Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. About a week ago or so, we took
a look at some grand jury documents from the sdn
Y that had to do with Glen Maxwell. Well, in
this episode, we're going to begin taking a look at
more grand jury documents, this time from a different special
agent that was involved in the investigation into Glenn Maxwell.
And as we go over this document, the format will
be the same format that we use all the time.
I'll say question, and that will mean the person asking
the question is speaking obviously, and then answer is from
the witness. And unfortunately there aren't any names here. Everything
seems to be redacted when it comes to information. So
with that said, let's get started. Redacted called as a witness,
having been duly sworn by the four person of the
grand jury, was examined and testified as follows by misredacted
question Good morning answer, good morning question. Would you please
state your name for the record? Answer? Detective redacted? Question
Detective redacted, where do you work? Answer? New York City
Police Department? Question. I'm going to ask you to please
keep your voice up and speak as slowly as you
can redacted and can you pull a microphone towards you
so that everyone in this big room can hear you.
Thank you. Where do you work answer New York City
Police Department? Question and what is your title there? Answer detective?
Question How long have you been with the NYPD? Answer
about fifteen years. Question Are you currently part of a
federal task force? Answer yes? Question what task force? Answer
the Child Exploitation and Human Trafficking Task Force with the FBI.
Question What is your title on the task force? Answer
task force officer? Question How long have you been a
task force officer with the FBI? Answer since about twenty seventeen.
Question generally, what are your duties and responsibilities on the
task force? Answer? We address cases of child sex trafficking,
adult sex trafficking, child pornography, and child enticement. Question Over
the last approximately three years, have you been involved in
an investigation into Jeffrey Epstein and his associates, including an
individual name Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes. Question During your investigation,
have you spoken with other people, including other law enforcement officers?
Answer yes. Question have you reviewed reports and documents prepared
by others and transcripts of testimony in other court and
grand jury proceedings? Answer yes, question, will your testimony be
based in part on those conversations and documents that you
have reviewed? Answer yes, question, ladies and gentlemen, Some of
the testimony you are going to hear from Detective redacted
will include hearsay. That means he is not going to
testify only from his own personal observation. He will also
be testifying about what other people have told him and
what he has read in documents. Hearsay evidence, as you know,
is admissible and proper in these proceedings, and you are
permitted to rely on it in determining whether there is
probable cause to indict the defendant. But if you want
to hear testimony from other witnesses or see particular documents,
please let me know and I will make my best
effort to bring those before you. Misredacted. Question Detective over
the course of your investigation, as another member of the
FBI task force you're a part of, testified before a
different grand jury about the facts of this case. Answer yes. Question,
I'd like to ask you to please pick up what
should be in front of you and mark does grand
Jury Exhibit three? Do you recognize that? Answer yes, question.
Is this a document of fair and accurate transcript of
testimony given by Special Agent redacted before a different grand
jury on June twenty ninth, twenty twenty, and that was
the grand jury documents we looked at previously, just so
everybody's up to date. Answer yes, question I'd like to
read back to you a portion of this transcript. We
will start at page two, line eighteen. I will read
the questions you read the answers. Question where do you
currently work? Answer the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Question what
is your title? Answer special agent? Question how long have
you worked as a special agent? Answer about three years now.
Question where are you currently assigned? Answer? I work on
the Violent Crimes Against Children's Squad? Question what are your
duties and responsibilities as a special agent on the squad? Answer?
We investigate crimes that have to do with children, sexual abuse,
material sextortion, exploitation, and entic spinal miners, sex trafficking misredacted.
You can stop there. I'll now jump to page four,
line thirteen. Question have you participated in an investigation of
Glenn Maxwell? Answer yes, I have. Question have you spoken
to other people, including other law enforcement officers, about this investigation?
Answer yes? Question have you reviewed reports? And documents prepared
by others regarding the case. Answer yes. Question is your
testimony today based in part on those conversations with other
law enforcement officers and documents that you have reviewed? Answer yes,
question misredacted stepping out of the read back at this point,
the AUSA provided the same hearsay instruction to the grand
jury at that time as I just provided to you all,
So that instruction applies with respect to Redacted's testimony the
same way it applies to Detective Redacted's testimony. We can
now go down to page fifteen, line seventeen by misredacted.
Question redacted, We've placed on the desk in front of
you a PowerPoint that is a grand jury exhibit to
which we're entering into the record. Do you recognize this?
Answer yes? Question what is it? Answer? It's a PowerPoint
presentation to assist in testifying today. Question did you participate
in preparing this exhibit in connection with your testimony today? Answer? Yes,
I did. Question if you could please turn to the
first slide. Who are the individuals depicted in the first slide? Answer?
The picture on the left is Glenn Maxwell and the
picture on the right is Jeffrey Epstein with Glenn Maxwell. Question,
based on your participation in this investigation and your review
of public source material, have Maxwell and Epstein been photographed
together many times over the years? Answer yes, question based
on your participation is this investigation and your review of
public material. Where is Maxwell from? Answer and Maxwell was
born in France. She grew up in the United Kingdom
and was educated in Oxford and is from a very
wealthy family. Question Is she a citizen of France, the
United Kingdom, and the United States? Answer yes. Question how
old is she currently? Answer fifty eight? Question As the
FBI investigated Maxwell and Epstein's conduct with during the nineties,
answer yes. Question Generally speaking, what have you learned about
the relationship between Maxwell and Epstein during the nineties? Answer
Epstein and Maxwell had a romantic relationship, and she also
worked for him managing his homes, hiring and firing individuals.
Question during that time period, was she one of his
closest associates? Answer yes. Question during the course of the investigation,
have you learned where Epstein maintained properties in the nineties?
Answer yes. Question where did he maintain his properties? Answer
New York, Palm Beach, and New Mexico. Turning to the
next slide. Did he maintain an address in Manhattan located
at nine East seventy first Street. Answer yes. Question does
the slide fairly and accurately depict the residence? Answer yes.
Question can you please describe that property for the grand jury?
Answer It's a seventh story home. It's located near Central Park,
and it's reportedly the largest residence in Manhattan. Question, based
on your participation in this investigation, did that house include
a room that was used as a massage room? Answer? Yes,
it did. Question all right, We'll talk more about that later,
but for now, moving on to the other properties. Did
he maintain an address in Palm Beach, Florida, located at
three p fifty eight L Brill Way. Answer yes. Question
turning to the next slide, does this slide fairly and
accurately depict the residence? Answer? Yes it does. Question could
you please describe the property for the grand jury? Answer
It's a waterfront estate. It has an in ground pool
and a detached dwelling or poolhouse on the property as well. Question,
aside from your participation in the investigation, your review of
other material, did that house include a room that was
used as a massage room? Answer yes. Question turning to
the next property. Did Epstein also on a ranch in
New Mexico? Answer yes he did. Question and turning to
the next slide, Well, where was the property located forty
nine Zoro Ranch in Stanley, New Mexico. Answer yes. Question
looking at the photograph on this slide, does it accurately
depict that property? Answer yes, it does. Question, and we've
been talking about the properties that Epstein owned during this
time period. Did he also own a private jet? Answer yes.
Question is it fair to say that he was a
multi millionaire during this time period? Answer yes. Question during
the nineteen nineties, did Epstein have an employee adacted who
ran his house in Palm Beach? Answer yes, he did.
Question what was his job? Answer? His job was making
sure that everything in that house ran smoothly. He referred.
He described that Epstein liked to have his house run
like a five star hotel and that everything had to
be in its proper place, so he was responsible for
managing that question. Have you interviewed or redacted? Answer yes,
question how many times? Answer twice? Question And is the
information you're about to provide based on your interviews with redacted?
Answer o yes, question did Redacted begin working for Epstein
in the early nineties? Answer yes, he did. Question at
that time Redacted came to work for Epstein and Palm Beach.
Was Epstein dating Glenne Maxwell at that point? Answer no,
not at that time. Question was it a few years
before Epstein began dating Maxwell after Redacted started working there?
Answer yes, question misredacted. I'm going to step out of
the read back. It sounds like the grand jurors are
having difficulty hearing or are having difficulty hearing me. The
witness are both grand juror the witness misredacted. So, Detective,
I'm going to ask you to please keep your voice up.
Try to shout into the microphone. Can you pull the
microphone toward you, lift it up and pull it all
the way up to you. Thank you. We left off
reading at page ten, line twelve by misredacted. Question from
what redacted told you? How did redacted work change once
Maxwell arrived on the scene. Sir Redacted described Epstein as
being of more pleasant to work with prior to Maxwell
coming into the picture. Once she came into the picture,
he said things became more secretive. He wasn't allowed to
be in the room with guests, wasn't allowed to talk
to them, associate with them. It became a different environment. Misredacted. Detective,
I'm going to ask you to take the microphone and
try to put it right under where your mouth would
be when you're reading. Because you're looking down, you're moving
your mouth away from the microphone. Thank you. Picking back
up at page ten, line twenty. Question you talked about
some of the rules that were placed changing. Were there
any rules changes about the eye contact once Maxwell began
staying at the Palm Beach House. Answer yes, redacted, wasn't
allowed to make eye contact with Epstein and others. Misredacted.
We're going to jump now to page eleven, line six misredacted,
shifting gears. I want to talk to you about someone
else that you interviewed during this investigation. During the course
of this investigation, have you participated in interviews with an
individual name redacted? Answer yes. Question, so for these purposes,
I'm going to refer to her as redacted. Is that okay? Answer? Yes?
Question How many times have you interviewed redacted? Answer approximately
five times. Question. If you could please just page through
the next two slides in front of you, are these
photographs of redacted? Answer yes. Question is it you're understanding
that these photographs depict redacted from approximately ages thirteen to
approximately seventeen? Answer yes, it does. Question, Okay, let's take
a look at some of those photographs. I'm going to
publish the next slide. Is Redacted's date of birth? Redacted? Answer? Yes?
Question are these two photographs of redacted? Answer yes they are.
Question if you could turn to the second slide of photographs,
are these also photographs of redacted? Answer yes. Question based
on your participation in this investigation and your interviews with redacted,
where was she living when she was approximately for teen
years old? Answer? She was living in Palm Beach, Florida.
Question who was she living with when she was fourteen?
Answer her mother and siblings. Question what was her whole
life like at that point? Answer? At the time, her
father had passed away the year prior, so the family
was struggling financially and having some difficulties. Question what did
her father do before passed away? What was the profession?
Answer he was involved in redacted and redacted? Question was
redacted involved in redacted? Answer? Yes, she was. Question were
her siblings? Answer yes? Question what kind of redacted were
they involved in answer singing she was a singer. Question
like what kind of singer? Answer opera. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up the first episode right here, and
in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we
left off. All of the information that goes with this
episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
this so, we're going to pick up where we left
off with the NYPD detective and the Glen Maxwell Grand
Jerry testimony. Question in the summer of nineteen ninety four,
how old was redacted? Answer? She was thirteen going on fourteen.
Question you testified earlier that her birthday was in redacted?
So did she turn fourteen in redacted? Answer? Yes. Question
What did she do that summer? Answer she attended an
arts camp at Interlocan Center for the Arts. Question and
his Interlokan Summer Arts program located in Michigan. Answer yes.
Question did redacted meet Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell that summer? Answer?
Yes she did. Question did she meet them at the
summer camp? Answer yes. Question what did she tell you
about that? Answer? She said that she was sitting at
a picnic table with friends. When Epstein and Maxwell walked by.
They stopped to talk to her, engage her in conversation,
asked her if she liked her classes her teachers. During
that conversation, she found out that she was also from
Palm Beach and that he said he gives scholarships to students.
Question how did they leave the conversation? Was there any
contact information exchanged? Answer? They asked for a redacted's phone number.
Question as part of your investigation, have you attempted to
gather records to corroborate that redacted Maxwell and Epstein we're
all at the summer camp that summer? Answer yes. Question
If you could turn to the next slide, please, have
you obtained records from Interlocan for the summer of nineteen
ninety four? Answer yes, question and what are we looking
at on this slide? Answer? This shows who some of
the individuals that were there were present for that camp
in ninety four on here is redacted, redacted and redacted.
Question and have you investigated whether Maxwell and Epstein were
located also at Interlochan that summer of ninety four as
redacted described? Answer yes, question, based on your review of
records from Interlocan. What is your under standing of Epstein's
relationship with Interlogan? Answer I understanding was that he was
a donor to the school. Question did he make any
substantial donations? Answer yes he did. Question did he donate
a lodge to the camp in the summer of ninety four?
Answer yes, he did. Question did he have a long
standing relationship as a donor to Interlogan? Answer yes. Question
turning to the next slide, is this an excerpt of
a letter from Interlogan to Epstein? Answer yes it is.
And does this letter thank Epstein for donating a scholarship lodge?
Answer yes. Question does it invite Epstein to visit in
August of ninety four? Answer yes. Question in nineteen ninety four,
did Jeffrey Epstein have a private jet? Answer yes he did.
Question have you obtained the flight logs for that jet?
Answer yes. Question do those logs include passenger lists and
the airport code for the airports the plane flew into
and out of? Answer yes. Question Turning to the next slide,
is this a page of the flight logs that you reviewed?
Answer yes. Question and on this excerpt of the flight
logs where the red arrow is Is that a log
entry showing in August eighteenth, nineteen ninety four, flight to
an airport with the airport code TBC. Answer yes. Question
is TBC the airport code for Cherry Capitol Airport in
Traverse City, Michigan? Answer yes, it is. Question about how
far is it from the airport to inter lookin by car?
Answer about twenty five minutes, give or take. Question and
who are listed passengers on this flight? Answer Jeffrey Epstein
redacted pH and redacted pH. Question turning to the next slide,
is it the same excerpt with just a different arrow?
Answer yes. Question okay, so a few lines down. Is
there a flight out of Traverse City just two days
later on August twentieth, nineteen ninety four? Answer yes. Question
And do the passengers list did in the flight out
of Traverse City include the initials GM? Answer yes they do.
Question are those Glenn Maxwell's initials? Answer yes. Question have
you obtained any records from Interlochan to indicate that Maxwell
was at Interlochan in ninety four? Answer yes. Question if
we could turn to the next slide, can you explain
for the grand jury what we're looking at on this slide? Answer?
This was a letter from Interlochan explaining addressed to Maxwell,
telling her that they had found an envelope in the
lodge that they had been staying. Question, all right, we
were talking a few minutes ago about how Redacted described
meeting Maxwell and Epstein at the summer camp, and you
testified that she provided them with her phone number. Did
Redacted explain to you whether or not she had any
contact with Epstein or Maxwell after she returned home to
Palm Beach? Answer yes, Question when was the next time
that happened? Answer? Shortly after? Answer? She was invited to
his house, So her and her mother went to visit
Epstein's house. Question what did redacta tell you about that
visit to Epstein's house with her mother? Answer? She said
it was Wait can you rephrase that? Answer of course?
Did redacted go to the house by herself or with
her mother? Answer with her mother? Question okay, when they
went to the house, what did they do there? Answer?
They had tea? Question Who was there when they had
tea at the house? Answer Epstein and Maxwell? Question what
did they discuss as they had tea? Question? They just
talked about her life and you know what she wanted
to do. Question did Epstein make any offers? Answer he
said that he gives scholarships, he likes to mentor people.
How did Redacted's mother react when Epstein said this? Answer
she was happy for her daughter and oftentimes referred to
Epstein as Redacted as godfather. Question after that occasion, when
she went over to the house thereafter? Did Redacted subsequently
begin regularly spending time with Maxwell and Epstein at Epstein's
house in Palm Beach? Answer yes. Question did that start
when she was approximately aged fourteen? Answer yes? Question did
it continue until she was about age seventeen? Answer yes
it did. Question and during those years does she regularly
go over to Epstein's house in Palm Beach and spend
time with Maxwell and Epstein? Answer yes. Question What happened
in the summer of ninety seven when Redacted with seventeen
about to turn eighteen? Answer she moved to New York City? Answer?
And why did she move to New York City? Answer?
She wanted to pursue a career in acting and modeling. Question.
We'll talk about that in a moment, but for now,
I want to focus on the years you talked about
in Palm Beach from the age of fourteen to seventeen,
when redacted would regularly go to Epstein's house in the beginning,
in the first few months when she went there, what
kind of things did she do when she would visit
the house when Maxwell and Epstein were there? Answered that
hang out by the pool. He they would take her
to the movies, take her shopping. She'd discribe that behavior
is grooming. Question when you say grooming, did she explain
what she meant by that answer? She meant that they
were building a relationship with her, giving her things, taking
her places. And then usually when the grooming happens and
offender will once they gain the trust, they will make
their relationship turn sexual. Question, Now you testify just a
moment ago that described to you that you felt at
this time period they were grooming or is that right? Answer? Yes?
Question is that something that she realized at the time
when she was fourteen or fifteen or is that something
that she's described to you now? Answer, something she's described now,
she didn't realize it at the time. Question. So we'll
talk a little bit more about grooming in a moment,
but just to give context, are you familiar with the
term grooming based on your experience investigating crimes involving sexual
exploitation of minors. Answer yes, question generally speaking, you were
touching on this a moment ago, but if you could
just explain it in full, what is grooming? Answer? Rooming
is when someone builds a relationship with a child, they
will find a vulnerability or a need and then work
on getting that child's trust and then oftentimes gaining a
parent's trust. Once they have that trust, they show it
in ways that they care about them, like give them
gifts and promises, and then once that's established, they then
turn the relationship sexual, oftentimes making sexual comments and normalizing behavior.
Question Now, during these visits that you've been describing that
Redacted told you about, did Redacted say whether Epstein ever
gave her anything? Answer? Yes, she did. Question what did
he give her? Answer? He gave her cash. Sometimes he'd
tell her to give her cash to her mom because
he knew they needed it. He paid for her voice
lessons as well. Question Now, you are describing how redacted
has characterized these visits. Now, but based on your conversations
with her at the time, did she feel that these
visits were strange at all? Answer? She thought they were strange.
But Maxwell normalized it for her. She was like a
cool older sister and made comments like this is what
grown ups do. Question you use the phrase cool older sister?
Is that the phrase that Redacted us to describe how
she felt about Maxwell at the time, and that Maxwell
was like answer, yes, those are her words. Question Did
there come a time these visits when Redacted saw Maxwell
topless by the pool Answer yes, question, What did she
tell you about that? Answer? She was a little taken aback,
but Maxwell just acted normal. Question did Redacted tell you
about an incident several months into the arrangement when she
was alone with Epstein in the pool house? Answer yes, question.
And when they were alone together, did Epstein ask Redacted
what she wanted to do with her life? Answer? He did.
Question What did she say? Answer? She said she wanted
to be an actress and a model. Question How did
Epstein respond? Answer? He told her that he was best
friends with the owner of Victoria's Secret told her that
she would have to have photographs taken and that she
had to be comfortable in her underwear and not to
be approved, And she was asked what she meant by that.
He pulled her into his lap and masturbated. Question what
was her reaction? Answer she felt paralyzed, she froze. Question
after this incident, did Redacted's encounters with Epstein begin to
include sexual contact? Answer yes? Question over time, did the
sexual abuse escalate? Answer it did. Question from what she's
described to you, did the abuse include Epstein digitally penetrating Redacted?
Answer yes? Question Did it include Epstein using a vibrator honor?
Answer yes. Question Did she describe to you that there
were times when Epstein would direct Redacted to massaguen while
he masturbated? Answer yes. Question did Redacted explain to you
what her memories are like of the abuse? Answer yes.
Question what did she say about that? Answer? She said
that it happened so often that it all kind of
it all runs together. For that it's hard to separate
out some of the different instances of abuse. All right,
we're going to wrap up right here and in the
next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off.
All of the information that goes with this episode can
be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode,
we're going to pick up where we left off with
the NYPD detective giving testimony to the grand jury about
Glenn Maxwell. Question you are describing how redacted explained to
you that the abuse began. Did that occur based on
what Redacted told you within the first year after she
met Epstein and Maxwell? Answer yes. Question, Now, did redacted
also describe to you think that once the abuse started,
Epstein would also bring her into his massage room in
his house. Answer yes, question and were there times where
he did this where there were other women present, including Maxwell?
Answer yes yes. Question was Redacted abused during those episodes? Answer? Yes,
she was. And you notice they say other women besides
Maxwell and including Maxwell. Well that's interesting. How about arresting
some of those women too. Question during these group encounters,
what were redacted in the adult women wearing? Answer? They
were usually just wearing their underwear. Question Once they were
all in the massage room, how would these episodes generally start. Answer?
They would generally start with one of the girls massaging Epstein.
Redacted was usually massaging his feet. Maxwell was kind of
teasing the other girls. She'd grab the girl's breasts, and
she would direct the girls on what to do. Question
when these episodes would start in general, was Epstein generally
lying face down on the massage table. Answer yes. Question
what would happen as things progress, generally speaking from what
she described to you. Answer When Epstein would decide he
was kind of done with the regular massage, he would
turn over on his back, and he'd grab whichever girl
he wanted to either touch him or whatever girl he
wanted to touch. Question did these episodes include sex acts
that over time in various instances included Epstein masturbating, Epstein,
receiving oral sex, and Epstein engaging in intercourse. Answer yes,
Question you are describing for a moment, what Redacted told
you about Maxwell's role during these group encounters. Would Maxwell
sometimes guide the women and give instructions about what to do?
Answer yes, she would question what would Redacted typically do
during these episodes? Answer she would try not to look
at Maxwell because she gave off that sister vibe, so
it felt weird for She would try to be invisible
in the room so they would ignore her as much
as possible. Question in the beginning, when Redacted's approximately fourteen
or fifteen, which he generally begin by just massaging Epstein's feet.
Answer yes, Question is that something that she was told
to do. Answer yes. Question did she you mentioned that
she tried to be invisible? Was I believe that was
your testimony? Answer yes. Question and over time, has she
described to you that over time she believed she became
more involved in the sexual activity, which varied in each encounter.
Answer yes. Question were there are times, let me rephrase
that you touched on this for a moment, but just
to be clear, had it Redacted describe Maxwell's attitude during
these incidents? Answer it was very casual. She acted like
this was normal, shed give off that vibe to her
and yeah. Question did that make her feel more comfortable
with what was happening? Answer it did. Question was Redacted
sometimes fully nude during the episodes? Answer yes. Question And
during these episodes, did the abuse include Epstein touching Redacted's breasts?
Answer yes. Question did it include directing Redacted to touch
Epstein's genitals? Answer yes. Question. Beginning when Redacted's approximately fourteen,
does she begin to travel with Epstein and Maxwell to
New York City on occasion? Answer yes, she did. Question
was that to the property you testified about earlier, the
townhouse on the Upper East Side? Answer yes. Question when
Redacted traveled to the New York City. Did she stay
in Epstein's townhouse in New York City? Answer yes, she did.
Question did she recall that Maxwell and Epstein took her
shopping on one of her early trips to New York City?
Answer yes. Did she remember them buying her anything? Answer
she recalled them buying her white cotton underwear. Her description
was that they were like little girls underwear. Question from
ages fourteen to seventeen, did Epstein ask Redacted to periodically
fly to New York for a weekend or weekends at
the townhouse in New York Answer I'm sorry, say that again.
Question you testified that she began traveling to New York
City at age fourteen. Did she then periodically travel to
New York City in a similar manner from ages fourteen
to seventeen? Answer yes. Question were there times when she
traveled on those trips when she flew on Epstein's private jet?
Answer yes. Question did she also fly sometimes commercially? Answer
yes she did. Question was Maxwell sometimes present on the
trips to New York? Answer yes. Question you testified earlier
that Redacted was sexually abused in Palm Beach. Did she
describe to you that she was also sexually abused on
the trips to New York. Answer yes she did. Question
did Maxwell encourage Redacted to go on these trips? Answer yes?
Question what is redacted? What did Redact to tell you
about her memory of how these trips were arranged? Answer?
She recalled that Maxwell was usually the one to schedule
her flights. If she was flying commercially, she would schedule
the flights, sometimes calling her mother to do the scheduling.
Question was that the general impression of how they were arranged?
Answer yes. Question in addition to the trips to New
York City you just described, did Redacted also remember traveling
at least once in Epstein's ranch in New Mexico? Answer
yes she did. Question does she remember whether or not
she was sexually abused in New Mexico? Answer she couldn't recall.
Question in general, how would it Adacted get to the
airport in Florida when she would fly on Epstein's jet?
What did she describe to you? Answer? Usually a driver,
one of Epstein's drivers would pick her up from her
house and take her to the airport. Question now, you
testified earlier that you reviewed flight records from Epstein's private jet.
Is that correct? Answer yes. Question and have you reviewed
records from the nineties to see whether there's a person
name or adacted on the records? Answer yes. Question turning
to the next slide, is this an excerpt from those records?
Answer yes it is. Question and does the red arrow
point two? Does the red arrow point to November eleventh,
nineteen ninety six flight? Answer yes it does. Question and
does this say does this flight log reflect that it
was a flight from Palm Beach to Teeterborough, New Jersey?
Answer yes. Question is there a private airfield in Teeterborough,
New Jersey? Answer yes, there is. Question what's it called?
Answer Teeterborough Airport? Question are the passengers listed on this
entry jet? Answer yes? Question do the entries also include
redacted plus friend Jeff shamps pH family redacted, redacted, redacted
and redacted? Answer yes. Question was redacted based on your
awareness of redacted's date of birth? And the date of
this flight was redacted sixteen the date of this flight?
Answer yes, she was. Question turning to the next slide.
You testified earlier about Teeterborough Airport. What are we looking
at on this slide? Answer? This is direction from Teterborough
Airport to Epstein's residence here in Manhattan. Question, So, based
on your review of this map, if someone were to
fly into Teterborough and travel to New York City, for
the most natural route to be traveled to Teeterborough Airport
and crossing it to New York through Manhattan. Answer yes,
question turning to the next slide. This is also an
excerpt from the flight records that you reviewed? Answer yes
it is. Question and does this show May ninth, nineteen
ninety seven flight from Teterborough to Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Answer yes it does. Question and are the passengers listed
on this flight je GM and redacted? Answer yes. Question
based on your knowledge of redacted's birthdate and the date
of this flight, would redacted have been sixteen on the
day of this flight? Answer yes, you would have been.
Question turning to the next flight slide. Is this also
an excerpt from the flight records? Answer yes? Question and
does the red arrow point to a flight entry on
May third, nineteen ninety eight? Answer yes it does. Question
based on the airport codes, did this reflect that there
is a flight on that date from Palm Beach, Florida
to Teterborough, New Jersey. Answer yes. Question and are the
passengers listed on this log je gm E t redacted,
Glenn redacted, redacted, Manny redacted? Answer yes. Question based on
your knowledge of redacted's birthday and the date of this flight,
would a redacted have been seventeen on this date? Answer yes? Question,
Am I correct that you testified earlier that in addition
to sometimes flying on Epstein's private jet, she also traveled
on commercial airlines? Is that right? Answer? Yes, it is.
Question based on your review of these flight logs, does
every flight entry list the name of every single passenger?
Or are there sometimes when a passenger is noted? Female? Answer?
There's times where passengers are just noted. Female. Question. I'm
going to talk to you about two examples of that.
Turning ahead two slides, look at slide eighteen. Does this
reflect the January third, nineteen ninety five flight where the
flight log says Jaye two females. Answer yes, it does.
Question and do the two entries below also just list
females next to the initials Jaye answer yes they do. Question.
Turning to the next slide, slide nineteen, is this another
example of an entry like that? Focusing on the entry
on February twelfth, nineteen ninety five, answer yes. Question does
that entry also say female? Answer yes, it does. Question.
Now you testified that Redacted sometimes flew on commercial airlines
and that the arrangements for her travel were made for
her to fly commercially for these trips. Is that right?
Answer yes. Question have you been able to obtain commercial
flight records? Answer? We tried, We were not able to
obtain those records. Question why is that the airlines don't
keep records past a certain year? Question? Does Redacted recall
group sexualized messages involving Epstein and Maxwell in both the
New York and Florida residents during the time period we've
been talking about? Answer yes. Question you testified earlier about
the time that Maxwell and Epstein would spend together and
the activities that they were involved in during this time period.
Did Redacted have occasions to talk with Maxwell? Answer? I'm sorry,
Can you ask the question again? Question during the beginning
when she was fourteen, when she was spending time with
Epstein and Maxwell, and through the years, did Redacted often
have conversations with Maxwell about her life? Answer yes. Question
did they talk about that often? Answer they did? Question
did Maxwell ask about her family, her classes, and other
aspects of her life answer, Yes she did. Question did
she go to school there in New York City her
senior year answer, yes she did. Question what school did
she go to she went or redacted question? What is
the answer? They cater to individuals who want to pursue
a career in the arts. Question have you reviewed records
from the redacted answer? Yes? All right, we're gonna wrap
up right here, and in the next episode, we're gonna
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