Speaker 1: All right, let's get at draft time Monday afternoon, ten
Speaker 1: minutes past the hour, at two o'clock. It is a
Speaker 1: lovely day outside. It's about eighty degrees and sunny here
Speaker 1: in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. About one hundred and
Speaker 1: seven degrees in the studio. But we traverse on. We
Speaker 1: are pirates, okay, masonry, and here just swinging the pick
Speaker 1: in the X mine for the next well not four
Speaker 1: hours today. We say good night early, don't we. We're
Speaker 1: gonna say good night about five o'clock tonight, and then
Speaker 1: we're gonna send it over to ESPN Radio's live coverage
Speaker 1: of the NBA Draft lottery. It could be one of
Speaker 1: the biggest days in the history of the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 1: It could be I believe actually Smith Ryan's wife, of
Speaker 1: course Smith Entertainment Group. I believe actually will be the
Speaker 1: jazz rep our buddy Andy Larson boots on the ground
Speaker 1: from the Salt Lake Tribune. I'm sure we'll get Andy
Speaker 1: on this week to talk about his experience. Jazz have
Speaker 1: a fourteen percent chance of grabbing the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: They cannot fall past five, Okay, So a lot of
Speaker 1: analysts believe this is a five player draft, so the
Speaker 1: Jazz should be able to grab a big time talent
Speaker 1: no matter where they're drafting. Of course, the prize is
Speaker 1: Young Cooper Flag from Duke University. Cooper turned eighteen, I
Speaker 1: believe it was in January or December, so he's still
Speaker 1: very young. But Dylan Harper, as Bailey, vj Edgecombe, a
Speaker 1: lot of other names, and we'll talk about them on
Speaker 1: the show today to get you ready for tonight and
Speaker 1: help you understand and get to know potentially who these
Speaker 1: players are. And hopefully Jazz will be able to get
Speaker 1: a little luck in a way that they have never
Speaker 1: been able to get luck over the course of their
Speaker 1: fifty year existence. So big, big day, big night for
Speaker 1: Jazz fans. We got you covered on the show today.
Speaker 1: Then of course we'll have the covered live and then
Speaker 1: obviously the NBA playoffs continue to be phenomenally entertaining. But
Speaker 1: the big news that broke today is, according to Sham
Speaker 1: sure aren't you from ESPN to Sante Tocoombo for the
Speaker 1: first time is open to a trade. Now we'll get
Speaker 1: into this because topically with the NBA draft lottery today,
Speaker 1: there's some interesting synergies as far as the position the
Speaker 1: Jazz find themselves in now, and why nobody this morning
Speaker 1: that I listened to were watched going over the myriad
Speaker 1: of trade options for Giannis even uttered the Jazz as
Speaker 1: an option. Okay, so we'll get into some of that
Speaker 1: stuff on the show today and talk some NBA basketball
Speaker 1: and talk some big picture NBA playoff stuff. After the
Speaker 1: lottery is over tonight, it will be tied for more
Speaker 1: playoff basketball. This is This might be the biggest game
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks had played since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even kidding. I know it's only the
Speaker 1: second round, but that's how anemic this organization has been,
Speaker 1: more or less for about twenty five years. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go out on a limb. Not a hot take guy.
Speaker 1: You guys know that by now. But I think whoever
Speaker 1: wins the game tonight wins this series. Okay, we'll get
Speaker 1: into it. Nick Celtics five point thirty Mountain Time on
Speaker 1: on ESPN. Of course, the Next still lead that series
Speaker 1: two to one. After getting smoked at home by Boston,
Speaker 1: next went up to TD Gard and grabbed a couple,
Speaker 1: then lost at MSG. Talked about this yesterday. Boston is
Speaker 1: historically good on the road. They're actually much better on
Speaker 1: the road than at home this year. I still am
Speaker 1: very skeptical of the nex ability to get to a
Speaker 1: couple of more games against this team unless injuries happen
Speaker 1: and then interesting game. Minnesota leads the Warriors two to
Speaker 1: one now and Golden State they've just got to get
Speaker 1: one more and give Steph a little more time for
Speaker 1: him to come back. So two really big games in
Speaker 1: pro basketball tonight. Fun week. Last week if you are
Speaker 1: a fan of the Utah Mammoth, the NHL team we
Speaker 1: have in our market where we could go. We found
Speaker 1: out that the Utah Mammoth will be picking fourth in
Speaker 1: the NHL draft. They moved up ten spots, so the
Speaker 1: Jazz will try to duplicate that luck tonight. And then
Speaker 1: we have the official name change from the Utah Hockey
Speaker 1: Club to the Utah Mammoth. Stanley Cup playoffs rolling along,
Speaker 1: I believe I read today almost half of the games
Speaker 1: have been decided by only one goal, a lot of
Speaker 1: late game heroics and such. So we'll do a little
Speaker 1: NHL on the program today. Some NFL offseason stuff, looks
Speaker 1: like the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson have cut off contract talks,
Speaker 1: which is wild to me. Trey has more sacks than
Speaker 1: any player in the NFL of the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: So some NFL offseason's Rookie MIDI camp. We saw Caleb
Speaker 1: Lohner for the first time in a Denver Bronco jersey
Speaker 1: and should Her Sanders is throwing in Cleveland. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the rookies are getting their feet wet learning
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a professional football player. RSL
Speaker 1: with a draw over the weekend. Another wonder strike from
Speaker 1: Diego Luna who now has seven goals through twelve games.
Speaker 1: And that kid is just his star is shining. It
Speaker 1: was another great goals with his left foot off the
Speaker 1: post and went into the back of the net. RSL
Speaker 1: with another red card our guy Willy Goles shout out
Speaker 1: Williegata red card for Willie so he'll be out on
Speaker 1: Wednesday against Portland. So well, do a little soccer on
Speaker 1: the show today as well. We are jam packed, going
Speaker 1: to be back on air after taking Friday off. Was
Speaker 1: down south playing little golf in Saint George. Beautiful time
Speaker 1: down there as always. Maybe we'll do a little story
Speaker 1: time later for board but we're jam packed. First guest
Speaker 1: today will be Kurt Schmidt, the technical director for Real
Speaker 1: Salt Lake. Kurt's take on the current form of the
Speaker 1: club and his hopes for the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: and maybe a little peek into the summer transfer window.
Speaker 1: The next time RSL is able to add talent to
Speaker 1: the group, it'll bring in Tom Haberstrow today NBA Daily
Speaker 1: Assists style. We'll do some draft lottery, we'll do some jazz,
Speaker 1: we'll get ready for the game tonight and talk about
Speaker 1: this news that Giannis might be on the move. Good
Speaker 1: friend of the show, Tony Parks, the voice of the
Speaker 1: Salt Lake Bees, will join us in the studio. We'll
Speaker 1: do a lot of jazz, a lot of lottery with Tony.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to a bunch of stuff with Tony
Speaker 1: on the program today, and then we will say goodnight
Speaker 1: at five o'clock straight up and send you live to
Speaker 1: ESPN's coverage of the Draft lottery. So Kurt Schmidt, Tom Haberstrow,
Speaker 1: Tony Parks, Me Spence Check, it's all of you, the
Speaker 1: great listeners, and that guy Porter Larson on a Monday.
Speaker 1: Happy Monday, buddy, how was your weekend? It was swell.
Speaker 1: How was yours? It was good at desert in the desert,
Speaker 1: we had nice weather. Three straight days of golf. Noise,
Speaker 1: they'll tread off the tires the lower back. You know,
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you get older. But did you
Speaker 1: play fifty four holes of golf? Is that three rounds?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, three straight days, so fifty four total holes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one one more and we'll get that score up there.
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see how close you are to can
Speaker 3: contend for a major.
Speaker 1: I'm not close to contending for a major. I did
Speaker 1: break eighty a copper Rock though, that felt good. I
Speaker 1: shot a seventy eight. That felt okay.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a that's a legitimately good score, regardless
Speaker 3: kind of the like an easy course. If you're still shooting,
Speaker 3: you know, lower single digits, that's a that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Mess job. Michael Jordan hired as a commentator on NBC
Speaker 1: Once upon a time, A, uh, didn't you caddy for
Speaker 1: him or something? And I remember in that correct.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a few kind of random connections, right
Speaker 3: My my dad did electrical for him for a moment,
Speaker 3: and then yeah, I ended up with the connections at
Speaker 3: a at a golf course and worked with him. I
Speaker 3: was a member services coordinator at one point, so I
Speaker 3: literally was sometimes taking Michael Jordan to his tea box
Speaker 3: and sometimes whiskey and cigars to them as well. And
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, I'm super surprised that guy
Speaker 3: likes his retirement. Even when he was like gainfully employed
Speaker 3: with the Hornets thing.
Speaker 1: He is never around, eh.
Speaker 3: Like I think I told you this story on air
Speaker 3: before the the off season where they had like the
Speaker 3: most cap room ever and they just signed Nick Patum.
Speaker 1: He was golfing the whole week. I watched him.
Speaker 3: I was there, and like, if you're mj you have
Speaker 3: an opportunity with your like your person to have an
Speaker 3: effect on those types of situations, and he just didn't.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 3: The most that I've seen him like put into something
Speaker 3: in his retirement is NASCAR. He has two NASCAR teams
Speaker 3: that he's like pretty involved in, and this is a
Speaker 3: difference there.
Speaker 1: The media thing is is certainly new.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be interested in it because, like you, I
Speaker 3: just don't know how much he's gonna put into it
Speaker 3: and how interested he might be. But that might be
Speaker 3: a really fun Michael Jordan to get on a mic
Speaker 3: for a few for a few shows, Oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And if you need a little liquid courage because I
Speaker 1: think he's yes, I think is it tequila with him?
Speaker 3: Or is it wis it's tequila rum whiskey it I
Speaker 3: don't know. It depends on which crew he's with, because
Speaker 3: there's like a it looks like a a crew like
Speaker 3: overtakes the golf course when you're with MJ. Because you
Speaker 3: don't have two people to a to a cart. They
Speaker 3: all have their own and they all just kind of
Speaker 3: drive wherever they want. It's kind of fun to see
Speaker 3: because they did play like eight people on a hole
Speaker 3: at the same time, and it's kind of a party
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 1: It's good to be Michael Jordan. Do you remember when
Speaker 1: randomly Karl Malone just started showing up around the Jazz
Speaker 1: was like, I should be an assistant coach here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Randy Rigby, bless his heart, sweetest man in the world.
Speaker 1: Is that sure? Why wouldn't we want Carl involved? And
Speaker 1: I remember when I heard the announcement, I'm like, that
Speaker 1: won't last. Like being a coach is hard, it's hard work.
Speaker 1: To be a coach in the NBA. I don't care
Speaker 1: who you are. And after two weeks Carl was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, I kind of like hunting in my freedom.
Speaker 1: Best of luck. Derek Favors and his canter Rudy go like,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. Part of me feels like MJ's
Speaker 1: gonna realize what it's like to have to show up
Speaker 1: on time and not have the freedom that he typically has,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I'm not sure that'll last.
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 3: That's kind of where I'm at. I'm excited for it.
Speaker 3: I think it'll be cool, it'll be fun, it'll be entertaining.
Speaker 3: But I do wonder if it's long standing, if it's
Speaker 3: kind of this one off thing, because yeah, like you have,
Speaker 3: I've noticed Mike likes his free time his retirement.
Speaker 1: Yes he does. All right, We're bringing Kurt Schmid today
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Speaker 1: change is tonight's NBA Draft lottery. Now, what you don't
Speaker 1: want to be is a fan of a team where
Speaker 1: this is the most exciting night on your calendar. You
Speaker 1: don't want to have that as part of your reality
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of a pro basketball team. But
Speaker 1: that's where we're at with the Utah Jazz. It is
Speaker 1: a big, big night because it really could shape the
Speaker 1: future and change your trajectory. That the Jazz are on
Speaker 1: right now for a few different reasons. The most obvious
Speaker 1: reason this Cooper flag is awesome and very young and
Speaker 1: built as a modern day cornerstone type player with great
Speaker 1: size and multiple positions, can guard a bunch of different positions,
Speaker 1: can put it on the floor he is already a
Speaker 1: capable outside shooter. He finishes with force at the rim,
Speaker 1: and he's a really really good defensive player both at
Speaker 1: the rim and on the perimeter where you can switch
Speaker 1: and have a bunch of differ actions Like simply getting
Speaker 1: Cooper flag would be a massive, massive thing for this organization.
Speaker 1: But today is interesting to discuss what tonight could mean. Okay,
Speaker 1: so if you missed it about I don't know, two
Speaker 1: or three hours ago, sham Charti comes out of his
Speaker 1: tweet that Giannis Ante de Combo is now open to
Speaker 1: being traded from the Milwaukee Bucks to a new team.
Speaker 1: Reminds me a little bit of Kevin Garnett. For you
Speaker 1: older NBA fans, KG, the big ticket back in the day,
Speaker 1: gave Minnesota about a decade and change of his career
Speaker 1: and was awesome for them, and they never were able
Speaker 1: to build a team around him that was championship worthy.
Speaker 1: They had one really good team that went to the
Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals when they made some moves to grab
Speaker 1: Sam Cassell and Latrell Spreewell former Nick Whether he was
Speaker 1: in Minnesota with KG, and they went to the conference finals.
Speaker 1: But that was as close as KG got to the
Speaker 1: trophy in Minnesota. So after a decade, he's like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm getting older. I gave you ten great years and
Speaker 1: I want to go try to win a championship, so
Speaker 1: I would like you to trade me to An. And
Speaker 1: that's when Danny ahe pulled off one of the great
Speaker 1: trades of that era, grabbing Kevin Garnett in Boston a
Speaker 1: pair with Paul Pierce, and then they made the deal
Speaker 1: with grab Ray Allen and that was a really, really
Speaker 1: good Celtic team that won a championship and made kg
Speaker 1: an NBA champ. Right. So yeah, the difference here is
Speaker 1: Giannis has won a championship in Milwaukee, but after that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one championship season, they have one playoff win,
Speaker 1: They've won one series since their trophy, and they've lost
Speaker 1: in the first round for three straight years now. Mark
Speaker 1: Lazari is a very well respected owner that appears to
Speaker 1: be a very decent man and kind of unlike the
Speaker 1: Denver Nuggets, who I still think when Nikola Jokich's career
Speaker 1: is over, I think we're gonna have a real conversation
Speaker 1: about whether or not Denver did enough to surround Jokic
Speaker 1: for a long enough period of time to see exactly
Speaker 1: what he could be as the cornerstone of a team
Speaker 1: with really good teammates. Remember, Nicola Jokic is still not
Speaker 1: played with another All Star in Denver. Yet they are
Speaker 1: still in the playoffs. They're tied to too with Oklahoma City.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna win the series, but a
Speaker 1: couple of years removed from winning a championship. It's the
Speaker 1: brilliance of Jokich, but Denver, to me, has done him
Speaker 1: a big time to service. Milwaukee did not do that
Speaker 1: with Yannis. Once they realized they needed to change something
Speaker 1: to probably give themselves the best chance of holding on
Speaker 1: to Giannis, they went and they made a big time
Speaker 1: trade and paid a lot of money and are on
Speaker 1: the hook for a lot of money for our local legend,
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard, who unfortunately will probably miss all of the
Speaker 1: next season. And if he comes back, will he look
Speaker 1: the same? You know at that age in Achilles is
Speaker 1: just a tough thing. So so I understand this dynamic
Speaker 1: with Giannis, especially if Dame's on the sideline, like you
Speaker 1: just don't have a chance and Milwaukee does not have
Speaker 1: a lot of draft capital. The next trade that they
Speaker 1: can or achise me. The next pick that they can trade,
Speaker 1: they can trade one of their twenty thirty one or
Speaker 1: their twenty thirty two first rounders. So the next pick
Speaker 1: they can trade is in six in seven years. You
Speaker 1: cannot trade consecutive first round picks. That's why they could
Speaker 1: only choose one or the other. But they don't have
Speaker 1: a lot to improve their team with. So the reason
Speaker 1: I bring it up through the paradigm and the prism
Speaker 1: of Okay Tonight's draft lottery. Ultimately, after I saw the
Speaker 1: tweet from Shams, I went and listened to some serious
Speaker 1: XMMBA radio guys. I turned on some of the daily
Speaker 1: ESPN and Fox NBA shows, and ultimately I feel like
Speaker 1: almost every team was mentioned that is in this space
Speaker 1: of having a compendium, shout out trade of assets, picks,
Speaker 1: the salary cap space like Brooklyn was brought up over
Speaker 1: and over and over, and nobody brought up the Jazz Okay.
Speaker 1: So and here's why, it's actually pretty simple all these
Speaker 1: other teams. So the other interesting dynamic here is the
Speaker 1: front runner, according to what you know Bobby Marks was
Speaker 1: talking about today. He believes it's Oklahoma City, Okay. So
Speaker 1: the other thing that's being brought up here. Where the
Speaker 1: Jazz should at least have a mention is we're not
Speaker 1: hearing Miami. We're not hearing New York. We're not hearing
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. We're hearing Oklahoma City, smaller market than the Jazz,
Speaker 1: smaller market in Salt Lake. We're hearing San Antonio. I
Speaker 1: always remind everybody San Antonio is actually a smaller market,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to disparage these other cities. And
Speaker 1: maybe I can get a little defensive because I've lived
Speaker 1: in Salt Lake for over twenty years now, and I
Speaker 1: understand the oddities of our market and the dynamic that
Speaker 1: makes this kind of an interesting place for certain people
Speaker 1: to try to exist. It's saw Lake is so much
Speaker 1: better in San Antonio. It's so much better in Oklahoma City,
Speaker 1: places I've been multiple times. And so ultimately, what this
Speaker 1: comes down to is Milwaukee is probably not going to
Speaker 1: be in a space where they just want to go
Speaker 1: all in and then rebuild. They're probably looking for a
Speaker 1: trade partner like Oklahoma City, who actually has more draft
Speaker 1: assets than the Jazz. But here's the roup. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: where the Jazz have failed Oklahoma City throughout their rebuild.
Speaker 1: They have stockpiled good young players. So if you're Milwaukee
Speaker 1: and Sam Presty calls you about Yannis, you can say, okay,
Speaker 1: I want five unprotected picks, right, three to five, you know,
Speaker 1: three picks, two swaps. It's probably gonna take like Brooklyn
Speaker 1: traded mckel bridges for five picks. Janis obviously is twice
Speaker 1: the player mckel Bridges is, all due respect, it's probably
Speaker 1: gonna take five picks. And then they're probably going to say, okay,
Speaker 1: and we got to talk about Jaalen Williams. Sam will
Speaker 1: say Sga is untouchable, right, but he can you know,
Speaker 1: Sam can throw in a Jalen Williams maybe even you
Speaker 1: look at Chet right, you do that because Jannis is
Speaker 1: thirty years old. He takes incredible care of his body.
Speaker 1: You do trade a Jalen Williams or a chet Holme
Speaker 1: Grin and five unprotected first for five years of Shay
Speaker 1: and Giannis. You do that. Okay, So the Jazz have
Speaker 1: the draft assets, but who are you really gonna If
Speaker 1: you're Milwaukee and you can talk to San Antono, who
Speaker 1: has a lot of really good, exciting young players, you
Speaker 1: can talk to Oklahoma City who has a lot of good,
Speaker 1: really exciting young players. Who are you going to ask
Speaker 1: for from the Jazz outside of marketing? And I love Lowry,
Speaker 1: but that's not enough to get it done. Jalen Williams
Speaker 1: is a better player than Larry Marketing in my opinion.
Speaker 1: So while the Jazz have all of these assets and
Speaker 1: clean books, they just don't have tangible pieces. They don't
Speaker 1: have good young players, like nobody knows who Keyante is
Speaker 1: and I think Isaiah's got a little something. But that's
Speaker 1: what makes tonight interesting, and that's what makes tonight massive
Speaker 1: if you're a jazz fan, because what could change everything
Speaker 1: right away is the Jazz getting the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: Because when you have good young players, other players want
Speaker 1: to come play for you. Right now, there's nobody that
Speaker 1: is attracting anybody that's on the Jazz roster. So that's
Speaker 1: what makes tonight really really big. We're about two and
Speaker 1: a half hours away coming off and draw another goal
Speaker 1: from Diego, technical director for the local soccer club. Here
Speaker 1: for Raal salt Lake. I always funny. Catch up Schmid Kurt,
Speaker 1: happy money buddy. How are we doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm good? Buddy, I'm good right out of the gates.
Speaker 1: Is Diego better already than you ever thought he could be?
Speaker 1: Like when you first saw him play and started to
Speaker 1: scout him, Is he has he even superseded your expectations
Speaker 1: for him?
Speaker 6: You know, that's a good question. He's definitely better now
Speaker 6: than I thought he would be part of the first
Speaker 6: time I saw him play, but as we scouted him
Speaker 6: more in USL and for me, the moment where it
Speaker 6: really clicked was actually down in Argentina that he was
Speaker 6: at a U twenty camp and I was down there
Speaker 6: scouting some games and one of them was the U
Speaker 6: twenty's playing River Plate Reserves, and so he came off
Speaker 6: the bench in that game, and they didn't really bring
Speaker 6: a lot of strikers, so I think they only had
Speaker 6: one nine in the group, and so the nine started
Speaker 6: and then they brought Diego on at the nine and
Speaker 6: he he just the whole game. And obviously it was
Speaker 6: the reserves at River, so it wasn't maybe the most
Speaker 6: elite level at the moment, but it's still a pretty
Speaker 6: good level for that age group. And uh, and watching
Speaker 6: him sort of change the game in that environment just
Speaker 6: gave me a.
Speaker 2: Real glimpse of what he could do.
Speaker 6: It's given the chance and given the right platform, and honestly,
Speaker 6: you know, he's he's obviously continuing to fill that. I
Speaker 6: don't want to say he's done. I think he's continuing
Speaker 6: to grow. You know, you see it every week. But
Speaker 6: that was the moment for me. And you know, I
Speaker 6: got some some really good feedback on him from from
Speaker 6: from my friend of mine who's actually his coach and
Speaker 6: opastor at the time, who you know, couldn't couldn't speak
Speaker 6: more highly of him as a person, as a character,
Speaker 6: and thought that he you know, he was someone that
Speaker 6: really had to drive to succeed. And I put a
Speaker 6: lot of trust in that as well, So you know,
Speaker 6: that was sort of the story there.
Speaker 1: Are you aware that there is a very famous Mexican
Speaker 1: actor and director named Diego Luna. I just did a
Speaker 1: little Google search and I just learned that today. Are
Speaker 1: you aware of that?
Speaker 2: I am aware.
Speaker 6: I had to approve Diego's the meeting of the two
Speaker 6: Diegos a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Oh all right, We'll learned something new every day. Let
Speaker 1: me follow up. And you referenced when you were first
Speaker 1: scouting him that the club he was with did bring
Speaker 1: him on as a nine, and more often than not,
Speaker 1: at least from my prism, he has been asked by
Speaker 1: you guys to be more of a distributor and more
Speaker 1: of a creative player. And you just look at his
Speaker 1: stats over the years, more assists. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: like he hasn't been scoring goals, but he's scoring goals
Speaker 1: at such a high level. Did you know he had
Speaker 1: this type of goal scoring prowess because for me, it's
Speaker 1: always been more of like a central attacking midfielder that
Speaker 1: provides service to the strikers up top.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, that's sort of the wrap for an
Speaker 6: attacking midfielders. There'supposed to be more provider than goals for
Speaker 6: But when he first started in Alpasso as a very
Speaker 6: young player, he was playing like a left sided forward essentially,
Speaker 6: not really a a ten, not really a nine, but
Speaker 6: he would come off the left where you know, he
Speaker 6: actually played a lot of time for us as well,
Speaker 6: and just create a lot of danger, be very goal
Speaker 6: oriented and so you know, I think that was part
Speaker 6: of his appeal in USL, part of the things, you know,
Speaker 6: one of the things that drew people and drew us
Speaker 6: to him. Was his ability to be productive in front
Speaker 6: of goal. And I think you know, the question is always, okay,
Speaker 6: player is productive at a lower level, can he be
Speaker 6: productive at a higher level, And that's the big question mark.
Speaker 6: And obviously if if he doesn't score goals at the
Speaker 6: lower level, then the odds of him scoring goals at
Speaker 6: our level are not very high. But even players that
Speaker 6: do score, let's say in the USL, don't always translate.
Speaker 6: And so we knew we had that potential in him,
Speaker 6: and I think honestly, the first year and a half
Speaker 6: or so with us, it was actually about getting him
Speaker 6: to be more comfortable being that goal oriented. And I
Speaker 6: know Pavel's talked a lot about getting him to work
Speaker 6: on the defensive side, and I think that was also
Speaker 6: a big part of it. But on the on the
Speaker 6: attacking side, it wasn't just about getting your touches.
Speaker 2: On the ball.
Speaker 6: You know, if him if he's receiving passes, cybrid passes
Speaker 6: from center backs like that wasn't something that we were
Speaker 6: interested in or that he should be interested in.
Speaker 2: It was it was about being decisive.
Speaker 6: In the final third and getting him to to add
Speaker 6: those counting stats to his to his lineman. So he's
Speaker 6: he's obviously done that a lot last year and then
Speaker 6: so far for us this year. But yeah, that's one
Speaker 6: of the things that truth to him.
Speaker 1: Honestly twenty one excuse me, twenty one years old, so
Speaker 1: of course, uh, he is not close to a finished product,
Speaker 1: what if anything? And you know, there's part of this
Speaker 1: current that kind of reminds me of a conversation that
Speaker 1: people used to have about Nicki Rimando, where you know,
Speaker 1: if Nick was six three six', four probably A european, keeper,
Speaker 1: right probably a guy that could have played in a
Speaker 1: number of leagues and maybe the biggest of. Leagues And
Speaker 1: diego suddenly is not going to change his body. Composition
Speaker 1: he's not going to Become Anderson Julio. Fast, so, LIKE
Speaker 1: i guess that's just some context BEFORE i ask, you
Speaker 1: what do you think Think diego needs to improve? Upon
Speaker 1: should he have these aspirations of playing in some of
Speaker 1: the bigger leagues In?
Speaker 6: Europe, YEAH i don't think it's about adding you, know
Speaker 6: a whole lot of different things to his game than
Speaker 6: what you see from him right. Now it's really about
Speaker 6: being more consistent and the having consistent quality to his
Speaker 6: decision making the final third and his actions in the
Speaker 6: final third, Especially but you, know as once you show
Speaker 6: you can do these, things you, know for for a young,
Speaker 6: player the real challenge and one of the reasons people
Speaker 6: you just like quote experienced players more is because those
Speaker 6: players have learned how to be, consistent how to kind
Speaker 6: of perform at a consistent level on a consistent. Basis
Speaker 6: and so that's that's.
Speaker 2: Really what it is for.
Speaker 6: Him and so as he's building, on you, know his statistical,
Speaker 6: seasons it's it's just about being, consistent you, know from
Speaker 6: from season to, season from game to, game from play
Speaker 6: to play within the, game and being switched on all
Speaker 6: the time and just you, know being a guy that
Speaker 6: people can rely. On, so you, KNOW i think he's
Speaker 6: showing that now for. Sure but it isn't about adding
Speaker 6: a whole lot of different. THINGS i think he's shown
Speaker 6: the player he is and the things he can, do
Speaker 6: and it's just about continuing to do them over and over.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: Again i'll bring out the fact that he's twenty, one
Speaker 1: just because it feels like you guys are asking him
Speaker 1: to just shoulder a big. Load and you, know, Tonight
Speaker 1: kurt is THE Nba draft, Lottery so we were doing
Speaker 1: SOME nba earlier And joannest wants out Of, milwaukee and you,
Speaker 1: know kind of a conversation about teams relying heavily on
Speaker 1: one individual talent and then it's the job of people
Speaker 1: like you whose decisions are intertwined into constructing the roster
Speaker 1: to make sure the talent is. Supported, Right, so do
Speaker 1: you feel like he has enough around him or do
Speaker 1: you feel like you guys are asking him to do a.
Speaker 6: Lot you, know asking him to do a Lot at the,
Speaker 6: MOMENT i think he's picking up some. Slack whether we're you,
Speaker 6: know explicitly saying, hey you got to do this or
Speaker 6: else or anything like, THAT i don't, know but he.
Speaker 6: Is he is picking up a lot of slack right,
Speaker 6: now which is great for us and it's great for
Speaker 6: him and his. DEVELOPMENT i think we can continue to
Speaker 6: build pieces around. HIM i think he's got some good
Speaker 6: pieces around, him you, know but.
Speaker 2: We can continue to add those pieces that.
Speaker 6: Can that can highlight him a little, bit that can.
Speaker 2: Push him and that can contribute to. Success.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely all.
Speaker 1: Right so last year summer transfer, window you guys brought
Speaker 1: in a number of pieces AND i can remember talking
Speaker 1: to both you And pablo And JASON toni everybody about
Speaker 1: the decision to bring In, diogo who on your roster
Speaker 1: is the only designated, Player and there were moments last
Speaker 1: year where you could see the, quality but it felt
Speaker 1: like the walking line Was diego needs a preseason With
Speaker 1: pablo and with this staff so he can acclimate to
Speaker 1: what we're asking him to, do so he can acclimate
Speaker 1: to playing at, altitude so he can acclimate to playing
Speaker 1: In major league. Soccer at what, Point, kurt do we
Speaker 1: kind of look at this entire situation and, wonder you,
Speaker 1: know whether or not he is going to get this?
Speaker 1: Right and maybe there are Things i'm not. Seeing and,
Speaker 1: again there are moments, Right and that's WHY i don't
Speaker 1: want to BE i approach this job is more observation
Speaker 1: and not conclusion or dismiss ER. ANOI i, mean this
Speaker 1: is a, long long. Season it's a it's a season
Speaker 1: that is a, marathon as we talked about. Before but
Speaker 1: at what point do we kind of look at the
Speaker 1: thing and wonder or not if maybe the evaluation was?
Speaker 1: Off is that?
Speaker 2: Fair?
Speaker 6: Look players all adapt at different, rates And i'm not
Speaker 6: someone who thinks preseason is a magical period of time
Speaker 6: where where everyone can can discover their form and become
Speaker 6: the player that they, want that they that we want
Speaker 6: them to. BE i think it's really just about time
Speaker 6: with a, coach time with your, teammates and time in a.
Speaker 6: League and you, know more time equals more, adaptation which
Speaker 6: equals more comfort and confidence and should equal higher quality.
Speaker 6: Play and different players need different amounts of. Time some
Speaker 6: players can hit the ground, running you, know as In,
Speaker 6: seattle we Signed Nicolas ladero and he hit the ground
Speaker 6: running day one and and didn't need any time to
Speaker 6: adapt to his teammates or in the league and became
Speaker 6: an difference. Maker and you know there's some players that
Speaker 6: need six or twelve months to adapt and maybe their
Speaker 6: second year that's when they really blossom and. Bloom you.
Speaker 6: Know so you look At diodo AND i think he
Speaker 6: brings a lot of quality to the. Team he's working,
Speaker 6: DEFENSIVELY i, KNOW i know within What pablo's asking and
Speaker 6: and he's adds a lot of quality on the ball
Speaker 6: and the build up when he's on the, ball his
Speaker 6: decisions are generally, better his technical ability is. Good he's
Speaker 6: getting himself in really good. SPOTS i was actually talking
Speaker 6: to someone about this, today you, know in terms of
Speaker 6: some of his statistics underlying, numbers and you, know he's
Speaker 6: getting into into spots where he's creating, chances you, know
Speaker 6: with expected assist or he's he's you, know getting chances
Speaker 6: of himself with expected goals and and right now he's
Speaker 6: underperforming those, numbers you, know and that's that's an objective
Speaker 6: analysis at this, point right those those two specific numbers,
Speaker 6: especially he's he's underperforming them. Now AND i think the
Speaker 6: expectation that he would have for himself and that we
Speaker 6: have for him is that he at least you, know
Speaker 6: that's you, know gets that part.
Speaker 2: Right and scores and assists what what can.
Speaker 6: Be expected based on on the quality chances he's getting
Speaker 6: and setting up for, others and those expected assess is
Speaker 6: kind of a weird one because you, know he plays
Speaker 6: a great. BALL i think HE'S i think he's gonna
Speaker 6: play the ball Into willie will he doesn't, Shoot, okay there's.
Speaker 2: No expected assist. There so it's a little tough one,
Speaker 2: too because you can't do both ends of, it you.
Speaker 6: KNOW i think there are some moments where he'll demand
Speaker 6: more of himself and will demand more of, Him and you,
Speaker 6: know we're always evaluating everyone and they're fit within the
Speaker 6: team and how they're helping us and and that type
Speaker 6: of pressure is no different to him or anyone else
Speaker 6: on that on that. Team but, YEAH i think the
Speaker 6: expectation is that he he meets those expectations from the
Speaker 6: standpoint of of those you, know expectables expected to AND
Speaker 6: i think he's he's adding the defensive work rate That
Speaker 6: pabo's looking. For if he's, not you, Know pabo's holding
Speaker 6: him accountable to. That and so that's that part's been really.
Speaker 6: Positive he's been bought. In he just needs to execute
Speaker 6: in those final.
Speaker 1: Moments good breakdown, there same question About dom About Don Mark. Zuke,
Speaker 1: NOW i understand That dom has some personal challenges right,
Speaker 1: now AND i always try to be. Fair these are
Speaker 1: humans that have families and they have issues like everybody.
Speaker 1: Else SO i don't know if you can provide any
Speaker 1: color and context to. That if if, so feel. Free
Speaker 1: BUT i kind of feel the same way About dom
Speaker 1: THAT i feel About, diogo where there are times where
Speaker 1: he'll play in across or he'll you, know he'll he'll
Speaker 1: score a goal or a provide service and you're, like, wow,
Speaker 1: man HE i can see in him what you guys
Speaker 1: saw in him to bring him. Over but it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same Thing, kurt isn't. It we just need
Speaker 1: a little more. Consistency so what's the analysis on the
Speaker 1: performance of Don Mark sukes so?
Speaker 6: Far, YEAH i MEAN i think you you you actually
Speaker 6: gave a very good anount else to spend.
Speaker 1: Great soccer guy over.
Speaker 2: Here he gets in good.
Speaker 6: Spots the qualities his decision making in the final third
Speaker 6: going forward IS i think very, Good but the consistency
Speaker 6: of his his execution on that decision making is not always.
Speaker 6: THERE i think you can see the types of balls
Speaker 6: that he. PLAYS i think no one else on the
Speaker 6: team can actually.
Speaker 2: Hit you, know the.
Speaker 6: Ball he played into Pay suits for the goal that
Speaker 6: got called back In. Nashville that was a phenomenal, pass,
Speaker 6: Right and he's done that multiple times for us in
Speaker 6: games and. Training we see that all the, time and
Speaker 6: that that quality and that decision making is.
Speaker 2: There the, consistency like we.
Speaker 6: Said For diegol, right, like that's the piece that the
Speaker 6: needs to be added to the. Game and so we
Speaker 6: need to get. Him he needs to find a way
Speaker 6: to get himself into those high leverage spots more often
Speaker 6: so that we can utilize the quality of decision, making you,
Speaker 6: know but you look at it right, now and competition
Speaker 6: is good when we want, competition, right and So gozos
Speaker 6: come in and give us some really really good shifts
Speaker 6: and so you, know credit to him for taking his.
Speaker 6: Opportunity AND i think while you're while you're doing, well
Speaker 6: you're you, know no one's gonna gonna sit you, down,
Speaker 6: Right so now it's About dom saying to him the, hell,
Speaker 6: Hey i'm you, KNOW i want to get back out
Speaker 6: there Right and we've seen that with with other players In.
Speaker 6: Alaska train has had to deal with something similar this
Speaker 6: year as. Well so competition is good and we're looking
Speaker 6: to push those.
Speaker 2: Guys but you, Know.
Speaker 6: Dom's a guy that has a lot of quality obviously
Speaker 6: as recently AS i think the last international window was
Speaker 6: in was in the full national team With.
Speaker 2: Poland so you, KNOW i think.
Speaker 6: There's there's there's a lot of potential and quality there
Speaker 6: and we're just helping them get get it.
Speaker 1: Out, So, kurt you LEAD mls in red. Cards my guy.
Speaker 6: Getting started on this.
Speaker 1: One, WELL i, mean look LIKE i watch all the
Speaker 1: games AND i think there have been some well one
Speaker 1: one red card was actually rescinded because it was so.
Speaker 1: Pathetic but there are a couple of. Others the one
Speaker 1: THAT i think it Was pole Against dallas here was beyond.
Speaker 1: Dumb so what what what's there to say about just
Speaker 1: simply that. DYNAMIC i, mean on, paper if people aren't
Speaker 1: watching and they see that you lead mls and red,
Speaker 1: cards it's, like, well are they? Undisciplined but if you're,
Speaker 1: watching you've also been hard. Done so WHEN i say to,
Speaker 1: You Kurt, schmidt your team leads mls and red, cards
Speaker 1: what is your?
Speaker 6: Response, YEAH i mean we've got four red. CARDS i
Speaker 6: THINK i think you know one of them is you,
Speaker 6: know we obviously didn't appeal and. It you, know we
Speaker 6: can see why that's a red. CARD i don't think
Speaker 6: it was. MALICIOUS i think it was a little while
Speaker 6: it was awkward and poorly, timed but went into it
Speaker 6: recklessly and, okay no. Problem you know.
Speaker 2: Another one that.
Speaker 6: Rescinded the third was a second yellow for time, wasting
Speaker 6: And i'm nearly positive the referee forgot that he had
Speaker 6: just given body. Yellow and then this, one which you,
Speaker 6: Know I'm i'm doing a lot of research on this
Speaker 6: one to to throw some data at the at the
Speaker 6: league about you, know, what what's going on in this,
Speaker 6: situation BECAUSE i think you see this type of moment
Speaker 6: happen multiple times a game and certainly moult times a
Speaker 6: weekend across the league with with no action. Taken AND
Speaker 6: i understand, that you, know it's a higher leverage moment
Speaker 6: and you're looking for a, penalty and that maybe makes
Speaker 6: the referee think it's worthy of of a yellow. Card
Speaker 6: but you, know as you look at the replay multiple,
Speaker 6: times it's really hard for me to say that he,
Speaker 6: definitely without a, shadow that was not.
Speaker 2: Touched AND i think.
Speaker 6: It's REALLY i was gonna say, harsh but maybe that's
Speaker 6: not even a strong enough, word like it's kind of
Speaker 6: insane to make a game changing, decision you, know based on,
Speaker 6: that in my, opinion like a second yellow for a
Speaker 6: dive where the, video you, know slow motion replay doesn't
Speaker 6: even clearly indicate that the guy wasn't, touched and you,
Speaker 6: KNOW I i think he was. Touched he thinks he has,
Speaker 6: touched and you, know maybe he could have stayed up
Speaker 6: or should have stayed. Up but sometimes, referees you, know
Speaker 6: don't give you a foul if you get fouled and
Speaker 6: you stay, up and so you've got you, know you've
Speaker 6: got players in these two minds of, well you, know
Speaker 6: IF i stay, up MAYBE i get a shot off
Speaker 6: then BUT i don't get the foul and it could
Speaker 6: be a, penalty and MAYBE i missed the, shot and
Speaker 6: like you, know he's doing all this calculation in his
Speaker 6: head at light speed right in the in the moment
Speaker 6: and has to make a split second. Decision so it's
Speaker 6: Really i'm really disappointed IN i think some of the
Speaker 6: refereeing decisions that have gone our. Away and you know
Speaker 6: that doesn't even take into account the red card that
Speaker 6: sort of been given Against. Love it's uh in In.
Speaker 6: NASHVILLE i think, that you, know even apart From willie's second,
Speaker 6: YELLOW i think there were SOME i think the yellow
Speaker 6: card distribution in this game was wasn't quite. Equitable so,
Speaker 6: YEAH i don't tell. YOU i think there's an element
Speaker 6: of discipline to THE i don't think that number FOR.
Speaker 2: Us shows a, gross.
Speaker 6: You, know indiscipline. EPIDEMIC i THINK i think the two
Speaker 6: you know again, AGAIN i think the last three that we've,
Speaker 6: gotten you, know one was obviously.
Speaker 2: Rescinded in the two second.
Speaker 6: YELLOWS i think we're, incredibly incredibly. Harsh and so while
Speaker 6: we can always AND i hope AND i want the
Speaker 6: team and the players that is to look within and think,
Speaker 6: well what COULD i have done to have prevented this
Speaker 6: this situation from happening to? It SO i think there
Speaker 6: are things that we can do to affect, it and
Speaker 6: we should take that. RESPONSIBILITY i know those players, do
Speaker 6: but you, know me looking at it from my, SEAT
Speaker 6: i think gets incredibly harsh by the officials in all
Speaker 6: those situations and couldn't have been given as.
Speaker 1: Is so of Course willie will Miss wednesday's tilt against Poor.
Speaker 1: Land Johnny russell available for selection Against. Dallas so let's
Speaker 1: move into the space of the two new, acquisitions what
Speaker 1: you've seen in training and, again unfortunately we will not
Speaker 1: See willy On, wednesday but is there a chance we'll See. Johnny,
Speaker 1: yeah he's on the.
Speaker 6: Bench there's a, chance AND i think if publicly is
Speaker 6: the right moment to get him in there and to
Speaker 6: add some quality and make a difference in the, game
Speaker 6: he'll do. That you, KNOW i know, obviously you know
Speaker 6: down a man in that situation In dallas probably wasn't
Speaker 6: the right moment to digue him into. That so we'll
Speaker 6: see if the moment presents itself On. Wednesday BUT i,
Speaker 6: think you, Know johnny brings obviously a lot of experience
Speaker 6: to the, group experience not just in the games but
Speaker 6: also in, training which you know will take time obviously
Speaker 6: to see within the group in the, games but helps
Speaker 6: us a ton as. Well and you, know he obviously
Speaker 6: also makes a lot of good decisions and has a
Speaker 6: lot of quality on the ball in those right, moments
Speaker 6: and so if we see time to use those, qualities we.
Speaker 1: Will all, right last, thing give me a little glimpse
Speaker 1: into Who portland. Is they're having a good. Year they're
Speaker 1: third in The west or six three and three twenty
Speaker 1: two goals, score so they've got something cooking up. There
Speaker 1: as your opponent on On. Wednesday tell me about, them
Speaker 1: curve forre set you.
Speaker 6: Loose they are a very, attacking you, know oriented. Team
Speaker 6: they obviously last season and returned all these, guys but
Speaker 6: they they scored a lot of. Goals you know. THAT
Speaker 6: i think it was three guys and or three four
Speaker 6: guys in double, digits which was or was above a certain,
Speaker 6: number and that was the record or first time that
Speaker 6: happened in The, League SO i think there's still that
Speaker 6: team they want to. Be they want to play, quick
Speaker 6: they want to get, forward they want they've always been
Speaker 6: a bit of a transition, team you, know and willing
Speaker 6: to get out on the. Break so that's what we
Speaker 6: might see a little bit. OF i think they are
Speaker 6: going to put. Forward they do have a lot of
Speaker 6: quality in the. Attack you, know you didn't you mention
Speaker 6: how many goals they, scored but not how many goals they've.
Speaker 6: CONCEDED i think they've also been a little bit stucceptible
Speaker 6: in the back of. Times that's hopefully something we can
Speaker 6: take advantage. Of they've given up you, know, nineteen they
Speaker 6: score twenty, two they've given up nine, team so it's
Speaker 6: something that we will try and take advantage of them
Speaker 6: on that side of the wall as.
Speaker 1: Well All, right, buddy good stuff, Today appreciate the time
Speaker 1: and best of luck On. Wednesday moving. Forward, okay all,
Speaker 1: right sounds?
Speaker 6: Good all.
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Speaker 1: Nba Draft. Lottery what a day to Have Tom haberstrow
Speaker 1: on this little radio. Program, Tom HAPPY Nba Draft Lottery?
Speaker 1: Monday how we?
Speaker 2: You And? Bud Happy Flag?
Speaker 1: Day so sorry say that? Again happy Way Flag? Day Flag?
Speaker 2: Day?
Speaker 1: Okay. Yes in addition to, that, yes capture the flag
Speaker 1: and that's what we're all hoping we can do here
Speaker 1: In Salt Lake. City, Tom so let's not bury the.
Speaker 1: Lead if The jazz get won, tonight what does that
Speaker 1: mean both in the interim and then for the future
Speaker 1: of this.
Speaker 4: Organization, well it'd be the biggest moment in jazz franchise
Speaker 4: history since making THE Nba. Finals you get a guy
Speaker 4: like that on your, team that's a building block that
Speaker 4: twenty nine other teams would just about trade any of
Speaker 4: their players. FOR i, mean there's a short list of
Speaker 4: maybe five players that A gm would not trade their
Speaker 4: guy for the chance to Have Cooper flag on their
Speaker 4: team under a rookie scale contract over the next seven
Speaker 4: or so. Years it's not just about the, talent it's
Speaker 4: about the, leadership and it's about the contract that you
Speaker 4: get this. Guy in the NEW, cba it's becoming really
Speaker 4: hard to build super. Teams but if you get a
Speaker 4: guy Like, wemby and if you get a guy Like Cooper,
Speaker 4: flag there's a window in which their contract is super
Speaker 4: super at a. Discount you basically get him at thirty
Speaker 4: cents on the. Dollar and so For, flag who's eighteen
Speaker 4: years old or nineteen years, old next season is going
Speaker 4: to look like a lot older than his age. Suggests
Speaker 4: AND i think The Utah jazz and whoever whichever team
Speaker 4: Lands Cooper flag WOULD i think in year two or
Speaker 4: three be a playoff. Team and by the end of
Speaker 4: that four year, contract if he's, healthy the rookie scale
Speaker 4: contract at the end of, IT i think you have
Speaker 4: a real chance of being a title. Contender if you
Speaker 4: make the right moves around. Him victor Webber, niama of,
Speaker 4: course is entering his third year in THE, nba AND
Speaker 4: i think you can say that he is the best
Speaker 4: prospect Since, lebron if not better.
Speaker 2: Prospect But Cooper flag isn't too far.
Speaker 4: Behind and The Utah jazz have a really strong leadership
Speaker 4: in place OWNER gm coach that obviously we saw last,
Speaker 4: Week Will hardy was extended for the foreseeable. Future AND
Speaker 4: i think when you Have Lowry markinhaim And Walker kessler
Speaker 4: And Cooper flag on the same, team you're not that
Speaker 4: far away from a playoff. Team AND i think it
Speaker 4: would be a, huge a huge turn of events for
Speaker 4: A Utah jazz team that has been really you, know
Speaker 4: struggling over the last couple of years to put a
Speaker 4: really competitive product out on the. Floor but the fan
Speaker 4: base is hungry for. It they've supported the team and
Speaker 4: it would be a great story for THE nba if
Speaker 4: The jazz Got Cooper.
Speaker 1: Flag all, Right so here's my follow up, Today, tom
Speaker 1: Because i've talked to you, Know i've got a lot
Speaker 1: of buddies out here that love The, jazz a lot
Speaker 1: of jazz fans in our market that miss spring basketball
Speaker 1: and miss Competitive jazz basketball and what we're hearing around.
Speaker 1: Here and, look this is not like breaking, news but
Speaker 1: The jazz are going to do everything they can to
Speaker 1: try to get to one even if they. Fall and
Speaker 1: that's a very easy thing to say out, Loud but
Speaker 1: to your, point when you have a generational option Like cooper,
Speaker 1: flag like let's Say charlotte gets number, one Or washington or,
Speaker 1: whoever or The, pelicans do you think there's any chance
Speaker 1: that if The jazz don't get one, there and let's
Speaker 1: say The jazz fall the two or three or, whatever
Speaker 1: is there a chance that ANOTHER gm would be willing
Speaker 1: to listen to offers for one from The jazz if
Speaker 1: The jazz don't land one.
Speaker 4: Themselves, YEAH i think there is a chance that ANOTHER
Speaker 4: gm would be open to offers at number. One but
Speaker 4: the problem is that the drop off from one to
Speaker 4: two to three is so steep that unless you have
Speaker 4: the number two pick to, OFFER i just don't see
Speaker 4: another team even considering trading out Of Cooper flah because
Speaker 4: there is no clear number three prospect in this, draft
Speaker 4: And Dylan harper is as good as a candidate for
Speaker 4: number two as anybody in this in this draft.
Speaker 6: CLASS i just think.
Speaker 4: That if there was a two.
Speaker 2: Person or a tea a two.
Speaker 4: Two person draft where it was like It's Cooper flag And,
Speaker 4: wemby like either way you're gonna get a generational, player
Speaker 4: then you would see a team that would open be
Speaker 4: open to direct trading out at number, one but not
Speaker 4: in this. One it would have.
Speaker 2: To be a crazy.
Speaker 4: Offer of those teams that have a legit shot at
Speaker 4: being number, two you're Talking, Charlotte you're talking The Washington.
Speaker 2: WIZARDS i just don't.
Speaker 4: Think that they would have enough of a reason to
Speaker 4: move off Of Cooper, flag especially because you don't want
Speaker 4: to be THE gm that Trades Cooper. Flag you, know
Speaker 4: we we remember The Chris weber draft at number, one
Speaker 4: The Anthony Bennett bennett Draft Andrew. Wiggins we've Seen Andrew
Speaker 4: wiggins be traded on that draft pick on that draft
Speaker 4: night or essentially before the season For Kevin, love and
Speaker 4: The cavs made a good trade to trade out Of
Speaker 4: Andrew wiggins to Get Kevin love and Support Lebron. JAMES
Speaker 4: i just think if you trade out a number one
Speaker 4: With Cooper, flag you got to trade him out for
Speaker 4: an All star caliber, player and Right, now The jazz
Speaker 4: could convince maybe the incoming team That Lowry marketen is
Speaker 4: an All star caliber, Player BUT i just don't think
Speaker 4: that they would have ENOUGH ammo for one of those
Speaker 4: rebuilding teams to be. CONVINCED i, MEAN i guess you
Speaker 4: could put in draft Picks Walker kessler And Lowry markinen
Speaker 4: to move up into number, one but that seems like
Speaker 4: a very steep, price and, honestly it would take something
Speaker 4: like that in order for another team to seriously consider.
Speaker 2: It Because Cooper.
Speaker 4: Flag again at the, Top he's not just checking off
Speaker 4: all the boxes from a talent and leadership, standpoint it's
Speaker 4: that you get him under control for the next you,
Speaker 4: know seven eight. Years, uh and that's that's that's. Huge
Speaker 4: SO i JUST i DON'T i don't see it happening
Speaker 4: a team trading out At Cooper. Flag barring some crazy
Speaker 4: it's some crazy. TRADE i just don't Think utah has
Speaker 4: it up their.
Speaker 2: Sleeve.
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't think so. EITHER i THINK i Think
Speaker 1: i've landed in the same spot you. Are but you,
Speaker 1: KNOW I i do feel, like based off of What
Speaker 1: i've been, told they're going to be as aggressive as
Speaker 1: they possibly can to get up to number. One but
Speaker 1: let's say they're they're unable to get to one and
Speaker 1: they do land it. Too so WHILE i do agree
Speaker 1: with you that there is a gap Between Cooper flag
Speaker 1: And Dylan, harper the MORE i Watch Dylan, harper the
Speaker 1: MORE i like. Him there's a little kid to, him
Speaker 1: right like there's a little Kid cunningham to. HIM i
Speaker 1: don't love the comp. Thing so let's just for our
Speaker 1: listeners out this way tremendously curious about what The jazz could,
Speaker 1: do and we'll come away with if it is too
Speaker 1: and they land On Dylan harper or what sort of
Speaker 1: player do you think he?
Speaker 4: Is, yeah He's he's one of these big, guards point,
Speaker 4: guards combo. Guy he's, young he's. Nineteen he's got you,
Speaker 4: know alpha mentality written all over. Him and the THING
Speaker 4: i love best About Dylan, harper who is much more
Speaker 4: efficient than his co Star Ace, bailey WHO i think
Speaker 4: is a, Project Dylan harper is more of a ready made.
Speaker 4: Prospect he's, big he's at six six to. Twenty the
Speaker 4: THING i love him about about the most is his
Speaker 4: second gen. Guy he's a legacy. Player Ron harper's, son
Speaker 4: and what we've seen historically in the draft that if
Speaker 4: you get guys who are the sons of AN nba,
Speaker 4: player they vastly outperformed their draft, slot, vastly even at number.
Speaker 4: Two we've seen guys come into the league that a
Speaker 4: son of AN nba player that for whatever, reason whether it's,
Speaker 4: genetic whether it's you, KNOW iq like just INSTITUTIONAL, iq
Speaker 4: your EMOTIONAL, intelli just being part of a household that
Speaker 4: had already seen the riggers of THE. Nba you're already
Speaker 4: knowing the riggers of THE. Nba there's just been a
Speaker 4: huge history of second gen players being much better than
Speaker 4: we expected in THE. Nba And Dylan, harper although the
Speaker 4: team wasn't a winning team last, season The rutgers didn't
Speaker 4: even make THE ncaa tournament despite having two of the
Speaker 4: top three prospects in the league consensus top three prospects
Speaker 4: in the in the draft, Class Dylan harper is a
Speaker 4: much better, player a really good offensive player and a
Speaker 4: solid defensive. Player you're not going to build around them.
Speaker 4: Defensively But Dylan harper being a section, section a second generation,
Speaker 4: player a guy who's i think a, younger more. Established
Speaker 4: he's been a top guy for a couple of years.
Speaker 4: NOW i think The The Utah jazz would be very
Speaker 4: happy With Dylan harper at number, two especially BECAUSE i
Speaker 4: think they've been struggling to find their their ballhanded the
Speaker 4: lead guard over the last couple of. Years can't Say
Speaker 4: George Isaiah collier have been solid at their best, points
Speaker 4: especially with the Way collier played at the second half
Speaker 4: of last. Season but he's not taking the place of
Speaker 4: A Dylan harper And Kate cunningham. IS i think because
Speaker 4: of his size and the ability to be the lead.
Speaker 4: GUARD i think a lot of people look At Dylan
Speaker 4: harper as A Kate cunningham. PROXY i think that's a
Speaker 4: little too, aggressive like you, said BUT i think he's
Speaker 4: a really good player that can be An All star one.
Speaker 1: Day all, Right so let's just kind of keep doing this.
Speaker 1: Exercise and then obviously we need to talk about the
Speaker 1: fact That yatis might be open to being traded and
Speaker 1: what that could look like and what that, means and,
Speaker 1: oh by the, way the playoffs are going, on so
Speaker 1: we'll get to that as. Well but, ultimately if it is, three,
Speaker 1: okay So cooper's one seems like it's a consensus That
Speaker 1: dylan would be, two and then at, three it does get.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i agree with you About. ACE i think there's
Speaker 1: a lot to like about, him namely as. MEASURABLES i,
Speaker 1: mean he's super, long and you know there are moments
Speaker 1: of pretty stunning, athleticism BUT i don't think he'll be
Speaker 1: ready to go right out of the. Gates then THERE'S. Vj.
Speaker 1: EDGECOMB a lot of people like The Jeremiah Fears, kid
Speaker 1: the point guard From, Oklahoma Tray johnson From texas in the.
Speaker 1: Mix so if it's a Three, tom if The jazz
Speaker 1: don't get one and they can't Get, cooper if they
Speaker 1: can't make a trade and they're not a two For,
Speaker 1: dylan who do you think they land on at? Three
Speaker 1: and y Oh?
Speaker 4: MAN i LOVE.
Speaker 2: Vj.
Speaker 4: EDGECOMB i don't know who The jazz would take at number,
Speaker 4: three but IF i were The, JAZZ i would TAKE.
Speaker 2: Vj he is just a, Baller he's a.
Speaker 4: Hooper he is one of the best steel rates in
Speaker 4: the draft two point three steals per thirty six. Minutes
Speaker 4: and if you're looking at what translates or what projects
Speaker 4: stardom in the next level at THE, nba.
Speaker 6: Believe it or, not at steel, rate steel.
Speaker 4: Ray has a very high predictive value if you're able
Speaker 4: to get a bunch of steels above average at the college,
Speaker 4: level those guys tend to have the ability to outperform
Speaker 4: expectations at the next level in ways that we can't really.
Speaker 4: Understand like there's something about that is your feel for the,
Speaker 4: game YOUR iq that your activity knows for the. Ball
Speaker 4: that if you're an elite defensive guy in the steels,
Speaker 4: column it translates not just defensively but offensively. Too if
Speaker 4: athleticism and ability to kind of get into passing lanes and,
Speaker 4: strength a lot of these projections analytically are very strong FOR.
Speaker 4: Vj edgecomb because of. That he's a guy who's a great.
Speaker 4: Rebounder he is not an elite elite scorer at this,
Speaker 4: point just scoring fifteen points a game For, baylor but
Speaker 4: what we're seeing from the rest of his game, playmaking defensive,
Speaker 4: playmaking his.
Speaker 2: Turnover, ratio these are.
Speaker 4: Things that he is doing at a really good. Level
Speaker 4: AND i love his. ATHLETICISM i just think he's a
Speaker 4: really good player that you might not be as much
Speaker 4: of a a household, name BUT i LOVE Dj edgecomb
Speaker 4: in this.
Speaker 1: Class i'm gonna ask you about four and five because
Speaker 1: The jazz can't fall lower than. Five so let's say
Speaker 1: the order that you've outlined is the order that we,
Speaker 1: see and It's, cooper It's, dylan and then IT'S Vj
Speaker 1: jazz landed. Four who do you think they look at
Speaker 1: and why Can?
Speaker 4: NIPPLE i love the shooting from. Him i've seen him in.
Speaker 4: Person he plays really, hard doesn't have a great. Wingspan
Speaker 4: but when you're looking at a guy who's shooting almost
Speaker 4: fifty forty ninety at the college level and plays hard,
Speaker 4: defensively he's a guy THAT i think he is a
Speaker 4: good wing player for The Utah jazz to build. Around
Speaker 4: especially the. SHOOTING i really love. That it's got good
Speaker 4: size at six, seven but, again he doesn't play a
Speaker 4: lot bigger than he. Is but he had a great
Speaker 4: season At, duke and when you look at the ability
Speaker 4: to shoot the, ball that's something That utah really. Loves
Speaker 4: they have a great shot profile in terms of getting
Speaker 4: efficient shots on the, floor but they just haven't been
Speaker 4: able to. Convert so IF i got the four or,
Speaker 4: Five i'm hoping that Can, nipple the freshman At, duke
Speaker 4: falls to them at number.
Speaker 6: FIVE i think.
Speaker 4: He's A he's a great, shooter good wing. Player, defensively
Speaker 4: as long as you've Got Walker kessler back, there he
Speaker 4: can kind of clean up some of the issues. There
Speaker 4: not a point of attack. Defender let's Say edgecombe could,
Speaker 4: be but he's a big, guard can play at the
Speaker 4: three in a. Pinch but he's going to be a
Speaker 4: guy THAT i think will be a good floor spacer
Speaker 4: in a league that is trending towards three point. Shooting
Speaker 4: he is a knockdown shooter AND i think he'd be
Speaker 4: a great fit for for Will hardy.
Speaker 1: System all, right, now let's get to The yana stuff
Speaker 1: and and ULTIMATELY i talked about this to start to
Speaker 1: show one of the things that makes this topic interesting
Speaker 1: in Saw Lake city today is the fact that the
Speaker 1: lottery is. Tonight and AFTER i saw The shams report
Speaker 1: That giannis is willing to potentially look at other fits
Speaker 1: outside Of. MILWAUKEE i listened to some SERIOUS xmmba. STUFF
Speaker 1: i turn on some of THE nba shows just to
Speaker 1: see what the conversation sounded, like and nobody brought up The.
Speaker 1: JAZZ i Heard, brooklyn And brooklyn is kind of in
Speaker 1: a similar spot to where The Utah jazz find themselves
Speaker 1: with some decent young, talent but mostly draft capital and
Speaker 1: a lot of questions to be. Answered so how do
Speaker 1: you think this ends? In is there any way The
Speaker 1: jazz get? Involved do you think it makes any sense at?
Speaker 1: All giannis has two years left on his deal than
Speaker 1: a player, Option so how do you think it plays?
Speaker 1: Out and do you think The jazz have a say
Speaker 1: in any of?
Speaker 4: THIS i think they do because they have eight tradable
Speaker 4: first round, picks two of them are in this year's.
Speaker 4: Draft so if you're getting on the phone With Horace
Speaker 4: John horace over In, milwaukee you're gonna basically come to
Speaker 4: that table and, Say i've got eight first round picks
Speaker 4: For Jannisenda decompo in my.
Speaker 2: Coffers let's.
Speaker 4: Talk And okase obviously is another team that can come
Speaker 4: in as a threat to. That but when you're talking About,
Speaker 4: okac does he fit next To Shay, Guilders alexander and
Speaker 4: what they're trying to build With, okac they might be
Speaker 4: a little gunshy to do something like. That and when
Speaker 4: you're talking about the ability to get yanis is that
Speaker 4: timetable For Utah jazz And okac the right? One and For,
Speaker 4: oka see they're a super young Team Shae Guildriss alexander
Speaker 4: similar To Larry markin and in that you have a
Speaker 4: star player who's entering his. Prime so it makes some
Speaker 4: sense in that perspective to Get. Yannis but for, ME
Speaker 4: okac has thirteen tradeable first compared TO. UTAH i, mean
Speaker 4: that's a crazy stat right, there that they have thirteen
Speaker 4: tradable first round picks to put into a potential deal For.
Speaker 4: Yannis but from an organizational, STANDPOINT i wonder IF okac
Speaker 4: just isn't willing to go all in On yannis just.
Speaker 4: Yet we have to see what happens here with you,
Speaker 4: know the playoff and how things shake. Out But utah
Speaker 4: does have that ability to put in those eight first round,
Speaker 4: picks which is a trump card for just about any
Speaker 4: team outside OF. Okc so can they get into The
Speaker 4: COOPER i mean The yannest Sweep? Stakes, Yes BUT i
Speaker 4: would BE i would not necessarily consider them a serious
Speaker 4: contender BECAUSE i Think yannis would have a say in
Speaker 4: this and For yannis to Leave milwaukee and look around
Speaker 4: and say where DO i want to? Go that can
Speaker 4: give me an opportunity to win a. CHAMPIONSHIP i don't
Speaker 4: think that The Utah jazz are in the running for.
Speaker 4: That it would have to be just a godfather. Offer
Speaker 4: i'm talking, like if they get the number two pick
Speaker 4: here and they put it into the deal along with
Speaker 4: eight tradable first round, PICKS i think that's the only
Speaker 4: way you're going to Get janis into The koopa to
Speaker 4: play ball and The Milwaukee bucks front, office BECAUSE i
Speaker 4: Think giannis wants to go to a team to win a.
Speaker 4: Championship AND i just don't think that if you're Trading
Speaker 4: Walker kessler And lowry market in and whoever they get
Speaker 4: in the first round, HERE i don't know what is
Speaker 4: left and you're Risking yanni's just turning around and, SAYING
Speaker 4: i want out right. Away how AM i going to
Speaker 4: be winning championships here In? UTAH i just Left milwaukee
Speaker 4: where we Had Danian lillard and we didn't get that.
Speaker 4: Far how can we get further than? That how DO
Speaker 4: i AM i closer to winning a second championship In?
Speaker 4: Utah and SO i JUST i don't see it unless,
Speaker 4: there's you, know a secondary deal That Danny age can
Speaker 4: poll where he's, Like i'm gonna go get a big
Speaker 4: time star with you, Know Walker kessler And Lowry markinen
Speaker 4: and then use the rest of my asses to go
Speaker 4: all in On. YIANNIS i just don't see it right.
Speaker 1: Now YEAH i don't. EITHER i don't. Either just we'll figure.
Speaker 1: It at some, point somebody would bring them up as a.
Speaker 1: Possibility in, Fairness Bobby marks wrote a piece where he
Speaker 1: talked about the. Jazz so a couple of, minute it's,
Speaker 1: less so let's do some. Playoffs teams actually, playing and
Speaker 1: Tonight tommy is maybe the biggest game that The knicks
Speaker 1: have played AT msg since nineteen ninety. Nine i'm not
Speaker 1: even kidding when you think about what's at stake. Here
Speaker 1: even after going up TO Td garden and grabbing, two you,
Speaker 1: know AND i still pull for My New York. KNICKS
Speaker 1: i was, WELL i was very skeptical about them being
Speaker 1: able to get two. MORE i remain very skeptical about
Speaker 1: them being able to get two. More, REMEMBER i know
Speaker 1: you know, This but for our, Listeners boston was historically
Speaker 1: good on the road this, year actually a better road
Speaker 1: record than at. HOME i WISH i was there. Tonight
Speaker 1: tonight it's one of those nights where you want to
Speaker 1: be AT. Msg how do you think it's gonna what's
Speaker 1: the scene going to be, like and what do you
Speaker 1: think goes down With boston And New york. Tonight.
Speaker 4: Yeah Remember game seven last year against The pacers in
Speaker 4: The Eastern conference, semis The knicks got blown out AT msg,
Speaker 4: yep AND i think about, that, like, man it's hard
Speaker 4: to imagine that happening. Again basically getting wept at home
Speaker 4: in the you, know in game three and four Against.
Speaker 4: Boston But boston had much better shots there In game,
Speaker 4: three AND i think they might have figured, out, like,
Speaker 4: hey we can't just GO iso every. Time we got
Speaker 4: to get some offense and you know the shots are
Speaker 4: going to. Fall they shot was a twenty five of
Speaker 4: one hundred in the first two Games boston did from
Speaker 4: downtown and it was they were awesome In game three
Speaker 4: and they can't Get Mitchell robinson on the floor because
Speaker 4: of the hack a shock That boston's. Doing and it's
Speaker 4: JUST i Think boston at this point has figured out, that,
Speaker 4: yes they need to have three point shooting in their
Speaker 4: arsenal in order to beat The, knicks but it can't
Speaker 4: be a. One the team that has won the fast
Speaker 4: break battle in this first three games have won the
Speaker 4: series so. Far so The knicks opened with winning the
Speaker 4: fast break column in the first two, games and then
Speaker 4: The celtics got out in transition a lot more Than
Speaker 4: New york, did and that starts on the defensive. End
Speaker 4: so as much AS i want to say that The
Speaker 4: knicks can can really make this a, series and of
Speaker 4: course they're up to, ONE i still think that The
Speaker 4: Boston celtics are gonna Win game four. Here but you,
Speaker 4: know the way That Karl Anthony towns has played in this,
Speaker 4: game in this, SERIES i do feel like there's a
Speaker 4: lot more on the table that he can give just
Speaker 4: one of seven From downtown in this. Series he is
Speaker 4: not taking advantage of the reason why that got him
Speaker 4: in the first, place was providing that spacing in the
Speaker 4: five out. System and unless they're gonna get that Big
Speaker 4: Karl Anthony towns, GAME i just think That boston's gonna
Speaker 4: win this win this game.
Speaker 2: For it's gonna be.
Speaker 4: GREAT i, mean great drama between these two teams and great.
Speaker 4: Competitiveness BUT i JUST i Think boston was a little
Speaker 4: unlucky in their three point shooting the first two. Games
Speaker 4: that looked awful like from aesthetics than point the way
Speaker 4: that they were just trying to take the first three
Speaker 4: that they could. GET i think they settled down a
Speaker 4: little bit more In game three and got out in
Speaker 4: transition and attack The knicks in the open. Court AND
Speaker 4: i think that's the way they got to win In
Speaker 4: game four is getting out in. Transition whoever does that
Speaker 4: and doesn't have to play against a set, defense that's
Speaker 4: what the team that's going to carry the day in game.
Speaker 1: For you like, dogs, tom?
Speaker 2: Dogs?
Speaker 1: Dogs do you like?
Speaker 4: Dogs i'm looking at My German shepherd right.
Speaker 1: Now, OKAY i love, it love. It so here's here's
Speaker 1: Where i've landed on. This Donovan mitchell is a golden,
Speaker 1: doodle and you love golden. Doodles, okay everyone loves a golden.
Speaker 1: Doodle cute. Dogs you can win dob shows with golden.
Speaker 1: Doodles sometimes golden doodles are going to drop fifty points
Speaker 1: in a playoff. Game but to win the, playoffs you
Speaker 1: gotta have pit, bulls And indiana has a ton of.
Speaker 1: Them is there any Way cleveland gets back into, this, say,
Speaker 1: look Obviously donovan has done some really special. Things and
Speaker 1: if you're The, cavs you're gonna say That garlands not
Speaker 1: right and we haven't been. Healthier whatever it, is but
Speaker 1: this will be looks Like tom another year Where donovan's
Speaker 1: going home after the second. Round do you think The
Speaker 1: cavs have any chance to get back into this?
Speaker 4: Series golden? Doodles, oh do you have a golden?
Speaker 1: DOODLE i have An english cream BUT i love a golden.
Speaker 1: Doodle who doesn't love a golden? Doodle, Right but you're
Speaker 1: not Putting you're not putting a golden doodle in a dog,
Speaker 1: fight is What i'm.
Speaker 4: Saying you, KNOW i think golden. Noodles my wife got
Speaker 4: bit by a poodle on a run and it drew
Speaker 4: blood and it was. Awful And i'm not a fan of.
Speaker 4: Poodles play that all, Right so a golden doodle is
Speaker 4: a mix of a poodle and golden, retriever Which i'm
Speaker 4: a big. FAN i like, LABRADORS i like golden. Retrievers
Speaker 4: i'm fine with. THEM i just don't like the whole doodle.
Speaker 4: Things i'm out on.
Speaker 1: Doodles oka putting that.
Speaker 4: Aside Donovan, mitchell you can't put pit this on. HIM
Speaker 4: i know It's utah and it's, that and it's your
Speaker 4: region right there With Donovan. MITCHELL i can't put any
Speaker 4: of what's happening here On Donovan.
Speaker 2: Mitchell he showed.
Speaker 4: Up in this. Series he, HAS i, mean notwithstanding the
Speaker 4: second half where he missed with an ankle, injury and
Speaker 4: it looks like he's a game time decision For game.
Speaker 4: Five But i'm looking At Donovan mitchell And i'm, saying
Speaker 4: you showed. Up everybody else, hasn't and because of. Injuries
Speaker 4: you can chalk this up to the twenty Fifteen Atlanta
Speaker 4: hawks showing up here in this series where it seems
Speaker 4: like they're shorthanded but also a little. Overrated But i'm
Speaker 4: not putting this On Donovan, mitchell a guy who in this,
Speaker 4: series without playing the second, half is averaging thirty four
Speaker 4: points per game and just doing so much for this
Speaker 4: team that outside of, Him Evan mobley missing in this,
Speaker 4: series not just literally, missing but hasn't been playing up to.
Speaker 4: Himself And Ty, jerome who in my, opinion was the
Speaker 4: most import player in THE nba this, year has been
Speaker 4: a complete. Zero Darius garland has been in and out
Speaker 4: of the, lineup hasn't been. Himself so for, ME i
Speaker 4: don't want to put this On Donovan. MITCHELL i think that's.
Speaker 4: Unfair but in terms of A Donovan mitchell led. Team,
Speaker 4: yeah you can say that The Cleveland cavaliers have underperformed.
Speaker 4: HERE i just think that The Indiana, pacers the.
Speaker 6: Way that they play.
Speaker 4: Beautiful, basketball the way that they move the, ball the
Speaker 4: way that they get open, shots and they play with,
Speaker 4: energy and they play speed and they play the pace
Speaker 4: at which they play is something that The cavs have
Speaker 4: completely completely. Underestimated AND i think a lot of this
Speaker 4: is due to the fact that they played A Miami
Speaker 4: heat team that just kind of laid down in the first.
Speaker 4: Half and this is if The Miami heat they were,
Speaker 4: terriers they were not pit, bulls they were Not. Rottweilers
Speaker 4: and The pacers have, incredible incredibly hard nosed, defenders role
Speaker 4: players on this, team and they moved the. Ball they
Speaker 4: play such a smart brand of, basketball and it reminds
Speaker 4: me of. SUMMERTIME i don't know if you remember, this
Speaker 4: but in twenty, fourteen when The San Antonio spurs beat
Speaker 4: The Miami, heat they moved the ball at such a rapid.
Speaker 4: Pace they had one hundred more passes per game than
Speaker 4: The Miami. Heat Lebron james Led heat in that twenty
Speaker 4: FOURTEEN Nba, finals they destroyed the heat with their baalt,
Speaker 4: movement and that's what The Indiana pacers are doing against
Speaker 4: the against The Cleveland. Cavaliers it's just they play a
Speaker 4: different brand of. Basketball and with The, cavs they were
Speaker 4: a great passing, team not a high volume passing, team
Speaker 4: but a great passing team in the regular, season and
Speaker 4: they just look like a shell. Themselves and a lot
Speaker 4: of that Is Kenny atkinson just hasn't found the right.
Speaker 4: FORMULA a lot of it is the mismatches that The
Speaker 4: Indiana pacers have been able to exploit On Max struce
Speaker 4: And Darius. Carlin they've bullied those guys mismatches and targeted.
Speaker 4: Them But Ni, smith Nem, haard these guys are killers
Speaker 4: out there and Uh Tyres haliburn hasn't had a great
Speaker 4: series and yet they're up three to. One it's it
Speaker 4: really is an incredible testament to players who are not,
Speaker 4: stars but stars in their roles in THE Inanea pacers
Speaker 4: role Players.
Speaker 1: Tom prediction, time who gets the number one pick?
Speaker 4: Tonight i'm gonna go with The utah J there we,
Speaker 4: Go And i'm, sorry is that is that jinxing or
Speaker 4: is that something you want to?
Speaker 2: Hear?
Speaker 1: No it's good karma out. Here we need. It it's
Speaker 1: a big, day. Man it's been it's been a rough
Speaker 1: few years and we, need, uh we need just some
Speaker 1: hope for this fan base that's used to a really competitive.
Speaker 1: Team So i'll set you, loose appreciate the, time And
Speaker 1: i'll get you back on. Soon Thanks, Tom You Tom
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Speaker 1: O'clock then we'll bring YOU espn radios live coverage of
Speaker 1: THE Nba Draft, lottery so stay tuned for that and
Speaker 1: then a fun night OF nba basketball. Tonight it's one
Speaker 1: of the biggest games At Madison Square garden in a
Speaker 1: number of, years as THE nixt have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: put The celtics on the precipice of, elimination and then
Speaker 1: we'll see if The warriors can at least get one
Speaker 1: While steph is getting. Better so fun night OF nba basketball,
Speaker 1: tonight but live and, studio friend of the, program friend of. Mine,
Speaker 1: Hello Tony, parks how are? You i'm, great, Man i'm.
Speaker 1: Great great to see as.
Speaker 7: Always getting on the flight To sacramento late, tonight starting
Speaker 7: a six game series, There, okay just enjoying the baseball.
Speaker 7: WORLD i love it BECAUSE i get home AND i
Speaker 7: get to catch like the last half of the late.
Speaker 6: Game.
Speaker 7: Huh THE nba. Playoffs, man this. Round you And i've
Speaker 7: always talked to. THIS i always told YOU i love this,
Speaker 7: round maybe more than any because there's two games a. Night,
Speaker 7: yep chances a really good one of them is gonna be.
Speaker 7: Awesome it feels like every, night both of them morales for.
Speaker 1: Sure is that? Way, Yeah it's Like March madness is
Speaker 1: a primer for spring basketball because THE ncaa tournament is unbelievably. Entertaining,
Speaker 1: yeah and then you just want THE nba, to you,
Speaker 1: know have their employees show up for work and want
Speaker 1: to try, hard which we just don't get enough in
Speaker 1: the regular. Season but when you see, it you realize
Speaker 1: what it looks like when the best players in the
Speaker 1: world give a rip about playing. Basketball it's so.
Speaker 7: Fun oh IT'S i mean the late game situations that
Speaker 7: the intense, DEFENSE i, mean the big defensive stops in
Speaker 7: the Next celtics series in those late. Games that's what
Speaker 7: made and not to pull the back in my. Day
Speaker 7: but what made nineties basketball so great is we just
Speaker 7: remember a lot of the, playoffs but there were very
Speaker 7: regular season games. Too but it was the big defensive
Speaker 7: plays that you never, forgot as well as the big
Speaker 7: shots that were hit and things like.
Speaker 1: That it was.
Speaker 7: Exciting so this whole, round, man it's had me, connected
Speaker 7: engaged and fired. Up and because during the regular SEASON
Speaker 7: i had so much going, ON i didn't get a
Speaker 7: chance to really watch a ton of.
Speaker 1: It, sure but, Man i've been glued to every bit of.
Speaker 1: This so before we get to what could be a
Speaker 1: historic night for The jazz and your thoughts on you
Speaker 1: know they what they could grab if it's one Obviously cooper,
Speaker 1: flag what that could mean for our, market give us
Speaker 1: an update on the. Beast and here here's actually WHAT
Speaker 1: i wanted to ask you WHEN i sound saw you
Speaker 1: on the rundown. Today now that you've been doing this
Speaker 1: job for a while after we Lost steve rest in,
Speaker 1: Peace Steve, cloukey any of it surprising to. YOU i
Speaker 1: know you filled in a, bunch but now that you've
Speaker 1: been the full time guy for a. While m, hm
Speaker 1: has it been what you? Expected has it been, better
Speaker 1: has it been? Harder?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Like just your thoughts on?
Speaker 7: It ben EVERYTHING i would Expect in terms of the baseball.
Speaker 7: STUFF i, mean there's just no, doubt, man the the
Speaker 7: enjoying calling a baseball game every, day waking up every,
Speaker 7: day people ask you, know how do you do so many?
Speaker 1: Games And i'm, like it's, awesome, Man LIKE i love.
Speaker 7: It there's a game, tomorrow after, that there's after, That
Speaker 7: LIKE i love. That each game it's, like by no
Speaker 7: means DO i Think i'm The Bob rosso, Broadcasters but
Speaker 7: each game it's LIKE i got this, canvas AND i
Speaker 7: and and some of IT i get to, paint but
Speaker 7: the players in the game paint most of. IT i
Speaker 7: just get to be a piece of. THAT i get
Speaker 7: to be a piece of the journey for every single
Speaker 7: player on their way to the major. Leagues i've had
Speaker 7: interactions with three or four players right after they got.
Speaker 1: Informed they're headed up and that's the good. STORY i
Speaker 1: can't tell you what that moment's.
Speaker 7: Like Man, like it's like you see them at, eight,
Speaker 7: nine ten years, old all at the same time in
Speaker 7: this one, moment because many times they've talked to me
Speaker 7: before they get to call their. Parents you, know it's, like,
Speaker 7: yeah you're right. THERE i, mean it's the freshest thing to. It,
Speaker 7: YES i Remember Gustavo camparo jumped into my arms.
Speaker 1: And was, Like i'm going through the big. Leagues he's
Speaker 1: like so fired.
Speaker 7: Up so all of that has been EVERYTHING i could
Speaker 7: have ever imagined and.
Speaker 1: MORE i gotta tell, you there's nothing GOING i.
Speaker 7: Get and you, know for, me BEFORE i was ever
Speaker 7: hired for the job, PERSONAL i mean it's very personal
Speaker 7: being there as THE mc of THE bs and behind the,
Speaker 7: scenes there was a cultural expectation to be something where
Speaker 7: you just ultimately strive to be the very very best
Speaker 7: that you can and even then some like your, constant
Speaker 7: it's an endless. Pursuit that's what it was For, Steve
Speaker 7: that's what it is for, me but also to help
Speaker 7: my teammates be that, too And steve carried that.
Speaker 1: Standard the strange thing has been no.
Speaker 7: Doubt AND i don't blame anybody for this because the
Speaker 7: timelines were so, close With steve, Retiring steve me then
Speaker 7: being the full time, voice and Then steve tragically passing.
Speaker 1: Away there's usually a mix up of people forgetting because
Speaker 1: they BELIEVE i took over after he passed, away and
Speaker 1: it just, happens, like you can't blame.
Speaker 7: People it's just so close to, like, wait, now so
Speaker 7: what take me through the experience when he passed away
Speaker 7: and then you took. Over it's, like And i've been
Speaker 7: in live interviews Or i've had to, say well he,
Speaker 7: retired and you can see them on the air realizing, like, oh,
Speaker 7: OKAY i didn't know.
Speaker 1: That so that's, just you, know a small.
Speaker 7: Thing or somebody will be, like, YEAH i loved your,
Speaker 7: Broadcast SO i hope they make that a permanent.
Speaker 1: Thing you.
Speaker 7: Know in these shoes and it's like, no, no, no, No
Speaker 7: steve had his shoes and no one will ever be
Speaker 7: those shoes AND i have my own pair of shoes And.
Speaker 1: Steve would want it that. Way so it's kind of
Speaker 1: unique in that.
Speaker 7: Way, now that's another part of the, tragedy And i've
Speaker 7: been in great touch with his Daughter, lisa his Wife,
Speaker 7: sue And adam AND i stay in, touch but we're
Speaker 7: very unique on when our busy seasons are, So so,
Speaker 7: anyway it's been it's been beautiful to have that connection
Speaker 7: With steve's. Family the opening night there at the ballpark
Speaker 7: and walking around just to kind of get the, vibe
Speaker 7: AND i saw them and all three of us were
Speaker 7: like so emotional to see each other on that.
Speaker 1: Night so, anyway it's been EVERYTHING i could dream. Of,
Speaker 1: yeah you, know, look it was an unspeakable tragedy no matter.
Speaker 1: What but the fact that he had retired and was
Speaker 1: ready to kind of go do the thing and live
Speaker 1: the rest of his, life it almost stings even. More
Speaker 1: even though it just sings horribly no matter what people,
Speaker 1: do forget That steve had. Retired he was ready to
Speaker 1: go live the rest of his golden years with his,
Speaker 1: family THAT'S i.
Speaker 7: Mean and he had all this Pan every Time i'd
Speaker 7: see him at the, ballpark he was like so proud of.
Speaker 7: Me he loved listening to my, game you know WHAT i.
Speaker 7: Mean and he was that type of. Guy, yeah and
Speaker 7: he loved giving me all this feedback mostly. Positive people were,
Speaker 7: like was he giving you? Feedback, yeah and most of
Speaker 7: it was. Positive he loved the WAY i set things
Speaker 7: up and called this play, here and he liked that
Speaker 7: he AND i were different by the. Way he liked
Speaker 7: that he AND i were different in the way we
Speaker 7: called the. Game the most important area IS i think we're,
Speaker 7: similar but in the ultimate art we were.
Speaker 1: Different and he liked.
Speaker 7: That and then he was out on a, Walk that's
Speaker 7: what he was, doing and WHEN i was. In what's
Speaker 7: crazy is WHEN i was informed of what. HAPPENED i
Speaker 7: had the girls with me on a trip To. Vegas
Speaker 7: they flew, IN i flew. In we all got to
Speaker 7: the airport. Together we stayed up super late because the
Speaker 7: adrenaline was high and we as a. Family the reason
Speaker 7: why they were there with me at that time is
Speaker 7: earlier in the, YEAR i picked his brain on a
Speaker 7: lot of. STUFF i, said if you could go back
Speaker 7: and do one thing over more often or just, different he,
Speaker 7: SAID i would have had the family travel with me even.
Speaker 7: More he, SAID i did, it BUT i would have
Speaker 7: done it even.
Speaker 6: MORE.
Speaker 7: Yea SO i was, like heck with, It let's just
Speaker 7: do as much as we can when we can for.
Speaker 7: Sure SO i had him on that trip and they
Speaker 7: were in the room when the announcement was made on
Speaker 7: a zoom.
Speaker 1: Call that's. Tough that's, tough so no easy way to
Speaker 1: nextit that space so non sequitary a. Bit but how's
Speaker 1: how's the team give us a little? Overview and how's
Speaker 1: the how's the new? Ballpark how's the? Experience? Man New ballpark's? Beautiful?
Speaker 7: MAN i mean that twilight, hour like you never know
Speaker 7: until you get an experience of.
Speaker 1: It, sure but.
Speaker 7: Sitting up, there every time we hit a twilight hour
Speaker 7: where the sun where the natural lighting in the stadium
Speaker 7: lights are doing the same amount of work to keep the,
Speaker 7: field you, know lit, up and then you look.
Speaker 1: Out and around, whoa, man is it?
Speaker 7: Beautiful and you got the the scene of the mountains
Speaker 7: and you've got just that overall look beyond and it'll
Speaker 7: look even better after everything gets. Completed and still like
Speaker 7: that's a really cool moment for sure, ballpark.
Speaker 1: Man so it's beautiful to see.
Speaker 7: That fans when they come they talk, about you, know
Speaker 7: how great the experience. Is you, know it's it's been
Speaker 7: really neat the bes. EVENT a number of guys getting calls.
Speaker 7: Up you, know they get called. Up it's one thing
Speaker 7: that we. See we see dudes playing really, well see you.
Speaker 7: Later that's how it. Works and so it's been, Cool,
Speaker 7: like you, know the rotation really solidified themselves on some
Speaker 7: of those road. Trips they want a. Series they look,
Speaker 7: good all these quality. Starts next, thing you, know you
Speaker 7: have three bullpen games in a. Series that's the name
Speaker 7: of the game is so so it's been fun to
Speaker 7: watch a lot of the individual success combined with some
Speaker 7: of the team's success when it's. Happening and so it's
Speaker 7: been fun to be around.
Speaker 1: Good, good, good good good. Crowds we're getting some Good.
Speaker 7: Yeah saturday, night you, know you have a great fever
Speaker 7: pitch when the team was up and then they were
Speaker 7: down and then the game kind of bled, out but
Speaker 7: the energy and the pageantry of the crowd was top
Speaker 7: shelf On saturday.
Speaker 1: Night great to. Hear SO i wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: this today and in our next, segment we'll do some,
Speaker 1: jazz we'll do some. Lottery we'll get back to some
Speaker 1: of that stuff because the lottery is on this radio
Speaker 1: station in one hour and ten minutes right. Now but
Speaker 1: there was some news not too long ago that became
Speaker 1: official and you referenced The bees culture of everybody starting
Speaker 1: in their. Role you didn't use that, term but you,
Speaker 1: know whatever you, do let's go ahead and do whatever
Speaker 1: we can to make sure that we're on the right
Speaker 1: seat on the bus and we're moving forward and we're
Speaker 1: trying to work hard to be. Great how much of
Speaker 1: that culture would you attribute to The millers owning the
Speaker 1: club because they now own our soccer team now on
Speaker 1: Raiosol Lay and so obviously with my, BACKGROUND i have
Speaker 1: a ton of friends AT, rsl AND i worked with
Speaker 1: you for The millers for seven, years SO i have
Speaker 1: this unique paradigm WHERE i know the, CLUB i KNOW,
Speaker 1: rsl AND i know the culture that we wanted to
Speaker 1: set back in two thousand and. Four and then WHEN
Speaker 1: i LEFT rsl for The jazz in twenty, eleven spent
Speaker 1: seven years working for The. Millers So i've talked to
Speaker 1: a lot of people over there BECAUSE i have the
Speaker 1: experience that they're now just starting AND i had a
Speaker 1: great experience working for The millers for seven, years AND
Speaker 1: i do think they were excellent stewards of The, jazz
Speaker 1: AND i think there'll be excellent stewards for our soccer.
Speaker 1: Team but as somebody that has worked for them for
Speaker 1: a number of, years what would you say to our
Speaker 1: friends AT rsl that now have the new ownership.
Speaker 7: Group they are magnificent at the cultural expectation of striving for,
Speaker 7: excellence of truly understanding like how high the bar can be.
Speaker 7: Set the other, THING i think they do a wonderful
Speaker 7: job of creating synergy among those who are working. Together
Speaker 7: i'm In Trey fitzgerald AND i had a chance to
Speaker 7: sit down for breakfast and we're talking about. That, OH i,
Speaker 7: know we're doing five six and under. Club, sorry, FOLKS
Speaker 7: i wasn't going, Next, TONY i wasn't going.
Speaker 1: THERE i beat you to. It, no it was.
Speaker 7: Funny we sat, there you, know we had a kids
Speaker 7: menu in front of us and we were talking it. Out,
Speaker 7: no but We one THING i really like about TRYING
Speaker 7: i think he's such a great Fit John, kimball Who
Speaker 7: i've always enjoyed being. Around, like there's some people there
Speaker 7: That i'm, Going, okay they understand the critical piece of
Speaker 7: how to.
Speaker 1: What AM i?
Speaker 7: Thinking you don't stay in your lane but not playing
Speaker 7: out of position like. BASEBALL i use these examples all the,
Speaker 7: time like you're a second, baseman you might not you
Speaker 7: might have to come all the way across the field
Speaker 7: to be an extra cutoff on a throw right or. Third,
Speaker 7: basically there's different situations where you don't stay in your,
Speaker 7: lane but you also know how to not play out a.
Speaker 7: Position and they're, really really. Good AND i think at
Speaker 7: the ballpark with a lot of the folks THAT i
Speaker 7: have a chance to work with on the broadcast, side
Speaker 7: from the production to the comms. Department you, KNOW i
Speaker 7: Think Nate thompson's doing a stellar. Job he came over
Speaker 7: from The dodgers. ORGANIZATION i mean he just jumps right,
Speaker 7: in you, know he gets, it man. Like, Yeah and
Speaker 7: there's ways to do a wonderful job of you, know
Speaker 7: knowing how to be a back up, here knowing how
Speaker 7: to create support, here knowing how to do your job
Speaker 7: to make life easier on, MARKETING, prcr everyone all across the.
Speaker 7: Board AND i think that many people there at Rials
Speaker 7: alake are about to experience why that becomes such a
Speaker 7: key part of the fabric to the success of an
Speaker 7: entire team working.
Speaker 1: Together it sounds so, simplistic but it's so nice to
Speaker 1: have co workers who just get. It, oh you, know
Speaker 1: it sounds like the most simple thing you can possibly,
Speaker 1: say because, yeah of, course of course you should just get.
Speaker 1: It but there's a big gap between people that just
Speaker 1: get it and people that just don't and never. Will
Speaker 1: so you could have helped, here you saw the.
Speaker 7: Problem if you had moved two millimeters over, here it
Speaker 7: would have affected you zero percent and would have helped
Speaker 7: them seventy. Percent and you decided voluntarily not to. Assist, okay,
Speaker 7: yep you, know and then you just told on. Himself,
Speaker 7: YEAH i, MEAN i just you, know just to walk through.
Speaker 1: It that's the. Facts and you're.
Speaker 7: Right that isn't your, job and that's Not you're totally, right, Right,
Speaker 7: okay all, right all, right.
Speaker 1: Before we catch a, break let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Question then we'll do some lottery stuff Talk Cooper flag,
Speaker 1: Talk Dylan Harper. Giannis as you watch the, playoffs and,
Speaker 1: LOOK i want to be clear because there are very
Speaker 1: few media members that have the KNOWLEDGE i have about
Speaker 1: what happened behind the scenes With mitchell And gobert And.
Speaker 1: Quinn SO i know the, Deal, OKAY i know why
Speaker 1: it all went. Down, okay if you want to look
Speaker 1: to one person as to who really broke this thing.
Speaker 1: Down it Was. Donovan it just was no matter how
Speaker 1: many podcasts he goes on to, say we had more
Speaker 1: meat on that bone In. Utah not sure why we
Speaker 1: pulled the rip. Cord it's, like, dude come, on we
Speaker 1: all know exactly what happened and we know the. Deal
Speaker 1: BUT i would hear people say After Nico harrison Traded,
Speaker 1: LUCA i would hear people, say, well no team ever
Speaker 1: trades a twenty five year old. Superstar i'm, like, well
Speaker 1: And i'm not Saying Donovan's. Luca, Okay i'm, not But
Speaker 1: danny made a calculated decision to trade a twenty five
Speaker 1: year year old dynamic offensive, force and The cavs are.
Speaker 1: Screwed But donovan has been really special and again is
Speaker 1: about to go, HOME i think after the second, round
Speaker 1: so he won't get to a conference. Final and then
Speaker 1: we See gobert with a historic twenty twenty game to
Speaker 1: close out The, lakers like a game That wilt, had
Speaker 1: and that's. It it's like plus twenty five, points plus twenty,
Speaker 1: boards eighty percent field, goal that's rarefied. Air you See
Speaker 1: Mike conley hitting big. Shots you know you've Seen Nakil
Speaker 1: Alexander walker playing a massively important role For minnesota as
Speaker 1: somebody who was with the organization during The Gobart Mitchell,
Speaker 1: Quinn Dennis lindsay iteration of The Utah Jazz is there
Speaker 1: any part of you watching these former jazz players really
Speaker 1: ball out and wonder, like, hmm was that the right?
Speaker 1: Play was that the right?
Speaker 7: Call so to, me it's never about what they go
Speaker 7: on to, do it's about what you go on to
Speaker 7: do when you leave a, relationship when you leave a,
Speaker 7: job when whatever you do it can't be, WELL i
Speaker 7: don't want to leave this Because i'm afraid that they
Speaker 7: might go on to have, success and how that looks on,
Speaker 7: me and how that that cannot be the and why
Speaker 7: you do. It The luca move may have been the
Speaker 7: absolute right. MOVE i don't know under the hood what
Speaker 7: goes on With. Dallas should you have been able to
Speaker 7: get a lot more for? That, yes that was the.
Speaker 7: Failure so if you're gonna make the move Like Greg,
Speaker 7: popovich who you, know anybody can feel how they want about.
Speaker 7: Him he didn't make the move With rodman and then
Speaker 7: be afraid that The bulls might win three, titles because
Speaker 7: if that was the, case then you stay in a
Speaker 7: toxic situation that you don't think is gonna work for.
Speaker 1: What so he doesn't go. Win so now both of you.
Speaker 7: Lose So rodman goes on to win three championships with
Speaker 7: The bulls And Greg popovich has got egg on his
Speaker 7: face and he pretty much fires himself and fires. Him
Speaker 7: somebody puts himself the coach to to, Say, okay now
Speaker 7: i'm gonna see IF i can walk the walk with this.
Speaker 7: Thing i'm gonna put my name on. It we goes
Speaker 7: and wins five. Titles the point was the payoff for.
Speaker 7: You so anytime you make a move like, that the
Speaker 7: focus needs to be on one particular, thing the payoff for.
Speaker 1: You and many times that's long.
Speaker 7: Term Now i'm not saying everybody has to agree with
Speaker 7: every move after the trades With donovan And rudy and all.
Speaker 1: That BUT i got news for.
Speaker 7: You if you stay with that in any, variation any
Speaker 7: shape or, form because nobody was without some sort of
Speaker 7: fault and all of, that, then like in my, opinion
Speaker 7: you're hanging on to something THAT i think would not have.
Speaker 1: Given you the ultimate result that you.
Speaker 7: Wanted you wanted the ultimate result you moved on from,
Speaker 7: Them so you made the right. Change now the question
Speaker 7: is do you make all the right moves after to
Speaker 7: get you the ultimate.
Speaker 1: Dream that's where it's on them.
Speaker 7: Now And danny, Said i'm going to bet on me
Speaker 7: THAT i have the, ability skill and the talent with
Speaker 7: my job if you will to eventually go achieve.
Speaker 1: That now it's on him to do. It but let's
Speaker 1: say he. Doesn't let's Say danny doesn't go on to do.
Speaker 1: IT i do this With bears fans all the. Time
Speaker 1: With Lovey, smith.
Speaker 7: They never fired Love no right, fire wrong hires all
Speaker 7: the way. Out so right move to move on from that?
Speaker 7: Era was it the right choices going? Forward that's on you, now.
Speaker 1: Yep and to your, point it's very much an incomplete
Speaker 1: And i'm not ready to annoint or dismiss because there
Speaker 1: so many options they have at their. DISPOSAL i do
Speaker 1: think before we catch or Break tony and you tell
Speaker 1: me if you, AGREE i think it's only fair to
Speaker 1: say so far the results have been very. MIXED i,
Speaker 1: mean the picks they've, had the young players they've landed,
Speaker 1: on you, know their. DIRECTION i don't, know, MAN i
Speaker 1: just think it's so counter to an athlete to be
Speaker 1: told like we are unseious about, winning even if it's
Speaker 1: the wrong. THING i don't, know, WELL i think it.
Speaker 7: Anyway the one Thing i'll, say AND i know we
Speaker 7: got to get to it's a longer. THING i thought they'd.
Speaker 7: BE i thought they'd be farther. DOWN i thought they'd
Speaker 7: be closer Or i'm not saying to a. CHAMPIONSHIP i
Speaker 7: thought there'd be more progress at this point than what we've.
Speaker 1: See, yeah, NO i think that's. Fair all, Right Tony
Speaker 1: parks live in. Studio team mind us one hour and
Speaker 1: three minutes before THE Nba draft, lottery live here on the,
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Speaker 1: on the dot you will find out where The Utah
Speaker 1: jazz are going to draft coming up this Year june twenty.
Speaker 1: Fifth don't forget we're gonna have Great draft night. Coverage
Speaker 1: it will be, Myself Gordy, chase And Richard. Smith we
Speaker 1: may be out on, about out and about on. Location
Speaker 1: you guys looking for a play to watch the first
Speaker 1: round of the. Draft after our show here in the,
Speaker 1: afternoon we're gonna head out and then do a live
Speaker 1: show for the entire first round of the draft With
Speaker 1: gordy And smitty a wealth of basketball. Knowledge Tony parks
Speaker 1: is live in studio for another big. Segment all, RIGHT
Speaker 1: tp tonight has a chance to be And i'm not being.
Speaker 1: Hyperbolic as big as any moment that The Utah jazz
Speaker 1: have ever, had as big as any moment this team
Speaker 1: has ever. Had we know the deal The jazz have.
Speaker 1: HAD i think this is their tenth lottery. Appearance they've
Speaker 1: never moved. Up they've only moved up via. Trade they
Speaker 1: traded up for D, will a couple of other options
Speaker 1: at their disposal throughout the years where they've elected to move,
Speaker 1: Up but they've never had the ping pong balls bounce
Speaker 1: their way like we're all hoping that it will. Tonight
Speaker 1: so should The jazz get number, One? Tony what does
Speaker 1: that do for both the immediate future and long term
Speaker 1: future of The Utah.
Speaker 7: Jazz number one within its fan base creates a fever
Speaker 7: pitch of energy that instead of this, teardown it's the
Speaker 7: first step to moving up as an. Organization WHAT i
Speaker 7: found amazing in The Quinn snyder era was that twenty fifteen,
Speaker 7: season the first season Of, Snyder towards the end of the,
Speaker 7: year the energy that was there with the team because
Speaker 7: they were. Winning now they had an. Identity you had all.
Speaker 7: That you AND i had a conversation last time we
Speaker 7: were on the, Air it's, like what's the culture of the,
Speaker 7: jazz what's the? Identity what's the when we say JAZZ,
Speaker 7: Dna what does that mean? ANYMORE i, MEAN i would
Speaker 7: love somebody to identify. It it's not.
Speaker 1: Identifiable, yeah you, know you don't think they. KNOW i
Speaker 1: think they're still learning about.
Speaker 7: It and that's WHY i loved the extension for Will
Speaker 7: hardy BECAUSE i, thought, man it's not just unfair to
Speaker 7: this guy to have to slog through this and then
Speaker 7: maybe not have the job when the fruits of the
Speaker 7: labor come. AROUND i think he's proven the duke and.
Speaker 7: Coach i've seen it behind the scenes with the work,
Speaker 7: there with the G league and The stars and all. That, Like,
Speaker 7: no they have a great system and a great culture
Speaker 7: within what they do in order to. Win in THE,
Speaker 7: nba sometimes teams lose and get bad before they become.
Speaker 7: Great someday this would be great because now you get
Speaker 7: the number one. Pick let's say It's cooper. Flag now
Speaker 7: you know it's not, well let's go bottom out some. More,
Speaker 7: no it's let's start to move in positive, directions BECAUSE
Speaker 7: i don't think you would want to Get cooper flag and,
Speaker 7: say now, listen we're gonna have some really bad habits
Speaker 7: on purpose here for a little, while but we need
Speaker 7: you to be the flag bear around. Here, no now
Speaker 7: you got to, start you, know moving the positive. Direction
Speaker 7: AND i think that would be great BECAUSE i think
Speaker 7: jazz fans have been waiting for, that AND i think
Speaker 7: they'd be excited to see that. Happen so that, that to,
Speaker 7: me would be great because now there's a sign of
Speaker 7: good news something they haven't really. Had because the moment
Speaker 7: you have good, news a bunch of trades mid season bottom.
Speaker 1: Out holy, Cow Cooper. Flag so THE nba DRAFT comba
Speaker 1: and it was real That Cooper flag grew an inch
Speaker 1: last year At. Duke, okay now here's WHY i bring it,
Speaker 1: up AND i underscore this all the. Time he turned
Speaker 1: eighteen In, december like this kid should have been a
Speaker 1: senior in high. School he reclassified and then entered college
Speaker 1: because he was ready to, play obviously at the highest of.
Speaker 1: Levels like part of me Thought Richie saunders was going
Speaker 1: to LEAVE byu because he's twenty. Three and if you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be, drafted what you really want
Speaker 1: to do is get to your second, contract third. CONTRACT i, mean,
Speaker 1: hell if Your Chris paul gets your fifth because that's
Speaker 1: when the generational wealth kicks in to your. Point you
Speaker 1: know earlier About Cooper, flax so he is still so,
Speaker 1: young but it feels like he has an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be a difference maker right. Away we're hearing from a
Speaker 1: couple of different. People shams was actually ON tv not
Speaker 1: too long, ago and there's a clip going around where
Speaker 1: he is reporting that if The jazz don't get, one
Speaker 1: they're going to be as aggressive as they can to
Speaker 1: trade up and get number. One what do you think
Speaker 1: that looks? Like so let's say The. Jazz and by the,
Speaker 1: WAY i do Like Dylan. Harper the MORE i Watch Dylan,
Speaker 1: harper there's a little Kid cunningham, There, like that's a
Speaker 1: big guard that you. Need And i'll Remind jazz FANS
Speaker 1: i talk about this all the. Time if you want
Speaker 1: to know what type of Players Danny ainge wants on his,
Speaker 1: team watch The Boston celtics tonight And Jalen brown And
Speaker 1: Jason tatum are the perfect archetype for what you need
Speaker 1: in THE. Nba six' eight, sixty seven six eight big, body,
Speaker 1: guys long can guard, multiple positions do a myriad of.
Speaker 1: Different things dylan can. Do that but If the jazz
Speaker 1: fall and there they don't get, number one but they
Speaker 1: want to, Move up first, of all you have to
Speaker 1: Have a william. Trade partner i'm NOT sure gm wants
Speaker 1: to be the guy That trades. Cooper flag do you
Speaker 1: throw five or six picks to the team that? Has
Speaker 1: won do You, offer lowry do You? Offer, walker like
Speaker 1: If the jazz want to move up, to one what
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 7: It, looks, YEAH well i mean if you want to
Speaker 7: move up, to one first, of all it depends on where.
Speaker 7: You're at and second, of all the team that's holding
Speaker 7: that number one knows what your bank account like in terms, of,
Speaker 7: assets right so they can get, incredibly aggressive and, that
Speaker 7: trade in, my opinion would not be finalized until the
Speaker 7: day of.
Speaker 1: The draft draft day. For, sure, yeah oh it would be.
Speaker 7: The start so the constant conversation is should they?
Speaker 1: Should they? Should?
Speaker 7: THEY well i think the other one There with harper
Speaker 7: back to your point on that great combo guard exactly
Speaker 7: what you're. Talking about so if they GET too i
Speaker 7: could very Well See danny, aims, SAYING look i still
Speaker 7: get a lot OF what, i Want and i'll take
Speaker 7: whichever one, you Don't and i'll hang on to all
Speaker 7: these ASSETS because i need more than just one really
Speaker 7: great player to turn this.
Speaker 1: Thing Around so i'm not going to break the bank for.
Speaker 7: One guy uh going forward with this because if you look, at,
Speaker 7: it yeah with the four years and not a lot
Speaker 7: happening in the process that he had There, with boston
Speaker 7: then eventually you Get those keith number three picks, that
Speaker 7: blossomed and eventually this whole entire thing turned into a
Speaker 7: twelve year process which landed to.
Speaker 1: A championship so with that.
Speaker 7: BEING said i could very much see them staying. At
Speaker 7: two but let's say, something, tragic habbag you're three. Or
Speaker 7: four they want to, get up they want. TO spend
Speaker 7: i think that they would explore with a particular budget
Speaker 7: what it takes to. Get there but this Is, Where
Speaker 7: danny so you did the first part to get all.
Speaker 7: These assets you did the first part to go through the.
Speaker 7: Pain tolerance now you have to become really good at this,
Speaker 7: next phase which he's been able to show that he
Speaker 7: can to get the right guy and to spend and
Speaker 7: do what it takes to get. That guy, so yeah
Speaker 7: he's going to explore all. Of it what does it
Speaker 7: look Like if i'm the number, One team, i'm LIKE
Speaker 7: well i, want, this, this this, This that and then
Speaker 7: if you're the number, one team you got to get Serious,
Speaker 7: about okay well WHAT would i be willing to?
Speaker 1: Settle for that's what makes this. Game, Fun yeah and
Speaker 1: to your point about not being one great, player away,
Speaker 1: m dude they're three or four. Great players Like When.
Speaker 1: OKLAHOMA city i think the final home game For the
Speaker 1: jet this YEAR, was okac AND so i just made
Speaker 1: it a point like just get. Down there, you know
Speaker 1: it's the final. Home game go say hello to, some people,
Speaker 1: you know Go final jazz. HOME game I think i
Speaker 1: went to ten, this year and YOU, and i once upon,
Speaker 1: a time we're at that building way, too much. You,
Speaker 1: know so SO whatever i think, ABOUT that I do
Speaker 1: i want to go to.
Speaker 4: THE game i.
Speaker 1: DON'T know i Feel like i've been to. Enough GAMES
Speaker 1: but i went down TO. Watch Okac scott layden was, in,
Speaker 1: town yeah AND so i was able to Sit with
Speaker 1: Scott and smitty and WE. Watched. Okc tony they've got
Speaker 1: twelve guys that can play at, a high. High Level
Speaker 1: so I'M watching Okc, in denver and you, know this
Speaker 1: like if you're a sports sococ radio Host In Salt,
Speaker 1: lake city you've got to bring it back around for
Speaker 1: the local stuff. At TIMES so i always watched, the
Speaker 1: prison like what does this mean For. The jazz i'm
Speaker 1: Analyzing the jazz against, These teams, And yes i'm analyzing
Speaker 1: them against the best team In the west and one
Speaker 1: of the top two or three teams in. The league
Speaker 1: but THAT'S how i do. THIS job i want to
Speaker 1: hold our local teams, to high. High standards AND when,
Speaker 1: i watch it's not just the top. End guys it's
Speaker 1: Not just Shay and Jalen. And chat they've got eleven
Speaker 1: twelve high quality rotational Pieces That mark dagnel can go
Speaker 1: to at. All times so when you Analyze the jazz
Speaker 1: next to a team, like that they're a marathon away
Speaker 1: from throwing punch INTO the. Okc consistently.
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely and on top of, That too THAT'S why,
Speaker 7: i say if they were to land, at two not the.
Speaker 7: Biggest tragedy you hope they, get one but two is
Speaker 7: also a. Great spot you get a terrific player in
Speaker 7: this process is, you know a much longer road than
Speaker 7: people would want it to be because next year now
Speaker 7: you may have a ton of, the losing but at
Speaker 7: least you're building towards, quality culture a young player to,
Speaker 7: build around and then also looking to the forward to
Speaker 7: now get more like, minded players more like, bodied players if,
Speaker 7: you will like the type Of Player danny angels.
Speaker 1: Looking for, so yes they're more than just one.
Speaker 7: Guy away that's why if they were say two in
Speaker 7: late they move up, TO one i would want them
Speaker 7: spending very little to make. That happen but if a
Speaker 7: tragedy happens that you dropped to something like, you know
Speaker 7: you dropped to you drop, to three or that would
Speaker 7: shock me a.
Speaker 1: LITTLE bit i would be disappointed to see. That happen
Speaker 1: i'll tell you what, you know it feels like your
Speaker 1: point about and we'll just operate off. A, hypothetical okay
Speaker 1: and there's no way of knowing that this is going.
Speaker 1: To happen we'll know in about forty. Five minutes but
Speaker 1: let's operate off the Hypothetical That lady luck shines on
Speaker 1: the jazz tonight for the. First time number one belongs
Speaker 1: To The. Utah jazz cooper flag is. THE pick i
Speaker 1: just feel like part of, the frustration, and look we're
Speaker 1: all on our own, echo, chamber right we all have
Speaker 1: our own. COGNITIVE dissidance i talked to my friends that are,
Speaker 1: jazz FANS and i interact with jazz fans who, you
Speaker 1: know ask me questions online. Or Whatever so i'm not
Speaker 1: Saying that i'm here to speak for the entire, fan
Speaker 1: BASE but i think one of the pieces of frustration
Speaker 1: over the past few years IS what i perceived to
Speaker 1: be a very. Clunky rebuild, and yes they tried to
Speaker 1: send some propaganda message through some media, like hey well
Speaker 1: it's not. A rebuild it was. A teardown now we're ready.
Speaker 1: To rebuild, i'm, like dude that's not how, that works but. Thank,
Speaker 1: You anyway so it's. Been clunky they started out and
Speaker 1: they were Better in will's first YEAR than i think.
Speaker 1: They anticipated they Wait until february to break, it down
Speaker 1: which is, too late and they do the same thing the.
Speaker 1: Next year, And look i'm SORRY because i would talk
Speaker 1: to some people with the jazz and they would say to, me,
Speaker 1: like well we were we thought we, were tanking but
Speaker 1: our coach is. Too GOOD and, i said who Coaches?
Speaker 1: The spurs what are you? Talking, ABOUT like i perceive
Speaker 1: it to be a clunky process through. Three YEARS but
Speaker 1: i think as a, fan base all you want is
Speaker 1: best foot forward and something to. Latch, onto yeah and
Speaker 1: up until, THIS point I think lowry was really special,
Speaker 1: year one but he was also playing with some grown
Speaker 1: Ups Like mike Conley And, kelly olynnok and that's guys
Speaker 1: that not. To win and ever since those players, Were
Speaker 1: jettisoned lowry's playing with kids who don't know how. To
Speaker 1: win and so What does lowry marketing look like when
Speaker 1: this team is. GOOD again i think there's a lot
Speaker 1: to Like, about walker but it's a group of players
Speaker 1: THAT really i think there are a lot of. Questions
Speaker 1: about and so if you Can land, cooper flag even
Speaker 1: if next year is more pain tolerance to the, fan
Speaker 1: base that at least gives them something, To, say okay
Speaker 1: we got, something, here yes and we can be patient
Speaker 1: because we have. Something here but up until, this point
Speaker 1: there just hasn't been a lot to. Latch.
Speaker 7: Onto well the weirdest thing about the early part of
Speaker 7: IT is i kept saying do it? Or, don't right
Speaker 7: like do it? Or, Don't, yep well now you're better
Speaker 7: than you thought you were going, To be like. You
Speaker 7: said it was late that they flushed it out and
Speaker 7: then bottomed out and tried to kind of sort it
Speaker 7: to IT and, i thought, all, RIGHT well i can't
Speaker 7: tell if that's what you were trying to do to
Speaker 7: begin with. Or not at least this past year they were,
Speaker 7: finally like, oh ah we're going for the number. One,
Speaker 7: pick right you can clearly see. It there now there
Speaker 7: was clarity. Going forward you get the number, one pick
Speaker 7: let's Say it's. Cooper flag whatever, it is it Can't be.
Speaker 7: Cooper flag and culture is still kind of not. Really,
Speaker 7: UNDERSTOOD no i want accountability for bad defensive. Principles, HISTORY
Speaker 7: yeah i don't want bad, defensive PRINCIPLES but i don't
Speaker 7: really know what to do.
Speaker 1: About, it, no, no, no no.
Speaker 7: No no And for will and that's sake to have
Speaker 7: that much going forward with the years on his, CONTRACT
Speaker 7: now I think i'm excited for him to be able to,
Speaker 7: have THAT like i, DON'T care i won't, play You
Speaker 7: and i'll play somebody who, you Know Like quinn snyder
Speaker 7: was to the point where it, was, Like yeah i'll.
Speaker 1: Play This rudy gobert guy INSTEAD.
Speaker 2: Of U.
Speaker 7: NIS canner i know you were the, third PICK and
Speaker 7: i Know That rudy gobert's got to stop. Offensive, goaltending
Speaker 7: well we'll get, to it we'll. Get there but the
Speaker 7: big thing was there. Was accountability so When the jazz
Speaker 7: lost nine games in, A row i'm in that locker
Speaker 7: Room in December and i'm looking at confidence coming from
Speaker 7: Guys Like gordon hayward at the TIME and I and
Speaker 7: i by NO means i know that group wasn't gonna
Speaker 7: hoist Up the.
Speaker 1: Larry O'Briant but here's what.
Speaker 7: Was HAPPENING and i kept talking with you during, postgame
Speaker 7: shows going there is, now clarity there, is direction there's
Speaker 7: forward understanding and expectation.
Speaker 5: Of.
Speaker 7: CULTURE now i don't see that the last three years With,
Speaker 7: The jazz so, going forward it can't, be Well there's
Speaker 7: cooper flag and we're, still bottoming, and, no no. YOU'RE
Speaker 7: not i don't care if it's the Equivalent Of jack
Speaker 7: cooley playing for. SOMEBODY else i don't care if you've
Speaker 7: got some g league hopeful that. Steps in but when
Speaker 7: there's a standard of accountability that has to be, there
Speaker 7: now that has to be. There now So, BECAUSE cooper,
Speaker 7: i think let's Say it's Cooper, or dylan whatever, it
Speaker 7: is they need to be developed in that environment and no.
Speaker 7: Other environment and whatever that cost you in the, immediate,
Speaker 7: future fine but that's going to pay. Off later and
Speaker 7: if that lands you another number one or number, two,
Speaker 7: Pick okay and if that lands you forty wins and
Speaker 7: you're kind of in. The middle you've got all these
Speaker 7: picks and assets going forward to make with the abilities
Speaker 7: to get what. You need and by, THE way i
Speaker 7: believe they've had the. Right coach i'm not just. Saying
Speaker 7: it i've believed they've had the right coach who was
Speaker 7: over achieved with a team that was not supposed to
Speaker 7: do what. It DID and i think now once you
Speaker 7: get some dudes who are in the, right mindset culture
Speaker 7: and what he wants, to build combined with top, level
Speaker 7: talent now you're going to.
Speaker 1: Start to see. Special, stuff yeah but there needs to.
Speaker 7: Be, alignment sorry there's no clarity and alignment going forward
Speaker 7: on accountability and.
Speaker 1: Cultural expectation so just so the listeners are kind of
Speaker 1: tapped into what tonight. Could entail so It's, the Jazz,
Speaker 1: the wizards And the hornets all have a fourteen percent
Speaker 1: chance of landing the number. One Pick the pelicans have
Speaker 1: a twelve point five Percent chance philly actually has a
Speaker 1: ten point five. Percent chance this is the second year
Speaker 1: in a Row the wizards have the highest odds to
Speaker 1: land the number. One pick atlanta had a three point
Speaker 1: five percent chance of moving to one, last year which
Speaker 1: they did And Drafted, zachary reschachet who. Looked okay last
Speaker 1: year was not the year to have the number one.
Speaker 1: Overall pick the last time with the team with the
Speaker 1: worst record in the league to have the number one pick,
Speaker 1: twenty Eighteen The. Phoenix suns ever since the lot, excuse
Speaker 1: me the lottery odds were flattened in, twenty nineteen the
Speaker 1: worst team has not had the number one. Overall Pick
Speaker 1: the jazz are one of six franchises that have never
Speaker 1: landed the number one. Overall pick so. WE'LL see, i
Speaker 1: mean this is A lottery and to, Your, POINT tony
Speaker 1: i feel confident SAYING like I Think justin zanik has
Speaker 1: dynamite at. His job And as i've said a, Million
Speaker 1: Times danny ainge doesn't need me to stand up. For
Speaker 1: him the proof Is what danny has done in, his career,
Speaker 1: quite frankly at. Every level like when you Consider what
Speaker 1: danny has done IN the, nba ecosystem, championship player high,
Speaker 1: level coach. Great broadcaster People forget danny was AWESOME on
Speaker 1: tv and now a roster constructor that he Did in
Speaker 1: boston for basically. Twenty years the list of guys in
Speaker 1: league history that have The Resume danny, ainge has it might.
Speaker 1: Be Three, it's Danny It's, jerry west and It's. Pat
Speaker 1: riley that might be.
Speaker 2: The.
Speaker 1: List man so like You've, got zanik You've, Got age
Speaker 1: you've got an ownership group that has shown that they're
Speaker 1: willing to write checks when the team. Is good ryan
Speaker 1: went with the, luxury Tax which i'll give them a
Speaker 1: lot of. Credit FOR and i do agree with YOU
Speaker 1: that I think will can. Really coach Here's where here's
Speaker 1: Where where i'll. Push back so postseason media, this year
Speaker 1: It was xanik and It. Was will and to your
Speaker 1: point about the underwhelming defensive performance a like historically bad
Speaker 1: for two. Straight years so if you're going to tell
Speaker 1: me that you love the talent in your, locker room
Speaker 1: you got to tell me why the defense has been,
Speaker 1: this pathetic and you've got to tell like IF it's
Speaker 1: i think it's a. Talent, Issue right SO when I
Speaker 1: hear Zanik and will postseason, media, say man we got
Speaker 1: a ton of talent in this. Locker room my initial, reaction,
Speaker 1: is no you, don't, Liar right but if you, believe
Speaker 1: that then what does that say about the schematics and
Speaker 1: the concepts, and coaching, BECAUSE look I watch i still
Speaker 1: Watch every. Jazz GAME like, I said i went to
Speaker 1: a grip. THIS year i saw a lot of lazy.
Speaker 1: Defensive EFFORT so i saw a lot of players out.
Speaker 1: OF place i saw a lot of players just not
Speaker 1: looking like they were comfortable with any sort of defensive
Speaker 1: concept or principal. Putting it so is it a talent
Speaker 1: thing or is it a? COACHING thing i think only time.
Speaker 1: WILL tell i think it's A, talent oh it's a.
Speaker 1: Talent thing, i'm SORRY but i watched.
Speaker 7: THAT defense i had a game Against The, memphis GRIZZLIES
Speaker 7: and i went and sat THERE and i thought the
Speaker 7: first half effort was. PRETTY good i mean it was
Speaker 7: a pretty. Good game that third quarter of the defense
Speaker 7: wasn't worth a. FOOD stamp i mean it was. Absolutely
Speaker 7: atrocious and you could see that it was okay for
Speaker 7: the defense to be that bad because when it, got
Speaker 7: bad it.
Speaker 1: Got worse and then when it.
Speaker 7: Got WORSE then i go over the rope and there
Speaker 7: was a feel about that group that this was not
Speaker 7: a one, time Thing and i'd watched them enough to know.
Speaker 7: That TOO and i sat THERE and, i, thought man,
Speaker 7: Oh man i've been in. This arena that was the
Speaker 7: first Jazz game i've been to, in years and Living
Speaker 7: in chicago during, off seasons and we were coming back
Speaker 7: BECAUSE the b season was about to, get started and
Speaker 7: it had been a little WHILE since i had been in,
Speaker 7: the ARENA and i remember, sitting there had a nice
Speaker 7: seat to. The game you ever remember that scene in
Speaker 7: the movie is the most random movie. Poll ever my
Speaker 7: wife watches every movie And so i'll go to the
Speaker 7: Theaters and Age.
Speaker 1: Of adeline you ever? Seen?
Speaker 7: That Anyway, Blake Lively blake lively is the main character in.
Speaker 7: This movie and she's on this date where this guy's
Speaker 7: making dinner for and, he said how's the food, or
Speaker 7: whatever and she, was, like.
Speaker 1: Oh wonderful the opposite of. This music and, he goes
Speaker 1: you don't, like jazz and, she, GOES no i. Like
Speaker 1: jazz this is.
Speaker 7: Something different and that's THE way i Felt sitting i'm
Speaker 7: just being straight out of this Stair man i'm not
Speaker 7: trying to, be harsh but this was the most, different
Speaker 7: thing the feel in, the arena every ounce, of IT
Speaker 7: and i, remember, THINKING man i can't wait until we
Speaker 7: get this thing back someday to be what this. Community
Speaker 7: Expects and i'm not saying the approach to trade those
Speaker 7: guys and bottom out, And build i'm not. Saying that i'm, just,
Speaker 7: SAYING man i have never felt like this sitting in.
Speaker 7: This arena and YOU and i were part Of A
Speaker 7: jamal Tinsley Team jay. Tims distress every.
Speaker 1: Time we went Home.
Speaker 7: To brooklyn we were, just like we're just, looking around
Speaker 7: but like there were, bad teams but, you're, like okay
Speaker 7: but you can see where they want. TO go i
Speaker 7: sat there in that, arena, THINKING man i think this coach.
Speaker 7: Can coach there's a LOT that, I LIKE but whoa was?
Speaker 1: That bad, you know it's interesting you bring, that up
Speaker 1: because Here's what i've been and maybe you've heard me
Speaker 1: say this and maybe we've talked, about it because the
Speaker 1: fact of the, matter is jazz fans. Are awesome they do.
Speaker 1: Show up and Every time i've been in that building
Speaker 1: throughout this, entire process more often, than not The crowd,
Speaker 1: UH so i guess THE way i, put it the crowd,
Speaker 1: is present people are in. Their, seats yeah people, show
Speaker 1: up but it does not feel like if you were
Speaker 1: in the building When That Donovan rubio joe ingles when They.
Speaker 1: Beat okac what was that twenty. Eighteen nineteen that's the
Speaker 1: first TIME that i had heard it like that in.
Speaker 1: A while but it felt like that During The Peak booze.
Speaker 1: Darren years the nineties obviously. WERE insane i WAS a
Speaker 1: pr intern in ninety seven ninety Eight for Day OF,
Speaker 1: all RD so i was in. The building, so yes
Speaker 1: the crowd, is there but it doesn't sound or feel
Speaker 1: the way it does when Like peak jazz are playing
Speaker 1: big games in. The spring this is a unique fan
Speaker 1: situation When the jazz are really good and when it's
Speaker 1: in the spring and its playoffs and they're winning playoff
Speaker 1: games at. Home there i'll put that building up with
Speaker 1: any Building. In america with the.
Speaker 7: Noise level, you know IT was, i willing just the
Speaker 7: energy that that deep roar with the. Defense, change yeah,
Speaker 7: every deflection the way that the crowd. WILL rise i
Speaker 7: Mean the favors hits the jumper to put them up five.
Speaker 1: That, night, uh huh.
Speaker 7: Because you could feel the tension with the lead going,
Speaker 7: away yep And maybe donovan might be injured, or, No
Speaker 7: uh rubio with the hamstring and, you're going oh, my
Speaker 7: Gosh and favors HITS the ja to put him up
Speaker 7: five and the electric reaction to that bucket.
Speaker 1: GOING in i, don't, know man stuff. Like that the
Speaker 1: only thing.
Speaker 7: That saved that NIGHT when i was There Was devin
Speaker 7: hester came out to THROW out t shirts and that
Speaker 7: the most random good and it was right in front,
Speaker 7: of us and my wife went absolutely the daughter Wearing
Speaker 7: A chicago girls.
Speaker 1: SHIRT and i.
Speaker 7: Mean that my wife, was, like yeah this is nice
Speaker 7: and she went from zero to one hundred with fever.
Speaker 1: Pitch. Excitement yeah but like that was.
Speaker 7: The only thing to save the night because the first
Speaker 7: half was Great and, i'm thinking we got a. Good
Speaker 7: game let's go watch this GREAT entertaining. Nba game and
Speaker 7: the next half.
Speaker 1: Was vomit and it wasn't.
Speaker 7: The exception it was the rule and you could. Feel
Speaker 7: it and to, that point the feeling in the arena, was.
Speaker 1: Yes kind of out goes yes kind of how.
Speaker 7: It is it, wasn't oh there's a, talent gap but, there's,
Speaker 7: this this and then, oh no it's just there's a
Speaker 7: talent gap and it's no. Direction EITHER and i had
Speaker 7: never felt that in, that ARENA and i never knew
Speaker 7: what that.
Speaker 1: Felt, like yeah you Was a, knicks fan probably felt
Speaker 1: unfortunately tonight might be the biggest game the next have
Speaker 1: PLAYED at msg since nineteen. Ninety nine that's fair game
Speaker 1: seven last Year against indiana in the. Second round but
Speaker 1: they got their doors blown off By. The pacers but
Speaker 1: That okayc, jazz series it had so many like shocking
Speaker 1: Subplots where rubio Just Outplayed russell Westbrook And joe Ingles
Speaker 1: Shut paul george's, water, off dude and nobody saw, that.
Speaker 1: Coming right that was Like The joe ingles introduction into
Speaker 1: LIKE the nba ecosystem Nationally Because paul george cannot do Anything,
Speaker 1: on ingles which, was, WILD right i, don't, know, Man.
Speaker 7: Well and you felt like, Your Coaching, quinn snyder was the.
Speaker 7: Difference Maker, m like all of, a sudden you shouldn't
Speaker 7: be the. Better team you're not the. Better team you're
Speaker 7: even a, little injured, and right you get all. This
Speaker 7: happened but you got this young budding star and there
Speaker 7: was so much to like about.
Speaker 1: This team that was kind, Of, like hey who are?
Speaker 7: These guys, you know it was a year After The.
Speaker 7: GORDON hayward, i mean there was something. About THAT and
Speaker 7: i was around that Team In. OKLAHOMA city i was
Speaker 7: around that Team In salt lake and that whole. Entire,
Speaker 7: thing Yeah The paul, george Thing The russell, westbrook thing
Speaker 7: And then.
Speaker 1: DONOVAN being I. Mean donovan. THAT was, i mean that
Speaker 1: was the first TIME that i had heard FROM people
Speaker 1: i know around the League about mitchell watching that, playoff,
Speaker 1: Series Right.
Speaker 7: Russell, WESTBROOK sayman i almost shut. That, down nope and
Speaker 7: then coming right out and it got.
Speaker 1: Worse yea And watching donovan be the primary go to
Speaker 1: player in the playoffs as. A rookie. That was that
Speaker 1: was the FIRST time, i went, All right dennis has
Speaker 1: built something here that's going to be sustainable for a long.
Speaker 1: Long time but unfortunately not everything. Can, lasts HEY before
Speaker 1: i set, You loose i've not talked to You About dan.
Speaker 1: Roberts either Thought About dan roberts summoned down after decades
Speaker 1: of the highest levels of a job that you know
Speaker 1: how to do when you ARE the pa.
Speaker 7: Announcer of an arena you are part of the that is.
Speaker 7: The ring there's, the smells there's, the sound but the
Speaker 7: Sounds Of. Dan roberts there was something about running up
Speaker 7: the stairs and hearing him do a sprite read and
Speaker 7: you can just feel the energy and the tempo and
Speaker 7: the build up to. The game it's there's so many
Speaker 7: little things you could never even know. UNTIL it i
Speaker 7: mean it would take me an hour to break it.
Speaker 7: All down that made him the best IN. The nba
Speaker 7: he could feel out that every single night the crowd
Speaker 7: had a, different vibe feel the game did it and
Speaker 7: he would have the perfect way to use his voice
Speaker 7: and his. Energy perfectly he was Never like i'm just
Speaker 7: gonna be this way all. The, time no he could feel.
Speaker 7: It out so when he did the college games that
Speaker 7: were there and maybe there was a lighter crowd or.
Speaker 7: More energetic i've never seen anybody perfect that better. Than
Speaker 7: him there will never be anybody IN the nba better,
Speaker 7: than him because he had a sense.
Speaker 1: That nobody else. Will HAVE and i tried not.
Speaker 7: To, replicate him but to learn that piece of. The,
Speaker 7: art SURE and i FELT like i knew something, of
Speaker 7: it but, his level it wasn't just the experience me
Speaker 7: had it in his, earlier years, the, voice obviously but
Speaker 7: it was he had more SKILL than i think anybody
Speaker 7: could ever give him. Credit, for so if you understand
Speaker 7: the art of public, address announcing you realized. His skill
Speaker 7: and so HE and i had plenty of conversations, about
Speaker 7: that and there was nothing. Like it, Last thing, I'LL
Speaker 7: say i was supposed to host this big thing for
Speaker 7: him for a. Milestone game still have the, voice voicemail.
Speaker 1: And he called Me. Out parks This, is roberts blah.
Speaker 7: Blah blah i'm supposed to talk to you about some
Speaker 7: leaping huha coming. Up, TOMORROW look i don't want, ANY
Speaker 7: bs i don't want any. Of this just keep, it
Speaker 7: simple make, the announcement make sure everybody knows HOW much i,
Speaker 7: appreciate him and let's move to.
Speaker 1: THE game i. Love, it, look man you've got a
Speaker 1: flight to. Catch YEP so i appreciate. YOUR time SLBs Dot, com,
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Speaker 1: plenty of great fireworks nights. Coming up check us out
Speaker 1: at The new Ballpark At America. First square great to,
Speaker 1: see him, My Guy tony parks twenty. Minutes away twenty
Speaker 1: minutes from, right now we will learn Where The utah
Speaker 1: jazz will draft coming up IN The nba Draft on
Speaker 1: june the twenty fifth Round one june the Twenty. Fifth
Speaker 1: round two is the. Twenty sixth it's a two day e,
Speaker 1: end now it has been for a couple. Of years
Speaker 1: we'll say. GOOD night a little, bit earlier we're going
Speaker 1: to send you OVER To espn radios live coverage OF
Speaker 1: Tonight's nba. Draft lottery just a little bit of a
Speaker 1: primer and a reminder of Where the jazz. Are at
Speaker 1: they have a fourteen percent chance of landing the number one,
Speaker 1: overall pick as Do the wizards And. The Hornets the
Speaker 1: pelicans have a twelve point five, percent chance the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers ten, point five nets, At nine raptors at seven.
Speaker 1: Point Five The San antonio spurs have a six percent
Speaker 1: chance of winning. Tonight's, Lottery porter what is the what
Speaker 1: is the reaction from the Basketball world if tonight's lottery
Speaker 1: is Revealed And san antonio has moved up To Draft
Speaker 1: cooper flag and put him Next to Victor, whom.
Speaker 3: Man they would kind of like officially be the most,
Speaker 3: fortunate team and not only the most fortunate but doing
Speaker 3: it well and timing. It well the fact that they
Speaker 3: went all out and tanked not just at any at,
Speaker 3: any point but to get tim duncan you Know The david.
Speaker 3: Robbinson stuff all of it has happened in a time
Speaker 3: frame where you got to tip your cap. To him
Speaker 3: but also if it worked to go down like, that
Speaker 3: tonight there is a large share of luck maybe if,
Speaker 3: you want, but man it's an organizations put themselves in
Speaker 3: the right position at the.
Speaker 1: Right times i'll say That the jazz also are guaranteed
Speaker 1: of a top, five pick which is really really. Good
Speaker 1: news they have a fifty two chance of staying in the.
Speaker 1: Top four the last time the team with the worst
Speaker 1: record IN the nba received the number one overall pick
Speaker 1: was six seven years, ago now When The phoenix suns
Speaker 1: had the twenty eighteen pick in. Twenty nineteen they have
Speaker 1: flattened the lottery yards and since, that day the worst
Speaker 1: team and the has not received the number one. Overall
Speaker 1: pick so we'll have to kind of see how it.
Speaker 1: Goes now but we are eighteen. Minutes away but who
Speaker 1: we got on. The desk We've Got, Shams sharani We've
Speaker 1: Got Jay Billis kendrick perkins somehow continues to. Stay employed
Speaker 1: i'll leave my opinion, off air Or maybe i've just
Speaker 1: brought it.
Speaker 2: On air.
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that that dude keeps. A job,
Speaker 1: But whatever, All, right porter let me get your take,
Speaker 1: on this because we haven't talked to you. About This
Speaker 1: dynamic shams and some others on the intrawebs have reported
Speaker 1: that If the jazz do not get number, one tonight
Speaker 1: they will be very active to try to move up to.
Speaker 1: Number one now that's really nice, in theory but if
Speaker 1: you're Running The charlotte hornets And The washington wizards And
Speaker 1: the pelicans, or whatever it would take a lot to
Speaker 1: be the general manager Who Traded. Cooper flag if all
Speaker 1: of these scouts are right on their projections and he
Speaker 1: is a fifteen to EIGHTEEN year nba, superstar player what
Speaker 1: do you think that. Looks like let's say The j
Speaker 1: as fall the three, or, four yeah and they want
Speaker 1: to move up. To one what do you think it? Would, Take,
Speaker 1: YEAH man i don't KNOW if i see.
Speaker 3: THAT happening i don't KNOW if i really see any
Speaker 3: team moving off of the number one pick. THIS year
Speaker 3: i think if It, were charlotte you might have a
Speaker 3: little more luck than it if It. Were washington that's
Speaker 3: part of the, Variable too spencer's if it's Not, the
Speaker 3: jazz who, is it because that plays a part in
Speaker 3: if you were able to get a deal done, As
Speaker 3: well and then you have to also look at the
Speaker 3: other teams who have that kind, of Assets The Oklahoma
Speaker 3: city thunder and others who might be able to make
Speaker 3: a move to move up in the draft to get
Speaker 3: into the top two, or three which is really really
Speaker 3: where you want to be in twenty. Twenty five, YOU
Speaker 3: know i don't know that you you see that happen.
Speaker 3: This year but What the jazz have is as many
Speaker 3: assets as any team in the league to get into, Those,
Speaker 3: conversation spence and also get into other conversations as trade
Speaker 3: talks heat up around the, draft time because that's that's
Speaker 3: SOMETHING that i think we have to keep our. Eye
Speaker 3: on If the jazz Don't Get, cooper flag keep an
Speaker 3: eye on trades that Don't Involve cooper flag as well,
Speaker 3: this offseason Because the jazz could pivot a little bit
Speaker 3: and now acquire other young talent they could really shift
Speaker 3: off Of The jordan Clarkson's The, john collins the others that,
Speaker 3: you know expiring contracts and other to get involved in non.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Draft trades that's something that could very much happen during
Speaker 3: the draft.
Speaker 1: As well so let's kind of just review some of
Speaker 1: this stuff as far as how this could potentially. Go
Speaker 1: down the lottery Is, in chicago WHERE The Nba draft
Speaker 1: combine is also, Taking place So the jazz Along, with
Speaker 1: washington Along with charlotte with the best chance of landing
Speaker 1: the number one. Overall, pick now remember the lottery only
Speaker 1: determines one Through four five through fourteen is determined simply
Speaker 1: by inverse, of record so not every single slot IN
Speaker 1: The nba draft lottery is determined by this lottery as
Speaker 1: far as how it. Goes, down now again as a,
Speaker 1: reference earlier and this is important to keep.
Speaker 2: In MIND.
Speaker 1: And i usually just kind of err on the side
Speaker 1: of listening to scouts that analyze these prospects as their
Speaker 1: day to. Day job it didn't used to be, Like
Speaker 1: that like it's the media game has changed a little
Speaker 1: bit where there's so many people who specialize in, one element,
Speaker 1: one dynamic not even just. ONE sport, i mean in,
Speaker 1: college football the ecosystem. Is, wild LIKE if i want
Speaker 1: to talk About a utah football high, School recruit i'm
Speaker 1: going to listen to the recruiting services that have watched
Speaker 1: this kid play since he was fourteen. Or whatever i'm
Speaker 1: not going to try to analyze Some kid i've seen
Speaker 1: five or. Six times so when you read what the
Speaker 1: scouts have to say ABOUT The nba draft, THIS year
Speaker 1: i feel like most people believe it's a, four player,
Speaker 1: game changing franchise piece. Potential, draft, okay well the worst,
Speaker 1: case SCENARIO if i could just say the most obvious
Speaker 1: THING that i could say in, the microphone If the
Speaker 1: jazz fall to five, this year that's where, and Look
Speaker 1: Maybe trey johnson turns out to be a. Steal right
Speaker 1: but when you read about most of the rankings and
Speaker 1: most of, the analysis it's a one tier Draft With
Speaker 1: cooper flag at. The top AND then i think there
Speaker 1: are a lot. Of people, you know there are some
Speaker 1: media members and people that cover the league that really
Speaker 1: just try to zig when everyone else. Is zagging like
Speaker 1: When wembn yama, was available we'd have guests on The
Speaker 1: Show big hey kind Of like Scoot and, you're, like
Speaker 1: dude don't. DO that i don't think there's anybody who
Speaker 1: has been as Audacious About dylan harper as they Were About,
Speaker 1: scoot henderson who's a fine, young player but not near
Speaker 1: the game. Changing player the Victor woman yam is so
Speaker 1: one tier The top. Cooper flag he's on the tier.
Speaker 1: By HIMSELF but i do think there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people that seem To Believe dylan harper at two
Speaker 1: has a chance to be a game changing, franchise pillar
Speaker 1: and he does rem up so more AND more I
Speaker 1: Watched DYLAN harper i was watching some. Last night he
Speaker 1: does remind Me Of, kate COUNYINGHAM and i don't love the,
Speaker 1: comp THING but i do think it gives fans and
Speaker 1: folks that are just curious kind of an idea of
Speaker 1: what these players are gonna. Look Like so Cooper won dylan.
Speaker 1: AT two i think a lot of People Believe ace
Speaker 1: bailey is the third. Best prospect We had tom haberstraw
Speaker 1: on earlier that said he would Go. Vj edgecomb bless
Speaker 1: you say, Something intelligent, BLESS you.
Speaker 3: I, will Say while i'm not one who is Going
Speaker 3: to zeke while everyone, IS zagging i Do like harper really.
Speaker 1: Good defender you mentioned That The kate cunningham comp.
Speaker 3: Just kind of a prototype of what you want as a,
Speaker 3: wing scorer but doesn't dominate.
Speaker 1: The, BALL really i don't know if that's, smart enough
Speaker 1: but it was. Very intelligent and by, the way that's
Speaker 1: a huge UPSET that i only. SNEEZED once i, usually
Speaker 1: Like if, i'm sneezing you're getting three. Or four the
Speaker 1: FACT that i only had one there is a. Huge
Speaker 1: upset it's it's it's part of your. Your job you
Speaker 1: gotta get a it. On here, it's true but only
Speaker 1: had one. Sneeze, there anyway back TO what i, WAS
Speaker 1: saying i feel like If the jazz stay in the,
Speaker 1: top four they are going to get a player that
Speaker 1: the fan base is going to like. A Lot to
Speaker 1: porter's Point About, Dylan harper ace is, a project but
Speaker 1: man is he built exactly the way you want your
Speaker 1: MODERN day nba wing to. Be built and he's six ten,
Speaker 1: six eleven but he can. Handle it he's more of.
Speaker 1: A wing AND then byu FANS.
Speaker 2: Remember.
Speaker 1: Vj edgecomb he had a really good Game in provo.
Speaker 1: This year but then From everything, i've read at the
Speaker 1: least it appears that there's a drop off between four,
Speaker 1: And Five So, Cooper Flag, Dylan Harper ACE. Bailey vj
Speaker 1: edgecomb according to what most scouts seem to be reporting and,
Speaker 1: talking about are all are all players that you can
Speaker 1: get really. Excited about it's If the jazz fall to
Speaker 1: five tonight where the wind will just go out of. The,
Speaker 1: sales now of course you want one. Bottom line but
Speaker 1: as we talked about, earlier today the News That yannas
Speaker 1: Sante to cumbo is now willing to find a new
Speaker 1: place to Play And mark lasry are very. C owner
Speaker 1: he Owns A milwaukee bucks that has that's a good front,
Speaker 1: office there, you know good reputation for doing right by.
Speaker 1: Their players they'll work in. Lockstep together now at the
Speaker 1: end of, the day the job of the front office
Speaker 1: is too simply do what's right for the organization and
Speaker 1: do what's right for. The city but a Guy like
Speaker 1: giannis is different because He brought milwaukee their FIRST title
Speaker 1: i think in. Fifty, years okay so YOU know i
Speaker 1: drew the Parallel Between kevin garnett a little. Bit earlier
Speaker 1: Garnett gave minnesota a decade of, high quality, elite play
Speaker 1: and they could never surround him with the talent that
Speaker 1: he needed at his disposal of the. Win championship so
Speaker 1: he Went to, minnesota, SAID look i gave you, A
Speaker 1: decade i'd like to land with. A Contender danny ainge
Speaker 1: trades for Him, in boston and of course the rest.
Speaker 1: Is history that was a really good Team With paul
Speaker 1: Pierce And ray ALLEN. And kg this feels a little
Speaker 1: bit Similar where Yannis gave milwaukee twelve years brought them,
Speaker 1: a championship and still to, this day it's. DIFFERENT now
Speaker 1: i think with the habits that a lot of players
Speaker 1: have and the ability to take care of their body
Speaker 1: a little, bit Differently like lebron's played at a high
Speaker 1: level into, his FORTIES and i keep hearing, people, Say
Speaker 1: well yiannis's thirties run out. OF time i Don't think
Speaker 1: giannis is running out of time. At all with the
Speaker 1: way that dude takes care of, HIS body i think
Speaker 1: we Could see giannis play high level basketball for. Another
Speaker 1: DECADE so i bring it up because the teams that
Speaker 1: have been talked about today that could realistically make a
Speaker 1: Play for giannis are, very similar some of them at
Speaker 1: least to Where the jazz find themselves a rebuilding team
Speaker 1: with a compendium of, draft assets, clean books and some decent.
Speaker 1: Young players but nobody's talking About the jazz as an
Speaker 1: option because you hear Teams Like oklahoma City And san Antonio,
Speaker 1: and houston teams with some draft capital but also. Good
Speaker 1: Players because milwaukee's GONNA want i use this, hypothetical EARLIER
Speaker 1: and i actually do think you. Consider It jalen williams
Speaker 1: Chat hoolm grin four or five Picks. For giannis then
Speaker 1: You put giannis Next to shay for, a Decade And
Speaker 1: oklahoma city would be even more impossible than they are.
Speaker 1: Right Now the jazz do not have the package to
Speaker 1: match what other teams could Offer. For, yiannis unless in
Speaker 1: ten minutes from, right now the lottery luck goes, their
Speaker 1: way the ping pong balls bounce the way they, need
Speaker 1: to And the jazz get number, one overall then you
Speaker 1: can enter into Conversations for Jannis or Durant or booker.
Speaker 1: Or whoever so ten, Minutes, away porter let's get out
Speaker 1: of here before we say a. Good night what comes
Speaker 1: our way Out of tuesday edition of.
Speaker 3: The, show, yeah man On a, tuesday show, of course
Speaker 3: we will react TO The nba, Draft Lottery, Andy larson
Speaker 3: he'll be LIVE The nba combine. As well tim McMahon
Speaker 3: stops by FOR The Nba daily assist an Hour With Richard,
Speaker 3: Smitty smith.
Speaker 1: So a lot, of basketball a lot.
Speaker 4: Of.
Speaker 3: Jazz offseason we'll Chat with limitale all poly campus and
Speaker 3: college football, as well but all hoops as. We react
Speaker 3: the draft, lottery next And the Knicks and celtics, after
Speaker 3: that