WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.519 Hey guys, Princess here and welcome to another episode of 2 00:00:10.599 --> 00:00:16.440 by Pumpkin Wrap Up Edition. So as you guys know this, 3 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.440 for the rest of the year, I plan on doing 4 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.600 a small episode on Fridays where it's just thirty minutes 5 00:00:23.640 --> 00:00:26.960 to an hour of me talking about three, maybe four 6 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:32.960 topics of things that came across my desk this week. Yeah, 7 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:35.320 I just wanted a space where I could like give 8 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:41.640 you your more opinions. This week. I want to start 9 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.399 off talking about Collin Goslin's book Gosling Gods. You know, 10 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:47.799 when I was doing a bunch of those episodes for 11 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:53.079 the for the bonus episodes, this is years ago, I 12 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:57.119 did like a selection of like John and Kate plus 13 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:03.560 eight and Kate plus eight episodes. I definitely got feedback 14 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:09.159 that I am pronouncing their last name wrong and I 15 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.480 now have no idea how to pronounce it. I think 16 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.879 I was pronouncing that Goslin, or maybe I was saying Gosling. 17 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:17.879 I don't know. I don't fucking know. But anyway, you 18 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:21.040 know who the fuck I'm talking about, Colin from John 19 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:25.879 and Kate plus eight. So here's the thing about Colin 20 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:28.719 from John and Kate plus eight. If you don't know. 21 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:36.719 Kate at some point had him put in. I don't 22 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:38.159 want to say it's a mental health it could have 23 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:41.560 been a mental health facility whatever it's called. When he 24 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:45.400 could leave. He was a child. It's how old was he? 25 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.560 Like twelve ish maybe thirteen, couldn't be fourteen or so, 26 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:53.239 but around age he was putting one of those places. 27 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:55.760 And we found out because John was like, I don't 28 00:01:55.760 --> 00:02:00.920 even know where Colin is. Listen before us to keep 29 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:05.200 talking about this. Both John and Kate are monsters. Okay, 30 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:12.639 they're both really really bad people. Kate is I okay, 31 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:14.960 I don't like it, but be calling everybody narcissist. But 32 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.479 he's a narciss She's a narcissist. I think she is 33 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:20.840 a textbook definition of a narcissist. I think she's controlling. 34 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:26.080 I think she is desperate to be seen a certain way. 35 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:29.919 I think that she's one of the snipers from the side. 36 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.840 I think you if you think her behavior on the show, 37 00:02:32.960 --> 00:02:38.680 the screaming, the ripping things from people, that sort of stuff, 38 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.240 do you think that if you think that's that's the 39 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:42.960 worst of it. I bet you. When we can't see her, 40 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:51.039 she's even worse. Everything's about her. Yeah, like I and 41 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:56.360 I do not think that someone who purposely got pregnant 42 00:02:56.400 --> 00:03:00.439 with sex tublets and then got them on TV and 43 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:07.360 then uh basically had a series of reality shows because 44 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:14.120 she had She had a bunch of specials on TLC, 45 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:17.240 then John and Kate plus eight, then Kate plus eight. 46 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.400 She had a series of reality TV shows to be honest, 47 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:26.280 that focused solely on those children. And Yeah, I just 48 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.439 don't think she's a good person. I really don't. And 49 00:03:28.479 --> 00:03:31.639 I think she's a really hard person to be to 50 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:35.560 have as your mother. I honestly think that Emmy from 51 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:39.520 Southern Hospitality is gonna be in the same vein with 52 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:45.599 her children as a Kate plus eight. I definitely John 53 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.960 is a piece of shit. Guys, He's a literal piece 54 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:54.680 of shit. He's a deadbeat father. I don't the way 55 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.240 he talks is if it is as if he has 56 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.919 done a tenth of the reporting of those children. He's like, 57 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:04.000 I don't, I don't have to picture they have everything 58 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.759 in my house that they had. John moved to a 59 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.199 I believe a one bedroom apartment in Manhattan after his divorce. 60 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:16.040 The children had to sleep on sleeping bags. I think 61 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.560 Kate had to provide the sleeping bags. He did not 62 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.120 show up for visits, He did not show up for 63 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.759 phone calls. He was too busy running around Lindsay lohand daddy, okay, 64 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:28.120 is he still alive? And that Kate major girl. He 65 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:31.800 was too busy doing all that, And then, at least 66 00:04:32.120 --> 00:04:36.120 once a year, usually multiple times a year, he is 67 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:40.120 selling stories about his children. He is selling stories that 68 00:04:40.160 --> 00:04:42.759 he's being prevented from seeing his children. He is selling 69 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.160 stories that Kate has made his children not like him. 70 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:49.079 I think, listen, I don't know how much those kids 71 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.639 like Kate, but I honest to god fucking think that 72 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.600 they don't like you because you're an asshole. That's why. 73 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:05.199 The only reason I let Kate be even a smidge 74 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.639 above John, because I think they're they're they're like, I 75 00:05:08.680 --> 00:05:11.759 think they're pretty similar in their in their terribleness, is 76 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.000 because she actually like cared for the kids. That's it. 77 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:18.040 I Me and Less talked about this, Me and Liss 78 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:21.480 talk about calling specifically and about the Kate plus eight. 79 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.519 The John and Kate plus eight people pretty a lot. 80 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:31.279 And I oh, Kate was also fucking a married man. 81 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:36.079 Uh he was her Australian security, like totally married, totally 82 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:41.759 having a literal relationship with that man. The what was 83 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:47.800 I gonna say? I forgotten? Oh, we did an episode 84 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:52.600 in which I laid out John Goslin could have won 85 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:56.639 this divorce. People didn't like Kate. She she's had a 86 00:05:56.680 --> 00:06:00.879 bad reputation forever, and a lot of people would look 87 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.519 at John and be like, oh, poor John, poor drump, 88 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.000 poor drum, Like, yeah, he's exploiting his shelter just as much. 89 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:11.959 I mean, you know, but he could have left that 90 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:19.000 relationship and won the whole court of public opinion if 91 00:06:19.079 --> 00:06:21.920 he had not run off to do coke with Lindsay 92 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.920 Lohan's daddy. Okay, he this is what I would have done. 93 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:26.879 I would have gotten because remember they had that big 94 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:31.360 ass fucking house, that huge fucking house. He like, I 95 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.120 would have gotten a regular sized house, because it's not 96 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.680 that house is not far from like I always thought 97 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:38.319 it was like in the country. It's not really in 98 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:42.680 the country. It's it's it's deceiving the way you drive 99 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.000 up to the house and all that. They they there 100 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.240 was a school within driving distance of their house that 101 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:49.879 the kids would be dropped off and picked up from 102 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:54.439 every day. I would have moved to a neighborhood that 103 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:59.800 still went to that school, right, and I would have 104 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.120 I've bought because they had the money at the time. 105 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:08.600 I would have bought a medium sized house, not a 106 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.360 big house. Okay, he had eight children. Uh. I would 107 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:15.439 have bought a house that had four or five bedrooms. 108 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:17.040 That's not a medium that's a pretty big house. But 109 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.000 it wouldn't have been as gardanti as in his other house. 110 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:21.480 I would have bought a house at four or five bedrooms. 111 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:23.639 I would have had one bedroom. I would have put 112 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.279 Maddie and Kara in their own bedrooms. Maybe if it 113 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:29.439 was like four, I would have put them in the 114 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:34.319 same bedroom. I would have put the three boys in 115 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.800 one bedroom and the three girls in one bedroom. And 116 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:38.519 this is not ideal. This is a lot of kids 117 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.759 in one bedrooms, right, but it's what I could afford. 118 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.920 I would have got one of those uh, triple bunk 119 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:46.800 bets or one of those double bunk bets that have 120 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.879 the that has the sleeper that pulls out of it. 121 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.319 I would have done those things, right. I would have 122 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:56.040 I don't have no job, I'm not on the reality 123 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:59.720 show anymore. I would have become mister fucking mom. I'd 124 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.560 be a that school every day. I'd be on the pta, 125 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:07.279 I'd be at those soccer games, clapping on the sidelines. 126 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:10.399 I would every time Kate had to go out of 127 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.680 town to quote unquote work. Right, so she's going, she's 128 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.279 going to do a talk here, a religious because they're 129 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.439 very religious there. I don't know how religious they are now, 130 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.040 but that was their whole stick. In earlier episodes, we 131 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:26.240 definitely saw them going to church. But I would have 132 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:28.399 I would have joined the church, right, I would have 133 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.639 joined the church. I would attend every Sunday, every time 134 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.639 Kate goes out of town to do her religious talks 135 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:39.600 or her or her you know, she's gotta go to 136 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.879 Australia to do this and appear at this and then 137 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:44.519 a pair at the cockatoo hair convince you whatever the 138 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.639 fuck she was doing. I because in a divorce you could, 139 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:49.559 in a custy thing, you can set up first write 140 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.480 of refusal, meaning that if you cannot care for the kids, 141 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:54.919 you have to ask me if I can care for 142 00:08:54.960 --> 00:09:00.799 the kids. And so I would do that, and every 143 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:02.039 time she had to go and be like, yeah, bring 144 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:04.759 them over here, Yeah, bring them over here, I would 145 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:08.159 be the most present father. I could be the present 146 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.200 father in the world. Because I could be I don't 147 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:12.279 have to work, I don't have to leave this house. 148 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.240 I can still still stories. If that's what I want 149 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:19.320 to do, I can still I can still do. Like 150 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:24.240 Kate ended up winning primary legal, like she could make 151 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:27.480 the legal decisions for the children, which is how they 152 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.279 got to still be on TV. But because I'm so 153 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:34.360 present and because I'm doing all the things, I would 154 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.840 have gotten joint legal, and then I would have to 155 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:42.440 pull them off that fucking show. Not first of all, 156 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:43.679 they should have been on the show and I should 157 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:45.919 have been watching it. To be completely honest, the reason 158 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.960 they had that show is for us, put because of 159 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:55.120 people like me. I found the I found that, like 160 00:09:56.159 --> 00:10:00.679 I found this incredibly interesting. It's it wasn't the although 161 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:03.360 eventually I did feel like, you know, I watched them 162 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.080 grow up. I did feel like can to those kids. 163 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:10.000 But what it was was that I was just really 164 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.440 interested in how do you feed eight children? And how 165 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:16.600 do you what's the split on how you house eight children? 166 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.759 What do you do about that? Like, I was really 167 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:20.600 interested in the mechanics of it, and I ended up 168 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:23.519 staying because I really started to like follow in love 169 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:25.639 those kids. But I should not have had access to 170 00:10:25.639 --> 00:10:28.960 those children. Of course, it's the early aughts. It was 171 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:30.919 a while while West people didn't fucking know shit like that. 172 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.639 But looking back, I should not have. I shouldn't. And 173 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:36.919 I also give Kate and John a little bit of 174 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:39.200 grace on that they didn't fucking know. They had no idea, 175 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:44.159 but they were money hungry. There are plenty of like 176 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:46.039 if they had done a couple of specials and even 177 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:49.080 done their own reality TV show and it just and 178 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:50.440 they were like, oh, we just thought it was the 179 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.360 best thing. They were pimping them kids out everywhere. They 180 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.480 were going here and going there. They honest to god, 181 00:10:57.080 --> 00:10:59.279 were super money hungry. And if you never had money, 182 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:01.039 I could see why you can be super money hungry. 183 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:03.720 But bro, they were doing a lot. I can give 184 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.120 them a little bit of grace on that. I cannot 185 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:12.879 give them. I can't I in the fact that happened 186 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:14.759 in early aughts. But they still are very bad people. 187 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:17.759 I think even as people let them know that, hey, 188 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.639 this is probably bad for the kids. The fact that 189 00:11:19.639 --> 00:11:23.200 you're filming most of the year, it's probably not great 190 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:27.480 for the kids. They still they kept going, what was 191 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:29.639 I about to say? Yeah, I would have done, But 192 00:11:29.799 --> 00:11:31.120 not only would I pull them on the show. Would 193 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.039 have pulled them on the show too, Spike Kate, not 194 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.080 just for because I wouldn't have known, right, I'm John, 195 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.080 I'm a piece of shit. But I would have won 196 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.919 the court of opinion. There have been so many paparazzi 197 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:43.480 shots of me at the school, me having a daddy 198 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:47.159 daughter date with Hannah. Mean, there have been so many 199 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.919 paparazzi shots of that shit. And Meanwhile, because because the 200 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:53.720 tabloids hate the public hated Kate, meanwhile to be like Kate, 201 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:59.480 it's another bad haircut. They like that. John and John 202 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:05.279 and the Boys cut down a Christmas tree. John has 203 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:08.600 decided to spend a quiet Christmas at home because he 204 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:13.639 just really feels like the children needed if he does 205 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:15.679 have to bring the kids to Kate's house of the 206 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.120 second half of the day, and that devastates him, like 207 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:20.440 this is how the taboys read, this is what I 208 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.159 tell them to put in there. But John plans to 209 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.039 drop his kids off at Kate's house and go home 210 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:32.759 and just spend the rest of the day watching Christmas 211 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:37.519 movies and enjoying the quiet and waiting for his kids 212 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.720 to come back. That's type of shit I would be 213 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:41.600 putting out there. But you know what, he didn't want 214 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.360 to do that. He really was fucking that girl. He 215 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.360 really was getting hurry in on the property on a 216 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:51.559 four wheeler. He really. I think it was the daughter 217 00:12:51.639 --> 00:12:56.960 of their dentist or their plastics search somebody. Yeah, yeah, 218 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.360 he's a piece of shit. Guyshot are both bad people. 219 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:03.120 But what happened is that Colin put Colin was put 220 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:08.279 in this mental health facility. He wanted to leave. Obviously, 221 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:13.720 he was getting One of his roommates was leaving, and 222 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.960 he put a note through him to like get to 223 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:19.720 his DAP because he wasn't allowed to speak to He 224 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:24.440 was't allowed to make any phone calls. And John found out. 225 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:28.320 He positioned to get custody of Colin. I don't even 226 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:31.639 think Kate showed up to that. Kate, what the fuck 227 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.039 you doing? There's another reason. She's like, look, Kate, why 228 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:38.039 wouldn't you show up to a custody hearing about your children? 229 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:45.080 So he goes, he goes, and he goes to live 230 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:48.759 with John. Hannah is already living with John at knew 231 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.320 at that point, I think Hannah just wanted to live 232 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:53.679 with John and they were having a lot of things 233 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:57.759 with custody back and forth, where Hannah be like, no, 234 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.080 we're not going, You're not good, You're not going. I 235 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.519 don't know. They have never disclosed why she didn't want 236 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:04.440 to go. Maybe Kate was beating her ass because she 237 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:07.279 definitely used to beat them fucking kids. So I don't know, 238 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:11.240 but Hannah's living with her. Maybe he got Colin then Hannah. 239 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.159 I think that's what happened at Colin and Hannah. How 240 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:19.559 did things go fine? Except for John told us that 241 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.639 whatever meant that Colin was on, John took him off 242 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:25.960 of them. John told us that nothing was wrong with Colin. 243 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:28.639 He was fine. The Kate to just put him in 244 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:33.440 there because she's bad. I don't know. I do know 245 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:37.000 that a couple of months later, Colin was whooping his 246 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:38.559 ass in the garage and the two of them were 247 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:40.720 fist fighting and the police had to be called. I'm 248 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:46.399 not sure about that, but that's that's Colin's story. He's 249 00:14:46.399 --> 00:14:48.279 actually come out and he's talked about the dark side. 250 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:51.120 I think it was the Dark Side episode of John 251 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.000 and Katelys eight, same with Hannah. That episode got a 252 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:57.279 lot of people talking about this, and I was just like, bro, 253 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.440 none of this shit in here is new. Like if 254 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.240 you were paying the whole attention John and Kate Lesse, 255 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:06.240 you knew all of this shit. But I don't know 256 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.240 what prompted Kate to put him in that mental health facility. 257 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.159 I've always guessed that something happened at home or at 258 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:20.960 school that embarrassed Kate, that made it so spotlight was 259 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.360 on Kate. It could be a number of things. I 260 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.919 don't want to speculate on what the things could be. 261 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:30.440 Kate has always said that she had to protect her 262 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.919 other children. I just don't want those things to have happened, 263 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:36.039 so I don't want to speculate on that. I just 264 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:37.759 feel like that's not fair to Colin. And I also 265 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:44.399 feel like I really hope nothing bad happened. That said. 266 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.919 Those kids had no contact with Colin even when they could, 267 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.679 so I don't know what that's about. They all have 268 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.440 their own phones, because Hannah would have contact with them 269 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:56.879 every now and then, they all had their own phones. 270 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.240 They all had the ability to be in content with Colin, 271 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:08.159 and they were not. I don't I don't know, and 272 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.679 I also don't think i'll ever know because that's the 273 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:14.759 next part. Colin's writing a book. The book's coming out 274 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.919 in October. Of course, I'm gonna read this book. I 275 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:20.440 used to say, Colin write a book, I will pre 276 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:22.399 order it right now. I know it doesn't exist to 277 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.480 take my money. I'll pre order the Bitch because I want. 278 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:27.039 And it's not that I feel like I'm gonna get 279 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:30.320 the whole whole story, but I do feel like I'm 280 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:34.240 gonna get more story. I honestly think, well, here's what 281 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:35.799 I think is gonna happen when I read this book. 282 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.840 I think Colin is going to say that he talked 283 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:43.639 back to Kate or he wasn't doing what she wanted 284 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:45.039 him to do, and that's why he put her in 285 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:46.519 that mental health That's why they put him in that 286 00:16:46.519 --> 00:16:51.919 mental health facility. Which is a possibility. I want Maddie 287 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:54.159 to write a book. That's who I want to write 288 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.399 a book, and I don't think and again that's gonna 289 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.840 have to be be taken with a plant with a 290 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:01.759 grain of salt. But I think I would be interested 291 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.759 to know her perspective, and I think she would probably 292 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:09.640 say more about details of what happened at home, then 293 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:12.680 Colin is going to that said, I'm gonna be reading 294 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.359 it first day. I'll have it first day reading it. Definitely, 295 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:21.400 gonna talk about it on a podcast, definitely, definitely, and listen. 296 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:24.920 Do I think Colin deserved to be in that mental 297 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:30.279 health facility? Probably not. I don't like I can't imagine, 298 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.079 you know, I don't have watching go kids. I can't 299 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:37.200 imagine sending my kid to something like that unless they 300 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:40.720 were a danger to themselves or other children. But I'm 301 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:44.400 also not Kate, and I also don't need blind obedience 302 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.039 and being embarrassed by the people at the school, or 303 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.599 being embarrassed or being someone being like unable me being 304 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.319 unable to force someone to do something is not the 305 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.960 same as someone's having a mental health crisis. That's not 306 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:02.039 the same. But if something were gonna happen, Like there's 307 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:03.920 a woman I don't follow her, but I see her 308 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.799 on TikTok all the time, who had a child. His 309 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.240 name is General. It's like a family name who which 310 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:15.000 maybe she shouldn't be saying his name because not a 311 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.200 lot of people are named fucking General, but his name 312 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:24.759 is General. He sexually assaulted her daughter and they put 313 00:18:24.839 --> 00:18:27.119 him in a group home. They had they they he 314 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.759 couldn't be there anymore. He didn't get any like even 315 00:18:30.839 --> 00:18:33.400 though they went to the police. He was like, by 316 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.160 the way, I think he was like fourteen when he 317 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:39.039 did that, so he didn't get any like sending scene 318 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:40.839 or anything like that. He had to go to a 319 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:44.200 group home. To this day, she doesn't say what he's doing, 320 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.000 but like she they are still legally his parents. He 321 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.279 just turned eighteen, and so he would be reoffending. He'd 322 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:52.359 be in a group of home, he'd being foster he'd 323 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.839 be reoffending, reoffending. He would send her letters where he 324 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:59.519 said that he that he was doing better and he 325 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.240 was this medication, that medication. They would find out, either 326 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:06.119 his foster parents or the group home or the mental 327 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.000 health institution he would be in would find out that 328 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.720 he's been hiding the meds. He'd reoffend, reoffend, reoffend. He 329 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.440 just turned eighteen and offended twice after she again she 330 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.799 will not tell us what it is that he would 331 00:19:18.839 --> 00:19:24.799 the I'm assuming it's a sexual thing or or something 332 00:19:24.799 --> 00:19:30.240 of that nature. And she talks a lot about how 333 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:34.880 she had to navigate that system, being legally his parent 334 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:45.400 also wanting him to to receive appropriate consequences also him 335 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:52.000 be him being unable to be to be rehabilitated by 336 00:19:52.039 --> 00:19:55.240 any system, And like she talks a lot about that, 337 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.039 I think that's what Kate is gonna say happened. I 338 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:01.039 don't know that that's what happen, but I'm saying, if 339 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:02.680 I had a certain if I had the same situation 340 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.720 where I had a child that was dangerous to the 341 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:10.279 rest of my children that was no amount of therapy 342 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:13.480 and no amount of medication could do anything to keep 343 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.000 him from being dangerous, I can see why I would 344 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:18.599 have them in a mental health facility that said, I 345 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:20.680 can't imagine leaving them and they were coming back. I 346 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:22.319 can't because she didn't visit, she didn't do any of 347 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.079 those things. I'm wondering, what the fuck what does Kate 348 00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:27.480 think happen? Not that I think she's telling the truth, 349 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:29.920 but what does she think happened? Because she came to 350 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.240 Hannah and Collin's graduation and took pictures and talked to 351 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:39.799 Hannah but not calling, So what does that mean? What 352 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:43.960 does Kate think she's doing? Mhmm, what does Kate think 353 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:46.559 she's doing? That's what I want to know. I know 354 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:48.279 I'm not gonna agree whatever the fuck she says. I 355 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:50.960 just want to know what she think happened. Well, in 356 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.960 your mind, what happened. Yeah, I can't imagine placing any 357 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:58.359 of my children in an impatient mental health facility, And 358 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.240 even if something horrible happened, I can't imagine like then 359 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.039 I go no contact with him. I'd probably be talking 360 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:07.160 to their doctors every day, trying to visit them as 361 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.640 much as possible, working from the fucking Wi fi for 362 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:15.880 this isn't funny, but I'm saying, like, even if something 363 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.279 is going on in which your child needs help, that 364 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:23.640 doesn't mean then you don't you just done with him. 365 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:27.720 Like in the case of General and his mom, I 366 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.599 understand why she she does see him sometimes, but why 367 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:32.359 she doesn't like And he's also in a different state 368 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:35.240 every now and then he gets kicked out of where 369 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:36.920 he is and they have to scramble to find a 370 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.880 new place for him, and da da da dah. By 371 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:44.160 the way, you can give up you can relinquish your 372 00:21:44.480 --> 00:21:48.759 parental rights to the state. But I think I could 373 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:53.799 be wrong that you have to take a child neglect 374 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.680 charge to do that, Like you will be charged with 375 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.559 a child neglect if you were to tell the state, 376 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.400 I can not care for this child. I do not 377 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.400 want this shot in my home. Blah blah blah. I 378 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.279 do think you'd have to take that charge. And I 379 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:09.759 think that that could affect the your other children, because 380 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:11.279 now you have a child to let charge on you, 381 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.640 and I think that opens cases on with your other children. 382 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.240 I'm not exactly sure, but I've been led to believe 383 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:20.359 that's how it works. But like, yeah, she's always scrambling 384 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:22.359 to find the next place that will take them because 385 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.960 of all the things he has done. Yeah, that seems hard. 386 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:29.519 That seems really hard there. But for the grace of God, 387 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.200 go I right. I hope I'm never in a position 388 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:35.079 like that. But yeah, I'm excited about this book. I'm 389 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:37.880 definitely gonna talk about it. I will oh day one, 390 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:42.640 at midnight, I will be dalverring the audiobook. I don't 391 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:44.119 think it's gonna be your super good book, and I 392 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.079 don't think that I personally, maybe a lot of y'all will, 393 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:49.039 but I don't think I personally would get any new information. 394 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:51.960 But that's the most and that's what I really want 395 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.759 to fucking I want to know about that w how 396 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:58.039 you I want to know your perspective of how that 397 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:00.960 shit happened, right. I know he's gonna have a scene 398 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.640 where he's like got his hand on the glass at 399 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.480 the mental health facility and Kate just looks at him 400 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:09.240 and turns her back, which I probably made have happened. 401 00:23:09.839 --> 00:23:11.640