1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: At a book in. 2 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:30,799 Speaker 2: Tonight's guest wishes to remain anonymous, and with that in mind, 3 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,439 I'm just gonna call it Kindra. Kindra. Welcome to the show. 4 00:01:35,239 --> 00:01:37,519 Speaker 1: It's good to be here, Vic, Thank you for having me. 5 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. Thanks for your time. Keindra, 6 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:43,959 Please give us a brief bio on yourself. 7 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm about fifty four years old. I have three grown, 8 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:54,159 wonderful children that live all over the place. I have 9 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,400 three wonderful dogs and a cat. 10 00:01:57,519 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: Sounds like you've carved a good life out for yourself. 11 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,599 Speaker 1: I sure try. Vic. 12 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: Well, that's great. That's how it should be. Kendrick, you're 13 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,520 pretty upset the first time we spoke about your encounter. 14 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:11,159 But where are you now? From a mental standpoint? 15 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: I really feel a lot better about all of this 16 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,039 since I talked to you. I mean, I hadn't really 17 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,919 talked about it. It's been nearly five years. I didn't 18 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,280 even realize how bad I felt about it and how 19 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:28,960 still scared I was. Every day. I can tell you 20 00:02:29,039 --> 00:02:31,759 I still think about those glowing eyes every day, but 21 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,879 at least they're not They're not as point meant as 22 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,840 it was. They they're kind of feeding now they're not. 23 00:02:40,319 --> 00:02:42,199 I'm not ready to go walking in the woods by 24 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,199 myself yet, but maybe I can. So that's a lot 25 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,080 better than I was. 26 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: Well, like I told you, in good time, I think 27 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,159 you will get there. But please don't forget to take 28 00:02:53,199 --> 00:02:55,919 baby steps. There's no rush. The woods aren't going to 29 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:57,520 go anywhere. They're going to be there. 30 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: You're right, I need to think of it more like 31 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,520 that too. But I hope to be able to take 32 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:04,960 the dogs for a walk down there. 33 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,199 Speaker 2: Well, I hope you can too. It's coming, It's just 34 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,159 going to take time. You mentioned that it's been about 35 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:14,240 five years since you've even talked about that encounter. I 36 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,840 know that you told two people about the experience, but 37 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:17,879 who were they? 38 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: My son was just I actually only told him maybe 39 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,199 about a month ago. My boyfriend, though I called him 40 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:32,759 right after the experience because I was totally freaking out. 41 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,199 It was really really early in the morning, too, so 42 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:38,680 I knew he was still love. But this was during 43 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:44,080 COVID and I would say late January of twenty twenty 44 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,960 while driving to work, and recently I actually told my 45 00:03:48,039 --> 00:03:52,560 mom about it on Thanksgiving, but before that nobody knew. 46 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,120 Only my boyfriend and I for years until very recently, 47 00:03:57,159 --> 00:03:59,319 within the last month or so two months. 48 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:02,599 Speaker 2: Well, it's not easy to talk about an experience like that, 49 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,439 I get it. Do you think the isolation you experienced 50 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,680 during the pandemic is one of the reasons why you 51 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:10,680 had so much trouble dealing with that encounter? 52 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Probably? I mean when I was working at the quarry 53 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:21,040 that was considered to be you had to go to work. 54 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,279 I wasn't off any of the time that everybody else 55 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,319 was off for COVID. I went to work every day. 56 00:04:26,439 --> 00:04:32,680 You were considered essential due to the maintenance of roads basically, 57 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,759 so I was an essential worker. Actually carried a letter 58 00:04:37,399 --> 00:04:40,000 in my car just in case I got pulled over 59 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,120 that said, yes, I'm supposed to be out on the road. 60 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,879 I am an essential worker. But thinking about how dark 61 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,240 it was there and even at the quarry where I worked, 62 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,439 that was on my mind quite a bit. 63 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:54,519 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was a bet it was on 64 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,600 your mind all the time. Did your job there at 65 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,680 the Stone Quarry require you to work alone in remote 66 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,759 areas out there? 67 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: Yes, I was in the scalehouse, which was not attached 68 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,079 to the office. It was on the actual opposite side 69 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,040 of the quarry. So like management was over at the 70 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:17,519 one office near the river, and then I was all 71 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,240 the way in the back, closer to the woods. Actually 72 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,759 the woods surround the quarry except for where it's on 73 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,519 the river. But there's there's several hundred acres that are 74 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,680 involved in that. Yeah, and I would have to I 75 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,879 was supposed to be at work by five thirty at 76 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:39,040 that time, and then they actually made it closer to five. 77 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:41,759 So I was leaving for work at like four point 78 00:05:41,759 --> 00:05:44,040 thirty in the morning. It was a good forty five 79 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:48,079 minute drive, but I always you know, left myself a 80 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:50,399 little time in case something happened, you know, or I 81 00:05:50,439 --> 00:05:52,959 wanted to stop and get a coffee or something. I 82 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,560 tried to build fifteen minutes into my commute, just so okey, 83 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,639 something like maybe I don't know, maybe I got pulled over. 84 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,279 I mean, hope I didn't have that, or a flat 85 00:06:02,319 --> 00:06:05,560 tire or something like that. I still do it now too. 86 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, that couldn't have been easy at all. And speaking 87 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,120 of not easy, almost any scalehouse I've ever seen at 88 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,519 a place like a quarry was just nothing but windows. 89 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Is that how yours was? 90 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,079 Speaker 1: Yes, it was all windows. Actually, that's funny, you say, 91 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,279 that because I used to think that I was almost 92 00:06:25,319 --> 00:06:28,600 like a zoo animal, like everybody could just see in. 93 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,240 I didn't necessarily be able to see anybody out there 94 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:34,800 in the dark. But yeah, and it was really dark 95 00:06:34,879 --> 00:06:38,279 then because it was winter, so the sun wasn't coming 96 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,360 up to what seven something like that, And I would 97 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,000 work until four thirty five o'clock every day, so it 98 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:48,879 was a long day for sure, and it was dark, 99 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,759 and there was a lot of wildlife there, a huge 100 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:52,759 amount of wildlife. 101 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,879 Speaker 2: Actually, wow, you poor thing. That couldn't have been easy. 102 00:06:57,399 --> 00:06:59,160 I'm sure it goes with that scene. You kept that 103 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,480 door locked, didn't you. 104 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, all the time that door was locked twenty 105 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,439 fourth sevid. Even if I was in there, people would 106 00:07:07,439 --> 00:07:08,959 have to knock, or if they had a key. Of 107 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,639 course management had a key, but they would knock. And 108 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,519 that door had windows on it too. The only place 109 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,920 in the scalehouse that there was a small, little, tiny 110 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,800 bathroom with a sink and a toilet that didn't have 111 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:24,480 any windows. But you know, obviously you don't want windows 112 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,439 in there, really. 113 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: No, definitely you wouldn't. Did you do anything back then 114 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:33,600 to try and make it easier to get up and 115 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,079 go out? Into the darkness to leave for work, and 116 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,160 then to get to work in the dark and sit 117 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,800 in the scale house salone. Did you ever do anything 118 00:07:41,879 --> 00:07:45,199 to try and lessen the difficulty of doing that or 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,000 were you just stuck having to do it with no relief. 120 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:50,839 Speaker 1: I was stuck having to do it with no relief. 121 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:52,519 I mean, I would have loved to have told you. 122 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,399 I would have loved it. Brought a dog to work 123 00:07:54,439 --> 00:07:57,720 with me at least, just nothing else for the company. 124 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,519 But obviously that creates a liability issue for the quarry. 125 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:05,600 You know, if your dog bit somebody or something like that, 126 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,199 then that would be a problem. So I wasn't allowed 127 00:08:08,199 --> 00:08:10,040 to do that. But I would have loved to have 128 00:08:10,079 --> 00:08:12,839 done something like that. Not that they could protect me 129 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:16,600 from one of them, but maybe just having somebody with 130 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,959 me would have made me feel better. It got awful 131 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,839 lonely in there, especially during COVID. It wasn't very busy, 132 00:08:24,399 --> 00:08:27,639 so there were long days just sitting there all day 133 00:08:27,639 --> 00:08:28,360 by myself. 134 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's not easy at all. I feel for you, 135 00:08:33,759 --> 00:08:36,840 I really do. You didn't get a very good look 136 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,960 at the dog, meaning that you saw that morning. Do 137 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,960 you see that as being a good thing? Or a 138 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:41,480 bad thing. 139 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: I think both. Actually, that's funny you say that, because 140 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,360 I've thought about that. The thought of actually seeing the 141 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:55,159 entire portion of that, I think would have been much 142 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,559 more traumatic. So even though I was traumatized by what 143 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,480 I did see, I'm really glad I didn't see the 144 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,720 rest of him. I mean, I think it was a him. 145 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:06,240 I don't know. I just always kind of thought it 146 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,360 was a hymn. But those eyes were bad enough just 147 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,799 to scare anybody. I mean, really, it was quite terrifying. 148 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:18,480 I don't even think that that even starts to tell 149 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:22,559 you how afraid I was. Terrifying is just the only 150 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:25,919 word I can think of that conveys part of that. 151 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:30,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you see big amber eyes like that that 152 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,720 are that far apart in that size, it really does 153 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:36,120 cut down on the chances of what it could possibly be, 154 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,039 especially at seeing in this pie off the ground as 155 00:09:39,039 --> 00:09:41,519 they were. But I don't want to reveal too much. 156 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,840 And with that in mind, let's talk about this encounter now. 157 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:47,240 Please give us every last detail that comes to mind. 158 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,519 Speaker 1: Okay, this is in northern Harford County, Maryland. I was 159 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:57,279 driving to work like every other day and didn't think 160 00:09:57,399 --> 00:10:00,440 much about it. My boyfriend at the time is not 161 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,480 working during COVID for obvious reasons. He wasn't considered essential, 162 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,480 but I was. So I would get up every morning 163 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,159 about three point thirty and you know, kind of get 164 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,200 myself together and I would usually leave out about four 165 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,200 thirty in the morning, and I took the same way 166 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,159 every day. There wasn't much traffic out on the road, 167 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,360 I will tell you, and most places were open, like 168 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:27,320 wah wah or you know highs or some small little 169 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:33,399 place convenience stores. So I was about eight nine miles 170 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:39,200 away from home, and I was in a residential area. 171 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,399 It's really right outside on the outskirts of bel Air, Maryland, 172 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,120 and it was actually called Prospect Mill Road, which is 173 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,639 part residential on one side and the other side had 174 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:55,320 some open area like that had been a farm and 175 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,000 they were a sanctuary at the time. It's only thirty 176 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,799 miles an hour there, so I know, I tried not 177 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,440 to speed because there wasn't many people on the road. 178 00:11:04,799 --> 00:11:08,679 So really the police were quite active trying to you know, 179 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,000 I guess make their quota every month, so I was 180 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,000 really careful about that because it was really easy to 181 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,559 go faster on that road. It was pretty much straight 182 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,440 all the way up until you get close to the school, 183 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:26,440 so I was probably about halfway through the residential area, 184 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:31,320 and it was pretty much pitch black. There's not many 185 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,480 street lights on that road, and the headlights on my 186 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,120 car were not great. I will tell you. I did 187 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:41,240 have the brights on, but they had a recall for 188 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:43,720 it because it was so bad. But the brights. If 189 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:45,799 I didn't have those on, I couldn't barely see two 190 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,639 feet in front of the car. So the brights were on, 191 00:11:48,799 --> 00:11:53,120 and all of a sudden I caught something out of 192 00:11:53,399 --> 00:12:00,559 the right side, like like diagonally right. It was in yard, 193 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:07,639 and they were these huge, bright yellow eyes. They were 194 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,600 very large, and I mean like probably the size of 195 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:17,759 a baseball, like really big. They were pretty high up. 196 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:23,639 There's an elevation right there where the house was kind 197 00:12:23,639 --> 00:12:25,799 of up on a little bit of a hill, I 198 00:12:25,799 --> 00:12:27,960 mean not a big hill, just like a little bit 199 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:31,519 higher elevation than where I was on the road, so 200 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,960 that may have made it look even bigger. And of 201 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,559 course I was sitting down because I was driving, and 202 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,600 there was a very big tree there and I could 203 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:45,000 only make out kind of like some of the branches. 204 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,919 As I was driving, it almost appeared to be in 205 00:12:50,039 --> 00:12:55,679 slow motion, like I think I took my foot off 206 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,039 the gas. I don't know for sure, but just because 207 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,759 of how slow it felt, I think I did that. 208 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:08,519 And I was locked in with these eyes. I couldn't 209 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,120 even seem to like look away. If there had been 210 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,879 something in front of me, I would have probably hit it. 211 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,679 But since they were off kind of to the right 212 00:13:16,919 --> 00:13:23,480 and they were moving not fast, I think that at 213 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:27,120 first they were moving more. But I think when we 214 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:33,039 and I say this creature, this very large creature, we 215 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:35,159 just kind of locked in on these eyes. And I 216 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,639 kept thinking, oh god, it's looking at me. And I 217 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:41,960 was like, no, it's not looking at you. You know, 218 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,519 it sees the car. And then, which is probably the 219 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:51,799 scariest part of all of this in my head, I heard, no, 220 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,120 I'm looking at you, and I was like, oh my god, 221 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:03,399 like I have never been so fearful. Please know. I 222 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,159 don't go out to the woods. I mean, I used 223 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,399 to ride horses all the time. I would trail ride, 224 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,840 but never in the woods. It would be more like 225 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:14,200 in you know, the field or whatever, or an open 226 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:20,879 area like you know, the telephone pole or electrical outlet lines. 227 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,720 You know, I would do that, but never like in 228 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:26,639 the woods. There just wasn't any trails in the woods 229 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:30,960 where I rode, So I just haven't been out there 230 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,799 like that. And when I heard that in my head, 231 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:39,559 I that that was the most frightening part. I just 232 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,200 I mean, this thing could hear what I was thinking. 233 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,320 I mean, so monsters are real. Now, you know, I've 234 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,639 been told all my life, no, these things don't exist, 235 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:59,720 They're fairy tales whatever. And now not only do monsters exist, 236 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:06,039 because I'm looking at this thing, not only do they exist, 237 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,440 but they can hear what you think. So I mean, 238 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,720 think about that. If you think about that, like if 239 00:15:13,759 --> 00:15:17,120 you were trying to escape this, it can hear what 240 00:15:17,159 --> 00:15:19,200 you're thinking, so it knows what you're going to do. 241 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:25,879 I mean, he was traveling in the opposite direction of me. 242 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,639 And as soon as I heard that and I kind 243 00:15:30,639 --> 00:15:35,960 of broke eye contact with it, I just floored it. 244 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,440 And I really didn't care how fast I was going, honestly, 245 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,559 I mean, I'm sure I would have gotten a bad ticket, 246 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,519 but I didn't care. And now at the time, I 247 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:50,480 had no idea what this thing was. I want to 248 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:53,159 kind of describe this thing or how I saw it, 249 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,960 even though I didn't see much of it. It was 250 00:15:56,559 --> 00:16:00,960 standing or moving very slowly at this point near a 251 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,600 very large tree that had some pretty thick branches off 252 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:11,399 of it. I do believe that there was some pointed 253 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,279 ears up there. I do think that they were not 254 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:18,559 something I could see that. I think a branch was 255 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,919 in front of that, or maybe some dried leaves something 256 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,639 was in front of that. But I do remember seeing 257 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:30,519 some points up there. It was blacker than black, and 258 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,360 I will tell you that it was really really dark anyways, 259 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,879 but it was blacker than black, and it just really 260 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,919 faded in with that. The tree was so dark anyways, 261 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,720 and even the house. I think the house was like 262 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:49,080 a dark red brick, so there wasn't a lot of 263 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:55,159 contrast in there. But these eyes were just haunting. Like 264 00:16:55,159 --> 00:16:58,360 I said, they were very very large. And when he 265 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:01,120 told me in my head that he was looking at me, 266 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,519 they kind of moved forward a little bit, and that's 267 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:08,240 when I think I was like, oh my god, and 268 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,440 I literally took off. He seemed to move and keep 269 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,160 going in the opposite direction, which I will forever be 270 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,759 thankful for. Like I said, vic I did not have 271 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:25,200 any idea about these things. I did know about you know, 272 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:29,599 people had reported seeing Bigfoot, and especially in the you know, 273 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,599 Pacific Northwest, and I've always thought, well, if that many 274 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,559 people are reporting this, it has to be real. I mean, 275 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,480 these people don't know each other, they're from different walks 276 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:42,920 of life, different times, since you know, all the way 277 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,279 back in the eighteen hundreds, and Indians, Native Americans known 278 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:52,079 about these things. So if you got all those people 279 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,559 reporting that type of thing, I do believe that that's real. 280 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,680 I've kind of like with aliens, are we the only 281 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:02,519 people in the universe? Absolutely not. I do not believe 282 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:05,880 that we are the only people here are not necessarily here, 283 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:14,000 but in the space. If you, I mean, you would 284 00:18:14,079 --> 00:18:18,200 have to be pretty much thinking that you were the 285 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,319 only thing in the world to be thinking that we're 286 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,720 the only thing in the universe. So but I didn't 287 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:28,839 redually just think about that. I didn't just say oh, okay, 288 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,960 well this thing must I had no idea what this was. 289 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:34,640 I was trying to convince myself it was an owl 290 00:18:34,839 --> 00:18:37,640 for the longest time, and I was like, no, this 291 00:18:37,759 --> 00:18:42,519 is not an owl. Owls don't have self illuminating blowing eyes. 292 00:18:42,839 --> 00:18:46,799 There was no light. This wasn't a reflection of the eyes. 293 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,400 This was they glowed by themselves. They were lit up 294 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:59,400 by themselves. And they were very bright, very round, very big, 295 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,279 and pretty far apart. I would say, I'm going to 296 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:08,519 tell you, I think about four inches apart. And I 297 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:10,920 can tell you that because we stared at each other 298 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,319 very and obviously he was looking at me, not the car, 299 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:19,319 but yeah, and I just kept saying, what in the 300 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,960 heck is that? And that I mean, you know, use 301 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,960 your imagination. It wasn't heck, but I was just like, wow, 302 00:19:27,039 --> 00:19:30,400 what the freaking is that? Over and over? 303 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 2: You scared me? Sorry, please continue. 304 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: I mean they were big and oh you made me laugh. Now, well, 305 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:42,720 thank you, because I was getting a little bit too 306 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:50,200 intense on those things in my head. Again. Yeah, I'll 307 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,839 never forget this as long as I live. I imagine 308 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,279 even if I got dementia, I'd still remember those eyes. 309 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,000 So what happened was I called my boyfriend in the car. 310 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,559 I had. Please don't think that I was breaking the 311 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,599 law or anything. You know, I did have, you know, bluetooth, 312 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:08,839 So I called him and I was talking to him. 313 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,960 He's like, calm down, calm down, like, you know, talking 314 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,440 very very fast, and he was just like, calm down, 315 00:20:16,759 --> 00:20:20,440 tell me what happened. I'm like, these eyes they're huge, 316 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:24,319 they were they were glowing at me and oh my god. 317 00:20:24,559 --> 00:20:28,119 And he was just like, calm down, test, start slow 318 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:31,200 and I'm still driving. And then I was at the 319 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,359 stop light and I was like look in all around, like, 320 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:38,839 oh my god. And then I as soon as it 321 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,079 turned green, Boy did I let go on that? And no, 322 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,480 I didn't stop anywhere that morning. No, No, I drew 323 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:47,680 straight to work, and I was kind of freaking out. 324 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,160 The good news was there's a fence around the entire 325 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:57,799 quarry and I did have a gate opener, so the 326 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:01,640 gate opener would unlock it with the same push and 327 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,400 then it would just open and I would close it 328 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,720 behind me because I didn't want all the trucks starting 329 00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:12,759 to come in before we actually opened. So but I 330 00:21:12,839 --> 00:21:16,440 was by myself on the other side of the quarry 331 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:20,440 with nobody around. There's lights around the scalehouse, but that's it, 332 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:27,160 and I have to unlock that door, right, So I 333 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,839 ran to the and I can park really close to it, 334 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,200 but still you're out and you're vulnerable. So I ran 335 00:21:35,319 --> 00:21:38,000 right to the lock, and I had my key out. 336 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,880 I went boom and turned around and locked it right away. 337 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,720 Not that that really would have helped me if he 338 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:46,039 really wanted to get me. I was only about so 339 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:50,119 I was halfway there when I saw this, approximately so 340 00:21:50,319 --> 00:21:52,720 I was only about ten miles from the quarry. So 341 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,359 there's no reason why this. I'm sure that they have 342 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,400 very large areas where they inhabit. I would think that 343 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:07,759 this was within its range. Also, please know, we did 344 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:11,039 have a lot of wildlife at the quarry. It was 345 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,440 tons of bald eagles everywhere, and there was nesting pairs. 346 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,799 It was raided on the Susquehanna River, so the eagles 347 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,279 would go and get fish and bring it. They raised 348 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:27,279 their young there every year they would come back, huge nest, 349 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:29,880 very up high in the trees. But I mean I 350 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,559 could take pictures of them all day long. There was beer. 351 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:38,079 There so many possums, wild cats, the regular domestic cats, 352 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,440 but you know they were wild. Like I said, this 353 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,599 thing was surrounded by several hundred acres they owned and 354 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:52,119 included wetlands, and we would have environmentalists come over and 355 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,599 check those out monthly for doing research. We would also 356 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,279 do Cory tours for kids. Not so much when it 357 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:06,839 was going on, but prior to and after there was deer. 358 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,400 There was a baby fawn there, and a friend of 359 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,119 mine that worked there too. We actually got some what 360 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,960 are those those trail cams? He got a trail cam 361 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,559 and we put it out there because we wanted to 362 00:23:20,599 --> 00:23:24,000 see how many times the baby fawn came out. It 363 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:27,359 didn't really work that good because it was infrared and 364 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,359 the one light that was at there was kind of 365 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:34,559 not making it. It was on all night, so it 366 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,039 wasn't making so you could see it really well. But yeah, 367 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:41,680 there was a baby fawn. There was tons of foxes, 368 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,079 so many foxes that there was actually down inside of 369 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,279 the quarry there was a building that the guys would 370 00:23:49,279 --> 00:23:50,920 go and eat launch There was a couch in there 371 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,119 and things. Well, they started feeding the foxes, so the 372 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,240 foxes were coming in there all the time. We actually 373 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,400 had to hire somebody to do away with the foxes. 374 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,440 They had to come and trap them and take them 375 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,799 to another location. They were way too domesticated, I guess 376 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,200 is a good way to put it. At one time 377 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,240 there was even goats in the quarry. One of the 378 00:24:14,319 --> 00:24:17,240 managers at one time brought a couple goats down there, 379 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,160 and they loved it because, you know, they would climb 380 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,599 up the mountains and every time. But there was coyotes there. 381 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,759 I saw coyotes all the time, from every shape, size 382 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,079 and height you can think of, from little tiny ones 383 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,839 to really large Koi dogs. There was a bear at 384 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,279 one point that was shot in town because it was 385 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:43,000 a Saturday and DNR couldn't come relocate it, so they 386 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,680 actually killed the bear. But so you know there's a 387 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,640 bear that was down in town. I'm sure there's bear 388 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,079 around there. The whole thing, like I said, it has 389 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,119 a fence around it. However, nobody walked this fence. Nobody 390 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,279 knew if it was completely intact. I mean I could 391 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,559 do they could see where it was intact from where 392 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,240 they can see when they go around on the trail 393 00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:08,440 or the road back there. But nobody was checking fence 394 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,079 lines all the time. So, and it's a very active cory. 395 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:15,599 I'll still tell you it's still there. I worked there 396 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,920 for five years. I wound up leaving, I think, and 397 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,440 it was twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two, I 398 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,279 can't remember anymore. I'm pretty sure it was twenty twenty. 399 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,079 I think it was like early April of twenty twenty two. 400 00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:35,359 But I worked there for five years and I was 401 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,440 just done with them. But that's a whole other different Storyback. 402 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 2: Was it a mixture of being frustrated with work and 403 00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:46,240 having that dog me in the encounter the cost you 404 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,279 to leave? Or was a strictly politics of work. 405 00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: No, it had something to do with that dog man encounter. 406 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:59,400 I was encountering these toy dogs and these coyotes all 407 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,039 the time. I will tell you that. As soon as 408 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,279 I got back to the scalehouse that day. And like 409 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:07,720 I said, we weren't very busy during COVID. I mean, 410 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:10,599 we still had some trucks, but we really weren't that busy. 411 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,720 I really started researching after I told myself there's no 412 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,039 way that that thing wasn't now. I started doing some 413 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,680 research and that's I actually found you. You were the 414 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,960 first thing that popped up during that research. And I 415 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:30,160 started listening to the YouTube encounters. I mean, you know, 416 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:32,839 most of the time it's just you know, a picture 417 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,319 right of a dog man or something, or you might 418 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,000 change that picture during that time, but and I would 419 00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:41,799 like do the filing. I had to do and you know, 420 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,160 recount my cash and you know, make sure the ledgers 421 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,920 were all correct. I did payroll for the quarry, so 422 00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,119 I was doing payroll. But I could listen to that 423 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,319 and still do everything. And that's when I really started 424 00:26:55,319 --> 00:27:00,480 finding out how prevalent these creatures are. And I was 425 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,880 there by myself all day as unless there were trucks 426 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,240 there with truck drivers. I will tell you that the 427 00:27:06,279 --> 00:27:11,240 truck drivers there were great. I knew most of them 428 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,240 just because they came in all the time. I mean, 429 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,079 they would bring me flowers, sometimes, they'd bring me a 430 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:21,480 slurpy coffee whatever. I didn't know them, and if something 431 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,480 had happened and there was one of them around, I 432 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,799 think that they totally would have been like there to 433 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,599 help me. But for the most part I was there 434 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,000 by myself. Yeah, I would say it had a little 435 00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:35,519 to do with both. I would say management was a 436 00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:37,559 good portion of that. But I really didn't want to 437 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:38,920 be by myself all the time. 438 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,759 Speaker 2: Well, I don't blame you, Yeah, I figure it was 439 00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:45,680 at least a consideration behind why you left there. I'm wondering, though, 440 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,359 did anything ever happen around the scalehouse that made you 441 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,680 think that it just might have followed you to work. 442 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,279 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything, but after listening to a lot 443 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:03,240 of Europeie cat you know some of these things run 444 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:06,920 around with these coyotes, right. I mean, I will tell 445 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,599 you that we had a night shift that would work 446 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,799 down to the quarry. But the quarry was down and 447 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,759 around and up, and it was pretty far down there. 448 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,960 I was not close to it. It's probably a mile 449 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,319 away down there, but it was down multiple levels. It 450 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,880 was actually below sea level where the Susquehanna River is. 451 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,880 It was actually lower than that. And they would collect 452 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,880 water and wash stone and stuff. But there was a 453 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:38,279 big koy dog one day, this is probably in the spring. 454 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,039 This thing was so big. I'm about five foot tall. 455 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,519 I'm not real tall, like five foot and a half inch. 456 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,839 I would have said that this thing it was as 457 00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,319 big as my German shepherd dog. My boyfriend had a 458 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,240 German shepherd and I had a Shilah shepherd, so it 459 00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:58,640 was as big as they were. I'm going to tell 460 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,440 you that my Shilah is twenty seven inches at the weathers, 461 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,960 and I'm gonna tell you his German shepherd was probably 462 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,480 about right the same. But this thing was that tall 463 00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:12,839 so you think about that, twenty seven inches at the shoulders, 464 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:16,880 that's pretty high. But it was lean like a greyhound, 465 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,559 like you could see the muscle it. I'm a smoker, 466 00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,480 so I went outside to there's a front porch on 467 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:29,119 the scalehouse, and I would sit out there, not sit, 468 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:30,880 but I would have the door open so I could 469 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,359 hear if the phone rang or see if one of 470 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,000 the trucks was coming. But it was out in the 471 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,279 middle of the corry road. It stayed there so long 472 00:29:42,319 --> 00:29:46,319 and was staring me down that I actually went into 473 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,880 the scalehouse, grabbed the binoculars that I used to use 474 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,720 to see the truck numbers, and I walked and there 475 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,519 were nice ones. There were bushelves, there were nice ones, 476 00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:59,319 and I took those, and I was eyeing this thing up. 477 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,920 I mean I could see it, but I couldn't see 478 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,920 detail until I had the binoculars. This thing was staring 479 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,359 straight at me too, So I was like, I wonder 480 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,599 what friends you have? You know, I mean that's literally 481 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,400 I'm looking at it, going huh, wonder what friends you got? 482 00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:21,799 Where are they? If you're sitting here staring at me, 483 00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:26,319 the vultures would come. This is really creepy too. Vic. 484 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,599 There was a pond on each side when you first 485 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,759 came in passed the gates to come into the quarry, 486 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,279 and there's like four or five vultures sitting there. Have 487 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,279 you ever seen a vulture when they like air out 488 00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:47,759 their wings. Oh yeah, So there's like four or five 489 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:51,000 of them sitting there with their wings like kind of out, 490 00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,640 but they're sitting on the ground. I mean, that's kind 491 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920 of creepy too. Just to let you know there's how 492 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,960 much wildlife. I do kind of miss seeing all the wildlife. 493 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,200 Not I don't want to see one of those things again, 494 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,240 or even those Koi dogs, because that thing was not 495 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,759 afraid of me at all. And honestly, if I had 496 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,359 been out somewhere and just saw that that that thing 497 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920 could have ripped you apart. I mean it was pretty 498 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,960 menacing as well, not as menacing as that dog man. 499 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,880 But you know the other thing about that dog man, 500 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,079 I felt like hete like it just disgust and hate 501 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,160 from this thing. It had to have been. It had 502 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,240 been at least nine feet I would say at least that. 503 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:42,799 I mean, it looks way higher than that because I 504 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640 was so down from being on the road and it 505 00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,359 having a hill and then up but it was so 506 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,160 high up there. But this Koi dog it freaked me 507 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,880 out too, not as bad as that, but I didn't 508 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,240 want to be by myself anymore. 509 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: I don't blame you and Qui dogs. They can be dangerous. 510 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,160 I mean they are part dog. They don't have the 511 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:07,279 natural fear of humans the coyudes have, so that can 512 00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,319 be a problem. And I can't believe that you would 513 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,839 sit there in the scalehouse all alone in the dark 514 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,559 and listen to episodes of the show that couldn't have 515 00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:16,279 been easy. 516 00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: To get daylight. It did, it would get daylight too, 517 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,680 but yeah, I would. I would listen to you all 518 00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,960 the time. I mean, so the Quary actually opened at 519 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,400 six am for the scalehouse, so I was usually there 520 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,119 for In the beginning, it was only about a half hour, 521 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:37,200 but prior to that it was about an hour. They 522 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,680 started having me come in earlier, which is a whole 523 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,119 another reason. But then I'd be there for like two 524 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680 hours in the dark, right, I mean the scalehouse is 525 00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:51,720 lit up, but yeah, yeah, you can't see I mean, 526 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,039 I know there's lights out there, like there'd be a 527 00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,799 late where the scalehouse is and there was a light 528 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,119 over where we had some vending machines and like a 529 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,039 a run in horse thing. I know that sounds funny, 530 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,519 but they did. They had a run in shelter and 531 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:08,680 they put vending machines in there for like the truck drivers, 532 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,400 for SODA's waters, whatever they wanted to buy. But the 533 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,680 next light was way down there. It's not anything that 534 00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:21,119 was close. I'll tell you. There were so many coyotes 535 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,359 over there. I called down the management and said, hey, 536 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,119 there's a bunch of coyotes over at the stone drop. 537 00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:29,440 And let me tell you what a stone drop is. 538 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,519 So when the truck gets on the scale, it can 539 00:33:32,599 --> 00:33:36,079 only carry twenty thousand pounds unless they have some special 540 00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:38,920 thing from Virginia. YadA, YadA, YadA. That's a whole different thing. 541 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,920 But it could not weigh more than twenty thousand pounds. 542 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,000 If it weighed more than twenty thousand pounds, I could 543 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,240 not put a ticket for it. So they would have 544 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,640 to go and dump off stone. And that was the 545 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,640 stone dump off place. So a lot of times they 546 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,400 had like a little shoot in the back of the 547 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,720 dump truck that they could open to let some stone out. 548 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,480 But these are people that are getting out. The truck 549 00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,599 drivers are getting out of their vehicles and actually opening 550 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,880 these So if there's coyotes running around, there are koy dogs, right, 551 00:34:10,119 --> 00:34:14,280 Because there was both, somebody could have gotten injured pretty easily. 552 00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,760 So I called down to management and told them about it. 553 00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:19,960 They just blew it off like I was out of 554 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,960 my mind, Like why did they care? So yeah, Vick, 555 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:26,000 that's scary. 556 00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 2: It is scary, and it's good you did that. At 557 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,000 least you looked out for the drivers. But yeah, it 558 00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:34,519 doesn't surprise me. The company couldn't have cared less. It's unfortunate, 559 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,079 but that's just how it is. You described the size 560 00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:42,159 as being yellow. Were they a pure yellow or a 561 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,800 sort of yellowish orange? 562 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 1: They weren't pure yellow. They had some orange in them, 563 00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:53,719 but they were huge, I mean huge. I don't remember 564 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,840 seeing a pupil. Just what stays with me are those 565 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,400 yellow amber. They weren't dark amber though, like I've heard 566 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,599 people describe it like a beer color. It was later 567 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,079 than that, but there was a little bit of orange 568 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,079 in there. It wasn't complete just yellow. 569 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that's a sight you're never going to forget. Unfortunately, 570 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,119 how far was it from the house in that front 571 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,639 yard where you saw it standing behind that tree. 572 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:27,519 Speaker 1: Hmm. I'm going to say that it was probably only 573 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:30,039 like a few feet from that. I think they had 574 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,239 like a front stoop there because remember I drove it 575 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,599 every day, right, So it's not like I didn't know 576 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,000 where the house was and I sent you a picture 577 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,840 of it, you know that. But obviously we can't send 578 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,639 that for other people to see because we don't want 579 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:47,800 to give somebody somebody's address, right, But it was probably 580 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,800 only a couple feet from that stoop if that. And 581 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,960 for me, I'm not very good with like far away, 582 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:01,400 but I'm going to tell you, yeah, it was probably 583 00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,559 like thirty or forty feet from me. It wasn't a 584 00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:08,960 huge front yard, and there was an elevation, so there's 585 00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:13,800 a small hill there. It was mostly flat though, on 586 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,800 that hill, So I think it was like man made, 587 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,119 if that makes sense, like when they excavated it to 588 00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,360 build the house. I think they kind of made that 589 00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:27,719 for like water, you know, so water runoff. But it 590 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:28,760 wasn't that far from me. 591 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like it was way too close for 592 00:36:31,639 --> 00:36:35,159 comfort when it. Mine spoke with you and said, no, 593 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880 I'm looking at you did it do so in a 594 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,440 harsh voice or a calm one. 595 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 1: No, it was a harsh voice like and I I 596 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,960 would consider myself pretty EmPATH like that. And the stuff 597 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,519 I was feeling from this thing was just hate, like 598 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:58,159 it just hates everything everybody like. It was kind of 599 00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:03,360 felt like meeting somebody that just had hated the whole 600 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,679 world kind of thing. That's what it felt like to me. 601 00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:11,480 Like it was. It wasn't nice. It definitely had a 602 00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,639 feel of malice in there. 603 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's textbook dogman behavior. How long did it take 604 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:21,960 you to find out about how many other eyewitnesses have 605 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,920 reported experiencing mine speak. 606 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,519 Speaker 1: I only found that out after I looked you up. 607 00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,639 And it's not as many as you would think, right, 608 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,159 I mean a lot of people have encounters with this 609 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,599 thing and it doesn't do that. But yeah, it definitely 610 00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:41,320 said that to me. I didn't come up with that 611 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,760 in my own head. It wasn't me thinking that. It 612 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,880 was definitely put there. 613 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't happen all the time, actually far from it, 614 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,039 but it is reported by credible eyewitnesses such as yourself. 615 00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,920 It's hard to understand, but it happens. Now that you know, 616 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:01,239 monsters are real. What kinds of doors has that opened 617 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:01,800 in your mind? 618 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: Kindra Oh my gosh, I mean that really opens it 619 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,719 for everything. I mean, if you think about that, that 620 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,119 means anything that you've probably heard of coude or might 621 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:19,199 be real. I mean, if you get hundreds of thousands 622 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,599 of reports of a rake, well I didn't necessarily believe 623 00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,800 in rakes before, right, but if you're getting one hundred 624 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,920 thousand people that are telling you about a rake or 625 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,440 that's out there, that they've seen it, I'm gonna believe 626 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,119 them because I never thought these monsters were real. They 627 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,840 were something out of the fairy tale, right, But no, 628 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:42,679 they're real. 629 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,119 Speaker 2: The world is a much more comfortable place when you 630 00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,119 don't have to worry about things like that being out there, 631 00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:51,960 but as you know, unfortunately they are. And that's a 632 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,639 bitter pill. 633 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,079 Speaker 1: It is. 634 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 2: It really is. How compromised were you after coming to 635 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,039 the realization the monsters act actually do exist? 636 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: You know, I used to live my life pretty care 637 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,480 free as far as that we lived on three acres. 638 00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:10,119 I never locked my doors. I didn't even know if 639 00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,039 I had a key to that house when it became 640 00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:16,280 a prevalent that I needed one, But I never locked 641 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,920 the doors, and the basement door was always open. The 642 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,480 garage was always open. You know, We'll leave the windows 643 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,440 open all the time until the Wow, that's a different story. 644 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,840 That's a different kind of monster, stink bugs from China, 645 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,960 but until they would come and try to get in 646 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,679 the house. But I would leave windows open all the time. 647 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,199 You know. There was nothing better than sleeping in the 648 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,400 fall with a little breeze and it gotten chilly at night. 649 00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:44,679 You know, we would go out there and have bonfires 650 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,239 and I let my dogs out all the time. But 651 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,840 I'm telling you there was crazy things that you'd hear 652 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,159 it out in those woods. You know. My boyfriend was like, 653 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,199 did you hear that? And when it was that? And 654 00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:03,239 I'm like, honey, that could be anything now, I mean, yeah, 655 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,760 the sky's the limit with what it could have been. Right. 656 00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 2: Well, I'm so sorry to hear that you weren't able 657 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,440 to enjoy the outdoors the way you once were able to. 658 00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:14,840 You couldn't see it's ear as well at all, dude, 659 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,360 how black it was. But did you see them well 660 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,239 enough to get a feel for how tall they might 661 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:19,639 have been? 662 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: Well? With the branch in the way, I'm gonna tell 663 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:33,039 you probably probably like three inches four inches. I only 664 00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,760 saw like tips of them. That's why I can't. I 665 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,960 can't swear on my life that they were actually ears, 666 00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:41,880 but I'm pretty sure they were. I mean, either that 667 00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:44,039 or it could have been like a bumpy part in 668 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,360 the branch. But they were pretty evenly spaced. That's why 669 00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,800 it just really seems like they were ears. But I 670 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,639 would say probably like maybe four inches tall. 671 00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:57,079 Speaker 2: Well, those are pretty big ears. Still. 672 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're better than my shepherds, hear much taller. 673 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 2: Oh, I bet they are. Your mom told you an 674 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,719 interesting story that's related to what we're talking about tonight. Kindre, 675 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:10,480 please tell us a story behind that. 676 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,639 Speaker 1: Well, on Thanksgiving, I picked her up to go up 677 00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,079 to my daughter's house. I actually told her. I hadn't 678 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,480 told her in five years either. I told her about 679 00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:26,039 what happened and my encounter with this thing. And he 680 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,199 told me about a story that when she was you know, 681 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,599 like eleven or twelve, So we're talking back in the fifties, 682 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,960 you know, probably you know, late fifties, she was visiting 683 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,079 up near the Chattahoochee River in Tennessee, and it was 684 00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:48,280 a wooded area. They were visiting relatives and my mom 685 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,719 had taken her friend with her, and the two girls 686 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,079 were getting ready to go, you know, get into trouble. 687 00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,679 Not trouble, trouble, but you know what girls do at twelve, 688 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,920 you know, go play in sticks and blah blah blah. 689 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,920 And a gentleman that was there that lived on the property. 690 00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:06,719 I can't remember which he called him, his name or anything, 691 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,639 but she said that he told her that them, her, 692 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,039 my mom, and her friend, he told them that they 693 00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:20,840 needed to watch out for a wolf boy. And I said, hmm, okay, well, 694 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,960 first of all, did you see the wolfboy? Mom? She 695 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,800 said no, I didn't, but I thought it was interesting 696 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,639 that he said that, especially after what you just told me. 697 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,559 I was like, yeah, that is kind of interesting. But 698 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000 I did tell her, I said, there's been sightings of 699 00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:40,159 this thing since at least the eighteen hundreds, you know, 700 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,280 authenticated sightings of this thing since the eighteen hundreds, and 701 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,719 it goes back even further if you think of Egypt 702 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,239 and the Anubis and all of that. 703 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,599 Speaker 2: Well, considering the fact that she had that experience, did 704 00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,960 her ears really seem to prick up when you told 705 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,760 her about your encounter? Was she really interested or did 706 00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:58,880 she kind of blow it off. 707 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: No, I mean she believed me, and she asked me 708 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,199 several questions about it, kind of like what you are 709 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,719 asking me, like how wide to part the eyes were, 710 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,800 or how tall do you think it was? And then 711 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,159 I think she totally believed me. She told me that story, 712 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,159 so I would definitely think that she was on the 713 00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,280 same page. I don't she didn't have that encounter with 714 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,440 the wolf boy, but you know, I would have asked 715 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,119 her what the heck it looked like too, if she 716 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,320 had interesting if maybe it was a dog man pup 717 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,480 or whatever they called a wolf boy, before. 718 00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,000 Speaker 2: Considering the fact that that experience had been shared with her. 719 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,840 You think she'd really be interested in your experience, but 720 00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:40,880 you never know with people. That's why I asked. 721 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: Actually, the biggest thing she said to me, and it 722 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,960 really actually made me realize how much more upset about 723 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,760 it than I even realized I was. And she said, 724 00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:51,880 you mean to tell me that this thing has been 725 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,159 bothering you for nearly five years, And I was like, yeah, 726 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:01,280 I didn't really realize it had been almost five years ago. Wait, 727 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,079 she's right, it's been almost five years and this thing 728 00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:05,599 has haunted me for that long. 729 00:44:06,559 --> 00:44:08,639 Speaker 2: I hate the fact that it gave you so much trouble, 730 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,320 but I'm glad to hear that you're doing better now. 731 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,280 Thank goodness for that. 732 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,119 Speaker 1: Thank goodness for you, well, thank you. 733 00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 2: I just feel lucky to be able to help. Your 734 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,599 son had an interesting experience of his own. What happened 735 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:22,920 to him? 736 00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 1: I think back in like twenty twenty, when COVID was 737 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,559 pretty prevalent. He was living in New Mexico, Santa Fe, 738 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,639 New Mexico. Actually he doesn't live there anymore, but he 739 00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:39,360 did then, and they had like an app that a 740 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,039 lot of like the teenagers and twenty year old were 741 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,559 doing on their phone. It was like they would think 742 00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:50,000 of something and then touch the app button that would 743 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,559 say whatever, and then it would give him coordinates a 744 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:56,880 where to go, and supposedly, if you thought of this 745 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,440 thing and you went there on the map, you would 746 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,360 find the thing that you were thought of. So he 747 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,199 and one of his best friends at the time went 748 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,199 and did this, and it took them out into the desert, 749 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,079 which you know, not surprising it is New Mexico, right, 750 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:20,119 and there was a guy standing there and it scared 751 00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:22,800 him so much they just took off. But I thought 752 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,159 that was interesting that there was anything there that they 753 00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,920 were going to look at. So yeah, I'll ask him. 754 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,840 You know what, Vick, when I find out what that 755 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,760 app was called again, I'll ask him, I'll text you 756 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,360 and let you know. 757 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,199 Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, I never heard about that app before. That's interesting. 758 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,559 I know there was that one app where you could 759 00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:47,480 hunt Pokemon, but I never heard about this app. So 760 00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:48,400 that's need too. 761 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,519 Speaker 1: That too, But no, this was a different thing. 762 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 2: If you had to find any Pokemon using that app, 763 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,480 so that's a waste of time. But anyway, the dog mean, 764 00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:00,880 you had that encounter with my spoke to you. We've 765 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,840 established that. But do you think that's the most frightening 766 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,000 aspect of the encounter. 767 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,400 Speaker 1: I do, because if you think about that, if they 768 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,880 can do that, they're in your head. So let's say, 769 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:14,719 I mean, this is what it made me think about. 770 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:18,079 Let's say you have an encounter with this thing and 771 00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:20,559 you want to get away, and you're thinking of how 772 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,280 you're going to get away, right like, I'm going to 773 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,760 run through that door, jump through that way, whatever. It 774 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,159 already knows what you're going to do because it knows 775 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:31,559 what you think. That's pretty uh terrifying. If you really 776 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:32,639 think about. 777 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 2: That, Oh it is. It gives them every advantage. It 778 00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:39,840 really does. Well, we're about out of time. Kindre before 779 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,320 we get out of here, though, do you defin aney 780 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:42,880 close in comments you'd like to share. 781 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:46,119 Speaker 1: Just you know, if you're going out to take the 782 00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,599 trash out, you need to look around. It could even 783 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,239 be during the day. I mean, just because I saw 784 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,519 this thing when it was dark doesn't mean that's the 785 00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:56,840 only time they're out. They're definitely out during the day. 786 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,679 And I know people are like, well, I go out 787 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,719 only the day. Well, that's not going to help you. 788 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,679 You're going to see it coming, but you might not. 789 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,800 They're very sneaky and very quiet. I mean I've learned 790 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,079 that just from listening to your shows, Vic and just 791 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,480 people need to keep their head on a swivel and 792 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,280 mind their surroundings. And if they have an animal or 793 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,360 a dog or something, you know your dog's gonna alert you. 794 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,760 May not be like they want to go fight it 795 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,960 for you. They may be running from it, but you know, 796 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,079 pay attention to those things. 797 00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 2: That's very good advice. Even if dogmen aren't out there 798 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,039 in your erea, it's always a good idea. Be very 799 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,639 wary of your surroundings. You never know what might be 800 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,960 a threat. But having said that, thanks again so much 801 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,440 for coming on the show, Kindred and sharing that experience 802 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,960 with us. I really appreciate it. 803 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,639 Speaker 1: Thank you, Vic for all you do for us. I 804 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,559 can't tell you I've been dealing with this thing for 805 00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:57,679 nearly five years, like my mom said, but I talked 806 00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:01,440 to you on Friday, and I actually do feel better 807 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,280 about it, Like you were able to kind of put 808 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,519 things in context for me, And You're right. If that 809 00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,880 thing wanted to come get me a lost it had to 810 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,480 do was go and pick the car up or push 811 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,320 it over or whatever. I would have been it. You know, 812 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,960 there's not much I could have done about it. 813 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 2: That's right. As long as you keep that in mind 814 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,480 and keep the right perspective. It's all attitude, how you 815 00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:26,000 look at the experience. As long as you remember those 816 00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:28,840 seven magic words I shared with you and look at 817 00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,960 this accurately, then you've got this whipped. It's going to 818 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,320 take time before it truly sinks in, but yeah, you 819 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,000 can definitely do it. I know you can. 820 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,199 Speaker 1: You've been very helpful with that. I do believe you now. 821 00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:44,840 If somebody had asked me two weeks ago. I don't 822 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,760 think I would have believed them, but yeah, you really 823 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,639 really did help me kind of deal with it and 824 00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,440 put it in perspective, and I will always be grateful 825 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:53,800 for that. 826 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,199 Speaker 2: Well, you know you're welcome. Having said that, thanks again 827 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,559 so much of your time, and have great night.