just would
really kill the momentum. And I really did kind of
binge this season, Like I think I did episode one
to six maybe over like a couple sittings, and then
from like eight to the end was like in one sitting.
So it was like one big movie for me for
that second back half.
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: That's why I feel like the early portions really slogged on.
But even just like while I was in the individual episodes,
it yeah, it just felt like it was just a
really long, long slog to get through. So yeah, a
little bit unfortunate way to end this show. And as
you kind of already hinted at, like it does end
in like a hinting towards another season sort of way.
So I think coming into this knowing that it was
only three seasons, I actually thought it was going to
be like a closed book, like by the end, like
it would have been a satisfying ending. But yeah, for
what we got it it it kind of makes sense
because like I'm assuming they would want to keep, you know,
setting things up for the future in case it does
get renewed and they have something to build upon. But yeah,
it's just not exactly what I was hoping for or
and uh, not what I was expecting. But yeah, that's
kind of my overall unfortunately negative thoughts. I think, like
individual performances are great across the board, it's just yeah,
just just the focus with the story of where we were,
where we were putting our focuses on. And yeah, I
think the one thing I'll say on Kingpin is I
think I like this version less than other Kingpins that
I've seen in the past, and.
Speaker 1: I'll leave it there. Uh, well, said cool Nito Burrito.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything else to say on the in
the season before we jump into spoilers.
Speaker 3: I found the first start of it to be a
bit of a slog.
Speaker 4: It's not gravy for me great a bit.
Speaker 3: So I will say though that getting to getting through
the middle into the back half was really much more enjoyable.
I think there's some characters in here that I really liked,
some new characters and some obviously familiar characters that they
really really did a good job with their narratives and
their development. So that was super, super awesome. But there
are certain things, and you're not alone on season three
being kind of like hated amongst all of the seasons.
I think a lot of people sympathize with you on that.
But I just had certain problems with Kingpin and just
the amount of power that this man just amassed in
this situation. I thought that he played this isn't a spoiler.
He played his cards right, and I can appreciate how
tactical he was and doing these different moves on a chessboard.
But at the end of the day, when it got
to like that back half and it's just like it
doesn't even matter anymore. This man's just all power, I
was like, I'm not buying it. This is really pulling
me out a little bit because it's just it's it
feels like plot armor with the amount of just power
this guy has that he's keepable doing and we're not
getting proper explanations for it, and the explanations we do
get just don't seem as justified or realistic. It just
seems a little mumbo jumbo. But I will say at
the end, when he was exercising this power in the
last couple episodes, I liked it, but only because I
think we got to finally see, hey, what's going on?
And again this isn't a spoiler, but says he's in prison,
doesn't have anything, and then all of a sudden, next
scene he's got all this art, all this stuff, his suits,
everything like that. It's like, what the fuck? How does
this happen? So that period really pulls me out, and
I don't like that kind of storytelling. But then when
we get to the very back end of it and
we've seen a bunch more development and more reveals of
characters and stuff, then it's like, Okay, now I totally
understand how this has happened, how he's got these things
and so forth. And then we get to the end,
so I'm excited to break it down more and I
think that this is definitely where I would rank it.
That's tricky, I like that first season a lot, and
I like that second season too, but I think I
would I feel like I could put ah, I'd want
to put this over the second season because I think
I enjoyed this one a lot more. But I can't
because I just didn't like the first half of It's
not I don't want to say it's a spoiler, but
just a lot of mopeness. I don't like the mopiness
and like, yeah, self deteriorating aspects. I think it was
just too much of it in the season. But yeah,
And also a question for you, this season starter occurs
after a big part of the Defenders. Did you watch
any Defenders to see how this season starts?
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't watch any Defenders. So maybe
that's a little, uh, little asterisk I should throw on
my review here. I knew there was some cross over there.
There's a couple of characters that are kind of mentioned
very like minorly like it. I didn't really get the
vibe from watching the season that I really missed out
on a lot of Defender stuff. And maybe I'm completely
wrong with that, but maybe that also leans in on
why I really wasn't a fan of the start of
the season, so maybe because have you seen Defenders?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I was gonna say, maybe you can help
me out and fill in the gaps there.
Speaker 3: But well I can. I did read into it. If
you want, okay information.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's take an ad break here and then
we'll we'll open up this Canisardians here, which is Daredevil
season three. So yeah, well we'll be right back, all right,
Taylor filling the gaps for me? What did I miss
out on Defenders coming into season three?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 3: So when Matt's waken up in that first episode of
Daredevil season three, that is post the destruction of Midland Circle,
it's a successful operation and acted by the Defenders alongside
Colleen Wing, Misty Knight, Claire Temple. Danny Rand was basically
the guy that needed to be rescued.
Speaker 1: Is that iron Fist?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So he was captured by the Hand and
they the Defenders went in there to go and rescue him.
So they were also preventing the harvesting of the resurrection.
Alexir was the big talk of the town in season
two of Daredevil, right when the Hand was trying to
do the whole like zombie thing going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, basically their operation.
Speaker 3: The buildings started to fallo Dared Devil stayed behind to
appeal with Electra, but the Defenders were convinced that Daredevil
was dead, and so although he survived, we see him
at the end of that.
Speaker 1: So Electra's back in Defenders.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, that's so funny because I was so confused
on why we didn't pick up on any of that
stuff that was ended like with season two. Like and
also like I feel like the way that season two ends,
like it's kind of similar, you know to like like
how we're picking up here where like, Okay, he lost Electra,
he got all fucked up, a building fell on him.
I'm like, I know that didn't exactly happen season two,
but like I know we got fucked up. I know
we lost Electra, so like it also kind of fits there,
even though it was a little bit confusing, So that
does make a lot of sense. I I just thought
it was a long like it had been a long
time when I ended season two.
Speaker 1: Just going into season.
Speaker 2: Three, I'm like, oh man, I kind of misremember the
finale here, So okay, that that makes a little bit
more sense. That definitely doesn't like change my overall thoughts
of how I was feeling, like retrospectively on yeah, just
just what was shown at the start there. I think also,
maybe this is just because I haven't seen Defenders, but
I also feel like they could have just done a
better job like explaining the start there, because yeah, I
don't know, maybe maybe I'm just I'm just bitter there,
but filming, well.
Speaker 3: All we can do is just assume, Oh, he had
a real bad fight and yeah, which happened, and cab
driver found him right, which just happened, Like.
Speaker 2: The amount of times we've seen this guy like beaten
to death almost you know, bloody and spew and blood everywhere,
Like it just seems like it's a normal, normal every
day for him.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean we can go episode by episode.
I feel like the big thing for me in this season,
especially now that we've finished the show, Like, you know,
I've experienced all of the Vincent Donofrio Kingpin performances up
until this moment. I don't know if he's in Defenders,
but it doesn't matter. I got the the Hawkeye version,
I got the Echo version, I got the the Daredel version,
and yeah, I must say I'm a little bit let
down by this version of the character. And the reason
for that is, I feel like my favorite type of
Kingpin is so take the look out of it, but
like the Kingpin that's shown in like the Spider Verse
movies where he's like he really is like that imposing,
like bad guy. He talks like a like just a yeah,
just just like a New York crime boss. Like that's
like really how he feels. And maybe that's just very
generic and stereotypical and maybe a lot of people think
that's boring for that reason. But this version, man, I
really liked what was said up in season one. But
he's just such a bitch to me when it comes
to his whole fucking obsession with Vanessa, and like especially
going through Hawkeye, And when we were watching Hawkeye, I
hadn't really seen this, so like when he's like obsessing
over eleanor it's eleanor right, that's her name, Vanessa, no
the other because wasn't he like in love with Kate's
mom or something Kate Bishop's mom in Hawkeye?
Speaker 1: Or am I totally misremembering?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll through a Google when you're going I'm confused
because Vanessa.
Speaker 1: Is not in that show.
Speaker 3: Right, No, no, yeah, because yeah, you're right, it is
eleanor Yeah, that was just an employee.
Speaker 1: I didn't Okay, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Just in my Okay, there you go. Maybe I have
some revisionist history here, so I apologize. But anyways, we're
just talking about Vanessa right now. I am just so
fucking annoyed of his obsession with Vanessa. This guy is
like the biggest crime boss ever. He's so you know,
he's so imposing. Everybody's scared of him, but like he's
literally gonna throw the whole fucking empire way just for Vanessa.
And just he's just such a just such a coward
when it comes to Vanessa. And like later on when
you have like Vanessa pulling the strings, it just seems
like he has like no power, like yes, this Vanessa,
whatever you want to whatever you want to do. I
don't know, man, I'm so annoyed by just his obsession
with that. How do you feel on Kingpin here? You
are you intimidated by him? Do you think he's a
s t your villain like he's claiming to be.
Speaker 3: I like that. She was very much like I want
to be a part of your world. So don't hide
it from me, and he opens up and shares that
world with her. But it's just kind of weird that
she was just an art a third party art seller
or something like that, and all of a sudden, now
she's like, yeah, we need to kill in the deem,
Like what do you do? Like he is he a
threat to us? Is he a danger? Then let's kill him.
It's like god damn, Like, are we supposed to be
more scared of you than Fisk?
Speaker 4: It just caught me off.
Speaker 3: Guard, And yeah, you're right his obsession with her. I
understand that he loves her and cares about her so
very much, but it's just it does get a little
bit ah, like oh Jesus, like calm down, my guy,
holy shit. And I thought for sure, and we can
talk more about it later. But when her first reappearance appeared,
it just made me laugh because I thought, oh, he's
they just felt like friends, and I felt like, oh,
she's totally just gonna break up with him and we'll.
Speaker 4: Talk more about that later.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I'm coming off like hot off the finale here.
Just I experienced a whole season of Kingpin and I
just have him like so high in my mind as
like a phenomenal Marvel villain just his various appearances and
something like Spider Man, like he is a massive villain.
But just I feel like I just set him up
so high, and like the season one performance is phenomenal,
Like I think he's great here, but I just think
this season was a lot of him just whining of like.
Speaker 5: You're supposed to protect Vanessa. Where's Vanessa? Get Vanessa here?
What get this art from Vanessa? Well, Vanessa got me
this art. It's so important to me. Like I'm just
so fucking annoyed by this, like so much. It was
really really annoying to get through. And the fact that
this is like our main main villain throughout this whole
pretty much the whole show, but like specifically this season. Yeah, no,
I was just I was pretty pretty disappointing here. So
I'm curious how I'm gonna feel going into Born Again
on Kingpinn. And yeah, I'm curious if I'm like a
big minority in that sense, because I know he is
like a massive, you know, massive character, well regarded and
also a lot of people love the performance, and I
think the performance of him is really good, like when
he is maybe maybe in the sequence when Karen is
like revealing that she's the one that killed Wesley, and
like he's really showing that anger that he's like trying
to hide because he's always trying to be that like
businessman who like talks really eloquently and is just clean
and like not like a dirty villain, you know, Like
he always shows that. So I think the moments that
Vincent Donofrio is really good at is like showing that
he's trying to hold it back even though it's slipping through.
So like, yeah, I don't want to judge individualerformances, but
just like the writing around the Vanessa Obsessor, like that's
what his name should be.
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be Kingpin.
Speaker 2: It's just the fucking pussy whipped uh pussy whipped Kingpin here,
like she must have the magical vajaj.
Speaker 3: The scenes where he's experiencing he's emotionally compromised, I feel
like it just is an example of an adolescent that
just can't control those emotions, which he had a fucked
up childhood, So I'll give him that. Maybe that's exactly
what he's going for. But when he's just being told
the information does want to hear it. I just feel
like he's just like rocking back and forth, like.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, just he.
Speaker 3: Just feels very childish. And I guess that's just them
trying to give him that emotional compromise, because even Vanessa
later on is like be angry later, be smart now,
like let's go, let's go, and and I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think if that was a dynamic that
was more in the show, like I would have been
more interested in that. It's just she's not really in
it until the finale, right, Like she's just she's in Spain,
she's elsewhere, and like Kingpin's just stressed the whole time
that he doesn't know where she is, and like she
needs to be she's be blah blah blah, she's be safe,
she needs to be, Yeah, just somewhere that I could
protect her.
Speaker 1: Whereas, like you.
Speaker 2: Just pointed out, like even in season one, like we
see glimpses of her being kind of sketchy, right, Like
she finds out a little bit more about what's going
on with him, and she doesn't seem to be scared
or anything, and like seems to enjoy the power there.
So yeah, she's definitely got some skeletons buried in her closet.
Speaker 3: I would imagine she buried herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably, and like that would be an interesting pathway
to go down, you know, this season. And I just
feel like we spent a lot of time with like
Agent Nadin's family and shit like that where I'm like, Okay,
by the end of the season, like it is a
satisfying arc for that character in the sense of, like
we see him go through.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm all over the place right here.
Speaker 2: I'll try and get us, you know, back on order,
but I just just my wild thoughts here of just
like setting up the whole thing of him, like we
need this promotion because his family has like money problems,
and I think by the end like it it's it's
a pretty good arc for that character of just the
whole cycle that he went through of like thinking that
he's one up in Kingpin and then really the reality
of it, like he just he literally gets murdered for it,
and uh yeah, just all these bad things. Like I
think I would have liked to take some of that
stuff out to maybe focus on some bigger things, some
bigger fish. But anyway, since I'm all over the place.
Let's reel it back to the start of the show here.
So so, yeah, the Kingpin stuff throughout the whole season
was the biggest fan of it by any means. But
the other thing that just really i'm not gonna say,
I'm not gonna say, annoyed me, but it just it
made it slow to get into is the whole start
of the season being like Matt's resurrection and you know,
like his friends Foggy and Karen don't know where he is.
They're assuming he's dead, but just like he's really like
conflicted with his own like his own path and religion
and like what like just his uh yeah, just having
a crisis of faith here right, like like like he's
really just questioning everything he's saying that he's putting Matt,
like the whole Matt persona lifestyle like on hold, but
like also thinking about like just not even being Daredevil.
And then it's just a lot of like the fallen hero.
And then like basically Batman, uh what's it called Dark
Knight rises when he's like in the cave, like same
sort of idea. He's just broken and then he's like
trying to rise up, and I think there's nothing really
wrong with like those types of storylines, but I was
just so like, Okay, he's clearly not going to be
at this church the whole fucking season. Like it maybe
maybe one episode and then he'll be out maybe two.
It is so long man for the time that he
like is actually out of there, and like it just
seems like he keeps like quoting the Bible and just
keeps like just questioning the like the nun and then
the Father figure and everything, and like I just think
that all of that been done in like an episode
maybe two, and I feel like they stretched it out too,
probably hyperbolyzing, but it feels like eight episodes is just
like him really struggling with that, and that's a thing
that he's kind of dealing with the whole show, even
like season one, season two, not so much of a
hard focus.
Speaker 1: On it, but he's always mentioning that.
Speaker 2: But in this season, it was like this is the
religious season. This is like this is where he's gonna
be questioning everything, And it just was so boring for me,
Like having these like long drawn out conversations with the
father on it just seemed like I knew what was
gonna happen, and I was just baffled that it took
way longer than it should have. And maybe I'm alone there,
but what do you think?
Speaker 3: No, I think it took way too long. I was
not happy or impressed with just this whole sequence of
him just poudy and beating himself up or whatnot, like
he Yeah, this is where I feel like, Okay, where
we left off in season two. I felt like he
was very fulfilled and he was very much his own person,
and then all of a sudden, here he is. He
has a building collapse, and he's just down and out
and pissed off and sad and er. And maybe that's
why we need to see Defenders, because maybe Defenders will
have a lot more development into why he's starting to
progress as a character and why he's not feeling like himself.
But he gets he survives, and he doesn't reach out
to his friends. He doesn't reach out to his Defender's
crew that he became friends with, So it's just it's
just a little peculiar. I mean, he could have called
them on to help as well and dealing and fighting
Fisk at the end here, but no, he didn't do
any of that. He just wanted to be alone and
I like that, you know, his faith was kind of
helping him. And he had this introduction of this new
nun character. I can't remember what her name was, but
she was trying to help him and whatnot. There's a
little bit more to that relationship, which we'll talk about later.
But yeah, it's just I thought that going beyond that
first episode, and I dare I say, what was it,
it was probably like five four episodes at least, that
he was just still in there, and as he was
getting better because he had his hearing problem again, he
was just going out and just letting people kick the
shit out of him, and he wanted to have like oh,
just you have father bring down this boxer into the
church basement and it just kicks the shit out of him,
like it's just some weird stuff. And then you got
Karen Page that's still paying his rent and he's pretending
to be dead. It's like, this is just an unhealthy
balance on a healthy life right now.
Speaker 1: Sister Maggie that was her name, Sister Maggie, that's right.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, so yeah, that that whole character, Yeah,
it I mean I already said it took a really
long time to get through that. But yeah, just I
think it's it's just a pairing of the amount of
time it took for him to get through that to
find his faith again, and then just like his.
Speaker 1: Powers are weaken, he's getting his ass kicked.
Speaker 2: Like it just it felt like we were at like
an origin point again for the character of like this
is the early stage of him fighting and kicking ass.
And another thing too that like I don't know, I'm
gonna try not to be super negative throughout the whole episode,
but I'm definitely just.
Speaker 1: Getting it out of be right now. I had issues
with Kingpin here.
Speaker 2: I feel like I also just got annoyed by Matt
and Daredevil here of just being like so like this
is right or wrong, Like like what I'm doing is
isn't right anymore? And again just the whole crisis of
faith here, Like it just seems like I was annoyed
by by him as well, because it just seemed like
something that we've kind of already gone through throughout the
first two seasons of like.
Speaker 1: What's the line of right or wrong?
Speaker 2: And like this season they really push him to the
edge of like he potentially wants to kill Kingpin now,
which is obviously further than he ever wanted to go before.
It's completely against his faith, which is something that he's
already kind of been pushed to, you know, in the
first two seasons. In season two, like the Punisher and
him or like talking about all that stuff, and then
it just seems like, yeah, I know that none of
that really happened. We're just gonna we're just gonna go
through that crisis again for Matt here. And I was
just so fucking annoyed and like, man, like, I'm just
so not really loving what's going on with Daredevil here
in the season, so not loving on what's what's going
on with Kingpin here. They also diverted him back to
his season one outfit, which I'm just not a fan
of either. It's goofy, you know, the silly mass and
he's wearing in the daytime with his like roped up arms.
Big hater of Daredevil apparently that's me. Uh And also
like Daredevil, man, I could take him on, just take
a fucking psionic weapon, you know, just like.
Speaker 1: Okay, may I'm going a little bit too overboard now.
Speaker 2: But like if his if his senses are like heightened
could you not just like do a random thing to
him and like use like a fucking like loud speaker whistle? Yeah,
and his ears are just like like just maxing out,
Like would that not disoriented?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's an article someone you know did the
the fan fiction how.
Speaker 1: You'd feel to beat him in that way, But yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just grumpy with the character there, and I'm like,
he's not even that strong, Like what is this guy?
Speaker 1: Come on? I could take on Daredevil.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I lost stock with Daredevil and Kingpin
in this season, which is something you'd never want to get.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I wish that we got Daredevil Moore in
his suit. I mean we didn't at all, aside from
a crazy other alternative dynamic which I got a funny
story actually connected to that.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 3: So obviously we'll talk more about it after. But in short,
there's an impost word in the Daredevil suit working for
Fisk and basically he's killing now what that was probably
episode It was in the mid season range, so this
would have been last weekend. It would have been Saturday night.
It would have been like one in the morning that
I woke up, so I would have started watching probably
around eleven, and then I passed out, and then I
woke up and I just see Daredevil murder these reports,
Like what the fuck? It totally threw me off and
I couldn't I didn't know what was going on at all.
The holy shit.
Speaker 1: This is such a dark turt like the bulletin episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I woke up in there. I think that was
the first episode for me this season, which I'm pretty
sure is episode seven, maybe six, like around that, which
that's like halfway through the show. That was the first
episode when I was like, damn, okay, they're cooking now,
like like it took some time, but we're here now.
Speaker 1: This this is.
Speaker 2: Spicy because I thought that whole dynamic of like the
fake Daredevil and not just being a fake Daredevil, like
it's a planned, a plan, calculated like scapegoat that Fisk
is sitting up here. The guy even looks exactly like
Matt does, like under the mask, you know, like like
when he goes up to Karen, like heay, Karen, good
to see you again. Like I just loved all of
those pieces kind of falling into place there. So yeah,
I was kind of grumpy the first few episodes, and like,
not every episode was terrible, it was it just felt
like a long time to get going into the the
hoodspa of what I wanted to you know, some we
had some We had a lot of fantastic action season two,
so I was just assuming season three was just gonna
be like even more so of that. Uh you know,
took a took a hot damn minute to get there.
But when we actually got to that sequence of the bulletin,
especially because I just did not expect it to happen
at all, like I assume there would have been some
threat there, but like a fake Daredevil, that was just
such an interesting thing to have. And uh, yeah, no,
I I think that was a really really cool antagonist
to have throughout the whole show. And I don't know,
I have some minor grievances with Poindexter, and again, just
seemed like we really wanted to flesh out like his
origin story, which for the most part I just thought
it was like kind of cheesy, a lot of the
flashback childhood stuff there, but it's also just I don't know,
building a little bit more, yeah, just backstory for the
character to make them more interesting. To maybe make like
the the Turn that much more impactful. But it just
seemed like we spent a lot of time with that
character and a lot of time with Agent Nadeem, which, again,
by the end of the season, I was a little
bit more open to it, but I just think during it,
I'm like, why the fuck are we getting introduced to
these characters here?
Speaker 1: Like, I'm just so not interested. By the end of
the season, although it was more positive.
Speaker 2: I still would have taken a lot of that out
to just maybe focus more on other characters, just more
Karen stuff, more foggy stuff. Like I just we had
a lot of focus on these new characters that got introduced,
and because it wasn't explained till way later, it just
felt like a waste of time. You know, I'm sotunding
extreme here, but yeah, I just wasn't really vibing with
the setup of those characters, even though you know, we've
got some good moments like the bulletin set up, and like,
he's actually a capable fighter too. He's not just not
just an agent right, Like he is Bullseye. He can
fucking he pisses and he don't miss. Like this guy
hits everything so yeah, I thought it was a great
antag and is set up there and that episode I think,
like that episode in the episode after I was really
really locked into it, it, Yeah, they had me good
at that portion.
Speaker 3: I did not realize that was Bullseye until I just
I google it him, like okay, who is point Dexter,
Like this is bulls Eye? Was like holy shit, Okay,
that that makes sense. And he rivaled in combat fiercely
against Daredevil.
Speaker 4: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I'm not a big Daredevil comic book fan,
but like you know, the good old Ben Affleck, Colin
Ferrell Bullseye casting. That was like my first you know,
experience with the Bullseye character. And then probably just throw
like ultimate alliance and like him being like a villain
through there.
Speaker 1: He's like a great like.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, like a character to recognize because he's just
he don't miss his name's Bullseye, Like it makes sense.
Speaker 1: He's usually got like an arrow on him. So that's that.
Speaker 2: But and this I think overall though, like at best
he's like a b villain. Maybe like this season I
think did a good job uplifting him a little bit
more like making.
Speaker 1: Him more of that.
Speaker 2: But by the end of it, like he's he really
kind of just is that right, Like like we spent
a lot of time with him, but it's just kind
of doubling down on like he's fucked.
Speaker 1: He's just he's just this psychopath. Like that's what this
character is. There.
Speaker 2: There's not that much more to it, Like there's there's
some layers there. I like the moments when we're like
he's trying to like not go into those psychopathic tendencies, right,
like when he's actually like listening to his tapes, they
show that he's like he actually wants to get Julie's help.
I thought he was going to just straight up murder
her because he was going full psycho stalker vibes there,
approaching her, grabbing her and like all these things. But
I like those aspects that they were at least trying
with the character. But it just seemed like it got
to a point where like, oh no, he's just straight
up evil, Like he's just Kingpin's number one henchman. He
wants to be the new Wesley, And yeah, I just
I found the character to be a little bit disappointed
by by the end and that card. But yeah, like
when we got the flashback of him killing his like
baseball coach. That's when I like, oh, this is bulls eye.
He just fucking banked it off the off the pole
domes them and like, yeah, I did that on purpose,
like he was just born to not miss I.
Speaker 1: I I didn't really know about his origin.
Speaker 2: I guess he's just always, you know, one hundred percent
accurate accuracy, which which is good as a soldier, I guess.
But uh and and you know, I'm again super negative.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound all negative.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the fight scenes with him
were really really cool, just the different like items that
he was grabbing, whether it his pencils, when.
Speaker 1: Uh Nadeem and Matt are in.
Speaker 2: His apartment and he's like picking off those like chandelier
like glass things and it's just like all this like
Ammo that he picks up. It's yeah, just just fun
sequence there. And I like the actor too in the role,
Like I thought he did a pretty good job of
just showing that he's like in pain and like trying
to be a little bit better. But then also when
he's turning on either the Daredevil, uh the fake Daredevil persona,
or just just beating character I think he showed the
layers there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think that's.
Speaker 3: One of the downfalls to Fisk too, because he he
looked into a point like Dex's history and saw, okay
that he's got a lot of problems and knew how
to manipulate and take advantage of that, but not how
to maintain it and control it. He thought that, okay,
he could use Dex for what he needed to for
these few little missions and then just kind of like
remove him and not remove him, but put him on
the back burner.
Speaker 4: And that doesn't work for decks.
Speaker 3: Because Dex was trying to worm his way in there
more like hey, yeah, like you said, think of me
as the new Wesley and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: It's like, this is not appropriate.
Speaker 3: But again, he was coming from a place that was unhealthy,
and without Julie that wasn't great. But the guy, the
guy was definitely fucked. He's working at a suicide prevention
hotline and he's like, why don't you want to use
that gun yourself? Why don't you just like you use
that on some other people like Jesus Christ. He's not
not doing good, not doing good at all.
Speaker 4: No, and that's FBI.
Speaker 3: I don't understand how that that connection.
Speaker 1: And I imagine, like again like.
Speaker 2: N unqualified people get into positions every day, but like
specifically an FBI, Like I imagine there's so many like
psych evaluations that constantly have to do and like he
does do one right, like when he kills those officers,
Like he's he's talking to the doctor, like do we
really have to do this? Like just going through the
motions again, and I feel like up like that point,
it's fine, but then later on, I'm like, how the
fuck did he pass any of these?
Speaker 1: Like this guy is so fucking unhinged, And I guess
you can.
Speaker 2: Make the the explanation that, like, well, he's just going
through a lot. By that point, he loses his job,
Julie's gone, not answering his calls, He's uh, he's really
wigging out and like listening to these tapes a lot.
And then eventually he just burns it, you know, and
just close that chapter on his life and kind of
goes to the point in return. But yeah, I don't know,
I think the setup of the character, I'm like, who
the fuck is this gonna be? When uh Kingpinn was
going through his files, and he like sees him as
a child, like in his apartment. I just thought all
the way that was done was so cheesy. Yeah, the
dialogue between the kid and the coach. I was just
kind of rolling my eyes in that sequence. But yeah,
for for just kind of looking at the character overall,
definitely a Although I might sound, you know, pretty harsh
on him right now, I think it was a more
positive part of just the overall season, just just to
have this like imposing force, especially at the start when
you have Mat that's like he's, you know, he's trying
to rEFInd Jesus and his own faith on what he's
doing with Daredevil, and then he sees this guy who's
dressed in the Daredevil attire and just kicks the shit
out of him and like, who the fuck is this guy?
Why is he wearing my suit? How is he better
than me? Like all these questions. I did like that
kind of holy shit moment, But it's also like, well, fuck, Matt,
maybe if you weren't just like crying in the in
the church this whole time may would have been better.
And uh, Butani will take him on. But that's just
kind of me being facetious.
Speaker 3: So no, no, I can get behind it. He spends
so much time in that church it was ridiculous, And
he buried his suit, like he said, like he could
have done things so very differently. But I don't know,
like do they just want to avoid having no season two?
He was in a suit for the whole season, so
I don't know. I don't know necessarily what the point was,
aside from it just being dex Is personating him and
or using that to make him to be the new martyr,
the new villain of Hell's Kitchen. So he pulls the
attention off of Fisk, which, again, with all the power
Fisk has at the start, that's what really just pulled
me out. I did not understand, like, Okay, he's got
all of this control, he's getting things in his he
gets out of jail, and he gets in his penthouse
condo that he bought with the offshore company, and now
he's getting his artwork and his suits and everything put
back in there because he owns half the FBI. It's like, man,
I don't understand this. This is just this is too
rushed and too over the top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I feel like I didn't have like a
big problem with him. Necessarily having influence in dirt on
officers even like the FBI to a point, But it
just seemed like the start of the show, we're especially
because we we followed Agent Nadeem, like before he even
gets in contact with with Kingpin, right, like yeah, like
it opens, he's got credit card debt or whatever, but
like he has big plans. He wants to get this
pool of his family and like he's just a really
nice carrying family guy.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then what goes on front after that we go
to the FBI, and then it kind of hinted that
he's he's getting kind of stunted on his promotion pathway right,
like his his boss is just not letting him do it,
she says, trying to protect him all these things. Eventually
it leads to Kingpin, and like the whole support around
the FBI for for Nadeem is like this is perfect.
Like we're like we're getting we're getting dirt from him
to you know, shut down these other crime lords and
and this is going well, it's we're gonna get a
lot of use out of him. And there's just no
like hints that anything could be going in a Kingpin direction, right,
Like I guess you could argue that, well, the fact
that they even have Fisk's file here and like want
to talk to him about getting these people like Fists
probably just orchestrate that whole thing, So that's probably the
reasoning there. But it just seems like the way that
we're unraveling it with the dem is like we don't
get any inklean of like hey, yeah, like this is Fist,
but like remember like do what he says and all
these like it just seems like everyone's against him until
the reveal happens and then literally every single person in
the FBI is like, no, we're we work for Fisk,
like we call him Kingpin, and it just seemed like
like just a snap of the fingers, like oh no,
he's just god moo now, and like you didn't know this,
but he had this the whole time, and it just
it seemed like it seemed like I was watching something
like uh, he was gonna be a wild poll but
now you see me. You know, when it's a movie
about magic and like it's cool, but like at the
end of the day, it's just like cgi magic that
they're doing, and like they can have these really crazy,
elaborate tricks and there's no real reason to explain them
because it's not real. It's all movie shenanigans. So therefore
here you could say that we're like no Kingpin had
them played the whole time, but we don't have to
show any of that because it's just it's just movie magic.
Like he's just always had them playing the whole time,
like he's just been ten steps ahead since he's one,
and like that's just lazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was just unsatisfied with the reveal there, and I
think a big portion of it is like what you
stated with him just being you know, you didn't say this,
I said it, but like he's basically god mode, where
like it doesn't matter what happens. He has everyone played,
he's got the whole FBI, he's probably got the whole
fucking President United States and his belt right, like like
what does this guy have to fear other than just
losing Vanessa, Like that's his only con is that he's
just such a little simpleton when it comes to Vanessa
and trying to impress her and not in front of
Vanessa like just fuck man, like just annoyed by that.
So yeah, I'm right there, with you on the Uh.
I don't even know if it's the right term. I'll
call it power creep that they have for Kingpin in
the season. And yeah, like like when he takes the
ankle bracelet at the end of Like Walks Away, it
just I didn't feel satisfied by it, Like I feel
like it should have been like a holy fuck, he
did it, he got out sort of way, but for me,
it just felt unsatisfying.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair, Ah, I Yeah, it's just it's it's
so it's so annoying that this character has kind of
just been I don't know, it's just aggravating. It's aggravating
because I feel like after more of this discussion and
just seeing where we're at with this character, I feel
like they were just putting us putting him in the
wrong direction with the development so far, and yeah, like
having all this power and having all this kind of stuff,
And I get it with na Deem he was watching
a dem for over a year And I like that
quick little line like yet because.
Speaker 4: You get to see a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Okay, he had him marked for a year and then
we're gonna have him kind of be denied his rais
and we're gonna have him be eager to just listen
to Fisk and get Fisk what he Fisk needs and YadA, YadA,
YadA for the f b I. But it's all part
of Fisk's plan, and it for me, I didn't like it.
And I don't want to say until because I don't
like it period. But with Fisk I, I didn't like it.
And then I put a hold on it when it
came to that scene where Nadan walks into the FBI
room and you just see all these officers that Fisk
has in his pocket, and I thought, Okay, I'm gonna
like up till now it was pissed me off, but
I'm just gonna be I'm gonna be like Nadiem and
just roll with it. So that's where I kind of
was okay with how things were going. But just again,
all his power just wasn't. It was not I don't know,
not great part.
Speaker 1: Of the sun the bomb was.
Speaker 2: Then Yeah, that's right, let's take another outbreak here and
then we'll write back.
Speaker 1: All right, we are right back.
Speaker 2: Something else that was kind of annoying for me this season,
and it's been I don't know where it's going with
that let's shift. Oh yeah, never mind. I just remind
myself Season two ends with a big cliffhanger of you know,
Karen Page finding out not from you know, Matt's mouth
himself that he is Daredevil.
Speaker 1: Crazy way to end the season.
Speaker 2: I couldn't fucking wait to get into season three for that,
for that reason of just like seeing what this dynamic is,
and man, I could not I could not be more
unsatisfied with I think what would happened here? Like it
when we do pick up with them having the conversation,
it's just kind of not like, not a lot comes
out of it to and maybe I just had my
own expectations of how it was gonna go. It's just oh, yeah, okay,
that that's like why didn't you tell me again? Major paraphrasing.
There's a lot more that was said here, but just
the way that everything plays out. I was hoping that
it was going to be like, Yeah, this is gonna
make a lot more of an interesting dynamic where you
have care and doing her on the ground work, but
then also able to work with Matt like in the
Daredevil mass not in not in the same way of
like she's running, you know, fighting crime with him in
the nighttime, but just just helping, like working together in
that way. And just the fact that this season, pretty
much halfway through the whole season, like they don't even
really interact at all, right, because Matt's just completely on
his own trying to find himself. Here you have Karen
doing her own work with the bulletin, Foggy kind of
doing his own thing, and like they're kind of just
wondering where Matt is and trying to accept the fact
that he is dead. You know, of course Karen's kind
of holding on to hope that he's still out there.
But I don't know, I just I felt so unsatisfied
with the way that we picked up with that, and
I love the whole triage of Foggy, Karen and Matt.
I think that's a big reason why I just see
the early portions of the show, like specific season one,
just so intriguing, like when they're still the law firm
and like working together. Obviously Matt's doing his nighttime stuff,
but like there's still a team for the most part,
and even later on, like it doesn't really feel like
they're a team until like the penultimate episode, maybe even
like the finale like it like they're just really distance
and that was just really upsetting for me because I was,
you know, like it's definitely Matt's show. But I still
think those three were really really great together throughout the
whole show, and this season it's just really not there,
like the specifically the trio of them. I think Karen
probably has like the most besides Matt in this of course,
Foggy's doing his da thing. I think they're I think
they're all great like on their own. It's just I
really wanted to have more of a team aspect of
the season, knowing that it's the finale, you know, like
you got Daredevil borne again, but just judging the show
on its own, like this is kind of closing the
chapter here, and I there's like one moment at the
end when they're like yef Nelson and Murdoch back on
the case or whatever the hell they say, and it's like, okay, man,
this is sweet. And then I realized that it's like
episode thirteen, like it's right at the end, like, yeah,
oh okay, that's that's that.
Speaker 1: So a little bit were you with me?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was with you. I would have loved
to see a little bit more collab, and there were
brief moments where Okay, Daredevil and Karen are trapped in
the basement because we're always going back to the basement,
and then the whole FBI has it all under lockdown,
and uh, why can't I remember his character name? Not
Daredevil met Murdoc, thank you Jesus Weez, Memurdock escapes and
Karen Page is in there, and so Foggy comes in
and their plan is, Okay, Foggy is going to basically testify,
not testify for her, but represent her and be like, Okay,
the FBI does not claim Karen Page. It's going to
be the local jurisdiction, the police. I'm like, yeah, New
York PD. This is great. I love this because they're
they're working as a team, they're thinking, and even then
when they get into deem to basically confess and testify,
games like, Okay, this is great too, because now we
got the all three of them working together.
Speaker 4: But then I feel like this season for me.
Speaker 3: Had damaged Karen a little bit warm. I didn't care
much for her backstory of just her doing drugs and
just right there with you, man. I was not enjoying
that at all. And just I get they're really trying
to show that she was struggling in the season being
alone and not being with Matt and with Foggy as
much and so forth, but it still didn't sit with
me the right way. And then when she totally fucks
Foggy over and goes to actually talk to Fists because like,
I don't care what happens to me, I'm just gonna
get him mad. So he sees it on the FBI,
the FED seat on camera. It's like, well, I wouldn't
have done anything in retrospect because the FBI is they're
all working for him, so they would have just threw
the camera footage away and she would have died for nothing.
It was just bullshit.
Speaker 4: But when she was.
Speaker 3: Being hunted after the fact, Okay, I thought this was cool.
I could get on board with this. This was this
is exciting. But uh yeah, I just uh, I'm I'm
not overly thrilled with just that flashback episode. And I
feel like they could have they could have told the
story a little bit better because Madison was with me
when we're watching and when she's this was post Fisk
and she was feeling just helpless, helpless and she calls
her dad and her dad's like, yeah, no, just you
can't come home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's not a good idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as is like what the hell kind of a
parent would say that. I was like, I don't know.
And then finally we got the episode where she she
fucked up Royal, So it makes sense. But I'm not
a big fan of any of that that history.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was really bummed by that episode because if I believe, Yeah,
if I remember, that was episode ten and episode nine
like left in like a big like holy shit, let's go,
like stuff's ramping up, just some interesting thing with Agent
Nadeem finding out a little bit more about Fisk maybe
potentially working against them a little bit, or or trying
to at least, and then we just jumped to a
full flashback episode for Karen here, And I don't know,
I I I think there's a place for like filling
in backstory with Karen, because it's especially in season one
we get we get some flashbacks between Foggy and Matt
right like when they're like new lawyers. So there is
a little bit of flashback stuff there for Foggy, But
and like, I don't think judging the specific episode on
its own is like bad by any means, Like I
think I can't remember her name, but the lady that
plays Karen, I'll get her name. It's some Deborah Ann Hall,
not Hall Deborah and Wool. Like, I think she's great
throughout the whole show. In that episode, it's her episode obviously,
so there's there's a lot of hers. There's a lot
of just range in the emotion and everything that she's showing, Like,
I think she's really good, but it just it seemed
kind of out of place, you know, Like I I
don't think I got a lot out of that to
be like, oh, this was this is what I needed
going into the last two episodes here to really make
me feel satisfied with with what's going on with the show.
Like I think it's it's an out Like okay, yeah,
it filled me a little bit more in that she's
she's had some trouble in the past and like, I
guess I know why she can handle a gun because
she shot someone before, and U just a fucked up
setup with her with her family dynamic. It explains the
phone call. I guess why her dad is so distant,
But like it just it didn't do a lot to
push this specific story together. So I think what I'm
trying to say is like I would have taken this
episode just in a different place, and not even necessarily
like this season, just just somewhere else in the show.
I already feel like this season spent some time in
areas I didn't want, with what other Nadem's family or Poindexter,
with the the therapist. Like there's just some things I
feel like we already could have trimmed. So the fact
that we got a whole episode in like the last four,
you know, like like running off the whole show, it's
definitely an area I would have chopped out. But yeah, yeah,
I also just like we haven't really had a whole
flashback episode if I remember, without the whole show, So
just have one only for Karen.
Speaker 1: I was. I was surprised, But.
Speaker 2: Getting back to the modern day stuff, I did actually
really like the sequence when she goes to confront Fisk.
I think there was just some really good anticipation and
build up and suspense of like, holy fuck, like this guy,
like she's never really been face to face with him,
even though like he you know, indirectly was like responsible
for like her almost death and like wanting to kill her,
and like all these people that were close to her.
Ben Yurick obviously like he killed him with his bare hands.
So like to actually have Karen face to face with
this guy, that was a big moment for me, and
I like the conversation, like the way that played out.
Speaker 1: I like that Karen was like digging her heels in
and like I was.
Speaker 3: There with Ben. Yeah, didn't feel great taking advantage of
an old woman.
Speaker 1: I love the way the dialogue went.
Speaker 2: I liked that she was like like giving it to him,
like you think I'm fucking scared of you. I shot
Wesley like seven times, like I'm the one that killed him,
and like she's getting under his skin like it's working.
So I really liked how that scene played out. And
then obviously Foggy shows up right when he's about to
fucking pull a ben Yurick on her and just beat
the shit out of her.
Speaker 1: But uh so, yeah, good timing from Foggy there, But yeah,
I I.
Speaker 2: What was I gonna stay there? I don't know, It's
just just a good sequence. And then of course that's
when Kingpin goes all out like we're taking out here Pointdexter,
you have the green light, and then she goes on
the run, which, yeah, it was a little bit intense.
I was also just thinking of season one. I'm like, man,
this poor lady, she's just always on the run from
Kingpin and she's just she she needs to get out
of Dodge. But here we are again, So I even
know what I was trying to say there, just my thoughts. Yeah,
there's some good stuff and some bad stuff.
Speaker 3: She's very lucky, you know, Sister Maggie just popped in there,
and at this point we know Sister Maggie is Daredevil's mom.
I was not expecting that at all.
Speaker 4: Of course I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know the comics, I don't know the backstory there.
But it's still just complete left field just does not
see it coming.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is funny too because this character she's in
like episode one of this season. But maybe you can
help me remember, like she's not in any other season,
right like her No interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's what's his name, father, mister father.
Speaker 1: Who's also in here.
Speaker 2: But like, we have a lot of maggy stuff specifically
in this and like it starts off with her being
just the grumpy you know sister, the grumpy nun who
uh like Matt's just fucking taking a bed from her,
you know, like she's just a grumpy, sour old lady.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, like, to me, this lady like
she didn't seem.
Speaker 2: That old like at all, Like like like I feel
like there's there's some scenes where she looks older than others.
Speaker 1: There's a specific scene when she's.
Speaker 2: Talking to Matt and she's not wearing like her nun
head piece, and I'm like, man, she looks like the
same fucking age as Charlie Cox here, like.
Speaker 3: They were going to hook up.
Speaker 1: I did too, I did too.
Speaker 2: Specifically that scene when like she doesn't have her headdress on,
I'm like, mad, Matt, you know, he's one with the
ladies here, like he's they're gonna just start fucking here.
And then of course we get the reveal that it's uh,
it's his mom, which made me rethink you know how
I felt on that sequence there. But anyway, what I
was trying to say is just like, yeah, they set
up that she's she's an old nun. She was basically
the same role that she is to like the younger students,
that she was for Matt when he was younger. Obviously,
now we know that, like that's his mom, so it
makes sense. The aging is just yeah, she said, like, oh,
I used to do that for you, like in regards
to him being like a young student. I'm like, man,
this lady looks so young to like, I guess she
just she just doesn't age. She's doing She's got good geeness,
taking care of her skin, She's doing good. But yeah,
another character that I was just a little bit perplexed
on why we were spending so much time with at
the start of the show. But that's kind of what
this show is, or sorry, the season is where like
we spend a lot of time introducing the Dean Poindexter,
Maggie sister Maggie here, and then later on in the
season that's when you find out the significance of these
characters and just kind of the parts that they play
in the story of this season. But because we were
just getting a lot of introductions there, I'm like, just
fucking give me Karen and Foggy and Matt, like, like,
just I want to spend time with characters that I
know in love already.
Speaker 1: But I digress.
Speaker 2: I'm just a whiny old part here. But yeah, Maggie,
I thought she was good. I thought the performance was good.
I like to reveal because, as you already stated, I
did not see it coming at all. Uh, the way
that that Matt just kind of found out when he's
just beating the bag and he's like ooh, I was like,
oh man, you really just just remembering his mother that
that was weird.
Speaker 3: But it's got to share me in that scene on
the note of Moms, because I mean I liked her
character a lot, and I like how she kind of
like picked up you know at the end.
Speaker 1: She was our thirsty young nun too.
Speaker 3: Eh, she was go back that You're.
Speaker 1: Like, no, let's just check out what's.
Speaker 3: Going on here. Yeah she was.
Speaker 1: She was going for it.
Speaker 3: And then complete left field too again when the kid
was born and she's just not all there mentally, just
betrayed God and so the church had to take her
away some crazy ship. But for me, uh, on the
on the notes of of Mothers, when we look at
Foggy's mom, did you recognize that actress.
Speaker 1: That's Penguin's mom? Right?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually.
Speaker 2: Meant to like pull that up when I was watching
that episode, but I totally forgot about it. But yeah, no,
she's a good mom character mom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's what she's.
Speaker 2: As Foggy's mom. You know, she's a lot less like
abusive as opposed to mister cobble pot.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, yeah, uh so was cool to see
that kind of connection there. I was not expecting that whatsoever. Yeah, yeah,
getting getting Foggy's kind of not his backstory, but just
more of his family. I liked the I like seeing
that the haircut too, driving with that living he's looking good, living.
Speaker 1: Looking like he's making money.
Speaker 3: Yeahs making money, all right, Yeah, trying to run for DA.
Speaker 4: Like that whole story.
Speaker 3: I like that a lot where Okay, a while ago
his family got kind of roped in and put under pressure,
and now his family could go to jail or they
don't have to, depends because if he does become DA,
then there's Fisk has control over him. And it's like, goddamn,
that's just some crazy shit just to think about how
Fisk just is trying to tap in and control him.
But yeah, he's he's definitely trying to do the right thing.
And I like Foggy a lot more in the season.
Foggy is one of my my favorite character of the
show actually after all.
Speaker 4: These seasons, and he's.
Speaker 3: I like too that he is evolved where he knows
Matt and he's like, Okay, if Matt kills someone, he's
never gonna be able to come back from that.
Speaker 4: It's just going to destroy him.
Speaker 3: YadA, YadA, YadA. And I like that he's he's just
he gets pissed off when Matt appears and he's been
drinking and it's like, holy shit, and then Matt takes
his wallet.
Speaker 4: It's like fuck.
Speaker 3: Which amazing prison sequence that way, that whole whole thing
was choreographed and just he was being like attacked and
then he had to like take on the guards and
like sneak through with like an undercover guy as a
guard and just get out of the prison. It was
just the whole riot. That was a fantastic scene, which
he pretended to be Foggy getting in there, I guess
with his ID from his stolen wallet. But yeah, I
really like Foggy and he's one of the highlights for
me going into Born Again just to see that character
come back.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm curious what the role is gonna be
for him, right, because obviously, like he's he's got a
big part to play, but he's just so distance from
Matt as opposed to what he was in season one.
I guess, you know, season one, he doesn't know about Daredevil,
so maybe he can argue he's he is more distance there,
but it just seems like he's doing a lot of
stuff kind of behind the scenes for the good fight
to take on Fist, not necessarily to help out Matt.
But I really I feel like I'm I'm kind of
surprised about how much I appreciate that character because I
just kind of thought he was gonna be like the
comic relief, you know, like Matt's buddy who's like kind
of the I was gonna say, be to your lawyer,
but that sounds that sounds harsh the second lawyer lawyer,
you know, when it comes to Murdoch and Nelson, because
it just seems like in season one, anytime that they
had like a lawyer eureka moment, it was always Matt like,
well just just do this, this and this, and Foggy's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're so such a genius, Matt.
Speaker 2: But like to where he is now, it seems like
he is like arguably a better lawyer than Murdoch because
he's just so much more focused on doing and he's like,
you know, if he's with a bigger law firm now
he's probably working on these massive cases. He's just so
much more in the weeds on the lawyer stuff, whereas
Matt's I'm surprised if he even remembers how to do
that after the beatings that he's gotten from, you know,
these boxers in the church basement, the fight club that
got going on there. So yeah, I like that the
character kind of kept progressing in a trajectory like throughout
the whole show. You know, It's it's not like just
because Matt's not with him, the character is just nothing
like he's He still has a strong relationship with Marcy,
which again was a character that I thought was just
gonna be a nothing character in season one, but she's
she had some use here. She's not a big player,
you know, pushing the whole story forward, but she directly
and indirectly supports Foggy and helps him kind of get
some one ups on the Fisk and gang. So yeah,
I'm really impressed, But just kind of how they're able
to keep Foggy relevant, and he was going for DA
here right, like that's a massive thing. I was really
surprised when they had that idea for him to run there,
and he I think he had a lot of moments
to really shine season two.
Speaker 1: He did as well when he was leading the.
Speaker 2: Part of me the trial to defend punish her, and
then here when he's standing up to I think Townley
was his name, like the current DA when he's like
getting all up in his face, just shit talk and
pointing all this Fisk corruption to light.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Am impressed with Foggy and I am intrigued on what
usage they're gonna have for him in the new season,
and mostly just kind of like how much we're going
to get of him.
Speaker 1: I think I'm curious about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm curious too.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that they go through and we don't get
a time jump and the firm doesn't happen, because I
like the the Nelson Murdoch page idea that they had,
so I'm hoping we go through with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be a fun place to pick up where
it's like we disbanded, we all hate each other, and
that's where we are now.
Speaker 1: That's how the show's going to start. I hope not.
Speaker 4: I just want to circle back.
Speaker 3: And we were talking about how you were really excited
to see the Karen Page reveal. Oh I'm Daredevil kind
of yeah, I'm asking thing, and I'm totally with you there.
I really would have loved to see that, And so
I checked and thought, Okay, since Defenders takes place before this,
it doesn't seem like Defenders answers that question either.
Speaker 4: Defenders seems to be a close off and resolution resolving
I guess not resolution resolving the Hand and Electra story
in this universe.
Speaker 3: And then it also that'smat up for being so depressed
in the first couple episodes here mental States. So it
would have been nice because if I mean Defenders being
in between them, at least give us a scene in
there of Karen Page just like oh my God and
freaking out and all that kind of stuff. But no,
it's just cutting to the future and it's like, oh,
he's just dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was also such a big thing
for me too.
Speaker 2: Where this is also something in like Batman's Super anytime
a hero has like a secret persona and then they
have like basically a three way relationship between themselves their
alter ego, and then like a love interest, you know,
like like that's like a very comic booky thing to have,
because it's very common, whether it's Superman, Badman, Spider Man
has that sometimes. But like it's it's just so juicy
when you get to like the reveal of like this
person who maybe sees this character as more of a
friend versus like, of course you want to just be
with a superhero because come on, he's he's got the
fucking and just the testosterone under the mask, like just
a many man under there, like like just just the possibilities,
you know, are endless. But then so you have like
maybe some some sentral thoughts about that character, and then
when you reveal that that character is this character you
also maybe had some mixed feelings with.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a recipe for.
Speaker 2: An interesting interaction, and I just feel like we were
robbed of that, right, Like we just didn't really get
and they don't even really like talk about a lot
of that in the season. I know there's a sequence
when they kind of talk a little bit about that,
but it's mostly just I feel like there's big fish
to fry, So we just don't have time to really
talk about things like that. And maybe if we don't
have a whole Karen drug use flashback episode, maybe we
can you know, squeeze in an episode where we have
more of that. So that's definitely something I would have
changed in hindsight, I'm not the one that makes the
show so.
Speaker 1: Well said, well said, Okay, do you want to talk
about Actually we already kind of talked about point Dexter. Yeah,
they set up that he's getting some super surgery. I
don't know.
Speaker 2: They show the bulls eye and his pupil. I thought
that was kind of a corny sequence. It's like, hey,
if you don't know these bullseye now, like why the
fund we have to show a bulls eye symbolism through
the eyeball, but whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, his spine was completely exposed, looking like Auto Octavius
and Spider Man two on the all.
Speaker 4: The armspreading table.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but I always just remember like
the chainsaw that they used to like try and like
cut the fucking.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah thing in that sequence shuts out to Spider
Man two. Yeah, we talked about him.
Speaker 2: We talked about uh, Agent adem A little bit.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that guy? I?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think about the inclusion of that character,
the performance everything.
Speaker 4: I really liked his.
Speaker 3: His addition to the show, and I liked when we
got to see his family. And I was apprehensive at first,
of course, and I thought, Okay, him just being kind
of a jerk and an ass and not really believing
our characters. That kind of sucks. But I like his
his position and he was willing to just kind of
be blinded by the fact that hey, I got my raise,
I got this new gig with fisks on fist. Detail
while he's being held up in this penthouse, we're going
to get more information to basically put and take down
more of these crime syndicates. I thought, Okay, he's got
motivation and he wants more money and YadA, YadA. I
thought at the end of the day he was maybe
gonna just rob one of these crime families or something
like that. But no, they just they took him down,
at least I guess just the Albanians really, But yeah,
I thought it cut me completely off guard at the
end when he just killed himself by triggering a fight
with decks, just trying to like go and pull a
gun on him. But the information that he saved into
that testimony on the cell phone for his wife, I
liked all that. I thought that was great. Yeah, just
I feel really really sad for the character. He had
a very rough go at it trying to make things
work and ultimately paid for it with his life just
to get Fisk off of his family's tail.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I went through a circle with this character where
at the start, like I already stayed, I'm like, who
the fuck is this guy? Why should I care about him?
Why should care about his family's issues?
Speaker 1: And like, and.
Speaker 2: Then because they don't even show right away that he
is like an FBI agent, so it's kind of fun
in that sense, I'm like, who the fuck is this guy?
Speaker 1: This the villain of.
Speaker 2: The show, Like, like, what are they showing me here?
And then FBI Okay, we get a little bit more
revealed there he's gonna be the guy dealing with Fisk.
So as soon as that happens, I'm just like, oh,
this guy's this guy's doomed, like like he's getting close
to Fisk. It's not gonna work out for him. I
think initially too, I'm like this guy's not even a
good actor. I don't I don't like the scenes that
he's having in here, and then literally by the end
of the show, I'm like, man, I wanted more scenes
with him. I I feel like, I think he is
a great actor. I really like the scenes that he
had with his family with Fisk. I liked how he Yeah,
he gets obviously put into a very difficult situation where
someone's murdered right in front of him by his boss
with his gun, and like he's being framed right then
and there.
Speaker 1: I think that he like showed great just shock in
that moments, like performance wise.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Like like in the start, I was really
not a fan, but then by the end, I was
honestly wanting more. I think I would have wished to
get another scene with him and his wife, But maybe
that's another just tragic point of the whole thing is
like he never actually got another moment, you know, to
say goodbye to his wife or his son. I thought
just the whole setup of that was really really compelling
for me, where like he's trying to keep these two
lives like separate because he knows the dangers, but then
also like he basically has to lie to his family
so they don't think that he's gonna get shot every
single time it goes to work, like, you know, because
you don't want them to worry.
Speaker 1: So I actually really really really.
Speaker 2: Loved that whole dynamic by the end, even though I
was really not sold on it when he got shot
at the end, Like I figured he was a goner
for sure, but when he got shot the end, I
was just like, oh man, that's just so wrenching. And
I liked how he kind of like he kind of
just did his own plan right, like he went, he
went against everyone's advice, went to the house, knew that
he was kind of drawn attention. He looked right in
the camera, looking like Travis Snell stopping by Taylor Field's
house on on the.
Speaker 1: The CCTV there. But then.
Speaker 2: But then uh, yeah, he he films the testimony to
his family, and of course we don't see the full video.
And then I liked how the wife is the one
that kind of, you know, told Foggy about it, and
then that's what really leads to the like the big
capture thing at the end. So I I really really
appreciated that character by the end of it. And although
I was really not a fan of of how it started. Yeah,
I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was impressed by the end and feel for for
the wife and the son, you know, like he's just
he's a hero, and the whole force was just painting
him as a corrupt cop right that.
Speaker 3: I I was buying into it when they were uh
dealing with the spin on the truth about what was
going on, how he shot this other agent and he
was doing all this crazy shit. Then Yah, the mom
comes down to the station, his Nandi's wife and it's
just saying I thought he was good, and they're like, yeah,
he's a monster. Yeat. I'm thinking, fuck this poor guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, getting super tragic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But luckily she was in on it, so she's like, oh, no,
like they told me to come here, so I basically
clear us off the boards so they wouldn't suspect.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he was like, oh, what's his name, Matthew
mcconnie's character and Interstellar behind the bookshelf, you know, and
like the afterlife. No no, I guess he would have
known though, as long as she sees the whole video,
it's a it's a big gamble when that happens. But yeah,
brutal way to go. At least it was a quick
death by anything. You know, if you're going up against decks,
as long as you're not getting like a pencil to
the fucking urethra or something, you know, you gotta you
gotta clean death if you're going against that guy.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we talked about point next, were talking about Nademe.
I like the stuff with the the agent.
Speaker 2: I already already kind of touched upon that with Foggy
and him. I just I liked how they were kind
of button heads, and then of course they kind of
side with each other at the end and.
Speaker 1: All that good stuff there. Yeah, else, we we got
Vanessa in here. We already talked about.
Speaker 2: I feel like I had something, but I can't see
to my notes, I had something else that we hadn't talked.
Speaker 1: Do you have anything we haven't talked about yet?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think so. I'm just looking at
the episode list here. I love the alliance that Daredevil
forms with uh Na Deem, and that ends with even
like pulling his mask offs that Nadeem can see you're.
Speaker 2: Showing his face a lot and the slash everyone. Yeah,
and like even like him wearing like the fucking panty
hose over his head, like in daylight. It's just like, man,
this is such an awful outfit. If it's not like
Pitch Black, it's an awful outfit already, but in daylight already,
especially like he's face to face with Nadine before he
even shows his like masks, and I'm like, how are
you not like Matt Murdock. You look exactly like him
and you have the same you know, like aftershave. Like
it's just like so in your face where I get
nighttime maybe in some action like you can't really discern,
but I just I can help a laugh, Like anytime
it's like daytime they're face to face with each other,
it's like didn't he just talk to Matt Murdoch like
this morning?
Speaker 1: Like it's just but it's a superhero thing. It's it's
it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there there was a funny scene near the end
here it's just it's a superhero thing again when they
try to slink out in conversation and they're in fisks
penthouse and fisks being arrested and you can see that
there's obviously X and the Daredevil suit, and I think
I'm paraphrasing, but the one officers like officers like, oh
we got uh got Daredevil. And then it wasn't the
dem it was who was it? Oh, what's the name
of the the officer that was he was just a
cop in the first season and like Buddy with Foggy, Yeah,
but he's Foggy now he's a detective.
Speaker 1: He's I'll get his name. I can't remember what it
is because he was in there, Sergeant.
Speaker 3: Brett, thank you mahoney. So yeah, he's like, oh, we
this isn't the real dared level and he turns like
that's the real Daredevil and it's just Matt just walking
into the room upstairs like yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like, ho, long do have to wait till he
says my name?
Speaker 3: It was so just so out of place, but it
made me laugh.
Speaker 2: I also laughed at that moment too, because it's like, well,
I guess that's how you prove that that's not the Daredevil,
but like, like how else would you do it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: So it was kind of funny, and that dynamic actually
throughout the sea and was fun where you have characters
like Karen Foggy that no Matt was there and wasn't
the narrat devil that killed them, But it's like, how
do they explain to people that that wasn't the case
because he looks exactly like him, Like who else would
have these suits? So I did actually like that that
game that they had to play, you know, like Karen
got fired from her job because she was refusing to
reveal Matt's persona there, So yeah, I like that factor
throughout the whole the whole season. There another thing that
I kind of I don't know how you felt about it,
but there's many moments we kind of had, like a
last Jedi where Kingpink just keeps appearing to Matt and
like just whispering sweet nothings into his ear, like shit,
talking to him, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like how do you feel that you're.
Speaker 2: I can't even paraphrase that's a little I remember those sequences,
but he just kept appearing to him and basically just yeah,
like just just getting into his ear, being the devil
on his shoulder. He also speaks to his father, appears
to him later on. I think he finds out about
his mom.
Speaker 1: And for the most part, I feel like these were
cheesy for me.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, for the most part, they didn't
bother me, but for the most part, especially the Kingpin ones,
I feel like also I was just at my lowest
point with Kingpin up until like at this point of
the show.
Speaker 1: So when he's.
Speaker 2: Appearing and all things are going your way, are they Murdock,
and like, oh, you're gonna have to kill me? Like,
I just I think it was it was too much.
It was too much a Matt on his own and
like internal voices speaking to him at this season and
just a lot of that. So overall I was disappointed. Yeah,
well said cool yoh Man. Well if we have nothing
else to say on this season, on the show in general,
final thoughts on the season, and just kind of the
show overall. Obviously we were already rated the first two seasons,
but yeah, just how do you feel twenty twenty five
and you you you finally watched Daredevil.
Speaker 3: Finally watched it? Yea, this has been yeah with you,
this has been a long time and the works, you know,
I feel like we've been we throw it out there,
started as a meme and it just finally became reality
and it feels good to wrap it up. This is
this is one thing that always just I wanted to
fill in the gaps more because whatever, since we got
Daredevil that popped up in She Hulk and then popped
up and Echo and now Daredevil that's popped.
Speaker 4: Up in uh, spider Man, a friend.
Speaker 3: Of the name with Spider Man on Disney Plaster's just
this character popping up everywhere, and so it's nice to
just go back to square one and see why people
fell in love with this character and why they fell
in love with like Charlie's version of Daredevil.
Speaker 4: So after going through.
Speaker 3: Seasons one to three, I'm I'm very happy with it.
It's it was a good time, a very good experience,
and it just makes me really like this character a
lot more and his his charisma and his uh yeah,
just the way he conducts business and goes about things.
I dig it. So it'll be very cool to see,
like I already said before, how far.
Speaker 4: They go with this and into bar and again, uh yeah.
Speaker 3: What was my rank? I think season one was number one,
and I think season two and three three is just
the downside of dealing with the whole Woe is Me
mentality for the first half of the season, which I
just was not not.
Speaker 4: Driving well with.
Speaker 3: But I really liked a lot of things like Bullseye
impersonating and impersonating Daredevil. That was fantastic, and the season
really liked it. He was scary. I didn't like Kingpin's
power situation, but I liked how things kind of like
cleared up near the end and you kind of understand
where he's pulling all this power from and how he's
doing it. But you get pissed at him too, because
you'll have a scene where hey, we finally got into
Dean Testified and everything like that, and they leave the
room and this one jury is like oh six.
Speaker 4: Two four Woods Road, and they're.
Speaker 3: Like, oh, that's my ayddress, And it's like, fuck, how
did Fisk pull this off so fucking quick? That's the
stuff that bothers me.
Speaker 1: But I think god Mode he knows he does.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool, Yeah, I mean, I'm really glad that we
went through this. This was, as you already stated, a
long time coming and started as a meme. I feel
like we first talked about this in like, yeah, forty
percent chance, I actually watched the show. That's not really happening,
but here we are. We watched one hundred percent chance.
Although I have like obviously issues with the way that
the show ended. I think overall, Charlie Cox casting as
Daredel has been fantastic. Obviously, we've seen him in Uh
Spider Man, No Way Home as well being a little
lawyer in there, so we've already seen him appear in
the MCU echo as well. I'm really just I think
because I'm mixed on the show in general. Well that's
not even true. I am positive for the show in
general and the performances. I am very much looking forward
to picking up this character and seeing what the MCU
does with it now with Born Again, because there is
some really great glimpses here. I don't want to start
Born Again with him, you know, having a crisis on
just finding God and like what he's doing right, I never.
Speaker 1: Want to have that.
Speaker 2: I never want to have that inner turmoil between Daredevil Again.
I'm sure it will happen, because that's a big part
of the character I'm now finding out, but I am
just so annoyed by it. And if it does happen,
hopefully it's it's short and sweet. But uh yeah, no,
I I'm really glad we made it through here. We
never talked about it. Are we gonna do like a
rankings for this retro. I did definitely did not prepare anything. Obviously,
we could rank the seasons here, but like characters villains,
obviously there's not many villains, but.
Speaker 3: I could see us doing that after we finished Born Again. Okay, Yeah,
sounds good, unless just because I'm feeling there's gonna be
like new characters introduced to maybe some new villains in there,
so we're gonna incorporate them, and or I feel like
we could yea incorporate like all of it together. Unless
I mean we think like all this exclusively a season
one to three kind of it.
Speaker 1: We'll talk, we'll talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, may or may not appear on the on the feeds,
but uh nonetheless, Yeah, know, I I would put this
season at the bottom from for me, elf, I think
season one and season two are close. Season two just
had some like big heavy hitters, obviously with Electra and Punisher,
Like it's tough to really ignore those big inclusion factors.
Speaker 3: What's his name the mentor?
Speaker 4: Is it Gip or stick Stick?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's Pip the trol Man. No stick rest in
He died right, I don't remember him. I think he died.
Speaker 2: They talked about the season that he perished, so I
don't remember that. If you're going through these retros right now,
going from season one to season two, season three, obviously
there's some space in between the recordings, so that will
explain our goldfish brains and why we don't remember what
happened there. But yeah, I know, really really fun time
going through here.
Speaker 1: I think if I had to put a number rating
on this season on its own, it's tough for me.
Speaker 2: I think I would give it a six. I think
I would give it a six. It's a pass pretty low,
definitely pretty low for how I thought it was going
to be coming into it. I just I was unsatisfied
with Kingpin, ended up being somewhat satisfied with our new
characters we got introduced to in the season, But yeah,
I just felt like it wasn't the big firework finale
that I was hoping for and hopefully Born Again. I'm
glad that we have Born Again because if this actually
would have been the last season of Daredevil overall, I
would have looked really sour like in retro. I think
if I would have seen this show many years ago
and then just not know that Born Again was coming out,
and like.
Speaker 1: You asked me, twenty twenty five, How was Daredevil?
Speaker 2: I think I would have been soured just with how
it ended, and maybe it would have changed my recommendation factor.
But who knows. It's tough to say that because that's
not the world that we live in. But yeah, no,
I think that's what I would rate it there. And
I'm very curious on what other people are gonna think
about my thoughts because I thought that this show was
just like a stellar ten out of ten across the board.
But I also never listened to our old Daredevil reviews
that I believe Travis and Dylan dropped all those years ago,
probably live in person im measure, it would have been
that era.
Speaker 1: Of Dealer been yeah, crazy, crazy to thing. Did you
put a number on this one?
Speaker 4: I did not, yet I'd probably go with seven out
of ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't remember what I gave the season two
in terms of numbering, But yeah, just like I said already,
first part of this season was just not driving with
it fair enough?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Leads gentlemen to that closes this chapter on the Netflix,
I don't even know if it's called anymore because it's
on Disney Plus, like it's not on Netflix, anymore.
Speaker 1: But originallyd Netflix.
Speaker 2: We got Daredevil season one to three retro closed in
the books. We'll be back for Darreed Devil Born Again
a couple of weeks. Thank you for joining me, Taylor.
This was lots of fun. I always appreciate you and me.
You know, we always have names. We have nicknames now,
especially if you're tuning in the weekly Geeks. Do you
remember what ours is because we've got the pablos with you,
me and Dylan.
Speaker 1: Yeah we are. You're checking the calendar right now so
you don't remember.
Speaker 3: The two thousands, which I don't know why we're the
two thousands.
Speaker 1: Oh, partly because we love like the resident evil underworld.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, should have just been the Becon Sale boys.
That's what should have.
Speaker 4: Been the Becan Sale Boys.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we will be back joining the other lads for
Born Again, and uh, keep your on the feeds and
we'll be we'll be popping up.
Speaker 1: Bye bye, bye bye