1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,799 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:02,839 --> 00:00:06,919 Epstein Chronicles. About a week ago or so, we took 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,759 a look at some grand jury documents from the sdn 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,199 Y that had to do with Glen Maxwell. Well, in 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,599 this episode, we're going to begin taking a look at 6 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:19,440 more grand jury documents, this time from a different special 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,920 agent that was involved in the investigation into Glenn Maxwell. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,600 And as we go over this document, the format will 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,600 be the same format that we use all the time. 10 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,399 I'll say question, and that will mean the person asking 11 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:36,240 the question is speaking obviously, and then answer is from 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,439 the witness. And unfortunately there aren't any names here. Everything 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,679 seems to be redacted when it comes to information. So 14 00:00:44,119 --> 00:00:49,920 with that said, let's get started. Redacted called as a witness, 15 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:52,560 having been duly sworn by the four person of the 16 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,840 grand jury, was examined and testified as follows by misredacted 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,439 question Good morning answer, good morning question. Would you please 18 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:05,400 state your name for the record? Answer? Detective redacted? Question 19 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,040 Detective redacted, where do you work? Answer? New York City 20 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:12,040 Police Department? Question. I'm going to ask you to please 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,239 keep your voice up and speak as slowly as you 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,799 can redacted and can you pull a microphone towards you 23 00:01:17,879 --> 00:01:19,959 so that everyone in this big room can hear you. 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,359 Thank you. Where do you work answer New York City 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,359 Police Department? Question and what is your title there? Answer detective? 26 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:31,079 Question How long have you been with the NYPD? Answer 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,359 about fifteen years. Question Are you currently part of a 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:39,280 federal task force? Answer yes? Question what task force? Answer 29 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:43,560 the Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force with the FBI. 30 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Question What is your title on the task force? Answer 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:51,200 task force officer? Question How long have you been a 32 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:55,760 task force officer with the FBI? Answer since about twenty seventeen. 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,400 Question generally, what are your duties and responsibilities on the 34 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:03,319 task force? Answer? We address cases of child sex trafficking, 35 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,840 adult sex trafficking, child pornography, and child enticement. Question Over 36 00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:12,000 the last approximately three years, have you been involved in 37 00:02:12,039 --> 00:02:16,479 an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and his associates, including an 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,719 individual name Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes. Question During your investigation, 39 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,280 have you spoken with other people, including other law enforcement officers? 40 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,400 Answer yes. Question have you reviewed reports and documents prepared 41 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:33,599 by others and transcripts of testimony in other court and 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,919 grand jury proceedings? Answer yes, question, will your testimony be 43 00:02:39,039 --> 00:02:42,120 based in part on those conversations and documents that you 44 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:46,520 have reviewed? Answer yes, question, ladies and gentlemen, Some of 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,039 the testimony you are going to hear from Detective redacted 46 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,199 will include hearsay. That means he is not going to 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,759 testify only from his own personal observation. He will also 48 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,800 be testifying about what other people have told him and 49 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:02,159 what he has read in documents. Hearsay evidence, as you know, 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,280 is admissible and proper in these proceedings, and you are 51 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:08,919 permitted to rely on it in determining whether there is 52 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,199 probable cause to indict the defendant. But if you want 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,719 to hear testimony from other witnesses or see particular documents, 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,240 please let me know and I will make my best 55 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:25,520 effort to bring those before you. Misredacted. Question Detective over 56 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,240 the course of your investigation, as another member of the 57 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:31,199 FBI task force you're a part of, testified before a 58 00:03:31,199 --> 00:03:35,599 different grand jury about the facts of this case. Answer yes. Question, 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,120 I'd like to ask you to please pick up what 60 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,280 should be in front of you and mark does grand 61 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,840 Jury Exhibit three? Do you recognize that? Answer yes, question. 62 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,319 Is this a document of fair and accurate transcript of 63 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:52,199 testimony given by Special Agent redacted before a different grand 64 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,680 jury on June twenty ninth, twenty twenty, and that was 65 00:03:55,759 --> 00:03:58,840 the grand jury documents we looked at previously, just so 66 00:03:58,919 --> 00:04:03,800 everybody's up to date. Answer yes, question I'd like to 67 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,199 read back to you a portion of this transcript. We 68 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:09,199 will start at page two, line eighteen. I will read 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,039 the questions you read the answers. Question where do you 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,960 currently work? Answer the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Question what 71 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,759 is your title? Answer special agent? Question how long have 72 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,399 you worked as a special agent? Answer about three years now. 73 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:28,319 Question where are you currently assigned? Answer? I work on 74 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,360 the Violent Crimes Against Children's Squad? Question what are your 75 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:36,079 duties and responsibilities as a special agent on the squad? Answer? 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,519 We investigate crimes that have to do with children, sexual abuse, 77 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:46,040 material sextortion, exploitation, and entic spinal miners, sex trafficking misredacted. 78 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,360 You can stop there. I'll now jump to page four, 79 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:52,720 line thirteen. Question have you participated in an investigation of 80 00:04:52,759 --> 00:04:56,639 Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes, I have. Question have you spoken 81 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,920 to other people, including other law enforcement officers, about this investigation? 82 00:05:01,519 --> 00:05:05,720 Answer yes? Question have you reviewed reports? And documents prepared 83 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:09,519 by others regarding the case. Answer yes. Question is your 84 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,199 testimony today based in part on those conversations with other 85 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,360 law enforcement officers and documents that you have reviewed? Answer yes, 86 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,360 question misredacted stepping out of the read back at this point, 87 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,680 the AUSA provided the same hearsay instruction to the grand 88 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:29,000 jury at that time as I just provided to you all, 89 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:33,639 So that instruction applies with respect to Redacted's testimony the 90 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,279 same way it applies to Detective Redacted's testimony. We can 91 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:41,399 now go down to page fifteen, line seventeen by misredacted. 92 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:45,439 Question redacted, We've placed on the desk in front of 93 00:05:45,439 --> 00:05:48,720 you a PowerPoint that is a grand jury exhibit to 94 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,920 which we're entering into the record. Do you recognize this? 95 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,360 Answer yes? Question what is it? Answer? It's a PowerPoint 96 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,000 presentation to assist in testifying today. Question did you participate 97 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:05,360 in preparing this exhibit in connection with your testimony today? Answer? Yes, 98 00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:07,879 I did. Question if you could please turn to the 99 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,600 first slide. Who are the individuals depicted in the first slide? Answer? 100 00:06:13,639 --> 00:06:16,279 The picture on the left is Glenn Maxwell and the 101 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:20,879 picture on the right is Jeffrey Epstein with Glenn Maxwell. Question, 102 00:06:20,959 --> 00:06:24,160 based on your participation in this investigation and your review 103 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:27,480 of public source material, have Maxwell and Epstein been photographed 104 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:31,720 together many times over the years? Answer yes, question based 105 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:35,480 on your participation is this investigation and your review of 106 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,079 public material. Where is Maxwell from? Answer and Maxwell was 107 00:06:39,079 --> 00:06:41,480 born in France. She grew up in the United Kingdom 108 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,000 and was educated in Oxford and is from a very 109 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,639 wealthy family. Question Is she a citizen of France, the 110 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,800 United Kingdom, and the United States? Answer yes. Question how 111 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,120 old is she currently? Answer fifty eight? Question As the 112 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,519 FBI investigated Maxwell and Epstein's conduct with during the nineties, 113 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:06,199 answer yes. Question Generally speaking, what have you learned about 114 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:10,319 the relationship between Maxwell and Epstein during the nineties? Answer 115 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:13,800 Epstein and Maxwell had a romantic relationship, and she also 116 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:17,439 worked for him managing his homes, hiring and firing individuals. 117 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:20,680 Question during that time period, was she one of his 118 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:25,879 closest associates? Answer yes. Question during the course of the investigation, 119 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,160 have you learned where Epstein maintained properties in the nineties? 120 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:33,519 Answer yes. Question where did he maintain his properties? Answer 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,040 New York, Palm Beach, and New Mexico. Turning to the 122 00:07:37,079 --> 00:07:40,160 next slide. Did he maintain an address in Manhattan located 123 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,360 at nine East seventy first Street. Answer yes. Question does 124 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,160 the slide fairly and accurately depict the residence? Answer yes. 125 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,439 Question can you please describe that property for the grand jury? 126 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,120 Answer It's a seventh story home. It's located near Central Park, 127 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,839 and it's reportedly the largest residence in Manhattan. Question, based 128 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:04,360 on your participation in this investigation, did that house include 129 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,560 a room that was used as a massage room? Answer? Yes, 130 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,800 it did. Question all right, We'll talk more about that later, 131 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,920 but for now, moving on to the other properties. Did 132 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:17,079 he maintain an address in Palm Beach, Florida, located at 133 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:20,480 three p fifty eight L Brill Way. Answer yes. Question 134 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,120 turning to the next slide, does this slide fairly and 135 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:28,639 accurately depict the residence? Answer? Yes it does. Question could 136 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,800 you please describe the property for the grand jury? Answer 137 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,720 It's a waterfront estate. It has an in ground pool 138 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:39,480 and a detached dwelling or poolhouse on the property as well. Question, 139 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,600 aside from your participation in the investigation, your review of 140 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,240 other material, did that house include a room that was 141 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,639 used as a massage room? Answer yes. Question turning to 142 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,360 the next property. Did Epstein also on a ranch in 143 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:57,399 New Mexico? Answer yes he did. Question and turning to 144 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,320 the next slide, Well, where was the property located forty 145 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:04,120 nine Zoro Ranch in Stanley, New Mexico. Answer yes. Question 146 00:09:04,759 --> 00:09:07,679 looking at the photograph on this slide, does it accurately 147 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,159 depict that property? Answer yes, it does. Question, and we've 148 00:09:12,159 --> 00:09:14,879 been talking about the properties that Epstein owned during this 149 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,440 time period. Did he also own a private jet? Answer yes. 150 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Question is it fair to say that he was a 151 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:25,960 multi millionaire during this time period? Answer yes. Question during 152 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,919 the nineteen nineties, did Epstein have an employee adacted who 153 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:31,639 ran his house in Palm Beach? Answer yes, he did. 154 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:35,919 Question what was his job? Answer? His job was making 155 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:39,399 sure that everything in that house ran smoothly. He referred. 156 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,960 He described that Epstein liked to have his house run 157 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,480 like a five star hotel and that everything had to 158 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:47,159 be in its proper place, so he was responsible for 159 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,159 managing that question. Have you interviewed or redacted? Answer yes, 160 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,679 question how many times? Answer twice? Question And is the 161 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,000 information you're about to provide based on your interviews with redacted? 162 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:03,200 Answer o yes, question did Redacted begin working for Epstein 163 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,759 in the early nineties? Answer yes, he did. Question at 164 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:10,080 that time Redacted came to work for Epstein and Palm Beach. 165 00:10:10,279 --> 00:10:13,519 Was Epstein dating Glenne Maxwell at that point? Answer no, 166 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,240 not at that time. Question was it a few years 167 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,279 before Epstein began dating Maxwell after Redacted started working there? 168 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,720 Answer yes, question misredacted. I'm going to step out of 169 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:27,519 the read back. It sounds like the grand jurors are 170 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:31,000 having difficulty hearing or are having difficulty hearing me. The 171 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:36,600 witness are both grand juror the witness misredacted. So, Detective, 172 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:40,759 I'm going to ask you to please keep your voice up. 173 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:43,120 Try to shout into the microphone. Can you pull the 174 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:45,600 microphone toward you, lift it up and pull it all 175 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:48,480 the way up to you. Thank you. We left off 176 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:53,240 reading at page ten, line twelve by misredacted. Question from 177 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,000 what redacted told you? How did redacted work change once 178 00:10:57,039 --> 00:11:01,679 Maxwell arrived on the scene. Sir Redacted described Epstein as 179 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,960 being of more pleasant to work with prior to Maxwell 180 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 coming into the picture. Once she came into the picture, 181 00:11:06,919 --> 00:11:09,799 he said things became more secretive. He wasn't allowed to 182 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,799 be in the room with guests, wasn't allowed to talk 183 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:17,840 to them, associate with them. It became a different environment. Misredacted. Detective, 184 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:20,039 I'm going to ask you to take the microphone and 185 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,039 try to put it right under where your mouth would 186 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,840 be when you're reading. Because you're looking down, you're moving 187 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,720 your mouth away from the microphone. Thank you. Picking back 188 00:11:27,799 --> 00:11:31,679 up at page ten, line twenty. Question you talked about 189 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,080 some of the rules that were placed changing. Were there 190 00:11:35,159 --> 00:11:38,519 any rules changes about the eye contact once Maxwell began 191 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:42,679 staying at the Palm Beach House. Answer yes, redacted, wasn't 192 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,519 allowed to make eye contact with Epstein and others. Misredacted. 193 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,000 We're going to jump now to page eleven, line six misredacted, 194 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,919 shifting gears. I want to talk to you about someone 195 00:11:53,919 --> 00:11:57,639 else that you interviewed during this investigation. During the course 196 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,840 of this investigation, have you participated in interviews with an 197 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:06,039 individual name redacted? Answer yes. Question, so for these purposes, 198 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:10,440 I'm going to refer to her as redacted. Is that okay? Answer? Yes? 199 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,960 Question How many times have you interviewed redacted? Answer approximately 200 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,080 five times. Question. If you could please just page through 201 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,559 the next two slides in front of you, are these 202 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:25,519 photographs of redacted? Answer yes. Question is it you're understanding 203 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:29,159 that these photographs depict redacted from approximately ages thirteen to 204 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,960 approximately seventeen? Answer yes, it does. Question, Okay, let's take 205 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,120 a look at some of those photographs. I'm going to 206 00:12:36,159 --> 00:12:40,759 publish the next slide. Is Redacted's date of birth? Redacted? Answer? Yes? 207 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,080 Question are these two photographs of redacted? Answer yes they are. 208 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,519 Question if you could turn to the second slide of photographs, 209 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:53,559 are these also photographs of redacted? Answer yes. Question based 210 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,759 on your participation in this investigation and your interviews with redacted, 211 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,279 where was she living when she was approximately for teen 212 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,840 years old? Answer? She was living in Palm Beach, Florida. 213 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,039 Question who was she living with when she was fourteen? 214 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:11,279 Answer her mother and siblings. Question what was her whole 215 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,840 life like at that point? Answer? At the time, her 216 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,159 father had passed away the year prior, so the family 217 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,200 was struggling financially and having some difficulties. Question what did 218 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,039 her father do before passed away? What was the profession? 219 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,799 Answer he was involved in redacted and redacted? Question was 220 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,240 redacted involved in redacted? Answer? Yes, she was. Question were 221 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,919 her siblings? Answer yes? Question what kind of redacted were 222 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:39,559 they involved in answer singing she was a singer. Question 223 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:44,159 like what kind of singer? Answer opera. All right, folks, 224 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,279 we're gonna wrap up the first episode right here, and 225 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,720 in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we 226 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:51,399 left off. All of the information that goes with this 227 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,159 episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, 228 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,600 and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In 229 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,679 this so, we're going to pick up where we left 230 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:06,399 off with the NYPD detective and the Glen Maxwell Grand 231 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,720 Jerry testimony. Question in the summer of nineteen ninety four, 232 00:14:10,919 --> 00:14:14,720 how old was redacted? Answer? She was thirteen going on fourteen. 233 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,600 Question you testified earlier that her birthday was in redacted? 234 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:23,039 So did she turn fourteen in redacted? Answer? Yes. Question 235 00:14:23,639 --> 00:14:26,159 What did she do that summer? Answer she attended an 236 00:14:26,279 --> 00:14:30,039 arts camp at Interlocan Center for the Arts. Question and 237 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,480 his Interlokan Summer Arts program located in Michigan. Answer yes. 238 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,879 Question did redacted meet Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell that summer? Answer? 239 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,279 Yes she did. Question did she meet them at the 240 00:14:42,279 --> 00:14:45,720 summer camp? Answer yes. Question what did she tell you 241 00:14:45,799 --> 00:14:48,480 about that? Answer? She said that she was sitting at 242 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,480 a picnic table with friends. When Epstein and Maxwell walked by. 243 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,519 They stopped to talk to her, engage her in conversation, 244 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,480 asked her if she liked her classes her teachers. During 245 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,279 that conversation, she found out that she was also from 246 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,039 Palm Beach and that he said he gives scholarships to students. 247 00:15:06,679 --> 00:15:09,879 Question how did they leave the conversation? Was there any 248 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,840 contact information exchanged? Answer? They asked for a redacted's phone number. 249 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:17,320 Question as part of your investigation, have you attempted to 250 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,720 gather records to corroborate that redacted Maxwell and Epstein we're 251 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,000 all at the summer camp that summer? Answer yes. Question 252 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,559 If you could turn to the next slide, please, have 253 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:30,399 you obtained records from Interlocan for the summer of nineteen 254 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,120 ninety four? Answer yes, question and what are we looking 255 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:37,720 at on this slide? Answer? This shows who some of 256 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:40,840 the individuals that were there were present for that camp 257 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,279 in ninety four on here is redacted, redacted and redacted. 258 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:48,879 Question and have you investigated whether Maxwell and Epstein were 259 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:52,879 located also at Interlochan that summer of ninety four as 260 00:15:52,919 --> 00:15:57,360 redacted described? Answer yes, question, based on your review of 261 00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:01,120 records from Interlocan. What is your under standing of Epstein's 262 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,360 relationship with Interlogan? Answer I understanding was that he was 263 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,399 a donor to the school. Question did he make any 264 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:12,120 substantial donations? Answer yes he did. Question did he donate 265 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:14,840 a lodge to the camp in the summer of ninety four? 266 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,960 Answer yes, he did. Question did he have a long 267 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,879 standing relationship as a donor to Interlogan? Answer yes. Question 268 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:25,639 turning to the next slide, is this an excerpt of 269 00:16:25,679 --> 00:16:29,879 a letter from Interlogan to Epstein? Answer yes it is. 270 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,120 And does this letter thank Epstein for donating a scholarship lodge? 271 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,159 Answer yes. Question does it invite Epstein to visit in 272 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,000 August of ninety four? Answer yes. Question in nineteen ninety four, 273 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,360 did Jeffrey Epstein have a private jet? Answer yes he did. 274 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,840 Question have you obtained the flight logs for that jet? 275 00:16:50,159 --> 00:16:53,960 Answer yes. Question do those logs include passenger lists and 276 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,679 the airport code for the airports the plane flew into 277 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:01,200 and out of? Answer yes. Question Turning to the next slide, 278 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:04,160 is this a page of the flight logs that you reviewed? 279 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:08,119 Answer yes. Question and on this excerpt of the flight 280 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,759 logs where the red arrow is Is that a log 281 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:14,440 entry showing in August eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, flight to 282 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,119 an airport with the airport code TBC. Answer yes. Question 283 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,599 is TBC the airport code for Cherry Capitol Airport in 284 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:27,240 Traverse City, Michigan? Answer yes, it is. Question about how 285 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,720 far is it from the airport to inter lookin by car? 286 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,039 Answer about twenty five minutes, give or take. Question and 287 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,720 who are listed passengers on this flight? Answer Jeffrey Epstein 288 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:43,720 redacted pH and redacted pH. Question turning to the next slide, 289 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,279 is it the same excerpt with just a different arrow? 290 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:50,160 Answer yes. Question okay, so a few lines down. Is 291 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,200 there a flight out of Traverse City just two days 292 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:58,599 later on August twentieth, nineteen ninety four? Answer yes. Question 293 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:01,039 And do the passengers list did in the flight out 294 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:04,440 of Traverse City include the initials GM? Answer yes they do. 295 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,680 Question are those Glenn Maxwell's initials? Answer yes. Question have 296 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:13,119 you obtained any records from Interlochan to indicate that Maxwell 297 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:17,960 was at Interlochan in ninety four? Answer yes. Question if 298 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,319 we could turn to the next slide, can you explain 299 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,880 for the grand jury what we're looking at on this slide? Answer? 300 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:27,200 This was a letter from Interlochan explaining addressed to Maxwell, 301 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,359 telling her that they had found an envelope in the 302 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,519 lodge that they had been staying. Question, all right, we 303 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:36,000 were talking a few minutes ago about how Redacted described 304 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:38,400 meeting Maxwell and Epstein at the summer camp, and you 305 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,319 testified that she provided them with her phone number. Did 306 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,960 Redacted explain to you whether or not she had any 307 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,720 contact with Epstein or Maxwell after she returned home to 308 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,920 Palm Beach? Answer yes, Question when was the next time 309 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,279 that happened? Answer? Shortly after? Answer? She was invited to 310 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:59,039 his house, So her and her mother went to visit 311 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:02,759 Epstein's house. Question what did redacta tell you about that 312 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,839 visit to Epstein's house with her mother? Answer? She said 313 00:19:05,839 --> 00:19:08,640 it was Wait can you rephrase that? Answer of course? 314 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,039 Did redacted go to the house by herself or with 315 00:19:11,079 --> 00:19:15,079 her mother? Answer with her mother? Question okay, when they 316 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,559 went to the house, what did they do there? Answer? 317 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,480 They had tea? Question Who was there when they had 318 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,039 tea at the house? Answer Epstein and Maxwell? Question what 319 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:27,359 did they discuss as they had tea? Question? They just 320 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,000 talked about her life and you know what she wanted 321 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,079 to do. Question did Epstein make any offers? Answer he 322 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,640 said that he gives scholarships, he likes to mentor people. 323 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,920 How did Redacted's mother react when Epstein said this? Answer 324 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,920 she was happy for her daughter and oftentimes referred to 325 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,240 Epstein as Redacted as godfather. Question after that occasion, when 326 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:51,880 she went over to the house thereafter? Did Redacted subsequently 327 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:56,039 begin regularly spending time with Maxwell and Epstein at Epstein's 328 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:00,920 house in Palm Beach? Answer yes. Question did that start 329 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:05,519 when she was approximately aged fourteen? Answer yes? Question did 330 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:09,160 it continue until she was about age seventeen? Answer yes 331 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,079 it did. Question and during those years does she regularly 332 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,000 go over to Epstein's house in Palm Beach and spend 333 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:20,799 time with Maxwell and Epstein? Answer yes. Question What happened 334 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,759 in the summer of ninety seven when Redacted with seventeen 335 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,960 about to turn eighteen? Answer she moved to New York City? Answer? 336 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,559 And why did she move to New York City? Answer? 337 00:20:32,759 --> 00:20:35,960 She wanted to pursue a career in acting and modeling. Question. 338 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:38,279 We'll talk about that in a moment, but for now, 339 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,599 I want to focus on the years you talked about 340 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:43,400 in Palm Beach from the age of fourteen to seventeen, 341 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:47,559 when redacted would regularly go to Epstein's house in the beginning, 342 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:49,519 in the first few months when she went there, what 343 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,400 kind of things did she do when she would visit 344 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,440 the house when Maxwell and Epstein were there? Answered that 345 00:20:55,519 --> 00:20:57,920 hang out by the pool. He they would take her 346 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,759 to the movies, take her shopping. She'd discribe that behavior 347 00:21:00,839 --> 00:21:04,519 is grooming. Question when you say grooming, did she explain 348 00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:07,400 what she meant by that answer? She meant that they 349 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,519 were building a relationship with her, giving her things, taking 350 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:13,519 her places. And then usually when the grooming happens and 351 00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:16,319 offender will once they gain the trust, they will make 352 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,720 their relationship turn sexual. Question, Now you testify just a 353 00:21:20,759 --> 00:21:24,000 moment ago that described to you that you felt at 354 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,359 this time period they were grooming or is that right? Answer? Yes? 355 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,640 Question is that something that she realized at the time 356 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,680 when she was fourteen or fifteen or is that something 357 00:21:33,839 --> 00:21:37,400 that she's described to you now? Answer, something she's described now, 358 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,559 she didn't realize it at the time. Question. So we'll 359 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:42,799 talk a little bit more about grooming in a moment, 360 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,599 but just to give context, are you familiar with the 361 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,480 term grooming based on your experience investigating crimes involving sexual 362 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:54,640 exploitation of minors. Answer yes, question generally speaking, you were 363 00:21:54,759 --> 00:21:56,599 touching on this a moment ago, but if you could 364 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,279 just explain it in full, what is grooming? Answer? Rooming 365 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,640 is when someone builds a relationship with a child, they 366 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,440 will find a vulnerability or a need and then work 367 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,839 on getting that child's trust and then oftentimes gaining a 368 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680 parent's trust. Once they have that trust, they show it 369 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,400 in ways that they care about them, like give them 370 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,519 gifts and promises, and then once that's established, they then 371 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:23,680 turn the relationship sexual, oftentimes making sexual comments and normalizing behavior. 372 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,519 Question Now, during these visits that you've been describing that 373 00:22:27,599 --> 00:22:30,680 Redacted told you about, did Redacted say whether Epstein ever 374 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,319 gave her anything? Answer? Yes, she did. Question what did 375 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,519 he give her? Answer? He gave her cash. Sometimes he'd 376 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,400 tell her to give her cash to her mom because 377 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,839 he knew they needed it. He paid for her voice 378 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,400 lessons as well. Question Now, you are describing how redacted 379 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,079 has characterized these visits. Now, but based on your conversations 380 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,119 with her at the time, did she feel that these 381 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,759 visits were strange at all? Answer? She thought they were strange. 382 00:22:56,039 --> 00:22:59,839 But Maxwell normalized it for her. She was like a 383 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,640 cool older sister and made comments like this is what 384 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,599 grown ups do. Question you use the phrase cool older sister? 385 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,519 Is that the phrase that Redacted us to describe how 386 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:12,279 she felt about Maxwell at the time, and that Maxwell 387 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,359 was like answer, yes, those are her words. Question Did 388 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,039 there come a time these visits when Redacted saw Maxwell 389 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,440 topless by the pool Answer yes, question, What did she 390 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,359 tell you about that? Answer? She was a little taken aback, 391 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,000 but Maxwell just acted normal. Question did Redacted tell you 392 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,279 about an incident several months into the arrangement when she 393 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,400 was alone with Epstein in the pool house? Answer yes, question. 394 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,319 And when they were alone together, did Epstein ask Redacted 395 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,359 what she wanted to do with her life? Answer? He did. 396 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,319 Question What did she say? Answer? She said she wanted 397 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,559 to be an actress and a model. Question How did 398 00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:54,880 Epstein respond? Answer? He told her that he was best 399 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,880 friends with the owner of Victoria's Secret told her that 400 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,640 she would have to have photographs taken and that she 401 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,000 had to be comfortable in her underwear and not to 402 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:06,240 be approved, And she was asked what she meant by that. 403 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:10,039 He pulled her into his lap and masturbated. Question what 404 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,440 was her reaction? Answer she felt paralyzed, she froze. Question 405 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,079 after this incident, did Redacted's encounters with Epstein begin to 406 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:24,039 include sexual contact? Answer yes? Question over time, did the 407 00:24:24,079 --> 00:24:28,680 sexual abuse escalate? Answer it did. Question from what she's 408 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,000 described to you, did the abuse include Epstein digitally penetrating Redacted? 409 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,440 Answer yes? Question Did it include Epstein using a vibrator honor? 410 00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:41,720 Answer yes. Question Did she describe to you that there 411 00:24:41,759 --> 00:24:44,799 were times when Epstein would direct Redacted to massaguen while 412 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,680 he masturbated? Answer yes. Question did Redacted explain to you 413 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:52,599 what her memories are like of the abuse? Answer yes. 414 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Question what did she say about that? Answer? She said 415 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,400 that it happened so often that it all kind of 416 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,720 it all runs together. For that it's hard to separate 417 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,720 out some of the different instances of abuse. All right, 418 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,359 we're going to wrap up right here and in the 419 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,920 next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. 420 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,839 All of the information that goes with this episode can 421 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,039 be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and 422 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,480 welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, 423 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:23,079 we're going to pick up where we left off with 424 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:28,559 the NYPD detective giving testimony to the grand jury about 425 00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:33,519 Glenn Maxwell. Question you are describing how redacted explained to 426 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:36,359 you that the abuse began. Did that occur based on 427 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,960 what Redacted told you within the first year after she 428 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:43,920 met Epstein and Maxwell? Answer yes. Question, Now, did redacted 429 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,200 also describe to you think that once the abuse started, 430 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,880 Epstein would also bring her into his massage room in 431 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,440 his house. Answer yes, question and were there times where 432 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,920 he did this where there were other women present, including Maxwell? 433 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,839 Answer yes yes. Question was Redacted abused during those episodes? Answer? Yes, 434 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,079 she was. And you notice they say other women besides 435 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,960 Maxwell and including Maxwell. Well that's interesting. How about arresting 436 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,720 some of those women too. Question during these group encounters, 437 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,039 what were redacted in the adult women wearing? Answer? They 438 00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:24,440 were usually just wearing their underwear. Question Once they were 439 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,720 all in the massage room, how would these episodes generally start. Answer? 440 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,319 They would generally start with one of the girls massaging Epstein. 441 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,279 Redacted was usually massaging his feet. Maxwell was kind of 442 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,039 teasing the other girls. She'd grab the girl's breasts, and 443 00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:42,200 she would direct the girls on what to do. Question 444 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,119 when these episodes would start in general, was Epstein generally 445 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,079 lying face down on the massage table. Answer yes. Question 446 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,960 what would happen as things progress, generally speaking from what 447 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:56,599 she described to you. Answer When Epstein would decide he 448 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,039 was kind of done with the regular massage, he would 449 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,440 turn over on his back, and he'd grab whichever girl 450 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,079 he wanted to either touch him or whatever girl he 451 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,839 wanted to touch. Question did these episodes include sex acts 452 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,599 that over time in various instances included Epstein masturbating, Epstein, 453 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,440 receiving oral sex, and Epstein engaging in intercourse. Answer yes, 454 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:21,440 Question you are describing for a moment, what Redacted told 455 00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:25,319 you about Maxwell's role during these group encounters. Would Maxwell 456 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,359 sometimes guide the women and give instructions about what to do? 457 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:33,160 Answer yes, she would question what would Redacted typically do 458 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,759 during these episodes? Answer she would try not to look 459 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,480 at Maxwell because she gave off that sister vibe, so 460 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,200 it felt weird for She would try to be invisible 461 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,519 in the room so they would ignore her as much 462 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:49,720 as possible. Question in the beginning, when Redacted's approximately fourteen 463 00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:53,839 or fifteen, which he generally begin by just massaging Epstein's feet. 464 00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:58,039 Answer yes, Question is that something that she was told 465 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:02,319 to do. Answer yes. Question did she you mentioned that 466 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,599 she tried to be invisible? Was I believe that was 467 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,039 your testimony? Answer yes. Question and over time, has she 468 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,240 described to you that over time she believed she became 469 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,640 more involved in the sexual activity, which varied in each encounter. 470 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,119 Answer yes. Question were there are times, let me rephrase 471 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,400 that you touched on this for a moment, but just 472 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,079 to be clear, had it Redacted describe Maxwell's attitude during 473 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,960 these incidents? Answer it was very casual. She acted like 474 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:34,240 this was normal, shed give off that vibe to her 475 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,400 and yeah. Question did that make her feel more comfortable 476 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:41,599 with what was happening? Answer it did. Question was Redacted 477 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,279 sometimes fully nude during the episodes? Answer yes. Question And 478 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,359 during these episodes, did the abuse include Epstein touching Redacted's breasts? 479 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,119 Answer yes. Question did it include directing Redacted to touch 480 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:02,759 Epstein's genitals? Answer yes. Question. Beginning when Redacted's approximately fourteen, 481 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440 does she begin to travel with Epstein and Maxwell to 482 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:09,480 New York City on occasion? Answer yes, she did. Question 483 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,680 was that to the property you testified about earlier, the 484 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,519 townhouse on the Upper East Side? Answer yes. Question when 485 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:20,240 Redacted traveled to the New York City. Did she stay 486 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,720 in Epstein's townhouse in New York City? Answer yes, she did. 487 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,079 Question did she recall that Maxwell and Epstein took her 488 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:29,920 shopping on one of her early trips to New York City? 489 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Answer yes. Did she remember them buying her anything? Answer 490 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,920 she recalled them buying her white cotton underwear. Her description 491 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,000 was that they were like little girls underwear. Question from 492 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,599 ages fourteen to seventeen, did Epstein ask Redacted to periodically 493 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,559 fly to New York for a weekend or weekends at 494 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,799 the townhouse in New York Answer I'm sorry, say that again. 495 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,640 Question you testified that she began traveling to New York 496 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,119 City at age fourteen. Did she then periodically travel to 497 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,200 New York City in a similar manner from ages fourteen 498 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,160 to seventeen? Answer yes. Question were there times when she 499 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,240 traveled on those trips when she flew on Epstein's private jet? 500 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,960 Answer yes. Question did she also fly sometimes commercially? Answer 501 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:18,720 yes she did. Question was Maxwell sometimes present on the 502 00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:23,160 trips to New York? Answer yes. Question you testified earlier 503 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,319 that Redacted was sexually abused in Palm Beach. Did she 504 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,519 describe to you that she was also sexually abused on 505 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:33,039 the trips to New York. Answer yes she did. Question 506 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:37,039 did Maxwell encourage Redacted to go on these trips? Answer yes? 507 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,319 Question what is redacted? What did Redact to tell you 508 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,000 about her memory of how these trips were arranged? Answer? 509 00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:47,200 She recalled that Maxwell was usually the one to schedule 510 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,160 her flights. If she was flying commercially, she would schedule 511 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,359 the flights, sometimes calling her mother to do the scheduling. 512 00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:58,880 Question was that the general impression of how they were arranged? 513 00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:01,960 Answer yes. Question in addition to the trips to New 514 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,599 York City you just described, did Redacted also remember traveling 515 00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:10,359 at least once in Epstein's ranch in New Mexico? Answer 516 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200 yes she did. Question does she remember whether or not 517 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:16,319 she was sexually abused in New Mexico? Answer she couldn't recall. 518 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,839 Question in general, how would it Adacted get to the 519 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,519 airport in Florida when she would fly on Epstein's jet? 520 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,680 What did she describe to you? Answer? Usually a driver, 521 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,000 one of Epstein's drivers would pick her up from her 522 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,240 house and take her to the airport. Question now, you 523 00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:36,119 testified earlier that you reviewed flight records from Epstein's private jet. 524 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,079 Is that correct? Answer yes. Question and have you reviewed 525 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:43,079 records from the nineties to see whether there's a person 526 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,640 name or adacted on the records? Answer yes. Question turning 527 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,799 to the next slide, is this an excerpt from those records? 528 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,119 Answer yes it is. Question and does the red arrow 529 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,839 point two? Does the red arrow point to November eleventh, 530 00:31:57,119 --> 00:32:00,920 nineteen ninety six flight? Answer yes it does. Question and 531 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:04,200 does this say does this flight log reflect that it 532 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:07,119 was a flight from Palm Beach to Teeterborough, New Jersey? 533 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:11,200 Answer yes. Question is there a private airfield in Teeterborough, 534 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,640 New Jersey? Answer yes, there is. Question what's it called? 535 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:19,599 Answer Teeterborough Airport? Question are the passengers listed on this 536 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:24,759 entry jet? Answer yes? Question do the entries also include 537 00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:30,480 redacted plus friend Jeff shamps pH family redacted, redacted, redacted 538 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,079 and redacted? Answer yes. Question was redacted based on your 539 00:32:35,079 --> 00:32:37,680 awareness of redacted's date of birth? And the date of 540 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,480 this flight was redacted sixteen the date of this flight? 541 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:46,200 Answer yes, she was. Question turning to the next slide. 542 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,359 You testified earlier about Teeterborough Airport. What are we looking 543 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,279 at on this slide? Answer? This is direction from Teterborough 544 00:32:54,319 --> 00:32:58,599 Airport to Epstein's residence here in Manhattan. Question, So, based 545 00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,759 on your review of this map, if someone were to 546 00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:05,000 fly into Teterborough and travel to New York City, for 547 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,319 the most natural route to be traveled to Teeterborough Airport 548 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,200 and crossing it to New York through Manhattan. Answer yes, 549 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,279 question turning to the next slide. This is also an 550 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,920 excerpt from the flight records that you reviewed? Answer yes 551 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,519 it is. Question and does this show May ninth, nineteen 552 00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:25,799 ninety seven flight from Teterborough to Santa Fe, New Mexico. 553 00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:30,599 Answer yes it does. Question and are the passengers listed 554 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,799 on this flight je GM and redacted? Answer yes. Question 555 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,039 based on your knowledge of redacted's birthdate and the date 556 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:41,920 of this flight, would redacted have been sixteen on the 557 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,359 day of this flight? Answer yes, you would have been. 558 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,720 Question turning to the next flight slide. Is this also 559 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,880 an excerpt from the flight records? Answer yes? Question and 560 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,319 does the red arrow point to a flight entry on 561 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:59,440 May third, nineteen ninety eight? Answer yes it does. Question 562 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,559 based on the airport codes, did this reflect that there 563 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,240 is a flight on that date from Palm Beach, Florida 564 00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:09,559 to Teterborough, New Jersey. Answer yes. Question and are the 565 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:13,960 passengers listed on this log je gm E t redacted, 566 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,719 Glenn redacted, redacted, Manny redacted? Answer yes. Question based on 567 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,480 your knowledge of redacted's birthday and the date of this flight, 568 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:29,800 would a redacted have been seventeen on this date? Answer yes? Question, 569 00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:32,599 Am I correct that you testified earlier that in addition 570 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,320 to sometimes flying on Epstein's private jet, she also traveled 571 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,400 on commercial airlines? Is that right? Answer? Yes, it is. 572 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,599 Question based on your review of these flight logs, does 573 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,639 every flight entry list the name of every single passenger? 574 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,880 Or are there sometimes when a passenger is noted? Female? Answer? 575 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,880 There's times where passengers are just noted. Female. Question. I'm 576 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,559 going to talk to you about two examples of that. 577 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,800 Turning ahead two slides, look at slide eighteen. Does this 578 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,199 reflect the January third, nineteen ninety five flight where the 579 00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:09,440 flight log says Jaye two females. Answer yes, it does. 580 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,159 Question and do the two entries below also just list 581 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:18,800 females next to the initials Jaye answer yes they do. Question. 582 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,880 Turning to the next slide, slide nineteen, is this another 583 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,480 example of an entry like that? Focusing on the entry 584 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:30,639 on February twelfth, nineteen ninety five, answer yes. Question does 585 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:34,320 that entry also say female? Answer yes, it does. Question. 586 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,320 Now you testified that Redacted sometimes flew on commercial airlines 587 00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,280 and that the arrangements for her travel were made for 588 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,800 her to fly commercially for these trips. Is that right? 589 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,840 Answer yes. Question have you been able to obtain commercial 590 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,960 flight records? Answer? We tried, We were not able to 591 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,840 obtain those records. Question why is that the airlines don't 592 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,679 keep records past a certain year? Question? Does Redacted recall 593 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,599 group sexualized messages involving Epstein and Maxwell in both the 594 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:07,559 New York and Florida residents during the time period we've 595 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:12,039 been talking about? Answer yes. Question you testified earlier about 596 00:36:12,039 --> 00:36:14,960 the time that Maxwell and Epstein would spend together and 597 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,360 the activities that they were involved in during this time period. 598 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,880 Did Redacted have occasions to talk with Maxwell? Answer? I'm sorry, 599 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,199 Can you ask the question again? Question during the beginning 600 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,519 when she was fourteen, when she was spending time with 601 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,440 Epstein and Maxwell, and through the years, did Redacted often 602 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,079 have conversations with Maxwell about her life? Answer yes. Question 603 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:41,360 did they talk about that often? Answer they did? Question 604 00:36:41,639 --> 00:36:45,480 did Maxwell ask about her family, her classes, and other 605 00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:50,000 aspects of her life answer, Yes she did. Question did 606 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,519 she go to school there in New York City her 607 00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,760 senior year answer, yes she did. Question what school did 608 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,599 she go to she went or redacted question? What is 609 00:36:59,679 --> 00:37:03,239 the answer? They cater to individuals who want to pursue 610 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,360 a career in the arts. Question have you reviewed records 611 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,039 from the redacted answer? Yes? All right, we're gonna wrap 612 00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:12,559 up right here, and in the next episode, we're gonna 613 00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:15,199 pick up where we left off. All of the information 614 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,800 that goes with this episode can be found in the 615 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,719 description box.