Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
Speaker 1: s e O and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.
Speaker 3: I never seen anything.
Speaker 2: And it's the laps fan man like the one in
Speaker 2: the ring.
Speaker 3: Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing. When
Speaker 3: the bell goes in the kick like me throwing in
Speaker 3: the corner, but gets rash like stick even Jerry King
Speaker 3: gets take off. The crowd nodded in his head like
Speaker 3: its Steve low Brown. Would you get low down? We
Speaker 3: go even high up?
Speaker 4: Flipp you on your head, but you know cool driver,
Speaker 4: you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more
Speaker 4: shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth
Speaker 4: than the con of sniper unless you with a coconut
Speaker 4: Roddy Pipper Jack a JP. He like j h D
Speaker 4: drop the cupcakes and gold the brain Bob means the
Speaker 4: best podcast Frost start the close cloud if you are
Speaker 4: it's a five second polls.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to w c W.
Speaker 5: SID Basically ship man, it's Vince and you know better
Speaker 5: than this shit. We don't book a flight and a
Speaker 5: match on the same day that you're arriving England, so
Speaker 5: we go over there. We fly in the frank fot
Speaker 5: driven and stuff. We have to drive driving an hour
Speaker 5: whatever we go do this show.
Speaker 6: We got to drive.
Speaker 5: H We drove like three hours, excuse me, like three
Speaker 5: hours to show off an airplane, got to the building,
Speaker 5: we did the show. After the show, we had like
Speaker 5: a three or four hours drive, maybe even five back
Speaker 5: to the hotel where we stand at Frankfurt, and you know, hey,
Speaker 5: everybody's on the fucking bus. You start taking pills, you
Speaker 5: have a few drinks. You know, shit start getting heated.
Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, everybody talking about this motherfucker making money.
Speaker 5: That motherfucker making money. Rick Flair on Anderson started talking
Speaker 5: about Flair this that the money she started gotting heated ship.
Speaker 5: Next thing you know, we get back to the hotel,
Speaker 5: flying on Anderson bitch and wanting. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 5: beers flying across the table, the dylaner, the rental copy
Speaker 5: and they're trying to break motherfuckers up up. They sell
Speaker 5: that ship down. Some more shit fly. The next thing
Speaker 5: you know, Sid throws the fucking beer, Doug sending the
Speaker 5: guys to the room. Everybody's like fuck it. Everybody goes
Speaker 5: to the room. Ship I'm up there getting hashed out,
Speaker 5: ship smoking big hash and shut. But I hear somebody.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what the fuck somebody fainting. I'm thinking it's Vader.
Speaker 5: I'm like, God, damn it, Vader off his starting shit
Speaker 5: with somebody again.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: So I'm like, you know, scorp, I'm about the only
Speaker 5: motherfucker calming down, bringing back, like, hey, man, just leave
Speaker 5: it alone. So I go over to the Vader. Shit,
Speaker 5: I ain't the mother fuckering through the door. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: I go down the heading ship. I go down the steps.
Speaker 5: I see blood gall over, blood on the left, blood
Speaker 5: on the right, blood all down the fucking hallway. Shit,
Speaker 5: I'll keep on walking. I get down to the fucking
Speaker 5: hend the hallway. I'm not even the goddamn child. I
Speaker 5: get down there. Man, Iron, Anders and Sivis down their brawl,
Speaker 5: and they covered the fucking blood. Sid Vicious got the
Speaker 5: sizs got Iron Andison boy the hair. He's booting him
Speaker 5: in the fucking face, stamping him with the scizzors every
Speaker 5: which way, every place he can fuck of stamp. Arn
Speaker 5: Anderson got blood just spitting down like a fucking horror movie.
Speaker 5: And shit, man, so I was like, Damn, finally I
Speaker 5: see Seeing kicking Arn Anderson nose doesn't want a He
Speaker 5: turned straight the fuck up, and I'm like, Damn, I
Speaker 5: jumped in boom, push him a partner.
Speaker 6: Shit.
Speaker 5: Arn Anderson kind of falls against the wall from half
Speaker 5: drunk and half locks of blood and shit.
Speaker 6: You know, he kind of stumbles against the wall. Seeing
Speaker 6: kind of steps back.
Speaker 5: He looks at me, and I just stepped back in
Speaker 5: my stands like Damn said, I don't have to take
Speaker 5: you down. You know what I'm saying, But they she
Speaker 5: gotta stop. Sid just looked at me, freaked out, ran
Speaker 5: toward the back door. The door was locked. He kicked
Speaker 5: the motherfucker, shout at the fucking door, fucking pushed it open,
Speaker 5: ran out. He scooped around to the front and Vader
Speaker 5: just having to be sitting down there wife tried to
Speaker 5: call his wife and stuff down in his underwear and
Speaker 5: and and endland and in Germany, Man they locked the
Speaker 5: doors at twelve o'clock, one o'clock. If you're not back
Speaker 5: in the hotel, they locked the door, you have to
Speaker 5: buzz them they let you back in. So Seeing runs around.
Speaker 5: Vader's down in the lobby. See it runs into the
Speaker 5: fucking door. Shit, the door open, the sied It just
Speaker 5: fucking kicks the fucking door. The glass fucking shatter. He
Speaker 5: walks through the fucking glass, vanishing. They're freaking out there.
Speaker 5: The toples and holds him down, sit and spitting blood
Speaker 5: from his stomach and everything and stuff. You know, Man
Speaker 5: Rich the guys off, his guys all up in there.
Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, they fighting on the first floor.
Speaker 5: I mean right down by Rick Flair, Ricky Steve Boat's room,
Speaker 5: and I mean these guys are supposed to be their
Speaker 5: buddies and not one of these chicken shit motherfuckers.
Speaker 6: Mok.
Speaker 5: After goddamn room, I'm up born to goddamn set the
Speaker 5: floor and I gotta come down and break the shit up.
Speaker 6: That's bullshit.
Speaker 5: And then I'm not even office, but yet amulance police
Speaker 5: come up. They rope the shit off man, like this
Speaker 5: a damn murder case, you know what I'm saying. Next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, these guys going to the hospitals, and me
Speaker 5: and one of the office guys going to the hospital
Speaker 5: with them.
Speaker 6: So I'm over here filling out.
Speaker 5: Papers for him, filling our papers for sick and the
Speaker 5: real name the address the whole nine yard doing the
Speaker 5: same thing for Sid on this side.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying, So seas you got to have exploratory surgery, you know,
Speaker 5: arms got to get passed up from head to toe.
Speaker 5: Dan there and shit with all these damn pests. They
Speaker 5: end up staying there for a week, two weeks, we
Speaker 5: move on. Next thing, you know, they end up going
Speaker 5: back home and they want to press charge. You want
Speaker 5: to lock the guys up. Hey, that was it, man?
Speaker 8: So I guess Sid's back in the territory. Who was
Speaker 8: that too cold Scorpio?
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I've never heard her speak.
Speaker 8: I was wondering if just my context clues you might
Speaker 8: pick it up. But yeah, smoking big hash. I feel
Speaker 8: like there have been a lot of people who you know,
Speaker 8: but Jesus Christ, that's a fucking riot. What do you
Speaker 8: know about the cid arn Anderson's stabbing incident?
Speaker 3: Uh, only what we've talked about in the past. You know,
Speaker 3: I know that it happened. I know I know that
Speaker 3: there's it's a I think, if I remember correctly, it's
Speaker 3: a little bit different than what legend would have you believe.
Speaker 3: I don't know why exactly, but I remember when we
Speaker 3: did Starkad, that Starkad ninety three that there was it
Speaker 3: was like it wasn't as it wasn't as one sided
Speaker 3: as as it seems.
Speaker 8: So let me ask you what a tribute to Sid
Speaker 8: and our arrival here on his chronology to his return
Speaker 8: to WCW in nineteen ninety three be a good time
Speaker 8: to perform a TLF autopsy on said matter.
Speaker 3: I would say there's no better time.
Speaker 8: And is it improper of me to refer to it
Speaker 8: as an autopsy considering both sliced each other open?
Speaker 3: I think there's no more appropriate term.
Speaker 8: This is fine, right, this is wrestling, so we have
Speaker 8: to we have to emphasize that, you know, Sid was
Speaker 8: nice to his grandkids over the fact that he nearly
Speaker 8: killed arn Anderson. Yeah, it's fine because we want to
Speaker 8: like Sid if if well, I don't know want to
Speaker 8: like Sid, but I mean, you know, the bottom line
Speaker 8: is it's wrestling, so so physical brutality and.
Speaker 3: You know, disregard for human life, disregard for human life
Speaker 3: and just sheer acts of violence are acceptable because it's
Speaker 3: fake and therefore, you know, how can it really hurt them?
Speaker 3: Even behind the scenes. That's so true.
Speaker 8: Yeah, when wrestlers really engage in an actual fight, it
Speaker 8: still kind of lands in the fans' minds and memories.
Speaker 8: Is just another fake squabble, you know, something that's more
Speaker 8: about legend and high spots than it is about the
Speaker 8: fact that, No, this is no longer bullshit, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8: This is now a referendum on the characters of the
Speaker 8: individuals involved. And if you're Sid, if he wasn't the
Speaker 8: box office attraction he was, and wasn't able to command
Speaker 8: the money he was able to command, this sends his career.
Speaker 8: If he's even anywhere close to the mid card or
Speaker 8: the opening card he does something like this, you can
Speaker 8: forget about it. Yeah, And so, of course, no examination
Speaker 8: of the unique and remarkable career of Sid Uty as
Speaker 8: we're continuing to embark upon here on the lapsed Fan
Speaker 8: would be complete that a strict hard pause on nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety three, when, as we talked about last time, Sid
Speaker 8: has exited WWF in the spring of nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 8: after main eventing with Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania and Boss
Speaker 8: There's nothing more Sid than main eventing with Hogan at
Speaker 8: Mania and saying, fuck this, I'm out of here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly, No, that's that's completely accurate.
Speaker 8: I'd much rather go to a territory that's on its ass,
Speaker 8: can barely put a thousand people in a building, if
Speaker 8: not five hundred in some towns. But it's still, you know,
Speaker 8: issuing checks that rely, that arrive in a predictable and
Speaker 8: steady manner in the mailbox, regardless of what I do
Speaker 8: or don't do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, you know, the less reliable what you
Speaker 3: do in the ring, providing the most reliable you know,
Speaker 3: reimbursement of your talents and terms of financial gain is.
Speaker 3: Of course, that's the way it should be.
Speaker 8: I mean, if two Cold's version is to be believed,
Speaker 8: and for what it's worth, when he was alive, Sid
Speaker 8: did lend some creed to Scorpio's version, if only because
Speaker 8: he recalls Scorpio being around during the actual squabble with Arn,
Speaker 8: whereas a lot of other people like Vader were on
Speaker 8: the periphery and not eyewitnesses to the damn thing. Although
Speaker 8: I don't know how two Cold squares the fact that
Speaker 8: he saw Vader snoring like a mammoth in his hotel
Speaker 8: room and then later, Scorpio's down in the lobby in
Speaker 8: Vader's in his underwear talking to his wife on the payphone.
Speaker 8: I don't know how both can be possible within the
Speaker 8: span of a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: But well, I mean it's Vader.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's impossible because it is Vader.
Speaker 3: I mean, I see, this is the thing. I think
Speaker 3: it's impossible and possible because it's.
Speaker 8: Vader, and Vader certainly has his version. I mean, this
Speaker 8: is so Vader. Where's my credit for neither guy catching
Speaker 8: a murder charge because I plug a hole in Sid
Speaker 8: Vicious his stomach in the lobby. Vader wants to know
Speaker 8: why this whole thing isn't about him.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's wrong, you know, I
Speaker 3: think I think Vader has every right to make every
Speaker 3: you know, every single major behind the scenes squabble about him.
Speaker 3: And of course, I mean because if he's listen, the
Speaker 3: more tension he gets, possibly the more money he gets,
Speaker 3: and then the more food he can eat, the more
Speaker 3: he can eat.
Speaker 8: However, you know, choose to define it whatever a metaphor
Speaker 8: you want to put for eat.
Speaker 3: The massive thing about it, you know, that's just it
Speaker 3: right there, if anything provides potential, you know, sustenence, you know,
Speaker 3: then he's he's going to do it, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: manish it and we're going to do it.
Speaker 8: And the reason, as you mentioned that this last came
Speaker 8: up in the TLF ten year catalog with Stark ninety
Speaker 8: three was because, let's not forget, part of Sid's return
Speaker 8: to WDCW nineteen ninety three was basically being programmed in
Speaker 8: to win the world title and headlines Stark nineteen ninety
Speaker 8: three against Vader. Ultimately, that title shot went to a
Speaker 8: returning Rick Flair, who finishes up with the World Wrestling
Speaker 8: Federation about eight to nine months, maybe ten months after
Speaker 8: Sid leaves the WWF and comes back to WCW in
Speaker 8: time to close out nineteen ninety three in North Carolina,
Speaker 8: winning the championship from Vader in one of the most
Speaker 8: memorable matches and moments in WCW history. But we cannot
Speaker 8: forget that originally it was to be the battle of
Speaker 8: the Masters of the power bomb, Sid versus Vader. We
Speaker 8: most recently Bozie recalled that a Clash of the Champions
Speaker 8: where Sid and Vader were tag teaming. They did that
Speaker 8: Beach Blast with that horrible fucking mini movie in the
Speaker 8: Exploding Boat and all that nonsense, great shit, great shit
Speaker 8: with Sting and Davy Boys Smith and others, and that
Speaker 8: was all nineteen ninety three. Nineteen ninety three was the
Speaker 8: absolute doldrums for World Championship Wrestling and led to the
Speaker 8: transition from the Bill Watts experiment to Eric Bischoff gaining
Speaker 8: power in kind of a head scratching moment for so
Speaker 8: many in the business, who you thought that they would
Speaker 8: pick someone with more tenure and more pedigree in terms
Speaker 8: of running a wrestling operation. But it speaks to kind
Speaker 8: of how how much they were throwing up their hands
Speaker 8: that an announcer who talked a good game and who
Speaker 8: understood the language of television and sales got this hugely
Speaker 8: influential position atop WCW, essentially running the entire TV operation.
Speaker 8: But that that's where WCW was in nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 8: and in a lot of ways, Sid's returned to WCW.
Speaker 8: What was part and parcel of defining the earliest days
Speaker 8: of the Eric Bischoff regime, because this is basically one
Speaker 8: of the first disciplinary matters that Eric Bischoff had to handle.
Speaker 8: So this is the WCW that or we came to
Speaker 8: know during the boom period, just starting to form with
Speaker 8: Sid there at the helm, you know, commanding a high
Speaker 8: salary and commanding basically everyone's respect, because well, let let
Speaker 8: let's level set. What do you recall, even if in
Speaker 8: vague broad strokes about why these two started fighting too
Speaker 8: cold there in the clipping relaters from an RF video
Speaker 8: shoot interview, by the way, did intimate a bit of it?
Speaker 8: Why do you think they ended up stabbing each other?
Speaker 3: I I I don't. If you don't remember, that's that,
Speaker 3: that's there were some squabble and I know that you
Speaker 3: know it ended up with pain, end up with paying.
Speaker 8: SID comes in with big money, big money, big promises,
Speaker 8: and then kind of even renegotiates for even more money
Speaker 8: shortly before they go in this European tour in October.
Speaker 8: And that's pissing off the Rick Flair R and Anderson
Speaker 8: camp as you can imagine, who have no love lost
Speaker 8: for a Sid that they, as we've talked about earlier
Speaker 8: in our SID tribute, had no They were hardly impressed
Speaker 8: with Sid's run through the Four Horsemen. Let's put it
Speaker 8: that way. Even though Rick Flair ultimately ends up following
Speaker 8: Sid to the WWF, and thus that big brother little
Speaker 8: brother syndrome that Sid tried to talk about Flair in
Speaker 8: the context of when you would shoot interviews looking back
Speaker 8: continues even now Sid's back, and again he's getting paid
Speaker 8: more than everybody else, and so there's some resentment about that.
Speaker 8: And Sid is not one to shy away from really
Speaker 8: bragging about how the money he's making and being paid
Speaker 8: is completely justified, completely deserved, because he's an actual stupor
Speaker 8: star and all the rest of these guys are Jay
Speaker 8: Browns basically, and he's saying about Rick Flair in this squabble,
Speaker 8: this verbal argument with Arn Anderson. I heard two called
Speaker 8: talk about Rick Flair being there. I'm not quite sure
Speaker 8: he was actually there. He may have been, he certainly
Speaker 8: wasn't in the mix and hasn't talked about as somebody
Speaker 8: that was an eyewitness to or participant in the fight.
Speaker 8: It seems like when this is talked about, it's just
Speaker 8: an argument between Sit and Arn. But everyone who does
Speaker 8: tell the story does talk about everyone being really kind
Speaker 8: of loose and boozed up from these long bus rides.
Speaker 8: Whereas we'll talk about bus there was no one making
Speaker 8: sure there wasn't alcohol on the bus. Let's put it
Speaker 8: that way.
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand these guys. These guys, you know,
Speaker 3: they have a requirement and you know they have a necessity,
Speaker 3: and that is when you are when you are traveling
Speaker 3: that you need to be loaded.
Speaker 8: Yeah, especially when you go on a European tour.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is just so long.
Speaker 8: I mean, how can we possibly fly for six hours
Speaker 8: without getting completely shit faced?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: I mean doesn't everybody do that? Yes?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Doesn't everybody you know just just completely collapse from a
Speaker 8: willpower perspective at the thought of a transatlantic flight. I mean,
Speaker 8: where's the piece? I mean, I don't understand why this
Speaker 8: isn't acceptable and forgivable with a crew of professional wrestlers
Speaker 8: witness the Clean Ride from Hell in the w w
Speaker 8: A as well, it's all fine.
Speaker 3: It's all yeah, it's and it's normal human behavior.
Speaker 8: I mean, is it normal, as Scorpio describes basically blood
Speaker 8: streaked walls in this hotel in England?
Speaker 3: Yes, in the hallways, yes I have. Haven't you ever
Speaker 3: see the shining?
Speaker 8: I mean, Sid is kind of Jack Nicholson esque in
Speaker 8: this story.
Speaker 3: Yes he is, Yeah, he is he's he's definitely been
Speaker 3: held up a little too long, And.
Speaker 8: He would go on to say that basically, as far
Speaker 8: as he knows and can discern, the psycho Sid character
Speaker 8: he would go on to portray in w WF in
Speaker 8: no small part going back to WWF because he wouldn't
Speaker 8: be long for World Championship Wrestling after doing this. Needless
Speaker 8: to say, the idea that he was psycho in some
Speaker 8: way stems from this. Now, we did kind of sort
Speaker 8: of debunk that as he comes to the ring at
Speaker 8: WrestleMania eight.
Speaker 3: We played yeah play, I mean, they call him psycho
Speaker 3: Sid Justice.
Speaker 8: So they thought he was psycho way before he nearly
Speaker 8: killed arn Anderson. You know, it's definitely a proof point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll take that.
Speaker 8: Definitely doesn't reduce the case anyway. This is an argument
Speaker 8: between Sid and Arn over what's wrong with WCW. As
Speaker 8: Sid likes to get in fights about what's wrong with
Speaker 8: the company. So it's never his salary. By the way,
Speaker 8: it's a booking argument. It's a booking argument, yes, and
Speaker 8: Sid makes and we'll get down to what parties involved,
Speaker 8: and eyewitnesses said. He said, basically makes a flippant comment
Speaker 8: about how old men like Rick Flair need to get
Speaker 8: out of the way, and then this company might actually
Speaker 8: be able to pave the path forward. Of course, Sid's
Speaker 8: coming from New York, so so is Flair. But you
Speaker 8: know he's coming from New York, so he's walking around
Speaker 8: talking about how much better they do things over there
Speaker 8: and how much more professionalized they are.
Speaker 3: Which is hilarious because why'd you leave?
Speaker 8: Yeah, because they wanted a fucking drug test and that's why.
Speaker 8: And as much as a common narrative wants to hold
Speaker 8: that Sid leaves WCW in nineteen ninety three because of
Speaker 8: this incident, a close examination of the chronology reveals that
Speaker 8: they certainly weren't. The ww brass certainly wasn't beyond trying
Speaker 8: to negotiate to keep Sid, even for he really fully
Speaker 8: killed arn Anderson. Really yes, and that you know nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety three, right, who gets indicted in November nineteen ninety
Speaker 8: three on steroid distribution allegations?
Speaker 3: Not me?
Speaker 8: Yes, Uh, the major companies are from the pressure and
Speaker 8: they're drug testing. Not ill we start talking about testing regimes,
Speaker 8: is said, booking the next flight out of town. Me
Speaker 8: thinks so, and is he trying to reverse engineer reasons
Speaker 8: to leave that have nothing to do with drug testing.
Speaker 3: Yes, he is. I want to play softball. I don't
Speaker 3: want to play it now, I want to play yesterday. Ah,
Speaker 3: don't need to test. I'm not authorized to test.
Speaker 8: No, no, we want to asking you said to administer
Speaker 8: the test. You must misunderstand. I'm here if I have
Speaker 8: to test others, but I will not test myself. I
Speaker 8: will test your will I have already tested my limits.
Speaker 8: I will test your tolerance for absurdity in the boardroom.
Speaker 8: Isn't it kind of bizarre that for such a softball enthusiast,
Speaker 8: Sid did nothing but play hard ball behind the scenes
Speaker 8: in his wrestling career.
Speaker 3: Very true, So we're going to.
Speaker 8: Get another example, another exhibit of the character of the man.
Speaker 8: One would call this defining, Others would call this the exception.
Speaker 8: But regardless, it's one of the more infamous things to
Speaker 8: ever happen in a major wrestling organization in terms of
Speaker 8: backstage fights that reach kind of a insane levels. Just
Speaker 8: just really that it got this far and scissors got involved,
Speaker 8: It's just incredible. I mean, Arn's got a trim his beard, right,
Speaker 8: I mean he's got to bring scissors on the road.
Speaker 8: Come on, arn, can you make sure trim and his beard.
Speaker 3: Sitting in the bathroom, you know, like just just fucking
Speaker 3: trimming away.
Speaker 8: Just hear the snip, snip snip, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 8: oh damn, just these scraggly hairs. He's not satisfied until
Speaker 8: everything's relatively equal.
Speaker 3: Everything exactly, not just that, that's exactly it. You know,
Speaker 3: he cannot stand any sort of like extra length hair.
Speaker 8: On his face like a pro wrestler with fucking fluorescent
Speaker 8: lighting in a cheap England hotel room with the lighting
Speaker 8: on the mirror in the bathroom, no shirt on and
Speaker 8: a white towel or other ways trimming their beard at
Speaker 8: like one point thirty in the morning. Is that is
Speaker 8: that him trimming? Or is that Sid stabbing?
Speaker 3: No, that's that's that's trimming.
Speaker 8: So let me ask you when it comes to Sid
Speaker 8: stabbing arm, what would that be downed Blike, I mean,
Speaker 8: you're so good at making stab noises that I have
Speaker 8: the feeling that it just traumatizes you. And that's your
Speaker 8: way of dealing with it.
Speaker 3: The thought of stating yes, the idea of a listen,
Speaker 3: there there are yes in terms of violent ways to
Speaker 3: go it's like the least the like I can't can
Speaker 3: handle just fucking shoot me, all right, Like I seriously,
Speaker 3: because the idea of being stabbed, unless you get stabbed
Speaker 3: in the right spot in the right time, it's not instant,
Speaker 3: it's not instant, and I can't handle that.
Speaker 8: I mean, looking to see his eyes, is that a
Speaker 8: man capable?
Speaker 3: Yes? Us, yes, yes, he is, he is. Uh, he is,
Speaker 3: he is capable like you never And this.
Speaker 8: Is a dark story, a dark, dark, dark story, like
Speaker 8: you know, you know the story of already Lang somewhat,
Speaker 8: you know, like in twenty ten he.
Speaker 3: He he how many? It's like I think he was
Speaker 3: found in his apartment with like ten self inflicted stab wounds.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Like like that's the thing, like, as
Speaker 3: you know, like I can't, I can't handle that. If ten,
Speaker 3: if ten, If you stab yourself ten times and you're
Speaker 3: not dead, it's not a good way. It's not good
Speaker 3: for the victim.
Speaker 8: I want you to consider the sixth one, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean? Oh exactly, Like you know this is
Speaker 8: this the end? No, we're just halfway there. So welcome
Speaker 8: to the latest chapter in the TLF Tribute to sid
Speaker 8: As he returns to World Championship Wrestling after a truncated
Speaker 8: WWF run that still forms core memories for us Hasbro kids,
Speaker 8: and I think plays no small role in why there
Speaker 8: was such a far and wide rounds of tribute to
Speaker 8: Sid's career upon his passing his untimely passing due to
Speaker 8: cancer according to his family this year or just a
Speaker 8: few weeks ago. And so we're looking at this nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety three really through the lens of the stabbing incident,
Speaker 8: which characterized it largely, but there's a bit more to say.
Speaker 8: I think about the impact that Sid had upon returning
Speaker 8: to WCW, because he's taken up on his offers and
Speaker 8: entreaties over the years to actually play a role in
Speaker 8: booking and coming up with characters for wrestlers and trying
Speaker 8: to be somebody that's kind of front office a little bit.
Speaker 8: What's unfortunate for Sid is he kind of reaches this
Speaker 8: agreement with Cowboy Bill Watts, who was running WCW at
Speaker 8: the time Sid came back on the market after leaving
Speaker 8: WWF and early ninety two is referenced similar to Rick Flair,
Speaker 8: who was negotiating with Bill Watts to make the return,
Speaker 8: but by the time the returns happen. Bill Watts is
Speaker 8: gone for reasons discussed at Nauseam, including as you mentioned,
Speaker 8: on the Starkaed Memorial tour. And so now Sid's here,
Speaker 8: but fortunately he still has an ally in Oli Anderson,
Speaker 8: who we've established, dating all the way back to the
Speaker 8: Skyscraper days, is a huge mark for Sid. I mean,
Speaker 8: I don't think that's overstating it. Well, let's just put
Speaker 8: it this way. When Oley was asked on some of
Speaker 8: his shoot interviews about the city, he said he liked
Speaker 8: the guy.
Speaker 3: Which you know, if you know Ollie Anderson, you know
Speaker 3: that's like, that's huge.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Sid's on like a short list with Stan Hanson
Speaker 8: and like three other guys who aren't complete shitheads according
Speaker 8: to Anderson, and he's got the book. While Eric Bischoff
Speaker 8: is in charge of production as executive vice president or VP.
Speaker 8: However they whatever terminology they used, Bischoff really only had
Speaker 8: jurisdiction or dominion, if you will, over the look and
Speaker 8: feel the television product, how they would shoot it, where
Speaker 8: they would shoot at, how they would budget the production
Speaker 8: staff and the trucks and the cameras and the graphics
Speaker 8: and all that stuff. A key role to be sure,
Speaker 8: but he's not back there, you know, handing wrestlers finishes
Speaker 8: and deciding who wins and loses. He's still deputizing those
Speaker 8: responsibilities in the earliest days here to the likes of
Speaker 8: Oly Anderson and Dusty Rhoads. We've also established has now
Speaker 8: left the WWF and is back in a front office
Speaker 8: capacity at WCW. Not with as much sway as he
Speaker 8: would have had it did have under Jim heard upon
Speaker 8: his return, but you know, still very much in the
Speaker 8: mix and putting his his fingerprints on things was a
Speaker 8: dusty road. So Sid comes back into this, this political constitution,
Speaker 8: and it's time to see what he can do over here.
Speaker 8: Do you remember being such a such a locked in
Speaker 8: fan of Sid Justice in ninety one and ninety two,
Speaker 8: or at least being so aware of his essence and
Speaker 8: aura that he went back to w CW, or just
Speaker 8: feeling I'm here from him again until I.
Speaker 3: No, No, I did know that he did.
Speaker 8: I remember, I remember when did he When did he
Speaker 8: officially go go w cwuh slambering ninety three is when
Speaker 8: he came back, Okay, which which I think we've covered
Speaker 8: in the archives.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, we might have. I. Oh, no, I
Speaker 3: don't think so that's the first thing. Well, maybe we did.
Speaker 3: I don't know. After the shock Master incident, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: I do remember. So I remember being in my aunt's
Speaker 3: house and I remember flipping through the channels and it
Speaker 3: must have been a Saturday night, honestly, and I was
Speaker 3: slipping flipping through the channels and I stumbled the up,
Speaker 3: you know, across w CW, and there was WW wrestling on,
Speaker 3: and so I immediately stopped. And I can vividly remember
Speaker 3: seeing at one point Sid wrestling a job guy and
Speaker 3: wearing blue tights. And I was so disappointed. I was
Speaker 3: so disappointed. Why disappointed because I kept thinking he was
Speaker 3: going to come back. You know, I didn't know he
Speaker 3: was gone gone. I thought he just was gone. For
Speaker 3: a little while. I thought, for sure he's going to
Speaker 3: come back w W, and I was just incredibly disappointed.
Speaker 8: I remember saw the mini movie with Davy Boy and
Speaker 8: Staying versus Sid Invader on that episode of Saturday Night
Speaker 8: that I know I did not see with Cheatham, the
Speaker 8: little person involved in Colonel Parker.
Speaker 3: No, the the whatever. I watched that wrestling show. All
Speaker 3: I remember is is sit in the ring Wrestling was on.
Speaker 8: An episode of Saturday Night and this in so many
Speaker 8: ways categorizes like the absurdity of what was w CW
Speaker 8: at the time. As a Sid not only returns but
Speaker 8: links up as we've talked about before with Vader and
Speaker 8: the Master of the power Bomb tag team and faces
Speaker 8: off with the dynamic duo of Sting and Davy. Boy
Speaker 8: and WCW Saturday Night covered the mini movie brought to
Speaker 8: us by VP of Marketing Sharon Sadela or whatever her
Speaker 8: name was. This Sting and Davy playing volleyball on the
Speaker 8: beach somewhere. This is ahead of Beach Blast, of course.
Speaker 8: And yes we did cover Slambourne ninety three, episode two
Speaker 8: sixty seven.
Speaker 9: In the.
Speaker 3: Colonel if they don't accept Charley raise Colonel Parkers in
Speaker 3: for a big surprise. Yes, you're a man ready, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's ready. Yeah, sids right, do you trust cheat them
Speaker 3: to get the job done?
Speaker 6: Let me do it.
Speaker 3: I'll take care of it. They don't see the reason
Speaker 3: I show you and asked for cheat them.
Speaker 8: I trust him Black first w Studies controller, come to
Speaker 8: find out, was Dick Cheatham.
Speaker 10: To be prepared and to Sting and Day. But Boy,
Speaker 10: don't see the light. They'll be in for a beach
Speaker 10: blast like they've never seen before.
Speaker 3: Beach blast coming out your pants.
Speaker 8: I mean they're they're both individually laughing into the camera.
Speaker 8: Of course, they're barely addressing each other, sitting on the
Speaker 8: beach in his blue trunks. They sit justice trunks. And
Speaker 8: here's a shark fin in the water.
Speaker 3: Awful, the jaws rip off.
Speaker 8: You cheat him with the shark fin on comes walking
Speaker 8: out of the water under the shore. He's got a
Speaker 8: cooler in his hand, and it contains a bomb. Boss,
Speaker 8: it contains a bomb, of course, also containing a bomb
Speaker 8: beach Blast nineteen ninety three. And this we have not
Speaker 8: covered in the archives, so we are kind of getting
Speaker 8: ahead of ourselves. Please forgive us whenever the time comes
Speaker 8: to cover beach blast when we replay this, and I'll
Speaker 8: give you a little more homework.
Speaker 3: On that one, Boss, so you have to actually watch it.
Speaker 3: It does.
Speaker 8: Speech volley all games being interrupted. Oh my god, this
Speaker 8: amphibious vehicle in their full wrestling gear. It's so Sid
Speaker 8: has his blue trunks, blue knee pads, but he's got
Speaker 8: sandals on.
Speaker 3: Everybody. Just stay here for a second.
Speaker 2: This looks like it could be pretty interesting.
Speaker 6: Let's go see what they want.
Speaker 8: Walking down the beach, hardy of course, and slacks and
Speaker 8: a shirt on the beach, Colonel Parker and his full regalia.
Speaker 3: By the skulls and the bones.
Speaker 8: Got that the skulls and bones that lie beside our
Speaker 8: path are simple to our victories. Boy, They just cut
Speaker 8: to Sid and Davy pardon me, stinging Davy silently marching
Speaker 8: towards they are and Sid clearly shot on different days.
Speaker 3: Brother, I take that back. They come to center sting,
Speaker 3: baby boy. I can't believe you wouldn't nixt factor proposalf God,
Speaker 3: he sounds so constipated, day boy.
Speaker 8: Except someone really thinks they have like a.
Speaker 3: Future of movie making doing this quick.
Speaker 8: Maybe it's a shot on separate days because they do
Speaker 8: that split screen effect.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: They're only in the same frame.
Speaker 8: We got the tickets when they're standing on his two
Speaker 8: diametrically post sides of the screen.
Speaker 3: Get her hands.
Speaker 2: We can fly out of here.
Speaker 11: Go off from them, well, baby, one more time. Four
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty pounds invaders six feet seven and three
Speaker 11: hundred pounds, sad vicious masters of the power bomb.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe we should just take these tickets and
Speaker 1: just retire.
Speaker 8: Said the WCW fan. All these people horrified watching on
Speaker 8: the beach, that maybe even meant Diana Smith holding a
Speaker 8: baby and glasses find a way to get on television.
Speaker 3: So New York blast. Oh my god. If the kids
Speaker 3: cheers that they're going to face a blast, you got fine.
Speaker 12: You're not gone.
Speaker 13: God, may guy got big boy.
Speaker 11: Just made up mistake here.
Speaker 8: I mean they are never they're talking off off camera
Speaker 8: to people who aren't there.
Speaker 3: What are you supposed to mean by that? Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: a good question.
Speaker 2: Just desperate people, and desperate people do desperate things.
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, like make fucking bullshit movies
Speaker 3: from beach blasts.
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, let's go buck you put some.
Speaker 3: This is what Sid left an event w W spot
Speaker 3: for a funny.
Speaker 2: Round A funny guy hanging around the boat.
Speaker 6: Say what.
Speaker 3: Hey, sting, sting, where's he going?
Speaker 9: He's gonna see the guy hanging around the boat going.
Speaker 3: Click click click, excuse me? Did do do do do
Speaker 3: do do do do do do do.
Speaker 14: Do do.
Speaker 7: O?
Speaker 3: Davy Chap is sting into the waters. The boat explodes,
Speaker 3: stunned up this fucking uh, Western music there, fucking morons,
Speaker 3: everyone just docking at this exploded boat put stinging Davy
Speaker 3: emerge from the water in the kids cheer because they
Speaker 3: thought they were dead.
Speaker 7: M h.
Speaker 8: Be continued, Oh I understand why he stabbed arn Anderson.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, So I would stabbed everybody involved in
Speaker 3: that fucking shoot.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
Speaker 1: m JP Soro.
Speaker 8: Sid is back and we are back here paying tribute
Speaker 8: to the remarkable and unique career of Sid ud here
Speaker 8: on the podcast, and thanks so much for sticking with
Speaker 8: us through this this journey we're taking. It's it's it's
Speaker 8: hard to call it a journey. But at the same time,
Speaker 8: though more closely you examined Sid's career, the more just
Speaker 8: some unbelievable story where he's just unfold before you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely imagine unbelievable regarding Sid.
Speaker 8: Definitely one of them. So we're rocking and rolling here.
Speaker 8: The seasons have changed, you know. I guess I feel
Speaker 8: like as I see a beach scene there with Sid
Speaker 8: Invader and staying in Davy, that that's very much behind us,
Speaker 8: is it not, Boss?
Speaker 3: Thank thank Christ. Is it not I don't know, Halloween time?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 6: Is it not?
Speaker 8: I don't know, scary movie season time under the cinemat
Speaker 8: for these pitches.
Speaker 3: Yes it is. I'm fucking no. The what you what
Speaker 3: would have just been seen? Is uh is not a
Speaker 3: living dead? And very happy about that. I hope everyone
Speaker 3: enjoyed that one. What a wonderful movie.
Speaker 8: And look at the career of Pittsburgh wrestling voice Bill Cardill,
Speaker 8: who is also an institution on television in that city,
Speaker 8: you know, Brunos, San Martino City for generations. Yep, yep,
Speaker 8: just a just a real treat. And and you know,
Speaker 8: we've got a few more weeks left. I'm not gonna
Speaker 8: spoil what's coming up next. No, it's a big surprise.
Speaker 8: But don't have dinner before we go trick or treating kids. Okay,
Speaker 8: that's really what I would suggest, because it's all it's
Speaker 8: all sugar and empty calories. Yeah, exactly, a lot of
Speaker 8: those rushes to come. So yeah, it's it's going off
Speaker 8: on patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan. As we
Speaker 8: turn into the seasons where we thrive the most, the cooler,
Speaker 8: crisper seasons, the way it should be and we're excited
Speaker 8: about what's ahead. We just of course laced the Solar
Speaker 8: system with our premium live event, live call of Bad Blood.
Speaker 8: Has ww brought that pay per view back this year
Speaker 8: a Seampunk and Drew MacIntyre, Hell and a Cell, the
Speaker 8: return of the Rock again after Cody and Roman Face
Speaker 8: Solo and Jacob FAUGHTU. So those who who stayed locked
Speaker 8: and loaded on Patreon were able to enjoy our live
Speaker 8: call of that and a lot more through the fall.
Speaker 8: Of course, there will be Crown Jewel where they're gonna
Speaker 8: crown a new Crown Jewel Champion. We kind of skipped
Speaker 8: over this when we did our live call. The Triple
Speaker 8: H announced Boss that the Crown Jewel Belt is going
Speaker 8: to go to the winner of a match between the
Speaker 8: World Champ and the ww Champ. But those two belts
Speaker 8: won't be on the line.
Speaker 3: For one night.
Speaker 8: They'll not defend their titles. They'll they'll wrestle for the
Speaker 8: Crown Jewel title. So like, so one guy's going to
Speaker 8: beat the other champion, and then which being a champion,
Speaker 8: which makes him the better champion?
Speaker 3: Like, honestly, you're there basically if they put another belt
Speaker 3: up for grabs with the two world champions going at it,
Speaker 3: then this is it's a unification match.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was always something that fucked them royally when
Speaker 8: they insisted on doing that at Survivor Series, it being
Speaker 8: you know, Champ first, Champ brand versus brand. They got
Speaker 8: away from that and then they I don't know, maybe
Speaker 8: the Crown Prince was not pleased and wanted his own
Speaker 8: title belt or something.
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he does.
Speaker 8: I'm sure he wants a Saudi Championship. That'll be the
Speaker 8: the Saudi World Championship. So that'll be part of a
Speaker 8: one to two punch from a live call perspective coming
Speaker 8: up in the month of November over at Patreon, as
Speaker 8: we do what we have to do to get that
Speaker 8: under a belt, and as we learned, even the Saturday
Speaker 8: Night's main event they're going to bring back in December
Speaker 8: is a premium live event, So for the first time
Speaker 8: in a couple of years, we'll come at you in
Speaker 8: December with a live call, rocking and rolling on so
Speaker 8: many fronts. Of course, add free versions of the show
Speaker 8: over there, and Russell Mamia is just continuing to turn
Speaker 8: over new leaves.
Speaker 3: I mean we should we're getting into the Uh, I
Speaker 3: believe some of the stuff that we you and I
Speaker 3: watched together.
Speaker 12: With my mom.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's about time I make a cameo during these
Speaker 8: things exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, you definitely did on the one hundredth show
Speaker 3: with Kobashi and Joe. But you know we're getting onto
Speaker 3: that to some of that that fun shit. You get
Speaker 3: to join in and see what what my mom's all about.
Speaker 8: So that's available to members of the Moat tier, the
Speaker 8: Premium tier, the highest price tier, the one that we
Speaker 8: do understand is a little rich for some blood. But
Speaker 8: my god, does it not help us discern who out
Speaker 8: there in the Solar system deserves the most direct attention
Speaker 8: and service?
Speaker 3: Boss? Oh for sure. I mean by this point, oh,
Speaker 3: you know what we're actually this reminds me we are
Speaker 3: actually in uh uh you know scary you know, scary
Speaker 3: match season with with my mom. I do we do
Speaker 3: I do a couple uh you know, halloween esque or
Speaker 3: you know, kind of horror themed matches for the month
Speaker 3: of October. Yes, you do. People would have just seen
Speaker 3: Undertaker versus Yokozuna in a casket match spooky, certainly a
Speaker 3: spooky match, and.
Speaker 8: Not wait to hear what Mama Sorrow thinks of a
Speaker 8: match where you could put someone in a fucking casket
Speaker 8: and closed.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 8: It's funny when they and the Netflix stock when Vince
Speaker 8: talks about how we don't do murder and then they
Speaker 8: intersplice it with clips of people getting stuffed in caskets.
Speaker 3: No killing, no death. How about how about buried alive? Yeah?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 8: How about Punk saying he's gonna kill and he's ready
Speaker 8: to die for it's give me a break. So, speaking
Speaker 8: of Helen a Cell, we did hear from the homie. Gabe,
Speaker 8: who we've been telling you about in recent weeks, is
Speaker 8: facing a very serious surgery and probably by the time
Speaker 8: you're hearing this, Gabe will be heading in for the procedure.
Speaker 8: And we appreciate everybody in the Solar System who did
Speaker 8: what they could to contribute to trying to make it
Speaker 8: a little easier from a recovery perspective on his family
Speaker 8: as they have to rejigger basically everything without him at
Speaker 8: the helm so to speak, as he recovers. So we're
Speaker 8: sending best wishes to Gabe. But he tucked in one
Speaker 8: last live event Boss before the procedure. He went to
Speaker 8: bad Blood because he happened only working a show in
Speaker 8: Atlanta that weekend.
Speaker 3: Ah, dude, why put yourself through that when you got
Speaker 3: such a big thing coming up?
Speaker 8: Well, you know he figured, you know, the heart's already damaged,
Speaker 8: so what the fuck right? Yeah, going to get it fixed.
Speaker 8: Let's take one more round of fucking pain. Awful, But
Speaker 8: he sent this missive from the State Farm Arena. All
Speaker 8: the old timers left immediately after their little screen hit.
Speaker 8: Remember that they were showing like DDP and XPOC in
Speaker 8: the crowd.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep. That's good to know. They get the.
Speaker 8: Fuck out of there. They weren't watching these fake matches.
Speaker 3: No, they don't listen. They just want to get there.
Speaker 3: They're fulfilling their contractual obligation and they're getting the fuck
Speaker 3: out of Dodge. You know, give my fucking check them out.
Speaker 8: Gabe also reports the crowd love the hell in a
Speaker 8: sale match and I'm a sucker for false finishes, so
Speaker 8: they got me engaged. Kids love Damien Priest. That's interesting
Speaker 8: to know. Let's hope Damian Priest doesn't love kids, right.
Speaker 8: I don't care about either of.
Speaker 3: These name with that last name, Priest. It's kind of
Speaker 3: hard not to.
Speaker 8: Gay writes, I don't care about either of these dipshits,
Speaker 8: Baylor or Discipline. Ramirez. Significant qualitative difference, he reports in
Speaker 8: presentation live compared to an AW show, but maybe that's
Speaker 8: to be expected. I suppose he means, you can't compare
Speaker 8: the production level of a live w W show with
Speaker 8: a live AW show.
Speaker 3: And Kay Gabe is a AW guy.
Speaker 8: You know, we've had him on Opper shows talking about
Speaker 8: actually helping put one of their shows together in Chicago Ones,
Speaker 8: he writes, Nya Jacks as an oath I think we
Speaker 8: can to get behind that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she definitely has o Fish qualities.
Speaker 8: Dominic will be a star, he reports. Crowd hates him,
Speaker 8: but you know what comes from that.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 8: Goldberg was over, but that sucked, and so does he.
Speaker 8: Goldberg had a confrontation with Gunter during the Crown Jewel
Speaker 8: title presentation. So Goldberg's in for another probably one million
Speaker 8: dollar a night for what those I don't know what
Speaker 8: they're gonna do. I mean, we're we gonna do fucking
Speaker 8: Gunter versus the versus Goldberg at Survivor series. Maybe by
Speaker 8: the time you hear this it'll be clear. But why
Speaker 8: as we're recording this, it hasn't happened yet. Gunter is
Speaker 8: to defend the world title against Sammy z Ain, who
Speaker 8: of course beat Gunter and ended his winning streak at
Speaker 8: WrestleMania for the IC strap on Raw. So perhaps Sammy
Speaker 8: Zein wins the belt and then they do Gunter and
Speaker 8: Goldberg one on one in Crown Jewel. I don't think
Speaker 8: there's any way how can they do Gunter If they're
Speaker 8: doing champion versus champion, what's that they can't do Goldberg
Speaker 8: versus gun Terry's fits champion versus champion for the SOUD
Speaker 8: world suggesting that Gunter may lose the title to Sammy Zein,
Speaker 8: And so Sammy Zain goes into Crown Jewel to defend
Speaker 8: against Cody Rhods title verse title with the whole you know,
Speaker 8: tailwind of Sammy being huge and in that Arabic speaking country.
Speaker 3: If they take away ah, if they take Gunter's title away,
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I like Sammy Zain, and I think
Speaker 3: that there is nobody more deserving of a World Championship
Speaker 3: run than Sammy Zin on this current roster based on
Speaker 3: the shit that I've seen. But no, no, it's not time,
Speaker 3: it's getting juicy.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Gabe also rights no one like Saudi Arabia instant
Speaker 8: loud booze at the mention women's match, putting crowd to sleep.
Speaker 8: And also maybe we get Rocky that'd be okay. And
Speaker 8: indeed he ended up getting the rock. And when the
Speaker 8: rock returns, that's when things really get fascinating.
Speaker 3: I see just looking changes and yeah, and ideas go
Speaker 3: flying out the fucking window.
Speaker 8: Time for fifteen minute social media videos that he goes
Speaker 8: into business himself producing walking around the building with his
Speaker 8: Versace vest and saying fuck when no one else is
Speaker 8: allowed to yep yep. So really really guessed and dialed
Speaker 8: in for that. So again all to say best of
Speaker 8: luck to Gabe. I'm sure even though the procedure is
Speaker 8: upon us, he would still he and his family would
Speaker 8: still very much appreciate support on the go fund me.
Speaker 8: He came that last look within several thousand dollars of
Speaker 8: the goal, but really was humbled by the by the
Speaker 8: amount of outpouring that he received, in particular from members
Speaker 8: of the Solar System. I'm sure many dominated dominated well
Speaker 8: I'm sure many did dominate, but I'm sure many donated.
Speaker 8: I should say anonymously, but some I was able to
Speaker 8: recognize those names made made my heart proud that we
Speaker 8: are what we say we are. Here's the Solar System
Speaker 8: and and so yeah, do consider if you haven't been
Speaker 8: able to chip in, or might be interested in chipping
Speaker 8: in some more, Just google a Gabey Oak and yo
Speaker 8: cum as his last name, GoFundMe.
Speaker 3: It'll come up. You'll see it all and you'll be.
Speaker 8: Able to help. So salute and best wishes. When we
Speaker 8: talk about Sid, what do we talk about? We talk
Speaker 8: about Viennas right.
Speaker 12: Of course, I'm Vienna Sausages and I send him an
Speaker 12: autograph picture.
Speaker 8: I'm saving this for when we do the CID like feedback,
Speaker 8: wrap up, look back show.
Speaker 3: But I have reason to believe.
Speaker 8: That we that the amount of Solar System members that
Speaker 8: have actually sent cans of Vienna sausages to Sid's church
Speaker 8: in Memphis.
Speaker 3: Is not zero.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I've seen confirmation of delivery receipts in
Speaker 8: my inbox. Oh does this not make sense that.
Speaker 12: That is Listen, he sent my church a case of
Speaker 12: Vienna sausages and I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: Case what if? What if? What if? What if the
Speaker 3: church sends sends people autograph pictures of Sid. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: yeah he left just a box of him, yeah, with
Speaker 3: a note that's like that's in the present tense, saying
Speaker 3: like thanks so much for helping us out. They never
Speaker 3: find out he died, yeah, or like they're just like, well,
Speaker 3: fuck it, we gotta you know, let's just act like
Speaker 3: he's not dead. Case of Vienna's.
Speaker 8: We've got a serious case of the vienna's balls deep
Speaker 8: in Sid's career, and uh, you know what.
Speaker 3: Else has a case of the viennas these days in
Speaker 3: the Solar System. Circle Boss, progressingts dot Com, slash laps
Speaker 3: Fan got it right.
Speaker 8: Our pro Wrestling t store. Tell them what is available
Speaker 8: in conjunction with the tribute.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got we've got Sids Vicious Viennas shirt with
Speaker 3: with the with a with a little a little uh
Speaker 3: vienna with a face and SIDS here on the vienna.
Speaker 3: And then we have the the the Church softball shirt
Speaker 3: which the team was sponsored by, Uh Sids Vicious Vienna's.
Speaker 8: I mean, if you want to pay tribute to Sid
Speaker 8: in a way that says like I know way more
Speaker 8: about Sid than.
Speaker 3: You do, or I know way more about Sid than
Speaker 3: I should.
Speaker 8: Pro Wrestling Tees dot Com slash the Lapse Fan is
Speaker 8: the place to purchase said proof, especially as we head
Speaker 8: into the holiday season and you wonder what you get
Speaker 8: a laps fan in your life. This is one that
Speaker 8: is very of the moment. And Boss did not hesitate,
Speaker 8: let's put it that way.
Speaker 3: No, it was time, it was right there. It needed
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 12: My church a case of Bena sausages and I sent
Speaker 12: him an autograph picture.
Speaker 8: We'll send you nothing except the shirt if you order
Speaker 8: over at Pro Wrestling Teas. But that's the latest and
Speaker 8: the greatest in our just sprawling T shirt store over there, Jesus.
Speaker 8: And on the other side of the merchandise merch side
Speaker 8: of the equation, massive shout outs go to our friends
Speaker 8: at Chopped. Chopped and our friend Dicky over there have
Speaker 8: been elevating the game, creating premium TLF licensed wear, not
Speaker 8: t shirts, but things like hoodies and zip ups and
Speaker 8: fanny packs and what Boss Letterman.
Speaker 3: Jacket It's uh, yeah, you know what, there would be
Speaker 3: some Letterman jackets that.
Speaker 8: Have now gone on sale to the public at large.
Speaker 8: By the way he's expertly crafted. Raw is war just
Speaker 8: swap out the TLF logo jackets Yep.
Speaker 3: Yep, and it is.
Speaker 8: It is just a glorious, glorious thing. You won't regret it.
Speaker 8: You'll you'll want more, honestly, you'll want more. Finally, such
Speaker 8: a beautiful thing store. It's it's, it's. It's the stuff
Speaker 8: that that Dicky's putting out. It just so befits a
Speaker 8: premium podcast. I I can't wait to go to you know,
Speaker 8: to do a lapse event and to to just fucking
Speaker 8: wear that thing out absolutely. And on the chop front,
Speaker 8: we need to send a big shout out to Luke
Speaker 8: our Man in Manchester, UK who just sent us some
Speaker 8: pictures of him wearing the what was the aces and eights,
Speaker 8: the mid carters and zeros carters and baseball jersey, got
Speaker 8: a laps Van logo on the front. It's got the
Speaker 8: mid carters and Zero's logo on the bat too hot
Speaker 8: for the teas site, apparently too hot for the teas site.
Speaker 3: And there it is.
Speaker 8: It's fucking beautiful. He's proudly wearing boss a baseball jersey
Speaker 8: with your mid carters and Zero's.
Speaker 3: Logo on it. That's just fucking walking around England. Just
Speaker 3: think about it. Oh, it's glorious. It's the way you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's a dream right there. It's a
Speaker 3: fucking dream that that shit's happening. It's t l f
Speaker 3: X is what it is. You're damn fucking right.
Speaker 8: Regarding to It's just wanted to let you know I'm
Speaker 8: very happy with my purchase from chop Teas. Now I
Speaker 8: can start spreading the good word to all of my
Speaker 8: confused go workers to keep up all the amazing work.
Speaker 8: And he also wants us to know that the Bond
Speaker 8: journey has been phenomenal to UTC for life. You out
Speaker 8: are the cinemat boss gonna swing back around.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yep, yep. Once, uh, you know, once, once
Speaker 3: Halloween has uh is in the rearview mirror, mirror, We're
Speaker 3: going to wrap up our uh, our James Bond journey
Speaker 3: in the month of November. It's uh. And again, like
Speaker 3: I said, it's it was always intended that there would
Speaker 3: be a break. So it actually just coincided beautifully that
Speaker 3: that it was a scary movie season because you know
Speaker 3: what then to me, at least where there's a real
Speaker 3: reason for it, you know, there's a real thing to
Speaker 3: turn to instead of, you know, a few weeks of
Speaker 3: random movies to take a break, because again, like I've said,
Speaker 3: and those who've seen it know, the Daniel Craig James
Speaker 3: Bond movies are on a different like it's almost like
Speaker 3: a different universe than like it's a parallel universe to
Speaker 3: the James Bond. We've been watching.
Speaker 8: Absolutely so much going on yes here at TLFHQ and
Speaker 8: celebration of ten years of absolute domination and pillaging. It
Speaker 8: continues with the TLFX Games. This is such a great
Speaker 8: way to observe the occasion, to observe this special anniversary,
Speaker 8: and it's a tournament to determine the greatest character in
Speaker 8: the history of the cast. It's the King of the
Speaker 8: Cast tournament and keeping with the crown jewel of it all.
Speaker 8: This year and the election season and the Olympics, it all,
Speaker 8: it's all echoed in the t FX Games. And we
Speaker 8: are down to a titillating quarterfinal, round final four. This
Speaker 8: is this is now to the point that you really
Speaker 8: have to make some decisions. Yes, yes, a long time listen.
Speaker 3: I mean these are all you know, these are some
Speaker 3: fucking main event matches here in terms of you know,
Speaker 3: not that we haven't had or main event matches to
Speaker 3: begin with.
Speaker 8: Oh, there were some stiff matchups you'd put what Hogan
Speaker 8: and Savage in the beginning. People weren't ready to pick
Speaker 8: a five.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say this, you know, I mean Vince McMahon.
Speaker 3: The laps Vince the whole time he's been in all
Speaker 3: main event matches, right, you know, So this is this
Speaker 3: one though, this is gonna be This is a tough one.
Speaker 8: On the left side of the bracket laps Davy boy
Speaker 8: Smith versus laps and Kevin Nash and laps Jesse the
Speaker 8: Body Ventura versus lapsed Andre the Giant. On the right
Speaker 8: side of the bracket laps Dusty Rhodes versus lapsed Helen
Speaker 8: Hart and lapsed Vince McMahon versus lapsed Hulk Hogan. The
Speaker 8: poetry of it as it develops organically, it really, it
Speaker 8: is so true.
Speaker 6: It is so true.
Speaker 8: And if all goes according to plan, by the time
Speaker 8: you hear this, voting rather and the final four round
Speaker 8: should have opened over on our X account. That's where
Speaker 8: we're holding the polls to turn it over the public
Speaker 8: and decide who advances. And what started out as a
Speaker 8: thirty two person field.
Speaker 3: By the time by the time this this this drops,
Speaker 3: you know what, we may have We may be on
Speaker 3: the onder the next round, the semi finals of We
Speaker 3: may be both. Yeah, I mean gonna win.
Speaker 8: With so many days open, maybe maybe we'll extend the
Speaker 8: window a little bit so that people that for some
Speaker 8: reason are slacking and or it might not be an
Speaker 8: x and only hear about the TLFX Games tournament through
Speaker 8: the podcast. We'll get a little bit more time to
Speaker 8: vote on this, because this is one. Now let's getting
Speaker 8: to the point that I don't blame it. I don't
Speaker 8: blame people for taking a little time with their ballots,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, Maybe a few more days
Speaker 8: makes sense. I mean, yeah, because this is fucking Have
Speaker 8: you voted?
Speaker 3: No, I have not voted. Have you voted? No, I
Speaker 3: can't vote. I can't vote.
Speaker 9: No.
Speaker 8: I I'm actually thrilled to hear you say that, because
Speaker 8: as soon as you ask me that, I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 8: we should have just talked about that.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: No, I.
Speaker 8: I employees are not eligible for any gifts or contests,
Speaker 8: as they have to say on the radio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, that's not.
Speaker 8: We're not putting our thumb on the scale in any way,
Speaker 8: shape or form. And I'll tell you when it comes
Speaker 8: to like laps editor versus Laps Jesse, it can come
Speaker 8: down to a few votes.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm expecting that with Vince in Hogan. Honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I really am. I. I you know, I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what if if if we hadn't, I would actually say
Speaker 3: it would be a shoeing for for lapsed Vince if
Speaker 3: if we hadn't done TNH. I think TNH was a
Speaker 3: huge game changer, fascinating.
Speaker 8: Well, we ended up doing as deep a dive in
Speaker 8: a psyche as we did to Vince's through the trial
Speaker 8: of his life.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly by virtue of that, because.
Speaker 8: The Hulk's TNA run really tells you who the man is,
Speaker 8: you know, yes, as opposed too the character is. And
Speaker 8: just just amazing times. What a way to ring in
Speaker 8: our ten year anniversary. We're so thrilled the way this
Speaker 8: has been playing out and how engaging it's been. In
Speaker 8: a big shout out to our supporters over at Garage Beer,
Speaker 8: the TLF approved the top that you can pop this
Speaker 8: holiday season. Man, these guys are growing strong and fast.
Speaker 8: We were on board early with the big fucking thumbs up.
Speaker 8: They were on our side for the Philly Live show
Speaker 8: at WrestleMania this year, and we couldn't be more thrilled
Speaker 8: that they've deemed the TLFX Games a worthy cause to
Speaker 8: assign a little bit of that brand equity to. So
Speaker 8: deep appreciation to our friends at Garage Beer for helping
Speaker 8: bring you the King of the Cast tournament, and we
Speaker 8: mentioned a live show. We reference this already on the
Speaker 8: live call for Bad Blood for those of you who
Speaker 8: didn't hear every match there. We've made a decision we
Speaker 8: will not be doing a live sho in Las Vegas
Speaker 8: in conjunction with WrestleMania next year. Vegas is just not
Speaker 8: going to make sense, especially on Easter Sunday. I mean,
Speaker 8: that's what they get. Honestly, that's what they get for
Speaker 8: not doing Mini when everybody knows Minneapolis was due. Vegas
Speaker 8: is boring. Vegas is It's not boring. I mean, it's
Speaker 8: just too It's too exciting, you know what I mean, right,
Speaker 8: I mean to take over the town, like the fun
Speaker 8: of it is.
Speaker 3: I think the the fun of it is is bringing
Speaker 3: it to a place where it really transforms. It's kind
Speaker 3: of adds something.
Speaker 8: Of any area. We've been in Vegas so many time,
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 3: And even LA, it's like, you know, it's bringing it
Speaker 3: to a new area of LA because LA is so
Speaker 3: fucking big. Like when they did LA, it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's in the brand new space, you know,
Speaker 3: the whatever Sofi.
Speaker 8: This is a leading stadium. I've never come close to it.
Speaker 8: It's it's just as new as so Fine.
Speaker 3: It's a different part of town. But but again it's Vegas.
Speaker 3: It's like it's not so that's not going to turn sisely,
Speaker 3: it's not going to actually make a dent in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: Las Vegas. You know, it's like you can't you know,
Speaker 3: Vegas is going to over it's like overpowering as it is.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
Speaker 8: And it's not just it doesn't happen to be terribly
Speaker 8: convenient to where our sense of where we're strongest is
Speaker 8: where most fans are concentrated, you know. Right, we were
Speaker 8: able to get a bunch of fly ins to LA
Speaker 8: and have a great turnout for our first Wrestlmingia live show,
Speaker 8: and we've got a great turnout in Philly because we're
Speaker 8: so strong on the East coast so what we're going
Speaker 8: to do instead of WrestleMania in terms of a live show.
Speaker 8: And we say this early and often because you know
Speaker 8: it might be somewhere deep in the recesses of a
Speaker 8: handful of people's minds that, Okay, if I go to Mania,
Speaker 8: like go to the TLF as well, I want people
Speaker 8: to count on that if it's not going to happen.
Speaker 3: And we've done Vegas, we did star.
Speaker 8: Cast two and it was great, but it's there's no
Speaker 8: novelty there for us at all. So well, where we
Speaker 8: are rock solid is is in the most important city
Speaker 8: in the world. This only makes sense, right, Yes, I mean,
Speaker 8: we over index to the highest end of wrestling fandom,
Speaker 8: we over index to the highest end of podcasting. And
Speaker 8: so I don't know if Summer Slam's going to come
Speaker 8: back to New York next August, why don't why don't
Speaker 8: your CoA chairman set up a live show for anyone
Speaker 8: who's who's headed to MetLife Stadium.
Speaker 3: I mean, and we've you know, we've done it. We've
Speaker 3: been there. Uh we have hit up the uh MetLife
Speaker 3: on on on several occasions for for WrestleMania. So it'll
Speaker 3: be uh, it'll be nice to actually, you know, do
Speaker 3: a live show, uh you know, kind of in well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, either New Jersey or New York, whichever
Speaker 3: want it ends.
Speaker 8: We're pretty sure we're going to be in the heart
Speaker 8: of New York. The homie Ray Gooots is in play.
Speaker 8: We're talking about it. We're looking at venues, and we
Speaker 8: feel really confident, based on where he is strong as
Speaker 8: well as where we're strong, that we're going to come
Speaker 8: with a very very serious proposition for every building. But
Speaker 8: it'll be in the summertime.
Speaker 3: And I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, Jesus Christ, if we do somewher next year,
Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, hey, the next summer slam is is
Speaker 8: is where we wanted to be Mini.
Speaker 3: That's true, and we can go to we can go
Speaker 3: to Kat's Delhi after the after our live show in
Speaker 3: New York.
Speaker 8: Oh shit, that was such a smatchhit for the special
Speaker 8: Moat event we did last time around this year for
Speaker 8: The Boss and his live play. Yes, yes, indeed, a
Speaker 8: live play, live presentation. And I say that because of
Speaker 8: course all plays are live. But we were in the
Speaker 8: immersive theater. Yes, oh the play was especially live.
Speaker 3: It was indeed, it was very listen you can't get
Speaker 3: much more live than that. Honestly, if Sid had been there,
Speaker 3: I might have gotten shoved with scissors.
Speaker 6: In my gut.
Speaker 8: Had such a terrific time. I thought there were some
Speaker 8: Moat members out there, and there are some ideas in
Speaker 8: the works for the tail end for the fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: I guess you could say of twenty twenty four as
Speaker 8: well for the Moat.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 8: Nothing's crystallized yet, but Boss is continuing to make big moves,
Speaker 8: as we've referenced several times on the show, and another
Speaker 8: one another big shoe was about to drop, and it
Speaker 8: would only be appropriate if we put something together for
Speaker 8: our nearest and dearest for that as well, So keep
Speaker 8: your ears peeled. This is all to say we're heading
Speaker 8: into the holiday season where we really we don't take
Speaker 8: our foot off the gas.
Speaker 3: We fucking lay on the gas.
Speaker 8: We oh, we attack the gas like Santa attacks, you know,
Speaker 8: the cookies that you leave behind. It's gonna get crazy
Speaker 8: with all the Christmas content, and it's all built, of course,
Speaker 8: around the Christmas show. And it's already October. My god,
Speaker 8: it's already the second week of October.
Speaker 3: And I got to you know what, I got to
Speaker 3: make a fucking trip to the post office. See what's
Speaker 3: doing there? Think you do?
Speaker 8: I think you really do, because folks are heating the
Speaker 8: call to not miss the actual unwrappening event this year,
Speaker 8: as the co chairman get together to record live reactions
Speaker 8: to gifts that you, the members of the TLF Solar
Speaker 8: System see fit to send to us. It's a wonderful
Speaker 8: tradition and long may it continue, and of course the
Speaker 8: lifeblood of it is what you guys can come up with.
Speaker 8: Please don't feel like the bar is too high. Everyone
Speaker 8: out does themselves every year, and as much as it
Speaker 8: blows us away, like you just have to send one thing,
Speaker 8: like we you know, we love you guys, but we
Speaker 8: don't know twelve things. I mean, it's we don't need
Speaker 8: one thing, okay.
Speaker 3: Right right, I mean, but it's just it's a globe
Speaker 3: glorious thing. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And look, we know when we say this that that
Speaker 8: makes you probably even more likely to send too much.
Speaker 8: But it's just well, if there's anybody out there who's like, man,
Speaker 8: some of these presents are ridiculous, Like I don't even
Speaker 8: know if I can compete.
Speaker 3: Just trust it. No, no, honestly, because I think I
Speaker 3: think one of the funniest ones and one of the
Speaker 3: most memorable ones, Like from last year was the uh
Speaker 3: the chat GPT shit.
Speaker 8: Yeah, just printed out pages and chat GPT generated scenes
Speaker 8: and lapsed.
Speaker 3: Uh. You know circumstances. We love it.
Speaker 8: We love anything you can come up with. We've got
Speaker 8: uh we got the full master list of of of
Speaker 8: tapes that people have. We've gotten like Excel spreadsheets printed
Speaker 8: out in the past, We've gotten scripts, We've gotten just
Speaker 8: so many cool things that people have come up with
Speaker 8: over the years. And it's really it's really cool. It's
Speaker 8: one of a kind, and we're gonna keep fucking pounding.
Speaker 8: We're already well positioned. Folks weren't fucking around after last year,
Speaker 8: and some gifts came in.
Speaker 3: Late yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: The peelbog is already getting attacked.
Speaker 3: And some and some gifts end up uh yeah, like
Speaker 3: getting floating over because from last year, I think too indeed,
Speaker 3: which makes some sense.
Speaker 8: So if you want to make sure you get in
Speaker 8: under the wire, think about it now, think about it
Speaker 8: before it's time to think about gifts for the actual
Speaker 8: people you care about in your family, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean, Like, get us out of the way, so
Speaker 8: that when the time comes you can just enjoy the
Speaker 8: show with that extra spark of what are they going
Speaker 8: to get to my thing?
Speaker 3: And how's it going to taste right? How's it going
Speaker 3: to agree?
Speaker 8: The PO Box, as always is the Lapsed Fan seven
Speaker 8: ten Main Street, South PO Box one one nine Southbury
Speaker 8: s O U T H b U R Y, Connecticut
Speaker 8: zero six four eight eight laps Fans seven ten Main Street,
Speaker 8: South PEO Box one one nine Southbury, Connecticut zero six
Speaker 8: four eight eight, And we'll see it at the PO
Speaker 8: Box and we'll see you on the fucking Christmas show Box.
Speaker 8: It feels if it feels right to be talking about this, Oh,
Speaker 8: absolutely it does.
Speaker 3: That is great.
Speaker 8: It doesn't feel like we're putting any carts before any horses.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn SEO.
Speaker 8: MJP SORO And we're so thrilled whenever we get word
Speaker 8: from out there in the grid or ether that we're
Speaker 8: inspiring others to create things. This is one of the
Speaker 8: things that's been the fuel to the engine for ten
Speaker 8: years here at TLF, and we're here to remind you
Speaker 8: that the pal the Homie, Matt Wassong continues to produce
Speaker 8: a really cool TLF inspired podcast. It's not unlike the
Speaker 8: X Games in some ways. It's a tournament sort of
Speaker 8: formatted show called Late Night Wrestling, and we're proud to
Speaker 8: give you a quick date. We've talked about Late Night
Speaker 8: Wrestling on a prior podcast, and Matt has this update
Speaker 8: for the listenership. So Late Night Wrestling we're talking about
Speaker 8: a fictional podcast covering the volatile, spectacular and violent world
Speaker 8: of pro wrestling. It's presented in a radio doc format
Speaker 8: like this American Life. You've got a late night radio vibe.
Speaker 8: The host is Hawk Owens, and Hawk Owens looks at
Speaker 8: the current major stories in pro wrestling and delves into
Speaker 8: the past for moments in wrestling history you may have missed.
Speaker 8: We want to let you know that Late Night Wrestling
Speaker 8: began the second season of its podcast on September thirtieth
Speaker 8: of this year, and the first big event is another
Speaker 8: show put on by a billionaire. This in the fictional
Speaker 8: world of late night Wrestling. Nick van Alfin, Who Were
Speaker 8: Learning is aired to the van Alfin fortune and CEO
Speaker 8: of Sword Inventory startup Blade Books is hosting a pro
Speaker 8: wrestling show. It's called NVA Jam twenty four NVA as
Speaker 8: opposed to Vince's show coming up NDA Jam twenty twenty four. Also,
Speaker 8: he's hosting this event at his massive LA house, We're told,
Speaker 8: which is dubbed the Only Here are some characters that
Speaker 8: you'll be seeing this season on Late Night Wrestling.
Speaker 3: The Analytics Bear formerly the Alaskan Bear. He teamed with God.
Speaker 8: He teamed with the company OWM Analytics and embraced analytics
Speaker 8: in advanced stats, which has led to a lot of success. Oh,
Speaker 8: analytics is basically the York Foundation. But in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 8: why don't we use computers to generate what the next
Speaker 8: move is going to be?
Speaker 3: I mean, what agreed? Why don't we? Why don't we
Speaker 3: what the next gate is going to be?
Speaker 8: For that matter, where's the where is the AI enabled
Speaker 8: WWE Superstar? We're still waiting.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8: He lets us know that we gave him the germ
Speaker 8: of this idea when we riffed on an episode a
Speaker 8: t n H one. He thinks he recalls about a
Speaker 8: wrestler called not big Daddy, but big Data. Yeah, big
Speaker 8: big data. Not to be confused with big tobacco or
Speaker 8: big farm, big pharma. Yes, big data, just to be clear,
Speaker 8: not spelled dadda yeah tata. Matt wants us to know
Speaker 8: that he thinks he already had the idea for the
Speaker 8: Alaskan Bear, so he used that idea as a launching
Speaker 8: point for the York Foundation in twenty twenty four. While
Speaker 8: you're welcome there, Matt. Another character Same Game Parlay Jones,
Speaker 8: the former Same Day Delivery Jones from season one. Instead
Speaker 8: of Soda. He is the spokes wrestler for Safe Bets,
Speaker 8: a new gambling app. He also teams with Home Analytics
Speaker 8: to improve Sweet Pie Clementine. This is a very affable,
Speaker 8: decorated hardcore wrestler. She is the two time Queen of
Speaker 8: the Death Match and one time Duchess of the Death Match.
Speaker 8: A go to move of hers boss and arn Anderson's
Speaker 8: spinebuster on a pile of legos that works for me. Also,
Speaker 8: Florida Man is participating in Late night Wrestling this season.
Speaker 8: Florida Man is the most dangerous man in Florida, and
Speaker 8: that's saying something fucking Christ does it. Ever, he's friends
Speaker 8: with gators and he will do anything to win He's
Speaker 8: also a successful fan boat salesman. How about York lowse
Speaker 8: Real named Paul Lewis. He has never won a wrestling
Speaker 8: match in his life. He lost so much and so
Speaker 8: often that people started calling him pork loose, and he
Speaker 8: just went along with it. However, he's just so upbeat
Speaker 8: and positive. He's always convinced his next match will be
Speaker 8: win number one. His next match it's against Analytics Spear
Speaker 8: at NVA Jam twenty four and of course, a suspiciously
Speaker 8: rejuvenated Hulk Hogan eyes another run on the top.
Speaker 3: Of the Mountain.
Speaker 8: All that and more on season two of Late Night Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Check this out.
Speaker 8: He's really he puts a lot of work into it.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of craftsmanship on it, and it's really cool.
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.
Speaker 8: I love it, and that we had something to do
Speaker 8: with it is definitely definitely a good feeling to have
Speaker 8: as we look back on what ten years of relentless
Speaker 8: LAPPS fan podcasting has meant and produced and caused let's say,
Speaker 8: incubated catalyzed. So it's nineteen ninety two and sid is
Speaker 8: coming back to World Championship Wrestling. Bill Watts has mentioned
Speaker 8: got of played a part in the deal. He writes
Speaker 8: in his book, One guy with a bad rap whom
Speaker 8: I got along with famously was Sid Udy, who wrestled
Speaker 8: his Sid vicious and psycho Sid. I wonder why a
Speaker 8: maniaclyte Bill Watts would have got along with Sid.
Speaker 3: I don't know who knows, who couldn't possibly imagine.
Speaker 8: Everyone told me. Wats writes what a problem Sid was,
Speaker 8: But I don't know that I ever had anyone try
Speaker 8: harder for me than he did. He would soak up
Speaker 8: like a sponge everything I told him, and he tried
Speaker 8: his heart out. Sid had never just been taught a
Speaker 8: lot of the basics of pro wrestling. He'd gotten huge
Speaker 8: pushes because he was such an awesome physical specimen, but
Speaker 8: no one had taken the time with him. I think
Speaker 8: Sid's problem with a lot of people was not ego,
Speaker 8: but trust. He'd been burned in the business, I believe,
Speaker 8: so when he saw that I was shooting straight with him,
Speaker 8: he trusted me. And that doesn't mean Sid and I
Speaker 8: always agreed on everything. That's an insight into Sid's psyche.
Speaker 8: Apparently he likes being having the whip cracked on him.
Speaker 3: Boss. Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 8: He is talking about the dynamic on a shoot interview.
Speaker 15: I love working under Oleandis or Bill Watts. What guys
Speaker 15: like kind of statives, you know when they call me
Speaker 15: dun motherfucker and this and that I don't.
Speaker 7: Take it to heart.
Speaker 3: Let's have that last part again.
Speaker 15: I love working under Oleanders or Bill Watts or guys
Speaker 15: like that storatives, you know when they call me don
Speaker 15: mother this and that. I don't take it to heart.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm feel kind of you know, I
Speaker 3: I hear authoritative, so that that to me right, there.
Speaker 8: Is a problem missing a tea in there. Yeah, and
Speaker 8: that's one thing said was never low on te.
Speaker 3: T ball.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 8: That from the In Your Head Wrestling podcast, which Sid
Speaker 8: made many appearances on in his retirement years, and which
Speaker 8: we'll be accepting. Big shout out to our video and
Speaker 8: In your Head and Hannibal and all these guys that
Speaker 8: got sit on the record over the years, because it
Speaker 8: gives us a real sense into how the guy actually
Speaker 8: felt about his career instead of just watching it back.
Speaker 8: We can yeah, get an idea of the signposts hour
Speaker 8: along the way, Sid the booker, I mean I can't
Speaker 8: conceive of it.
Speaker 3: I can't. But this guy really wanted to book.
Speaker 8: I don't why, you know, It's like it's almost, to me,
Speaker 8: like the syndrome of a guy who knows he's way overpaid,
Speaker 8: so he's got to come up with like this idea
Speaker 8: of himself as someone who's actually a visionary and justifies
Speaker 8: the money, you know, someone who could be much more
Speaker 8: of a utility man than just an entering performer and
Speaker 8: a shoot interview, Sid said, you know, Bill Wats is
Speaker 8: the one who offered me a position in the company
Speaker 8: to work as a booker. First coming to interview for
Speaker 8: his job back, Watts told Sid. According to Sid, I'll
Speaker 8: tell you what man, I like you. He said, would
Speaker 8: you like to work in the office with me? I said,
Speaker 8: that's what I want. He was the first one who
Speaker 8: brought me in. The next two weeks, Sid comes in
Speaker 8: to finish his deal and always in charge, and Bill
Speaker 8: Watts is gone. So I don't know what Bill is
Speaker 8: talking about in his book when he says that, you know,
Speaker 8: Sid was the easiest guy to work with and to
Speaker 8: get the most out of, and who worked hardest for him,
Speaker 8: because he was fucking gone by the time Sid got
Speaker 8: in the ring.
Speaker 3: WCW. I don't understand this, well, you know, uh.
Speaker 10: He was.
Speaker 8: Bill was in WWF in late ninety five when SID
Speaker 8: was back and working with Diesel. So maybe that's what
Speaker 8: he's talking about. He wasn't there, It's just Sid was
Speaker 8: gone by then too. October ninety five, No, I guess
Speaker 8: he was. He was still there in October. That's around
Speaker 8: the fall of ninety five is when Bill comes into WWF.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I yeah, he's there. He's but after hisarversories
Speaker 3: he's going. And it's before SID and before the it's
Speaker 3: after the deal Diesel stuff.
Speaker 8: Plenty of time to develop a sense of the man's
Speaker 8: work ethic if you ask me, yeah, I suppose one
Speaker 8: way or the other. He did make a a well
Speaker 8: noted stop between WWF and WCW.
Speaker 3: Did Sid.
Speaker 8: He worked one Global Show Boss if you can believe
Speaker 8: there really Global as ESPN Global Wrestling at the sport
Speaker 8: of Tournum in Dallas.
Speaker 3: Against Rod Price. No, not quite.
Speaker 8: He went on April second of nineteen ninety three to
Speaker 8: the Sport of to team with Johnny Rotten, who, apparently,
Speaker 8: according to book Others, was just some friend of his
Speaker 8: who wanted to be in the wrestling business, and so
Speaker 8: Sid brought him around and let him wrestle. That team
Speaker 8: faced a team by the name of the Ebony Experience,
Speaker 8: Booker T and Stevie Ray. Wow, these are the future
Speaker 8: Harlem Heat before they were in WCW and became Harlem
Speaker 8: Heat on ESPN for Global but still very much upstarts,
Speaker 8: still very much trying to find their way and their
Speaker 8: niche in the wrestling business. And this was a very
Speaker 8: important meeting. Do you remember from Wargames nineteen ninety three
Speaker 8: when we did out of war Games and Sid was
Speaker 8: the one who brought Harlem Heat into WCW.
Speaker 3: I don't recall that, but wow, that's fascinating.
Speaker 8: Booker was very forlorn upon learning of the passing of
Speaker 8: Sid because those two, him and his brother owe everything
Speaker 8: to Sid in terms of finding them a spot in
Speaker 8: the big money company WCW, big money relative to what
Speaker 8: other options they may have had before them at the time,
Speaker 8: and getting them much bigger contracts than they had any
Speaker 8: right to expect or even to ask for, and further
Speaker 8: continuing to support and advocate for the Harlem Heat to
Speaker 8: stay on pay roll when the initial idea for their
Speaker 8: characters engineered in large part by Sid himself hit the
Speaker 8: skids very quickly for reasons we'll talk about. Do you
Speaker 8: have any recollection of what that initial idea was for
Speaker 8: Booker and Stevie and WCW.
Speaker 3: What the initial gimmick was something. There's something there, but
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it one.
Speaker 8: Should they come out with chains around their neck being
Speaker 8: dragged around by Colonel Parker?
Speaker 3: Should they do that?
Speaker 8: No, we'll get into what what Sid thought and what
Speaker 8: I think the average person thought about what that presentation signified.
Speaker 8: But the way Sid remembers this and it could it
Speaker 8: could be true when you consider the timeline that this
Speaker 8: Sportatorium show was a Kerrie van Eric benefit show. Kerry,
Speaker 8: of course had killed himself.
Speaker 3: What was it.
Speaker 8: February I think of nineteen ninety three, Yeah, so here
Speaker 8: in April in the sport of time, they're running a
Speaker 8: global show and Sid and Shoot Interviews has talked about
Speaker 8: this event to something he did because it was a
Speaker 8: Kerry von Eric tribute show and the Harlem Heat had
Speaker 8: been in the territory for a year and a half
Speaker 8: at this point, and Booker says that Sid had seen
Speaker 8: them already on ESPN Wrestling before he came to the
Speaker 8: Sportatorium in the Flesh and told them that he was
Speaker 8: impressed with their work. So we're going to turn now
Speaker 8: to Booker T's second book, his underrated second book. If
Speaker 8: he asks me, he gets very little attention. It's called
Speaker 8: My Rise to Wrestling Royalty, and he recollects what it
Speaker 8: was like to be feed hit by the Great Sid
Speaker 8: here right before Sid returns to WCW. It all started
Speaker 8: in eighty nine. For about four years, Lash and I
Speaker 8: had been tiresly running the shows at the Roads rather
Speaker 8: all across Texas, working for ww Fedteran Polish Power, Ivan
Speaker 8: Putsky's Western Wrestling Alliance, the WWA tug Boat Taylor's Texas
Speaker 8: All Pro Wrestling, the independent scene, and then finally the
Speaker 8: Global Wrestling Federation featured on ESPN. All that changed with
Speaker 8: one phone.
Speaker 3: Call from.
Speaker 8: Sid Vicious, the Ruler of the World, who offered us
Speaker 8: an opportunity. He wanted us to go to Atlanta to
Speaker 8: try out for WCW. As the trek from Texas to
Speaker 8: Georgia drew to a close, the sun was rising and
Speaker 8: the Huffman brothers that's Booker and Stevie's real last name,
Speaker 8: could feel the magic at hand. It was a make
Speaker 8: or break time. After hitting the Georgia state line, we
Speaker 8: were neck deep in WCW country and it felt like home.
Speaker 8: During our brief conversation with Sid, there'd been no talk
Speaker 8: about money. We had a foot in the door and
Speaker 8: that was all the chance we needed. I kept analyzing
Speaker 8: everything on the way. Will we impress them enough? Will
Speaker 8: they let us stick around or take one look at
Speaker 8: us in the ring and tell us to get out?
Speaker 8: I was ready to find out. When we drove to Atlanta,
Speaker 8: it was comforting to know we had somewhere to stay.
Speaker 8: Guess where they stayed, boss.
Speaker 3: Um uh with Cody Rhades.
Speaker 8: Correct? No, Sid's house, Oh God, Sid's plays. Sid was
Speaker 8: a well established made venor Booker writes who had a
Speaker 8: huge run in WCW from nineteen eighty nine through nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety one, rubbing shoulders with some of the biggest stars
Speaker 8: and then WWF with guys like Hull and Warrior and
Speaker 8: Randy and Taker. Now he was transitioning into a position
Speaker 8: with WCW is a booker who could produce homegrown talent.
Speaker 8: So this these guys, Booker and Stevie were beneficiaries of
Speaker 8: this Sid as office incarnation.
Speaker 3: That we're getting. I can't handle that. I can't. I
Speaker 3: can't imagine. You've met him in the.
Speaker 8: Polo, you know, on the golf course with the other
Speaker 8: turner execs. Hey, what do you saying, big Sid?
Speaker 3: How's your U? I picture I picture him, you know, right,
Speaker 3: he's wearing you know, he's wearing clothes that he thinks
Speaker 3: are what he should wear. You know, Yeah, like how
Speaker 3: he's wearing the gondols on the beach blast thing. He
Speaker 3: goes to turner offices and everyone's like in suits and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. But yeah, he comes in in like
Speaker 3: a white polo shirt, wearing tucked into jeans and wearing
Speaker 3: like a beige blazer. Oh you know, and he thinks
Speaker 3: that in a in a baseball hat and he thinks
Speaker 3: this is dressing up for work.
Speaker 8: Oh my god, said my god, look at the size
Speaker 8: of this guy.
Speaker 3: I've heard you're here.
Speaker 8: Uh so you're working for the office now, and the
Speaker 8: office I strive. You've been consistent with your driver today,
Speaker 8: said what are you hitting a three wood?
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm looking to tell you what I'm hitting.
Speaker 3: I hit what I need to hit to get the
Speaker 3: job done. Well, I don't really know what to say
Speaker 3: to that you're you're.
Speaker 8: A unique creature in this corporate environment. I can't wait
Speaker 8: to see you thrive in it. I'm sure you'll bring
Speaker 8: a fascinating touch of personality.
Speaker 3: I'm a big.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 8: If we have our way to turn home entertainment said,
Speaker 8: you'll be just that. I heard you were offered super shudder,
Speaker 8: but it went to some other moron.
Speaker 3: Shut up, now you look.
Speaker 8: Every one of the chorus turns around, like even the
Speaker 8: next hole. It's like looking back, like, who the fuck
Speaker 8: is that?
Speaker 3: Now? You looking in my eyes? A piece of trash.
Speaker 3: What I will do next if you keep flapping your
Speaker 3: gums and chat me you black we're friends, is I
Speaker 3: will grab you by the throat. I will lift you
Speaker 3: in the air, and I will drive you down to
Speaker 3: the ground. See see it, don't don't sweat it. Man.
Speaker 3: You know we've all got that one hole that just
Speaker 3: doesn't want to cooperate. You don't even know what it
Speaker 3: means to feel the pain of a hole. Just ask arn.
Speaker 8: I don't know, Sida. I'm thinking of seven iron should
Speaker 8: get me right to the green?
Speaker 3: When's picking up a bit? Though? What do you think?
Speaker 3: You don't even know what green is? I was making
Speaker 3: the green when I'm made off any wrestle.
Speaker 8: So it's a hulk cob and so a six iron
Speaker 8: just to play it safe, is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I suppose six iron would do all right. Make sure
Speaker 3: there's a breeze in the air. It slashes to the left.
Speaker 3: That's looking good.
Speaker 8: Trust me, I know that feeling. You know you got
Speaker 8: one part of your game that's hot, Sid, another part
Speaker 8: is cold. Just have to keep your head down and
Speaker 8: play through it.
Speaker 3: You always keep your head down. That's why you'll never
Speaker 3: get ahead in the game. I'll be watching you. I'll
Speaker 3: be watching you while you sleep. It'll be clicking my
Speaker 3: knife the whole damn time. Uh sounds sounds good? Sid? Uh?
Speaker 8: I hope I hope to be open and grabbing a
Speaker 8: beer after this. I mean, let's finish strong here and
Speaker 8: and get a bruskie. What do you say, let's catch
Speaker 8: that back nine on the televisi.
Speaker 3: I don't mind getting here with you if you don't
Speaker 3: mind sharing a can of Viennas. You mean you mean
Speaker 3: the sausages?
Speaker 14: What what are you?
Speaker 3: I got a package of crackers right here. You know
Speaker 3: exactly what I mean.
Speaker 8: Hey, let me ask you something you're you're in the
Speaker 8: fin ends department, right, Yeah, yeah, indeed, Vince, I'm Vince.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you a lot what I've been watching lately.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I've been the controller for some time,
Speaker 8: and you know, trying to try to find ways to
Speaker 8: assigned to other units of turner your losses and assign
Speaker 8: the wins to you guys, contray.
Speaker 3: To popular belief? How can I get more money? What's
Speaker 3: your budget for Vienna's? Let me ask you something. Do
Speaker 3: you like Viennas?
Speaker 6: Are you?
Speaker 3: I want to just want to be clear. You're talking
Speaker 3: about the Vienna sausages. You getting like a can or
Speaker 3: whatever from you know exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: On the golf course. Shut up, Shut up the psycho
Speaker 8: Sid story. Yeah I like Vienna sausages. Yeah sure, I mean,
Speaker 8: god damn you like them. I like them so much
Speaker 8: that I could buy a case of them right now.
Speaker 3: Would you buy one hundred and fifty thousand cases?
Speaker 8: I would buy fifty thousand cases. Yes, I would donate
Speaker 8: them to the church. Oh yeah, my church. If you
Speaker 8: do that, I'll give you a sign picture of myself.
Speaker 8: If only Sid could say, if you do that, I'll
Speaker 8: give you a signed picture of myself and make it
Speaker 8: sound like a threat.
Speaker 3: So what's the problem with corporate?
Speaker 6: What a deal?
Speaker 3: I buy one hundred and fifty? I was in fucking
Speaker 3: cases of headshot.
Speaker 8: I still I still walk around picturing that garage door
Speaker 8: opening at three thirty in the morning and Memphis, Arkansas
Speaker 8: to But there's all these undistributed boxes.
Speaker 3: Like neat like, so perfectly stacked, and he's.
Speaker 8: Looking down and them like he knows what he has
Speaker 8: to do, and Frank is not gonna like it in
Speaker 8: the least.
Speaker 3: Bitch.
Speaker 8: I still I still think about it. I still think
Speaker 8: about him whispering bedside to deliver the venus. I mean
Speaker 8: I think about it all the time. I mean, I'm
Speaker 8: not kidding you, four times a day minimum, So Booker continues.
Speaker 8: We were his first kids, handpicked projects, and he wanted
Speaker 8: to personally oversee our entry and take care of us
Speaker 8: that all morning. We got out of the car and
Speaker 8: walked to an apartment door to be greeted by the
Speaker 8: man himself. The first thing I can tell you about
Speaker 8: Sid back then was that he was big, really big.
Speaker 8: Not only was he six feet nine, but he was
Speaker 8: even more freakishly muscular in person than he looked on TV.
Speaker 8: He shook our hands house trip, he must be tired
Speaker 8: as hell, Come on in. He grabbed our bags and
Speaker 8: followed Sid into the kitchen, where it was stacked to
Speaker 8: the ceiling with cases of Vienna sasna oh God, which
Speaker 8: was what I always called him back then. Big Sid
Speaker 8: into his fairly modest three bedroom apartment where we'd be
Speaker 8: staying for the duration of our tryout process. Although he
Speaker 8: was a gracious host, Sid wasn't the most social of guys.
Speaker 8: For him, this was business. If we were successful, we'd
Speaker 8: follow in his footsteps and he'd do everything he could
Speaker 8: to make that happen. Sid took us to Sting in
Speaker 8: Lex Luger's gym main event Fitness, not far from his place.
Speaker 8: When we walked in, it was a virtual cavalcade of
Speaker 8: the top guys we saw on TV. The Steiner brothers,
Speaker 8: Rick and Scott Steiner, Mister Wonderful, Paul Orndorf, Ravishing, Rick Rude,
Speaker 8: and even the icon Sting and the total package Lex
Speaker 8: Luger were there. Sid walked around as if he owned
Speaker 8: the place. I can picture that, yeah for sure, and
Speaker 8: he might as well have been, because when he started
Speaker 8: hitting the weights. Everyone took notice. It was impossible not to.
Speaker 8: We soon found out Sid was just as loud and
Speaker 8: intense in the gym as he was in the ring.
Speaker 3: And on the microphone. What what mombent that bedwn deeke phone?
Speaker 7: What might that for?
Speaker 3: Down deeck song? When he's in the.
Speaker 8: Gym, When he's in the gym, rip an iron, trying
Speaker 8: to get a point across to all these idiots, these
Speaker 8: undersized bitch asses who can't command high seven figure salaries,
Speaker 8: who yes, whoa cling?
Speaker 3: Don't understand? He said, ah, come here.
Speaker 2: And prove yes.
Speaker 12: He sent my church in case of being the sausages,
Speaker 12: and I sent him an autograph picture.
Speaker 3: Keep going, keep pumping on. You want something from me,
Speaker 3: You want to understand the loss you got there? You
Speaker 3: pump you pump iron like nobody's business. And I'll give
Speaker 3: you an autograph picture for myself. For he's so generous
Speaker 3: with those autograph pictures. It's almost like he has a
Speaker 3: full inventory of ones that he ordered with fake stamped signatures.
Speaker 3: I'm want to tell you, I'm wanna tell your secret.
Speaker 3: I haven't excess to them because Frank didn't deliver them
Speaker 3: the way he's supposed to. He was supposed to bring
Speaker 3: fifty cases of the pictures with autographs to the church,
Speaker 3: and he forgot. He slipped in. So now I have
Speaker 3: fifty bucks of fucking headshots because Frank's a bitch.
Speaker 8: And I'm like the Vienna's the homeless don't have any
Speaker 8: use for these headshot. I tried putting peanut butter on
Speaker 8: him and they wouldn't take him.
Speaker 3: I made peanut butter and jelly roll ups with the
Speaker 3: pick just nobody ate them. I wonder why.
Speaker 8: Instead of just giving them the peanut butter at the jelly,
Speaker 8: he puts it on a fucking cellophane, he puts it
Speaker 8: on a laminated headshot.
Speaker 3: Thinking you know what, you know, you know how I
Speaker 3: can get rid of these. I can have homeless people
Speaker 3: eat them. That's the play. It's a whole. It's like
Speaker 3: a whole, fucking like tray of you know, it looks
Speaker 3: like enchiladas, but it's sucking shots. It's not but it's
Speaker 3: not enchiladas. It's headshots.
Speaker 8: Talk about heilatas talking about hitting you in the head
Speaker 8: like a shot shot head shiladas.
Speaker 3: Oh is this Christ?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 8: Hey JB, this is Jesse. The body of Bendora, and
Speaker 8: I want to thank you for being a fan from
Speaker 8: the wrestling days. You had the question for me, Do
Speaker 8: I remember Sid putting peanut butter and jelly on his
Speaker 8: eight X tens?
Speaker 3: No? I really don't. I. Hey, you know this is
Speaker 3: a Jesse the body governor Ventura hi JP. Oh shit.
Speaker 3: He asked me the question, did do I remember Sid Vicious?
Speaker 3: I do remember Sid Vicious? But do I remember him
Speaker 3: putting peanut butter and jelly into his headshots and rolling
Speaker 3: them up and giving him to the homeless or you
Speaker 3: know something I don't. I don't recall that. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: put it past him to put to be honest about it,
Speaker 3: But you know what I do think?
Speaker 15: Uh?
Speaker 3: I think uh? I think headcheladas are very good.
Speaker 8: I guess this guy Sid has incredible anxiety at the
Speaker 8: thought of overstock.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? It's like because you know,
Speaker 3: you know, he spends he spends like all summer long. Okay,
Speaker 3: he spends all summer long, working so hard to make
Speaker 3: sure that his garage is empty for the fall and
Speaker 3: winter seasons. All right, Like that is it? And if
Speaker 3: he has overstock, it means it means clutter. In the
Speaker 3: garage and we may and he may not be able
Speaker 3: to park both cars, and that is just you know,
Speaker 3: it's unacceptable.
Speaker 8: No wonder Frank gets so much heat for the undistributed viennas.
Speaker 8: I mean, we're talking like square footage here that.
Speaker 3: Used to be exactly.
Speaker 8: I paid top dollar for this square footage. And because
Speaker 8: of your lazy ass, your big brothers film and lazy ass,
Speaker 8: I can't I can't park the escalade.
Speaker 3: Frank, how do you think I'm supposed to bark the
Speaker 3: accord in this garage? Frank?
Speaker 8: Let me, Frank, Frank, vienna is in there. Frank, before
Speaker 8: you say another word, I need you to recite to
Speaker 8: me the full menu of what's of what's available at
Speaker 8: the pop top at the church.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, what do we have? I know we got viennas,
Speaker 3: but what else do we have?
Speaker 16: Say it?
Speaker 3: Do we have package crackers?
Speaker 6: Frank?
Speaker 3: Do we have crackers? Frank? Do we have peanut butter
Speaker 3: and jelly? Ahead? You lott us, Well, you know we don't.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, Sean. You know, we don't do it big.
Speaker 3: We don't go over the top. All we get is
Speaker 3: a canavyan of sausages, package crackers, ball water, a moon
Speaker 3: pile or a little Debby cake and peanut butter and
Speaker 3: jelly smothering in one of my pie tens. And it's
Speaker 3: really he tries to tries to sneaking in there and
Speaker 3: move on, like he has no choice but to disclose it,
Speaker 3: like like why is he even telling this whole thing? Like,
Speaker 3: you know, the whole thing. No one would know, no
Speaker 3: one needs to know, you know, but he feels the
Speaker 3: need to disclose this information. I can smell it already.
Speaker 3: Do you know what that is? Boss?
Speaker 8: You know what I can smell? What a package arriving
Speaker 8: at the bo box? It smells like peanut butter.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, fucking a headshot. Oh yeah, fuck, it's
Speaker 3: a it's a publicity. Still a fucking of sid with
Speaker 3: peanut butter and jelly.
Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying. Lash and I book a right.
Speaker 8: Were in awe as he introduced us to everybody we passed.
Speaker 8: As we got our workout in. I saw guys like
Speaker 8: Big Papa Pump, Scott Scott Steiner doing three hundred and
Speaker 8: fifteen pounds behind the neck presses. Lord Stephen Wriegel later
Speaker 8: began William Regalan and the Wwe stared at me. Brigel
Speaker 8: was a talented wrestler who began his career at the
Speaker 8: age of fifteen, and he was clearly aware we were
Speaker 8: Sid's boys and his eyes, we were probably being expressed,
Speaker 8: driven into one of the coveted WCW spots. Maybe his
Speaker 8: is ooh nice hmm. There was no mistaking it. I
Speaker 8: was no longer in the bush league. These boys were
Speaker 8: from the big stage. I'd always dreamed of walking on too.
Speaker 8: I hoped I could earn their respect and a place
Speaker 8: among them in the ring. Now that Lash and I
Speaker 8: had a place to stay in a gym to work
Speaker 8: out in, we needed not only one more We only
Speaker 8: needed one more thing. Our first contracts and creative direction.
Speaker 8: The show was about to begin, but not before a
Speaker 8: lesson in professional wrestling contract negotiations. Sid drove us to
Speaker 8: the W'W headquarters. That's something that's something to envision. YEP
Speaker 8: stationed to Ted Turner, Seene and Center in Meridiath Street
Speaker 8: in the heart of Atlanta. Sid, Lash and I were
Speaker 8: escorted into an office where we met Olie Anderson, the
Speaker 8: original rock of professional wrestling and part of the legendary
Speaker 8: Minnesota Wrecking Crew. With Gen Anderson and then later Arn Anderson,
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 8: I cannot stand it when they have to fucking feel
Speaker 8: the need to explain shit and talk and explain people
Speaker 8: the full rundown. That's to show that they're students of
Speaker 8: the game. Oldi was retired and basically in charge of
Speaker 8: the entire company after cowboy Bill Watts had been ousted
Speaker 8: from the position. Oldi had a solid crusher handshake and
Speaker 8: got right down to business as Sid oversaw the process
Speaker 8: from the corner. Sid stands in the corner, of course,
Speaker 8: she does Harlem heat sit across the desk from Oly Anderson.
Speaker 8: Ye boys, be gruffed. We're going to start yeaut with
Speaker 8: a three year contracts at seventy thousand dollars, with the
Speaker 8: incentive to make as much as you can draw. Sky's
Speaker 8: the limit. If you do well, you'll climb the ladder.
Speaker 8: If you don't, you're going back to Texas the same
Speaker 8: way you got yourselves here. That's a fucking ollie line.
Speaker 8: Last night I looked at each other. Seventy grand was
Speaker 8: more than both of us had seen combined till that day.
Speaker 8: We were used to ten dollars nights. The moment was
Speaker 8: frozen in time. Now we were sitting in an office
Speaker 8: with Sid and only Anderson, signing our first contracts to
Speaker 8: work with the major international company. Was this really happening
Speaker 8: in the same room where many of the greats Harley Race,
Speaker 8: the Brigantream, Dusty Roads, and the h Borwick Flair got
Speaker 8: their start. No, it wasn't, Booker. I don't know what
Speaker 8: you're talking about. And they didn't have their start in
Speaker 8: this office.
Speaker 3: What do you mean the place the same room?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 8: When we left Olie's office, Sid clarified the contractor.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he did.
Speaker 8: You'll always check everything up front, guys. You'll get monthly raises,
Speaker 8: and before you know it, you'll be making ninety thousand,
Speaker 8: then one hundred thousand a year. It's all trial and error.
Speaker 8: As you'll see, you'll get paid what you're worth. Big
Speaker 8: Sid was a brilliant mentor you or.
Speaker 3: You'll get paid what I think you're worth.
Speaker 8: Guys, I know that only just promised seventy thousand in there.
Speaker 8: But I'm here to tell you this. What's he here
Speaker 8: to tell them?
Speaker 3: Boss? I'm here to tell you something about how it
Speaker 3: is to make money. Right now, making money sounds like
Speaker 3: it's a good thing. All around. I won't tell you,
Speaker 3: and I want you to look to me dead in
Speaker 3: the eye. I want you to understand that you are
Speaker 3: not just worth what you get paid. You're worth it.
Speaker 8: That is such a sad thing to say. I'm sitting
Speaker 8: here scratching my head because he would say things like that,
Speaker 8: you are not just worth what you're getting paid.
Speaker 3: You're worth what you are up here in your head,
Speaker 3: been in your heart. So if you desire things, make
Speaker 3: sure you're worth it up here and down here.
Speaker 8: If okay, hold on, if you desire things, make sure
Speaker 8: you're worth it up here and down here. That sounds
Speaker 8: like the kind of thing he would say on Nitro
Speaker 8: and then blame Vince Russo for scripting, even though no
Speaker 8: one could script that absurdity. But he would say, and
Speaker 8: it would make sense to him, absolutely it would. He
Speaker 8: knew exactly what he wanted and how to obtain it.
Speaker 8: Booker says of Sid he was a huge draw in
Speaker 8: the ring, which was the way to gain an audience backstage.
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't, He really wasn't. I mean, how many
Speaker 3: times you have to go over this. I don't understand,
Speaker 3: and people are weird when when it turns in terms
Speaker 3: of like what they think of a draw.
Speaker 8: He's in ww and no one's showing up. When he
Speaker 8: was in WCW before the Hogan program, in WWF, no
Speaker 8: one was showing up. I mean, what show were you
Speaker 8: talking talking about? WrestleMania eight?
Speaker 3: But no, what's the huge draw?
Speaker 8: And rest mean, it was a big show. But what
Speaker 8: are you pointing to empirically that says Sid put more
Speaker 8: people in the seats than would have been there if
Speaker 8: he wasn't there. Namely one show up to this point
Speaker 8: in his career that you can say that about. I mean,
Speaker 8: do you really think the who you're done would have
Speaker 8: ten thousand less people if Sid wasn't in the main event?
Speaker 8: Not at all, and Rick Flair was or somebody else.
Speaker 8: Give me a break. I'm not trying to take anything
Speaker 8: away from the guy. He really rose to the occasion
Speaker 8: and he fit, did he? When he walked out there
Speaker 8: in Indianapolis, as we talked about, he he looked the
Speaker 8: part he belonged there. Yeah, not questioning that, but the
Speaker 8: fact that like people who like him have to pretend
Speaker 8: he was also a draw in addition to making ridiculous
Speaker 8: amounts of money. It's kind of foolish. It's like, no,
Speaker 8: you call Sid when you're fucking tough shape. That's the
Speaker 8: story of his career. He shows up when you're fucked
Speaker 8: from you know, the rudderless Jim Herd WCW to a
Speaker 8: WWF that's about to lose Hulk Hogan and is just
Speaker 8: watching all the returns dissipate that they used to rely
Speaker 8: on Hogan as a cash cow to generate and a
Speaker 8: failed Ultimate Warrior experiment. He comes in to WCW again
Speaker 8: when they're absolutely on their ass with no leadership, an
Speaker 8: absolute vacuum of leadership. The lowest attendants and lowest pay
Speaker 8: per view buys they ever did was in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 8: Anyone will tell you that. And then he comes back
Speaker 8: to WWF when they're fucking on their ass post steroid
Speaker 8: trial with not a pot to piss in and nitro
Speaker 8: is starting to breathe down their neck a bit and
Speaker 8: they don't know what to do and they have the
Speaker 8: drug test aggressively. So they lost the big bodies and
Speaker 8: Sid was like someone they could plug in there that
Speaker 8: had a big body. They brought him in in ninety
Speaker 8: six again when nWo was fucking wiping the floor with him,
Speaker 8: and they couldn't do anything to recover as the Holland
Speaker 8: Nash things started to take over and the Hogan Hill
Speaker 8: turn set in. They brought him in a little bit
Speaker 8: before that, but WCW is definitely the hot shit at
Speaker 8: the time, not WWF when he came back in ninety six,
Speaker 8: and then he sticks around through the most desperate period
Speaker 8: of WWF ever where they just doing great stuff but
Speaker 8: no one cares. Yep, no one's watching. They're not winning
Speaker 8: the ratings war. And then when Sid leaves, they start
Speaker 8: winning right, and he goes w c W when they're
Speaker 8: absolutely circling the drain again and they can't find any
Speaker 8: way to make any money. But they signed Sid to
Speaker 8: a huge deal anyway, and he rides that thing all
Speaker 8: the way literally into the fucking ground. And the closer
Speaker 8: he gets to the top of the card, the bigger
Speaker 8: the fucking red ink is over there. And not to
Speaker 8: blame him, but it's coincidence. He's certainly certainly not drawing
Speaker 8: in the conventional sense.
Speaker 3: What are we talking about him? Mean, that's just it
Speaker 3: like he's always in the in in each company when
Speaker 3: they're in the bad.
Speaker 8: Yes, he's a value you call when you don't know
Speaker 8: what else to do, and that's a good spot to have.
Speaker 2: But a draw that is not It's a lap fan
Speaker 2: wrestling podcast. He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack.
Speaker 8: And he's always he's always Sids, always in the position
Speaker 8: to be like, imagine how much worse it would be
Speaker 8: if I wasn't here, Well, Sid, it probably wouldn't.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be much worse. It'd be about the same.
Speaker 3: I think he's always like, see, this is the thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's always He always comes in in
Speaker 3: a time where he can make an intriguing matchup for
Speaker 3: somebody else. Nobody's curious about. No one wants to see
Speaker 3: Sid face somebody. They want to see somebody face Sid.
Speaker 3: Ain't that the truth?
Speaker 8: When he talks about getting the Hogan spot in WWF,
Speaker 8: When he talks about taking the title of Vader at
Speaker 8: Star K ninety three, I sit there and I think
Speaker 8: to myself, that would fucking be terrible, Like Sid running
Speaker 8: with the belt like that and pretending to be like
Speaker 8: the cash cow of the whole organization. That wouldn't last
Speaker 8: more than two months. Right, That's not Sid's role. No,
Speaker 8: Sid is Sid is the opponent sid is the opponent.
Speaker 8: That's where he is intriguing, not as the guy, not
Speaker 8: as the guy, right, you know he is.
Speaker 6: He is the the the.
Speaker 3: Opponent the guy faces, absolutely right. And yes he will.
Speaker 8: He will have a charisma and he will draw in
Speaker 8: an audience like the people who are already there, like
Speaker 8: like few others with just a turn of the head.
Speaker 8: And that's a great credit to him. But him being
Speaker 8: the guy is just not going to work, I mean,
Speaker 8: and that's what's so captive about the time period We're
Speaker 8: going to spend the most time detailing later in the
Speaker 8: tribute when he actually beats Michaels for the belt in
Speaker 8: ninety six and has that run where you can kind
Speaker 8: of say he's the top guy, but he's not. I mean,
Speaker 8: you go back and examine the TV between him winning
Speaker 8: at Survivor Series ninety six and then winning it back
Speaker 8: the night after a Final four, and it's like he's
Speaker 8: he's an afterthought even as the champion. For God's sake, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: to Brett and Sean and whatever they've got going on,
Speaker 8: and to some extent, Undertaker and Steve Austin. It's just
Speaker 8: like the story of his life, even when he's the
Speaker 8: world champion. He's not a draw, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean he's like he is the epitome of like
Speaker 3: a lame duck champion.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Wresselmenia thirteen the fucking most pathetic WrestleMania ever from
Speaker 8: a business standpoint, that's his big fucking claim. Yet he's
Speaker 8: a draw because he headlined con Centertaker and no one
Speaker 8: bought the show and no one gave a shit. You know,
Speaker 8: it's crazy, but here we are, so Booker oblies to
Speaker 8: say he was a huge draw in the ring, which
Speaker 8: was the way to gain an audience backstage with the
Speaker 8: ones in the business who mattered. We have him to
Speaker 8: thank for delivering everything he said he would. All we'd
Speaker 8: needed was a shot and professional wrestling. That's more than
Speaker 8: you usually get. He even gave me my first pair
Speaker 8: of wrestling boots, the tall black type he's known for,
Speaker 8: which I still have today. With the ink drawing on
Speaker 8: the contracts in our hands, the next order of business
Speaker 8: was to sit down with Creative and learn what they
Speaker 8: had for us. Sid walked us around and introduced us
Speaker 8: to the good old boys. We met Dusty Rhodes, the
Speaker 8: figurehead of storylines, writing and booking matches, back then, there
Speaker 8: was no actual creative writers as there would be in
Speaker 8: the near future. At that time, the veterans of the game,
Speaker 8: the proven leaders in and out of the ring, were
Speaker 8: in charge, and there was none more established than Dusty.
Speaker 8: Following his lead was an impressive team of guys, including
Speaker 8: the late Mike Graham, an anointed one in the business
Speaker 8: who came from the lineage of his father Eddie Graham,
Speaker 8: A long time successful promoter and performer with Laura Champiship Wrestling,
Speaker 8: Mike was a go to guy for character development and instructions.
Speaker 8: We heard from Mike last time on the tribute show
Speaker 8: Yes recounting the Sid Squeegee incident. There was also Greg
Speaker 8: Gania greg Gania's office at this time, a one time
Speaker 8: top performer Yeah Okay for the now defunct American Wrestling
Speaker 8: Association ABA.
Speaker 3: My God, What the fuck top Performer, which had.
Speaker 8: Been one of the Big three organizations along with the
Speaker 8: World Wrestling Federation and the National Wrestling Alliance and was
Speaker 8: owned and promoted by his father, Vern Gania. Greg insured
Speaker 8: the guys knew the direction of their performances that masonly
Speaker 8: mende He walked around and gave them the finishes Lash
Speaker 8: and I were fresh from Global in Dallas, where we'd
Speaker 8: enjoyed a loyal following. Is Booker T and Stevie Ray
Speaker 8: the Ebony Experience. We'd had a creative input there, but
Speaker 8: here at the table, I recognized it was time to
Speaker 8: be a listener and nothing more. I knew nothing and
Speaker 8: was prepared for anything they had in store. Well, at
Speaker 8: least I thought I was. We were in the presence
Speaker 8: of a well established Southern good old boy mentality. He
Speaker 8: keeps saying that over and over again. I think I
Speaker 8: know what he means by good old boy, but I
Speaker 8: won't say it. And the train of thought for the
Speaker 8: directing of our careers was well interesting. We're going to
Speaker 8: change your names to Caine, Mike pointed at Lash and Cole.
Speaker 8: He indicated me better known as shy Town Heat Build
Speaker 8: from Chicago. Your story is that you've just been released
Speaker 8: from prison. You'll wear chains and shackles and jumpsuits into
Speaker 8: the ring. We think it'll get everyone's attention. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 8: that was an understatement. I couldn't help but wonder if
Speaker 8: they were ribbing me about my time in prison. Booker
Speaker 8: writes over a decade before. But then the stark reality
Speaker 8: sank in and an uneasy feeling washed over me. Yeah,
Speaker 8: you can scratch that one out, because someone brought that
Speaker 8: up to sit on a shoot interview years later in
Speaker 8: the twenty tens, and he was like, I had no
Speaker 8: idea Booker was ever in prison. So so much for
Speaker 8: sid architecting a notion here of playing off of that,
Speaker 8: But then the stark reality set in the whole idea
Speaker 8: was a big red flag. My instinct was to object
Speaker 8: until I remember the advice of my mother Junior, no
Speaker 8: one to speak up and when to shut up. Mike said,
Speaker 8: we're gonna pair you up with Robert Fuller, who'll be
Speaker 8: your manager slash master known as Colonel Parker. Why known
Speaker 8: as Colonel Parker? A plantation owner? You see that a
Speaker 8: former plantation owner. See that's the problem. It's it's not
Speaker 8: as much what they're wearing, that they have chains on,
Speaker 8: that they're released from prisondents, that Parker is the one
Speaker 8: cattling them around, right, It's that he's a you know, right,
Speaker 8: plantation owner. I mean, come on, guys, I was waiting.
Speaker 8: I know he's supposed to be the Colonel Parker, the
Speaker 8: promoter of Elvis. I know that that's what they were
Speaker 8: going for. But there's baggage there. There's baggage there that
Speaker 8: you have to that's not okay. Work hard to not see.
Speaker 8: I was waiting for them to ask us to shuck
Speaker 8: and johive book of Rights.
Speaker 3: No shit.
Speaker 8: As insane as it all seemed, the reality was that
Speaker 8: they thought this was a solid plan. This was the
Speaker 8: kind of racial obstacle Oxy Baker had warned me about
Speaker 8: back in the WWA. But he'd said, when someone draws
Speaker 8: and makes money, all the bullshit goes away. If I
Speaker 8: had to go around, under or straight through these barriers,
Speaker 8: Booker Rights rest assured I was going straight through. So
Speaker 8: let's have Sid have his say about what he had
Speaker 8: in mind as the new creative fucking Shakespeare over at
Speaker 8: WCW bringing in Harlem Heat with this, with this idea.
Speaker 8: This is from one of his shoot interviews.
Speaker 6: Oh no'bill asked me to be a part of the
Speaker 6: booking committee. So yeah, so I was.
Speaker 7: You know, I was fait as much time as I
Speaker 7: could in the office and would come up with ideas.
Speaker 7: Actually that's how I got Cron Parker and the Harlem
Speaker 7: Heat hired.
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's not forget he also brought in Parker. He
Speaker 8: didn't just bring in Booker. This goes back to him
Speaker 8: working for Continental when Fuller was the booker there in
Speaker 8: Alabama and Sid worked there as Lord Humongous and got
Speaker 8: a pretty good push, and also where he met Bruno
Speaker 8: Lauer the future down to Bruno Slash.
Speaker 7: Harvey Whippleman portrayed Deck those characters in front of only
Speaker 7: Dusky and Jim Barnett, and then Jim Barnett and Dusually.
Speaker 7: I think the holy Their concerns were that if Robert
Speaker 7: you do the character as well as I was doing that.
Speaker 6: Right, that was their original game. They were cool and something,
Speaker 6: and they came out and changed right, and he was like.
Speaker 7: It was similar. Well, this is what the whole idea was.
Speaker 7: That Colonel Parker was supposed to be. You know, this
Speaker 7: is a big flamboyant person, and how he got with
Speaker 7: the Harlem heat was at you know, at that particular time,
Speaker 7: the governor of Louisiana was a big time gambler.
Speaker 6: This is a real shoot and he always owed a
Speaker 6: lot of money, you know a lot of different things.
Speaker 6: He lost a lot of money and horse race and
Speaker 6: stuff like that.
Speaker 17: So we came up well, I came up a little
Speaker 17: story that you know, during a beat that he lost
Speaker 17: a lot of money to Colonel Parker, and Colonel Parker
Speaker 17: instead of warning the money says, you know, hey, I've
Speaker 17: proved myself being the greatest manager in wrestling because I
Speaker 17: brought said dishes in. But I wouldn't for there was
Speaker 17: two people that were nobody's so when two people off
Speaker 17: death row, and.
Speaker 7: That's why we brought it the end in like the
Speaker 7: Gene shirts and the Gene pants and they had those
Speaker 7: numbers on.
Speaker 6: Them like they were kind of just coming out of prison.
Speaker 17: And the thing about CD, he actually had some really
Speaker 17: bad scars on his back on the shoulder, and I
Speaker 17: wanted to use that to our advantage and said that
Speaker 17: that's where you know during prison that the man beat
Speaker 17: him man being the guy in charge.
Speaker 6: And that was the whole reason that Booker was in
Speaker 6: prison for real, right at one point was he he
Speaker 6: could have been I didn't know that he urged his
Speaker 6: life around and that was a huge humanitarian. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: didn't know that.
Speaker 7: But the main thing was this is that you know,
Speaker 7: cdium really looked at him. And this is things too.
Speaker 7: I had was being taught this in the businesses, you know,
Speaker 7: we didn't have real know they'd have a strap mash,
Speaker 7: usually to get out of a angle or something like that.
Speaker 6: So I said, what was it? You start strap match
Speaker 6: from the beginning.
Speaker 7: And these two guys, you know, had been in jail
Speaker 7: for the last you know how many years being strapped
Speaker 7: by the man. Now they're gonna get the revenge on
Speaker 7: the man. They're gonna strap everybody they see. I mean,
Speaker 7: what happened is that they were trapping other people. And
Speaker 7: you know, working in the w c W at that
Speaker 7: particular time, you know Sinner's being you know, one of
Speaker 7: the top ten teams.
Speaker 6: You're going to work with them, with the Road Warriors
Speaker 6: or somebody like that.
Speaker 7: So at least when you got to a point like that,
Speaker 7: you could have a real gimmick match, because these guys
Speaker 7: had been trapping people for some time.
Speaker 6: But Dusty didn't like.
Speaker 7: It because I wasn't his idea from understanding, and they
Speaker 7: came and said it was too racial to me.
Speaker 6: How can that be racial? These are two black guys
Speaker 6: trapping white people, you know.
Speaker 16: And so then.
Speaker 7: This movement not an argument, just a battle of words
Speaker 7: between me and Dusty were he wanted to call.
Speaker 17: Him Shinetown Heat or something like that, and I said, well,
Speaker 17: I wanted to call him a Posse, but a movie
Speaker 17: just came out called The Posse. I didn't want to
Speaker 17: copy that. Hindsight, I wish I would have. That would
Speaker 17: have been a better name for him.
Speaker 7: And it's nothing wrong by copying people, and I just
Speaker 7: didn't know that at the time. So I said, we'll
Speaker 7: call them the Harlem hell Raisers. They were building themselves
Speaker 7: already from Harlem. So and bickering back and forth, I
Speaker 7: just succumbed to Harlem Heat versus he was going to
Speaker 7: call the Shottown He pretty much had was the Roague.
Speaker 6: Warriors, Gill. You know, so this is that said road warriors.
Speaker 6: You know, so this is Calm. I said, they've been
Speaker 6: building themselves some Harlem, So this is cal Harlem Heat.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I don't see how it's racial if they're
Speaker 8: beating the shit out of white wrestlers and the fans
Speaker 8: to chant like they want to kill them. You know,
Speaker 8: I can see the I could see the inverse. We're like,
Speaker 8: you know, the black wrestler was the babyface and was
Speaker 8: being victimized by a racist white heel, and then you know,
Speaker 8: the racist white heel gets his come up ins right,
Speaker 8: So you can see it's a Catharsis thing. You can
Speaker 8: kind of make that claim, you can, like with Jy
Speaker 8: D and stuff, But here it's like it's not racial
Speaker 8: because they're beating up white wrestlers. Know what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know the fact that the entire everything else,
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, it's everything else that that makes
Speaker 3: it a racist thing, you dumb ass. I mean, do
Speaker 3: you look at the guys you see escape prisoners, you know, right,
Speaker 3: I mean just seeing them come down in chains is
Speaker 3: not okay.
Speaker 8: That's what was so cool about the Harlem he gimmick
Speaker 8: is there was no you know, they were just a
Speaker 8: great tag team. You know, I guess being from Harlem,
Speaker 8: you know the way they talked and that's how they talked. Uh,
Speaker 8: there was you know, it was racialized, I guess a
Speaker 8: little bit in that. You know, they were very their
Speaker 8: identity as black men was front and center to the
Speaker 8: presentation in some ways, but it wasn't. They were just
Speaker 8: a tag team that that was a couple of black
Speaker 8: guys that knew how to wrestle. Well, you know, it's
Speaker 8: like that's how that's that's the play, that's the move.
Speaker 8: But now they saw some sort of like character in
Speaker 8: these guys because they were an an American tag team.
Speaker 3: It's like, so that didn't that didn't go well.
Speaker 8: It was taped, we've seen We've seen glimpses of it
Speaker 8: from the w W archives and some documentaries and such.
Speaker 8: I think even the match where they came out dressed
Speaker 8: up like that on a on a center stage television
Speaker 8: taping is out there somewhere. I think they've they've shown
Speaker 8: it before, but obviously it didn't go anywhere. I don't
Speaker 8: think it even made national TV. Several saw the gimmick,
Speaker 8: and you know, to hear Booker describe in the book,
Speaker 8: like the wrestlers observing the outfits that they were showing
Speaker 8: up in and got of a look on their face.
Speaker 8: They you know, they they knew, especially in a company
Speaker 8: that let Bill Watts go for the reasons they did. Right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: this is not gonna it's not gonna go well. There
Speaker 8: is a lack of cultural awareness here that's leading to
Speaker 8: this getting greenlit. And I think even Bishoffa said in
Speaker 8: the past that he was kind of horrified by it
Speaker 8: and didn't want to see it proceed. But it got
Speaker 8: through enough of the checks and balances that they went
Speaker 8: out there in front of the people and taped a
Speaker 8: match as Caan and Cole the death row guys. I
Speaker 8: guess Sid had this. I don't know why he thinks
Speaker 8: it's such a stroke of genius, but the idea that
Speaker 8: somehow the Louisiana governor, to get out of gambling debt,
Speaker 8: agreed to give Colonel Parker two guys who were on
Speaker 8: death row in Louisiana give him over to him to
Speaker 8: manage as a tag team was like a stroke of genius.
Speaker 8: It's like what the governor, what are you talking? What
Speaker 8: are you talking about?
Speaker 3: Sid? Like what is this?
Speaker 8: Like you see something in the USA today? And now
Speaker 8: we all have to like hear that. There's no way
Speaker 8: that they could get that complex of a backstory across
Speaker 8: on a wrestling television show, especially at WCW show in
Speaker 8: nineteen ninety three. I mean whatever, So that's but look
Speaker 8: that's how Harlem Heat got their foot in the door
Speaker 8: and then they navigated from there. For Booker T's part,
Speaker 8: I mean he says that basically they came up with
Speaker 8: the Harlem Heat name and a meeting with Dusty Rhodes
Speaker 8: this idea that like you know, Sid came up with
Speaker 8: Harlem whatever, and it doesn't. I think he's kind of
Speaker 8: I think it's kind of engineering some role of authorship
Speaker 8: in what Booker and Stevie ultimately became as opposed to
Speaker 8: the initial vision. Booker says in his book the fans
Speaker 8: were offended with the presentation when they went out there
Speaker 8: in Atlanta, and that Olly and Sid gathered and only
Speaker 8: tells them, you know what, we're gonna shut this thing
Speaker 8: down immediately, too much heat. There's a creative meeting, and
Speaker 8: this is where Booker says in his book that Dusty
Speaker 8: was like, well, we need to figure out something else
Speaker 8: to call you guys, because we think you have potentially
Speaker 8: we want to keep you around. And and that's when
Speaker 8: Booker says he suggested Harlem Heat, thinking we love black
Speaker 8: exploitation movies. Booker and Stevie loved black exploitation movies. And
Speaker 8: that's where sucker comes from, right, because then Shaft used
Speaker 8: to say sucker all the time. Yeah, that's how they
Speaker 8: say that in their promos, and that's where they came
Speaker 8: up with Harlem Heat. But Booker does say that it
Speaker 8: was Sid's backing that was really cited is the reason
Speaker 8: that they weren't just dropped cold after that failed tryout,
Speaker 8: because you know, I'm sure if Ollie had his way,
Speaker 8: these guys are the shets. You know, he'd blame the talent,
Speaker 8: you know, instead of the the lack of accountability along
Speaker 8: the chain to red flag this thing. But because Sid
Speaker 8: was behind Booker t, they didn't fire them, and they tried.
Speaker 8: They went back to the drawing board and tried to
Speaker 8: figure out something else to do with them. And Sid
Speaker 8: actually did wrestle for a handful of occasions with Harlem
Speaker 8: Heat and six man tag matches to get them well
Speaker 8: spotlet I think, mostly on the ww House shieldo. And
Speaker 8: this is around the time Bischoff comes in and by
Speaker 8: the time War Games gets ready to happen. I mean,
Speaker 8: my god, Harlem Heat just a couple of weeks, a
Speaker 8: couple of months in the territory. They're in the War Games,
Speaker 8: remember that in the main event. That's right, totally insane
Speaker 8: to realize how relatively immature they were on a national
Speaker 8: stage before getting into the wargame's main event. But that's
Speaker 8: all that's all due to Sid, That's all, you know,
Speaker 8: Sid getting getting people hired because of this way that
Speaker 8: he held, and upon Sid's passing, Booker T took to
Speaker 8: his own podcast, Reality of Wrestling to reflect a little
Speaker 8: bit on how it hit him looking back on what
Speaker 8: Sid did for him in w CW and his brother.
Speaker 14: It's been a rough day for me. Uh, it's been
Speaker 14: a real rough day. We lost Sid Vicious.
Speaker 12: Yeah, man.
Speaker 14: Sid actually was the dude that got me and my
Speaker 14: brother I break phone call, came to the Global Wrestling Federation,
Speaker 14: the sportatory him and pretty much to rest his history,
Speaker 14: Sid Vicious brought me and my brother in. He said, hey, ma,
Speaker 14: I'm gonna get you guys, and I'm gonna get you in.
Speaker 14: Probably about six months later, me and my brothers was
Speaker 14: in w CW, and not just in w CW, was
Speaker 14: staying at sid viscous apartment, uh park the Park apartments
Speaker 14: right there and marry out of Georgia. And uh he
Speaker 14: didn't have to do that. I mean, Sid didn't have
Speaker 14: to do that. I mean, but he went out on
Speaker 14: the limb just for me and my brother to actually
Speaker 14: give us a springboard right off the bat first pay
Speaker 14: per view, first pay per view, I was in the
Speaker 14: main event with Sid Vicious, you know, right here in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 6: All because of Sid.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 14: See, it made sure me and my brother got that
Speaker 14: spot two rookies, man, two green horns, you know, in
Speaker 14: the main event, and a pay per view that you
Speaker 14: know that was being debut Dusty Roads. You know, I
Speaker 14: came out of the mine of Dusty Rhoads. And man,
Speaker 14: what a time, Man, what a time I've been. I've
Speaker 14: been thinking about that all day today, man, ever since
Speaker 14: I heard I got a phone call, accident, got the news,
Speaker 14: and all day heaven just going back in time and
Speaker 14: going back to the early nineties. Man, it was such
Speaker 14: a freaking ride, Sisious, the one that kicked that ride off. Man,
Speaker 14: I'm just I'm just glad I got here to see Sid.
Speaker 14: I don't know, maybe six months year or two a
Speaker 14: year ago, and uh, I'm just glad I got a
Speaker 14: chance to tell Sid VI's just thank you. I swear
Speaker 14: to God, that's what I told Sid.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 14: I give him all the praise for getting me and
Speaker 14: my brother in and doing what he did for us. Man,
Speaker 14: I just I told him, I just wanted to thank
Speaker 14: him for everything. If he had personally in his face,
Speaker 14: you know, to his face. I wanted to thank him
Speaker 14: for everything that he did for me and my brother,
Speaker 14: and I'm just glad I got a chance to do that.
Speaker 14: Said it definitely was the guy that springboard you know,
Speaker 14: my brother and my my career to the next level.
Speaker 14: Put us in great position right off the bat. And
Speaker 14: and the thing is, I still don't even really know
Speaker 14: why said did that for us. You know, it's always
Speaker 14: always wonder, you know, you know what would have been
Speaker 14: my brother and I what would have been what would
Speaker 14: have been our route if it wasn't for said Vicious.
Speaker 8: I mean, I hate to say it, book I mean,
Speaker 8: do you want to know the reason why? Because he
Speaker 8: had an idea for death row gimmick and you thought
Speaker 8: you guys would make great prisoners. Well, look, how you
Speaker 8: get in the business is how you get in the
Speaker 8: business is what you do right from there along the way,
Speaker 8: how you navigate. So I understand all of the deference
Speaker 8: to Sid from Booker there and and and the praise
Speaker 8: to SID for getting them that opportunity, because he knows
Speaker 8: that they would have been fucking gone on and scapegoaded
Speaker 8: for that whole disaster if SID didn't have their backing
Speaker 8: from an office perspective, and if getting rid of the
Speaker 8: Harlem heat wasn't seen as a slight to Sid, which
Speaker 8: it would have been. So Sid took care of people
Speaker 8: along the way, particularly as he was trying again to
Speaker 8: forge a new identity as someone who could be helpful
Speaker 8: in the office as well as in the ring, which
Speaker 8: is just hilarious and doomed to fail. But we mentioned
Speaker 8: that another beneficiary of Sid's newfound sway, Sid's newfound influence
Speaker 8: is Colonel Robert Parker.
Speaker 9: And it was.
Speaker 8: At the Slambourree nineteen ninety three pay per view in
Speaker 8: May of nineteen ninety three that Van Hammer is in
Speaker 8: the ring to face a mystery opponent, and we are
Speaker 8: subjected for the first time to this Colonel Robert Parker character.
Speaker 8: And not only is he here to tell us who
Speaker 8: he is and what he's about, but he's here to
Speaker 8: introduce us to his charge, the returning Sid.
Speaker 3: Here comes.
Speaker 18: See Gurney very right up here.
Speaker 3: I was holding a stretcher that is contentable.
Speaker 10: I'm not to introduce to you now for three hundred
Speaker 10: pounds from mister ten a thief.
Speaker 3: Oh lord, you get off on your feet.
Speaker 13: Were a shoe of a stick for the man then
Speaker 13: rules the world. Sick fishup, Oh my, get that going
Speaker 13: over here.
Speaker 3: Long, Coco.
Speaker 13: We don't want help to hold here, Cooper n Father,
Speaker 13: get the god old the hair, Coco.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be holding the concas respas.
Speaker 11: I got a paper here, I tell you World Championship Wrestling.
Speaker 3: Better buy a few more kurneyes. Sit Vicious making its
Speaker 3: lighting the line.
Speaker 13: Meanwhile that Heather.
Speaker 3: Has destroyed the journey.
Speaker 13: Honey outside, sit Vicious hit back.
Speaker 3: Why here we go?
Speaker 8: So Sid gets in there and he's back, and he
Speaker 8: absolutely fucking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, better buy a few more gurneys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you're wondering if Bischoff was in power yet,
Speaker 8: let the fact that Larry's obisco is on color his
Speaker 8: old age body. He'll be the answer there. So Sid
Speaker 8: gets in the ring and absolutely obliterates van Hammer, and
Speaker 8: you know, he does what he has to do to
Speaker 8: be Sid right, the same thing that he had a
Speaker 8: fit over warrior pulling on him. Yeah, this is who
Speaker 8: the war ultimate warrior is, the ultimate Warrior has to
Speaker 8: do these things to be the ultimate warrior, to be
Speaker 8: who the people buy into. Now he's coming into WCW
Speaker 8: and he's gonna he's gonna run people over, even if,
Speaker 8: as the shoot interview that Sid did with Hannibal indicates,
Speaker 8: van Hammer wanted a little something more out of the deal,
Speaker 8: it's not gonna happen. Sid's in town.
Speaker 17: So we're sitting there and van Hammer is telling me
Speaker 17: all about all the stuff he's going to do, being
Speaker 17: bing bing.
Speaker 7: I said, no, do this what we're going to do
Speaker 7: where how you know he did his interest in talk.
Speaker 7: Come in, I'm gonna do this, Jill, can you kitch
Speaker 7: you to get power bombing?
Speaker 6: And that's it? And he looked around him and Bill said,
Speaker 6: I guess that's what we're doing.
Speaker 8: Bill Dundee, of course, Oh my god. It was front
Speaker 8: office and Aussie, I mean sits back. I mean this guy, please,
Speaker 8: he's just gonna squash everybody and that's the way it's
Speaker 8: going to be.
Speaker 3: And no one says.
Speaker 8: So he's back, and he kills van Hammer on the show,
Speaker 8: Power bombs him to hell in seconds, and van Hammer
Speaker 8: is essentially never heard from again until the Flock Days.
Speaker 8: So he's back and again mentioning that the shredder thing
Speaker 8: he got into that life right exactly. He was just
Speaker 8: left over from Jim Hurd's many failed attempts to create
Speaker 8: characters that appeal to children, including the rocker Van Hammer
Speaker 8: that he pushed to the moon and fizzled out, but
Speaker 8: still haven't. Of course, still in a contract back then,
Speaker 8: better believe it under contract throughout the whole nineties in
Speaker 8: w c W, despite never resonating in any way, shape
Speaker 8: or form, that was w CW. So again the movie thing,
Speaker 8: you know, with the Turner crossover, He tells Hannibal does
Speaker 8: Sid that when he worked for Turner, w W presented
Speaker 8: somebody who ran a promotion for when things came up
Speaker 8: for movie parts and stuff like that. Guess his name
Speaker 8: is Barry Norman. And this is a guy who would like,
Speaker 8: I guess, look around w CW for people in movie
Speaker 8: parts that that that they needed. And the guy from Maine,
Speaker 8: I guess, so he got him the gig with the Yeah,
Speaker 8: Barry Norman's his name. He runs the theater Familiar Evening
Speaker 8: Star Cinema, Brunswick, Maine. Perhaps he's a perhaps he's a
Speaker 8: presenter of plays as well. I'm not sure I know,
Speaker 8: but he says, Sid straight up says that this guy
Speaker 8: got him a gig with the Ninja Turtles movie where
Speaker 8: he was going to be Super Shredder, but according to Sid,
Speaker 8: only said no, we can't let Sid take those days
Speaker 8: off to do movies. Give it to Kevin Nash, who
Speaker 8: they were one going to do shit with post Oz
Speaker 8: after Oz, and thus Kevin Nash gets his first major
Speaker 8: role as Super Shrudder, but that was going to be Sid.
Speaker 8: According to Sid, he says, that's what happens when I
Speaker 8: was in the business, and this is great for me,
Speaker 8: But as far as trying to attain an acting career,
Speaker 8: they're not going to give you the days off because
Speaker 8: the business is a lot different. They would work out
Speaker 8: by the public about the loser leaves town or all
Speaker 8: that stuff to get time off, but Sid said it
Speaker 8: just that wasn't happening. So the other times he had
Speaker 8: a chance to really get into the movies we're talking about.
Speaker 8: You know, if you're not in California, it becomes hard.
Speaker 8: And his son was trying to break into the business
Speaker 8: at the time he did this interview. He said, you
Speaker 8: can ask my son about that. And eventually, after graduating college,
Speaker 8: talks about his sun a bit and he says the
Speaker 8: only person ever made it in movies was the Rock.
Speaker 3: He says.
Speaker 8: Eventually he ended up doing six or seven movies, and
Speaker 8: we did share with you just last week on the
Speaker 8: main Feed the episode of Under the Cinemat for one
Speaker 8: of the low budget films that Sid actually he was able.
Speaker 3: To do in his time. One. Yes, oh yes, River
Speaker 3: of Darkness, Boss. River of Darkness. What a piece of garbage.
Speaker 3: Oh it was bad, I mean, that was.
Speaker 1: It.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 3: It was really bad. I mean it's it's a a
Speaker 3: straight to video movie and it was. It was just awful.
Speaker 3: And Kevin Nash in it as well. Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, Kurd Angle, Kevin Nash, Sid It's it's
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of star studded cast there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, it does film out of Pittsburgh. He also
Speaker 8: did a film called Stranded, and he apparently does a
Speaker 8: deal in like a mockingbird kind of movie where he
Speaker 8: doesn't have a speaking part, but he was dead the
Speaker 8: whole time.
Speaker 3: And yeah he and he and Nash are dead brothers,
Speaker 3: so he can.
Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, is that River Darkness. That's River Darkness, River Darkness. Yeah,
Speaker 8: in this interview he starts talking about it. That's a
Speaker 8: different movie from River of Darkness. But oh, I see
Speaker 8: it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Sorry he's a.
Speaker 2: Lapsed fan Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
Speaker 1: and JP Soro, and he.
Speaker 8: Talked about, you know that he had a planned when
Speaker 8: he got in the business. He wanted to get out
Speaker 8: at forty and he was thirty three at this time
Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety three upon returning to WCW, so wow,
Speaker 8: you could see some you know, one or two juicy
Speaker 8: movie offers, maybe paving the path for a life beyond wrestling,
Speaker 8: which apparently he was seeing for himself within the decade.
Speaker 8: And then of course in WCW at the time as
Speaker 8: well was arn Anderson and this Boss is where our
Speaker 8: reality sets in October twenty seventh, nineteen ninety three, following
Speaker 8: a WCW live event in Blackburn, England. For all is
Speaker 8: for all the misery that was the WCW balance sheet
Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety three, there were some bright spots when
Speaker 8: they were able to get over to Europe. They had
Speaker 8: you know, pretty strong shows in England and Ireland and
Speaker 8: then around this point in nineteen ninety three as well
Speaker 8: as Germany. This was the tour of course where mckfuley
Speaker 8: gets his ear torn off in the Ropes against Vader,
Speaker 8: and it's a trip worth making for WCW is they
Speaker 8: try to find a place where they can actually turn
Speaker 8: a profit, and so everyone has to go over there.
Speaker 3: Not everyone, but many do, I imagine most.
Speaker 8: And so when we talk about the CID arm fight,
Speaker 8: there's just multiple perspectives. It's it's postmodern and the amount
Speaker 8: of perspectives there are on this thing. And we're going
Speaker 8: to do it damned just here in the TLF tribute
Speaker 8: to Sid because there's really no better place to get
Speaker 8: into this then right here, to try to lay down
Speaker 8: something approximating a fact pattern that takes most of the
Speaker 8: important perspectives into account. I want to start here with
Speaker 8: the book of at the time WCW ring announcer Gary
Speaker 8: Michael Kippetta, who's a shrewd observer of all that's happening
Speaker 8: around him in the business. He's kind of it's kind
Speaker 8: of a pain in the ass, but at the same time,
Speaker 8: he is somebody that sits in a unique vantage point
Speaker 8: and ended up in a position where he could just
Speaker 8: dish on everybody and had nothing to lose. At the time,
Speaker 8: with interviews and podcasts and such, was very open about,
Speaker 8: you know, being from Pennsylvania and getting his start working
Speaker 8: WWF shows under the auspices of the Pennsylvania Stated have
Speaker 8: led a commission about George of Horian's practices and stuff.
Speaker 8: So he's kind of a a He's a truth teller
Speaker 8: in a lot of ways, and you might not believe
Speaker 8: what he says is the truth. But he's not one
Speaker 8: of those guys that's wasn't me. I wasn't directly involved that.
Speaker 8: I won't comment. He will comment. Gary Michael Copetta will comment.
Speaker 8: By the way, I'm realizing who I'm thinking of in
Speaker 8: terms of Barry Norman. Oh yeah, Norman is the host
Speaker 8: of the BBC film series that I've used. Oh, of
Speaker 8: course for cinemat That's not this guy. That's not different
Speaker 8: Barry Norman. That's but that same name. That's why I'm
Speaker 8: like Barry Norman. I know, fucking Barry Nan. I thought
Speaker 8: you may have worked a theater for him or something
Speaker 8: or no summer.
Speaker 3: Second of definitely something like I knew the name for something.
Speaker 8: So Gary Michael Capetta of course, was on the road
Speaker 8: for WWT the time and has the perspective not so
Speaker 8: much as someone you know, involved in breaking up the fight,
Speaker 8: but involved in kind of observing the publicity that this
Speaker 8: happening overseas, with these wild wrestlers being in an England
Speaker 8: hotel room generated so he's kind of got that perspective
Speaker 8: on it as well. I turned to you, boss, if
Speaker 8: you could share with the Solar System GMC's recollections of
Speaker 8: this thing to get us started.
Speaker 3: On Tuesday morning, the buses were waiting at Gatwick Airport
Speaker 3: for the one hundred and fifty mile trek to Cardiff, Wales.
Speaker 3: The first event of the Halloween Havoc ninety three tour
Speaker 3: would be held that same evening. We arrived at the
Speaker 3: Cardiff Marriott at noon, allowing us just enough to time
Speaker 3: to eat, take a short nap and be ready to
Speaker 3: board the bus once again at five for the short
Speaker 3: trip to the International Arena. After a fairly successful Cardiff show,
Speaker 3: we were whisked off once again for a late night
Speaker 3: sixteen one hundred and sixty mile journey to Blackburn, the
Speaker 3: sight of the next night's event. Although everyone was understandably exhausted,
Speaker 3: spirits were high and spirits were flowing throughout the motor
Speaker 3: coach that served us as our home on wheels for
Speaker 3: the next week. Not a problem, not a problem. Nope,
Speaker 3: let's just get drunk. Most of the seats in the
Speaker 3: bus were of the standard of the standard Dard variety. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe it's a standard of variety and it's a double
Speaker 3: thing there. I think that's what it is. Yeah, facing forward, okay.
Speaker 3: In some of the sections, pairs of seats faced each other,
Speaker 3: separated by drop down tables with a built in with
Speaker 3: built in drink holders. The rear quarter of the coach
Speaker 3: was separated from the rest of the seats by a
Speaker 3: bathroom equipped with a drop down bed. This back section
Speaker 3: of the specially built tour bus usually served as private
Speaker 3: quarters for the show's headliner. On this particular evening, I
Speaker 3: shared the cubicle with Arn Anderson tour manager Phil Bowdry,
Speaker 3: and overflowing coolers of beer and soda. As guys continually
Speaker 3: wandered back to the makeshift bar, we chatted about the
Speaker 3: upcoming stops and the number of tickets already sold. Arn,
Speaker 3: one of the most respected guys in the business, expresses
Speaker 3: appreciation to Phil for the way BCC took care of us.
Speaker 3: It was a relaxing conversation. At the end of a
Speaker 3: NonStop five day trek. We arrived with the Moat House Hotel,
Speaker 3: Brother Mote Mote tier House, Big Protel.
Speaker 8: I think BCC, by the way, is the local promotions
Speaker 8: company that they partnered with for the tour.
Speaker 3: I thought it maybe have been a big Caucasian cock
Speaker 3: in England. Maybe, I guess that makes sense. The little
Speaker 3: Caucasian cock maybe makes sense. The British cock Casting Company.
Speaker 3: There it is, there it is. We arrived at the
Speaker 3: Mote tier House Hotel in Blackburn after midnight. The receptionist
Speaker 3: on duty was pleased to report that the lounge remained
Speaker 3: open as a courtesy to their American guests. The temptation
Speaker 3: was too great for several of the wrestlers to resist,
Speaker 3: so they moved. But here we go, So they moved
Speaker 3: the festivities from the bus to the bar, and the
Speaker 3: boozing began once again. The rest of us dragged our
Speaker 3: sleep deprived bodies off to our rooms to recuperate from
Speaker 3: the short naps, transatlantic antics, and late night road trips
Speaker 3: of the preceding days. There was nothing I desired more
Speaker 3: than a full night's sleep. It was one o'clock when
Speaker 3: I finally plopped into bed for what I thought would
Speaker 3: be a sound, peaceful rest. But the sounds that stirred
Speaker 3: me from my slumber were far from peaceful. Shouting and
Speaker 3: pounding jolted me back into consciousness. My brother, can't you pitch.
Speaker 8: That exhausted jet lag feeling? And then you finally feel
Speaker 8: like you've carved off the time to catch up? And
Speaker 8: then everyone then for some reason others just didn't get
Speaker 8: the memo, And.
Speaker 2: The more.
Speaker 3: Frustrating then, like when you're on the verge of like
Speaker 3: getting such much desired rest and then something just ruins it.
Speaker 3: Oh all right. My first thought was that the boys
Speaker 3: were just rough housing up and down the hall. I
Speaker 3: then realized the racket was taking place just outside my door.
Speaker 3: Seconds later, I heard funderous thumps or wax against either
Speaker 3: of the walls or the doors, or both. I couldn't
Speaker 3: be sure. The pictures and mirrors that hung in my
Speaker 3: room vibrated with the power of each impact. I quickly
Speaker 3: became convinced that this wrestling was for real. Alarmed, I
Speaker 3: moved closer to the door. There was no security peephole
Speaker 3: to see what was happening on the other side, so
Speaker 3: I impulsively reached for the doorknob. Between the smacking sounds,
Speaker 3: which continued without a pause, I heard the intense, persistent
Speaker 3: shrieks of a determined but desperate voice. It was the
Speaker 3: voice of said vicious correct Orn. I've heard enough. Oh
Speaker 3: my god. A few seconds of silence, then a whack Arn,
Speaker 3: it's got to end a little more agitated, another whack on,
Speaker 3: let's settle this right now. I heard the door across
Speaker 3: the hall burst open, a smack of flesh, and the
Speaker 3: struggling of two bodies bouncing off walls, heavy heaving grunts
Speaker 3: and groans during the scene of sounds. I nervously backed
Speaker 3: away from the door. Then I couldn't move. I should have.
Speaker 3: I should have picked up the phone to call for help,
Speaker 3: but I didn't. I couldn't. I was frozen in fear.
Speaker 3: By the time I regained my composer sure, the commotion
Speaker 3: had subsided into quiet murmurs of concern and shock. At
Speaker 3: the bloody aftermath of the fight, Sid was removed from
Speaker 3: the scene. As the boys huddled around Arn in the
Speaker 3: crimson splattered hall, WCW's head of security, Doug Dellinger, and
Speaker 3: Vader inspected the lacerations that covered the face and upper
Speaker 3: body of their bewildered and bloody friend Arn. Looked up
Speaker 3: at Vader, repeating over and over again, Leon, you know me.
Speaker 3: I don't carry a knife. You know me, brother, I
Speaker 3: never carry a knife. By now the Blackburn police and
Speaker 3: emergency squad members had joined the crowd. Both wrestlers were
Speaker 3: taken to the hospital and we were left to sort
Speaker 3: out exactly what had transpired. Lay it on too little
Speaker 3: sleep and too much alcohol. If not in Blackburn, it
Speaker 3: could have been London or Munich, or Hamburg or Birmingham, England,
Speaker 3: or Alabama. Given the circumstances, it was bound to happen.
Speaker 3: The only surprise was that it didn't happen sooner. The
Speaker 3: bad blood had begun to boil in the hotel bar
Speaker 3: when the conversation turned to the politics and the pecking
Speaker 3: order within wcw Arn defended his best buddy in booker
Speaker 3: Brick Flair, when Vicious accused Flair of unfairly promoting his
Speaker 3: pals instead of the wrestlers who could draw money. Sid
Speaker 3: sees himself as a draw and he knows Anderson and
Speaker 3: Flair are pals, they are really more like brothers. He
Speaker 3: was well aware of the bond and the loyalty that
Speaker 3: for years had existed between the two veterans. Arn aimed
Speaker 3: for sid sore spot with disparaging remarks about his limited
Speaker 3: sorry a limited wrestling ability and overrated reputation. When voices
Speaker 3: were raised and threats were traded, Devnger sent both wrestlers
Speaker 3: to their rooms for the night. Arm's room, Arn's room
Speaker 3: was across from mind well what it's worth And we'll
Speaker 3: hear this later.
Speaker 8: When Syd recounts the story, he says that the reason
Speaker 8: they went back to the rooms was because everyone was
Speaker 8: down in the bar thinking that the food that had
Speaker 8: been ordered for the wrestlers was going to be at
Speaker 8: the bar, and then they found out that the food
Speaker 8: had actually been delivered everybody's room, and that's why they
Speaker 8: go to the room, not that they were ordered up
Speaker 8: to their room. So let the first discrepancy.
Speaker 3: They weren't ordered up their room. The orders were in there.
Speaker 8: He got that, he got that mixed up. But I'm
Speaker 8: sure there's these little details along the way that that
Speaker 8: might make Sid seem a little bit more crazy or
Speaker 8: a little bit more of an instigator here that he
Speaker 8: he recasts. You know, he's got curious details about things
Speaker 8: like that, like who cares were the food? Like what
Speaker 8: are you talking about. But I feel like it's got
Speaker 8: to be self serving that the food is what brought
Speaker 8: them upstairs instead of a disciplinary You.
Speaker 3: Know, yes, crack of the way, because what did he do.
Speaker 3: He was just out there to get his dinner.
Speaker 8: Right exactly. They weren't sent up there because because he
Speaker 8: already started shit.
Speaker 3: Sids was on the opposite side of the hotel. Arne
Speaker 3: did what he was told. Sid stopped at his room,
Speaker 3: picked up a chair and carried it over to our corridor.
Speaker 3: He was like a man possessed, like a wounded animal
Speaker 3: that has found itself trapped, wounded by Arn's words, trapped
Speaker 3: by their inscapable truth. Sid returned for revenge. This was
Speaker 3: no longer the result of lips loosened by alcohol and
Speaker 3: hurt feelings. This was a premeditated attack. Arn, whose barbs
Speaker 3: can be biting, hit the bull's eye with his verbal assault. Sid,
Speaker 3: incapable of countering, retaliated the only way he knew how.
Speaker 3: Once Arn was lured into the hall, Sid was armed
Speaker 3: for the ambush. The battering of Sid's chair against Arn's
Speaker 3: door explained the power packed thumps that had vibrated the
Speaker 3: walls of my room when the repeated pounding and talents continued.
Speaker 3: Arn grabbed the only weapon he had with which to
Speaker 3: protect himself, a pair of scissors from his grooming kites.
Speaker 3: When he opened the door, Vicious cracked him over the
Speaker 3: head with the chair. Why is a stop? Why is
Speaker 3: it funny? Because it's like it's such an unnecessary thing
Speaker 3: to do, you know, like it's such a wrestling thing.
Speaker 3: You know, nobody fucking grabs a chair, knocks on a
Speaker 3: door and smashes somebody with it.
Speaker 15: Thank you.
Speaker 8: That's what That's the kind of perspective I'm looking for,
Speaker 8: you know, like nobody fucking does that. Like this guy
Speaker 8: doesn't know the difference between a wrestling fight and a
Speaker 8: real fight like he does. He'll hurt you, for real,
Speaker 8: But some of the history onics in there will make
Speaker 8: you wonder if it's a work.
Speaker 3: Like you, if you're gonna hurt, if you're gonna fight somebody,
Speaker 3: you just fucking fight them.
Speaker 8: You know, you don't cut a promo, We're gonna finish this.
Speaker 8: You don't make a big scene out of banging on
Speaker 8: his door. Definitely don't go and get a squeegee. Such
Speaker 8: a gimmick.
Speaker 3: This guy, he's such a goof The two then wrestled
Speaker 3: for control of the shears, stabbing each other as they
Speaker 3: bounced off the walls. God, if you would scored the
Speaker 3: fight from the gashes scarring both men's bodies, Sid would
Speaker 3: be declared the winner. But judging from the sentiments expressed
Speaker 3: by the wrestlers, it was a no contest. Arn was
Speaker 3: the crowd favorite. Oh, it was no contest. Arn was
Speaker 3: a crowd favorite. You'd have to know these two guys
Speaker 3: to understand why Sid and Arn came from each other.
Speaker 3: From places as far apart as can be, each views
Speaker 3: the wrestling business from an entirely opposite perspective. The the
Speaker 3: ease with which Sid came by a success had caused
Speaker 3: him to show little appreciation for his position. For Arn,
Speaker 3: on the other hand, it's a matter of pride. He
Speaker 3: has worked long and hard to rise to the top
Speaker 3: of his game. The respect he shows for his craft
Speaker 3: has been formed by overcoming challenges Sid has never faced.
Speaker 3: Sid is blessed with the genetics of Superman and the
Speaker 3: luck of an irishman, but is shackled by the ignorance
Speaker 3: and arrogance of a street tough hoodlum Wow. He has
Speaker 3: been known to sit out bookings to play softball for
Speaker 3: his hometown team. He thinks nothing of walking out on
Speaker 3: a promotion without regard to contracts. Forget contracts, what about
Speaker 3: doing what's right? What about professionalism? He has repeated these
Speaker 3: stones time and again, believing he always will always be
Speaker 3: hired back, and he usually is, despite the fact that
Speaker 3: beyond his quote monster look, he is only a mediocre worker.
Speaker 3: Sid has repeatedly been rewarded with headlining positions by the
Speaker 3: promoters he screws. That has been his experience. Arn, on
Speaker 3: the other hand, is of average stature and has made
Speaker 3: his mark in the wrestling world not on appearance, but
Speaker 3: by perfecting his ring work. His consistently solid performances, along
Speaker 3: with the reputation as a team player, make up for
Speaker 3: the monster look he does not and never can possess.
Speaker 3: His interview skills are second to none. He has agreed
Speaker 3: to take pay cuts instead of losing his position, yet
Speaker 3: never short changes the promoters, or his co workers or
Speaker 3: the fans. When a prima donna like Sid contentiously accuses
Speaker 3: a dedicated loyalist like Arn of maintaining his position because
Speaker 3: of patronage, there's bound to be a fight. It was
Speaker 3: not surprising that the WCW and ww wrestlers who knew
Speaker 3: both men were overwhelmingly in Arn's corner. The immediate reaction
Speaker 3: of the boys on tour was one of sadness. There
Speaker 3: was an outpouring of concern for Arne's health, as well
Speaker 3: as uneasiness over how the fight in the press coverage
Speaker 3: that followed might affect his position with the company. As
Speaker 3: was often the case, some of the guys found humor
Speaker 3: in what it may had happened. Maybe it was their
Speaker 3: way of coping. Perhaps it's a callousness, a callousness, lousness,
Speaker 3: no callousness. Sorry, it's a repeated wordigan as a callousness
Speaker 3: developed from being exposed to so much lunacy day in
Speaker 3: and day out. It only took hours from Mark Merrow
Speaker 3: and Mark Bagwell to commemorate the incident with a Muhammad
Speaker 3: al Li style poem, as delivered by Marrow and his
Speaker 3: best little Richard impersonation. When I'm in the shower, I'm
Speaker 3: afraid to wash my hair. I might open my eyes
Speaker 3: and Psychocid will be standing there in his fucking shower shoes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some people think I'm crazy, maybe a little touched, But
Speaker 3: showers remind me of Sid Vicious too much. When I
Speaker 3: opened the door, he hit me with a chair. I said,
Speaker 3: Sid Vicious, you know that isn't fair. So I got
Speaker 3: a pair of scissors and stabbed him in the gut.
Speaker 3: You should have seen Sid Vicious bleed from the cut.
Speaker 3: He staggered and stumbled, and down the hall he fell.
Speaker 3: How can you rule the world when you can't even
Speaker 3: rule the hotel? The buzz around the locker room lasted
Speaker 3: for months. The buzz from ringside observers continues to this day.
Speaker 8: So all that said, what a sid side of the
Speaker 8: stabbing incident's story? What does the psycho one have to say?
Speaker 3: Boss?
Speaker 8: I didn't do anything. I had nothing to do with
Speaker 8: anything happened to do with Hart Anderson.
Speaker 3: You be the judge.
Speaker 8: You hear words from the man himself in a series
Speaker 8: of shoot interviews, and you tell us if that's basically
Speaker 8: what it amounts to what he says? So is it
Speaker 8: pertains the question? What sid side of the stabbing story?
Speaker 8: Let's take a few dabs at it?
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 6: Let's do it exactly what happened? We were in a
Speaker 6: board and I just wait you some food.
Speaker 7: We're all on the table drinking, and somebody brought the
Speaker 7: question and I think asked on a question, what's wrong
Speaker 7: in our business while we're drawing?
Speaker 6: Like the other company?
Speaker 7: Is that the one thing about me is man, I mean,
Speaker 7: if you can't be honest, you can be honest with
Speaker 7: me because you can't hurt my feelings because I'll just say, man,
Speaker 7: it's not true.
Speaker 6: I am better.
Speaker 3: What do you think there can't hurt his feelings?
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, yeah, And that's a great that's a great
Speaker 8: question to ask, you know, like why is our business down?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 8: Sure, because I'm sure the answer will be, well, it
Speaker 8: won't cause any fights at all, of course.
Speaker 7: But what I thought I was wrong with the business.
Speaker 7: And that's what I said. It's what I'm saying. I said, well,
Speaker 7: it's our business. We get a fucking old man named
Speaker 7: Ric Flair. Need to get the fuck out of way.
Speaker 7: Listen to guys. The thing about the business is that
Speaker 7: why you have to, you know, revolve talent because people
Speaker 7: do get burned out.
Speaker 6: And I think that's proven.
Speaker 7: I mean I think that was proven there the fact
Speaker 7: that they're released for him to go to w W
Speaker 7: F you they never thought that would have ever happened,
Speaker 7: but it did and now you know.
Speaker 6: But anyway, so we get to start the argument.
Speaker 3: I had a question, real quick, boss, can you help
Speaker 3: me with this?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 8: What would w CW have done if they agreed with
Speaker 8: Sid and stuck with his dumb ass and then Stargate
Speaker 8: happened and they had no main event? Having Rick Flair
Speaker 8: around then seemed to make a lot of sense, didn't it.
Speaker 8: Let's go with Sid's version so that we don't hire
Speaker 8: Ric Flair, the only guy who can save our ass
Speaker 8: on this show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think you don't. And I think what
Speaker 3: happens is despite despite getting you know, stab and stabbing
Speaker 3: and doing all sorts and having a completely unnecessary and
Speaker 3: completely inappropriate fight, Sid main events Starcade ninety three by
Speaker 3: himself is what happens, and he faces himself for the title,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 7: We got the little, you know, verbal argument, and I
Speaker 7: think he's shung beers in my face in the bar,
Speaker 7: and then as I was going into my room.
Speaker 8: I think, do you think is he is? I swear
Speaker 8: to god, it sounds like he's like chewing dip no tobacco.
Speaker 8: This is nineteen ninety seven R video shoot, and I've
Speaker 8: seen the video of it. It doesn't seem that way
Speaker 8: when you watch it, but.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, it definitely sounds like he is
Speaker 3: he's dipping. It's either that or he sounds like someone
Speaker 3: who would dip. Do you know what I mean? Someone
Speaker 3: who sounds like in and out every now and again.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he does dip. The story of his life
Speaker 8: the dip man. I love that phraseology. I think Arn
Speaker 8: threw a beer at me. Yeah, like he's he's trying.
Speaker 8: I think to say somethings along the way that make
Speaker 8: an Arn's fault, even.
Speaker 3: If, of course or fault, no question.
Speaker 8: I mean, would you forget in a situation like this,
Speaker 8: if someone never would be never to start.
Speaker 3: I don't care how fucking drunk you are, exactly, you
Speaker 3: don't forget this kind of ship.
Speaker 7: Bunch of guys were in the hallway and he broke
Speaker 7: a beer bottle and threatened to cut me. Then in
Speaker 7: my room was only just a few rooms down for him.
Speaker 7: Like I came past his room, took the left, four
Speaker 7: doors was my room, you know, Like we got in
Speaker 7: there there what food was?
Speaker 8: So sid has introduced this fact that we did not
Speaker 8: hear from two cold Scorpio, that we did not hear
Speaker 8: from a Gary Michael capetto which, in all fairness, you know,
Speaker 8: they don't claim to be eyewitnesses from the very from
Speaker 8: the very inception of the confrontation on the hotel floor.
Speaker 8: But Sid just added that Arn threatened him with a
Speaker 8: broken off beer bottle, which I've never heard. I heard
Speaker 8: Arn was in his room and Sid goes to the door.
Speaker 8: But okay, we'll grant that for the psychoed one.
Speaker 3: What's that to say, no, no, he's he's absolutely right,
Speaker 3: there's I mean, I also heard that that there were
Speaker 3: a couple uh uh hotel employees who were you know,
Speaker 3: holding him hostage with bows and arrows as well at
Speaker 3: arrow point, yes, exactly.
Speaker 6: Going to the bar, but actually came to my room,
Speaker 6: I said, being part of the sandwiches.
Speaker 8: So talking about the sandwiches and where the food went,
Speaker 8: that's a fucking relevant detail. Sandwiches are crucial to the
Speaker 8: store in the room, they're not at the bar.
Speaker 6: I said, Man, it's not sucking, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: I've got a bad temper.
Speaker 7: Two said, he just fucking stripped me from bear in
Speaker 7: my face and then just fucking treated me with a
Speaker 7: beer bottle broken I said, all fucking line. So there's
Speaker 7: a chair, it's like that, but you're not the leg
Speaker 7: off I was whacking star.
Speaker 8: We had a couple of times who instead of just
Speaker 8: swinging the chair, breaks the leg off of it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know you you you want to You want
Speaker 3: to break the leg GoF of it for sure? Why
Speaker 3: because then you have the sharp wood so you can
Speaker 3: stab him right exactly. But obviously you want to take
Speaker 3: the time and the energy when you're in the midst
Speaker 3: of preparing for battle in order to.
Speaker 8: And then somehow argue that this wasn't premeditated, even though
Speaker 8: you went to the trouble of manufacturing an items that
Speaker 8: can stab.
Speaker 3: I will say this regarding said, there is nothing within
Speaker 3: him that says he studies any sort of meditation whatsoever.
Speaker 7: So when I got back down, there was no one
Speaker 7: in the hallway because do worship. So I knocked on
Speaker 7: the door. I said, come on.
Speaker 6: Out here, motherfucker, you bring your here about it?
Speaker 7: Whatever some words are exchange I could want of hearing
Speaker 7: I heard even falling around still around of thought. I said,
Speaker 7: he's fucked up as bad as I am, you know,
Speaker 7: and down get to realize what I was doing, I said,
Speaker 7: This is fucking stupid.
Speaker 8: You can uh incoming alibi ready to tell when he
Speaker 8: takes that kind of a pregnant pause.
Speaker 7: Look at the records that the police had. The stick
Speaker 7: that he says I hit him with, was he never
Speaker 7: touched him? Was twenty feet the opposite way of where
Speaker 7: the fight happened.
Speaker 8: Now, okay, what he says that the stick that Arn
Speaker 8: would claim later that he attacked him with from the chair,
Speaker 8: that he never touched on with the stick, And in fact,
Speaker 8: for some reason, he doesn't want to say why the
Speaker 8: stick was twenty feet from where the fight actually unfolded.
Speaker 3: Well, because I mean, couldn't someone have thrown it? Yes,
Speaker 3: it's a not a potential you know, reality there.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I'm no professional estimator, but twenty
Speaker 8: feet it's not that.
Speaker 3: Far from the city.
Speaker 8: Not, I mean, that's an easy throw for sure, you know.
Speaker 8: And he wants us to look at the police records. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 8: let me go over to what is it, the Blackwell,
Speaker 8: England Police Department and pull those real quick.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm actually disappointed that you didn't do it.
Speaker 3: Don't fucking don't don't come with that.
Speaker 6: One drop of blood, one dinner.
Speaker 7: It would have been hit or nothing. And I went
Speaker 7: to the rest of it, so arnt come out? I left, turned,
Speaker 7: turned my back in the door open. I turned around.
Speaker 7: Aren't sitting near a pair of scissors? And I went
Speaker 7: just like this as a man. Hey, this is called
Speaker 7: to fucking far. And then I remember coming after me,
Speaker 7: all right, So he coming after me. I don't really
Speaker 7: remember getting stabbed in the in the beginning. And he
Speaker 7: were in some two doors in the corridor, and he
Speaker 7: backed me up there and I had nowhere to fucking run.
Speaker 7: And when he came into me, he got close to me.
Speaker 7: When he did, I think any one time, and he
Speaker 7: fell down like at my feet. When he did, I
Speaker 7: looked at him, and then now the corner of my eye,
Speaker 7: I saw the scissors fall. They were falling out of
Speaker 7: my stomach, and I got the scar right there. So
Speaker 7: when I saw the scissors fall, and now I realized
Speaker 7: I've been stabbed, But I didn't feel it in my
Speaker 7: face in my hands. Then he launched back for him
Speaker 7: a second time, and the face are gon first.
Speaker 8: Okay, so why would you feel it in his face
Speaker 8: in his hands? He got stabbed on his face in
Speaker 8: his hands as well as oh he did got Yeah,
Speaker 8: he had scrapes and cruising for sure.
Speaker 3: He says, I stabbed in my cup. I didn't feel
Speaker 3: it my face in my hands, like, yeah, because you
Speaker 3: didn't get stabbed there, but I guess he did. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Later he would find that he had those wounds, but
Speaker 8: you know they're not They weren't as obvious to him.
Speaker 8: So his thing is he just clubbed Arn. Basically, he
Speaker 8: fell and the scissors fell, and then the franks before
Speaker 8: he clubbed him, he Sid got Arn got some shots in,
Speaker 8: some stabs in really that he didn't realize, and the
Speaker 8: scissors fall out of Sid's stomach, and then Arn goes
Speaker 8: to grab him again and Sid gets the scissors away. Now,
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously it's who knows what we would do
Speaker 8: in a situation like that. But if I came into
Speaker 8: the confrontation thinking this has gone too far, you have
Speaker 8: scissors in your hand, and then he goes ahead and
Speaker 8: proves that, and then I get control of the scissors,
Speaker 8: and he's so drunk that I didn't even think it
Speaker 8: was worth fighting him in the first place.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: I'd like to tell myself that my first thought wouldn't
Speaker 8: be can I stab this guy forty five.
Speaker 3: Times in return?
Speaker 8: It doesn't it It seems like, you know, the fact pattern,
Speaker 8: even though I'm hurt, is kind of in my favor
Speaker 8: at this point. And if I do that, then all
Speaker 8: of a sudden, I'm the problem. But we'll see, yeah,
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then I don't. Happened so fast, there's like
Speaker 6: a nightmare, you know, And I remember.
Speaker 7: I think somebody said him or somebody Walton Hollis made
Speaker 7: her killing me, killing me or something, and I had
Speaker 7: the scissors in my hand.
Speaker 8: Ah, so he went completely blank and was actually stabbing
Speaker 8: you catch that?
Speaker 15: Ah?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 3: The uh the momentary lapse of sanity.
Speaker 8: That's right, Yeah, which can be a criminal defense. You know,
Speaker 8: if you argue that in the time that you actually
Speaker 8: began the fatal attack, you you were basically and incapable
Speaker 8: of rendering a decision as to what it was you
Speaker 8: were doing, that that can be you know, it's called
Speaker 8: the insanity defense.
Speaker 3: Sometimes.
Speaker 8: Yes it's fake, right, but it's it's less about insanity
Speaker 8: and about whether in that moment you were in a
Speaker 8: state of mind to form the intent to hurt somebody.
Speaker 8: Doesn't mean you you're going to get acquitted for sure,
Speaker 8: but it might make the difference between murder one, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean, murder two or manslaughter.
Speaker 7: Right. I looked down and I saw him, A fuck,
Speaker 7: he's fucked up. So I threw the fucking scissors as
Speaker 7: far as I could. I've been to him to actually
Speaker 7: trying to pick him up and hauling.
Speaker 8: Throw the scissors as far as you threw the chair leg. Yeah,
Speaker 8: what I would love it if he said I threw
Speaker 8: I threw. I threw the scissors forty feet away from me,
Speaker 8: and then he's questioning twenty feet for the fucking chair leg.
Speaker 8: So what I did, Sean, And you know this because
Speaker 8: we talked about my football careers. I got my hands
Speaker 8: on the scissors and then I fell back in the
Speaker 8: pocket A I scrambled from about the twenty to the fifteen,
Speaker 8: and A launched downfield where the intended receiver was the
Speaker 8: recipient of a pass interference call.
Speaker 7: Fucking So I danced to call An when I did
Speaker 7: blood concussion on my stomach. Now I realized I've been stabbed,
Speaker 7: So I'm scared to fucking that all white on.
Speaker 8: Wait a minute, now, he's saying he's now realizing he'd
Speaker 8: been stabbed right, Yes, yes, didn't he say before that
Speaker 8: he saw that the scissors fall out of the side
Speaker 8: of his body before he started stabbing Ron, Well, you're
Speaker 8: forgetting that the scissors can run. Well, I'm not questioning
Speaker 8: the position of the scissors. I'm questioning him saying.
Speaker 3: As scissors move all over the place, they they are
Speaker 3: like it's like a toy story.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is a horrible situation, but I do
Speaker 8: feel that these are important details. I mean, listen, he
Speaker 8: just claimed to realize he'd been stabbed in two different
Speaker 8: moments apart from each other.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about Sid. Okay, honestly, he shouldn't have
Speaker 3: been called Sid vicious. He should have been Sid victim
Speaker 3: because that's what he is.
Speaker 2: He's a la fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and for
Speaker 1: An Seo and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 7: On the fucking Hallway and then the rest of the rest.
Speaker 7: These are some other things that people don't know. We
Speaker 7: were supposed to be flowing different flights back, putting different hotels.
Speaker 6: When I was in the hotel.
Speaker 7: When I was in the hospital, the police or whatever
Speaker 7: you call it, law enforcement over there, they came in
Speaker 7: my room, trying to get in a press charges against him,
Speaker 7: and said, no, man, I looking press charges against him.
Speaker 7: I said, you know, we're both you know, made mistake
Speaker 7: of you know, I don't know how bad he's really hurt.
Speaker 7: You know, I really didn't. That's why you feel it
Speaker 7: was not they don't have one scratch on him, you're
Speaker 7: not exports towards surgery already have that stabs him. I said,
Speaker 7: he's not going to scratch on him. And I thought maybe,
Speaker 7: Like I said, that happened so fast. I really don't
Speaker 7: Rember happy this motherfucker. So I was going to press
Speaker 7: charges on him, and then, uh, then that night the
Speaker 7: nurse came over to my room, he said, and you
Speaker 7: finished really messed up.
Speaker 8: Okay, So the police, who want, for some reason said
Speaker 8: to press charges against Arn, tell him that Arn doesn't
Speaker 8: have a scratch on him, and then a nurse comes
Speaker 8: by later and says, your your your friend isn't doing
Speaker 8: too good. Why he would get two different versions of
Speaker 8: Arn Anderson's condition, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've never understood.
Speaker 8: I don't even understand why it's self serving to kind
Speaker 8: of frame it that way. Sometimes I think of it
Speaker 8: that way. Yeah, I mean is the guy okay or not?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: And there a new place where why are Yeah? So
Speaker 7: I dropped the charges. All right, Now we get to
Speaker 7: go home. I found him in the hotel by myself.
Speaker 7: I go to they on Leaves's boots at the hospital.
Speaker 7: So I took him with me to get him down
Speaker 7: the road somewhere.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I found out that he was at the same hotel
Speaker 7: as that, So I just left him at the front
Speaker 7: desk and assumed you did these darn Andersons.
Speaker 8: And then took out a nine millimeter and started shooting
Speaker 8: out the chandeliers.
Speaker 3: Just all of a sudden, like took out a pair
Speaker 3: of boozies and just started fucking just overturning like catering trays.
Speaker 3: And just think of Sid. Okay, think of Sid holding
Speaker 3: a pair of automatic weapons and just going bonkers with it.
Speaker 3: It's it's cinematic. I will say that. I can see
Speaker 3: it right now. Yeah, like his face, you know, just
Speaker 3: like with like a like a military green vest on
Speaker 3: but no shirt underneath. Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely, listen, he's yeah,
Speaker 3: he looks like he does on the cover of the
Speaker 3: the ninety one War Games. Uh vhs. I knew that
Speaker 3: picture was crystal cleared in my mind for some reason.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So I went to a machine drink kildrink
Speaker 6: poke or something.
Speaker 3: What what's the specify that he didn't go get booze?
Speaker 3: I guess. But then he says, my godkers, you're gonna
Speaker 3: be in this with that? You said, no, seriously, right?
Speaker 3: Did you get you have a snack too? Did you
Speaker 3: get a can? Did you go down to seven eleven
Speaker 3: and get a can of ease?
Speaker 6: There? I'm sorry. With all the people in the world,
Speaker 6: Arm was the last person I wanted. I wouldn't want
Speaker 6: to do that to.
Speaker 7: Anybody because I had to, but I did not want
Speaker 7: He would have been the last person in the world
Speaker 7: about because he had only been good to me as
Speaker 7: a person. I don't know what anybody said every behind
Speaker 7: my back, face to face. He was always a gentleman,
Speaker 7: and I can only assume he was like that at
Speaker 7: all the time.
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 7: So I said, well, where does ARM say? And Joey
Speaker 7: said that Arm said he was so fucked up they
Speaker 7: can't remember anything, And so that's you know, the true story,
Speaker 7: all right? If Joey magg says, that's not that he's
Speaker 7: a fucking line, and I'll remember those words.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure where Joey Maggs's version of the story
Speaker 8: is printed, but I know we kind of need that.
Speaker 8: He's going out of his way to talk about Joey
Speaker 8: Maggs and I don't know why.
Speaker 3: But oh, he's got the truth.
Speaker 7: Exactly. I mean, we're both pretty messed up, you know,
Speaker 7: to the point that they got like that. Everybody was
Speaker 7: I'm not a drinker. I don't drink much. They didn't
Speaker 7: take a lot of alcohol to get me.
Speaker 6: Into a state of or whatever. We can remember it,
Speaker 6: but that's pretty much how it happened.
Speaker 3: Thoughts. I see no holes in his stories whatsoever. He
Speaker 3: could excellent. I'm glad we agree on that. It's about
Speaker 3: as iron clad as you can fucking get.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think one thing we can we can conclude.
Speaker 3: About he's more iron clad than iron Mike Sharp.
Speaker 8: And that's saying something. I think one thing we can
Speaker 8: say for sure about the man after that that version
Speaker 8: is if there's something, if there's a situation where you
Speaker 8: know there's tension in the air and you just have
Speaker 8: to make that one remark that will set the other
Speaker 8: guy off. Sid is the guy that will always make.
Speaker 3: That remark oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know what,
Speaker 3: I don't think he even consciously knows it can't help.
Speaker 3: But exactly, I think it's just like a thing like
Speaker 3: he just this is how he needs to respond, and
Speaker 3: you know what, this is the truth. Yep, exactly, this
Speaker 3: is the true.
Speaker 8: It's really funny you say that, because later on in
Speaker 8: his career he would talk a lot about how he
Speaker 8: would want WWF to talk to his lawyer to negotiate,
Speaker 8: because he's like, you know what's gonna happen if you
Speaker 8: deal directly with me. I'm eventually gonna get pissed off.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say something that's gonna piss you off, and
Speaker 8: the whole thing's going to blow up, and I'm gonna
Speaker 8: be the bad run. So he knows that about himself.
Speaker 8: He knows he can't help it, and that's probably why
Speaker 8: there was blood all over this hotel Halloween English.
Speaker 3: He knows that he just can't help but tell the truth.
Speaker 8: So let's do some comparison. He would revisit the story
Speaker 8: that was the nineteen ninety seven R video shoot interview,
Speaker 8: the first shoot interview SID ever did, which I would
Speaker 8: highly recommend to get a flavor of the man when
Speaker 8: he was, you know, truly in his money earning prime.
Speaker 8: In a lot of ways in wrestling, it's very rare
Speaker 8: that you get a star of his caliber doing a
Speaker 8: shoot interview without you know, the business mostly being in
Speaker 8: the rearview mirror. So you get some real raw kind
Speaker 8: of perspective on the WWF run that he had just
Speaker 8: wrapped up, which is which is great because you know,
Speaker 8: it's it's how he really feels instead of like three
Speaker 8: years later they give him a nice front colony softens everything,
Speaker 8: you know. So that's that's worth checking out. And so
Speaker 8: was Devin Nicholson stuff that he's done. Because Sid would
Speaker 8: go up to Great Great White North Wrestling, which is
Speaker 8: Hannibal Devin Nicholson's indie promotion up in Canada, and as
Speaker 8: part of making some shots in the ring and making appearances,
Speaker 8: he would also do these shoot interviews. And so here
Speaker 8: is Sid what probably twenty years later, maybe fifteen years later,
Speaker 8: speaking to Hannibal overcounting more truth.
Speaker 3: More truth is what you're telling me. We'll see.
Speaker 8: Let's keep our ears especially peeled, and not only you, boss,
Speaker 8: but everybody listening in the Solar system for any points
Speaker 8: of contradiction. I'll try to catch them if I hear them,
Speaker 8: But let's crowdsource this everybody out there too. Feel free
Speaker 8: to hit us up the lapsed fan at gmail dot
Speaker 8: com if there's anything you noticed that doesn't quite job
Speaker 8: what happened.
Speaker 7: We got into an argument while we're all waiting on
Speaker 7: fearing the lot in the bar, we thought it was
Speaker 7: coming there was actually going to our rooms.
Speaker 8: I mean, why does he Why is that an important detail?
Speaker 8: I'm killing myself trying to figure out what he thinks
Speaker 8: that does to soften the blow for him.
Speaker 3: Any guesses like who care? I mean, I guess that's
Speaker 3: the reason why they would be upstairs altogether. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe he's trying not like why I guess maybe even
Speaker 3: like why they'd be out and about, yeah, or why
Speaker 3: he'd be out.
Speaker 8: Of his room potentially not in his ass falling asleep. Yeah,
Speaker 8: exactly right, Yeah, you're right, you know, I know you're
Speaker 8: you're helping me realize something. What it probably is is
Speaker 8: he's probably trying to minimize how drunk he was, because
Speaker 8: he's giving a reason that they're at the bar, if
Speaker 8: not to drink, Right, here's a reason to be at
Speaker 8: the bar. Instead of just getting obnoxiously intoxicated. We're at
Speaker 8: the bar because we think that's where our food's going
Speaker 8: to be.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 8: So if those sons of bitches had told us where
Speaker 8: the food was going to be, Arnwood run stabbed. That's
Speaker 8: that's my Jesus Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7: They got brought up, what's frown the business? And everybody said,
Speaker 7: I've said it out loud, said Flair just needs it,
Speaker 7: you know, not worry about his job. He's got his job.
Speaker 7: We all got guaranteed money.
Speaker 8: That's way softer than what he said the first time
Speaker 8: about old man needs to get the fuck out of
Speaker 8: the way versus don't worry about your job man, And
Speaker 8: it's all good. We're all winning here.
Speaker 3: No that's not what you said. No, we're all we're
Speaker 3: on the same side here. There's no way with that
Speaker 3: proviso that arn flies off the handle like that.
Speaker 7: Just step back and let somebody else know go forward.
Speaker 7: You're not you're not getting a pay cut. So I
Speaker 7: any got upset and hit me in the head with
Speaker 7: a beer bottle, and so of course, you know, everybody
Speaker 7: started breaking with the fight, and then we had security there.
Speaker 6: So as I'm going to my room.
Speaker 7: You know, the security from Charlotte's name is Doug something
Speaker 7: that came out of tell Enginer, Doug Dillingdry. So they
Speaker 7: were all out there and arn. Now he cracks the
Speaker 7: bare bald. He tries to stand you with it. I went, no, motherfucker,
Speaker 7: this ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So I go to my room.
Speaker 7: There's a chair in there, and I tear off an
Speaker 7: arm off of so I'm gonna go back and walking
Speaker 7: in the head with it. Now I get down. There's
Speaker 7: nobody in the hallway. Now, so I knock on the door.
Speaker 7: I hear arms stumbling around. I actually think I hear
Speaker 7: him fall. I say, he's two drugs. So I take
Speaker 7: the arm and I toss it the opposite way I'm going.
Speaker 3: So now he he says, he tosses it.
Speaker 8: Whereas the first instance, if I'm not mistake, and then
Speaker 8: maybe a closer examination, I might be wrong. But he
Speaker 8: doesn't never say he throws it. He just points out
Speaker 8: that it was twenty feet away, right to excuse the
Speaker 8: possibility that he, you know, initiated the first kind of
Speaker 8: really serious contact that would perhaps go towards justifying a
Speaker 8: counter attack with scissors hmmm. This time he threw it
Speaker 8: down the thing, so you got that on.
Speaker 3: He never hit you with it. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 3: We'll find out.
Speaker 7: As soon as I turn to hear the door open
Speaker 7: and I turned around, he starts going after me. He
Speaker 7: comes on to me, he gets her closed. I don't
Speaker 7: really realize him that's where he stick stabs me in
Speaker 7: the stomach, but he does. I just one time he
Speaker 7: drops when he drops his feet of my feet, and
Speaker 7: now on my preferal vision, I see the scissors follow
Speaker 7: at our feet and he's not No, I didn't knock
Speaker 7: him out, just enough to knock him off of me.
Speaker 6: To the ground.
Speaker 8: It's now the he sees the scissors at his feet,
Speaker 8: whereas I'm pretty sure in the first one he framed
Speaker 8: it as it fell out of my side and I
Speaker 8: realized that he was stabbed. Now he doesn't have that.
Speaker 8: Two different times he realized he was stabbed. Problem and
Speaker 8: he had the scissors first, right, he had this is first.
Speaker 7: Now he lounges for the scissors the second time, and
Speaker 7: this time I give him first, and then I'm stabbing
Speaker 7: back because at that point you're thinking it's a.
Speaker 6: Life, for it is a life for death. I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know what I mean.
Speaker 7: I gotta stabbed three times here in my face and
Speaker 7: once here. But I'll be honest with you, I never
Speaker 7: realized I was stabbed. I never knew it until when
Speaker 7: co Scorpio said, I guess it was him. He says, hey, man,
Speaker 7: you're killing dude. And I had got horned by the
Speaker 7: back of the neck and I'm stabbed and he may
Speaker 7: ever work.
Speaker 8: Okay, think about that. He's got armed by the back
Speaker 8: of the neck, having dropped him, and he is just
Speaker 8: stabbing him.
Speaker 3: Can you picture this.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's horrifying, just going and going and going blackout.
Speaker 8: He sees red and he's not gonna stop boss until
Speaker 8: arn isn't moving anymore. Great guy, you know, definitely definitely
Speaker 8: nor family man, I mean normal and uh you know,
Speaker 8: just certainly somebody who knows how to hold their temper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we used to, you say sarcastically. No,
Speaker 3: I'm dead serious, all right, you know, he's yeah, he's
Speaker 3: a he's a what do you want? I know where
Speaker 3: to run?
Speaker 8: And when he came into this from the first one,
Speaker 8: he got close to me failed down at my feet,
Speaker 8: and when I did, I looked at him, and then
Speaker 8: out of the corner of my eye, I saw the
Speaker 8: scissors fall. They were falling out of my stomach. Yep,
Speaker 8: okay he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The first time he said he saw the things fall
Speaker 8: out of his stomach, and the second the scissors, and
Speaker 8: the second time he saw them on the.
Speaker 6: Floor and hitting him with also not just stabbing him
Speaker 6: but hitting him as well. And then it hits me.
Speaker 8: I'm standing over, I'm going I think it was a
Speaker 8: scorpio that said he in this position sid is not
Speaker 8: only stabbing, but he's kicking aren't in the head when
Speaker 8: he's on the ground.
Speaker 3: Can you pick?
Speaker 8: Oh my god, those short shin kicks, those Kwada style kickers.
Speaker 3: Stuff. Fucking ah. I need your help on the sound
Speaker 3: of X for this. Oh it's probably something just like.
Speaker 8: To let it out, boss. This is your moment you've
Speaker 8: been you've been looking for this release.
Speaker 19: Come on, God, I gets cut into the throat.
Speaker 3: I never heard that he's he's stabbed him like twenty times.
Speaker 8: I mean, that was that was so much worse than
Speaker 8: I expected it to be with the sound he came
Speaker 8: up with, and.
Speaker 6: What's going on here? So I takes decision. I'm going
Speaker 6: other ways.
Speaker 7: I could from both of us, so I said, he's
Speaker 7: hard man, so I reached over to grab him. When
Speaker 7: I did, blood comes out.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 6: Hits the wall. Now I realize I'm stabbed as well.
Speaker 6: So that's when I go to the lobby, and that's
Speaker 6: where Bader is.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll mention Evader in the first story.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and was there ever any legal ramifications of that?
Speaker 7: This The thing is, they came to me and said,
Speaker 7: you know, we want you to press charges. I said, no,
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna press charges. And then they came back
Speaker 7: to the next day try to get their press charges.
Speaker 7: I said, you know what I mean, I'm messed up,
Speaker 7: and I know he's messed up, so I'm not gonna work.
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna press charges. And then they said to
Speaker 7: me he didn't have a scratch onning. I'm so hold on, man,
Speaker 7: they can't be true, but maybe possible.
Speaker 8: So that can't be true, but maybe possible said.
Speaker 3: That's that should be the name of his book.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I'm gonna press charges if they go back
Speaker 7: and get the paperwork to come back. Well, that night,
Speaker 7: the nurse comes in my room and I said something.
Speaker 7: I said, well, How's how's the She said, how are
Speaker 7: you doing? I said, okay, your friend's not doing Okay,
Speaker 7: don't really there's these comps.
Speaker 6: Just told me that he didn't.
Speaker 8: What what makes this nurse think that that guy is
Speaker 8: Sid's friend? He just almost killed him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: What I what?
Speaker 3: Your friend's not doing? What happened to Harvey's what happened? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Where's where's Harvin's? Where's Nick? Busick?
Speaker 6: And a scratch on him? So I walked down the
Speaker 6: hall and looked in his room. He was messed up.
Speaker 7: So when they came to the next morning, I said,
Speaker 7: I'm not signing that. Okay, see how life is. So
Speaker 7: when I get back home, Lawrence excues me. You know.
Speaker 7: So I had to put a twenty thousand dollars retainer
Speaker 7: with a lawyer in Charlotte, which she never got a
Speaker 7: nick of.
Speaker 6: And I just had to pay a lawyer to get
Speaker 6: him no, because he thought it says how I've got money?
Speaker 6: He doesn't. He's gonna get money you get And that's
Speaker 6: how that wow implication the war.
Speaker 8: That's a Sid shot right there if I've ever heard one.
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: In the first instance, he doesn't talk about he says
Speaker 8: no scratch on him, obviously, but he doesn't really talk
Speaker 8: about going to look at Arn to confirm visually, you
Speaker 8: know that visually that he's messed up. You know, he
Speaker 8: just says, I just dropped the charges in the first interview, right,
Speaker 8: and the nurse tells you tells him you know your
Speaker 8: friend's really messed up. So I don't know why you
Speaker 8: leave that detail out of actually observing the damage before
Speaker 8: you leave. But as far as this strange whole thing
Speaker 8: about why even mentioned the charges and everything, I feel
Speaker 8: like there's something about wrestler brain where it's like it's
Speaker 8: not even like an alibi for exoneration. It's there's always
Speaker 8: like this thing of like I could have press charges
Speaker 8: against you, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I was the bigger man.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: Somehow Sid has found a way because aren't actually suited him,
Speaker 8: As we'll get to that, he was actually the bigger
Speaker 8: man here because he didn't press charges. I don't you
Speaker 8: know what, Arn, Why don't you thank Sid? That's the
Speaker 8: real question. Why doesn't somebody ask Carn and or some
Speaker 8: one of that that it's I.
Speaker 3: Honestly don't understand why why Arn isnngrateful that that Sid
Speaker 3: attacked him, so he should be gracious and grateful.
Speaker 8: I mean he should be grateful that it wasn't worse
Speaker 8: than it was from a legal perspective.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too.
Speaker 8: Imagine if Arn had to get detained in England and
Speaker 8: there had to be you know, transatlantic negotiation to get
Speaker 8: to get his body back over here. I mean that's
Speaker 8: the thing. People didn't think Sid enough, and I think
Speaker 8: that's a big part of the reason that he was
Speaker 8: so aggressive in Hyper's because no one ever said thank
Speaker 8: you to the man.
Speaker 3: Look what he didn't do.
Speaker 8: So I'm going to give you the excerpt now because
Speaker 8: he mentioned him from Vader's book. Vader has told the
Speaker 8: story in interviews as well. But he does a nice
Speaker 8: discinct job, or at least I won't say sync, it's.
Speaker 3: A complete job. And when anything about.
Speaker 8: Or the Kenny Casanova books, who we we love his stuff.
Speaker 8: I mean it's a gift from God that he got
Speaker 8: all these wrestlers in such a detail chronologically on their
Speaker 8: career before they passed. So shout outs to uh the
Speaker 8: Look the Vader book, it's called walking on hot waffles.
Speaker 8: That's just that's what it's called. And standing here right now.
Speaker 8: I don't remember why, but I think I can take
Speaker 8: a pretty good guess. Vader walking walking with hot waffles
Speaker 8: in your belly?
Speaker 3: What it should be.
Speaker 8: Called walking while on hot waffles?
Speaker 3: Walking after consuming?
Speaker 8: Yeah about the title, leon, you know, we hear the
Speaker 8: publisher thought.
Speaker 3: Waffles my kind of party. Got it right now? Can
Speaker 3: you imagine a waffle house when Vader shows up? Jesus, oh,
Speaker 3: you know exactly. It's like, you know, the sign they're
Speaker 3: they're like, listen, awful house does not close. We know,
Speaker 3: it's one of those establishments that just is always open.
Speaker 3: But they see they see, you.
Speaker 8: Know, it's known as the Vader clause out there in
Speaker 8: the rocky mountains.
Speaker 3: They see the the fucking vehicle, you know, shake its
Speaker 3: way up to the door, all right, and it's like
Speaker 3: and it stops, like it's actually, you know, it just
Speaker 3: kind of purrs for a little while in in you know,
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh shit.
Speaker 8: When you watch the grin Shoes told Christmas this year,
Speaker 8: I want you to think of it as that's how
Speaker 8: Vade comes down down his mountain, yes, exactly, in his
Speaker 8: fucking snow cat, all right, and he comes and then
Speaker 8: and then the motor turns off, and now all the
Speaker 8: employees panic because they thought for sure they had a
Speaker 8: night off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 8: The scene is like everyone looking out the kind kind
Speaker 8: of Florida ceiling window, looking out the huge ass windows
Speaker 8: onto the parking lot in a state of like stun silence,
Speaker 8: and then.
Speaker 3: Or even better, even better, you know, but beforehand, this
Speaker 3: is what happens. So the SnowCat drives up to the
Speaker 3: parking lot, does not enter the parking lot yet, and
Speaker 3: it just kind of waits outside the parking lot. Yes,
Speaker 3: and everyone, every all the employees of walf House, they
Speaker 3: fucking they stare and they're like, oh no, and you
Speaker 3: just try the tight shot on all their faces, and
Speaker 3: you hear the low rumble and they're just watching it.
Speaker 3: Is it gonna go straight? Or is it gonna take
Speaker 3: the turn into the parking lot. And then you hear,
Speaker 3: just like you said from he makes the turn into
Speaker 3: the parking lot.
Speaker 8: He makes the turn in the parking lot, and they're
Speaker 8: still holding out hope that maybe he's not coming in.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh
Speaker 3: my god, oh my god. And then yeah, then it
Speaker 3: just stops. It gets a parking spot, right out front,
Speaker 3: so you don't show that.
Speaker 8: All you show is the looks on the faces of
Speaker 8: like six waffle house members looking out the window.
Speaker 3: And like close ups of the headlights, yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: close up to the of the headlights, like those are
Speaker 3: the eyes of Vader. It's touch right, and then and
Speaker 3: then and then you get like a shot. So imagine
Speaker 3: the shot. Okay, you get your wide screen you know,
Speaker 3: your wide screen frame. On the left side of the frame,
Speaker 3: you have a massive close up of the uh one
Speaker 3: of the driver's side headlight. Okay, it like almost fills
Speaker 3: the entire screen. The other side you have basically the
Speaker 3: rest of the empty parking lot snow, and it's it's
Speaker 3: you know, and it's and it's it's out of focus,
Speaker 3: all right. And then the motor stops and the light
Speaker 3: goes out, oh right, and then the door opens and
Speaker 3: you cut right back inside, all right, and everybody panics
Speaker 3: fucking trying to close up.
Speaker 20: Lock the fucking door, Lock the fucking door.
Speaker 3: Before he gets here, and you get the manager. He
Speaker 3: like he does one of those like like a you know,
Speaker 3: a nineteen seventies cop show, sliding over the over the
Speaker 3: the the the counter all right, with the keys, and
Speaker 3: he's racing, racing, racing, and he's about to fucking insert
Speaker 3: the key into the lock, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the door just slams open and the manager flies ten
Speaker 3: feet in the air.
Speaker 8: It's like the first time we see zeus and no
Speaker 8: holds bar exactly.
Speaker 3: What the fucking waffles?
Speaker 8: Why are you already mad that you don't have them?
Speaker 8: You just walked in the restaurant. At least give us
Speaker 8: a chance to, like, you know, prepare your order.
Speaker 20: He's shut your damn mouth all about fucking waffles.
Speaker 8: Now he picks up like the you know, they have
Speaker 8: the syrup containers on every He picks them up and
Speaker 8: starts chucking them like fastballs over the counter.
Speaker 3: He's throwing them, throwing them with his right hand and
Speaker 3: with his left hand he's drinking it.
Speaker 8: Disgusting, absolutely repulsive, the amount of.
Speaker 3: And then he grabbed like like two of them, and
Speaker 3: you know, he clashed them together and they shatter.
Speaker 8: The amount of butter and syrup that he put on
Speaker 8: his waffles. I mean, can we take a.
Speaker 3: Moment, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Can think of it.
Speaker 3: It's just it's really it's it's syrup soup and and
Speaker 3: it's like it's like a bowl of soup, but it's
Speaker 3: it's it's maple syrup and butter and the waffles are
Speaker 3: the crackers. That's what it's like.
Speaker 8: Hey, what episode did they talk about like the cinematic
Speaker 8: qualities of Vader going to the waffle house? Oh, that's
Speaker 8: Sid Tribute Part three. And he goes he goes in
Speaker 8: the back of the fucking uh uh. You know, he
Speaker 8: like storms his way through. He's like flipping tables over.
Speaker 8: He's three, He's like just tossing employees left and right.
Speaker 8: Is he ever gonna realize that this never gets him
Speaker 8: food faster?
Speaker 7: To do this?
Speaker 3: You like injuring all the people who can help me,
Speaker 3: who can help make this a smooth process. But he's
Speaker 3: so fucking and he gets to the back and there's like,
Speaker 3: you know, there's like one there's like one like sixty
Speaker 3: year old retired chef. All right. You know, he just
Speaker 3: works at waffle house because he loves to cook and
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity to get out of the house. He's
Speaker 3: just this old man who just like, you know, he
Speaker 3: just likes being around the kids and and helping out.
Speaker 3: But here he is now, now he is the focus.
Speaker 3: He is the focus of Vader's attention. Mambe some fucking eggs,
Speaker 3: come on, old man.
Speaker 20: Maybe the fucking eggs, old man, Stop beating a bitch.
Speaker 3: Feed my mouse exactly. That's the one thing if you
Speaker 3: want to avoid this happening, stop being a bitch. Right.
Speaker 3: Why doesn't that ever recur to these people? They get
Speaker 3: victimized time and time again, and they never decide maybe
Speaker 3: I should turn my bitch meter down a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw your face on the grid. Old man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat you.
Speaker 8: Starts pouring syrup on him while he's preparing the food,
Speaker 8: like countdowns on brother, and he's pouring it on his
Speaker 8: head and while he cooks.
Speaker 3: Well, I get to tell me they're eating waffles or
Speaker 3: I'm eating your face. All right, it's a T shirt.
Speaker 3: Write it down.
Speaker 8: I'm either eating waffles or your face. And then you
Speaker 8: know what to do graphically. You know what to do graphically.
Speaker 3: I think I don't know.
Speaker 8: Can you fit that those those words in the waffle
Speaker 8: house yellow square sign?
Speaker 3: Sure can? And did we name? Did we title Vader's
Speaker 3: book Walking on Hot Waffles?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: So don't come at us about this. Oh my god,
Speaker 8: you put it on the table, among other things. So
Speaker 8: if he's going to stuff the hole in his face,
Speaker 8: he's also going to stuff the hole in Sid's side.
Speaker 8: Now we turn it over to the boscoon or a
Speaker 8: reading from Vader's book about this fateful night in Sid's
Speaker 8: life and career.
Speaker 3: Now, before I place judgment on either Sid or arm
Speaker 3: on what has gone down in history as one of
Speaker 3: the scariest behind the scenes wrestling fights. Ever, you have
Speaker 3: to put all this together in terms of quote, where
Speaker 3: and tear. I have to I would puddle with that Leon.
Speaker 3: I kind of I don't don't have to do, I say,
Speaker 3: I kind of don't want to. For that matter, I
Speaker 3: kind of don't have to think of that as a
Speaker 3: mitigating factor. And stabbing someone nearly, I mean, if you
Speaker 3: mean like the fact that Sid was wearing scissors and
Speaker 3: it tore through his flesh. Sure there's wear and tear
Speaker 3: right before any sort of altercation between them happened on
Speaker 3: that one horrible European tour Listen, there have been more
Speaker 3: than one horrible European.
Speaker 8: Tourist bell, Yeah, especially with him on them. Yeah, the
Speaker 8: road was getting the best of all of us, The roads.
Speaker 8: Blame it on the road.
Speaker 3: You sure it wasn't a third bus full of booze.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, yeah, it wasn't alcoholism that kind of
Speaker 8: prompted all drugs and alcohol that was getting the right
Speaker 8: of you. No, it's the road, because the road doesn't
Speaker 8: allow you to detox at it. If I was asked
Speaker 8: to go on the stand and testify today, I would
Speaker 8: have to put the blame entirely.
Speaker 3: On the company's fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnassio.
Speaker 8: WCW get indicted for this stabbing.
Speaker 3: That's what Vader would have done, all right. WCW beat
Speaker 3: the living hell out of us so bad it felt
Speaker 3: like they were trying to kill us. We had already
Speaker 3: been on the road for ten days straight with no breaks,
Speaker 3: so we were exhausted. To top it off, we finished
Speaker 3: a daytime shot in Florida, and oh, I see, and
Speaker 3: then had a hurry off to our next gig in England.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, Florida is not in Europe, pal But
Speaker 3: I see where he went with.
Speaker 8: That, and he finished off a whole lot of other
Speaker 8: shots on the plane.
Speaker 3: Because of your damn right. We showered quickly, got dressed,
Speaker 3: darted up off to the airport, turned up, turned in
Speaker 3: our rental, and got ready to board. Everyone was dressed
Speaker 3: up nice, you know, with nice clothing and leather coats on,
Speaker 3: because that's what WCW expected of us for international flights
Speaker 3: in case we were spotted by any fans along the way.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't wouldn't you want to be in your gear if
Speaker 3: you want to be spot on my fans.
Speaker 8: That's not exactly the most comfortable traveling I.
Speaker 3: Mean, but why suits and nice clothing and shit? Yeah?
Speaker 8: God forbid the fans see these guys as like, you know,
Speaker 8: human beings, human beings or like you know, low rent,
Speaker 8: low lifes, because that would be the truth.
Speaker 3: Like you know, like why don't you have like cut
Speaker 3: off sweats and shit like wou I imagine you guys
Speaker 3: wear around the house. This was no big deal, but
Speaker 3: it means we were also not in our most comfortable
Speaker 3: attire for travel. Yeah, but it's not like a moo mood.
Speaker 3: It's not comfortable for Vader. Yeah right, Well, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, I kind of get what he's saying, because
Speaker 8: you know, like when I go to a wedding, like
Speaker 8: you know, I accept that I'm going to be uncomfortable.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm out of respect. I'm gonna be a
Speaker 8: little stuffy, a little you know, tired. It's not going
Speaker 8: to be sure what I would wear. And yeah, when
Speaker 8: I when I wear uncomfortable clothes, do I want to
Speaker 8: stab someone nearly to death?
Speaker 3: Do I go to do it? No, that's the question.
Speaker 3: Do you actually do it? Or is it just the thought?
Speaker 8: I think I understand why he says WCW is at
Speaker 8: fault here because they were making them wear a dress
Speaker 8: clothes on a road trip. And so you know, how
Speaker 8: are you going to how are you gonna a surprized
Speaker 8: when someone gets stabbed?
Speaker 3: I don't now let me ask you this though, were
Speaker 3: there any like I don't know WCW like suits that
Speaker 3: were enforcing this rule like someone is basically is someone
Speaker 3: taking photos of them every day and like faxing it
Speaker 3: back to Atlanta saying here just to make sure we
Speaker 3: know they got they had their their formal attire on
Speaker 3: during all travel.
Speaker 8: I would love to know what the leverages they have
Speaker 8: to enforce that like.
Speaker 3: And if I don't guess because to me, right because
Speaker 3: to me, once you cross the ocean, fuck you, I'm
Speaker 3: not wearing anything.
Speaker 8: That checks in the mail, and there's no way the
Speaker 8: contracts say if you don't wear slacks, well we can cut.
Speaker 3: Your right during travel. Right, if you don't wear slacks,
Speaker 3: a tucked in button down shirt and a and a
Speaker 3: and a you know, Armani blazer, then you will be
Speaker 3: docked one quarter your pay.
Speaker 8: And you know what's really funny about all this. I
Speaker 8: don't doubt what Vader saying that WCW did have this
Speaker 8: weird dress code and stuff. But I'll bet you, I
Speaker 8: bet I bet substantial money that on this tour they
Speaker 8: relaxed that rule and he's just folding in that grievance.
Speaker 8: To to England. If you saw them on that bus,
Speaker 8: he was. He was in a hoodie and sweat ryans.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, like passed out with the fucking you know,
Speaker 3: with old school headphones around is you know, totally so
Speaker 3: nobody but it means'll come before boarding. They set us
Speaker 3: up and they set up in this lounge with a
Speaker 3: bunch of cocktails. We all got to drinking and getting
Speaker 3: a primer on for the flight. I don't know they
Speaker 3: were painting. That's nice, Yeah, I know, I know. That's
Speaker 3: really the problem with wrestlers. Is what when you take
Speaker 3: these big road trips that require long layovers and long
Speaker 3: delays there they can't help themselves. They're like teenagers. They're
Speaker 3: going to get ship faced. Well they're because they're they're
Speaker 3: they're children, and they're uh, you know, listen, I think,
Speaker 3: especially in this era, they're just there are a lot
Speaker 3: of addicts. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 8: And the only reasons didn't always happen is because the
Speaker 8: road trips were never quite long enough to get that
Speaker 8: bomb before you had to, you know, move on to
Speaker 8: the next leg of the journey, right right, We all.
Speaker 3: Got to drinking and getting a primer for the flight,
Speaker 3: adding alcohol to the mix. Guys were swapping pain pills
Speaker 3: and getting pretty messed up. We weren't even on the
Speaker 3: plane yet. And I remember one guy got up and
Speaker 3: put his headband on, then fell face first right into
Speaker 3: right back into his seat. Okay, this is how So
Speaker 3: he put a headband on and then fell face first
Speaker 3: right back into the seat. Okay, this is how bad
Speaker 3: things were getting. Once boarding time hit, we divvied up,
Speaker 3: this divvied out the seats. It was me two Cold Scorpio,
Speaker 3: the Nasty boys flared, Davy Boy steamboats, some agents, just
Speaker 3: a bunch of us. We the correct number of tickets
Speaker 3: in our envelope, but as usual w CW only had
Speaker 3: a couple of first class seats in the mix, so
Speaker 3: we couldn't all ride first class. This added to the
Speaker 3: bad formula for the trip for us big guys who
Speaker 3: had to sit in the tiny seats in the back.
Speaker 3: Fortunately for me, because of how I negotiated my contract
Speaker 3: and because I had one of the biggest butts on
Speaker 3: the tour, I was not sitting in coach, thank god.
Speaker 3: WW pretty much dominated the flight to London. That's a
Speaker 3: fucking choice phrase dominated the flight. That means, I mean,
Speaker 3: I imagine that if you were if you were looking
Speaker 3: forward to a nice, quiet flight to London, you were
Speaker 3: in Like, if you're think of this, you're Steve Martin
Speaker 3: in playing trains and ONNLOD bills. Just want to read
Speaker 3: this article that your friend wrote exactly, all right, and
Speaker 3: you've got about eighteen John candies. Wow, all right, that's
Speaker 3: what this was, That just right exactly?
Speaker 8: Can you imagine and I know he just said he
Speaker 8: didn't sit and coach, so but can you imagine sitting
Speaker 8: on a commercial airliner and coach and there's an empty
Speaker 8: seat next to you, and you see Vader coming for
Speaker 8: the seat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or can you imagine that? Like, you know, you're like,
Speaker 3: please don't please not not here, No, no, no. Think
Speaker 3: of how big he is. Oh god, I mean he'd
Speaker 3: probably have to get a whole row for himself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely awful. We all we Oh yeah, actually a bunch
Speaker 3: of assholes, for sure. We fly all the way over there,
Speaker 3: got off the plane and got right into a bus
Speaker 3: to travel four more hours on one of the bumpiest
Speaker 3: roads the United Kingdom had to offer. Nobody got any
Speaker 3: sleep because of the time change. The sun had already
Speaker 3: come up and it was only afternoon there. Wait, the
Speaker 3: sun had already come up and it was only afternoon there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what does the sun coming up have to do with anything?
Speaker 8: I think he's trying to say it's hard to fall
Speaker 8: asleep when the sun's up.
Speaker 3: Okay, but you could just say it's afternoon, like the
Speaker 3: days are gone. I could have. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: Like it's just weird. We did another daytime show. Yes,
Speaker 3: we just wrestled one and travel all that way without
Speaker 3: any sleep. Then we rushed out there to catch a
Speaker 3: bus for another eight hour trip to the next town.
Speaker 3: I was physically exhausted. I was bitching to everyone who
Speaker 3: would listen about all but all are running around we
Speaker 3: were doing saying now, wait a minute, a minute, it's
Speaker 3: just crazy. The bus ride was brutal. It was tight
Speaker 3: and uncomfortable and by no means could you sleep on
Speaker 3: such a vehicle? That's yeah.
Speaker 8: Look, if i'm you know, in charge of this crew,
Speaker 8: like give them the beer because I don't want to
Speaker 8: be there when they get sick of not being able
Speaker 8: to sleep at hour four, you know, at least give.
Speaker 3: The thing to do. Absolutely drunks, maybe some of those two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the the The bus ride was brutal. It was tight
Speaker 3: and uncomfortable and by no means could you sleep on
Speaker 3: such a vehicle. The boys made the best of it.
Speaker 3: We had run out of food at some point. Oh
Speaker 3: I know what that is. Oh, and everyone just started
Speaker 3: drinking beer on an empty stomach. Yet another formula for disaster.
Speaker 3: We drove way up in the highlands or some damned
Speaker 3: place in the middle. Wait, did you drive way up
Speaker 3: to the highlands or did you find someplace in the middle.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that that's what happens when wrestlers get all prideful
Speaker 8: about geography and knowing geography, but they actually don't know anything.
Speaker 8: They don't remember any of the details. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 8: the Highlands that that hip flies when you're telling people
Speaker 8: back home. But right do you put it in print,
Speaker 8: you realize you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 3: I'm what was probably the second bumbiest road in all
Speaker 3: of England. I mean to look back at it now,
Speaker 3: all I can say is wow, I couldn't have done
Speaker 3: this today. Somewhere along the ride. I would just have
Speaker 3: had a heart attack and died. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 3: too much to ask of us. And it's no wonder
Speaker 3: sitting an arm were easily at arms.
Speaker 8: I think he means at odds, but maybe I don't
Speaker 8: think so at.
Speaker 3: Arms, like you know, they're not. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't even know where the hell they took me, But
Speaker 3: we ended up in front of a nice hotel we
Speaker 3: finish up, which finished the trip frazzled and worn, then
Speaker 3: finally headed to our hotel. It was getting late and
Speaker 3: everybody wanted to just rush up to their rooms and crash. However,
Speaker 3: we were all starving with nothing but beer in our bellies.
Speaker 3: One of the boys, I don't remember who it was,
Speaker 3: insisted they opened the bar up for us so we
Speaker 3: could get some food.
Speaker 8: He would later say it with Steve Austin that that
Speaker 8: wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah.
Speaker 8: He told Hannibal in the shooting interview time that what
Speaker 8: actually happened was he walked in and saw that somehow,
Speaker 8: even though the bar was supposed to be closed, that
Speaker 8: Steve Austin had gotten dope in the bar and was
Speaker 8: basically sitting there by himself.
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, God, damn, Well, throw a back, a couple
Speaker 21: of cold ones, you don't mind. We've just been on
Speaker 21: the road about fifteen hours, coming from Florida all the
Speaker 21: way up to down here to the Highlands. Just gonna
Speaker 21: throw a few back before we go up stations and
Speaker 21: go to bed.
Speaker 8: To give the man what he wants. Nigeln't give the
Speaker 8: man what he wants.
Speaker 6: Uh, oh shit, We'll just give ones.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: We haven't spent enough time thinking about the staff in
Speaker 8: this hotel, have we?
Speaker 3: I know we have not.
Speaker 8: We have not addressed what they're thinking and saying. Uh, Chris, Chris,
Speaker 8: is it is?
Speaker 9: It?
Speaker 11: Truely?
Speaker 3: Got a bunch of wrestlers coming in tonight and they're all, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, they're all. They're all. I don't even know,
Speaker 3: they're all a bunch of blokes, just you know, just
Speaker 3: they look they look very hungry.
Speaker 8: Now these like Olympic wrestlers. Are these like the television wrestlers?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 22: No, No, it's all the fake stuff like Big Daddy, Yeah,
Speaker 22: and uh the you know the h it's like pat
Speaker 22: roach for that matter, and I from uh, I'll feed
Speaker 22: the saint pitt.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 22: It's pat roach that kind of wrestling.
Speaker 3: Now, ye, big fan, So I'm taking on John Haystacks
Speaker 3: walking back in the day.
Speaker 8: But in fact, there were several roaches on that damn bus.
Speaker 8: I'd just ta't give me a cold beer, son, Why don't.
Speaker 21: You give me a couple of a couple of cold ones.
Speaker 21: I can throw him back around now before I have
Speaker 21: to bed hit that hit.
Speaker 6: Hit?
Speaker 3: What hit that? What hit that single six? What hit
Speaker 3: that single six pot four mattress that you got up here?
Speaker 8: And key detail, critical detail. Unlike all other Austin imitations,
Speaker 8: he's got the stunning Steve haircut.
Speaker 3: That's right, dies. Oh and you know, and you know,
Speaker 3: after after fucking traveling this long you know, like there
Speaker 3: are just there are some of these hairs that are
Speaker 3: just totally totally out of place. Yeah. Yeah, the back
Speaker 3: of it has gone rogue. Yes, yes, yeah, he's got
Speaker 3: like it's like he's got almost like a like a
Speaker 3: like a fan of hair, you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like the part is still there. But when it
Speaker 8: comes to that, the.
Speaker 3: Part's permanent, you know, because of the way it's cut.
Speaker 3: That part is permanent, because he's got the the one
Speaker 3: inch side and then he's got the longer side. The
Speaker 3: weirdest sucking air cut of all time. Uh, it was
Speaker 3: another night, but we didn't give a shit, right, I
Speaker 3: can only imagine the manager was pissed us already. Uh shit,
Speaker 3: Well all right, man, I suppose you can im Do
Speaker 3: we have any of those? Do you have any meat pies?
Speaker 3: I think we've got someone in the freezer, you know that.
Speaker 3: You know, we can just put those in the microwave
Speaker 3: for something and just give them meat pies.
Speaker 8: There were fifty steak and ale pies waiting for the
Speaker 8: rest of There we go, There we.
Speaker 3: Go and h blood sausage pies and whatever else, kidney pies,
Speaker 3: whole fucking thing. Salisbury Maryland steak. Oh yes, we all
Speaker 3: would just you know, just the most wonderful processed crust
Speaker 3: you could possibly imagine. We all sat down on the tables.
Speaker 3: I burned a pretty nice looking bar and ordered some food.
Speaker 3: We were all anxious, and one of the food surface
Speaker 3: fast as they could. The boys were beat. You could
Speaker 3: see it on their faces. Man, this trip really sucks
Speaker 3: so far. Two cult scorpios said, I'll think of that,
Speaker 3: I said. The boys kicked in a full fledged bitch
Speaker 3: session about the about the company that eventually turned into
Speaker 3: how they were getting screwed with money. Being screwed without
Speaker 3: money really is what it is, right, Yeah?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: A bunch of wrestlers think they're getting screwed on a
Speaker 3: pay day. I don't leave it. They started comparing notes
Speaker 3: talking about paydays. About that time, SID said something like,
Speaker 3: you know, one of my one of the problems is
Speaker 3: she got an old man named Rick Flair who needs
Speaker 3: to get the hell out of the way. The room
Speaker 3: got silent. Yeah, is it nothing in there?
Speaker 8: You notice about Sid saying you know you got guaranteed money, Rick?
Speaker 6: I mean yeah?
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 3: He said something that most of us were thinking. It
Speaker 3: wasn't that he what he said was shocking.
Speaker 6: It was who.
Speaker 3: He said it in front of Sid continued, you all
Speaker 3: know what. Rick Flair is the one that has taken
Speaker 3: all our money, and that's why we're bitching right now.
Speaker 3: He really needs to step aside unless some of us
Speaker 3: get some Everybody looked across the table. That is something
Speaker 3: you don't say. In front of Rick Flair's longtime partner
Speaker 3: and Four Horsemen stablemate Arn Anderson, Arn stood up and
Speaker 3: started arguing with Sid. It got so heated that Arn
Speaker 3: through a beer in his face. They went at each other.
Speaker 3: But before anything could really happen, when anything really could happen,
Speaker 3: there was a big pull apart. A hotel manager came
Speaker 3: over and demanded that we all go to ORMs. Get
Speaker 3: your fucking rooms right now. Wade barrats the hotel manager,
Speaker 3: I've got some bad news for you. You got your
Speaker 3: fucking rooms before I sicked my mother on all of you,
Speaker 3: right Some of us hadn't even found our rooms yet,
Speaker 3: and we were waiting for food with our luggage. We
Speaker 3: all just said forget this and headed out there and
Speaker 3: headed out of there. While still looking from my room,
Speaker 3: I saw Scorpio come around the corner.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I really want to grab somebod to eat. Oh it does, man,
Speaker 3: I really want to grab somebody eat. I said, Shit,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna have to. I'm just gonna have some
Speaker 3: hash in my room. Shit, big hash. The thing is
Speaker 3: Scorpio wasn't talking about food. I'm out out of my
Speaker 3: man either. Scorpio admits this in interviews today. He doesn't
Speaker 3: give a shit. That's right. We heard it earlier. I
Speaker 3: was smoking that big fucking hash. He said, that's right,
Speaker 3: big fucking hand. What a detail would lose? That's that big.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, you can smoke hash or you can smoke
Speaker 3: big fucking hash. Amazing, and you're telling which one's more satisfying.
Speaker 3: I laughed. I wandered around a bit looking for my room.
Speaker 3: Later on I found out that Sit and Arn got
Speaker 3: into it again. On the way to their rooms. There
Speaker 3: were only about four or five doors away from each other,
Speaker 3: and as they started to bring their stuff in, they
Speaker 3: saw each other. Sid says. At this point, Arn broke
Speaker 3: a beerd bottle and threatened to cut Sid with that
Speaker 3: right there in the hallway. On my way to my room,
Speaker 3: I wandered back into the bar. I don't get back here.
Speaker 3: A fuck's sake, woll not. It had been pretty much
Speaker 3: filtered out after the beer throwing incident, and where we
Speaker 3: and where we had completely taken it over at one point.
Speaker 3: Now it was just a nice big bar with nobody
Speaker 3: in it. Nobody that is except one person, Yes, Sonning Steve.
Speaker 21: Take hey, Steve Hall me on, don't don't make don't
Speaker 21: don't't even make it my room yet. Don't even make
Speaker 21: it in my room yet. I hey, there, don't blame
Speaker 21: you all was running around.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't blame you all was running around. You're gonna
Speaker 3: you'll pull up have a coal when I'm buying. It's
Speaker 3: in the book.
Speaker 7: You just said it.
Speaker 3: You just said what he really said. It not to
Speaker 3: be one to turn down free beer, I replied.
Speaker 21: Man, maybe I'll drop on my bags off my room
Speaker 21: and I'll take you about it.
Speaker 3: I'll be here, yes, he said, nursing a bottle. He
Speaker 3: was just having a few beers to unwind, you know,
Speaker 3: after the long ride of torture. So I brought my
Speaker 3: bag up to my room and quickly changed into some
Speaker 3: night clothes. Now I was beat after walking around the hotel.
Speaker 3: I don't blame him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, no shit, you know he needed a few beers
Speaker 8: to unwide from the long bus trip that had beer
Speaker 8: on board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly that. He's already drinking beer. You know. I
Speaker 3: think I laid down for a minute and probably passed out.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how long I was asleep, but it
Speaker 3: probably didn't last long. Maybe I figured beer was waiting
Speaker 3: for me with a few drinks and that would help
Speaker 3: me sleep better. Next thing I know, I snapped to
Speaker 3: it and Steve and I are sitting there at the
Speaker 3: bar alone having a beer. I don't even remember leaving
Speaker 3: the room. We're walking back to the bar. I was
Speaker 3: just in a daze from sleep deprivation, but somehow made
Speaker 3: it to the stool with Steve for a nightcap to
Speaker 3: end the mother of all road trips. Sure you didn't
Speaker 3: take a pill? Are you sure you didn't just fall
Speaker 3: sleep with the bar leon Now the way Steve tells
Speaker 3: the story, I wandered down the hall in nothing but
Speaker 3: my underwear, no shirt, no shoes, no shorts, no problem.
Speaker 3: He claims. He looked over at me as I sat
Speaker 3: down and couldn't believe his eyes.
Speaker 21: Steve says, no, there were there four star hotel in
Speaker 21: England and out of nowhere comes a four and twenty
Speaker 21: pound man and nothing but his nothing but his.
Speaker 3: Tied of whities. Yep, he says. He looked me over
Speaker 3: for only a few seconds and hmm, and then he
Speaker 3: shrugged it off. Hey man, what's going on? Unbelievable. Only
Speaker 3: wrestlers say, oh no, I couldn't see. I want a beer.
Speaker 3: The thing is Steve was out of it. Not only
Speaker 3: do you have to endure the same exact trip that
Speaker 3: I had, but he already had a few beers and
Speaker 3: him on top of that, his judgment had to be
Speaker 3: off on the whole underwear thing. I may have been
Speaker 3: a little punch drunk from jet lag, but I was
Speaker 3: not walking around the hotel in the middle of the
Speaker 3: night in some sweet fruit of the loom. Seriously, they
Speaker 3: were white shorts. Oh so we're still topless and no shoes,
Speaker 3: just wearing fucking you know, like white sorts or box
Speaker 3: of briefs. Yeah, don't don't say, don't say I had
Speaker 3: underwear on. Yeah, right, exactly what I was wearing bike shorts,
Speaker 3: for fock's sake, Really tight white bike shorts. That's all
Speaker 3: we need from fucking Voder. They were white shorts, you know,
Speaker 3: like those trunks should go to the gym with right.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't really think that for one second
Speaker 3: that big Van Vader would go parading around a public
Speaker 3: place in a big city nothing but his skivvies, do you?
Speaker 3: Or maybe I was? It's a long flight. Either way,
Speaker 3: Steve and I just sat there talking and started drinking
Speaker 3: more beer, like it's nobody's business. We started by talking
Speaker 3: about the burn deal. We started talking about the burn
Speaker 3: deal WSW gave us on this tour. Then we talked
Speaker 3: a little bit about some matches, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: all hell broke loose. Yes, there was banging, hanging and banging.
Speaker 3: Dude broller right concerning there was a loud crash. There
Speaker 3: was a glass breaking well with Steve Austin, I imagine
Speaker 3: so coming from my background in Compton, I thought there
Speaker 3: was some kind of robbery going on. Neither one of
Speaker 3: us could really see what had happened both, but we
Speaker 3: both jumped off the stools and headed for the noise.
Speaker 3: It wasn't clear exactly where the sound was coming from,
Speaker 3: but one thing was for certain. Somebody was in a
Speaker 3: violent fight and it was still going on. I walked
Speaker 3: further in that direction, and the next thing I know,
Speaker 3: man Sid comes walking right up next to me. Sid.
Speaker 6: What the hell that knows?
Speaker 3: Sid didn't say anything. That memory serves me well. I
Speaker 3: didn't realize that he was hurt until I looked down,
Speaker 3: either just to the left of his belly button or
Speaker 3: just to the right. Sid had a dark, nasty hole
Speaker 3: in him. Wow, the size of a penny, and a
Speaker 3: black trickle started to pull spill out under the floor.
Speaker 3: He wasn't doing the Frankenstein walk and couldn't He was
Speaker 3: doing the Frankenstein walk and couldn't hear me. I shook
Speaker 3: him and looked him in the looked him in the eye, Sid.
Speaker 3: Sid look at me. I was grabbing him. I was
Speaker 3: grabbing both his shoulders. What happened? He stopped moving around
Speaker 3: and tried to focus on me. He swallowed hard and
Speaker 3: found difficulty in talking at first. Then he focused it
Speaker 3: and said and just said Leon. Sid lifted his palms
Speaker 3: and looked down at his stomach. He put his hand
Speaker 3: on it again and immediately turned red. Sid tried to
Speaker 3: pull away from me, but I held him there Sid.
Speaker 3: Since they still I looked at the hole and it
Speaker 3: was getting worse. A nickel sized stream of dark, gooey
Speaker 3: blood squirted out every time his heart pumped, Oh God,
Speaker 3: and dump under the floor. It launched out of his
Speaker 3: body about four inches before it fell down. It wasn't
Speaker 3: trickling down his stomach. It was projectile squirting outwards. Wow.
Speaker 3: Sid's mouth opened, but there were no words. More syrup
Speaker 3: like blood spurted out about two to three inches and
Speaker 3: dropped again to the splatter pile collecting on the floor.
Speaker 3: He was not gonna last long like this. He'll bleed
Speaker 3: to death. Sid, trust me, I said. I grabbed one
Speaker 3: of the chairs off the floor and pulled it up
Speaker 3: to Maybe it's the one that was twenty feet away.
Speaker 8: As they broke off the leg and threw it down
Speaker 8: the hallway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and pulled it up to Sid's paling body. I
Speaker 3: got eye level with the deep laceration and sat down.
Speaker 3: I said, Sid, you gonna trust me? Okay, don't move.
Speaker 3: Are you're gonna die? Sid looked like a like you
Speaker 3: saw ghost. He didn't speak, but watched me measure each
Speaker 3: of my fingertips up to the open spout on his stomach.
Speaker 3: Once I realized that I needed my thickest finger to
Speaker 3: do the job, I stuck out my thumb like little
Speaker 3: like little Jack Horner, you're a fucking idiot, stupid fucking analogy,
Speaker 3: you know, like you couldn't think of it, Like you
Speaker 3: don't even need to.
Speaker 8: Fucking he's saving a man's life. Listen, I'm with you,
Speaker 8: but don't compare yourself to the little Jack like. You
Speaker 8: don't need to do that at this point. Just save
Speaker 8: his fucking life.
Speaker 3: Compare yourself the tim Horner. Maybe, Yeah, there you go,
Speaker 3: and pushed. It was more like the legend of Hans Brinka.
Speaker 3: You know the story of the little Dutch boy who
Speaker 3: saves his country from a flood by sticking his finger
Speaker 3: in a leaking dike. Ex I thought you stuck your
Speaker 3: finger and sid The boy stays there all night in
Speaker 3: spite of the cold, until the adults of the village
Speaker 3: find him and make the necessary repairs. In the end,
Speaker 3: he was a hero and save the village from a
Speaker 3: broken dam I'll see, Vata wants me be the hero
Speaker 3: of the broken damn save broken goddamn. Yeah, damn. He's
Speaker 3: standing there saying, damn, what the hell you doing? Yeah, God, damn,
Speaker 3: vadd what are you doing over there? Said squirting on
Speaker 3: the gammick yeah, yeah, sid digged over there, hell said,
Speaker 3: I never had you for a squirt or sign squ.
Speaker 21: Said, I don't know you're poort hot over here? The
Speaker 21: hell's going on? God, damn Vador, What are you sticking
Speaker 21: this som in there for?
Speaker 8: Can we take a moment to reconsider the hotel staff? Okay,
Speaker 8: the wrestlers come in, Yes, crack of dawn. Convince them
Speaker 8: to force them to open the bar.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 8: One wrestler, the biggest, nastiest, smelliest guy you've ever seen
Speaker 8: in your life, comes out with nothing but brief brief
Speaker 8: song essentially, or boxers on and sit to the bar
Speaker 8: and complete violent.
Speaker 3: Imagine Okay again just just picture him. But you're lean, white,
Speaker 3: stumbling in a daze with nothing but box your brief song.
Speaker 8: No problem in a swanky hotel bar after you know,
Speaker 8: a nine hour road trip. They see that the hall already,
Speaker 8: the inconvenience already, the breach of protocol already, and they
Speaker 8: finally makes peace with it somehow. And then here comes
Speaker 8: another wrestler, and he has shattered two glass doors.
Speaker 3: On the way down.
Speaker 8: According to too gold Scorpio, he is walking like a
Speaker 8: zombie and he is squirting projectile blood out of his
Speaker 8: side a mile away, and the wrestler without a shirt
Speaker 8: on is tackling him to the floor and sticking his
Speaker 8: thumb in the hole. And this is my night at work, Neville.
Speaker 3: See what they couldn't do? Nover? There is some man
Speaker 3: sticking the thumb in a man's body.
Speaker 14: Is he.
Speaker 3: Is he hurt?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 3: I think the gent is hurt. I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't mean to be insensitive at this time, but
Speaker 3: I thought all the ship was fiting.
Speaker 8: Oh that's a hell. We need we need some help.
Speaker 8: My friend here is really in dire straits. He's bleeding
Speaker 8: all over the place. Wait, the tricks of the trades
Speaker 8: we were quite familiar.
Speaker 3: And we do you mean you mean quote unquote really
Speaker 3: he's putting that end quotes are he's bleeding again? More
Speaker 3: ketch up? Maybe? Yeah? The blood package. Keeping your trunks?
Speaker 3: What you do you keep me in your trunks when
Speaker 3: you travel? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. It's it's
Speaker 3: probably a smart move. You never know when you get
Speaker 3: to kind of, you know, convince the fans, you know
Speaker 3: your base worked at this hotel. Okay, it's pretty good,
Speaker 3: it's pretty good. It's pretty pretty convincing. Take a look
Speaker 3: at this. Is that a real chair that you guys bring?
Speaker 3: Something a proper wrong with you off? You know, one
Speaker 3: time I was over at the you know, I flew
Speaker 3: over and took a trip to the States. I saw
Speaker 3: I saw a wrestling match. I saw the whole thing.
Speaker 3: You know, you guys, you know you hit yourselves with
Speaker 3: the chairs, and you know you do the moves and
Speaker 3: you're talk each other over the top ropes and ship
Speaker 3: like that. I get it, you know, I see it.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it, you know, just you know, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't buy it one bit. I can see where
Speaker 3: it's fake.
Speaker 8: Never Yeah, fancy that they even find a way to
Speaker 8: make it smell like iron smell smell.
Speaker 3: The blood, I think, you know that's what. It's crazy,
Speaker 3: that's very you got you guys met you guys melt
Speaker 3: like copper or something like that, and you put it
Speaker 3: inside the blood capsules that you do because like homemade.
Speaker 3: But that's fantastic. You're not going to help my friend,
Speaker 3: are you? What it's like? What understand?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 3: What do you want to help? Someone I know doesn't
Speaker 3: need helping because he's just faking. You got your own
Speaker 3: Jack Horner here. That would be you know, look at that,
Speaker 3: look at you know, it's it's like I can see it.
Speaker 3: I can see he's folded his thumb over. He's not
Speaker 3: taking his thumb in there. I've seen magic tricks. I've
Speaker 3: seen David Copperfield. Listen that I'm more about the illusion,
Speaker 3: all right, listen't he listen. I'll tell you what. Honestly,
Speaker 3: the secret safe with me, right, I won't tell you
Speaker 3: tell this story. I'll tell you hey, you know what.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, these these these blokes over here, they fucking fought,
Speaker 3: you know, big deal. You know, talk about how crazy
Speaker 3: or not it was, and I won't tell anyone that
Speaker 3: you know, it was all. It was all put on,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 8: Fast forward eight hours after the shift, Nigel arrives back
Speaker 8: at the flat. It was an overnight, so it's like
Speaker 8: eight am, and he makes it accustomed to keep you know,
Speaker 8: household harmony, to have you know, maybe a twenty thirty
Speaker 8: minute conversation with his wife in the kitchen after she's
Speaker 8: brought the kids to school about how his day was.
Speaker 8: Before he sleeps, you know, for the you know, for
Speaker 8: the morning, to prepare for the next shift, and she's
Speaker 8: washing she's washing dishes. She says, Neville, how was your day?
Speaker 8: What happened today?
Speaker 3: Bybe I gotta tell you something. I'll tell you something
Speaker 3: that was just totally totally bunkers. Yeah, I'm just you know,
Speaker 3: just you know, usually overnight shift, you know, it's kind
Speaker 3: of peaceful. She's pretty quiet. You know, nobody, he know,
Speaker 3: nobody really crazy walks in. But all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you know, here we are, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: this this bus pulls up right, his buss pull up
Speaker 3: was it's always fucking wrestless.
Speaker 8: And I don't know, I don't exaggerate what I say.
Speaker 8: It looked like an unload and unloading of a clown car.
Speaker 8: At the ceremony, It's like it's like a it's like
Speaker 8: a fucking circus. Here comes hulking masses, all shapes, sizes,
Speaker 8: all colors and creeds, and they're coming straight for us,
Speaker 8: and they demand food and they demand drink.
Speaker 3: Babe, you've never seen men with heads this big. They're gigantic.
Speaker 3: It's fucking crazy. And they come in and they're fucking hungry.
Speaker 3: They're already drunk, but they want more drink. They want
Speaker 3: the bar open, you know, they want the bar open,
Speaker 3: and you know, here we are, like, you know, we
Speaker 3: cleaned up already. There you kind of put it so,
Speaker 3: you know, I talked to you know, I talked to
Speaker 3: Nigel and he said, you know, just just give them
Speaker 3: some fucking you know, give them some of the meat pies.
Speaker 3: I sid, all right, you know, get them throwsy, you know,
Speaker 3: the easiest things to do to throw them some meat pies.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden we throw them in in
Speaker 3: the oven. You know, it takes in the micro away.
Speaker 3: And also we come out there and it's like they're
Speaker 3: fucking throwing beer at each other. I was like, what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this? You know, I'm like, they're putting
Speaker 3: on a show for us. Thought there's nobody. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: nobody in the fucking hotel. So was it part of
Speaker 3: It's like, it's this part of the act.
Speaker 21: Yeah, they're gonna put it on for everybody because you know,
Speaker 21: you know, when they're on TV, they got it.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yeah, I hate you, I hate you.
Speaker 8: But my grandfather used to watch the grandfather just watched
Speaker 8: a bit. Remember Daddy was number A.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got big Daddy and you got the you know,
Speaker 3: I mean you've seen you've seen pat roach bomba yeah,
Speaker 3: you know. And then all of a sudden, you know
Speaker 3: that all right, that they do their thing and they
Speaker 3: go to their rooms and I'm thinking, all right, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna, you know, close up shop, if you will,
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, they put on another show.
Speaker 9: I was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: They put on another show for all of us.
Speaker 7: It was.
Speaker 3: It was absolutely insane. It was so fucking wild.
Speaker 8: They went to the trouble of calling the fuzz and
Speaker 8: having them come to the hotel and actually they arrest
Speaker 8: some of these people. It was the most realistic thing
Speaker 8: you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Jane. Let me tell you. I want to tell you something, right,
Speaker 3: they actually put in They told me this. They melt pennies,
Speaker 3: American pennies. They melt American pennies, and they put in
Speaker 3: their blood caplets so it smells like iron. That's now,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, you know what, that's commitment. I've
Speaker 3: seen a lot of commitment in a lot of different places,
Speaker 3: but that was fucking commitment. I mean, it was chaos
Speaker 3: and it was a lot of stress. But at the
Speaker 3: end of the day, I do have to respect their
Speaker 3: trade craft, you know, I said, you know, I want
Speaker 3: to tell them. I said, yeah, look, I get it.
Speaker 3: I get it. I get it absolutely, you know, I've
Speaker 3: seen it all. I get it. It's fake. Fan, It's fine,
Speaker 3: I don't I said, you know what you seeker safe
Speaker 3: with me? Did you say there was a man without
Speaker 3: a shirt on and all this? Oh, let me tell
Speaker 3: you that was the best part. It was the best part.
Speaker 3: All right. So here we are right see, we're just
Speaker 3: you know, just mine my own business, mine of my
Speaker 3: own business. It's wander around, you know, totting up whenever
Speaker 3: I had to all of a sudden, this man must
Speaker 3: be like, what maybe seven feet tall? All right, seven
Speaker 3: feet tall, must weigh at least six hundred six hundred stone. Well, yeah,
Speaker 3: that would actually be accurate. Must weigh he must weigh
Speaker 3: at least six hundred stone, which is gonna be like
Speaker 3: what like fucking eight thousand pounds? All right, he's bulging,
Speaker 3: he's got this red hair, he's got this he's got
Speaker 3: a double mohawks. He's got he's got this double mohawk,
Speaker 3: all right, one on each the corner of his head.
Speaker 3: He's an ugly motherfucker. Have you ever seen one? Just
Speaker 3: one of the most ugliest men I've ever seen in
Speaker 3: my life. So he comes in and he's he's drunk,
Speaker 3: He's fucking drunk, and he's like, he's just a complete mess,
Speaker 3: and he's headed for the party and he's wearing nothing
Speaker 3: but it's skivvyes.
Speaker 12: What the fuck?
Speaker 3: This was one of the most craziest nights of my life.
Speaker 3: I don't even know that heads off school went fine.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's great.
Speaker 8: I think you've had a quite quite eventful night there.
Speaker 3: Usually I make we'll get a couple of winks in
Speaker 3: when i'm you know, just because it's you know, overnight shift.
Speaker 3: You know, not much happens, and so I usually get
Speaker 3: a couple of winks in before you're during the middle
Speaker 3: of the shift. But this time, I'll tell you with these,
Speaker 3: with these, with these fucking.
Speaker 8: Winkers, sounds stress sounds stressful. Hand, but at least at
Speaker 8: least one thing, at least we can hold on to
Speaker 8: one thing, you know what that is?
Speaker 3: What's that? It's all fake?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I will say, you know, the one. The one
Speaker 8: good thing is we got a couple of shows out
Speaker 8: of it, you know, a couple of free shows. So
Speaker 8: and I don't need to go see that fake shit anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's for a while.
Speaker 8: Sid and Vader and the rest cost WCW two customers
Speaker 8: in the United Kingdom on that night. That was the
Speaker 8: real tragedy. For all the work they put in.
Speaker 3: Eh, there's some funny shit. They yeah, that's right, Sorry, Leona,
Speaker 3: we interrupted you. Yeah, uh o, condamn. The only difference
Speaker 3: in the case was this hole was a little more
Speaker 3: gross and a lot more red. I slowly eased my
Speaker 3: thumb into that hole. God don't google this. Yeah, blood
Speaker 3: oozed out down my wrist and I paid it no mind.
Speaker 3: I pushed my I pushed my digit higher up in
Speaker 3: that gaping slit.
Speaker 8: Jesus, calm down, dude, I'm trying to make yourself calm.
Speaker 3: Writing this sounds he just gotta being. When he put
Speaker 3: his cock in the hole, look, my mind went there.
Speaker 3: I mean said, say, I'm putting my fucking cock in
Speaker 3: your hole. And then, as if that wasn't outrageous enough,
Speaker 3: he takes out his wing man. Look, the big elephant man,
Speaker 3: the big beastie one with the with the skivvies. He
Speaker 3: fucking takes his pants down, all right, and he acts
Speaker 3: like he's putting his cock in a fucking hole in
Speaker 3: the fucking wound, the fake wound. He's sticking his cock
Speaker 3: on this man's flesh. Listen again, I'll tell you what
Speaker 3: right now, the commitment is bonkers, absolutely bonkers, just fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'll tell you what. You know, he's exhausting,
Speaker 3: He's absolutely exhausting. I had to get a fucking sandwich
Speaker 3: in my way home, Eh, just fucking crazy. Got myself
Speaker 3: a cheese sandwich.
Speaker 8: That's the craziest part of this whole thing is I
Speaker 8: got a sandwich on the way home. That's how gotten too.
Speaker 8: I was why all this.
Speaker 3: Because you know I don't like to eat, you know,
Speaker 3: before I go to bed in the morning, so you
Speaker 3: know when I worked to not shift, but I couldn't
Speaker 3: help myself. I was so worked up. I'd to go
Speaker 3: and I got myself a cheese on white bread. That's
Speaker 3: fucking delicious.
Speaker 8: Oh shit, Uh, blood oozed out down my wrist and
Speaker 8: I paid it no mind. I pushed my dish higher
Speaker 8: up into his gaping, hurting me. He said, with his
Speaker 8: knees beginning to buckle under him. You gotta take it, said,
Speaker 8: you gotta take it now.
Speaker 3: On I wriggled it around, and why are you making
Speaker 3: it worse, dude, Yeah, it move it around a little bit,
Speaker 3: like just stick it in and stop moving.
Speaker 9: Hand.
Speaker 3: He's got it. I wriggled it around and and one
Speaker 3: real thick glob hung off of my wrist like a
Speaker 3: roasted I know, I know, I remember this part, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, like a roasted red pepper. I finally got
Speaker 3: in there a little bit more and the hole conformed
Speaker 3: around my knuckle.
Speaker 8: And then I found a fucking uh Publano pepper, and
Speaker 8: then I found a clove of garlic.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, there were there were peppers all
Speaker 3: over the floor.
Speaker 8: Because I was eating with my other hand, because I
Speaker 8: had a back of peppers on my right.
Speaker 3: I always give a back of peppers by my side.
Speaker 8: The damnedest thing I ever saw, you know how, I said,
Speaker 8: Leon at one point got a little hungry order to Casadia.
Speaker 8: I shit you not, son, he's got one hand in
Speaker 8: Sid's fucking, you know, uh bottomless pit hole on the
Speaker 8: side of his body.
Speaker 3: Other hand eating the case.
Speaker 21: Of goddamn, he's gonna, you know, he's he's gonna gonna
Speaker 21: stump up on Sid's hole on one side all the shot.
Speaker 21: He's got a bag full of catching dish, and I said,
Speaker 21: damn song, whatere'd you get the goddamn ketch.
Speaker 8: I'm worried about eating, and I'm looking at this thing.
Speaker 8: I'm sizing it up, and I'm thinking, I can't get
Speaker 8: more absurd than this. This is the tableau of the century.
Speaker 8: And then I look down. I realized, No, there's one
Speaker 8: more absurdity to it. Not only does he have his
Speaker 8: finger in sids hole, not only does he have a
Speaker 8: case of d in his other hand.
Speaker 3: He's hard. Well, that's the damn damn thing about it.
Speaker 21: All of a sudden, looked down and he's gonnas fucking cock,
Speaker 21: hard as a rock, poking through his damn kivvyes.
Speaker 3: I assure you it was the case of DIA. They
Speaker 3: got him hard and not the other thing. Absolutely it was.
Speaker 3: Looking listen, sticking his finger into a wet hole is
Speaker 3: not something that gets Leon White excited. I mean, that's something,
Speaker 3: but you but you get melted cheese on a tortilla.
Speaker 3: And now we're talking business. Oh my god, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'll just come out hard right now. Instead of calling
Speaker 3: for help for Sid, he's calling for help for the
Speaker 3: fact that because both of his hands are occupied, he
Speaker 3: can't hide his raging erection. And it's like someone to.
Speaker 20: Talk me down, someone to talk about cockdown. I got
Speaker 20: my finger in sin, I got my handle and kissing deal.
Speaker 20: I need help putting my cock down.
Speaker 8: Just lifted up, rested against my stomach and then put
Speaker 8: my waistband right under the head. He's seven touch leon.
Speaker 8: I mean, Jesus Christ, this thing is like forty feet
Speaker 8: in circumference.
Speaker 3: Fucking such a nightmare. And I was the first.
Speaker 8: I took that from Tropic Thunder when he's shooting out
Speaker 8: of the roof of the jeep. He loves shooting so
Speaker 8: much that I think it's Ben Steeller looks at his crusches.
Speaker 3: Are you hard? Awesome? There's nothing funnier than an erection
Speaker 3: in a situation like that. Yeah, yeah, when something completely
Speaker 3: irregular right causes a fucking boner.
Speaker 8: So thank god Vader was there. I think is the
Speaker 8: long and short of it.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 3: I wriggled around and got it. I finally got in
Speaker 3: there a little bit more. No, it slowed the bleeding
Speaker 3: enough and we waited. Steve Austin came up to the scene.
Speaker 3: It must have looked like the darnest thing, with me
Speaker 3: staring at my penetrated thumb in Sid's gut and blood
Speaker 3: trickling out all over the place. He turned his.
Speaker 21: He turned his head away from the horror. Gag, goddamn, goddamn. So,
Speaker 21: what the hell's going on here? Oh, I'll go get help.
Speaker 21: I waited there for what seemed like an eternity. Neither
Speaker 21: of us talked.
Speaker 3: I could feel the warm, wet goo rolling off my
Speaker 3: wrist and it was the worst thing. Hand.
Speaker 20: God damn said, you got to go on my Casindea, No,
Speaker 20: it's the cheese. You're right still looking at chee. I
Speaker 20: got melted cheese on my kids, It on my hand.
Speaker 8: Goddamn you said, I got melt the cheese on my
Speaker 8: case of dia. He almost said that in that moment, Steve,
Speaker 8: I got melt the cheese on my case of.
Speaker 20: Melted cheese about Cassa, fuk am I going to.
Speaker 3: Do anything else relevant you want to tell me?
Speaker 14: In this.
Speaker 3: I remember looking down and seeing some of the thick
Speaker 3: like syrup droplets on the floor. Finally we heard some
Speaker 3: commotion of people rushing down the hall. I'm happy to
Speaker 3: say that my thumb kept him alive until the ambulance came.
Speaker 3: W CW should have taken some of the blame here,
Speaker 3: he goes, I get it for driving us batshit crazy
Speaker 3: like they did with the schedule, but of course they didn't.
Speaker 3: The next day I got some more of the story.
Speaker 3: Sitting on Anderson got into a major fight after we
Speaker 3: left the dining hall. I thought it was a bar.
Speaker 3: The fight was initially broken up by some of the
Speaker 3: ww wrestlers, but the fight started up again and around
Speaker 3: the time that Steve and I were having a drink
Speaker 3: at the bar. The second time around, someone ended up
Speaker 3: with a pair of scissors. The result was arn Anderson
Speaker 3: ended up with twenty or so superficial lacerations, while Sid
Speaker 3: took some very deep puncture shots to his body. Both
Speaker 3: men spent the night in the hospital and were deported
Speaker 3: the next day as the UK wanted nothing more to
Speaker 3: do with our fucked up American wrestling bullshit.
Speaker 8: He said it, said it, honey, they said, you know,
Speaker 8: they said that one of them was stabbed twenty times.
Speaker 6: Something.
Speaker 8: They were superficial wounds at best. You're not going to
Speaker 8: kidney as to whether this was a real attack.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you said, tell me something. I'm aware
Speaker 3: that there were some of those American carnival workers that
Speaker 3: were doing some of those fixed matches and up up north.
Speaker 3: Is that what I heard? Yes, yes, well all right,
Speaker 3: I don't believe that we can support such a buffoonery,
Speaker 3: I mean more here in the United Kingdom. I believe
Speaker 3: therefore they must be deported immediately, and they must be
Speaker 3: you know, whatever money they were going to make, which
Speaker 3: obviously was illegally obtained, they must you know, give it
Speaker 3: to us as a fine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a key detail, Vader, missus there. They were
Speaker 8: not deported for the fight. They were deported for consumer fraud.
Speaker 3: And we must tell the Americans we don't allow fraudulents
Speaker 3: in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 8: Next morning, Precinct, the the fuzz whatever they call themselves,
Speaker 8: the net wond Hi, I'm calling. I'm calling from a
Speaker 8: newspaper New York.
Speaker 6: Hey.
Speaker 3: Hey if Britain. Hey, Look, I'm I've worked for I
Speaker 3: worked Look, I worked for a major major American publication. Ah,
Speaker 3: so let me tell you, let me ask you something.
Speaker 3: You guys holding a bunch of fucking fake wrestlers. They
Speaker 3: were deported last night. If that's what you're referring to
Speaker 3: can you tell me exactly? You know, I'm listening. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm doing a story on them. You know, there are
Speaker 3: a bunch of us working on this particular story about
Speaker 3: really we want to expose the me that means the
Speaker 3: media relations line just a moment. This is media relations
Speaker 3: on it like we can't just talk to you know,
Speaker 3: one person. You get the fucking scoop. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. It's fucking England. It's why you
Speaker 3: know what this is why we hello? Media relation? Yesh? Yeah, Hi,
Speaker 3: I am. I am a newsletter for a major news
Speaker 3: publication in the in the United States.
Speaker 8: What is the publication? What what is the name of
Speaker 8: the publication?
Speaker 3: Uh? The City Light? Okay, the city Well, I worked
Speaker 3: for the I worked for the the Binghamton Independent Gazette.
Speaker 8: Oh I thought it was the City Tell Peter follow
Speaker 8: I said, Hi, please go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, So listen. What I want to
Speaker 3: know is, can you give me any information? You know,
Speaker 3: we understand that a couple that a group of Americans
Speaker 3: was was supported. Yes, yes, last night and can you listen.
Speaker 3: I just I was wondering if you wouldn't mind going
Speaker 3: on the.
Speaker 8: Record for to let us know exactly and in terms
Speaker 8: of what the last night we did respond to a
Speaker 8: hotel in Blackmon. I believe it was where we had
Speaker 8: received reports of a of a violent altercation and and
Speaker 8: and the lobby involving two wrestlers from what I believe
Speaker 8: was the the w c W organization and when officers arrived.
Speaker 3: So do you know what the you know what this
Speaker 3: w W thing is? Are you aware of what this is?
Speaker 3: But how do you mean do you know what this is? Not?
Speaker 3: American Company w what they what they do? What they are?
Speaker 12: They do?
Speaker 8: The theatrical wrestling there the we used to call it
Speaker 8: World of Sport.
Speaker 3: Here we call it world of nothing because he doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: It's a fake thing. It's bullshit.
Speaker 8: What he goes after the cop. This guy couldn't be
Speaker 8: any less responsible for this.
Speaker 3: So can you can you can you repeat after me
Speaker 3: that what you what they were doing was fake.
Speaker 8: I'd be glad to do that, sir. Are you gonna
Speaker 8: quote say it?
Speaker 3: Say? Yeah, I'm gonna quote you what they do is fake? Yes,
Speaker 3: it is. I'm glad. I'm glad you want to put
Speaker 3: that in the story.
Speaker 6: I don't want to.
Speaker 3: Think me Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen. If
Speaker 3: you thought it was real, I'd be fucking flying over
Speaker 3: there right now and beating the ship out of you
Speaker 3: with my bare hands. Yes I would. I would because
Speaker 3: you know why, because everybody who fucking buys this ship
Speaker 3: and watches this ship needs to be fucking beaten up
Speaker 3: what you're doing from a consumer fraud point. Listen, all right,
Speaker 3: so you gotta tell me something. You gotta tell me
Speaker 3: why were they deported?
Speaker 8: They were deported for committing incredible huh, almost inconsortably violent
Speaker 8: acts on you case.
Speaker 3: No, no, see, this is what happens. This is what happens.
Speaker 3: Even the fucking idiot British police have been fooled and
Speaker 3: fucking bamboozled by these motherfucker That's what happens, sir. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm telling you exactly that nothing about it was real.
Speaker 3: What you saw, the figments of your imagination, they weren't men,
Speaker 3: they were illusions. That's how fake this ship is. That's
Speaker 3: how deep it goes.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 3: You, good police officer, you have been fucking hoodwinked. You
Speaker 3: have you've had listen, you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 8: He calls this guy for information, and he's barely said
Speaker 8: a word and he's already been accused of not knowing
Speaker 8: what he's talking about. Well, sir, with all due respect,
Speaker 8: if you know what happens, then.
Speaker 3: You shut the fuck up and you understand something here.
Speaker 3: What you need to do is execute them.
Speaker 21: You need to go around and find every one of
Speaker 21: these fucking carnival bitches, and you need to fucking put
Speaker 21: them up on a fucking wall and have them a
Speaker 21: fucking firing squad eliminate them. That's the only way you
Speaker 21: can save the fucking United Kingdom from complete fall.
Speaker 8: Well, they did say, a couple of them. I did
Speaker 8: overhear them saying they were shooting each other.
Speaker 3: I don't quite know exactly. You need to shoot them
Speaker 3: first look, And I know there's a whole fucking industry
Speaker 3: out there over there with these fucking these fucking uh
Speaker 3: you know, theatrical bitches. Something I have it tells very
Speaker 3: healthy crowds here. Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, No, there's the thing. They're not healthy mentally speaking.
Speaker 8: They're unhealthy. They've been brainwashed and they're thinking what they're
Speaker 8: seeing is both real and or entertaining.
Speaker 3: How is it? How is it healthy to be to
Speaker 3: think that you're being entertained when you're actually not being entertained. Huh.
Speaker 3: I don't have a response to that, right, nobody should,
Speaker 3: because nobody should ever be entertained by someone that's not entertaining,
Speaker 3: and these guys are not entertaining. So what would you
Speaker 3: like me to do? Exactly? Gin? Can? I Can I
Speaker 3: do anything else? I said what I want you to do.
Speaker 3: I want you to find all these fucking fake athletes
Speaker 3: and dispose of them permanent.
Speaker 8: I thought you're representing a news organization calling finn.
Speaker 3: I am not presenting a news organization, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: write the story about it, but I need you to
Speaker 3: do your part and take care of the people of
Speaker 3: England and then I'll write about it. How are you
Speaker 3: fucking save lives?
Speaker 8: Look, you have all the basis union to move in
Speaker 8: on these fucks. They came to your country and they
Speaker 8: created chaos. They spilled blood all over one of your
Speaker 8: finest hotels. They showed no regard for local customs, They
Speaker 8: walk around without shirts on.
Speaker 3: What more do you need?
Speaker 8: I mean, they are a disgrace to the public. It
Speaker 8: should be disgrace to you, and I want you to
Speaker 8: know that with my last breath on earth. Finish the sentence,
Speaker 8: and I'm gonna tell you something. If it takes me
Speaker 8: until I breathe my last breath, it is I'm going
Speaker 8: to destroy every single one of these motherfuckers. And then
Speaker 8: I'm going to destroy you because you've been no help whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Fuck you, and fuck the United Kingdom. Click marsh neck,
Speaker 8: get in here, we gotta talk.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 3: Are you done with the baby from New York Post?
Speaker 8: He's He's not a sixteen minutes producer? Is that the
Speaker 8: end of the Vader excerpt?
Speaker 6: Umm?
Speaker 8: No, okay, yeah, we still haven't gotten to the part
Speaker 8: if you can believe it, where sid owes him his life.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, uh well Sid took some very different both
Speaker 3: mens for the night in the hospital and we're deported
Speaker 3: the next day. Says the UK wanted nothing more to
Speaker 3: do with our fuck up be American bullshit. They canceled
Speaker 3: a bunch of the dates from the tour. Some might
Speaker 3: have thought that we as a whole would have been
Speaker 3: reprimanded for all the drinking, but that wasn't the case. Actually,
Speaker 3: this is one of the few times I was singled
Speaker 3: out by the administration and praise hey, good job, Leon,
Speaker 3: Hey I don't try to say good job, Leon. You
Speaker 3: kept your cool and you saved a man's life. Finally,
Speaker 3: I wasn't the bad guy. No matter who was right
Speaker 3: or wrong, Neither Sid nor On have thanked me. Yet
Speaker 3: you would have thought that at some point On would
Speaker 3: have come up to me and said, hey, man, I
Speaker 3: can't do arn his voice. No, I want to thank
Speaker 3: you for sticking to your thumb. And Sid, if I hadn't,
Speaker 3: Arn would have been in a heck of a lot
Speaker 3: more trouble than he was. He could have been up
Speaker 3: for murder charges had Sid died.
Speaker 2: He's a wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
Speaker 1: and JP Sorowe.
Speaker 3: He's walking on waffles.
Speaker 8: All right, Absolutely, that's story. So Sid, what do you say?
Speaker 8: He was once dasked about this by Hannibal, and you
Speaker 8: know this is your chance. You know, Vader says you
Speaker 8: never thanked him for saving your ass, saving your life,
Speaker 8: and saving arm from going to jail and all the rest,
Speaker 8: and this being ten times worse than it was.
Speaker 3: Oh, can I guess that Sid actually put his own
Speaker 3: thumb in his wound? Well something like that, and we.
Speaker 23: Will ask you about to go into that incident more
Speaker 23: in our video interview with you, because we actually interviewed
Speaker 23: Vader not too long ago and he told us about
Speaker 23: a ten minute version of the story.
Speaker 16: So this is the thing is that I'm not going
Speaker 16: to go into it right now. Either nobody knows a
Speaker 16: ten minute version because he didn't fucking take ten minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 16: it took just a couple of minutes. And Vader's little
Speaker 16: fucking fat crowd baby ass was in the in the lobby,
Speaker 16: you know, he wouldn't even where where the scuffle wash.
Speaker 16: And I don't know what the story was, but I've
Speaker 16: heard a few people's of the stories and they're not
Speaker 16: even close the one person I think the stories what
Speaker 16: I've heard from people sayings got a close story to it.
Speaker 16: With the scorpio, I think he was actually looking out
Speaker 16: the door, but you know he wasn't. He was just
Speaker 16: looking at the door if he felt safe or you know,
Speaker 16: thought he should have stepped in and done something. You
Speaker 16: know he did, you know, he was just watching it. Now,
Speaker 16: So that's the only person I know had that close
Speaker 16: to a view of it. And I guarantee if you
Speaker 16: asked him too, it wasn't it didn't take ten minutes down.
Speaker 23: You know, we did lobby about it, and he only
Speaker 23: told us. He didn't go into the details about it.
Speaker 23: He only went into about a two minute version and
Speaker 23: just basically said what you said he saw.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's what it was. It happened so fast, you know.
Speaker 16: And again we'll tip our hand into order to get
Speaker 16: into it right now, but they really did. It was
Speaker 16: knocking the door. The guy came out attacking me. I
Speaker 16: hated one time he went down, the scissors got in
Speaker 16: my hand, and then that's the rest of the story.
Speaker 8: Great, so not so much thanks for saving my life,
Speaker 8: but more you're a fat, cry baby piece.
Speaker 3: Of shit, Vader. I don't see any problem with that.
Speaker 8: Unbelievable and we got more than he bargained for out
Speaker 8: of that clip. Not only did we get said responding
Speaker 8: to Vader's version of events. Now, apparently two Cold Scorpio
Speaker 8: was never even involved in the fracas as he framed
Speaker 8: at the top of this episode. According to CID, he
Speaker 8: was just watching. He didn't get physically involved and trying
Speaker 8: to stop at or break it up, so he wasn't
Speaker 8: hands on in the matter at all. At least we
Speaker 8: can set Scorpio to the side. Wait a minute, he
Speaker 8: should know a bit more than he let on about
Speaker 8: an incident like this. June twenty fifth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 8: ex wrestler Too Cold Scorpio stabbed man needed staples stitches
Speaker 8: TMZ dot com. The man who was viciously stabbed in
Speaker 8: an altercation with ex wrestling star Too Cold Scorpio was
Speaker 8: lucky to be alive with TMZ Sports obtaining horrific images
Speaker 8: of the aftermath of the June fifteenth incident. As we
Speaker 8: previously reported, the former ww Tag Team champion told cops
Speaker 8: he was working a security shift at Love's Travel Shop
Speaker 8: in Kansas City, Missouri, when an argument with a patron
Speaker 8: over a cigarette turned physical. Fifty eight year old two
Speaker 8: Gold Scorpio real named Charles Skaggs told authorities used a
Speaker 8: knife out of self defense, claiming the man threatened him
Speaker 8: and tried to grapple.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: The man suffered deep cuts to his head, chest, buttocks,
Speaker 8: legs and abs in the fight and was rushed to
Speaker 8: a nearby hospital for treatment. Okay, so got a mirror
Speaker 8: image of the of the episode that he claimed to
Speaker 8: be right in the midst of that's wild. So finally
Speaker 8: on our well, at least in multiple perspectives. Here part
Speaker 8: of the story.
Speaker 3: Let's turn to Colonel Rob Parker, Oh boy.
Speaker 8: As mentioned close allegiance with Sid. Sid gets him his
Speaker 8: job in WCW, gives him his gimmick. And this is
Speaker 8: just a few months after the clip we played where
Speaker 8: Parker and Sid debut, if you want to put it
Speaker 8: that way, at Slamboury nineteen ninety three in the spring.
Speaker 8: Now we're in October. But here's the thing. Colonel Parker
Speaker 8: is not in England with the crew because, as Parker
Speaker 8: told Hannibal in a shoot interview, he doesn't have a
Speaker 8: passport expressly, so no one can force him to go
Speaker 8: on international tours. He just is not going to go.
Speaker 8: That's just not his thing. He does not go on tours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably that right.
Speaker 8: And when you hear him tell the story, it kind
Speaker 8: of sounds like a story he would have gotten from
Speaker 8: Steve Austin, who, of course he managed in WDCW as well.
Speaker 8: So his credibility can be questioned here not only because
Speaker 8: he wasn't there, but because he kind of claims that
Speaker 8: Steve Austin was also somehow involved in the fight when
Speaker 8: you hear him recount what he heard, he kind of
Speaker 8: puts Steve in the mix with Arn, Invader, with Arn
Speaker 8: and us Sid, which of course is not true, and
Speaker 8: as well hear later in fact, Vader and Austin were
Speaker 8: at the bar during everything until Sid shows up damaged.
Speaker 8: So it's kind of it's a mark against him when
Speaker 8: he starts going through the narrative and actually puts Austin
Speaker 8: in the mix in this whole thing. But he does
Speaker 8: say something that I think really warrants some examination. One
Speaker 8: thing we perhaps didn't consider that that keeps following Sid
Speaker 8: around his wrestling life as an albatross, and may have actually,
Speaker 8: according to someone who knew him extremely well, and Colonel
Speaker 8: Robert Parker contributed to this horrific episode. It makes a
Speaker 8: lot of sense when he says it, but we haven't
Speaker 8: even thought of it.
Speaker 3: On now.
Speaker 24: Try to laugh it off. And it went on and on,
Speaker 24: and Arn threw a drink at him, and uh and uh.
Speaker 18: Altercation ensued there and here come the agents and everybody,
Speaker 18: and they just close the bar. They said, all of
Speaker 18: the guys that'll go back to the room and get
Speaker 18: out of here. And it's into that and so they
Speaker 18: go back to their rooms. And Arn's going in there,
Speaker 18: and he's trimming up his beard and working on his beard.
Speaker 18: And we get a little pair of scissors. And Sid
Speaker 18: goes back to a room and h tears up a chair,
Speaker 18: takes the leg off the chair and goes down to
Speaker 18: him Art's room, and and uh, and Arnes is trimming.
Speaker 24: He hears a knock at the door. He goes to
Speaker 24: the door, doing a little hole.
Speaker 6: It's Sid.
Speaker 3: And Sid says, a little hole. It's Sid.
Speaker 8: I never even thought of out him looking through a
Speaker 8: key hole. Oh, I mean that's just something else. Yes,
Speaker 8: I have to beg your forgiveness. I think I failed
Speaker 8: to set this bite to continue, so I'm to start
Speaker 8: over again here. Oh sure, And it's going to be
Speaker 8: a bit of a tease for what's to come in
Speaker 8: terms of, you know, diagnosing the cause I reference. This
Speaker 8: is more just as I realize him talking. This is
Speaker 8: more just Colonel Parker giving his side of what he
Speaker 8: heard happened.
Speaker 24: Try to laugh it off. And it went on and
Speaker 24: on and through a drink addim and and.
Speaker 18: Altercation ensued there and here come the agents and everybody,
Speaker 18: and they just closed the bar.
Speaker 24: They said, all of the guys, we'll go back to
Speaker 24: the room and get out of here.
Speaker 6: And it's into that.
Speaker 18: And so they go back to their rooms and Arn's
Speaker 18: going in there and he's trimming up his beard and
Speaker 18: working on his beard, and you get a little pair
Speaker 18: of scissors. And Sid goes back to a room and
Speaker 18: cares up a chair, takes the leg off the chair,
Speaker 18: goes down to the arm's room and and uh and
Speaker 18: Arn Arnes is trimming in. Here's a knock at the door.
Speaker 18: He goes to the door, the in a little hole
Speaker 18: that's sit and Sid says, uh L, let's let's, uh,
Speaker 18: you know, let's go to bed on better terms tonight.
Speaker 18: That uh you know that uh we're on the long
Speaker 18: trip here, all of us together, and you know, open
Speaker 18: up the door, shake.
Speaker 3: Hands the chair, a right, So yeah, right he does, and.
Speaker 18: Sid boot and seem what the thing now? I know
Speaker 18: you probably talk to Sid. I don't know if you
Speaker 18: got the same story or.
Speaker 6: Anybody like it. I don't know.
Speaker 25: This is the story that I got from my buddies,
Speaker 25: my guys that were there, and also my guy that
Speaker 25: I took over there, Steve Austin, in which he and.
Speaker 18: I went up and down the road all over w
Speaker 18: C wfore well over year before he left to go
Speaker 18: to New York.
Speaker 6: The stone call, so I had.
Speaker 18: Heard this stuff, and that then Arn take the bump
Speaker 18: back in the floor, and Sid jumping on the top
Speaker 18: of you and mean to take the leg from the
Speaker 18: chair and peet his brains out, and Iron stuck the
Speaker 18: scissors in him, and then then Sid selling the scissors,
Speaker 18: and the fight starts again, and the scissors go over
Speaker 18: there and they fight over the.
Speaker 24: Scissors, and Sid gets the scissors, and Iron takes off
Speaker 24: for the elevator down the hall. He makes it to
Speaker 24: the elevator, but it's one of them deals, give me done, but.
Speaker 18: It don't come quick enough, and Sid catches him there
Speaker 18: at the elevator and stabs.
Speaker 24: Him twenty eight thirty times, with meaning, I think from
Speaker 24: what I hear, to kill him.
Speaker 6: Very bad.
Speaker 8: From what I hear, meaning to kill him, yes, Worth noting,
Speaker 8: and that Sid rejoinder to Vader, claiming to save his life.
Speaker 8: He also stipulated that he doesn't think that the wound
Speaker 8: was severe enough that there was any chance that he
Speaker 8: was going to bleed out and die. So the way
Speaker 8: Sid's the only Vader is the only one I've heard
Speaker 8: described Sid as stumbling around like a zombie and barely
Speaker 8: being able to talk or move at that point. So
Speaker 8: Sid kind of throws cold water on that and says,
Speaker 8: you know, the wound was he wasn't bleeding from any organs.
Speaker 8: He wouldn't have bled to death. And he knows this
Speaker 8: because they did quick exploratory surgery when they got him
Speaker 8: to the hospital and were able to quickly handle it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but he would have known it then, Yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 8: it's just I don't know, he just does not. Sid
Speaker 8: does not want to give Vader credit for saving his life.
Speaker 8: He just doesn't want to. I don't know why, but
Speaker 8: he doesn't. So I feel like we've heard from everybody,
Speaker 8: and do we have clarity?
Speaker 3: Of course not.
Speaker 8: This is professional wrestling, No listen, Everyone's going to tell
Speaker 8: stories that serve themselves and unless you're like in a
Speaker 8: court of law, you're not gonna, you know, tell the truth.
Speaker 8: I mean, even then, shall we con the record, boss, Yes,
Speaker 8: shall we take a look at the fact that as
Speaker 8: part of our Sid tribute here at TLF, we did
Speaker 8: the legwork and pulled some court documents from Mecklenburg County
Speaker 8: in North Carolina, in which in nineteen ninety four, Martin
Speaker 8: Lundy aka Arn Anderson.
Speaker 3: Sid sued, I'm in North Carolina.
Speaker 8: That's where Arn lived, Oh, I see sued Sid. Sid
Speaker 8: made vague reference to it, talking about the twenty thousand
Speaker 8: dollars retainer to the lawyer that's Arn never got a
Speaker 8: piece of. And it's because this lawsuit is fire filed.
Speaker 8: As far as I can tell that, Sid always takes
Speaker 8: great pains to point out that he could have pressed
Speaker 8: charges against Arn in England and did not, of course,
Speaker 8: and this is the thanks he gets if he stabbed.
Speaker 3: The better man. Let's not forget that. Okay, he is
Speaker 3: the better man.
Speaker 8: I stab the motherfucker, I don't press charges and then
Speaker 8: he sues me. That's the thanks I get for stabbing
Speaker 8: him and not charging him. With me stabbing him bought
Speaker 8: a business.
Speaker 3: So here it is.
Speaker 8: And if we're going to pledge allegiance to one version
Speaker 8: of this story, I think it's probably safe to pledge
Speaker 8: allegiance to the one that Arne and his lawyer were
Speaker 8: willing to set down in official court documents. That's kind
Speaker 8: of what we do here at TLF, as we lay
Speaker 8: out all the contradictory stories from the the menageray of Carnes,
Speaker 8: and then we go a step further. And now we
Speaker 8: go a step further when they have to step just
Speaker 8: a little bit closer into that zone of truth known
Speaker 8: as the American court system, such as it is. So
Speaker 8: in nineteen ninety four, in the summer after this happens
Speaker 8: and Sid is gone from wcw arn Anderson files the
Speaker 8: following lawsuit. Complaint Plaintiff complaining of the defendant alleges and
Speaker 8: says as follows. One, Plaintiff is an individual residing in
Speaker 8: Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. Two upon information and belief, defendant
Speaker 8: is an individual who resides in Mary in Arkansas, that
Speaker 8: being said, and who transacts business throughout the United States,
Speaker 8: including substantial activity within North Carolina. This is to establish
Speaker 8: jurisdiction for this court. This court has jurisdiction in this
Speaker 8: matter pursuant too a law, and venue is also properly
Speaker 8: placed in this court pursuant to a law factual allegations.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 8: Plaintiff and defendant both make their living as professional wrestlers.
Speaker 8: Upon information and belief, during the time period in question,
Speaker 8: both the parties were under contract to World Championship Wrestling
Speaker 8: Incorporated at Georgia Corporation hereinafter WCW. Well arne as we
Speaker 8: were about to hear from SID. According to him, he
Speaker 8: was decidedly not under contract at this point in time,
Speaker 8: and that was in oversight more than it was anything else.
Speaker 8: A hashtag WCW. In October of nineteen ninety three, Arn continues,
Speaker 8: WCW arranged tour of professional wrestling matches for the United
Speaker 8: Kingdom and Germany. Both plaintiff and defendant were to wrestle
Speaker 8: on this tour. On October twenty seventh, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 8: both plaintiff and defendant appeared on wrestling card in Blackburn, England,
Speaker 8: United Kingdom. After the conclusion of the matches, plaintiff and defendant,
Speaker 8: along with numerous other wrestlers and WCW officials, returned to
Speaker 8: the hotel at which all members of the tour were staying.
Speaker 8: During a conversation at the hotel with several individuals, including
Speaker 8: the plaintiff, defendant became verbally abusive towards the plaintiff and
Speaker 8: physically threatened the plaintiff. Okay, so that's it. He was
Speaker 8: threatened by SID during the conversation, not just up at
Speaker 8: the hotel after an argument and after Arn threw a bottle.
Speaker 8: Arne's claiming here, and this is important because Arn is
Speaker 8: never gone on the record recounting this incident. As far
Speaker 8: as I can tell, I see nothing of him giving
Speaker 8: his blow by blow. Besides, yes, that's interesting, I wonder
Speaker 8: is that. I'm sure what we're gonna get to this.
Speaker 8: This lawsuit was settled. It's clear it's settled, and he
Speaker 8: probably you know, agreed not to speak negatively about Sid
Speaker 8: in exchange for whatever payout he got. Now Sid took
Speaker 8: pains to say that Arne didn't see any of that money.
Speaker 8: So maybe it was the kind of settlement where both
Speaker 8: sides agreed to sort of tone to tone it down
Speaker 8: a bit, but not you know, exchange funds.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Settlements in these types of matters are always confidential, so
Speaker 8: you never really know what kind of money changed hands.
Speaker 8: But I always assumed it's because Arn tried to assume
Speaker 8: him didn't quite succeed, or or god a settlement that
Speaker 8: had to keep him kind of hushed on it. During
Speaker 8: a conversation of the hotel, several individuals defendant became verbally
Speaker 8: abusive towards the plaintiff and physically threatened plaintiff. Ww's director
Speaker 8: of security, Doug Dillinger, interceded in the argument between the
Speaker 8: plaintiff and defendant and escorted the plaintiff back to his
Speaker 8: hotel room. I think the fact that Arn name drops
Speaker 8: Doug Dillinger, and here's probably a hint that if push
Speaker 8: came to shove, he'd be willing to present Doug Dillager
Speaker 8: as a witness who would give a ye, no doubt,
Speaker 8: being a mid Atlantic guy, a favorable version of events
Speaker 8: toward Arn Anderson. Okay, So Dillinger, according to Arn Anderson,
Speaker 8: gets in the middle of the argument and es court's
Speaker 8: Arn back to his hotel room. As plaintiff and mister
Speaker 8: Dillinger were talking too Plaintiff's were walking rather to plaintiff's room.
Speaker 8: Defendant continued to verbally insult the plaintiff and make threats
Speaker 8: of physical violence. Nothing in here about breaking off a
Speaker 8: beer bottle or anything like that. According to this version,
Speaker 8: Sid is threatening him in the lobby and threatening him
Speaker 8: on the way to his room. As plaintiff and mister
Speaker 8: dill were walking the plaintiff's room, defendant continued to verbally
Speaker 8: insult the plaintiff and make threats of physical violence. As
Speaker 8: I read, shortly after returning to his room, plaintiff heard
Speaker 8: defendant beating into or kicking on the door to his
Speaker 8: hotel room.
Speaker 3: None of this, none of this.
Speaker 8: He had a beer bottle and so oh yeah, really
Speaker 8: or none of this like to Parker's version, none of this.
Speaker 8: Ah this, this has gone out of control. I'm gonna
Speaker 8: go to the room and talk to him so that
Speaker 8: we can go to bed peaceful. No, he goes right
Speaker 8: to the room and starts banging on it. According to
Speaker 8: this version, when the plaintiff went to the doctor to
Speaker 8: the door rather to confront the defendant, he saw no
Speaker 8: one in the hallway. SID bangs on the door and
Speaker 8: then disappears as the plaintiff stepped out into the hallway,
Speaker 8: that being arn Anderson SID, who had apparently been hiding
Speaker 8: behind the door as it opened. No stepped out and
Speaker 8: violently struck plaintiff in the head with the leg of
Speaker 8: a table or chair. Whoa SID hides behind them door
Speaker 8: and wax him.
Speaker 3: None of this.
Speaker 8: Oh, I heard him stumbling in there, and when he
Speaker 8: opened the door, I could tell he was in no
Speaker 8: condition to fight and I thought, what the fuck am
Speaker 8: I doing?
Speaker 3: This is crazy?
Speaker 8: And then he lunged at me, so I had to
Speaker 8: put him down, and then I wrote, none of that. No,
Speaker 8: he hides, he puts his back to the wall. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 8: this is the funniest thing in the world to me.
Speaker 8: That's picturing Sid doing it.
Speaker 3: Lumbering man, that's.
Speaker 7: What It is.
Speaker 3: Not funny that it happened to arn. I'm not saying that.
Speaker 8: It's just funny that someone that looks like Sid is
Speaker 8: hiding behind a door ready to pop out.
Speaker 3: He's sneak attacking, you know, he's ready to fucking you know,
Speaker 3: just he's He's such a bitch.
Speaker 8: Defendant then continued to viciously, pardon the punt, viciously and
Speaker 8: intentionally assault and batter the defendant with the table leg
Speaker 8: and a pair of scissors. So arn Arne is not
Speaker 8: mentioning that he introduced the scissors to the fight. He's
Speaker 8: simply mentioning that Sid attacked him with them. Defendant all
Speaker 8: also repeatedly punched and kicked plaintiff in the torso and
Speaker 8: head after other individuals arrived, having been alerted by the
Speaker 8: sound of the assault. Defendant then fled the hotel led
Speaker 8: the hotel.
Speaker 3: Nothing, Wow, holy shit, I don't.
Speaker 8: Think he left the premises. He clearly went down to
Speaker 8: wherever Steve Austin and Invader was bleeding.
Speaker 6: But but.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 8: So here is the cause of action from Arn Anderson
Speaker 8: the aforesaid actions by say, sorry.
Speaker 3: So hold on, I'm m hmm. It's hard. It's you know,
Speaker 3: my brain goes defendant being Arn in the fact that
Speaker 3: defending himself. So it's hard to me, so like, but
Speaker 3: you know it Sid attacks Arn. But then but then
Speaker 3: why is why why it never mentions that that Sid
Speaker 3: is stabbed. No, it doesn't. It just mentions him leaving
Speaker 3: the hotel.
Speaker 8: It makes it, Yeah, he makes it sound like Sid
Speaker 8: just cheap shot at him, beat the shit out of him,
Speaker 8: and then took off and stabbed him, and doesn't mention
Speaker 8: that Arn was the one that brought the scissors into
Speaker 8: the equation. So you can picture Sid and as lawyers
Speaker 8: reading this and preparing their defense, and we might just
Speaker 8: I don't know, we might just have a glimpse, it
Speaker 8: said document, you might just need to warm up those
Speaker 8: Sid pipes, poss. Let's just s put it that way
Speaker 8: for the folks. But further, okay, and to your point,
Speaker 8: I'll replace defendant with SID, and I'll replace plaintiff with Arn.
Speaker 8: For clarity, the afforesad actions by the by SID constitute
Speaker 8: an intentional assault and battery upon Arn. As a direct
Speaker 8: and proximate result of the assault and battery by SID,
Speaker 8: Arn has sustained serious physical injuries, including but not limited to,
Speaker 8: lacerations of the face and body, multiple contusions, and acute
Speaker 8: pain and suffering.
Speaker 3: So none of me were any of these were any
Speaker 3: of these injuries? Did any of them come into play
Speaker 3: regarding Arne's retirement.
Speaker 8: Now, Arn's retirement was all about nerve damage to his
Speaker 8: spine that atrophied his arm. Same thing happened to Paul
Speaker 8: Orndorf okay yep as a neck injury as a further
Speaker 8: direct and proximate result of Sid's intentional assault and battery
Speaker 8: upon Arn and the injuries resulting therefrom Arn. He does
Speaker 8: say this, though boss Arne has been unable to pursue
Speaker 8: his career as a professional wrestler. In addition to lost wages,
Speaker 8: Arne's career has been placed in jeopardy as he has
Speaker 8: been removed from WCW's television another broadcast meet and during
Speaker 8: his recovery, so he wants you know, he's basically intimating
Speaker 8: that you owe me the money I would have made.
Speaker 8: Such removal from television will directly and negatively impact on
Speaker 8: Arne's popularity with professional wrestling fans and substantially damage his
Speaker 8: futurability to earn income. Second claim for relief. The allegations
Speaker 8: contained in paragraph one to eighteen are incorporated by reference
Speaker 8: as if set forth here in verbatim, the actions by SID,
Speaker 8: as if foresaid, were intentional, wanton, wilful, and malicious, and
Speaker 8: we're done with the intent to seriously injure or perhaps
Speaker 8: even kill the plaintiff. Given the outrageousness of the acts
Speaker 8: of SID, Arn is entitled to punitive damages. Wherefore Arn,
Speaker 8: respectively prey. This Court has follows one that plaintiff have
Speaker 8: judgment against SID in an amount in excess of ten
Speaker 8: thousand dollars for the actual damages suffered by Arn. That
Speaker 8: ARN have judgment against SID in an amount in excess
Speaker 8: of ten thousand for punitive damages, that all costs of
Speaker 8: this action be born, but the defendant for a jury
Speaker 8: trial on issue so triable, and for such other and
Speaker 8: further relief as the court may deem just and proper.
Speaker 8: This the fifth day of January nineteen ninety four, Attorney
Speaker 8: Robert Trobitch, who you might know is being involved in
Speaker 8: the Rick Flair World title Jim Herd dispute.
Speaker 3: So there you go. Arn has laid his facts on
Speaker 3: the table. Is sculling him for ten grand, for twenty grand,
Speaker 3: for more.
Speaker 8: But you have to say, like, the part of the
Speaker 8: law that allows me to get more than ten grand
Speaker 8: from you as opposed to less is different, a different
Speaker 8: burden of proof. So he's not saying exactly how much
Speaker 8: he wants, but he's saying it's definitely more than ten grand.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
Speaker 1: and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 8: So that is on and that is what he puts
Speaker 8: to paper. Now, does defendant aka SID you do you
Speaker 8: have a response?
Speaker 3: Boss? I believe he does. Do we have a counter
Speaker 3: or claim? Always let's hear from Sid.
Speaker 8: As he dictates in his lawyer's office, what does he
Speaker 8: wants the document to read?
Speaker 3: The defendant moves the court pursuant to Rule twelve B,
Speaker 3: one of the rules of civil procedure to dismiss this
Speaker 3: action for lack of jurisdiction of the subject matter, in
Speaker 3: that the complaint seeks damages for personal injuries not within
Speaker 3: the jurisdiction of this court exactly, and that's the real
Speaker 3: problem here, hm. The defendant moves the Court, pursuant to
Speaker 3: Rule twelve B two of the Rules of Civil Procedure,
Speaker 3: to cush the retard of service of submens to.
Speaker 8: The defendant, and to dismiss this action for lack of
Speaker 8: jurisdiction over the person of this defendant, in that the
Speaker 8: defendant is not a resident of North Carolina.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not doing business in the state of
Speaker 3: North Carolina.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I who saw those house show returns for the
Speaker 8: Charlotte's right.
Speaker 3: Damn right it is, and it's not otherwise subject to
Speaker 3: service of process issued by this court. The defendant moves
Speaker 3: the Court, pursuing to Rule twelve B six of the
Speaker 3: Rules of Civil Procedure, to dismiss this action for.
Speaker 20: Failure of the complaint to state acclaim upon which relief
Speaker 20: can be granted.
Speaker 3: Any allege assault and battery upon the plaintiff. The right
Speaker 3: of action thereon against this defendant was barred by the
Speaker 3: statute of limitations prior to the conmencement of this action.
Speaker 3: What's the sexual limitations. I don't know what he's talking about,
Speaker 3: Like what a day? Is it a month? Like the
Speaker 3: statue limitations for this, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I guess for maybe assault, it probably is pretty short,
Speaker 8: like you know, you got assaulted, You're gonna do something
Speaker 8: about it or not. It's probably I mean, but this
Speaker 8: was a month later. Now it happened to October. This
Speaker 8: was filed in October.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it takes him a while to build
Speaker 3: a case that doesn't seem right. Well, it's not. It's
Speaker 3: a year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not a case, it's a lawsuit. But so
Speaker 8: it's like, it's all, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Know what happened to you? Just put it down on paper.
Speaker 3: Fifth defense and answer one. The allegations containing paragraph one
Speaker 3: of the plaintiff's complaint are admitted upon information and belief two.
Speaker 3: With respect to the allegations containing paragraph two of the
Speaker 3: Plainton's Plaintiff's complaint, it is admitted that's a defendant is
Speaker 3: a resident of Marion, Arkansas. Oh, he's willing to concede that.
Speaker 3: That's big. I will admit that I live where I
Speaker 3: say I live right, read into that one, except I
Speaker 3: admit olive in Marian, Arkansas. Except as expressly admitted here in,
Speaker 3: the allegations contained in paragraph two of the Plaintiff's complaint
Speaker 3: are denied. The allegations containing paragraph three of the plaintiffs
Speaker 3: Plaintiff's plaint are denied. The allegations containing paragraph four of
Speaker 3: the plaintiff's complaint are denied.
Speaker 20: With respect to the allegations contained in paragraph five of
Speaker 20: the Plaintiff's complaint, it.
Speaker 3: Is admitted upon information and belief not the plaintiff is
Speaker 3: a professional wrestler. There's a T shirt.
Speaker 8: The plaintiff is a professional wrestler.
Speaker 3: I telling you the whole thing, the whole you know,
Speaker 3: black a black T shirt, white lettering. With respect of
Speaker 3: the allegations contained of the Plaintiff's complaint, it is admitted
Speaker 3: upon information and belief that the planineiff is a professional
Speaker 3: wrest That's pretty good. It's pretty great. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: upon information and belief. During the time period in question,
Speaker 3: the plaintiff was under contract to World Championship Wrestling, Incorporated,
Speaker 3: a Georgia corporation. Except as expressly admitted here in the
Speaker 3: allegations contained a paragraph five of the plaintiff's complaint are denied.
Speaker 8: So he denies right there that he SID the defendant
Speaker 8: was under WCW contract, as ARN represented, But he does
Speaker 8: say he does grant that ARN was under WCW contract.
Speaker 3: He's fucking crazy.
Speaker 8: The allegations contained in paragraph six of the plaintiff's complaint
Speaker 8: are admitted upon information and belief. The allegations containing paragraph
Speaker 8: seven of the Plaineiff's complaint are admitted upon information and belief.
Speaker 8: The allegations contain paragraph eight of the Plaintiff's complaint are
Speaker 8: admitted upon information.
Speaker 3: And don't stop there, SID, The allegations.
Speaker 20: Contained in paragraph nine of the plaintiff's complaint are denied.
Speaker 8: What about with respect to the allegations contained in paragraph ten.
Speaker 3: With respect to the allegations containing paragraph ten of the
Speaker 3: of the Plaintiff's complaint, it is admitted upon information and
Speaker 3: belief that others attempted to intervene in an argument between
Speaker 3: the plaintiff and defendant, except as expressly admitted herein, The
Speaker 3: allegations containing paragraph ten of the Plaintiff's complaint are denied.
Speaker 3: The allegations contained in paragraph eleven of the Plaintiff's complaint
Speaker 3: are denied. The defendant alleges that he is without knowledge
Speaker 3: or information sufficient to form a belief the truth of
Speaker 3: the allegations containing paragraph twelve of the Plaintiff's complaint, and
Speaker 3: the same are therefore denied. The allegations containing paragraph thirteen
Speaker 3: of the plaintiff's complaint are denied.
Speaker 8: How about fourteen the allegations containing paragraph fourteen of the
Speaker 8: plaintiff's complaint are denied.
Speaker 20: Fifteen said the allegations complained and paragraph fifteen of the
Speaker 20: planet's complaint or did not start there.
Speaker 8: The allegations contained in paragraph sixteen of the plaintiff's complaint
Speaker 8: are denied. Going the allegations contain in paragraph seventeen of
Speaker 8: the plaintiffs's complaint are denied. There the allegations contained in
Speaker 8: paragraph eighteen of the plaintiff's complaint are denied. The defendant's
Speaker 8: responses to the allegations containing paragraphs one through eighteen are
Speaker 8: incorporated by reference as if set forth herein for batim.
Speaker 8: The allegations containing the second paragraph seventeen of the plaintiff's
Speaker 8: complaint are denied. The allegations contained in the second paragraph
Speaker 8: of the Plaintiff's complaints are denied second paragraph eighteen. Now,
Speaker 8: how about your alternative counterclaim? What do you say happened
Speaker 8: that night?
Speaker 3: Said? Take us through it. In the event the court
Speaker 3: determines that it has jurisdiction over the subject matter and
Speaker 3: jurisdiction over the person of the defendant, that the.
Speaker 20: Statute of limitations does not bo this action, then that
Speaker 20: the complete otherwise states upclaim upon relief can be granted
Speaker 20: than the defendant alleges as follows, that the defendant is.
Speaker 3: A resident of Marion, Arkansas, That the plaintiff is an
Speaker 3: individual residing in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, That on or
Speaker 3: about October twenty seven, nineteen ninety three, in Blackburn, England,
Speaker 3: United Kingdom, the plaintiff unlawfully the plaintiff intentionally, with malice
Speaker 3: or reckless indifference, assaulted and battered me with a pair
Speaker 3: of scissors and repeatedly stabbed me. That the aforementioned that
Speaker 3: the afforcing actions by the plaintiff constitute an intentional assault
Speaker 3: and battery upon me. As a direct and foreseeable result
Speaker 3: of the assault and battery by the plaintiff, the defendants
Speaker 3: sustained severe, painful and permanent injuries too, and about his body,
Speaker 3: including stab wounds and multiple laser races to his face, stomach,
Speaker 3: and don't stop there.
Speaker 20: He suffered and continues to suffer great pain of body.
Speaker 3: And mind as he received, He received and continues to
Speaker 3: receive hospital and medical care, attention, and treatment. He occurred
Speaker 3: and continues to incur expenses for hospital and medical care, attention,
Speaker 3: and treatment. He has been disabled from performing his usual
Speaker 3: activities and occupational duties, with resulting loss of earnings and
Speaker 3: as a redirect and approximate result of the aforementioned injuries,
Speaker 3: set defendant is informed, believes, and therefore alleges that he
Speaker 3: has been severely sad part of that line injured, that
Speaker 3: damage and an amount in excess of ten thousand dollars
Speaker 3: fucking awsom the plaintiff is informed, believes and therefore alleges
Speaker 3: that the actions by the plaintiff were intentional, wanton, willful,
Speaker 3: and malice and we're done with the intent to seriously
Speaker 3: injure the defendant, and therefore the defendant is entitled to
Speaker 3: an award of punitive damages in an amount in excess
Speaker 3: of ten thousand dollars. Wherefore, Defendant respectfully praise the Court
Speaker 3: as follows that this Court enter in order dismissing the
Speaker 3: plaintiff's complaint as requested in defendant's motions here and above,
Speaker 3: that plaintiff have and recover nothing of this defendant, and
Speaker 3: that his complaint be dismissed with prejudice that subject to
Speaker 3: the relief prayed foreign paragraph one.
Speaker 20: Here right above all they follow a denial of those
Speaker 20: motions that defendant recovered judgment against the plaintiff in.
Speaker 3: An amount in an excess of ten thousand dollars for
Speaker 3: the actual damages suffered by the defendant, that subject to
Speaker 3: the relief prayed foreign paragraph one here and above, and
Speaker 3: only following denial those motions that the defendant have judgment
Speaker 3: against the plaintiff in an out in exists of ten
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for beauti of damages that's subject to the
Speaker 3: relief preyed a four in paragraph one here and above,
Speaker 3: and only following denial of those motions that this defendant
Speaker 3: have a trial budgery on all issues of fact a
Speaker 3: rising in this cause, that the cost of this action
Speaker 3: be taxed against the plaintiff, and for.
Speaker 20: Such honor and further relief as the Court seed re
Speaker 20: deem just improper.
Speaker 3: This the twenty fourth day of March nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 3: Darza A, Miller, Pollard and Murphy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable, SAIDs on
Speaker 3: the record. Holy shit.
Speaker 8: Well, about a month after that there's a filing.
Speaker 3: And then there's more.
Speaker 8: It doesn't really go very far. There's clearly behind the
Speaker 8: scenes negotiations going on between both sides, and despite this
Speaker 8: being filed in January of nineteen ninety four, it isn't
Speaker 8: until April twenty fifth of nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 3: Okay, what we get the fuck out of here?
Speaker 8: Right around the time he wrestles Undertaker in the main
Speaker 8: event of WrestleMania thirteen, does sid Uty settle with arn Anderson.
Speaker 8: The filing reads stipulation and voluntary dismissal come now the parties,
Speaker 8: through their respective Council of Record, and pursuant to Rule
Speaker 8: forty one A one of the North Carolina Rules of
Speaker 8: Civil Procedure, stipulate that the complaint and counterclaim filed in
Speaker 8: the above captioned action are both dismissed with prejudice, and
Speaker 8: that each party shall bear its own court costs at
Speaker 8: attorney's fees. So it is dismissed voluntarily. So I guess
Speaker 8: not quite a settlement. I think they might have to
Speaker 8: say that specifically. I'm no expert in the civil law.
Speaker 8: That we have spent a lot of time looking at this,
Speaker 8: and I feel like you do kind of vindicate if
Speaker 8: there is a settlement. This just seems like it was
Speaker 8: like both sides said, do we really need just still
Speaker 8: spend lawyers on this thing?
Speaker 3: Yep, we're both over it.
Speaker 8: We're both in different places in our careers, we're both
Speaker 8: in different locker rooms.
Speaker 3: Let's drop it. And it's amazing that they didn't drop
Speaker 3: it until nineteen ninety seven. That's crazy. But you hurt
Speaker 3: really crazy.
Speaker 8: You heard me reference it. For all of his hazy
Speaker 8: and malinformed perspectives on this thing, maybe Colonel Parker saw
Speaker 8: something that none of us thought to think of. Yeah,
Speaker 8: as a contributing cause to all this.
Speaker 18: And I'll just tell you this, straight up truth. Wouldn't
Speaker 18: be any good if it didn't. Sid was doing his steroids.
Speaker 18: Gosh did he look good man? He was, he was
Speaker 18: lit man. And when he went, he knew that he.
Speaker 24: Wasn't going to be able to take his steroids along.
Speaker 24: So I knew that he took an awful lot of stuff.
Speaker 6: Ongoing.
Speaker 18: So the first night that they're there, he is really well,
Speaker 18: he's ready to explode. Yes, and uh is this is
Speaker 18: what I hear, you know to hearsay, But I'm sure
Speaker 18: I got the story because I was this man and
Speaker 18: I had been there with him. Would not have happened
Speaker 18: because I knew Sid, and I knew the possibilities and
Speaker 18: I could get ahead of the.
Speaker 24: Game and make sure that those things didn't happen.
Speaker 18: And I think he would back me up on that
Speaker 18: if he was here today then, But I wasn't there
Speaker 18: with him.
Speaker 3: And he was on his own, on his own without
Speaker 3: his can Wow.
Speaker 8: Wow, what's more dangerous than a guy who roid's hard
Speaker 8: someone who's been deprived of his roids for ten days
Speaker 8: in England? You can't bring him over the border. Maybe
Speaker 8: it is just that simple. And again, for all of
Speaker 8: the for all of the palace intrigue in Sid's career
Speaker 8: in both big companies, somehow it always seems to come
Speaker 8: down to whether or not he can get access to
Speaker 8: the steroids to be Sid.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 3: Of course this is a bit of a scandal in
Speaker 3: the UK. Take a look.
Speaker 8: This is a screen grab from Gary Michael Capetta's book
Speaker 8: some tabloid coverage in the UK.
Speaker 3: Of this fight Wow Kelly Wrestling stars in two am
Speaker 3: hotel knife brawl, grappling pals pull them upon.
Speaker 8: A great headshot of Sid. I mean god, Oh, I
Speaker 8: mean god. Yeah, that's the kind of guy who's enforcer
Speaker 8: barbral Sid stab wounds and he's got his hands behind
Speaker 8: his head and he's got his teeth grated in the photo.
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 8: But is it true a real fight? The Miami Herald decided.
Speaker 8: Alix Marvez, a w employee, decided to cover it with
Speaker 8: that terminology. Oh man, that's brilliant. In October ninetety three,
Speaker 8: the Halloween edition actually of the Miami Herald, he wrote
Speaker 8: professional Wrestling move from Fantasy to Reality Tuesday.
Speaker 3: It's reel as an actual fight.
Speaker 20: Guys.
Speaker 8: When Arn't Anderson and Sid Vicious engaged in a real
Speaker 8: life fight that left both men hospitalized. Anderson lundy at
Speaker 8: Vicious Sid Udi began squabbling on a bus while returning
Speaker 8: from a World championshipresting showing card of England. Later that evening,
Speaker 8: Vicious six ' eight three ten knocked on the door
Speaker 8: of Erson's hotel room and said he wanted to apologize.
Speaker 8: See Okay, that's already out there, that version of apology.
Speaker 8: That's not what Arne says in his port filing. There's
Speaker 8: no attempt to apologize for anything. There's just lying in
Speaker 8: wait with a fucking piece of table in your hand
Speaker 8: or chair ready to go. When Anderson sixty one two
Speaker 8: forty answered, Vicious smashed him with a chair, and the
Speaker 8: ensuing melee both wrestlers stabbed each other with a pair
Speaker 8: of scissors. The two were separated by WCW wrestlers and
Speaker 8: then were admitted to a local hospital. Both were discharged
Speaker 8: by the next day and returned to the United States.
Speaker 8: WW spokesperson Sharon Sidello of all people, she directing the
Speaker 8: fucking awful mini movie that we played at the top
Speaker 8: of this episode, was uncertain whether any discipline reaction would
Speaker 8: be taken against either wrestler, or if they would miss
Speaker 8: any upcoming appearances. Adello declined comment on the fight. I
Speaker 8: don't even know why she took the call. If Vicious
Speaker 8: were fired, ww's plans would be ruined. Vicious turned babyface
Speaker 8: on Saturday's WCW Saturday Night telecast, and it's slated to
Speaker 8: face Vader in December in the main event of the
Speaker 8: Starcade pay per view show. However, this is his cheap shot,
Speaker 8: Oh cheap shot on Anderson appears to leave WCW no
Speaker 8: choice but to sack the sidster, no choice but to
Speaker 8: sack the sidster.
Speaker 3: There we go. I guess what are your thinks? In charge?
Speaker 8: Here Inside the Ropes with Kenny McIntoshes, Eric Bischoff explains
Speaker 8: this first, let's say, human resources challenge that he's encountered
Speaker 8: of this magnitude since taking control a WCW.
Speaker 9: Was it was late in the evening because it happened
Speaker 9: in a different time zone. It was late in the
Speaker 9: evening when I got a phone call.
Speaker 8: You got that it was in a different time zone.
Speaker 8: You get that, of course, Yes, yes, I'm going to
Speaker 8: make sure you hear this is configured correct.
Speaker 3: Late in me. Yes, it would have been late in
Speaker 3: the evening. It was two am. No, it wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been late.
Speaker 6: In the evening.
Speaker 3: Now, it was where he was because he wasn't on
Speaker 3: the tour, right, it wasn't leave in the evening if
Speaker 3: this happened at two am. With that, well you just
Speaker 3: sent me so true And.
Speaker 9: Oh, Eric, was it was late in the evening because
Speaker 9: it happened in a different time zone. It was late
Speaker 9: in the evening when I got a phone call and
Speaker 9: Doug Dillinger, who was our head of security in WCW,
Speaker 9: called me and said, Eric, you know, he told me
Speaker 9: what happened, and he gave me pretty specific details as
Speaker 9: to what led up to the incident.
Speaker 3: And how it all went down.
Speaker 8: So he's getting the version of this story from Doug Dillinger, who,
Speaker 8: if I can read between the tea leaves here, arn
Speaker 8: Anderson name drops in his own legal complaint which tells
Speaker 8: me he's not afraid of Doug Dillinger being called before
Speaker 8: a jury judge to give his account of things in
Speaker 8: terms of the risk that Dillinger will say something unfavorable
Speaker 8: toward arn Anderson's version of what happened. So remember it's
Speaker 8: Dyllinger telling Bischoff who did what?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 8: We'll see if that if that has bearing on his
Speaker 8: ultimate decision.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 9: And first of all, it was horrified. You know, it's
Speaker 9: late at night. I wasn't thinking it was. I think
Speaker 9: it was on a weekend. Maybe wrong about that, I
Speaker 9: can't remember, but it was it was at an odd
Speaker 9: time when I wasn't thinking about work. I was home
Speaker 9: with my family, my kids, and I get this phone
Speaker 9: call Arnstabs Sid what.
Speaker 3: Sesh uh?
Speaker 9: Can I just get a sexual harassment problem?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 9: Can I get some other kind of other than somebody
Speaker 9: tried to kill somebody with a pair of scissors.
Speaker 3: That was a tough one. I wasn't prepared for that one.
Speaker 6: I didn't know how to handle that.
Speaker 9: But I got more and more information, and once I
Speaker 9: got the update and everybody was helping them, we're just
Speaker 9: going to die and bleed out and die in the
Speaker 9: hallway in a hotel. Once I knew everybody was safe,
Speaker 9: I went and conferred with the next day my boss.
Speaker 9: His name was Bill Shaw at that time, and we said, well,
Speaker 9: let's just wait till everybody gets back, try to get
Speaker 9: as much detailed information as we can, and we'll figure out.
Speaker 6: What to do from there.
Speaker 3: But it was a bizarre, bizarre folcal to get.
Speaker 26: But you said, had been in WWF, he's come back.
Speaker 26: You know, I'm sending there are big plans for him.
Speaker 26: He always gets let go. Was that a decision tough
Speaker 26: to kind of, you know, take a big name and
Speaker 26: kind of get rid of him.
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't tough because I mean, that's such a
Speaker 9: serious situation. There has to be a very cut and
Speaker 9: dry decision. There could be no ambiguity, there could be
Speaker 9: no doubt, there can be no shadows. You know, it
Speaker 9: has to be an incredibly clear decision. And the reason
Speaker 9: that I let sid go. I'm gonna be honest. I
Speaker 9: like Arn Anderson, I really do, and I respect Arn Anderson.
Speaker 9: However do you arn Anderson at that time in his life?
Speaker 9: In the wrestling business, we call them disturbers, people that
Speaker 9: just like distir right, just to be able to entertain
Speaker 9: themselves by watching people react to this that they've stirred up.
Speaker 3: That's how they got their entertainment.
Speaker 9: That's how a lot of rest and talent kind of
Speaker 9: entertained themselves on the road. They were pulling ribs on
Speaker 9: each other, doing really horrible practical jokes on each other.
Speaker 6: Or creating situations.
Speaker 9: That they knew was going to cause drama and conflict
Speaker 9: because they got a weird kind of enjoyment out of
Speaker 9: watching all that.
Speaker 3: Happen in front of them.
Speaker 6: That's just, unfortunately what happened. I guess when you're on
Speaker 6: the road a lot.
Speaker 9: There was no doubt in my mind that Arne started
Speaker 9: that issue because Arne, and it came out subsequently. Arn
Speaker 9: was kind of like poking Sid, making fun of Sid,
Speaker 9: challenging Sid, embarrassing Sid in front of his peers. That
Speaker 9: was arn Anderson's mo when he was drinking. When he
Speaker 9: was sober, he was fine, we all changed when we're drinking.
Speaker 9: I was a lot more interesting two hours ago than
Speaker 9: I am now. But I'm gonna do my best. But
Speaker 9: Arn was the kind of guy that once he started
Speaker 9: drinking and having fun, he was like he was the
Speaker 9: class clown. Only his idea of humor was to make
Speaker 9: fun of people, to moralize people, challenge people.
Speaker 6: And I knew that.
Speaker 9: But the reason I fired Sid is because Sid made
Speaker 9: the decision. Backtrack, So Arn's poking the bear, making fun
Speaker 9: of Sid in front of everybody in a bar. They're
Speaker 9: all drinking, everybody's drinking, including Sid. Aren't everybody else aren't
Speaker 9: making fun of him, challenging him, demoralizing him, degrading him
Speaker 9: in front of people. Whatever the case was. They both
Speaker 9: go up to their rooms. Eventually Sid decides to leave his.
Speaker 6: Room and go confront Art.
Speaker 3: That was the mistake.
Speaker 9: If Sid would have gone to his room, Arn't would
Speaker 9: have gone to his room. They both would have slept
Speaker 9: it off, there would have been no issue. But Sid
Speaker 9: made the decision to go confront Arn and then the
Speaker 9: incident happened. That's why I fired Sid. He's the one
Speaker 9: that made a decision to go. Take it one step further. Now,
Speaker 9: I can't condone stabbing somebody with a pair of scissors,
Speaker 9: but Arne was defending himself as crass or unreasonable as
Speaker 9: that may sound, when you have a guy's big as
Speaker 9: Sid Vicious coming to your room to kick your ass,
Speaker 9: you're going to do whatever you have to do to
Speaker 9: not get your ass kicked. And I again, I'm not
Speaker 9: condoning that, but at least I can put it into context.
Speaker 9: And the fact that Sid could have stayed in his
Speaker 9: room and left the bee, but chose to ratchet the
Speaker 9: violence up by confronting Arn, in my opinion, made him
Speaker 9: the one that had to go.
Speaker 8: But wait, was that the reason he had to go?
Speaker 8: Why is that ultimately the reason? I mean, you've got
Speaker 8: to remember Stark ninety three. Main event is on the books,
Speaker 8: say it shout the angle. You heard the reference there
Speaker 8: in Alex Marvez's piece about how they had just actually
Speaker 8: turned Sid babyface in preparation for the Vader match before
Speaker 8: this happened. Do you know who Sid was in the
Speaker 8: ring with on the October thirtieth, nineteen ninety three edition
Speaker 8: of Saturday Night, the first ww television show to air
Speaker 8: after the stabbing took place over in the UK. No,
Speaker 8: he's in the ring with Nature Boy Rick Flair, the
Speaker 8: same guy that he's in the hotel saying needs to
Speaker 8: move out of the way. Is the guy getting him
Speaker 8: primed for the main event of the biggest show on
Speaker 8: WCW's calendar year.
Speaker 6: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: So Sid, who's still managed by Colonel Parker by this point,
Speaker 8: still being a heel seven days after the stabbing. This
Speaker 8: is what wrestling fans around the country you see on WTBS.
Speaker 3: Out of his US and Flayers a quick twiner than heels.
Speaker 11: Ric Flair could be moments away, step three shots approval
Speaker 11: couldree moments away.
Speaker 3: I think this is the only Flare side on one match,
Speaker 3: by the way, I think you're right.
Speaker 11: Blocked by Fishes. WHOA But Fishes didn't get blocking rams
Speaker 11: the Nature Boy into the buck hole.
Speaker 8: Do you remember them going one on one in like WWF.
Speaker 3: I don't No, I don't think so. No, because unless
Speaker 3: they did in something like house showing like ninety one, right.
Speaker 19: As Sid Vicious now, thank you, gonna try the power
Speaker 19: bomb here?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Maybe the wheels take.
Speaker 12: It out from Leondery.
Speaker 3: Maybe he can't get him up like he should.
Speaker 2: Let's see what a flare upside down.
Speaker 3: But still a center stage days by the ways off
Speaker 3: the top. Put any event to seats on the hard
Speaker 3: camera side, brings him back down.
Speaker 14: Oh, they both hit hard at time.
Speaker 11: Kelly the back suplex, but Fishes got the worst end
Speaker 11: of that one. It ain't offen big. Sid gets taken
Speaker 11: off his feet. Flair with a cover, whoa any can
Speaker 11: of pulted flair?
Speaker 8: All power kickout by Sid with the gua pret with
Speaker 8: the press there the bench press, and.
Speaker 14: Now Rick Claire up top again.
Speaker 3: Sid fishes up to me. Didn't do anything about it?
Speaker 3: Rick Flare tandel and Flare goes for the Figure four,
Speaker 3: locks it in and he's hooked. He's gotta hook that
Speaker 3: Sid fish us Colonel Parker losing the ship at inside.
Speaker 2: Set.
Speaker 3: Now Colonel Parker's up on the apron. Sid reverses the
Speaker 3: Figure four, Parker's in the ring and kicks Flair in
Speaker 3: the head good.
Speaker 13: Colonel Parker's come in.
Speaker 3: That's gonna get flair of the wind. They're gonna just
Speaker 3: wantify sa Hey, give flair the wind sides the turn as.
Speaker 13: A result about this clification make too hold.
Speaker 8: And it's here boss where Sid is sick of his
Speaker 8: heeling manager Wow on.
Speaker 13: Words, gay tend Why you're on TVs Hey? All the
Speaker 13: turner could do is react, look at fair, you know, look.
Speaker 3: To please with the perdile.
Speaker 11: Why did you look at PA's try to explain to
Speaker 11: one now when he had a time.
Speaker 3: I don't stand he was incredible and not Sid christious
Speaker 3: and the corner cough sackius. The title shot Sid looking
Speaker 3: at people like, shouldn't necessarily say that? Toody. I think
Speaker 3: that's what Sid saying right now. The turtle make the
Speaker 3: moves because he had to.
Speaker 18: We are out of time.
Speaker 3: We got a guy. We're gonna tell your he's got
Speaker 3: curib you next week.
Speaker 8: And Saturday Night fades to black. Wow, that's wild it
Speaker 8: Sid elevating Colonel Parker. They don't show the impact on
Speaker 8: the choke slam, but they do show him lifting him
Speaker 8: in the goose hole. And now Sid is ready ready
Speaker 8: to go as the top guy, potential future world champion
Speaker 8: to dethrone Vader the Monster, and we're on our way.
Speaker 8: We're at least so we thought. It's just amazing that
Speaker 8: that airs after after Sid stabs are and over a
Speaker 8: fight over Rick Flair.
Speaker 3: That's really fucking crazy.
Speaker 8: That is That's that's Halloween season. You want to talk
Speaker 8: about serendipity. Oh yeah, right, that's Halloween nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 8: As we sit here upon Halloween two thousand and twenty four,
Speaker 8: ten years strong on TLFT, he's.
Speaker 2: A lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carn
Speaker 1: Seo and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 8: But was that the reason ultimately that Sid was fired
Speaker 8: by WCW in nineteen ninety three. I mean, that's a
Speaker 8: lot of equity they just put into Sid shooting that
Speaker 8: big angle and a one on one match with Rick
Speaker 8: Flair on Saturday Night, which this is of course pre
Speaker 8: Monday nightro So Saturday Night was really the most primo
Speaker 8: exposure they could give their biggest angles. You know, I
Speaker 8: don't know, what, wouldn't it be easy to talk WCW
Speaker 8: brass into maybe keeping Sid around even after he nearly
Speaker 8: fucking killed Arn Anderson.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess he just did something stupid like pour
Speaker 3: a can of Vienna's down the garbage disposers.
Speaker 8: Not quite that bad, but you know, you hear Bischoffs say,
Speaker 8: in no uncertain terms, he fired Sid because Sid instigated
Speaker 8: Sid took it to the next level in terms of,
Speaker 8: you know, the fight with arn Anderson. But if that
Speaker 8: was the case, then why would Sid be talking to
Speaker 8: Hannibal about a series of contract negotiations that took place
Speaker 8: after the stabbing OO, which WCW seemed quite keen on
Speaker 8: keeping the Psycho one. And to hear Sid tell it here,
Speaker 8: it's a whole different reason that he never came back
Speaker 8: to WCW after leaving arn Anderson in a bloody heap
Speaker 8: in England.
Speaker 6: X Y, you were the one that was let go
Speaker 6: out of that.
Speaker 7: No, this is what happened. I went into the office
Speaker 7: with my Oh, this is what happened. This is what
Speaker 7: started to fight. Right before we go overseas, Ary Bischall
Speaker 7: tells to me. He says, uh, we understand that I
Speaker 7: never signed a contract there while.
Speaker 3: O he was boss.
Speaker 7: Now, when Eric took over, I was still getting paid
Speaker 7: on the original contract. But when it was when I
Speaker 7: was to work with Vader for the World Championship, that
Speaker 7: my year would have been up and I would have
Speaker 7: got to ask for more money. So I hate this
Speaker 7: is true, the true story. So Eric's talked to me.
Speaker 7: He says, said, you haven't got it. You have you're
Speaker 7: not under contract. I said, yeah, now I knew it.
Speaker 7: I didn't think it meant that much. So he goes, well,
Speaker 7: we need to get you in the contract, but not
Speaker 7: what I'm getting paid now. He said, well, what do
Speaker 7: you want? When I told him, he said, no, we're
Speaker 7: not gonna get that to you. Well, then I'm not
Speaker 7: gonna be here any longer. So he says, okay, well
Speaker 7: we'll give it to you.
Speaker 6: So he gave it to me. I signed it. Were
Speaker 6: overseas and that's pretty easily. What the argument was, I
Speaker 6: just got a big pay paid increase, you know. So
Speaker 6: what was the question again, uh to you being okay?
Speaker 7: So when after the fight and we came back home
Speaker 7: and I held up a little bit, me and my
Speaker 7: lawyer Bill after I mean uh uh not Bill, after
Speaker 7: Bill Effert out of Memphis. He went with me there,
Speaker 7: and this is what they told me in the office
Speaker 7: that day. If I would be willing to go back
Speaker 7: to my original pay I could keep my job, and
Speaker 7: I said no.
Speaker 6: And that's why I lost my job? Was it because
Speaker 6: of what I did? Because we take a pay cut.
Speaker 8: Sounds about right, thank you very much. Why are you
Speaker 8: negotiating with the guy if he's if he's in the
Speaker 8: wrong here and needs to go.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're always listen. That's exactly it right there.
Speaker 3: I mean, I I wrestling doesn't care. That's fucking correct,
Speaker 3: all right. If you tried to fucking kill somebody or
Speaker 3: you injured somebody greatly, what they care about is they
Speaker 3: don't want to give you more money than they think
Speaker 3: you deserve.
Speaker 8: And Sid, that's Sid's omo and that's why you drove
Speaker 8: people so crazy. If you listen closely, he said that
Speaker 8: that's really what the fight with arn in London was about,
Speaker 8: was the fact that he had just gotten them to
Speaker 8: agree to give him more money because he didn't have
Speaker 8: an ink to deal under early so and that was
Speaker 8: Sid's That's why people hated Sid from a front office perspective,
Speaker 8: and you know from some of the wrestlers as well,
Speaker 8: is that he would just decide whenever the hell he wanted.
Speaker 8: That you give me more money or I'm leaving, and
Speaker 8: he would leave, and he would call your bluff, even
Speaker 8: if he had a contract with you, he would go
Speaker 8: ahead sue me, basically, sue me for not showing up.
Speaker 3: I know you won't, and he just he.
Speaker 8: Is not obligated that's correct, to honor anything that's correct.
Speaker 8: And that's why there's so much, so many grains of truth,
Speaker 8: and that version of SID that we've interpolated over the
Speaker 8: years here at TLF.
Speaker 3: That's so fucking crazy.
Speaker 8: So I don't know, I don't know why you're glibbling
Speaker 8: over pay. If you need to get rid of SID
Speaker 8: for being the aggressor in England, sounds to me like bullshit.
Speaker 8: Sid goes on to say, I agree with that for sure.
Speaker 8: Goes on to say in that interview that Bishof from
Speaker 8: what he understood, had been saying that guys at WCW
Speaker 8: were threatening to quit the organization if Sid wasn't fired,
Speaker 8: and that his lawyers went into a meeting with Eric
Speaker 8: and Bill Shaw and that he was later released. But
Speaker 8: there was never any kind of ultimatum in terms of
Speaker 8: one of the two has to go or you know,
Speaker 8: anything like that. So he disagrees with the I think
Speaker 8: the long standing kind of sense that there would have
Speaker 8: been like a mutiny in the locker room if SID
Speaker 8: wasn't fired. Well, they certainly did a lot towards signing
Speaker 8: him to a new contract before the blood was probably
Speaker 8: even dry in the carpet back in Blackburn. And of
Speaker 8: course we can't forget this. November ninety three is upon
Speaker 8: us and Vince McMahon is about to be indicted on
Speaker 8: conspiracy to distribute antabolic steroids, and the scrutiny on steroid
Speaker 8: use in pro wrestling is now at a level unforeseen.
Speaker 8: We're now talking charges. We're not talking corporate disgrace. We're
Speaker 8: now talking is wcwn ight ah. And in that environment,
Speaker 8: I think, as we learned at WWF, SID doesn't necessarily thrive.
Speaker 8: And just as much as Colonel Parker reminds us that
Speaker 8: steroids may have had a hell of a lot to
Speaker 8: do with why Sid was in the mood he was
Speaker 8: in when he nearly killed Arne Anderson, and steroids had
Speaker 8: to do what it had to do with the failed
Speaker 8: test around WrestleMania eight and SID suddenly finding a reason
Speaker 8: to leave in a huff shortly after that event, so too,
Speaker 8: does his forthcoming match with Vader get complicated by the
Speaker 8: drug component? The Observer November eighth, nineteen ninety three. Meltzer
Speaker 8: rites eventually, after being told ahead of time all ww
Speaker 8: wrestlers were supposed to go in one afternoon before taping
Speaker 8: to be steroid tested, the results are lack thereof of
Speaker 8: such have turned into only the latest and a long
Speaker 8: series of laughing stocks when it comes to the subject.
Speaker 8: Since either failure didn't result in suspension, as the existing
Speaker 8: policy stated, or nobody failed, what's even the thought of
Speaker 8: most preposterous Given the beatable nature of tests and lackluster
Speaker 8: monitoring them. The one thing we know for sure, Meltzer wrote,
Speaker 8: is that sid Udy didn't fail that test. He missed
Speaker 8: the test. Yes, he had a valid reason. Meltzer says
Speaker 8: the company booked him for a public appearance the day
Speaker 8: before and he couldn't get back in time. Somehow, said
Speaker 8: always finds himself in these situations. Man, it's always an airport,
Speaker 8: it's always a plane that didn't show up. Eventually, according
Speaker 8: to several reports, he was asked to take the test
Speaker 8: at a television taping a few weeks later and walked
Speaker 8: out by company policy. That would mean an automatic six
Speaker 8: weeks suspension and no reinstatement until he was able to
Speaker 8: pass a new test. The next day everything was smoothed out.
Speaker 8: It is the belief of many wrestlers, but unable to
Speaker 8: be confirmed at press time, that Yudi never took the
Speaker 8: test and may have even refused again on a later occasion,
Speaker 8: or even on two later occasions, a statement TBSNWIP management
Speaker 8: had refused to comment on despite several media requests earlier
Speaker 8: this week in the week of the latest incidents. If
Speaker 8: this is true, and if is the key word because
Speaker 8: nothing is confirmed, then here is the crux of this
Speaker 8: entire situation right here.
Speaker 9: M H.
Speaker 8: How can a company Meltzer Rights, give a huge raise
Speaker 8: and make the decision to make someone world champion and
Speaker 8: build the company around someone with a track record like
Speaker 8: this easy because of how the man looks. Rules that
Speaker 8: apply to most wrestlers don't apply to someone who is
Speaker 8: six eight, three hundred pounds exactly, little body fat and
Speaker 8: freakish muscularity, even though people who look like that are
Speaker 8: the exact reason wrestling companies have been pressured into making
Speaker 8: those rules to begin with. If Sidyudy walked out on
Speaker 8: a test and wasn't suspended right then and there. The
Speaker 8: management of WCW needs to answer the question as to
Speaker 8: why it's written policy wasn't enforced. If sid Udy did
Speaker 8: this more than once and wasn't fired after the second occurrence,
Speaker 8: more questions need to be answered, and those who let
Speaker 8: him slide need to be called on the carpet and
Speaker 8: severely reprimanded for creating the double standard. If those officials
Speaker 8: didn't immediately follow up by insisting on changing the planned
Speaker 8: storyline of sid Vicious becoming the next world champion at
Speaker 8: that point, there was a strong question as to whether
Speaker 8: they should be allowed to continue in their positions. If
Speaker 8: he did this a third time, those who allowed it
Speaker 8: and continue to allow the storylines to go unchecked and
Speaker 8: direction of making him world champion while possessing knowledge of this,
Speaker 8: need to be fired, not to mention the legal liability
Speaker 8: they should have to answer for because of the end
Speaker 8: result of all this. If he walked out on a
Speaker 8: steroid test and was subsequently given a raise or a
Speaker 8: bonus to do a job, or however it is worded,
Speaker 8: the people responsible for making the decisions to give him
Speaker 8: that raise and still give him the world title should
Speaker 8: be fired along with, if not ahead of, sid Udy.
Speaker 8: Even if steroids are not applicable to this story and
Speaker 8: none of the items regarding walking out on tests are true,
Speaker 8: there is still no way WCW can justify sid Udy
Speaker 8: remaining part of the company. There have been no confirmation
Speaker 8: whether the stories regarding whether or not Uty had been
Speaker 8: steroid tested before leaving on the tour are true talk
Speaker 8: about the European tour since ww has avoided returning phone
Speaker 8: calls to those who asked. The very fact of that
Speaker 8: has only fueled further rampant rumors. While there may be
Speaker 8: no tangible evidence of steroid use by sid Uty that
Speaker 8: would hold up in a court of law, the incident
Speaker 8: has largely raised the steroid issue once again among both
Speaker 8: wrestlers and those covering wrestling. It is believed that several
Speaker 8: WCW wrestlers who did take the recent drug test tests
Speaker 8: failed the test and are being required to attend to
Speaker 8: one day seminar on the evils of steroids and other
Speaker 8: I legal drugs. Whatever evils, there may be a question
Speaker 8: that has to be asked by all wrestlers is if
Speaker 8: those evils override the potential benefits, a significant advantage in
Speaker 8: obtaining a job, and an ability to earn a more
Speaker 8: lucrative contract with more job security than far more talented counterparts.
Speaker 8: No suspensions were levied. This may have been because the
Speaker 8: company would have had a hard time even fielding a
Speaker 8: line up for the European Tour and all these major
Speaker 8: shows if the written rules regarding six weeks suspensions for
Speaker 8: first defense and no reinstatement until label to pass a
Speaker 8: subsequent test had been enforced.
Speaker 3: Think about that boss.
Speaker 8: Did sid get on that plane to go on this
Speaker 8: tour where he nearly stabbed arn Anderson to death when
Speaker 8: he should have been on a six week suspension for
Speaker 8: walking out on a drug test?
Speaker 3: Ye huh.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The belief of at least some wrestlers melts or rites
Speaker 8: is that the company is serious about the steroids, subject
Speaker 8: at least to the level of wanting everyone to be
Speaker 8: able to pass tests, which to this point are given
Speaker 8: with advanced warning, which makes them the easiest to beat.
Speaker 8: When it pertains to the rank and file wrestlers, it
Speaker 8: has appeared obvious that many wrestlers that had been using
Speaker 8: steroids two months back are now off the stuff, But
Speaker 8: to suggest that it is uniform throughout the company, or
Speaker 8: that use is at the same level as the current WWF,
Speaker 8: which has a far more strict testing system in place,
Speaker 8: would be ridiculous. Whether the company would seriously enforce its
Speaker 8: rules should a main event or fail a second test
Speaker 8: during a key time period such as just before a
Speaker 8: pay per view or clash, or test regularly those who
Speaker 8: show signs of use, as it's written policy states, is
Speaker 8: at best a matter of conjecture. Further on in the Observer,
Speaker 8: Davy Boy said Vicious fired by WCW. Yes, big boss
Speaker 8: Man replaces Smith first rude at stargate. That's correct in
Speaker 8: unrelated incidents melts the rights too. WCW's most prominent bullseye
Speaker 8: posters for federal investigations, Davy Boy Smith and said Vicious
Speaker 8: were both fired man. Davy Boy likes to get fired
Speaker 8: in twos for steroids, doesn't he?
Speaker 3: Yes? He does? Vicious? Who had signed?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 8: Both these guys coming to WCW, by the way, after
Speaker 8: leaving WWF with that cloud hanging over their head, make
Speaker 8: no mistake about it. With the grand jury and paneled
Speaker 8: for the vincent indictment. All that everyone knows people being
Speaker 8: subpoenaed people being interviewed. Come on in, come on in
Speaker 8: a pal it's going on. Come on int w CW
Speaker 8: and you can do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3: What are you feeling, Powell? Are You're feeling good?
Speaker 7: This?
Speaker 3: You're feeling natural?
Speaker 8: Looking like a stack of dimes. Vicious, who agreed verbally
Speaker 8: with the WCW officials to a four year, two point
Speaker 8: four million dollar contract just before the October twenty sixth
Speaker 8: incident in Blackburn, England, where he and arn Anderson stabbed
Speaker 8: one another in a fight that got out of control. Technically,
Speaker 8: wasn't fired over the incident with arn Anderson because of
Speaker 8: legal reasons, but for what was termed overall volatile behavior. Yes,
Speaker 8: Elzer says because of WCW officials apparently letting Vicious slide
Speaker 8: on steroid tests. There is a very messy can of
Speaker 8: worms that still has to be dealt with, so any
Speaker 8: decision being absolute may not wind up being the case
Speaker 8: in the long run. But for now, Vicious has been fired.
Speaker 8: Arn Anderson, who has been suspended since the incident, will
Speaker 8: be reinstated honor around December twenty eighth. It's been ironic
Speaker 8: since television is not taped months in advance is now
Speaker 8: taped months in advance to see Anderson doing interviews that
Speaker 8: were taped in September and October talking about being stabbed
Speaker 8: in the back. Davy Boyce Smith was also fired this
Speaker 8: past week, or portally to set an example about too
Speaker 8: many no shows, and Meltzer's final report on said Vicious
Speaker 8: and WCW in nineteen ninety three reads as such. Said
Speaker 8: Vicious was in the office on Thursday and was told
Speaker 8: by a high ranking official that they'd like him back
Speaker 8: as soon as possible, but put the heat on the
Speaker 8: other wrestlers for not wanting him back, and saying they'd
Speaker 8: bring him back, but they'd have to wait for the
Speaker 8: wrestlers to cool down. This came two weeks after WCW
Speaker 8: informed vicious lawyers that he was terminated and the four
Speaker 8: year contract for two point four million that both sides
Speaker 8: had agreed to wasn't going to be honored due to
Speaker 8: his volatile nature.
Speaker 3: A Yeah, town checks out. YEP, sounds like sounds like
Speaker 3: the wrestling business.
Speaker 8: I don't think you can get any more accurate with
Speaker 8: the wrestling business than this whole fucking bunch of sid
Speaker 8: tells us. Yeah, it tells us about the business.
Speaker 3: Doesn't. He yes, he does.
Speaker 8: And as we started with Booker T feeling just so grateful,
Speaker 8: so humbled, and so protected by Sid's influence in WCW,
Speaker 8: getting them into the company that led to him becoming
Speaker 8: a national star and really setting him on the course
Speaker 8: to make his life's fortune in the professional wrestling business.
Speaker 8: So too was Booker T backstage when his patron Saint,
Speaker 8: all of a sudden has to walk out the door,
Speaker 8: just like you walked out of the World Wrestling Federation
Speaker 8: with Downtown Bruno dragging his luggage behind him, because things
Speaker 8: aren't going Sid's way. Sid's unhappy, and so we turned
Speaker 8: to Booker T's book for a fly of the wall
Speaker 8: perspective of how this all played out. It was a
Speaker 8: pr nightmare for WCW. A few weeks later, back in
Speaker 8: the state, Sid and arm were suspended without pay. It
Speaker 8: was rumored that a bunch of guys threatened to walk
Speaker 8: if Sid wasn't released. By December, Sid was let go.
Speaker 8: I felt bad for Sid. He'd done so much for
Speaker 8: lash in me, bringing us in, putting us up in
Speaker 8: his own apartment, giving me that first pair of boots,
Speaker 8: even looking out for our incremental pay raises. I'll always
Speaker 8: owe a debt of gratitude to the Big Man for
Speaker 8: our injection into the mainstream. However, by the time that
Speaker 8: confrontation happened, I can say Sid didn't seem to be
Speaker 8: in a good place. Yes, I don't know what he
Speaker 8: was going through. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I don't
Speaker 8: know what he was going through, but there was a
Speaker 8: shift that most wouldn't have recognized something was wrong. Sometimes,
Speaker 8: without explanation, he would be a no show at events
Speaker 8: he was advertised for. Even worse were the times he'd arrive,
Speaker 8: disapprove of everything they him booked in, get right back
Speaker 8: in his car and leave. The agents and other guys
Speaker 8: scheduled to work with him were left scrambling to pull
Speaker 8: together something for the fans. And one of lashes, my
Speaker 8: first shows on the road and making Georgia, Sid showed
Speaker 8: up in the back. Everyone was milling around waiting for
Speaker 8: the curtain call, and there was a big commotion. I
Speaker 8: wasn't privy to any of the inner workings back then
Speaker 8: and had no idea what was going on. Sid walked
Speaker 8: past me with a look that could kill. He kicked
Speaker 8: the back door open and was gone, just like that. Yes,
Speaker 8: and he was the headliner that night. I thought, Wow,
Speaker 8: when you get to that level, I guess you get
Speaker 8: to call your own shots. That must be the way
Speaker 8: the business is. But that's not the way it is. Unfortunately,
Speaker 8: although he definitely was big, Sid wasn't that big. Nobody
Speaker 8: is so now once again, and even more so than
Speaker 8: ever before, Boss Sid is a pariah in the pro
Speaker 8: wrestling business. Having done what he did to arn Anderson.
Speaker 3: God, what a fucking he is, such a I mean,
Speaker 3: he's indescribable. Sometimes.
Speaker 8: Maybe that thing Booker noticed that was different about Sid
Speaker 8: was I don't know, getting off his cycle. Hate to
Speaker 8: put words in your mouth, book, but words in your mouth.
Speaker 3: But there it is.
Speaker 8: So now Sid to pariah in the business. Surely, surely,
Speaker 8: having done what he did, no office would book him
Speaker 8: lightly from here, right, it was back to the farm life,
Speaker 8: play some softball, sell some agricultural chemicals. Figure out who
Speaker 8: Sid was if he wasn't a wrestler. For certainly, there's
Speaker 8: no way anyone would touch him now he had gone psycho.
Speaker 8: There's no way attacking arn Anderson with a fucking pair
Speaker 8: of scissors would in fact open the door to a
Speaker 8: whole new character and another WWF run right not one
Speaker 8: that it would eventually lead to the run of his
Speaker 8: career Right.
Speaker 3: A city preceding announcement as a Tea J.
Speaker 1: DeSantis production, its contents is intended for private use only.