Speaker 1: Oh redal, that's are and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan.
Speaker 2: I'm Jacob and tonight is the Cult Member live show.
Speaker 3: Baby, what it is?
Speaker 4: What a do?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 2: Tuesday night for you?
Speaker 3: Hey? Yes, indeed, and uh glad to see so many faces.
Speaker 3: Glad to see everybody made it this evening. Uh, particularly
Speaker 3: Spirit Animal, my brother in Christ. How are you feeling?
Speaker 4: I took a hydro codon, I smoked a blunt and
Speaker 4: the pain is fucking radiating.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So here I was. I was getting my kids situated,
Speaker 3: making dinner, all these things, and Sam is blowing my
Speaker 3: phone up and I'm like, what's happening here? Your boy
Speaker 3: passed a kidney stone larger than a fucking beabie. And
Speaker 3: he's like, I'm in pain, but I'm I don't know.
Speaker 3: First he reached out, I was like, bro, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm making it on the live I'm like,
Speaker 3: Spirit Animal, listen, if you can't make it, I get it, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm just take care of yourself next thing, you know.
Speaker 3: Never mind, I passed it. I'm gonna be there, but
Speaker 3: I'm in pain. I'm like, bro, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: You passed it, you send me a fucking picture, and
Speaker 3: I'm just like whoa, whoa. And it wasn't like CMI
Speaker 3: like oversharing. But it was also like saying that that
Speaker 3: wasn't a little bit dog that was that was a
Speaker 3: fucking rock.
Speaker 5: That was the smallest of the three.
Speaker 4: I'm not is that srue if that is one of
Speaker 4: the third three that we know of, because those three
Speaker 4: they said it was too big to pass, or if
Speaker 4: this was a fourth.
Speaker 5: One that we didn't catch.
Speaker 3: Sending fucking cock rocks down the pipe. It well, welcome
Speaker 3: to the fucking Tuesday Night Live called Memories. Not even
Speaker 3: nowhere else to go here, I think you get.
Speaker 2: You get a lot of that from like eating too
Speaker 2: much sugar or too much sweet shit, right, isn't that
Speaker 2: what that's from, Like kidney stones and shit like that.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't really take I don't drink monsters, I don't
Speaker 4: do the energy drinks.
Speaker 5: I will have like a glass of sweet tea.
Speaker 4: But I've been pounding, like for the past two years,
Speaker 4: I've been pounding like two gallons of orter a day.
Speaker 3: Ex Wife Number one used to get kidney stones like
Speaker 3: crazy from red bulls. So I feel like.
Speaker 4: That kenney kidney palms one through both sides of my family.
Speaker 4: My grandmother her kenney's are like my dad's mom's like
Speaker 4: her Kenny's are like functionality.
Speaker 5: And my mom's mother only has one kidney.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you just need to be drinking like a
Speaker 3: solid amount of cranberry juice every day to just give
Speaker 3: yourself that natural detox.
Speaker 4: I know, I drink about full four big bottles of
Speaker 4: cranberry juice and about two big bottles of uh mangoes
Speaker 4: a day.
Speaker 3: That's good ship. That's good ship. Anyway, Sam, I'm glad
Speaker 3: that you made it through the passing of this issue. Bro.
Speaker 3: For the love. When I saw the Spikeys come up,
Speaker 3: I was like, what the fuck happened?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Think?
Speaker 3: But no, No, it's a bong. It's a bong, everybody.
Speaker 2: I do not envy you pushing that out, And I
Speaker 2: don't think because you don't have to push them out
Speaker 2: all the time, right, like some of them get too big,
Speaker 2: Like they have to take that down.
Speaker 4: I actually need uh because of how long the Stan's
Speaker 4: been in, I'm actually gonna have to. It's probably be
Speaker 4: around four or five operations after that I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to have here soon.
Speaker 3: Thoughts and prayers are gonna be with you, Samuel and
Speaker 3: anything that's your family over here at that Colt can
Speaker 3: do for you. Please let us know we are collective.
Speaker 5: Here just sending the good vibes. And it made the blessed,
Speaker 5: the blessed guide each and every one.
Speaker 3: Of the praise be praise by praise be.
Speaker 2: So getting over to the chat here, Luke said, howdy,
Speaker 2: Uh what up? Luke Rose? Chaos said, what's up?
Speaker 3: Fam Rose?
Speaker 2: The yoke yid the uh the you in the house said, Yo,
Speaker 2: happy Tuesday. I have a few pronunciations on some Hebrew words. Oh,
Speaker 2: I always like looking forward to that. Let's go. I'm
Speaker 2: sure we butcher them all the time. Like how many
Speaker 2: years did everybody just let me say jum matria looking
Speaker 2: like a freaking idiot.
Speaker 3: I didn't know any different, honestly, So, I.
Speaker 6: Mean, further record, I had got a lot of blowback
Speaker 6: on Jacob initially when I first told you guys about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacob was trying to tell you you were wrong.
Speaker 3: I thought with us, dude, I was like, that's basically
Speaker 3: this would be the same as Kroll telling us like
Speaker 3: by the way it's pronounced you and it's like okay, dude, okay,
Speaker 3: but like he being completely serious. I thought he was
Speaker 3: like legit telling us that just to fuck with us.
Speaker 3: And he was like, no, no, it's legitimately pronounced. That
Speaker 3: was like, shut up.
Speaker 2: I mean he went by the name of hard G
Speaker 2: for a long time.
Speaker 3: That was after me and him had that talk. And
Speaker 3: he's like, no, no, legitimately, like not bullshit, and it's
Speaker 3: it's it is a hard g gum ontre. I was like,
Speaker 3: get the fuck out of here. But anyway, for sure.
Speaker 6: So anyway, So on a couple of your episodes, so
Speaker 6: one you guys were talking about like the spirit tree,
Speaker 6: So it is the Ain soph Ain like that, yeah, right,
Speaker 6: So so A I N and English and whatever is
Speaker 6: so ain soph means never ending, really is what the
Speaker 6: actual translation is. And then their eyes is pronounced a
Speaker 6: I A M. So I mean is an I A
Speaker 6: N I am our eyes? An I M are their eyes.
Speaker 6: Since it's that you can can join a bunch of
Speaker 6: words into one.
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead, and Nick, let's see you Bud.
Speaker 7: Correspondent today about like the Old Testament and like interpretations.
Speaker 3: And Nick you're cutting out like crazy. Brother, No, try
Speaker 3: it again, Try again. It's like it cuts in where
Speaker 3: it sounds crystal clear, and then it goes alien noises.
Speaker 3: Let's let's try it one more.
Speaker 6: Time, all right.
Speaker 7: The Jewish interpretation of like the Garden of Eden's story,
Speaker 7: from what I have come to understand, is not the
Speaker 7: same almost at all, and in a few key points
Speaker 7: as the way that the Christians, the idea of like
Speaker 7: original sin is not even a thing, correct, damn it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like your dragon balls through a mile long
Speaker 2: fucking sheath of glass, sir, And uh, not the not
Speaker 2: the clear kind. It's more of just the scattered, all
Speaker 2: different colored, and its charted up like crazy, and probably
Speaker 2: sounds and probably would hurt a lot, actually, And that's
Speaker 2: what it sounds like you're going through.
Speaker 3: From what we heard, you said that the Garden of
Speaker 3: Eden story in the Jewish tradition is a lot different
Speaker 3: than the Christian tradition. And we did hear you say
Speaker 3: that the concept of original sin is something that is different. Actually,
Speaker 3: if you would, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Even before we go to Royce, this is something that
Speaker 2: I recently learned too. This was actually introduced the the
Speaker 2: idea of original sin was introduced and first talked about.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken by Paul, it wasn't even Jesus.
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything Jewish at all. It was Paul sitting
Speaker 2: in his fucking prison cell right in this kind of shit, right.
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't believe. So I want to say that
Speaker 3: Jesus even talked about when humans fell from grace and
Speaker 3: that's why the sacrifices were needed. But you know what,
Speaker 3: we could look this up from the Jewish perspective, Royce,
Speaker 3: what is your take on this?
Speaker 6: So your first question is extremely broad, and I would
Speaker 6: need to have clarification on exactly what we're talking about,
Speaker 6: because I mean, it's written the way it is. Are
Speaker 6: there different interpretations, I'm sure, and what part I'm curious
Speaker 6: as to what specifically is is different. As far as
Speaker 6: the concept of original sin, that's we do have a
Speaker 6: concept or should I say non concept of that. So
Speaker 6: according to the rambamb basically we say that you can
Speaker 6: be as evil as the evilest person or as righteous
Speaker 6: as the most righteous person. The choice inherently is yours.
Speaker 6: So like every single day we have the choice to
Speaker 6: do better than the day before. It's not like arsons
Speaker 6: are necessarily compounded. I don't think it's more where we're
Speaker 6: able to start over, We're able to have repentance and
Speaker 6: then start over from there, like if I sinned yesterday
Speaker 6: and I didn't send today, those things are not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 3: Real quick. In the Torah they do talk about the
Speaker 3: story of canaan Abel. Correct. Yeah, so the first murder
Speaker 3: to ever take place.
Speaker 6: Are arguably as far as now there are. I'm sure
Speaker 6: some measurism that go into detail, go into more detailed
Speaker 6: than what's actually in the text, but yes, as far
Speaker 6: as what's in the text itself, yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, So that being said, that's what kind of okay,
Speaker 3: aside from the garden of Eden and the eating of
Speaker 3: the fruit and all that stuff, even if the tyronic
Speaker 3: version versus the biblical version is different, I think it
Speaker 3: also could be understood that one of the first sins
Speaker 3: would also be the first murder that ever took place.
Speaker 3: So perhaps there's some reference to that being the original
Speaker 3: sin as opposed to the eating of the fruit. I
Speaker 3: actually even see that being an interpretation.
Speaker 2: I just looked it up. The concept of original sin,
Speaker 2: and this is by Jewish Virtual Library. The concept of
Speaker 2: original sin, as understood in Christianity, does not exist in
Speaker 2: the Torah or Jewish teachings. Judaism believes that humans are
Speaker 2: born free of sin, with a pure soul, and that
Speaker 2: sin arises from individual choices rather than an inherited condition.
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand their thought process on that for sure.
Speaker 3: I expectfully have my own take. But I mean that's
Speaker 3: a very fact. I mean, that's to say that, like
Speaker 3: every baby is a sinner, Like no, babies are not
Speaker 3: inherently sinful creatures, right, they start making decisions on their
Speaker 3: own as they get older. That checks out well.
Speaker 6: Also, like not all sins weigh the same, so I think,
Speaker 6: I mean, and generally in Christianity, like according to whatever
Speaker 6: the verse is as the waves of sin or death,
Speaker 6: that is not that is not what the tourus says.
Speaker 6: So depending on what one's sin is will depend on
Speaker 6: what one has to do for that level of atonement.
Speaker 6: There also, for example, with Adam and Eve like so
Speaker 6: in that case it was death, in other cases it's not.
Speaker 6: In some cases it's an offering. In some cases, well,
Speaker 6: it's various types of offering, whether it's a goat, cheap bull, dove,
Speaker 6: what have you. So not all sins are equated to death.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same as to say, like, let's
Speaker 3: change the words sin for a transgression, right or a
Speaker 3: a uh, to.
Speaker 2: Miss the mark is what it means.
Speaker 3: Actually, well, let's just let's take it to a different perspective. Right,
Speaker 3: Let's say that Jonathan, like, I don't want to say
Speaker 3: the term that I sinned against you, but let's say
Speaker 3: that one day I insult you and I do wrong
Speaker 3: by you in some way, and it doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be to the to the realm of like we're challenging
Speaker 3: each other to a duel at high noon tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3: It's something that an apology could rectify. Right, this is
Speaker 3: this happens. I understand what you're saying, Royce, that not
Speaker 3: all transgressions weigh the same, But that's also a human
Speaker 3: construct in the realm of the divine. Wouldn't the argument
Speaker 3: also go towards it is either all perfect or it
Speaker 3: is not. It's a very black and white on that.
Speaker 6: No, Okay, So, first of all, even as far as sins,
Speaker 6: you have an unintentional transgression, and you have an intentional transgression. Sure,
Speaker 6: let's just say I'm I'm a religious Jew, who doesn't
Speaker 6: know all the rules of Sabbath. If I violate a
Speaker 6: rule of Sabbath, there's a much greater difference between doing
Speaker 6: it intentionally and doing it non intentionally. Also whether it's
Speaker 6: publicly or privately.
Speaker 3: Very fair, Very fair. But that's that's also where it's more.
Speaker 3: Is this the humans judging what is and is not
Speaker 3: the gravitas of the sin?
Speaker 6: Okay, So I understand what you're saying. But to the
Speaker 6: same extent, this is what, let's just say in an
Speaker 6: our in the Jewish case, this is what's actually written
Speaker 6: in the Torah. So since we believe that the Torah
Speaker 6: is divine and written and transcribed by Moses, but it
Speaker 6: really was God who was the one who authored it.
Speaker 6: And God was the ones that said, Hey, if you
Speaker 6: do this kind of sin, then this is the way
Speaker 6: you are able to expiate that sin. Then we have
Speaker 6: to trust.
Speaker 3: I get that if you're if you're sinning against the
Speaker 3: divinely inspired word, it is as if you are, it
Speaker 3: is you are sinning against the world of God from
Speaker 3: his own mouth. So I see what you're saying for.
Speaker 6: Sure, But I'm saying that goes with a tone. It
Speaker 6: two to where if God says, all right, well, if
Speaker 6: you did this kind of sin, then you need to
Speaker 6: do that. Then that's that's in that case is black
Speaker 6: and white, right, And there's there's also a verse and
Speaker 6: amos that says that made our prayers of the lips
Speaker 6: be as bullocks to you. So even though we do
Speaker 6: not have a temple and we cannot offer up any sacrifices,
Speaker 6: there is still an idea that if we pray it
Speaker 6: and we believe it, it's as if it were done,
Speaker 6: like the commandment, doesn't go away, even if we can't
Speaker 6: fulfill it.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Royce, once the temple is rebuilt,
Speaker 3: let's hypothetically say in the next five years, for the record,
Speaker 3: take away all eschatology conversation in the end time, prophecy,
Speaker 3: just just put that on the backist of back burners
Speaker 3: for two seconds. Right when the temple is rebuilt, they
Speaker 3: can at that time resume sacrifices for atonement. Correct, correct, bro?
Speaker 3: How much money is it going to cost every Jew
Speaker 3: on earth to make pilgrimages there for Passover and then
Speaker 3: to buy enough pigeons and goats and all these things
Speaker 3: to atone for all of the sins, Because at that point,
Speaker 3: it's not like you're just buying one goat, because the
Speaker 3: temple hasn't been erected in your entire life, So you
Speaker 3: personally are going to have to spend enough money on
Speaker 3: enough goats and pigeons and all the shit for thirty
Speaker 3: years to give or take of sin. Is that about right?
Speaker 6: So I'm thirty thirty eight, so yes, you were about right.
Speaker 6: But in either case, honestly, I don't know that I've
Speaker 6: actually never thought about that. What would happen.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's where the rothschild Gold is going to atone
Speaker 3: for all their Jewish brethren sins over the past few centuries, probably.
Speaker 6: But I honestly I don't know. I'm not sure if
Speaker 6: it would be that like it would start on day one,
Speaker 6: because even in order to be able to go into
Speaker 6: the temple, in order to do anything, there needs to
Speaker 6: be the red bull. Then there needs to be the
Speaker 6: ashes of them. And I still don't think that that
Speaker 6: article that we went through a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 6: was actually legitimate from my own research, there's no orthodox
Speaker 6: anything that gave their like Huscama, their approbation on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it seems like it was done by a
Speaker 3: Christian Jews or Messianic Jews, rather that we're trying to
Speaker 3: bring about the end of time. Which it's still crazy
Speaker 3: to me that they even got their hands on one
Speaker 3: of the five red heifers that we even have in existence.
Speaker 6: That blows I don't I don't think that's true. So
Speaker 6: I've also tried to do some research as far as
Speaker 6: do we actually or have we actually had a one
Speaker 6: pure red heifer, And to my research, we haven't had any.
Speaker 6: There's been some sort of disqualifying factor for whatever. But
Speaker 6: even still, they didn't even sacrifice it on the right place.
Speaker 6: They sacrificed it not on the Mount of Olives. So
Speaker 6: like even if it was done by Kallayn who was
Speaker 6: pure and all these other all these other rules and regulations,
Speaker 6: it still wasn't sacrificed on the right place. So that
Speaker 6: inherently does away with.
Speaker 2: It just out of curiosity. Is Judaism as splintered as
Speaker 2: Christianity is? For example, there are I just looked it up,
Speaker 2: there are forty five thousand different Christian denominations worldwide.
Speaker 3: How many of them?
Speaker 2: Like, how many do the Jewish religion have?
Speaker 6: Yes? No, So, first of all, there's a joke that
Speaker 6: says two Jews, three opinions, which is fairly accurate. As
Speaker 6: far as the sects, you have right now, three main sects,
Speaker 6: and then you have offshoots therein. So let's just say,
Speaker 6: if we're going to start on the left, you're going
Speaker 6: to go from the Reform movement. Moving farther to the right,
Speaker 6: you have the Conservatives, and farthest to the right you
Speaker 6: have the Orthodox Movement. In each one of those groups,
Speaker 6: you have various groups. In reform, you have reconstructionists, which
Speaker 6: don't know, don't I have no idea what the hell
Speaker 6: that means, but that's that's the thing. In conservative Judaism,
Speaker 6: you have those that keep shoppings, don't keep shopping, keep kosher,
Speaker 6: don't keep kosher, are fine with women being rabbis, people
Speaker 6: that are not filing with people being rabbis. In Orthodoxy
Speaker 6: you have Modern Orthodoxy, which is a little more lenient,
Speaker 6: and see them, which is more stringent.
Speaker 3: So out of New York, correct, I mean the city.
Speaker 6: Is I mean not just New York. I mean there's
Speaker 6: there's there's gonna see them all over the world, but
Speaker 6: there's just a lot of them in New York. I
Speaker 6: mean there's there's some in Denver, there's some in New Jerseysey.
Speaker 6: There's actually, funny enough, Lakewood, New Jersey, I believe has
Speaker 6: the largest Jewish population besides New York in the United States.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what's funny about that too? I think
Speaker 2: in New Jersey also has the most amount of Brazilians
Speaker 2: that live there too, which you would you'd be like,
Speaker 2: why New Jersey? Of all places, you'd think like Texas
Speaker 2: or a southern state or something like that, But New Jersey, I.
Speaker 3: Would think Florida right somewhere tropical. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Florida has a lot of Jews, but there are
Speaker 6: a lot of retired. If you're trying to look at
Speaker 6: an active Jewish community, it's going to be more in
Speaker 6: the Tri state area, Philadelphia, New York, New Jersey, Maryland,
Speaker 6: like Baltimore has has a large community. Ohio apparently has
Speaker 6: has a large Jewish community. But yeah, you have you
Speaker 6: have all different kinds of Jews all over the world.
Speaker 3: Where does fardis fit into what you're talking about? Or
Speaker 3: is that a whole other thing completely?
Speaker 6: So Spartak is a how do I explain that? So
Speaker 6: when the Jews were dispersed.
Speaker 3: Are all the things you're listing under the umbrella of Askanaji.
Speaker 6: So there are yeah, I mean yes and no.
Speaker 8: Right, So, like there are who are Hasidic. So someone
Speaker 8: who is relected just means pious. So you can have like,
Speaker 8: so you can have a Sarti who is Hasidic who
Speaker 8: follows Nusa, the spard or the far prayer rights. So
Speaker 8: like that's just kind of where you're where your family
Speaker 8: is from.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: So like, since my family is from Europe, so I
Speaker 6: would be considered Ashkanas, right. However, somebody who is let's
Speaker 6: just say from the other country Spain, Portugal, those kind
Speaker 6: of Jews are Sfari and there are just different traditions
Speaker 6: therein so you can still have someone who is Orthodox
Speaker 6: who haves to be Sparty. That that's just like where
Speaker 6: your family's from. That doesn't delay one's religiosity, Okay.
Speaker 3: So and kind of to your point, Jonathan, Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: like forty five thousand denominations of Christianity, but if you
Speaker 3: look at them, there's like two hundred different types of Baptists, right,
Speaker 3: There's like twelve different types of Catholic and then there's
Speaker 3: offshoots of each one of those. Because keep this in mind, Methodist, Anglican, Episcopal,
Speaker 3: all of these different types consider themsel or Eastern Orthodox,
Speaker 3: Russian Orthodox, all of them consider themselves Catholic. Now if
Speaker 3: you ask them to their face, they'll say, no, they're not.
Speaker 3: But they're not Roman Catholic, they're this other type of
Speaker 3: Catholic and all these things. But even still within the
Speaker 3: realm of Christendom, you got two main ones, right, that's
Speaker 3: Catholicism and Protestantism. After that you get into all of
Speaker 3: these crazy offshoots and stuff. But I mean it would
Speaker 3: make sense, would stand a reason that Judaism would have
Speaker 3: something similar. I mean, Islam they have their own denominations
Speaker 3: and sex. We know of the big three, but there
Speaker 3: are others within, like for instance, you know of Site
Speaker 3: Sunny Kurds. Right. We've heard these three multiple multiple times
Speaker 3: within alawad Is in that conversation, Drew's are in that conversation,
Speaker 3: and there's all shoots within within the all shoots too.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, any of your big religions are going to
Speaker 3: have that.
Speaker 2: Just going off of kind of what Nick was talking
Speaker 2: about as far as the whole Garden of Eden kind
Speaker 2: of beginning of the story, right, And I feel like
Speaker 2: that's kind of strange. I didn't know that there were
Speaker 2: two different kind of stories. Maybe not entirely, Maybe there's
Speaker 2: just a couple of things. I haven't gone and looked
Speaker 2: at the Jewish version yet, but or the Torah version.
Speaker 2: But it is interesting because the Christian Bible gets a
Speaker 2: lot of it's Old Testament stuff from or all of
Speaker 2: it supposedly from the Jews, right, like they were the
Speaker 2: Jews are the original Christians, or at least a portion
Speaker 2: of them are the original Christians, right, So why would
Speaker 2: there be an entirely different story. The Torah was allegedly
Speaker 2: written around anywhere between four p fifty and three point
Speaker 2: fifty BC. The Bible wasn't necessarily even put together until
Speaker 2: the year three hundreds somewhere in there. You're talking about
Speaker 2: six or seven hundred years of difference, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden there's a new beginning.
Speaker 3: The stories aren't completely like completely different overarching themes to it.
Speaker 2: But what is the idea of the original sin come from?
Speaker 2: Like we just created original sin seven hundred years later?
Speaker 3: I mean the term original sin. Maybe that was more
Speaker 3: of a Christian thing. But correct me if I'm wrong. Royce,
Speaker 3: even in the Torah eve eating of the tree of
Speaker 3: the knowledge of good and evil is what got kicked them,
Speaker 3: got them kicked out of the garden of eating. Correct.
Speaker 6: I do agree with that statement.
Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying. Maybe the Jewish tradition
Speaker 3: doesn't put as much weight behind that as the Christian
Speaker 3: tradition does, but it's telling the same story. I could
Speaker 3: see that also being a thing.
Speaker 6: There's also the Jews. So Jews, as you know, we
Speaker 6: already we have the oral Torah to go along with it.
Speaker 6: So there's things that are written or that are not
Speaker 6: written in the text that we have a tradition for.
Speaker 6: So for example, there's a there's a book that I
Speaker 6: was trying to show uh Jacob earlier on in the
Speaker 6: week where it talks about the tech commandments and all
Speaker 6: the miraculous things that happened with that. Right, So it's
Speaker 6: not so you have people that look at that, Okay,
Speaker 6: well it's just algae, and the algae caused this, this caused this,
Speaker 6: cause this caused this. Yeah, right, right, So we have
Speaker 6: a tradition that that spans back to that point in
Speaker 6: time and said, well, I hear you, but this is
Speaker 6: what we have. What was passed down from us. So,
Speaker 6: for example, the the the plagues of frogs initially, so
Speaker 6: we have traditions. So the Hebrew word for the frog
Speaker 6: was the singular, not plural. The plural came afterwards. So
Speaker 6: we have a tradition that there was one giant frog
Speaker 6: that came out of the nile and then as soon
Speaker 6: as the Egyptians started beating it, it multiplied. That's not
Speaker 6: in the text. That's something that we have a tradition for.
Speaker 6: So just because somebody doesn't have a tradition for it,
Speaker 6: they you know, can't understand exactly what everything is because
Speaker 6: you guys have half the book.
Speaker 3: I will say that all the oral Torah completely loss
Speaker 3: on Christianity. Most Christians don't even know that that's a
Speaker 3: true statement, that there's an oral and a written Torah.
Speaker 6: So well you can you can't have one without the
Speaker 6: other likes basically like all the Torah is, as far
Speaker 6: as all the commandments are, like the headlines. In order
Speaker 6: to understand how you do it, you buy the necessity
Speaker 6: you need it. I mean, when it comes to everything
Speaker 6: from wearing the fill in to wearing the strings, to
Speaker 6: doing anything you by necessity need need a tradition for
Speaker 6: it because it's not written.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean I'm I'm also one of those
Speaker 3: types of Christians. There are some that are literalists that
Speaker 3: believe every single word to the letter literally. There's no
Speaker 3: kind of room for metaphor and interpretation on any portion
Speaker 3: of the book whatsoever. And I don't mean just the tour,
Speaker 3: I mean the entire Bible. I am personally of the
Speaker 3: belief that the Torah, the first five books, there are
Speaker 3: some things that, yes, exactly happened as they were written.
Speaker 3: And some of those things I think are written down
Speaker 3: to kind of tell a story and to teach the lesson.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that they're myth or legend. I'm
Speaker 3: saying that it's like they gave you the keynote facts
Speaker 3: because that was what was important to take from it.
Speaker 3: And like, for instance, God making it all in seven days,
Speaker 3: did it mean seven twenty four hour earth days. I
Speaker 3: personally think that, yes, that's possible. I don't believe that
Speaker 3: that's the case. I think time works differently when you're God,
Speaker 3: So I think that when they put that down, it
Speaker 3: was just for humans to understand the concept of it
Speaker 3: more than the actual time Stamp and I think there's
Speaker 3: some some levels in some wiggle room when it comes
Speaker 3: to these things in the earlier books personally, but I
Speaker 3: know that I'm also in the minority on that, dude.
Speaker 2: What's interesting is is that, and I know you don't
Speaker 2: believe this, but allegedly most Christians believe that the Earth
Speaker 2: was like created six thousand years ago or somewhere thereabouts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's interesting New Earth creationalists They're fucking crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: But what's extra interesting on top of that is that
Speaker 2: the Torah. Well, people that you know, you're like your boy,
Speaker 2: the yoke yid and I don't know if you even
Speaker 2: believe this, but allegedly most people that are Jewish, they
Speaker 2: say that the Torah was written by Moses around the
Speaker 2: fifteenth century BC. Yeah, so how did that disconnect happen?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you talking only the history's time frame?
Speaker 3: And I've even heard there's this guy, a Rabbi Sanger, right,
Speaker 3: who is a very prolific Jewish scholar, a mad respect
Speaker 3: for the gentleman. Before I say what I'm about to say,
Speaker 3: please to Rabbi Singer, if you're out there listening, nothing
Speaker 3: but respect for you would love to have a conversation
Speaker 3: with you one day. Right. All that being said, I've
Speaker 3: even heard him say that he believes that the Earth
Speaker 3: is somewhere around sixty four hundred BC is when it
Speaker 3: was formed. And I don't inherently have an issue with
Speaker 3: somebody believing that as far as written history may go
Speaker 3: back that far. But we have so many sites, archaeological
Speaker 3: dig sites that show that. Right now, in Texas, they
Speaker 3: are doing a dig showing that there was human civilization
Speaker 3: in Texas at fifteen thousand BC. There's a spot in
Speaker 3: Miami that's showing eleven thousand BC. There's a piece of
Speaker 3: chert found in North Carolina that came from a mountain
Speaker 3: range in Europe. Three thousand Earth. I'm sorry, thirty thousand
Speaker 3: years ago. Dogger Land was inhabited in twelve thousand BC. Younger,
Speaker 3: dryest kind of conversation, Like, if we're talking about our
Speaker 3: understanding of written recorded history goes back to sixty four
Speaker 3: hundred BC, Okay, we could have that conversation. But to
Speaker 3: say that human existence and therefore the Earth is somehow
Speaker 3: less than ten thousand years old, is preposterous to me.
Speaker 2: It's illogical, is really what it is.
Speaker 6: So here's what I've heard a couple of things. So
Speaker 6: when in the tour where it says the worth the
Speaker 6: earth was void and without form, there are traditions that
Speaker 6: say that that humans are not as we know them,
Speaker 6: are not God's first iteration, that there were other societies
Speaker 6: of their cultures, there were other creations before us that
Speaker 6: from the creation of Adam was five seven hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty five years ago, not not that. So the earth
Speaker 6: was clearly around before humanity. That's first and foremost.
Speaker 3: The other people are the Day six humans.
Speaker 6: So I'm not so let's go before that. So when
Speaker 6: it says that the world was was formless and void,
Speaker 6: so that was like chaos, and there were things that
Speaker 6: ensued before before call it day one. So no, I
Speaker 6: wouldn't call them Day six ers. I would call them
Speaker 6: precursors to that. Second of all, there are things that
Speaker 6: are matter of faith. Third of all, if we believe
Speaker 6: that God can do anything, so right, So if God
Speaker 6: is a creator, and let's just say autumn, he created
Speaker 6: a fully grown chicken. And if you have a scientist
Speaker 6: that takes a look at that chicken and says, this
Speaker 6: chicken is six months, three days, four hours old, and
Speaker 6: you just saw God create it from nothing, so true
Speaker 6: things can happen at the same time. So you have
Speaker 6: science that could say this is how old something is
Speaker 6: given the information we have or the others is also true?
Speaker 6: Who also believe that God is actively creating the world
Speaker 6: from nothingness? So before creation there was nothing, so we
Speaker 6: got created something from nothing with something that we cannot
Speaker 6: do mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Create something from nothing, right. Yeah, I've battled that ideology
Speaker 2: for such a long time just in my own mind,
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how is that possible? And and
Speaker 2: I I think that what's going on there, and I
Speaker 2: actually do believe that like everything is or was created
Speaker 2: out of the void, like one hundred percent. And if
Speaker 2: you look back and whether you believe in the Big
Speaker 2: Bang or not, they say that the Big Bang literally
Speaker 2: created time. You know what I'm saying, Like time didn't
Speaker 2: exist before the Big Bang, right, basically there was no
Speaker 2: such thing as linear shit at all, right, and and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden time was created, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: material physical reality was created from that and everything And
Speaker 2: and I actually am I used to think that it
Speaker 2: was almost asinine just to think that like the chicken
Speaker 2: could possibly come before the egg.
Speaker 3: But I'm I'm starting to get on there, dude, it
Speaker 3: physically had to. Brother, There's there's no I mean.
Speaker 2: Even you can't even say physically had to because.
Speaker 3: The apple or the apple tree one had to have
Speaker 3: come first. Well not necessarily. The apple tree was created
Speaker 3: from the seeds within the apple, but the apple seeds
Speaker 3: itself couldn't have manifested and formed without a tree to
Speaker 3: sprout them.
Speaker 2: It's what I'm saying is it's like a find paradox
Speaker 2: is really what it is if you look at all
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: And that's my biggest deal with the scientific community. And
Speaker 3: you know that I am a fan of scientific explanations
Speaker 3: for a lot of things, right, And I actually just
Speaker 3: heard Rogan talk about this. It was like a quick
Speaker 3: clip from him, and it was like to say that
Speaker 3: everything came from nothing, right like the Big Bang. On
Speaker 3: the scientific and evolutionary conversation of this, you could accept
Speaker 3: all of it if you give them the grace for
Speaker 3: one miracle, the Big Bang happening to Adams sparking off
Speaker 3: of each other to boom and create everything else is
Speaker 3: miraculous in and of itself. Right. Take away to the
Speaker 3: divine and the spirituality and all that the term for
Speaker 3: just miraculous, some unexplained thing happening with no backing whatsoever. Right, yes,
Speaker 3: statistically exactly, And then he broke it down. He was like,
Speaker 3: so statistically for that to have taken place, big Bang
Speaker 3: happens time existence, the Sun, the stars, the planets, covalesce
Speaker 3: over billions of years and create themselves. Life spawns from
Speaker 3: the water, It goes to the single form, you know, cells,
Speaker 3: and then goes into these forms, these forms, and we
Speaker 3: got amphibians over billions and billions of years they become mammals,
Speaker 3: and all this the amount of statistic improbability for that
Speaker 3: to have taken place, And these dudes are willing to
Speaker 3: hang their hat on there. Never mind the fact that
Speaker 3: a dude named Jesus actually physically walked the Earth and died.
Speaker 3: They can argue if he was the Son of God
Speaker 3: or not all day, but they're willing to like really
Speaker 3: argue if that du was real. But they're willing to
Speaker 3: also say that the Big Bang and all this legitimately
Speaker 3: miraculous shit happened because it just had to. And it's
Speaker 3: mind blowing. And I was like, Rogan's kind of on
Speaker 3: one there He's not even saying he's pro Christian or anything.
Speaker 3: But it's like the hoops that you have to jump through,
Speaker 3: the actual hurdles you have to jump through for the
Speaker 3: Darwinian explanation of things to actually be true statistically, that's
Speaker 3: it's impossible. Yeah, it's not crazy.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, I just want to pause it. Something. So
Speaker 6: if in the case of what you believed that God
Speaker 6: created nothing from something, there might have been a spark,
Speaker 6: a big quote unquote bang that was that came from God.
Speaker 6: That I mean that that was the daisy creation were
Speaker 6: as they were written in the Torah, you know, for
Speaker 6: my sake. But I think you can have that, you
Speaker 6: have a big bang where it just came into existence.
Speaker 6: But it's just who created that big bang? Was it
Speaker 6: just happened since or was it divinely.
Speaker 5: Happened.
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at with it. I am a believer
Speaker 3: of the Big Bang, not not as we've seen it
Speaker 3: in textbooks. Okay, I'm just gonna throw that out. I
Speaker 3: think that they probably got it semi close. But something
Speaker 3: can't come from nothing that defies all laws of our
Speaker 3: physical universe. However, God could have spoken things into existence,
Speaker 3: and what would God's voice sound like coming from the
Speaker 3: void put potentially a big fucking explosion that sparked the
Speaker 3: life and everything else and set the first domino flick
Speaker 3: into motion, that set the chain of events off. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I could see that too for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard to wrap your mind around. I
Speaker 2: would actually posit now, Well, you don't believe in past
Speaker 2: lives or anything like that, but I think that it
Speaker 2: wouldn't even be necessarily that crazy that every single time
Speaker 2: you're like you reincarnate, there's a new big bang every time.
Speaker 3: I mean technically speaking, every time a sperm meets an egg,
Speaker 3: is there not a small bang a spark of life
Speaker 3: if you will. Yeah, I would just say that.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, the the moment before the
Speaker 2: big bang or whatever sparked creation, you know, because it's
Speaker 2: said that, you know, God spoke it into existence, which
Speaker 2: I actually think that that actually checks out. I'm not
Speaker 2: even saying on a religious term. I'm just saying, like, manifestingly,
Speaker 2: you know, you're supposed to say it, right, and but
Speaker 2: I think that it probably He probably thought about it
Speaker 2: for a little while, you know what I'm saying, or
Speaker 2: he it, whatever the fuck it is. You know, just
Speaker 2: there's probably a fair amount of thought because you look
Speaker 2: into it, like you look just at nature, and like everything.
Speaker 3: Is so perfect, you know what.
Speaker 2: I'm well, not every Well, it's perfect in ways that
Speaker 2: we could never recreate, you know, as humans.
Speaker 3: I believe the nature is perfect right for what it is.
Speaker 3: It may not be perfect for me to live in
Speaker 3: the desert with my current situation, right, but it is
Speaker 3: perfect for the creatures that inhabit that biome. Right. I'm
Speaker 3: with you one hundred percent. And I mean, who's to
Speaker 3: say that that's just like you just said, Bro, we
Speaker 3: couldn't have created that. A human mind is not profound
Speaker 3: enough or insightful enough. At least the humans that we
Speaker 3: have met and talked to are not profound enough to
Speaker 3: create these things, just to create a being with a
Speaker 3: working nervous system, with a working digestion system, with all
Speaker 3: the other bits and pieces that make our bodies function. Bro,
Speaker 3: we ain't that clever, like real talk? We are not?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, there are absolutely limitations to the human
Speaker 2: one percent. Now I take it a step farther and
Speaker 2: I say that, well, you know, these these meat suits
Speaker 2: are not actually what we are. They're just temporary manifestations. Right,
Speaker 2: So I'm not even gonna say that. Whenever I say we,
Speaker 2: I don't even necessarily mean humans, bro, Like I'm talking
Speaker 2: about just you know, the spirit, the soul, whatever you
Speaker 2: whatever you think that we are before we existed and
Speaker 2: after we die and all that kind of stuff. Like,
Speaker 2: I think that we actually had some involvement in the
Speaker 2: creation in that sense. And I know that sounds kind
Speaker 2: of crazy, but if we all spawned from one big thing,
Speaker 2: it would make sense that we had some kind of
Speaker 2: involvement in on that. But anyway, I know that's more
Speaker 2: of a meta conversation spirit animal. Go ahead, sir, You've
Speaker 2: had your hand raised to look like you were about
Speaker 2: to convulse. There, Sarah, So what are your.
Speaker 5: Thoughts old on phone? Acting stupid? Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So about the Big Bang, I think, well, if
Speaker 4: everybody says, oh, it's just these two, are these pashings
Speaker 4: from nothing into everything's being made? Funny enough to the guy
Speaker 4: who proposed the Big Bang was a Catholic priest.
Speaker 5: I believe that.
Speaker 3: God is God.
Speaker 4: God, it is what created it, and the Big Bang
Speaker 4: supports that. Even though no people don't want to say,
Speaker 4: oh God, there's nothing, But how does something for that
Speaker 4: smaller than the head of a pin in massing is
Speaker 4: something that's never quote unquote never ending, forever, always expanding.
Speaker 4: Life kid, space is never ending, right, but you can
Speaker 4: send it to a single pinpoint. I think that God,
Speaker 4: he God is one who created everything, but I think
Speaker 4: that we will never really know because everything works on
Speaker 4: the cycles, and I don't I think this is not
Speaker 4: God's first creation. I think this is one of many,
Speaker 4: and I think that we will never be able to
Speaker 4: understand it because it's our mind is notable.
Speaker 3: I agree with that one hundred percent. How do you
Speaker 3: explain calculus to a five year old? They there's no
Speaker 3: way of doing it. Their brains cannot comprehend the theories
Speaker 3: that you're trying to give them. I'm with you one
Speaker 3: hundred percent.
Speaker 5: I'm Asian, and I can't tell you what the fuck
Speaker 5: cacklust is.
Speaker 2: Fair point, Yeah, but you're an American Asian.
Speaker 3: You're not even like the smart kind you know.
Speaker 4: Now, to be fair, you throwing money to drugs, I
Speaker 4: can do that.
Speaker 5: I can convert that shit and whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Dude, that due to the drug game for teaching everybody's
Speaker 3: standard to metric conversions since fucking ninety eight, you.
Speaker 5: Have nine minimated.
Speaker 4: We obviously we use maxis just in long positions, haven't.
Speaker 2: We always said that Sam is like Ricky from Trailer
Speaker 2: Park Boys, and he just made the same exact statement
Speaker 2: that Ricky from Trailer Park Boys says, is that like
Speaker 2: it's terrible at math, but like you break something, break
Speaker 2: something down into grahams and ounces and pounds. He can
Speaker 2: do it off the top of his mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah what Okay? I just finished season one of Boys. O.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's a classic Julian Dick.
Speaker 5: I don't really like Julian Yeah as.
Speaker 3: A motivator, okay. And let's be real here, if it
Speaker 3: wasn't for him, Ricky would be fucked dead. And if
Speaker 3: it wasn't for Bubbles, they would have no comic relief.
Speaker 2: Bubbles is the smartest all row what Bubbles is the
Speaker 2: smartest one out of all of them?
Speaker 3: Really, I think he's got the most figured out, but
Speaker 3: he's also got the most ship wrong with him to
Speaker 3: where he keeps getting in his own way. If it
Speaker 3: wasn't for those fucking kiddies and that all the food
Speaker 3: for that, taking all of his money, he'd probably run
Speaker 3: Canada by now.
Speaker 4: I have a I just feel bad that that boy
Speaker 4: gass some thick assole. Bro.
Speaker 3: I feel bad for the actor because he doesn't actually
Speaker 3: need glasses, so.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, you know that his vision up.
Speaker 3: Bro, and so like in especially in the first few
Speaker 3: seasons of it, so the whole local roots kind of thing,
Speaker 3: he really just put on these ridiculous coke bottle glasses
Speaker 3: and he can't see shit. So he's squinting and he
Speaker 3: has to like look big for the camera and he's
Speaker 3: doing that because he just kind of he's kind of
Speaker 3: doing that just to try to see shit. He and
Speaker 3: he stopped doing that so much in the later seasons though.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, dude, at this point he probably needs LA
Speaker 3: six just to unfunck what he did to his own
Speaker 3: eyes for the bit. Dude.
Speaker 2: They have a podcast I would love, dude, and they
Speaker 2: don't even give a fuck if it's conspiracy related, just
Speaker 2: to talk to the trailer park Boys would be so sick.
Speaker 3: They do have a podcast, but it's, uh, it's not
Speaker 3: them as trailer park boys. It's the actors kind of
Speaker 3: talking as themselves. But it's so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I will say I prefer Letter Kenny over Trailer
Speaker 4: Park Boys because if I want to see some fucking
Speaker 4: dumb shit in a trailer park. I'll just go back that,
Speaker 4: I'll go back to the meadow and I'll I'll see
Speaker 4: that ship on daily.
Speaker 3: I prefer Letter Kenny over trailer park boys as well.
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna go for the entirety of Canadian comedy,
Speaker 3: you gotta look at them both. Also, what is that
Speaker 3: you keep holding, Sam?
Speaker 5: What the axe or the blunt?
Speaker 3: The axe? What is this?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: My god? Oh she's a beaute.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually I wonder my me and my cousin will
Speaker 4: take the cards and I want her okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Also, I'm getting my crusader helmet fixed. I got drunk,
Speaker 4: and me and my cousin he has a helmet. I
Speaker 4: had a helmet.
Speaker 5: We bashed it and actually split the helmet.
Speaker 2: Oh, dude, just at this point, Sam, just come on
Speaker 2: and and you know, team up with Jacob with the
Speaker 2: Louisian Animals or whatever you guys call yourselves, with the
Speaker 2: with the uh medieval fighting ship. At that point, why
Speaker 2: not you look like you got that.
Speaker 4: Dog in compared to those beasts of them.
Speaker 5: And have you seen Jacob the dudes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Jacob's the biggest guy in his group.
Speaker 3: There's a team in uh Atlanta actually might be closer
Speaker 3: to you. I fought with them at Dragon Con a
Speaker 3: couple of years back. Solid guys. I think they were
Speaker 3: called the Harvesters at that time.
Speaker 5: Cotton and fucking peanuts.
Speaker 3: Soul Harvesters was the intent, but that that too. Fuck yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: just go merk r oh, he can go merk for sure.
Speaker 4: Is there a way that can I do something like dwarf?
Speaker 4: If I get on the can I have it dwarven inspired?
Speaker 4: Since I'm short fucker?
Speaker 3: Okay, so side tangent to my favorite sport boohert. No,
Speaker 3: you cannot have dwarfing or for that matter, fantasy inspired armor.
Speaker 3: It has to be historically based and it all has
Speaker 3: to be from the same country in the same century. Like,
Speaker 3: for instance, you can't have a Eastern helmet like in Russia. Right,
Speaker 3: you can't have an Eastern inspired helmet with Spanish inspired
Speaker 3: arms with a Celtic inspired shield like, that's not gonna fly.
Speaker 3: So my kit is twelfth to thirteenth century British based.
Speaker 4: I was thinking more like Korean base, but instead of
Speaker 4: it actually tall, I could be since I'm sure I
Speaker 4: can make it more stock.
Speaker 2: What's that Asian one that I really fucked with? What's
Speaker 2: that one called?
Speaker 3: Uh, you're talking about the Mongol kit?
Speaker 2: Dude, that is the sickest kit out of all of them.
Speaker 3: I respectfully will say in my opinion that the Samurai
Speaker 3: Kid is the most legit as fuck. However, a really
Speaker 3: expensive really.
Speaker 4: Just for the just for the torso the app sing is.
Speaker 4: I looked at the fucking I was gonna buy a suit.
Speaker 4: It was about thirty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: So I will say this because the traditional Samurai armor
Speaker 3: there wasn't that much metal being used for boo hurt.
Speaker 3: Everything has to be steel. So yeah, like a decent
Speaker 3: kit will run you. I think my first kid I
Speaker 3: was able to put together for like thirty five hundred bucks,
Speaker 3: and that was steel deal after steel deal that I
Speaker 3: got right now, especially with the way that shipping costs,
Speaker 3: you're looking at spinning about five six maybe seven k
Speaker 3: for I mean this helmet, That helmet alone cost me
Speaker 3: twelve hundred, like real shit, and that's all stainless. The
Speaker 3: chess plate behind its titanium. I got that for a steal.
Speaker 3: But your boy that I got it from bought it
Speaker 3: for like eighteen hundred. Uh a full samurai kit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're looking at spending ten k like right off the rip.
Speaker 4: Right, actually have a katana in the house, Like an
Speaker 4: actual katana that my my grandfather's older brother, Dewey, the
Speaker 4: one that fought Nom and everything.
Speaker 5: Uh he actually because before no, he was in.
Speaker 3: He was in.
Speaker 4: He fought in Uh World War two Korea and Nom
Speaker 4: he took he took the ka off of off of
Speaker 4: a dead jat.
Speaker 3: That's fucking dope. But I'm glad you brought off weapons.
Speaker 3: Your weapons have to match your kit. So like me
Speaker 3: with my kid, I can never grab a katar, I
Speaker 3: can never grab any It has to be swords or
Speaker 3: axes that are based primarily around the time frame that
Speaker 3: your armor and kit was used. Now the samurai kits,
Speaker 3: they're using katanas, but keep in mind everything has to
Speaker 3: be dull, so it's not like you're using a traditional
Speaker 3: katana from back in the day. You're making a rounded,
Speaker 3: dull katana specifically for the fighting.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, So the one that I have, Uh, the blade,
Speaker 5: I feel bad.
Speaker 4: I should take better care of it, but it's rusted,
Speaker 4: but it was rusted when I got it.
Speaker 5: I'm scared to even like put it. It's up on
Speaker 5: a mantle piece right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fixed with some electrolysists. There's there's experts that
Speaker 3: could do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I want if I do that, I want
Speaker 4: to soften it. But I'm afraid with the red stone
Speaker 4: and everything. I'm afraid if I do it, I'll cut
Speaker 4: myself and then my soa being bued.
Speaker 5: In that bitch. I don't need to No, I don't
Speaker 5: need the bad juju.
Speaker 3: Careful, Sam, do it. Luke.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you've been having your hand up there for a
Speaker 2: minute there, guy.
Speaker 3: Uh, what are my thoughts?
Speaker 10: Sir? A, You're good. I was just gonna let I know.
Speaker 10: So I'm modeled and formulated the quote unquote big bang
Speaker 10: and we can go over that in the next episode
Speaker 10: if you'll want.
Speaker 3: Hell Yeah, yeah, send it dude, I'm fucking down. We
Speaker 3: need to schedule that soon.
Speaker 4: We do.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get back over to the chat over here,
Speaker 3: because we're starting to stick up.
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Speaker 2: The line Bears fans I hate football? Is that I
Speaker 2: hate football?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It's unfortunate y'all got that ass. You should have won
Speaker 2: that game. I'm sorry, who is this, Mikayla? Who's the
Speaker 2: Bears fan? Yeah? You should have won that game last night?
Speaker 5: And yeah it was heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I actually stopped watching it because I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the Bears got this in the bag. You know they
Speaker 2: the Vikings ain't doing anything. JJ McCarthy's checking everything down.
Speaker 2: And then I went back and checked the score later
Speaker 2: and I was like, how did this happen? That's just crazy. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I will say that my Steelers are looking primed for
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl run. Aaron Rodgers is looking like Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers of old. DK Metcalf is probably the best receiver
Speaker 2: in the league. Our defense it looked like shit, but
Speaker 2: we're working on it. But we did beat the Jets, which,
Speaker 2: to be honest, I thought that beating the Jets would
Speaker 2: have come a little easier. But they look really good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, football's back. I'm stoked. I'm whole again, at
Speaker 2: least for the next you know, four months.
Speaker 3: It's been five years of me and you doing this
Speaker 3: show together, and for five years I have heard you
Speaker 3: say that they are primed for a Super Bowl run.
Speaker 2: This is the year, this is the let me tell
Speaker 2: you why before all right.
Speaker 3: So, uh, they had Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 2: The last two or three years of Ben Roethlisberger, he
Speaker 2: was old, he was washed, he needed to retire away
Speaker 2: before that. And then we brought in Mitch Trubisky, which
Speaker 2: go figure. He was an old Bears quarterback, so of
Speaker 2: course he sucked. And then we brought and then we
Speaker 2: and then we drafted Kenny Pickett, which probably the worst
Speaker 2: draft choice ever created. Why the draft him because he
Speaker 2: The whole thing about drafting Kenny Pickett was because he
Speaker 2: came from the University of pitt and we already have
Speaker 2: a lot of uh Pittsburgh fans believe that we missed
Speaker 2: out by not drafting Dan Marino. Dan Marino went to
Speaker 2: the University of pitt and they were like, well, we
Speaker 2: can't miss out on that one. They thought that he
Speaker 2: was the next coming to fucking Dann Marina, which still
Speaker 2: blows my mind.
Speaker 3: The university, Yeah he was, he was. But the point
Speaker 3: is the University of pitt do they like produce good
Speaker 3: players because I can't name like any.
Speaker 2: Larry Fitzgerald came from there, Lashawn McCoy.
Speaker 3: Ty Law. I think Tylaw came from there.
Speaker 2: If not ty Law, definitely he he actually went to
Speaker 2: the same high school that my dad went to in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of good players that came
Speaker 2: out of pit So not even trying to hate on them.
Speaker 2: They're just in the A SEC. It's not the SEC,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, we went through all of that. Last year.
Speaker 3: We we brought in Justin Fields, which another Bears quarterback,
Speaker 3: and did with the fucking Bears for other reasons.
Speaker 2: We just like pick up their ship and we think
Speaker 2: that we can turn it into gold. But the thing
Speaker 2: is is that it's the stink is too deep. It's
Speaker 2: too deep. They stayed in Chicago for too long. I'm sorry, Mikayla,
Speaker 2: I love you, but whenever it comes to football, I
Speaker 2: gotta talk that shit.
Speaker 3: I get it, turning chicken shit in the chicken sal
Speaker 3: The Saints have been trying to do that for years,
Speaker 3: and I'm sorry. I just prefer my professional football back
Speaker 3: in the day, when guys are getting paid to knock
Speaker 3: the shit out of each other and injured players. It
Speaker 3: seems like it was a better sport back then. That's
Speaker 3: all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, it sounds like you would be a good Steelers fan,
Speaker 2: because that's what the fuck were about.
Speaker 3: Baby. We literally we got caught.
Speaker 2: We won that game this past weekend because of a
Speaker 2: massive hit. So just want to throw that out there.
Speaker 3: Somebody got ejected from the game because they can't hit
Speaker 3: each other anymore. It's insane. It was a legal hit.
Speaker 2: H Jayalen Ramsey.
Speaker 3: We brought him in.
Speaker 2: I used to hate him because he talked a lot
Speaker 2: of shit. Now I love him because he talked a
Speaker 2: lot of shit on behalf of the Steelers. God is
Speaker 2: love your thoughts there, sir.
Speaker 11: Jacob elieves he got the fact that the Saints were
Speaker 11: the last ones to get in trouble for head hunting.
Speaker 3: Weren't they, That's all I'm saying, dude. Now, I'm not
Speaker 3: proud of the fact that they got caught, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like they could have been a little slicker
Speaker 3: about it. But also it's gonna go down in history
Speaker 3: that at least the Saints are the last team that
Speaker 3: were confirmed playing a man's sport when it was still
Speaker 3: a lawless wasteland. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I hate the Saints for that. They ruined Brett bahrk you.
Speaker 3: You know, damn good you just said the Steelers were
Speaker 3: known for that. Now all of a sudden you hate
Speaker 3: them for that.
Speaker 2: No, there's a difference between wanting to end somebody's life
Speaker 2: because you genuinely just love running people over, and then
Speaker 2: there's the difference of what the Saints were doing, which
Speaker 2: is they were purposely trying to injure somebody. You don't
Speaker 2: go into a game doing that. You go into a game, yeah,
Speaker 2: you want to deliver absolute like mac truck mentality all day,
Speaker 2: but you don't like intentionally injure somebody. They were fucking
Speaker 2: doing it wrong. Every team did.
Speaker 3: We just got caught, Like, let's not negate that fact,
Speaker 3: like every team had their fucking brute that they would
Speaker 3: send out there to injure players and hopefully in their career,
Speaker 3: and like they got paid extra for that. And listen,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I support that, Okay, And I'm here's
Speaker 3: the deal. These dudes are getting paid millions of dollars
Speaker 3: to play this game. They know that CTE is a
Speaker 3: real risk that they run when they play this game.
Speaker 3: Now should I do? I feel like we should protect
Speaker 3: these players in some way and try to prevent brain injuries.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, I don't want to see people
Speaker 3: lose their life for a fucking game. All I'm saying
Speaker 3: is that it was a more entertaining game when head
Speaker 3: hunting was going on. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think that there's so much worried
Speaker 2: about the CTE because that's that's a long term investment
Speaker 2: that the league is not invested in. They're more worried
Speaker 2: about like the short term stuff. So like the illegal hits,
Speaker 2: because if you take your star quarterback and there is
Speaker 2: a dirty hit done done to them, and you know,
Speaker 2: a late hit or whatever. Tom Brady was always Tom
Speaker 2: Brady was like the Lebron James of the of the NFL.
Speaker 2: Just you touch them and there's a flag right up
Speaker 2: and and and unfortunately, like not all quarterbacks were granted that,
Speaker 2: but it was more of a tom Brady thing. But
Speaker 2: they started really implementing that whenever Tom Brady was you know,
Speaker 2: winning championships and he was selling tickets and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And so I believe that they started pussifying the quarterback
Speaker 2: position specifically because the owners of the NFL were trying
Speaker 2: to protect their investment.
Speaker 3: And speaking of can we talk for a second about, well,
Speaker 3: who just played the Packers?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Uh, the Vikings. No, not the Vikings. The Vikings beat
Speaker 2: the Bears.
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting who the team was.
Speaker 2: Lions. Yeah, it was an NFC nor thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw something, And you know, I don't really
Speaker 3: watch much pro football. I have nothing for the sport
Speaker 3: these days. But as I was flipping through and I
Speaker 3: saw a glimpse of something. I need a little clarification
Speaker 3: on this, all right, there was a Packers I guess
Speaker 3: he was a wide receiver maybe, and it looked as
Speaker 3: if he was wearing a fake helmet. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: so big. Then they showed another close up and I'm
Speaker 3: looking at the dudes next year and they're wearing normal helmets. Yah,
Speaker 3: they're newer, Like they had that like hexagon in the
Speaker 3: mill and that's dope. Whatever. This dude was wearing like
Speaker 3: a full pussy pad covering over his helmet for like
Speaker 3: extra padding on the outside of his fucking helmet. What
Speaker 3: is this is there's a brain injury that he's still
Speaker 3: nursing back to health or something.
Speaker 2: No ill, not a lot of players, but there are
Speaker 2: some players. The league started to allow that, Like I
Speaker 2: think last year they started to allow it because of
Speaker 2: all the brain injuries and all the concussions and everything.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to reduce the concussion rate by a certain percentage.
Speaker 2: It does look ridiculous, but it does protect, you know,
Speaker 2: a little bit from getting concussed.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: There are like if you've been watching, I know you
Speaker 2: haven't been watching, but over the past couple of years
Speaker 2: there have been crazy concussions. Like the main one is
Speaker 2: too attack of iola out of for the Dolphins and
Speaker 2: to a tech of viola to attack of viola hit.
Speaker 2: I think he's a Whian or some shit.
Speaker 3: I say he's gotta be smoeing. That's an islander name
Speaker 3: if I've ever heard one.
Speaker 5: He played for Bama.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he he actually took over for Jalen Hurts, which
Speaker 2: is pretty crazy. But anyway, so to uh dude, he
Speaker 2: kept on getting concussed after concussed, after concuss. The last
Speaker 2: time that he got concussed, they shut him down. I
Speaker 2: think this say is I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: last year year before they shut him down because he
Speaker 2: fucking couldn't get up and he tried to get up,
Speaker 2: and he didn't know where the fuck he was and
Speaker 2: he was like stumbling all over the place like like
Speaker 2: he like his brain was gone, like it was. It
Speaker 2: was actually pretty fucked up. So I understand why you
Speaker 2: know you want to take all the precautionary measures. I
Speaker 2: have nothing nothing against people trying to protect their head.
Speaker 3: How much do you want to bet. Let's let's take
Speaker 3: an open bet right now, how long before flag football
Speaker 3: replaces the NFL? Never? Oh no, I'm giving it maybe
Speaker 3: another fifteen.
Speaker 2: Brother, No, it won't happen. And the reason why it
Speaker 2: won't happen is because people were already complaining about how simp.
Speaker 2: The NFL has gotten over the past, you know, fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty years or whatever, and they've only made it worse.
Speaker 2: And the XFL came back and as a result, because
Speaker 2: they're like, look, I mean, we need big hits, Like
Speaker 2: this is why we watch football. It's like you watch
Speaker 2: hockey for the fights, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 2: that's and you watch the NFL because you want to
Speaker 2: see grown gladiators destroy each other.
Speaker 3: You know, no, what fuck this, Let's let's bring rugby
Speaker 3: to the States. Can we do that? Can we all
Speaker 3: get on the same page with having rugby takeover football
Speaker 3: as the man's sport. I'm here for this.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I would fuck with rugby.
Speaker 2: That's that is some hardcore shit, dude.
Speaker 3: They're fuck They're here for that smoke and that blood,
Speaker 3: and they came for both.
Speaker 2: Dude, there's full on they're full on gorillas running out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, some of the world's most stout men I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. But yeah, I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 2: think the flag football will ever replace the NFL because
Speaker 2: there will always be a hunger for uh destruction and
Speaker 2: the NFL knows that. And I think that they're going
Speaker 2: to try and pussify it as much as they can
Speaker 2: to a certain extent, But the NFL will be around
Speaker 2: until long after we're done.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, We'll see. I'm hoping there's too
Speaker 3: much money in the Legends Football League, the LFL that
Speaker 3: are also called the Lingerie League. I hope that that
Speaker 3: takes off more. I mean, look, you don't have to
Speaker 3: have women out there and like booty shorts and a brawl. Okay,
Speaker 3: we can give them proper jerseys. They get out there
Speaker 3: and they get them hits in, dude, and they're not
Speaker 3: I don't know what the concussion rates look like for them,
Speaker 3: because it's usually a girl that's weighing like one hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty hitting a girl always one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 3: The force to the skull is a little less than
Speaker 3: a fucking two sixty plus two sixty head on Clifton.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they did that, I would be the
Speaker 2: first person in line throwing dildos out onto that field, sir.
Speaker 3: Like that. I like the WNBA quit throwing dildos on
Speaker 3: the court playing basketball in the dildo range. I don't
Speaker 3: know what to fucking.
Speaker 2: Tell you, bro, Yeah, that's you know, you want to
Speaker 2: see destruction. And I'm not saying women can't destroy each other.
Speaker 2: You know it's been done Ronda Ralsey both destroying and destroyed.
Speaker 2: I love seeing that kind of stuff. I mean, I
Speaker 2: actually kind of feel bad about it. But you know
Speaker 2: that's just more of a you know, you want to
Speaker 2: protect the women, and so you hate seeing them getting
Speaker 2: battered like that. But at the same time, it's another woman,
Speaker 2: so it's fair game.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch female football, dude, I'm good. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch female I don't want to
Speaker 2: watch fembale basketball. I don't want to watch female baseball.
Speaker 2: I don't want to watch female any sport. Maybe, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is gonna sound a little sexist of me. I
Speaker 2: want to see them cheerlead, bro, that's I mean, maybe
Speaker 2: some soccer, Maybe some soccer. I'll throw some soccer in there,
Speaker 2: But I can't.
Speaker 3: Say watch female sports that are entertaining to watch. There
Speaker 3: are some that are out there. I'll throw that out. Like,
Speaker 3: for instance, volleyball is solid.
Speaker 2: Do you watch it for the game, sir, or do
Speaker 2: you watch it for the shorts?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: First of all. You know that I do not like them.
Speaker 3: Skinny them volleyball chicks do nothing to them.
Speaker 2: They are they are fucking busted Canna biscuits below the waist, sir,
Speaker 2: you know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they're not that I desire.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is, I don't have any problem with
Speaker 2: any women doing anything, playing anything, but it's not going
Speaker 2: to get the viewership of a man in a battleship
Speaker 2: or a battle type arena. It's just it's not the same.
Speaker 3: Uh, there's something to be said for that. I get this, but.
Speaker 2: Unless they're coming out with like spikes on their shoulder pads,
Speaker 2: I probably watch it.
Speaker 4: Then.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I don't want to watch actual gladiatory combat
Speaker 3: where somebody's gonna die from it. I mean, well, that
Speaker 3: sounds horrible, but no, I'm as far as this goes,
Speaker 3: I'm still thinking that the NFL is going to go
Speaker 3: maybe not full flag, but I am expecting that in
Speaker 3: the next fifteen years it's going to become so detached
Speaker 3: from the football that we grew up watching that it's
Speaker 3: gonna bene unwatchable.
Speaker 2: I'll you know what, I'll make an exception.
Speaker 3: There are there are some women out there that can
Speaker 3: absolutely lay a hit stick. There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 3: Join the NFL. Just join the NFL. Never I watch you,
Speaker 3: I watch you, then you can you can have your
Speaker 3: own locker room.
Speaker 2: Nobody.
Speaker 3: You know, we're not trying to get creepy or anything.
Speaker 2: Like that, but like that's the only way, that's the
Speaker 2: only way that it would be entertaining.
Speaker 3: That would be abysmal. Bro Again, I will refer back
Speaker 3: to the Serena in uh, what was the other one's name?
Speaker 3: Venus they're about at tennis. They were the top rated
Speaker 3: female tennis players on Earth and they got fucking trounced
Speaker 3: by the two hundred and eighth best male playing tennis
Speaker 3: on Earth. Because it's men and women are built differently.
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna have a women's league of playing football,
Speaker 3: let it be a women's league. I will say that
Speaker 3: the LFL is incredibly entertaining to watch, and I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that for the sex appeal of it. I'm saying
Speaker 3: because of the actual athleticism and brutality. Did you see that.
Speaker 2: The WNBA All Stars lost to a middle school boys
Speaker 2: basketball team?
Speaker 3: Yes, and to the absolute shock of fucking no one.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's and that's the thing.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily like shitting on women. I have more
Speaker 2: respect in the world that for all women, right, I
Speaker 2: have nothing against that. What I'm saying is is that
Speaker 2: women are graded certain things, men are grad at certain things.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that men should be walking down a
Speaker 2: fashion runway.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's our goal. I don't think that.
Speaker 2: I even think that the idea of male cheerleaders is
Speaker 2: kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like throwing them up in
Speaker 3: the air. I get that. You got the dude, that's
Speaker 3: like the base, it's like holding them up. Fine, it's
Speaker 3: kind of weird. You should be out on the football
Speaker 3: field if you can launch somebody up that way. Fair,
Speaker 3: But one of them are getting concussed and the other
Speaker 3: one is probably getting that ass at the end of
Speaker 3: the night. I'm just I'm telling you that the male cheerleaders,
Speaker 3: although it might be seen as homosexual, I promise you
Speaker 3: most of them have way more of the plan afoot
Speaker 3: than what you'd be led to believe.
Speaker 2: It's working smarter or not harder.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: It's a back doorway zombie same. I saw that you
Speaker 2: had your hand raised, but I want to hear zombies.
Speaker 2: I feel like she's about to chew my head off
Speaker 2: of this, or maybe you'll agree with me. What are
Speaker 2: your thoughts?
Speaker 12: And I'm I'm gonna figure out what I want to
Speaker 12: say real quick.
Speaker 9: So well, I will say that I have a male
Speaker 9: and female child that both play flag football. I have
Speaker 9: been a coach for flag football and had an almost
Speaker 9: all girls team that took the championship. I watched females
Speaker 9: dog boys in flag football left and right. That being said,
Speaker 9: I mean, yes, there is really good it is flag
Speaker 9: football base, but there is like really good flag football
Speaker 9: girls too.
Speaker 12: That being said, I do think that men and women
Speaker 12: can't play on the same level as each other in
Speaker 12: like the NFL. That's clearly not gonna happen. But mom,
Speaker 12: they can hear you.
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Speaker 9: because you guys were talking dildos and I was like,
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Speaker 2: And also talking about flag football, no disrespect to anybody
Speaker 2: that enjoys it. But that's like somebody saying that they're
Speaker 2: really good at flag football is like is like me,
Speaker 2: who I haven't played football in I don't know, six
Speaker 2: or seven years, but I've been playing a lot of
Speaker 2: Madden lately, right, And what if I was to go
Speaker 2: up to I don't know, Christian McCaffery or you know name,
Speaker 2: you're a really good football player, and I would say, dude,
Speaker 2: I smoked you last night, and wait till we meet
Speaker 2: on the Great Iron, because it's going down.
Speaker 3: I'll put it to this. You've seen baseball MLB, sure, right, dope.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the wolfle Ball Championships? It's fun, It
Speaker 3: is fun, and there is a level of athleticism to it.
Speaker 3: And I'm not knocking. They're able to do things with
Speaker 3: that wolfle ball that I couldn't do if my life
Speaker 3: depended on it all the shit. But there's different levels
Speaker 3: of athleticism required for both of these. And one of
Speaker 3: these has a real marketplace with billions, if not trillions
Speaker 3: of dollars behind it, and the other one is like
Speaker 3: a cool thing that's kind of a niche market and
Speaker 3: probably gonna get big on YouTube. It's like for the
Speaker 3: flag football.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, It's like, I don't know. That's why I
Speaker 2: don't think that disc golf will ever get bigger than
Speaker 2: really what it is.
Speaker 3: I love disc golf. I will go out there and
Speaker 3: play it all day. There's no money behind it.
Speaker 2: You're never gonna get like people already have a boring
Speaker 2: enough time watching actual golf, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And that's got billions of dollars behind it.
Speaker 2: That's old money.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, But I mean to that point, frisbee golf
Speaker 3: could be entertaining to watch, right, They could get players
Speaker 3: that are decent at it, that would be fun, happy
Speaker 3: Gilmore style, make it entertaining, make it fun, make it
Speaker 3: a spectacle, all the things. But like, how far is
Speaker 3: that actually going to get. It's the same with knife fighting, dude,
Speaker 3: like no one is denying the athleticism required to do it.
Speaker 3: Will it ever become the next big thing equal to
Speaker 3: bare knuckle boxing or MMA and all that. I hope,
Speaker 3: but realistically it's I don't think there's enough of a
Speaker 3: market for it.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example. So Joe Rogan had
Speaker 2: a conversation with Kat Williams. Was it like a year
Speaker 2: and a half ago or something like that, And Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan asked Kat Williams, why do all black people smoke
Speaker 2: menthols And Kat Williams said, he said, well, we just.
Speaker 3: Like things stronger. We just like things bolder. We want
Speaker 3: the strongest and most boldest and just best version of
Speaker 3: whatever it is that we're going after. And Kat was like,
Speaker 3: you don't even understand how racist of a question that was.
Speaker 3: And Rogan's like, why is it racist? I don't think
Speaker 3: it is. He's like, Okay, so as a race, we
Speaker 3: prefer strength of.
Speaker 2: Product, yes, And that's what I'm saying. You know, the
Speaker 2: reason why the WNBA will never be the NBA is
Speaker 2: because they want to see the best product that you
Speaker 2: can possibly put out there. I'm sorry, but a bunch
Speaker 2: of layups is not the best product that is out there.
Speaker 2: It's just not it never will be good effort you.
Speaker 2: I mean you can dribble it, you look fast. I
Speaker 2: mean the way you can go around you know these
Speaker 2: other chicks and you know, go behind their back. It's
Speaker 2: it's it's impressive. But is it the best? No, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: It's like not saying I could do any better or
Speaker 3: anything else. No, Nucket best.
Speaker 2: But it's like it's the reason why the Canadian Football
Speaker 2: League will never be the NFL.
Speaker 3: Never will the Arena Football League thing. No, yeah, the
Speaker 3: Arena League.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well Arena League and Canadian Football League
Speaker 2: they're both still going. But just the fact that you
Speaker 2: had to question it proves the point.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's the same with soccer. And I
Speaker 3: mean I understand this soccer is depending on what country
Speaker 3: you live, and it's not really a sport. The rest
Speaker 3: of the world would call it a sport. America feels
Speaker 3: some type of way about it. Arena soccer is way
Speaker 3: more entertaining, way more fast paced. It is. It's a
Speaker 3: whole hell of a lot of fun. It will never
Speaker 3: get as big as traditional soccer on a big field.
Speaker 3: It's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's something too, like soccer, that is that's
Speaker 2: you know, both sexes can play that. It looks awesome
Speaker 2: either way. Women's dude, Like the World Cup, I don't
Speaker 2: give a fuck if it's male or female. I'm cheering
Speaker 2: for my favorite teams. No, I don't give you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Means America obviously, Well I.
Speaker 2: Got to share for Brazil too, But you know, maybe's
Speaker 2: half Brazilian gotta throw that.
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, God has loved sir. What are your thoughts.
Speaker 11: Hey, there's a couple of frisbee golf players making like
Speaker 11: a couple hundred thousand dollars a year in tournament prizes,
Speaker 11: and there's a couple who secured ten million dollar endorsement deals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a couple of them that are
Speaker 2: doing really well with sponsorships and everything. But you're talking
Speaker 2: about maybe ten or twenty people in the world that
Speaker 2: are making that. You know what I'm saying, It's not
Speaker 2: you know, in the NFL, there are fifty two players
Speaker 2: on the active roster, right.
Speaker 3: And then they're gonna get the Dubai money involved with it.
Speaker 3: Let guitar way in on the Frisbee golf conversation, you'll
Speaker 3: see some dudes go pro right fucking now.
Speaker 2: I would love to see it. I would love to
Speaker 2: see it. I love playing it, and I'm nowhere near
Speaker 2: as I will. Like Macbeth is like the best disc
Speaker 2: golfer in the world right now, and that's one of
Speaker 2: the guys that he's talking about. Macbeth he has like
Speaker 2: his own line of discs and clothing line and all
Speaker 2: this other wild shit. So he's doing really good and
Speaker 2: some of the shots that he makes are like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, how did he do that?
Speaker 3: Like extremely wild factor, but there's no destruction, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We want to see something like in like I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe put somebody's face next to the basket or something,
Speaker 2: probably get a lot more views.
Speaker 3: You know. See put two defenders, two defenders that have
Speaker 3: to stay maybe fifteen yards away from the pocket, right,
Speaker 3: but they're able to get up there and smack. Then you,
Speaker 3: as the thrower, you also get two defenders that can
Speaker 3: like bat them down. So you get a dude throw
Speaker 3: and trying to thread a needle, and you get two
Speaker 3: groups that are trying to like smack each other, and
Speaker 3: that could make it instantly more entertaining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, let's turn it into a whole basketball thing.
Speaker 2: You know, that would be cool. Let's fucking go come
Speaker 2: on now, Yeah, dude, spirit animal, your thoughts, sir.
Speaker 4: It's funny how you said that America could just go
Speaker 4: into a new, relatively news sport and dominate. And I
Speaker 4: want to say, twenty twenty four America, just I what
Speaker 4: stabbed out flesh on.
Speaker 5: The stage of cricket.
Speaker 4: I don't know the cook it is, but we dominated
Speaker 4: a quote unquote established a well respected team of Pakistan.
Speaker 4: But uh, I know cricket. Hell's from England, so it's
Speaker 4: gay as hell.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 3: Cricket is an interesting sport. And I will say also that, yeah,
Speaker 3: America just buy and large has a higher probability of
Speaker 3: dominating simply because of the pool that we have to
Speaker 3: draw from for players, right, and then the money that's
Speaker 3: backing them. And I mean, look at the population of
Speaker 3: US versus the population of most countries, not all, not all,
Speaker 3: but most countries that like send teams to the Olympics
Speaker 3: for certain things like, yeah, we have a wider margin
Speaker 3: to find animals in each individual respect.
Speaker 2: You know, I almost don't even I almost don't even
Speaker 2: want to cheer for America in those senses because you
Speaker 2: want to see, like, you know, if there are certain
Speaker 2: players from certain countries, they train their entire lives for
Speaker 2: this shit. Dude, they don't even like they don't even
Speaker 2: go to school, you know what I'm saying, this is
Speaker 2: their life. And I don't know, sometimes you want to
Speaker 2: cheer for the Jamaican bobs letters, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Oh, for sure, for sure. But then you also see
Speaker 3: like the North Koreans that make their way to the Olympics,
Speaker 3: and if they don't place, then their whole family goes
Speaker 3: to hard labor camps for us of existence, and then
Speaker 3: they feel some type of way. Oh yeah, no, that's
Speaker 3: a whole thing. A lot of these countries, like you're right, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: they take them from like five years old, and they
Speaker 3: could tell this kid's a fucking prodigy, he's going to
Speaker 3: be the best javelin thrower on earth. Then he doesn't
Speaker 3: even place, like he might die when he gets home,
Speaker 3: but his family will be in force labor, like his
Speaker 3: grandchildren will be in force labor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all hell Ken Jong Un who doesn't have a
Speaker 2: butthole and doesn't fart and doesn't even pee.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, Puton actually just went and met with him
Speaker 3: to strengthen the ties between Russia and North Korea. Again,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just signs, y'all right, you know, do
Speaker 3: what you want with that information of the times old
Speaker 3: on spirit animals. I see you, But also I want
Speaker 3: to get to Raven Lee go ahead.
Speaker 12: So I didn't get to finish my thought earlier that last.
Speaker 9: I do think that flag football is gaining a lot
Speaker 9: of traction though, because like the NFL is now sponsoring
Speaker 9: like our local flag football teams, like they're actually sponsoring
Speaker 9: it's become an Olympic sport. The colleges are now like
Speaker 9: recruiting and scouting for for their.
Speaker 12: Teams and stuff.
Speaker 9: I think it's not going to be as big as
Speaker 9: the NFL, but I will say that I do think
Speaker 9: it's going to gain a lot more traction because kids
Speaker 9: are not getting as hurt as they are in regular
Speaker 9: contact football. But a lot of the kids that play
Speaker 9: flag football also play tackle ball, so they play year round.
Speaker 9: Ball is what most all the kids do, as they
Speaker 9: play until fall season and then they played tackle ball,
Speaker 9: so just kind of is continuously working them up.
Speaker 12: But like it's it's gaining a lot of movement. Like
Speaker 12: LSU has had like four.
Speaker 9: Training camps just this summer for flag football and they
Speaker 9: get to like go out and play on the field
Speaker 9: and Death Valley and all of that.
Speaker 3: So you say college as are recruiting for their teams
Speaker 3: for their flag football team.
Speaker 9: They're gonna, Yeah, they're gonna make flag football teams. And
Speaker 9: also they've come out they've also come out and recruited
Speaker 9: for their tackle ball.
Speaker 12: Teams as well.
Speaker 9: Like we the one group that we were with, they
Speaker 9: actually came out and they were recruiting the sixteen year
Speaker 9: olds like they were getting them like already signed up
Speaker 9: and kind of like hey, like in the next few years,
Speaker 9: if you want to come and play at our college
Speaker 9: for tackle ball, like you know, this is what we're doing.
Speaker 9: And I will say that male cheerleaders are not gay.
Speaker 9: We my my daughter does competition cheer and those cheerleader
Speaker 9: like the older ones, man, they are like working hard
Speaker 9: out there.
Speaker 2: No, it's no of a nineties gay kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But I will say.
Speaker 2: But as far as like them getting scholarships and everything,
Speaker 2: that's great, and I'm actually not even that shocked that
Speaker 2: there would be certain colleges or anything like that that
Speaker 2: would be recruiting, you know, for tackle football over at
Speaker 2: flag football, because you know, especially for the positional players
Speaker 2: you know, like your your safeties and corners and linebackers
Speaker 2: and quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, tight ends like everybody except
Speaker 2: for the O line basically and special teams, all of those,
Speaker 2: most of those positions. You know, you want to be
Speaker 2: able to see if if a cornerback can stick on
Speaker 2: a wide receiver for a long period of time not
Speaker 2: necessarily jump at the first fake or anything like that.
Speaker 2: And that's what we used to do back whenever I
Speaker 2: was playing football, Like, we used to have backs on
Speaker 2: backers and that was mainly just like an agility thing,
Speaker 2: you know, like can do you know what where you're
Speaker 2: supposed to go and coverage and you know, can you
Speaker 2: shake somebody not in pads because it might translate onto
Speaker 2: the actual football field whenever you do have pads, and
Speaker 2: sometimes it does translate. I don't know, I I think
Speaker 2: it's cool and I and I love the agility, you
Speaker 2: know version of it, because some people really got some
Speaker 2: shakes to them, you know what I'm saying, like, uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I just grew up like thinking that flag
Speaker 2: football was I just grew up, you know, it was
Speaker 2: just a lame thing, you know. And I'm not even
Speaker 2: saying that that's what it is. But dude, even whenever
Speaker 2: I was growing up, we were playing football in middle school,
Speaker 2: like for recess, it was tackle football and we played
Speaker 2: throw up kill or whatever people smear the queer some
Speaker 2: people call it, you know, like it was tackle without
Speaker 2: pads or anything, you know, And then whenever they said
Speaker 2: that we couldn't tackle anymore, it was like, well, we
Speaker 2: didn't even want to play anymore, you.
Speaker 3: Know, right. It's this is a different world than what
Speaker 3: we grew up in, not even in a different time,
Speaker 3: like a completely different planet that we are living on. Dude,
Speaker 3: I just I'm serious. I envision a future where flag
Speaker 3: football becomes a professional sport, maybe not overtaking the NFL,
Speaker 3: but getting some real attraction behind it. And maybe not
Speaker 3: in fifteen years, maybe in thirty years, we'll have professional
Speaker 3: players that would prefer to do flag football over tackle.
Speaker 3: And I could see a whole movement a whole protest
Speaker 3: happening because flag or NFL tackle ball is so barbaric.
Speaker 3: And I have all these examples of people with CTE
Speaker 3: and just these long term debilitating issues and all this
Speaker 3: all from tackle ball when clearly flag football is a
Speaker 3: superior sport for its safety and sophistication and real athleticism.
Speaker 3: And I could see that going down.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that it's also because there are a lot
Speaker 2: of countries that can't afford that kind of equipment, Like
Speaker 2: a helmet is expensive, shoulder pads can be expensive. You know,
Speaker 2: your cleats and everything can be you know, your jersey uniform,
Speaker 2: all that shit, you know, all the different paths that
Speaker 2: you got to wear. And then the footballs are not
Speaker 2: cheap either, you know. And so I think that flag
Speaker 2: football is going to translate more worldwide, whereas the NFL.
Speaker 2: You gotta you know, that's of course, it's in a
Speaker 2: you know, it's a North American thing pretty much more
Speaker 2: than anything else. I mean, it used they used to
Speaker 2: have NFL Europe, which was basically like triple A for
Speaker 2: a football.
Speaker 3: You men go very far? Did it?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't even know when it stopped,
Speaker 2: like two thousand and five or somewhere in there, that
Speaker 2: they just stopped doing it because there just wasn't enough viewership.
Speaker 3: But it's not just the funding. I mean how basketball
Speaker 3: has taken over. There's a German league, there's a Japanese league.
Speaker 3: You get these players that may not be good enough
Speaker 3: for the NBA, but they will take off and make
Speaker 3: their money in other countries. Look at the ball brothers, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: but all you need.
Speaker 2: Is a basketball and a goal, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think that's why soccer is so big. All you
Speaker 2: need is a soccer ball and a goal, you know.
Speaker 3: But but you need the stadium, you need the field,
Speaker 3: and that takes infrastructure, that takes funding, that takes sponsorships
Speaker 3: and all these things that a lot of countries had
Speaker 3: the infrastructure to make American football a thing. They just
Speaker 3: don't want it. They would rather just watch ours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just not popularized yet, you know, and maybe
Speaker 2: maybe it never will be. Maybe it will always just
Speaker 2: be like a you know, an American thing for the
Speaker 2: most part. You know, Canada got it. But anyway, uh, anyway, look,
Speaker 2: let's get over to the chat because we're slacking again,
Speaker 2: so to be alive said, what's up, y'all? What kinds
Speaker 2: of fun shit is going on in the world right now?
Speaker 3: Oh? All kinds? Brother? Where which area do you want
Speaker 3: to start with? Honestly, there's too much to even speak on.
Speaker 2: Spirit animals said, Nick looks like the Norse Jason Momoa.
Speaker 2: It's been said.
Speaker 3: Before, the Norse, Jason Momoa.
Speaker 2: I dig it, aquaman, dude, Yeah, oh yeah, Luke said,
Speaker 2: I think it's the acoustics of his room. Oh, talking
Speaker 2: about Nick whenever he was talking.
Speaker 3: Also on Jason Momoa as aquaman. Listen, he is currently
Speaker 3: playing a role as a Hawaiian chieftain, a war chief.
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, that I think is one
Speaker 3: of his best roles. It's fucking phenomenal. Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3: I thought was his best role. Dude, personally, that just
Speaker 3: fit him the most. But this is actually him doing
Speaker 3: something for his heritage because Momoa is a Hawaiian native,
Speaker 3: so like, well, it does fit him the best. Honestly. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Big D said, what's up, folks, Been a while,
Speaker 3: but I finally made it again, Big D. Welcome back, Nicholas,
Speaker 3: go ahead, uh thing, it's called chief of war. Let
Speaker 3: me double check that real quick. I want to definitely
Speaker 3: give him his flowers on this one because it's fucking phenomenal.
Speaker 2: All right, while you're looking that up, go ahead, Nick,
Speaker 2: kind of Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Called Chief of War. Matter of fact, anybody go look
Speaker 3: it up. It's on Apple Amazon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can hear you now. The closer I think
Speaker 2: whenever you're closer like that, it's a little easier to better.
Speaker 13: Okay, all right, Have y'all seen the new footage that
Speaker 13: came out from Congress of the U the U a
Speaker 13: UFO hearing or UAP hearing, was that today? Yeah, they
Speaker 13: had they had a hearing today.
Speaker 3: No, we shot an episode on ci A launching infected
Speaker 3: insects at our own people for decades. But no, tell
Speaker 3: me things.
Speaker 13: Brother, it's a video in Congress and let everybody watch it.
Speaker 13: And it's a video of them shooting a hell fire
Speaker 13: missile at a UFO and the UFO like orb it
Speaker 13: split the missile in half.
Speaker 3: It just kept going, Yeah, that's a really dumb fucking idea.
Speaker 13: Holy shit, but it needed the missile. It split it,
Speaker 13: and then basically it was like what's up. It just
Speaker 13: kept going and then they asked everybody do y'all know
Speaker 13: anything that can do that to a health fire missile,
Speaker 13: like the most badass missile we have.
Speaker 6: And they're like, no, no, no, no, it.
Speaker 2: Was an actual like it showed up as an ORB.
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was like some sort of it was. It
Speaker 13: was a UFO craft. It was, you know, a Galactic
Speaker 13: Federation craft. Accordy looking it up and yeah, it's it's
Speaker 13: everywhere right now. But like it's like only a one
Speaker 13: minute video and you see them, you see the missile
Speaker 13: going and it literally just it's like samurai swords the
Speaker 13: fucking missile and happened.
Speaker 6: Didn't do anything to it. I can't.
Speaker 10: That's them Catually.
Speaker 3: Is there any argument that that could be anything human made?
Speaker 6: I'm telling you it's not.
Speaker 13: I've been telling y'all.
Speaker 3: Uh one seven hours ago. Uh whoa oh fuck me, yeah, Johnathan,
Speaker 3: let me share the screen. Oh my god, sir, go ahead,
Speaker 3: what in the actual? All right, hold on, hold on,
Speaker 3: let me be cause you know there's gonna be an
Speaker 3: ad I'm go ahead and get that out of the
Speaker 3: way now. Because they ain't paying us, they ain't playing
Speaker 3: on us. You know what I'm saying. Hold On, hold on,
Speaker 3: this is time entertainment. Before I before I do that,
Speaker 3: just let everybody know what we're what we're looking at
Speaker 3: here drop seven hours ago.
Speaker 2: Oh I did see this? Yeah I didn't see I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think I saw the whole thing because I
Speaker 2: thought it was like an older video.
Speaker 3: But yeah, okay, I didn't know this was new three
Speaker 3: minutes long. The ultimate UFO proof question mark. All right,
Speaker 3: hellfire missile strikes, but UFO zips away untouched. Yo, look
Speaker 3: at this thing. If anybody is listening right now rather
Speaker 3: than watching it, you need to come on the Patreon
Speaker 3: to be a part of this conversation. But let me
Speaker 3: see if I give it a little sound.
Speaker 13: You need to find a clip with with Anna Paulina
Speaker 13: Luna or whatever talking to the congress.
Speaker 3: Anna Paulina Runo.
Speaker 13: Lead, do you have X Can you pull that out
Speaker 13: of it?
Speaker 6: All?
Speaker 3: Uh? I don't know. It's a very good question. Wait.
Speaker 3: Missouri Congressman Eric Berlinson reveals mysterious footage on Tuesday of
Speaker 3: US drone tailing an unidentified glowing orb. Oh, okay, is
Speaker 3: he your orbs?
Speaker 2: Jonathan, ain't my orbs? You're the only one that doesn't
Speaker 2: believe in them.
Speaker 3: I do believe in orbs. I just don't think they
Speaker 3: were the ones over a over New Jersey. The MQ
Speaker 3: nine Reaper was ordered to fire, but missile inexplicably bounced
Speaker 3: off the unknown object and it didn't slow down. The
Speaker 3: mysterious object continued its high speed flight completely unharmed, defying
Speaker 3: military technology. Yeah, by a fucking long shot.
Speaker 2: What is this? This is out over the ocean.
Speaker 3: Is that what that is? Yeah? All right, let me see, Nick,
Speaker 3: Let me see if I can find something a little better.
Speaker 3: Tell me if I find the clip and oh, this
Speaker 3: is the shorts. Yeah, this is them talking about in Congress.
Speaker 3: This might give a little a little more context to
Speaker 3: what we're talking about.
Speaker 9: Mister news to Telly real quick, yes or no?
Speaker 12: Answers?
Speaker 13: Are you aware of anything in the government United States
Speaker 13: government arsenal that can split a health fire missile like
Speaker 13: this and do whatever blob thing it didn't?
Speaker 5: Then keep going nothing nothing? All right? How about you?
Speaker 5: Chief wigans nothing to my knowledge?
Speaker 13: Man, okay, And how about you, mister Borland, I prefer to.
Speaker 3: Answer that in the skiff. Prefers to answer it in
Speaker 3: a skiff. What do you why do you need to
Speaker 3: be secretive about it? They laughed? About it, So I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's that. That was him just basically
Speaker 3: saying no, I don't know what the hell it is
Speaker 3: either or what?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 13: She said, do you know of anything that can do
Speaker 13: that to a health fire missile? And they all said no,
Speaker 13: And he said I would prefer to answer that in
Speaker 13: a skiff, which kind of implies that maybe he does
Speaker 13: know something that can do that.
Speaker 2: Right, right, So in a skin is like private quarters,
Speaker 2: not you know, out in the open like that.
Speaker 3: But man, that's I don't know what what would perplex
Speaker 3: them to shoot it if we know that they exist.
Speaker 3: We've seen pilots have come down and said they had
Speaker 3: all kinds of shit that they couldn't explain. It's been
Speaker 3: popped up on radars all the shit. In what realm
Speaker 3: do these people think, Yeah, you know what, we're gonna
Speaker 3: shoot at it now. That's gonna make things like brother, what?
Speaker 2: And also think about I don't let me look up
Speaker 2: and see how much a health fire missile actually costs,
Speaker 2: you know, like tax dollar type shit. What how much
Speaker 2: money did you just waste?
Speaker 3: I want to say three hundred and fifty K. Could
Speaker 3: be wrong. I might be low balling it. Honestly, Luke,
Speaker 3: while he's looking that up. What you got, bro?
Speaker 10: The reason they shot at it was to test their
Speaker 10: disensis capabilities.
Speaker 2: The cost of health fire missile typically ranges between one
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty and one hundred and sixty grand, depending
Speaker 2: on the variant and specific procurement details. So one shot,
Speaker 2: hygebald it excuse me? One shot is around a buck
Speaker 2: and a half.
Speaker 3: Damn. And so they decided to try to shoot at
Speaker 3: this thing to test its defensive capabilities. It's a bold strategy,
Speaker 3: Cottonlets see if it works out for us.
Speaker 10: Do I know their own defensive So they're black budget crafts. Essentially,
Speaker 10: they just made a new defensive system for it. So
Speaker 10: they were testing and trialing it.
Speaker 3: Oh so you're not saying that that was an alien craft.
Speaker 3: You're saying that last.
Speaker 10: That's absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, shun the nonbelievers. I don't know, Luke. I
Speaker 3: in one sense, I hope that you're right, because, boy,
Speaker 3: if that was an alien craft and they just tried
Speaker 3: to shoot at it, that you know, this is where
Speaker 3: this is where all those movies come from.
Speaker 10: Right, if it's a true alien or spiritual craft or whatever,
Speaker 10: you want to consider it, it's not even gonna care
Speaker 10: about the missile. If anything, the missile is actually probably
Speaker 10: just gonna go straight through it and continue going.
Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't care about it. It didn't even
Speaker 3: slow down. It just kept on going like it didn't
Speaker 3: even get hit. So it just I would say that
Speaker 3: actually big dicked the missile to not even not even evade.
Speaker 3: But you know, we're gonna divide this thing just to
Speaker 3: show you, like we're gonna lay that fucking thing out
Speaker 3: on the table and just say, like, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, if that was an alien craft, if and
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it was or wasn't, honestly, it's a
Speaker 3: very blurry image and the whole thing. Fine fine, but
Speaker 3: like if that was, you realize they have the capabilities
Speaker 3: and maneuverability to just like zoop zoop zooped them them
Speaker 3: and just keep on going. No, they just let themselves
Speaker 3: get hit and like flinched. They just fucking handcocked a
Speaker 3: train with a fucking hell fire missile.
Speaker 2: No big deal, are you human technology? It's like a
Speaker 2: monkey throwing shit, you know what I'm.
Speaker 6: Saying, Like right, it's not anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, cute monkey, you throw your turt at me.
Speaker 3: That's what's right? Oh man, that's crazy spirit animal.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, sir. Was that government tech? Alien tech? God tech?
Speaker 2: What do you think it is?
Speaker 6: Sir?
Speaker 14: I think if that is aliens and they fired on it,
Speaker 14: at least these what these aliens were small enough to
Speaker 14: knock back into a fucking judge's windmill.
Speaker 5: But yeah, no, I think if.
Speaker 4: They want to go to war, so uh, unless we
Speaker 4: throw holywood on them.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe we should introduce them to Jesus
Speaker 5: mad dog madness. But I have no idea.
Speaker 3: You don't think the holy water is gonna affect them.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. I just I don't think so.
Speaker 5: Well. You got some people thinking aliens are demons, so.
Speaker 3: That's true. There are people that do believe that. For sure.
Speaker 2: There are two kind of demented individuals in the world,
Speaker 2: and not everybody falls into either one of these categories,
Speaker 2: but there are two types. And you have our military
Speaker 2: that wants to, I mean, just blast everything with missiles
Speaker 2: and nukes and you know, just try and kill it.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, if it's something flying in the sky,
Speaker 2: we don't know what it is, we want to kill it.
Speaker 2: Then you have other people, people of which the spirit
Speaker 2: animal falls into this specific category which you just want
Speaker 2: to fuck it, you know, like you find a hole
Speaker 2: and you're like, I just I for some reason, I
Speaker 2: just gotta stick my dick in it.
Speaker 3: I gotta see what that feels like.
Speaker 2: And I'm not hating on you who doesn't want to
Speaker 2: clap alien cheeks. But at the same point, it's like,
Speaker 2: I war boners are totally a thing.
Speaker 4: Hey, look if the if they're humanoid and know if
Speaker 4: and the party, yeah should it can be done.
Speaker 5: And I can introduce them to Jesus.
Speaker 4: And if they're fucking bug looking motherfuckers, I can still
Speaker 4: we will introduce them to Jesus.
Speaker 5: Back express shipping.
Speaker 2: Why do you need everybody to believe what you believe?
Speaker 3: Because there's one truth.
Speaker 5: Brother as just I'll find. I'll introduce him to whatever
Speaker 5: creator they may believe.
Speaker 3: I would be curious if, and I've said this before too,
Speaker 3: taking away the proselytizing and all of this, if we
Speaker 3: were to make contact with alien race and they not
Speaker 3: just in the realm of like some sort of a
Speaker 3: government disclosure, but full on they come down and they
Speaker 3: don't want to enslave or kill us. Just going off
Speaker 3: of that, hypothetical here. I would be very curious what
Speaker 3: their history is about, if they have religion or something
Speaker 3: close to it, what is the god that they worship?
Speaker 3: Not as a way to compare notes, but curious just
Speaker 3: from a educational standpoint. I would have so many questions
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 2: Honestly, here's the thing. There are humans are obviously the smartest,
Speaker 2: you know, creatures on earth, allegedly, but then you also
Speaker 2: have chimpanzees, dolphins, and octopi, octopusses, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call them. Has anybody ever tried to introduce Jesus to
Speaker 2: any one of those other smart creatures out there? And
Speaker 2: if not, why would you then think of introducing Jesus
Speaker 2: to an alien?
Speaker 5: Actually, there was a guy.
Speaker 4: He jumped into the I believe it was either the
Speaker 4: tiger exhibit or or a lion exhibiting, but do get
Speaker 4: fucking mauled.
Speaker 5: Then they got him out, but then he jumped.
Speaker 4: Back in and uh yeah, dude, essentially just committed suicide.
Speaker 5: But it's been done.
Speaker 4: It just not you can't go against like nature's instincts.
Speaker 4: But it even though it says that if man doesn't
Speaker 4: deliver worship onto the Lord, every animal, every a wild beasts.
Speaker 4: That room's on the land of every winged beast that flies,
Speaker 4: and even to the trees in the mountain, shall bottle
Speaker 4: down their heads and give on to praise to the Lord.
Speaker 3: I will. I'll say that I don't know, right, I
Speaker 3: don't believe that a chimp or a dolphin or any
Speaker 3: of these things. I believe that, yes, some of them
Speaker 3: are smarter than most of the animals in the animal kingdom,
Speaker 3: but most animals, not all, but most operates solely off
Speaker 3: of instinct. And you're not going to get some sort
Speaker 3: of enlightenment off of a feral being, because feral means
Speaker 3: they're operating strictly off of survival instinct.
Speaker 2: At that point, I mean, there's not a whole lot
Speaker 2: of enlightenment coming from religion either.
Speaker 3: But humans are an enlightened race. Would you agree, in
Speaker 3: comparison to what the rest of the animals in the
Speaker 3: animal kingdom, there's a clear distinct. Uh, there's thinking man.
Speaker 3: There's not such a thing as like thinking ape or
Speaker 3: dolphin or squid or any of these things. And yes, occupy,
Speaker 3: there's we had that conversation. There's a debate if they
Speaker 3: actually might be in the same conversation as like human
Speaker 3: sentience and these types of things like that's that's a
Speaker 3: real possibility. But there is a clear distinction between the too,
Speaker 3: because if octopier so smart, how come they're still living
Speaker 3: in water and eating whatever they could find. Why haven't
Speaker 3: they developed craft? Why have they developed any kind of technology?
Speaker 3: Why haven't they even developed tools. I'll at least give
Speaker 3: monkeys that they'll at least use a stick to get
Speaker 3: bugs out of a hole to eat. That's a tool
Speaker 3: using monkey, which is at least signs of some type
Speaker 3: of intelligence. There's not many animals that will do something
Speaker 3: like that. And for Octopy and all their smarts and
Speaker 3: all of their brains, yeah, they can break out of
Speaker 3: their enclosures. How come they're not developing their own tools
Speaker 3: and technology on their own.
Speaker 10: Maybe they don't because they about taxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, Oh, they probably feared somebody going up
Speaker 2: to them and telling them the story.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go there the story of Ctulu.
Speaker 3: You're right, their God.
Speaker 2: They're saved as long as they're ignorant, So let's just
Speaker 2: keep it that way, you know. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: just because we can build shit and we can think
Speaker 2: about shit, doesn't necessarily mean that we're so far more advanced,
Speaker 2: and not necessarily because a thinking man is not an
Speaker 2: inherently good thing. Because you think about it, there has
Speaker 2: been both amazing things that have come from man and
Speaker 2: mutually like equally as bad of the good things. Right,
Speaker 2: and you could even make an argument that there's been
Speaker 2: more bad than good.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, that's definitely a conversation.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: There's never been a animal on animal genocide that's taken place,
Speaker 3: and I'll give you that that's fair, but they also
Speaker 3: haven't made any kind of real advancements for themselves. The
Speaker 3: apes that are living in Africa right now are living
Speaker 3: the exact same way that the apes did four thousand
Speaker 3: years ago. Well, any animal on Earth is living primarily
Speaker 3: the exact same way they did four thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: Humans very much not the case.
Speaker 2: That's like saying, like, what kind of advancements have angels made?
Speaker 3: You know, are they just going to be angeling in
Speaker 3: their whole life? You know, they're not physical entities that
Speaker 3: are living on this earth. Though, that's different. That's an
Speaker 3: extra thing. But is it possibility?
Speaker 2: Is it possible that every animal just knows their role
Speaker 2: and they don't necessarily even care to change anything up
Speaker 2: like we do.
Speaker 3: I personally don't believe so. I think they're primarily operating
Speaker 3: off of survival instinct.
Speaker 2: I mean no, I'm not even saying.
Speaker 3: That they don't like know their role. This ape doesn't
Speaker 3: think I'm going to be the best APE I can
Speaker 3: be today? And how do I do that? I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do X y Z. They just do what their instincts
Speaker 3: tell them to do. They'll think about it.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit more nuanced than just that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, look, let's get it back over
Speaker 2: to the chat. Midnight Conk said, I went to see
Speaker 2: the new Conjuring movie.
Speaker 3: Was really good. I've been wanting to see that.
Speaker 2: Looks good. Candy Cake said it was okay, too much
Speaker 2: emotion and happy for me. I like it happy like
Speaker 2: like I get it. But when I watch horror for entertainment,
Speaker 2: I want it to.
Speaker 3: Be messed up. Yes, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Midnight Conk said it was a good end to the series,
Speaker 2: Candy say. Candy Cake said, at least they ended it
Speaker 2: and don't overkill. How many of the Conjuring movies were there? Like,
Speaker 2: is that the third one?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like there was a fuck
Speaker 3: ton or spin offs er everything. I don't fucking know.
Speaker 3: I don't watch that type before. You know that?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Yo Kid said yo Mountain jew Oh that
Speaker 2: was to.
Speaker 3: White Boy Wizard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Spirit Animal Will posted a meme that said, god, okay,
Speaker 2: there's one rule and then Eve is like out with
Speaker 2: the Okay, So I.
Speaker 3: Want to bounce this off the cult members here. I
Speaker 3: just got introduced to a new conspiracy. If you're watching
Speaker 3: on Patreon, you're gonna hear this before anybody else. But
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna throw this out. Okay, everybody can look
Speaker 3: at snow White in the chat right now. Okay, you
Speaker 3: see her hair, you see her outfit, puffy shoulders, the
Speaker 3: whole nine. Now, everybody think about the Shrek movie, think
Speaker 3: about Lord farquad bear with me here, the haircut, puffy shoulders,
Speaker 3: and was he or was he not a Dwarf. There
Speaker 3: is a conspiracy going on the interwebs right now, and
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how I feel about it, but here
Speaker 3: it is. Snow White ended up fucking one of the dwarfs,
Speaker 3: and Lord Farquat as her kid. That's how he ended
Speaker 3: up with the magic mirror on the wall.
Speaker 5: Dog, Well, that was kind of confirmed in one of
Speaker 5: the movies.
Speaker 4: It wasn't when he confirmed it was heaving, he implied,
Speaker 4: and even so that it's even made in the second
Speaker 4: movie that snow White was a bit of a whore.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, take that with what you want,
Speaker 3: but like, is it possible that snow White got some
Speaker 3: of that dopey dick or more than likely probably grumpies dick.
Speaker 3: That's why Lord Farquaht was such a dick.
Speaker 2: You know, like seven dudes and non you know, but.
Speaker 3: They were all like elderly men and she was supposed
Speaker 3: to be sixteen. They all had like white beards except
Speaker 3: for Dopey. What I'm saying, Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. They be fucking around, dude.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's also a Disney so it's fantasy, not real,
Speaker 3: so I guess what works? Oh yeah, well whatever, ah well,
Speaker 3: a little combining of the mines.
Speaker 4: You know. White was based off of a Germanic fable
Speaker 4: from the Grimms Brothers. Disney just incorporated all the ship
Speaker 4: and sugar coated it so they could target young in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the real was it snow White or Cinderella?
Speaker 3: The true Brother's Grim story. They well the red Hot shoes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, she made the stepmother dance to death and
Speaker 4: her step sisters they literally cut off half their feet
Speaker 4: and to stuff it in the shoes. And if I'm
Speaker 4: not mistaken, she even like, uh, the sisters had their
Speaker 4: eyes plucked out and everything by the ravens.
Speaker 3: Yeah from wisdom.
Speaker 4: I No, it's a straight up revenge because they fucking
Speaker 4: bullied and abused, uh, Cindeuella.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Brother's Grim. If anybody really wants to look
Speaker 3: at like the true story and how all these things
Speaker 3: played out, it is way darker now. I wish they
Speaker 3: would come out with horror movies based off of that,
Speaker 3: But like, don't change the thing. Keep it as true
Speaker 3: to the book as possible. I promise you're gonna get
Speaker 3: your fix as far as horror is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the true story. It's just the
Speaker 2: original story. It's still a story. It's not gonna be.
Speaker 3: There's no true story of snow White. No, it's all
Speaker 3: part of a yeah, the Brother's Grim tales.
Speaker 4: Right, Hey, Jacob, you know the the Grimm's Brothers. You
Speaker 4: know what I just realized today, And I don't know
Speaker 4: how to feel about it.
Speaker 5: Hansel and Gretel, both drummond kids.
Speaker 4: It's a story about two drummings, uh, and they end
Speaker 4: up throwing somebody in an oven at the end of it.
Speaker 5: It's kind of fucked up.
Speaker 3: It is. But granted that was written about in like
Speaker 3: the Middle Ages, and that wouldn't come through to a
Speaker 3: prophetic fruition for a few centuries. But like to your point,
Speaker 3: it did happen like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And but it's set up like she was holding
Speaker 4: all of the the the candy and everything, and she
Speaker 4: was gonna try to get them fattened by feeding them
Speaker 4: nothing but candy.
Speaker 3: So there was German propaganda during World War Two to
Speaker 3: show the witch as a Jewish woman. Actually.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Also, the Japanese have a thing against the Jews.
Speaker 4: I'll drop the photo. I was looking through Japanese mythology.
Speaker 4: There's a demon called the tangu. Actually if it's te
Speaker 4: n g U, if you pull off in images, it.
Speaker 5: Should show up pretty quickly.
Speaker 4: It's kind of fucked up, but they show pretty much
Speaker 4: a Jewish guy with the black spot thing on the
Speaker 4: back of his head.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
Speaker 3: The Japanese have a folklore myth about what we would
Speaker 3: see as a like depiction of a Jewish dude.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here, I'll drop it in the thing. It's kind
Speaker 5: of Oh, they're supposed like an anime character. No, not
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 2: The big nose? Do you right here? Is that what
Speaker 2: this says?
Speaker 3: I'm about to say is that the thing is like
Speaker 3: the nose, because I mean.
Speaker 5: Hold on, it's my paid my things being fucked up
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 2: Looks like it's based on this kind of mask right here, almost.
Speaker 3: Like Pinocchio told a couple of lies. To be honest
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 5: Hold on, I just said the picture showed up.
Speaker 3: He looks like the bad guy and a lot of
Speaker 3: Japanese made video games.
Speaker 5: Well, the tangu are evil, malevolent spirits, but.
Speaker 2: Bros, it's guy Fox with a dick on his nose?
Speaker 3: Is really right?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 15: Hold on, I'm I mean, I guess through a certain lens,
Speaker 15: you could say that this was inspired by Jewish people.
Speaker 3: I just I feel like that's a bit of a.
Speaker 5: Hold on.
Speaker 3: I was just looking for a reason to be racist.
Speaker 4: The picture that I was shown and everything, because I
Speaker 4: was going through it looking more of the more of
Speaker 4: a niche character. How do I there demons and everything
Speaker 4: because it's called yokai and it was weird. And when
Speaker 4: it showed that up, it was like one of the
Speaker 4: first ones that I saw. I was like, wow that
Speaker 4: and it because it showed him with the black hat
Speaker 4: on what it's like a really white dude, and it
Speaker 4: was like that kind of fucked.
Speaker 3: I feel like, I don't know, if you find a
Speaker 3: picture of it, go for it. I just feel like
Speaker 3: you're trying to find any reason to say fuck the Japs,
Speaker 3: because like that has been a bit of your rhetoric
Speaker 3: for a while. It's a part of the spirit animal lore,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's a I don't.
Speaker 4: Know no, because like I like Japanese before World War two,
Speaker 4: but just World War two and after this is it
Speaker 4: kind of fucked.
Speaker 3: They gave us sushi.
Speaker 4: I can't hate them for all they gave us anime.
Speaker 4: And I myself, I am of Japanese descent, and it's
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 3: Eh, you claim to be of descent from so many
Speaker 3: Asian countries, bro anyway, I can actually okay, all right,
Speaker 3: fair enough.
Speaker 4: I'm Japanese, Filipino, Korean, and but majority of my ancestry
Speaker 4: comes from.
Speaker 5: Whales, like Northern European.
Speaker 2: From my part, we call that heinz fifty seven, Sir,
Speaker 2: is really what you are.
Speaker 3: Just a little bit. And my kids asked me that today,
Speaker 3: who do I take most after? Who do I take after?
Speaker 6: Y'all?
Speaker 3: Primarily Cajun French fucking drop the rest. Yeah, you've got
Speaker 3: a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
Speaker 3: Y'are MutS like none other. Mathematically you're more Cajun than
Speaker 3: anything else.
Speaker 2: Just let it be, you know, be prideful in that
Speaker 2: spirit animal has a animal with spirit animal. Recently we
Speaker 2: found out the Komodo dragon is actually venomous, So what
Speaker 2: kills you is a twofold mechanism. The venom thins your
Speaker 2: blood and their bacteria is what spreads throughout your bloodstream,
Speaker 2: which is what causes the multiple organ infections and what
Speaker 2: ultimately kills you. And there is no cure. Spirit Animal,
Speaker 2: Just out of curiosity, did you copy and paste that?
Speaker 2: Because there's no way you wrote that out.
Speaker 5: No, I wrote that out.
Speaker 2: I actually read it. That was impressive.
Speaker 4: So I like animals. I like learning about facts and
Speaker 4: that I like animals.
Speaker 3: Weird that I want a pair of boots made from
Speaker 3: Komodo dragon skin. I've always wanted that.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've always wanted a pair of boots made out of
Speaker 4: vittle snake, and I wanted a jacket made out of
Speaker 4: the height of ostrich.
Speaker 3: Dude. Have you seen those kangaroo leather jackets. They're fucking pilp.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 5: I've also have eaten kangaroo before.
Speaker 3: I would like to. I've heard it say it to me.
Speaker 4: It kind of tastes like, oh, it has a It
Speaker 4: tastes like dey almost to me, but just a strange
Speaker 4: of flavor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very lean animals, so I'm assuming.
Speaker 5: They like do you that just straight up gut out
Speaker 5: of prison?
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 3: I also really want to try some hippo. I've been
Speaker 3: told it is, so it's good and it's very close
Speaker 3: to beef. They're known as water cows, and I mean
Speaker 3: there was at one time supposed to be a hippo
Speaker 3: farming operation in Louisiana. Thank God they didn't do it,
Speaker 3: because there's no stopping those fuckers once they.
Speaker 5: Take They're wild over in a.
Speaker 3: Columbia because of escobars of the zoo they escaped.
Speaker 4: Also, if you look at their skulls, it looks straight
Speaker 4: out of something out of dungeons and dragons. I'm just
Speaker 4: also they they actively they have more kills against humans
Speaker 4: than lions in a year.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they are the deadliest animal on earth, like
Speaker 3: by far as hippos, and it's not even like a
Speaker 3: close margin. But I've also been told that their meat
Speaker 3: is delicious. They they fuck it up in Australia. In Africa,
Speaker 3: hippo steak is like prime.
Speaker 2: I imagine that hippos and kangaroos and kimotos were saying
Speaker 2: that they taste good or they would look good as
Speaker 2: some kind of a tire. I would imagine that if
Speaker 2: they were able to wear clothes and they can pick
Speaker 2: out whatever they wanted, they'd probably want to wear some
Speaker 2: red bottoms, you know what I mean, just full on
Speaker 2: Macaulay Culkin style.
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you talking about? You lost me here?
Speaker 2: The red shoes conspiracy.
Speaker 3: We did it a long time. Oh man. Oh it's
Speaker 3: a deep cut from way back. Okay, okay, okay, I
Speaker 3: would say, wait, red bottoms, that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's allegedly that's where the idea of red bottoms
Speaker 2: comes from, is from that whole thing with what was
Speaker 2: the little girl from the Poultergeist, right, so.
Speaker 3: You're saying that they would want to sacrifice their own
Speaker 3: kind because the red bottom shoes here is a sign
Speaker 3: that you're sacrificing kids. So if a hippo or a
Speaker 3: kangaroo or a kimoto wanted to wear red bottoms, they'd
Speaker 3: be sacrificing their own kind. Oh, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: we eat deal.
Speaker 4: I got the picture of the tango I was talking
Speaker 4: about that they they should that I was shown.
Speaker 13: Ok.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to that here in a minute. Then
Speaker 2: Luke said, by the way, uh, has everyone been keeping
Speaker 2: up with the ivermectin slash van ben dissol slash men
Speaker 2: med ben me ben diesol research and trials.
Speaker 3: And no I have not, But you sent an Adobe link.
Speaker 3: Let me just give us the rundown. Luke, what what
Speaker 3: is the new ship? If you could? Yeah, because it's
Speaker 3: not allowing me to open it for some reason. Same, Luke,
Speaker 3: are you with us? Brother? He is in the chat,
Speaker 3: but he is unmuted or he's muted. Still, all right,
Speaker 3: we have to circle back. Wait a second, I got it.
Speaker 3: We're downloading God damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like a full on thing.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: So do Journal of Orthomolecular medicine targeting the mitochondria stem
Speaker 2: cell connection and cancer treatment a hybrid orthomolecular protocol. All right,
Speaker 2: oh god, how do I even I'm new, I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do.
Speaker 3: Hit the introduction and all right, there you go, Luke,
Speaker 3: your hands raised us the over under on this one. Brother,
Speaker 3: There's no way we're reading an entire medical journal in
Speaker 3: this episode.
Speaker 10: Yeah, no, you're good. So basically they're finding out that, uh,
Speaker 10: the microtubules in your body, they're basically the same pathway
Speaker 10: that parasites and cancer cells, you know, basically spread out,
Speaker 10: uh ibmactins, bensdal and men mens it all, they kind
Speaker 10: of all together stop that transport from happening. While ivermectin
Speaker 10: itself basically will break down the structure of cancer cells
Speaker 10: and also increase oxygen amounts in your blood, increase the
Speaker 10: good bacteria within your stomach, and then also highlight the
Speaker 10: cancer cells itself for your white blood cells to go
Speaker 10: and take care of. Heym sounds like basically being quicker
Speaker 10: and more effective than chemo.
Speaker 2: Oh chemo is there's so much bullshit about chemo, dude,
Speaker 2: It literally destroys everything inside of your body. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not saying anything new. Everybody knows that,
Speaker 2: but just the idea that ivermectin would be targeting that,
Speaker 2: I'm not shocked in the least bit.
Speaker 3: So this is not a theory at this time. They're
Speaker 3: doing actual studies in resets and they're showing that these
Speaker 3: things are effective cancer treatments. Yes, but it's just horse paced, right,
Speaker 3: And I mean that also goes in line with what
Speaker 3: Lindsay was saying right from rogue ways. She was talking
Speaker 3: about how parasitic eggs look very similar, if not identical,
Speaker 3: to cancerous tumors in the body. Ivermectin, which is used
Speaker 3: as a parasitic cleanse, can also get rid of these.
Speaker 3: This checks out from a different angle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what she was saying. That there was a
Speaker 2: cancer doctor that showed up to one of the one
Speaker 2: of the parasite meetings of people that are studying parasites.
Speaker 2: It was some kind of I don't know, orientation on
Speaker 2: the thing or whatever, and the cancer doctor was like,
Speaker 2: you know, because they were showing it up on the screen.
Speaker 2: And the cancer doctor was like, I think that looks
Speaker 2: like cancer. And the guy said, oh, you must be
Speaker 2: new here. Yeah, we've been knowing that parasites cancer parasites,
Speaker 2: they're interchangeable terms. Yeah, makes sense. God is love. What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts there?
Speaker 16: I'm banking on my daily layer trill.
Speaker 3: Lay a trill? Is that another parasitic cleins kind of thing?
Speaker 16: Like I've emeted in all these g Edward Griffin man
Speaker 16: be seventeen A world without cancer?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, yes, fuck?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All right, Nicholas, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Somebody?
Speaker 6: Better?
Speaker 3: It sounds like you're speaking a different language. Brother, Try
Speaker 3: that again.
Speaker 6: Somebody who.
Speaker 3: M hm, did you catch it? Or did I? I didn't? Sorry? Nick? Brother?
Speaker 3: Do you have what about your phone? If you were
Speaker 3: to jump into the zoom call from your phone, would
Speaker 3: that mic work better? Usually is a lot clearer on
Speaker 3: the phone than it is on the laptop. I think
Speaker 3: you or iPad whatever you're using. Yeah, let's just try
Speaker 3: and get over to that anyway. Let's see. Love said impossibility,
Speaker 3: not improbability. It was a pulse, not a big bang.
Speaker 3: That's what Luke says.
Speaker 2: Somebody said, we just need a weekly pod for religious talks.
Speaker 2: We have two of those per week. That would be
Speaker 2: Josh Monday. Although there's nobody challenging him.
Speaker 3: You know, the conversation kind of goes this way. It
Speaker 3: does the same thing on occajun nights. Sometimes it's geopolitical centric,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's religious centric, sometimes it's history. We'll go all
Speaker 3: over the place with these kind of conversations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I actually, uh, I've grown to really enjoy
Speaker 2: them a lot, not even necessarily to battle anybody on it,
Speaker 2: but just to because I don't I don't care if
Speaker 2: somebody's trying to prove that, you know, their beliefs are
Speaker 2: the right way, I could care less about that kind
Speaker 2: of shit. What I do like is is what is
Speaker 2: what does your literature say?
Speaker 3: You know, like, not your interpretation of your literature, not
Speaker 3: what some people think. No, Like I want to know,
Speaker 3: like if you're trying to stand on bidding it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, Yeah, let's let's understand it
Speaker 3: from the actual word rather than your in interpretation.
Speaker 2: That's what I like.
Speaker 3: I just like.
Speaker 2: Learning, you know, the the meat of it, no doubt,
Speaker 2: Doom Spirit Animal said. To be honest, my second favorite
Speaker 2: podcast is The Weird Bible with Aiden Mittus and Wendygoon.
Speaker 3: I fucking love both of those content careers. I was
Speaker 3: just watching uh Aiden the Guy on unhinged history as well,
Speaker 3: and the Low Lodge and Lower Lodge fucking love him,
Speaker 3: love Windygoon. I haven't watched them talk about things from
Speaker 3: the Bible yet. I haven't checked that pod out, but I.
Speaker 4: Will now good it's it's fan fu fantastic and I
Speaker 4: thought you enjoy I watch pretty much anything he is
Speaker 4: on with Windygoon.
Speaker 5: I watch it.
Speaker 4: They both also you should we listen to Windygoon read
Speaker 4: Blood Britiant. It's it's five hours, but five hours, Oh
Speaker 4: my god.
Speaker 3: I have re listened to it probably three times. I
Speaker 3: am scared. Oh my god. They ever tried to make
Speaker 3: that a movie.
Speaker 4: They tried, They've tried it twenty six times, and each
Speaker 4: time it's been shot down. They right, now it's in
Speaker 4: quote unquote, uh what is a production? But I it
Speaker 4: will it will never, it will never be able to
Speaker 4: be made.
Speaker 5: The movie it is literally because of the Satan. He
Speaker 5: is literally Satan dude.
Speaker 3: Literally is I bro dude?
Speaker 5: He does not age. And it's been thirty years. The
Speaker 5: kid has now.
Speaker 4: Became the man and his his fate is left ambiguous.
Speaker 4: But he raped and killed the kid he raped, but
Speaker 4: it shows him doing it in a lot.
Speaker 3: Of he's based off. All of the characters are based
Speaker 3: off of real people who the judge was based off
Speaker 3: of is terrifying.
Speaker 5: It's uh, the jay.
Speaker 3: It was based off of a judge that was out
Speaker 3: of California who like disappeared for a few years and
Speaker 3: like didn't do his job. He was actually an appointed
Speaker 3: judge of a town and he dipped out and then
Speaker 3: just showed back up later and like what he did
Speaker 3: during that time. It's crazy. How Blood Meridian And if
Speaker 3: anybody hasn't heard of this book, it's from the same
Speaker 3: writer who wrote No Country for Old Men.
Speaker 4: It is is the perfect depiction of a psychopath.
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, yeah, it just the book is extremely long.
Speaker 3: It's extremely fucked up.
Speaker 4: It is, And there is no annunciation of exclamation marks
Speaker 4: anything like I said, while would I have aud Sully
Speaker 4: up a page with a useless mark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a McCarthy novel, so it reads like a
Speaker 3: McCarthy novel. They don't really have many commas or periods,
Speaker 3: so you don't really know where one sentence picks up
Speaker 3: and ends. It takes a second to get used to reading.
Speaker 3: But the story itself, A Blood Meridian is so fucked up.
Speaker 3: Wind Agon did a five hour breakdown of it, kind
Speaker 3: of giving historical precedents, the backstory to what was being
Speaker 3: mentioned in this Like there's sections of it that are
Speaker 3: really reminiscent of Paradise Lost, where they're talking about how
Speaker 3: Satan created gunpowder from this end thing and from sulfur
Speaker 3: from here in Saltpeter from here. There's a section in
Speaker 3: the book where the judge who has seen to be
Speaker 3: Satan created gunpowder from the ship that they found while
Speaker 3: going up a volcanic mountain, and it's there's a lot
Speaker 3: of there's a lot of like levels to the story.
Speaker 3: It's extremely fucked up, but also arguably one of the
Speaker 3: better books written about that section of time when it
Speaker 3: was post Civil War but pre Wild West, where there
Speaker 3: was a lot of untapped or untamed land in the West,
Speaker 3: where it literally was like the law of the land
Speaker 3: was who's got the more guns.
Speaker 4: They think the scalpins and they they were quoting with
Speaker 4: a scalp hunters, which they were, but they weren't to scalping.
Speaker 5: The engines they were.
Speaker 4: They went down to Mexico and they said, what's it's
Speaker 4: a scalp though they're gonna it's a dark headed scalp.
Speaker 5: They're gonna count it the same anyway, what's the difference?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: And yeah? Uh the kid. Uh.
Speaker 4: It opens up with the kid running away from home
Speaker 4: and he goes to a like a tent revival, and
Speaker 4: then the judge shows up, and he walks up and
Speaker 4: says the past accuses the past of killing and raping
Speaker 4: a little kid, and the past and then the church
Speaker 4: goes kill kill him. The kid goes in, gets a
Speaker 4: or was at the bar, he finds the judge. A
Speaker 4: judge said, I never met the man. He essentially said, yeah,
Speaker 4: I lied, I killed I just wanted to see what
Speaker 4: they would do. And then the kid ends up joining
Speaker 4: up after he kills the bartender because he is a
Speaker 4: long story, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Long, long, long story, but anyway, Yeah, anyway, shout out
Speaker 3: to Windygear and then shout out to Aiden. I didn't
Speaker 3: know about their new part, but I will check that
Speaker 3: out for sure. Anyway, very well, never heard of either
Speaker 3: of those things. I don't think he would. Uh. They both.
Speaker 3: Although Windygoon talks about conspiracy a good bit, a lot
Speaker 3: of what they discuss is historical based, and they bring
Speaker 3: in what the archaeological findings and what the scholarly findings show,
Speaker 3: neither of which are things that you like get down on.
Speaker 3: So this isn't like your jam as far as like
Speaker 3: the YouTube verse and like content goes.
Speaker 2: I get it's based on a book, isn't.
Speaker 3: It Blood Meridian or History Blood Meridian? Well, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: it is a book. Yeah, But I'm talking about as
Speaker 3: far as like Aiden and Windagoon and their whole their stick.
Speaker 3: As far as content creation goes, it is very much
Speaker 3: not in line with things that you would find entertaining.
Speaker 6: Brother.
Speaker 3: And I don't mean that in a disparaging way. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying, like it's it's not something you would like
Speaker 3: enjoy watching by any means, what do you mean you people? Okay,
Speaker 3: I specifically mean you, Jonathan, not know you people, Cross
Speaker 3: Luke said, Jonathan, my episode with Crow Triple seven should
Speaker 3: be coming out, I think either this week or next.
Speaker 2: That's awesome that you got to go on to Crow show. Dude,
Speaker 2: I listened. That's one of the only podcasts I even
Speaker 2: listened to anymore. Just so I don't know. I love
Speaker 2: those kind of conversations. And by the way, we were
Speaker 2: supposed to have him a couple of weeks ago. We
Speaker 2: had scheduling difficulties, and but we actually have Crow scheduled
Speaker 2: Thursday at noon.
Speaker 3: I think, so, yeah, that's gonna be a fun, fun,
Speaker 3: fun time. Yeah on nine to eleven whenever. That's wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: Also, we have another person that's gonna be coming on
Speaker 2: that is like part of the Architects for America or
Speaker 2: some kind of shit, and he wants to break down
Speaker 2: how architecturally nine to eleven makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited. We got we got a few really
Speaker 3: good guests coming down the pipe, y'all. So y'all get
Speaker 3: ready for those when they drop.
Speaker 2: Isn't the same coming down the pike like a turnpike?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Okay, I really did think it was coming down the
Speaker 3: pipe as in like the barrel like I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Like I took that to mean a whole different thing.
Speaker 3: My bad, y'all, My bad. Okay. I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I could be wrong. Fuck out loud.
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure.
Speaker 2: Spirit animals said, only bears we root for around here
Speaker 2: are the bad news bears.
Speaker 3: Oh, for the love of God, fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 2: Japan sores to its highest temperature ever recorded one hundred
Speaker 2: and six degrees, and then it's almost saying, doubt, doubt.
Speaker 3: I love it when no one.
Speaker 2: In Fellowship haul wants to talk about Nephelim after Bible study,
Speaker 2: I'd am about to head out.
Speaker 5: I've actually done that.
Speaker 2: There are certain people that don't believe that the like,
Speaker 2: there's different interpretations of what Nephelem actually are. It literally
Speaker 2: means giants, not necessarily. There are people that will battle
Speaker 2: up against that, and then they'll say there's like I
Speaker 2: listened to a whole show one time, some some kind
Speaker 2: of crazy Bible thumper was saying that like.
Speaker 4: Giant, they sat there absolutely that giant didn't mean back
Speaker 4: then what it means today.
Speaker 2: Giant Moologically, that's what the word means. What the It's
Speaker 2: almost like how A. B. Lincoln says, we stand here
Speaker 2: or whoever it was, we stand here on the on
Speaker 2: the shoulders of giants or whatever, not necessarily on giants.
Speaker 2: It's just more of a like a metaphor. And that's
Speaker 2: what allegedly. I'm not saying that that's what I believe.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I've heard it said that some people
Speaker 2: will say that, you know, they don't mean literal giants.
Speaker 3: To that point, And I would love to debate one
Speaker 3: of these Christians one day then explain Goliath or the
Speaker 3: people in Jericho, or the people in Canaan, or any
Speaker 3: of the other examples biblically speaking, where they did in
Speaker 3: fact mean ten foot tall fucking giants.
Speaker 2: I mean, but also things get mythologized a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: And if you look back during those times, most people
Speaker 2: weren't taller than five to five, you know, right, that
Speaker 2: was that was like if you were five to five,
Speaker 2: you were doing pretty well. And so a giant would
Speaker 2: be like Shack, you know.
Speaker 3: Fuck, Shack's a giant by our standards today, yes.
Speaker 2: But not a not a nephelum giant.
Speaker 3: No, no, no. But again, like even breaking down the
Speaker 3: word nepheline, like even just breaking down the syllables of
Speaker 3: that word it's directly translate to like a giant of Like,
Speaker 3: that's that's mind blowing to me. That'd be like saying,
Speaker 3: like you said, like a Lincoln saying we stand on
Speaker 3: the shoulders of giants as he's giving a metaphorical speech
Speaker 3: that I mean, that's wow. I would love to debate
Speaker 3: one of them, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they get like into the Hebrew and
Speaker 2: into the Greek, and I guess it doesn't necessarily translate
Speaker 2: to a big bodied individual.
Speaker 3: That is verbatim in the Hebrew in Greek. What that
Speaker 3: translates to? All right, people, all right? Have you looked
Speaker 3: what the Hebrew words for it? Yes? What is it called?
Speaker 3: I'll look. I'll google it right now. I don't speak
Speaker 3: the language. I don't have these words memorized. But hold
Speaker 3: the phone. It's literally a Google search away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's some debate on it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying one way or another. I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: So spirit animal said, I want a gladiatorial combat. I
Speaker 2: d join blood for the blood, God's skull, for the
Speaker 2: skull throne. They shall know the name of our patron,
Speaker 2: saint mad dog Matis.
Speaker 4: I said, I join, not I d but I definitely
Speaker 4: joined glad toil, combat to the death.
Speaker 5: I did enjoy that.
Speaker 2: I'd okay, Yeah, there was no apostrophe there, Samuel.
Speaker 5: Why would I walk up?
Speaker 4: Why would I study my message with asterisks?
Speaker 2: Just crazy English? You know, it's just weird.
Speaker 3: You you talk without apostrophes. I think everybody talks without apostrophe,
Speaker 3: Sam Jesus.
Speaker 5: I also dropped the g's on a lot of my words.
Speaker 3: All right, so I was I was slightly mistaken. Lightly.
Speaker 3: The Hebrew word for nepelin means the fallen ones. The
Speaker 3: Greek word is actually when they went from the Hebrew
Speaker 3: to Greek translation, that's when they brought in the word gigantes,
Speaker 3: which is and that's in the septuagent And that's the
Speaker 3: closest we have from a Hebrew to Greek translation, one
Speaker 3: for one, and it that word Gigant's is where we
Speaker 3: get the term giant from gigantic.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about it, the Old Testament or
Speaker 2: the Torah was not a Greek thing, right, and so
Speaker 2: we're talking about an interpretation of an interpretation of thousands
Speaker 2: of years ago.
Speaker 3: And even the.
Speaker 2: Tulpa or not the Tulpa, one am I saying the
Speaker 2: Torah was saying that they were just fallen angels, and
Speaker 2: somehow now that just means giants.
Speaker 3: Well, they give descriptions of them, right, these men of renown.
Speaker 3: They even use the term for like them being very large.
Speaker 3: That's why in a lot of Samerian texts and a
Speaker 3: lot of these ease they keep saying that these deities
Speaker 3: were these fallen ones, and these these men that would
Speaker 3: live for hundreds of years and all these things. There's
Speaker 3: there's precedence to this, but fair enough to make one
Speaker 3: of these people? Do you see what I'm saying though about?
Speaker 2: Like, how is it that there was a story allegedly
Speaker 2: for you know, fifteen it goes back fifteen centuries or
Speaker 2: whatever to fifteen hundred or fifteenth century BC, whatever it was.
Speaker 2: How is it that that story then changes fifteen thousand
Speaker 2: allegedly years later?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Like, how do you take an original story and change
Speaker 2: it and then say that your entire religion is starts.
Speaker 2: It starts with the shit that started fifteen thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: but you don't follow along that it should be the
Speaker 2: same exact story, Like the Old Testament should be the Tora.
Speaker 3: If it's old, it's old? You know? Am I weird
Speaker 3: saying that? No? No, I'm with you. The first five
Speaker 3: books of the Old Testament are the Torah, right, And yes,
Speaker 3: that was written by Moses, and the dude himself walked
Speaker 3: the earth somewhere between the fourteen hundreds and thirteen hundreds BC.
Speaker 3: That's why they believe that it was, like I said,
Speaker 3: like in the twelfth century BC, somewhere in this timeframe,
Speaker 3: and there's arguments about the exact century, but all these
Speaker 3: things do check out historically, and I agree that the
Speaker 3: original story that was written down should have been preserved.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately we do not have the original Tora.
Speaker 2: Well, the original story says that they're fallen angels. The
Speaker 2: news story says that they're literal gargantuan giant men.
Speaker 3: But that's my point. They took Nephelin, whichmen fallen ones,
Speaker 3: and when they translated it to Greek, the word gigants, right,
Speaker 3: was the word that they used for fallen ones that
Speaker 3: later became what we would now call giants, because you know,
Speaker 3: the English language has a lot of Greek base into it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that the Hebrew language is limited, right,
Speaker 2: Like there's not a whole like the the alfa and
Speaker 2: the verbiage and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's like like only thirty six thousand words in the
Speaker 3: entire so they have a lot of words that mean
Speaker 3: the same thing, right. Yeah. Context is what gives it
Speaker 3: its emphasis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So would the context disagree that that what you know,
Speaker 2: uh David was fighting was a fallen angel and not
Speaker 2: necessarily a gigantic human.
Speaker 3: No, as far as Goliath goes, him being a fallen
Speaker 3: angel is right out, couldn't be for other reasons. But
Speaker 3: he himself did have four other brothers, and David had
Speaker 3: to go and kill them as well. That the big
Speaker 3: story about David and Goliath is that was the first
Speaker 3: giant that got taken down. But even by his contemporaries,
Speaker 3: even by other sources, like Goliath had parentage like he
Speaker 3: was he was born on this earth. Now there is
Speaker 3: an argument to say was his bloodline of Nephylimic blood.
Speaker 3: A lot of people would agree with that. A lot
Speaker 3: of people say, nah, dude, they were just him and
Speaker 3: his family. They were just built big, and that's why
Speaker 3: they were great warriors and all these and you know,
Speaker 3: it depends always, so it's it's not even an agreed
Speaker 3: upon thing that he was a nephylm. Well, growing up
Speaker 3: in the in the church, I never heard the story
Speaker 3: of him being Nephylimic, right, But that's also because I
Speaker 3: honestly don't think I ever was taught about Nephilim in
Speaker 3: the entirety of my upbringing in the church. Most of
Speaker 3: your Catholic churches and your Baptist churches and your non
Speaker 3: denominational uh, you know, big megachurches are not going to
Speaker 3: be talking about obscure things from the Old Testimony. No,
Speaker 3: the Genesis talks about that's where the term Nephilim comes.
Speaker 2: From, talks about it more than anything in the Book
Speaker 2: of Enoch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Book of the Watchers and things like that.
Speaker 3: That that's definitely more of the apocryphal things for sure, right,
Speaker 3: And so maybe that's why it's not talked about so much.
Speaker 3: It's mentioned, but they don't go into death much into it.
Speaker 2: It's all ast like it's understood, so maybe they don't
Speaker 2: touch on it kind of thing.
Speaker 3: They just kind of give it the overarching term of Nephelim.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. It gets muddied up because like
Speaker 3: the angels when they fell, they made it with humans
Speaker 3: and that's why the earth was so evil and that's
Speaker 3: why God needed the flood. But a lot of churches
Speaker 3: will just teach you that the humans were sinning so
Speaker 3: much and so hard that God had to basically hit
Speaker 3: the reset button except for this one righteous family, which
Speaker 3: would be what we know is Noah. So some say
Speaker 3: it's just because the entire world was as evil as
Speaker 3: Sodom and Gomor was. But it wasn't just two cities,
Speaker 3: it was the entire earth. Some will say it was
Speaker 3: because the bloodline that God created was so tainted from
Speaker 3: demonic spiritual entities that it was had to be wiped out.
Speaker 3: It's there's conversations abounding on this, and this is what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. As far as being a literalist for the
Speaker 3: Old Testament, I think that they gave us what we need.
Speaker 3: Is there more to the story? One hundred percent? One
Speaker 3: hundred percent? There's probably so many other layers and depths
Speaker 3: and character arcs and all these things, But like, does
Speaker 3: the story of Genesis add or take away from the
Speaker 3: story of Salvation? Personally, I would say no, it's not
Speaker 3: a salvation issue, So it's not something to be really
Speaker 3: argued over, debated and and academically, and we could have
Speaker 3: these conversations and stuff. Sure it's interesting, but it's the
Speaker 3: same as like job the story of Joe being a
Speaker 3: true story one happened exactly as it was written, versus
Speaker 3: the Book of Joe being a metaphor and a story
Speaker 3: to teach you to be faithful. Either of those options
Speaker 3: give or take away from the story of Jesus, not
Speaker 3: even a little bit, neither here nor.
Speaker 2: There a salvation. Wouldn't you say that? It's it's a
Speaker 2: pretty integral part to just like leave out, you know,
Speaker 2: like you can't just go on and say, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: there was these fallen angels, they came down, they fucked
Speaker 2: earth women, and then there was like these hybrid beings
Speaker 2: and God had to send a flood. Just how do
Speaker 2: you glance over that? You know what I'm saying, get
Speaker 2: the bar men details.
Speaker 3: I'm with you, But also how do you explain where
Speaker 3: babies come from to a seven year old? You don't
Speaker 3: tell them all of the details. You give them, you
Speaker 3: don't lie to them. You give them the important keynotes,
Speaker 3: and then they know you move on from the conversation,
Speaker 3: and as time goes on they'll learn more. But you
Speaker 3: don't tell them all of the details. When they're at
Speaker 3: such a young age. They have no way of concealing
Speaker 3: or like making that make sense in their mind human beings.
Speaker 3: I hate to break it to y'all. I don't care
Speaker 3: if you're ninety five, you are still a child. When
Speaker 3: it comes to the overarching house and the whys of
Speaker 3: how things play out, we'll never know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we disagree on that, because it was men who
Speaker 2: allegedly could understand it whenever they were compiling all the
Speaker 2: different books of the Bible to turn it into one thing.
Speaker 2: So allegedly we are to believe that they understood it,
Speaker 2: because if they didn't understand it, how would they know
Speaker 2: which order to put it in, and which bokoks to
Speaker 2: include in which books not to include, and so they
Speaker 2: would have to understand the context and the whole story.
Speaker 3: Right, So you didn't understand it all Moses wrote down
Speaker 3: when he was told to write down. There were things
Speaker 3: that were intentionally left out because God told him not
Speaker 3: to put this down. But it's not like no Moses
Speaker 3: knew the entire story backwards and forwards. Right.
Speaker 2: But in the span of the three hundred's or whenever
Speaker 2: that was three thirty all the way to three eighty
Speaker 2: or three ninety, you had the four different councils, right.
Speaker 2: We always talk the council wrote the Torah. I'm talking
Speaker 2: about the Bible, okay, But there were four different councils.
Speaker 2: We always talk about the Council of Nicea. But that
Speaker 2: was just the first one. Then there was three more
Speaker 2: that came after that.
Speaker 3: What i'm the counsel Trent was like the one that
Speaker 3: decided on the books.
Speaker 2: Basically, my point is is that you had all these
Speaker 2: different councils, are we So is it your belief that
Speaker 2: God inspired each individual at each of those councils to
Speaker 2: direct them in putting the them in which order and
Speaker 2: which books belonged and should become canonized or not.
Speaker 3: No, that the councils I don't believe were necessarily divinely inspired.
Speaker 3: I'm saying for when the books were written, when the
Speaker 3: Tora was first written down right, that I believe was
Speaker 3: divinely inspired. Now they decided to add the Tora to
Speaker 3: the final cut of the Bible for reasons. Right, They
Speaker 3: decided to not add certain books to the Bible because
Speaker 3: they found that they were either not canonical or heretical
Speaker 3: or outright fraudulent, or that they weren't they had no
Speaker 3: place here. Honestly, they might be good literature, but they
Speaker 3: don't belong in the Bible. And then they decide to
Speaker 3: put them in chronological order based off of historically where
Speaker 3: they happen and when they happened. There's only a few
Speaker 3: exceptions like Job, for instance, they put that in at
Speaker 3: a spot that doesn't necessarily mean that that's the time
Speaker 3: and place when the Book of Job took place, if
Speaker 3: it did. But the majority of the Bible is in
Speaker 3: chronological order.
Speaker 2: What I find interesting, though, is that you'll have like
Speaker 2: they were the ones to determine what was canonical and
Speaker 2: what wasn't. Right, Yeah, so it was up to them,
Speaker 2: and so you would have to believe that that had
Speaker 2: to have been somewhat divinely inspired, because how would they
Speaker 2: know what's canonized in or what should have been canonized
Speaker 2: and what wasn't.
Speaker 3: But that's my point. The Tour itself did not include
Speaker 3: the Book of Enoch. The Tour is the first five
Speaker 3: books of the Bible, right, So no, I'm.
Speaker 2: Talking mainly New Testament here. When we're talking about the
Speaker 2: councils like.
Speaker 3: Toros, giants and shit, where I'm still in that.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, my bad, I'm kind of jumping
Speaker 2: around a little bit, but you know, just looking into that,
Speaker 2: and I've looked a lot into you know, like who
Speaker 2: were the people and which councils determined you know, which
Speaker 2: books that go in and which should be canonized. And
Speaker 2: one of my findings I thought was actually pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: I just learned this the other day. But before the
Speaker 2: Bible was turned into the Bible in the three hundreds,
Speaker 2: whenever it was, there was actually so all the stories.
Speaker 2: I was like, how did everybody know about all these
Speaker 2: different biblical stories before the Bible was created?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Obviously you had the Torah for a while, but the
Speaker 2: Christians they still needed to learn something before the Bible
Speaker 2: came around, right, And so you see that, you know,
Speaker 2: it was obviously Rome, but Rome was consistent of like
Speaker 2: a lot, like a lot right of Mesopotamia and a
Speaker 2: bunch of other you know, countries and lands and shit
Speaker 2: like that. So but back then they were actually they
Speaker 2: were mixing and mashing between canonical and non canonical, right,
Speaker 2: so they and they looked at some of them. These
Speaker 2: are some literal interpretations. These are more of the deeper
Speaker 2: meaning kind of interpretations or whatever. And they didn't necessarily
Speaker 2: call them gnostic or apocryphal or canonized or whatever. It
Speaker 2: was just whatever stories we got about Jesus or whatever,
Speaker 2: we're just going to put it into the own, our
Speaker 2: own context of our mind. Until the three hundreds that
Speaker 2: they started like separating all of these different versions.
Speaker 3: Right, all right, so let's break down the history lesson
Speaker 3: of this. Okay, So when Jesus walked the earth, this
Speaker 3: was first century AD, Right, When the Apostle Paul walked
Speaker 3: the earth, it was still first century a d. Forty
Speaker 3: years after by the way, yes, but still within the
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty timeframe, right, sure, Okay, Okay, So now
Speaker 3: we're talking about councils that took place in the three
Speaker 3: hundred's AD timeframe, right and beyond. Yeah, so we're talking
Speaker 3: about arguably two hundred years give or take removed from
Speaker 3: the events that actually took place, right. Yeah. Now, when
Speaker 3: you're talking about how did these non Christians or non
Speaker 3: Jewish for that matter, know these stories from the Torah
Speaker 3: and all of this, that's kind of why the Bible
Speaker 3: includes the Old Testament and the New Testament because there
Speaker 3: was a lot of stories, a lot of First Hannah counts,
Speaker 3: a lot of people that were claiming that they saw
Speaker 3: the Messiah themselves that weren't even of Jewish descent. Right.
Speaker 3: He had a lot of Greek followers, he had a
Speaker 3: lot of Roman followers, and all these things, more from
Speaker 3: the Apostle Paul and more from their ministry elsewhere. Right
Speaker 3: then they had one in Egypt. They had one all
Speaker 3: over the place, all over the place. This being said,
Speaker 3: you had these converts that were now following what at
Speaker 3: this time wasn't even called Christianity, it was called the
Speaker 3: way right, And so you had these new converts that
Speaker 3: were trying to follow the way of this Yeshua figure,
Speaker 3: and they needed to know, Wait a minute, So he's
Speaker 3: the Savior, but why was he here? Why was the
Speaker 3: sacrifice needed? What was the prelim for this? Why was
Speaker 3: it so important about his birth? Why was it so
Speaker 3: important about the way he died? Why was this important?
Speaker 3: This important? This important? So when the early church fathers
Speaker 3: got together, they decide that they needed to include the
Speaker 3: Old Testament to tell the story of how we got
Speaker 3: to the point of needing the Messiah, and then tell
Speaker 3: the story of the Messiah and his works on earth.
Speaker 3: Followed by Paul, who was seen as an apostle who
Speaker 3: trying to teach people how to set up and operate
Speaker 3: the new Church. So they got together and Constantine was
Speaker 3: one of the biggest ones of this, and he basically
Speaker 3: put the word out and said, if we are now,
Speaker 3: because he's the one that changed room from a pagan
Speaker 3: nation to a Christian nation, right, And we can argue
Speaker 3: if he really was a Christian or not. Like I'm
Speaker 3: not here to argue this point. My point is he said,
Speaker 3: we need all of the literature, everything that has anything
Speaker 3: to do with this dude, and we need to get
Speaker 3: it together and figure out what is and what is
Speaker 3: not real. Because here's the deal. After Jesus died, you
Speaker 3: had a lot of people that were taking a story
Speaker 3: from a story, from a third person story, and we're
Speaker 3: writing it down as if that was fact, and in
Speaker 3: reality it was not. Then you had a lot of
Speaker 3: people that were metaphorically taking some of the things that
Speaker 3: happened and making their own versions of it. But they
Speaker 3: were doing this thing called forgery where they would write
Speaker 3: a book and instead of putting a author right, they
Speaker 3: would write like, oh, this is my name and I
Speaker 3: was the first person account of Jesus. They would write
Speaker 3: the Lost Gospel of dot dot dot name somebody important,
Speaker 3: of Thomas, of Judas, of Mary Magdalene, of all these people,
Speaker 3: and they would try to pass it off as if
Speaker 3: these people themselves wrote these books. In reality they did not.
Speaker 3: In reality, a lot of these people had no business
Speaker 3: writing these books, so it would have made no sense.
Speaker 3: And then of the original copies that we have of these,
Speaker 3: you can tell that they are second and third century
Speaker 3: forgeries rather than first century first hand account.
Speaker 2: Sure, but couldn't you also say that Paul had no
Speaker 2: business writing anything either.
Speaker 3: No, because he was an apostle, Paul apostle of who
Speaker 3: of Jesus.
Speaker 2: He never met Jesus.
Speaker 5: But he did one of the disciples.
Speaker 3: He met him on the road to Damascus. That's when
Speaker 3: he went from Salt Tarses to Paul.
Speaker 2: That's a vision that didn't actually happen, but.
Speaker 3: It did, and he was blind for months after the fact.
Speaker 3: And that's also coroborated by first person accounts, and as
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, coroberated by the actual disciples that
Speaker 3: followed Jesus, other apostles that knew and lived and walked
Speaker 3: with Jesus his twelve They met with Paul later on
Speaker 3: and confirmed what he had said, as in, yes, you
Speaker 3: really did meet the Messiah, you saw this, you talked
Speaker 3: to him about this. That wasn't a vision. You physically
Speaker 3: had an encounter with the same guy we saw die
Speaker 3: on the cross and rise again.
Speaker 2: So Paul meets Jesus in the ether.
Speaker 3: No, literally physically on the road to Damascus. It wasn't
Speaker 3: in a meditative state. Everywhere I've I've looked, said Paul
Speaker 3: and Jesus never met. This was after Jesus was dead. Yes,
Speaker 3: but Jesus also rose from the dead and walked the
Speaker 3: earth and was seen by hundreds of eyewitnesses. So to
Speaker 3: that account, all these eyewitnesses were seeing in ethereal Jesus
Speaker 3: even though he told them literally put your fingers in
Speaker 3: the nail holes. No, no, it's really met physically here.
Speaker 2: And don't you think that that's why there would have
Speaker 2: been so many people essentially writing what you would call
Speaker 2: fanfic about all these different people from all these different stories,
Speaker 2: because maybe they had a vision and maybe their visions
Speaker 2: just weren't agreed upon. But allegedly the twelve Apostles also,
Speaker 2: I would love to find that information where they they
Speaker 2: clarified that, yeah, we saw you there too. I've never
Speaker 2: heard that part. I mean, I'm not saying that it's bullshit.
Speaker 3: I just haven't heard that part about what Paul and
Speaker 3: the other disciples. Yeah, it's written about in the books.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, there was a big old
Speaker 3: schism between him and Peter or Simon, I should say
Speaker 3: he was Simon then he became Peter. Paul and Peter
Speaker 3: had a bit of a fucking tiff over the way
Speaker 3: that the church should operate. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: like this is well documented and well written about in
Speaker 3: the Bible and other sources. So I mean it's this
Speaker 3: is my point, So it's corroborated by other people. But
Speaker 3: beside the point, see, yes, to your point, you would
Speaker 3: have other people out there writing gnostic you know, conversations
Speaker 3: of what they want. But I would argue that a
Speaker 3: lot of that was more grifter esque, especially whenever you
Speaker 3: get it and you compile all of these and you
Speaker 3: could look at these, you can read these books yourself,
Speaker 3: and you can see, all right, these books are talking
Speaker 3: about historicity. They are talking about how to set up
Speaker 3: the church. They are talking about how to operate and
Speaker 3: how to live in the best way possible. And these
Speaker 3: books are directly going against all of that, and they
Speaker 3: are talking about basically finding salvation within yourself. These books
Speaker 3: are talking about finding salvation between from his sacrifice. These
Speaker 3: clearly do not jive. There is obviously a disconnect here.
Speaker 3: So when Constantine said, get me all of the books
Speaker 3: with this dude's name in it. We need to compile it.
Speaker 3: We need to make a codex, right, we need to
Speaker 3: get this together, a manuscript of all encompassing. He set
Speaker 3: about with this, and there was counsels to delineate over
Speaker 3: these things. And that's what they did. They went through
Speaker 3: and read all of them, and they decided, okay, this
Speaker 3: one does not belong in this stack. This one does.
Speaker 3: They did that for the Old Testament as well. And look,
Speaker 3: I disagree with some of what they did with the
Speaker 3: Old Testament. I personally think they should have included the
Speaker 3: Book of Enoch, especially because it was referenced by Jesus
Speaker 3: in his time frame, right, so maybe we should have
Speaker 3: included that to where a new convert could understand the
Speaker 3: deeper meaning of what the fuck was just said. But
Speaker 3: fair enough, there's some other stuff in the Book of
Speaker 3: Enoch that they decided was not worth putting in the
Speaker 3: Book of Jubilee. I wish that would have made it
Speaker 3: to the final cut, but there's reasons for this. My
Speaker 3: point is is that if Jesus is God incarnate, why
Speaker 3: are there why is there more in the New Testament
Speaker 3: written by Paul.
Speaker 2: Then there was said out of Jesus's mouth. So essentially,
Speaker 2: if you take out all of the Paul stuff, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: There's And I was trying to figure out, like what
Speaker 2: the percentage was, right, Like how much of the New
Speaker 2: Testament is Paul?
Speaker 3: How much?
Speaker 2: How much of the New Testament is Jesus. It was
Speaker 2: like thirty It's like thirty percent Paul and only eighteen
Speaker 2: percent Jesus.
Speaker 3: Like statistically, four books in the Bible where Jesus speaks,
Speaker 3: that's the only four Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Speaker 2: So Jesus literally God in the flesh show it says comes.
Speaker 3: And we're going to.
Speaker 2: Take Paul's word for it more than Jesus's word for it.
Speaker 3: No, No, you should take it all. Listen to the Gospels.
Speaker 3: For anybody who's questioning about Christianity, I will tell you,
Speaker 3: start with the Gospels. You're gonna come up with some questions.
Speaker 3: You may have to refer to some other books to
Speaker 3: gain the context of it, but read the Gospels above
Speaker 3: anything else. For sure. Paul was speaking to new converts,
Speaker 3: and he was speaking on how to set up quote
Speaker 3: unquote the church. And I don't mean the business of
Speaker 3: the church. I mean he was telling people and again
Speaker 3: he didn't it was the business of the church. Though,
Speaker 3: by the way, he did not. Paul did no, he
Speaker 3: did not, dude. He turned a mom and pop shop
Speaker 3: into a local like not even a local, like a
Speaker 3: corporate food chain. He was kicked out of most cities
Speaker 3: he went to and was later killed by Romans. What
Speaker 3: are you talking about, Paul, Yes, hold up, Paul went
Speaker 3: from city to city setting up new churches. Yes, and
Speaker 3: then he got kicked out of a lot of them.
Speaker 3: And these churches, by the way, didn't accept tythe That's
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Like, you just disagreed, though, is that you agreed and
Speaker 2: then you disagreed. All I said was is that Paul
Speaker 2: was just going around setting up all the churches.
Speaker 3: And you're like, no, no, you said he set up
Speaker 3: the business, not the churches. I believe the two are
Speaker 3: separate conversations. Okay, that's that's up for interpretation. At that point,
Speaker 3: these churches were not collecting money. These churches were not
Speaker 3: making money. They were not a profitable endeavor. As a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, most of the places he was setting
Speaker 3: up these churches, they were ostracized and were getting really
Speaker 3: persecuted by the local.
Speaker 2: No, whenever I said that, I didn't mean for profit,
Speaker 2: like that's the money profit. What I mean is is
Speaker 2: just like almost almost like setting it up like you
Speaker 2: would have business if you weren't worried about the money.
Speaker 3: He was teaching these new converts that were trying to
Speaker 3: have communion with each other and they were trying to
Speaker 3: grow in their understanding of the way and of Jesus.
Speaker 3: He was showing them how to do that better. But
Speaker 3: here's the other catch twenty two of that, and so
Speaker 3: many Christians missed this, Like when Paul set up a
Speaker 3: church in Corinth, and he was helping them get their
Speaker 3: legs started, and he was telling the Church of Corinth
Speaker 3: how to behave He wasn't speaking to all of the
Speaker 3: new Christendom when he told women to be silent and submissive,
Speaker 3: and they must wear a covering, and they must do
Speaker 3: these things. He was not telling all women to shut
Speaker 3: up and mind their business. He was speaking specifically to
Speaker 3: the people in that church, because the women in that
Speaker 3: church at that time, day and age, this is what
Speaker 3: the context really matters here, they were acting in ass
Speaker 3: and he was speaking to them to chill the fuck out.
Speaker 2: Why would you need that kind of why would you
Speaker 2: need even that information in the If it's literally supposed
Speaker 2: to be the literal word of God, who gives a
Speaker 2: shit about the context of the moment, it should be
Speaker 2: the words that are being said that are the most
Speaker 2: powerful thing. Why I don't understand this whole context conversation.
Speaker 2: I do get it from a literal perspective, But if
Speaker 2: you're just looking at it for the word, if it's
Speaker 2: a divinely inspired word, who gives a shit? If those
Speaker 2: women at that place were a little bit out of line,
Speaker 2: and that's why he said those things to those women
Speaker 2: and not to any other women.
Speaker 3: So the same could be said with Jesus. A lot
Speaker 3: of what he said require context to understand. Otherwise, if
Speaker 3: you're just taking him at his word and we're doing
Speaker 3: a one to one Hebrew to English translation, there's a
Speaker 3: lot missed. For instance, Jonathan, just give a quick example
Speaker 3: off the top, whenever he talks about how when the
Speaker 3: Master comes back and there will be ten bridegrooms waiting
Speaker 3: for him, will you be the one that goes and
Speaker 3: keeps your lamp filled with oil and have your wick
Speaker 3: trimmed and when he comes, will you have your lamp lit?
Speaker 3: And will you go with him? There will be five
Speaker 3: that will, and there will be that will not have
Speaker 3: the oil prepared. They'll have to go to the market
Speaker 3: and get oiled. Then they'll come back and knock on
Speaker 3: the door and say please let us in, and he'll say,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but the bridegroom party has already gone. You're
Speaker 3: gonna be You're not a part of this. Do you
Speaker 3: have any fucking ideal what I just said or what
Speaker 3: that had any reference to.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's spoke in parable, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: My point is you would need to know what the
Speaker 3: Jewish customs and cultures were in the first century AD
Speaker 3: to understand the context of what he meant by this
Speaker 3: was always be ready, don't be lazy, be about your business,
Speaker 3: because you'll never know when God is coming back to
Speaker 3: call his children home.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I could have garnered a little something
Speaker 2: like that without the context.
Speaker 3: My point is, yes, you have to understand the full picture.
Speaker 3: And for the record, when Paul was writing that to Corinth,
Speaker 3: that was a letter he was writing from a jail
Speaker 3: cell to the church in Corinth. This wasn't I don't
Speaker 3: even know if he intended for this to become a
Speaker 3: book of the Bible. He was writing this to his people.
Speaker 2: I just find it hilarious how what people back in
Speaker 2: the day were allowed to receive visions, but people nowadays
Speaker 2: that get visions we look at them like their looney tunes.
Speaker 3: Again, these weren't visions, dude, And this was corroborated by eyewitnesses.
Speaker 3: If he was full of shit, if he would have
Speaker 3: been keep in mind, he was Saul of Tarsus that
Speaker 3: was murdering New Christians. They didn't even call him that.
Speaker 3: They just called it this new cult, these people that
Speaker 3: think they found them Aside on all these things, Saul
Speaker 3: of Tarsus was going out of his way to torture
Speaker 3: them to death. And then out of nowhere, he has
Speaker 3: this experience. He has this physical encounter with the really
Speaker 3: the the resurrected Christ years after the fact, and then
Speaker 3: he comes up to the disciples, who knew who he
Speaker 3: was by the way they knew they were being hunted
Speaker 3: by this guy, gained their trust and was able to
Speaker 3: convince them that you know, I saw the guy, the
Speaker 3: physical guy. This is what he looked like. He said this,
Speaker 3: He had these scars, and these and these and these,
Speaker 3: and all of the disciples that were still alive at
Speaker 3: that time. All the other apostles agreed and said, oh no,
Speaker 3: you really met him. That's legit. Okay. You think that
Speaker 3: he was so smooth talking that these people that were
Speaker 3: hiding for their lives from this guy, he was able
Speaker 3: to give him a little traits and drew a little
Speaker 3: slip of the tongue, and all of a sudden they
Speaker 3: believed that he saw Jesus because they're that gullible. I
Speaker 3: think it was a cult and they wanted somebody to
Speaker 3: believe their cult. They all cult start with a vision,
Speaker 3: a vision that only one has access to, and nobody
Speaker 3: can clarify. He was not the only one. All the
Speaker 3: disciples went on to found churches, most of where he
Speaker 3: went by the way. The other apostles went and did
Speaker 3: their own thing with new churches. He wasn't like the
Speaker 3: only guy.
Speaker 2: So all right, just clarify this for me, because maybe
Speaker 2: I'm misunderstanding Paul.
Speaker 3: Where was he before he had this vision? He was
Speaker 3: a Jewish high rabbi of guys.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, like physically, where.
Speaker 3: Was he He was on the road to Damascus, so
Speaker 3: he was traveling.
Speaker 2: He was walking, maybe riding on a horse. I don't
Speaker 2: know what I fuck he was doing back then, Right.
Speaker 3: It's something a donkey more than likely.
Speaker 2: But riding on a donkey, right? And then he is
Speaker 2: transported DMT style to see Jesus in a vision is
Speaker 2: what you're saying, not at all what I just said. Well,
Speaker 2: it's a vision, he was understand a vision, didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Jesus came to him and appear to him. Was he
Speaker 2: the only one on this road to Damascus? Or was
Speaker 2: he traveling in a group.
Speaker 3: I want to say there was. It's been a MENI
Speaker 3: since I looked into this. I want to say he
Speaker 3: had one or two traveling companions with him. Perfect did
Speaker 3: anybody else? Did those one or two people potentially see
Speaker 3: what what Paul was seeing? No, he was struck down
Speaker 3: and he was blinded, and he had to get found
Speaker 3: and brought back to town.
Speaker 2: My point is is that did it happen in physical
Speaker 2: reality or did it happen in the imagination.
Speaker 3: Realm physical reality?
Speaker 2: Physical reality? Then the other two people would be able
Speaker 2: to corroborate that they saw Jesus there as well.
Speaker 3: I suppose, so, which again, I'm I'm as I'm saying
Speaker 3: that I could it.
Speaker 2: How could it be physical reality when everybody knows it
Speaker 2: is always stated that it is a vision. So how
Speaker 2: how can something be a physical reality and a vision
Speaker 2: at the same time.
Speaker 3: When Jesus resurrected and came back to his disciples in
Speaker 3: the upper room, they thought they saw a vision until
Speaker 3: he literally said, no, put your fingers in the wounds.
Speaker 3: I'm physically here. Some people would say, oh, they all
Speaker 3: had a collective hypnosis and they all had a collective
Speaker 3: vision of Jesus. Then there are those that would say, no,
Speaker 3: he physically was there, walked the earth, eate with them,
Speaker 3: and talked and spoke and preached to hundreds of people
Speaker 3: over the course of the next forty days.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me just read this right here, because I
Speaker 2: feel like maybe I'm just not an understanding the story.
Speaker 2: So the Road to Damascus refers to the pivotal moment
Speaker 2: in the life of Saul of Tarsus, who later became
Speaker 2: known as Paul the Apostle. This event is described in
Speaker 2: the New Testament, particularly in the Acts of the Apostles.
Speaker 2: Saul was traveling to Damascus to arrest Christians when he
Speaker 2: experienced a profound vision. The details of the vision blinding light.
Speaker 2: As Saul approached Damascus, a sudden light from heaven flashed
Speaker 2: around him, causing him to fall to the ground. There
Speaker 2: was a voice of Jesus. He heard a voice asking Saul, Saul,
Speaker 2: why do you persecute me? When Saul inquired about the
Speaker 2: identity of the voice, that responded, I am Jesus, whom
Speaker 2: you are persecuting the instructions given where after this encounter,
Speaker 2: Saul was instructed to go into the city where he
Speaker 2: would receive further guidance. So he had temporary blindness following
Speaker 2: the vision. Saul was blind for three days and did
Speaker 2: not eat or drink. A disciple named Annius and Aneus
Speaker 2: was directed by God to restore to restore Saul's sight.
Speaker 2: Aneas laid hands on Saul and scales fell from his eyes,
Speaker 2: allowing him to see again. So the vision not only
Speaker 2: mark Saul's conversion, but also his commissioning as an apostle
Speaker 2: to spread the message of Christianity, particularly to the Gentiles.
Speaker 2: The term road to Damascus has since become a metaphor
Speaker 2: for a significant change in belief or perspective.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I looked it up. It's in the Book
Speaker 3: of Acts, chapter nine. Essentially, there were two companions. I
Speaker 3: was right on that they who heard the voice, although
Speaker 3: they did not see Jesus. They all saw the blinding
Speaker 3: light and they heard the voice talking to Saul. But
Speaker 3: he was the only one that had a actual sight encounter.
Speaker 3: So again, joint thing. This was not a hypnosis or
Speaker 3: a transstate by any means. He was mining his own business.
Speaker 3: The next time that you're trying to have a meditative
Speaker 3: state and you get struck down by light from heaven
Speaker 3: and a voice comes out from the ether that I
Speaker 3: can hear as well, I don't know I would personally
Speaker 3: call that real. It's just me.
Speaker 2: But they didn't meditate Jesus, but they didn't see him.
Speaker 3: They didn't see him, but they heard him. When's the
Speaker 3: last time the cloud spoke to you, my boy?
Speaker 2: Nobody has ever heard a message from any cloud they did.
Speaker 2: All right, let me just say this, Me and you,
Speaker 2: we're strolling maybe me and you, we want to go
Speaker 2: on a grocery trip. We're going to go to Walmart, right, And.
Speaker 3: Why does my faith anger you so much?
Speaker 2: Because you're it doesn't anger me. It's just that you
Speaker 2: only believe that there was magic in this world for
Speaker 2: like a couple of years and never before and never
Speaker 2: after ever again.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily true.
Speaker 2: No, you don't believe that there's anything miraculous that has
Speaker 2: happened since then that God.
Speaker 3: Has never God has to the grandiose scale that we're
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 2: God has never intervened in two thousand plus years or
Speaker 2: around two thousand years, right, I disagree.
Speaker 3: With that intervened in what way, like come down and
Speaker 3: spoke to people like from the heavens and a whole
Speaker 3: group could hear him. Yeah, No, I don't think that's
Speaker 3: happened in a good while. Why not because he said
Speaker 3: that he's not coming back again until he comes back,
Speaker 3: and when that comes, it's not gonna be something that
Speaker 3: could be easily denied.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I'm like going crazy because you
Speaker 2: don't see how this is just a vision. Yeah, they
Speaker 2: heard it, maybe they saw some light. They didn't actually
Speaker 2: see Jesus, so it was a vision.
Speaker 3: Then if you heard something and saw something that's not
Speaker 3: just a vision, that is a physical encounter where at
Speaker 3: least two of your five senses are being observed.
Speaker 2: Here, didn't see Jesus like one person did, so, somebody
Speaker 2: was tripping, somebody wasn't.
Speaker 3: Of three people, all three saw the light and heard
Speaker 3: the voice, but only one person saw who the voice
Speaker 3: was coming from. All three of them can corroborate that
Speaker 3: this was a sound experience and a light experience, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't like just lightning struck. They heard a conversation.
Speaker 2: What I guess my point is is that if and
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like it's almost I feel
Speaker 2: like it's almost kind of throwing shade at Jesus saying
Speaker 2: that he didn't do a good enough job. So here's
Speaker 2: Paul to fill in the rest of the story.
Speaker 3: No, he had his own divine mission that he was
Speaker 3: being sent on. Dude, it wasn't they didn't do a
Speaker 3: good enough job. It's that people still needed to hear
Speaker 3: the rest of the story. They needed to hear what
Speaker 3: Paul had to say about it, because at this time
Speaker 3: he was Saul who was killing the people that said
Speaker 3: that they had worshiped Jesus, and Jesus smacked him down
Speaker 3: and physically had a conversation with him. Then he went
Speaker 3: back to the disciples, the apostles rather who all walked
Speaker 3: with Jesus physically knew him, ate with him, was at
Speaker 3: the Last Supper with him, right, and they cooborated. Yo,
Speaker 3: that's a real experience. You are on the same level
Speaker 3: with us as far as like walking with him, we
Speaker 3: got to do some things. This is the same guy
Speaker 3: that a week prior he was on the way to
Speaker 3: Damascus to kill more of them.
Speaker 2: My point is is that it takes a certain amount
Speaker 2: of faith than just to believe that it literally happened.
Speaker 3: Would you disagree with that? Again, when there's coroborating eyewitness stories,
Speaker 3: I feel like it's not so much faith anymore.
Speaker 2: It's only one person laid eyes on Jesus appearing on
Speaker 2: the road to Damascus.
Speaker 3: Take away the light.
Speaker 2: Anything can cause light. Take away the sound, anything can
Speaker 2: cause sound. We're talking about the actual physical flesh shoot
Speaker 2: of you know, the hologram of Jesus whatever.
Speaker 3: It was. Only Paul saw that, nobody else. Okay, you
Speaker 3: have to take that on faith. So again we're talking
Speaker 3: about him coroborating that story with others that saw him
Speaker 3: physically and would know what he's talking about. So just
Speaker 3: I'll give you another example. Sung it out. If I
Speaker 3: if let's say you, Jonathan, you have a homeboy from Arizona.
Speaker 3: The dude I have never met ever in my life.
Speaker 3: I've never seen a picture of him, never seen his face,
Speaker 3: never heard his voice any of these things right ever, ever, ever.
Speaker 3: But you know him pretty well, like you'd be able
Speaker 3: to pick him out of a crowd. You have hung
Speaker 3: out with him for years and years, but y'all kind
Speaker 3: of lost contact. It's been a year since you saw him, right.
Speaker 3: But one day I'm at the airport going somewhere doing
Speaker 3: my thing, and I run into this dude who has
Speaker 3: a Lake Havevisu sweatshirt on, and I start bullshitting with
Speaker 3: him and I'm like, oh my, my homeboy. He spent
Speaker 3: some time over in Lake Havsu. He says it's gorgeous.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh yeah, I've been there for a few years. This, this,
Speaker 3: and this, and we just kind of start chopping it up.
Speaker 3: Come to find out he knows this guy named Jonathan Myers.
Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, oh wait, wait this the Jonathan Myers,
Speaker 3: like big Steelers fan. I'm like, oh yeah, fucking Steelers
Speaker 3: fan for days. He's from Pennsylvania. Blah blah blah, cool
Speaker 3: go cool. Yeah. So we start hanging and we're cool,
Speaker 3: we're talking, then we go our separate ways, okay, And
Speaker 3: I hit you up later on and I'm like, so,
Speaker 3: I just met your homeboy. What's his name? And I
Speaker 3: tell you his name? And you're like, you did not
Speaker 3: meet him. He's in Arizona. There's no are you even
Speaker 3: in Arizona right now? It's like, no, I'm on, I'm
Speaker 3: in a layover in Chicago. I'm in a whole nother
Speaker 3: spot right now beside the point. I know this guy.
Speaker 3: And you're like, Jacob, you have not met this guy.
Speaker 3: I promise you you haven't. I started describing the way
Speaker 3: he looks, the way he talks, all these other things.
Speaker 3: Would you guess and venture to say, oh shit, you
Speaker 3: met my homeboy.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't know why I would not
Speaker 2: believe you, But even if I didn't believe you, I
Speaker 2: would still be able to reach out to said homeboy
Speaker 2: to clarify.
Speaker 3: Let's say, for whatever reason you couldn't get a hold
Speaker 3: of him, for whatever reason, for the sake of this conversation,
Speaker 3: would you at that point probably recognize, let's say he
Speaker 3: had some sort of a crazy face scar, something that's
Speaker 3: like identifying marker that you would know out of anyone else,
Speaker 3: and I said these things and about him, would you
Speaker 3: agree that, oh shit, you definitely had a face to
Speaker 3: face encounter with the guy in question.
Speaker 2: Sure, but I feel like the story that you're trying
Speaker 2: to create here has to go a step farther. You
Speaker 2: would have to say, all right, he's the let's just say,
Speaker 2: oh boy, was my sense?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Let's say he was like it? Would
Speaker 3: you be able to ignowl is based off of my
Speaker 3: description of a guy that I've never physically met, that
Speaker 3: I was talking about the same guy that you have met.
Speaker 3: Would you be able to do that based off of
Speaker 3: a description of him that I would give you yes
Speaker 3: or no?
Speaker 6: Sure?
Speaker 3: Sure? But was everybody everybody that els about the miraculousness
Speaker 3: I'm talking about coroberating stories to see if he actually
Speaker 3: met the physical dude in question. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: If he ever heard any story of Jesus, you would
Speaker 2: be able to garner maybe what he looked like, what
Speaker 2: he sounded like, what did he talk about? You'd be
Speaker 2: able to put two and two together. He was going
Speaker 2: into houses and crushing Christians. I'm pretty sure he got
Speaker 2: a pretty good idea about what they believed to make
Speaker 2: it so blasphemous in the first place. He didn't have
Speaker 2: to go all the way out of left field to
Speaker 2: really just pull this one out of the ether.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 2: He had already heard these stories.
Speaker 3: Got you. So you're saying that he used the testimonies
Speaker 3: of tortured people and use that as ammo to completely
Speaker 3: do a one to eighty and go from being one
Speaker 3: of the most highly exalted dudes his day age to
Speaker 3: being one of the most hated dudes of his day
Speaker 3: and age who would be getting thrown in prison for
Speaker 3: the rest of his life and later be executed for
Speaker 3: his testimony. That was all a part of some grand
Speaker 3: scheme from him.
Speaker 2: My point is is that if there was some word
Speaker 2: of God that literally allegedly was coming from the throat
Speaker 2: of a guy named Jesus, right, and then he dies
Speaker 2: because he fulfilled everything that he was trying to fulfill,
Speaker 2: and YadA, YadA, Right, But then there's a gentleman that
Speaker 2: comes years after and whatever he was doing, Hey, he
Speaker 2: was executing Christians whatever, whatever you get down with, Right,
Speaker 2: It's unfortunate that that was going on, but that's what
Speaker 2: he was doing. But then he decides, oh, I'm going
Speaker 2: to see a vision of Jesus that which nobody else
Speaker 2: can see, but I trust me, Bro, And then I'm
Speaker 2: going to add on top of the story, add on
Speaker 2: top of the jogma. Most of which what makes if
Speaker 2: you think about it, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: Paul's teachings are the same, are the very same things
Speaker 2: that causes most Christians to judge more than anything else.
Speaker 2: Like he he created the judgmental the judgmental.
Speaker 3: Things, which that's taking a lot of what he said,
Speaker 3: Jesus contact Jesus was called that super judgmental shit that
Speaker 3: was Paul. Jesus was judgmental to the Pharisees. But to
Speaker 3: your point, yes, most of the Christians that you've met
Speaker 3: that have been judgmental assholes about it are quoting Paul
Speaker 3: for the most part there or Old Testament things.
Speaker 2: They're barely even Christians. They're pauling ins now, Bro. Is
Speaker 2: my point, that's my whole entire point around all of this,
Speaker 2: is that you are relying on the word of you
Speaker 2: said you call yourself a Christian, but you you are
Speaker 2: essentially you're uh spewing Paul is what you're doing.
Speaker 3: But again, if you're spewing Paul in that way to
Speaker 3: be judgmental. You have missed the entire message, and you
Speaker 3: have missed the entire context, which is needed. You need
Speaker 3: to know the time, the place in the audience when
Speaker 3: reading any section of the Bible.
Speaker 2: My point is is that you know, and beyond just
Speaker 2: the governmental and the religious wars and all that, I'm
Speaker 2: talking about a household to household relationships that people have
Speaker 2: with each other. I'm talking about the parents that won't
Speaker 2: look at their son because of this, or they will
Speaker 2: judge their daughter because of that, or that's not going
Speaker 2: to be in my house.
Speaker 3: Almost all of that is because of Paul. It is
Speaker 3: because of misquoted segments of the overall message. Yes, that's
Speaker 3: my entire point.
Speaker 2: I think we can agree to disagree on if he
Speaker 2: saw Jesus in the flesh or if he didn't. That's fine,
Speaker 2: we can agree to disagree on that. But my whole
Speaker 2: entire point was is that the majority of the Christians
Speaker 2: that I know are more more so followers of Paul
Speaker 2: than they were of Jesus.
Speaker 3: Was not your point. You were trying to prove if
Speaker 3: he actually saw Jesus or not. You're changing tone.
Speaker 2: It's what I'm trying to I'm trying to draw the line,
Speaker 2: that line being that if it wasn't for Paul, we
Speaker 2: wouldn't have a lot of judgment nowadays. And so my
Speaker 2: trying to divide that line of was Paul some kind
Speaker 2: of fucking, you know, bullshitter or was he being honest?
Speaker 2: And we, dude, we hear about anybody else's version of
Speaker 2: any kind of vision. You're taking it with a grain
Speaker 2: of salt. You're not building a religion around it, bro.
Speaker 3: Judgmental things have always been around. Hell, there's people in
Speaker 3: Arab countries right now that will publicly execute a woman
Speaker 3: because her fucking shawl went too high upper calf. That's
Speaker 3: a judgment that was passed down. There were pagan groups
Speaker 3: that would judgmentally, you know, spew their rhetoric and get
Speaker 3: people in trouble or killed or take their land or
Speaker 3: whatever all over the world for millennias because they weren't
Speaker 3: doing their sacrifices the right way or whatever else. Judgmental
Speaker 3: nature is a human nature thing. It's not a good thing.
Speaker 3: For the record, I'm not saying that's something positive that
Speaker 3: has been around well before Christianity.
Speaker 2: Dude, I guess I kind of look at it like this.
Speaker 2: If the New Testament is supposed to be about Jesus, right,
Speaker 2: well it should be.
Speaker 3: Judgmental New Wagers. Do you know because I know quite
Speaker 3: a few.
Speaker 2: Oh everybody has that in them. Everybody does. I'm not
Speaker 2: even just saying that it's only a religious thing. It's
Speaker 2: mainly a religious thing. It's not only a religious thing.
Speaker 3: No, dude's that's even a football thing. Oh you claim
Speaker 3: to be a Stealers fan. Well, how much of a
Speaker 3: Steelers fan are you? From a spiritual perspective is what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about. How much of a man are you?
Speaker 3: Everybody's seeking validation, everybody's trying to check each other. And
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to what context we're talking about, I
Speaker 3: mean from a spiritual perspectives. Where else going with that?
Speaker 3: But I say, I feel like you see mostly Christians
Speaker 3: because we live in a mostly Christian nation. But it's
Speaker 3: not to say that Christians are the only groups that
Speaker 3: are judgmental. And I am saying that the Christians that
Speaker 3: are judgmental, they are misquoting things and they are missing
Speaker 3: the entire point.
Speaker 2: My entire point is is that the book is supposed
Speaker 2: to be about Jesus, So why is the majority of
Speaker 2: it about Paul. It's not about Paul, it's from Paul.
Speaker 3: It is Paul writing to Timothy, writing to the Church
Speaker 3: of Ephesus, writing to the Church of Corinth, writing to
Speaker 3: the churches in Rome, trying to tell them how to
Speaker 3: better follow the way.
Speaker 2: The way of which he added two after Jesus.
Speaker 3: The way that which the other apostles coroborated, and these
Speaker 3: other apostles and their writings.
Speaker 2: Then why they say it, Why did they have to
Speaker 2: rely on Paul?
Speaker 3: They did? They did. They also wrote books in the Bible,
Speaker 3: So what was the use of Paul? This was what
Speaker 3: the council was for. They were taking books written from
Speaker 3: all these sources and seeing which things did line up
Speaker 3: and which things did not line up. That was the point.
Speaker 2: So rely on a guy who saw a vision more
Speaker 2: than the actual people that walked with Jesus, is what
Speaker 2: you're saying.
Speaker 3: The guy who quote unquote saw a vision whose entire
Speaker 3: testimony and all the words he were speaking about him
Speaker 3: coroborated with the guys who actually walked with him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he is seen at that time as a first person source.
Speaker 2: Bro go to any nuthouse, any padded room, where these
Speaker 2: people were taking multiple drugs a day. And I guarantee
Speaker 2: you there is somebody who has seen Jesus, and there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of other nuts in the in the nuthouse
Speaker 2: that will be able to corroborate with that story.
Speaker 3: There's probably a bunch that have also seen Vishnu. There's
Speaker 3: probably a bunch of others that have seen Odin. There's
Speaker 3: probably a bunch of others that have seen the Buddhoh
Speaker 3: what's your point?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 6: My point.
Speaker 3: Nuts seeing things does not make anything more or less valid.
Speaker 3: That's nutcases seeing nutcase things.
Speaker 2: That's my point.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you an even more real life example.
Speaker 3: The Almighty Christie.
Speaker 2: She sees a lot of things in the ether, you know,
Speaker 2: she's always you know, ether surfing whatever she calls it, right,
Speaker 2: and she has she has her group of people there
Speaker 2: that will be able to corroborate with what she's seeing
Speaker 2: on that side. And oh yeah I saw that, Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw that too. I was there, I.
Speaker 3: Was right there with you here, all right. I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: at a certain point you have to believe or not believe,
Speaker 3: and at a certain point, like you have to find
Speaker 3: out How far am I trying to believe in somebody.
Speaker 2: Else's vision of something that can't be corroborated outside of
Speaker 2: other crazies that are trying to corroborate.
Speaker 3: To that point, I understand, we are talking about people
Speaker 3: that physically walked with him that could corroborate the things
Speaker 3: that we're saying, not something that is you know, Oh,
Speaker 3: I had a vision of something that happened a thousand
Speaker 3: years ago. Oh I saw it too. Oh dope, it
Speaker 3: must be real. That's a different conversation, the same conversation
Speaker 3: I had with you about your homeboy that had to
Speaker 3: have a Sioux sweatshirt on. Let's say that he died
Speaker 3: when you were nineteen, right, And I say that I
Speaker 3: saw him at an airport ten years ago or whatever
Speaker 3: the case, five years last week. And you're like, no,
Speaker 3: you literally couldn't have seen this guy like he There's
Speaker 3: no way, no. He looked like this. He had these
Speaker 3: color eyes, he had this tattoo, he had this scar,
Speaker 3: and all these things. He said he knew you from
Speaker 3: this is and this, And you're like, Jacob, you couldn't
Speaker 3: have met this dude because he died. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: he looked like this and he said these things, and
Speaker 3: you're like, wait, how would you know that?
Speaker 6: Yo?
Speaker 3: He told me about this time that you and him
Speaker 3: got like y'all went on the lake and y'all got
Speaker 3: super fucking blitzed and all this happened. This happened. You're like, Jacob,
Speaker 3: how would you know that story? I'm telling you I
Speaker 3: met this guy And you're like, Jacob, he died. There's
Speaker 3: no way you could have This is about what happened
Speaker 3: with the whole Paul coroborating. It's something that like, there's
Speaker 3: no way you physically saw this dude, and it's like,
Speaker 3: well I did so.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not saying that people can't commune
Speaker 2: with the other side. That's literally what menimisteries is about.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's impossible. Amoltics metimistics could catch there, sir,
Speaker 2: that's just not a habit. But my point is is that,
Speaker 2: like I heard this quote the other day that said, uh,
Speaker 2: just because you're dead don't mean you're enlightened, and I
Speaker 2: was like it made me think there for a second,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that actually does kind of check out,
Speaker 2: because how many people they have conversations, you know, via
Speaker 2: tarot cards or channeling or you know whatever, dowsing rods
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you're communicating with a certain entity and
Speaker 2: not all of everybody's on the other side, story all
Speaker 2: check out, Like some of them are very very different, right,
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, it's because like just because you
Speaker 2: die doesn't mean that like you have access to all
Speaker 2: the knowledge that has ever existed. And so anyway, I
Speaker 2: just wanted to throw that story out there. Anyway, we're
Speaker 2: taking up all of this. God is Love. What is
Speaker 2: your thoughts on this?
Speaker 16: Well, in my opinion, just my opinion, what makes a
Speaker 16: Christian is somebody who believes in and follows the teachings
Speaker 16: of Jesus. So, like, to me, you know, Paul's story
Speaker 16: is Paul's story is a Christian, but doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 16: any bearing on my Christianity as a follower of teachings
Speaker 16: of Jesus. Does that make sense? I don't know what
Speaker 16: Jacob would have to say about that, but one.
Speaker 3: Hundred percent agree with you. I think that, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: story of Jesus is the most important one because he
Speaker 3: is the way for salvation. Paul is not the way
Speaker 3: for salvation. Following Paul to the letter will not get
Speaker 3: you into heaven. Following Jesus and his example and listening
Speaker 3: to what he said, well, that's I'm agreeing with you
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Was that a short conversation that Jesus had with Paul?
Speaker 2: Like what was that conversation?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was basically just like, stop stop killing my homeboys, right,
Speaker 3: I guess. So he wasn't divinely inspired by shit because
Speaker 3: he met Jesus. Jesus didn't tell him, hey, add this
Speaker 3: to the story. No, he was just like, yo, I
Speaker 3: met the guy. This is probably what he would have said.
Speaker 3: I got a video I'm gonna send you as a
Speaker 3: matter of fact. It's the life of Paul, and it
Speaker 3: shows you his journey and like where he went on
Speaker 3: each of these expeditions, when he got in touch with
Speaker 3: certain disciples, when the Road to Damascus thing happened. It's
Speaker 3: actually a pretty fascinating video, even if you take it
Speaker 3: as fanfic or as you know, a hero's epic, if
Speaker 3: you will, it's pretty fascinating to look into.
Speaker 2: Okay, spirit animal, you look high as giraffe pussy, sir,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 17: Yeah, sorry, uh oh yeah. I was just gonna say
Speaker 17: so that.
Speaker 4: I actually showed y'all and saved my ass and everything
Speaker 4: I actually did put the picture.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna remind you all about it.
Speaker 3: Way to the bottom of the chat.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: I also believe that the Bible should be taken quite little.
Speaker 5: But yes, Jesus spoke in parables. I believe that he
Speaker 5: did that. So no matter what the context of whatever.
Speaker 4: You can apply this uh, this situation to it so
Speaker 4: that you could better understand how to embrace each other.
Speaker 5: And none to forgive each other.
Speaker 4: But also believe that most people are too ignorant and
Speaker 4: set in their ways to actually fully embrace Jesus.
Speaker 3: I believe that too, And to that point, yeah, he
Speaker 3: spoke in parables for multiple reasons. There was levels to that.
Speaker 3: He was being persecuted by the Pharisees. The Romans weren't
Speaker 3: happy with him either. He was trying to convert people
Speaker 3: that were Jews from the time they were born to
Speaker 3: the time they died into following the way right, teaching
Speaker 3: them that he was the Messaga. He had to do
Speaker 3: things in a very strategic way. And I agree with
Speaker 3: you that the story of the prodigal Son, for instance,
Speaker 3: to look at the deeper context and it shows more meaning.
Speaker 3: But the overall story, even if you don't look at
Speaker 3: the context, still applies as much in twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: as it did in year fifty five. Is the probably
Speaker 3: sonic Is that in the Bible, that's Jesus told this story? Yes?
Speaker 10: Okay.
Speaker 4: Also, if you go back to the tour the first
Speaker 4: five wis look at Moses like he took the Hebrews,
Speaker 4: the Jews and all took them from showed them out
Speaker 4: through the Exodus. Though he was God spoke through Moses
Speaker 4: to get because Moses was too shy or whatever. He
Speaker 4: didn't like the social with everybody, so he used air
Speaker 4: and as his mitigator and everything.
Speaker 3: They say he had a stutter or something. He was
Speaker 3: slow to speech whatever that could mean something.
Speaker 5: They probably started.
Speaker 4: A lot and everything, But he a lot like Jesus
Speaker 4: that he had to speak and everything. How they both
Speaker 4: had the thing where they had to show people. And
Speaker 4: even when they showed people, they were people that would
Speaker 4: still doubt, and even like they would like the Hebrews,
Speaker 4: they saw Moses part of the Red Sea and everything
Speaker 4: and that came down and said this is this, and
Speaker 4: they still didn't quite believe it.
Speaker 3: Bro they saw the plagues they saw the shit, they
Speaker 3: saw the chariots of fire coming down, they saw the
Speaker 3: Red Sea get parted, they get over to safety. Hell yeah,
Speaker 3: first things first, Golden Calf, mind blowing.
Speaker 5: Look at Thomas.
Speaker 4: He's one of the twelve and everything, and he's he
Speaker 4: knows Jesus. He saw him die and saw him and
Speaker 4: was having a full blown conversation with the man and.
Speaker 5: He was like, you're not Jesus. And that's how we
Speaker 5: get the doubt on Thomas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's people are very set in their ways, and
Speaker 3: they are and it's not just one group versus another.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that just will not acknowledge
Speaker 3: what's in front of their face because they don't want to. Hell,
Speaker 3: I've been guilty of that at a time or two
Speaker 3: in my life. I understand, but it's.
Speaker 2: As far as I'm sorry, as far as as the
Speaker 2: Red Sea goes. I I did a little research on
Speaker 2: that because I was just curious, like, was that a
Speaker 2: metaphorical thing or the.
Speaker 3: Ritz chariots on the floor of it? A couple of years.
Speaker 2: Back, and so I looked it up and it says
Speaker 2: the this is from the Smithsonian magazine. It says the
Speaker 2: parting of the Red Sea as described in the Bible,
Speaker 2: may be explained by natural phenomena such as strong winds
Speaker 2: creating a wind set down effect, which could lower water
Speaker 2: levels in one area while pushing water to another, allowing
Speaker 2: a dry path to form. Computer simulations and studies suggest
Speaker 2: that such conditions could have occurred, enabling the Israelites to
Speaker 2: cross safely before the water is returned.
Speaker 3: We're talking about winds that are so strong that they
Speaker 3: pushed the water away and make a dry path from
Speaker 3: one end of this sea, not a river, the Red
Speaker 3: Sea to the other through natural means. Also, if you
Speaker 3: look at the cherry that they found that they carbon
Speaker 3: dated back and all this stuff, it goes back to
Speaker 3: ancient Egypt, and there's no such report of Egyptian chariots
Speaker 3: on a boat ever crossing the Red Sea. The only
Speaker 3: way these chariots could have ended up at the bottom
Speaker 3: of the Red Sea is that they were riding on
Speaker 3: dry land. And it also goes back to the time
Speaker 3: of Ramses a Second, which come to find out they
Speaker 3: have a tomb. I just saw this the other day too.
Speaker 3: So Ramseys a Second did have an adopted brother, his
Speaker 3: name sam Set, I believe, and they built a tomb
Speaker 3: for this guy, expecting that when he dies he would
Speaker 3: be interred as most of the rods were in all this,
Speaker 3: except a body was never actually interred in this tomb.
Speaker 3: There is now a conversation to say that that was
Speaker 3: the Egyptian name gave given to Moses, who led the
Speaker 3: Hebrews out of captivity and all the things. So yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of historical precedents that these figures absolutely
Speaker 3: did live and die and walk the earth in the
Speaker 3: man of which the Old Testament New Testaments say they did.
Speaker 2: Oh man, we went to Balls Deep tonight.
Speaker 3: That was a fun one.
Speaker 2: I just and for the record, I'm not trying to,
Speaker 2: you know, dissuade your beliefs by any means. Whenever I'm
Speaker 2: going into that, I was just trying. I was just
Speaker 2: trying to make a point that there is It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe we should listen to Jesus more than Paul,
Speaker 2: who was never actually even round during that time.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make that point. But anyway, we
Speaker 2: missed out on a lot of things. I guess I
Speaker 2: can hurry up and run through some of these real quick.
Speaker 2: Dirty Sanchez said. Good evening scumbags. I'm late, but I
Speaker 2: made it. Thank you Lord for another week of Shenanigan's
Speaker 2: and a budding family slash friend environment. Hell yeah, God
Speaker 2: is Love said, I don't know that cheerleader for the
Speaker 2: Vikings is beyond gay?
Speaker 3: Oh is there a male cheerleader for the Vikings? You're
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 6: Joke?
Speaker 3: He's a vi queen bro. No, I thought that was
Speaker 3: a thing for the Internet. That's a real thing. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't doubt it. Oh Lord, Okay, Umm, Spirit animals said,
Speaker 3: I love you. I love all you badass motherfuckers.
Speaker 2: May you all obtain happiness and may your bellies be
Speaker 2: full in your wallet's fat.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah amen. Luke said, I'm just gonna put it
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 2: Ninety five percent of UFOs are government MICHAELA said, I agree,
Speaker 2: but just out of curiosity. What do you think the
Speaker 2: remaining five percent are? I personally have theories, but I
Speaker 2: have no idea. Luke says, orbs are the outlier. White
Speaker 2: Boy Wizard said, dude, the last one I saw was
Speaker 2: literally like fucking Star Wars. After seeing them my whole life,
Speaker 2: my mom and extended family were poking fun at Christmas because, uh,
Speaker 2: because I had seen some Christmas Eve, but a few
Speaker 2: months later, my mom and sister were with me in
Speaker 2: butt Fuck, Oregon when we drove under When we drove
Speaker 2: under one that was wider than both sides of the freeway,
Speaker 2: two red lights in the center shut off, A huge
Speaker 2: ring of white ones turned on. It spun a slow
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty degrees, then disappeared into the stars,
Speaker 2: completely silent, leaving a visible streak in the night sky.
Speaker 2: Shit was fucking awesome. Scared my mom and sister to tears.
Speaker 2: All I could do was laugh and say, I fucking
Speaker 2: told you so. What a great story. I love that.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I dig it, I love it.
Speaker 2: Let's see spirit animal said su Tomo. Yamaguchi survived both nukesdrops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really bad luck, but he did in
Speaker 3: fact survive both.
Speaker 2: Tony said, tomorrow we got to talk about the flotilla,
Speaker 2: the UN General Assembly and Erna.
Speaker 3: Zerutska Marina Zerutska. Hold on, I'm writing those down, Tony,
Speaker 3: because we're gonna talk about those on the cage and
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacob's like, how could I be a fed I
Speaker 2: drive a minivan.
Speaker 3: Bro, I'm still pissed that I couldn't find a minivan.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not mad. I gotta you wanted to
Speaker 3: get a minivan? Yeah, I mean I like the car
Speaker 3: that I got, but damn it, I wanted a fucking
Speaker 3: mom van. I was gonna pop out there with some
Speaker 3: fresh white new Balance, some khaki shorts, cell phone clipped
Speaker 3: on the outside of the belt, Polo tucked in.
Speaker 2: Come on now, so I couldn't save some pussy for
Speaker 2: the rest of us.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 3: Oh Bro, if I would have thrown a fanny pack on,
Speaker 3: it had been fucking over son. Although god, yeah, we've
Speaker 3: talked about this too. The new Vaults Wagon micro buses,
Speaker 3: the new edition of them. Yes, I'm really feeling like
Speaker 3: that might be my next car purchase once this one ships.
Speaker 3: The bed those things are fucking pilled. Yeah they are,
Speaker 3: Yeah they are. That's pure sex appeal for real.
Speaker 2: Luke said, literally half of anime character masks look like that,
Speaker 2: talking about oh the picture of the Oh, okay, I
Speaker 2: can see where you're going with that.
Speaker 3: Then I can definitely see where you're going. The nose
Speaker 3: doesn't look like Pinocchio. That that looks more. Uh, it's
Speaker 3: well like another thing, the little hat. The is those glasses.
Speaker 2: If only it was a cube that was on top,
Speaker 2: you know, Oh.
Speaker 3: Dude, that would have Yeah, that would have been the
Speaker 3: death stroke.
Speaker 4: I mean, so y'all can understand why I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I absolutely can see the connection that you're drawing on that.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying for sure that that's clearly Japanese people
Speaker 3: being anti Semitic. I'm saying that I could see the
Speaker 3: images being portrayed for sure.
Speaker 4: And they're described as malevolent beings and they like to
Speaker 4: hold things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, god damn no, no, oh japan you assholes.
Speaker 5: They like, I'm not making this shit up. And I
Speaker 5: even I feel dirty just saying.
Speaker 2: This, and they always want a discount.
Speaker 3: Oh man, um spirit animals said, y'all want pumpkin spice.
Speaker 3: I want tacos with spicy salsa. We are not the same.
Speaker 3: I want both.
Speaker 2: The other day, I went over to Starbucks, got me
Speaker 2: a delicious pumpkin spice frappuccino, and it was the best
Speaker 2: thing that I've had as a sip of drink since
Speaker 2: last year, whenever I had the last pumpkin spice.
Speaker 3: The past few mornings, it's gotten down to like seventy
Speaker 3: five in the early morning. Somebody said it's gonna get
Speaker 3: to sixty next week, so fall on us. That's right.
Speaker 3: That being said, I am still waiting until October and
Speaker 3: November to have my one yearly sip of something pumpkin spice.
Speaker 3: It's you know me, I have one sip. I've got
Speaker 3: my fix, and I'm done for the rest of the year.
Speaker 3: Catch me next fall.
Speaker 14: Dude.
Speaker 3: Remember when we went to Windy's and we got the
Speaker 3: pumpkin spice frosty. Yeah, that thing was delicious, but that
Speaker 3: was the thing like after that was done, like I
Speaker 3: was over pumpkin spice. It's it's a one and done
Speaker 3: for me, and I'm I understand why people get down
Speaker 3: on it though. For sure.
Speaker 2: Oh, speaking of the season's changing, we have the the
Speaker 2: autumn is it equinox? Autumn equinox is September twenty second,
Speaker 2: also known as Mabin, So maybe that's the stud fall.
Speaker 3: I will say the harvest moon tonight was gorgeous. I
Speaker 3: saw it coming up earlier. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that shit that's been going on for a
Speaker 2: couple of nights. Dean said. The UFO shows this week
Speaker 2: were great, dude, I yeah, I need to get on that.
Speaker 2: Spirit Animal said, but Galita hand his brothers were giant.
Speaker 2: Oh I'm guessing that's supposed to be Goliath.
Speaker 13: Uh.
Speaker 5: I messed up and I was typing too fast. I apologize.
Speaker 2: It's okay, Spirit Animal, said Peter cut. A man with
Speaker 2: a sword over Jesus Simon was a jelat a zelot rather,
Speaker 2: may the blessed herb guide you good night.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's the event where Thomas became known as Doubting Thomas.
Speaker 3: I believe the Bible is meant to be taken literal. Okay,
Speaker 3: we're caught up. Yeah, now, for sure, there was definitely
Speaker 3: some some bloodshed in the name of the of the dude,
Speaker 3: and I think Simon being the zel It is also
Speaker 3: one of my favorite disciples on some real shit. He
Speaker 3: went from being a trained assassin to dropping his weapons
Speaker 3: and following this new Jesus guy. And if you look
Speaker 3: at his story in particular, it's it's pretty inspiring. It
Speaker 3: really is. I mean, I'm not saying that it didn't
Speaker 3: take a lot for the fishermen to leave their craft
Speaker 3: and their livelihood and follow this guy, but we're talking
Speaker 3: about a guy who was like a trained assassin who
Speaker 3: had one mission on this earth, and after one encounter
Speaker 3: he's like, yeah, I'm done with that. I'm all about
Speaker 3: that peace and love jargon now. And it's like, you
Speaker 3: know what, Oh no, I like this guy.
Speaker 2: You know anyway, solid spirit animal. We need our send out, Sir.
Speaker 5: Test Fullo, have your blessed be the Chaos Muscle from
Speaker 5: the Quick Boys.
Speaker 3: Much love, samye um. Yeah, that was that was the
Speaker 3: most underwhelming ye yee I've ever heard in my life.
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Speaker 2: was not born in Louisiana. I wasn't even born in
Speaker 2: the South, so I kind of almost have to say
Speaker 2: it without exaggeration.
Speaker 3: You have been in the South longer than you've been
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