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Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn

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Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling.

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Speaker 3: I never seen anything.

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Speaker 2: And it's the laps fan man like the one in

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the ring.

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Speaker 3: Forget about Sado. He the real king of swing. When

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the bell goes in the kick like me throwing in

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the corner, but gets rash like stick even Jerry King

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gets take off. The crowd nodded in his head like

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its Steve low Brown. Would you get low down? We

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go even high up?

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Speaker 4: Flipp you on your head, but you know cool driver,

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you speak more and Dragon spits fire give you more

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shock than when he treats higher drop a more truth

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than the con of sniper unless you with a coconut

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drop the cupcakes and gold the brain Bob means the

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best podcast Frost start the close cloud if you are

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it's a five second polls.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to w c W.

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Speaker 5: SID Basically ship man, it's Vince and you know better

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than this shit. We don't book a flight and a

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match on the same day that you're arriving England, so

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we go over there. We fly in the frank fot

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driven and stuff. We have to drive driving an hour

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whatever we go do this show.

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Speaker 6: We got to drive.

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Speaker 5: H We drove like three hours, excuse me, like three

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hours to show off an airplane, got to the building,

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we did the show. After the show, we had like

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a three or four hours drive, maybe even five back

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to the hotel where we stand at Frankfurt, and you know, hey,

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everybody's on the fucking bus. You start taking pills, you

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have a few drinks. You know, shit start getting heated.

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Next thing, you know, everybody talking about this motherfucker making money.

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That motherfucker making money. Rick Flair on Anderson started talking

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about Flair this that the money she started gotting heated ship.

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Next thing you know, we get back to the hotel,

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flying on Anderson bitch and wanting. Next thing, you know,

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beers flying across the table, the dylaner, the rental copy

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and they're trying to break motherfuckers up up. They sell

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that ship down. Some more shit fly. The next thing

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you know, Sid throws the fucking beer, Doug sending the

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guys to the room. Everybody's like fuck it. Everybody goes

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to the room. Ship I'm up there getting hashed out,

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ship smoking big hash and shut. But I hear somebody.

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I'm like, what the fuck somebody fainting. I'm thinking it's Vader.

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I'm like, God, damn it, Vader off his starting shit

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with somebody again.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, you know, scorp, I'm about the only

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motherfucker calming down, bringing back, like, hey, man, just leave

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it alone. So I go over to the Vader. Shit,

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I ain't the mother fuckering through the door. I'm like, damn,

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I go down the heading ship. I go down the steps.

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I see blood gall over, blood on the left, blood

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on the right, blood all down the fucking hallway. Shit,

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I'll keep on walking. I get down to the fucking

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hend the hallway. I'm not even the goddamn child. I

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get down there. Man, Iron, Anders and Sivis down their brawl,

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and they covered the fucking blood. Sid Vicious got the

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sizs got Iron Andison boy the hair. He's booting him

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in the fucking face, stamping him with the scizzors every

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which way, every place he can fuck of stamp. Arn

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Anderson got blood just spitting down like a fucking horror movie.

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And shit, man, so I was like, Damn, finally I

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see Seeing kicking Arn Anderson nose doesn't want a He

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turned straight the fuck up, and I'm like, Damn, I

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jumped in boom, push him a partner.

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Speaker 6: Shit.

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Speaker 5: Arn Anderson kind of falls against the wall from half

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drunk and half locks of blood and shit.

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Speaker 6: You know, he kind of stumbles against the wall. Seeing

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kind of steps back.

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Speaker 5: He looks at me, and I just stepped back in

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my stands like Damn said, I don't have to take

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you down. You know what I'm saying, But they she

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gotta stop. Sid just looked at me, freaked out, ran

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toward the back door. The door was locked. He kicked

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the motherfucker, shout at the fucking door, fucking pushed it open,

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ran out. He scooped around to the front and Vader

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just having to be sitting down there wife tried to

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call his wife and stuff down in his underwear and

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and and endland and in Germany, Man they locked the

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doors at twelve o'clock, one o'clock. If you're not back

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in the hotel, they locked the door, you have to

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buzz them they let you back in. So Seeing runs around.

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Vader's down in the lobby. See it runs into the

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fucking door. Shit, the door open, the sied It just

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fucking kicks the fucking door. The glass fucking shatter. He

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walks through the fucking glass, vanishing. They're freaking out there.

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The toples and holds him down, sit and spitting blood

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from his stomach and everything and stuff. You know, Man

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Next thing, you know, they fighting on the first floor.

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I mean right down by Rick Flair, Ricky Steve Boat's room,

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and I mean these guys are supposed to be their

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buddies and not one of these chicken shit motherfuckers.

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Speaker 6: Mok.

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Speaker 5: After goddamn room, I'm up born to goddamn set the

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floor and I gotta come down and break the shit up.

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Speaker 6: That's bullshit.

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Speaker 5: And then I'm not even office, but yet amulance police

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come up. They rope the shit off man, like this

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a damn murder case, you know what I'm saying. Next thing,

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you know, these guys going to the hospitals, and me

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and one of the office guys going to the hospital

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with them.

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Speaker 6: So I'm over here filling out.

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Speaker 5: Papers for him, filling our papers for sick and the

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real name the address the whole nine yard doing the

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same thing for Sid on this side.

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, damn, you know

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what I'm.

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Speaker 5: Saying, So seas you got to have exploratory surgery, you know,

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arms got to get passed up from head to toe.

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Dan there and shit with all these damn pests. They

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end up staying there for a week, two weeks, we

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move on. Next thing, you know, they end up going

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back home and they want to press charge. You want

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to lock the guys up. Hey, that was it, man?

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Speaker 8: So I guess Sid's back in the territory. Who was

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that too cold Scorpio?

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I've never heard her speak.

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Speaker 8: I was wondering if just my context clues you might

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pick it up. But yeah, smoking big hash. I feel

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like there have been a lot of people who you know,

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but Jesus Christ, that's a fucking riot. What do you

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know about the cid arn Anderson's stabbing incident?

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Speaker 3: Uh, only what we've talked about in the past. You know,

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I know that it happened. I know I know that

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there's it's a I think, if I remember correctly, it's

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a little bit different than what legend would have you believe.

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I don't know why exactly, but I remember when we

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did Starkad, that Starkad ninety three that there was it

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was like it wasn't as it wasn't as one sided

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as as it seems.

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Speaker 8: So let me ask you what a tribute to Sid

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and our arrival here on his chronology to his return

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to WCW in nineteen ninety three be a good time

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to perform a TLF autopsy on said matter.

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Speaker 3: I would say there's no better time.

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Speaker 8: And is it improper of me to refer to it

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as an autopsy considering both sliced each other open?

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Speaker 3: I think there's no more appropriate term.

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Speaker 8: This is fine, right, this is wrestling, so we have

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to we have to emphasize that, you know, Sid was

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nice to his grandkids over the fact that he nearly

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killed arn Anderson. Yeah, it's fine because we want to

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like Sid if if well, I don't know want to

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like Sid, but I mean, you know, the bottom line

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is it's wrestling, so so physical brutality and.

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Speaker 3: You know, disregard for human life, disregard for human life

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and just sheer acts of violence are acceptable because it's

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fake and therefore, you know, how can it really hurt them?

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Even behind the scenes. That's so true.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, when wrestlers really engage in an actual fight, it

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still kind of lands in the fans' minds and memories.

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Is just another fake squabble, you know, something that's more

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about legend and high spots than it is about the

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fact that, No, this is no longer bullshit, ladies and gentlemen.

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This is now a referendum on the characters of the

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individuals involved. And if you're Sid, if he wasn't the

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box office attraction he was, and wasn't able to command

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the money he was able to command, this sends his career.

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If he's even anywhere close to the mid card or

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the opening card he does something like this, you can

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forget about it. Yeah, And so, of course, no examination

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of the unique and remarkable career of Sid Uty as

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we're continuing to embark upon here on the lapsed Fan

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would be complete that a strict hard pause on nineteen

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ninety three, when, as we talked about last time, Sid

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has exited WWF in the spring of nineteen ninety two,

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after main eventing with Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania and Boss

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There's nothing more Sid than main eventing with Hogan at

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Mania and saying, fuck this, I'm out of here.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, exactly, No, that's that's completely accurate.

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Speaker 8: I'd much rather go to a territory that's on its ass,

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can barely put a thousand people in a building, if

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not five hundred in some towns. But it's still, you know,

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issuing checks that rely, that arrive in a predictable and

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steady manner in the mailbox, regardless of what I do

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or don't do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, you know, the less reliable what you

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do in the ring, providing the most reliable you know,

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reimbursement of your talents and terms of financial gain is.

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Of course, that's the way it should be.

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Speaker 8: I mean, if two Cold's version is to be believed,

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and for what it's worth, when he was alive, Sid

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did lend some creed to Scorpio's version, if only because

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he recalls Scorpio being around during the actual squabble with Arn,

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whereas a lot of other people like Vader were on

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the periphery and not eyewitnesses to the damn thing. Although

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I don't know how two Cold squares the fact that

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he saw Vader snoring like a mammoth in his hotel

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room and then later, Scorpio's down in the lobby in

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Vader's in his underwear talking to his wife on the payphone.

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I don't know how both can be possible within the

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Speaker 3: But well, I mean it's Vader.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it's impossible because it is Vader.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I see, this is the thing. I think

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it's impossible and possible because it's.

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Speaker 8: Vader, and Vader certainly has his version. I mean, this

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is so Vader. Where's my credit for neither guy catching

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a murder charge because I plug a hole in Sid

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Vicious his stomach in the lobby. Vader wants to know

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why this whole thing isn't about him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that's wrong, you know, I

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think I think Vader has every right to make every

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you know, every single major behind the scenes squabble about him.

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And of course, I mean because if he's listen, the

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more tension he gets, possibly the more money he gets,

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and then the more food he can eat, the more

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he can eat.

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Speaker 8: However, you know, choose to define it whatever a metaphor

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you want to put for eat.

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Speaker 3: The massive thing about it, you know, that's just it

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right there, if anything provides potential, you know, sustenence, you know,

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then he's he's going to do it, and we're gonna

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manish it and we're going to do it.

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Speaker 8: And the reason, as you mentioned that this last came

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up in the TLF ten year catalog with Stark ninety

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three was because, let's not forget, part of Sid's return

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to WDCW nineteen ninety three was basically being programmed in

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to win the world title and headlines Stark nineteen ninety

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three against Vader. Ultimately, that title shot went to a

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returning Rick Flair, who finishes up with the World Wrestling

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time to close out nineteen ninety three in North Carolina,

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winning the championship from Vader in one of the most

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memorable matches and moments in WCW history. But we cannot

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forget that originally it was to be the battle of

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the Masters of the power bomb, Sid versus Vader. We

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most recently Bozie recalled that a Clash of the Champions

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where Sid and Vader were tag teaming. They did that

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Beach Blast with that horrible fucking mini movie in the

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Exploding Boat and all that nonsense, great shit, great shit

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with Sting and Davy Boys Smith and others, and that

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was all nineteen ninety three. Nineteen ninety three was the

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absolute doldrums for World Championship Wrestling and led to the

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transition from the Bill Watts experiment to Eric Bischoff gaining

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power in kind of a head scratching moment for so

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many in the business, who you thought that they would

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pick someone with more tenure and more pedigree in terms

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of running a wrestling operation. But it speaks to kind

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of how how much they were throwing up their hands

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that an announcer who talked a good game and who

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understood the language of television and sales got this hugely

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influential position atop WCW, essentially running the entire TV operation.

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and in a lot of ways, Sid's returned to WCW.

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What was part and parcel of defining the earliest days

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of the Eric Bischoff regime, because this is basically one

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of the first disciplinary matters that Eric Bischoff had to handle.

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So this is the WCW that or we came to

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know during the boom period, just starting to form with

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Sid there at the helm, you know, commanding a high

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salary and commanding basically everyone's respect, because well, let let

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let's level set. What do you recall, even if in

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vague broad strokes about why these two started fighting too

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cold there in the clipping relaters from an RF video

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shoot interview, by the way, did intimate a bit of it?

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Why do you think they ended up stabbing each other?

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Speaker 3: I I I don't. If you don't remember, that's that,

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that's there were some squabble and I know that you

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know it ended up with pain, end up with paying.

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Speaker 8: SID comes in with big money, big money, big promises,

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and then kind of even renegotiates for even more money

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shortly before they go in this European tour in October.

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camp as you can imagine, who have no love lost

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for a Sid that they, as we've talked about earlier

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in our SID tribute, had no They were hardly impressed

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with Sid's run through the Four Horsemen. Let's put it

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that way. Even though Rick Flair ultimately ends up following

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Sid to the WWF, and thus that big brother little

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brother syndrome that Sid tried to talk about Flair in

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the context of when you would shoot interviews looking back

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continues even now Sid's back, and again he's getting paid

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more than everybody else, and so there's some resentment about that.

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And Sid is not one to shy away from really

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bragging about how the money he's making and being paid

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is completely justified, completely deserved, because he's an actual stupor

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star and all the rest of these guys are Jay

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Browns basically, and he's saying about Rick Flair in this squabble,

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this verbal argument with Arn Anderson. I heard two called

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talk about Rick Flair being there. I'm not quite sure

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he was actually there. He may have been, he certainly

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wasn't in the mix and hasn't talked about as somebody

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that was an eyewitness to or participant in the fight.

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an argument between Sit and Arn. But everyone who does

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tell the story does talk about everyone being really kind

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of loose and boozed up from these long bus rides.

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Whereas we'll talk about bus there was no one making

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sure there wasn't alcohol on the bus. Let's put it

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that way.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I understand these guys. These guys, you know,

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they have a requirement and you know they have a necessity,

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and that is when you are when you are traveling

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that you need to be loaded.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, especially when you go on a European tour.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is just so long.

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Speaker 8: I mean, how can we possibly fly for six hours

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without getting completely shit faced?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 3: I mean doesn't everybody do that? Yes?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 8: Doesn't everybody you know just just completely collapse from a

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willpower perspective at the thought of a transatlantic flight. I mean,

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where's the piece? I mean, I don't understand why this

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isn't acceptable and forgivable with a crew of professional wrestlers

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witness the Clean Ride from Hell in the w w

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A as well, it's all fine.

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Speaker 3: It's all yeah, it's and it's normal human behavior.

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Speaker 8: I mean, is it normal, as Scorpio describes basically blood

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streaked walls in this hotel in England?

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Speaker 3: Yes, in the hallways, yes I have. Haven't you ever

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see the shining?

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Speaker 8: I mean, Sid is kind of Jack Nicholson esque in

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this story.

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Speaker 3: Yes he is, Yeah, he is he's he's definitely been

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held up a little too long, And.

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Speaker 8: He would go on to say that basically, as far

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as he knows and can discern, the psycho Sid character

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he would go on to portray in w WF in

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no small part going back to WWF because he wouldn't

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be long for World Championship Wrestling after doing this. Needless

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to say, the idea that he was psycho in some

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way stems from this. Now, we did kind of sort

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of debunk that as he comes to the ring at

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WrestleMania eight.

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Speaker 3: We played yeah play, I mean, they call him psycho

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Sid Justice.

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Speaker 8: So they thought he was psycho way before he nearly

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killed arn Anderson. You know, it's definitely a proof point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll take that.

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Speaker 8: Definitely doesn't reduce the case anyway. This is an argument

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between Sid and Arn over what's wrong with WCW. As

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Sid likes to get in fights about what's wrong with

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the company. So it's never his salary. By the way,

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it's a booking argument. It's a booking argument, yes, and

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Sid makes and we'll get down to what parties involved,

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and eyewitnesses said. He said, basically makes a flippant comment

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about how old men like Rick Flair need to get

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out of the way, and then this company might actually

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be able to pave the path forward. Of course, Sid's

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coming from New York, so so is Flair. But you

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know he's coming from New York, so he's walking around

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talking about how much better they do things over there

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and how much more professionalized they are.

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Speaker 3: Which is hilarious because why'd you leave?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because they wanted a fucking drug test and that's why.

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And as much as a common narrative wants to hold

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that Sid leaves WCW in nineteen ninety three because of

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this incident, a close examination of the chronology reveals that

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they certainly weren't. The ww brass certainly wasn't beyond trying

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to negotiate to keep Sid, even for he really fully

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killed arn Anderson. Really yes, and that you know nineteen

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ninety three, right, who gets indicted in November nineteen ninety

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three on steroid distribution allegations?

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Speaker 3: Not me?

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Speaker 8: Yes, Uh, the major companies are from the pressure and

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they're drug testing. Not ill we start talking about testing regimes,

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is said, booking the next flight out of town. Me

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thinks so, and is he trying to reverse engineer reasons

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to leave that have nothing to do with drug testing.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he is. I want to play softball. I don't

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want to play it now, I want to play yesterday. Ah,

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don't need to test. I'm not authorized to test.

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Speaker 8: No, no, we want to asking you said to administer

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the test. You must misunderstand. I'm here if I have

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to test others, but I will not test myself. I

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will test your will I have already tested my limits.

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I will test your tolerance for absurdity in the boardroom.

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Isn't it kind of bizarre that for such a softball enthusiast,

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Sid did nothing but play hard ball behind the scenes

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in his wrestling career.

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Speaker 3: Very true, So we're going to.

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Speaker 8: Get another example, another exhibit of the character of the man.

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One would call this defining, Others would call this the exception.

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But regardless, it's one of the more infamous things to

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ever happen in a major wrestling organization in terms of

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backstage fights that reach kind of a insane levels. Just

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just really that it got this far and scissors got involved,

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It's just incredible. I mean, Arn's got a trim his beard, right,

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I mean he's got to bring scissors on the road.

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Come on, arn, can you make sure trim and his beard.

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Speaker 3: Sitting in the bathroom, you know, like just just fucking

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trimming away.

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Speaker 8: Just hear the snip, snip snip, you know what I mean? Like,

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oh damn, just these scraggly hairs. He's not satisfied until

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everything's relatively equal.

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Speaker 3: Everything exactly, not just that, that's exactly it. You know,

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he cannot stand any sort of like extra length hair.

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Speaker 8: On his face like a pro wrestler with fucking fluorescent

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lighting in a cheap England hotel room with the lighting

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on the mirror in the bathroom, no shirt on and

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a white towel or other ways trimming their beard at

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like one point thirty in the morning. Is that is

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that him trimming? Or is that Sid stabbing?

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Speaker 3: No, that's that's that's trimming.

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Speaker 8: So let me ask you when it comes to Sid

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stabbing arm, what would that be downed Blike, I mean,

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you're so good at making stab noises that I have

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the feeling that it just traumatizes you. And that's your

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way of dealing with it.

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Speaker 3: The thought of stating yes, the idea of a listen,

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there there are yes in terms of violent ways to

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go it's like the least the like I can't can

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handle just fucking shoot me, all right, Like I seriously,

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because the idea of being stabbed, unless you get stabbed

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in the right spot in the right time, it's not instant,

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it's not instant, and I can't handle that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, looking to see his eyes, is that a

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man capable?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Us, yes, yes, he is, he is. Uh, he is,

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he is capable like you never And this.

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Speaker 8: Is a dark story, a dark, dark, dark story, like

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you know, you know the story of already Lang somewhat,

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you know, like in twenty ten he.

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Speaker 3: He he how many? It's like I think he was

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found in his apartment with like ten self inflicted stab wounds.

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Oh my goodness, Like like that's the thing, like, as

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you know, like I can't, I can't handle that. If ten,

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if ten, If you stab yourself ten times and you're

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not dead, it's not a good way. It's not good

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for the victim.

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Speaker 8: I want you to consider the sixth one, you know

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what I mean? Oh exactly, Like you know this is

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this the end? No, we're just halfway there. So welcome

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to the latest chapter in the TLF Tribute to sid

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As he returns to World Championship Wrestling after a truncated

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WWF run that still forms core memories for us Hasbro kids,

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and I think plays no small role in why there

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was such a far and wide rounds of tribute to

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Sid's career upon his passing his untimely passing due to

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cancer according to his family this year or just a

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few weeks ago. And so we're looking at this nineteen

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ninety three really through the lens of the stabbing incident,

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which characterized it largely, but there's a bit more to say.

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I think about the impact that Sid had upon returning

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to WCW, because he's taken up on his offers and

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entreaties over the years to actually play a role in

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booking and coming up with characters for wrestlers and trying

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to be somebody that's kind of front office a little bit.

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What's unfortunate for Sid is he kind of reaches this

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agreement with Cowboy Bill Watts, who was running WCW at

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the time Sid came back on the market after leaving

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WWF and early ninety two is referenced similar to Rick Flair,

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who was negotiating with Bill Watts to make the return,

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but by the time the returns happen. Bill Watts is

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gone for reasons discussed at Nauseam, including as you mentioned,

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on the Starkaed Memorial tour. And so now Sid's here,

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but fortunately he still has an ally in Oli Anderson,

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who we've established, dating all the way back to the

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Skyscraper days, is a huge mark for Sid. I mean,

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I don't think that's overstating it. Well, let's just put

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it this way. When Oley was asked on some of

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his shoot interviews about the city, he said he liked

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the guy.

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Speaker 3: Which you know, if you know Ollie Anderson, you know

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that's like, that's huge.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Sid's on like a short list with Stan Hanson

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and like three other guys who aren't complete shitheads according

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to Anderson, and he's got the book. While Eric Bischoff

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is in charge of production as executive vice president or VP.

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However they whatever terminology they used, Bischoff really only had

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00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,039
jurisdiction or dominion, if you will, over the look and

473
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,279
feel the television product, how they would shoot it, where

474
00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:17,759
they would shoot at, how they would budget the production

475
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,599
staff and the trucks and the cameras and the graphics

476
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,440
and all that stuff. A key role to be sure,

477
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:28,200
but he's not back there, you know, handing wrestlers finishes

478
00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:32,119
and deciding who wins and loses. He's still deputizing those

479
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,759
responsibilities in the earliest days here to the likes of

480
00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:38,000
Oly Anderson and Dusty Rhoads. We've also established has now

481
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:40,680
left the WWF and is back in a front office

482
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,880
capacity at WCW. Not with as much sway as he

483
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,240
would have had it did have under Jim heard upon

484
00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:50,000
his return, but you know, still very much in the

485
00:23:50,079 --> 00:23:54,079
mix and putting his his fingerprints on things was a

486
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,839
dusty road. So Sid comes back into this, this political constitution,

487
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:01,400
and it's time to see what he can do over here.

488
00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:06,160
Do you remember being such a such a locked in

489
00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:08,079
fan of Sid Justice in ninety one and ninety two,

490
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,319
or at least being so aware of his essence and

491
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,559
aura that he went back to w CW, or just

492
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:15,799
feeling I'm here from him again until I.

493
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 3: No, No, I did know that he did.

494
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,599
Speaker 8: I remember, I remember when did he When did he

495
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:30,200
officially go go w cwuh slambering ninety three is when

496
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,039
he came back, Okay, which which I think we've covered

497
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:33,559
in the archives.

498
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:36,559
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, we might have. I. Oh, no, I

499
00:24:36,599 --> 00:24:38,519
don't think so that's the first thing. Well, maybe we did.

500
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,160
I don't know. After the shock Master incident, Yeah, I

501
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,079
I do remember. So I remember being in my aunt's

502
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,079
house and I remember flipping through the channels and it

503
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,000
must have been a Saturday night, honestly, and I was

504
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,119
slipping flipping through the channels and I stumbled the up,

505
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,519
you know, across w CW, and there was WW wrestling on,

506
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,440
and so I immediately stopped. And I can vividly remember

507
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:13,559
seeing at one point Sid wrestling a job guy and

508
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:22,039
wearing blue tights. And I was so disappointed. I was

509
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,279
so disappointed. Why disappointed because I kept thinking he was

510
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,440
going to come back. You know, I didn't know he

511
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,480
was gone gone. I thought he just was gone. For

512
00:25:30,519 --> 00:25:32,000
a little while. I thought, for sure he's going to

513
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,200
come back w W, and I was just incredibly disappointed.

514
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 8: I remember saw the mini movie with Davy Boy and

515
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,839
Staying versus Sid Invader on that episode of Saturday Night

516
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,440
that I know I did not see with Cheatham, the

517
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,279
little person involved in Colonel Parker.

518
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: No, the the whatever. I watched that wrestling show. All

519
00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:58,920
I remember is is sit in the ring Wrestling was on.

520
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 8: An episode of Saturday Night and this in so many

521
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,319
ways categorizes like the absurdity of what was w CW

522
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,039
at the time. As a Sid not only returns but

523
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,200
links up as we've talked about before with Vader and

524
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,720
the Master of the power Bomb tag team and faces

525
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,799
off with the dynamic duo of Sting and Davy. Boy

526
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,559
and WCW Saturday Night covered the mini movie brought to

527
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,240
us by VP of Marketing Sharon Sadela or whatever her

528
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:34,079
name was. This Sting and Davy playing volleyball on the

529
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,960
beach somewhere. This is ahead of Beach Blast, of course.

530
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,400
And yes we did cover Slambourne ninety three, episode two

531
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,279
sixty seven.

532
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 9: In the.

533
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: Colonel if they don't accept Charley raise Colonel Parkers in

534
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,000
for a big surprise. Yes, you're a man ready, Yeah, Yeah,

535
00:26:54,240 --> 00:27:01,440
he's ready. Yeah, sids right, do you trust cheat them

536
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,079
to get the job done?

537
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 6: Let me do it.

538
00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 3: I'll take care of it. They don't see the reason

539
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:17,119
I show you and asked for cheat them.

540
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,599
Speaker 8: I trust him Black first w Studies controller, come to

541
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,000
find out, was Dick Cheatham.

542
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 10: To be prepared and to Sting and Day. But Boy,

543
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,839
don't see the light. They'll be in for a beach

544
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,200
blast like they've never seen before.

545
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,799
Speaker 3: Beach blast coming out your pants.

546
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,599
Speaker 8: I mean they're they're both individually laughing into the camera.

547
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,359
Of course, they're barely addressing each other, sitting on the

548
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,319
beach in his blue trunks. They sit justice trunks. And

549
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,119
here's a shark fin in the water.

550
00:27:58,319 --> 00:27:59,799
Speaker 3: Awful, the jaws rip off.

551
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:23,599
Speaker 8: You cheat him with the shark fin on comes walking

552
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,559
out of the water under the shore. He's got a

553
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,759
cooler in his hand, and it contains a bomb. Boss,

554
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:36,400
it contains a bomb, of course, also containing a bomb

555
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:42,119
beach Blast nineteen ninety three. And this we have not

556
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,240
covered in the archives, so we are kind of getting

557
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,599
ahead of ourselves. Please forgive us whenever the time comes

558
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,880
to cover beach blast when we replay this, and I'll

559
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,240
give you a little more homework.

560
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,599
Speaker 3: On that one, Boss, so you have to actually watch it.

561
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:58,039
It does.

562
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:06,079
Speaker 8: Speech volley all games being interrupted. Oh my god, this

563
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,799
amphibious vehicle in their full wrestling gear. It's so Sid

564
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,079
has his blue trunks, blue knee pads, but he's got

565
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:13,519
sandals on.

566
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,039
Speaker 3: Everybody. Just stay here for a second.

567
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:16,599
Speaker 2: This looks like it could be pretty interesting.

568
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 6: Let's go see what they want.

569
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,279
Speaker 8: Walking down the beach, hardy of course, and slacks and

570
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,160
a shirt on the beach, Colonel Parker and his full regalia.

571
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: By the skulls and the bones.

572
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 8: Got that the skulls and bones that lie beside our

573
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:48,200
path are simple to our victories. Boy, They just cut

574
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:51,400
to Sid and Davy pardon me, stinging Davy silently marching

575
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,119
towards they are and Sid clearly shot on different days.

576
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,079
Speaker 3: Brother, I take that back. They come to center sting,

577
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:13,519
baby boy. I can't believe you wouldn't nixt factor proposalf God,

578
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,119
he sounds so constipated, day boy.

579
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,759
Speaker 8: Except someone really thinks they have like a.

580
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: Future of movie making doing this quick.

581
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,359
Speaker 8: Maybe it's a shot on separate days because they do

582
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,400
that split screen effect.

583
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 6: I'm thinking maybe I don't know.

584
00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: They're only in the same frame.

585
00:30:30,119 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 8: We got the tickets when they're standing on his two

586
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:35,319
diametrically post sides of the screen.

587
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: Get her hands.

588
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,799
Speaker 2: We can fly out of here.

589
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:41,599
Speaker 11: Go off from them, well, baby, one more time. Four

590
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,559
hundred and fifty pounds invaders six feet seven and three

591
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,559
hundred pounds, sad vicious masters of the power bomb.

592
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean maybe we should just take these tickets and

593
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,519
just retire.

594
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,599
Speaker 8: Said the WCW fan. All these people horrified watching on

595
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,680
the beach, that maybe even meant Diana Smith holding a

596
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:02,720
baby and glasses find a way to get on television.

597
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: So New York blast. Oh my god. If the kids

598
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:18,599
cheers that they're going to face a blast, you got fine.

599
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,319
Speaker 12: You're not gone.

600
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:26,559
Speaker 13: God, may guy got big boy.

601
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 11: Just made up mistake here.

602
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,839
Speaker 8: I mean they are never they're talking off off camera

603
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,920
to people who aren't there.

604
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: What are you supposed to mean by that? Yeah, that's

605
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,519
a good question.

606
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,759
Speaker 2: Just desperate people, and desperate people do desperate things.

607
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, like make fucking bullshit movies

608
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:51,599
from beach blasts.

609
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 11: Hey, guys, let's go buck you put some.

610
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: This is what Sid left an event w W spot

611
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:01,119
for a funny.

612
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 2: Round A funny guy hanging around the boat.

613
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 6: Say what.

614
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,599
Speaker 3: Hey, sting, sting, where's he going?

615
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 9: He's gonna see the guy hanging around the boat going.

616
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:27,519
Speaker 3: Click click click, excuse me? Did do do do do

617
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:28,400
do do do do do do do.

618
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 14: Do do.

619
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 7: O?

620
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,039
Speaker 3: Davy Chap is sting into the waters. The boat explodes,

621
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:43,519
stunned up this fucking uh, Western music there, fucking morons,

622
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:52,880
everyone just docking at this exploded boat put stinging Davy

623
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,599
emerge from the water in the kids cheer because they

624
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,519
thought they were dead.

625
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:00,359
Speaker 7: M h.

626
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 8: Be continued, Oh I understand why he stabbed arn Anderson.

627
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, So I would stabbed everybody involved in

628
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:13,200
that fucking shoot.

629
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

630
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno

631
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,559
m JP Soro.

632
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 8: Sid is back and we are back here paying tribute

633
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,720
to the remarkable and unique career of Sid ud here

634
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:50,960
on the podcast, and thanks so much for sticking with

635
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:54,079
us through this this journey we're taking. It's it's it's

636
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:55,839
hard to call it a journey. But at the same time,

637
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,799
though more closely you examined Sid's career, the more just

638
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,359
some unbelievable story where he's just unfold before you.

639
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely imagine unbelievable regarding Sid.

640
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,119
Speaker 8: Definitely one of them. So we're rocking and rolling here.

641
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,119
The seasons have changed, you know. I guess I feel

642
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,039
like as I see a beach scene there with Sid

643
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,639
Invader and staying in Davy, that that's very much behind us,

644
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,320
is it not, Boss?

645
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 3: Thank thank Christ. Is it not I don't know, Halloween time?

646
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 12: Yes?

647
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 6: Is it not?

648
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,199
Speaker 8: I don't know, scary movie season time under the cinemat

649
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,360
for these pitches.

650
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,679
Speaker 3: Yes it is. I'm fucking no. The what you what

651
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,840
would have just been seen? Is uh is not a

652
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,440
living dead? And very happy about that. I hope everyone

653
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,920
enjoyed that one. What a wonderful movie.

654
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 8: And look at the career of Pittsburgh wrestling voice Bill Cardill,

655
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,119
who is also an institution on television in that city,

656
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,880
you know, Brunos, San Martino City for generations. Yep, yep,

657
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,679
just a just a real treat. And and you know,

658
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,639
we've got a few more weeks left. I'm not gonna

659
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,000
spoil what's coming up next. No, it's a big surprise.

660
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,599
But don't have dinner before we go trick or treating kids. Okay,

661
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,559
that's really what I would suggest, because it's all it's

662
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:16,199
all sugar and empty calories. Yeah, exactly, a lot of

663
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,920
those rushes to come. So yeah, it's it's going off

664
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,079
on patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan. As we

665
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:25,079
turn into the seasons where we thrive the most, the cooler,

666
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:29,440
crisper seasons, the way it should be and we're excited

667
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,960
about what's ahead. We just of course laced the Solar

668
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
system with our premium live event, live call of Bad Blood.

669
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,159
Has ww brought that pay per view back this year

670
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,800
a Seampunk and Drew MacIntyre, Hell and a Cell, the

671
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,599
return of the Rock again after Cody and Roman Face

672
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,360
Solo and Jacob FAUGHTU. So those who who stayed locked

673
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,440
and loaded on Patreon were able to enjoy our live

674
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,360
call of that and a lot more through the fall.

675
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,760
Of course, there will be Crown Jewel where they're gonna

676
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,639
crown a new Crown Jewel Champion. We kind of skipped

677
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,400
over this when we did our live call. The Triple

678
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,119
H announced Boss that the Crown Jewel Belt is going

679
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,239
to go to the winner of a match between the

680
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,400
World Champ and the ww Champ. But those two belts

681
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,480
won't be on the line.

682
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 3: For one night.

683
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,519
Speaker 8: They'll not defend their titles. They'll they'll wrestle for the

684
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:21,360
Crown Jewel title. So like, so one guy's going to

685
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,920
beat the other champion, and then which being a champion,

686
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:26,800
which makes him the better champion?

687
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: Like, honestly, you're there basically if they put another belt

688
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:34,679
up for grabs with the two world champions going at it,

689
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
then this is it's a unification match.

690
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was always something that fucked them royally when

691
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,760
they insisted on doing that at Survivor Series, it being

692
00:36:43,159 --> 00:36:45,400
you know, Champ first, Champ brand versus brand. They got

693
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
away from that and then they I don't know, maybe

694
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,960
the Crown Prince was not pleased and wanted his own

695
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:51,880
title belt or something.

696
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: So I'm sure he does.

697
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 8: I'm sure he wants a Saudi Championship. That'll be the

698
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,840
the Saudi World Championship. So that'll be part of a

699
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,000
one to two punch from a live call perspective coming

700
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,480
up in the month of November over at Patreon, as

701
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:07,760
we do what we have to do to get that

702
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,760
under a belt, and as we learned, even the Saturday

703
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,719
Night's main event they're going to bring back in December

704
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,159
is a premium live event, So for the first time

705
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:15,599
in a couple of years, we'll come at you in

706
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:18,719
December with a live call, rocking and rolling on so

707
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,599
many fronts. Of course, add free versions of the show

708
00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,679
over there, and Russell Mamia is just continuing to turn

709
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over new leaves.

710
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Speaker 3: I mean we should we're getting into the Uh, I

711
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believe some of the stuff that we you and I

712
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,880
watched together.

713
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 12: With my mom.

714
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's about time I make a cameo during these

715
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:39,599
things exactly.

716
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 3: You know, you definitely did on the one hundredth show

717
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,199
with Kobashi and Joe. But you know we're getting onto

718
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,239
that to some of that that fun shit. You get

719
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,960
to join in and see what what my mom's all about.

720
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 8: So that's available to members of the Moat tier, the

721
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Premium tier, the highest price tier, the one that we

722
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,719
do understand is a little rich for some blood. But

723
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,280
my god, does it not help us discern who out

724
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,000
there in the Solar system deserves the most direct attention

725
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:07,559
and service?

726
00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 3: Boss? Oh for sure. I mean by this point, oh,

727
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,800
you know what we're actually this reminds me we are

728
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,960
actually in uh uh you know scary you know, scary

729
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,159
match season with with my mom. I do we do

730
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,920
I do a couple uh you know, halloween esque or

731
00:38:28,559 --> 00:38:31,920
you know, kind of horror themed matches for the month

732
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,199
of October. Yes, you do. People would have just seen

733
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,559
Undertaker versus Yokozuna in a casket match spooky, certainly a

734
00:38:38,599 --> 00:38:39,400
spooky match, and.

735
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 8: Not wait to hear what Mama Sorrow thinks of a

736
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:42,800
match where you could put someone in a fucking casket

737
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,159
and closed.

738
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah.

739
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 8: It's funny when they and the Netflix stock when Vince

740
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,639
talks about how we don't do murder and then they

741
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,239
intersplice it with clips of people getting stuffed in caskets.

742
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: No killing, no death. How about how about buried alive? Yeah?

743
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,280
How about that?

744
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,159
Speaker 8: How about Punk saying he's gonna kill and he's ready

745
00:38:58,199 --> 00:39:01,199
to die for it's give me a break. So, speaking

746
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,360
of Helen a Cell, we did hear from the homie. Gabe,

747
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:05,960
who we've been telling you about in recent weeks, is

748
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,960
facing a very serious surgery and probably by the time

749
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,159
you're hearing this, Gabe will be heading in for the procedure.

750
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And we appreciate everybody in the Solar System who did

751
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:17,880
what they could to contribute to trying to make it

752
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,599
a little easier from a recovery perspective on his family

753
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,719
as they have to rejigger basically everything without him at

754
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,199
the helm so to speak, as he recovers. So we're

755
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,800
sending best wishes to Gabe. But he tucked in one

756
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,159
last live event Boss before the procedure. He went to

757
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,800
bad Blood because he happened only working a show in

758
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,800
Atlanta that weekend.

759
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: Ah, dude, why put yourself through that when you got

760
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,639
such a big thing coming up?

761
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,519
Speaker 8: Well, you know he figured, you know, the heart's already damaged,

762
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,840
so what the fuck right? Yeah, going to get it fixed.

763
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,480
Let's take one more round of fucking pain. Awful, But

764
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:53,199
he sent this missive from the State Farm Arena. All

765
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,000
the old timers left immediately after their little screen hit.

766
00:39:56,559 --> 00:39:58,559
Remember that they were showing like DDP and XPOC in

767
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:58,920
the crowd.

768
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:01,679
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, yep. That's good to know. They get the.

769
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 8: Fuck out of there. They weren't watching these fake matches.

770
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: No, they don't listen. They just want to get there.

771
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,199
They're fulfilling their contractual obligation and they're getting the fuck

772
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,480
out of Dodge. You know, give my fucking check them out.

773
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,679
Speaker 8: Gabe also reports the crowd love the hell in a

774
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,440
sale match and I'm a sucker for false finishes, so

775
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,760
they got me engaged. Kids love Damien Priest. That's interesting

776
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,599
to know. Let's hope Damian Priest doesn't love kids, right.

777
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,480
I don't care about either of.

778
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 3: These name with that last name, Priest. It's kind of

779
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:28,199
hard not to.

780
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 8: Gay writes, I don't care about either of these dipshits,

781
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:37,800
Baylor or Discipline. Ramirez. Significant qualitative difference, he reports in

782
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,840
presentation live compared to an AW show, but maybe that's

783
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,960
to be expected. I suppose he means, you can't compare

784
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,039
the production level of a live w W show with

785
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,079
a live AW show.

786
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 3: And Kay Gabe is a AW guy.

787
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 8: You know, we've had him on Opper shows talking about

788
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,559
actually helping put one of their shows together in Chicago Ones,

789
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,199
he writes, Nya Jacks as an oath I think we

790
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,400
can to get behind that.

791
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she definitely has o Fish qualities.

792
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 8: Dominic will be a star, he reports. Crowd hates him,

793
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,760
but you know what comes from that.

794
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: Yep.

795
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 8: Goldberg was over, but that sucked, and so does he.

796
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,599
Goldberg had a confrontation with Gunter during the Crown Jewel

797
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,880
title presentation. So Goldberg's in for another probably one million

798
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,880
dollar a night for what those I don't know what

799
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,000
they're gonna do. I mean, we're we gonna do fucking

800
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:23,920
Gunter versus the versus Goldberg at Survivor series. Maybe by

801
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,519
the time you hear this it'll be clear. But why

802
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:28,599
as we're recording this, it hasn't happened yet. Gunter is

803
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:31,000
to defend the world title against Sammy z Ain, who

804
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,800
of course beat Gunter and ended his winning streak at

805
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,079
WrestleMania for the IC strap on Raw. So perhaps Sammy

806
00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:37,800
Zein wins the belt and then they do Gunter and

807
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,199
Goldberg one on one in Crown Jewel. I don't think

808
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:41,920
there's any way how can they do Gunter If they're

809
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,199
doing champion versus champion, what's that they can't do Goldberg

810
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,840
versus gun Terry's fits champion versus champion for the SOUD

811
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,800
world suggesting that Gunter may lose the title to Sammy Zein,

812
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,800
And so Sammy Zain goes into Crown Jewel to defend

813
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,639
against Cody Rhods title verse title with the whole you know,

814
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:02,440
tailwind of Sammy being huge and in that Arabic speaking country.

815
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,159
Speaker 3: If they take away ah, if they take Gunter's title away,

816
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:10,199
I mean, listen, I like Sammy Zain, and I think

817
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,320
that there is nobody more deserving of a World Championship

818
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,760
run than Sammy Zin on this current roster based on

819
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,960
the shit that I've seen. But no, no, it's not time,

820
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:22,880
it's getting juicy.

821
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, Gabe also rights no one like Saudi Arabia instant

822
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:32,039
loud booze at the mention women's match, putting crowd to sleep.

823
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,199
And also maybe we get Rocky that'd be okay. And

824
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,719
indeed he ended up getting the rock. And when the

825
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,000
rock returns, that's when things really get fascinating.

826
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: I see just looking changes and yeah, and ideas go

827
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,360
flying out the fucking window.

828
00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 8: Time for fifteen minute social media videos that he goes

829
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,239
into business himself producing walking around the building with his

830
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,800
Versace vest and saying fuck when no one else is

831
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,800
allowed to yep yep. So really really guessed and dialed

832
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,840
in for that. So again all to say best of

833
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,239
luck to Gabe. I'm sure even though the procedure is

834
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,199
upon us, he would still he and his family would

835
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,199
still very much appreciate support on the go fund me.

836
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:12,679
He came that last look within several thousand dollars of

837
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,840
the goal, but really was humbled by the by the

838
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,559
amount of outpouring that he received, in particular from members

839
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,559
of the Solar System. I'm sure many dominated dominated well

840
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:25,079
I'm sure many did dominate, but I'm sure many donated.

841
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:29,199
I should say anonymously, but some I was able to

842
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,000
recognize those names made made my heart proud that we

843
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,119
are what we say we are. Here's the Solar System

844
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,480
and and so yeah, do consider if you haven't been

845
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,159
able to chip in, or might be interested in chipping

846
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:43,920
in some more, Just google a Gabey Oak and yo

847
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cum as his last name, GoFundMe.

848
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Speaker 3: It'll come up. You'll see it all and you'll be.

849
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 8: Able to help. So salute and best wishes. When we

850
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,880
talk about Sid, what do we talk about? We talk

851
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,760
about Viennas right.

852
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,599
Speaker 12: Of course, I'm Vienna Sausages and I send him an

853
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:01,559
autograph picture.

854
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,639
Speaker 8: I'm saving this for when we do the CID like feedback,

855
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:06,880
wrap up, look back show.

856
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 3: But I have reason to believe.

857
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 8: That we that the amount of Solar System members that

858
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,760
have actually sent cans of Vienna sausages to Sid's church

859
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,599
in Memphis.

860
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 3: Is not zero.

861
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,199
Speaker 8: Oh my god, I've seen confirmation of delivery receipts in

862
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:29,079
my inbox. Oh does this not make sense that.

863
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,639
Speaker 12: That is Listen, he sent my church a case of

864
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Vienna sausages and I sent him an autograph picture.

865
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: Case what if? What if? What if? What if the

866
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,280
church sends sends people autograph pictures of Sid. Oh my god,

867
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,960
yeah he left just a box of him, yeah, with

868
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:54,119
a note that's like that's in the present tense, saying

869
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,440
like thanks so much for helping us out. They never

870
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,039
find out he died, yeah, or like they're just like, well,

871
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:00,880
fuck it, we gotta you know, let's just act like

872
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,199
he's not dead. Case of Vienna's.

873
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,039
Speaker 8: We've got a serious case of the vienna's balls deep

874
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:10,079
in Sid's career, and uh, you know what.

875
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: Else has a case of the viennas these days in

876
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,960
the Solar System. Circle Boss, progressingts dot Com, slash laps

877
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Speaker 8: Our pro Wrestling t store. Tell them what is available

879
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880
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Speaker 3: Well, we've got we've got Sids Vicious Viennas shirt with

881
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,159
with the with a with a little a little uh

882
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:40,519
vienna with a face and SIDS here on the vienna.

883
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And then we have the the the Church softball shirt

884
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which the team was sponsored by, Uh Sids Vicious Vienna's.

885
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Speaker 8: I mean, if you want to pay tribute to Sid

886
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in a way that says like I know way more

887
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about Sid than.

888
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Speaker 3: You do, or I know way more about Sid than

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I should.

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is very of the moment. And Boss did not hesitate,

895
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let's put it that way.

896
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Speaker 3: No, it was time, it was right there. It needed

897
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to happen.

898
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 12: My church a case of Bena sausages and I sent

899
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him an autograph picture.

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Speaker 8: We'll send you nothing except the shirt if you order

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903
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And on the other side of the merchandise merch side

904
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of the equation, massive shout outs go to our friends

905
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at Chopped. Chopped and our friend Dicky over there have

906
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been elevating the game, creating premium TLF licensed wear, not

907
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t shirts, but things like hoodies and zip ups and

908
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909
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Speaker 3: Jacket It's uh, yeah, you know what, there would be

910
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some Letterman jackets that.

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920
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921
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wear that thing out absolutely. And on the chop front,

922
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:44,440
we need to send a big shout out to Luke

923
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,199
our Man in Manchester, UK who just sent us some

924
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pictures of him wearing the what was the aces and eights,

925
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:55,599
the mid carters and zeros carters and baseball jersey, got

926
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a laps Van logo on the front. It's got the

927
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mid carters and Zero's logo on the bat too hot

928
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for the teas site, apparently too hot for the teas site.

929
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Speaker 3: And there it is.

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Speaker 8: It's fucking beautiful. He's proudly wearing boss a baseball jersey

931
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with your mid carters and Zero's.

932
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Speaker 3: Logo on it. That's just fucking walking around England. Just

933
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,039
think about it. Oh, it's glorious. It's the way you know,

934
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it's it's it's it's a dream right there. It's a

935
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fucking dream that that shit's happening. It's t l f

936
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Speaker 8: Regarding to It's just wanted to let you know I'm

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941
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942
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journey has been phenomenal to UTC for life. You out

943
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,239
are the cinemat boss gonna swing back around.

944
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yep, yep. Once, uh, you know, once, once

945
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,679
Halloween has uh is in the rearview mirror, mirror, We're

946
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:47,239
going to wrap up our uh, our James Bond journey

947
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,840
in the month of November. It's uh. And again, like

948
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,719
I said, it's it was always intended that there would

949
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,000
be a break. So it actually just coincided beautifully that

950
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:59,639
that it was a scary movie season because you know

951
00:48:59,679 --> 00:49:02,599
what then to me, at least where there's a real

952
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,920
reason for it, you know, there's a real thing to

953
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:06,800
turn to instead of, you know, a few weeks of

954
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,480
random movies to take a break, because again, like I've said,

955
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,119
and those who've seen it know, the Daniel Craig James

956
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:20,800
Bond movies are on a different like it's almost like

957
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,840
a different universe than like it's a parallel universe to

958
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,840
the James Bond. We've been watching.

959
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,119
Speaker 8: Absolutely so much going on yes here at TLFHQ and

960
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,239
celebration of ten years of absolute domination and pillaging. It

961
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,000
continues with the TLFX Games. This is such a great

962
00:49:41,079 --> 00:49:45,840
way to observe the occasion, to observe this special anniversary,

963
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,880
and it's a tournament to determine the greatest character in

964
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,280
the history of the cast. It's the King of the

965
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,599
Cast tournament and keeping with the crown jewel of it all.

966
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:57,039
This year and the election season and the Olympics, it all,

967
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,559
it's all echoed in the t FX Games. And we

968
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:07,760
are down to a titillating quarterfinal, round final four. This

969
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:13,960
is this is now to the point that you really

970
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,239
have to make some decisions. Yes, yes, a long time listen.

971
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,119
Speaker 3: I mean these are all you know, these are some

972
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,599
fucking main event matches here in terms of you know,

973
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,960
not that we haven't had or main event matches to

974
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:29,239
begin with.

975
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 8: Oh, there were some stiff matchups you'd put what Hogan

976
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,559
and Savage in the beginning. People weren't ready to pick

977
00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:33,840
a five.

978
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll say this, you know, I mean Vince McMahon.

979
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:39,159
The laps Vince the whole time he's been in all

980
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,159
main event matches, right, you know, So this is this

981
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,159
one though, this is gonna be This is a tough one.

982
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 8: On the left side of the bracket laps Davy boy

983
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,880
Smith versus laps and Kevin Nash and laps Jesse the

984
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,599
Body Ventura versus lapsed Andre the Giant. On the right

985
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,199
side of the bracket laps Dusty Rhodes versus lapsed Helen

986
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:04,159
Hart and lapsed Vince McMahon versus lapsed Hulk Hogan. The

987
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,239
poetry of it as it develops organically, it really, it

988
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,039
is so true.

989
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 6: It is so true.

990
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,519
Speaker 8: And if all goes according to plan, by the time

991
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:15,440
you hear this, voting rather and the final four round

992
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,320
should have opened over on our X account. That's where

993
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,199
we're holding the polls to turn it over the public

994
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,920
and decide who advances. And what started out as a

995
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,159
thirty two person field.

996
00:51:24,119 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 3: By the time by the time this this this drops,

997
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,039
you know what, we may have We may be on

998
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:31,360
the onder the next round, the semi finals of We

999
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,159
may be both. Yeah, I mean gonna win.

1000
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 8: With so many days open, maybe maybe we'll extend the

1001
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,239
window a little bit so that people that for some

1002
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,480
reason are slacking and or it might not be an

1003
00:51:41,679 --> 00:51:45,239
x and only hear about the TLFX Games tournament through

1004
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,119
the podcast. We'll get a little bit more time to

1005
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:49,480
vote on this, because this is one. Now let's getting

1006
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,039
to the point that I don't blame it. I don't

1007
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:52,920
blame people for taking a little time with their ballots,

1008
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,159
you know what I mean, Maybe a few more days

1009
00:51:56,199 --> 00:52:01,519
makes sense. I mean, yeah, because this is fucking Have

1010
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:02,159
you voted?

1011
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,159
Speaker 3: No, I have not voted. Have you voted? No, I

1012
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:06,239
can't vote. I can't vote.

1013
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 9: No.

1014
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 8: I I'm actually thrilled to hear you say that, because

1015
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,320
as soon as you ask me that, I'm like, oh shit,

1016
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,679
we should have just talked about that.

1017
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:15,159
Speaker 3: No.

1018
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:16,159
Speaker 6: No, I.

1019
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 8: I employees are not eligible for any gifts or contests,

1020
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:22,559
as they have to say on the radio.

1021
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, that's not.

1022
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,079
Speaker 8: We're not putting our thumb on the scale in any way,

1023
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,480
shape or form. And I'll tell you when it comes

1024
00:52:28,519 --> 00:52:30,639
to like laps editor versus Laps Jesse, it can come

1025
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:31,519
down to a few votes.

1026
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,679
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm expecting that with Vince in Hogan. Honestly, Yeah,

1027
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,599
I really am. I. I you know, I'll tell you

1028
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:45,199
what if if if we hadn't, I would actually say

1029
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,719
it would be a shoeing for for lapsed Vince if

1030
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,400
if we hadn't done TNH. I think TNH was a

1031
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,000
huge game changer, fascinating.

1032
00:52:57,039 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 8: Well, we ended up doing as deep a dive in

1033
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,800
a psyche as we did to Vince's through the trial

1034
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,320
of his life.

1035
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly by virtue of that, because.

1036
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 8: The Hulk's TNA run really tells you who the man is,

1037
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:10,960
you know, yes, as opposed too the character is. And

1038
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:13,840
just just amazing times. What a way to ring in

1039
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000
our ten year anniversary. We're so thrilled the way this

1040
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,320
has been playing out and how engaging it's been. In

1041
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,079
a big shout out to our supporters over at Garage Beer,

1042
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:24,920
the TLF approved the top that you can pop this

1043
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:28,760
holiday season. Man, these guys are growing strong and fast.

1044
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,159
We were on board early with the big fucking thumbs up.

1045
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,199
They were on our side for the Philly Live show

1046
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:37,199
at WrestleMania this year, and we couldn't be more thrilled

1047
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,039
that they've deemed the TLFX Games a worthy cause to

1048
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,360
assign a little bit of that brand equity to. So

1049
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,440
deep appreciation to our friends at Garage Beer for helping

1050
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,599
bring you the King of the Cast tournament, and we

1051
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,639
mentioned a live show. We reference this already on the

1052
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:55,480
live call for Bad Blood for those of you who

1053
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:58,920
didn't hear every match there. We've made a decision we

1054
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,760
will not be doing a live sho in Las Vegas

1055
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,840
in conjunction with WrestleMania next year. Vegas is just not

1056
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,559
going to make sense, especially on Easter Sunday. I mean,

1057
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:08,519
that's what they get. Honestly, that's what they get for

1058
00:54:08,639 --> 00:54:12,320
not doing Mini when everybody knows Minneapolis was due. Vegas

1059
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,840
is boring. Vegas is It's not boring. I mean, it's

1060
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,559
just too It's too exciting, you know what I mean, right,

1061
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:21,360
I mean to take over the town, like the fun

1062
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,000
of it is.

1063
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 3: I think the the fun of it is is bringing

1064
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,840
it to a place where it really transforms. It's kind

1065
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,880
of adds something.

1066
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,760
Speaker 8: Of any area. We've been in Vegas so many time,

1067
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:36,480
I know.

1068
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: And even LA, it's like, you know, it's bringing it

1069
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,239
to a new area of LA because LA is so

1070
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,559
fucking big. Like when they did LA, it was like,

1071
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,800
you know, it's in the brand new space, you know,

1072
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,199
the whatever Sofi.

1073
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,679
Speaker 8: This is a leading stadium. I've never come close to it.

1074
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,039
It's it's just as new as so Fine.

1075
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 3: It's a different part of town. But but again it's Vegas.

1076
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,519
It's like it's not so that's not going to turn sisely,

1077
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,440
it's not going to actually make a dent in Las Vegas.

1078
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:01,880
Las Vegas. You know, it's like you can't you know,

1079
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,239
Vegas is going to over it's like overpowering as it is.

1080
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:06,000
You know, I don't.

1081
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:08,519
Speaker 8: And it's not just it doesn't happen to be terribly

1082
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:11,199
convenient to where our sense of where we're strongest is

1083
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,519
where most fans are concentrated, you know. Right, we were

1084
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,280
able to get a bunch of fly ins to LA

1085
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,920
and have a great turnout for our first Wrestlmingia live show,

1086
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:21,280
and we've got a great turnout in Philly because we're

1087
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,639
so strong on the East coast so what we're going

1088
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,760
to do instead of WrestleMania in terms of a live show.

1089
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,639
And we say this early and often because you know

1090
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,679
it might be somewhere deep in the recesses of a

1091
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,280
handful of people's minds that, Okay, if I go to Mania,

1092
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:35,840
like go to the TLF as well, I want people

1093
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,079
to count on that if it's not going to happen.

1094
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:38,679
Speaker 3: And we've done Vegas, we did star.

1095
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 8: Cast two and it was great, but it's there's no

1096
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,840
novelty there for us at all. So well, where we

1097
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,960
are rock solid is is in the most important city

1098
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,800
in the world. This only makes sense, right, Yes, I mean,

1099
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,880
we over index to the highest end of wrestling fandom,

1100
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:57,519
we over index to the highest end of podcasting. And

1101
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,159
so I don't know if Summer Slam's going to come

1102
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:03,280
back to New York next August, why don't why don't

1103
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,079
your CoA chairman set up a live show for anyone

1104
00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:07,239
who's who's headed to MetLife Stadium.

1105
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:09,599
Speaker 3: I mean, and we've you know, we've done it. We've

1106
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:14,119
been there. Uh we have hit up the uh MetLife

1107
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,519
on on on several occasions for for WrestleMania. So it'll

1108
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:21,159
be uh, it'll be nice to actually, you know, do

1109
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:26,599
a live show, uh you know, kind of in well,

1110
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:28,559
I don't know, either New Jersey or New York, whichever

1111
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:28,960
want it ends.

1112
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,519
Speaker 8: We're pretty sure we're going to be in the heart

1113
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,320
of New York. The homie Ray Gooots is in play.

1114
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,480
We're talking about it. We're looking at venues, and we

1115
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,960
feel really confident, based on where he is strong as

1116
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,400
well as where we're strong, that we're going to come

1117
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,159
with a very very serious proposition for every building. But

1118
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:47,159
it'll be in the summertime.

1119
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:47,599
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

1120
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:50,119
Speaker 8: I mean, Jesus Christ, if we do somewher next year,

1121
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:52,760
I mean, yeah, hey, the next summer slam is is

1122
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:54,400
is where we wanted to be Mini.

1123
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 3: That's true, and we can go to we can go

1124
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,519
to Kat's Delhi after the after our live show in

1125
00:56:59,639 --> 00:56:59,960
New York.

1126
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,199
Speaker 8: Oh shit, that was such a smatchhit for the special

1127
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,199
Moat event we did last time around this year for

1128
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:10,039
The Boss and his live play. Yes, yes, indeed, a

1129
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,760
live play, live presentation. And I say that because of

1130
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,960
course all plays are live. But we were in the

1131
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:19,440
immersive theater. Yes, oh the play was especially live.

1132
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,679
Speaker 3: It was indeed, it was very listen you can't get

1133
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,079
much more live than that. Honestly, if Sid had been there,

1134
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,800
I might have gotten shoved with scissors.

1135
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 6: In my gut.

1136
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 8: Had such a terrific time. I thought there were some

1137
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,679
Moat members out there, and there are some ideas in

1138
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:34,679
the works for the tail end for the fourth quarter.

1139
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,440
I guess you could say of twenty twenty four as

1140
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:36,960
well for the Moat.

1141
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:37,159
Speaker 3: Here.

1142
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 8: Nothing's crystallized yet, but Boss is continuing to make big moves,

1143
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,840
as we've referenced several times on the show, and another

1144
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,079
one another big shoe was about to drop, and it

1145
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,199
would only be appropriate if we put something together for

1146
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,880
our nearest and dearest for that as well, So keep

1147
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,800
your ears peeled. This is all to say we're heading

1148
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,559
into the holiday season where we really we don't take

1149
00:57:57,639 --> 00:57:58,480
our foot off the gas.

1150
00:57:58,599 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: We fucking lay on the gas.

1151
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 8: We oh, we attack the gas like Santa attacks, you know,

1152
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:08,960
the cookies that you leave behind. It's gonna get crazy

1153
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,320
with all the Christmas content, and it's all built, of course,

1154
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,920
around the Christmas show. And it's already October. My god,

1155
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:16,559
it's already the second week of October.

1156
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,679
Speaker 3: And I got to you know what, I got to

1157
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:21,559
make a fucking trip to the post office. See what's

1158
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:22,519
doing there? Think you do?

1159
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 8: I think you really do, because folks are heating the

1160
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,679
call to not miss the actual unwrappening event this year,

1161
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,880
as the co chairman get together to record live reactions

1162
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,280
to gifts that you, the members of the TLF Solar

1163
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:38,199
System see fit to send to us. It's a wonderful

1164
00:58:38,199 --> 00:58:40,840
tradition and long may it continue, and of course the

1165
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,840
lifeblood of it is what you guys can come up with.

1166
00:58:43,199 --> 00:58:45,159
Please don't feel like the bar is too high. Everyone

1167
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:47,480
out does themselves every year, and as much as it

1168
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,280
blows us away, like you just have to send one thing,

1169
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,239
like we you know, we love you guys, but we

1170
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,639
don't know twelve things. I mean, it's we don't need

1171
00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:55,960
one thing, okay.

1172
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: Right right, I mean, but it's just it's a globe

1173
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:01,280
glorious thing. Yeah.

1174
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 8: And look, we know when we say this that that

1175
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:05,599
makes you probably even more likely to send too much.

1176
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,840
But it's just well, if there's anybody out there who's like, man,

1177
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,159
some of these presents are ridiculous, Like I don't even

1178
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:11,960
know if I can compete.

1179
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:15,119
Speaker 3: Just trust it. No, no, honestly, because I think I

1180
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:16,920
think one of the funniest ones and one of the

1181
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:20,800
most memorable ones, Like from last year was the uh

1182
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:23,559
the chat GPT shit.

1183
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:28,119
Speaker 8: Yeah, just printed out pages and chat GPT generated scenes

1184
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:28,920
and lapsed.

1185
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:32,119
Speaker 3: Uh. You know circumstances. We love it.

1186
00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:33,719
Speaker 8: We love anything you can come up with. We've got

1187
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:38,039
uh we got the full master list of of of

1188
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,840
tapes that people have. We've gotten like Excel spreadsheets printed

1189
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:45,239
out in the past, We've gotten scripts, We've gotten just

1190
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,199
so many cool things that people have come up with

1191
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,440
over the years. And it's really it's really cool. It's

1192
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,760
one of a kind, and we're gonna keep fucking pounding.

1193
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,320
We're already well positioned. Folks weren't fucking around after last year,

1194
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:57,119
and some gifts came in.

1195
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: Late yeah yeah, yeah.

1196
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,119
Speaker 8: The peelbog is already getting attacked.

1197
01:00:03,159 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 3: And some and some gifts end up uh yeah, like

1198
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,360
getting floating over because from last year, I think too indeed,

1199
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:10,360
which makes some sense.

1200
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,639
Speaker 8: So if you want to make sure you get in

1201
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,440
under the wire, think about it now, think about it

1202
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,480
before it's time to think about gifts for the actual

1203
01:00:16,519 --> 01:00:18,079
people you care about in your family, you know what

1204
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:19,519
I mean, Like, get us out of the way, so

1205
01:00:19,639 --> 01:00:21,639
that when the time comes you can just enjoy the

1206
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,079
show with that extra spark of what are they going

1207
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:24,760
to get to my thing?

1208
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,039
Speaker 3: And how's it going to taste right? How's it going

1209
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:28,360
to agree?

1210
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 8: The PO Box, as always is the Lapsed Fan seven

1211
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:35,360
ten Main Street, South PO Box one one nine Southbury

1212
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,639
s O U T H b U R Y, Connecticut

1213
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:42,320
zero six four eight eight laps Fans seven ten Main Street,

1214
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,719
South PEO Box one one nine Southbury, Connecticut zero six

1215
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,280
four eight eight, And we'll see it at the PO

1216
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,360
Box and we'll see you on the fucking Christmas show Box.

1217
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,239
It feels if it feels right to be talking about this, Oh,

1218
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,239
absolutely it does.

1219
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:55,159
Speaker 3: That is great.

1220
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,679
Speaker 8: It doesn't feel like we're putting any carts before any horses.

1221
01:00:58,920 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.

1222
01:01:00,719 --> 01:01:03,039
Speaker 2: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

1223
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,559
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and carn SEO.

1224
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,599
Speaker 8: MJP SORO And we're so thrilled whenever we get word

1225
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:30,679
from out there in the grid or ether that we're

1226
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,039
inspiring others to create things. This is one of the

1227
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:36,960
things that's been the fuel to the engine for ten

1228
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,280
years here at TLF, and we're here to remind you

1229
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,840
that the pal the Homie, Matt Wassong continues to produce

1230
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:47,519
a really cool TLF inspired podcast. It's not unlike the

1231
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,039
X Games in some ways. It's a tournament sort of

1232
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:53,239
formatted show called Late Night Wrestling, and we're proud to

1233
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,599
give you a quick date. We've talked about Late Night

1234
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:58,280
Wrestling on a prior podcast, and Matt has this update

1235
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,719
for the listenership. So Late Night Wrestling we're talking about

1236
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,039
a fictional podcast covering the volatile, spectacular and violent world

1237
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:08,079
of pro wrestling. It's presented in a radio doc format

1238
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:10,840
like this American Life. You've got a late night radio vibe.

1239
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,119
The host is Hawk Owens, and Hawk Owens looks at

1240
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:16,599
the current major stories in pro wrestling and delves into

1241
01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:18,960
the past for moments in wrestling history you may have missed.

1242
01:02:20,239 --> 01:02:21,719
We want to let you know that Late Night Wrestling

1243
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,519
began the second season of its podcast on September thirtieth

1244
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,320
of this year, and the first big event is another

1245
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,440
show put on by a billionaire. This in the fictional

1246
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:33,000
world of late night Wrestling. Nick van Alfin, Who Were

1247
01:02:33,159 --> 01:02:35,599
Learning is aired to the van Alfin fortune and CEO

1248
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:43,400
of Sword Inventory startup Blade Books is hosting a pro

1249
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:47,639
wrestling show. It's called NVA Jam twenty four NVA as

1250
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:52,760
opposed to Vince's show coming up NDA Jam twenty twenty four. Also,

1251
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,679
he's hosting this event at his massive LA house, We're told,

1252
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:57,960
which is dubbed the Only Here are some characters that

1253
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,880
you'll be seeing this season on Late Night Wrestling.

1254
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,719
Speaker 3: The Analytics Bear formerly the Alaskan Bear. He teamed with God.

1255
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 8: He teamed with the company OWM Analytics and embraced analytics

1256
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,559
in advanced stats, which has led to a lot of success. Oh,

1257
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:17,159
analytics is basically the York Foundation. But in twenty twenty four,

1258
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:19,880
why don't we use computers to generate what the next

1259
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,559
move is going to be?

1260
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: I mean, what agreed? Why don't we? Why don't we

1261
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:24,480
what the next gate is going to be?

1262
01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:26,719
Speaker 8: For that matter, where's the where is the AI enabled

1263
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,559
WWE Superstar? We're still waiting.

1264
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean.

1265
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:34,639
Speaker 8: He lets us know that we gave him the germ

1266
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:36,840
of this idea when we riffed on an episode a

1267
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,360
t n H one. He thinks he recalls about a

1268
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:52,800
wrestler called not big Daddy, but big Data. Yeah, big

1269
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,000
big data. Not to be confused with big tobacco or

1270
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:02,679
big farm, big pharma. Yes, big data, just to be clear,

1271
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:08,800
not spelled dadda yeah tata. Matt wants us to know

1272
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:10,559
that he thinks he already had the idea for the

1273
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:12,840
Alaskan Bear, so he used that idea as a launching

1274
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,079
point for the York Foundation in twenty twenty four. While

1275
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:19,440
you're welcome there, Matt. Another character Same Game Parlay Jones,

1276
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,000
the former Same Day Delivery Jones from season one. Instead

1277
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,159
of Soda. He is the spokes wrestler for Safe Bets,

1278
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:28,559
a new gambling app. He also teams with Home Analytics

1279
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:32,199
to improve Sweet Pie Clementine. This is a very affable,

1280
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,000
decorated hardcore wrestler. She is the two time Queen of

1281
01:04:35,079 --> 01:04:37,840
the Death Match and one time Duchess of the Death Match.

1282
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:39,960
A go to move of hers boss and arn Anderson's

1283
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:44,679
spinebuster on a pile of legos that works for me. Also,

1284
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:48,239
Florida Man is participating in Late night Wrestling this season.

1285
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:50,480
Florida Man is the most dangerous man in Florida, and

1286
01:04:50,519 --> 01:04:54,559
that's saying something fucking Christ does it. Ever, he's friends

1287
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:56,519
with gators and he will do anything to win He's

1288
01:04:56,519 --> 01:05:00,639
also a successful fan boat salesman. How about York lowse

1289
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,679
Real named Paul Lewis. He has never won a wrestling

1290
01:05:03,719 --> 01:05:06,239
match in his life. He lost so much and so

1291
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,360
often that people started calling him pork loose, and he

1292
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,079
just went along with it. However, he's just so upbeat

1293
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,400
and positive. He's always convinced his next match will be

1294
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,800
win number one. His next match it's against Analytics Spear

1295
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,760
at NVA Jam twenty four and of course, a suspiciously

1296
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,440
rejuvenated Hulk Hogan eyes another run on the top.

1297
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 3: Of the Mountain.

1298
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 8: All that and more on season two of Late Night Wrestling.

1299
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: Check this out.

1300
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,719
Speaker 8: He's really he puts a lot of work into it.

1301
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,199
There's a lot of craftsmanship on it, and it's really cool.

1302
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:32,719
Speaker 3: That's hilarious.

1303
01:05:32,719 --> 01:05:34,159
Speaker 8: I love it, and that we had something to do

1304
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,519
with it is definitely definitely a good feeling to have

1305
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,199
as we look back on what ten years of relentless

1306
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:47,199
LAPPS fan podcasting has meant and produced and caused let's say,

1307
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:53,239
incubated catalyzed. So it's nineteen ninety two and sid is

1308
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:58,960
coming back to World Championship Wrestling. Bill Watts has mentioned

1309
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,119
got of played a part in the deal. He writes

1310
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,119
in his book, One guy with a bad rap whom

1311
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,519
I got along with famously was Sid Udy, who wrestled

1312
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:08,280
his Sid vicious and psycho Sid. I wonder why a

1313
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:11,440
maniaclyte Bill Watts would have got along with Sid.

1314
01:06:11,519 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 3: I don't know who knows, who couldn't possibly imagine.

1315
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 8: Everyone told me. Wats writes what a problem Sid was,

1316
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,639
But I don't know that I ever had anyone try

1317
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:21,679
harder for me than he did. He would soak up

1318
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:23,519
like a sponge everything I told him, and he tried

1319
01:06:23,559 --> 01:06:25,719
his heart out. Sid had never just been taught a

1320
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,719
lot of the basics of pro wrestling. He'd gotten huge

1321
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,239
pushes because he was such an awesome physical specimen, but

1322
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:32,199
no one had taken the time with him. I think

1323
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,199
Sid's problem with a lot of people was not ego,

1324
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:36,760
but trust. He'd been burned in the business, I believe,

1325
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,760
so when he saw that I was shooting straight with him,

1326
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:40,679
he trusted me. And that doesn't mean Sid and I

1327
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:47,239
always agreed on everything. That's an insight into Sid's psyche.

1328
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,840
Apparently he likes being having the whip cracked on him.

1329
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 3: Boss. Okay, all right, all right?

1330
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 8: He is talking about the dynamic on a shoot interview.

1331
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 15: I love working under Oleandis or Bill Watts. What guys

1332
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,000
like kind of statives, you know when they call me

1333
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:04,880
dun motherfucker and this and that I don't.

1334
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 7: Take it to heart.

1335
01:07:08,679 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 3: Let's have that last part again.

1336
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 15: I love working under Oleanders or Bill Watts or guys

1337
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,440
like that storatives, you know when they call me don

1338
01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:19,559
mother this and that. I don't take it to heart.

1339
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,079
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm feel kind of you know, I

1340
01:07:25,199 --> 01:07:30,800
I hear authoritative, so that that to me right, there.

1341
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:33,239
Speaker 8: Is a problem missing a tea in there. Yeah, and

1342
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,039
that's one thing said was never low on te.

1343
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 3: T ball.

1344
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 7: Uh.

1345
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:42,599
Speaker 8: That from the In Your Head Wrestling podcast, which Sid

1346
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:46,119
made many appearances on in his retirement years, and which

1347
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:49,199
we'll be accepting. Big shout out to our video and

1348
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,519
In your Head and Hannibal and all these guys that

1349
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,920
got sit on the record over the years, because it

1350
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,320
gives us a real sense into how the guy actually

1351
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:59,639
felt about his career instead of just watching it back.

1352
01:07:59,679 --> 01:08:02,239
We can yeah, get an idea of the signposts hour

1353
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:04,400
along the way, Sid the booker, I mean I can't

1354
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,000
conceive of it.

1355
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,039
Speaker 3: I can't. But this guy really wanted to book.

1356
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:13,079
Speaker 8: I don't why, you know, It's like it's almost, to me,

1357
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,559
like the syndrome of a guy who knows he's way overpaid,

1358
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:17,960
so he's got to come up with like this idea

1359
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,560
of himself as someone who's actually a visionary and justifies

1360
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,560
the money, you know, someone who could be much more

1361
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,199
of a utility man than just an entering performer and

1362
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,319
a shoot interview, Sid said, you know, Bill Wats is

1363
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:31,960
the one who offered me a position in the company

1364
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:35,039
to work as a booker. First coming to interview for

1365
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:38,159
his job back, Watts told Sid. According to Sid, I'll

1366
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,439
tell you what man, I like you. He said, would

1367
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,159
you like to work in the office with me? I said,

1368
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:43,840
that's what I want. He was the first one who

1369
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,880
brought me in. The next two weeks, Sid comes in

1370
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:49,640
to finish his deal and always in charge, and Bill

1371
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,319
Watts is gone. So I don't know what Bill is

1372
01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:54,000
talking about in his book when he says that, you know,

1373
01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:55,800
Sid was the easiest guy to work with and to

1374
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,680
get the most out of, and who worked hardest for him,

1375
01:08:57,680 --> 01:08:59,600
because he was fucking gone by the time Sid got

1376
01:08:59,600 --> 01:08:59,920
in the ring.

1377
01:09:00,119 --> 01:09:03,520
Speaker 3: WCW. I don't understand this, well, you know, uh.

1378
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:06,199
Speaker 10: He was.

1379
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:09,239
Speaker 8: Bill was in WWF in late ninety five when SID

1380
01:09:09,399 --> 01:09:11,359
was back and working with Diesel. So maybe that's what

1381
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:13,359
he's talking about. He wasn't there, It's just Sid was

1382
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:18,600
gone by then too. October ninety five, No, I guess

1383
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,479
he was. He was still there in October. That's around

1384
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,680
the fall of ninety five is when Bill comes into WWF.

1385
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:29,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I yeah, he's there. He's but after hisarversories

1386
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,600
he's going. And it's before SID and before the it's

1387
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,039
after the deal Diesel stuff.

1388
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 8: Plenty of time to develop a sense of the man's

1389
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:38,359
work ethic if you ask me, yeah, I suppose one

1390
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,199
way or the other. He did make a a well

1391
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,680
noted stop between WWF and WCW.

1392
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:44,199
Speaker 3: Did Sid.

1393
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 8: He worked one Global Show Boss if you can believe

1394
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,359
there really Global as ESPN Global Wrestling at the sport

1395
01:09:51,399 --> 01:09:52,560
of Tournum in Dallas.

1396
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:55,399
Speaker 3: Against Rod Price. No, not quite.

1397
01:09:56,319 --> 01:09:59,399
Speaker 8: He went on April second of nineteen ninety three to

1398
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,079
the Sport of to team with Johnny Rotten, who, apparently,

1399
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,000
according to book Others, was just some friend of his

1400
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,520
who wanted to be in the wrestling business, and so

1401
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,039
Sid brought him around and let him wrestle. That team

1402
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:15,239
faced a team by the name of the Ebony Experience,

1403
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,439
Booker T and Stevie Ray. Wow, these are the future

1404
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,640
Harlem Heat before they were in WCW and became Harlem

1405
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,960
Heat on ESPN for Global but still very much upstarts,

1406
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,600
still very much trying to find their way and their

1407
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,880
niche in the wrestling business. And this was a very

1408
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,119
important meeting. Do you remember from Wargames nineteen ninety three

1409
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:36,279
when we did out of war Games and Sid was

1410
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:38,319
the one who brought Harlem Heat into WCW.

1411
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:41,399
Speaker 3: I don't recall that, but wow, that's fascinating.

1412
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,199
Speaker 8: Booker was very forlorn upon learning of the passing of

1413
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:49,479
Sid because those two, him and his brother owe everything

1414
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:53,600
to Sid in terms of finding them a spot in

1415
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,640
the big money company WCW, big money relative to what

1416
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:58,960
other options they may have had before them at the time,

1417
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:02,000
and getting them much bigger contracts than they had any

1418
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:04,960
right to expect or even to ask for, and further

1419
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,880
continuing to support and advocate for the Harlem Heat to

1420
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,479
stay on pay roll when the initial idea for their

1421
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,239
characters engineered in large part by Sid himself hit the

1422
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:16,399
skids very quickly for reasons we'll talk about. Do you

1423
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,680
have any recollection of what that initial idea was for

1424
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,159
Booker and Stevie and WCW.

1425
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 3: What the initial gimmick was something. There's something there, but

1426
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:25,800
I can't remember what it one.

1427
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,039
Speaker 8: Should they come out with chains around their neck being

1428
01:11:28,119 --> 01:11:29,279
dragged around by Colonel Parker?

1429
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 3: Should they do that?

1430
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 8: No, we'll get into what what Sid thought and what

1431
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:42,119
I think the average person thought about what that presentation signified.

1432
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,319
But the way Sid remembers this and it could it

1433
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:47,840
could be true when you consider the timeline that this

1434
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:51,880
Sportatorium show was a Kerrie van Eric benefit show. Kerry,

1435
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:52,960
of course had killed himself.

1436
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 3: What was it.

1437
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,199
Speaker 8: February I think of nineteen ninety three, Yeah, so here

1438
01:11:58,239 --> 01:12:01,199
in April in the sport of time, they're running a

1439
01:12:01,239 --> 01:12:04,399
global show and Sid and Shoot Interviews has talked about

1440
01:12:04,399 --> 01:12:05,840
this event to something he did because it was a

1441
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,800
Kerry von Eric tribute show and the Harlem Heat had

1442
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,239
been in the territory for a year and a half

1443
01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:14,319
at this point, and Booker says that Sid had seen

1444
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:17,359
them already on ESPN Wrestling before he came to the

1445
01:12:17,359 --> 01:12:20,439
Sportatorium in the Flesh and told them that he was

1446
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,079
impressed with their work. So we're going to turn now

1447
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:25,880
to Booker T's second book, his underrated second book. If

1448
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,960
he asks me, he gets very little attention. It's called

1449
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:32,640
My Rise to Wrestling Royalty, and he recollects what it

1450
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,520
was like to be feed hit by the Great Sid

1451
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:43,640
here right before Sid returns to WCW. It all started

1452
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,960
in eighty nine. For about four years, Lash and I

1453
01:12:46,079 --> 01:12:48,680
had been tiresly running the shows at the Roads rather

1454
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,319
all across Texas, working for ww Fedteran Polish Power, Ivan

1455
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:54,840
Putsky's Western Wrestling Alliance, the WWA tug Boat Taylor's Texas

1456
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,199
All Pro Wrestling, the independent scene, and then finally the

1457
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:00,600
Global Wrestling Federation featured on ESPN. All that changed with

1458
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,399
one phone.

1459
01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 3: Call from.

1460
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:07,119
Speaker 8: Sid Vicious, the Ruler of the World, who offered us

1461
01:13:07,119 --> 01:13:09,239
an opportunity. He wanted us to go to Atlanta to

1462
01:13:09,319 --> 01:13:11,880
try out for WCW. As the trek from Texas to

1463
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,119
Georgia drew to a close, the sun was rising and

1464
01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:16,880
the Huffman brothers that's Booker and Stevie's real last name,

1465
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:18,960
could feel the magic at hand. It was a make

1466
01:13:19,039 --> 01:13:21,399
or break time. After hitting the Georgia state line, we

1467
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,479
were neck deep in WCW country and it felt like home.

1468
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,239
During our brief conversation with Sid, there'd been no talk

1469
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:29,039
about money. We had a foot in the door and

1470
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,359
that was all the chance we needed. I kept analyzing

1471
01:13:31,399 --> 01:13:33,760
everything on the way. Will we impress them enough? Will

1472
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,680
they let us stick around or take one look at

1473
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:37,119
us in the ring and tell us to get out?

1474
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,279
I was ready to find out. When we drove to Atlanta,

1475
01:13:40,319 --> 01:13:42,159
it was comforting to know we had somewhere to stay.

1476
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,159
Guess where they stayed, boss.

1477
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 3: Um uh with Cody Rhades.

1478
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:59,039
Speaker 8: Correct? No, Sid's house, Oh God, Sid's plays. Sid was

1479
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:01,000
a well established made venor Booker writes who had a

1480
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,640
huge run in WCW from nineteen eighty nine through nineteen

1481
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,119
ninety one, rubbing shoulders with some of the biggest stars

1482
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,600
and then WWF with guys like Hull and Warrior and

1483
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,880
Randy and Taker. Now he was transitioning into a position

1484
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:13,880
with WCW is a booker who could produce homegrown talent.

1485
01:14:14,359 --> 01:14:17,720
So this these guys, Booker and Stevie were beneficiaries of

1486
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:22,159
this Sid as office incarnation.

1487
01:14:22,319 --> 01:14:25,359
Speaker 3: That we're getting. I can't handle that. I can't. I

1488
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,039
can't imagine. You've met him in the.

1489
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:29,039
Speaker 8: Polo, you know, on the golf course with the other

1490
01:14:29,119 --> 01:14:32,479
turner execs. Hey, what do you saying, big Sid?

1491
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,319
Speaker 3: How's your U? I picture I picture him, you know, right,

1492
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:39,279
he's wearing you know, he's wearing clothes that he thinks

1493
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,439
are what he should wear. You know, Yeah, like how

1494
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,359
he's wearing the gondols on the beach blast thing. He

1495
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:47,800
goes to turner offices and everyone's like in suits and

1496
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,119
stuff like that. But yeah, he comes in in like

1497
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:54,760
a white polo shirt, wearing tucked into jeans and wearing

1498
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,760
like a beige blazer. Oh you know, and he thinks

1499
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,520
that in a in a baseball hat and he thinks

1500
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,039
this is dressing up for work.

1501
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:09,399
Speaker 8: Oh my god, said my god, look at the size

1502
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:09,760
of this guy.

1503
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 3: I've heard you're here.

1504
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 8: Uh so you're working for the office now, and the

1505
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,119
office I strive. You've been consistent with your driver today,

1506
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:20,439
said what are you hitting a three wood?

1507
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:24,039
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm looking to tell you what I'm hitting.

1508
01:15:25,119 --> 01:15:26,720
I hit what I need to hit to get the

1509
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:36,159
job done. Well, I don't really know what to say

1510
01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:37,760
to that you're you're.

1511
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 8: A unique creature in this corporate environment. I can't wait

1512
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,319
to see you thrive in it. I'm sure you'll bring

1513
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:44,680
a fascinating touch of personality.

1514
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 3: I'm a big.

1515
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 6: Oh.

1516
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 8: If we have our way to turn home entertainment said,

1517
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,039
you'll be just that. I heard you were offered super shudder,

1518
01:15:58,079 --> 01:15:59,840
but it went to some other moron.

1519
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:02,520
Speaker 3: Shut up, now you look.

1520
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 8: Every one of the chorus turns around, like even the

1521
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,920
next hole. It's like looking back, like, who the fuck

1522
01:16:07,039 --> 01:16:07,199
is that?

1523
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,079
Speaker 3: Now? You looking in my eyes? A piece of trash.

1524
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:15,079
What I will do next if you keep flapping your

1525
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:18,640
gums and chat me you black we're friends, is I

1526
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,960
will grab you by the throat. I will lift you

1527
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:25,960
in the air, and I will drive you down to

1528
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:28,720
the ground. See see it, don't don't sweat it. Man.

1529
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,840
You know we've all got that one hole that just

1530
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:36,640
doesn't want to cooperate. You don't even know what it

1531
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:43,399
means to feel the pain of a hole. Just ask arn.

1532
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 8: I don't know, Sida. I'm thinking of seven iron should

1533
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:50,520
get me right to the green?

1534
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,520
Speaker 3: When's picking up a bit? Though? What do you think?

1535
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:56,560
You don't even know what green is? I was making

1536
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,760
the green when I'm made off any wrestle.

1537
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 8: So it's a hulk cob and so a six iron

1538
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,199
just to play it safe, is what you're saying.

1539
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 3: I suppose six iron would do all right. Make sure

1540
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,840
there's a breeze in the air. It slashes to the left.

1541
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:17,600
That's looking good.

1542
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,560
Speaker 8: Trust me, I know that feeling. You know you got

1543
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,479
one part of your game that's hot, Sid, another part

1544
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,039
is cold. Just have to keep your head down and

1545
01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:28,520
play through it.

1546
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 3: You always keep your head down. That's why you'll never

1547
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:39,359
get ahead in the game. I'll be watching you. I'll

1548
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:43,039
be watching you while you sleep. It'll be clicking my

1549
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:49,520
knife the whole damn time. Uh sounds sounds good? Sid? Uh?

1550
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,279
Speaker 8: I hope I hope to be open and grabbing a

1551
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:55,279
beer after this. I mean, let's finish strong here and

1552
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,760
and get a bruskie. What do you say, let's catch

1553
01:17:58,840 --> 01:17:59,960
that back nine on the televisi.

1554
01:18:00,399 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 3: I don't mind getting here with you if you don't

1555
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:08,279
mind sharing a can of Viennas. You mean you mean

1556
01:18:08,319 --> 01:18:08,960
the sausages?

1557
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 14: What what are you?

1558
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,199
Speaker 3: I got a package of crackers right here. You know

1559
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:14,319
exactly what I mean.

1560
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,039
Speaker 8: Hey, let me ask you something you're you're in the

1561
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:21,920
fin ends department, right, Yeah, yeah, indeed, Vince, I'm Vince.

1562
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,359
I'll tell you a lot what I've been watching lately.

1563
01:18:27,079 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it.

1564
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I've been the controller for some time,

1565
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,279
and you know, trying to try to find ways to

1566
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,039
assigned to other units of turner your losses and assign

1567
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,560
the wins to you guys, contray.

1568
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:46,239
Speaker 3: To popular belief? How can I get more money? What's

1569
01:18:46,319 --> 01:18:53,880
your budget for Vienna's? Let me ask you something. Do

1570
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:54,800
you like Viennas?

1571
01:18:56,199 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 6: Are you?

1572
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,079
Speaker 3: I want to just want to be clear. You're talking

1573
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:00,119
about the Vienna sausages. You getting like a can or

1574
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:04,840
whatever from you know exactly what I'm saying.

1575
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:14,159
Speaker 8: On the golf course. Shut up, Shut up the psycho

1576
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:18,439
Sid story. Yeah I like Vienna sausages. Yeah sure, I mean,

1577
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,279
god damn you like them. I like them so much

1578
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:22,680
that I could buy a case of them right now.

1579
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 3: Would you buy one hundred and fifty thousand cases?

1580
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,520
Speaker 8: I would buy fifty thousand cases. Yes, I would donate

1581
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,000
them to the church. Oh yeah, my church. If you

1582
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:37,319
do that, I'll give you a sign picture of myself.

1583
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,720
If only Sid could say, if you do that, I'll

1584
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,960
give you a signed picture of myself and make it

1585
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:50,760
sound like a threat.

1586
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,239
Speaker 3: So what's the problem with corporate?

1587
01:19:57,279 --> 01:19:58,119
Speaker 6: What a deal?

1588
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,039
Speaker 3: I buy one hundred and fifty? I was in fucking

1589
01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:04,439
cases of headshot.

1590
01:20:07,239 --> 01:20:14,159
Speaker 8: I still I still walk around picturing that garage door

1591
01:20:14,199 --> 01:20:16,720
opening at three thirty in the morning and Memphis, Arkansas

1592
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:24,319
to But there's all these undistributed boxes.

1593
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,039
Speaker 3: Like neat like, so perfectly stacked, and he's.

1594
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 8: Looking down and them like he knows what he has

1595
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,079
to do, and Frank is not gonna like it in

1596
01:20:32,119 --> 01:20:32,520
the least.

1597
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 3: Bitch.

1598
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,399
Speaker 8: I still I still think about it. I still think

1599
01:20:39,399 --> 01:20:42,680
about him whispering bedside to deliver the venus. I mean

1600
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,159
I think about it all the time. I mean, I'm

1601
01:20:46,359 --> 01:20:53,720
not kidding you, four times a day minimum, So Booker continues.

1602
01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:57,079
We were his first kids, handpicked projects, and he wanted

1603
01:20:57,119 --> 01:20:59,319
to personally oversee our entry and take care of us

1604
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,159
that all morning. We got out of the car and

1605
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:02,920
walked to an apartment door to be greeted by the

1606
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,840
man himself. The first thing I can tell you about

1607
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,680
Sid back then was that he was big, really big.

1608
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:09,479
Not only was he six feet nine, but he was

1609
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,119
even more freakishly muscular in person than he looked on TV.

1610
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,159
He shook our hands house trip, he must be tired

1611
01:21:16,199 --> 01:21:18,920
as hell, Come on in. He grabbed our bags and

1612
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,159
followed Sid into the kitchen, where it was stacked to

1613
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:25,439
the ceiling with cases of Vienna sasna oh God, which

1614
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,800
was what I always called him back then. Big Sid

1615
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:30,520
into his fairly modest three bedroom apartment where we'd be

1616
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,119
staying for the duration of our tryout process. Although he

1617
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,319
was a gracious host, Sid wasn't the most social of guys.

1618
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,600
For him, this was business. If we were successful, we'd

1619
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,359
follow in his footsteps and he'd do everything he could

1620
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:41,319
to make that happen. Sid took us to Sting in

1621
01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:43,880
Lex Luger's gym main event Fitness, not far from his place.

1622
01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,039
When we walked in, it was a virtual cavalcade of

1623
01:21:46,079 --> 01:21:48,439
the top guys we saw on TV. The Steiner brothers,

1624
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,720
Rick and Scott Steiner, Mister Wonderful, Paul Orndorf, Ravishing, Rick Rude,

1625
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,640
and even the icon Sting and the total package Lex

1626
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,079
Luger were there. Sid walked around as if he owned

1627
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:59,359
the place. I can picture that, yeah for sure, and

1628
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,720
he might as well have been, because when he started

1629
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,720
hitting the weights. Everyone took notice. It was impossible not to.

1630
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:07,079
We soon found out Sid was just as loud and

1631
01:22:07,159 --> 01:22:08,680
intense in the gym as he was in the ring.

1632
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,520
Speaker 3: And on the microphone. What what mombent that bedwn deeke phone?

1633
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:17,319
Speaker 7: What might that for?

1634
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 3: Down deeck song? When he's in the.

1635
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:23,239
Speaker 8: Gym, When he's in the gym, rip an iron, trying

1636
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:25,920
to get a point across to all these idiots, these

1637
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:30,199
undersized bitch asses who can't command high seven figure salaries,

1638
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,720
who yes, whoa cling?

1639
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:40,640
Speaker 3: Don't understand? He said, ah, come here.

1640
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,079
Speaker 2: And prove yes.

1641
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 12: He sent my church in case of being the sausages,

1642
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,000
and I sent him an autograph picture.

1643
01:22:50,119 --> 01:22:53,239
Speaker 3: Keep going, keep pumping on. You want something from me,

1644
01:22:53,880 --> 01:23:01,680
You want to understand the loss you got there? You

1645
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,520
pump you pump iron like nobody's business. And I'll give

1646
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:13,279
you an autograph picture for myself. For he's so generous

1647
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:15,479
with those autograph pictures. It's almost like he has a

1648
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,000
full inventory of ones that he ordered with fake stamped signatures.

1649
01:23:19,119 --> 01:23:20,680
I'm want to tell you, I'm wanna tell your secret.

1650
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,359
I haven't excess to them because Frank didn't deliver them

1651
01:23:28,399 --> 01:23:32,159
the way he's supposed to. He was supposed to bring

1652
01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:37,880
fifty cases of the pictures with autographs to the church,

1653
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:43,560
and he forgot. He slipped in. So now I have

1654
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:49,359
fifty bucks of fucking headshots because Frank's a bitch.

1655
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,199
Speaker 8: And I'm like the Vienna's the homeless don't have any

1656
01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:55,600
use for these headshot. I tried putting peanut butter on

1657
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:56,680
him and they wouldn't take him.

1658
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 3: I made peanut butter and jelly roll ups with the

1659
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:04,479
pick just nobody ate them. I wonder why.

1660
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,279
Speaker 8: Instead of just giving them the peanut butter at the jelly,

1661
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,279
he puts it on a fucking cellophane, he puts it

1662
01:24:12,319 --> 01:24:14,479
on a laminated headshot.

1663
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:18,239
Speaker 3: Thinking you know what, you know, you know how I

1664
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,359
can get rid of these. I can have homeless people

1665
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:25,319
eat them. That's the play. It's a whole. It's like

1666
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:30,439
a whole, fucking like tray of you know, it looks

1667
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:36,760
like enchiladas, but it's sucking shots. It's not but it's

1668
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,880
not enchiladas. It's headshots.

1669
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 8: Talk about heilatas talking about hitting you in the head

1670
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:55,840
like a shot shot head shiladas.

1671
01:24:59,399 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 3: Oh is this Christ?

1672
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:01,039
Speaker 7: Oh?

1673
01:25:01,159 --> 01:25:03,680
Speaker 8: Hey JB, this is Jesse. The body of Bendora, and

1674
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:05,199
I want to thank you for being a fan from

1675
01:25:05,239 --> 01:25:08,239
the wrestling days. You had the question for me, Do

1676
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:12,119
I remember Sid putting peanut butter and jelly on his

1677
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:13,119
eight X tens?

1678
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:16,359
Speaker 3: No? I really don't. I. Hey, you know this is

1679
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:24,239
a Jesse the body governor Ventura hi JP. Oh shit.

1680
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:29,399
He asked me the question, did do I remember Sid Vicious?

1681
01:25:30,119 --> 01:25:32,840
I do remember Sid Vicious? But do I remember him

1682
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,800
putting peanut butter and jelly into his headshots and rolling

1683
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:40,359
them up and giving him to the homeless or you

1684
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:46,039
know something I don't. I don't recall that. I wouldn't

1685
01:25:46,039 --> 01:25:48,159
put it past him to put to be honest about it,

1686
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,680
But you know what I do think?

1687
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:51,039
Speaker 15: Uh?

1688
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 3: I think uh? I think headcheladas are very good.

1689
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:03,119
Speaker 8: I guess this guy Sid has incredible anxiety at the

1690
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:04,520
thought of overstock.

1691
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? It's like because you know,

1692
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:16,279
you know, he spends he spends like all summer long. Okay,

1693
01:26:17,359 --> 01:26:21,479
he spends all summer long, working so hard to make

1694
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:27,840
sure that his garage is empty for the fall and

1695
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,560
winter seasons. All right, Like that is it? And if

1696
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,600
he has overstock, it means it means clutter. In the

1697
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,199
garage and we may and he may not be able

1698
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:43,640
to park both cars, and that is just you know,

1699
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:44,680
it's unacceptable.

1700
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 8: No wonder Frank gets so much heat for the undistributed viennas.

1701
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:49,119
I mean, we're talking like square footage here that.

1702
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:50,319
Speaker 3: Used to be exactly.

1703
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 8: I paid top dollar for this square footage. And because

1704
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,479
of your lazy ass, your big brothers film and lazy ass,

1705
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,239
I can't I can't park the escalade.

1706
01:27:03,279 --> 01:27:06,399
Speaker 3: Frank, how do you think I'm supposed to bark the

1707
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:08,880
accord in this garage? Frank?

1708
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 8: Let me, Frank, Frank, vienna is in there. Frank, before

1709
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,239
you say another word, I need you to recite to

1710
01:27:14,319 --> 01:27:17,439
me the full menu of what's of what's available at

1711
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:18,279
the pop top at the church.

1712
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 3: Go ahead, what do we have? I know we got viennas,

1713
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,399
but what else do we have?

1714
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:23,239
Speaker 16: Say it?

1715
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: Do we have package crackers?

1716
01:27:25,359 --> 01:27:25,600
Speaker 6: Frank?

1717
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:30,079
Speaker 3: Do we have crackers? Frank? Do we have peanut butter

1718
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:36,600
and jelly? Ahead? You lott us, Well, you know we don't.

1719
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,159
I'll tell you, Sean. You know, we don't do it big.

1720
01:27:39,319 --> 01:27:41,000
We don't go over the top. All we get is

1721
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:45,439
a canavyan of sausages, package crackers, ball water, a moon

1722
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,199
pile or a little Debby cake and peanut butter and

1723
01:27:48,279 --> 01:27:50,159
jelly smothering in one of my pie tens. And it's

1724
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:58,600
really he tries to tries to sneaking in there and

1725
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,479
move on, like he has no choice but to disclose it,

1726
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,880
like like why is he even telling this whole thing? Like,

1727
01:28:06,279 --> 01:28:08,520
you know, the whole thing. No one would know, no

1728
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,239
one needs to know, you know, but he feels the

1729
01:28:11,359 --> 01:28:14,960
need to disclose this information. I can smell it already.

1730
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:15,880
Do you know what that is? Boss?

1731
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,800
Speaker 8: You know what I can smell? What a package arriving

1732
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,479
at the bo box? It smells like peanut butter.

1733
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:26,039
Speaker 3: Oh my god, fucking a headshot. Oh yeah, fuck, it's

1734
01:28:26,079 --> 01:28:29,279
a it's a publicity. Still a fucking of sid with

1735
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:31,000
peanut butter and jelly.

1736
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying. Lash and I book a right.

1737
01:28:36,039 --> 01:28:38,279
Were in awe as he introduced us to everybody we passed.

1738
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,199
As we got our workout in. I saw guys like

1739
01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:42,680
Big Papa Pump, Scott Scott Steiner doing three hundred and

1740
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,640
fifteen pounds behind the neck presses. Lord Stephen Wriegel later

1741
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,560
began William Regalan and the Wwe stared at me. Brigel

1742
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:51,239
was a talented wrestler who began his career at the

1743
01:28:51,279 --> 01:28:53,399
age of fifteen, and he was clearly aware we were

1744
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:56,960
Sid's boys and his eyes, we were probably being expressed,

1745
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,840
driven into one of the coveted WCW spots. Maybe his

1746
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:03,560
is ooh nice hmm. There was no mistaking it. I

1747
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,199
was no longer in the bush league. These boys were

1748
01:29:06,199 --> 01:29:08,439
from the big stage. I'd always dreamed of walking on too.

1749
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:10,760
I hoped I could earn their respect and a place

1750
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,960
among them in the ring. Now that Lash and I

1751
01:29:13,159 --> 01:29:14,920
had a place to stay in a gym to work

1752
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,079
out in, we needed not only one more We only

1753
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:20,319
needed one more thing. Our first contracts and creative direction.

1754
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:22,760
The show was about to begin, but not before a

1755
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,239
lesson in professional wrestling contract negotiations. Sid drove us to

1756
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:29,359
the W'W headquarters. That's something that's something to envision. YEP

1757
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:32,520
stationed to Ted Turner, Seene and Center in Meridiath Street

1758
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,439
in the heart of Atlanta. Sid, Lash and I were

1759
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,840
escorted into an office where we met Olie Anderson, the

1760
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,520
original rock of professional wrestling and part of the legendary

1761
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,319
Minnesota Wrecking Crew. With Gen Anderson and then later Arn Anderson,

1762
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:43,239
Oh my god.

1763
01:29:43,159 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 3: I can't.

1764
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 8: I cannot stand it when they have to fucking feel

1765
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,800
the need to explain shit and talk and explain people

1766
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:52,159
the full rundown. That's to show that they're students of

1767
01:29:52,199 --> 01:29:55,720
the game. Oldi was retired and basically in charge of

1768
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,960
the entire company after cowboy Bill Watts had been ousted

1769
01:29:58,039 --> 01:30:00,560
from the position. Oldi had a solid crusher handshake and

1770
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:02,680
got right down to business as Sid oversaw the process

1771
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:07,560
from the corner. Sid stands in the corner, of course,

1772
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,039
she does Harlem heat sit across the desk from Oly Anderson.

1773
01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:13,000
Ye boys, be gruffed. We're going to start yeaut with

1774
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:15,960
a three year contracts at seventy thousand dollars, with the

1775
01:30:16,039 --> 01:30:18,560
incentive to make as much as you can draw. Sky's

1776
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,039
the limit. If you do well, you'll climb the ladder.

1777
01:30:21,159 --> 01:30:23,000
If you don't, you're going back to Texas the same

1778
01:30:23,039 --> 01:30:25,960
way you got yourselves here. That's a fucking ollie line.

1779
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:28,680
Last night I looked at each other. Seventy grand was

1780
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,119
more than both of us had seen combined till that day.

1781
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,439
We were used to ten dollars nights. The moment was

1782
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,159
frozen in time. Now we were sitting in an office

1783
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:39,760
with Sid and only Anderson, signing our first contracts to

1784
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,600
work with the major international company. Was this really happening

1785
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,600
in the same room where many of the greats Harley Race,

1786
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,079
the Brigantream, Dusty Roads, and the h Borwick Flair got

1787
01:30:47,119 --> 01:30:48,800
their start. No, it wasn't, Booker. I don't know what

1788
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,239
you're talking about. And they didn't have their start in

1789
01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:51,840
this office.

1790
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,199
Speaker 3: What do you mean the place the same room?

1791
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 7: What?

1792
01:30:57,359 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 8: When we left Olie's office, Sid clarified the contractor.

1793
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 3: I'm sure he did.

1794
01:31:02,199 --> 01:31:05,640
Speaker 8: You'll always check everything up front, guys. You'll get monthly raises,

1795
01:31:05,680 --> 01:31:07,720
and before you know it, you'll be making ninety thousand,

1796
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:10,640
then one hundred thousand a year. It's all trial and error.

1797
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,640
As you'll see, you'll get paid what you're worth. Big

1798
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,840
Sid was a brilliant mentor you or.

1799
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,319
Speaker 3: You'll get paid what I think you're worth.

1800
01:31:18,840 --> 01:31:21,279
Speaker 8: Guys, I know that only just promised seventy thousand in there.

1801
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,039
But I'm here to tell you this. What's he here

1802
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:25,479
to tell them?

1803
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 3: Boss? I'm here to tell you something about how it

1804
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,479
is to make money. Right now, making money sounds like

1805
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:35,479
it's a good thing. All around. I won't tell you,

1806
01:31:36,359 --> 01:31:37,760
and I want you to look to me dead in

1807
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:43,319
the eye. I want you to understand that you are

1808
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,600
not just worth what you get paid. You're worth it.

1809
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:50,119
Speaker 8: That is such a sad thing to say. I'm sitting

1810
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:52,840
here scratching my head because he would say things like that,

1811
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:55,039
you are not just worth what you're getting paid.

1812
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 3: You're worth what you are up here in your head,

1813
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:08,239
been in your heart. So if you desire things, make

1814
01:32:08,279 --> 01:32:11,319
sure you're worth it up here and down here.

1815
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:18,039
Speaker 8: If okay, hold on, if you desire things, make sure

1816
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:23,439
you're worth it up here and down here. That sounds

1817
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,039
like the kind of thing he would say on Nitro

1818
01:32:25,239 --> 01:32:29,199
and then blame Vince Russo for scripting, even though no

1819
01:32:29,279 --> 01:32:32,479
one could script that absurdity. But he would say, and

1820
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,800
it would make sense to him, absolutely it would. He

1821
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:37,960
knew exactly what he wanted and how to obtain it.

1822
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,960
Booker says of Sid he was a huge draw in

1823
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:43,039
the ring, which was the way to gain an audience backstage.

1824
01:32:44,319 --> 01:32:46,039
Speaker 3: No, he wasn't, He really wasn't. I mean, how many

1825
01:32:46,079 --> 01:32:47,760
times you have to go over this. I don't understand,

1826
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,920
and people are weird when when it turns in terms

1827
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:51,600
of like what they think of a draw.

1828
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,319
Speaker 8: He's in ww and no one's showing up. When he

1829
01:32:54,399 --> 01:32:57,600
was in WCW before the Hogan program, in WWF, no

1830
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,800
one was showing up. I mean, what show were you

1831
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:01,199
talking talking about? WrestleMania eight?

1832
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 3: But no, what's the huge draw?

1833
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:06,199
Speaker 8: And rest mean, it was a big show. But what

1834
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:09,119
are you pointing to empirically that says Sid put more

1835
01:33:09,119 --> 01:33:10,680
people in the seats than would have been there if

1836
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:14,000
he wasn't there. Namely one show up to this point

1837
01:33:14,039 --> 01:33:16,279
in his career that you can say that about. I mean,

1838
01:33:16,319 --> 01:33:17,760
do you really think the who you're done would have

1839
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,720
ten thousand less people if Sid wasn't in the main event?

1840
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,039
Not at all, and Rick Flair was or somebody else.

1841
01:33:22,079 --> 01:33:24,399
Give me a break. I'm not trying to take anything

1842
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:26,079
away from the guy. He really rose to the occasion

1843
01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:27,960
and he fit, did he? When he walked out there

1844
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,640
in Indianapolis, as we talked about, he he looked the

1845
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,560
part he belonged there. Yeah, not questioning that, but the

1846
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:37,039
fact that like people who like him have to pretend

1847
01:33:37,079 --> 01:33:40,600
he was also a draw in addition to making ridiculous

1848
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,439
amounts of money. It's kind of foolish. It's like, no,

1849
01:33:43,119 --> 01:33:45,880
you call Sid when you're fucking tough shape. That's the

1850
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,960
story of his career. He shows up when you're fucked

1851
01:33:49,319 --> 01:33:55,079
from you know, the rudderless Jim Herd WCW to a

1852
01:33:55,239 --> 01:33:58,439
WWF that's about to lose Hulk Hogan and is just

1853
01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,279
watching all the returns dissipate that they used to rely

1854
01:34:01,399 --> 01:34:03,319
on Hogan as a cash cow to generate and a

1855
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:08,000
failed Ultimate Warrior experiment. He comes in to WCW again

1856
01:34:08,039 --> 01:34:10,960
when they're absolutely on their ass with no leadership, an

1857
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,239
absolute vacuum of leadership. The lowest attendants and lowest pay

1858
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:16,119
per view buys they ever did was in nineteen ninety three.

1859
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:18,680
Anyone will tell you that. And then he comes back

1860
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:21,279
to WWF when they're fucking on their ass post steroid

1861
01:34:21,399 --> 01:34:24,399
trial with not a pot to piss in and nitro

1862
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,079
is starting to breathe down their neck a bit and

1863
01:34:27,159 --> 01:34:28,840
they don't know what to do and they have the

1864
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,560
drug test aggressively. So they lost the big bodies and

1865
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:33,520
Sid was like someone they could plug in there that

1866
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:36,079
had a big body. They brought him in in ninety

1867
01:34:36,119 --> 01:34:39,039
six again when nWo was fucking wiping the floor with him,

1868
01:34:39,039 --> 01:34:43,479
and they couldn't do anything to recover as the Holland

1869
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,039
Nash things started to take over and the Hogan Hill

1870
01:34:46,079 --> 01:34:48,399
turn set in. They brought him in a little bit

1871
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:52,760
before that, but WCW is definitely the hot shit at

1872
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,039
the time, not WWF when he came back in ninety six,

1873
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,640
and then he sticks around through the most desperate period

1874
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,119
of WWF ever where they just doing great stuff but

1875
01:35:01,279 --> 01:35:04,199
no one cares. Yep, no one's watching. They're not winning

1876
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:07,079
the ratings war. And then when Sid leaves, they start

1877
01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:11,520
winning right, and he goes w c W when they're

1878
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:16,199
absolutely circling the drain again and they can't find any

1879
01:35:16,279 --> 01:35:18,119
way to make any money. But they signed Sid to

1880
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:20,560
a huge deal anyway, and he rides that thing all

1881
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,600
the way literally into the fucking ground. And the closer

1882
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,239
he gets to the top of the card, the bigger

1883
01:35:25,319 --> 01:35:28,560
the fucking red ink is over there. And not to

1884
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,840
blame him, but it's coincidence. He's certainly certainly not drawing

1885
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,119
in the conventional sense.

1886
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:36,039
Speaker 3: What are we talking about him? Mean, that's just it

1887
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:39,039
like he's always in the in in each company when

1888
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:39,760
they're in the bad.

1889
01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:42,520
Speaker 8: Yes, he's a value you call when you don't know

1890
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:44,680
what else to do, and that's a good spot to have.

1891
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,960
Speaker 2: But a draw that is not It's a lap fan

1892
01:35:48,119 --> 01:36:09,680
wrestling podcast. He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack.

1893
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:14,039
Speaker 8: And he's always he's always Sids, always in the position

1894
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:15,479
to be like, imagine how much worse it would be

1895
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,800
if I wasn't here, Well, Sid, it probably wouldn't.

1896
01:36:18,039 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be much worse. It'd be about the same.

1897
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,520
I think he's always like, see, this is the thing.

1898
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,560
I feel like he's always He always comes in in

1899
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:30,279
a time where he can make an intriguing matchup for

1900
01:36:30,399 --> 01:36:35,479
somebody else. Nobody's curious about. No one wants to see

1901
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,720
Sid face somebody. They want to see somebody face Sid.

1902
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:39,439
Ain't that the truth?

1903
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:41,600
Speaker 8: When he talks about getting the Hogan spot in WWF,

1904
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:43,920
When he talks about taking the title of Vader at

1905
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,560
Star K ninety three, I sit there and I think

1906
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:49,880
to myself, that would fucking be terrible, Like Sid running

1907
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,640
with the belt like that and pretending to be like

1908
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,199
the cash cow of the whole organization. That wouldn't last

1909
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:58,600
more than two months. Right, That's not Sid's role. No,

1910
01:36:59,159 --> 01:37:02,479
Sid is Sid is the opponent sid is the opponent.

1911
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:06,439
That's where he is intriguing, not as the guy, not

1912
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,800
as the guy, right, you know he is.

1913
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,399
Speaker 6: He is the the the.

1914
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 3: Opponent the guy faces, absolutely right. And yes he will.

1915
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,319
Speaker 8: He will have a charisma and he will draw in

1916
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:20,600
an audience like the people who are already there, like

1917
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:22,960
like few others with just a turn of the head.

1918
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,159
And that's a great credit to him. But him being

1919
01:37:26,279 --> 01:37:27,880
the guy is just not going to work, I mean,

1920
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,399
and that's what's so captive about the time period We're

1921
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:32,319
going to spend the most time detailing later in the

1922
01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:34,640
tribute when he actually beats Michaels for the belt in

1923
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,720
ninety six and has that run where you can kind

1924
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,960
of say he's the top guy, but he's not. I mean,

1925
01:37:39,359 --> 01:37:41,800
you go back and examine the TV between him winning

1926
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,560
at Survivor Series ninety six and then winning it back

1927
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,600
the night after a Final four, and it's like he's

1928
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,560
he's an afterthought even as the champion. For God's sake, Yeah, yeah,

1929
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,760
to Brett and Sean and whatever they've got going on,

1930
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:54,520
and to some extent, Undertaker and Steve Austin. It's just

1931
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:56,840
like the story of his life, even when he's the

1932
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,640
world champion. He's not a draw, you know.

1933
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,199
Speaker 3: I mean he's like he is the epitome of like

1934
01:38:02,279 --> 01:38:03,319
a lame duck champion.

1935
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, Wresselmenia thirteen the fucking most pathetic WrestleMania ever from

1936
01:38:07,399 --> 01:38:10,960
a business standpoint, that's his big fucking claim. Yet he's

1937
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,199
a draw because he headlined con Centertaker and no one

1938
01:38:13,279 --> 01:38:15,039
bought the show and no one gave a shit. You know,

1939
01:38:16,039 --> 01:38:20,399
it's crazy, but here we are, so Booker oblies to

1940
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:22,199
say he was a huge draw in the ring, which

1941
01:38:22,279 --> 01:38:23,880
was the way to gain an audience backstage with the

1942
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:25,800
ones in the business who mattered. We have him to

1943
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,359
thank for delivering everything he said he would. All we'd

1944
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:30,680
needed was a shot and professional wrestling. That's more than

1945
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:32,600
you usually get. He even gave me my first pair

1946
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,479
of wrestling boots, the tall black type he's known for,

1947
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,479
which I still have today. With the ink drawing on

1948
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,520
the contracts in our hands, the next order of business

1949
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,279
was to sit down with Creative and learn what they

1950
01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:43,840
had for us. Sid walked us around and introduced us

1951
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:45,960
to the good old boys. We met Dusty Rhodes, the

1952
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,359
figurehead of storylines, writing and booking matches, back then, there

1953
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,720
was no actual creative writers as there would be in

1954
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:54,439
the near future. At that time, the veterans of the game,

1955
01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:56,399
the proven leaders in and out of the ring, were

1956
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:59,600
in charge, and there was none more established than Dusty.

1957
01:39:00,359 --> 01:39:03,199
Following his lead was an impressive team of guys, including

1958
01:39:03,239 --> 01:39:05,720
the late Mike Graham, an anointed one in the business

1959
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,720
who came from the lineage of his father Eddie Graham,

1960
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,760
A long time successful promoter and performer with Laura Champiship Wrestling,

1961
01:39:12,119 --> 01:39:14,399
Mike was a go to guy for character development and instructions.

1962
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:16,279
We heard from Mike last time on the tribute show

1963
01:39:17,079 --> 01:39:21,960
Yes recounting the Sid Squeegee incident. There was also Greg

1964
01:39:22,039 --> 01:39:26,720
Gania greg Gania's office at this time, a one time

1965
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,720
top performer Yeah Okay for the now defunct American Wrestling

1966
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:31,159
Association ABA.

1967
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 3: My God, What the fuck top Performer, which had.

1968
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:35,319
Speaker 8: Been one of the Big three organizations along with the

1969
01:39:35,359 --> 01:39:37,880
World Wrestling Federation and the National Wrestling Alliance and was

1970
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,800
owned and promoted by his father, Vern Gania. Greg insured

1971
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:43,479
the guys knew the direction of their performances that masonly

1972
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,520
mende He walked around and gave them the finishes Lash

1973
01:39:46,520 --> 01:39:48,520
and I were fresh from Global in Dallas, where we'd

1974
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,760
enjoyed a loyal following. Is Booker T and Stevie Ray

1975
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,439
the Ebony Experience. We'd had a creative input there, but

1976
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,159
here at the table, I recognized it was time to

1977
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:57,399
be a listener and nothing more. I knew nothing and

1978
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,159
was prepared for anything they had in store. Well, at

1979
01:40:00,199 --> 01:40:02,039
least I thought I was. We were in the presence

1980
01:40:02,079 --> 01:40:04,479
of a well established Southern good old boy mentality. He

1981
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,079
keeps saying that over and over again. I think I

1982
01:40:06,199 --> 01:40:07,880
know what he means by good old boy, but I

1983
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,920
won't say it. And the train of thought for the

1984
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:14,319
directing of our careers was well interesting. We're going to

1985
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:17,880
change your names to Caine, Mike pointed at Lash and Cole.

1986
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:22,039
He indicated me better known as shy Town Heat Build

1987
01:40:22,079 --> 01:40:25,079
from Chicago. Your story is that you've just been released

1988
01:40:25,159 --> 01:40:29,600
from prison. You'll wear chains and shackles and jumpsuits into

1989
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:33,560
the ring. We think it'll get everyone's attention. Jesus Christ,

1990
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,119
that was an understatement. I couldn't help but wonder if

1991
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:38,600
they were ribbing me about my time in prison. Booker

1992
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:41,159
writes over a decade before. But then the stark reality

1993
01:40:41,319 --> 01:40:43,600
sank in and an uneasy feeling washed over me. Yeah,

1994
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:46,439
you can scratch that one out, because someone brought that

1995
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,319
up to sit on a shoot interview years later in

1996
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:50,359
the twenty tens, and he was like, I had no

1997
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,920
idea Booker was ever in prison. So so much for

1998
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,840
sid architecting a notion here of playing off of that,

1999
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,760
But then the stark reality set in the whole idea

2000
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,199
was a big red flag. My instinct was to object

2001
01:41:02,319 --> 01:41:04,760
until I remember the advice of my mother Junior, no

2002
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,239
one to speak up and when to shut up. Mike said,

2003
01:41:07,239 --> 01:41:09,319
we're gonna pair you up with Robert Fuller, who'll be

2004
01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:15,239
your manager slash master known as Colonel Parker. Why known

2005
01:41:15,239 --> 01:41:18,520
as Colonel Parker? A plantation owner? You see that a

2006
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:21,520
former plantation owner. See that's the problem. It's it's not

2007
01:41:22,039 --> 01:41:24,239
as much what they're wearing, that they have chains on,

2008
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,800
that they're released from prisondents, that Parker is the one

2009
01:41:28,199 --> 01:41:32,039
cattling them around, right, It's that he's a you know, right,

2010
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:35,680
plantation owner. I mean, come on, guys, I was waiting.

2011
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,479
I know he's supposed to be the Colonel Parker, the

2012
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:40,800
promoter of Elvis. I know that that's what they were

2013
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:43,680
going for. But there's baggage there. There's baggage there that

2014
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,279
you have to that's not okay. Work hard to not see.

2015
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,239
I was waiting for them to ask us to shuck

2016
01:41:48,279 --> 01:41:49,319
and johive book of Rights.

2017
01:41:49,399 --> 01:41:49,720
Speaker 3: No shit.

2018
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:52,119
Speaker 8: As insane as it all seemed, the reality was that

2019
01:41:52,199 --> 01:41:54,520
they thought this was a solid plan. This was the

2020
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,880
kind of racial obstacle Oxy Baker had warned me about

2021
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:59,399
back in the WWA. But he'd said, when someone draws

2022
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,920
and makes money, all the bullshit goes away. If I

2023
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,479
had to go around, under or straight through these barriers,

2024
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:08,600
Booker Rights rest assured I was going straight through. So

2025
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:10,640
let's have Sid have his say about what he had

2026
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:15,039
in mind as the new creative fucking Shakespeare over at

2027
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:18,319
WCW bringing in Harlem Heat with this, with this idea.

2028
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:20,359
This is from one of his shoot interviews.

2029
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:22,720
Speaker 6: Oh no'bill asked me to be a part of the

2030
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:25,720
booking committee. So yeah, so I was.

2031
01:42:26,079 --> 01:42:28,119
Speaker 7: You know, I was fait as much time as I

2032
01:42:28,199 --> 01:42:30,760
could in the office and would come up with ideas.

2033
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,880
Actually that's how I got Cron Parker and the Harlem

2034
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:35,520
Heat hired.

2035
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's not forget he also brought in Parker. He

2036
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,840
didn't just bring in Booker. This goes back to him

2037
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,199
working for Continental when Fuller was the booker there in

2038
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:49,319
Alabama and Sid worked there as Lord Humongous and got

2039
01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:51,560
a pretty good push, and also where he met Bruno

2040
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:54,399
Lauer the future down to Bruno Slash.

2041
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:59,399
Speaker 7: Harvey Whippleman portrayed Deck those characters in front of only

2042
01:43:00,039 --> 01:43:04,000
Dusky and Jim Barnett, and then Jim Barnett and Dusually.

2043
01:43:04,359 --> 01:43:07,920
I think the holy Their concerns were that if Robert

2044
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:09,880
you do the character as well as I was doing that.

2045
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 6: Right, that was their original game. They were cool and something,

2046
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:16,800
and they came out and changed right, and he was like.

2047
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:22,279
Speaker 7: It was similar. Well, this is what the whole idea was.

2048
01:43:22,359 --> 01:43:26,600
That Colonel Parker was supposed to be. You know, this

2049
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:30,119
is a big flamboyant person, and how he got with

2050
01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,880
the Harlem heat was at you know, at that particular time,

2051
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,920
the governor of Louisiana was a big time gambler.

2052
01:43:36,039 --> 01:43:38,560
Speaker 6: This is a real shoot and he always owed a

2053
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,079
lot of money, you know a lot of different things.

2054
01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:43,039
He lost a lot of money and horse race and

2055
01:43:43,079 --> 01:43:43,520
stuff like that.

2056
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,039
Speaker 17: So we came up well, I came up a little

2057
01:43:46,079 --> 01:43:50,119
story that you know, during a beat that he lost

2058
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,399
a lot of money to Colonel Parker, and Colonel Parker

2059
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:55,720
instead of warning the money says, you know, hey, I've

2060
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,560
proved myself being the greatest manager in wrestling because I

2061
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,520
brought said dishes in. But I wouldn't for there was

2062
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:03,399
two people that were nobody's so when two people off

2063
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:04,520
death row, and.

2064
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 7: That's why we brought it the end in like the

2065
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:09,159
Gene shirts and the Gene pants and they had those

2066
01:44:09,239 --> 01:44:09,680
numbers on.

2067
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,880
Speaker 6: Them like they were kind of just coming out of prison.

2068
01:44:12,279 --> 01:44:16,600
Speaker 17: And the thing about CD, he actually had some really

2069
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,880
bad scars on his back on the shoulder, and I

2070
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:22,319
wanted to use that to our advantage and said that

2071
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,800
that's where you know during prison that the man beat

2072
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:28,119
him man being the guy in charge.

2073
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,600
Speaker 6: And that was the whole reason that Booker was in

2074
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:35,800
prison for real, right at one point was he he

2075
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:37,600
could have been I didn't know that he urged his

2076
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:40,760
life around and that was a huge humanitarian. Yeah, I

2077
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:41,279
didn't know that.

2078
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,600
Speaker 7: But the main thing was this is that you know,

2079
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,640
cdium really looked at him. And this is things too.

2080
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,840
I had was being taught this in the businesses, you know,

2081
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,159
we didn't have real know they'd have a strap mash,

2082
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,039
usually to get out of a angle or something like that.

2083
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 6: So I said, what was it? You start strap match

2084
01:44:58,920 --> 01:44:59,560
from the beginning.

2085
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,000
Speaker 7: And these two guys, you know, had been in jail

2086
01:45:02,079 --> 01:45:04,359
for the last you know how many years being strapped

2087
01:45:04,359 --> 01:45:06,600
by the man. Now they're gonna get the revenge on

2088
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,359
the man. They're gonna strap everybody they see. I mean,

2089
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:12,039
what happened is that they were trapping other people. And

2090
01:45:12,479 --> 01:45:14,279
you know, working in the w c W at that

2091
01:45:14,359 --> 01:45:17,319
particular time, you know Sinner's being you know, one of

2092
01:45:17,359 --> 01:45:18,119
the top ten teams.

2093
01:45:18,119 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 6: You're going to work with them, with the Road Warriors

2094
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:20,720
or somebody like that.

2095
01:45:21,199 --> 01:45:23,520
Speaker 7: So at least when you got to a point like that,

2096
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,840
you could have a real gimmick match, because these guys

2097
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,119
had been trapping people for some time.

2098
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:31,439
Speaker 6: But Dusty didn't like.

2099
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 7: It because I wasn't his idea from understanding, and they

2100
01:45:36,039 --> 01:45:39,239
came and said it was too racial to me.

2101
01:45:39,399 --> 01:45:41,520
Speaker 6: How can that be racial? These are two black guys

2102
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:43,199
trapping white people, you know.

2103
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:45,039
Speaker 16: And so then.

2104
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 7: This movement not an argument, just a battle of words

2105
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,199
between me and Dusty were he wanted to call.

2106
01:45:53,159 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 17: Him Shinetown Heat or something like that, and I said, well,

2107
01:45:57,279 --> 01:45:59,439
I wanted to call him a Posse, but a movie

2108
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,920
just came out called The Posse. I didn't want to

2109
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:05,479
copy that. Hindsight, I wish I would have. That would

2110
01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:06,560
have been a better name for him.

2111
01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,600
Speaker 7: And it's nothing wrong by copying people, and I just

2112
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,000
didn't know that at the time. So I said, we'll

2113
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,960
call them the Harlem hell Raisers. They were building themselves

2114
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:20,079
already from Harlem. So and bickering back and forth, I

2115
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:24,279
just succumbed to Harlem Heat versus he was going to

2116
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:26,840
call the Shottown He pretty much had was the Roague.

2117
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:29,119
Speaker 6: Warriors, Gill. You know, so this is that said road warriors.

2118
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,800
You know, so this is Calm. I said, they've been

2119
01:46:32,039 --> 01:46:34,560
building themselves some Harlem, So this is cal Harlem Heat.

2120
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 8: So yeah, I don't see how it's racial if they're

2121
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,159
beating the shit out of white wrestlers and the fans

2122
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:44,800
to chant like they want to kill them. You know,

2123
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:47,800
I can see the I could see the inverse. We're like,

2124
01:46:47,880 --> 01:46:50,800
you know, the black wrestler was the babyface and was

2125
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,239
being victimized by a racist white heel, and then you know,

2126
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:55,920
the racist white heel gets his come up ins right,

2127
01:46:56,680 --> 01:46:58,279
So you can see it's a Catharsis thing. You can

2128
01:46:58,359 --> 01:47:00,760
kind of make that claim, you can, like with Jy

2129
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:03,520
D and stuff, But here it's like it's not racial

2130
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,359
because they're beating up white wrestlers. Know what he's talking about.

2131
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:12,079
Speaker 3: I mean, you know the fact that the entire everything else,

2132
01:47:12,119 --> 01:47:14,520
it's like, you know, it's everything else that that makes

2133
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:18,159
it a racist thing, you dumb ass. I mean, do

2134
01:47:18,199 --> 01:47:21,359
you look at the guys you see escape prisoners, you know, right,

2135
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:24,199
I mean just seeing them come down in chains is

2136
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:25,760
not okay.

2137
01:47:26,239 --> 01:47:28,039
Speaker 8: That's what was so cool about the Harlem he gimmick

2138
01:47:28,119 --> 01:47:30,239
is there was no you know, they were just a

2139
01:47:30,319 --> 01:47:33,039
great tag team. You know, I guess being from Harlem,

2140
01:47:33,159 --> 01:47:35,359
you know the way they talked and that's how they talked. Uh,

2141
01:47:35,720 --> 01:47:37,960
there was you know, it was racialized, I guess a

2142
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,600
little bit in that. You know, they were very their

2143
01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:43,159
identity as black men was front and center to the

2144
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:45,800
presentation in some ways, but it wasn't. They were just

2145
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:48,560
a tag team that that was a couple of black

2146
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,279
guys that knew how to wrestle. Well, you know, it's

2147
01:47:50,359 --> 01:47:52,840
like that's how that's that's the play, that's the move.

2148
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,359
But now they saw some sort of like character in

2149
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:57,520
these guys because they were an an American tag team.

2150
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 3: It's like, so that didn't that didn't go well.

2151
01:48:00,119 --> 01:48:02,760
Speaker 8: It was taped, we've seen We've seen glimpses of it

2152
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,079
from the w W archives and some documentaries and such.

2153
01:48:05,159 --> 01:48:07,680
I think even the match where they came out dressed

2154
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,880
up like that on a on a center stage television

2155
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,279
taping is out there somewhere. I think they've they've shown

2156
01:48:12,319 --> 01:48:14,399
it before, but obviously it didn't go anywhere. I don't

2157
01:48:14,399 --> 01:48:17,920
think it even made national TV. Several saw the gimmick,

2158
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,800
and you know, to hear Booker describe in the book,

2159
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:22,159
like the wrestlers observing the outfits that they were showing

2160
01:48:22,239 --> 01:48:24,319
up in and got of a look on their face.

2161
01:48:24,399 --> 01:48:26,720
They you know, they they knew, especially in a company

2162
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:29,600
that let Bill Watts go for the reasons they did. Right, Yeah, yeah,

2163
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,239
this is not gonna it's not gonna go well. There

2164
01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:35,039
is a lack of cultural awareness here that's leading to

2165
01:48:35,079 --> 01:48:37,640
this getting greenlit. And I think even Bishoffa said in

2166
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:39,119
the past that he was kind of horrified by it

2167
01:48:39,199 --> 01:48:41,960
and didn't want to see it proceed. But it got

2168
01:48:42,079 --> 01:48:44,319
through enough of the checks and balances that they went

2169
01:48:44,359 --> 01:48:45,680
out there in front of the people and taped a

2170
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,239
match as Caan and Cole the death row guys. I

2171
01:48:49,279 --> 01:48:51,399
guess Sid had this. I don't know why he thinks

2172
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:53,319
it's such a stroke of genius, but the idea that

2173
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:56,520
somehow the Louisiana governor, to get out of gambling debt,

2174
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,640
agreed to give Colonel Parker two guys who were on

2175
01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:01,399
death row in Louisiana give him over to him to

2176
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,119
manage as a tag team was like a stroke of genius.

2177
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:07,800
It's like what the governor, what are you talking? What

2178
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:08,680
are you talking about?

2179
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:10,079
Speaker 3: Sid? Like what is this?

2180
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 8: Like you see something in the USA today? And now

2181
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:15,279
we all have to like hear that. There's no way

2182
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:17,760
that they could get that complex of a backstory across

2183
01:49:17,880 --> 01:49:20,399
on a wrestling television show, especially at WCW show in

2184
01:49:20,439 --> 01:49:23,960
nineteen ninety three. I mean whatever, So that's but look

2185
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,520
that's how Harlem Heat got their foot in the door

2186
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:29,439
and then they navigated from there. For Booker T's part,

2187
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:31,520
I mean he says that basically they came up with

2188
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,960
the Harlem Heat name and a meeting with Dusty Rhodes

2189
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:36,399
this idea that like you know, Sid came up with

2190
01:49:36,439 --> 01:49:39,159
Harlem whatever, and it doesn't. I think he's kind of

2191
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:43,039
I think it's kind of engineering some role of authorship

2192
01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:45,439
in what Booker and Stevie ultimately became as opposed to

2193
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,159
the initial vision. Booker says in his book the fans

2194
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,159
were offended with the presentation when they went out there

2195
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:53,319
in Atlanta, and that Olly and Sid gathered and only

2196
01:49:53,399 --> 01:49:55,119
tells them, you know what, we're gonna shut this thing

2197
01:49:55,159 --> 01:49:59,640
down immediately, too much heat. There's a creative meeting, and

2198
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:01,560
this is where Booker says in his book that Dusty

2199
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:03,039
was like, well, we need to figure out something else

2200
01:50:03,079 --> 01:50:04,880
to call you guys, because we think you have potentially

2201
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,640
we want to keep you around. And and that's when

2202
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:11,920
Booker says he suggested Harlem Heat, thinking we love black

2203
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:15,079
exploitation movies. Booker and Stevie loved black exploitation movies. And

2204
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:18,319
that's where sucker comes from, right, because then Shaft used

2205
01:50:18,319 --> 01:50:20,920
to say sucker all the time. Yeah, that's how they

2206
01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:24,079
say that in their promos, and that's where they came

2207
01:50:24,119 --> 01:50:26,840
up with Harlem Heat. But Booker does say that it

2208
01:50:26,920 --> 01:50:29,079
was Sid's backing that was really cited is the reason

2209
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:31,560
that they weren't just dropped cold after that failed tryout,

2210
01:50:32,079 --> 01:50:33,680
because you know, I'm sure if Ollie had his way,

2211
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:35,479
these guys are the shets. You know, he'd blame the talent,

2212
01:50:35,720 --> 01:50:38,960
you know, instead of the the lack of accountability along

2213
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:42,720
the chain to red flag this thing. But because Sid

2214
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:45,359
was behind Booker t, they didn't fire them, and they tried.

2215
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:46,840
They went back to the drawing board and tried to

2216
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:49,000
figure out something else to do with them. And Sid

2217
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:52,920
actually did wrestle for a handful of occasions with Harlem

2218
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,800
Heat and six man tag matches to get them well

2219
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,640
spotlet I think, mostly on the ww House shieldo. And

2220
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,319
this is around the time Bischoff comes in and by

2221
01:51:00,359 --> 01:51:03,199
the time War Games gets ready to happen. I mean,

2222
01:51:03,279 --> 01:51:05,239
my god, Harlem Heat just a couple of weeks, a

2223
01:51:05,279 --> 01:51:07,840
couple of months in the territory. They're in the War Games,

2224
01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:11,239
remember that in the main event. That's right, totally insane

2225
01:51:11,359 --> 01:51:15,880
to realize how relatively immature they were on a national

2226
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:18,800
stage before getting into the wargame's main event. But that's

2227
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:22,039
all that's all due to Sid, That's all, you know,

2228
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:27,039
Sid getting getting people hired because of this way that

2229
01:51:27,079 --> 01:51:30,039
he held, and upon Sid's passing, Booker T took to

2230
01:51:30,119 --> 01:51:33,159
his own podcast, Reality of Wrestling to reflect a little

2231
01:51:33,159 --> 01:51:35,680
bit on how it hit him looking back on what

2232
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,720
Sid did for him in w CW and his brother.

2233
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:42,359
Speaker 14: It's been a rough day for me. Uh, it's been

2234
01:51:42,399 --> 01:51:44,199
a real rough day. We lost Sid Vicious.

2235
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:46,279
Speaker 12: Yeah, man.

2236
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,680
Speaker 14: Sid actually was the dude that got me and my

2237
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:59,119
brother I break phone call, came to the Global Wrestling Federation,

2238
01:51:59,279 --> 01:52:02,600
the sportatory him and pretty much to rest his history,

2239
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,920
Sid Vicious brought me and my brother in. He said, hey, ma,

2240
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,439
I'm gonna get you guys, and I'm gonna get you in.

2241
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,920
Probably about six months later, me and my brothers was

2242
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,039
in w CW, and not just in w CW, was

2243
01:52:13,079 --> 01:52:17,960
staying at sid viscous apartment, uh park the Park apartments

2244
01:52:18,359 --> 01:52:22,640
right there and marry out of Georgia. And uh he

2245
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:24,560
didn't have to do that. I mean, Sid didn't have

2246
01:52:24,640 --> 01:52:27,600
to do that. I mean, but he went out on

2247
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:29,600
the limb just for me and my brother to actually

2248
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:37,680
give us a springboard right off the bat first pay

2249
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:39,520
per view, first pay per view, I was in the

2250
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:43,159
main event with Sid Vicious, you know, right here in Houston, Texas.

2251
01:52:43,279 --> 01:52:44,119
Speaker 6: All because of Sid.

2252
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:44,399
Speaker 3: Man.

2253
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 14: See, it made sure me and my brother got that

2254
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,880
spot two rookies, man, two green horns, you know, in

2255
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,800
the main event, and a pay per view that you

2256
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:56,800
know that was being debut Dusty Roads. You know, I

2257
01:52:56,880 --> 01:53:01,479
came out of the mine of Dusty Rhoads. And man,

2258
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:05,760
what a time, Man, what a time I've been. I've

2259
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:08,960
been thinking about that all day today, man, ever since

2260
01:53:09,000 --> 01:53:12,920
I heard I got a phone call, accident, got the news,

2261
01:53:13,039 --> 01:53:15,720
and all day heaven just going back in time and

2262
01:53:16,279 --> 01:53:20,239
going back to the early nineties. Man, it was such

2263
01:53:20,279 --> 01:53:24,560
a freaking ride, Sisious, the one that kicked that ride off. Man,

2264
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:27,520
I'm just I'm just glad I got here to see Sid.

2265
01:53:28,359 --> 01:53:30,520
I don't know, maybe six months year or two a

2266
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,880
year ago, and uh, I'm just glad I got a

2267
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,840
chance to tell Sid VI's just thank you. I swear

2268
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,840
to God, that's what I told Sid.

2269
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:40,039
Speaker 3: Man.

2270
01:53:40,039 --> 01:53:43,199
Speaker 14: I give him all the praise for getting me and

2271
01:53:43,279 --> 01:53:45,840
my brother in and doing what he did for us. Man,

2272
01:53:45,880 --> 01:53:47,920
I just I told him, I just wanted to thank

2273
01:53:48,039 --> 01:53:52,840
him for everything. If he had personally in his face,

2274
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,319
you know, to his face. I wanted to thank him

2275
01:53:55,399 --> 01:53:57,520
for everything that he did for me and my brother,

2276
01:54:01,279 --> 01:54:03,159
and I'm just glad I got a chance to do that.

2277
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:07,600
Said it definitely was the guy that springboard you know,

2278
01:54:07,720 --> 01:54:10,960
my brother and my my career to the next level.

2279
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,600
Put us in great position right off the bat. And

2280
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,800
and the thing is, I still don't even really know

2281
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:21,399
why said did that for us. You know, it's always

2282
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:24,319
always wonder, you know, you know what would have been

2283
01:54:24,399 --> 01:54:27,800
my brother and I what would have been what would

2284
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:29,960
have been our route if it wasn't for said Vicious.

2285
01:54:31,159 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 8: I mean, I hate to say it, book I mean,

2286
01:54:34,479 --> 01:54:36,760
do you want to know the reason why? Because he

2287
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:40,760
had an idea for death row gimmick and you thought

2288
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:44,279
you guys would make great prisoners. Well, look, how you

2289
01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:45,680
get in the business is how you get in the

2290
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:49,359
business is what you do right from there along the way,

2291
01:54:49,439 --> 01:54:52,840
how you navigate. So I understand all of the deference

2292
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,039
to Sid from Booker there and and and the praise

2293
01:54:55,279 --> 01:54:58,399
to SID for getting them that opportunity, because he knows

2294
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,760
that they would have been fucking gone on and scapegoaded

2295
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:06,760
for that whole disaster if SID didn't have their backing

2296
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,600
from an office perspective, and if getting rid of the

2297
01:55:08,640 --> 01:55:11,039
Harlem heat wasn't seen as a slight to Sid, which

2298
01:55:11,079 --> 01:55:13,000
it would have been. So Sid took care of people

2299
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:16,239
along the way, particularly as he was trying again to

2300
01:55:16,359 --> 01:55:18,479
forge a new identity as someone who could be helpful

2301
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:20,399
in the office as well as in the ring, which

2302
01:55:20,479 --> 01:55:24,039
is just hilarious and doomed to fail. But we mentioned

2303
01:55:24,119 --> 01:55:31,159
that another beneficiary of Sid's newfound sway, Sid's newfound influence

2304
01:55:31,279 --> 01:55:32,359
is Colonel Robert Parker.

2305
01:55:32,399 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 9: And it was.

2306
01:55:34,359 --> 01:55:36,840
Speaker 8: At the Slambourree nineteen ninety three pay per view in

2307
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:39,680
May of nineteen ninety three that Van Hammer is in

2308
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,920
the ring to face a mystery opponent, and we are

2309
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:46,880
subjected for the first time to this Colonel Robert Parker character.

2310
01:55:48,279 --> 01:55:49,920
And not only is he here to tell us who

2311
01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:51,640
he is and what he's about, but he's here to

2312
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:55,039
introduce us to his charge, the returning Sid.

2313
01:55:57,159 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 3: Here comes.

2314
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 18: See Gurney very right up here.

2315
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 3: I was holding a stretcher that is contentable.

2316
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:09,319
Speaker 10: I'm not to introduce to you now for three hundred

2317
01:56:09,439 --> 01:56:12,520
pounds from mister ten a thief.

2318
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,439
Speaker 3: Oh lord, you get off on your feet.

2319
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,279
Speaker 13: Were a shoe of a stick for the man then

2320
01:56:20,439 --> 01:56:29,720
rules the world. Sick fishup, Oh my, get that going

2321
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:30,399
over here.

2322
01:56:30,319 --> 01:56:30,960
Speaker 3: Long, Coco.

2323
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 13: We don't want help to hold here, Cooper n Father,

2324
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,239
get the god old the hair, Coco.

2325
01:56:38,760 --> 01:56:41,479
Speaker 3: I don't want to be holding the concas respas.

2326
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:46,319
Speaker 11: I got a paper here, I tell you World Championship Wrestling.

2327
01:56:46,399 --> 01:56:51,880
Speaker 3: Better buy a few more kurneyes. Sit Vicious making its

2328
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:52,640
lighting the line.

2329
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:54,359
Speaker 13: Meanwhile that Heather.

2330
01:56:54,199 --> 01:56:55,760
Speaker 3: Has destroyed the journey.

2331
01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 13: Honey outside, sit Vicious hit back.

2332
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:02,239
Speaker 3: Why here we go?

2333
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:07,239
Speaker 8: So Sid gets in there and he's back, and he

2334
01:57:07,319 --> 01:57:08,680
absolutely fucking.

2335
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, better buy a few more gurneys.

2336
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you're wondering if Bischoff was in power yet,

2337
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:16,680
let the fact that Larry's obisco is on color his

2338
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:20,000
old age body. He'll be the answer there. So Sid

2339
01:57:20,039 --> 01:57:23,279
gets in the ring and absolutely obliterates van Hammer, and

2340
01:57:24,039 --> 01:57:25,439
you know, he does what he has to do to

2341
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,359
be Sid right, the same thing that he had a

2342
01:57:28,439 --> 01:57:31,239
fit over warrior pulling on him. Yeah, this is who

2343
01:57:31,239 --> 01:57:33,279
the war ultimate warrior is, the ultimate Warrior has to

2344
01:57:33,359 --> 01:57:35,119
do these things to be the ultimate warrior, to be

2345
01:57:35,199 --> 01:57:38,159
who the people buy into. Now he's coming into WCW

2346
01:57:38,319 --> 01:57:40,520
and he's gonna he's gonna run people over, even if,

2347
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:44,039
as the shoot interview that Sid did with Hannibal indicates,

2348
01:57:44,119 --> 01:57:46,920
van Hammer wanted a little something more out of the deal,

2349
01:57:47,239 --> 01:57:49,119
it's not gonna happen. Sid's in town.

2350
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:52,319
Speaker 17: So we're sitting there and van Hammer is telling me

2351
01:57:52,439 --> 01:57:54,199
all about all the stuff he's going to do, being

2352
01:57:54,239 --> 01:57:55,000
bing bing.

2353
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:57,000
Speaker 7: I said, no, do this what we're going to do

2354
01:57:57,439 --> 01:58:00,239
where how you know he did his interest in talk.

2355
01:58:00,319 --> 01:58:02,600
Come in, I'm gonna do this, Jill, can you kitch

2356
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:03,720
you to get power bombing?

2357
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 6: And that's it? And he looked around him and Bill said,

2358
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:07,960
I guess that's what we're doing.

2359
01:58:11,079 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 8: Bill Dundee, of course, Oh my god. It was front

2360
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:19,920
office and Aussie, I mean sits back. I mean this guy, please,

2361
01:58:20,439 --> 01:58:22,760
he's just gonna squash everybody and that's the way it's

2362
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:23,079
going to be.

2363
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:24,840
Speaker 3: And no one says.

2364
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,039
Speaker 8: So he's back, and he kills van Hammer on the show,

2365
01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:31,439
Power bombs him to hell in seconds, and van Hammer

2366
01:58:31,479 --> 01:58:33,800
is essentially never heard from again until the Flock Days.

2367
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:38,520
So he's back and again mentioning that the shredder thing

2368
01:58:38,560 --> 01:58:42,199
he got into that life right exactly. He was just

2369
01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:45,720
left over from Jim Hurd's many failed attempts to create

2370
01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:48,840
characters that appeal to children, including the rocker Van Hammer

2371
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:53,319
that he pushed to the moon and fizzled out, but

2372
01:58:53,439 --> 01:58:55,760
still haven't. Of course, still in a contract back then,

2373
01:58:55,880 --> 01:58:58,279
better believe it under contract throughout the whole nineties in

2374
01:58:58,399 --> 01:59:01,600
w c W, despite never resonating in any way, shape

2375
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:06,560
or form, that was w CW. So again the movie thing,

2376
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:10,760
you know, with the Turner crossover, He tells Hannibal does

2377
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,319
Sid that when he worked for Turner, w W presented

2378
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,960
somebody who ran a promotion for when things came up

2379
01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:21,720
for movie parts and stuff like that. Guess his name

2380
01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:24,159
is Barry Norman. And this is a guy who would like,

2381
01:59:24,479 --> 01:59:26,840
I guess, look around w CW for people in movie

2382
01:59:26,920 --> 01:59:32,640
parts that that that they needed. And the guy from Maine,

2383
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:36,000
I guess, so he got him the gig with the Yeah,

2384
01:59:36,079 --> 01:59:39,840
Barry Norman's his name. He runs the theater Familiar Evening

2385
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:45,640
Star Cinema, Brunswick, Maine. Perhaps he's a perhaps he's a

2386
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,279
presenter of plays as well. I'm not sure I know,

2387
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:51,560
but he says, Sid straight up says that this guy

2388
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:54,039
got him a gig with the Ninja Turtles movie where

2389
01:59:54,039 --> 01:59:56,880
he was going to be Super Shredder, but according to Sid,

2390
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,159
only said no, we can't let Sid take those days

2391
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:00,960
off to do movies. Give it to Kevin Nash, who

2392
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:02,600
they were one going to do shit with post Oz

2393
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:05,880
after Oz, and thus Kevin Nash gets his first major

2394
02:00:05,960 --> 02:00:08,039
role as Super Shrudder, but that was going to be Sid.

2395
02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:12,720
According to Sid, he says, that's what happens when I

2396
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:14,359
was in the business, and this is great for me,

2397
02:00:14,439 --> 02:00:15,960
But as far as trying to attain an acting career,

2398
02:00:16,039 --> 02:00:17,680
they're not going to give you the days off because

2399
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:20,319
the business is a lot different. They would work out

2400
02:00:20,359 --> 02:00:22,520
by the public about the loser leaves town or all

2401
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:25,520
that stuff to get time off, but Sid said it

2402
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:28,239
just that wasn't happening. So the other times he had

2403
02:00:28,279 --> 02:00:32,079
a chance to really get into the movies we're talking about.

2404
02:00:33,319 --> 02:00:35,239
You know, if you're not in California, it becomes hard.

2405
02:00:36,039 --> 02:00:38,479
And his son was trying to break into the business

2406
02:00:38,479 --> 02:00:39,840
at the time he did this interview. He said, you

2407
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:44,640
can ask my son about that. And eventually, after graduating college,

2408
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:45,760
talks about his sun a bit and he says the

2409
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:47,640
only person ever made it in movies was the Rock.

2410
02:00:48,119 --> 02:00:48,920
Speaker 3: He says.

2411
02:00:50,359 --> 02:00:52,880
Speaker 8: Eventually he ended up doing six or seven movies, and

2412
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,079
we did share with you just last week on the

2413
02:00:55,159 --> 02:00:58,199
main Feed the episode of Under the Cinemat for one

2414
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:00,720
of the low budget films that Sid actually he was able.

2415
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,239
Speaker 3: To do in his time. One. Yes, oh yes, River

2416
02:01:03,439 --> 02:01:07,920
of Darkness, Boss. River of Darkness. What a piece of garbage.

2417
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:10,760
Oh it was bad, I mean, that was.

2418
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:16,199
Speaker 1: It.

2419
02:01:16,399 --> 02:01:17,359
Speaker 7: It was.

2420
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:20,319
Speaker 3: It was really bad. I mean it's it's a a

2421
02:01:20,439 --> 02:01:27,760
straight to video movie and it was. It was just awful.

2422
02:01:29,279 --> 02:01:31,960
And Kevin Nash in it as well. Yeah it was.

2423
02:01:32,199 --> 02:01:37,000
I mean, yeah, Kurd Angle, Kevin Nash, Sid It's it's

2424
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:39,439
you know, it's kind of star studded cast there.

2425
02:01:39,560 --> 02:01:42,399
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, it does film out of Pittsburgh. He also

2426
02:01:42,479 --> 02:01:44,840
did a film called Stranded, and he apparently does a

2427
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:47,399
deal in like a mockingbird kind of movie where he

2428
02:01:47,439 --> 02:01:49,720
doesn't have a speaking part, but he was dead the

2429
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:50,239
whole time.

2430
02:01:50,359 --> 02:01:52,760
Speaker 3: And yeah he and he and Nash are dead brothers,

2431
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:53,279
so he can.

2432
02:01:53,399 --> 02:01:58,119
Speaker 8: Okay, Yeah, is that River Darkness. That's River Darkness, River Darkness. Yeah,

2433
02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:00,319
in this interview he starts talking about it. That's a

2434
02:02:00,359 --> 02:02:02,479
different movie from River of Darkness. But oh, I see

2435
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:03,000
it wasn't.

2436
02:02:03,000 --> 02:02:04,159
Speaker 3: Sorry he's a.

2437
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:06,159
Speaker 2: Lapsed fan Wrestling podcast.

2438
02:02:23,479 --> 02:02:27,399
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno

2439
02:02:27,800 --> 02:02:29,439
and JP Soro, and he.

2440
02:02:29,479 --> 02:02:31,720
Speaker 8: Talked about, you know that he had a planned when

2441
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:33,039
he got in the business. He wanted to get out

2442
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:35,600
at forty and he was thirty three at this time

2443
02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,960
in nineteen ninety three upon returning to WCW, so wow,

2444
02:02:39,279 --> 02:02:40,880
you could see some you know, one or two juicy

2445
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,119
movie offers, maybe paving the path for a life beyond wrestling,

2446
02:02:44,119 --> 02:02:47,359
which apparently he was seeing for himself within the decade.

2447
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:52,000
And then of course in WCW at the time as

2448
02:02:52,039 --> 02:02:59,119
well was arn Anderson and this Boss is where our

2449
02:02:59,279 --> 02:03:06,920
reality sets in October twenty seventh, nineteen ninety three, following

2450
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:11,079
a WCW live event in Blackburn, England. For all is

2451
02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:15,520
for all the misery that was the WCW balance sheet

2452
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:19,279
in nineteen ninety three, there were some bright spots when

2453
02:03:19,319 --> 02:03:23,079
they were able to get over to Europe. They had

2454
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:27,199
you know, pretty strong shows in England and Ireland and

2455
02:03:27,319 --> 02:03:29,039
then around this point in nineteen ninety three as well

2456
02:03:29,039 --> 02:03:32,319
as Germany. This was the tour of course where mckfuley

2457
02:03:32,359 --> 02:03:34,479
gets his ear torn off in the Ropes against Vader,

2458
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:38,760
and it's a trip worth making for WCW is they

2459
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:40,479
try to find a place where they can actually turn

2460
02:03:40,560 --> 02:03:43,520
a profit, and so everyone has to go over there.

2461
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:46,520
Speaker 3: Not everyone, but many do, I imagine most.

2462
02:03:47,479 --> 02:03:50,039
Speaker 8: And so when we talk about the CID arm fight,

2463
02:03:50,199 --> 02:03:53,239
there's just multiple perspectives. It's it's postmodern and the amount

2464
02:03:53,239 --> 02:03:55,920
of perspectives there are on this thing. And we're going

2465
02:03:55,960 --> 02:03:58,119
to do it damned just here in the TLF tribute

2466
02:03:58,119 --> 02:03:59,840
to Sid because there's really no better place to get

2467
02:04:00,319 --> 02:04:02,840
into this then right here, to try to lay down

2468
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:07,880
something approximating a fact pattern that takes most of the

2469
02:04:08,279 --> 02:04:11,399
important perspectives into account. I want to start here with

2470
02:04:11,479 --> 02:04:14,760
the book of at the time WCW ring announcer Gary

2471
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:17,840
Michael Kippetta, who's a shrewd observer of all that's happening

2472
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:20,760
around him in the business. He's kind of it's kind

2473
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:22,279
of a pain in the ass, but at the same time,

2474
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:24,680
he is somebody that sits in a unique vantage point

2475
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:27,399
and ended up in a position where he could just

2476
02:04:27,479 --> 02:04:30,840
dish on everybody and had nothing to lose. At the time,

2477
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:33,800
with interviews and podcasts and such, was very open about,

2478
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,399
you know, being from Pennsylvania and getting his start working

2479
02:04:37,039 --> 02:04:39,800
WWF shows under the auspices of the Pennsylvania Stated have

2480
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:43,000
led a commission about George of Horian's practices and stuff.

2481
02:04:43,039 --> 02:04:45,199
So he's kind of a a He's a truth teller

2482
02:04:45,359 --> 02:04:47,119
in a lot of ways, and you might not believe

2483
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:48,840
what he says is the truth. But he's not one

2484
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:52,119
of those guys that's wasn't me. I wasn't directly involved that.

2485
02:04:52,119 --> 02:04:55,239
I won't comment. He will comment. Gary Michael Copetta will comment.

2486
02:04:55,680 --> 02:04:57,720
By the way, I'm realizing who I'm thinking of in

2487
02:04:57,880 --> 02:05:01,399
terms of Barry Norman. Oh yeah, Norman is the host

2488
02:05:01,640 --> 02:05:05,600
of the BBC film series that I've used. Oh, of

2489
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:08,640
course for cinemat That's not this guy. That's not different

2490
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:10,840
Barry Norman. That's but that same name. That's why I'm

2491
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,199
like Barry Norman. I know, fucking Barry Nan. I thought

2492
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:14,760
you may have worked a theater for him or something

2493
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:16,039
or no summer.

2494
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:19,439
Speaker 3: Second of definitely something like I knew the name for something.

2495
02:05:20,319 --> 02:05:22,159
Speaker 8: So Gary Michael Capetta of course, was on the road

2496
02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:24,359
for WWT the time and has the perspective not so

2497
02:05:24,479 --> 02:05:26,520
much as someone you know, involved in breaking up the fight,

2498
02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:29,479
but involved in kind of observing the publicity that this

2499
02:05:29,800 --> 02:05:33,640
happening overseas, with these wild wrestlers being in an England

2500
02:05:33,640 --> 02:05:36,479
hotel room generated so he's kind of got that perspective

2501
02:05:36,479 --> 02:05:38,199
on it as well. I turned to you, boss, if

2502
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:41,479
you could share with the Solar System GMC's recollections of

2503
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:42,880
this thing to get us started.

2504
02:05:43,680 --> 02:05:47,399
Speaker 3: On Tuesday morning, the buses were waiting at Gatwick Airport

2505
02:05:47,479 --> 02:05:50,199
for the one hundred and fifty mile trek to Cardiff, Wales.

2506
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:53,560
The first event of the Halloween Havoc ninety three tour

2507
02:05:54,119 --> 02:05:57,119
would be held that same evening. We arrived at the

2508
02:05:57,199 --> 02:06:00,159
Cardiff Marriott at noon, allowing us just enough to time

2509
02:06:00,239 --> 02:06:02,560
to eat, take a short nap and be ready to

2510
02:06:02,640 --> 02:06:05,439
board the bus once again at five for the short

2511
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:10,079
trip to the International Arena. After a fairly successful Cardiff show,

2512
02:06:10,119 --> 02:06:12,840
we were whisked off once again for a late night

2513
02:06:13,039 --> 02:06:17,319
sixteen one hundred and sixty mile journey to Blackburn, the

2514
02:06:17,399 --> 02:06:21,920
sight of the next night's event. Although everyone was understandably exhausted,

2515
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:25,399
spirits were high and spirits were flowing throughout the motor

2516
02:06:25,439 --> 02:06:27,920
coach that served us as our home on wheels for

2517
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:30,760
the next week. Not a problem, not a problem. Nope,

2518
02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:33,640
let's just get drunk. Most of the seats in the

2519
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:39,560
bus were of the standard of the standard Dard variety. Well,

2520
02:06:39,560 --> 02:06:41,560
maybe it's a standard of variety and it's a double

2521
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:47,760
thing there. I think that's what it is. Yeah, facing forward, okay.

2522
02:06:48,359 --> 02:06:51,199
In some of the sections, pairs of seats faced each other,

2523
02:06:51,319 --> 02:06:54,359
separated by drop down tables with a built in with

2524
02:06:54,479 --> 02:06:57,520
built in drink holders. The rear quarter of the coach

2525
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:59,359
was separated from the rest of the seats by a

2526
02:06:59,439 --> 02:07:03,279
bathroom equipped with a drop down bed. This back section

2527
02:07:03,479 --> 02:07:06,720
of the specially built tour bus usually served as private

2528
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:10,079
quarters for the show's headliner. On this particular evening, I

2529
02:07:10,159 --> 02:07:14,880
shared the cubicle with Arn Anderson tour manager Phil Bowdry,

2530
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:20,960
and overflowing coolers of beer and soda. As guys continually

2531
02:07:21,319 --> 02:07:24,560
wandered back to the makeshift bar, we chatted about the

2532
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:27,439
upcoming stops and the number of tickets already sold. Arn,

2533
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:29,840
one of the most respected guys in the business, expresses

2534
02:07:29,880 --> 02:07:33,560
appreciation to Phil for the way BCC took care of us.

2535
02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:36,159
It was a relaxing conversation. At the end of a

2536
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:40,079
NonStop five day trek. We arrived with the Moat House Hotel,

2537
02:07:40,359 --> 02:07:43,479
Brother Mote Mote tier House, Big Protel.

2538
02:07:43,680 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 8: I think BCC, by the way, is the local promotions

2539
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:49,760
company that they partnered with for the tour.

2540
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:53,199
Speaker 3: I thought it maybe have been a big Caucasian cock

2541
02:07:55,880 --> 02:08:00,880
in England. Maybe, I guess that makes sense. The little

2542
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:04,520
Caucasian cock maybe makes sense. The British cock Casting Company.

2543
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:08,199
There it is, there it is. We arrived at the

2544
02:08:08,359 --> 02:08:12,680
Mote tier House Hotel in Blackburn after midnight. The receptionist

2545
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,159
on duty was pleased to report that the lounge remained

2546
02:08:15,239 --> 02:08:18,640
open as a courtesy to their American guests. The temptation

2547
02:08:19,039 --> 02:08:21,399
was too great for several of the wrestlers to resist,

2548
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:24,800
so they moved. But here we go, So they moved

2549
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:26,760
the festivities from the bus to the bar, and the

2550
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:30,760
boozing began once again. The rest of us dragged our

2551
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:33,600
sleep deprived bodies off to our rooms to recuperate from

2552
02:08:33,640 --> 02:08:37,680
the short naps, transatlantic antics, and late night road trips

2553
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:41,600
of the preceding days. There was nothing I desired more

2554
02:08:42,119 --> 02:08:45,159
than a full night's sleep. It was one o'clock when

2555
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:48,159
I finally plopped into bed for what I thought would

2556
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:51,640
be a sound, peaceful rest. But the sounds that stirred

2557
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:56,760
me from my slumber were far from peaceful. Shouting and

2558
02:08:57,039 --> 02:09:01,920
pounding jolted me back into consciousness. My brother, can't you pitch.

2559
02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:06,079
Speaker 8: That exhausted jet lag feeling? And then you finally feel

2560
02:09:06,159 --> 02:09:08,319
like you've carved off the time to catch up? And

2561
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:12,239
then everyone then for some reason others just didn't get

2562
02:09:12,279 --> 02:09:13,920
the memo, And.

2563
02:09:14,039 --> 02:09:15,720
Speaker 2: The more.

2564
02:09:17,159 --> 02:09:21,199
Speaker 3: Frustrating then, like when you're on the verge of like

2565
02:09:21,800 --> 02:09:27,039
getting such much desired rest and then something just ruins it.

2566
02:09:27,399 --> 02:09:31,800
Oh all right. My first thought was that the boys

2567
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:33,840
were just rough housing up and down the hall. I

2568
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:37,760
then realized the racket was taking place just outside my door.

2569
02:09:38,680 --> 02:09:41,840
Seconds later, I heard funderous thumps or wax against either

2570
02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:44,520
of the walls or the doors, or both. I couldn't

2571
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:47,479
be sure. The pictures and mirrors that hung in my

2572
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:51,199
room vibrated with the power of each impact. I quickly

2573
02:09:51,279 --> 02:09:58,640
became convinced that this wrestling was for real. Alarmed, I

2574
02:09:58,760 --> 02:10:01,720
moved closer to the door. There was no security peephole

2575
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:03,359
to see what was happening on the other side, so

2576
02:10:03,439 --> 02:10:07,359
I impulsively reached for the doorknob. Between the smacking sounds,

2577
02:10:07,359 --> 02:10:10,479
which continued without a pause, I heard the intense, persistent

2578
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:17,840
shrieks of a determined but desperate voice. It was the

2579
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:22,960
voice of said vicious correct Orn. I've heard enough. Oh

2580
02:10:23,039 --> 02:10:26,960
my god. A few seconds of silence, then a whack Arn,

2581
02:10:27,079 --> 02:10:31,960
it's got to end a little more agitated, another whack on,

2582
02:10:32,199 --> 02:10:35,920
let's settle this right now. I heard the door across

2583
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,560
the hall burst open, a smack of flesh, and the

2584
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:43,279
struggling of two bodies bouncing off walls, heavy heaving grunts

2585
02:10:43,319 --> 02:10:46,960
and groans during the scene of sounds. I nervously backed

2586
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:51,800
away from the door. Then I couldn't move. I should have.

2587
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:53,560
I should have picked up the phone to call for help,

2588
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:56,560
but I didn't. I couldn't. I was frozen in fear.

2589
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:00,680
By the time I regained my composer sure, the commotion

2590
02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:04,359
had subsided into quiet murmurs of concern and shock. At

2591
02:11:04,399 --> 02:11:07,680
the bloody aftermath of the fight, Sid was removed from

2592
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:10,279
the scene. As the boys huddled around Arn in the

2593
02:11:10,439 --> 02:11:16,039
crimson splattered hall, WCW's head of security, Doug Dellinger, and

2594
02:11:16,399 --> 02:11:21,399
Vader inspected the lacerations that covered the face and upper

2595
02:11:21,479 --> 02:11:25,039
body of their bewildered and bloody friend Arn. Looked up

2596
02:11:25,039 --> 02:11:29,399
at Vader, repeating over and over again, Leon, you know me.

2597
02:11:30,479 --> 02:11:32,600
I don't carry a knife. You know me, brother, I

2598
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:36,640
never carry a knife. By now the Blackburn police and

2599
02:11:36,720 --> 02:11:40,039
emergency squad members had joined the crowd. Both wrestlers were

2600
02:11:40,039 --> 02:11:42,439
taken to the hospital and we were left to sort

2601
02:11:42,479 --> 02:11:46,000
out exactly what had transpired. Lay it on too little

2602
02:11:46,039 --> 02:11:48,720
sleep and too much alcohol. If not in Blackburn, it

2603
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:51,680
could have been London or Munich, or Hamburg or Birmingham, England,

2604
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:55,640
or Alabama. Given the circumstances, it was bound to happen.

2605
02:11:56,079 --> 02:11:58,600
The only surprise was that it didn't happen sooner. The

2606
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:00,800
bad blood had begun to boil in the hotel bar

2607
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:03,720
when the conversation turned to the politics and the pecking

2608
02:12:03,880 --> 02:12:08,199
order within wcw Arn defended his best buddy in booker

2609
02:12:08,319 --> 02:12:11,199
Brick Flair, when Vicious accused Flair of unfairly promoting his

2610
02:12:11,399 --> 02:12:15,079
pals instead of the wrestlers who could draw money. Sid

2611
02:12:15,159 --> 02:12:17,800
sees himself as a draw and he knows Anderson and

2612
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:21,479
Flair are pals, they are really more like brothers. He

2613
02:12:21,640 --> 02:12:23,920
was well aware of the bond and the loyalty that

2614
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:27,520
for years had existed between the two veterans. Arn aimed

2615
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:31,920
for sid sore spot with disparaging remarks about his limited

2616
02:12:34,039 --> 02:12:39,439
sorry a limited wrestling ability and overrated reputation. When voices

2617
02:12:39,479 --> 02:12:42,800
were raised and threats were traded, Devnger sent both wrestlers

2618
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:45,680
to their rooms for the night. Arm's room, Arn's room

2619
02:12:45,760 --> 02:12:47,520
was across from mind well what it's worth And we'll

2620
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:48,000
hear this later.

2621
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:50,880
Speaker 8: When Syd recounts the story, he says that the reason

2622
02:12:50,920 --> 02:12:53,039
they went back to the rooms was because everyone was

2623
02:12:53,119 --> 02:12:55,079
down in the bar thinking that the food that had

2624
02:12:55,119 --> 02:12:56,720
been ordered for the wrestlers was going to be at

2625
02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:58,520
the bar, and then they found out that the food

2626
02:12:58,520 --> 02:13:00,640
had actually been delivered everybody's room, and that's why they

2627
02:13:00,680 --> 02:13:03,000
go to the room, not that they were ordered up

2628
02:13:03,039 --> 02:13:05,840
to their room. So let the first discrepancy.

2629
02:13:06,279 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 3: They weren't ordered up their room. The orders were in there.

2630
02:13:09,159 --> 02:13:12,000
Speaker 8: He got that, he got that mixed up. But I'm

2631
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:15,079
sure there's these little details along the way that that

2632
02:13:15,239 --> 02:13:19,000
might make Sid seem a little bit more crazy or

2633
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:20,960
a little bit more of an instigator here that he

2634
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:24,680
he recasts. You know, he's got curious details about things

2635
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:26,520
like that, like who cares were the food? Like what

2636
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:28,640
are you talking about. But I feel like it's got

2637
02:13:28,680 --> 02:13:31,439
to be self serving that the food is what brought

2638
02:13:31,479 --> 02:13:33,439
them upstairs instead of a disciplinary You.

2639
02:13:33,479 --> 02:13:36,600
Speaker 3: Know, yes, crack of the way, because what did he do.

2640
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:38,239
He was just out there to get his dinner.

2641
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:40,199
Speaker 8: Right exactly. They weren't sent up there because because he

2642
02:13:40,199 --> 02:13:41,000
already started shit.

2643
02:13:43,399 --> 02:13:45,920
Speaker 3: Sids was on the opposite side of the hotel. Arne

2644
02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:48,119
did what he was told. Sid stopped at his room,

2645
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:52,039
picked up a chair and carried it over to our corridor.

2646
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:54,920
He was like a man possessed, like a wounded animal

2647
02:13:55,000 --> 02:13:58,760
that has found itself trapped, wounded by Arn's words, trapped

2648
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:04,119
by their inscapable truth. Sid returned for revenge. This was

2649
02:14:04,199 --> 02:14:06,720
no longer the result of lips loosened by alcohol and

2650
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:12,239
hurt feelings. This was a premeditated attack. Arn, whose barbs

2651
02:14:12,319 --> 02:14:16,920
can be biting, hit the bull's eye with his verbal assault. Sid,

2652
02:14:17,039 --> 02:14:20,640
incapable of countering, retaliated the only way he knew how.

2653
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:24,439
Once Arn was lured into the hall, Sid was armed

2654
02:14:24,479 --> 02:14:28,640
for the ambush. The battering of Sid's chair against Arn's

2655
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:32,720
door explained the power packed thumps that had vibrated the

2656
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:36,920
walls of my room when the repeated pounding and talents continued.

2657
02:14:37,399 --> 02:14:40,079
Arn grabbed the only weapon he had with which to

2658
02:14:40,159 --> 02:14:44,479
protect himself, a pair of scissors from his grooming kites.

2659
02:14:46,720 --> 02:14:49,039
When he opened the door, Vicious cracked him over the

2660
02:14:49,079 --> 02:14:54,760
head with the chair. Why is a stop? Why is

2661
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:59,279
it funny? Because it's like it's such an unnecessary thing

2662
02:14:59,399 --> 02:15:03,000
to do, you know, like it's such a wrestling thing.

2663
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,800
You know, nobody fucking grabs a chair, knocks on a

2664
02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:08,680
door and smashes somebody with it.

2665
02:15:10,119 --> 02:15:10,439
Speaker 15: Thank you.

2666
02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:13,279
Speaker 8: That's what That's the kind of perspective I'm looking for,

2667
02:15:13,880 --> 02:15:16,640
you know, like nobody fucking does that. Like this guy

2668
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:18,840
doesn't know the difference between a wrestling fight and a

2669
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,960
real fight like he does. He'll hurt you, for real,

2670
02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:23,279
But some of the history onics in there will make

2671
02:15:23,319 --> 02:15:24,479
you wonder if it's a work.

2672
02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:27,520
Speaker 3: Like you, if you're gonna hurt, if you're gonna fight somebody,

2673
02:15:27,600 --> 02:15:28,600
you just fucking fight them.

2674
02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:31,720
Speaker 8: You know, you don't cut a promo, We're gonna finish this.

2675
02:15:32,079 --> 02:15:33,479
You don't make a big scene out of banging on

2676
02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:40,319
his door. Definitely don't go and get a squeegee. Such

2677
02:15:40,359 --> 02:15:40,840
a gimmick.

2678
02:15:40,920 --> 02:15:45,239
Speaker 3: This guy, he's such a goof The two then wrestled

2679
02:15:45,279 --> 02:15:48,159
for control of the shears, stabbing each other as they

2680
02:15:48,279 --> 02:15:51,920
bounced off the walls. God, if you would scored the

2681
02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:55,279
fight from the gashes scarring both men's bodies, Sid would

2682
02:15:55,279 --> 02:15:58,359
be declared the winner. But judging from the sentiments expressed

2683
02:15:58,399 --> 02:16:01,560
by the wrestlers, it was a no contest. Arn was

2684
02:16:01,640 --> 02:16:04,560
the crowd favorite. Oh, it was no contest. Arn was

2685
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:07,920
a crowd favorite. You'd have to know these two guys

2686
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:11,279
to understand why Sid and Arn came from each other.

2687
02:16:11,399 --> 02:16:14,520
From places as far apart as can be, each views

2688
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:18,000
the wrestling business from an entirely opposite perspective. The the

2689
02:16:18,079 --> 02:16:20,880
ease with which Sid came by a success had caused

2690
02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:23,920
him to show little appreciation for his position. For Arn,

2691
02:16:23,960 --> 02:16:25,960
on the other hand, it's a matter of pride. He

2692
02:16:26,039 --> 02:16:27,880
has worked long and hard to rise to the top

2693
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,880
of his game. The respect he shows for his craft

2694
02:16:32,280 --> 02:16:35,639
has been formed by overcoming challenges Sid has never faced.

2695
02:16:36,920 --> 02:16:39,559
Sid is blessed with the genetics of Superman and the

2696
02:16:39,680 --> 02:16:43,239
luck of an irishman, but is shackled by the ignorance

2697
02:16:43,799 --> 02:16:48,760
and arrogance of a street tough hoodlum Wow. He has

2698
02:16:48,799 --> 02:16:51,520
been known to sit out bookings to play softball for

2699
02:16:51,639 --> 02:16:55,280
his hometown team. He thinks nothing of walking out on

2700
02:16:55,360 --> 02:17:04,200
a promotion without regard to contracts. Forget contracts, what about

2701
02:17:04,239 --> 02:17:07,280
doing what's right? What about professionalism? He has repeated these

2702
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:10,200
stones time and again, believing he always will always be

2703
02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:14,399
hired back, and he usually is, despite the fact that

2704
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:17,799
beyond his quote monster look, he is only a mediocre worker.

2705
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:21,360
Sid has repeatedly been rewarded with headlining positions by the

2706
02:17:21,399 --> 02:17:25,040
promoters he screws. That has been his experience. Arn, on

2707
02:17:25,079 --> 02:17:27,559
the other hand, is of average stature and has made

2708
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:29,920
his mark in the wrestling world not on appearance, but

2709
02:17:30,040 --> 02:17:34,200
by perfecting his ring work. His consistently solid performances, along

2710
02:17:34,239 --> 02:17:36,680
with the reputation as a team player, make up for

2711
02:17:36,799 --> 02:17:40,159
the monster look he does not and never can possess.

2712
02:17:41,079 --> 02:17:43,799
His interview skills are second to none. He has agreed

2713
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:46,399
to take pay cuts instead of losing his position, yet

2714
02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:49,479
never short changes the promoters, or his co workers or

2715
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:54,120
the fans. When a prima donna like Sid contentiously accuses

2716
02:17:54,159 --> 02:17:57,399
a dedicated loyalist like Arn of maintaining his position because

2717
02:17:57,399 --> 02:18:00,559
of patronage, there's bound to be a fight. It was

2718
02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:03,639
not surprising that the WCW and ww wrestlers who knew

2719
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:07,520
both men were overwhelmingly in Arn's corner. The immediate reaction

2720
02:18:07,639 --> 02:18:10,000
of the boys on tour was one of sadness. There

2721
02:18:10,079 --> 02:18:13,639
was an outpouring of concern for Arne's health, as well

2722
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:16,440
as uneasiness over how the fight in the press coverage

2723
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:19,840
that followed might affect his position with the company. As

2724
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,319
was often the case, some of the guys found humor

2725
02:18:22,399 --> 02:18:24,440
in what it may had happened. Maybe it was their

2726
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:29,280
way of coping. Perhaps it's a callousness, a callousness, lousness,

2727
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:33,239
no callousness. Sorry, it's a repeated wordigan as a callousness

2728
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:37,399
developed from being exposed to so much lunacy day in

2729
02:18:38,079 --> 02:18:41,639
and day out. It only took hours from Mark Merrow

2730
02:18:41,680 --> 02:18:44,680
and Mark Bagwell to commemorate the incident with a Muhammad

2731
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:47,600
al Li style poem, as delivered by Marrow and his

2732
02:18:47,680 --> 02:18:51,120
best little Richard impersonation. When I'm in the shower, I'm

2733
02:18:51,159 --> 02:18:54,040
afraid to wash my hair. I might open my eyes

2734
02:18:54,079 --> 02:18:59,799
and Psychocid will be standing there in his fucking shower shoes. Yeah,

2735
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,840
some people think I'm crazy, maybe a little touched, But

2736
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:07,319
showers remind me of Sid Vicious too much. When I

2737
02:19:07,360 --> 02:19:09,280
opened the door, he hit me with a chair. I said,

2738
02:19:09,319 --> 02:19:12,120
Sid Vicious, you know that isn't fair. So I got

2739
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:13,920
a pair of scissors and stabbed him in the gut.

2740
02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:16,639
You should have seen Sid Vicious bleed from the cut.

2741
02:19:17,360 --> 02:19:19,879
He staggered and stumbled, and down the hall he fell.

2742
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:22,879
How can you rule the world when you can't even

2743
02:19:22,959 --> 02:19:26,719
rule the hotel? The buzz around the locker room lasted

2744
02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:30,799
for months. The buzz from ringside observers continues to this day.

2745
02:19:31,040 --> 02:19:35,120
Speaker 8: So all that said, what a sid side of the

2746
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:38,079
stabbing incident's story? What does the psycho one have to say?

2747
02:19:38,159 --> 02:19:38,440
Speaker 3: Boss?

2748
02:19:39,399 --> 02:19:44,879
Speaker 8: I didn't do anything. I had nothing to do with

2749
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,040
anything happened to do with Hart Anderson.

2750
02:19:47,559 --> 02:19:48,319
Speaker 3: You be the judge.

2751
02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:50,520
Speaker 8: You hear words from the man himself in a series

2752
02:19:50,559 --> 02:19:52,639
of shoot interviews, and you tell us if that's basically

2753
02:19:52,680 --> 02:19:55,440
what it amounts to what he says? So is it

2754
02:19:55,879 --> 02:19:58,760
pertains the question? What sid side of the stabbing story?

2755
02:19:59,319 --> 02:20:00,559
Let's take a few dabs at it?

2756
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:01,120
Speaker 3: What do you say?

2757
02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:06,479
Speaker 6: Let's do it exactly what happened? We were in a

2758
02:20:06,559 --> 02:20:12,120
board and I just wait you some food.

2759
02:20:13,000 --> 02:20:16,639
Speaker 7: We're all on the table drinking, and somebody brought the

2760
02:20:16,719 --> 02:20:21,040
question and I think asked on a question, what's wrong

2761
02:20:21,079 --> 02:20:22,559
in our business while we're drawing?

2762
02:20:22,879 --> 02:20:23,760
Speaker 6: Like the other company?

2763
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:27,760
Speaker 7: Is that the one thing about me is man, I mean,

2764
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:30,879
if you can't be honest, you can be honest with

2765
02:20:30,959 --> 02:20:33,799
me because you can't hurt my feelings because I'll just say, man,

2766
02:20:33,879 --> 02:20:34,440
it's not true.

2767
02:20:34,559 --> 02:20:35,040
Speaker 6: I am better.

2768
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:37,879
Speaker 3: What do you think there can't hurt his feelings?

2769
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:40,879
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, yeah, And that's a great that's a great

2770
02:20:40,959 --> 02:20:43,239
question to ask, you know, like why is our business down?

2771
02:20:43,799 --> 02:20:44,040
Speaker 3: Sure?

2772
02:20:44,319 --> 02:20:47,159
Speaker 8: Sure, because I'm sure the answer will be, well, it

2773
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:49,479
won't cause any fights at all, of course.

2774
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:51,920
Speaker 7: But what I thought I was wrong with the business.

2775
02:20:51,959 --> 02:20:53,639
And that's what I said. It's what I'm saying. I said, well,

2776
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:56,239
it's our business. We get a fucking old man named

2777
02:20:56,280 --> 02:20:58,280
Ric Flair. Need to get the fuck out of way.

2778
02:20:58,959 --> 02:21:01,799
Listen to guys. The thing about the business is that

2779
02:21:02,479 --> 02:21:05,959
why you have to, you know, revolve talent because people

2780
02:21:06,040 --> 02:21:07,000
do get burned out.

2781
02:21:07,159 --> 02:21:08,719
Speaker 6: And I think that's proven.

2782
02:21:09,239 --> 02:21:12,239
Speaker 7: I mean I think that was proven there the fact

2783
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:14,520
that they're released for him to go to w W

2784
02:21:14,680 --> 02:21:16,920
F you they never thought that would have ever happened,

2785
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:18,799
but it did and now you know.

2786
02:21:19,399 --> 02:21:21,959
Speaker 6: But anyway, so we get to start the argument.

2787
02:21:22,360 --> 02:21:24,079
Speaker 3: I had a question, real quick, boss, can you help

2788
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:24,399
me with this?

2789
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:25,200
Speaker 6: Yes?

2790
02:21:25,479 --> 02:21:28,520
Speaker 8: What would w CW have done if they agreed with

2791
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:31,639
Sid and stuck with his dumb ass and then Stargate

2792
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:36,920
happened and they had no main event? Having Rick Flair

2793
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:39,040
around then seemed to make a lot of sense, didn't it.

2794
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:44,159
Let's go with Sid's version so that we don't hire

2795
02:21:44,239 --> 02:21:46,040
Ric Flair, the only guy who can save our ass

2796
02:21:46,120 --> 02:21:46,559
on this show.

2797
02:21:46,680 --> 02:21:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think you don't. And I think what

2798
02:21:49,799 --> 02:21:54,920
happens is despite despite getting you know, stab and stabbing

2799
02:21:55,079 --> 02:21:59,840
and doing all sorts and having a completely unnecessary and

2800
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:07,440
completely inappropriate fight, Sid main events Starcade ninety three by

2801
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:11,760
himself is what happens, and he faces himself for the title,

2802
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:13,399
and then.

2803
02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:18,079
Speaker 7: We got the little, you know, verbal argument, and I

2804
02:22:18,159 --> 02:22:20,520
think he's shung beers in my face in the bar,

2805
02:22:21,719 --> 02:22:23,559
and then as I was going into my room.

2806
02:22:24,760 --> 02:22:27,719
Speaker 8: I think, do you think is he is? I swear

2807
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:34,200
to god, it sounds like he's like chewing dip no tobacco.

2808
02:22:34,799 --> 02:22:37,040
This is nineteen ninety seven R video shoot, and I've

2809
02:22:37,079 --> 02:22:38,639
seen the video of it. It doesn't seem that way

2810
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:39,360
when you watch it, but.

2811
02:22:39,399 --> 02:22:41,760
Speaker 3: All right, all right, it definitely sounds like he is

2812
02:22:42,879 --> 02:22:45,760
he's dipping. It's either that or he sounds like someone

2813
02:22:45,799 --> 02:22:48,799
who would dip. Do you know what I mean? Someone

2814
02:22:48,799 --> 02:22:50,479
who sounds like in and out every now and again.

2815
02:22:50,520 --> 02:22:53,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, he does dip. The story of his life

2816
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:57,639
the dip man. I love that phraseology. I think Arn

2817
02:22:57,719 --> 02:23:01,799
threw a beer at me. Yeah, like he's he's trying.

2818
02:23:01,840 --> 02:23:03,719
I think to say somethings along the way that make

2819
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:04,920
an Arn's fault, even.

2820
02:23:04,760 --> 02:23:08,719
Speaker 3: If, of course or fault, no question.

2821
02:23:08,879 --> 02:23:10,600
Speaker 8: I mean, would you forget in a situation like this,

2822
02:23:10,719 --> 02:23:12,479
if someone never would be never to start.

2823
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:14,600
Speaker 3: I don't care how fucking drunk you are, exactly, you

2824
02:23:14,680 --> 02:23:15,959
don't forget this kind of ship.

2825
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:19,200
Speaker 7: Bunch of guys were in the hallway and he broke

2826
02:23:19,239 --> 02:23:22,319
a beer bottle and threatened to cut me. Then in

2827
02:23:22,399 --> 02:23:24,479
my room was only just a few rooms down for him.

2828
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:26,959
Like I came past his room, took the left, four

2829
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:30,000
doors was my room, you know, Like we got in

2830
02:23:30,040 --> 02:23:31,079
there there what food was?

2831
02:23:32,040 --> 02:23:34,559
Speaker 8: So sid has introduced this fact that we did not

2832
02:23:34,639 --> 02:23:36,920
hear from two cold Scorpio, that we did not hear

2833
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:39,639
from a Gary Michael capetto which, in all fairness, you know,

2834
02:23:39,719 --> 02:23:42,280
they don't claim to be eyewitnesses from the very from

2835
02:23:42,319 --> 02:23:47,000
the very inception of the confrontation on the hotel floor.

2836
02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:49,840
But Sid just added that Arn threatened him with a

2837
02:23:49,879 --> 02:23:52,799
broken off beer bottle, which I've never heard. I heard

2838
02:23:52,879 --> 02:23:55,520
Arn was in his room and Sid goes to the door.

2839
02:23:55,559 --> 02:23:57,879
But okay, we'll grant that for the psychoed one.

2840
02:23:59,399 --> 02:24:02,079
Speaker 3: What's that to say, no, no, he's he's absolutely right,

2841
02:24:02,159 --> 02:24:05,280
there's I mean, I also heard that that there were

2842
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:11,479
a couple uh uh hotel employees who were you know,

2843
02:24:11,600 --> 02:24:15,840
holding him hostage with bows and arrows as well at

2844
02:24:15,959 --> 02:24:17,920
arrow point, yes, exactly.

2845
02:24:17,799 --> 02:24:19,399
Speaker 6: Going to the bar, but actually came to my room,

2846
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:20,760
I said, being part of the sandwiches.

2847
02:24:21,479 --> 02:24:23,239
Speaker 8: So talking about the sandwiches and where the food went,

2848
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:28,680
that's a fucking relevant detail. Sandwiches are crucial to the

2849
02:24:28,719 --> 02:24:30,440
store in the room, they're not at the bar.

2850
02:24:31,319 --> 02:24:33,680
Speaker 6: I said, Man, it's not sucking, you know, I mean,

2851
02:24:33,719 --> 02:24:34,639
I've got a bad temper.

2852
02:24:34,719 --> 02:24:37,159
Speaker 7: Two said, he just fucking stripped me from bear in

2853
02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:38,719
my face and then just fucking treated me with a

2854
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:44,559
beer bottle broken I said, all fucking line. So there's

2855
02:24:44,559 --> 02:24:46,879
a chair, it's like that, but you're not the leg

2856
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:48,600
off I was whacking star.

2857
02:24:48,719 --> 02:24:51,399
Speaker 8: We had a couple of times who instead of just

2858
02:24:51,440 --> 02:24:54,319
swinging the chair, breaks the leg off of it.

2859
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:59,440
Speaker 3: Well, you know you you you want to You want

2860
02:24:59,479 --> 02:25:01,319
to break the leg GoF of it for sure? Why

2861
02:25:01,719 --> 02:25:04,399
because then you have the sharp wood so you can

2862
02:25:04,479 --> 02:25:08,280
stab him right exactly. But obviously you want to take

2863
02:25:08,319 --> 02:25:11,440
the time and the energy when you're in the midst

2864
02:25:11,479 --> 02:25:14,399
of preparing for battle in order to.

2865
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:19,879
Speaker 8: And then somehow argue that this wasn't premeditated, even though

2866
02:25:19,920 --> 02:25:22,319
you went to the trouble of manufacturing an items that

2867
02:25:22,440 --> 02:25:22,920
can stab.

2868
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:27,600
Speaker 3: I will say this regarding said, there is nothing within

2869
02:25:27,719 --> 02:25:31,879
him that says he studies any sort of meditation whatsoever.

2870
02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:34,680
Speaker 7: So when I got back down, there was no one

2871
02:25:34,719 --> 02:25:38,040
in the hallway because do worship. So I knocked on

2872
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:38,840
the door. I said, come on.

2873
02:25:38,879 --> 02:25:41,000
Speaker 6: Out here, motherfucker, you bring your here about it?

2874
02:25:41,079 --> 02:25:44,040
Speaker 7: Whatever some words are exchange I could want of hearing

2875
02:25:45,079 --> 02:25:48,239
I heard even falling around still around of thought. I said,

2876
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:51,440
he's fucked up as bad as I am, you know,

2877
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:54,239
and down get to realize what I was doing, I said,

2878
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:55,360
This is fucking stupid.

2879
02:25:58,600 --> 02:26:03,159
Speaker 8: You can uh incoming alibi ready to tell when he

2880
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:04,799
takes that kind of a pregnant pause.

2881
02:26:05,200 --> 02:26:09,799
Speaker 7: Look at the records that the police had. The stick

2882
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:11,319
that he says I hit him with, was he never

2883
02:26:11,399 --> 02:26:14,840
touched him? Was twenty feet the opposite way of where

2884
02:26:14,879 --> 02:26:15,680
the fight happened.

2885
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:20,680
Speaker 8: Now, okay, what he says that the stick that Arn

2886
02:26:20,959 --> 02:26:23,200
would claim later that he attacked him with from the chair,

2887
02:26:23,520 --> 02:26:25,520
that he never touched on with the stick, And in fact,

2888
02:26:26,079 --> 02:26:28,159
for some reason, he doesn't want to say why the

2889
02:26:28,200 --> 02:26:30,559
stick was twenty feet from where the fight actually unfolded.

2890
02:26:31,000 --> 02:26:35,440
Speaker 3: Well, because I mean, couldn't someone have thrown it? Yes,

2891
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:37,520
it's a not a potential you know, reality there.

2892
02:26:37,559 --> 02:26:42,959
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I'm no professional estimator, but twenty

2893
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,239
feet it's not that.

2894
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:45,440
Speaker 3: Far from the city.

2895
02:26:45,559 --> 02:26:49,799
Speaker 8: Not, I mean, that's an easy throw for sure, you know.

2896
02:26:50,639 --> 02:26:52,719
And he wants us to look at the police records. Okay, yeah,

2897
02:26:52,920 --> 02:26:55,040
let me go over to what is it, the Blackwell,

2898
02:26:55,120 --> 02:26:57,280
England Police Department and pull those real quick.

2899
02:26:57,600 --> 02:26:59,639
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm actually disappointed that you didn't do it.

2900
02:27:00,200 --> 02:27:01,840
Don't fucking don't don't come with that.

2901
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:05,559
Speaker 6: One drop of blood, one dinner.

2902
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:08,959
Speaker 7: It would have been hit or nothing. And I went

2903
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:11,840
to the rest of it, so arnt come out? I left, turned,

2904
02:27:12,360 --> 02:27:14,719
turned my back in the door open. I turned around.

2905
02:27:14,760 --> 02:27:17,399
Aren't sitting near a pair of scissors? And I went

2906
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:19,479
just like this as a man. Hey, this is called

2907
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:23,159
to fucking far. And then I remember coming after me,

2908
02:27:23,399 --> 02:27:25,079
all right, So he coming after me. I don't really

2909
02:27:25,079 --> 02:27:30,799
remember getting stabbed in the in the beginning. And he

2910
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:34,079
were in some two doors in the corridor, and he

2911
02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:36,280
backed me up there and I had nowhere to fucking run.

2912
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:39,000
And when he came into me, he got close to me.

2913
02:27:39,079 --> 02:27:41,840
When he did, I think any one time, and he

2914
02:27:41,959 --> 02:27:47,120
fell down like at my feet. When he did, I

2915
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:49,600
looked at him, and then now the corner of my eye,

2916
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:51,600
I saw the scissors fall. They were falling out of

2917
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:55,040
my stomach, and I got the scar right there. So

2918
02:27:55,360 --> 02:27:57,200
when I saw the scissors fall, and now I realized

2919
02:27:57,239 --> 02:27:59,639
I've been stabbed, But I didn't feel it in my

2920
02:27:59,719 --> 02:28:02,959
face in my hands. Then he launched back for him

2921
02:28:03,000 --> 02:28:05,520
a second time, and the face are gon first.

2922
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:10,040
Speaker 8: Okay, so why would you feel it in his face

2923
02:28:10,079 --> 02:28:13,200
in his hands? He got stabbed on his face in

2924
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:15,159
his hands as well as oh he did got Yeah,

2925
02:28:15,159 --> 02:28:17,639
he had scrapes and cruising for sure.

2926
02:28:18,440 --> 02:28:20,200
Speaker 3: He says, I stabbed in my cup. I didn't feel

2927
02:28:20,200 --> 02:28:22,799
it my face in my hands, like, yeah, because you

2928
02:28:22,840 --> 02:28:24,719
didn't get stabbed there, but I guess he did. Yeah.

2929
02:28:24,760 --> 02:28:26,399
Speaker 8: Later he would find that he had those wounds, but

2930
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:29,239
you know they're not They weren't as obvious to him.

2931
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:32,040
So his thing is he just clubbed Arn. Basically, he

2932
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:34,600
fell and the scissors fell, and then the franks before

2933
02:28:34,639 --> 02:28:37,479
he clubbed him, he Sid got Arn got some shots in,

2934
02:28:37,639 --> 02:28:40,399
some stabs in really that he didn't realize, and the

2935
02:28:40,600 --> 02:28:43,280
scissors fall out of Sid's stomach, and then Arn goes

2936
02:28:43,360 --> 02:28:46,600
to grab him again and Sid gets the scissors away. Now,

2937
02:28:49,000 --> 02:28:51,079
I mean, obviously it's who knows what we would do

2938
02:28:51,159 --> 02:28:54,280
in a situation like that. But if I came into

2939
02:28:54,319 --> 02:28:56,520
the confrontation thinking this has gone too far, you have

2940
02:28:56,600 --> 02:28:59,360
scissors in your hand, and then he goes ahead and

2941
02:28:59,479 --> 02:29:01,719
proves that, and then I get control of the scissors,

2942
02:29:01,760 --> 02:29:03,200
and he's so drunk that I didn't even think it

2943
02:29:03,239 --> 02:29:04,520
was worth fighting him in the first place.

2944
02:29:05,000 --> 02:29:05,319
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2945
02:29:05,399 --> 02:29:08,120
Speaker 8: I'd like to tell myself that my first thought wouldn't

2946
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:09,719
be can I stab this guy forty five.

2947
02:29:09,719 --> 02:29:10,760
Speaker 3: Times in return?

2948
02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:15,239
Speaker 8: It doesn't it It seems like, you know, the fact pattern,

2949
02:29:15,239 --> 02:29:17,000
even though I'm hurt, is kind of in my favor

2950
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:18,719
at this point. And if I do that, then all

2951
02:29:18,719 --> 02:29:21,760
of a sudden, I'm the problem. But we'll see, yeah,

2952
02:29:21,760 --> 02:29:22,000
I don't.

2953
02:29:22,120 --> 02:29:28,159
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then I don't. Happened so fast, there's like

2954
02:29:28,280 --> 02:29:31,319
a nightmare, you know, And I remember.

2955
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:36,920
Speaker 7: I think somebody said him or somebody Walton Hollis made

2956
02:29:36,920 --> 02:29:40,440
her killing me, killing me or something, and I had

2957
02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:41,479
the scissors in my hand.

2958
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:45,479
Speaker 8: Ah, so he went completely blank and was actually stabbing

2959
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:46,000
you catch that?

2960
02:29:46,120 --> 02:29:46,280
Speaker 15: Ah?

2961
02:29:46,440 --> 02:29:46,600
Speaker 6: Yes?

2962
02:29:46,760 --> 02:29:52,479
Speaker 3: The uh the momentary lapse of sanity.

2963
02:29:52,280 --> 02:29:54,399
Speaker 8: That's right, Yeah, which can be a criminal defense. You know,

2964
02:29:54,440 --> 02:29:56,920
if you argue that in the time that you actually

2965
02:29:57,159 --> 02:30:01,840
began the fatal attack, you you were basically and incapable

2966
02:30:01,879 --> 02:30:04,079
of rendering a decision as to what it was you

2967
02:30:04,159 --> 02:30:07,280
were doing, that that can be you know, it's called

2968
02:30:07,319 --> 02:30:08,319
the insanity defense.

2969
02:30:08,399 --> 02:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes.

2970
02:30:08,920 --> 02:30:12,840
Speaker 8: Yes it's fake, right, but it's it's less about insanity

2971
02:30:12,920 --> 02:30:14,639
and about whether in that moment you were in a

2972
02:30:14,719 --> 02:30:17,399
state of mind to form the intent to hurt somebody.

2973
02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:20,159
Doesn't mean you you're going to get acquitted for sure,

2974
02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:22,719
but it might make the difference between murder one, you

2975
02:30:22,760 --> 02:30:24,440
know what I mean, murder two or manslaughter.

2976
02:30:24,639 --> 02:30:27,680
Speaker 7: Right. I looked down and I saw him, A fuck,

2977
02:30:28,719 --> 02:30:30,959
he's fucked up. So I threw the fucking scissors as

2978
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:33,280
far as I could. I've been to him to actually

2979
02:30:33,319 --> 02:30:35,000
trying to pick him up and hauling.

2980
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:39,159
Speaker 8: Throw the scissors as far as you threw the chair leg. Yeah,

2981
02:30:39,479 --> 02:30:41,719
what I would love it if he said I threw

2982
02:30:41,959 --> 02:30:45,120
I threw. I threw the scissors forty feet away from me,

2983
02:30:46,079 --> 02:30:49,799
and then he's questioning twenty feet for the fucking chair leg.

2984
02:30:49,920 --> 02:30:51,639
So what I did, Sean, And you know this because

2985
02:30:51,680 --> 02:30:53,719
we talked about my football careers. I got my hands

2986
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:55,079
on the scissors and then I fell back in the

2987
02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:59,959
pocket A I scrambled from about the twenty to the fifteen,

2988
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:03,079
and A launched downfield where the intended receiver was the

2989
02:31:03,159 --> 02:31:05,319
recipient of a pass interference call.

2990
02:31:06,239 --> 02:31:08,840
Speaker 7: Fucking So I danced to call An when I did

2991
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:12,600
blood concussion on my stomach. Now I realized I've been stabbed,

2992
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:14,520
So I'm scared to fucking that all white on.

2993
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:21,399
Speaker 8: Wait a minute, now, he's saying he's now realizing he'd

2994
02:31:21,440 --> 02:31:26,319
been stabbed right, Yes, yes, didn't he say before that

2995
02:31:26,559 --> 02:31:28,920
he saw that the scissors fall out of the side

2996
02:31:28,959 --> 02:31:34,559
of his body before he started stabbing Ron, Well, you're

2997
02:31:34,639 --> 02:31:38,200
forgetting that the scissors can run. Well, I'm not questioning

2998
02:31:38,239 --> 02:31:40,719
the position of the scissors. I'm questioning him saying.

2999
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:43,959
Speaker 3: As scissors move all over the place, they they are

3000
02:31:44,040 --> 02:31:46,040
like it's like a toy story.

3001
02:31:48,799 --> 02:31:51,360
Speaker 8: I mean, this is a horrible situation, but I do

3002
02:31:51,479 --> 02:31:54,079
feel that these are important details. I mean, listen, he

3003
02:31:54,239 --> 02:31:58,040
just claimed to realize he'd been stabbed in two different

3004
02:31:58,079 --> 02:31:59,639
moments apart from each other.

3005
02:32:00,000 --> 02:32:05,159
Speaker 3: Here's the thing about Sid. Okay, honestly, he shouldn't have

3006
02:32:05,239 --> 02:32:08,200
been called Sid vicious. He should have been Sid victim

3007
02:32:10,799 --> 02:32:11,799
because that's what he is.

3008
02:32:12,680 --> 02:32:15,000
Speaker 2: He's a la fan wrestling podcast.

3009
02:32:32,360 --> 02:32:35,680
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and for

3010
02:32:35,760 --> 02:32:38,159
An Seo and JP Sorrow.

3011
02:32:38,280 --> 02:32:41,120
Speaker 7: On the fucking Hallway and then the rest of the rest.

3012
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:44,200
These are some other things that people don't know. We

3013
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:48,520
were supposed to be flowing different flights back, putting different hotels.

3014
02:32:49,239 --> 02:32:50,120
Speaker 6: When I was in the hotel.

3015
02:32:50,360 --> 02:32:54,120
Speaker 7: When I was in the hospital, the police or whatever

3016
02:32:54,159 --> 02:32:56,559
you call it, law enforcement over there, they came in

3017
02:32:56,680 --> 02:32:59,079
my room, trying to get in a press charges against him,

3018
02:32:59,600 --> 02:33:02,479
and said, no, man, I looking press charges against him.

3019
02:33:02,680 --> 02:33:05,920
I said, you know, we're both you know, made mistake

3020
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:09,159
of you know, I don't know how bad he's really hurt.

3021
02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:11,559
You know, I really didn't. That's why you feel it

3022
02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:14,959
was not they don't have one scratch on him, you're

3023
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:18,639
not exports towards surgery already have that stabs him. I said,

3024
02:33:18,639 --> 02:33:22,200
he's not going to scratch on him. And I thought maybe,

3025
02:33:22,440 --> 02:33:24,559
Like I said, that happened so fast. I really don't

3026
02:33:24,559 --> 02:33:29,280
Rember happy this motherfucker. So I was going to press

3027
02:33:29,360 --> 02:33:33,719
charges on him, and then, uh, then that night the

3028
02:33:33,799 --> 02:33:36,120
nurse came over to my room, he said, and you

3029
02:33:36,239 --> 02:33:37,639
finished really messed up.

3030
02:33:38,600 --> 02:33:45,879
Speaker 8: Okay, So the police, who want, for some reason said

3031
02:33:45,959 --> 02:33:49,319
to press charges against Arn, tell him that Arn doesn't

3032
02:33:49,319 --> 02:33:51,479
have a scratch on him, and then a nurse comes

3033
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:53,840
by later and says, your your your friend isn't doing

3034
02:33:53,879 --> 02:33:57,079
too good. Why he would get two different versions of

3035
02:33:57,200 --> 02:33:58,600
Arn Anderson's condition, I don't know.

3036
02:33:58,719 --> 02:33:59,680
Speaker 3: I've never understood.

3037
02:34:00,040 --> 02:34:02,120
Speaker 8: I don't even understand why it's self serving to kind

3038
02:34:02,159 --> 02:34:04,159
of frame it that way. Sometimes I think of it

3039
02:34:04,239 --> 02:34:06,799
that way. Yeah, I mean is the guy okay or not?

3040
02:34:07,440 --> 02:34:07,799
Speaker 3: I don't know.

3041
02:34:09,639 --> 02:34:11,639
Speaker 7: And there a new place where why are Yeah? So

3042
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:15,360
I dropped the charges. All right, Now we get to

3043
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:17,719
go home. I found him in the hotel by myself.

3044
02:34:18,680 --> 02:34:22,440
I go to they on Leaves's boots at the hospital.

3045
02:34:22,840 --> 02:34:25,399
So I took him with me to get him down

3046
02:34:25,440 --> 02:34:26,200
the road somewhere.

3047
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:26,520
Speaker 16: Yeah.

3048
02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:29,440
Speaker 7: I found out that he was at the same hotel

3049
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:31,799
as that, So I just left him at the front

3050
02:34:31,879 --> 02:34:35,600
desk and assumed you did these darn Andersons.

3051
02:34:35,159 --> 02:34:38,319
Speaker 8: And then took out a nine millimeter and started shooting

3052
02:34:38,360 --> 02:34:39,840
out the chandeliers.

3053
02:34:41,479 --> 02:34:43,559
Speaker 3: Just all of a sudden, like took out a pair

3054
02:34:43,559 --> 02:34:48,399
of boozies and just started fucking just overturning like catering trays.

3055
02:34:48,440 --> 02:34:55,840
And just think of Sid. Okay, think of Sid holding

3056
02:34:56,520 --> 02:35:02,479
a pair of automatic weapons and just going bonkers with it.

3057
02:35:02,639 --> 02:35:05,840
It's it's cinematic. I will say that. I can see

3058
02:35:05,879 --> 02:35:10,920
it right now. Yeah, like his face, you know, just

3059
02:35:11,000 --> 02:35:16,520
like with like a like a military green vest on

3060
02:35:16,639 --> 02:35:20,200
but no shirt underneath. Yeah, yeah, oh absolutely, listen, he's yeah,

3061
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:22,159
he looks like he does on the cover of the

3062
02:35:22,920 --> 02:35:26,879
the ninety one War Games. Uh vhs. I knew that

3063
02:35:26,959 --> 02:35:29,000
picture was crystal cleared in my mind for some reason.

3064
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:33,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So I went to a machine drink kildrink

3065
02:35:33,479 --> 02:35:34,159
poke or something.

3066
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:40,000
Speaker 3: What what's the specify that he didn't go get booze?

3067
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:44,200
I guess. But then he says, my godkers, you're gonna

3068
02:35:44,239 --> 02:35:46,319
be in this with that? You said, no, seriously, right?

3069
02:35:46,399 --> 02:35:47,799
Did you get you have a snack too? Did you

3070
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:49,920
get a can? Did you go down to seven eleven

3071
02:35:49,959 --> 02:35:50,760
and get a can of ease?

3072
02:35:52,200 --> 02:36:01,920
Speaker 6: There? I'm sorry. With all the people in the world,

3073
02:36:02,200 --> 02:36:04,840
Arm was the last person I wanted. I wouldn't want

3074
02:36:04,840 --> 02:36:05,200
to do that to.

3075
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:08,239
Speaker 7: Anybody because I had to, but I did not want

3076
02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:09,760
He would have been the last person in the world

3077
02:36:09,799 --> 02:36:13,120
about because he had only been good to me as

3078
02:36:13,159 --> 02:36:14,959
a person. I don't know what anybody said every behind

3079
02:36:15,000 --> 02:36:17,719
my back, face to face. He was always a gentleman,

3080
02:36:17,879 --> 02:36:19,959
and I can only assume he was like that at

3081
02:36:19,959 --> 02:36:20,399
all the time.

3082
02:36:20,959 --> 02:36:21,600
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

3083
02:36:22,239 --> 02:36:24,959
Speaker 7: So I said, well, where does ARM say? And Joey

3084
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:26,639
said that Arm said he was so fucked up they

3085
02:36:26,639 --> 02:36:32,319
can't remember anything, And so that's you know, the true story,

3086
02:36:32,360 --> 02:36:34,639
all right? If Joey magg says, that's not that he's

3087
02:36:34,639 --> 02:36:37,440
a fucking line, and I'll remember those words.

3088
02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:40,319
Speaker 8: I'm not sure where Joey Maggs's version of the story

3089
02:36:40,440 --> 02:36:42,639
is printed, but I know we kind of need that.

3090
02:36:42,920 --> 02:36:45,159
He's going out of his way to talk about Joey

3091
02:36:45,239 --> 02:36:46,479
Maggs and I don't know why.

3092
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:48,200
Speaker 3: But oh, he's got the truth.

3093
02:36:49,479 --> 02:36:52,520
Speaker 7: Exactly. I mean, we're both pretty messed up, you know,

3094
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,879
to the point that they got like that. Everybody was

3095
02:36:56,879 --> 02:36:59,680
I'm not a drinker. I don't drink much. They didn't

3096
02:36:59,680 --> 02:37:01,000
take a lot of alcohol to get me.

3097
02:37:00,959 --> 02:37:05,680
Speaker 6: Into a state of or whatever. We can remember it,

3098
02:37:06,559 --> 02:37:08,120
but that's pretty much how it happened.

3099
02:37:10,079 --> 02:37:14,639
Speaker 3: Thoughts. I see no holes in his stories whatsoever. He

3100
02:37:14,719 --> 02:37:17,879
could excellent. I'm glad we agree on that. It's about

3101
02:37:17,879 --> 02:37:19,639
as iron clad as you can fucking get.

3102
02:37:21,319 --> 02:37:24,840
Speaker 8: I mean, I think one thing we can we can conclude.

3103
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:28,040
Speaker 3: About he's more iron clad than iron Mike Sharp.

3104
02:37:28,280 --> 02:37:31,879
Speaker 8: And that's saying something. I think one thing we can

3105
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:34,159
say for sure about the man after that that version

3106
02:37:34,239 --> 02:37:37,719
is if there's something, if there's a situation where you

3107
02:37:37,799 --> 02:37:39,719
know there's tension in the air and you just have

3108
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:42,639
to make that one remark that will set the other

3109
02:37:42,719 --> 02:37:45,440
guy off. Sid is the guy that will always make.

3110
02:37:45,319 --> 02:37:48,319
Speaker 3: That remark oh yeah, oh yeah. And you know what,

3111
02:37:48,520 --> 02:37:51,000
I don't think he even consciously knows it can't help.

3112
02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:53,239
But exactly, I think it's just like a thing like

3113
02:37:53,319 --> 02:37:55,799
he just this is how he needs to respond, and

3114
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:59,239
you know what, this is the truth. Yep, exactly, this

3115
02:37:59,440 --> 02:37:59,920
is the true.

3116
02:38:00,200 --> 02:38:01,799
Speaker 8: It's really funny you say that, because later on in

3117
02:38:01,879 --> 02:38:04,799
his career he would talk a lot about how he

3118
02:38:04,799 --> 02:38:07,079
would want WWF to talk to his lawyer to negotiate,

3119
02:38:07,159 --> 02:38:08,959
because he's like, you know what's gonna happen if you

3120
02:38:09,040 --> 02:38:11,479
deal directly with me. I'm eventually gonna get pissed off.

3121
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:13,559
I'm gonna say something that's gonna piss you off, and

3122
02:38:13,559 --> 02:38:14,959
the whole thing's going to blow up, and I'm gonna

3123
02:38:14,959 --> 02:38:16,840
be the bad run. So he knows that about himself.

3124
02:38:16,879 --> 02:38:19,680
He knows he can't help it, and that's probably why

3125
02:38:19,719 --> 02:38:22,000
there was blood all over this hotel Halloween English.

3126
02:38:22,000 --> 02:38:24,479
Speaker 3: He knows that he just can't help but tell the truth.

3127
02:38:25,159 --> 02:38:28,159
Speaker 8: So let's do some comparison. He would revisit the story

3128
02:38:28,360 --> 02:38:30,559
that was the nineteen ninety seven R video shoot interview,

3129
02:38:30,559 --> 02:38:32,799
the first shoot interview SID ever did, which I would

3130
02:38:32,920 --> 02:38:34,959
highly recommend to get a flavor of the man when

3131
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:37,920
he was, you know, truly in his money earning prime.

3132
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:39,719
In a lot of ways in wrestling, it's very rare

3133
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:42,399
that you get a star of his caliber doing a

3134
02:38:42,440 --> 02:38:45,760
shoot interview without you know, the business mostly being in

3135
02:38:45,799 --> 02:38:48,360
the rearview mirror. So you get some real raw kind

3136
02:38:48,360 --> 02:38:51,120
of perspective on the WWF run that he had just

3137
02:38:51,159 --> 02:38:53,360
wrapped up, which is which is great because you know,

3138
02:38:54,200 --> 02:38:56,120
it's it's how he really feels instead of like three

3139
02:38:56,200 --> 02:38:58,760
years later they give him a nice front colony softens everything,

3140
02:38:58,879 --> 02:39:01,799
you know. So that's that's worth checking out. And so

3141
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:05,200
was Devin Nicholson stuff that he's done. Because Sid would

3142
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:07,639
go up to Great Great White North Wrestling, which is

3143
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:10,639
Hannibal Devin Nicholson's indie promotion up in Canada, and as

3144
02:39:10,680 --> 02:39:13,479
part of making some shots in the ring and making appearances,

3145
02:39:13,479 --> 02:39:15,120
he would also do these shoot interviews. And so here

3146
02:39:15,239 --> 02:39:19,639
is Sid what probably twenty years later, maybe fifteen years later,

3147
02:39:19,719 --> 02:39:22,760
speaking to Hannibal overcounting more truth.

3148
02:39:22,959 --> 02:39:24,520
Speaker 3: More truth is what you're telling me. We'll see.

3149
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:27,639
Speaker 8: Let's keep our ears especially peeled, and not only you, boss,

3150
02:39:27,719 --> 02:39:29,959
but everybody listening in the Solar system for any points

3151
02:39:29,959 --> 02:39:32,000
of contradiction. I'll try to catch them if I hear them,

3152
02:39:32,360 --> 02:39:35,680
But let's crowdsource this everybody out there too. Feel free

3153
02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:38,159
to hit us up the lapsed fan at gmail dot

3154
02:39:38,200 --> 02:39:40,200
com if there's anything you noticed that doesn't quite job

3155
02:39:40,920 --> 02:39:41,520
what happened.

3156
02:39:41,799 --> 02:39:43,879
Speaker 7: We got into an argument while we're all waiting on

3157
02:39:44,120 --> 02:39:46,520
fearing the lot in the bar, we thought it was

3158
02:39:46,520 --> 02:39:48,120
coming there was actually going to our rooms.

3159
02:39:49,000 --> 02:39:52,479
Speaker 8: I mean, why does he Why is that an important detail?

3160
02:39:52,520 --> 02:39:54,920
I'm killing myself trying to figure out what he thinks

3161
02:39:55,000 --> 02:39:56,719
that does to soften the blow for him.

3162
02:39:57,040 --> 02:40:00,760
Speaker 3: Any guesses like who care? I mean, I guess that's

3163
02:40:00,799 --> 02:40:04,360
the reason why they would be upstairs altogether. Yes, yeah,

3164
02:40:05,079 --> 02:40:08,479
maybe he's trying not like why I guess maybe even

3165
02:40:08,600 --> 02:40:12,479
like why they'd be out and about, yeah, or why

3166
02:40:12,559 --> 02:40:13,200
he'd be out.

3167
02:40:13,079 --> 02:40:15,840
Speaker 8: Of his room potentially not in his ass falling asleep. Yeah,

3168
02:40:15,879 --> 02:40:18,399
exactly right, Yeah, you're right, you know, I know you're

3169
02:40:18,479 --> 02:40:20,799
you're helping me realize something. What it probably is is

3170
02:40:20,840 --> 02:40:24,719
he's probably trying to minimize how drunk he was, because

3171
02:40:24,760 --> 02:40:26,799
he's giving a reason that they're at the bar, if

3172
02:40:26,879 --> 02:40:29,760
not to drink, Right, here's a reason to be at

3173
02:40:29,799 --> 02:40:32,879
the bar. Instead of just getting obnoxiously intoxicated. We're at

3174
02:40:32,920 --> 02:40:34,440
the bar because we think that's where our food's going

3175
02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:34,600
to be.

3176
02:40:34,760 --> 02:40:35,319
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.

3177
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:37,479
Speaker 8: So if those sons of bitches had told us where

3178
02:40:37,479 --> 02:40:39,719
the food was going to be, Arnwood run stabbed. That's

3179
02:40:39,799 --> 02:40:41,920
that's my Jesus Jesus Christ.

3180
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:46,600
Speaker 7: They got brought up, what's frown the business? And everybody said,

3181
02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:49,639
I've said it out loud, said Flair just needs it,

3182
02:40:49,799 --> 02:40:52,319
you know, not worry about his job. He's got his job.

3183
02:40:52,360 --> 02:40:53,639
We all got guaranteed money.

3184
02:40:54,120 --> 02:40:56,079
Speaker 8: That's way softer than what he said the first time

3185
02:40:56,079 --> 02:40:58,319
about old man needs to get the fuck out of

3186
02:40:58,319 --> 02:41:00,040
the way versus don't worry about your job man, And

3187
02:41:00,120 --> 02:41:01,239
it's all good. We're all winning here.

3188
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:03,760
Speaker 3: No that's not what you said. No, we're all we're

3189
02:41:03,799 --> 02:41:05,760
on the same side here. There's no way with that

3190
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:07,920
proviso that arn flies off the handle like that.

3191
02:41:09,200 --> 02:41:12,120
Speaker 7: Just step back and let somebody else know go forward.

3192
02:41:12,280 --> 02:41:14,760
You're not you're not getting a pay cut. So I

3193
02:41:14,799 --> 02:41:16,239
any got upset and hit me in the head with

3194
02:41:16,280 --> 02:41:19,159
a beer bottle, and so of course, you know, everybody

3195
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,760
started breaking with the fight, and then we had security there.

3196
02:41:21,799 --> 02:41:22,959
Speaker 6: So as I'm going to my room.

3197
02:41:23,879 --> 02:41:27,079
Speaker 7: You know, the security from Charlotte's name is Doug something

3198
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:29,879
that came out of tell Enginer, Doug Dillingdry. So they

3199
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:31,840
were all out there and arn. Now he cracks the

3200
02:41:31,879 --> 02:41:35,200
bare bald. He tries to stand you with it. I went, no, motherfucker,

3201
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:36,079
this ain't gonna happen.

3202
02:41:36,159 --> 02:41:37,120
Speaker 3: So I go to my room.

3203
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:39,440
Speaker 7: There's a chair in there, and I tear off an

3204
02:41:39,520 --> 02:41:41,120
arm off of so I'm gonna go back and walking

3205
02:41:41,200 --> 02:41:43,000
in the head with it. Now I get down. There's

3206
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:45,719
nobody in the hallway. Now, so I knock on the door.

3207
02:41:46,200 --> 02:41:49,040
I hear arms stumbling around. I actually think I hear

3208
02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:52,000
him fall. I say, he's two drugs. So I take

3209
02:41:52,040 --> 02:41:54,440
the arm and I toss it the opposite way I'm going.

3210
02:41:55,159 --> 02:41:57,559
Speaker 3: So now he he says, he tosses it.

3211
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:00,200
Speaker 8: Whereas the first instance, if I'm not mistake, and then

3212
02:42:00,239 --> 02:42:02,680
maybe a closer examination, I might be wrong. But he

3213
02:42:02,719 --> 02:42:04,600
doesn't never say he throws it. He just points out

3214
02:42:04,639 --> 02:42:07,360
that it was twenty feet away, right to excuse the

3215
02:42:07,399 --> 02:42:12,200
possibility that he, you know, initiated the first kind of

3216
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:15,920
really serious contact that would perhaps go towards justifying a

3217
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:19,319
counter attack with scissors hmmm. This time he threw it

3218
02:42:19,479 --> 02:42:20,959
down the thing, so you got that on.

3219
02:42:21,120 --> 02:42:22,440
Speaker 3: He never hit you with it. Do you agree with that?

3220
02:42:22,559 --> 02:42:23,120
We'll find out.

3221
02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:25,600
Speaker 7: As soon as I turn to hear the door open

3222
02:42:25,719 --> 02:42:28,319
and I turned around, he starts going after me. He

3223
02:42:28,440 --> 02:42:30,639
comes on to me, he gets her closed. I don't

3224
02:42:30,639 --> 02:42:32,520
really realize him that's where he stick stabs me in

3225
02:42:32,559 --> 02:42:34,600
the stomach, but he does. I just one time he

3226
02:42:34,719 --> 02:42:37,879
drops when he drops his feet of my feet, and

3227
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:40,600
now on my preferal vision, I see the scissors follow

3228
02:42:40,600 --> 02:42:43,600
at our feet and he's not No, I didn't knock

3229
02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:45,840
him out, just enough to knock him off of me.

3230
02:42:45,879 --> 02:42:46,399
Speaker 6: To the ground.

3231
02:42:46,959 --> 02:42:49,000
Speaker 8: It's now the he sees the scissors at his feet,

3232
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:51,120
whereas I'm pretty sure in the first one he framed

3233
02:42:51,159 --> 02:42:53,239
it as it fell out of my side and I

3234
02:42:53,319 --> 02:42:55,879
realized that he was stabbed. Now he doesn't have that.

3235
02:42:56,040 --> 02:42:59,360
Two different times he realized he was stabbed. Problem and

3236
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:01,559
he had the scissors first, right, he had this is first.

3237
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:04,559
Speaker 7: Now he lounges for the scissors the second time, and

3238
02:43:04,680 --> 02:43:07,280
this time I give him first, and then I'm stabbing

3239
02:43:07,440 --> 02:43:09,559
back because at that point you're thinking it's a.

3240
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:11,280
Speaker 6: Life, for it is a life for death. I mean,

3241
02:43:11,360 --> 02:43:12,319
I don't know what I mean.

3242
02:43:12,559 --> 02:43:14,840
Speaker 7: I gotta stabbed three times here in my face and

3243
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:16,879
once here. But I'll be honest with you, I never

3244
02:43:16,959 --> 02:43:21,200
realized I was stabbed. I never knew it until when

3245
02:43:22,719 --> 02:43:25,120
co Scorpio said, I guess it was him. He says, hey, man,

3246
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:27,959
you're killing dude. And I had got horned by the

3247
02:43:28,000 --> 02:43:29,559
back of the neck and I'm stabbed and he may

3248
02:43:29,559 --> 02:43:30,000
ever work.

3249
02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:33,479
Speaker 8: Okay, think about that. He's got armed by the back

3250
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:35,360
of the neck, having dropped him, and he is just

3251
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:36,719
stabbing him.

3252
02:43:37,479 --> 02:43:38,280
Speaker 3: Can you picture this.

3253
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:45,520
Speaker 8: I mean, it's horrifying, just going and going and going blackout.

3254
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:49,319
He sees red and he's not gonna stop boss until

3255
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:58,399
arn isn't moving anymore. Great guy, you know, definitely definitely

3256
02:43:59,319 --> 02:44:02,239
nor family man, I mean normal and uh you know,

3257
02:44:02,600 --> 02:44:06,040
just certainly somebody who knows how to hold their temper.

3258
02:44:09,719 --> 02:44:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we used to, you say sarcastically. No,

3259
02:44:13,600 --> 02:44:17,120
I'm dead serious, all right, you know, he's yeah, he's

3260
02:44:17,159 --> 02:44:21,639
a he's a what do you want? I know where

3261
02:44:21,680 --> 02:44:21,920
to run?

3262
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:23,319
Speaker 8: And when he came into this from the first one,

3263
02:44:23,360 --> 02:44:25,920
he got close to me failed down at my feet,

3264
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:27,079
and when I did, I looked at him, and then

3265
02:44:27,120 --> 02:44:28,239
out of the corner of my eye, I saw the

3266
02:44:28,239 --> 02:44:30,719
scissors fall. They were falling out of my stomach. Yep,

3267
02:44:30,760 --> 02:44:31,440
okay he did.

3268
02:44:32,079 --> 02:44:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3269
02:44:32,440 --> 02:44:35,399
Speaker 8: The first time he said he saw the things fall

3270
02:44:35,479 --> 02:44:37,559
out of his stomach, and the second the scissors, and

3271
02:44:37,600 --> 02:44:38,840
the second time he saw them on the.

3272
02:44:38,840 --> 02:44:42,479
Speaker 6: Floor and hitting him with also not just stabbing him

3273
02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:44,479
but hitting him as well. And then it hits me.

3274
02:44:44,520 --> 02:44:47,719
Speaker 8: I'm standing over, I'm going I think it was a

3275
02:44:47,719 --> 02:44:50,399
scorpio that said he in this position sid is not

3276
02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:52,440
only stabbing, but he's kicking aren't in the head when

3277
02:44:52,440 --> 02:44:52,959
he's on the ground.

3278
02:44:53,000 --> 02:44:53,319
Speaker 3: Can you pick?

3279
02:44:53,440 --> 02:44:56,440
Speaker 8: Oh my god, those short shin kicks, those Kwada style kickers.

3280
02:44:56,479 --> 02:44:59,840
Speaker 3: Stuff. Fucking ah. I need your help on the sound

3281
02:44:59,840 --> 02:45:05,280
of X for this. Oh it's probably something just like.

3282
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:17,639
Speaker 8: To let it out, boss. This is your moment you've

3283
02:45:17,680 --> 02:45:19,360
been you've been looking for this release.

3284
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:33,239
Speaker 19: Come on, God, I gets cut into the throat.

3285
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:40,120
Speaker 3: I never heard that he's he's stabbed him like twenty times.

3286
02:45:42,879 --> 02:45:46,600
Speaker 8: I mean, that was that was so much worse than

3287
02:45:46,639 --> 02:45:48,639
I expected it to be with the sound he came

3288
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:50,440
up with, and.

3289
02:45:50,520 --> 02:45:52,959
Speaker 6: What's going on here? So I takes decision. I'm going

3290
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:53,840
other ways.

3291
02:45:53,879 --> 02:45:56,399
Speaker 7: I could from both of us, so I said, he's

3292
02:45:56,440 --> 02:45:58,479
hard man, so I reached over to grab him. When

3293
02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:00,000
I did, blood comes out.

3294
02:46:00,159 --> 02:46:00,200
Speaker 3: Me.

3295
02:46:00,399 --> 02:46:03,360
Speaker 6: Hits the wall. Now I realize I'm stabbed as well.

3296
02:46:03,959 --> 02:46:06,319
So that's when I go to the lobby, and that's

3297
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:07,079
where Bader is.

3298
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:10,360
Speaker 8: Okay, I'll mention Evader in the first story.

3299
02:46:10,559 --> 02:46:14,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, and was there ever any legal ramifications of that?

3300
02:46:14,719 --> 02:46:16,680
Speaker 7: This The thing is, they came to me and said,

3301
02:46:17,559 --> 02:46:20,079
you know, we want you to press charges. I said, no,

3302
02:46:20,200 --> 02:46:22,639
I'm not gonna press charges. And then they came back

3303
02:46:22,680 --> 02:46:24,159
to the next day try to get their press charges.

3304
02:46:24,200 --> 02:46:27,319
I said, you know what I mean, I'm messed up,

3305
02:46:27,399 --> 02:46:29,239
and I know he's messed up, so I'm not gonna work.

3306
02:46:29,239 --> 02:46:31,040
I'm not gonna press charges. And then they said to

3307
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:36,120
me he didn't have a scratch onning. I'm so hold on, man,

3308
02:46:37,319 --> 02:46:40,479
they can't be true, but maybe possible.

3309
02:46:40,559 --> 02:46:46,559
Speaker 8: So that can't be true, but maybe possible said.

3310
02:46:47,399 --> 02:46:49,079
Speaker 3: That's that should be the name of his book.

3311
02:46:50,399 --> 02:46:52,399
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, I'm gonna press charges if they go back

3312
02:46:52,440 --> 02:46:55,159
and get the paperwork to come back. Well, that night,

3313
02:46:55,239 --> 02:46:58,200
the nurse comes in my room and I said something.

3314
02:46:58,280 --> 02:47:00,760
I said, well, How's how's the She said, how are

3315
02:47:00,799 --> 02:47:04,879
you doing? I said, okay, your friend's not doing Okay,

3316
02:47:05,280 --> 02:47:07,600
don't really there's these comps.

3317
02:47:07,479 --> 02:47:08,680
Speaker 6: Just told me that he didn't.

3318
02:47:08,840 --> 02:47:11,920
Speaker 8: What what makes this nurse think that that guy is

3319
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:14,159
Sid's friend? He just almost killed him?

3320
02:47:15,399 --> 02:47:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

3321
02:47:17,559 --> 02:47:20,799
Speaker 6: What I what?

3322
02:47:22,239 --> 02:47:26,399
Speaker 3: Your friend's not doing? What happened to Harvey's what happened? Yeah?

3323
02:47:26,440 --> 02:47:30,440
Where's where's Harvin's? Where's Nick? Busick?

3324
02:47:33,239 --> 02:47:35,520
Speaker 6: And a scratch on him? So I walked down the

3325
02:47:35,559 --> 02:47:37,600
hall and looked in his room. He was messed up.

3326
02:47:38,040 --> 02:47:39,799
Speaker 7: So when they came to the next morning, I said,

3327
02:47:39,799 --> 02:47:43,399
I'm not signing that. Okay, see how life is. So

3328
02:47:43,440 --> 02:47:47,319
when I get back home, Lawrence excues me. You know.

3329
02:47:47,399 --> 02:47:49,159
So I had to put a twenty thousand dollars retainer

3330
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:51,360
with a lawyer in Charlotte, which she never got a

3331
02:47:51,440 --> 02:47:51,760
nick of.

3332
02:47:52,360 --> 02:47:53,719
Speaker 6: And I just had to pay a lawyer to get

3333
02:47:53,799 --> 02:47:55,840
him no, because he thought it says how I've got money?

3334
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:58,639
He doesn't. He's gonna get money you get And that's

3335
02:47:58,680 --> 02:48:00,840
how that wow implication the war.

3336
02:48:01,360 --> 02:48:03,319
Speaker 8: That's a Sid shot right there if I've ever heard one.

3337
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:05,200
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

3338
02:48:05,479 --> 02:48:10,120
Speaker 8: In the first instance, he doesn't talk about he says

3339
02:48:10,200 --> 02:48:12,479
no scratch on him, obviously, but he doesn't really talk

3340
02:48:12,520 --> 02:48:17,639
about going to look at Arn to confirm visually, you

3341
02:48:17,719 --> 02:48:22,239
know that visually that he's messed up. You know, he

3342
02:48:22,399 --> 02:48:25,479
just says, I just dropped the charges in the first interview, right,

3343
02:48:25,479 --> 02:48:29,120
and the nurse tells you tells him you know your

3344
02:48:29,159 --> 02:48:31,479
friend's really messed up. So I don't know why you

3345
02:48:31,719 --> 02:48:35,879
leave that detail out of actually observing the damage before

3346
02:48:35,879 --> 02:48:38,559
you leave. But as far as this strange whole thing

3347
02:48:38,639 --> 02:48:42,959
about why even mentioned the charges and everything, I feel

3348
02:48:42,959 --> 02:48:45,040
like there's something about wrestler brain where it's like it's

3349
02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:48,239
not even like an alibi for exoneration. It's there's always

3350
02:48:48,319 --> 02:48:50,399
like this thing of like I could have press charges

3351
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:51,319
against you, motherfucker.

3352
02:48:52,159 --> 02:48:53,559
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I was the bigger man.

3353
02:48:53,760 --> 02:48:53,920
Speaker 6: You know.

3354
02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:57,079
Speaker 8: Somehow Sid has found a way because aren't actually suited him,

3355
02:48:57,079 --> 02:48:59,680
As we'll get to that, he was actually the bigger

3356
02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:06,879
man here because he didn't press charges. I don't you

3357
02:49:06,920 --> 02:49:08,840
know what, Arn, Why don't you thank Sid? That's the

3358
02:49:08,920 --> 02:49:11,479
real question. Why doesn't somebody ask Carn and or some

3359
02:49:11,559 --> 02:49:12,680
one of that that it's I.

3360
02:49:12,719 --> 02:49:16,520
Speaker 3: Honestly don't understand why why Arn isnngrateful that that Sid

3361
02:49:16,600 --> 02:49:20,319
attacked him, so he should be gracious and grateful.

3362
02:49:20,680 --> 02:49:22,520
Speaker 8: I mean he should be grateful that it wasn't worse

3363
02:49:22,559 --> 02:49:24,079
than it was from a legal perspective.

3364
02:49:24,479 --> 02:49:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true too.

3365
02:49:25,399 --> 02:49:28,120
Speaker 8: Imagine if Arn had to get detained in England and

3366
02:49:28,840 --> 02:49:32,040
there had to be you know, transatlantic negotiation to get

3367
02:49:32,079 --> 02:49:35,600
to get his body back over here. I mean that's

3368
02:49:35,639 --> 02:49:37,639
the thing. People didn't think Sid enough, and I think

3369
02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:38,959
that's a big part of the reason that he was

3370
02:49:39,000 --> 02:49:41,600
so aggressive in Hyper's because no one ever said thank

3371
02:49:41,639 --> 02:49:42,159
you to the man.

3372
02:49:44,959 --> 02:49:45,799
Speaker 3: Look what he didn't do.

3373
02:49:47,079 --> 02:49:49,399
Speaker 8: So I'm going to give you the excerpt now because

3374
02:49:49,440 --> 02:49:52,159
he mentioned him from Vader's book. Vader has told the

3375
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:54,520
story in interviews as well. But he does a nice

3376
02:49:54,520 --> 02:49:57,280
discinct job, or at least I won't say sync, it's.

3377
02:49:57,079 --> 02:50:00,159
Speaker 3: A complete job. And when anything about.

3378
02:50:01,840 --> 02:50:04,239
Speaker 8: Or the Kenny Casanova books, who we we love his stuff.

3379
02:50:04,239 --> 02:50:06,600
I mean it's a gift from God that he got

3380
02:50:06,639 --> 02:50:09,360
all these wrestlers in such a detail chronologically on their

3381
02:50:09,399 --> 02:50:13,799
career before they passed. So shout outs to uh the

3382
02:50:14,079 --> 02:50:16,879
Look the Vader book, it's called walking on hot waffles.

3383
02:50:17,040 --> 02:50:20,440
That's just that's what it's called. And standing here right now.

3384
02:50:20,479 --> 02:50:23,239
I don't remember why, but I think I can take

3385
02:50:23,239 --> 02:50:30,399
a pretty good guess. Vader walking walking with hot waffles

3386
02:50:30,399 --> 02:50:30,920
in your belly?

3387
02:50:32,079 --> 02:50:32,760
Speaker 3: What it should be.

3388
02:50:32,879 --> 02:50:36,319
Speaker 8: Called walking while on hot waffles?

3389
02:50:38,799 --> 02:50:40,799
Speaker 3: Walking after consuming?

3390
02:50:42,360 --> 02:50:45,760
Speaker 8: Yeah about the title, leon, you know, we hear the

3391
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:46,760
publisher thought.

3392
02:50:47,559 --> 02:50:50,399
Speaker 3: Waffles my kind of party. Got it right now? Can

3393
02:50:50,440 --> 02:50:53,000
you imagine a waffle house when Vader shows up? Jesus, oh,

3394
02:50:53,319 --> 02:50:58,639
you know exactly. It's like, you know, the sign they're

3395
02:50:58,680 --> 02:51:01,680
they're like, listen, awful house does not close. We know,

3396
02:51:01,760 --> 02:51:04,120
it's one of those establishments that just is always open.

3397
02:51:04,280 --> 02:51:06,399
But they see they see, you.

3398
02:51:06,479 --> 02:51:11,000
Speaker 8: Know, it's known as the Vader clause out there in

3399
02:51:11,040 --> 02:51:11,799
the rocky mountains.

3400
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:19,200
Speaker 3: They see the the fucking vehicle, you know, shake its

3401
02:51:19,239 --> 02:51:25,479
way up to the door, all right, and it's like

3402
02:51:25,559 --> 02:51:27,479
and it stops, like it's actually, you know, it just

3403
02:51:27,559 --> 02:51:30,559
kind of purrs for a little while in in you know,

3404
02:51:30,959 --> 02:51:32,399
and they're like, oh shit.

3405
02:51:33,079 --> 02:51:35,000
Speaker 8: When you watch the grin Shoes told Christmas this year,

3406
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:37,000
I want you to think of it as that's how

3407
02:51:37,120 --> 02:51:41,520
Vade comes down down his mountain, yes, exactly, in his

3408
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:47,079
fucking snow cat, all right, and he comes and then

3409
02:51:47,159 --> 02:51:50,040
and then the motor turns off, and now all the

3410
02:51:50,120 --> 02:51:53,639
employees panic because they thought for sure they had a

3411
02:51:53,760 --> 02:51:54,159
night off.

3412
02:51:54,760 --> 02:51:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

3413
02:51:55,559 --> 02:51:58,680
Speaker 8: The scene is like everyone looking out the kind kind

3414
02:51:58,680 --> 02:52:01,680
of Florida ceiling window, looking out the huge ass windows

3415
02:52:01,719 --> 02:52:05,200
onto the parking lot in a state of like stun silence,

3416
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:06,200
and then.

3417
02:52:06,840 --> 02:52:08,680
Speaker 3: Or even better, even better, you know, but beforehand, this

3418
02:52:08,760 --> 02:52:12,840
is what happens. So the SnowCat drives up to the

3419
02:52:12,879 --> 02:52:15,440
parking lot, does not enter the parking lot yet, and

3420
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:17,840
it just kind of waits outside the parking lot. Yes,

3421
02:52:18,440 --> 02:52:21,239
and everyone, every all the employees of walf House, they

3422
02:52:21,319 --> 02:52:25,639
fucking they stare and they're like, oh no, and you

3423
02:52:25,799 --> 02:52:28,440
just try the tight shot on all their faces, and

3424
02:52:28,520 --> 02:52:31,920
you hear the low rumble and they're just watching it.

3425
02:52:32,239 --> 02:52:34,079
Is it gonna go straight? Or is it gonna take

3426
02:52:34,120 --> 02:52:35,879
the turn into the parking lot. And then you hear,

3427
02:52:36,040 --> 02:52:41,360
just like you said from he makes the turn into

3428
02:52:41,360 --> 02:52:41,840
the parking lot.

3429
02:52:41,920 --> 02:52:43,280
Speaker 8: He makes the turn in the parking lot, and they're

3430
02:52:43,280 --> 02:52:45,079
still holding out hope that maybe he's not coming in.

3431
02:52:45,239 --> 02:52:46,520
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh

3432
02:52:46,559 --> 02:52:48,120
my god, oh my god. And then yeah, then it

3433
02:52:48,239 --> 02:52:51,000
just stops. It gets a parking spot, right out front,

3434
02:52:51,079 --> 02:52:51,879
so you don't show that.

3435
02:52:52,159 --> 02:52:53,920
Speaker 8: All you show is the looks on the faces of

3436
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:56,360
like six waffle house members looking out the window.

3437
02:52:56,319 --> 02:53:00,719
Speaker 3: And like close ups of the headlights, yeah, you know,

3438
02:53:01,239 --> 02:53:03,159
close up to the of the headlights, like those are

3439
02:53:03,200 --> 02:53:06,559
the eyes of Vader. It's touch right, and then and

3440
02:53:06,719 --> 02:53:10,079
then and then you get like a shot. So imagine

3441
02:53:10,120 --> 02:53:13,159
the shot. Okay, you get your wide screen you know,

3442
02:53:13,280 --> 02:53:16,399
your wide screen frame. On the left side of the frame,

3443
02:53:16,600 --> 02:53:21,000
you have a massive close up of the uh one

3444
02:53:21,799 --> 02:53:24,680
of the driver's side headlight. Okay, it like almost fills

3445
02:53:24,680 --> 02:53:27,760
the entire screen. The other side you have basically the

3446
02:53:27,840 --> 02:53:30,719
rest of the empty parking lot snow, and it's it's

3447
02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:33,479
you know, and it's and it's it's out of focus,

3448
02:53:33,760 --> 02:53:37,879
all right. And then the motor stops and the light

3449
02:53:38,040 --> 02:53:44,760
goes out, oh right, and then the door opens and

3450
02:53:44,840 --> 02:53:48,680
you cut right back inside, all right, and everybody panics

3451
02:53:49,639 --> 02:53:50,840
fucking trying to close up.

3452
02:53:51,239 --> 02:53:53,520
Speaker 20: Lock the fucking door, Lock the fucking door.

3453
02:53:53,559 --> 02:53:57,079
Speaker 3: Before he gets here, and you get the manager. He

3454
02:53:57,280 --> 02:54:00,200
like he does one of those like like a you know,

3455
02:54:00,879 --> 02:54:04,639
a nineteen seventies cop show, sliding over the over the

3456
02:54:04,959 --> 02:54:09,079
the the the counter all right, with the keys, and

3457
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:15,159
he's racing, racing, racing, and he's about to fucking insert

3458
02:54:15,280 --> 02:54:19,520
the key into the lock, and all of a sudden,

3459
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:24,559
the door just slams open and the manager flies ten

3460
02:54:24,639 --> 02:54:25,280
feet in the air.

3461
02:54:25,360 --> 02:54:26,799
Speaker 8: It's like the first time we see zeus and no

3462
02:54:26,879 --> 02:54:28,440
holds bar exactly.

3463
02:54:30,600 --> 02:54:32,000
Speaker 3: What the fucking waffles?

3464
02:54:33,760 --> 02:54:35,719
Speaker 8: Why are you already mad that you don't have them?

3465
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:38,120
You just walked in the restaurant. At least give us

3466
02:54:38,159 --> 02:54:40,280
a chance to, like, you know, prepare your order.

3467
02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:42,840
Speaker 20: He's shut your damn mouth all about fucking waffles.

3468
02:54:42,959 --> 02:54:44,959
Speaker 8: Now he picks up like the you know, they have

3469
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:47,319
the syrup containers on every He picks them up and

3470
02:54:47,319 --> 02:54:50,440
starts chucking them like fastballs over the counter.

3471
02:54:51,159 --> 02:54:54,079
Speaker 3: He's throwing them, throwing them with his right hand and

3472
02:54:54,159 --> 02:54:55,399
with his left hand he's drinking it.

3473
02:54:59,239 --> 02:55:02,520
Speaker 8: Disgusting, absolutely repulsive, the amount of.

3474
02:55:02,559 --> 02:55:04,959
Speaker 3: And then he grabbed like like two of them, and

3475
02:55:05,440 --> 02:55:07,840
you know, he clashed them together and they shatter.

3476
02:55:09,360 --> 02:55:11,680
Speaker 8: The amount of butter and syrup that he put on

3477
02:55:11,760 --> 02:55:14,360
his waffles. I mean, can we take a.

3478
02:55:14,399 --> 02:55:15,280
Speaker 3: Moment, you know what I mean?

3479
02:55:15,360 --> 02:55:15,799
Speaker 6: Can think of it.

3480
02:55:15,920 --> 02:55:18,959
Speaker 3: It's just it's really it's it's syrup soup and and

3481
02:55:19,399 --> 02:55:22,120
it's like it's like a bowl of soup, but it's

3482
02:55:22,479 --> 02:55:25,600
it's it's maple syrup and butter and the waffles are

3483
02:55:25,639 --> 02:55:28,840
the crackers. That's what it's like.

3484
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:32,639
Speaker 8: Hey, what episode did they talk about like the cinematic

3485
02:55:33,000 --> 02:55:36,360
qualities of Vader going to the waffle house? Oh, that's

3486
02:55:36,360 --> 02:55:43,959
Sid Tribute Part three. And he goes he goes in

3487
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:46,200
the back of the fucking uh uh. You know, he

3488
02:55:46,280 --> 02:55:48,680
like storms his way through. He's like flipping tables over.

3489
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:53,760
He's three, He's like just tossing employees left and right.

3490
02:55:55,079 --> 02:55:58,319
Is he ever gonna realize that this never gets him

3491
02:55:58,360 --> 02:55:59,000
food faster?

3492
02:55:59,200 --> 02:55:59,520
Speaker 7: To do this?

3493
02:56:01,159 --> 02:56:03,000
Speaker 3: You like injuring all the people who can help me,

3494
02:56:03,200 --> 02:56:05,360
who can help make this a smooth process. But he's

3495
02:56:05,559 --> 02:56:10,639
so fucking and he gets to the back and there's like,

3496
02:56:10,760 --> 02:56:15,000
you know, there's like one there's like one like sixty

3497
02:56:15,079 --> 02:56:18,120
year old retired chef. All right. You know, he just

3498
02:56:18,200 --> 02:56:20,159
works at waffle house because he loves to cook and

3499
02:56:20,200 --> 02:56:22,920
it's an opportunity to get out of the house. He's

3500
02:56:22,959 --> 02:56:25,639
just this old man who just like, you know, he

3501
02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:28,840
just likes being around the kids and and helping out.

3502
02:56:28,920 --> 02:56:31,280
But here he is now, now he is the focus.

3503
02:56:32,360 --> 02:56:37,920
He is the focus of Vader's attention. Mambe some fucking eggs,

3504
02:56:39,360 --> 02:56:40,200
come on, old man.

3505
02:56:40,159 --> 02:56:48,159
Speaker 20: Maybe the fucking eggs, old man, Stop beating a bitch.

3506
02:56:48,520 --> 02:56:53,959
Speaker 3: Feed my mouse exactly. That's the one thing if you

3507
02:56:54,000 --> 02:56:56,600
want to avoid this happening, stop being a bitch. Right.

3508
02:56:56,680 --> 02:56:58,879
Why doesn't that ever recur to these people? They get

3509
02:56:58,920 --> 02:57:01,399
victimized time and time again, and they never decide maybe

3510
02:57:01,399 --> 02:57:03,280
I should turn my bitch meter down a little bit.

3511
02:57:04,719 --> 02:57:07,000
I'm gonna throw your face on the grid. Old man,

3512
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:10,639
I'm gonna eat you.

3513
02:57:14,520 --> 02:57:17,040
Speaker 8: Starts pouring syrup on him while he's preparing the food,

3514
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:20,559
like countdowns on brother, and he's pouring it on his

3515
02:57:20,639 --> 02:57:21,479
head and while he cooks.

3516
02:57:21,559 --> 02:57:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, I get to tell me they're eating waffles or

3517
02:57:24,040 --> 02:57:27,600
I'm eating your face. All right, it's a T shirt.

3518
02:57:27,639 --> 02:57:28,079
Write it down.

3519
02:57:31,159 --> 02:57:33,920
Speaker 8: I'm either eating waffles or your face. And then you

3520
02:57:34,040 --> 02:57:38,159
know what to do graphically. You know what to do graphically.

3521
02:57:38,280 --> 02:57:39,040
Speaker 3: I think I don't know.

3522
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:41,440
Speaker 8: Can you fit that those those words in the waffle

3523
02:57:41,440 --> 02:57:42,920
house yellow square sign?

3524
02:57:43,600 --> 02:57:54,600
Speaker 3: Sure can? And did we name? Did we title Vader's

3525
02:57:54,639 --> 02:57:56,040
book Walking on Hot Waffles?

3526
02:57:56,120 --> 02:57:56,159
Speaker 7: No?

3527
02:57:57,840 --> 02:58:00,719
Speaker 8: So don't come at us about this. Oh my god,

3528
02:58:00,840 --> 02:58:05,239
you put it on the table, among other things. So

3529
02:58:05,879 --> 02:58:08,159
if he's going to stuff the hole in his face,

3530
02:58:08,520 --> 02:58:10,639
he's also going to stuff the hole in Sid's side.

3531
02:58:10,719 --> 02:58:13,040
Now we turn it over to the boscoon or a

3532
02:58:13,159 --> 02:58:15,959
reading from Vader's book about this fateful night in Sid's

3533
02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:16,639
life and career.

3534
02:58:17,719 --> 02:58:20,280
Speaker 3: Now, before I place judgment on either Sid or arm

3535
02:58:20,479 --> 02:58:22,200
on what has gone down in history as one of

3536
02:58:22,239 --> 02:58:25,799
the scariest behind the scenes wrestling fights. Ever, you have

3537
02:58:25,920 --> 02:58:30,399
to put all this together in terms of quote, where

3538
02:58:31,680 --> 02:58:35,440
and tear. I have to I would puddle with that Leon.

3539
02:58:35,520 --> 02:58:37,799
I kind of I don't don't have to do, I say,

3540
02:58:37,799 --> 02:58:40,440
I kind of don't want to. For that matter, I

3541
02:58:40,559 --> 02:58:42,280
kind of don't have to think of that as a

3542
02:58:42,360 --> 02:58:45,840
mitigating factor. And stabbing someone nearly, I mean, if you

3543
02:58:46,360 --> 02:58:49,680
mean like the fact that Sid was wearing scissors and

3544
02:58:49,760 --> 02:58:53,280
it tore through his flesh. Sure there's wear and tear

3545
02:58:53,799 --> 02:58:57,639
right before any sort of altercation between them happened on

3546
02:58:57,760 --> 02:59:02,399
that one horrible European tour Listen, there have been more

3547
02:59:02,440 --> 02:59:04,159
than one horrible European.

3548
02:59:03,799 --> 02:59:07,000
Speaker 8: Tourist bell, Yeah, especially with him on them. Yeah, the

3549
02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:10,000
road was getting the best of all of us, The roads.

3550
02:59:10,040 --> 02:59:10,840
Blame it on the road.

3551
02:59:12,159 --> 02:59:13,799
Speaker 3: You sure it wasn't a third bus full of booze.

3552
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:17,840
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, yeah, it wasn't alcoholism that kind of

3553
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:20,079
prompted all drugs and alcohol that was getting the right

3554
02:59:20,239 --> 02:59:22,879
of you. No, it's the road, because the road doesn't

3555
02:59:22,879 --> 02:59:26,399
allow you to detox at it. If I was asked

3556
02:59:26,399 --> 02:59:29,639
to go on the stand and testify today, I would

3557
02:59:29,719 --> 02:59:31,959
have to put the blame entirely.

3558
02:59:34,879 --> 02:59:38,680
Speaker 3: On the company's fan wrestling podcast.

3559
02:59:56,079 --> 02:59:59,920
Speaker 1: He's fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carnassio.

3560
03:00:02,040 --> 03:00:05,479
Speaker 8: WCW get indicted for this stabbing.

3561
03:00:06,799 --> 03:00:10,639
Speaker 3: That's what Vader would have done, all right. WCW beat

3562
03:00:10,680 --> 03:00:12,399
the living hell out of us so bad it felt

3563
03:00:12,399 --> 03:00:15,319
like they were trying to kill us. We had already

3564
03:00:15,319 --> 03:00:17,559
been on the road for ten days straight with no breaks,

3565
03:00:17,559 --> 03:00:20,000
so we were exhausted. To top it off, we finished

3566
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:24,159
a daytime shot in Florida, and oh, I see, and

3567
03:00:24,239 --> 03:00:26,280
then had a hurry off to our next gig in England.

3568
03:00:26,799 --> 03:00:29,399
So I'm like, Florida is not in Europe, pal But

3569
03:00:29,559 --> 03:00:30,559
I see where he went with.

3570
03:00:30,600 --> 03:00:32,360
Speaker 8: That, and he finished off a whole lot of other

3571
03:00:32,440 --> 03:00:33,239
shots on the plane.

3572
03:00:33,479 --> 03:00:40,639
Speaker 3: Because of your damn right. We showered quickly, got dressed,

3573
03:00:40,760 --> 03:00:44,600
darted up off to the airport, turned up, turned in

3574
03:00:44,680 --> 03:00:49,200
our rental, and got ready to board. Everyone was dressed

3575
03:00:49,239 --> 03:00:51,639
up nice, you know, with nice clothing and leather coats on,

3576
03:00:51,760 --> 03:00:55,360
because that's what WCW expected of us for international flights

3577
03:00:55,399 --> 03:00:57,520
in case we were spotted by any fans along the way.

3578
03:00:58,600 --> 03:01:02,920
Wouldn't wouldn't you want to be in your gear if

3579
03:01:02,959 --> 03:01:04,120
you want to be spot on my fans.

3580
03:01:04,920 --> 03:01:08,000
Speaker 8: That's not exactly the most comfortable traveling I.

3581
03:01:08,040 --> 03:01:12,559
Speaker 3: Mean, but why suits and nice clothing and shit? Yeah?

3582
03:01:12,799 --> 03:01:15,639
Speaker 8: God forbid the fans see these guys as like, you know,

3583
03:01:15,840 --> 03:01:18,799
human beings, human beings or like you know, low rent,

3584
03:01:18,879 --> 03:01:20,680
low lifes, because that would be the truth.

3585
03:01:22,399 --> 03:01:24,280
Speaker 3: Like you know, like why don't you have like cut

3586
03:01:24,319 --> 03:01:26,600
off sweats and shit like wou I imagine you guys

3587
03:01:26,639 --> 03:01:29,879
wear around the house. This was no big deal, but

3588
03:01:29,959 --> 03:01:32,000
it means we were also not in our most comfortable

3589
03:01:32,040 --> 03:01:35,719
attire for travel. Yeah, but it's not like a moo mood.

3590
03:01:35,760 --> 03:01:38,879
It's not comfortable for Vader. Yeah right, Well, I don't know.

3591
03:01:38,920 --> 03:01:41,559
Speaker 8: I mean, I kind of get what he's saying, because

3592
03:01:42,040 --> 03:01:43,520
you know, like when I go to a wedding, like

3593
03:01:43,680 --> 03:01:45,920
you know, I accept that I'm going to be uncomfortable.

3594
03:01:45,959 --> 03:01:47,639
You know, I'm out of respect. I'm gonna be a

3595
03:01:47,639 --> 03:01:50,000
little stuffy, a little you know, tired. It's not going

3596
03:01:50,079 --> 03:01:52,760
to be sure what I would wear. And yeah, when

3597
03:01:52,799 --> 03:01:55,120
I when I wear uncomfortable clothes, do I want to

3598
03:01:55,120 --> 03:01:56,479
stab someone nearly to death?

3599
03:01:57,639 --> 03:02:00,760
Speaker 3: Do I go to do it? No, that's the question.

3600
03:02:00,840 --> 03:02:02,680
Do you actually do it? Or is it just the thought?

3601
03:02:02,879 --> 03:02:04,840
Speaker 8: I think I understand why he says WCW is at

3602
03:02:04,879 --> 03:02:07,680
fault here because they were making them wear a dress

3603
03:02:07,719 --> 03:02:11,600
clothes on a road trip. And so you know, how

3604
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:13,159
are you going to how are you gonna a surprized

3605
03:02:13,200 --> 03:02:14,000
when someone gets stabbed?

3606
03:02:14,040 --> 03:02:15,520
Speaker 3: I don't now let me ask you this though, were

3607
03:02:15,559 --> 03:02:21,120
there any like I don't know WCW like suits that

3608
03:02:21,239 --> 03:02:26,040
were enforcing this rule like someone is basically is someone

3609
03:02:26,159 --> 03:02:29,600
taking photos of them every day and like faxing it

3610
03:02:29,719 --> 03:02:32,040
back to Atlanta saying here just to make sure we

3611
03:02:32,159 --> 03:02:34,879
know they got they had their their formal attire on

3612
03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:36,159
during all travel.

3613
03:02:36,280 --> 03:02:38,639
Speaker 8: I would love to know what the leverages they have

3614
03:02:38,799 --> 03:02:39,680
to enforce that like.

3615
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:42,760
Speaker 3: And if I don't guess because to me, right because

3616
03:02:42,799 --> 03:02:45,959
to me, once you cross the ocean, fuck you, I'm

3617
03:02:46,000 --> 03:02:47,040
not wearing anything.

3618
03:02:46,799 --> 03:02:48,440
Speaker 8: That checks in the mail, and there's no way the

3619
03:02:48,520 --> 03:02:51,600
contracts say if you don't wear slacks, well we can cut.

3620
03:02:51,479 --> 03:02:55,520
Speaker 3: Your right during travel. Right, if you don't wear slacks,

3621
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:59,159
a tucked in button down shirt and a and a

3622
03:02:59,399 --> 03:03:02,239
and a you know, Armani blazer, then you will be

3623
03:03:02,479 --> 03:03:04,479
docked one quarter your pay.

3624
03:03:04,639 --> 03:03:06,040
Speaker 8: And you know what's really funny about all this. I

3625
03:03:06,079 --> 03:03:08,840
don't doubt what Vader saying that WCW did have this

3626
03:03:08,959 --> 03:03:12,360
weird dress code and stuff. But I'll bet you, I

3627
03:03:12,440 --> 03:03:14,840
bet I bet substantial money that on this tour they

3628
03:03:14,920 --> 03:03:17,719
relaxed that rule and he's just folding in that grievance.

3629
03:03:17,840 --> 03:03:20,440
To to England. If you saw them on that bus,

3630
03:03:20,479 --> 03:03:22,840
he was. He was in a hoodie and sweat ryans.

3631
03:03:22,879 --> 03:03:25,879
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, like passed out with the fucking you know,

3632
03:03:26,159 --> 03:03:32,760
with old school headphones around is you know, totally so

3633
03:03:32,879 --> 03:03:36,159
nobody but it means'll come before boarding. They set us

3634
03:03:36,239 --> 03:03:38,399
up and they set up in this lounge with a

3635
03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:41,879
bunch of cocktails. We all got to drinking and getting

3636
03:03:41,879 --> 03:03:44,719
a primer on for the flight. I don't know they

3637
03:03:44,760 --> 03:03:48,200
were painting. That's nice, Yeah, I know, I know. That's

3638
03:03:48,239 --> 03:03:50,840
really the problem with wrestlers. Is what when you take

3639
03:03:50,879 --> 03:03:53,600
these big road trips that require long layovers and long

3640
03:03:53,639 --> 03:03:56,440
delays there they can't help themselves. They're like teenagers. They're

3641
03:03:56,479 --> 03:03:59,120
going to get ship faced. Well they're because they're they're

3642
03:03:59,159 --> 03:04:03,040
they're children, and they're uh, you know, listen, I think,

3643
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:05,040
especially in this era, they're just there are a lot

3644
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:06,719
of addicts. Yeah, you know.

3645
03:04:06,920 --> 03:04:08,840
Speaker 8: And the only reasons didn't always happen is because the

3646
03:04:08,879 --> 03:04:11,280
road trips were never quite long enough to get that

3647
03:04:11,520 --> 03:04:13,239
bomb before you had to, you know, move on to

3648
03:04:13,319 --> 03:04:18,040
the next leg of the journey, right right, We all.

3649
03:04:17,959 --> 03:04:19,600
Speaker 3: Got to drinking and getting a primer for the flight,

3650
03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:23,399
adding alcohol to the mix. Guys were swapping pain pills

3651
03:04:23,440 --> 03:04:26,159
and getting pretty messed up. We weren't even on the

3652
03:04:26,239 --> 03:04:28,239
plane yet. And I remember one guy got up and

3653
03:04:28,360 --> 03:04:32,600
put his headband on, then fell face first right into

3654
03:04:32,959 --> 03:04:38,399
right back into his seat. Okay, this is how So

3655
03:04:38,520 --> 03:04:42,000
he put a headband on and then fell face first

3656
03:04:42,120 --> 03:04:47,559
right back into the seat. Okay, this is how bad

3657
03:04:47,719 --> 03:04:51,159
things were getting. Once boarding time hit, we divvied up,

3658
03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:54,319
this divvied out the seats. It was me two Cold Scorpio,

3659
03:04:54,399 --> 03:04:58,760
the Nasty boys flared, Davy Boy steamboats, some agents, just

3660
03:04:58,840 --> 03:05:01,159
a bunch of us. We the correct number of tickets

3661
03:05:01,200 --> 03:05:03,840
in our envelope, but as usual w CW only had

3662
03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:06,200
a couple of first class seats in the mix, so

3663
03:05:06,360 --> 03:05:09,600
we couldn't all ride first class. This added to the

3664
03:05:09,639 --> 03:05:12,159
bad formula for the trip for us big guys who

3665
03:05:12,200 --> 03:05:14,000
had to sit in the tiny seats in the back.

3666
03:05:14,760 --> 03:05:17,680
Fortunately for me, because of how I negotiated my contract

3667
03:05:17,719 --> 03:05:19,440
and because I had one of the biggest butts on

3668
03:05:19,520 --> 03:05:24,760
the tour, I was not sitting in coach, thank god.

3669
03:05:27,799 --> 03:05:32,200
WW pretty much dominated the flight to London. That's a

3670
03:05:32,239 --> 03:05:36,840
fucking choice phrase dominated the flight. That means, I mean,

3671
03:05:37,120 --> 03:05:40,600
I imagine that if you were if you were looking

3672
03:05:40,639 --> 03:05:45,200
forward to a nice, quiet flight to London, you were

3673
03:05:45,879 --> 03:05:48,639
in Like, if you're think of this, you're Steve Martin

3674
03:05:48,879 --> 03:05:50,600
in playing trains and ONNLOD bills. Just want to read

3675
03:05:50,639 --> 03:05:54,000
this article that your friend wrote exactly, all right, and

3676
03:05:54,319 --> 03:05:58,840
you've got about eighteen John candies. Wow, all right, that's

3677
03:05:58,879 --> 03:06:01,840
what this was, That just right exactly?

3678
03:06:01,959 --> 03:06:03,600
Speaker 8: Can you imagine and I know he just said he

3679
03:06:03,639 --> 03:06:05,799
didn't sit and coach, so but can you imagine sitting

3680
03:06:05,959 --> 03:06:08,360
on a commercial airliner and coach and there's an empty

3681
03:06:08,360 --> 03:06:10,360
seat next to you, and you see Vader coming for

3682
03:06:10,399 --> 03:06:10,719
the seat.

3683
03:06:11,319 --> 03:06:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, or can you imagine that? Like, you know, you're like,

3684
03:06:13,360 --> 03:06:17,559
please don't please not not here, No, no, no. Think

3685
03:06:17,600 --> 03:06:21,079
of how big he is. Oh god, I mean he'd

3686
03:06:21,079 --> 03:06:22,879
probably have to get a whole row for himself. Yeah,

3687
03:06:22,879 --> 03:06:34,639
absolutely awful. We all we Oh yeah, actually a bunch

3688
03:06:34,639 --> 03:06:37,120
of assholes, for sure. We fly all the way over there,

3689
03:06:37,319 --> 03:06:39,840
got off the plane and got right into a bus

3690
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:43,120
to travel four more hours on one of the bumpiest

3691
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:46,040
roads the United Kingdom had to offer. Nobody got any

3692
03:06:46,120 --> 03:06:48,639
sleep because of the time change. The sun had already

3693
03:06:48,719 --> 03:06:55,360
come up and it was only afternoon there. Wait, the

3694
03:06:55,399 --> 03:06:59,920
sun had already come up and it was only afternoon there. Yeah,

3695
03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:04,440
what does the sun coming up have to do with anything?

3696
03:07:04,680 --> 03:07:06,000
Speaker 8: I think he's trying to say it's hard to fall

3697
03:07:06,040 --> 03:07:07,000
asleep when the sun's up.

3698
03:07:10,079 --> 03:07:12,959
Speaker 3: Okay, but you could just say it's afternoon, like the

3699
03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:15,280
days are gone. I could have. Yeah, I don't know,

3700
03:07:15,440 --> 03:07:19,680
Like it's just weird. We did another daytime show. Yes,

3701
03:07:19,799 --> 03:07:22,639
we just wrestled one and travel all that way without

3702
03:07:22,680 --> 03:07:25,000
any sleep. Then we rushed out there to catch a

3703
03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:27,239
bus for another eight hour trip to the next town.

3704
03:07:28,040 --> 03:07:30,600
I was physically exhausted. I was bitching to everyone who

3705
03:07:30,639 --> 03:07:36,920
would listen about all but all are running around we

3706
03:07:37,040 --> 03:07:39,879
were doing saying now, wait a minute, a minute, it's

3707
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:43,799
just crazy. The bus ride was brutal. It was tight

3708
03:07:44,319 --> 03:07:46,799
and uncomfortable and by no means could you sleep on

3709
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:48,440
such a vehicle? That's yeah.

3710
03:07:48,639 --> 03:07:52,399
Speaker 8: Look, if i'm you know, in charge of this crew,

3711
03:07:52,639 --> 03:07:55,000
like give them the beer because I don't want to

3712
03:07:55,079 --> 03:07:57,159
be there when they get sick of not being able

3713
03:07:57,200 --> 03:07:59,399
to sleep at hour four, you know, at least give.

3714
03:07:59,280 --> 03:08:06,200
Speaker 3: The thing to do. Absolutely drunks, maybe some of those two. Yeah,

3715
03:08:10,239 --> 03:08:16,319
the the The bus ride was brutal. It was tight

3716
03:08:16,360 --> 03:08:18,760
and uncomfortable and by no means could you sleep on

3717
03:08:18,799 --> 03:08:20,399
such a vehicle. The boys made the best of it.

3718
03:08:20,920 --> 03:08:23,280
We had run out of food at some point. Oh

3719
03:08:23,760 --> 03:08:26,440
I know what that is. Oh, and everyone just started

3720
03:08:26,520 --> 03:08:30,200
drinking beer on an empty stomach. Yet another formula for disaster.

3721
03:08:31,200 --> 03:08:33,680
We drove way up in the highlands or some damned

3722
03:08:33,719 --> 03:08:37,399
place in the middle. Wait, did you drive way up

3723
03:08:37,399 --> 03:08:39,959
to the highlands or did you find someplace in the middle.

3724
03:08:40,680 --> 03:08:43,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, that that's what happens when wrestlers get all prideful

3725
03:08:43,319 --> 03:08:46,559
about geography and knowing geography, but they actually don't know anything.

3726
03:08:46,680 --> 03:08:49,959
They don't remember any of the details. Oh yeah, there's

3727
03:08:49,959 --> 03:08:52,200
the Highlands that that hip flies when you're telling people

3728
03:08:52,239 --> 03:08:54,600
back home. But right do you put it in print,

3729
03:08:54,639 --> 03:08:56,479
you realize you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

3730
03:08:57,920 --> 03:08:59,959
Speaker 3: I'm what was probably the second bumbiest road in all

3731
03:09:00,040 --> 03:09:01,719
of England. I mean to look back at it now,

3732
03:09:01,799 --> 03:09:04,879
all I can say is wow, I couldn't have done

3733
03:09:04,920 --> 03:09:08,239
this today. Somewhere along the ride. I would just have

3734
03:09:08,319 --> 03:09:12,159
had a heart attack and died. Yeah, it was just

3735
03:09:12,239 --> 03:09:14,200
too much to ask of us. And it's no wonder

3736
03:09:14,239 --> 03:09:16,360
sitting an arm were easily at arms.

3737
03:09:18,200 --> 03:09:21,200
Speaker 8: I think he means at odds, but maybe I don't

3738
03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:21,799
think so at.

3739
03:09:21,799 --> 03:09:25,000
Speaker 3: Arms, like you know, they're not. I mean, yeah, I

3740
03:09:25,079 --> 03:09:29,760
don't even know where the hell they took me, But

3741
03:09:29,879 --> 03:09:32,920
we ended up in front of a nice hotel we

3742
03:09:33,040 --> 03:09:36,239
finish up, which finished the trip frazzled and worn, then

3743
03:09:36,319 --> 03:09:39,239
finally headed to our hotel. It was getting late and

3744
03:09:39,280 --> 03:09:43,159
everybody wanted to just rush up to their rooms and crash. However,

3745
03:09:43,280 --> 03:09:46,840
we were all starving with nothing but beer in our bellies.

3746
03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:49,360
One of the boys, I don't remember who it was,

3747
03:09:49,479 --> 03:09:52,120
insisted they opened the bar up for us so we

3748
03:09:52,159 --> 03:09:53,040
could get some food.

3749
03:09:54,719 --> 03:09:56,879
Speaker 8: He would later say it with Steve Austin that that

3750
03:09:56,920 --> 03:09:57,559
wouldn't do that.

3751
03:09:57,680 --> 03:09:58,399
Speaker 3: Oh really yeah.

3752
03:09:58,399 --> 03:10:00,959
Speaker 8: He told Hannibal in the shooting interview time that what

3753
03:10:01,079 --> 03:10:03,200
actually happened was he walked in and saw that somehow,

3754
03:10:03,280 --> 03:10:05,079
even though the bar was supposed to be closed, that

3755
03:10:05,200 --> 03:10:07,520
Steve Austin had gotten dope in the bar and was

3756
03:10:07,520 --> 03:10:08,680
basically sitting there by himself.

3757
03:10:08,719 --> 03:10:11,879
Speaker 21: Oh yeah, God, damn, Well, throw a back, a couple

3758
03:10:11,920 --> 03:10:13,200
of cold ones, you don't mind. We've just been on

3759
03:10:13,280 --> 03:10:15,879
the road about fifteen hours, coming from Florida all the

3760
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:17,920
way up to down here to the Highlands. Just gonna

3761
03:10:17,959 --> 03:10:19,520
throw a few back before we go up stations and

3762
03:10:19,559 --> 03:10:20,000
go to bed.

3763
03:10:20,040 --> 03:10:22,639
Speaker 8: To give the man what he wants. Nigeln't give the

3764
03:10:22,719 --> 03:10:23,399
man what he wants.

3765
03:10:25,319 --> 03:10:28,520
Speaker 6: Uh, oh shit, We'll just give ones.

3766
03:10:28,680 --> 03:10:28,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3767
03:10:28,879 --> 03:10:30,760
Speaker 8: We haven't spent enough time thinking about the staff in

3768
03:10:30,840 --> 03:10:31,680
this hotel, have we?

3769
03:10:32,040 --> 03:10:32,959
Speaker 3: I know we have not.

3770
03:10:33,440 --> 03:10:39,600
Speaker 8: We have not addressed what they're thinking and saying. Uh, Chris, Chris,

3771
03:10:39,680 --> 03:10:39,920
is it is?

3772
03:10:39,959 --> 03:10:40,000
Speaker 9: It?

3773
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:40,239
Speaker 11: Truely?

3774
03:10:40,360 --> 03:10:46,799
Speaker 3: Got a bunch of wrestlers coming in tonight and they're all, uh,

3775
03:10:46,959 --> 03:10:49,559
you know, they're all. They're all. I don't even know,

3776
03:10:49,680 --> 03:10:52,840
they're all a bunch of blokes, just you know, just

3777
03:10:53,479 --> 03:10:55,159
they look they look very hungry.

3778
03:10:56,479 --> 03:10:59,479
Speaker 8: Now these like Olympic wrestlers. Are these like the television wrestlers?

3779
03:10:59,479 --> 03:10:59,639
Speaker 3: Though?

3780
03:10:59,719 --> 03:11:03,799
Speaker 22: No, No, it's all the fake stuff like Big Daddy, Yeah,

3781
03:11:03,879 --> 03:11:06,879
and uh the you know the h it's like pat

3782
03:11:06,959 --> 03:11:10,879
roach for that matter, and I from uh, I'll feed

3783
03:11:10,920 --> 03:11:11,399
the saint pitt.

3784
03:11:11,440 --> 03:11:12,239
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about.

3785
03:11:12,280 --> 03:11:15,799
Speaker 22: It's pat roach that kind of wrestling.

3786
03:11:17,159 --> 03:11:25,479
Speaker 3: Now, ye, big fan, So I'm taking on John Haystacks

3787
03:11:25,520 --> 03:11:26,200
walking back in the day.

3788
03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:28,879
Speaker 8: But in fact, there were several roaches on that damn bus.

3789
03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:34,600
I'd just ta't give me a cold beer, son, Why don't.

3790
03:11:34,440 --> 03:11:36,000
Speaker 21: You give me a couple of a couple of cold ones.

3791
03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:37,840
I can throw him back around now before I have

3792
03:11:37,959 --> 03:11:39,319
to bed hit that hit.

3793
03:11:40,719 --> 03:11:40,799
Speaker 6: Hit?

3794
03:11:40,879 --> 03:11:49,040
Speaker 3: What hit that? What hit that single six? What hit

3795
03:11:49,120 --> 03:11:53,239
that single six pot four mattress that you got up here?

3796
03:11:53,760 --> 03:11:57,639
Speaker 8: And key detail, critical detail. Unlike all other Austin imitations,

3797
03:11:58,440 --> 03:11:59,959
he's got the stunning Steve haircut.

3798
03:12:00,680 --> 03:12:10,000
Speaker 3: That's right, dies. Oh and you know, and you know,

3799
03:12:10,159 --> 03:12:13,760
after after fucking traveling this long you know, like there

3800
03:12:13,760 --> 03:12:16,520
are just there are some of these hairs that are

3801
03:12:16,600 --> 03:12:21,280
just totally totally out of place. Yeah. Yeah, the back

3802
03:12:21,360 --> 03:12:24,319
of it has gone rogue. Yes, yes, yeah, he's got

3803
03:12:24,399 --> 03:12:26,280
like it's like he's got almost like a like a

3804
03:12:27,319 --> 03:12:29,600
like a fan of hair, you know.

3805
03:12:30,399 --> 03:12:32,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, like the part is still there. But when it

3806
03:12:32,280 --> 03:12:33,639
comes to that, the.

3807
03:12:33,639 --> 03:12:36,360
Speaker 3: Part's permanent, you know, because of the way it's cut.

3808
03:12:36,440 --> 03:12:38,840
That part is permanent, because he's got the the one

3809
03:12:38,920 --> 03:12:42,719
inch side and then he's got the longer side. The

3810
03:12:42,799 --> 03:12:51,079
weirdest sucking air cut of all time. Uh, it was

3811
03:12:51,120 --> 03:12:52,959
another night, but we didn't give a shit, right, I

3812
03:12:53,040 --> 03:12:57,399
can only imagine the manager was pissed us already. Uh shit,

3813
03:12:57,719 --> 03:13:03,959
Well all right, man, I suppose you can im Do

3814
03:13:04,040 --> 03:13:06,319
we have any of those? Do you have any meat pies?

3815
03:13:09,799 --> 03:13:12,079
I think we've got someone in the freezer, you know that.

3816
03:13:12,360 --> 03:13:14,200
You know, we can just put those in the microwave

3817
03:13:14,319 --> 03:13:16,200
for something and just give them meat pies.

3818
03:13:16,639 --> 03:13:19,239
Speaker 8: There were fifty steak and ale pies waiting for the

3819
03:13:19,280 --> 03:13:20,639
rest of There we go, There we.

3820
03:13:20,719 --> 03:13:28,520
Speaker 3: Go and h blood sausage pies and whatever else, kidney pies,

3821
03:13:29,440 --> 03:13:35,079
whole fucking thing. Salisbury Maryland steak. Oh yes, we all

3822
03:13:35,120 --> 03:13:39,520
would just you know, just the most wonderful processed crust

3823
03:13:39,559 --> 03:13:44,120
you could possibly imagine. We all sat down on the tables.

3824
03:13:44,159 --> 03:13:46,399
I burned a pretty nice looking bar and ordered some food.

3825
03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:50,280
We were all anxious, and one of the food surface

3826
03:13:50,399 --> 03:13:53,239
fast as they could. The boys were beat. You could

3827
03:13:53,239 --> 03:13:56,040
see it on their faces. Man, this trip really sucks

3828
03:13:56,040 --> 03:13:59,879
so far. Two cult scorpios said, I'll think of that,

3829
03:14:00,520 --> 03:14:04,000
I said. The boys kicked in a full fledged bitch

3830
03:14:04,120 --> 03:14:07,680
session about the about the company that eventually turned into

3831
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:12,000
how they were getting screwed with money. Being screwed without

3832
03:14:12,040 --> 03:14:14,120
money really is what it is, right, Yeah?

3833
03:14:14,159 --> 03:14:14,280
Speaker 6: Right?

3834
03:14:14,600 --> 03:14:16,319
Speaker 3: A bunch of wrestlers think they're getting screwed on a

3835
03:14:16,360 --> 03:14:20,040
pay day. I don't leave it. They started comparing notes

3836
03:14:20,639 --> 03:14:24,040
talking about paydays. About that time, SID said something like,

3837
03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:26,600
you know, one of my one of the problems is

3838
03:14:26,719 --> 03:14:30,520
she got an old man named Rick Flair who needs

3839
03:14:30,840 --> 03:14:34,200
to get the hell out of the way. The room

3840
03:14:34,239 --> 03:14:36,239
got silent. Yeah, is it nothing in there?

3841
03:14:36,319 --> 03:14:39,840
Speaker 8: You notice about Sid saying you know you got guaranteed money, Rick?

3842
03:14:39,920 --> 03:14:40,680
Speaker 6: I mean yeah?

3843
03:14:43,719 --> 03:14:43,840
Speaker 15: Uh.

3844
03:14:44,120 --> 03:14:45,959
Speaker 3: He said something that most of us were thinking. It

3845
03:14:46,079 --> 03:14:47,840
wasn't that he what he said was shocking.

3846
03:14:47,920 --> 03:14:48,840
Speaker 6: It was who.

3847
03:14:49,399 --> 03:14:52,239
Speaker 3: He said it in front of Sid continued, you all

3848
03:14:52,440 --> 03:14:55,879
know what. Rick Flair is the one that has taken

3849
03:14:56,000 --> 03:14:59,399
all our money, and that's why we're bitching right now.

3850
03:15:00,360 --> 03:15:03,360
He really needs to step aside unless some of us

3851
03:15:03,479 --> 03:15:08,079
get some Everybody looked across the table. That is something

3852
03:15:08,120 --> 03:15:11,000
you don't say. In front of Rick Flair's longtime partner

3853
03:15:11,079 --> 03:15:15,840
and Four Horsemen stablemate Arn Anderson, Arn stood up and

3854
03:15:15,920 --> 03:15:19,040
started arguing with Sid. It got so heated that Arn

3855
03:15:19,159 --> 03:15:22,959
through a beer in his face. They went at each other.

3856
03:15:23,200 --> 03:15:25,840
But before anything could really happen, when anything really could happen,

3857
03:15:26,239 --> 03:15:28,920
there was a big pull apart. A hotel manager came

3858
03:15:28,920 --> 03:15:30,840
over and demanded that we all go to ORMs. Get

3859
03:15:30,920 --> 03:15:34,239
your fucking rooms right now. Wade barrats the hotel manager,

3860
03:15:38,959 --> 03:15:42,440
I've got some bad news for you. You got your

3861
03:15:42,520 --> 03:15:47,920
fucking rooms before I sicked my mother on all of you,

3862
03:15:48,280 --> 03:15:52,719
right Some of us hadn't even found our rooms yet,

3863
03:15:52,760 --> 03:15:55,479
and we were waiting for food with our luggage. We

3864
03:15:55,600 --> 03:15:58,159
all just said forget this and headed out there and

3865
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:00,520
headed out of there. While still looking from my room,

3866
03:16:00,559 --> 03:16:02,079
I saw Scorpio come around the corner.

3867
03:16:02,479 --> 03:16:02,639
Speaker 6: Man.

3868
03:16:02,680 --> 03:16:05,719
Speaker 3: I really want to grab somebod to eat. Oh it does, man,

3869
03:16:05,760 --> 03:16:09,719
I really want to grab somebody eat. I said, Shit,

3870
03:16:09,799 --> 03:16:12,719
I'm just gonna have to. I'm just gonna have some

3871
03:16:12,920 --> 03:16:16,959
hash in my room. Shit, big hash. The thing is

3872
03:16:17,040 --> 03:16:20,040
Scorpio wasn't talking about food. I'm out out of my

3873
03:16:20,120 --> 03:16:23,159
man either. Scorpio admits this in interviews today. He doesn't

3874
03:16:23,200 --> 03:16:26,360
give a shit. That's right. We heard it earlier. I

3875
03:16:26,440 --> 03:16:28,920
was smoking that big fucking hash. He said, that's right,

3876
03:16:29,200 --> 03:16:32,680
big fucking hand. What a detail would lose? That's that big.

3877
03:16:32,799 --> 03:16:32,959
Speaker 6: You know.

3878
03:16:33,440 --> 03:16:35,559
Speaker 3: It's like, you can smoke hash or you can smoke

3879
03:16:35,600 --> 03:16:39,799
big fucking hash. Amazing, and you're telling which one's more satisfying.

3880
03:16:42,559 --> 03:16:45,600
I laughed. I wandered around a bit looking for my room.

3881
03:16:45,719 --> 03:16:48,360
Later on I found out that Sit and Arn got

3882
03:16:48,399 --> 03:16:50,600
into it again. On the way to their rooms. There

3883
03:16:50,639 --> 03:16:52,879
were only about four or five doors away from each other,

3884
03:16:52,959 --> 03:16:54,799
and as they started to bring their stuff in, they

3885
03:16:54,879 --> 03:16:57,920
saw each other. Sid says. At this point, Arn broke

3886
03:16:58,000 --> 03:17:00,120
a beerd bottle and threatened to cut Sid with that

3887
03:17:00,559 --> 03:17:03,159
right there in the hallway. On my way to my room,

3888
03:17:03,159 --> 03:17:07,040
I wandered back into the bar. I don't get back here.

3889
03:17:07,120 --> 03:17:13,639
A fuck's sake, woll not. It had been pretty much

3890
03:17:13,840 --> 03:17:17,719
filtered out after the beer throwing incident, and where we

3891
03:17:17,879 --> 03:17:20,159
and where we had completely taken it over at one point.

3892
03:17:20,239 --> 03:17:22,760
Now it was just a nice big bar with nobody

3893
03:17:22,799 --> 03:17:31,040
in it. Nobody that is except one person, Yes, Sonning Steve.

3894
03:17:33,000 --> 03:17:38,719
Speaker 21: Take hey, Steve Hall me on, don't don't make don't

3895
03:17:38,719 --> 03:17:40,600
don't't even make it my room yet. Don't even make

3896
03:17:40,600 --> 03:17:44,200
it in my room yet. I hey, there, don't blame

3897
03:17:44,200 --> 03:17:45,200
you all was running around.

3898
03:17:48,360 --> 03:17:48,799
Speaker 6: I don't know.

3899
03:17:49,399 --> 03:17:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't blame you all was running around. You're gonna

3900
03:17:52,840 --> 03:17:57,079
you'll pull up have a coal when I'm buying. It's

3901
03:17:57,120 --> 03:17:57,559
in the book.

3902
03:17:59,879 --> 03:18:00,680
Speaker 7: You just said it.

3903
03:18:00,719 --> 03:18:06,079
Speaker 3: You just said what he really said. It not to

3904
03:18:06,120 --> 03:18:08,040
be one to turn down free beer, I replied.

3905
03:18:08,399 --> 03:18:10,840
Speaker 21: Man, maybe I'll drop on my bags off my room

3906
03:18:11,360 --> 03:18:12,399
and I'll take you about it.

3907
03:18:12,600 --> 03:18:18,280
Speaker 3: I'll be here, yes, he said, nursing a bottle. He

3908
03:18:18,440 --> 03:18:20,319
was just having a few beers to unwind, you know,

3909
03:18:20,440 --> 03:18:24,319
after the long ride of torture. So I brought my

3910
03:18:24,360 --> 03:18:26,360
bag up to my room and quickly changed into some

3911
03:18:26,520 --> 03:18:29,760
night clothes. Now I was beat after walking around the hotel.

3912
03:18:29,760 --> 03:18:30,440
I don't blame him.

3913
03:18:31,079 --> 03:18:33,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, no shit, you know he needed a few beers

3914
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:36,159
to unwide from the long bus trip that had beer

3915
03:18:36,600 --> 03:18:37,040
on board.

3916
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly that. He's already drinking beer. You know. I

3917
03:18:40,879 --> 03:18:42,879
think I laid down for a minute and probably passed out.

3918
03:18:42,920 --> 03:18:44,520
I'm not sure how long I was asleep, but it

3919
03:18:44,799 --> 03:18:47,200
probably didn't last long. Maybe I figured beer was waiting

3920
03:18:47,239 --> 03:18:49,120
for me with a few drinks and that would help

3921
03:18:49,159 --> 03:18:51,680
me sleep better. Next thing I know, I snapped to

3922
03:18:51,799 --> 03:18:55,600
it and Steve and I are sitting there at the

3923
03:18:55,639 --> 03:18:59,719
bar alone having a beer. I don't even remember leaving

3924
03:18:59,719 --> 03:19:01,520
the room. We're walking back to the bar. I was

3925
03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:04,639
just in a daze from sleep deprivation, but somehow made

3926
03:19:04,680 --> 03:19:07,200
it to the stool with Steve for a nightcap to

3927
03:19:07,440 --> 03:19:09,479
end the mother of all road trips. Sure you didn't

3928
03:19:09,479 --> 03:19:12,719
take a pill? Are you sure you didn't just fall

3929
03:19:12,799 --> 03:19:16,760
sleep with the bar leon Now the way Steve tells

3930
03:19:16,799 --> 03:19:18,479
the story, I wandered down the hall in nothing but

3931
03:19:18,600 --> 03:19:22,600
my underwear, no shirt, no shoes, no shorts, no problem.

3932
03:19:24,920 --> 03:19:27,680
He claims. He looked over at me as I sat

3933
03:19:27,799 --> 03:19:28,920
down and couldn't believe his eyes.

3934
03:19:28,959 --> 03:19:32,879
Speaker 21: Steve says, no, there were there four star hotel in

3935
03:19:32,959 --> 03:19:35,639
England and out of nowhere comes a four and twenty

3936
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:38,120
pound man and nothing but his nothing but his.

3937
03:19:38,159 --> 03:19:41,920
Speaker 3: Tied of whities. Yep, he says. He looked me over

3938
03:19:42,079 --> 03:19:44,399
for only a few seconds and hmm, and then he

3939
03:19:44,440 --> 03:19:48,920
shrugged it off. Hey man, what's going on? Unbelievable. Only

3940
03:19:48,959 --> 03:19:54,440
wrestlers say, oh no, I couldn't see. I want a beer.

3941
03:19:55,479 --> 03:19:57,559
The thing is Steve was out of it. Not only

3942
03:19:57,680 --> 03:19:59,520
do you have to endure the same exact trip that

3943
03:19:59,600 --> 03:20:01,719
I had, but he already had a few beers and

3944
03:20:01,799 --> 03:20:03,799
him on top of that, his judgment had to be

3945
03:20:03,879 --> 03:20:06,719
off on the whole underwear thing. I may have been

3946
03:20:06,760 --> 03:20:08,879
a little punch drunk from jet lag, but I was

3947
03:20:08,959 --> 03:20:10,440
not walking around the hotel in the middle of the

3948
03:20:10,520 --> 03:20:14,639
night in some sweet fruit of the loom. Seriously, they

3949
03:20:14,680 --> 03:20:17,840
were white shorts. Oh so we're still topless and no shoes,

3950
03:20:18,000 --> 03:20:24,680
just wearing fucking you know, like white sorts or box

3951
03:20:24,760 --> 03:20:27,559
of briefs. Yeah, don't don't say, don't say I had

3952
03:20:28,079 --> 03:20:32,799
underwear on. Yeah, right, exactly what I was wearing bike shorts,

3953
03:20:32,840 --> 03:20:37,840
for fock's sake, Really tight white bike shorts. That's all

3954
03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:42,239
we need from fucking Voder. They were white shorts, you know,

3955
03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:44,360
like those trunks should go to the gym with right.

3956
03:20:44,559 --> 03:20:46,879
You know, you don't really think that for one second

3957
03:20:46,920 --> 03:20:49,399
that big Van Vader would go parading around a public

3958
03:20:49,479 --> 03:20:52,000
place in a big city nothing but his skivvies, do you?

3959
03:20:53,959 --> 03:20:57,600
Or maybe I was? It's a long flight. Either way,

3960
03:20:57,639 --> 03:20:59,799
Steve and I just sat there talking and started drinking

3961
03:20:59,840 --> 03:21:02,559
more beer, like it's nobody's business. We started by talking

3962
03:21:02,559 --> 03:21:10,360
about the burn deal. We started talking about the burn

3963
03:21:10,479 --> 03:21:13,000
deal WSW gave us on this tour. Then we talked

3964
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:14,879
a little bit about some matches, and all of a sudden,

3965
03:21:15,079 --> 03:21:19,200
all hell broke loose. Yes, there was banging, hanging and banging.

3966
03:21:19,239 --> 03:21:23,479
Dude broller right concerning there was a loud crash. There

3967
03:21:23,559 --> 03:21:25,920
was a glass breaking well with Steve Austin, I imagine

3968
03:21:25,920 --> 03:21:29,040
so coming from my background in Compton, I thought there

3969
03:21:29,120 --> 03:21:31,639
was some kind of robbery going on. Neither one of

3970
03:21:31,719 --> 03:21:34,159
us could really see what had happened both, but we

3971
03:21:34,399 --> 03:21:37,280
both jumped off the stools and headed for the noise.

3972
03:21:37,799 --> 03:21:40,040
It wasn't clear exactly where the sound was coming from,

3973
03:21:40,200 --> 03:21:42,680
but one thing was for certain. Somebody was in a

3974
03:21:42,760 --> 03:21:46,799
violent fight and it was still going on. I walked

3975
03:21:46,879 --> 03:21:48,680
further in that direction, and the next thing I know,

3976
03:21:49,239 --> 03:21:52,479
man Sid comes walking right up next to me. Sid.

3977
03:21:53,360 --> 03:21:54,440
Speaker 6: What the hell that knows?

3978
03:21:55,600 --> 03:21:58,920
Speaker 3: Sid didn't say anything. That memory serves me well. I

3979
03:21:59,000 --> 03:22:01,040
didn't realize that he was hurt until I looked down,

3980
03:22:01,639 --> 03:22:03,360
either just to the left of his belly button or

3981
03:22:03,479 --> 03:22:06,959
just to the right. Sid had a dark, nasty hole

3982
03:22:07,280 --> 03:22:11,479
in him. Wow, the size of a penny, and a

3983
03:22:11,559 --> 03:22:14,639
black trickle started to pull spill out under the floor.

3984
03:22:16,559 --> 03:22:18,879
He wasn't doing the Frankenstein walk and couldn't He was

3985
03:22:18,959 --> 03:22:21,760
doing the Frankenstein walk and couldn't hear me. I shook

3986
03:22:21,799 --> 03:22:23,719
him and looked him in the looked him in the eye, Sid.

3987
03:22:24,719 --> 03:22:27,799
Sid look at me. I was grabbing him. I was

3988
03:22:27,799 --> 03:22:31,280
grabbing both his shoulders. What happened? He stopped moving around

3989
03:22:31,280 --> 03:22:33,479
and tried to focus on me. He swallowed hard and

3990
03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:36,559
found difficulty in talking at first. Then he focused it

3991
03:22:36,600 --> 03:22:41,360
and said and just said Leon. Sid lifted his palms

3992
03:22:41,399 --> 03:22:43,559
and looked down at his stomach. He put his hand

3993
03:22:43,600 --> 03:22:46,360
on it again and immediately turned red. Sid tried to

3994
03:22:46,399 --> 03:22:48,719
pull away from me, but I held him there Sid.

3995
03:22:49,440 --> 03:22:52,280
Since they still I looked at the hole and it

3996
03:22:52,319 --> 03:22:55,760
was getting worse. A nickel sized stream of dark, gooey

3997
03:22:55,879 --> 03:22:59,280
blood squirted out every time his heart pumped, Oh God,

3998
03:22:59,799 --> 03:23:03,360
and dump under the floor. It launched out of his

3999
03:23:03,440 --> 03:23:06,760
body about four inches before it fell down. It wasn't

4000
03:23:06,799 --> 03:23:10,840
trickling down his stomach. It was projectile squirting outwards. Wow.

4001
03:23:11,520 --> 03:23:14,479
Sid's mouth opened, but there were no words. More syrup

4002
03:23:14,680 --> 03:23:17,879
like blood spurted out about two to three inches and

4003
03:23:18,040 --> 03:23:21,440
dropped again to the splatter pile collecting on the floor.

4004
03:23:22,440 --> 03:23:24,799
He was not gonna last long like this. He'll bleed

4005
03:23:24,879 --> 03:23:28,280
to death. Sid, trust me, I said. I grabbed one

4006
03:23:28,319 --> 03:23:31,280
of the chairs off the floor and pulled it up

4007
03:23:31,319 --> 03:23:33,200
to Maybe it's the one that was twenty feet away.

4008
03:23:33,079 --> 03:23:34,559
Speaker 8: As they broke off the leg and threw it down

4009
03:23:34,600 --> 03:23:35,040
the hallway.

4010
03:23:35,319 --> 03:23:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and pulled it up to Sid's paling body. I

4011
03:23:38,520 --> 03:23:41,120
got eye level with the deep laceration and sat down.

4012
03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:43,879
I said, Sid, you gonna trust me? Okay, don't move.

4013
03:23:44,360 --> 03:23:47,600
Are you're gonna die? Sid looked like a like you

4014
03:23:47,639 --> 03:23:50,360
saw ghost. He didn't speak, but watched me measure each

4015
03:23:51,040 --> 03:23:54,200
of my fingertips up to the open spout on his stomach.

4016
03:23:54,920 --> 03:23:57,559
Once I realized that I needed my thickest finger to

4017
03:23:57,680 --> 03:24:01,120
do the job, I stuck out my thumb like little

4018
03:24:03,639 --> 03:24:09,520
like little Jack Horner, you're a fucking idiot, stupid fucking analogy,

4019
03:24:10,399 --> 03:24:14,440
you know, like you couldn't think of it, Like you

4020
03:24:14,479 --> 03:24:15,200
don't even need to.

4021
03:24:15,239 --> 03:24:18,040
Speaker 8: Fucking he's saving a man's life. Listen, I'm with you,

4022
03:24:18,479 --> 03:24:20,040
but don't compare yourself to the little Jack like. You

4023
03:24:20,079 --> 03:24:22,319
don't need to do that at this point. Just save

4024
03:24:22,360 --> 03:24:22,959
his fucking life.

4025
03:24:23,159 --> 03:24:25,440
Speaker 3: Compare yourself the tim Horner. Maybe, Yeah, there you go,

4026
03:24:27,079 --> 03:24:30,440
and pushed. It was more like the legend of Hans Brinka.

4027
03:24:32,159 --> 03:24:34,120
You know the story of the little Dutch boy who

4028
03:24:34,200 --> 03:24:36,559
saves his country from a flood by sticking his finger

4029
03:24:36,600 --> 03:24:41,360
in a leaking dike. Ex I thought you stuck your

4030
03:24:41,399 --> 03:24:47,440
finger and sid The boy stays there all night in

4031
03:24:47,479 --> 03:24:49,479
spite of the cold, until the adults of the village

4032
03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:52,639
find him and make the necessary repairs. In the end,

4033
03:24:52,719 --> 03:24:54,360
he was a hero and save the village from a

4034
03:24:54,399 --> 03:24:57,079
broken dam I'll see, Vata wants me be the hero

4035
03:24:57,200 --> 03:25:01,239
of the broken damn save broken goddamn. Yeah, damn. He's

4036
03:25:01,239 --> 03:25:05,079
standing there saying, damn, what the hell you doing? Yeah, God, damn,

4037
03:25:05,120 --> 03:25:06,920
vadd what are you doing over there? Said squirting on

4038
03:25:07,000 --> 03:25:11,200
the gammick yeah, yeah, sid digged over there, hell said,

4039
03:25:11,239 --> 03:25:13,760
I never had you for a squirt or sign squ.

4040
03:25:13,879 --> 03:25:16,000
Speaker 21: Said, I don't know you're poort hot over here? The

4041
03:25:16,079 --> 03:25:18,559
hell's going on? God, damn Vador, What are you sticking

4042
03:25:18,600 --> 03:25:19,280
this som in there for?

4043
03:25:19,639 --> 03:25:22,319
Speaker 8: Can we take a moment to reconsider the hotel staff? Okay,

4044
03:25:22,680 --> 03:25:28,639
the wrestlers come in, Yes, crack of dawn. Convince them

4045
03:25:28,680 --> 03:25:30,479
to force them to open the bar.

4046
03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:31,719
Speaker 3: Yes.

4047
03:25:31,879 --> 03:25:35,200
Speaker 8: One wrestler, the biggest, nastiest, smelliest guy you've ever seen

4048
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:38,040
in your life, comes out with nothing but brief brief

4049
03:25:38,079 --> 03:25:41,319
song essentially, or boxers on and sit to the bar

4050
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:42,479
and complete violent.

4051
03:25:42,239 --> 03:25:45,840
Speaker 3: Imagine Okay again just just picture him. But you're lean, white,

4052
03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:51,639
stumbling in a daze with nothing but box your brief song.

4053
03:25:51,600 --> 03:25:56,399
Speaker 8: No problem in a swanky hotel bar after you know,

4054
03:25:56,440 --> 03:26:00,520
a nine hour road trip. They see that the hall already,

4055
03:26:01,079 --> 03:26:05,040
the inconvenience already, the breach of protocol already, and they

4056
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:08,399
finally makes peace with it somehow. And then here comes

4057
03:26:08,440 --> 03:26:12,559
another wrestler, and he has shattered two glass doors.

4058
03:26:12,319 --> 03:26:12,840
Speaker 3: On the way down.

4059
03:26:12,879 --> 03:26:15,680
Speaker 8: According to too gold Scorpio, he is walking like a

4060
03:26:15,799 --> 03:26:18,360
zombie and he is squirting projectile blood out of his

4061
03:26:18,479 --> 03:26:21,680
side a mile away, and the wrestler without a shirt

4062
03:26:21,719 --> 03:26:23,639
on is tackling him to the floor and sticking his

4063
03:26:23,799 --> 03:26:29,840
thumb in the hole. And this is my night at work, Neville.

4064
03:26:30,200 --> 03:26:32,639
Speaker 3: See what they couldn't do? Nover? There is some man

4065
03:26:32,760 --> 03:26:34,639
sticking the thumb in a man's body.

4066
03:26:37,360 --> 03:26:37,520
Speaker 14: Is he.

4067
03:26:39,000 --> 03:26:39,680
Speaker 3: Is he hurt?

4068
03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:42,000
Speaker 6: Well?

4069
03:26:42,079 --> 03:26:44,520
Speaker 3: I think the gent is hurt. I thought, you know,

4070
03:26:44,680 --> 03:26:48,399
I don't mean to be insensitive at this time, but

4071
03:26:48,440 --> 03:26:49,719
I thought all the ship was fiting.

4072
03:26:49,879 --> 03:26:54,879
Speaker 8: Oh that's a hell. We need we need some help.

4073
03:26:55,719 --> 03:26:57,879
My friend here is really in dire straits. He's bleeding

4074
03:26:57,879 --> 03:27:01,239
all over the place. Wait, the tricks of the trades

4075
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:03,079
we were quite familiar.

4076
03:27:03,159 --> 03:27:06,319
Speaker 3: And we do you mean you mean quote unquote really

4077
03:27:08,200 --> 03:27:11,760
he's putting that end quotes are he's bleeding again? More

4078
03:27:11,840 --> 03:27:17,479
ketch up? Maybe? Yeah? The blood package. Keeping your trunks?

4079
03:27:18,239 --> 03:27:19,600
What you do you keep me in your trunks when

4080
03:27:19,600 --> 03:27:22,280
you travel? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. It's it's

4081
03:27:22,319 --> 03:27:24,520
probably a smart move. You never know when you get

4082
03:27:24,559 --> 03:27:27,159
to kind of, you know, convince the fans, you know

4083
03:27:27,959 --> 03:27:35,280
your base worked at this hotel. Okay, it's pretty good,

4084
03:27:35,319 --> 03:27:37,239
it's pretty good. It's pretty pretty convincing. Take a look

4085
03:27:37,280 --> 03:27:40,600
at this. Is that a real chair that you guys bring?

4086
03:27:40,760 --> 03:27:46,399
Something a proper wrong with you off? You know, one

4087
03:27:46,440 --> 03:27:49,040
time I was over at the you know, I flew

4088
03:27:49,079 --> 03:27:50,680
over and took a trip to the States. I saw

4089
03:27:51,200 --> 03:27:52,879
I saw a wrestling match. I saw the whole thing.

4090
03:27:52,959 --> 03:27:56,120
You know, you guys, you know you hit yourselves with

4091
03:27:56,200 --> 03:27:59,479
the chairs, and you know you do the moves and

4092
03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:01,520
you're talk each other over the top ropes and ship

4093
03:28:01,639 --> 03:28:03,319
like that. I get it, you know, I see it.

4094
03:28:03,760 --> 03:28:05,920
I don't believe it, you know, just you know, I don't.

4095
03:28:05,920 --> 03:28:07,520
I don't buy it one bit. I can see where

4096
03:28:07,520 --> 03:28:07,879
it's fake.

4097
03:28:08,200 --> 03:28:12,639
Speaker 8: Never Yeah, fancy that they even find a way to

4098
03:28:12,799 --> 03:28:14,840
make it smell like iron smell smell.

4099
03:28:14,600 --> 03:28:16,600
Speaker 3: The blood, I think, you know that's what. It's crazy,

4100
03:28:16,959 --> 03:28:20,399
that's very you got you guys met you guys melt

4101
03:28:20,440 --> 03:28:21,840
like copper or something like that, and you put it

4102
03:28:21,879 --> 03:28:25,000
inside the blood capsules that you do because like homemade.

4103
03:28:25,680 --> 03:28:28,200
But that's fantastic. You're not going to help my friend,

4104
03:28:28,280 --> 03:28:33,040
are you? What it's like? What understand?

4105
03:28:33,079 --> 03:28:33,120
Speaker 7: What?

4106
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:34,680
Speaker 3: What do you want to help? Someone I know doesn't

4107
03:28:34,680 --> 03:28:38,559
need helping because he's just faking. You got your own

4108
03:28:38,680 --> 03:28:41,000
Jack Horner here. That would be you know, look at that,

4109
03:28:41,079 --> 03:28:42,680
look at you know, it's it's like I can see it.

4110
03:28:42,760 --> 03:28:44,559
I can see he's folded his thumb over. He's not

4111
03:28:45,000 --> 03:28:47,520
taking his thumb in there. I've seen magic tricks. I've

4112
03:28:47,520 --> 03:28:52,719
seen David Copperfield. Listen that I'm more about the illusion,

4113
03:28:53,000 --> 03:28:55,879
all right, listen't he listen. I'll tell you what. Honestly,

4114
03:28:56,200 --> 03:28:59,840
the secret safe with me, right, I won't tell you

4115
03:29:00,319 --> 03:29:01,639
tell this story. I'll tell you hey, you know what.

4116
03:29:01,719 --> 03:29:04,479
Oh yeah, these these these blokes over here, they fucking fought,

4117
03:29:04,600 --> 03:29:08,079
you know, big deal. You know, talk about how crazy

4118
03:29:08,159 --> 03:29:09,479
or not it was, and I won't tell anyone that

4119
03:29:09,600 --> 03:29:11,280
you know, it was all. It was all put on,

4120
03:29:11,399 --> 03:29:11,559
you know.

4121
03:29:11,879 --> 03:29:15,200
Speaker 8: Fast forward eight hours after the shift, Nigel arrives back

4122
03:29:15,239 --> 03:29:17,399
at the flat. It was an overnight, so it's like

4123
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:19,879
eight am, and he makes it accustomed to keep you know,

4124
03:29:19,920 --> 03:29:22,319
household harmony, to have you know, maybe a twenty thirty

4125
03:29:22,360 --> 03:29:24,440
minute conversation with his wife in the kitchen after she's

4126
03:29:24,479 --> 03:29:26,200
brought the kids to school about how his day was.

4127
03:29:26,239 --> 03:29:28,399
Before he sleeps, you know, for the you know, for

4128
03:29:28,479 --> 03:29:30,559
the morning, to prepare for the next shift, and she's

4129
03:29:30,760 --> 03:29:34,319
washing she's washing dishes. She says, Neville, how was your day?

4130
03:29:34,559 --> 03:29:35,399
What happened today?

4131
03:29:36,200 --> 03:29:38,159
Speaker 3: Bybe I gotta tell you something. I'll tell you something

4132
03:29:38,200 --> 03:29:43,239
that was just totally totally bunkers. Yeah, I'm just you know,

4133
03:29:43,600 --> 03:29:45,920
just you know, usually overnight shift, you know, it's kind

4134
03:29:45,959 --> 03:29:49,360
of peaceful. She's pretty quiet. You know, nobody, he know,

4135
03:29:49,600 --> 03:29:51,360
nobody really crazy walks in. But all of a sudden,

4136
03:29:51,399 --> 03:29:53,319
you know, here we are, and all of a sudden,

4137
03:29:53,399 --> 03:29:57,280
this this bus pulls up right, his buss pull up

4138
03:29:57,399 --> 03:29:59,200
was it's always fucking wrestless.

4139
03:30:00,639 --> 03:30:03,479
Speaker 8: And I don't know, I don't exaggerate what I say.

4140
03:30:03,520 --> 03:30:06,520
It looked like an unload and unloading of a clown car.

4141
03:30:06,680 --> 03:30:08,600
At the ceremony, It's like it's like a it's like

4142
03:30:08,680 --> 03:30:13,440
a fucking circus. Here comes hulking masses, all shapes, sizes,

4143
03:30:14,200 --> 03:30:16,719
all colors and creeds, and they're coming straight for us,

4144
03:30:16,920 --> 03:30:18,680
and they demand food and they demand drink.

4145
03:30:19,079 --> 03:30:23,239
Speaker 3: Babe, you've never seen men with heads this big. They're gigantic.

4146
03:30:23,760 --> 03:30:27,760
It's fucking crazy. And they come in and they're fucking hungry.

4147
03:30:28,040 --> 03:30:30,959
They're already drunk, but they want more drink. They want

4148
03:30:31,000 --> 03:30:32,840
the bar open, you know, they want the bar open,

4149
03:30:32,879 --> 03:30:34,319
and you know, here we are, like, you know, we

4150
03:30:34,479 --> 03:30:36,479
cleaned up already. There you kind of put it so,

4151
03:30:36,680 --> 03:30:38,680
you know, I talked to you know, I talked to

4152
03:30:38,760 --> 03:30:42,000
Nigel and he said, you know, just just give them

4153
03:30:42,040 --> 03:30:45,319
some fucking you know, give them some of the meat pies.

4154
03:30:45,760 --> 03:30:47,719
I sid, all right, you know, get them throwsy, you know,

4155
03:30:47,719 --> 03:30:50,200
the easiest things to do to throw them some meat pies.

4156
03:30:50,239 --> 03:30:52,159
And all of a sudden we throw them in in

4157
03:30:52,239 --> 03:30:54,120
the oven. You know, it takes in the micro away.

4158
03:30:55,079 --> 03:30:58,360
And also we come out there and it's like they're

4159
03:30:58,399 --> 03:31:01,159
fucking throwing beer at each other. I was like, what

4160
03:31:01,319 --> 03:31:04,600
the fuck is this? You know, I'm like, they're putting

4161
03:31:04,639 --> 03:31:08,319
on a show for us. Thought there's nobody. Yeah, there's

4162
03:31:08,360 --> 03:31:10,239
nobody in the fucking hotel. So was it part of

4163
03:31:11,600 --> 03:31:12,799
It's like, it's this part of the act.

4164
03:31:12,879 --> 03:31:15,719
Speaker 21: Yeah, they're gonna put it on for everybody because you know,

4165
03:31:16,159 --> 03:31:17,440
you know, when they're on TV, they got it.

4166
03:31:17,440 --> 03:31:18,920
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yeah, I hate you, I hate you.

4167
03:31:19,799 --> 03:31:23,639
Speaker 8: But my grandfather used to watch the grandfather just watched

4168
03:31:23,680 --> 03:31:25,760
a bit. Remember Daddy was number A.

4169
03:31:26,639 --> 03:31:29,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got big Daddy and you got the you know,

4170
03:31:29,360 --> 03:31:37,440
I mean you've seen you've seen pat roach bomba yeah,

4171
03:31:38,600 --> 03:31:39,639
you know. And then all of a sudden, you know

4172
03:31:39,719 --> 03:31:41,000
that all right, that they do their thing and they

4173
03:31:41,079 --> 03:31:43,520
go to their rooms and I'm thinking, all right, I'm

4174
03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:46,200
just gonna, you know, close up shop, if you will,

4175
03:31:46,840 --> 03:31:49,760
And all of a sudden, they put on another show.

4176
03:31:51,040 --> 03:31:52,079
Speaker 9: I was like, what the fuck is this?

4177
03:31:52,879 --> 03:31:55,799
Speaker 3: They put on another show for all of us.

4178
03:31:57,399 --> 03:31:57,719
Speaker 7: It was.

4179
03:31:58,280 --> 03:32:01,840
Speaker 3: It was absolutely insane. It was so fucking wild.

4180
03:32:02,079 --> 03:32:04,959
Speaker 8: They went to the trouble of calling the fuzz and

4181
03:32:05,120 --> 03:32:08,639
having them come to the hotel and actually they arrest

4182
03:32:08,760 --> 03:32:11,959
some of these people. It was the most realistic thing

4183
03:32:11,959 --> 03:32:12,600
you've ever seen.

4184
03:32:12,719 --> 03:32:14,680
Speaker 3: Jane. Let me tell you. I want to tell you something, right,

4185
03:32:15,920 --> 03:32:19,879
they actually put in They told me this. They melt pennies,

4186
03:32:20,559 --> 03:32:27,079
American pennies. They melt American pennies, and they put in

4187
03:32:27,120 --> 03:32:32,559
their blood caplets so it smells like iron. That's now,

4188
03:32:32,719 --> 03:32:35,280
I'll tell you what, you know what, that's commitment. I've

4189
03:32:35,319 --> 03:32:37,440
seen a lot of commitment in a lot of different places,

4190
03:32:37,479 --> 03:32:39,440
but that was fucking commitment. I mean, it was chaos

4191
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:40,799
and it was a lot of stress. But at the

4192
03:32:40,879 --> 03:32:42,319
end of the day, I do have to respect their

4193
03:32:42,360 --> 03:32:45,239
trade craft, you know, I said, you know, I want

4194
03:32:45,280 --> 03:32:46,680
to tell them. I said, yeah, look, I get it.

4195
03:32:46,719 --> 03:32:49,719
I get it. I get it absolutely, you know, I've

4196
03:32:49,760 --> 03:32:52,920
seen it all. I get it. It's fake. Fan, It's fine,

4197
03:32:52,959 --> 03:32:54,799
I don't I said, you know what you seeker safe

4198
03:32:54,840 --> 03:32:56,159
with me? Did you say there was a man without

4199
03:32:56,159 --> 03:32:58,319
a shirt on and all this? Oh, let me tell

4200
03:32:58,319 --> 03:33:00,840
you that was the best part. It was the best part.

4201
03:33:00,920 --> 03:33:03,879
All right. So here we are right see, we're just

4202
03:33:04,079 --> 03:33:05,959
you know, just mine my own business, mine of my

4203
03:33:06,000 --> 03:33:09,639
own business. It's wander around, you know, totting up whenever

4204
03:33:09,719 --> 03:33:13,920
I had to all of a sudden, this man must

4205
03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:18,879
be like, what maybe seven feet tall? All right, seven

4206
03:33:19,000 --> 03:33:25,600
feet tall, must weigh at least six hundred six hundred stone. Well, yeah,

4207
03:33:25,639 --> 03:33:28,600
that would actually be accurate. Must weigh he must weigh

4208
03:33:28,639 --> 03:33:30,760
at least six hundred stone, which is gonna be like

4209
03:33:30,840 --> 03:33:41,000
what like fucking eight thousand pounds? All right, he's bulging,

4210
03:33:41,600 --> 03:33:43,559
he's got this red hair, he's got this he's got

4211
03:33:43,600 --> 03:33:51,639
a double mohawks. He's got he's got this double mohawk,

4212
03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:53,559
all right, one on each the corner of his head.

4213
03:33:54,120 --> 03:33:56,840
He's an ugly motherfucker. Have you ever seen one? Just

4214
03:33:56,920 --> 03:33:58,440
one of the most ugliest men I've ever seen in

4215
03:33:58,440 --> 03:34:01,440
my life. So he comes in and he's he's drunk,

4216
03:34:02,799 --> 03:34:07,120
He's fucking drunk, and he's like, he's just a complete mess,

4217
03:34:07,360 --> 03:34:09,959
and he's headed for the party and he's wearing nothing

4218
03:34:10,399 --> 03:34:11,120
but it's skivvyes.

4219
03:34:14,680 --> 03:34:15,360
Speaker 12: What the fuck?

4220
03:34:17,079 --> 03:34:18,920
Speaker 3: This was one of the most craziest nights of my life.

4221
03:34:19,159 --> 03:34:24,760
I don't even know that heads off school went fine.

4222
03:34:24,840 --> 03:34:25,639
That's great, that's great.

4223
03:34:25,639 --> 03:34:27,840
Speaker 8: I think you've had a quite quite eventful night there.

4224
03:34:29,120 --> 03:34:30,600
Speaker 3: Usually I make we'll get a couple of winks in

4225
03:34:30,719 --> 03:34:34,159
when i'm you know, just because it's you know, overnight shift.

4226
03:34:34,159 --> 03:34:36,280
You know, not much happens, and so I usually get

4227
03:34:36,280 --> 03:34:38,719
a couple of winks in before you're during the middle

4228
03:34:38,719 --> 03:34:40,200
of the shift. But this time, I'll tell you with these,

4229
03:34:40,280 --> 03:34:41,920
with these, with these fucking.

4230
03:34:41,680 --> 03:34:45,159
Speaker 8: Winkers, sounds stress sounds stressful. Hand, but at least at

4231
03:34:45,280 --> 03:34:47,000
least one thing, at least we can hold on to

4232
03:34:47,079 --> 03:34:47,879
one thing, you know what that is?

4233
03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:49,680
Speaker 3: What's that? It's all fake?

4234
03:34:51,399 --> 03:34:53,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, I will say, you know, the one. The one

4235
03:34:53,840 --> 03:34:55,920
good thing is we got a couple of shows out

4236
03:34:55,920 --> 03:34:58,840
of it, you know, a couple of free shows. So

4237
03:35:00,520 --> 03:35:02,440
and I don't need to go see that fake shit anymore.

4238
03:35:03,319 --> 03:35:04,399
Speaker 3: And that's for a while.

4239
03:35:04,760 --> 03:35:08,559
Speaker 8: Sid and Vader and the rest cost WCW two customers

4240
03:35:08,600 --> 03:35:11,319
in the United Kingdom on that night. That was the

4241
03:35:11,360 --> 03:35:14,639
real tragedy. For all the work they put in.

4242
03:35:16,120 --> 03:35:21,559
Speaker 3: Eh, there's some funny shit. They yeah, that's right, Sorry, Leona,

4243
03:35:21,639 --> 03:35:28,120
we interrupted you. Yeah, uh o, condamn. The only difference

4244
03:35:28,120 --> 03:35:29,959
in the case was this hole was a little more

4245
03:35:30,040 --> 03:35:34,639
gross and a lot more red. I slowly eased my

4246
03:35:34,719 --> 03:35:45,399
thumb into that hole. God don't google this. Yeah, blood

4247
03:35:45,559 --> 03:35:48,600
oozed out down my wrist and I paid it no mind.

4248
03:35:49,239 --> 03:35:53,680
I pushed my I pushed my digit higher up in

4249
03:35:53,760 --> 03:35:54,760
that gaping slit.

4250
03:35:55,200 --> 03:35:58,120
Speaker 8: Jesus, calm down, dude, I'm trying to make yourself calm.

4251
03:35:58,159 --> 03:36:01,200
Speaker 3: Writing this sounds he just gotta being. When he put

4252
03:36:01,239 --> 03:36:06,799
his cock in the hole, look, my mind went there.

4253
03:36:06,840 --> 03:36:11,879
I mean said, say, I'm putting my fucking cock in

4254
03:36:11,959 --> 03:36:16,360
your hole. And then, as if that wasn't outrageous enough,

4255
03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:20,879
he takes out his wing man. Look, the big elephant man,

4256
03:36:21,559 --> 03:36:24,479
the big beastie one with the with the skivvies. He

4257
03:36:24,639 --> 03:36:28,520
fucking takes his pants down, all right, and he acts

4258
03:36:28,559 --> 03:36:33,520
like he's putting his cock in a fucking hole in

4259
03:36:33,600 --> 03:36:35,879
the fucking wound, the fake wound. He's sticking his cock

4260
03:36:35,920 --> 03:36:42,000
on this man's flesh. Listen again, I'll tell you what

4261
03:36:42,120 --> 03:36:50,479
right now, the commitment is bonkers, absolutely bonkers, just fucking crazy.

4262
03:36:52,520 --> 03:36:54,520
And you know, I'll tell you what. You know, he's exhausting,

4263
03:36:54,840 --> 03:36:57,120
He's absolutely exhausting. I had to get a fucking sandwich

4264
03:36:57,159 --> 03:37:02,000
in my way home, Eh, just fucking crazy. Got myself

4265
03:37:02,040 --> 03:37:02,799
a cheese sandwich.

4266
03:37:02,959 --> 03:37:05,319
Speaker 8: That's the craziest part of this whole thing is I

4267
03:37:05,760 --> 03:37:07,680
got a sandwich on the way home. That's how gotten too.

4268
03:37:07,719 --> 03:37:08,479
I was why all this.

4269
03:37:09,920 --> 03:37:11,399
Speaker 3: Because you know I don't like to eat, you know,

4270
03:37:11,600 --> 03:37:14,799
before I go to bed in the morning, so you

4271
03:37:14,879 --> 03:37:17,559
know when I worked to not shift, but I couldn't

4272
03:37:17,600 --> 03:37:20,200
help myself. I was so worked up. I'd to go

4273
03:37:20,319 --> 03:37:28,399
and I got myself a cheese on white bread. That's

4274
03:37:28,639 --> 03:37:29,959
fucking delicious.

4275
03:37:39,120 --> 03:37:43,680
Speaker 8: Oh shit, Uh, blood oozed out down my wrist and

4276
03:37:43,680 --> 03:37:46,040
I paid it no mind. I pushed my dish higher

4277
03:37:46,079 --> 03:37:50,799
up into his gaping, hurting me. He said, with his

4278
03:37:50,879 --> 03:37:53,920
knees beginning to buckle under him. You gotta take it, said,

4279
03:37:54,479 --> 03:37:55,360
you gotta take it now.

4280
03:37:55,639 --> 03:37:59,319
Speaker 3: On I wriggled it around, and why are you making

4281
03:37:59,319 --> 03:38:02,399
it worse, dude, Yeah, it move it around a little bit,

4282
03:38:02,559 --> 03:38:04,200
like just stick it in and stop moving.

4283
03:38:05,479 --> 03:38:05,680
Speaker 9: Hand.

4284
03:38:05,760 --> 03:38:10,840
Speaker 3: He's got it. I wriggled it around and and one

4285
03:38:11,000 --> 03:38:13,879
real thick glob hung off of my wrist like a

4286
03:38:14,040 --> 03:38:17,719
roasted I know, I know, I remember this part, Oh

4287
03:38:17,760 --> 03:38:25,200
my god, like a roasted red pepper. I finally got

4288
03:38:25,239 --> 03:38:27,559
in there a little bit more and the hole conformed

4289
03:38:27,680 --> 03:38:29,079
around my knuckle.

4290
03:38:30,399 --> 03:38:33,360
Speaker 8: And then I found a fucking uh Publano pepper, and

4291
03:38:33,399 --> 03:38:35,959
then I found a clove of garlic.

4292
03:38:36,040 --> 03:38:37,959
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, there were there were peppers all

4293
03:38:38,000 --> 03:38:38,760
over the floor.

4294
03:38:40,079 --> 03:38:44,280
Speaker 8: Because I was eating with my other hand, because I

4295
03:38:44,319 --> 03:38:45,639
had a back of peppers on my right.

4296
03:38:45,840 --> 03:38:47,760
Speaker 3: I always give a back of peppers by my side.

4297
03:38:48,040 --> 03:38:49,760
Speaker 8: The damnedest thing I ever saw, you know how, I said,

4298
03:38:49,840 --> 03:38:52,120
Leon at one point got a little hungry order to Casadia.

4299
03:38:52,920 --> 03:38:55,639
I shit you not, son, he's got one hand in

4300
03:38:55,799 --> 03:39:00,559
Sid's fucking, you know, uh bottomless pit hole on the

4301
03:39:00,600 --> 03:39:01,280
side of his body.

4302
03:39:01,360 --> 03:39:03,159
Speaker 3: Other hand eating the case.

4303
03:39:02,959 --> 03:39:06,520
Speaker 21: Of goddamn, he's gonna, you know, he's he's gonna gonna

4304
03:39:06,559 --> 03:39:09,559
stump up on Sid's hole on one side all the shot.

4305
03:39:09,559 --> 03:39:12,479
He's got a bag full of catching dish, and I said,

4306
03:39:12,520 --> 03:39:14,040
damn song, whatere'd you get the goddamn ketch.

4307
03:39:14,840 --> 03:39:17,159
Speaker 8: I'm worried about eating, and I'm looking at this thing.

4308
03:39:17,479 --> 03:39:19,920
I'm sizing it up, and I'm thinking, I can't get

4309
03:39:19,959 --> 03:39:22,399
more absurd than this. This is the tableau of the century.

4310
03:39:22,799 --> 03:39:24,600
And then I look down. I realized, No, there's one

4311
03:39:24,639 --> 03:39:27,000
more absurdity to it. Not only does he have his

4312
03:39:27,120 --> 03:39:29,120
finger in sids hole, not only does he have a

4313
03:39:29,200 --> 03:39:30,360
case of d in his other hand.

4314
03:39:31,079 --> 03:39:35,760
Speaker 3: He's hard. Well, that's the damn damn thing about it.

4315
03:39:35,959 --> 03:39:38,280
Speaker 21: All of a sudden, looked down and he's gonnas fucking cock,

4316
03:39:38,360 --> 03:39:40,559
hard as a rock, poking through his damn kivvyes.

4317
03:39:46,399 --> 03:39:48,079
Speaker 3: I assure you it was the case of DIA. They

4318
03:39:48,079 --> 03:39:50,920
got him hard and not the other thing. Absolutely it was.

4319
03:39:53,360 --> 03:39:56,719
Looking listen, sticking his finger into a wet hole is

4320
03:39:56,799 --> 03:40:00,600
not something that gets Leon White excited. I mean, that's something,

4321
03:40:01,239 --> 03:40:04,440
but you but you get melted cheese on a tortilla.

4322
03:40:04,639 --> 03:40:08,399
And now we're talking business. Oh my god, I mean,

4323
03:40:08,799 --> 03:40:18,920
I'll just come out hard right now. Instead of calling

4324
03:40:19,000 --> 03:40:21,840
for help for Sid, he's calling for help for the

4325
03:40:21,920 --> 03:40:23,920
fact that because both of his hands are occupied, he

4326
03:40:23,959 --> 03:40:27,239
can't hide his raging erection. And it's like someone to.

4327
03:40:27,280 --> 03:40:30,040
Speaker 20: Talk me down, someone to talk about cockdown. I got

4328
03:40:30,079 --> 03:40:32,520
my finger in sin, I got my handle and kissing deal.

4329
03:40:32,760 --> 03:40:34,239
I need help putting my cock down.

4330
03:40:37,239 --> 03:40:39,799
Speaker 8: Just lifted up, rested against my stomach and then put

4331
03:40:39,840 --> 03:40:47,559
my waistband right under the head. He's seven touch leon.

4332
03:40:47,680 --> 03:40:51,239
I mean, Jesus Christ, this thing is like forty feet

4333
03:40:51,239 --> 03:40:52,000
in circumference.

4334
03:40:52,600 --> 03:40:57,360
Speaker 3: Fucking such a nightmare. And I was the first.

4335
03:40:57,680 --> 03:41:00,799
Speaker 8: I took that from Tropic Thunder when he's shooting out

4336
03:41:00,840 --> 03:41:04,239
of the roof of the jeep. He loves shooting so

4337
03:41:04,399 --> 03:41:06,760
much that I think it's Ben Steeller looks at his crusches.

4338
03:41:06,799 --> 03:41:13,120
Speaker 3: Are you hard? Awesome? There's nothing funnier than an erection

4339
03:41:13,280 --> 03:41:16,719
in a situation like that. Yeah, yeah, when something completely

4340
03:41:16,959 --> 03:41:20,239
irregular right causes a fucking boner.

4341
03:41:24,559 --> 03:41:27,520
Speaker 8: So thank god Vader was there. I think is the

4342
03:41:27,559 --> 03:41:28,239
long and short of it.

4343
03:41:34,079 --> 03:41:34,200
Speaker 15: Uh.

4344
03:41:34,920 --> 03:41:37,280
Speaker 3: I wriggled around and got it. I finally got in

4345
03:41:37,399 --> 03:41:40,239
there a little bit more. No, it slowed the bleeding

4346
03:41:40,360 --> 03:41:44,520
enough and we waited. Steve Austin came up to the scene.

4347
03:41:44,600 --> 03:41:46,680
It must have looked like the darnest thing, with me

4348
03:41:46,840 --> 03:41:50,840
staring at my penetrated thumb in Sid's gut and blood

4349
03:41:50,879 --> 03:41:53,520
trickling out all over the place. He turned his.

4350
03:41:55,639 --> 03:42:06,079
Speaker 21: He turned his head away from the horror. Gag, goddamn, goddamn. So,

4351
03:42:06,200 --> 03:42:12,520
what the hell's going on here? Oh, I'll go get help.

4352
03:42:14,360 --> 03:42:17,559
I waited there for what seemed like an eternity. Neither

4353
03:42:17,600 --> 03:42:18,200
of us talked.

4354
03:42:18,479 --> 03:42:21,879
Speaker 3: I could feel the warm, wet goo rolling off my

4355
03:42:22,000 --> 03:42:25,479
wrist and it was the worst thing. Hand.

4356
03:42:28,479 --> 03:42:31,559
Speaker 20: God damn said, you got to go on my Casindea, No,

4357
03:42:31,840 --> 03:42:36,440
it's the cheese. You're right still looking at chee. I

4358
03:42:36,479 --> 03:42:38,239
got melted cheese on my kids, It on my hand.

4359
03:42:38,959 --> 03:42:42,440
Speaker 8: Goddamn you said, I got melt the cheese on my

4360
03:42:42,520 --> 03:42:46,680
case of dia. He almost said that in that moment, Steve,

4361
03:42:47,040 --> 03:42:48,479
I got melt the cheese on my case of.

4362
03:42:49,959 --> 03:42:52,600
Speaker 20: Melted cheese about Cassa, fuk am I going to.

4363
03:42:52,639 --> 03:42:54,600
Speaker 3: Do anything else relevant you want to tell me?

4364
03:42:54,680 --> 03:42:54,879
Speaker 14: In this.

4365
03:42:59,440 --> 03:43:01,600
Speaker 3: I remember looking down and seeing some of the thick

4366
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:05,319
like syrup droplets on the floor. Finally we heard some

4367
03:43:05,399 --> 03:43:07,399
commotion of people rushing down the hall. I'm happy to

4368
03:43:07,440 --> 03:43:10,959
say that my thumb kept him alive until the ambulance came.

4369
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:15,440
W CW should have taken some of the blame here,

4370
03:43:15,479 --> 03:43:18,639
he goes, I get it for driving us batshit crazy

4371
03:43:18,799 --> 03:43:20,879
like they did with the schedule, but of course they didn't.

4372
03:43:21,440 --> 03:43:23,200
The next day I got some more of the story.

4373
03:43:23,280 --> 03:43:25,959
Sitting on Anderson got into a major fight after we

4374
03:43:26,079 --> 03:43:27,879
left the dining hall. I thought it was a bar.

4375
03:43:29,319 --> 03:43:31,239
The fight was initially broken up by some of the

4376
03:43:31,399 --> 03:43:34,200
ww wrestlers, but the fight started up again and around

4377
03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:35,760
the time that Steve and I were having a drink

4378
03:43:35,760 --> 03:43:38,520
at the bar. The second time around, someone ended up

4379
03:43:38,520 --> 03:43:40,399
with a pair of scissors. The result was arn Anderson

4380
03:43:40,479 --> 03:43:44,319
ended up with twenty or so superficial lacerations, while Sid

4381
03:43:44,440 --> 03:43:47,959
took some very deep puncture shots to his body. Both

4382
03:43:48,079 --> 03:43:50,200
men spent the night in the hospital and were deported

4383
03:43:50,280 --> 03:43:53,440
the next day as the UK wanted nothing more to

4384
03:43:53,559 --> 03:43:58,159
do with our fucked up American wrestling bullshit.

4385
03:43:58,360 --> 03:44:01,680
Speaker 8: He said it, said it, honey, they said, you know,

4386
03:44:02,040 --> 03:44:05,000
they said that one of them was stabbed twenty times.

4387
03:44:06,959 --> 03:44:07,239
Speaker 6: Something.

4388
03:44:07,399 --> 03:44:09,520
Speaker 8: They were superficial wounds at best. You're not going to

4389
03:44:09,639 --> 03:44:11,920
kidney as to whether this was a real attack.

4390
03:44:12,719 --> 03:44:16,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, you said, tell me something. I'm aware

4391
03:44:16,319 --> 03:44:19,799
that there were some of those American carnival workers that

4392
03:44:19,920 --> 03:44:24,600
were doing some of those fixed matches and up up north.

4393
03:44:24,719 --> 03:44:27,479
Is that what I heard? Yes, yes, well all right,

4394
03:44:27,600 --> 03:44:31,760
I don't believe that we can support such a buffoonery,

4395
03:44:32,399 --> 03:44:35,239
I mean more here in the United Kingdom. I believe

4396
03:44:35,280 --> 03:44:38,520
therefore they must be deported immediately, and they must be

4397
03:44:39,159 --> 03:44:41,719
you know, whatever money they were going to make, which

4398
03:44:41,920 --> 03:44:46,440
obviously was illegally obtained, they must you know, give it

4399
03:44:46,799 --> 03:44:47,680
to us as a fine.

4400
03:44:47,799 --> 03:44:49,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's a key detail, Vader, missus there. They were

4401
03:44:49,920 --> 03:44:52,760
not deported for the fight. They were deported for consumer fraud.

4402
03:44:55,159 --> 03:44:58,399
Speaker 3: And we must tell the Americans we don't allow fraudulents

4403
03:44:58,559 --> 03:44:59,479
in the United Kingdom.

4404
03:45:01,040 --> 03:45:05,520
Speaker 8: Next morning, Precinct, the the fuzz whatever they call themselves,

4405
03:45:05,559 --> 03:45:12,840
the net wond Hi, I'm calling. I'm calling from a

4406
03:45:12,879 --> 03:45:13,799
newspaper New York.

4407
03:45:15,239 --> 03:45:15,399
Speaker 6: Hey.

4408
03:45:16,600 --> 03:45:22,440
Speaker 3: Hey if Britain. Hey, Look, I'm I've worked for I

4409
03:45:22,520 --> 03:45:27,360
worked Look, I worked for a major major American publication. Ah,

4410
03:45:28,000 --> 03:45:29,399
so let me tell you, let me ask you something.

4411
03:45:30,639 --> 03:45:35,719
You guys holding a bunch of fucking fake wrestlers. They

4412
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:37,559
were deported last night. If that's what you're referring to

4413
03:45:38,760 --> 03:45:41,000
can you tell me exactly? You know, I'm listening. I'm

4414
03:45:41,879 --> 03:45:44,920
I'm doing a story on them. You know, there are

4415
03:45:44,920 --> 03:45:47,040
a bunch of us working on this particular story about

4416
03:45:47,120 --> 03:45:50,239
really we want to expose the me that means the

4417
03:45:50,280 --> 03:45:58,159
media relations line just a moment. This is media relations

4418
03:45:58,200 --> 03:45:59,799
on it like we can't just talk to you know,

4419
03:46:00,040 --> 03:46:01,840
one person. You get the fucking scoop. I don't get it.

4420
03:46:02,639 --> 03:46:04,719
I don't get it. It's fucking England. It's why you

4421
03:46:04,760 --> 03:46:08,280
know what this is why we hello? Media relation? Yesh? Yeah, Hi,

4422
03:46:08,639 --> 03:46:12,399
I am. I am a newsletter for a major news

4423
03:46:12,440 --> 03:46:14,319
publication in the in the United States.

4424
03:46:14,479 --> 03:46:18,040
Speaker 8: What is the publication? What what is the name of

4425
03:46:18,120 --> 03:46:18,680
the publication?

4426
03:46:19,559 --> 03:46:25,399
Speaker 3: Uh? The City Light? Okay, the city Well, I worked

4427
03:46:25,399 --> 03:46:30,000
for the I worked for the the Binghamton Independent Gazette.

4428
03:46:30,399 --> 03:46:32,479
Speaker 8: Oh I thought it was the City Tell Peter follow

4429
03:46:32,520 --> 03:46:34,040
I said, Hi, please go ahead.

4430
03:46:34,799 --> 03:46:38,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, sure, sure, So listen. What I want to

4431
03:46:38,120 --> 03:46:40,239
know is, can you give me any information? You know,

4432
03:46:40,280 --> 03:46:42,959
we understand that a couple that a group of Americans

4433
03:46:43,159 --> 03:46:47,000
was was supported. Yes, yes, last night and can you listen.

4434
03:46:47,079 --> 03:46:48,639
I just I was wondering if you wouldn't mind going

4435
03:46:48,639 --> 03:46:48,840
on the.

4436
03:46:48,840 --> 03:46:52,280
Speaker 8: Record for to let us know exactly and in terms

4437
03:46:52,280 --> 03:46:54,520
of what the last night we did respond to a

4438
03:46:54,559 --> 03:46:57,239
hotel in Blackmon. I believe it was where we had

4439
03:46:57,280 --> 03:47:00,319
received reports of a of a violent altercation and and

4440
03:47:00,479 --> 03:47:03,239
and the lobby involving two wrestlers from what I believe

4441
03:47:03,360 --> 03:47:07,399
was the the w c W organization and when officers arrived.

4442
03:47:07,920 --> 03:47:08,959
Speaker 3: So do you know what the you know what this

4443
03:47:09,120 --> 03:47:11,360
w W thing is? Are you aware of what this is?

4444
03:47:11,920 --> 03:47:14,879
But how do you mean do you know what this is? Not?

4445
03:47:15,000 --> 03:47:18,120
American Company w what they what they do? What they are?

4446
03:47:18,479 --> 03:47:18,719
Speaker 12: They do?

4447
03:47:18,879 --> 03:47:21,680
Speaker 8: The theatrical wrestling there the we used to call it

4448
03:47:21,799 --> 03:47:22,559
World of Sport.

4449
03:47:22,639 --> 03:47:26,319
Speaker 3: Here we call it world of nothing because he doesn't exist.

4450
03:47:26,440 --> 03:47:29,159
It's a fake thing. It's bullshit.

4451
03:47:33,399 --> 03:47:38,559
Speaker 8: What he goes after the cop. This guy couldn't be

4452
03:47:38,840 --> 03:47:40,440
any less responsible for this.

4453
03:47:42,399 --> 03:47:44,680
Speaker 3: So can you can you can you repeat after me

4454
03:47:44,840 --> 03:47:46,719
that what you what they were doing was fake.

4455
03:47:46,840 --> 03:47:48,399
Speaker 8: I'd be glad to do that, sir. Are you gonna

4456
03:47:48,440 --> 03:47:49,159
quote say it?

4457
03:47:49,280 --> 03:47:52,239
Speaker 3: Say? Yeah, I'm gonna quote you what they do is fake? Yes,

4458
03:47:52,319 --> 03:47:54,559
it is. I'm glad. I'm glad you want to put

4459
03:47:54,559 --> 03:47:55,120
that in the story.

4460
03:47:55,280 --> 03:47:55,719
Speaker 6: I don't want to.

4461
03:47:56,079 --> 03:47:58,920
Speaker 3: Think me Listen to me. Listen to me. Listen. If

4462
03:47:58,920 --> 03:48:00,600
you thought it was real, I'd be fucking flying over

4463
03:48:00,639 --> 03:48:01,959
there right now and beating the ship out of you

4464
03:48:03,399 --> 03:48:05,520
with my bare hands. Yes I would. I would because

4465
03:48:05,520 --> 03:48:08,079
you know why, because everybody who fucking buys this ship

4466
03:48:08,159 --> 03:48:11,000
and watches this ship needs to be fucking beaten up

4467
03:48:14,200 --> 03:48:16,440
what you're doing from a consumer fraud point. Listen, all right,

4468
03:48:16,520 --> 03:48:18,120
so you gotta tell me something. You gotta tell me

4469
03:48:18,399 --> 03:48:19,319
why were they deported?

4470
03:48:19,799 --> 03:48:24,879
Speaker 8: They were deported for committing incredible huh, almost inconsortably violent

4471
03:48:25,000 --> 03:48:26,360
acts on you case.

4472
03:48:27,000 --> 03:48:30,600
Speaker 3: No, no, see, this is what happens. This is what happens.

4473
03:48:31,000 --> 03:48:34,079
Even the fucking idiot British police have been fooled and

4474
03:48:34,200 --> 03:48:38,479
fucking bamboozled by these motherfucker That's what happens, sir. I'm

4475
03:48:38,879 --> 03:48:41,159
I'm telling you exactly that nothing about it was real.

4476
03:48:42,120 --> 03:48:46,120
What you saw, the figments of your imagination, they weren't men,

4477
03:48:46,559 --> 03:48:50,239
they were illusions. That's how fake this ship is. That's

4478
03:48:50,280 --> 03:48:51,200
how deep it goes.

4479
03:48:52,840 --> 03:48:52,879
Speaker 7: You.

4480
03:48:53,879 --> 03:48:59,680
Speaker 3: You, good police officer, you have been fucking hoodwinked. You

4481
03:49:00,360 --> 03:49:04,360
have you've had listen, you don't know what you're talking about.

4482
03:49:04,639 --> 03:49:11,159
Speaker 8: He calls this guy for information, and he's barely said

4483
03:49:11,200 --> 03:49:14,559
a word and he's already been accused of not knowing

4484
03:49:14,600 --> 03:49:16,920
what he's talking about. Well, sir, with all due respect,

4485
03:49:16,959 --> 03:49:18,200
if you know what happens, then.

4486
03:49:19,840 --> 03:49:22,360
Speaker 3: You shut the fuck up and you understand something here.

4487
03:49:22,559 --> 03:49:24,920
What you need to do is execute them.

4488
03:49:26,639 --> 03:49:29,000
Speaker 21: You need to go around and find every one of

4489
03:49:29,079 --> 03:49:32,319
these fucking carnival bitches, and you need to fucking put

4490
03:49:32,399 --> 03:49:35,959
them up on a fucking wall and have them a

4491
03:49:36,040 --> 03:49:40,040
fucking firing squad eliminate them. That's the only way you

4492
03:49:40,200 --> 03:49:44,040
can save the fucking United Kingdom from complete fall.

4493
03:49:44,399 --> 03:49:46,879
Speaker 8: Well, they did say, a couple of them. I did

4494
03:49:46,920 --> 03:49:48,639
overhear them saying they were shooting each other.

4495
03:49:48,680 --> 03:49:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't quite know exactly. You need to shoot them

4496
03:49:52,879 --> 03:49:54,760
first look, And I know there's a whole fucking industry

4497
03:49:54,760 --> 03:49:57,079
out there over there with these fucking these fucking uh

4498
03:49:57,399 --> 03:50:01,159
you know, theatrical bitches. Something I have it tells very

4499
03:50:01,239 --> 03:50:02,840
healthy crowds here. Yeah.

4500
03:50:02,920 --> 03:50:06,520
Speaker 8: No, No, there's the thing. They're not healthy mentally speaking.

4501
03:50:06,559 --> 03:50:10,280
They're unhealthy. They've been brainwashed and they're thinking what they're

4502
03:50:10,360 --> 03:50:14,120
seeing is both real and or entertaining.

4503
03:50:16,639 --> 03:50:19,840
Speaker 3: How is it? How is it healthy to be to

4504
03:50:19,920 --> 03:50:25,159
think that you're being entertained when you're actually not being entertained. Huh.

4505
03:50:25,760 --> 03:50:29,719
I don't have a response to that, right, nobody should,

4506
03:50:30,000 --> 03:50:32,840
because nobody should ever be entertained by someone that's not entertaining,

4507
03:50:33,239 --> 03:50:38,479
and these guys are not entertaining. So what would you

4508
03:50:38,559 --> 03:50:40,079
like me to do? Exactly? Gin? Can? I Can I

4509
03:50:40,120 --> 03:50:41,799
do anything else? I said what I want you to do.

4510
03:50:41,879 --> 03:50:44,399
I want you to find all these fucking fake athletes

4511
03:50:44,639 --> 03:50:46,600
and dispose of them permanent.

4512
03:50:46,879 --> 03:50:49,760
Speaker 8: I thought you're representing a news organization calling finn.

4513
03:50:49,920 --> 03:50:52,040
Speaker 3: I am not presenting a news organization, and I'm gonna

4514
03:50:52,040 --> 03:50:54,280
write the story about it, but I need you to

4515
03:50:54,399 --> 03:50:56,520
do your part and take care of the people of

4516
03:50:56,600 --> 03:50:59,879
England and then I'll write about it. How are you

4517
03:51:00,079 --> 03:51:01,079
fucking save lives?

4518
03:51:04,040 --> 03:51:06,559
Speaker 8: Look, you have all the basis union to move in

4519
03:51:06,639 --> 03:51:10,079
on these fucks. They came to your country and they

4520
03:51:10,159 --> 03:51:12,520
created chaos. They spilled blood all over one of your

4521
03:51:12,559 --> 03:51:16,120
finest hotels. They showed no regard for local customs, They

4522
03:51:16,159 --> 03:51:17,319
walk around without shirts on.

4523
03:51:17,760 --> 03:51:18,559
Speaker 3: What more do you need?

4524
03:51:19,760 --> 03:51:22,959
Speaker 8: I mean, they are a disgrace to the public. It

4525
03:51:23,000 --> 03:51:25,360
should be disgrace to you, and I want you to

4526
03:51:25,479 --> 03:51:32,079
know that with my last breath on earth. Finish the sentence,

4527
03:51:33,479 --> 03:51:37,319
and I'm gonna tell you something. If it takes me

4528
03:51:37,479 --> 03:51:42,440
until I breathe my last breath, it is I'm going

4529
03:51:42,520 --> 03:51:46,360
to destroy every single one of these motherfuckers. And then

4530
03:51:46,399 --> 03:51:49,840
I'm going to destroy you because you've been no help whatsoever.

4531
03:51:50,959 --> 03:51:55,600
Fuck you, and fuck the United Kingdom. Click marsh neck,

4532
03:51:55,639 --> 03:51:56,559
get in here, we gotta talk.

4533
03:52:00,639 --> 03:52:00,840
Speaker 6: Ah.

4534
03:52:01,600 --> 03:52:03,959
Speaker 3: Are you done with the baby from New York Post?

4535
03:52:04,319 --> 03:52:13,520
Speaker 8: He's He's not a sixteen minutes producer? Is that the

4536
03:52:13,639 --> 03:52:14,559
end of the Vader excerpt?

4537
03:52:15,239 --> 03:52:15,479
Speaker 6: Umm?

4538
03:52:16,280 --> 03:52:18,680
Speaker 8: No, okay, yeah, we still haven't gotten to the part

4539
03:52:18,680 --> 03:52:21,159
if you can believe it, where sid owes him his life.

4540
03:52:21,280 --> 03:52:26,600
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, uh well Sid took some very different both

4541
03:52:26,680 --> 03:52:28,440
mens for the night in the hospital and we're deported

4542
03:52:28,479 --> 03:52:30,079
the next day. Says the UK wanted nothing more to

4543
03:52:30,120 --> 03:52:32,200
do with our fuck up be American bullshit. They canceled

4544
03:52:32,239 --> 03:52:34,520
a bunch of the dates from the tour. Some might

4545
03:52:34,600 --> 03:52:36,520
have thought that we as a whole would have been

4546
03:52:36,600 --> 03:52:39,639
reprimanded for all the drinking, but that wasn't the case. Actually,

4547
03:52:39,680 --> 03:52:41,079
this is one of the few times I was singled

4548
03:52:41,079 --> 03:52:43,399
out by the administration and praise hey, good job, Leon,

4549
03:52:43,680 --> 03:52:46,040
Hey I don't try to say good job, Leon. You

4550
03:52:46,200 --> 03:52:49,719
kept your cool and you saved a man's life. Finally,

4551
03:52:49,840 --> 03:52:53,040
I wasn't the bad guy. No matter who was right

4552
03:52:53,120 --> 03:52:55,920
or wrong, Neither Sid nor On have thanked me. Yet

4553
03:52:56,600 --> 03:52:58,120
you would have thought that at some point On would

4554
03:52:58,120 --> 03:53:00,920
have come up to me and said, hey, man, I

4555
03:53:00,959 --> 03:53:03,360
can't do arn his voice. No, I want to thank

4556
03:53:03,399 --> 03:53:05,840
you for sticking to your thumb. And Sid, if I hadn't,

4557
03:53:05,920 --> 03:53:07,079
Arn would have been in a heck of a lot

4558
03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:09,079
more trouble than he was. He could have been up

4559
03:53:09,120 --> 03:53:11,239
for murder charges had Sid died.

4560
03:53:12,040 --> 03:53:14,399
Speaker 2: He's a wrestling podcast.

4561
03:53:31,760 --> 03:53:35,639
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno

4562
03:53:36,079 --> 03:53:37,719
and JP Sorowe.

4563
03:53:37,920 --> 03:53:38,959
Speaker 3: He's walking on waffles.

4564
03:53:38,959 --> 03:53:44,440
Speaker 8: All right, Absolutely, that's story. So Sid, what do you say?

4565
03:53:45,680 --> 03:53:49,959
He was once dasked about this by Hannibal, and you

4566
03:53:50,040 --> 03:53:52,280
know this is your chance. You know, Vader says you

4567
03:53:52,360 --> 03:53:55,399
never thanked him for saving your ass, saving your life,

4568
03:53:55,440 --> 03:53:57,399
and saving arm from going to jail and all the rest,

4569
03:53:57,440 --> 03:53:58,879
and this being ten times worse than it was.

4570
03:53:59,559 --> 03:54:02,319
Speaker 3: Oh, can I guess that Sid actually put his own

4571
03:54:02,399 --> 03:54:06,879
thumb in his wound? Well something like that, and we.

4572
03:54:07,040 --> 03:54:09,719
Speaker 23: Will ask you about to go into that incident more

4573
03:54:09,879 --> 03:54:15,040
in our video interview with you, because we actually interviewed

4574
03:54:15,120 --> 03:54:18,680
Vader not too long ago and he told us about

4575
03:54:18,719 --> 03:54:20,520
a ten minute version of the story.

4576
03:54:20,680 --> 03:54:23,040
Speaker 16: So this is the thing is that I'm not going

4577
03:54:23,120 --> 03:54:25,120
to go into it right now. Either nobody knows a

4578
03:54:25,159 --> 03:54:27,959
ten minute version because he didn't fucking take ten minutes. Yeah,

4579
03:54:28,000 --> 03:54:31,719
it took just a couple of minutes. And Vader's little

4580
03:54:31,840 --> 03:54:34,719
fucking fat crowd baby ass was in the in the lobby,

4581
03:54:35,360 --> 03:54:38,440
you know, he wouldn't even where where the scuffle wash.

4582
03:54:38,600 --> 03:54:40,159
And I don't know what the story was, but I've

4583
03:54:40,200 --> 03:54:41,760
heard a few people's of the stories and they're not

4584
03:54:41,840 --> 03:54:44,319
even close the one person I think the stories what

4585
03:54:44,399 --> 03:54:46,760
I've heard from people sayings got a close story to it.

4586
03:54:46,879 --> 03:54:50,799
With the scorpio, I think he was actually looking out

4587
03:54:50,840 --> 03:54:53,680
the door, but you know he wasn't. He was just

4588
03:54:53,799 --> 03:54:56,799
looking at the door if he felt safe or you know,

4589
03:54:56,879 --> 03:54:59,319
thought he should have stepped in and done something. You

4590
03:54:59,399 --> 03:55:03,159
know he did, you know, he was just watching it. Now,

4591
03:55:04,920 --> 03:55:06,840
So that's the only person I know had that close

4592
03:55:06,920 --> 03:55:09,600
to a view of it. And I guarantee if you

4593
03:55:09,639 --> 03:55:12,479
asked him too, it wasn't it didn't take ten minutes down.

4594
03:55:13,079 --> 03:55:16,600
Speaker 23: You know, we did lobby about it, and he only

4595
03:55:16,760 --> 03:55:19,159
told us. He didn't go into the details about it.

4596
03:55:19,440 --> 03:55:21,399
He only went into about a two minute version and

4597
03:55:21,600 --> 03:55:24,079
just basically said what you said he saw.

4598
03:55:25,200 --> 03:55:28,079
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's what it was. It happened so fast, you know.

4599
03:55:28,440 --> 03:55:31,799
And again we'll tip our hand into order to get

4600
03:55:31,840 --> 03:55:34,040
into it right now, but they really did. It was

4601
03:55:34,120 --> 03:55:37,159
knocking the door. The guy came out attacking me. I

4602
03:55:37,200 --> 03:55:39,959
hated one time he went down, the scissors got in

4603
03:55:40,040 --> 03:55:42,360
my hand, and then that's the rest of the story.

4604
03:55:43,719 --> 03:55:46,680
Speaker 8: Great, so not so much thanks for saving my life,

4605
03:55:46,760 --> 03:55:49,120
but more you're a fat, cry baby piece.

4606
03:55:48,920 --> 03:55:51,399
Speaker 3: Of shit, Vader. I don't see any problem with that.

4607
03:55:51,840 --> 03:55:55,159
Speaker 8: Unbelievable and we got more than he bargained for out

4608
03:55:55,200 --> 03:55:57,079
of that clip. Not only did we get said responding

4609
03:55:57,120 --> 03:56:01,200
to Vader's version of events. Now, apparently two Cold Scorpio

4610
03:56:01,440 --> 03:56:04,120
was never even involved in the fracas as he framed

4611
03:56:04,120 --> 03:56:05,920
at the top of this episode. According to CID, he

4612
03:56:06,040 --> 03:56:08,360
was just watching. He didn't get physically involved and trying

4613
03:56:08,399 --> 03:56:11,479
to stop at or break it up, so he wasn't

4614
03:56:11,520 --> 03:56:14,239
hands on in the matter at all. At least we

4615
03:56:14,280 --> 03:56:18,600
can set Scorpio to the side. Wait a minute, he

4616
03:56:18,680 --> 03:56:21,559
should know a bit more than he let on about

4617
03:56:21,559 --> 03:56:24,399
an incident like this. June twenty fifth, twenty twenty four,

4618
03:56:24,520 --> 03:56:28,920
ex wrestler Too Cold Scorpio stabbed man needed staples stitches

4619
03:56:29,120 --> 03:56:32,760
TMZ dot com. The man who was viciously stabbed in

4620
03:56:32,799 --> 03:56:35,440
an altercation with ex wrestling star Too Cold Scorpio was

4621
03:56:35,520 --> 03:56:38,559
lucky to be alive with TMZ Sports obtaining horrific images

4622
03:56:38,559 --> 03:56:41,799
of the aftermath of the June fifteenth incident. As we

4623
03:56:41,920 --> 03:56:44,879
previously reported, the former ww Tag Team champion told cops

4624
03:56:44,920 --> 03:56:47,159
he was working a security shift at Love's Travel Shop

4625
03:56:47,200 --> 03:56:49,639
in Kansas City, Missouri, when an argument with a patron

4626
03:56:49,719 --> 03:56:52,600
over a cigarette turned physical. Fifty eight year old two

4627
03:56:52,639 --> 03:56:55,760
Gold Scorpio real named Charles Skaggs told authorities used a

4628
03:56:55,920 --> 03:56:58,680
knife out of self defense, claiming the man threatened him

4629
03:56:58,680 --> 03:56:59,440
and tried to grapple.

4630
03:56:59,680 --> 03:57:00,479
Speaker 6: Oh my god.

4631
03:57:00,680 --> 03:57:03,559
Speaker 8: The man suffered deep cuts to his head, chest, buttocks,

4632
03:57:03,639 --> 03:57:05,520
legs and abs in the fight and was rushed to

4633
03:57:05,520 --> 03:57:16,000
a nearby hospital for treatment. Okay, so got a mirror

4634
03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:19,440
image of the of the episode that he claimed to

4635
03:57:19,520 --> 03:57:24,920
be right in the midst of that's wild. So finally

4636
03:57:25,239 --> 03:57:28,760
on our well, at least in multiple perspectives. Here part

4637
03:57:28,799 --> 03:57:29,280
of the story.

4638
03:57:30,440 --> 03:57:33,159
Speaker 3: Let's turn to Colonel Rob Parker, Oh boy.

4639
03:57:33,680 --> 03:57:36,840
Speaker 8: As mentioned close allegiance with Sid. Sid gets him his

4640
03:57:36,920 --> 03:57:40,079
job in WCW, gives him his gimmick. And this is

4641
03:57:40,159 --> 03:57:42,040
just a few months after the clip we played where

4642
03:57:42,120 --> 03:57:43,959
Parker and Sid debut, if you want to put it

4643
03:57:44,000 --> 03:57:45,840
that way, at Slamboury nineteen ninety three in the spring.

4644
03:57:45,920 --> 03:57:48,000
Now we're in October. But here's the thing. Colonel Parker

4645
03:57:48,079 --> 03:57:50,920
is not in England with the crew because, as Parker

4646
03:57:51,000 --> 03:57:53,440
told Hannibal in a shoot interview, he doesn't have a

4647
03:57:53,479 --> 03:57:55,920
passport expressly, so no one can force him to go

4648
03:57:56,479 --> 03:57:59,040
on international tours. He just is not going to go.

4649
03:57:59,239 --> 03:58:02,520
That's just not his thing. He does not go on tours.

4650
03:58:03,239 --> 03:58:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably that right.

4651
03:58:05,520 --> 03:58:07,120
Speaker 8: And when you hear him tell the story, it kind

4652
03:58:07,120 --> 03:58:08,479
of sounds like a story he would have gotten from

4653
03:58:08,479 --> 03:58:11,159
Steve Austin, who, of course he managed in WDCW as well.

4654
03:58:11,920 --> 03:58:13,959
So his credibility can be questioned here not only because

4655
03:58:13,959 --> 03:58:16,319
he wasn't there, but because he kind of claims that

4656
03:58:16,639 --> 03:58:18,959
Steve Austin was also somehow involved in the fight when

4657
03:58:18,959 --> 03:58:20,399
you hear him recount what he heard, he kind of

4658
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:22,920
puts Steve in the mix with Arn, Invader, with Arn

4659
03:58:23,000 --> 03:58:25,399
and us Sid, which of course is not true, and

4660
03:58:26,840 --> 03:58:28,879
as well hear later in fact, Vader and Austin were

4661
03:58:28,920 --> 03:58:32,559
at the bar during everything until Sid shows up damaged.

4662
03:58:32,719 --> 03:58:35,559
So it's kind of it's a mark against him when

4663
03:58:35,559 --> 03:58:38,120
he starts going through the narrative and actually puts Austin

4664
03:58:38,200 --> 03:58:41,120
in the mix in this whole thing. But he does

4665
03:58:41,200 --> 03:58:46,479
say something that I think really warrants some examination. One

4666
03:58:46,520 --> 03:58:50,600
thing we perhaps didn't consider that that keeps following Sid

4667
03:58:50,719 --> 03:58:53,959
around his wrestling life as an albatross, and may have actually,

4668
03:58:54,319 --> 03:58:56,520
according to someone who knew him extremely well, and Colonel

4669
03:58:56,600 --> 03:59:00,440
Robert Parker contributed to this horrific episode. It makes a

4670
03:59:00,479 --> 03:59:02,200
lot of sense when he says it, but we haven't

4671
03:59:02,239 --> 03:59:02,719
even thought of it.

4672
03:59:02,799 --> 03:59:03,239
Speaker 3: On now.

4673
03:59:05,399 --> 03:59:07,440
Speaker 24: Try to laugh it off. And it went on and on,

4674
03:59:07,600 --> 03:59:13,680
and Arn threw a drink at him, and uh and uh.

4675
03:59:14,920 --> 03:59:19,520
Speaker 18: Altercation ensued there and here come the agents and everybody,

4676
03:59:19,559 --> 03:59:21,959
and they just close the bar. They said, all of

4677
03:59:22,040 --> 03:59:23,920
the guys that'll go back to the room and get

4678
03:59:23,959 --> 03:59:28,200
out of here. And it's into that and so they

4679
03:59:28,280 --> 03:59:30,399
go back to their rooms. And Arn's going in there,

4680
03:59:30,440 --> 03:59:33,559
and he's trimming up his beard and working on his beard.

4681
03:59:33,600 --> 03:59:36,520
And we get a little pair of scissors. And Sid

4682
03:59:36,639 --> 03:59:40,319
goes back to a room and h tears up a chair,

4683
03:59:42,079 --> 03:59:44,200
takes the leg off the chair and goes down to

4684
03:59:44,319 --> 03:59:49,799
him Art's room, and and uh, and Arnes is trimming.

4685
03:59:50,040 --> 03:59:51,719
Speaker 24: He hears a knock at the door. He goes to

4686
03:59:51,719 --> 03:59:53,079
the door, doing a little hole.

4687
03:59:53,159 --> 03:59:53,559
Speaker 6: It's Sid.

4688
03:59:54,440 --> 03:59:57,799
Speaker 3: And Sid says, a little hole. It's Sid.

4689
03:59:58,959 --> 04:00:01,680
Speaker 8: I never even thought of out him looking through a

4690
04:00:01,840 --> 04:00:05,840
key hole. Oh, I mean that's just something else. Yes,

4691
04:00:06,360 --> 04:00:08,159
I have to beg your forgiveness. I think I failed

4692
04:00:08,239 --> 04:00:11,600
to set this bite to continue, so I'm to start

4693
04:00:11,680 --> 04:00:14,000
over again here. Oh sure, And it's going to be

4694
04:00:14,040 --> 04:00:15,559
a bit of a tease for what's to come in

4695
04:00:15,680 --> 04:00:18,440
terms of, you know, diagnosing the cause I reference. This

4696
04:00:18,600 --> 04:00:21,079
is more just as I realize him talking. This is

4697
04:00:21,120 --> 04:00:22,959
more just Colonel Parker giving his side of what he

4698
04:00:23,040 --> 04:00:23,600
heard happened.

4699
04:00:24,399 --> 04:00:26,280
Speaker 24: Try to laugh it off. And it went on and

4700
04:00:26,399 --> 04:00:32,360
on and through a drink addim and and.

4701
04:00:33,959 --> 04:00:38,520
Speaker 18: Altercation ensued there and here come the agents and everybody,

4702
04:00:38,559 --> 04:00:40,120
and they just closed the bar.

4703
04:00:40,280 --> 04:00:42,040
Speaker 24: They said, all of the guys, we'll go back to

4704
04:00:42,120 --> 04:00:43,360
the room and get out of here.

4705
04:00:43,360 --> 04:00:44,159
Speaker 6: And it's into that.

4706
04:00:44,399 --> 04:00:48,799
Speaker 18: And so they go back to their rooms and Arn's

4707
04:00:48,840 --> 04:00:51,280
going in there and he's trimming up his beard and

4708
04:00:51,639 --> 04:00:53,440
working on his beard, and you get a little pair

4709
04:00:53,440 --> 04:00:57,040
of scissors. And Sid goes back to a room and

4710
04:00:58,479 --> 04:01:02,399
cares up a chair, takes the leg off the chair,

4711
04:01:02,680 --> 04:01:07,079
goes down to the arm's room and and uh and

4712
04:01:07,319 --> 04:01:10,239
Arn Arnes is trimming in. Here's a knock at the door.

4713
04:01:10,319 --> 04:01:12,079
He goes to the door, the in a little hole

4714
04:01:12,159 --> 04:01:18,360
that's sit and Sid says, uh L, let's let's, uh,

4715
04:01:19,159 --> 04:01:21,760
you know, let's go to bed on better terms tonight.

4716
04:01:21,920 --> 04:01:24,600
That uh you know that uh we're on the long

4717
04:01:24,719 --> 04:01:28,280
trip here, all of us together, and you know, open

4718
04:01:28,399 --> 04:01:29,479
up the door, shake.

4719
04:01:29,319 --> 04:01:33,920
Speaker 3: Hands the chair, a right, So yeah, right he does, and.

4720
04:01:34,040 --> 04:01:37,760
Speaker 18: Sid boot and seem what the thing now? I know

4721
04:01:37,920 --> 04:01:39,440
you probably talk to Sid. I don't know if you

4722
04:01:39,520 --> 04:01:41,680
got the same story or.

4723
04:01:41,719 --> 04:01:43,000
Speaker 6: Anybody like it. I don't know.

4724
04:01:43,600 --> 04:01:48,520
Speaker 25: This is the story that I got from my buddies,

4725
04:01:48,799 --> 04:01:52,959
my guys that were there, and also my guy that

4726
04:01:53,079 --> 04:01:56,319
I took over there, Steve Austin, in which he and.

4727
04:01:56,360 --> 04:01:58,239
Speaker 18: I went up and down the road all over w

4728
04:01:58,399 --> 04:02:01,680
C wfore well over year before he left to go

4729
04:02:01,799 --> 04:02:02,360
to New York.

4730
04:02:02,520 --> 04:02:03,719
Speaker 6: The stone call, so I had.

4731
04:02:03,760 --> 04:02:07,280
Speaker 18: Heard this stuff, and that then Arn take the bump

4732
04:02:07,360 --> 04:02:09,600
back in the floor, and Sid jumping on the top

4733
04:02:09,639 --> 04:02:12,760
of you and mean to take the leg from the

4734
04:02:12,840 --> 04:02:15,680
chair and peet his brains out, and Iron stuck the

4735
04:02:15,719 --> 04:02:21,079
scissors in him, and then then Sid selling the scissors,

4736
04:02:21,159 --> 04:02:24,840
and the fight starts again, and the scissors go over

4737
04:02:24,959 --> 04:02:26,600
there and they fight over the.

4738
04:02:26,639 --> 04:02:29,520
Speaker 24: Scissors, and Sid gets the scissors, and Iron takes off

4739
04:02:30,600 --> 04:02:34,040
for the elevator down the hall. He makes it to

4740
04:02:34,159 --> 04:02:38,680
the elevator, but it's one of them deals, give me done, but.

4741
04:02:39,479 --> 04:02:42,760
Speaker 18: It don't come quick enough, and Sid catches him there

4742
04:02:42,799 --> 04:02:45,200
at the elevator and stabs.

4743
04:02:44,879 --> 04:02:52,120
Speaker 24: Him twenty eight thirty times, with meaning, I think from

4744
04:02:52,159 --> 04:02:53,399
what I hear, to kill him.

4745
04:02:55,200 --> 04:02:56,120
Speaker 6: Very bad.

4746
04:02:57,159 --> 04:03:01,159
Speaker 8: From what I hear, meaning to kill him, yes, Worth noting,

4747
04:03:01,200 --> 04:03:04,440
and that Sid rejoinder to Vader, claiming to save his life.

4748
04:03:04,479 --> 04:03:07,360
He also stipulated that he doesn't think that the wound

4749
04:03:07,479 --> 04:03:09,159
was severe enough that there was any chance that he

4750
04:03:09,239 --> 04:03:11,200
was going to bleed out and die. So the way

4751
04:03:11,319 --> 04:03:13,280
Sid's the only Vader is the only one I've heard

4752
04:03:13,319 --> 04:03:15,680
described Sid as stumbling around like a zombie and barely

4753
04:03:15,760 --> 04:03:18,680
being able to talk or move at that point. So

4754
04:03:18,959 --> 04:03:20,879
Sid kind of throws cold water on that and says,

4755
04:03:20,920 --> 04:03:23,600
you know, the wound was he wasn't bleeding from any organs.

4756
04:03:23,639 --> 04:03:26,200
He wouldn't have bled to death. And he knows this

4757
04:03:26,319 --> 04:03:28,799
because they did quick exploratory surgery when they got him

4758
04:03:28,799 --> 04:03:31,520
to the hospital and were able to quickly handle it. Yeah,

4759
04:03:31,559 --> 04:03:35,360
but he would have known it then, Yeah, Yeah, it's

4760
04:03:35,399 --> 04:03:37,159
it's just I don't know, he just does not. Sid

4761
04:03:37,200 --> 04:03:39,200
does not want to give Vader credit for saving his life.

4762
04:03:39,239 --> 04:03:41,520
He just doesn't want to. I don't know why, but

4763
04:03:41,600 --> 04:03:45,000
he doesn't. So I feel like we've heard from everybody,

4764
04:03:45,079 --> 04:03:46,000
and do we have clarity?

4765
04:03:46,079 --> 04:03:46,479
Speaker 3: Of course not.

4766
04:03:46,600 --> 04:03:50,559
Speaker 8: This is professional wrestling, No listen, Everyone's going to tell

4767
04:03:50,639 --> 04:03:53,159
stories that serve themselves and unless you're like in a

4768
04:03:53,239 --> 04:03:55,879
court of law, you're not gonna, you know, tell the truth.

4769
04:03:57,360 --> 04:04:01,639
I mean, even then, shall we con the record, boss, Yes,

4770
04:04:02,559 --> 04:04:03,879
shall we take a look at the fact that as

4771
04:04:03,920 --> 04:04:06,239
part of our Sid tribute here at TLF, we did

4772
04:04:06,319 --> 04:04:10,680
the legwork and pulled some court documents from Mecklenburg County

4773
04:04:11,559 --> 04:04:14,719
in North Carolina, in which in nineteen ninety four, Martin

4774
04:04:14,799 --> 04:04:16,799
Lundy aka Arn Anderson.

4775
04:04:16,520 --> 04:04:18,520
Speaker 3: Sid sued, I'm in North Carolina.

4776
04:04:18,799 --> 04:04:23,520
Speaker 8: That's where Arn lived, Oh, I see sued Sid. Sid

4777
04:04:23,639 --> 04:04:25,600
made vague reference to it, talking about the twenty thousand

4778
04:04:25,639 --> 04:04:27,879
dollars retainer to the lawyer that's Arn never got a

4779
04:04:27,959 --> 04:04:31,120
piece of. And it's because this lawsuit is fire filed.

4780
04:04:31,120 --> 04:04:32,799
As far as I can tell that, Sid always takes

4781
04:04:32,840 --> 04:04:35,840
great pains to point out that he could have pressed

4782
04:04:35,920 --> 04:04:38,040
charges against Arn in England and did not, of course,

4783
04:04:38,360 --> 04:04:40,600
and this is the thanks he gets if he stabbed.

4784
04:04:41,000 --> 04:04:43,920
Speaker 3: The better man. Let's not forget that. Okay, he is

4785
04:04:44,040 --> 04:04:44,600
the better man.

4786
04:04:45,120 --> 04:04:47,719
Speaker 8: I stab the motherfucker, I don't press charges and then

4787
04:04:47,799 --> 04:04:50,520
he sues me. That's the thanks I get for stabbing

4788
04:04:50,680 --> 04:04:55,760
him and not charging him. With me stabbing him bought

4789
04:04:55,760 --> 04:04:56,239
a business.

4790
04:04:57,760 --> 04:04:58,280
Speaker 3: So here it is.

4791
04:04:58,959 --> 04:05:01,639
Speaker 8: And if we're going to pledge allegiance to one version

4792
04:05:01,680 --> 04:05:04,079
of this story, I think it's probably safe to pledge

4793
04:05:04,079 --> 04:05:06,000
allegiance to the one that Arne and his lawyer were

4794
04:05:06,040 --> 04:05:09,440
willing to set down in official court documents. That's kind

4795
04:05:09,440 --> 04:05:11,639
of what we do here at TLF, as we lay

4796
04:05:11,719 --> 04:05:16,520
out all the contradictory stories from the the menageray of Carnes,

4797
04:05:16,600 --> 04:05:18,879
and then we go a step further. And now we

4798
04:05:18,959 --> 04:05:20,639
go a step further when they have to step just

4799
04:05:20,719 --> 04:05:22,959
a little bit closer into that zone of truth known

4800
04:05:23,000 --> 04:05:26,639
as the American court system, such as it is. So

4801
04:05:26,719 --> 04:05:29,440
in nineteen ninety four, in the summer after this happens

4802
04:05:29,520 --> 04:05:32,920
and Sid is gone from wcw arn Anderson files the

4803
04:05:32,959 --> 04:05:38,399
following lawsuit. Complaint Plaintiff complaining of the defendant alleges and

4804
04:05:38,479 --> 04:05:42,200
says as follows. One, Plaintiff is an individual residing in

4805
04:05:42,239 --> 04:05:46,440
Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. Two upon information and belief, defendant

4806
04:05:46,520 --> 04:05:48,639
is an individual who resides in Mary in Arkansas, that

4807
04:05:48,719 --> 04:05:51,200
being said, and who transacts business throughout the United States,

4808
04:05:51,239 --> 04:05:54,120
including substantial activity within North Carolina. This is to establish

4809
04:05:54,440 --> 04:05:57,120
jurisdiction for this court. This court has jurisdiction in this

4810
04:05:57,239 --> 04:06:01,559
matter pursuant too a law, and venue is also properly

4811
04:06:01,600 --> 04:06:05,440
placed in this court pursuant to a law factual allegations.

4812
04:06:06,440 --> 04:06:06,799
Speaker 3: There we go.

4813
04:06:07,159 --> 04:06:10,040
Speaker 8: Plaintiff and defendant both make their living as professional wrestlers.

4814
04:06:10,719 --> 04:06:13,000
Upon information and belief, during the time period in question,

4815
04:06:13,120 --> 04:06:16,040
both the parties were under contract to World Championship Wrestling

4816
04:06:16,079 --> 04:06:21,040
Incorporated at Georgia Corporation hereinafter WCW. Well arne as we

4817
04:06:21,079 --> 04:06:23,319
were about to hear from SID. According to him, he

4818
04:06:23,440 --> 04:06:27,200
was decidedly not under contract at this point in time,

4819
04:06:27,239 --> 04:06:29,479
and that was in oversight more than it was anything else.

4820
04:06:29,559 --> 04:06:33,440
A hashtag WCW. In October of nineteen ninety three, Arn continues,

4821
04:06:33,799 --> 04:06:36,680
WCW arranged tour of professional wrestling matches for the United

4822
04:06:36,799 --> 04:06:39,040
Kingdom and Germany. Both plaintiff and defendant were to wrestle

4823
04:06:39,120 --> 04:06:42,000
on this tour. On October twenty seventh, nineteen ninety three,

4824
04:06:42,120 --> 04:06:45,120
both plaintiff and defendant appeared on wrestling card in Blackburn, England,

4825
04:06:45,200 --> 04:06:48,639
United Kingdom. After the conclusion of the matches, plaintiff and defendant,

4826
04:06:48,680 --> 04:06:51,879
along with numerous other wrestlers and WCW officials, returned to

4827
04:06:51,920 --> 04:06:54,680
the hotel at which all members of the tour were staying.

4828
04:06:55,440 --> 04:06:58,600
During a conversation at the hotel with several individuals, including

4829
04:06:58,639 --> 04:07:02,600
the plaintiff, defendant became verbally abusive towards the plaintiff and

4830
04:07:02,639 --> 04:07:06,239
physically threatened the plaintiff. Okay, so that's it. He was

4831
04:07:06,319 --> 04:07:10,559
threatened by SID during the conversation, not just up at

4832
04:07:10,559 --> 04:07:13,280
the hotel after an argument and after Arn threw a bottle.

4833
04:07:13,799 --> 04:07:16,040
Arne's claiming here, and this is important because Arn is

4834
04:07:16,120 --> 04:07:18,280
never gone on the record recounting this incident. As far

4835
04:07:18,280 --> 04:07:21,120
as I can tell, I see nothing of him giving

4836
04:07:21,159 --> 04:07:25,440
his blow by blow. Besides, yes, that's interesting, I wonder

4837
04:07:25,799 --> 04:07:28,360
is that. I'm sure what we're gonna get to this.

4838
04:07:28,440 --> 04:07:31,680
This lawsuit was settled. It's clear it's settled, and he

4839
04:07:31,799 --> 04:07:35,440
probably you know, agreed not to speak negatively about Sid

4840
04:07:35,520 --> 04:07:37,600
in exchange for whatever payout he got. Now Sid took

4841
04:07:37,639 --> 04:07:39,479
pains to say that Arne didn't see any of that money.

4842
04:07:40,440 --> 04:07:42,079
So maybe it was the kind of settlement where both

4843
04:07:42,120 --> 04:07:45,760
sides agreed to sort of tone to tone it down

4844
04:07:45,760 --> 04:07:47,920
a bit, but not you know, exchange funds.

4845
04:07:47,959 --> 04:07:48,360
Speaker 3: I don't know.

4846
04:07:48,760 --> 04:07:51,879
Speaker 8: Settlements in these types of matters are always confidential, so

4847
04:07:52,000 --> 04:07:53,879
you never really know what kind of money changed hands.

4848
04:07:53,959 --> 04:07:56,799
But I always assumed it's because Arn tried to assume

4849
04:07:56,840 --> 04:08:00,879
him didn't quite succeed, or or god a settlement that

4850
04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:04,600
had to keep him kind of hushed on it. During

4851
04:08:04,639 --> 04:08:07,239
a conversation of the hotel, several individuals defendant became verbally

4852
04:08:07,239 --> 04:08:11,159
abusive towards the plaintiff and physically threatened plaintiff. Ww's director

4853
04:08:11,200 --> 04:08:14,200
of security, Doug Dillinger, interceded in the argument between the

4854
04:08:14,200 --> 04:08:16,479
plaintiff and defendant and escorted the plaintiff back to his

4855
04:08:16,600 --> 04:08:19,440
hotel room. I think the fact that Arn name drops

4856
04:08:19,479 --> 04:08:21,479
Doug Dillinger, and here's probably a hint that if push

4857
04:08:21,559 --> 04:08:23,920
came to shove, he'd be willing to present Doug Dillager

4858
04:08:23,959 --> 04:08:26,360
as a witness who would give a ye, no doubt,

4859
04:08:26,399 --> 04:08:29,360
being a mid Atlantic guy, a favorable version of events

4860
04:08:29,479 --> 04:08:33,479
toward Arn Anderson. Okay, So Dillinger, according to Arn Anderson,

4861
04:08:33,520 --> 04:08:36,200
gets in the middle of the argument and es court's

4862
04:08:37,559 --> 04:08:40,840
Arn back to his hotel room. As plaintiff and mister

4863
04:08:40,879 --> 04:08:44,399
Dillinger were talking too Plaintiff's were walking rather to plaintiff's room.

4864
04:08:44,719 --> 04:08:48,719
Defendant continued to verbally insult the plaintiff and make threats

4865
04:08:48,760 --> 04:08:51,239
of physical violence. Nothing in here about breaking off a

4866
04:08:51,280 --> 04:08:54,040
beer bottle or anything like that. According to this version,

4867
04:08:54,159 --> 04:08:56,840
Sid is threatening him in the lobby and threatening him

4868
04:08:56,840 --> 04:08:59,799
on the way to his room. As plaintiff and mister

4869
04:08:59,840 --> 04:09:02,799
dill were walking the plaintiff's room, defendant continued to verbally

4870
04:09:02,840 --> 04:09:05,079
insult the plaintiff and make threats of physical violence. As

4871
04:09:05,120 --> 04:09:08,639
I read, shortly after returning to his room, plaintiff heard

4872
04:09:08,639 --> 04:09:11,120
defendant beating into or kicking on the door to his

4873
04:09:11,239 --> 04:09:11,840
hotel room.

4874
04:09:11,959 --> 04:09:13,559
Speaker 3: None of this, none of this.

4875
04:09:13,639 --> 04:09:15,559
Speaker 8: He had a beer bottle and so oh yeah, really

4876
04:09:15,760 --> 04:09:18,399
or none of this like to Parker's version, none of this.

4877
04:09:18,479 --> 04:09:20,159
Ah this, this has gone out of control. I'm gonna

4878
04:09:20,159 --> 04:09:21,879
go to the room and talk to him so that

4879
04:09:21,959 --> 04:09:25,120
we can go to bed peaceful. No, he goes right

4880
04:09:25,200 --> 04:09:26,760
to the room and starts banging on it. According to

4881
04:09:26,799 --> 04:09:29,520
this version, when the plaintiff went to the doctor to

4882
04:09:30,239 --> 04:09:32,680
the door rather to confront the defendant, he saw no

4883
04:09:32,799 --> 04:09:37,600
one in the hallway. SID bangs on the door and

4884
04:09:37,719 --> 04:09:42,200
then disappears as the plaintiff stepped out into the hallway,

4885
04:09:42,239 --> 04:09:46,600
that being arn Anderson SID, who had apparently been hiding

4886
04:09:46,799 --> 04:09:52,000
behind the door as it opened. No stepped out and

4887
04:09:52,280 --> 04:09:54,600
violently struck plaintiff in the head with the leg of

4888
04:09:54,639 --> 04:10:00,440
a table or chair. Whoa SID hides behind them door

4889
04:10:01,680 --> 04:10:02,399
and wax him.

4890
04:10:02,479 --> 04:10:02,840
Speaker 3: None of this.

4891
04:10:03,079 --> 04:10:04,959
Speaker 8: Oh, I heard him stumbling in there, and when he

4892
04:10:05,040 --> 04:10:07,959
opened the door, I could tell he was in no

4893
04:10:08,120 --> 04:10:10,360
condition to fight and I thought, what the fuck am

4894
04:10:10,399 --> 04:10:10,760
I doing?

4895
04:10:10,879 --> 04:10:11,559
Speaker 3: This is crazy?

4896
04:10:11,600 --> 04:10:13,120
Speaker 8: And then he lunged at me, so I had to

4897
04:10:13,159 --> 04:10:14,879
put him down, and then I wrote, none of that. No,

4898
04:10:15,280 --> 04:10:19,120
he hides, he puts his back to the wall. Yeah, wait,

4899
04:10:19,440 --> 04:10:22,120
this is the funniest thing in the world to me.

4900
04:10:22,520 --> 04:10:24,159
That's picturing Sid doing it.

4901
04:10:25,440 --> 04:10:26,399
Speaker 3: Lumbering man, that's.

4902
04:10:26,319 --> 04:10:26,600
Speaker 7: What It is.

4903
04:10:26,719 --> 04:10:28,520
Speaker 3: Not funny that it happened to arn. I'm not saying that.

4904
04:10:28,559 --> 04:10:31,479
Speaker 8: It's just funny that someone that looks like Sid is

4905
04:10:32,000 --> 04:10:34,959
hiding behind a door ready to pop out.

4906
04:10:35,120 --> 04:10:38,959
Speaker 3: He's sneak attacking, you know, he's ready to fucking you know,

4907
04:10:39,280 --> 04:10:41,319
just he's He's such a bitch.

4908
04:10:42,200 --> 04:10:46,520
Speaker 8: Defendant then continued to viciously, pardon the punt, viciously and

4909
04:10:46,639 --> 04:10:49,840
intentionally assault and batter the defendant with the table leg

4910
04:10:50,319 --> 04:10:53,680
and a pair of scissors. So arn Arne is not

4911
04:10:53,799 --> 04:10:56,200
mentioning that he introduced the scissors to the fight. He's

4912
04:10:56,200 --> 04:10:59,920
simply mentioning that Sid attacked him with them. Defendant all

4913
04:11:00,000 --> 04:11:02,559
also repeatedly punched and kicked plaintiff in the torso and

4914
04:11:02,680 --> 04:11:06,280
head after other individuals arrived, having been alerted by the

4915
04:11:06,360 --> 04:11:11,159
sound of the assault. Defendant then fled the hotel led

4916
04:11:11,200 --> 04:11:11,680
the hotel.

4917
04:11:12,680 --> 04:11:15,479
Speaker 3: Nothing, Wow, holy shit, I don't.

4918
04:11:15,280 --> 04:11:17,200
Speaker 8: Think he left the premises. He clearly went down to

4919
04:11:17,280 --> 04:11:19,760
wherever Steve Austin and Invader was bleeding.

4920
04:11:20,000 --> 04:11:22,319
Speaker 6: But but.

4921
04:11:24,559 --> 04:11:25,200
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

4922
04:11:25,879 --> 04:11:30,559
Speaker 8: So here is the cause of action from Arn Anderson

4923
04:11:30,559 --> 04:11:34,200
the aforesaid actions by say, sorry.

4924
04:11:35,440 --> 04:11:40,440
Speaker 3: So hold on, I'm m hmm. It's hard. It's you know,

4925
04:11:40,559 --> 04:11:44,680
my brain goes defendant being Arn in the fact that

4926
04:11:45,879 --> 04:11:49,200
defending himself. So it's hard to me, so like, but

4927
04:11:49,360 --> 04:11:54,399
you know it Sid attacks Arn. But then but then

4928
04:11:55,000 --> 04:12:03,280
why is why why it never mentions that that Sid

4929
04:12:03,399 --> 04:12:06,799
is stabbed. No, it doesn't. It just mentions him leaving

4930
04:12:06,840 --> 04:12:07,280
the hotel.

4931
04:12:07,399 --> 04:12:10,239
Speaker 8: It makes it, Yeah, he makes it sound like Sid

4932
04:12:10,639 --> 04:12:12,319
just cheap shot at him, beat the shit out of him,

4933
04:12:12,319 --> 04:12:15,120
and then took off and stabbed him, and doesn't mention

4934
04:12:15,239 --> 04:12:17,520
that Arn was the one that brought the scissors into

4935
04:12:17,559 --> 04:12:20,680
the equation. So you can picture Sid and as lawyers

4936
04:12:20,920 --> 04:12:23,360
reading this and preparing their defense, and we might just

4937
04:12:23,399 --> 04:12:24,799
I don't know, we might just have a glimpse, it

4938
04:12:24,840 --> 04:12:27,040
said document, you might just need to warm up those

4939
04:12:27,200 --> 04:12:29,040
Sid pipes, poss. Let's just s put it that way

4940
04:12:29,120 --> 04:12:32,120
for the folks. But further, okay, and to your point,

4941
04:12:32,159 --> 04:12:34,760
I'll replace defendant with SID, and I'll replace plaintiff with Arn.

4942
04:12:34,879 --> 04:12:38,879
For clarity, the afforesad actions by the by SID constitute

4943
04:12:38,920 --> 04:12:42,040
an intentional assault and battery upon Arn. As a direct

4944
04:12:42,079 --> 04:12:44,639
and proximate result of the assault and battery by SID,

4945
04:12:45,200 --> 04:12:49,159
Arn has sustained serious physical injuries, including but not limited to,

4946
04:12:49,239 --> 04:12:52,600
lacerations of the face and body, multiple contusions, and acute

4947
04:12:52,639 --> 04:12:53,440
pain and suffering.

4948
04:12:54,319 --> 04:12:56,399
Speaker 3: So none of me were any of these were any

4949
04:12:56,399 --> 04:13:01,719
of these injuries? Did any of them come into play

4950
04:13:02,440 --> 04:13:04,159
regarding Arne's retirement.

4951
04:13:04,680 --> 04:13:06,879
Speaker 8: Now, Arn's retirement was all about nerve damage to his

4952
04:13:06,959 --> 04:13:09,879
spine that atrophied his arm. Same thing happened to Paul

4953
04:13:09,959 --> 04:13:14,000
Orndorf okay yep as a neck injury as a further

4954
04:13:14,120 --> 04:13:17,440
direct and proximate result of Sid's intentional assault and battery

4955
04:13:17,520 --> 04:13:20,719
upon Arn and the injuries resulting therefrom Arn. He does

4956
04:13:20,799 --> 04:13:23,159
say this, though boss Arne has been unable to pursue

4957
04:13:23,239 --> 04:13:26,000
his career as a professional wrestler. In addition to lost wages,

4958
04:13:26,399 --> 04:13:28,559
Arne's career has been placed in jeopardy as he has

4959
04:13:28,600 --> 04:13:32,719
been removed from WCW's television another broadcast meet and during

4960
04:13:32,760 --> 04:13:36,399
his recovery, so he wants you know, he's basically intimating

4961
04:13:36,440 --> 04:13:38,079
that you owe me the money I would have made.

4962
04:13:40,680 --> 04:13:43,600
Such removal from television will directly and negatively impact on

4963
04:13:43,760 --> 04:13:47,120
Arne's popularity with professional wrestling fans and substantially damage his

4964
04:13:47,200 --> 04:13:52,559
futurability to earn income. Second claim for relief. The allegations

4965
04:13:52,600 --> 04:13:55,120
contained in paragraph one to eighteen are incorporated by reference

4966
04:13:55,159 --> 04:13:58,239
as if set forth here in verbatim, the actions by SID,

4967
04:13:58,319 --> 04:14:02,239
as if foresaid, were intentional, wanton, wilful, and malicious, and

4968
04:14:02,280 --> 04:14:05,319
we're done with the intent to seriously injure or perhaps

4969
04:14:05,559 --> 04:14:10,719
even kill the plaintiff. Given the outrageousness of the acts

4970
04:14:10,799 --> 04:14:15,479
of SID, Arn is entitled to punitive damages. Wherefore Arn,

4971
04:14:15,600 --> 04:14:19,159
respectively prey. This Court has follows one that plaintiff have

4972
04:14:19,319 --> 04:14:22,479
judgment against SID in an amount in excess of ten

4973
04:14:22,639 --> 04:14:26,079
thousand dollars for the actual damages suffered by Arn. That

4974
04:14:26,399 --> 04:14:29,200
ARN have judgment against SID in an amount in excess

4975
04:14:29,239 --> 04:14:32,319
of ten thousand for punitive damages, that all costs of

4976
04:14:32,399 --> 04:14:34,760
this action be born, but the defendant for a jury

4977
04:14:34,879 --> 04:14:37,719
trial on issue so triable, and for such other and

4978
04:14:37,799 --> 04:14:40,040
further relief as the court may deem just and proper.

4979
04:14:40,200 --> 04:14:44,159
This the fifth day of January nineteen ninety four, Attorney

4980
04:14:44,319 --> 04:14:47,040
Robert Trobitch, who you might know is being involved in

4981
04:14:47,079 --> 04:14:49,319
the Rick Flair World title Jim Herd dispute.

4982
04:14:49,639 --> 04:14:52,680
Speaker 3: So there you go. Arn has laid his facts on

4983
04:14:52,760 --> 04:14:55,639
the table. Is sculling him for ten grand, for twenty grand,

4984
04:14:55,719 --> 04:14:56,079
for more.

4985
04:14:56,200 --> 04:14:58,600
Speaker 8: But you have to say, like, the part of the

4986
04:14:58,680 --> 04:15:01,360
law that allows me to get more than ten grand

4987
04:15:01,399 --> 04:15:04,159
from you as opposed to less is different, a different

4988
04:15:05,120 --> 04:15:07,680
burden of proof. So he's not saying exactly how much

4989
04:15:07,719 --> 04:15:10,319
he wants, but he's saying it's definitely more than ten grand.

4990
04:15:11,000 --> 04:15:14,479
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

4991
04:15:31,840 --> 04:15:35,719
Speaker 1: He's an lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno

4992
04:15:36,159 --> 04:15:37,200
and JP Sorrow.

4993
04:15:38,000 --> 04:15:40,319
Speaker 8: So that is on and that is what he puts

4994
04:15:40,440 --> 04:15:43,840
to paper. Now, does defendant aka SID you do you

4995
04:15:43,879 --> 04:15:44,559
have a response?

4996
04:15:44,600 --> 04:15:48,040
Speaker 3: Boss? I believe he does. Do we have a counter

4997
04:15:48,079 --> 04:15:52,280
or claim? Always let's hear from Sid.

4998
04:15:52,399 --> 04:15:55,719
Speaker 8: As he dictates in his lawyer's office, what does he

4999
04:15:55,799 --> 04:15:57,040
wants the document to read?

5000
04:16:01,879 --> 04:16:06,319
Speaker 3: The defendant moves the court pursuant to Rule twelve B,

5001
04:16:06,680 --> 04:16:10,799
one of the rules of civil procedure to dismiss this

5002
04:16:11,000 --> 04:16:15,399
action for lack of jurisdiction of the subject matter, in

5003
04:16:15,600 --> 04:16:20,959
that the complaint seeks damages for personal injuries not within

5004
04:16:21,319 --> 04:16:24,040
the jurisdiction of this court exactly, and that's the real

5005
04:16:24,120 --> 04:16:29,440
problem here, hm. The defendant moves the Court, pursuant to

5006
04:16:29,639 --> 04:16:34,079
Rule twelve B two of the Rules of Civil Procedure,

5007
04:16:34,479 --> 04:16:40,600
to cush the retard of service of submens to.

5008
04:16:40,680 --> 04:16:45,680
Speaker 8: The defendant, and to dismiss this action for lack of

5009
04:16:45,920 --> 04:16:51,479
jurisdiction over the person of this defendant, in that the

5010
04:16:51,680 --> 04:16:55,120
defendant is not a resident of North Carolina.

5011
04:16:55,159 --> 04:16:59,840
Speaker 3: It's not it's not doing business in the state of

5012
04:17:00,120 --> 04:17:00,959
North Carolina.

5013
04:17:01,040 --> 04:17:03,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, I who saw those house show returns for the

5014
04:17:03,200 --> 04:17:03,920
Charlotte's right.

5015
04:17:04,520 --> 04:17:11,040
Speaker 3: Damn right it is, and it's not otherwise subject to

5016
04:17:11,319 --> 04:17:17,639
service of process issued by this court. The defendant moves

5017
04:17:18,079 --> 04:17:21,760
the Court, pursuing to Rule twelve B six of the

5018
04:17:21,879 --> 04:17:25,719
Rules of Civil Procedure, to dismiss this action for.

5019
04:17:26,000 --> 04:17:32,120
Speaker 20: Failure of the complaint to state acclaim upon which relief

5020
04:17:32,239 --> 04:17:33,600
can be granted.

5021
04:17:35,159 --> 04:17:41,079
Speaker 3: Any allege assault and battery upon the plaintiff. The right

5022
04:17:41,239 --> 04:17:46,319
of action thereon against this defendant was barred by the

5023
04:17:46,399 --> 04:17:49,959
statute of limitations prior to the conmencement of this action.

5024
04:17:50,920 --> 04:17:54,520
What's the sexual limitations. I don't know what he's talking about,

5025
04:17:55,079 --> 04:17:58,319
Like what a day? Is it a month? Like the

5026
04:17:58,440 --> 04:18:00,840
statue limitations for this, I don't know.

5027
04:18:00,879 --> 04:18:03,440
Speaker 8: I guess for maybe assault, it probably is pretty short,

5028
04:18:03,600 --> 04:18:05,399
like you know, you got assaulted, You're gonna do something

5029
04:18:05,399 --> 04:18:07,559
about it or not. It's probably I mean, but this

5030
04:18:07,719 --> 04:18:10,040
was a month later. Now it happened to October. This

5031
04:18:10,120 --> 04:18:11,079
was filed in October.

5032
04:18:11,760 --> 04:18:13,360
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it takes him a while to build

5033
04:18:13,399 --> 04:18:16,000
a case that doesn't seem right. Well, it's not. It's

5034
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:16,319
a year.

5035
04:18:16,600 --> 04:18:18,559
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's not a case, it's a lawsuit. But so

5036
04:18:18,680 --> 04:18:20,520
it's like, it's all, yeah, you.

5037
04:18:20,559 --> 04:18:22,239
Speaker 3: Know what happened to you? Just put it down on paper.

5038
04:18:25,639 --> 04:18:30,600
Fifth defense and answer one. The allegations containing paragraph one

5039
04:18:30,680 --> 04:18:35,399
of the plaintiff's complaint are admitted upon information and belief two.

5040
04:18:35,959 --> 04:18:39,600
With respect to the allegations containing paragraph two of the

5041
04:18:39,719 --> 04:18:43,840
Plainton's Plaintiff's complaint, it is admitted that's a defendant is

5042
04:18:43,879 --> 04:18:47,319
a resident of Marion, Arkansas. Oh, he's willing to concede that.

5043
04:18:47,520 --> 04:18:51,399
That's big. I will admit that I live where I

5044
04:18:51,479 --> 04:19:02,000
say I live right, read into that one, except I

5045
04:19:02,159 --> 04:19:08,000
admit olive in Marian, Arkansas. Except as expressly admitted here in,

5046
04:19:08,440 --> 04:19:12,120
the allegations contained in paragraph two of the Plaintiff's complaint

5047
04:19:12,159 --> 04:19:17,959
are denied. The allegations containing paragraph three of the plaintiffs

5048
04:19:18,040 --> 04:19:25,479
Plaintiff's plaint are denied. The allegations containing paragraph four of

5049
04:19:25,559 --> 04:19:27,200
the plaintiff's complaint are denied.

5050
04:19:28,719 --> 04:19:34,239
Speaker 20: With respect to the allegations contained in paragraph five of

5051
04:19:34,399 --> 04:19:37,239
the Plaintiff's complaint, it.

5052
04:19:37,399 --> 04:19:42,040
Speaker 3: Is admitted upon information and belief not the plaintiff is

5053
04:19:42,680 --> 04:19:44,840
a professional wrestler. There's a T shirt.

5054
04:19:44,920 --> 04:19:47,000
Speaker 8: The plaintiff is a professional wrestler.

5055
04:19:51,239 --> 04:19:54,440
Speaker 3: I telling you the whole thing, the whole you know,

5056
04:19:54,920 --> 04:19:58,239
black a black T shirt, white lettering. With respect of

5057
04:19:58,280 --> 04:20:02,719
the allegations contained of the Plaintiff's complaint, it is admitted

5058
04:20:02,799 --> 04:20:05,200
upon information and belief that the planineiff is a professional

5059
04:20:05,239 --> 04:20:08,639
wrest That's pretty good. It's pretty great. Oh my god,

5060
04:20:09,079 --> 04:20:11,799
upon information and belief. During the time period in question,

5061
04:20:12,200 --> 04:20:18,159
the plaintiff was under contract to World Championship Wrestling, Incorporated,

5062
04:20:18,719 --> 04:20:24,360
a Georgia corporation. Except as expressly admitted here in the

5063
04:20:24,479 --> 04:20:28,719
allegations contained a paragraph five of the plaintiff's complaint are denied.

5064
04:20:29,280 --> 04:20:33,959
Speaker 8: So he denies right there that he SID the defendant

5065
04:20:34,440 --> 04:20:37,520
was under WCW contract, as ARN represented, But he does

5066
04:20:37,639 --> 04:20:41,120
say he does grant that ARN was under WCW contract.

5067
04:20:42,239 --> 04:20:43,200
Speaker 3: He's fucking crazy.

5068
04:20:45,280 --> 04:20:48,280
Speaker 8: The allegations contained in paragraph six of the plaintiff's complaint

5069
04:20:48,319 --> 04:20:53,639
are admitted upon information and belief. The allegations containing paragraph

5070
04:20:53,760 --> 04:20:57,399
seven of the Plaineiff's complaint are admitted upon information and belief.

5071
04:20:58,399 --> 04:21:02,440
The allegations contain paragraph eight of the Plaintiff's complaint are

5072
04:21:02,479 --> 04:21:04,000
admitted upon information.

5073
04:21:03,639 --> 04:21:08,520
Speaker 3: And don't stop there, SID, The allegations.

5074
04:21:08,159 --> 04:21:13,520
Speaker 20: Contained in paragraph nine of the plaintiff's complaint are denied.

5075
04:21:14,280 --> 04:21:17,360
Speaker 8: What about with respect to the allegations contained in paragraph ten.

5076
04:21:18,239 --> 04:21:22,239
Speaker 3: With respect to the allegations containing paragraph ten of the

5077
04:21:22,520 --> 04:21:27,559
of the Plaintiff's complaint, it is admitted upon information and

5078
04:21:27,719 --> 04:21:32,280
belief that others attempted to intervene in an argument between

5079
04:21:32,319 --> 04:21:37,760
the plaintiff and defendant, except as expressly admitted herein, The

5080
04:21:37,879 --> 04:21:42,680
allegations containing paragraph ten of the Plaintiff's complaint are denied.

5081
04:21:45,040 --> 04:21:48,719
The allegations contained in paragraph eleven of the Plaintiff's complaint

5082
04:21:48,760 --> 04:21:55,559
are denied. The defendant alleges that he is without knowledge

5083
04:21:55,879 --> 04:22:01,440
or information sufficient to form a belief the truth of

5084
04:22:01,559 --> 04:22:06,600
the allegations containing paragraph twelve of the Plaintiff's complaint, and

5085
04:22:06,760 --> 04:22:14,319
the same are therefore denied. The allegations containing paragraph thirteen

5086
04:22:14,360 --> 04:22:15,840
of the plaintiff's complaint are denied.

5087
04:22:15,879 --> 04:22:21,239
Speaker 8: How about fourteen the allegations containing paragraph fourteen of the

5088
04:22:21,319 --> 04:22:23,360
plaintiff's complaint are denied.

5089
04:22:23,719 --> 04:22:29,440
Speaker 20: Fifteen said the allegations complained and paragraph fifteen of the

5090
04:22:29,559 --> 04:22:32,040
planet's complaint or did not start there.

5091
04:22:41,360 --> 04:22:44,799
Speaker 8: The allegations contained in paragraph sixteen of the plaintiff's complaint

5092
04:22:44,840 --> 04:22:50,520
are denied. Going the allegations contain in paragraph seventeen of

5093
04:22:50,639 --> 04:22:56,760
the plaintiffs's complaint are denied. There the allegations contained in

5094
04:22:56,879 --> 04:23:03,959
paragraph eighteen of the plaintiff's complaint are denied. The defendant's

5095
04:23:04,040 --> 04:23:08,399
responses to the allegations containing paragraphs one through eighteen are

5096
04:23:08,479 --> 04:23:13,799
incorporated by reference as if set forth herein for batim.

5097
04:23:15,840 --> 04:23:21,120
The allegations containing the second paragraph seventeen of the plaintiff's

5098
04:23:21,319 --> 04:23:28,760
complaint are denied. The allegations contained in the second paragraph

5099
04:23:29,120 --> 04:23:33,520
of the Plaintiff's complaints are denied second paragraph eighteen. Now,

5100
04:23:33,600 --> 04:23:37,319
how about your alternative counterclaim? What do you say happened

5101
04:23:37,360 --> 04:23:37,680
that night?

5102
04:23:37,760 --> 04:23:41,520
Speaker 3: Said? Take us through it. In the event the court

5103
04:23:41,639 --> 04:23:45,680
determines that it has jurisdiction over the subject matter and

5104
04:23:45,840 --> 04:23:49,680
jurisdiction over the person of the defendant, that the.

5105
04:23:49,879 --> 04:23:55,360
Speaker 20: Statute of limitations does not bo this action, then that

5106
04:23:55,520 --> 04:24:01,680
the complete otherwise states upclaim upon relief can be granted

5107
04:24:02,000 --> 04:24:08,760
than the defendant alleges as follows, that the defendant is.

5108
04:24:10,280 --> 04:24:17,120
Speaker 3: A resident of Marion, Arkansas, That the plaintiff is an

5109
04:24:17,239 --> 04:24:24,719
individual residing in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina, That on or

5110
04:24:24,840 --> 04:24:28,840
about October twenty seven, nineteen ninety three, in Blackburn, England,

5111
04:24:29,000 --> 04:24:36,399
United Kingdom, the plaintiff unlawfully the plaintiff intentionally, with malice

5112
04:24:36,799 --> 04:24:42,760
or reckless indifference, assaulted and battered me with a pair

5113
04:24:42,799 --> 04:24:49,879
of scissors and repeatedly stabbed me. That the aforementioned that

5114
04:24:49,959 --> 04:24:53,680
the afforcing actions by the plaintiff constitute an intentional assault

5115
04:24:53,719 --> 04:25:02,040
and battery upon me. As a direct and foreseeable result

5116
04:25:02,159 --> 04:25:06,319
of the assault and battery by the plaintiff, the defendants

5117
04:25:06,360 --> 04:25:14,040
sustained severe, painful and permanent injuries too, and about his body,

5118
04:25:15,040 --> 04:25:21,760
including stab wounds and multiple laser races to his face, stomach,

5119
04:25:22,760 --> 04:25:24,120
and don't stop there.

5120
04:25:24,959 --> 04:25:29,399
Speaker 20: He suffered and continues to suffer great pain of body.

5121
04:25:29,159 --> 04:25:33,559
Speaker 3: And mind as he received, He received and continues to

5122
04:25:33,719 --> 04:25:41,159
receive hospital and medical care, attention, and treatment. He occurred

5123
04:25:42,000 --> 04:25:47,719
and continues to incur expenses for hospital and medical care, attention,

5124
04:25:48,120 --> 04:25:54,319
and treatment. He has been disabled from performing his usual

5125
04:25:54,399 --> 04:26:00,319
activities and occupational duties, with resulting loss of earnings and

5126
04:26:00,600 --> 04:26:05,040
as a redirect and approximate result of the aforementioned injuries,

5127
04:26:05,079 --> 04:26:11,440
set defendant is informed, believes, and therefore alleges that he

5128
04:26:12,079 --> 04:26:18,799
has been severely sad part of that line injured, that

5129
04:26:19,120 --> 04:26:23,840
damage and an amount in excess of ten thousand dollars

5130
04:26:23,920 --> 04:26:31,200
fucking awsom the plaintiff is informed, believes and therefore alleges

5131
04:26:31,440 --> 04:26:37,399
that the actions by the plaintiff were intentional, wanton, willful,

5132
04:26:38,000 --> 04:26:42,079
and malice and we're done with the intent to seriously

5133
04:26:42,200 --> 04:26:47,040
injure the defendant, and therefore the defendant is entitled to

5134
04:26:47,159 --> 04:26:51,360
an award of punitive damages in an amount in excess

5135
04:26:51,440 --> 04:26:58,520
of ten thousand dollars. Wherefore, Defendant respectfully praise the Court

5136
04:26:58,559 --> 04:27:03,760
as follows that this Court enter in order dismissing the

5137
04:27:03,799 --> 04:27:07,680
plaintiff's complaint as requested in defendant's motions here and above,

5138
04:27:09,079 --> 04:27:14,559
that plaintiff have and recover nothing of this defendant, and

5139
04:27:14,719 --> 04:27:19,840
that his complaint be dismissed with prejudice that subject to

5140
04:27:20,000 --> 04:27:23,280
the relief prayed foreign paragraph one.

5141
04:27:24,959 --> 04:27:29,680
Speaker 20: Here right above all they follow a denial of those

5142
04:27:29,840 --> 04:27:36,360
motions that defendant recovered judgment against the plaintiff in.

5143
04:27:36,399 --> 04:27:41,879
Speaker 3: An amount in an excess of ten thousand dollars for

5144
04:27:42,079 --> 04:27:47,879
the actual damages suffered by the defendant, that subject to

5145
04:27:47,959 --> 04:27:53,120
the relief prayed foreign paragraph one here and above, and

5146
04:27:53,360 --> 04:27:58,000
only following denial those motions that the defendant have judgment

5147
04:27:58,120 --> 04:28:01,760
against the plaintiff in an out in exists of ten

5148
04:28:02,360 --> 04:28:08,360
thousand dollars for beauti of damages that's subject to the

5149
04:28:08,440 --> 04:28:12,959
relief preyed a four in paragraph one here and above,

5150
04:28:13,159 --> 04:28:16,840
and only following denial of those motions that this defendant

5151
04:28:17,040 --> 04:28:21,920
have a trial budgery on all issues of fact a

5152
04:28:22,079 --> 04:28:28,520
rising in this cause, that the cost of this action

5153
04:28:28,760 --> 04:28:33,600
be taxed against the plaintiff, and for.

5154
04:28:33,799 --> 04:28:38,120
Speaker 20: Such honor and further relief as the Court seed re

5155
04:28:38,440 --> 04:28:40,680
deem just improper.

5156
04:28:41,120 --> 04:28:44,799
Speaker 3: This the twenty fourth day of March nineteen ninety four,

5157
04:28:48,600 --> 04:28:54,399
Darza A, Miller, Pollard and Murphy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable, SAIDs on

5158
04:28:54,479 --> 04:28:56,040
the record. Holy shit.

5159
04:28:56,280 --> 04:29:00,200
Speaker 8: Well, about a month after that there's a filing.

5160
04:29:02,239 --> 04:29:02,879
Speaker 3: And then there's more.

5161
04:29:03,360 --> 04:29:05,879
Speaker 8: It doesn't really go very far. There's clearly behind the

5162
04:29:05,920 --> 04:29:09,879
scenes negotiations going on between both sides, and despite this

5163
04:29:09,959 --> 04:29:12,000
being filed in January of nineteen ninety four, it isn't

5164
04:29:12,079 --> 04:29:14,719
until April twenty fifth of nineteen ninety seven.

5165
04:29:14,920 --> 04:29:17,520
Speaker 3: Okay, what we get the fuck out of here?

5166
04:29:17,680 --> 04:29:19,639
Speaker 8: Right around the time he wrestles Undertaker in the main

5167
04:29:19,680 --> 04:29:23,840
event of WrestleMania thirteen, does sid Uty settle with arn Anderson.

5168
04:29:24,680 --> 04:29:28,200
The filing reads stipulation and voluntary dismissal come now the parties,

5169
04:29:28,479 --> 04:29:31,079
through their respective Council of Record, and pursuant to Rule

5170
04:29:31,159 --> 04:29:33,200
forty one A one of the North Carolina Rules of

5171
04:29:33,200 --> 04:29:36,840
Civil Procedure, stipulate that the complaint and counterclaim filed in

5172
04:29:36,879 --> 04:29:40,000
the above captioned action are both dismissed with prejudice, and

5173
04:29:40,040 --> 04:29:42,239
that each party shall bear its own court costs at

5174
04:29:42,280 --> 04:29:46,760
attorney's fees. So it is dismissed voluntarily. So I guess

5175
04:29:46,920 --> 04:29:49,559
not quite a settlement. I think they might have to

5176
04:29:49,719 --> 04:29:51,959
say that specifically. I'm no expert in the civil law.

5177
04:29:52,040 --> 04:29:53,440
That we have spent a lot of time looking at this,

5178
04:29:54,159 --> 04:29:56,000
and I feel like you do kind of vindicate if

5179
04:29:56,000 --> 04:29:57,600
there is a settlement. This just seems like it was

5180
04:29:58,360 --> 04:30:01,000
like both sides said, do we really need just still

5181
04:30:01,040 --> 04:30:02,120
spend lawyers on this thing?

5182
04:30:02,559 --> 04:30:03,840
Speaker 3: Yep, we're both over it.

5183
04:30:03,879 --> 04:30:05,840
Speaker 8: We're both in different places in our careers, we're both

5184
04:30:05,840 --> 04:30:06,719
in different locker rooms.

5185
04:30:06,760 --> 04:30:09,280
Speaker 3: Let's drop it. And it's amazing that they didn't drop

5186
04:30:09,319 --> 04:30:14,959
it until nineteen ninety seven. That's crazy. But you hurt

5187
04:30:15,000 --> 04:30:15,479
really crazy.

5188
04:30:15,600 --> 04:30:20,319
Speaker 8: You heard me reference it. For all of his hazy

5189
04:30:20,399 --> 04:30:23,440
and malinformed perspectives on this thing, maybe Colonel Parker saw

5190
04:30:23,559 --> 04:30:26,280
something that none of us thought to think of. Yeah,

5191
04:30:26,440 --> 04:30:27,879
as a contributing cause to all this.

5192
04:30:29,319 --> 04:30:32,879
Speaker 18: And I'll just tell you this, straight up truth. Wouldn't

5193
04:30:32,879 --> 04:30:36,760
be any good if it didn't. Sid was doing his steroids.

5194
04:30:37,600 --> 04:30:41,600
Gosh did he look good man? He was, he was

5195
04:30:41,840 --> 04:30:46,000
lit man. And when he went, he knew that he.

5196
04:30:46,120 --> 04:30:48,639
Speaker 24: Wasn't going to be able to take his steroids along.

5197
04:30:49,479 --> 04:30:54,280
So I knew that he took an awful lot of stuff.

5198
04:30:55,559 --> 04:30:56,159
Speaker 6: Ongoing.

5199
04:30:57,159 --> 04:31:03,200
Speaker 18: So the first night that they're there, he is really well,

5200
04:31:03,319 --> 04:31:09,120
he's ready to explode. Yes, and uh is this is

5201
04:31:09,200 --> 04:31:12,280
what I hear, you know to hearsay, But I'm sure

5202
04:31:12,399 --> 04:31:15,239
I got the story because I was this man and

5203
04:31:15,440 --> 04:31:18,959
I had been there with him. Would not have happened

5204
04:31:19,319 --> 04:31:24,040
because I knew Sid, and I knew the possibilities and

5205
04:31:24,159 --> 04:31:25,319
I could get ahead of the.

5206
04:31:25,360 --> 04:31:28,559
Speaker 24: Game and make sure that those things didn't happen.

5207
04:31:28,680 --> 04:31:30,479
Speaker 18: And I think he would back me up on that

5208
04:31:30,639 --> 04:31:34,399
if he was here today then, But I wasn't there

5209
04:31:34,520 --> 04:31:35,040
with him.

5210
04:31:35,120 --> 04:31:38,600
Speaker 3: And he was on his own, on his own without

5211
04:31:38,639 --> 04:31:39,280
his can Wow.

5212
04:31:40,120 --> 04:31:42,799
Speaker 8: Wow, what's more dangerous than a guy who roid's hard

5213
04:31:43,200 --> 04:31:45,879
someone who's been deprived of his roids for ten days

5214
04:31:45,959 --> 04:31:49,559
in England? You can't bring him over the border. Maybe

5215
04:31:49,600 --> 04:31:52,159
it is just that simple. And again, for all of

5216
04:31:52,280 --> 04:31:56,000
the for all of the palace intrigue in Sid's career

5217
04:31:56,079 --> 04:31:59,120
in both big companies, somehow it always seems to come

5218
04:31:59,200 --> 04:32:01,040
down to whether or not he can get access to

5219
04:32:01,079 --> 04:32:02,280
the steroids to be Sid.

5220
04:32:03,000 --> 04:32:03,159
Speaker 6: Yep.

5221
04:32:03,600 --> 04:32:05,079
Speaker 3: Of course this is a bit of a scandal in

5222
04:32:05,120 --> 04:32:06,040
the UK. Take a look.

5223
04:32:06,120 --> 04:32:09,520
Speaker 8: This is a screen grab from Gary Michael Capetta's book

5224
04:32:09,520 --> 04:32:11,200
some tabloid coverage in the UK.

5225
04:32:11,200 --> 04:32:16,079
Speaker 3: Of this fight Wow Kelly Wrestling stars in two am

5226
04:32:16,239 --> 04:32:19,840
hotel knife brawl, grappling pals pull them upon.

5227
04:32:20,559 --> 04:32:22,920
Speaker 8: A great headshot of Sid. I mean god, Oh, I

5228
04:32:23,000 --> 04:32:27,520
mean god. Yeah, that's the kind of guy who's enforcer

5229
04:32:27,680 --> 04:32:30,639
barbral Sid stab wounds and he's got his hands behind

5230
04:32:30,680 --> 04:32:33,440
his head and he's got his teeth grated in the photo.

5231
04:32:33,639 --> 04:32:34,479
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ.

5232
04:32:35,079 --> 04:32:38,959
Speaker 8: But is it true a real fight? The Miami Herald decided.

5233
04:32:39,120 --> 04:32:41,520
Alix Marvez, a w employee, decided to cover it with

5234
04:32:41,600 --> 04:32:46,239
that terminology. Oh man, that's brilliant. In October ninetety three,

5235
04:32:46,600 --> 04:32:48,879
the Halloween edition actually of the Miami Herald, he wrote

5236
04:32:49,040 --> 04:32:52,120
professional Wrestling move from Fantasy to Reality Tuesday.

5237
04:32:52,520 --> 04:32:54,120
Speaker 3: It's reel as an actual fight.

5238
04:32:54,280 --> 04:32:54,520
Speaker 20: Guys.

5239
04:32:55,360 --> 04:32:57,479
Speaker 8: When Arn't Anderson and Sid Vicious engaged in a real

5240
04:32:57,559 --> 04:33:00,719
life fight that left both men hospitalized. Anderson lundy at

5241
04:33:00,799 --> 04:33:03,200
Vicious Sid Udi began squabbling on a bus while returning

5242
04:33:03,239 --> 04:33:05,880
from a World championshipresting showing card of England. Later that evening,

5243
04:33:05,959 --> 04:33:08,000
Vicious six ' eight three ten knocked on the door

5244
04:33:08,040 --> 04:33:10,240
of Erson's hotel room and said he wanted to apologize.

5245
04:33:10,319 --> 04:33:12,479
See Okay, that's already out there, that version of apology.

5246
04:33:13,040 --> 04:33:15,400
That's not what Arne says in his port filing. There's

5247
04:33:15,439 --> 04:33:19,080
no attempt to apologize for anything. There's just lying in

5248
04:33:19,159 --> 04:33:21,040
wait with a fucking piece of table in your hand

5249
04:33:21,200 --> 04:33:24,599
or chair ready to go. When Anderson sixty one two

5250
04:33:24,680 --> 04:33:27,439
forty answered, Vicious smashed him with a chair, and the

5251
04:33:27,560 --> 04:33:29,880
ensuing melee both wrestlers stabbed each other with a pair

5252
04:33:29,880 --> 04:33:32,439
of scissors. The two were separated by WCW wrestlers and

5253
04:33:32,479 --> 04:33:34,959
then were admitted to a local hospital. Both were discharged

5254
04:33:35,000 --> 04:33:37,040
by the next day and returned to the United States.

5255
04:33:37,200 --> 04:33:41,840
WW spokesperson Sharon Sidello of all people, she directing the

5256
04:33:41,919 --> 04:33:44,279
fucking awful mini movie that we played at the top

5257
04:33:44,319 --> 04:33:48,439
of this episode, was uncertain whether any discipline reaction would

5258
04:33:48,439 --> 04:33:50,360
be taken against either wrestler, or if they would miss

5259
04:33:50,360 --> 04:33:53,240
any upcoming appearances. Adello declined comment on the fight. I

5260
04:33:53,279 --> 04:33:56,599
don't even know why she took the call. If Vicious

5261
04:33:56,639 --> 04:33:59,639
were fired, ww's plans would be ruined. Vicious turned babyface

5262
04:33:59,799 --> 04:34:02,759
on Saturday's WCW Saturday Night telecast, and it's slated to

5263
04:34:02,799 --> 04:34:04,799
face Vader in December in the main event of the

5264
04:34:04,840 --> 04:34:07,680
Starcade pay per view show. However, this is his cheap shot,

5265
04:34:07,799 --> 04:34:10,639
Oh cheap shot on Anderson appears to leave WCW no

5266
04:34:10,759 --> 04:34:15,560
choice but to sack the sidster, no choice but to

5267
04:34:15,759 --> 04:34:16,639
sack the sidster.

5268
04:34:17,080 --> 04:34:19,599
Speaker 3: There we go. I guess what are your thinks? In charge?

5269
04:34:19,680 --> 04:34:27,119
Speaker 8: Here Inside the Ropes with Kenny McIntoshes, Eric Bischoff explains

5270
04:34:27,200 --> 04:34:30,840
this first, let's say, human resources challenge that he's encountered

5271
04:34:31,479 --> 04:34:34,000
of this magnitude since taking control a WCW.

5272
04:34:34,479 --> 04:34:37,599
Speaker 9: Was it was late in the evening because it happened

5273
04:34:38,919 --> 04:34:40,560
in a different time zone. It was late in the

5274
04:34:40,599 --> 04:34:41,840
evening when I got a phone call.

5275
04:34:42,840 --> 04:34:44,159
Speaker 8: You got that it was in a different time zone.

5276
04:34:44,159 --> 04:34:46,520
You get that, of course, Yes, yes, I'm going to

5277
04:34:47,560 --> 04:34:49,240
make sure you hear this is configured correct.

5278
04:34:49,639 --> 04:34:51,400
Speaker 3: Late in me. Yes, it would have been late in

5279
04:34:51,439 --> 04:34:54,159
the evening. It was two am. No, it wouldn't have

5280
04:34:54,159 --> 04:34:54,479
been late.

5281
04:34:54,439 --> 04:34:54,840
Speaker 6: In the evening.

5282
04:34:56,479 --> 04:34:58,639
Speaker 3: Now, it was where he was because he wasn't on

5283
04:34:58,680 --> 04:35:01,680
the tour, right, it wasn't leave in the evening if

5284
04:35:01,880 --> 04:35:03,360
this happened at two am. With that, well you just

5285
04:35:03,439 --> 04:35:05,240
sent me so true And.

5286
04:35:08,439 --> 04:35:11,720
Speaker 9: Oh, Eric, was it was late in the evening because

5287
04:35:12,240 --> 04:35:15,680
it happened in a different time zone. It was late

5288
04:35:15,720 --> 04:35:19,000
in the evening when I got a phone call and

5289
04:35:19,159 --> 04:35:23,319
Doug Dillinger, who was our head of security in WCW,

5290
04:35:23,560 --> 04:35:27,599
called me and said, Eric, you know, he told me

5291
04:35:27,680 --> 04:35:34,439
what happened, and he gave me pretty specific details as

5292
04:35:34,759 --> 04:35:37,080
to what led up to the incident.

5293
04:35:38,200 --> 04:35:40,919
Speaker 3: And how it all went down.

5294
04:35:41,680 --> 04:35:44,560
Speaker 8: So he's getting the version of this story from Doug Dillinger, who,

5295
04:35:44,680 --> 04:35:48,119
if I can read between the tea leaves here, arn

5296
04:35:48,200 --> 04:35:51,080
Anderson name drops in his own legal complaint which tells

5297
04:35:51,159 --> 04:35:54,119
me he's not afraid of Doug Dillinger being called before

5298
04:35:54,159 --> 04:35:56,400
a jury judge to give his account of things in

5299
04:35:56,520 --> 04:35:59,840
terms of the risk that Dillinger will say something unfavorable

5300
04:36:00,400 --> 04:36:03,000
toward arn Anderson's version of what happened. So remember it's

5301
04:36:03,040 --> 04:36:05,279
Dyllinger telling Bischoff who did what?

5302
04:36:05,439 --> 04:36:05,599
Speaker 3: Here?

5303
04:36:05,880 --> 04:36:08,279
Speaker 8: We'll see if that if that has bearing on his

5304
04:36:08,400 --> 04:36:09,080
ultimate decision.

5305
04:36:09,919 --> 04:36:10,479
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

5306
04:36:10,680 --> 04:36:13,279
Speaker 9: And first of all, it was horrified. You know, it's

5307
04:36:13,479 --> 04:36:15,639
late at night. I wasn't thinking it was. I think

5308
04:36:15,639 --> 04:36:18,439
it was on a weekend. Maybe wrong about that, I

5309
04:36:18,479 --> 04:36:21,000
can't remember, but it was it was at an odd

5310
04:36:21,240 --> 04:36:23,759
time when I wasn't thinking about work. I was home

5311
04:36:23,840 --> 04:36:27,240
with my family, my kids, and I get this phone

5312
04:36:27,319 --> 04:36:32,759
call Arnstabs Sid what.

5313
04:36:36,799 --> 04:36:38,560
Speaker 3: Sesh uh?

5314
04:36:38,880 --> 04:36:41,560
Speaker 9: Can I just get a sexual harassment problem?

5315
04:36:41,680 --> 04:36:42,000
Speaker 6: Please?

5316
04:36:42,639 --> 04:36:42,919
Speaker 3: Sure?

5317
04:36:46,439 --> 04:36:49,479
Speaker 9: Can I get some other kind of other than somebody

5318
04:36:49,560 --> 04:36:52,360
tried to kill somebody with a pair of scissors.

5319
04:36:54,360 --> 04:36:56,560
Speaker 3: That was a tough one. I wasn't prepared for that one.

5320
04:36:56,599 --> 04:36:57,639
Speaker 6: I didn't know how to handle that.

5321
04:36:58,400 --> 04:37:02,240
Speaker 9: But I got more and more information, and once I

5322
04:37:02,319 --> 04:37:04,319
got the update and everybody was helping them, we're just

5323
04:37:04,439 --> 04:37:07,200
going to die and bleed out and die in the

5324
04:37:07,520 --> 04:37:10,880
hallway in a hotel. Once I knew everybody was safe,

5325
04:37:11,240 --> 04:37:14,360
I went and conferred with the next day my boss.

5326
04:37:14,799 --> 04:37:19,560
His name was Bill Shaw at that time, and we said, well,

5327
04:37:19,639 --> 04:37:23,439
let's just wait till everybody gets back, try to get

5328
04:37:23,439 --> 04:37:26,240
as much detailed information as we can, and we'll figure out.

5329
04:37:26,080 --> 04:37:26,919
Speaker 6: What to do from there.

5330
04:37:27,040 --> 04:37:30,000
Speaker 3: But it was a bizarre, bizarre folcal to get.

5331
04:37:30,759 --> 04:37:33,400
Speaker 26: But you said, had been in WWF, he's come back.

5332
04:37:33,720 --> 04:37:35,560
You know, I'm sending there are big plans for him.

5333
04:37:35,799 --> 04:37:38,599
He always gets let go. Was that a decision tough

5334
04:37:38,680 --> 04:37:40,880
to kind of, you know, take a big name and

5335
04:37:41,080 --> 04:37:42,400
kind of get rid of him.

5336
04:37:42,680 --> 04:37:46,119
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't tough because I mean, that's such a

5337
04:37:46,360 --> 04:37:51,720
serious situation. There has to be a very cut and

5338
04:37:51,919 --> 04:37:56,319
dry decision. There could be no ambiguity, there could be

5339
04:37:56,479 --> 04:38:01,680
no doubt, there can be no shadows. You know, it

5340
04:38:01,880 --> 04:38:05,720
has to be an incredibly clear decision. And the reason

5341
04:38:06,279 --> 04:38:10,279
that I let sid go. I'm gonna be honest. I

5342
04:38:10,759 --> 04:38:15,040
like Arn Anderson, I really do, and I respect Arn Anderson.

5343
04:38:17,000 --> 04:38:22,720
However do you arn Anderson at that time in his life?

5344
04:38:23,840 --> 04:38:27,319
In the wrestling business, we call them disturbers, people that

5345
04:38:27,479 --> 04:38:31,040
just like distir right, just to be able to entertain

5346
04:38:31,119 --> 04:38:34,520
themselves by watching people react to this that they've stirred up.

5347
04:38:35,360 --> 04:38:36,680
Speaker 3: That's how they got their entertainment.

5348
04:38:36,759 --> 04:38:39,040
Speaker 9: That's how a lot of rest and talent kind of

5349
04:38:39,279 --> 04:38:42,400
entertained themselves on the road. They were pulling ribs on

5350
04:38:42,520 --> 04:38:45,560
each other, doing really horrible practical jokes on each other.

5351
04:38:46,240 --> 04:38:49,360
Speaker 6: Or creating situations.

5352
04:38:48,599 --> 04:38:52,639
Speaker 9: That they knew was going to cause drama and conflict

5353
04:38:53,080 --> 04:38:56,319
because they got a weird kind of enjoyment out of

5354
04:38:56,439 --> 04:38:57,119
watching all that.

5355
04:38:57,240 --> 04:38:58,119
Speaker 3: Happen in front of them.

5356
04:38:58,200 --> 04:39:01,240
Speaker 6: That's just, unfortunately what happened. I guess when you're on

5357
04:39:01,319 --> 04:39:01,919
the road a lot.

5358
04:39:04,119 --> 04:39:09,599
Speaker 9: There was no doubt in my mind that Arne started

5359
04:39:09,720 --> 04:39:14,680
that issue because Arne, and it came out subsequently. Arn

5360
04:39:14,840 --> 04:39:17,400
was kind of like poking Sid, making fun of Sid,

5361
04:39:18,279 --> 04:39:22,720
challenging Sid, embarrassing Sid in front of his peers. That

5362
04:39:22,959 --> 04:39:26,240
was arn Anderson's mo when he was drinking. When he

5363
04:39:26,319 --> 04:39:30,240
was sober, he was fine, we all changed when we're drinking.

5364
04:39:30,599 --> 04:39:33,240
I was a lot more interesting two hours ago than

5365
04:39:33,240 --> 04:39:42,000
I am now. But I'm gonna do my best. But

5366
04:39:42,240 --> 04:39:44,200
Arn was the kind of guy that once he started

5367
04:39:44,240 --> 04:39:48,279
drinking and having fun, he was like he was the

5368
04:39:48,400 --> 04:39:52,759
class clown. Only his idea of humor was to make

5369
04:39:52,840 --> 04:39:57,279
fun of people, to moralize people, challenge people.

5370
04:39:59,080 --> 04:39:59,680
Speaker 6: And I knew that.

5371
04:40:00,880 --> 04:40:03,919
Speaker 9: But the reason I fired Sid is because Sid made

5372
04:40:03,959 --> 04:40:10,880
the decision. Backtrack, So Arn's poking the bear, making fun

5373
04:40:10,919 --> 04:40:13,159
of Sid in front of everybody in a bar. They're

5374
04:40:13,159 --> 04:40:17,599
all drinking, everybody's drinking, including Sid. Aren't everybody else aren't

5375
04:40:17,759 --> 04:40:21,360
making fun of him, challenging him, demoralizing him, degrading him

5376
04:40:21,360 --> 04:40:24,880
in front of people. Whatever the case was. They both

5377
04:40:24,959 --> 04:40:31,680
go up to their rooms. Eventually Sid decides to leave his.

5378
04:40:31,959 --> 04:40:34,759
Speaker 6: Room and go confront Art.

5379
04:40:36,560 --> 04:40:37,439
Speaker 3: That was the mistake.

5380
04:40:38,119 --> 04:40:40,720
Speaker 9: If Sid would have gone to his room, Arn't would

5381
04:40:40,720 --> 04:40:43,119
have gone to his room. They both would have slept

5382
04:40:43,159 --> 04:40:46,119
it off, there would have been no issue. But Sid

5383
04:40:46,400 --> 04:40:52,159
made the decision to go confront Arn and then the

5384
04:40:52,279 --> 04:40:57,599
incident happened. That's why I fired Sid. He's the one

5385
04:40:57,639 --> 04:41:02,080
that made a decision to go. Take it one step further. Now,

5386
04:41:02,319 --> 04:41:05,639
I can't condone stabbing somebody with a pair of scissors,

5387
04:41:06,439 --> 04:41:13,279
but Arne was defending himself as crass or unreasonable as

5388
04:41:13,360 --> 04:41:16,599
that may sound, when you have a guy's big as

5389
04:41:16,680 --> 04:41:19,959
Sid Vicious coming to your room to kick your ass,

5390
04:41:20,319 --> 04:41:21,919
you're going to do whatever you have to do to

5391
04:41:22,080 --> 04:41:24,639
not get your ass kicked. And I again, I'm not

5392
04:41:24,759 --> 04:41:29,240
condoning that, but at least I can put it into context.

5393
04:41:30,200 --> 04:41:33,520
And the fact that Sid could have stayed in his

5394
04:41:33,680 --> 04:41:37,919
room and left the bee, but chose to ratchet the

5395
04:41:38,040 --> 04:41:42,799
violence up by confronting Arn, in my opinion, made him

5396
04:41:42,840 --> 04:41:43,639
the one that had to go.

5397
04:41:45,720 --> 04:41:47,959
Speaker 8: But wait, was that the reason he had to go?

5398
04:41:49,720 --> 04:41:51,400
Why is that ultimately the reason? I mean, you've got

5399
04:41:51,479 --> 04:41:55,080
to remember Stark ninety three. Main event is on the books,

5400
04:41:55,959 --> 04:41:57,919
say it shout the angle. You heard the reference there

5401
04:41:57,959 --> 04:42:00,319
in Alex Marvez's piece about how they had just actually

5402
04:42:00,400 --> 04:42:04,200
turned Sid babyface in preparation for the Vader match before

5403
04:42:04,240 --> 04:42:07,200
this happened. Do you know who Sid was in the

5404
04:42:07,279 --> 04:42:10,639
ring with on the October thirtieth, nineteen ninety three edition

5405
04:42:10,680 --> 04:42:13,119
of Saturday Night, the first ww television show to air

5406
04:42:13,240 --> 04:42:15,959
after the stabbing took place over in the UK. No,

5407
04:42:16,319 --> 04:42:22,000
he's in the ring with Nature Boy Rick Flair, the

5408
04:42:22,080 --> 04:42:23,799
same guy that he's in the hotel saying needs to

5409
04:42:23,840 --> 04:42:26,000
move out of the way. Is the guy getting him

5410
04:42:26,040 --> 04:42:27,560
primed for the main event of the biggest show on

5411
04:42:27,680 --> 04:42:28,840
WCW's calendar year.

5412
04:42:29,119 --> 04:42:29,959
Speaker 6: Oh my god.

5413
04:42:30,479 --> 04:42:33,680
Speaker 8: So Sid, who's still managed by Colonel Parker by this point,

5414
04:42:33,759 --> 04:42:37,959
still being a heel seven days after the stabbing. This

5415
04:42:38,240 --> 04:42:42,240
is what wrestling fans around the country you see on WTBS.

5416
04:42:44,119 --> 04:42:46,720
Speaker 3: Out of his US and Flayers a quick twiner than heels.

5417
04:42:48,479 --> 04:42:52,919
Speaker 11: Ric Flair could be moments away, step three shots approval

5418
04:42:53,240 --> 04:42:54,319
couldree moments away.

5419
04:42:54,880 --> 04:42:57,319
Speaker 3: I think this is the only Flare side on one match,

5420
04:42:57,439 --> 04:42:59,200
by the way, I think you're right.

5421
04:43:02,799 --> 04:43:10,560
Speaker 11: Blocked by Fishes. WHOA But Fishes didn't get blocking rams

5422
04:43:10,599 --> 04:43:11,959
the Nature Boy into the buck hole.

5423
04:43:12,360 --> 04:43:14,520
Speaker 8: Do you remember them going one on one in like WWF.

5424
04:43:14,599 --> 04:43:18,319
Speaker 3: I don't No, I don't think so. No, because unless

5425
04:43:18,400 --> 04:43:21,000
they did in something like house showing like ninety one, right.

5426
04:43:23,599 --> 04:43:27,680
Speaker 19: As Sid Vicious now, thank you, gonna try the power

5427
04:43:27,759 --> 04:43:28,159
bomb here?

5428
04:43:29,159 --> 04:43:29,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

5429
04:43:29,639 --> 04:43:30,599
Speaker 5: Maybe the wheels take.

5430
04:43:30,520 --> 04:43:31,159
Speaker 12: It out from Leondery.

5431
04:43:31,200 --> 04:43:32,840
Speaker 3: Maybe he can't get him up like he should.

5432
04:43:35,599 --> 04:43:37,720
Speaker 2: Let's see what a flare upside down.

5433
04:43:38,279 --> 04:43:42,240
Speaker 3: But still a center stage days by the ways off

5434
04:43:42,319 --> 04:43:45,520
the top. Put any event to seats on the hard

5435
04:43:45,560 --> 04:43:49,119
camera side, brings him back down.

5436
04:43:49,720 --> 04:43:51,080
Speaker 14: Oh, they both hit hard at time.

5437
04:43:51,400 --> 04:43:54,560
Speaker 11: Kelly the back suplex, but Fishes got the worst end

5438
04:43:54,599 --> 04:43:58,360
of that one. It ain't offen big. Sid gets taken

5439
04:43:58,400 --> 04:44:04,799
off his feet. Flair with a cover, whoa any can

5440
04:44:04,919 --> 04:44:05,639
of pulted flair?

5441
04:44:05,680 --> 04:44:08,119
Speaker 8: All power kickout by Sid with the gua pret with

5442
04:44:08,200 --> 04:44:10,360
the press there the bench press, and.

5443
04:44:10,479 --> 04:44:12,080
Speaker 14: Now Rick Claire up top again.

5444
04:44:12,720 --> 04:44:15,479
Speaker 3: Sid fishes up to me. Didn't do anything about it?

5445
04:44:16,040 --> 04:44:19,200
Rick Flare tandel and Flare goes for the Figure four,

5446
04:44:20,639 --> 04:44:25,840
locks it in and he's hooked. He's gotta hook that

5447
04:44:26,040 --> 04:44:30,119
Sid fish us Colonel Parker losing the ship at inside.

5448
04:44:31,400 --> 04:44:33,439
Speaker 2: Set.

5449
04:44:33,799 --> 04:44:37,880
Speaker 3: Now Colonel Parker's up on the apron. Sid reverses the

5450
04:44:37,880 --> 04:44:41,799
Figure four, Parker's in the ring and kicks Flair in

5451
04:44:41,799 --> 04:44:42,520
the head good.

5452
04:44:42,959 --> 04:44:44,159
Speaker 13: Colonel Parker's come in.

5453
04:44:45,799 --> 04:44:47,880
Speaker 3: That's gonna get flair of the wind. They're gonna just

5454
04:44:47,959 --> 04:44:53,240
wantify sa Hey, give flair the wind sides the turn as.

5455
04:44:53,119 --> 04:44:58,000
Speaker 13: A result about this clification make too hold.

5456
04:44:57,520 --> 04:44:59,599
Speaker 8: And it's here boss where Sid is sick of his

5457
04:44:59,680 --> 04:45:03,040
heeling manager Wow on.

5458
04:45:03,159 --> 04:45:07,040
Speaker 13: Words, gay tend Why you're on TVs Hey? All the

5459
04:45:07,119 --> 04:45:11,639
turner could do is react, look at fair, you know, look.

5460
04:45:11,520 --> 04:45:12,680
Speaker 3: To please with the perdile.

5461
04:45:13,040 --> 04:45:15,680
Speaker 11: Why did you look at PA's try to explain to

5462
04:45:15,880 --> 04:45:17,319
one now when he had a time.

5463
04:45:17,400 --> 04:45:21,119
Speaker 3: I don't stand he was incredible and not Sid christious

5464
04:45:21,520 --> 04:45:25,520
and the corner cough sackius. The title shot Sid looking

5465
04:45:25,560 --> 04:45:29,040
at people like, shouldn't necessarily say that? Toody. I think

5466
04:45:29,080 --> 04:45:31,680
that's what Sid saying right now. The turtle make the

5467
04:45:31,759 --> 04:45:32,599
moves because he had to.

5468
04:45:32,840 --> 04:45:33,720
Speaker 18: We are out of time.

5469
04:45:34,000 --> 04:45:36,720
Speaker 3: We got a guy. We're gonna tell your he's got

5470
04:45:36,799 --> 04:45:38,720
curib you next week.

5471
04:45:42,080 --> 04:45:45,200
Speaker 8: And Saturday Night fades to black. Wow, that's wild it

5472
04:45:45,360 --> 04:45:47,959
Sid elevating Colonel Parker. They don't show the impact on

5473
04:45:48,000 --> 04:45:50,599
the choke slam, but they do show him lifting him

5474
04:45:50,599 --> 04:45:53,279
in the goose hole. And now Sid is ready ready

5475
04:45:53,319 --> 04:45:56,560
to go as the top guy, potential future world champion

5476
04:45:56,680 --> 04:45:59,680
to dethrone Vader the Monster, and we're on our way.

5477
04:45:59,759 --> 04:46:01,680
We're at least so we thought. It's just amazing that

5478
04:46:01,799 --> 04:46:06,159
that airs after after Sid stabs are and over a

5479
04:46:06,200 --> 04:46:07,119
fight over Rick Flair.

5480
04:46:07,799 --> 04:46:09,360
Speaker 3: That's really fucking crazy.

5481
04:46:09,479 --> 04:46:11,560
Speaker 8: That is That's that's Halloween season. You want to talk

5482
04:46:11,560 --> 04:46:14,439
about serendipity. Oh yeah, right, that's Halloween nineteen ninety three.

5483
04:46:14,439 --> 04:46:17,240
As we sit here upon Halloween two thousand and twenty four,

5484
04:46:17,360 --> 04:46:19,959
ten years strong on TLFT, he's.

5485
04:46:19,840 --> 04:46:21,880
Speaker 2: A lapsed fan wrestling podcast.

5486
04:46:39,240 --> 04:46:42,759
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Carn

5487
04:46:42,880 --> 04:46:44,599
Seo and JP Sorrow.

5488
04:46:45,080 --> 04:46:47,360
Speaker 8: But was that the reason ultimately that Sid was fired

5489
04:46:47,360 --> 04:46:49,599
by WCW in nineteen ninety three. I mean, that's a

5490
04:46:49,639 --> 04:46:52,959
lot of equity they just put into Sid shooting that

5491
04:46:53,040 --> 04:46:55,479
big angle and a one on one match with Rick

5492
04:46:55,520 --> 04:46:57,720
Flair on Saturday Night, which this is of course pre

5493
04:46:57,880 --> 04:47:00,599
Monday nightro So Saturday Night was really the most primo

5494
04:47:00,720 --> 04:47:04,439
exposure they could give their biggest angles. You know, I

5495
04:47:04,439 --> 04:47:06,240
don't know, what, wouldn't it be easy to talk WCW

5496
04:47:06,360 --> 04:47:08,919
brass into maybe keeping Sid around even after he nearly

5497
04:47:09,119 --> 04:47:10,560
fucking killed Arn Anderson.

5498
04:47:12,360 --> 04:47:20,119
Speaker 3: I'm gonna guess he just did something stupid like pour

5499
04:47:20,759 --> 04:47:23,680
a can of Vienna's down the garbage disposers.

5500
04:47:25,360 --> 04:47:28,959
Speaker 8: Not quite that bad, but you know, you hear Bischoffs say,

5501
04:47:28,959 --> 04:47:31,599
in no uncertain terms, he fired Sid because Sid instigated

5502
04:47:31,639 --> 04:47:33,360
Sid took it to the next level in terms of,

5503
04:47:33,759 --> 04:47:36,080
you know, the fight with arn Anderson. But if that

5504
04:47:36,279 --> 04:47:38,599
was the case, then why would Sid be talking to

5505
04:47:38,680 --> 04:47:43,759
Hannibal about a series of contract negotiations that took place

5506
04:47:44,000 --> 04:47:49,439
after the stabbing OO, which WCW seemed quite keen on

5507
04:47:49,639 --> 04:47:51,919
keeping the Psycho one. And to hear Sid tell it here,

5508
04:47:52,400 --> 04:47:54,479
it's a whole different reason that he never came back

5509
04:47:54,520 --> 04:47:58,240
to WCW after leaving arn Anderson in a bloody heap

5510
04:47:58,279 --> 04:47:58,720
in England.

5511
04:48:00,200 --> 04:48:02,080
Speaker 6: X Y, you were the one that was let go

5512
04:48:02,200 --> 04:48:02,479
out of that.

5513
04:48:02,799 --> 04:48:04,840
Speaker 7: No, this is what happened. I went into the office

5514
04:48:04,880 --> 04:48:06,080
with my Oh, this is what happened. This is what

5515
04:48:06,200 --> 04:48:09,599
started to fight. Right before we go overseas, Ary Bischall

5516
04:48:09,680 --> 04:48:13,040
tells to me. He says, uh, we understand that I

5517
04:48:13,200 --> 04:48:14,919
never signed a contract there while.

5518
04:48:14,799 --> 04:48:15,599
Speaker 3: O he was boss.

5519
04:48:16,200 --> 04:48:18,720
Speaker 7: Now, when Eric took over, I was still getting paid

5520
04:48:18,919 --> 04:48:21,599
on the original contract. But when it was when I

5521
04:48:21,799 --> 04:48:24,360
was to work with Vader for the World Championship, that

5522
04:48:24,560 --> 04:48:25,880
my year would have been up and I would have

5523
04:48:26,000 --> 04:48:29,279
got to ask for more money. So I hate this

5524
04:48:29,479 --> 04:48:31,799
is true, the true story. So Eric's talked to me.

5525
04:48:31,840 --> 04:48:33,880
He says, said, you haven't got it. You have you're

5526
04:48:33,880 --> 04:48:36,759
not under contract. I said, yeah, now I knew it.

5527
04:48:36,840 --> 04:48:38,799
I didn't think it meant that much. So he goes, well,

5528
04:48:38,799 --> 04:48:40,240
we need to get you in the contract, but not

5529
04:48:40,319 --> 04:48:42,479
what I'm getting paid now. He said, well, what do

5530
04:48:42,520 --> 04:48:43,759
you want? When I told him, he said, no, we're

5531
04:48:43,799 --> 04:48:45,279
not gonna get that to you. Well, then I'm not

5532
04:48:45,360 --> 04:48:48,200
gonna be here any longer. So he says, okay, well

5533
04:48:48,200 --> 04:48:48,799
we'll give it to you.

5534
04:48:48,919 --> 04:48:50,959
Speaker 6: So he gave it to me. I signed it. Were

5535
04:48:51,040 --> 04:48:54,279
overseas and that's pretty easily. What the argument was, I

5536
04:48:54,400 --> 04:48:57,599
just got a big pay paid increase, you know. So

5537
04:48:58,880 --> 04:49:02,840
what was the question again, uh to you being okay?

5538
04:49:02,959 --> 04:49:06,159
Speaker 7: So when after the fight and we came back home

5539
04:49:06,319 --> 04:49:08,080
and I held up a little bit, me and my

5540
04:49:08,200 --> 04:49:12,080
lawyer Bill after I mean uh uh not Bill, after

5541
04:49:13,599 --> 04:49:16,400
Bill Effert out of Memphis. He went with me there,

5542
04:49:16,759 --> 04:49:18,279
and this is what they told me in the office

5543
04:49:18,319 --> 04:49:20,720
that day. If I would be willing to go back

5544
04:49:20,759 --> 04:49:23,040
to my original pay I could keep my job, and

5545
04:49:23,119 --> 04:49:23,520
I said no.

5546
04:49:24,200 --> 04:49:26,599
Speaker 6: And that's why I lost my job? Was it because

5547
04:49:26,599 --> 04:49:29,040
of what I did? Because we take a pay cut.

5548
04:49:32,479 --> 04:49:36,200
Speaker 8: Sounds about right, thank you very much. Why are you

5549
04:49:36,400 --> 04:49:38,360
negotiating with the guy if he's if he's in the

5550
04:49:38,400 --> 04:49:39,360
wrong here and needs to go.

5551
04:49:40,200 --> 04:49:43,639
Speaker 3: I mean, they're always listen. That's exactly it right there.

5552
04:49:43,680 --> 04:49:49,880
I mean, I I wrestling doesn't care. That's fucking correct,

5553
04:49:50,400 --> 04:49:53,080
all right. If you tried to fucking kill somebody or

5554
04:49:53,119 --> 04:49:57,159
you injured somebody greatly, what they care about is they

5555
04:49:57,200 --> 04:49:58,799
don't want to give you more money than they think

5556
04:49:58,840 --> 04:49:59,240
you deserve.

5557
04:50:00,880 --> 04:50:02,799
Speaker 8: And Sid, that's Sid's omo and that's why you drove

5558
04:50:02,840 --> 04:50:05,119
people so crazy. If you listen closely, he said that

5559
04:50:05,200 --> 04:50:07,759
that's really what the fight with arn in London was about,

5560
04:50:07,880 --> 04:50:10,560
was the fact that he had just gotten them to

5561
04:50:10,639 --> 04:50:13,200
agree to give him more money because he didn't have

5562
04:50:13,200 --> 04:50:16,360
an ink to deal under early so and that was

5563
04:50:16,400 --> 04:50:19,400
Sid's That's why people hated Sid from a front office perspective,

5564
04:50:19,439 --> 04:50:21,000
and you know from some of the wrestlers as well,

5565
04:50:21,599 --> 04:50:24,000
is that he would just decide whenever the hell he wanted.

5566
04:50:24,959 --> 04:50:27,000
That you give me more money or I'm leaving, and

5567
04:50:27,080 --> 04:50:29,319
he would leave, and he would call your bluff, even

5568
04:50:29,319 --> 04:50:30,680
if he had a contract with you, he would go

5569
04:50:30,680 --> 04:50:33,680
ahead sue me, basically, sue me for not showing up.

5570
04:50:33,720 --> 04:50:35,759
Speaker 3: I know you won't, and he just he.

5571
04:50:35,840 --> 04:50:39,159
Speaker 8: Is not obligated that's correct, to honor anything that's correct.

5572
04:50:39,200 --> 04:50:41,759
And that's why there's so much, so many grains of truth,

5573
04:50:41,799 --> 04:50:46,119
and that version of SID that we've interpolated over the

5574
04:50:46,240 --> 04:50:47,200
years here at TLF.

5575
04:50:47,799 --> 04:50:48,880
Speaker 3: That's so fucking crazy.

5576
04:50:49,119 --> 04:50:52,599
Speaker 8: So I don't know, I don't know why you're glibbling

5577
04:50:52,680 --> 04:50:55,319
over pay. If you need to get rid of SID

5578
04:50:55,400 --> 04:50:58,680
for being the aggressor in England, sounds to me like bullshit.

5579
04:51:00,279 --> 04:51:04,080
Sid goes on to say, I agree with that for sure.

5580
04:51:04,319 --> 04:51:07,799
Goes on to say in that interview that Bishof from

5581
04:51:07,799 --> 04:51:09,680
what he understood, had been saying that guys at WCW

5582
04:51:09,799 --> 04:51:12,200
were threatening to quit the organization if Sid wasn't fired,

5583
04:51:13,040 --> 04:51:15,040
and that his lawyers went into a meeting with Eric

5584
04:51:15,080 --> 04:51:17,479
and Bill Shaw and that he was later released. But

5585
04:51:17,560 --> 04:51:19,919
there was never any kind of ultimatum in terms of

5586
04:51:20,959 --> 04:51:23,240
one of the two has to go or you know,

5587
04:51:23,919 --> 04:51:27,599
anything like that. So he disagrees with the I think

5588
04:51:27,639 --> 04:51:29,919
the long standing kind of sense that there would have

5589
04:51:29,919 --> 04:51:31,360
been like a mutiny in the locker room if SID

5590
04:51:31,479 --> 04:51:34,919
wasn't fired. Well, they certainly did a lot towards signing

5591
04:51:35,000 --> 04:51:37,319
him to a new contract before the blood was probably

5592
04:51:37,360 --> 04:51:40,599
even dry in the carpet back in Blackburn. And of

5593
04:51:40,680 --> 04:51:44,319
course we can't forget this. November ninety three is upon

5594
04:51:44,439 --> 04:51:46,880
us and Vince McMahon is about to be indicted on

5595
04:51:47,000 --> 04:51:51,240
conspiracy to distribute antabolic steroids, and the scrutiny on steroid

5596
04:51:51,319 --> 04:51:54,439
use in pro wrestling is now at a level unforeseen.

5597
04:51:55,000 --> 04:51:58,080
We're now talking charges. We're not talking corporate disgrace. We're

5598
04:51:58,119 --> 04:52:03,279
now talking is wcwn ight ah. And in that environment,

5599
04:52:03,439 --> 04:52:07,520
I think, as we learned at WWF, SID doesn't necessarily thrive.

5600
04:52:08,840 --> 04:52:10,880
And just as much as Colonel Parker reminds us that

5601
04:52:11,000 --> 04:52:12,959
steroids may have had a hell of a lot to

5602
04:52:13,040 --> 04:52:15,119
do with why Sid was in the mood he was

5603
04:52:15,159 --> 04:52:18,240
in when he nearly killed Arne Anderson, and steroids had

5604
04:52:18,279 --> 04:52:20,319
to do what it had to do with the failed

5605
04:52:20,360 --> 04:52:23,279
test around WrestleMania eight and SID suddenly finding a reason

5606
04:52:23,319 --> 04:52:26,360
to leave in a huff shortly after that event, so too,

5607
04:52:26,959 --> 04:52:32,919
does his forthcoming match with Vader get complicated by the

5608
04:52:33,040 --> 04:52:36,560
drug component? The Observer November eighth, nineteen ninety three. Meltzer

5609
04:52:36,639 --> 04:52:39,200
rites eventually, after being told ahead of time all ww

5610
04:52:39,279 --> 04:52:41,759
wrestlers were supposed to go in one afternoon before taping

5611
04:52:41,799 --> 04:52:44,279
to be steroid tested, the results are lack thereof of

5612
04:52:44,360 --> 04:52:46,840
such have turned into only the latest and a long

5613
04:52:46,919 --> 04:52:49,040
series of laughing stocks when it comes to the subject.

5614
04:52:49,080 --> 04:52:52,000
Since either failure didn't result in suspension, as the existing

5615
04:52:52,080 --> 04:52:55,400
policy stated, or nobody failed, what's even the thought of

5616
04:52:55,840 --> 04:52:59,319
most preposterous Given the beatable nature of tests and lackluster

5617
04:52:59,439 --> 04:53:02,759
monitoring them. The one thing we know for sure, Meltzer wrote,

5618
04:53:03,240 --> 04:53:07,040
is that sid Udy didn't fail that test. He missed

5619
04:53:07,159 --> 04:53:11,080
the test. Yes, he had a valid reason. Meltzer says

5620
04:53:11,400 --> 04:53:13,520
the company booked him for a public appearance the day

5621
04:53:13,560 --> 04:53:16,279
before and he couldn't get back in time. Somehow, said

5622
04:53:16,319 --> 04:53:19,439
always finds himself in these situations. Man, it's always an airport,

5623
04:53:19,520 --> 04:53:22,959
it's always a plane that didn't show up. Eventually, according

5624
04:53:23,000 --> 04:53:24,840
to several reports, he was asked to take the test

5625
04:53:25,200 --> 04:53:27,360
at a television taping a few weeks later and walked

5626
04:53:28,000 --> 04:53:31,360
out by company policy. That would mean an automatic six

5627
04:53:31,400 --> 04:53:33,680
weeks suspension and no reinstatement until he was able to

5628
04:53:33,720 --> 04:53:37,200
pass a new test. The next day everything was smoothed out.

5629
04:53:38,000 --> 04:53:40,040
It is the belief of many wrestlers, but unable to

5630
04:53:40,080 --> 04:53:42,080
be confirmed at press time, that Yudi never took the

5631
04:53:42,159 --> 04:53:45,159
test and may have even refused again on a later occasion,

5632
04:53:45,279 --> 04:53:48,880
or even on two later occasions, a statement TBSNWIP management

5633
04:53:48,880 --> 04:53:52,400
had refused to comment on despite several media requests earlier

5634
04:53:52,400 --> 04:53:54,799
this week in the week of the latest incidents. If

5635
04:53:54,799 --> 04:53:57,919
this is true, and if is the key word because

5636
04:53:57,959 --> 04:53:59,799
nothing is confirmed, then here is the crux of this

5637
04:54:00,159 --> 04:54:01,319
entire situation right here.

5638
04:54:01,520 --> 04:54:01,759
Speaker 9: M H.

5639
04:54:02,360 --> 04:54:04,400
Speaker 8: How can a company Meltzer Rights, give a huge raise

5640
04:54:04,759 --> 04:54:06,799
and make the decision to make someone world champion and

5641
04:54:06,880 --> 04:54:09,000
build the company around someone with a track record like

5642
04:54:09,119 --> 04:54:13,119
this easy because of how the man looks. Rules that

5643
04:54:13,159 --> 04:54:15,119
apply to most wrestlers don't apply to someone who is

5644
04:54:15,119 --> 04:54:17,759
six eight, three hundred pounds exactly, little body fat and

5645
04:54:17,759 --> 04:54:20,479
freakish muscularity, even though people who look like that are

5646
04:54:20,520 --> 04:54:23,279
the exact reason wrestling companies have been pressured into making

5647
04:54:23,360 --> 04:54:25,799
those rules to begin with. If Sidyudy walked out on

5648
04:54:25,880 --> 04:54:28,319
a test and wasn't suspended right then and there. The

5649
04:54:28,439 --> 04:54:31,119
management of WCW needs to answer the question as to

5650
04:54:31,119 --> 04:54:34,000
why it's written policy wasn't enforced. If sid Udy did

5651
04:54:34,040 --> 04:54:36,599
this more than once and wasn't fired after the second occurrence,

5652
04:54:36,680 --> 04:54:38,720
more questions need to be answered, and those who let

5653
04:54:38,799 --> 04:54:41,040
him slide need to be called on the carpet and

5654
04:54:41,200 --> 04:54:44,639
severely reprimanded for creating the double standard. If those officials

5655
04:54:44,720 --> 04:54:47,599
didn't immediately follow up by insisting on changing the planned

5656
04:54:47,639 --> 04:54:50,360
storyline of sid Vicious becoming the next world champion at

5657
04:54:50,360 --> 04:54:52,520
that point, there was a strong question as to whether

5658
04:54:52,560 --> 04:54:55,360
they should be allowed to continue in their positions. If

5659
04:54:55,400 --> 04:54:57,200
he did this a third time, those who allowed it

5660
04:54:57,279 --> 04:54:59,680
and continue to allow the storylines to go unchecked and

5661
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:02,880
direction of making him world champion while possessing knowledge of this,

5662
04:55:03,080 --> 04:55:05,439
need to be fired, not to mention the legal liability

5663
04:55:05,520 --> 04:55:07,200
they should have to answer for because of the end

5664
04:55:07,240 --> 04:55:09,119
result of all this. If he walked out on a

5665
04:55:09,159 --> 04:55:12,159
steroid test and was subsequently given a raise or a

5666
04:55:12,240 --> 04:55:15,400
bonus to do a job, or however it is worded,

5667
04:55:15,959 --> 04:55:18,400
the people responsible for making the decisions to give him

5668
04:55:18,439 --> 04:55:20,360
that raise and still give him the world title should

5669
04:55:20,400 --> 04:55:22,959
be fired along with, if not ahead of, sid Udy.

5670
04:55:23,439 --> 04:55:25,639
Even if steroids are not applicable to this story and

5671
04:55:25,759 --> 04:55:28,240
none of the items regarding walking out on tests are true,

5672
04:55:28,639 --> 04:55:31,400
there is still no way WCW can justify sid Udy

5673
04:55:31,720 --> 04:55:35,279
remaining part of the company. There have been no confirmation

5674
04:55:35,400 --> 04:55:37,400
whether the stories regarding whether or not Uty had been

5675
04:55:37,439 --> 04:55:40,680
steroid tested before leaving on the tour are true talk

5676
04:55:40,720 --> 04:55:43,560
about the European tour since ww has avoided returning phone

5677
04:55:43,599 --> 04:55:45,680
calls to those who asked. The very fact of that

5678
04:55:45,759 --> 04:55:48,159
has only fueled further rampant rumors. While there may be

5679
04:55:48,279 --> 04:55:50,479
no tangible evidence of steroid use by sid Uty that

5680
04:55:50,479 --> 04:55:52,159
would hold up in a court of law, the incident

5681
04:55:52,200 --> 04:55:55,119
has largely raised the steroid issue once again among both

5682
04:55:55,159 --> 04:55:57,799
wrestlers and those covering wrestling. It is believed that several

5683
04:55:57,959 --> 04:56:00,240
WCW wrestlers who did take the recent drug test tests

5684
04:56:00,319 --> 04:56:03,080
failed the test and are being required to attend to

5685
04:56:03,119 --> 04:56:05,279
one day seminar on the evils of steroids and other

5686
04:56:05,279 --> 04:56:08,520
I legal drugs. Whatever evils, there may be a question

5687
04:56:08,639 --> 04:56:11,360
that has to be asked by all wrestlers is if

5688
04:56:11,520 --> 04:56:15,159
those evils override the potential benefits, a significant advantage in

5689
04:56:15,200 --> 04:56:16,919
obtaining a job, and an ability to earn a more

5690
04:56:16,959 --> 04:56:20,159
lucrative contract with more job security than far more talented counterparts.

5691
04:56:20,479 --> 04:56:22,919
No suspensions were levied. This may have been because the

5692
04:56:22,919 --> 04:56:24,720
company would have had a hard time even fielding a

5693
04:56:24,799 --> 04:56:27,799
line up for the European Tour and all these major

5694
04:56:27,840 --> 04:56:30,240
shows if the written rules regarding six weeks suspensions for

5695
04:56:30,279 --> 04:56:32,880
first defense and no reinstatement until label to pass a

5696
04:56:32,959 --> 04:56:35,000
subsequent test had been enforced.

5697
04:56:35,319 --> 04:56:36,200
Speaker 3: Think about that boss.

5698
04:56:36,599 --> 04:56:38,639
Speaker 8: Did sid get on that plane to go on this

5699
04:56:38,799 --> 04:56:41,959
tour where he nearly stabbed arn Anderson to death when

5700
04:56:42,000 --> 04:56:43,840
he should have been on a six week suspension for

5701
04:56:43,919 --> 04:56:45,080
walking out on a drug test?

5702
04:56:45,919 --> 04:56:46,759
Speaker 3: Ye huh.

5703
04:56:48,319 --> 04:56:48,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

5704
04:56:48,680 --> 04:56:50,599
Speaker 8: The belief of at least some wrestlers melts or rites

5705
04:56:50,639 --> 04:56:52,880
is that the company is serious about the steroids, subject

5706
04:56:52,919 --> 04:56:54,599
at least to the level of wanting everyone to be

5707
04:56:54,639 --> 04:56:56,759
able to pass tests, which to this point are given

5708
04:56:56,799 --> 04:56:59,080
with advanced warning, which makes them the easiest to beat.

5709
04:56:59,279 --> 04:57:01,439
When it pertains to the rank and file wrestlers, it

5710
04:57:01,479 --> 04:57:03,880
has appeared obvious that many wrestlers that had been using

5711
04:57:03,959 --> 04:57:06,319
steroids two months back are now off the stuff, But

5712
04:57:06,439 --> 04:57:08,680
to suggest that it is uniform throughout the company, or

5713
04:57:08,759 --> 04:57:11,119
that use is at the same level as the current WWF,

5714
04:57:11,279 --> 04:57:13,400
which has a far more strict testing system in place,

5715
04:57:13,599 --> 04:57:16,919
would be ridiculous. Whether the company would seriously enforce its

5716
04:57:16,959 --> 04:57:18,959
rules should a main event or fail a second test

5717
04:57:19,119 --> 04:57:21,200
during a key time period such as just before a

5718
04:57:21,240 --> 04:57:23,959
pay per view or clash, or test regularly those who

5719
04:57:24,000 --> 04:57:26,560
show signs of use, as it's written policy states, is

5720
04:57:26,639 --> 04:57:30,479
at best a matter of conjecture. Further on in the Observer,

5721
04:57:30,880 --> 04:57:35,479
Davy Boy said Vicious fired by WCW. Yes, big boss

5722
04:57:35,520 --> 04:57:39,880
Man replaces Smith first rude at stargate. That's correct in

5723
04:57:40,040 --> 04:57:44,200
unrelated incidents melts the rights too. WCW's most prominent bullseye

5724
04:57:44,279 --> 04:57:48,479
posters for federal investigations, Davy Boy Smith and said Vicious

5725
04:57:48,919 --> 04:57:51,520
were both fired man. Davy Boy likes to get fired

5726
04:57:51,560 --> 04:57:52,959
in twos for steroids, doesn't he?

5727
04:57:53,599 --> 04:57:55,639
Speaker 3: Yes? He does? Vicious? Who had signed?

5728
04:57:55,680 --> 04:57:55,799
Speaker 1: Who?

5729
04:57:56,200 --> 04:57:58,680
Speaker 8: Both these guys coming to WCW, by the way, after

5730
04:57:58,799 --> 04:58:01,119
leaving WWF with that cloud hanging over their head, make

5731
04:58:01,159 --> 04:58:04,279
no mistake about it. With the grand jury and paneled

5732
04:58:04,279 --> 04:58:07,040
for the vincent indictment. All that everyone knows people being

5733
04:58:07,080 --> 04:58:10,799
subpoenaed people being interviewed. Come on in, come on in

5734
04:58:11,959 --> 04:58:14,639
a pal it's going on. Come on int w CW

5735
04:58:14,799 --> 04:58:15,720
and you can do what you gotta do.

5736
04:58:16,360 --> 04:58:17,799
Speaker 3: What are you feeling, Powell? Are You're feeling good?

5737
04:58:18,159 --> 04:58:18,200
Speaker 7: This?

5738
04:58:18,360 --> 04:58:19,560
Speaker 3: You're feeling natural?

5739
04:58:21,040 --> 04:58:26,479
Speaker 8: Looking like a stack of dimes. Vicious, who agreed verbally

5740
04:58:26,840 --> 04:58:29,400
with the WCW officials to a four year, two point

5741
04:58:29,479 --> 04:58:33,000
four million dollar contract just before the October twenty sixth

5742
04:58:33,040 --> 04:58:35,400
incident in Blackburn, England, where he and arn Anderson stabbed

5743
04:58:35,439 --> 04:58:37,720
one another in a fight that got out of control. Technically,

5744
04:58:37,919 --> 04:58:40,599
wasn't fired over the incident with arn Anderson because of

5745
04:58:40,680 --> 04:58:45,560
legal reasons, but for what was termed overall volatile behavior. Yes,

5746
04:58:45,720 --> 04:58:49,080
Elzer says because of WCW officials apparently letting Vicious slide

5747
04:58:49,119 --> 04:58:52,000
on steroid tests. There is a very messy can of

5748
04:58:52,080 --> 04:58:54,520
worms that still has to be dealt with, so any

5749
04:58:54,560 --> 04:58:56,880
decision being absolute may not wind up being the case

5750
04:58:56,919 --> 04:58:59,759
in the long run. But for now, Vicious has been fired.

5751
04:59:00,080 --> 04:59:02,400
Arn Anderson, who has been suspended since the incident, will

5752
04:59:02,400 --> 04:59:05,279
be reinstated honor around December twenty eighth. It's been ironic

5753
04:59:05,319 --> 04:59:07,479
since television is not taped months in advance is now

5754
04:59:07,560 --> 04:59:10,439
taped months in advance to see Anderson doing interviews that

5755
04:59:10,520 --> 04:59:16,200
were taped in September and October talking about being stabbed

5756
04:59:16,240 --> 04:59:20,279
in the back. Davy Boyce Smith was also fired this

5757
04:59:20,360 --> 04:59:22,360
past week, or portally to set an example about too

5758
04:59:22,400 --> 04:59:26,119
many no shows, and Meltzer's final report on said Vicious

5759
04:59:26,159 --> 04:59:29,360
and WCW in nineteen ninety three reads as such. Said

5760
04:59:29,439 --> 04:59:32,680
Vicious was in the office on Thursday and was told

5761
04:59:32,720 --> 04:59:34,560
by a high ranking official that they'd like him back

5762
04:59:34,560 --> 04:59:37,080
as soon as possible, but put the heat on the

5763
04:59:37,119 --> 04:59:39,119
other wrestlers for not wanting him back, and saying they'd

5764
04:59:39,159 --> 04:59:40,680
bring him back, but they'd have to wait for the

5765
04:59:40,720 --> 04:59:43,680
wrestlers to cool down. This came two weeks after WCW

5766
04:59:43,799 --> 04:59:46,720
informed vicious lawyers that he was terminated and the four

5767
04:59:46,799 --> 04:59:48,880
year contract for two point four million that both sides

5768
04:59:48,880 --> 04:59:50,799
had agreed to wasn't going to be honored due to

5769
04:59:50,880 --> 04:59:51,799
his volatile nature.

5770
04:59:55,240 --> 05:00:04,439
Speaker 3: A Yeah, town checks out. YEP, sounds like sounds like

5771
05:00:04,479 --> 05:00:05,279
the wrestling business.

5772
05:00:06,520 --> 05:00:11,080
Speaker 8: I don't think you can get any more accurate with

5773
05:00:11,200 --> 05:00:15,119
the wrestling business than this whole fucking bunch of sid

5774
05:00:15,159 --> 05:00:17,119
tells us. Yeah, it tells us about the business.

5775
05:00:17,119 --> 05:00:18,919
Speaker 3: Doesn't. He yes, he does.

5776
05:00:19,639 --> 05:00:23,840
Speaker 8: And as we started with Booker T feeling just so grateful,

5777
05:00:25,040 --> 05:00:28,360
so humbled, and so protected by Sid's influence in WCW,

5778
05:00:28,479 --> 05:00:30,200
getting them into the company that led to him becoming

5779
05:00:30,200 --> 05:00:32,479
a national star and really setting him on the course

5780
05:00:32,520 --> 05:00:35,599
to make his life's fortune in the professional wrestling business.

5781
05:00:36,360 --> 05:00:39,520
So too was Booker T backstage when his patron Saint,

5782
05:00:39,560 --> 05:00:42,240
all of a sudden has to walk out the door,

5783
05:00:42,720 --> 05:00:44,520
just like you walked out of the World Wrestling Federation

5784
05:00:44,720 --> 05:00:50,080
with Downtown Bruno dragging his luggage behind him, because things

5785
05:00:50,119 --> 05:00:53,479
aren't going Sid's way. Sid's unhappy, and so we turned

5786
05:00:53,479 --> 05:00:56,000
to Booker T's book for a fly of the wall

5787
05:00:56,080 --> 05:00:59,159
perspective of how this all played out. It was a

5788
05:00:59,240 --> 05:01:02,360
pr nightmare for WCW. A few weeks later, back in

5789
05:01:02,400 --> 05:01:04,880
the state, Sid and arm were suspended without pay. It

5790
05:01:05,000 --> 05:01:06,680
was rumored that a bunch of guys threatened to walk

5791
05:01:06,720 --> 05:01:09,000
if Sid wasn't released. By December, Sid was let go.

5792
05:01:09,799 --> 05:01:12,119
I felt bad for Sid. He'd done so much for

5793
05:01:12,240 --> 05:01:14,720
lash in me, bringing us in, putting us up in

5794
05:01:14,759 --> 05:01:17,000
his own apartment, giving me that first pair of boots,

5795
05:01:17,040 --> 05:01:19,720
even looking out for our incremental pay raises. I'll always

5796
05:01:19,759 --> 05:01:21,479
owe a debt of gratitude to the Big Man for

5797
05:01:21,599 --> 05:01:25,240
our injection into the mainstream. However, by the time that

5798
05:01:25,319 --> 05:01:29,880
confrontation happened, I can say Sid didn't seem to be

5799
05:01:29,959 --> 05:01:32,520
in a good place. Yes, I don't know what he

5800
05:01:32,599 --> 05:01:35,560
was going through. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I don't

5801
05:01:35,560 --> 05:01:37,639
know what he was going through, but there was a

5802
05:01:37,680 --> 05:01:41,799
shift that most wouldn't have recognized something was wrong. Sometimes,

5803
05:01:42,119 --> 05:01:44,639
without explanation, he would be a no show at events

5804
05:01:44,680 --> 05:01:47,919
he was advertised for. Even worse were the times he'd arrive,

5805
05:01:48,240 --> 05:01:51,520
disapprove of everything they him booked in, get right back

5806
05:01:51,560 --> 05:01:54,799
in his car and leave. The agents and other guys

5807
05:01:54,840 --> 05:01:56,919
scheduled to work with him were left scrambling to pull

5808
05:01:56,959 --> 05:02:00,159
together something for the fans. And one of lashes, my

5809
05:02:00,279 --> 05:02:02,400
first shows on the road and making Georgia, Sid showed

5810
05:02:02,479 --> 05:02:04,919
up in the back. Everyone was milling around waiting for

5811
05:02:04,959 --> 05:02:07,319
the curtain call, and there was a big commotion. I

5812
05:02:07,439 --> 05:02:09,240
wasn't privy to any of the inner workings back then

5813
05:02:09,319 --> 05:02:12,799
and had no idea what was going on. Sid walked

5814
05:02:12,840 --> 05:02:16,840
past me with a look that could kill. He kicked

5815
05:02:16,840 --> 05:02:20,319
the back door open and was gone, just like that. Yes,

5816
05:02:20,599 --> 05:02:24,279
and he was the headliner that night. I thought, Wow,

5817
05:02:25,040 --> 05:02:27,080
when you get to that level, I guess you get

5818
05:02:27,119 --> 05:02:29,599
to call your own shots. That must be the way

5819
05:02:29,680 --> 05:02:33,720
the business is. But that's not the way it is. Unfortunately,

5820
05:02:34,080 --> 05:02:39,840
although he definitely was big, Sid wasn't that big. Nobody

5821
05:02:40,000 --> 05:02:45,680
is so now once again, and even more so than

5822
05:02:45,720 --> 05:02:48,880
ever before, Boss Sid is a pariah in the pro

5823
05:02:48,959 --> 05:02:51,240
wrestling business. Having done what he did to arn Anderson.

5824
05:02:51,639 --> 05:02:56,240
Speaker 3: God, what a fucking he is, such a I mean,

5825
05:02:56,360 --> 05:02:57,799
he's indescribable. Sometimes.

5826
05:02:58,200 --> 05:03:00,439
Speaker 8: Maybe that thing Booker noticed that was different about Sid

5827
05:03:00,599 --> 05:03:05,799
was I don't know, getting off his cycle. Hate to

5828
05:03:05,840 --> 05:03:10,360
put words in your mouth, book, but words in your mouth.

5829
05:03:10,439 --> 05:03:10,959
Speaker 3: But there it is.

5830
05:03:11,799 --> 05:03:15,240
Speaker 8: So now Sid to pariah in the business. Surely, surely,

5831
05:03:16,680 --> 05:03:19,520
having done what he did, no office would book him

5832
05:03:19,599 --> 05:03:25,919
lightly from here, right, it was back to the farm life,

5833
05:03:26,000 --> 05:03:31,119
play some softball, sell some agricultural chemicals. Figure out who

5834
05:03:31,200 --> 05:03:33,560
Sid was if he wasn't a wrestler. For certainly, there's

5835
05:03:33,639 --> 05:03:37,680
no way anyone would touch him now he had gone psycho.

5836
05:03:39,240 --> 05:03:42,279
There's no way attacking arn Anderson with a fucking pair

5837
05:03:42,319 --> 05:03:46,880
of scissors would in fact open the door to a

5838
05:03:46,959 --> 05:03:51,840
whole new character and another WWF run right not one

5839
05:03:51,880 --> 05:03:55,000
that it would eventually lead to the run of his

5840
05:03:55,119 --> 05:03:56,959
career Right.

5841
05:03:59,880 --> 05:04:01,840
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