Speaker 1: There's like some reunion con that the Lower Rings cast
was doing. And I'm sure if you've seen the clip
I put in the discord, but e mchel and they
ask him about Golm and he stands like, well, and
I only tell you about three things. And he's like, well,
Andy Circus is directing it, and it has a charen
named Ganoff and I had a character named Frodo. And
Elijah Wood is there while he's talking. Elijah Wood does
not look this off at all, but he's definitely under
He no, not as a thunder, He just definitely had a
face like I don't think you can be saying this,
whether they meant to be a surprise or whether it's way.
Speaker 2: What are they gonna do?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: What are they gonna do to him? Like, what's the
worst they could do? Is he sign a contract saying
a non disclosure agreement the men or lives a long time.
But I mean, it's not like they can do much
to this poor guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or no, I'm looking at from Elijah Wood's perspective
that he's not signed on anything yet and would kind
of maybe like to like sometimes feel negotiate, right, So
another actor just be like, oh, yeah, he's in there.
And then I don't think he know. I think Ian's
older and he was just talking having fun, but like
it is no, I think you know, you talk about
like it just kind of puts that that out there.
So so we have this last year. I'm pretty sure
didn't we talk about like Ian mckill and like, let
it slip that Viga Morrison was come back? Right? Did
he say something like that he does something he spoiled,
that he's in the movie, that Vigo's in the movie,
and Woods in the movie. I've said this before, I'll
say this again. I think I think this is a
I won't say rest before disaster, but I just don't know.
I think there's more downside than upside. And it's tough
because I get it. It can make money, people will
be there. I just don't know what we can't accomplish
with this movie still. And I even thought that one
was just about the Hunt for Gollum, but now when
it's like, oh, we're getting the whole gang back together,
so we know we're getting some bad fucking dge CGI
coming up. Hopefully it's not bad. Hopefully they make it
do very well and do like some of the like
Mando or Boba Fete Luke. You know they get that guy,
like hopefully Vigo and especially Elijah, Elijah playing like Froto
from twenty years ago. Come on now, Like I just
it's just I I know there, this is based off
some chapters. What I'm gonna say is probably sacrilege, but
I'm in this mood. I said this like last month.
I think you'll push back me. I don't care if
people can keep pushing back. I said at this point,
if Star Wars in the next couple of years doesn't
figure it out, I'm completely fine if they say, hey,
we're just gonna remake it. We're gonna start over. Hang on,
We're gonna start over, and we can go different routes.
And know why, Taylor the Canada you like you're sixty
six your Darth plagas. They doesn't have to get affected.
Nothing's affected because that stays in a nice bubble. And
you can still do animation. You can still do comics
in the original Star Wars timeline. But we're gonna get
to a point where if people reject stuff, it's like
people just want to see the sky Walker's and I
guess maybe just bring Ray back, right, I'm saying if
that's like, if they fail, I would not be opposed
because I have episodes one to nine. They're not going
anywhere I have, and or like all that doesn't go anywhere,
it's still it's the same thing. You like Michael Kean's Batman,
then go anywhere when they reboot it in Christian Bale,
his story is still there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, I got I just I see it
as very different. Star Wars is different in how DC
does their their thing and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like Harry Potter is doing it, I'm just
telling you to buckle up. I'm telling like, we're also
not that long way and here's my thing, and this
is what I'm pitching. I'm not pitching and just remake
one of the rings. I'm pitching some of that people
might not even like more. And I wonder if Kirkland,
if he's hearing this, if he's gonna get hot about it.
I would not. I would rather instead of this hunt
for Golm thing, I would rather them say, you know what,
people will be so mad. I think we found out
a story and we're gonna do a sequel to return
the King. I would rather than do that, because at
least that would be crazy. What even do though anything anything?
You know why, because it's free, it's free money. It's
all on the board. You can do whatever you want.
You don't gotta pay an extra person to go cgi whatever.
And kirkle get back me up. And I don't think
he got far, but token remember he was writing a
sequel to Lord of the Rings and he just never completed,
whether he chose not to or ran a time, but
you can look up he was writing one originally, so
even himself, so you could even fucking bullshit a little
bit and be like, oh we got you know, so
they could like buy the rights to that work. Oh
we've taken some of the because remember what the Star
Wars trilogy did, the sequel trilogy where they bought the
scripts from George, like, oh yeah, we're gonna use some
of those ideas, and they did. Luke being a hermit
was George's idea. Ray didn't have. I can't remember what
her name was, but the character of Ray was in
George's script is like the main protagonist. It was so
for everyone's like, oh fucking Disney that made this world female.
It was like no, no, no, George made Ray the main character.
His plan was, and Luke was gonna be a hermit
there too, so they could do that. Oh, we bought
the ideas from token that he had wrote, like, got
talked to some We got those ideas and we're gonna
expand upon those. I would be much more interested now.
Granted that is way bigger room for her because the
prequel it sucks. You just right off and go, oh,
whatever that's happened before, We still got those visuals. A
sequel sucking that could be very dangerous. But it's just
for me. It's like I have zero interest in what
they're gonna do with the Hunt of Gall and then
bringing back Elijah Wood and Vigo. It's like, I just
don't Again, it just feels like a pure money grab.
And that's why it's everything in Hollywood, of course is
for money, but there is always to me a perfect
balance of for money and the passion. This just feels
like a full on let's get all these actors back
so they can be in the fucking trailer and people
are gonna come pay to see their money. But yeah,
that's would say Taylor. If you had a door and
you could only walk through one. It was a get
the Hunt for Gollum or to get the fourth floor
of the Rings. What would you do?
Speaker 2: I take the Hunt for Gollum over the fourth.
Speaker 1: Floor of the Rings prequel apologist, I can't.
Speaker 2: I I don't know what story they would do first
sequel to return to the King and at this point two.
Speaker 1: And a half hours just looking for Gollum.
Speaker 2: I think with Gollum, you got the nas ghoul in there,
you got like riding on their horseback, and you got
some really cool ship where Saramond hasn't turned yet, Like
you got some really neat things.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't Christopher Lee is dead. Oh okay.
If we're going to.
Speaker 2: A concert where the Chris really is going to appear
and talk to us, I'm sure they into a movie
that's different.
Speaker 1: We're seeing Lord of Rings in concerts de Denver. They
that's he recorded that video and they have him. He
did not record scenes for the Hunt of Gollum.
Speaker 2: No, but I've been sure they could sneak him in
there somehow.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: But I just think that what I between the two,
I would take Hunt for Gollum.
Speaker 1: But if I had my pick of the litter.
Speaker 2: I'd probably take, like, give me the first the first
five minutes that intro fights in the Middle Earth that
takes place in Rings of Power that they just skimped over.
That's what I want.
Speaker 1: I want, Yeah, but they can't do that to be
in here, I want all that. They can't do any
of that going on. They don't have the rights of that.
Speaker 3: They can't do anything.
Speaker 2: Jason bullshit for thirteen.
Speaker 1: Well blame token and it is a state. I'm just saying,
you're gonna watch the Hunt for Golm in this multiverse like,
oh cool, they caught gold, and then I'd be walking
in the theater and be like, man, you wouldn't you
wouldn't believe what they did. They did this, they did this,
and you'd be like, oh, that sounds pretty cool. You'd
be getting new actors, you'd be getting more fucking Orlando
Bloom back. You get like because you get all that,
that's a good thing with this movie. You can get
everyone back because they could just be playing their age self,
don't got to do anything in his bullshit. You can
get you can get the whole fellowship back, Taylor, every
single one of them for a New Adventure we're in
danger again and the Fellowship of the Ring has to
come back.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, yeahs and goes to the just.
Speaker 1: As sure as a rock is covered in chills already.
Speaker 2: The lands of the Undying Lands, I don't think so,
Yeah he does. I was reading about it.
Speaker 1: Does like this does, and I know Sam wise does
because he was like he carried the Ring for a
little bit.
Speaker 2: Uh why is Gimley allowed to go to the Undying Lands.
I can't understand Frodo and Sam being allowed. Yeah, why
was Gimbley quarter My understanding Aman was meant for the
Immortal the exceptions taking place after the war the Ring. Uh,
let's see, Gimley was a door very much now friend.
Speaker 1: Because a friend. So it's just saying he did go.
Speaker 2: Yes, he did go to the Dying Lands.
Speaker 1: I've not read in well. My plan is to do
the audiobook hopefully this year, maybe next year, depending But yeah,
I've not read Return the Can quite a while, so
I forgot that. Because, yeah, I know Sam goes after
Rosie dies, he pimps off, but it is the kids
he does. After Rosie dies. He's like, yeah, I'm gonna
go see old kids.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna take one of those boats over there.
Speaker 1: No, Like, I love you guys, but like, what's it? Like,
I get it. They're probably like, oh yeah, they're all
set and whatnot. But it's like I soonern have grandkids,
Like Frodo chose to leave like that. That's definitely some
like something's going on with Sam and Frodo there if
he's leaving his kids to go be a fro Do Like,
I don't know, so.
Speaker 2: So you're playing off the whole idea that, Okay, Frodo's
talking to Sam. Frodo finished his book and Sam's walking
in there and photos like his room for a little
more and then he hands the book off to Sam
and then he leaves. So that's the chapter you want.
You want that Sam's Sam stories. No, he's not saying,
you're not getting Frodo and Gandalf coming back from the
u Dying Lands.
Speaker 1: Yeah you do.
Speaker 2: Oh, you don't come back from the Undying Lands though,
as you're there, it's a one way trip.
Speaker 1: Nobody's ever gone.
Speaker 2: Why why the heck would they bring Froto back from
the Undying Lands. That's why they're doing the prequel.
Speaker 1: Guess what Taylor talk to Warner Brothers and then they
can pay me and I'll write you that fucking script.
But until then, we're not gonna do it tonight. You
could say, write me get shat Gypt to say, oh,
write me a sequel or the Rings, and you'd probably
be somewhat commenced, and then let me finish that off.
Like there's again. Tolkien was writing it. So if the
guy he didn't write it, But if the guy who
created all this shit at one point in his head thought, oh,
I could do a sequel to this, he could let me.
Let me see if there's anything on here. Let's see
Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3: Sequel. That's not gonna help me. Let's see why. Oh
it's a YouTube video formautes why'd your token bandoned his?
Let's see why air.
Speaker 2: Oh, let's see. Last time I read Return of the King,
it was a long time ago. I didn't finish it.
I would have been in elementary school, and I took
it out of the our library because it was in
our library. Elementary school, for some reason, did not finish it.
I remember when The Hobbit was just one book, and
now you can get it, I think in three books
now or something like that. Because of the movies, so
that's kind of neat.
Speaker 1: Is that neat?
Speaker 2: Not really just keep it to one book. It's one story.
It's like Fantastic Beasts, you know, being broken off into
all these movies.
Speaker 3: It's hard to.
Speaker 2: God, Zella's back in theaters now. I saw it playing
at our local cinemas, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Okay, look at that. So look, this already sounds like
a chat GBT title. You know what he called the
title of the sequel was what the New Shadow. The
New Shadow was an incomplete sequel Floor Rings. Jared Token
quickly abandoned, but have come back to. It's set during
the reign of Aragon's Sun all over that. Token originally
set the story approximately one hundred and five years after
the fall of Baradu, but decided in nineteen seventy seven
to set the story in the fourth age the story resolves. Okay,
the story revolves around a cult known as Dark Tree,
two characters named Salein and Borlas. Let's see, he says,
I did begin a story place about a hundred years
ago after the downfall, but proved both sinister and depressing.
See that's the only reason you did, right, It's too
dark since we are dealing with men, it is nevible
that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature
of their nature, their quick sadie with good. Okay, So
that the people of gond Or, in times of peace, justice, prosperity,
would become disconnected, disconnected and restless, while the Dynas descended
from Aragon would become kings and governors like Denithor or
word oh Man. I found that even so early there
was an outcrop of revolutionary plots about a center secret
of Satana, satan satanistic thank you for religion. Well, Gondorian boys.
We're playing Gondorian boys. And as he said, we're playing
this is from a letter that he wrote to somebody.
We're playing to being Orcs and going around doing damage.
I could have written a thriller about the plot and
discovery and Overthorpe, but it would have taken just that
not worth doing, uh to so one point he had
after everyone's death. So there's a lot of stuff. I
wouldn't do that. But I'm just saying, there's a room
out there, Taylor, he could write it, but I digress.
What I couldn't write is so this is this is
a very I just put this in here just in
case it blows up against more. But this is just
from a one source and it came out and it's
definitely you know, like a it's not even like a
scoop because this could be something anyway. So he uh,
I don't know what the movie is. But as zoy
Krautz was doing press for a movie, and I guess
one of the press you know, was there asking questions
and they were told and that's why it could be
complete bullshit. I'm just asking you they were told that
to not ask any questions about The Batman Too, because
she's not in The Batman two. And I mean bullshit,
not saying this person is lying. I'm saying it could
just be them saying like, hey, don't say you're in
the movie until we announce it. It could be same
thing as lives would that, Hey, they haven't agreed on
money yet, so you can't say you're in. But let's
say this is true. Let's just for the sake of
its say, hey, zoy Krautz is not in The Batman too.
You said at the beginning we're tuming about this that
that would surprise you, right like, because you feel like
that's I felt like that's a given to be her
to be in there. So let's say we do eventually
here that is official non here? What do you think?
Speaker 2: I I mean, it's it's definitely a surprise to me.
They alluded to her returning at the end of the
Penguin and that's alluding to, you know, obviously the Batman
Part two with the bat symbol going up in the sky.
So it makes me wonder what their plan is. You
we know they're doing a part three, right, that's the goal.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the goal. I don't know if that's happening.
That's the goal.
Speaker 2: There's there's clearly there's two ways about this. There's clearly
let's let's say they are. The goal is. Yeah, they're
going to do the part three and that's it. It's
going to be a trilogy. And then you're done because
James Gunn's doing his things, so you have very limited
storytelling room here. So you're keeping her at bay and
then going to bring her back in part three for
some reason. Maybe there's that or the more likely thing,
I think that maybe she's just not going to play
a part with Batman anymore, and you know she does,
it'll be something very loose, but they're just going to
keep her, bring her back in for like Penguins season
two or something like that, and then that's it and
they're gonna move along because again three movies. Maybe they
just want to really highlight getting other characters in there.
Maybe they want to do a robin or something, if
they do a time jump. I don't know. I think
that they if you keep Catwoman in there, and I'm
okay with that, then you can maybe other people will
just be overwhelmed if you have too many of their
characters popping in there. I don't know. I think it's
a sandbox and they should pull from it. But maybe
they're concerned about pulling too much considering it's a very
limited window. Of course, they don't have that green lit
for number three yet, so they're just working with you.
Let this just look at this like, we only have
part two right now to work with, so let's just
maybe keep it a little bit more grounded and focus
on some other things that we want to tackle, whereas
we already have Zoe Kravitz's character focused on in the
first part. Let's move along.
Speaker 1: Before I ask, because I'm gonna go more into it,
not like a ramp. But because we're supposed to do
this on newscasts, we didn't. Things changed, and Maddie asks,
just dealing myself on gvdam Oh, Taylor Kirkle, and we'll
talk about just things happen. Do you What are your
thoughts on if Robin's in the Batman Part two?
Speaker 2: What are my thoughts?
Speaker 1: Do you like that? Especially?
Speaker 2: I'd like to see more Robin?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And you still like that the sense of like,
remember if the James guns Batman's happening, that's about Batman
and Robin. Granted that's his son, but it's still like
Batman and Robin's story as well.
Speaker 2: Yep, and I'd be down for it. I feel like,
when was the last time about Robin? When was the
last time Dark Knight Rises, Dark Knight Rising? Even then, Robin,
you should use your real name. It was only a
half Robin. Yeah, so yeah, you can see some more.
I'm down to see some more Robin here.
Speaker 1: I mean, really, two Batman movies back to back, we
haven't gone and years down to get them.
Speaker 2: I'm down. I'ven't listened to the theme for Batman forever lately,
so oh yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1: Same guy that did the Interview with the Vampire. It's crazy.
There's tons of tracks, not the show but the movie.
If you listen to the movie soundtrack for Interview with
the Vampire and Batman Forever, because they're only your part,
there's some parts that are identical in there. Often do that.
That's crazy. You should there it's identical. But I really
like his style. But yeah, I've talked about that before.
I don't think that's a good idea if there's two
Batman because to me, I've said this before, if you're
gonna actually do two Batman's at the same time, you
want them to be as different as possible. I think
if both movies have a Robin that's not different as possible,
that's very similar. And you brought up a good point,
and that's where for me, let's say we'd live in
a universe for all this is true, right, everything happens
where Okay, Matt Reeves's Batman's gonna happen, and then we're
gonna get brave and bold. For me, I'm getting my
Robin Phil right there, even though I Dick grade Sin's
my favorite. So I'd hope that's the Robin and the
Baton Part two. But the way you pitch it, of
which I agree of let's say get the baton part two. Okay,
so you have Bruce's connection with Alfred you have to do.
You have this connection with Gordon you have to do
and you would have to have this connection with Seina
to do. So if you do Robin, that's four and
not saying you can't do that, but that's a lot
of characters for Bruce to really interact, right that's not
even count the villain, that's not counting side characters, and
as time as Batman, that's a lot. So I could
see if you're looking at dartboard of characters you have
to cut. You can't cut Alfred. You're gonna came with
it to me. You can't cut Alfred. He's, you know,
a guy in the chair. You can't cut Gordon because
he's a guy on the ground and he's gonna give
the bat single. So like catwom would be the one
to cut. But when you put it that way, then
I would say I don't want Robin then right now,
Like I again, I love Dick Grayson, I love Robin.
Ellie's middle name is Grayson because of that very fact.
But for me, it's just like it's a time and
a place, And for me, I thought they, like you said,
with Penguin, they you know, were really setting her up.
I still think even the end of the Batman they're
sitting up at this will happen again. The only way,
and I'm not even happy with this. I guess the
only way I would feel of it less of a
blow is at the times then they'd be like, yeah,
we'd like to do more, you know, the Batman stuff
in HBO. If they say, hey, she's not in Batman too,
but we are going to do a Catwoman showing HBO
like Penguin, then I'd say, okay, you know what, that's
I can work with that, because then, and also though
it has to come with the idea of Batman three's happening,
we're living a world where I don't think that's happening.
I hope it does. But if we get to a
situation where let's say there's no Catwoman show and they
do Batman too, and it's great, but whatever they end
it like same thing like Snyer could have ended, and
there's a catwoman's just in the Batman, that feels very
odd to me that feels like that's an unclosed loop
right there with that what they said up and granted
they didn't know that Gun was gonna take over and
there's gonna be shared universal this stuff, right, but to me,
that's where I would I think it's risky. So my
hope is that they are just fucking around. They're just
saying that to the press that hey, yeah, she's not
in for whatever reason, because I think there could be
even then, like for Slena to see Bruce adopting or
even Batman adopting a kid. I think there's like some
I don't know, there's tons of potential and the Colm
ex animation of show like, there's tons of story there.
But again, just the current state, I would rather than
focus on the Bruce and Selena dynamic than a Bruce
and Robin or Slash Dick one. So I hope this
is not a true thing. But if she is, it's
I don't know, because I don't see us getting a
show anytime soon. I think it is very much like Superman.
Where Superman came out, did I think well enough for
them that they start going in production and talk about
all these other projects. I think for us with the
Batman three and shows on HBO. We're really not gonna
know until that that sequel comes out, right, because I
really hope. I know it sounds bad, it's petty, but whatever,
call me petty. I hope when the Batman two comes
out it does better than Superman. So then you can't
say like, well, because if it does the same or less,
I think it's over. I think unless they convince Matt
Reeves to join DCU. But if it does more, I
don't know how you tell your boss, how you tell
shareholders like, yeah, the most profitable DC movie we have
right now going, We're not going to do it again
because it's not my you know, my shared universe or
all my toys together, and I have nothing to do
with it. I think, as like zaz Love other people,
they'd look at you and be like, I don't know
if you should be the head of DC Studios. It
might suck, but like, just because at that point of
it does two, you just uh fuck k. Just let
them finish three and then tell them like, hey, I
have for three though you're done, Like you said, trilogy,
you're going to a trilogy. Let's move along, and I've
because to me, it's like it's not like there's a
lack of DC characters, Like obviously Matt Reeves took a
long time to get the script done, but like like
between One Woman and they're talking about doing the super Fan,
like there's so many DC characters you can do in
the meantime, Like Batman can join the Justice League at
any point. It be a big deal. You don't have
to have them there. So I hope this isn't true,
and it's not true. I hope there's a show, but yeah,
I hope that. Luckily, it does sound like The Batman
is going into production spring, so the good thing is
either late fall or early next year, we're gonna start
getting casting and man, that's gonna be fun and we're
gonna know if she's back or not. And uh, I hope, so,
I really do. So if super mix sus if Batman
two makes over eight hundred million, we're for sure getting
part three would be financially irresponsible. Otherwise I still think
seven hundred because I think because I think what Batman
Part one, it's like it's like seven to seventy or something.
That Man's box office I got, I got, I'm already
I'm already being Yeah, seven hundred and seven seven millions.
That's but that's not how you say it. It's seven
hundred and seventy two million to But yeah, for me,
I believe if it just beats Superman. In my opinion,
where are you do you think it has to like
just beat Superman? Hit what hit before? Or do like
what Mike says, eight hundred million? Like, what do you
think is the point of Batman three? Is guaranteed.
Speaker 2: Guaranteed?
Speaker 1: Okay, the closest to being guaranteed. Nothing is guaranteed, but
let's say the closest if he's a betting man, like, hey,
what number do you think we got to hit? Mm?
Because if it beats Superman by one million, would you
think that's enough?
Speaker 2: I think that's enough.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I think that answer that is a big statement. And
James Gunn would be he'd be he'd be looking at that,
he'd be inspecting that spreadsheet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we will see. All right, let's take our
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