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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. In

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this episode, we're picking up where we left off with

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the Brian Edelman Declaration in support of Brian Kolberger. Part

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six Telephone Survey. A telephone survey was conducted in Layta County.

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Comparison surveys were conducted in Ada County, Canyon, and Bannett Counties.

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Research Strategies Incorporated, which is based in Mobile, Alabama, was

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hired to field the telephone survey. Standard practices related to

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the development of the instrument, interviewer training, sampling, and callbacks

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were closely followed. The survey instrument and methodology adhere to

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the professional standards and guidelines put forth by the American

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Society of Trial Consultants. All recognition questions were designed to

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describe the case using the language found in the media coverage.

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The surveys were in the field between March fifth and

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July sixth of twenty twenty four. Ultimately, four hundred jury

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eligible residents in Leayta County, four hundred in Ada County,

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two hundred from Canyon County, and two hundred and two

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from Bannett County completed the survey. Case recognition it's my

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opinion that the results of the telephone survey indicate that

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there is a bias in Leayta County and the jury

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pool against the defendants stemming from exposure to pre trial publicity.

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Sensational crimes are more likely to have a longer lasting

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impact on the public's consciousness in smaller counties compare it

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to larger ones where violent crimes are more common. In addition,

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informal communication channels, including social media, can have a greater

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effect in spreading rumors and misinformation about a sensational crime

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such as this. Layta County is the eleventh largest county

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in Idaho, with just thirty two thousand, five hundred and

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fifteen residents over the age of eighteen. Sixty six percent

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or twenty one thousand, five hundred and ninety eight of

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its jury eligible population reside in Moscow, the community most

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traumatized by this crime. Leayta County residents have remained highly

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invested in this case despite the passage of time. Time

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almost all ninety eight percent jury eligible respondents were familiar

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with the case. In addition, approximately sixty eight percent of

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survey respondents reported that they have followed this case somewhat

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or very closely, with twenty nine percent falling into the

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latter category, presumption of guilt. The survey data also indicates

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that the presumption of innocence has been shifted to a

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presumption of guilt. Approximately sixty seven percent of perspective jurors

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who were familiar with the case believe that Brian Colberger

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is guilty of murder, with twenty five percent falling into

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the definitely guilty category. The presumption of guilt increased to

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eighty one percent for those who recognize seven or more

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media items tested in the survey. Furthermore, fifty one percent

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of those who have been exposed to media coverage reported

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that Colburger would have a difficult time convincing them that

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he is not guilty, with increased to sixty six percent

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for those who recognize seven or more media items. Just

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nineteen percent reported that defendant would not have a difficult

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time convincing them of his innocence. As for the sentence,

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fifty two percent of Leatak County survey respondents believe the

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jury should sentence Coburger to the death if he's convicted,

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compared to twenty four percent who favored life without the

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possibility of parole. Approximately fifty one percent of those who

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did not support a life sentence indicated that the defendant

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would have a difficult time convincing them that he should

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not be executed. Only nineteen percent disagreed with that statement.

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Case knowledge the community is just more than passing familiar

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with the case. Approximately seventy nine percent of Latak County

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survey respondents recognized at least five of nine media items

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tested in the survey, and fifty two percent were familiar

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with seven or more. Eighty one percent of survey respondents

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who recognized the case had read, seen, or heard that

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police found a knife sheath on the bed next to

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one of the victims, and sixty seven percent were aware

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that DNA found on the knife sheath was matched to

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Brian Colberger. In addition, eighty six percent of Leatak County

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surveyors respondents heard that the defendant owns the same type

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of vehicle recorded on video driving in the neighborhood where

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the killings occurred, and seventy nine percent were aware that

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cell phone tower data purportedly showed that Colburger made several

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trips near the victims home months before the killings. Being

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familiar with Such incriminating details, which came from the probable

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cause affid David shared with the media, is particularly concerning,

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giving that most were significantly related to prejudgment. For example,

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seventy five percent of Leta County survey respondents who had read, seen,

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or heard that DNA found on the knife sheath was

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later matched to Brian Colberger believed d he is guilty of murder,

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and sixty percent indicated that he would have a difficult

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time convincing them otherwise. All the media items tested in

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the survey and significantly related to the presumption at guilt

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are provided in the table below. Some of the most

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prejudicial media items were those regarding misinformation. For example, eighty

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one percent of prospective jurors who had heard that Coburger

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stocked one of the victims reports that he's guilty, and

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sixty two percent maintained that he would have a difficult

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time changing their minds. Only after this allegation was proliferated

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through the media and social media for sixteen months did

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the prosecutor clarify. In April twenty twenty four, hearing that

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it was untrue. Prospective jurors who had seen media coverage

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discussing Coberger's alibi have also reacted critically. Approximately seventy nine

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percent of those who have read, seen, or heard that

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the defendants that he was driving alone on the night

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of the murders believe he is guilty, and sixty two

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percent indicated that he would have a difficult time convincing

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them otherwise. Consistent with what often happens in smaller venues, rumors, conjecture,

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and misinformation have spread through informal discussion and alternate communication

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networks such as social media. Approximately eighty eight percent of

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Leta County survey respondents who recognize the case have talked

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about the murders or heard others talking about them in

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person or online. Prospective jurors who were also familiar with

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misinformation reported in the media and tested in the survey.

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For example, forty five percent of red seen or heard

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that Brian Coburger stalked one of the victims, and forty

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five percent were aware that he allegedly followed one of

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the victims on social media earlier. In the survey, respondents

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were asked what rumors or theories they had heard about

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the murders, the defendant or his victims. Leta County. Survey

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respondents reported a litany of rumors and conjecture that have

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been spread in the coverage, in formal discussions and social media.

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Examples include he may come from a family of crime,

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and previous cases have been uncovered. I've heard that Coburger

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has been linked to other murders in Washington and Pennsylvania.

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I've heard their railroad in Coburger to put them away,

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and the evidence was planted and he's being framed. One

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other one that I heard was that he was not

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working with one or the other of the roommates. Some

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speculation that Coburger committed a murder in Oregon. Possibly the

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house was a party house and a couple of people

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who died there weren't supposed to be there, the boyfriend

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and the girlfriend. Also, Coburger had commented about committing the

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perfect murder in a paper that maybe one of his

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victims had rejected him sexually caused this with his criminal

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justice interest, he wanted to try to commit the perfect murder.

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The girls were party girls. Brian was studying criminology see

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how much he could get away with. I just heard

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it was part of his research to commit these murders

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in a small town because he thought he could get

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away with it. I've heard a theory that he might

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have committed the murders to see if he can get

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away with it and get off, That he planned it

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out and that he would keep doing it if he

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wasn't caught. He was a law student at WSU and

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he looked on the internet for how to do certain things.

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He was interviewing people for his thesis. Someone said that

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he may have been snubbed by the girls at parties.

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Students that were killed were big partiers and had been

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to parties with them, and that Coburger bragged about committing

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perfect murder and was taking criminal justice classes people who

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they thought were involved. Also that the other roommates were involved,

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but that hasn't been proven, just a rumor. Rumors about

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other suspects. He frequented mad Greek stalking. Well, hold up,

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you mean to tell me that you're going to try

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and say he didn't go to the mad Greek. Sorry.

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I don't buy that for a minute. That there could

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have been another person. I heard that Colburger had an obsession.

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Multiple people involved may have been connected with ritual killings

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of an animal. Speculation that the roommates are involved. Surprised

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the police did not do more investigations. I think frat

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boys may have been involved. News on the street it

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was really a gruesome murder and vicious. Also heard by

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some people I know in jail that have told me

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they have seen interaction with police in Coburger while in

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jail and says the police seemed to be friendly to

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butter up with Coburger to try to get him to talk.

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Police here are doing an excellent job, and on this case,

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we're told he slice and diced them and hung them

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from the fan. Don't know why he did it. There

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were some rumors that he stalked the girls, but can't

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say that's for sure. The rumor that he was an

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ex of one of the female victims, and I heard

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he had tourettes. He fit the description and was in

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the wrong place at the wrong time. He tried to

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leave the country. I heard that there was two other people,

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but they found his DNA at the scene. I've heard

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that the defense isn't sure who it is, or maybe

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the roommates are involved, or there may be more than

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one person. He had killed someone else in the car

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with him. He killed the people and there was someone

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else helping him. His roommates said Coburger was acting strange

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around the time of the murders. He's guilty. He did it,

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and the evidence was found at the crime scene. He

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knew one of the people in there. He tried to

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connect with one woman. He was aware of where the

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girls were at all times, been in and around the

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house a couple of times. Rumors that there was a

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second person responsible in Rumors of following the girls online,

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and lots and lots of parties at the house because

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it's a university town. He was obsessed with one of

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the girls at the house. I heard that Brian tried

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to hit one of the girls at the restaurant. Brian

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Colberger said, am I the only one getting arrested when

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the cop picked them up. He was stalking one of

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the victims. He was delusional about being in a relationship

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with one of the girls. We're pretty sure that he

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did it, pretty sure that he was stalking them, checking

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the places they went. One of the girls his romantic advances.

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He went in the house and killed three girls and

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one gentleman. He was dating one of the girls and

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she stopped seeing them. He came back and killed them all,

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him sleeping or being obsessed with one of the girls

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and him stalking them. His relationship with the victims attracted

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to one. I've heard something along the lines he had

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a personal grudge against them, but don't know if it's true.

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I heard he was stalking two of the victims, who

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also heard he went back into the house after the

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murders were committed. I also heard that the roommates were

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in on it. He was a teacher assistant at WSU

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and he had issues with women there. One of the

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restaurants where he ate it was the one where the

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girls worked at. I've heard that he has a bad

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history with women, and everyone is thinking that has something

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to do with why he did what he did. He

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worked in the same building with me. I didn't know him,

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but a friend did and said he was strange and

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would just stare at you. I think he hates women.

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He doesn't respect women at all. Kind of obvious from

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the way he's treated his professors and the people he

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works with. His fellow grad students the other university he

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was working, they had problems with them too. I don't

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know why he picked those victims. He just stalked the

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other girl. He just kind of ignored them and didn't

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engage in their communication. He was trying to communicate with

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her and she didn't respond, so he stalked her. That's

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what the videotapes are showing, and the pings on his

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cell phone. His social media. A lot of people on

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Reddit found disturbing posts from years back the drive by stalking.

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He had a temper and stopped them. He was studying

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criminal law. Somehow he was shunned by them. There are

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different things from his past, his behaviors before he came here.

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He attended school in criminal justice. That's what he was

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studying at Washington State University. He lives back in Pennsylvania.

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Girls that grew up with them stalk don't know if

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that's the right word. He didn't have healthy relationships with women.

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Maybe a second person's involved. One of the girls complained

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about being stalked, but no action was taken. One story

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that I heard before he was apprehended that these women

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had a business going on the internet that was sexual

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in nature, and that was one of their clients. Was

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displeased with them. Maybe he didn't want One of the

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girls leaving town heard lots of different rumors, heard numerous

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things too intense for me to repeat. Too many rumors

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answer this question mostly really crazy stuff. But other than that,

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we don't know a whole lot. I've read and seen

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ridiculous amounts of false information on TV and online. I'm

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a student and I've heard a lot. Don't know what

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to believe. There's a lot of discussion about his psychological makeup,

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a master's and working on a PhD in criminology. That's

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a fact. The rumor that he's going to write a

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book about it, and the reason is to write a book.

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He gets love letters from women in prison, that's a rumor.

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What the defense attorney wants is to make sure he

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doesn't get executed. That's a rumor. There are tons of

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rumors in this town, knee deep in rumors. The worst

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rumor was that the murders were engineered by a woman.

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A psychic in Texas accused her a murder. The woman's

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being sued and there is coret facts about it. The

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rumor is the history professor did this. In the University

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of Idaho. I've heard rumors that the roommates might be

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or could be involved in about Coburger's past in history.

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I have heard that the girls that he really liked,

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that he had stabbed her the most and the worst.

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That's the biggest thing I've heard. There are so many

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little things heard. Rumors about drug deals, or that he

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stalked the victims, heard that it was possibly a drug case,

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there was a drug deal gone bad. I've heard all

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kinds of things, from drug deals gone bad, or to

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his being so smart that he thought he could get

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away with murder. Everyone in the whole country heard it.

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I feel like I remember it was home that had

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a lot of weekend and night parties, and that he

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had potentially been there once or twice to the home.

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I guess I don't pay much attention to that. Once

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that really bothered me was the roommates that were not killed.

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Dylan Bethany survived, and they were talking during the murder

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that they the two surviving roommates were involved somehow, there

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were drugs. It was disturbing. There's nothing in the information

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release that alludes to them having any involvement in the crimes.

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That the police department was corrupt in the prosecutor's office,

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some conspiracy about cover up. It's silly and stupid. I

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don't believe it. There have been rumors about the university

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and the cops being involved. I heard that it was

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a party house and had a lot of people coming

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and going. I was aware of the victims. I had

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met two of them and they were scared of him.

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We are spending millions of dollars to defend them, and

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it's a waste of tax dollars. Speculation is that he

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drove over there and left his phone, murdered the people

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drove away, left and went back that morning remembering you

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forgot the sheath, that he might have thrown the knife

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in the river. That there is so much evidence against him.

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There is speculation that some people heard him when he

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started attacking them, and that one of them fought back. Also,

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someone said something about him turning his phone off or

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off the network when he was driving near the area.

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Some people think he made it look like he drove

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to Clarkstown, Washington, so it wouldn't look like he was

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in Moscow. And there was a coffee shop that saw

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his car in Clarkston, that the house was a bit

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of a party house, and heard that the neighbors saw

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an identical year and model of car of Coburger's parked

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outside the house the night of the murders. All right,

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we're going to wrap up right there, and then the

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next episode we're going to pick up with the impact

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on the community. All of the information that goes with

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