Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I think, what a help you. Welcome to Fridays. Unfortunately
Speaker 1: this week, uh my partner in crime JJ Vance not
Speaker 1: jd Vance to be confused with him. Uh, neither one
Speaker 1: of them will be joining us tonight. But fortunately, lucky me,
Speaker 1: I was able to grab some people to come on
Speaker 1: with me and try to make this a worthy episode
Speaker 1: without JJ here, So I got uh the man scientist herself,
Speaker 1: Lisa from The Occult Rejects. Thank you very much, Lisa,
Speaker 1: it's good to have you here. And I got my boy,
Speaker 1: Catalyst Jones kind of like co hosting with us tonight
Speaker 1: from White Rabbit Podcast. Real Quick, Catalyst, you want to
Speaker 1: let everybody know what your deal is and where they
Speaker 1: can find you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm just your average guy that had questions
Speaker 2: and started digging into things and wanted to speak out
Speaker 2: about it. So you can find me on all of
Speaker 2: your usual suspects.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you very much. And for tonight the guest
Speaker 1: of honor, backed by popular demand, we got Julia Cosmic
Speaker 1: Peach Podcast. Please, Julia, introduce yourself for the people who
Speaker 1: me and I know who you are. And let everybody
Speaker 1: know where they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 3: Thank you, and I'm excited to be back. I love
Speaker 3: coming on your show. I'm Julia, I host Cosmic Peach.
Speaker 3: Podcast is wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 3: I started actually podcasting because I read a lot of
Speaker 3: books and wanted to talk to people about them because
Speaker 3: people don't like drue books anymore. And that's the first
Speaker 3: thing that we cover was Program to Kill. And then
Speaker 3: I read a book about Maryland and we've covered that
Speaker 3: already and actually what we're going to talk about today
Speaker 3: you can find in Program to Kill. And also I
Speaker 3: just did a bunch of like research on the side
Speaker 3: after I read about this guy, and I think Lisa
Speaker 3: has Actually it was in the news or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you were familiar with it. Two, So I'm actually
Speaker 3: really excited to get into it today.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, yes, I was very excited, and I
Speaker 1: know at Lisa really wanted you to come on for
Speaker 1: this topic as well. And again, just just to make
Speaker 1: it clear, you did say you got this from the
Speaker 1: Program to Kill book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And what I love the most about that
Speaker 3: book is because he puts all of his references in
Speaker 3: the back of the book, and there's pages and pages
Speaker 3: of references. And when I do a podcast, I like
Speaker 3: to try to give people some type of place where
Speaker 3: they can go and fact check me if they want to.
Speaker 4: And so, if you.
Speaker 3: Want more information about what we're talking about tonight, it's
Speaker 3: actually chapter nine of Program to Kill. It's called Rancho Diablo.
Speaker 3: So fucking fact check me.
Speaker 1: Assholes, hashtag look it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, which is also why when we did
Speaker 3: the Marilyn episode, I mentioned at the end of the episode,
Speaker 3: this is the book. Go read it for yourself. I'm
Speaker 3: not making any of this stuff up. It's very easy
Speaker 3: to find.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't think that was the case. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to just.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3: I mean, but I do feel like sometimes, you know,
Speaker 3: you listen to a podcast and in the back of
Speaker 3: your mind, you're like, is that even real?
Speaker 4: Was does she even know what she's talking about? I've
Speaker 4: never heard that before.
Speaker 3: And I like to list my sites, you know, in
Speaker 3: case somebody wants to go back and fact checked me
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 4: But we're actually going to be That's what I love
Speaker 4: about your show, Julia. I love about your show.
Speaker 2: Is you always bring your receipts right, So you say
Speaker 2: how you came to your conclusion, but yet you also
Speaker 2: come to conclusions that normally people would overlook or not
Speaker 2: not come to, because you're one of those people that
Speaker 2: connects dots that get overlooked on the norm.
Speaker 5: And I would like to imaginate you for that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and I'm glad you noticed that.
Speaker 3: And actually Lisa was the one who asked, I think
Speaker 3: if if I could cover this today because I mentioned
Speaker 3: names and I mentioned like little fragments of stuff, and
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes you know, you hear it and
Speaker 3: it's like in one ear and out the other. But
Speaker 3: she picked up on this guy and it's, like I
Speaker 3: said before, he's his own episode. He might actually be
Speaker 3: two episodes worth of crazy. And his name is Adolpho
Speaker 3: and Stonzo. I don't know, Catalyst, if you had ever
Speaker 3: heard of this guy, but he is a whole fucking
Speaker 3: I mean, I like to call him a Dolpho cunt Stanzo,
Speaker 3: but he.
Speaker 4: Is just the weirdest guy.
Speaker 3: He's a cult leader, and you know, he was a
Speaker 3: Mexican drug lord that was believed to have supernatural powers. Actually,
Speaker 3: and so Lisa, I don't before I get on my soapbox.
Speaker 3: I actually wanted to ask you what your background is
Speaker 3: on Adolfo.
Speaker 5: So I listened to I was listening to your PTK
Speaker 5: series and you had briefly mentioned his name on I
Speaker 5: think the first episode that you covered PTK and just
Speaker 5: in passing and when you said his name, I remember
Speaker 5: I was standing in the bathrooms in my makeup and
Speaker 5: I was like, I like stared at the phone. I
Speaker 5: was like, don't tell me that guy's in that book.
Speaker 5: Because so growing up, I grew up in Texas, South Texas,
Speaker 5: to be exact, and one of the popular things here
Speaker 5: to do in spring break is to go to the
Speaker 5: island Padre Island, right and a gets so packed with
Speaker 5: so many people. Everybody from New York, Pennsylvania, California, everybody
Speaker 5: comes down here to come to the island during spring break.
Speaker 5: It's a big deal, specifically South Padre. And so South
Speaker 5: Padre is literally right at the cusp of the Mexican border,
Speaker 5: and one of the famous things to do, or one
Speaker 5: of the most fun things to do, was to cross
Speaker 5: into Renosa or Progresso or Matamotos, depending where you're at. Right,
Speaker 5: Mata Motives is going to be the area that's the
Speaker 5: closest to South Padre Island, and so what people would
Speaker 5: do is that they would go party all day at
Speaker 5: the island, and then in the evenings they just basically
Speaker 5: walk over into Matamotos and get drunk and do all
Speaker 5: what kinds of whatever. I think in Mexico at the time,
Speaker 5: and I think it's still the way there was. The
Speaker 5: legal age was eighteen, but I don't think they really
Speaker 5: checked or whatever, and you keep drinking all day and
Speaker 5: all night and whatever, and it was a fun thing
Speaker 5: for people to do. And then you started to hear
Speaker 5: on the news that people were going missing, and then
Speaker 5: that there was a search, and then they would announce
Speaker 5: do not go into Mexico. If you're going to go
Speaker 5: to the island, stay on the stay on the US side,
Speaker 5: do not go into Mexico. And then it came about
Speaker 5: that there was I think a ut student which University
Speaker 5: of Texas went missing. And then I believe there was
Speaker 5: a huge investigation down into Matamoros and that they had
Speaker 5: uncovered several bodies, and that from what I had heard,
Speaker 5: and of course the news didn't cover this, was that
Speaker 5: they were bodies that were mutilated. They were all kinds
Speaker 5: of like remnants of ritual sacrifice of some sort death cold,
Speaker 5: satan cold, whatever, and it was really really bad, and
Speaker 5: that it wasn't just one person that they found, but
Speaker 5: they at the time they had said it was five,
Speaker 5: but there was many others that they had found in
Speaker 5: other I guess sites or burial sites, and that there
Speaker 5: was a house and that there was body parts and
Speaker 5: a cauldron and stuff like that. And so you started
Speaker 5: to hear all these things. You don't know what's true,
Speaker 5: right because it's on the other side and this is
Speaker 5: what being told and the news really isn't covering, but
Speaker 5: they're telling you not to go down there. But then
Speaker 5: whenever it kind of blew up, this name starts coming
Speaker 5: out and you start to hear it all over the place.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh my god, that was the guy that
Speaker 5: was back then when they were telling us not to
Speaker 5: go into Mexico. So that was my background with that.
Speaker 5: So when you said the name, I was like.
Speaker 3: No, dude, And it's crazy because he's mentioned in Programmed
Speaker 3: to Kill but he also got his own episode on
Speaker 3: Ancient Aliens, Like there's so many ways that you can
Speaker 3: cover this guy, Like it's just bizarre. It's otherworldly what
Speaker 3: was going on there. And I think that actually the
Speaker 3: way that they portrayed it in the news was like
Speaker 3: a lot of the serial killers and stuff. How they
Speaker 3: it was nineteen eighty nine, by the way, in Mexico,
Speaker 3: they started searching for a missing college student and then
Speaker 3: they found this ranch.
Speaker 4: It was called Santa Elena Ranches. And so.
Speaker 3: The missic college student that they were looking for. His
Speaker 3: name was Mark Kilroy.
Speaker 4: It was a dude.
Speaker 3: He was twenty one years old, partying, like Lisa mentioned,
Speaker 3: it was like a party spot. And then they go
Speaker 3: looking for him and they come across this ranch and
Speaker 3: they find twelve bodies at first, and some of them
Speaker 3: have been shot, some of them have been hacked up
Speaker 3: with a machete. One of the graves did have Mark
Speaker 3: Kilroy's body in it, so he was abducted.
Speaker 4: They did murder him.
Speaker 3: A lot of them had like their spines ripped out
Speaker 3: and made into necklaces and other ceremonial type of jewelry.
Speaker 3: Some of them had been skinned alive, some of them
Speaker 3: had been buried alive.
Speaker 4: But the weird thing.
Speaker 3: About him is that Adolfo's followers wholeheartedly believed that he
Speaker 3: had supernatural powers, and so this is what gets him
Speaker 3: on Ancient Aliens because a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 3: he was doing and saying, and a lot of the
Speaker 3: stuff that people saw him doing was actually what they
Speaker 3: considered to be supernatural in nature. And they don't talk
Speaker 3: about this aspect in Program to Kill. He more talks
Speaker 3: about like the political side of things, because they made
Speaker 3: it appear in the news that this was random acts
Speaker 3: of violence, that this guy was just a crazy Satanist guy.
Speaker 4: And he was just abducting random people and just fucking
Speaker 4: him up and burying them all over his property.
Speaker 3: But it actually turns out that a lot of the
Speaker 3: people that they found it wasn't random at all. And
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to kind of get into that too,
Speaker 3: but it's said in total they found forty plus bodies
Speaker 3: on the property.
Speaker 4: So the news didn't even really want to report that.
Speaker 4: At first.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, they found a couple bodies, and
Speaker 3: then it was like, okay, we found twelve graves, and
Speaker 3: then by the end of it they were like, Okay,
Speaker 3: there's probably forty plus victims that have been buried at
Speaker 3: this ranch. And he was practicing something called palo Sorry,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys are familiar with that
Speaker 3: at all, Palomamba is it's also referred to, and so
Speaker 3: it incorporates traditions and gods from West African religions. Actually,
Speaker 3: and Adolfo claimed that he was in communication with a
Speaker 3: god named Kadium Pimbe I think is how you pronounce it.
Speaker 3: And this god is also.
Speaker 4: Known as issue E Shu.
Speaker 3: And this is something that I had never heard before,
Speaker 3: and it was mentioned actually in the Ancient Aliens. And
Speaker 3: it was funny because sometimes I'll just watch Ancient Aliens
Speaker 3: to like go to sleep because it, first of all,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of propaganda stuff.
Speaker 1: Well it's easy stuff to listen to, right Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like I'm going to clean the house and like
Speaker 3: fucking wash dishes and shit, I'll put on Ancient Aliens
Speaker 3: in the background or whatever.
Speaker 2: And so I was surprised at how much truth they
Speaker 2: sprinkle in there, though, Like if yous, if you take
Speaker 2: out aliens and outer space and replace it with nephylum
Speaker 2: and outer space, it all makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 2: right yeah, Like if you.
Speaker 3: Just swap out the the ets for like ancient gods
Speaker 3: and like black magic, sorcery shit, it makes a.
Speaker 4: Ton of sense. But so it was like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: A couple of months ago, I had turned on Ancient
Speaker 3: Aliens and they were like Adolfo Constanzo and I was like.
Speaker 4: It's a motherfucker in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: I was like, how the fuck is see an Ancient
Speaker 3: Aliens episode? But so it's because his followers and he
Speaker 3: said that he was in direct communication with this Kodim
Speaker 3: Pimbe and that he was practicing polo sorcery. And when
Speaker 3: you look at this god, he has like the big
Speaker 3: elongated eyes and the big skull and shit. And they
Speaker 3: say that he was worshiping some type of god that
Speaker 3: would have been like acinate and in ancient Egypt, with
Speaker 3: the big elongated skull and shit, and some say that
Speaker 3: he was into like this fallen angel type of god
Speaker 3: king worship. And so he gets his own episode on
Speaker 3: Ancient Aliens and I look into this shit because I'm interested,
Speaker 3: and it's actually a shape shifter god. And you know
Speaker 3: how they love to talk about shape shifters and all
Speaker 3: this stuff, and they'll actually sensationalize this stuff.
Speaker 4: Because has if they can get you to look.
Speaker 3: At just the black magic aspect of these murders, then
Speaker 3: they don't have to explain any of the inconsistencies with
Speaker 3: like who they were murdering and like what who was
Speaker 3: running the cult and.
Speaker 4: Some shit like that.
Speaker 3: And I actually, just for those of you who are familiar,
Speaker 3: have you guys watched American Horror Story season covin.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: What was that about?
Speaker 5: Season? Not that season?
Speaker 4: It's my favorite season.
Speaker 3: It's the one about the witches in New Orleans and
Speaker 3: one of the really nick it's the best season in
Speaker 3: my opinion for some of the more conspiracy type stuff.
Speaker 3: But they have like a god in that season that
Speaker 3: the witches kind of work with, and his name is
Speaker 3: Papa Legba. But he's based off this god that Adolfo
Speaker 3: Constanso actually worshiping. So it it to me seems like
Speaker 3: a real seed.
Speaker 4: Papa Lega.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They say like this god, this Katiam, Pimbae issue, Papa Legba,
Speaker 3: they all represent like the same archetype, if you will.
Speaker 3: And they say that actually this this one deity that
Speaker 3: that Adolpho was worshiping like to speak to people through dogs.
Speaker 3: And they actually connected that with David Berkowitz because they
Speaker 3: said he would get his messages through dogs.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 3: And David Berkowitz comes up a lot in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: So I think that there is a duality to everything.
Speaker 3: I think that there is a spiritual duality and also
Speaker 3: like a governmental kind of I don't think that those
Speaker 3: two things have to be separate. I think that they're
Speaker 3: very much enmeshed with each other. So yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: When I look at this case, I do see a
Speaker 3: lot of like how ancient Aliens was trying to depict
Speaker 3: it and being like a spiritual thing with black magic.
Speaker 3: But I also look at it from the perspective that
Speaker 3: David McGowan was writing about in Programmed to Kill, where
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, it's spiritual, but also like, look at
Speaker 3: the type of people that they were abducting.
Speaker 4: They're all like ex.
Speaker 3: Police officers and like DEA agents and FBI agents, Like
Speaker 3: this isn't random.
Speaker 4: They're they're choosing their.
Speaker 3: Victims very specifically and kind of like what we were
Speaker 3: talking about in our Maryland episode. Adolpho was arrested in August,
Speaker 3: and there is a lot of eights that are around Adolpho.
Speaker 3: They say that he had only killed eight victims. It
Speaker 3: turned out to be a lot more, but that's the
Speaker 3: first number they came out with and then he was
Speaker 3: arrested in August, so there was like a double eight there.
Speaker 3: But here's huh, I tho, dude, I think that the
Speaker 3: eight is super significant when you see it like and
Speaker 3: specifically with stuff like this too.
Speaker 2: Well it's just weird, but well an occultism. It is
Speaker 2: in reference to the infinity, right.
Speaker 3: The magician too for sure, and he is a magician
Speaker 3: of sorts, right, so idiot even that you get like.
Speaker 5: H yeah, he and you know, we talked about this later,
Speaker 5: but he is looking at some of the stuff. I believe.
Speaker 5: One of the claims was that the padrino that he
Speaker 5: studied under adult who did as a kid, that he
Speaker 5: locked him in with that deity, the one that you
Speaker 5: just mentioned, that he performed all these rituals in order
Speaker 5: to bind him to that deity. And he was the
Speaker 5: one that like I think when he was and even
Speaker 5: the way he was born to and you covered this
Speaker 5: so well, the way he was born is just very questionable.
Speaker 5: But that that priest basically said, this child is chosen,
Speaker 5: He's the one. He's going to be powerful. Like it's
Speaker 5: just all this, like I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, Well, it reminds me because a lot of
Speaker 3: these Satanists are generational, right, And so I talked about
Speaker 3: it with Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole in the
Speaker 3: Program to Kill episode where they said that their parents,
Speaker 3: their mothers, dressed them as girls and they were kind
Speaker 3: of like involved.
Speaker 4: In generational Satanism.
Speaker 3: And Adolfo was born into generational Satanism.
Speaker 4: His mother was something.
Speaker 3: Of a high priestess and he worked with this other guy,
Speaker 3: I think it was in Puerto Rico, who, like you said,
Speaker 3: kind of blessed him and was he was under this
Speaker 3: guy's like tutelage or whatever, trying to become a master
Speaker 3: fucking Satanist.
Speaker 4: And I'll look at this.
Speaker 3: Eighty eight piano keys, look at all of that shit.
Speaker 3: The Dolorean. Oh yeah, I gun it to eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Fucking I love the future. I think it's actually got
Speaker 3: a lot of conspiracy stuff in it. But anyways, here's
Speaker 3: the kicker, because you can't separate the Satanism from the
Speaker 3: governmental stuff. Because he served in the United States Army
Speaker 3: in the sixties, just like a lot of our serial killers.
Speaker 3: And he claims that while he was in the army,
Speaker 3: he had been initiated into a violent Satanic cult that
Speaker 3: orchestrated these incidents as part of a ritual murder, just
Speaker 3: like Henry Lee Lucas said, and otis tool. But on
Speaker 3: top of that, like BTK, the Zodiac Killer, Jack the Ripper,
Speaker 3: and Adolpho Constanzo, they all end up writing letters to
Speaker 3: the police. And it's almost like there's this interesting connection
Speaker 3: between programmed serial killers. I'm including Adolpho in that and
Speaker 3: the police and or military style shit. And it's just
Speaker 3: interesting to me that there's this aspect of him writing
Speaker 3: letters to the police. They could have known about this
Speaker 3: guy and stopped him a long time ago, but they didn't,
Speaker 3: just like the Zodiac, just like VTK, just like Jack
Speaker 3: the Ripper took it takes him forever if they even
Speaker 3: find out.
Speaker 4: Who this who these people are.
Speaker 3: They never fucking find found out who Jack the Ripper
Speaker 3: or the Zodiac was. But here's all these letters right
Speaker 3: written to the police. And so I do think that
Speaker 3: he's saying that he's basically like a government employee. He
Speaker 3: was in the military. He does have this background of
Speaker 3: being a Satanist. He was born into generational Satanism because
Speaker 3: his mother was fucking batshit crazy.
Speaker 4: But I think it's safe to say like.
Speaker 3: He's a lot like the other cast of characters with
Speaker 3: the ritualism and the governmental stuff and being protected from
Speaker 3: on high because one of the more compelling aspects of
Speaker 3: Henry Lee Lucas's story was his contention that he had
Speaker 3: ties to cult run ranches that were just south of
Speaker 3: the US border, Okay, and then boom, out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty nine, this ranch, Adolpho's Ranch, was discovered
Speaker 3: just south of Brownsville, Texas, Okay, and Adolpho is saying
Speaker 3: he was inducted into a military satanic cult, just like
Speaker 3: Henry Lee Lucas said he was. And I don't think
Speaker 3: that that is a coincidence. Henry Lee Lucas is saying
Speaker 3: there are cult run ranches that are inducting people to
Speaker 3: become almost like cult leaders, and they're murdering a bunch
Speaker 3: of people. And then all of a sudden we find
Speaker 3: Adolpho's Ranch, and it matches the exact description that Henry
Speaker 3: Lee Lucas took a map and he said he marked
Speaker 3: a next and he said, there's a ranch right here.
Speaker 3: There's a ranch right here. You'll find dead bodies all
Speaker 3: over the place. And they were like, Okay, Henry fucking
Speaker 3: made a net Flicks documentary saying, oh, Henry the confession
Speaker 3: killer couldn't possibly have been He couldn't possibly have known
Speaker 3: all this stuff. But yet somehow he was able to
Speaker 3: lead them right to these fucking ranches where all these
Speaker 3: dead people were. And more than half of Adolpho's cult
Speaker 3: members and priestesses were from Brownsville, Texas. They weren't Mexican,
Speaker 3: and you know a lot of people say that, oh, well, they.
Speaker 4: Were just crazy Mexican people.
Speaker 3: And they were all part of They were from Brownsville, Texas,
Speaker 3: and most of them went to Southmost Texas College and
Speaker 3: were majoring in law enforcement, so they were Americans, they
Speaker 3: were educated. I don't know how the fuck they got
Speaker 3: involved in that, but here they show up Adolpho's fucking
Speaker 3: compound in the middle of fucking Mexico, murdering people and
Speaker 3: burying them alive, and shit, I mean, it's just do you.
Speaker 2: Think they do you think that they were possibly clockwork ultred?
Speaker 4: I do? I think that they were, because here's.
Speaker 2: The thing, right, but specifically sent out there though to
Speaker 2: be underneath him.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think a lot like Charles Manson, that these family
Speaker 3: members weren't chosen at random. And I actually have a
Speaker 3: quote right here in my notes that I'm going to
Speaker 3: read to you guys, because Adolpho was described as quote
Speaker 3: a thoroughly ruthless and benevolent genius with a messionic ability
Speaker 3: to command the loyalty and blind obedience of his followers
Speaker 3: who joined him. The followers were in a zombie like
Speaker 3: state with a loathsome blood feast of dope dealing torture, terror,
Speaker 3: and human sacrifice, quote unquote, which is exactly how they
Speaker 3: described Manson and his family members as being in a
Speaker 3: zombie like and what the dope dealing terared, torture and
Speaker 3: human sacrifice.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 3: Just it literally sounds like he's like Manson two point
Speaker 3: zero and he's got these people out there doing god
Speaker 3: knows what.
Speaker 4: They probably fucked with their.
Speaker 3: Minds enough to send them over to him, and he
Speaker 3: just kind of like ran some kind of program, right, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was definitely curated for them to be there.
Speaker 3: And it's like his mom somehow was also involved in
Speaker 3: this too, because she was arrested like thirty something times
Speaker 3: and the charges never seemed to stick with her, Like
Speaker 3: she literally could do all kinds of weird stuff, and
Speaker 3: she always like got some kind of a short probation
Speaker 3: or something like. She was arrested over thirty times and
Speaker 3: the most she ever got was like a short probation.
Speaker 3: And it's just right, It's like it's like escaping from
Speaker 3: prison twice, you know what I mean. It just it
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. And they found Adolfo's mom living in
Speaker 3: a vacant, dilapidated apartment building that was smeared with human
Speaker 3: shit and human blood and urine, and she was charged
Speaker 3: with trespassing and child neglect. And she that didn't even
Speaker 3: stick to her, Like tell me how you they find
Speaker 3: you in an abandoned apartment building covered with human shit
Speaker 3: and piss and blood with children, and you don't serve
Speaker 3: any jail time whatsoever. I mean, thirty times this woman
Speaker 3: is arrested, she gets off the hook, Scott free, right.
Speaker 3: And in my opinion, it just shows that this is
Speaker 3: part of like a generational programming. It's like Lisa said,
Speaker 3: from the second this guy is born, they're doing rituals
Speaker 3: on him, and shit, he's the chosen one. They've got
Speaker 3: him training under some kind of a priest guy. And
Speaker 3: you know his mom never goes to jail. She pretty
Speaker 3: much can do whatever she wants and get away with it.
Speaker 3: And apparently Adolfo too. I mean, he's got forty plus
Speaker 3: bodies buried all over his compound doing rituals and shit,
Speaker 3: and it took years for them to find this guy,
Speaker 3: even with Henry Lee Lucas putting his compound out on
Speaker 3: a map and going, look here, go check this place.
Speaker 3: It's a fucking satanic cult and they're murdering people.
Speaker 2: Okay, Henry, it's because their governmental science experiments and they
Speaker 2: want to see what is going to happen, so they
Speaker 2: allow this to happen and they keep it perpetuating, right.
Speaker 3: And so in this this part is crazy to me
Speaker 3: because it's it's not like after they bust these guys,
Speaker 3: like it all just goes away and we don't see
Speaker 3: more of it. Because I feel like it's an archetype
Speaker 3: and that they just used different people in these roles
Speaker 3: throughout time. And Adolfo was something of a Marina Abramovich
Speaker 3: for the eighties, and he actually moved to Mexico City
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty four and he became a psychic to
Speaker 3: the stars and all of his friends were super famous celebrities, politicians.
Speaker 3: He lived an extremely extravagant lifestyle and he did all
Speaker 3: this spirit cooking and shit with them, and he was
Speaker 3: the psychic to the stars like Marina.
Speaker 5: And he also I believe was like also recruited by
Speaker 5: like the equivalent of our FBI director down in Mexico,
Speaker 5: Like he was asking him and paying him off either
Speaker 5: to find stuff or to prevent people from getting caught,
Speaker 5: but it was always some sort of manipulation whatsoever. Then
Speaker 5: you also had him very associated with a lot of
Speaker 5: the cartels heads, like the actual main people in charge
Speaker 5: and like asking for hey, King Jumia Solid you know.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Well, and see that's that's the part that gets me
Speaker 3: is they don't never mention that in the Ancient Aliens episode, right,
Speaker 3: it's all about the sorcery aspect of it, and oh
Speaker 3: he's communicating with extra suck my dick, like there's so
Speaker 3: much more going on, and they try to turn it
Speaker 3: all into like it's gotta be Aliens. Tell me where
Speaker 3: the Aliens fits into Like it doesn't, it doesn't fit,
Speaker 3: It doesn't fit.
Speaker 5: But I do know that I think with his mom,
Speaker 5: his mom and then the priests, that that I think
Speaker 5: did his indoctrination, which I think is totally suspect because
Speaker 5: so he's he's a priest that says he's a chosen on,
Speaker 5: he's the neo, right, and then and then somehow he
Speaker 5: goes to stay with him and basically learn under him,
Speaker 5: and then he sends him to Mexico and provides him contacts.
Speaker 5: So how does this random priest and miammy of this
Speaker 5: like you know, backwoods type religion have all these contacts
Speaker 5: to all these people in Mexico?
Speaker 3: The aliens gave it to him. Oh and that was
Speaker 3: literally he's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: That he was able to astro project. That's where that
Speaker 5: comes in. He was able to astro project and be
Speaker 5: able to tell you things that no one else could
Speaker 5: tell you. But they were saying that potentially he had
Speaker 5: intel on the people that he was catering to, whether
Speaker 5: it was drug cartels, whether it's you know, the equivalent
Speaker 5: of their FBI or whatever, and therefore was providing them
Speaker 5: stuff in order to convince them of stuff in order
Speaker 5: to get in with them.
Speaker 3: See that that makes more sense to me than him
Speaker 3: actually even having supernatural powers. Is like he's got all
Speaker 3: these politicians and cartel people and celebrities, and he's all
Speaker 3: friends with them, and somehow he's able to predict their
Speaker 3: future and shit like.
Speaker 4: That and know things that he shouldn't know.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you could look at it and say, there's
Speaker 3: an aspect that could be supernatural because he is practicing
Speaker 3: like dark sorcery and shit like that, or he has
Speaker 3: all these like high up connections and they're feeding him
Speaker 3: information the same way that they were feeding Henry Lee
Speaker 3: Lucas information because they would say, like, there's no way
Speaker 3: he could have killed these two people because he would
Speaker 3: have had been in two places at one time. But
Speaker 3: somehow he knows intimate details about the crime scene that
Speaker 3: you would only know if you were there. Well, hello,
Speaker 3: the only way he could know that shit is if
Speaker 3: somebody was feeding him information. And I think it could
Speaker 3: have been the same with Adolpho because there's a there's
Speaker 3: an aspect to this that's like they were almost it
Speaker 3: was almost like he was an employee because I talked
Speaker 3: about in our first Program to Kill episode when I
Speaker 3: was talking about the pedos. You remember, I said, like
Speaker 3: there were underground tunnels under the school that would like
Speaker 3: pop up in like random like warehouses and sheds and shit,
Speaker 3: and it didn't make sense why they were connected to
Speaker 3: the school. And then Michael Achino at the Presidio Military Base,
Speaker 3: his house was really close to like their daycare center,
Speaker 3: and these kids could describe his house like in perfect detail. Well,
Speaker 3: Adolfo had a huge mansion in the middle of Mexico
Speaker 3: City that was located directly across from an elementary school,
Speaker 3: and so it very much reminded me of Michael Achino
Speaker 3: and all the pedos, like with the McMartin school shit,
Speaker 3: because why is this guy who's murdering all these people
Speaker 3: in this super ritualistic way right next to an elementary school?
Speaker 3: And as we go in, I might even save this
Speaker 3: for the second part of the episode, but kids were
Speaker 3: involved with a lot of this shit, and the further
Speaker 3: you dig into this stuff, the more you find that
Speaker 3: it fits the mold of all the other serial killers
Speaker 3: and petos that you know, they do use kids in
Speaker 3: these rituals and it's important that they have easy access
Speaker 3: to something like that.
Speaker 4: And so.
Speaker 3: The way that the bodies were mutilated, it also reminded
Speaker 3: me kind of like Marilyn Monroe esque, because all of
Speaker 3: their internal organs were missing and I do think that
Speaker 3: there's a lot to be said about a ritualism and
Speaker 3: two black market organ harvesting because this guy.
Speaker 4: Was involved in all of that shit.
Speaker 3: He was involved in the trade, he was involved in, uh,
Speaker 3: he was somehow linked to like Chicago mob bosses like Maryland,
Speaker 3: was super random, and then all of the victims, all
Speaker 3: of their internal organs are missing. I'm talking brains, heart, lungs,
Speaker 3: all that shit was gone. So I just, yeah, you
Speaker 3: could say he was using him for rituals and shit
Speaker 3: because he was a sorcer or whatever, but it makes
Speaker 3: more sense to me with the amount of money that
Speaker 3: he had and the type of lifestyle that he had,
Speaker 3: that he might have been involved in like some type
Speaker 3: of black market organ trade as well. I don't know
Speaker 3: what you guys think about that.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna interject really quickly. So I know a little
Speaker 5: bit about some of the practices of the Caribbean from
Speaker 5: what I remember being told was that when they brought
Speaker 5: the African slaves into the Caribbean, most of them were
Speaker 5: allowed to maintain a lot of their cultural religious practices,
Speaker 5: belief systems, and what have you. And then being here
Speaker 5: it kind of started to morph because you started to
Speaker 5: have I think initially you started to get separation. They
Speaker 5: didn't want the different nationalities to mix because then they
Speaker 5: would overthrow, you know, the slave owners and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But I think what ended up happening is that you
Speaker 5: started to get some mixing of like Santa Ria, Voodoo,
Speaker 5: who do Bilo, Miyambe and all that stuff. But when
Speaker 5: you really start to see it take off takeoff is
Speaker 5: when you start to see the influx of the refugees
Speaker 5: coming into the US, particularly in Florida, right, And that's
Speaker 5: when you start to see a huge up like upcropping
Speaker 5: or upgrowing of Bo Miambi, Santa Ia, who Doo and
Speaker 5: all that stuff in Miami specifically, Right. So it's melting
Speaker 5: pot of Afro Caribbean belief systems and it's almost like
Speaker 5: they're mixing it in with Christianity, like how the ritual
Speaker 5: is how so like with Polo miawm Ba, kind of
Speaker 5: like back in the day with Christian and Catholic faith,
Speaker 5: they built churches around relics, right, you know, Saint died,
Speaker 5: they built a church up or whatever. They kind of
Speaker 5: had a similar belief in that they believed that you
Speaker 5: would have to create a cauldron and put a dead
Speaker 5: body parts in it, and then you would I think
Speaker 5: you would have had add like twenty some sticks coming
Speaker 5: out of it and basically create this relic and then
Speaker 5: built your housing or whatever tempt and then you would
Speaker 5: basically not come to life. But this is how you
Speaker 5: would communicate with deities, and you would ask in petition
Speaker 5: and pray and what have you. Right, everything from you
Speaker 5: name it, like you know, is my husband cheating on me?
Speaker 5: Or I wouldn't become rich or you know, what have you.
Speaker 5: But one of the main things I think that stuck
Speaker 5: out to me with pollow is that they required a
Speaker 5: skull inside of it, and that because they wanted it
Speaker 5: to talk to you, right, which is kind of reminiscent
Speaker 5: to me of the of what the Templars had been
Speaker 5: accused of ahead. And I was like, I wonder how
Speaker 5: much of that is correlated, because we do know you
Speaker 5: have a lot of Masonic Templar type influences into the
Speaker 5: US culture, into intelligencia of the US government, and now
Speaker 5: you have these types of religions all mixing in. How
Speaker 5: much of them are breeding together and now you're getting something,
Speaker 5: whether it is astral projection, whether it is looking into,
Speaker 5: you know, mind manipulation. I think they're throwing everything out
Speaker 5: there to see how they can manipulate a situation and
Speaker 5: gather intel information and manipulate countries and all that other stuff.
Speaker 5: But with Pollo, that was what I understood it to be,
Speaker 5: and it was, you know, like an Afro ritual type
Speaker 5: belief system. And what I had told Nick about I
Speaker 5: was like, you know, it was really interesting is that
Speaker 5: you don't have a whole lot of Cuban presence or
Speaker 5: influence in Mexico, especially during the eighties, and it was
Speaker 5: all pretty much over in Florida. All you had was
Speaker 5: Mexican and Texas, and then you had well Mexican in
Speaker 5: California as well, but a lot of the Caribbean was
Speaker 5: mainly centralized in Florida. And so not that there's discrimination,
Speaker 5: but you didn't hear of it readily for there to
Speaker 5: be a huge Cuban influence. So it's it stuck out
Speaker 5: to me. I was like, not to say that there wasn't,
Speaker 5: but it just stuck out to me. I was like, wow,
Speaker 5: that's really interesting that there would be, you know, such
Speaker 5: a heavy Cuban presence. But then when I read and
Speaker 5: it was saying that these were students from this side.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, they were recruiting people.
Speaker 4: Oh right, yeah, how lovely.
Speaker 3: And you know, I think that they wouldn't practice this
Speaker 3: stuff if it didn't work.
Speaker 4: I've said that before.
Speaker 3: You know, if they did it a couple, you know,
Speaker 3: a dozen times and they weren't getting results, I don't
Speaker 3: think that they would continue to practice this shit. And
Speaker 3: so I don't find that it's separate from it's like
Speaker 3: you were saying. I think that the Templars were definitely
Speaker 3: up to some shit, and we have so many masons
Speaker 3: in the governmental structure, and so I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say that Adolfo just came up with this on his own.
Speaker 3: I think maybe he was steered in that direction obviously,
Speaker 3: But if they weren't getting results, they wouldn't continue to
Speaker 3: even fuck with it.
Speaker 4: Really, And I don't know if you guys have heard about.
Speaker 3: I just want to mention it, not to tangent too far,
Speaker 3: but I think the channel is called Old World Florida.
Speaker 3: He's got his own YouTube channel and he talks about
Speaker 3: how if you really read the Bible and you look
Speaker 3: at the United States, Florida, I'm one hundred percent convinced
Speaker 3: at this point was the original place of Garden of
Speaker 3: Eden and all of the geologic I mean, it lines
Speaker 3: up perfectly. And so when you're talking about all this shit,
Speaker 3: who do Voodoo, Haitian crazy Pollo miam Bay coming into Florida,
Speaker 3: I think that there's been a really, uh decisive effort
Speaker 3: to fuck Florida up because it's such a sacred place.
Speaker 3: And I think that they've done a great job hiding
Speaker 3: a lot of history from people, and I do not
Speaker 3: put it past them to uh use satanic and or
Speaker 3: ancient religions to basically pervert a lot of the beautiful
Speaker 3: things that we have even in the US. If if
Speaker 3: if it was the Garden of Eden in Florida, I
Speaker 3: think that's pretty crazy that we're looking in like the
Speaker 3: most barren, desert crazy place in the world for it
Speaker 3: to you know, look at the Middle East, why would
Speaker 3: that be the fucking Garden of It's like literally responsible
Speaker 3: for nothing, Like it's a dirty dust bowl in the
Speaker 3: middle of Foxville. Why would that be the Garden of Eden?
Speaker 3: I mean, look at Florida.
Speaker 2: I have my own theories that go along with that,
Speaker 2: but we won't get into that on this episode. Because
Speaker 2: it has to do with other lands outside of Antarctica
Speaker 2: and how we're separated from those. But I will say
Speaker 2: that to go into that theory that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that believe that when they
Speaker 2: say that the Titans are going to rise up out
Speaker 2: of the rivers, that it's actually talking about the Mississippi River.
Speaker 2: And it just so happens that Tennessee named their football
Speaker 2: team the Titans. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I think that there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: that they cover up and hide and shit like that.
Speaker 3: When you mentioned how Miami in particular is like this
Speaker 3: melting pot of all these like weird religions coming together,
Speaker 3: I mean that makes sense to me.
Speaker 1: And what is this he says he's been to the
Speaker 1: Middle East? Is nothing like your bullshit Zionist media for.
Speaker 4: What is it like?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Actually I don't want to go. It just doesn't look
Speaker 3: like a good time to me. But Florida, does I
Speaker 3: actually have been to?
Speaker 4: Oh god, where did it?
Speaker 3: I went somewhere on spring break, had a hell of
Speaker 3: a time, way better than the Middle East. But getting
Speaker 3: back to Adolpho, Yeah, I do think he could have
Speaker 3: been practicing like dark sorcery stuff and his mom.
Speaker 4: I think that they were from Puerto Rico, maybe from Cuba.
Speaker 5: And then I think and she had him when she
Speaker 5: she had him when she was fifteen, and I was like,
Speaker 5: that's considering. And again I don't I don't know what
Speaker 5: was going on at the time, but that's from what
Speaker 5: I remember. Most Hispanics are very conservative, and to have
Speaker 5: gotten pregnant at fifteen, I think is a real big deal.
Speaker 5: I would think, right in my opinion, and it just
Speaker 5: seems a little bit not questionable. But I think there's
Speaker 5: more there. I don't know why. I just feel like
Speaker 5: they're asking.
Speaker 4: You, this.
Speaker 3: Is the name Adolfo popular, because I feel like that
Speaker 3: in itself is like pretty specific.
Speaker 4: It is. It is very spsipanic adolph and so, I mean.
Speaker 5: One of the things you'll notice is that so because
Speaker 5: Cuba was closed off for so long, you'll hear or
Speaker 5: you'll find that most of the names in Cuba are
Speaker 5: very old Spanish names. You don't hear now like an
Speaker 5: American eye or watered down type Hispanic type names. You
Speaker 5: hear these really old Latin Spanish names and you're like, oh,
Speaker 5: I've bet chased from Cuba and only because you're like,
Speaker 5: I've never heard that name before. That's like really not regal,
Speaker 5: but it's so Spanish, it's not it's or so Latin,
Speaker 5: it hasn't been watered down, So I would think that
Speaker 5: is somewhat a kin to's some sort of europe Really, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 5: European influence, for sure.
Speaker 4: It's stuck.
Speaker 2: Anybody has anybody doved into his bloodlines?
Speaker 1: I have not.
Speaker 4: All I know is about is mom. Information on this
Speaker 4: guy is kind of hard.
Speaker 3: To find because I mean they want there's a reason
Speaker 3: they want you to be able to access specific things
Speaker 3: about him and not everything. Like I don't know who
Speaker 3: the baby daddy is. I mean, he could have been
Speaker 3: like a fucking high up in the government or some shit.
Speaker 3: And that's why they buried who Adolpho's real father is.
Speaker 3: But what and why I say that is because like
Speaker 3: here is an example of some of the victims right
Speaker 3: that they found at the ranch that had been skinned, alive,
Speaker 3: buried alive, beheaded, all the things. So it was one
Speaker 3: of them was the owner and secretary of a company
Speaker 3: that served as a front for a cocaine processing lab,
Speaker 3: an informant for the federal allies, A mistress of an
Speaker 3: informant for the federal allies, uh, two federal narcotics officers,
Speaker 3: three former police officers, and the nephew of a US
Speaker 3: Customs agent. So again they try to make it look
Speaker 3: like this guy was just out randomly picking off fucking
Speaker 3: people on spring break, and he wasn't the the the
Speaker 3: victims I think were chosen specifically, but they mix in
Speaker 3: some random people like Mark from the news, like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a missing college student, and then oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: we found all these other bodies, and they make it
Speaker 3: all like it was just super random. But I think
Speaker 3: they throw people like Mark there to confuse you that
Speaker 3: this isn't specific, like they do with a lot of
Speaker 3: other like David Berkowitz and Henry Lee Lucas, even Ted,
Speaker 3: but some of Ted Bundy's victims were kind of questionable,
Speaker 3: like they had like one of them's dad was.
Speaker 4: A police officer.
Speaker 3: Like It's interesting how they throw random people into the
Speaker 3: mix to confuse you that these are organized hits, kind
Speaker 3: of like even with Manson, because it was, like I
Speaker 3: said before, they never talk about how the first Manson victim,
Speaker 3: Lino LaBianca, he was involved with gangsters. He owed like
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in gambling debts. He was,
Speaker 3: you know, part of a real nefarious crowd and owed
Speaker 3: a bunch of people and then he turns up a
Speaker 3: Manson victim. And then like they throw Sharon Tate and
Speaker 3: they're her fucking husband's part of the Process Church and
Speaker 3: a Satanist.
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh, we're super random.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking right, you know what I mean, Like it
Speaker 3: just they do that stuff to confuse you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they to throw you off of the scent, all right,
Speaker 4: and pretty much that's what they do.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how much time you guys have left,
Speaker 3: but I was going to kind of talk about after
Speaker 3: they arrested some of these guys, like the weirdness that
Speaker 3: happened around that too, because like a lot of the
Speaker 3: serial killers, like Ted Bundy, escape and jail twice, and
Speaker 3: you know, the cops rolled up on Jeffrey Dahmer countless times.
Speaker 4: It never took him in either.
Speaker 3: And by the way, some of the stuff that Jeffrey
Speaker 3: was doing is very reminiscent of like what Lisa was
Speaker 3: talking about, eating the organs, keeping the skulls, very ritualistic stuff,
Speaker 3: and who they're learning this from they were both in
Speaker 3: the military. I mean, you could start drawing some connections
Speaker 3: just based on that.
Speaker 4: But so.
Speaker 3: They start trying to bust these assholes from the ranch,
Speaker 3: the compound, whatever and take them into custody.
Speaker 4: Uh, But for.
Speaker 3: Reasons unfucking known, a large contingent of heavily armed Mexican
Speaker 3: feder allies burned down the death shed at Ranchos Santa
Speaker 3: Elena and they destroyed all of the evidence before it
Speaker 3: could be processed properly. So again, it's like, if it
Speaker 3: was how they're making it out to be in the news,
Speaker 3: why would they send a big team of Mexican Swat
Speaker 3: team members essentially to go burn this place to the
Speaker 3: ground with a bunch of evident, valuable evidence still inside,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: And Julia, Julia, I'm curious, and I don't know what
Speaker 2: everybody's thoughts are about Tripley in this room, but he
Speaker 2: always makes a really good point, and it's would there
Speaker 2: really be any organic serial killers and terrorism if it
Speaker 2: wasn't curated from three letter agencies to begin with?
Speaker 3: I think that there is a mike when it comes
Speaker 3: to serial killers. I think that there is a mix
Speaker 3: of genuine authentic serial killering and the CIA programmed serial killers.
Speaker 4: I've watched enough like.
Speaker 3: Forensic files and like detective shows to know like some
Speaker 3: people are born with a level of psychopathy that they
Speaker 3: just absolutely do not feel human emotion whatsoever, and the
Speaker 3: only way that they can get some type of excitement
Speaker 3: out of life is like literally murdering other human beings.
Speaker 3: I do think there are genuine psychopaths. I think you
Speaker 3: can create a psychopath easily and then just send them
Speaker 3: out in the world and then, you know, let them
Speaker 3: do as they will. But the more famous they become,
Speaker 3: the more you should start looking at their background as
Speaker 3: to are they CIA programmed killers? Because it's like I said,
Speaker 3: there are so many actual serial killers out there that
Speaker 3: might have five minutes in like a psychopath documentary.
Speaker 4: And then there are the.
Speaker 3: Superstars Ted Jeff John, Wayne Gacy, Berkowitz, Zodiac. The more
Speaker 3: famous they become, the more immortalized they become, that's when
Speaker 3: you need to start looking at their background and say,
Speaker 3: who the fuck really is this guy, Because the boring
Speaker 3: run of the mill psychopaths that murder their pregnant wife
Speaker 3: and kids, they don't get the spotlight that you know,
Speaker 3: some of these other guys.
Speaker 2: Do so, right, And I find it curious that if
Speaker 2: it split, if you look into a lot of things
Speaker 2: or a lot of these people and you start to see, well,
Speaker 2: they don't even have half of the body count that
Speaker 2: like this person that I've never even heard of does.
Speaker 2: So it's like, why is this person given the center
Speaker 2: stage and this person isn't And there's got to be
Speaker 2: a narrative behind it that they're trying to push.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for me, I think that's one hundred
Speaker 3: percent part of it.
Speaker 4: I actually think.
Speaker 3: So Adolpho is in the news, right, and he's kind
Speaker 3: of like one of the better known ones. But his
Speaker 3: ranch was like one out of like twenty ranches where
Speaker 3: they busted uh fucking cults with bodies all.
Speaker 4: Over the place. But Adolpho gets the spotlight.
Speaker 3: Why Then you find out he's in the military, Then
Speaker 3: you find out his mom gets off the hook thirty
Speaker 3: times being arrested.
Speaker 4: Then you find out he's working with some like.
Speaker 3: A Marina Abramovitch type celebrities and doing spirit cooking parties
Speaker 3: and shit, and it's.
Speaker 4: Like, why does this guy get the spotlight? You know? Oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: he's CIA, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So it's like you got to start kind of trying
Speaker 3: to tie stuff together. And it's like I said before,
Speaker 3: I think a lot of the ways his victims were
Speaker 3: found aren't very far off from like Jeffrey Dahmer victims.
Speaker 4: So it's like, may think they were more gruesome. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and so.
Speaker 3: I think that there is an aspect of actual, real
Speaker 3: serial killers out there. I think that I saw something
Speaker 3: on TikTok or maybe Colby told me about it. There's
Speaker 3: like one hundred active serial killers in the US at
Speaker 3: any given time.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure that's true.
Speaker 3: But the ones that get the HBO special those are
Speaker 3: the ones you need to start looking at with a
Speaker 3: little bit more of a magnifying glass. But so when
Speaker 3: they start arresting these people at the compound, Adolpho and
Speaker 3: a couple of his closest homies take off, They go
Speaker 3: into hiding, and they become the subjects of a massive
Speaker 3: man hunt. And this is where it starts to get fucky,
Speaker 3: because this is the story they say. On May six,
Speaker 3: random police officers are searching for a missing child and
Speaker 3: they inadvertently stumble upon on Constanzo and his followers hide
Speaker 3: away in Mexico City, they're looking for a missing child
Speaker 3: that's completely separate from the manhunt for Adolpho. But somehow
Speaker 3: inadvertently stumble upon his hideout and they go to approach him,
Speaker 3: and shots are fired from the apartment, and within five
Speaker 3: minutes of this exchange, two hundred police officers surround the
Speaker 3: apartment complex. And it's interesting to me how they were
Speaker 3: able to get there so fast when it was just
Speaker 3: a random police officer looking for a missing child. And
Speaker 3: within five minutes there are two hundred police officers surrounding
Speaker 3: the compound the apartment complex. So how they got there
Speaker 3: so fast has yet been to be explained. They really
Speaker 3: can't give reason why. And so a forty five minute
Speaker 3: gun battle ensued between Adolpho and the cult members and
Speaker 3: the police. I don't know if you guys are for
Speaker 3: familiar with Waco at all, when they sieged the compound, right,
Speaker 3: that was the way the first time they sieged Waco.
Speaker 3: I think it was like a twenty to thirty minute
Speaker 3: standoff between the ATF and the Branch Davidians or whatever.
Speaker 3: And there was multiple dead bodies. ATF dead bodies, Branch
Speaker 3: Davidian dead bodies, dead bodies everywhere.
Speaker 4: This was a forty five.
Speaker 3: Minute gun battle between Adolpho and like five cult members
Speaker 3: and two hundred police officers. No one gets shot, one
Speaker 3: police officer gets a little nick in his arm, one
Speaker 3: police officer.
Speaker 4: Nobody dies, right?
Speaker 2: Are you saying they were actually just playing poker and
Speaker 2: then and they were deciding who loses and they got
Speaker 2: to take the gunshot.
Speaker 3: Dude, I don't think this even happened, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think that they totally fabricated this story of a ferocious,
Speaker 3: forty five minute gun battle between the cult members and
Speaker 3: the police. I don't think this even happened, because you're
Speaker 3: telling me forty five minutes of non stop shooting at
Speaker 3: each other, not one person died as a result, not
Speaker 3: one person Like that just doesn't make any sense to
Speaker 3: me whatsoever. I think Waco actually happened. There's fucking dead
Speaker 3: bodies everywhere right this ship. This shit sounds like theater.
Speaker 2: To me inside, absolutely, because when you're planning anything and
Speaker 2: somebody has to take a bullet wound, you're gonna shoot
Speaker 2: them in the shoulder.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 1: I would wonder what would be the reason that they
Speaker 1: stopped since nobody had even died yet.
Speaker 2: S.
Speaker 3: Apparently they just needed a smoke break, because after the
Speaker 3: forty five minute gun battle, they somehow are able to
Speaker 3: get into this hiding place right and they find that
Speaker 3: Adolpho and his gay lover are in a closet and
Speaker 3: that Adolpho had ordered the other cult members to execute
Speaker 3: him point blank in the face and his lover, so
Speaker 3: that this is what they say, is like Adolpho said,
Speaker 3: I'd rather you kill me than the police get me,
Speaker 3: So just shoot me in the face, and shoot my
Speaker 3: fucking gay lover in the face, and let's just get
Speaker 3: this over with.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: In metaphorically they were in the closet, but physically they
Speaker 2: were really in the closet.
Speaker 3: Literally literally talk about that's a way to come out
Speaker 3: of it, if you're going to come out.
Speaker 5: But Gulpo was very vain, very very much so, so the.
Speaker 2: Whole shoe.
Speaker 1: It did.
Speaker 3: That part didn't make sense to me either, because they
Speaker 3: took the other cult members into custody and then they said, oh,
Speaker 3: we have Adolfo here and his gay lover and they've
Speaker 3: been shot in the face and repeatedly. So actually the
Speaker 3: bodies were riddled with automatic gunfire and in the face specifically,
Speaker 3: and identification was impossible. So what they did was they
Speaker 3: took Constanzo's body and it was actually a US consular
Speaker 3: official acting on behalf of Constanzo's mother, who lived in
Speaker 3: the piss and shit house, because she's so fucking reliable,
Speaker 3: they let her decide that it's him, and they flew
Speaker 3: his body to Miami and they immediately cremated it. And
Speaker 3: this is this is another reason why I think that
Speaker 3: she's the power structure, because there was this US conc
Speaker 3: official acting on her behalf to identify the body and
Speaker 3: then they flew it back to Miami and immediately cremated
Speaker 3: it upon its arrival.
Speaker 4: And the weird thing is they spotted in the news.
Speaker 3: Mexico City newspapers carried reports of witnesses claiming that two
Speaker 3: men were seen fleeing the scene of the gun battle,
Speaker 3: but that never gets mentioned.
Speaker 4: And he was spotted several times after.
Speaker 3: That with his gay lover, So the two bodies they
Speaker 3: found in the closet most likely were not even him,
Speaker 3: in his in his gay lover, you know, So they
Speaker 3: had to cremate the motherfuckers upon it, Like, why even
Speaker 3: go to the point of shooting your face off? If
Speaker 3: you're just gonna end up getting cremated anyways, Like, I
Speaker 3: don't get they just do retarded shit all the time.
Speaker 2: So uh, they found their passports though, right, that's how
Speaker 2: they were able to identify, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeahs yes, it would be easy to do. Right.
Speaker 3: They find two bodies in the closet with their faces
Speaker 3: shot off, but yet there was a wallet, and in
Speaker 3: the wallet was the id of Adolpho Constanso and his
Speaker 3: gay lover.
Speaker 4: Right, it would just be so easy to do that.
Speaker 3: And it's like Lisa said, he's a he's a gay
Speaker 3: cult leader that he rests with all the celebs, and
Speaker 3: he's very vain and he's he's like, kill me, shoot
Speaker 3: my face off.
Speaker 5: I believe he was Michael for a while too. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it didn't shoot.
Speaker 3: My face off, like if I was going to have
Speaker 3: like if I was literally it was between my cult
Speaker 3: members killing me or getting taken into custody, and I
Speaker 3: was like, no, I'm going to go out in a
Speaker 3: blaze of glory.
Speaker 4: Don't shoot my face off. Do anything but shoot my
Speaker 4: face off, like you know, Dulia piece.
Speaker 2: That reminds me of the first Jackass movie when they
Speaker 2: were shooting paintballs at Johnny Knoxville, and at the very
Speaker 2: end of the scene, they.
Speaker 5: Were like, are you all right?
Speaker 2: And he was like, is this good?
Speaker 4: Then We're okay?
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I mean, nobody wants to get their fucking
Speaker 3: face shot off.
Speaker 4: That's like the last weight you'd.
Speaker 2: Miss, especially a vein person, right, who thinks very highly
Speaker 2: of themselves, And the last thing that people are going
Speaker 2: to think of is their face.
Speaker 5: Just hamburger meat.
Speaker 4: Right exactly. Yeah. No, So it didn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And of course the newspapers that they buried said that
Speaker 3: they saw two guys that matched the description of Adolpho
Speaker 3: and his lover running from the scene, which, by the way,
Speaker 3: I do not think that there was an actual forty
Speaker 3: five minute gun battle. I think that that was some
Speaker 3: bullshit fucking spices they added in later to make it
Speaker 3: sound like they were doing everything they could to arrest
Speaker 3: these members.
Speaker 1: Where they get were they last seen in Argentina?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, shit, he's he's definitely probably out there. Actually,
Speaker 3: I think that he became someone who trained future generations
Speaker 3: of these.
Speaker 4: Cults, you know.
Speaker 3: I think that he was a perfect archetypal person to uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they weren't done with him, yet he served
Speaker 3: an amazing purpose. They don't shoot somebody in the face
Speaker 3: that serves the purpose like that. They probably invested a
Speaker 3: lot of time and money into making him who he was,
Speaker 3: and I think he was just repurposed. They probably gave
Speaker 3: him a new name, you know, he might have changed
Speaker 3: something about his physical appearance and became like somewhat of
Speaker 3: a either someone who trains new recruits, or they just
Speaker 3: like retired him but used him in another unspecified to
Speaker 3: to serve the program. Yeah, like he's still he's still
Speaker 3: in rotator. They still need him, like there was. There
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been a reason to get rid of him
Speaker 3: just because they found out about the h the compound it.
Speaker 3: They could have just like moved him somewhere else, you know.
Speaker 3: And uh, he's probably a straight guy now, yeah, or
Speaker 3: his lover turned fucking trans and fucking it's fucking Jennifer Aniston.
Speaker 4: Who knows.
Speaker 3: Maybe Adolfo is Barack and his lover is jen Aniston.
Speaker 4: And this is the I'm serious.
Speaker 3: I think that they use these guys as characters, and
Speaker 3: they just swap people out and give them new names
Speaker 3: and identities and ship and they go on to do it.
Speaker 2: You think that you think they always they always attacked
Speaker 2: the homosexual aspect to it on purpose or do you
Speaker 2: think that these people really are and it has to
Speaker 2: do with occult sex magic.
Speaker 4: I think it could be a combo.
Speaker 3: I know that they for some reason they like to
Speaker 3: hide Well, they've been a little bit more open about
Speaker 3: it recently, but they almost like to hide the transgenderism.
Speaker 3: Like when it comes to like fucking Michelle Obama and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, they're not going to come out and
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, she's got a dick and balls, like
Speaker 3: first tranny, first lady.
Speaker 4: They're not going to do that.
Speaker 3: But for some reason they hide it when it comes
Speaker 3: to that stuff, But they're so proud of it in
Speaker 3: any other aspect they want to ram it down our throats,
Speaker 3: and you know what I mean, it's like such a
Speaker 3: double edged sword, like you're so proud of this shit,
Speaker 3: but you don't want to admit it. Like, why what
Speaker 3: was that one lady that they killed because she was
Speaker 3: like everybody knows Michelle is a fucking dude.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the comedian John.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So here's what I find interesting, too, is the last
Speaker 2: four years that we all had to live through of
Speaker 2: this clown circus show that we had to go through, Like,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it have been the perfect time, right, and though
Speaker 2: to be like, oh and guess what, like Michelle actually
Speaker 2: used to be Michael and transitioned and everybody on that
Speaker 2: side would have been like.
Speaker 5: You're one of us, one of us, right.
Speaker 4: That would have been the perfect time to come.
Speaker 3: Then they would have had to they would have had
Speaker 3: to explain how the kids don't fucking look like or
Speaker 3: the kids are somehow fucking just babies and shit.
Speaker 2: I can see that. So instead of saying we've been
Speaker 2: lying to you, which everybody knows they have been, they're
Speaker 2: just gonna keep going along with the lie, double down,
Speaker 2: wear your mask.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I mean they don't want to have to.
Speaker 3: They don't want to have to explain where they got
Speaker 3: the kids from and shit like that. But I you know,
Speaker 3: we were talking about Lady Gaga before this even got started.
Speaker 3: I think she's trans I think she's almost admitted it
Speaker 3: a few times, and she's been like so what if
Speaker 3: I am?
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: There's an aspect where they really get off on like
Speaker 3: transhumanism as part of like this occultest thing where people
Speaker 3: should almost be genderless and like be an exact fifty
Speaker 3: to fifty split of both energies, like within.
Speaker 4: The human body.
Speaker 3: I think that they want, I think part of occultism,
Speaker 3: and correct me if I'm wrong, Nick, because I could
Speaker 3: be wrong.
Speaker 4: But it's like.
Speaker 3: Your gender traps you into the physical form. I think
Speaker 3: when you identify as anything, if you identify with your
Speaker 3: zodiac sign, your gender, anything like that, it traps you
Speaker 3: into your physical body. And the whole point is to
Speaker 3: like transcend out of that and be a genderless spirit
Speaker 3: that floats into anomalous, ambiguous form like that. That's what
Speaker 3: they want, is like no one's masculine or feminine. We're
Speaker 3: all just globs that float around and like Baphomet style
Speaker 3: tits and dicks and fucking like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That's what they want. They literally are trying to.
Speaker 3: Destroy masculinity and fit femininity because it's like there's an
Speaker 3: attack on both right now.
Speaker 1: They take occult ideas of the spirit and they put
Speaker 1: it into the flesh and it just doesn't work right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying physical humans.
Speaker 3: Because it's almost like popular right now for women maybe
Speaker 3: in my generation. I don't know, I was born in
Speaker 3: ninety four, and I see a lot of my friends
Speaker 3: drawn to this.
Speaker 4: But it's like.
Speaker 3: Find like almost effeminatee man, that's not very like all
Speaker 3: the things that make men men, and you know, their
Speaker 3: masculinity is not toxic. That's pushed a lot toxic masculinity,
Speaker 3: but it's almost like find someone that you can put
Speaker 3: their balls in your purse. And I just I've never
Speaker 3: been attracted to that. But it's like, really seriously like
Speaker 3: pushed now is men who are almost effeminate in a
Speaker 3: way and women who are almost masculine in a way.
Speaker 3: And I don't I'm not attracted to that. I don't
Speaker 3: know why that's the thing right now, but I do
Speaker 3: see that. I think they they love to use sexuality
Speaker 3: as a weapon against us.
Speaker 2: Really, sexuality is the easiest thing to pervert. And especially
Speaker 2: with the Internet being accessible as it is right now,
Speaker 2: we can't monitor the things that we want to be
Speaker 2: able to monitor that our kids are seeing and to
Speaker 2: be able to pervert them. And you know, like because
Speaker 2: we grew up watching movies that our parents were like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I can't believe they're showing that kind
Speaker 2: of thing, and now our kids are seeing like the
Speaker 2: most ridiculous things on the internet that they shouldn't be seen.
Speaker 2: So it's there, there's a term for it, and it's
Speaker 2: escaping me right now. But basic it's desensitizing them to
Speaker 2: these things, and and that way that it has to
Speaker 2: be something crazy in order for them to excite themselves,
Speaker 2: and that is Look, I'm a Christian, and that is
Speaker 2: just an easy way to push sin into the youth
Speaker 2: and start them very young.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's like they say sin feels good
Speaker 3: or else it wouldn't be sin, you know. But I
Speaker 3: think could they have put that he was a gay
Speaker 3: guy in like in his gay lover just to kind
Speaker 3: of like, oh, he murdered all these people and he
Speaker 3: skinned them alive and buried them alive and ripped their
Speaker 3: spines out and made fucking dildos out of them.
Speaker 4: But the worst part of all is that he was gay.
Speaker 4: Like that's the bad part. Like, that's the bad part.
Speaker 4: He was gay.
Speaker 3: Like so to me, it just seems like a weird
Speaker 3: aspect of like the story for me, maybe he was gay.
Speaker 3: I don't really give a shit either way, because he
Speaker 3: had fucking bodies buried all over his fucking ranch. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It's like they choose weird things
Speaker 3: to kind of like make the make the important part
Speaker 3: of it not that he had bodies buried all over
Speaker 3: his property. It's that he was gay and he was
Speaker 3: found in a fucking closet with his gay lover.
Speaker 4: That's the part, you know. It's just it's weird to me.
Speaker 3: But I know we're kind of coming to like the
Speaker 3: cutoff point because you guys have better places to be.
Speaker 1: I wish I could go.
Speaker 3: It's a good Yeah, it's a good stopping point because
Speaker 3: I think in the next part I want to talk
Speaker 3: about some of the other stuff that they found after
Speaker 3: they launched like a big investigation after they busted a Dolpho,
Speaker 3: because it spiderwebs off into like a bunch of different shit.
Speaker 3: But I guess the main takeaways. You can look at
Speaker 3: it from a spirituality aspect of it. You can look
Speaker 3: at it from a governmental aspect of it. You can
Speaker 3: watch the Ancient Aliens episode tonight for homework. I don't
Speaker 3: really give a ship which way you go with it,
Speaker 3: but this guy is super interesting and there is even
Speaker 3: more stuff to learn about him, probably in part two.
Speaker 5: So some of the some of the interesting things that
Speaker 5: definitely were that I would love to dive into with you, Julia,
Speaker 5: is like some of the how they were getting the
Speaker 5: cult indoctrinated, some of the practices, and some of the
Speaker 5: things that they were forcing them to do. And one
Speaker 5: of them I think is really possibly a tie in
Speaker 5: to some of the other cults and the other things
Speaker 5: that were happening currently in that era and during that
Speaker 5: time period. One definitely like a nod that you're like, wait, what, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think it'll be good too because I
Speaker 3: have some other stuff that I got from Program to
Speaker 3: Kill that I think is really important to this too,
Speaker 3: So we'll do that in the part two.
Speaker 1: Sounds good for me. Listen, all right, uh I let
Speaker 1: it all Just plug your stuff again real quick, Julia,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really appreciate that. That was great.
Speaker 4: Sorry for being late, guys.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it happens to the best of us, real
Speaker 1: quick catalysts. Let everybody know where they can find your
Speaker 1: amazing work, please, sir.
Speaker 5: Hey, thank you, guys.
Speaker 2: I run the White Rabbit Podcast and you can find
Speaker 2: me at all the usual suspects except for YouTube because
Speaker 2: they kicked me off four years ago when I questioned
Speaker 2: the vaccine and you can start finding me on the
Speaker 2: Cult of Conspiracy every Friday, where I will be doing
Speaker 2: a breakdown.
Speaker 4: Of some stuff that I'll announced later.
Speaker 2: I want to thank you guys for allowing me to
Speaker 2: be on here because this type of stuff doesn't hit
Speaker 2: my radar and I'm a newbie when it comes to
Speaker 2: this topic, so I apologize if I had dumb questions,
Speaker 2: but this is very interesting to me, and thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: This stuff was new to me too, so it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. And Julia, please let everybody know where they
Speaker 1: can find your amazing podcast as well.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wherever you listen to podcast Patreon for extra stuff,
Speaker 3: not YouTube like Catalyst was saying, fuck them.
Speaker 4: Oh somebody said Julia is growing on me. Appreciated it.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm also on pretty great.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm either you love or hate me,
Speaker 3: and I'm okay with either one because I just.
Speaker 4: Want people to learn. Shit.
Speaker 3: It's not really so much about me. It's about the information,
Speaker 3: you know, so and if you like the stuff that
Speaker 3: I cover. I am also on Cult of Conspiracy every Saturday,
Speaker 3: so lots of different ways you can get the information.
Speaker 3: But thanks so much for having me, and I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to part two.
Speaker 4: I think it'll be great.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you very much again, and Lisa, thank you
Speaker 1: very much for joining us tonight. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I always I love when you bring stuff to the show.
Speaker 1: It's always interesting. Is anything that you wanted to plug
Speaker 1: or anything you want to say?
Speaker 5: No, thank you Brad for being here. I really love
Speaker 5: I really like meeting you. Julia. As always, I'm very
Speaker 5: very itching to get to part two. As usual, this
Speaker 5: was a topic that I told Nick. I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: I want to cover this, but I but I don't
Speaker 5: know that we could do it all together, you know,
Speaker 5: like in terms of the timeframe or whatever. And then
Speaker 5: when I heard you cover Julie, I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: we're Julian nationally.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: I want to share notes and stuff like that, and
Speaker 5: she's done extensive work on it. I'm just very tickled
Speaker 5: that you that you even covered it, so that's really cool.
Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 1: live on both channels. And that, I guess concludes another
Speaker 1: Fridays Sorry again that JJ was not here. I do
Speaker 1: think you will be here next week and he has
Speaker 1: a special guest too, so I definitely check that out.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, until the next one. Everybody be well
Speaker 1: later