Speaker 1: At a book in.
Speaker 2: Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous, and with that in mind,
I'm just gonna call it Kindra. Kindra. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: It's good to be here, Vic, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. Thanks for your time. Keindra,
Please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: I'm about fifty four years old. I have three grown,
wonderful children that live all over the place. I have
three wonderful dogs and a cat.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you've carved a good life out for yourself.
Speaker 1: I sure try. Vic.
Speaker 2: Well, that's great. That's how it should be. Kendrick, you're
pretty upset the first time we spoke about your encounter.
But where are you now? From a mental standpoint?
Speaker 1: I really feel a lot better about all of this
since I talked to you. I mean, I hadn't really
talked about it. It's been nearly five years. I didn't
even realize how bad I felt about it and how
still scared I was. Every day. I can tell you
I still think about those glowing eyes every day, but
at least they're not They're not as point meant as
it was. They they're kind of feeding now they're not.
I'm not ready to go walking in the woods by
myself yet, but maybe I can. So that's a lot
better than I was.
Speaker 2: Well, like I told you, in good time, I think
you will get there. But please don't forget to take
baby steps. There's no rush. The woods aren't going to
go anywhere. They're going to be there.
Speaker 1: You're right, I need to think of it more like
that too. But I hope to be able to take
the dogs for a walk down there.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you can too. It's coming, It's just
going to take time. You mentioned that it's been about
five years since you've even talked about that encounter. I
know that you told two people about the experience, but
who were they?
Speaker 1: My son was just I actually only told him maybe
about a month ago. My boyfriend, though I called him
right after the experience because I was totally freaking out.
It was really really early in the morning, too, so
I knew he was still love. But this was during
COVID and I would say late January of twenty twenty
while driving to work, and recently I actually told my
mom about it on Thanksgiving, but before that nobody knew.
Only my boyfriend and I for years until very recently,
within the last month or so two months.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not easy to talk about an experience like that,
I get it. Do you think the isolation you experienced
during the pandemic is one of the reasons why you
had so much trouble dealing with that encounter?
Speaker 1: Probably? I mean when I was working at the quarry
that was considered to be you had to go to work.
I wasn't off any of the time that everybody else
was off for COVID. I went to work every day.
You were considered essential due to the maintenance of roads basically,
so I was an essential worker. Actually carried a letter
in my car just in case I got pulled over
that said, yes, I'm supposed to be out on the road.
I am an essential worker. But thinking about how dark
it was there and even at the quarry where I worked,
that was on my mind quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was a bet it was on
your mind all the time. Did your job there at
the Stone Quarry require you to work alone in remote
areas out there?
Speaker 1: Yes, I was in the scalehouse, which was not attached
to the office. It was on the actual opposite side
of the quarry. So like management was over at the
one office near the river, and then I was all
the way in the back, closer to the woods. Actually
the woods surround the quarry except for where it's on
the river. But there's there's several hundred acres that are
involved in that. Yeah, and I would have to I
was supposed to be at work by five thirty at
that time, and then they actually made it closer to five.
So I was leaving for work at like four point
thirty in the morning. It was a good forty five
minute drive, but I always you know, left myself a
little time in case something happened, you know, or I
wanted to stop and get a coffee or something. I
tried to build fifteen minutes into my commute, just so okey,
something like maybe I don't know, maybe I got pulled over.
I mean, hope I didn't have that, or a flat
tire or something like that. I still do it now too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that couldn't have been easy at all. And speaking
of not easy, almost any scalehouse I've ever seen at
a place like a quarry was just nothing but windows.
Is that how yours was?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was all windows. Actually, that's funny, you say,
that because I used to think that I was almost
like a zoo animal, like everybody could just see in.
I didn't necessarily be able to see anybody out there
in the dark. But yeah, and it was really dark
then because it was winter, so the sun wasn't coming
up to what seven something like that, And I would
work until four thirty five o'clock every day, so it
was a long day for sure, and it was dark,
and there was a lot of wildlife there, a huge
amount of wildlife.
Speaker 2: Actually, wow, you poor thing. That couldn't have been easy.
I'm sure it goes with that scene. You kept that
door locked, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, all the time that door was locked twenty
fourth sevid. Even if I was in there, people would
have to knock, or if they had a key. Of
course management had a key, but they would knock. And
that door had windows on it too. The only place
in the scalehouse that there was a small, little, tiny
bathroom with a sink and a toilet that didn't have
any windows. But you know, obviously you don't want windows
in there, really.
Speaker 2: No, definitely you wouldn't. Did you do anything back then
to try and make it easier to get up and
go out? Into the darkness to leave for work, and
then to get to work in the dark and sit
in the scale house salone. Did you ever do anything
to try and lessen the difficulty of doing that or
were you just stuck having to do it with no relief.
Speaker 1: I was stuck having to do it with no relief.
I mean, I would have loved to have told you.
I would have loved it. Brought a dog to work
with me at least, just nothing else for the company.
But obviously that creates a liability issue for the quarry.
You know, if your dog bit somebody or something like that,
then that would be a problem. So I wasn't allowed
to do that. But I would have loved to have
done something like that. Not that they could protect me
from one of them, but maybe just having somebody with
me would have made me feel better. It got awful
lonely in there, especially during COVID. It wasn't very busy,
so there were long days just sitting there all day
by myself.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's not easy at all. I feel for you,
I really do. You didn't get a very good look
at the dog, meaning that you saw that morning. Do
you see that as being a good thing? Or a
bad thing.
Speaker 1: I think both. Actually, that's funny you say that, because
I've thought about that. The thought of actually seeing the
entire portion of that, I think would have been much
more traumatic. So even though I was traumatized by what
I did see, I'm really glad I didn't see the
rest of him. I mean, I think it was a him.
I don't know. I just always kind of thought it
was a hymn. But those eyes were bad enough just
to scare anybody. I mean, really, it was quite terrifying.
I don't even think that that even starts to tell
you how afraid I was. Terrifying is just the only
word I can think of that conveys part of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you see big amber eyes like that that
are that far apart in that size, it really does
cut down on the chances of what it could possibly be,
especially at seeing in this pie off the ground as
they were. But I don't want to reveal too much.
And with that in mind, let's talk about this encounter now.
Please give us every last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is in northern Harford County, Maryland. I was
driving to work like every other day and didn't think
much about it. My boyfriend at the time is not
working during COVID for obvious reasons. He wasn't considered essential,
but I was. So I would get up every morning
about three point thirty and you know, kind of get
myself together and I would usually leave out about four
thirty in the morning, and I took the same way
every day. There wasn't much traffic out on the road,
I will tell you, and most places were open, like
wah wah or you know highs or some small little
place convenience stores. So I was about eight nine miles
away from home, and I was in a residential area.
It's really right outside on the outskirts of bel Air, Maryland,
and it was actually called Prospect Mill Road, which is
part residential on one side and the other side had
some open area like that had been a farm and
they were a sanctuary at the time. It's only thirty
miles an hour there, so I know, I tried not
to speed because there wasn't many people on the road.
So really the police were quite active trying to you know,
I guess make their quota every month, so I was
really careful about that because it was really easy to
go faster on that road. It was pretty much straight
all the way up until you get close to the school,
so I was probably about halfway through the residential area,
and it was pretty much pitch black. There's not many
street lights on that road, and the headlights on my
car were not great. I will tell you. I did
have the brights on, but they had a recall for
it because it was so bad. But the brights. If
I didn't have those on, I couldn't barely see two
feet in front of the car. So the brights were on,
and all of a sudden I caught something out of
the right side, like like diagonally right. It was in yard,
and they were these huge, bright yellow eyes. They were
very large, and I mean like probably the size of
a baseball, like really big. They were pretty high up.
There's an elevation right there where the house was kind
of up on a little bit of a hill, I
mean not a big hill, just like a little bit
higher elevation than where I was on the road, so
that may have made it look even bigger. And of
course I was sitting down because I was driving, and
there was a very big tree there and I could
only make out kind of like some of the branches.
As I was driving, it almost appeared to be in
slow motion, like I think I took my foot off
the gas. I don't know for sure, but just because
of how slow it felt, I think I did that.
And I was locked in with these eyes. I couldn't
even seem to like look away. If there had been
something in front of me, I would have probably hit it.
But since they were off kind of to the right
and they were moving not fast, I think that at
first they were moving more. But I think when we
and I say this creature, this very large creature, we
just kind of locked in on these eyes. And I
kept thinking, oh god, it's looking at me. And I
was like, no, it's not looking at you. You know,
it sees the car. And then, which is probably the
scariest part of all of this in my head, I heard, no,
I'm looking at you, and I was like, oh my god,
like I have never been so fearful. Please know. I
don't go out to the woods. I mean, I used
to ride horses all the time. I would trail ride,
but never in the woods. It would be more like
in you know, the field or whatever, or an open
area like you know, the telephone pole or electrical outlet lines.
You know, I would do that, but never like in
the woods. There just wasn't any trails in the woods
where I rode, So I just haven't been out there
like that. And when I heard that in my head,
I that that was the most frightening part. I just
I mean, this thing could hear what I was thinking.
I mean, so monsters are real. Now, you know, I've
been told all my life, no, these things don't exist,
They're fairy tales whatever. And now not only do monsters exist,
because I'm looking at this thing, not only do they exist,
but they can hear what you think. So I mean,
think about that. If you think about that, like if
you were trying to escape this, it can hear what
you're thinking, so it knows what you're going to do.
I mean, he was traveling in the opposite direction of me.
And as soon as I heard that and I kind
of broke eye contact with it, I just floored it.
And I really didn't care how fast I was going, honestly,
I mean, I'm sure I would have gotten a bad ticket,
but I didn't care. And now at the time, I
had no idea what this thing was. I want to
kind of describe this thing or how I saw it,
even though I didn't see much of it. It was
standing or moving very slowly at this point near a
very large tree that had some pretty thick branches off
of it. I do believe that there was some pointed
ears up there. I do think that they were not
something I could see that. I think a branch was
in front of that, or maybe some dried leaves something
was in front of that. But I do remember seeing
some points up there. It was blacker than black, and
I will tell you that it was really really dark anyways,
but it was blacker than black, and it just really
faded in with that. The tree was so dark anyways,
and even the house. I think the house was like
a dark red brick, so there wasn't a lot of
contrast in there. But these eyes were just haunting. Like
I said, they were very very large. And when he
told me in my head that he was looking at me,
they kind of moved forward a little bit, and that's
when I think I was like, oh my god, and
I literally took off. He seemed to move and keep
going in the opposite direction, which I will forever be
thankful for. Like I said, vic I did not have
any idea about these things. I did know about you know,
people had reported seeing Bigfoot, and especially in the you know,
Pacific Northwest, and I've always thought, well, if that many
people are reporting this, it has to be real. I mean,
these people don't know each other, they're from different walks
of life, different times, since you know, all the way
back in the eighteen hundreds, and Indians, Native Americans known
about these things. So if you got all those people
reporting that type of thing, I do believe that that's real.
I've kind of like with aliens, are we the only
people in the universe? Absolutely not. I do not believe
that we are the only people here are not necessarily here,
but in the space. If you, I mean, you would
have to be pretty much thinking that you were the
only thing in the world to be thinking that we're
the only thing in the universe. So but I didn't
redually just think about that. I didn't just say oh, okay,
well this thing must I had no idea what this was.
I was trying to convince myself it was an owl
for the longest time, and I was like, no, this
is not an owl. Owls don't have self illuminating blowing eyes.
There was no light. This wasn't a reflection of the eyes.
This was they glowed by themselves. They were lit up
by themselves. And they were very bright, very round, very big,
and pretty far apart. I would say, I'm going to
tell you, I think about four inches apart. And I
can tell you that because we stared at each other
very and obviously he was looking at me, not the car,
but yeah, and I just kept saying, what in the
heck is that? And that I mean, you know, use
your imagination. It wasn't heck, but I was just like, wow,
what the freaking is that? Over and over?
Speaker 2: You scared me? Sorry, please continue.
Speaker 1: I mean they were big and oh you made me laugh. Now, well,
thank you, because I was getting a little bit too
intense on those things in my head. Again. Yeah, I'll
never forget this as long as I live. I imagine
even if I got dementia, I'd still remember those eyes.
So what happened was I called my boyfriend in the car.
I had. Please don't think that I was breaking the
law or anything. You know, I did have, you know, bluetooth,
So I called him and I was talking to him.
He's like, calm down, calm down, like, you know, talking
very very fast, and he was just like, calm down,
tell me what happened. I'm like, these eyes they're huge,
they were they were glowing at me and oh my god.
And he was just like, calm down, test, start slow
and I'm still driving. And then I was at the
stop light and I was like look in all around, like,
oh my god. And then I as soon as it
turned green, Boy did I let go on that? And no,
I didn't stop anywhere that morning. No, No, I drew
straight to work, and I was kind of freaking out.
The good news was there's a fence around the entire
quarry and I did have a gate opener, so the
gate opener would unlock it with the same push and
then it would just open and I would close it
behind me because I didn't want all the trucks starting
to come in before we actually opened. So but I
was by myself on the other side of the quarry
with nobody around. There's lights around the scalehouse, but that's it,
and I have to unlock that door, right, So I
ran to the and I can park really close to it,
but still you're out and you're vulnerable. So I ran
right to the lock, and I had my key out.
I went boom and turned around and locked it right away.
Not that that really would have helped me if he
really wanted to get me. I was only about so
I was halfway there when I saw this, approximately so
I was only about ten miles from the quarry. So
there's no reason why this. I'm sure that they have
very large areas where they inhabit. I would think that
this was within its range. Also, please know, we did
have a lot of wildlife at the quarry. It was
tons of bald eagles everywhere, and there was nesting pairs.
It was raided on the Susquehanna River, so the eagles
would go and get fish and bring it. They raised
their young there every year they would come back, huge nest,
very up high in the trees. But I mean I
could take pictures of them all day long. There was beer.
There so many possums, wild cats, the regular domestic cats,
but you know they were wild. Like I said, this
thing was surrounded by several hundred acres they owned and
included wetlands, and we would have environmentalists come over and
check those out monthly for doing research. We would also
do Cory tours for kids. Not so much when it
was going on, but prior to and after there was deer.
There was a baby fawn there, and a friend of
mine that worked there too. We actually got some what
are those those trail cams? He got a trail cam
and we put it out there because we wanted to
see how many times the baby fawn came out. It
didn't really work that good because it was infrared and
the one light that was at there was kind of
not making it. It was on all night, so it
wasn't making so you could see it really well. But yeah,
there was a baby fawn. There was tons of foxes,
so many foxes that there was actually down inside of
the quarry there was a building that the guys would
go and eat launch There was a couch in there
and things. Well, they started feeding the foxes, so the
foxes were coming in there all the time. We actually
had to hire somebody to do away with the foxes.
They had to come and trap them and take them
to another location. They were way too domesticated, I guess
is a good way to put it. At one time
there was even goats in the quarry. One of the
managers at one time brought a couple goats down there,
and they loved it because, you know, they would climb
up the mountains and every time. But there was coyotes there.
I saw coyotes all the time, from every shape, size
and height you can think of, from little tiny ones
to really large Koi dogs. There was a bear at
one point that was shot in town because it was
a Saturday and DNR couldn't come relocate it, so they
actually killed the bear. But so you know there's a
bear that was down in town. I'm sure there's bear
around there. The whole thing, like I said, it has
a fence around it. However, nobody walked this fence. Nobody
knew if it was completely intact. I mean I could
do they could see where it was intact from where
they can see when they go around on the trail
or the road back there. But nobody was checking fence
lines all the time. So, and it's a very active cory.
I'll still tell you it's still there. I worked there
for five years. I wound up leaving, I think, and
it was twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, I
can't remember anymore. I'm pretty sure it was twenty twenty.
I think it was like early April of twenty twenty two.
But I worked there for five years and I was
just done with them. But that's a whole other different Storyback.
Speaker 2: Was it a mixture of being frustrated with work and
having that dog me in the encounter the cost you
to leave? Or was a strictly politics of work.
Speaker 1: No, it had something to do with that dog man encounter.
I was encountering these toy dogs and these coyotes all
the time. I will tell you that. As soon as
I got back to the scalehouse that day. And like
I said, we weren't very busy during COVID. I mean,
we still had some trucks, but we really weren't that busy.
I really started researching after I told myself there's no
way that that thing wasn't now. I started doing some
research and that's I actually found you. You were the
first thing that popped up during that research. And I
started listening to the YouTube encounters. I mean, you know,
most of the time it's just you know, a picture
right of a dog man or something, or you might
change that picture during that time, but and I would
like do the filing. I had to do and you know,
recount my cash and you know, make sure the ledgers
were all correct. I did payroll for the quarry, so
I was doing payroll. But I could listen to that
and still do everything. And that's when I really started
finding out how prevalent these creatures are. And I was
there by myself all day as unless there were trucks
there with truck drivers. I will tell you that the
truck drivers there were great. I knew most of them
just because they came in all the time. I mean,
they would bring me flowers, sometimes, they'd bring me a
slurpy coffee whatever. I didn't know them, and if something
had happened and there was one of them around, I
think that they totally would have been like there to
help me. But for the most part I was there
by myself. Yeah, I would say it had a little
to do with both. I would say management was a
good portion of that. But I really didn't want to
be by myself all the time.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't blame you, Yeah, I figure it was
at least a consideration behind why you left there. I'm wondering, though,
did anything ever happen around the scalehouse that made you
think that it just might have followed you to work.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, but after listening to a lot
of Europeie cat you know some of these things run
around with these coyotes, right. I mean, I will tell
you that we had a night shift that would work
down to the quarry. But the quarry was down and
around and up, and it was pretty far down there.
I was not close to it. It's probably a mile
away down there, but it was down multiple levels. It
was actually below sea level where the Susquehanna River is.
It was actually lower than that. And they would collect
water and wash stone and stuff. But there was a
big koy dog one day, this is probably in the spring.
This thing was so big. I'm about five foot tall.
I'm not real tall, like five foot and a half inch.
I would have said that this thing it was as
big as my German shepherd dog. My boyfriend had a
German shepherd and I had a Shilah shepherd, so it
was as big as they were. I'm going to tell
you that my Shilah is twenty seven inches at the weathers,
and I'm gonna tell you his German shepherd was probably
about right the same. But this thing was that tall
so you think about that, twenty seven inches at the shoulders,
that's pretty high. But it was lean like a greyhound,
like you could see the muscle it. I'm a smoker,
so I went outside to there's a front porch on
the scalehouse, and I would sit out there, not sit,
but I would have the door open so I could
hear if the phone rang or see if one of
the trucks was coming. But it was out in the
middle of the corry road. It stayed there so long
and was staring me down that I actually went into
the scalehouse, grabbed the binoculars that I used to use
to see the truck numbers, and I walked and there
were nice ones. There were bushelves, there were nice ones,
and I took those, and I was eyeing this thing up.
I mean I could see it, but I couldn't see
detail until I had the binoculars. This thing was staring
straight at me too, So I was like, I wonder
what friends you have? You know, I mean that's literally
I'm looking at it, going huh, wonder what friends you got?
Where are they? If you're sitting here staring at me,
the vultures would come. This is really creepy too. Vic.
There was a pond on each side when you first
came in passed the gates to come into the quarry,
and there's like four or five vultures sitting there. Have
you ever seen a vulture when they like air out
their wings. Oh yeah, So there's like four or five
of them sitting there with their wings like kind of out,
but they're sitting on the ground. I mean, that's kind
of creepy too. Just to let you know there's how
much wildlife. I do kind of miss seeing all the wildlife.
Not I don't want to see one of those things again,
or even those Koi dogs, because that thing was not
afraid of me at all. And honestly, if I had
been out somewhere and just saw that that that thing
could have ripped you apart. I mean it was pretty
menacing as well, not as menacing as that dog man.
But you know the other thing about that dog man,
I felt like hete like it just disgust and hate
from this thing. It had to have been. It had
been at least nine feet I would say at least that.
I mean, it looks way higher than that because I
was so down from being on the road and it
having a hill and then up but it was so
high up there. But this Koi dog it freaked me
out too, not as bad as that, but I didn't
want to be by myself anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't blame you and Qui dogs. They can be dangerous.
I mean they are part dog. They don't have the
natural fear of humans the coyudes have, so that can
be a problem. And I can't believe that you would
sit there in the scalehouse all alone in the dark
and listen to episodes of the show that couldn't have
been easy.
Speaker 1: To get daylight. It did, it would get daylight too,
but yeah, I would. I would listen to you all
the time. I mean, so the Quary actually opened at
six am for the scalehouse, so I was usually there
for In the beginning, it was only about a half hour,
but prior to that it was about an hour. They
started having me come in earlier, which is a whole
another reason. But then I'd be there for like two
hours in the dark, right, I mean the scalehouse is
lit up, but yeah, yeah, you can't see I mean,
I know there's lights out there, like there'd be a
late where the scalehouse is and there was a light
over where we had some vending machines and like a
a run in horse thing. I know that sounds funny,
but they did. They had a run in shelter and
they put vending machines in there for like the truck drivers,
for SODA's waters, whatever they wanted to buy. But the
next light was way down there. It's not anything that
was close. I'll tell you. There were so many coyotes
over there. I called down the management and said, hey,
there's a bunch of coyotes over at the stone drop.
And let me tell you what a stone drop is.
So when the truck gets on the scale, it can
only carry twenty thousand pounds unless they have some special
thing from Virginia. YadA, YadA, YadA. That's a whole different thing.
But it could not weigh more than twenty thousand pounds.
If it weighed more than twenty thousand pounds, I could
not put a ticket for it. So they would have
to go and dump off stone. And that was the
stone dump off place. So a lot of times they
had like a little shoot in the back of the
dump truck that they could open to let some stone out.
But these are people that are getting out. The truck
drivers are getting out of their vehicles and actually opening
these So if there's coyotes running around, there are koy dogs, right,
Because there was both, somebody could have gotten injured pretty easily.
So I called down to management and told them about it.
They just blew it off like I was out of
my mind, Like why did they care? So yeah, Vick,
that's scary.
Speaker 2: It is scary, and it's good you did that. At
least you looked out for the drivers. But yeah, it
doesn't surprise me. The company couldn't have cared less. It's unfortunate,
but that's just how it is. You described the size
as being yellow. Were they a pure yellow or a
sort of yellowish orange?
Speaker 1: They weren't pure yellow. They had some orange in them,
but they were huge, I mean huge. I don't remember
seeing a pupil. Just what stays with me are those
yellow amber. They weren't dark amber though, like I've heard
people describe it like a beer color. It was later
than that, but there was a little bit of orange
in there. It wasn't complete just yellow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's a sight you're never going to forget. Unfortunately,
how far was it from the house in that front
yard where you saw it standing behind that tree.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I'm going to say that it was probably only
like a few feet from that. I think they had
like a front stoop there because remember I drove it
every day, right, So it's not like I didn't know
where the house was and I sent you a picture
of it, you know that. But obviously we can't send
that for other people to see because we don't want
to give somebody somebody's address, right, But it was probably
only a couple feet from that stoop if that. And
for me, I'm not very good with like far away,
but I'm going to tell you, yeah, it was probably
like thirty or forty feet from me. It wasn't a
huge front yard, and there was an elevation, so there's
a small hill there. It was mostly flat though, on
that hill, So I think it was like man made,
if that makes sense, like when they excavated it to
build the house. I think they kind of made that
for like water, you know, so water runoff. But it
wasn't that far from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it was way too close for
comfort when it. Mine spoke with you and said, no,
I'm looking at you did it do so in a
harsh voice or a calm one.
Speaker 1: No, it was a harsh voice like and I I
would consider myself pretty EmPATH like that. And the stuff
I was feeling from this thing was just hate, like
it just hates everything everybody like. It was kind of
felt like meeting somebody that just had hated the whole
world kind of thing. That's what it felt like to me.
Like it was. It wasn't nice. It definitely had a
feel of malice in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's textbook dogman behavior. How long did it take
you to find out about how many other eyewitnesses have
reported experiencing mine speak.
Speaker 1: I only found that out after I looked you up.
And it's not as many as you would think, right,
I mean a lot of people have encounters with this
thing and it doesn't do that. But yeah, it definitely
said that to me. I didn't come up with that
in my own head. It wasn't me thinking that. It
was definitely put there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't happen all the time, actually far from it,
but it is reported by credible eyewitnesses such as yourself.
It's hard to understand, but it happens. Now that you know,
monsters are real. What kinds of doors has that opened
in your mind?
Speaker 1: Kindra Oh my gosh, I mean that really opens it
for everything. I mean, if you think about that, that
means anything that you've probably heard of coude or might
be real. I mean, if you get hundreds of thousands
of reports of a rake, well I didn't necessarily believe
in rakes before, right, but if you're getting one hundred
thousand people that are telling you about a rake or
that's out there, that they've seen it, I'm gonna believe
them because I never thought these monsters were real. They
were something out of the fairy tale, right, But no,
they're real.
Speaker 2: The world is a much more comfortable place when you
don't have to worry about things like that being out there,
but as you know, unfortunately they are. And that's a
bitter pill.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It really is. How compromised were you after coming to
the realization the monsters act actually do exist?
Speaker 1: You know, I used to live my life pretty care
free as far as that we lived on three acres.
I never locked my doors. I didn't even know if
I had a key to that house when it became
a prevalent that I needed one, But I never locked
the doors, and the basement door was always open. The
garage was always open. You know, We'll leave the windows
open all the time until the Wow, that's a different story.
That's a different kind of monster, stink bugs from China,
but until they would come and try to get in
the house. But I would leave windows open all the time.
You know. There was nothing better than sleeping in the
fall with a little breeze and it gotten chilly at night.
You know, we would go out there and have bonfires
and I let my dogs out all the time. But
I'm telling you there was crazy things that you'd hear
it out in those woods. You know. My boyfriend was like,
did you hear that? And when it was that? And
I'm like, honey, that could be anything now, I mean, yeah,
the sky's the limit with what it could have been. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so sorry to hear that you weren't able
to enjoy the outdoors the way you once were able to.
You couldn't see it's ear as well at all, dude,
how black it was. But did you see them well
enough to get a feel for how tall they might
have been?
Speaker 1: Well? With the branch in the way, I'm gonna tell
you probably probably like three inches four inches. I only
saw like tips of them. That's why I can't. I
can't swear on my life that they were actually ears,
but I'm pretty sure they were. I mean, either that
or it could have been like a bumpy part in
the branch. But they were pretty evenly spaced. That's why
it just really seems like they were ears. But I
would say probably like maybe four inches tall.
Speaker 2: Well, those are pretty big ears. Still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're better than my shepherds, hear much taller.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet they are. Your mom told you an
interesting story that's related to what we're talking about tonight. Kindre,
please tell us a story behind that.
Speaker 1: Well, on Thanksgiving, I picked her up to go up
to my daughter's house. I actually told her. I hadn't
told her in five years either. I told her about
what happened and my encounter with this thing. And he
told me about a story that when she was you know,
like eleven or twelve, So we're talking back in the fifties,
you know, probably you know, late fifties, she was visiting
up near the Chattahoochee River in Tennessee, and it was
a wooded area. They were visiting relatives and my mom
had taken her friend with her, and the two girls
were getting ready to go, you know, get into trouble.
Not trouble, trouble, but you know what girls do at twelve,
you know, go play in sticks and blah blah blah.
And a gentleman that was there that lived on the property.
I can't remember which he called him, his name or anything,
but she said that he told her that them, her,
my mom, and her friend, he told them that they
needed to watch out for a wolf boy. And I said, hmm, okay, well,
first of all, did you see the wolfboy? Mom? She
said no, I didn't, but I thought it was interesting
that he said that, especially after what you just told me.
I was like, yeah, that is kind of interesting. But
I did tell her, I said, there's been sightings of
this thing since at least the eighteen hundreds, you know,
authenticated sightings of this thing since the eighteen hundreds, and
it goes back even further if you think of Egypt
and the Anubis and all of that.
Speaker 2: Well, considering the fact that she had that experience, did
her ears really seem to prick up when you told
her about your encounter? Was she really interested or did
she kind of blow it off.
Speaker 1: No, I mean she believed me, and she asked me
several questions about it, kind of like what you are
asking me, like how wide to part the eyes were,
or how tall do you think it was? And then
I think she totally believed me. She told me that story,
so I would definitely think that she was on the
same page. I don't she didn't have that encounter with
the wolf boy, but you know, I would have asked
her what the heck it looked like too, if she
had interesting if maybe it was a dog man pup
or whatever they called a wolf boy, before.
Speaker 2: Considering the fact that that experience had been shared with her.
You think she'd really be interested in your experience, but
you never know with people. That's why I asked.
Speaker 1: Actually, the biggest thing she said to me, and it
really actually made me realize how much more upset about
it than I even realized I was. And she said,
you mean to tell me that this thing has been
bothering you for nearly five years, And I was like, yeah,
I didn't really realize it had been almost five years ago. Wait,
she's right, it's been almost five years and this thing
has haunted me for that long.
Speaker 2: I hate the fact that it gave you so much trouble,
but I'm glad to hear that you're doing better now.
Thank goodness for that.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness for you, well, thank you.
Speaker 2: I just feel lucky to be able to help. Your
son had an interesting experience of his own. What happened
to him?
Speaker 1: I think back in like twenty twenty, when COVID was
pretty prevalent. He was living in New Mexico, Santa Fe,
New Mexico. Actually he doesn't live there anymore, but he
did then, and they had like an app that a
lot of like the teenagers and twenty year old were
doing on their phone. It was like they would think
of something and then touch the app button that would
say whatever, and then it would give him coordinates a
where to go, and supposedly, if you thought of this
thing and you went there on the map, you would
find the thing that you were thought of. So he
and one of his best friends at the time went
and did this, and it took them out into the desert,
which you know, not surprising it is New Mexico, right,
and there was a guy standing there and it scared
him so much they just took off. But I thought
that was interesting that there was anything there that they
were going to look at. So yeah, I'll ask him.
You know what, Vick, when I find out what that
app was called again, I'll ask him, I'll text you
and let you know.
Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, I never heard about that app before. That's interesting.
I know there was that one app where you could
hunt Pokemon, but I never heard about this app. So
that's need too.
Speaker 1: That too, But no, this was a different thing.
Speaker 2: If you had to find any Pokemon using that app,
so that's a waste of time. But anyway, the dog mean,
you had that encounter with my spoke to you. We've
established that. But do you think that's the most frightening
aspect of the encounter.
Speaker 1: I do, because if you think about that, if they
can do that, they're in your head. So let's say,
I mean, this is what it made me think about.
Let's say you have an encounter with this thing and
you want to get away, and you're thinking of how
you're going to get away, right like, I'm going to
run through that door, jump through that way, whatever. It
already knows what you're going to do because it knows
what you think. That's pretty uh terrifying. If you really
think about.
Speaker 2: That, Oh it is. It gives them every advantage. It
really does. Well, we're about out of time. Kindre before
we get out of here, though, do you defin aney
close in comments you'd like to share.
Speaker 1: Just you know, if you're going out to take the
trash out, you need to look around. It could even
be during the day. I mean, just because I saw
this thing when it was dark doesn't mean that's the
only time they're out. They're definitely out during the day.
And I know people are like, well, I go out
only the day. Well, that's not going to help you.
You're going to see it coming, but you might not.
They're very sneaky and very quiet. I mean I've learned
that just from listening to your shows, Vic and just
people need to keep their head on a swivel and
mind their surroundings. And if they have an animal or
a dog or something, you know your dog's gonna alert you.
May not be like they want to go fight it
for you. They may be running from it, but you know,
pay attention to those things.
Speaker 2: That's very good advice. Even if dogmen aren't out there
in your erea, it's always a good idea. Be very
wary of your surroundings. You never know what might be
a threat. But having said that, thanks again so much
for coming on the show, Kindred and sharing that experience
with us. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic for all you do for us. I
can't tell you I've been dealing with this thing for
nearly five years, like my mom said, but I talked
to you on Friday, and I actually do feel better
about it, Like you were able to kind of put
things in context for me, And You're right. If that
thing wanted to come get me a lost it had to
do was go and pick the car up or push
it over or whatever. I would have been it. You know,
there's not much I could have done about it.
Speaker 2: That's right. As long as you keep that in mind
and keep the right perspective. It's all attitude, how you
look at the experience. As long as you remember those
seven magic words I shared with you and look at
this accurately, then you've got this whipped. It's going to
take time before it truly sinks in, but yeah, you
can definitely do it. I know you can.
Speaker 1: You've been very helpful with that. I do believe you now.
If somebody had asked me two weeks ago. I don't
think I would have believed them, but yeah, you really
really did help me kind of deal with it and
put it in perspective, and I will always be grateful
for that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. Having said that, thanks again
so much of your time, and have great night.