1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:05,799 Speaker 1: I am a Haley Bishop and I am part of 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:13,640 Squash Fishing Outfitters. I have been since twenty twenty two. 3 00:00:13,919 --> 00:00:18,239 I was on their first expedition with them and been 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,559 with them ever since, and since then we've wracked up 5 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,879 quite a few interesting events. One of them I would 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:34,039 like to go into detail about is one fall i'd 7 00:00:34,119 --> 00:00:40,039 seen one on thermal. You know. We had went up 8 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:44,920 to the North Georgia Mountains and you know, everything was 9 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:51,759 going like it's supposed to get their subpretent and got 10 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,560 to know everyone, and so we were about to go 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:02,000 out and just see what we could experience. And at 12 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,280 the time there wasn't really a lot going on, and 13 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,840 so we didn't really know how the evening was going 14 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,680 to go. But we had picked this four service road 15 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,359 and at this time it was already dark, and so 16 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:24,439 me and a group started hiking up there, and about 17 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:30,680 I guess half a mile in, we would stop kind 18 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,400 of scan surrounding areas, you know, and then keep going. 19 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,799 You know. We did that a couple of times, and 20 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:44,640 then we got to this one spot where someone had 21 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,599 pick something up on their thermal on the right. I 22 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:53,519 would say, I guess at about a one or two 23 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:59,359 o'clock angle and it was up on the hill and 24 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,599 so Scott was looking at it on a thermal. And 25 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:09,319 Scott is one of the leaders of squatch fishing outfitter 26 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,439 and U Nate. He was looking at it on a 27 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:17,759 thermal and it looked like you know, they said it 28 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,319 was peeping in and out of a tree, like from 29 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,319 behind a tree. And so Scott handed me the thermal 30 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,360 to see what they were talking about. And you know, 31 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,800 I could see it people around the tree and then 32 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,479 go back into hiding. And then like three seconds later 33 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:45,520 I saw it takeoff running and it did about two 34 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,800 or three good arm sways like you it you can 35 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,840 see the arms and the legs, and it disappeared behind 36 00:02:54,879 --> 00:03:04,639 trees and it was kind of I would say, maybe 37 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,319 one hundred two hundred feet away, and like you you 38 00:03:08,319 --> 00:03:11,159 could tell that it was like a humanoid shape. But 39 00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:13,800 you know, we that was on the right side of 40 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,599 the road and it was heading to the left, so 41 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:24,199 it was heading towards the road. And you know, all 42 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,960 I can remember saying was it runs like a man. 43 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,080 And at that time I kind of wanted to get 44 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,759 out of there. So Scott always would tell us that 45 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,439 if you're out here and something happens, you should never 46 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,919 run because that makes you pray. So then I started 47 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,360 speed walking as fast as I could. He kind of 48 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,240 had reeled me back into the group, but I was 49 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:57,439 just afraid that it was just gonna follow us, and well, 50 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,560 I'm I'm pretty sure that's what it did. That night, 51 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,639 I was still a little bit shooken up from it. 52 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:13,960 And that night, around three point thirty, I heard this 53 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,560 really loud metal bang and that's what woke me up. 54 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,920 And I was sleeping in a tent at the time. 55 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,839 It was October and it was pretty chilly, so I 56 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,959 had mister Buddy heater on and that kind of casted 57 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,560 my shadow, so if I moved something outside would see it. 58 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,000 So I tried to stay as still as possible. But 59 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:42,079 I got woken up by this loud metal bang and 60 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,839 it almost sounded like a metal trash can hit in 61 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,720 the side of the car. I couldn't really tell what 62 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:51,399 it was other than maybe something was trying to get 63 00:04:51,439 --> 00:04:56,480 into the metal bare box in that general area that 64 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,560 I heard it coming from. And so I just there 65 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:08,199 and I could hear metal crunching and popping, almost like 66 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,079 something really heavy had gotten on top of the car, 67 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,560 and I just laid there and I kept listening. And 68 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,759 then after the crunching sound, I could hear very loud, 69 00:05:23,959 --> 00:05:31,079 percussive footsteps, and it wasn't like something on four feet. 70 00:05:31,439 --> 00:05:37,399 It sounded like two feet, like boom, boom boom, and 71 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,759 whatever it was was coming closer and closer to my tent. 72 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,439 But I laid there and I kept listening, and I 73 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,399 didn't move like a single inch. And when I heard 74 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:54,480 it getting closer to my tent, that's when I heard 75 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:59,639 it sounded like like a fingernail, you know, like how 76 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,279 it would sound if you scratched the outside of a tent. 77 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,399 What sounded like something it was scratching the outside of 78 00:06:09,439 --> 00:06:12,279 my tent, and it sort of went all the way 79 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,319 around my tent. And by the time it got to 80 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,639 the door, you know, I was waiting, you know, to 81 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,040 see what was going to happen. And I was clutching 82 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:28,879 my keyfob because you know, they said if they if 83 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,399 you hear something outside at night and you get scared 84 00:06:33,439 --> 00:06:36,120 to press it and wall come out running. Well, I 85 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,319 had it in my hands. I just didn't want to 86 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:42,480 press it because I was afraid of what might what 87 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:46,160 happen and when it got to the front of my tent, 88 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:53,519 it let this deep exhale out like a but deeper. 89 00:06:55,160 --> 00:07:00,639 And after that I heard it get into the kitchen 90 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,519 like it was opening and closing the grills and everything. 91 00:07:05,639 --> 00:07:12,199 And at that time I was extremely tired and I 92 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:15,160 was just like, you know, whatever it is, I just 93 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:16,759 have to get me. I have to go to sleep. 94 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:22,240 And I ended up falling asleep. And the next morning 95 00:07:23,959 --> 00:07:28,399 we looked around a campsite and there was a creek 96 00:07:28,439 --> 00:07:32,319 behind the campsite and past that creek went up into 97 00:07:32,439 --> 00:07:39,240 the mountains, and how we had our cars parked, it 98 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:44,720 was almost acting as a barrier from the creek. And 99 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,160 when we kind of got over there looking, we found 100 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:56,040 a wet like a footprint in the mud and measured 101 00:07:56,040 --> 00:08:00,439 it and it was about seventeen inches and then all 102 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:06,879 over Sheila's jeep was these greasy fingerprints. We took pictures, 103 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,519 we lifted the prints and they were I would say 104 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:16,000 about three times the size of my thumb. And when 105 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,079 you look close at it, you could see that it 106 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:23,240 had dormal ridges like it had a fingerprint, but just 107 00:08:23,279 --> 00:08:28,040 the backtrack just a little bit. When I heard the 108 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:33,960 metal bang. After that I had heard what sounded like 109 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,960 a mix between an owl and a coyote. Hell, I 110 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,919 couldn't place that sound on any one creature. It just 111 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,440 sounded like either an owl or a kyote or both. 112 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:51,919 And it was this how like I can't even can't 113 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:57,240 even try to repeat. Yeah, that's the end of that experience. 114 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:05,159 The experience that I had was with squatch Fish and outfitters. See, 115 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,519 I don't go out into the woods by myself. It's 116 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,519 always usually with them because I feel safe going out 117 00:09:14,519 --> 00:09:19,720 with them, and after the things we've experienced, I definitely 118 00:09:19,759 --> 00:09:26,960 won't go out by myself. This experience was it was 119 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,879 another expedition and I was getting there kind of late. 120 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,799 It was about eight or nine o'clock and everyone had 121 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,159 already packed up their stuff and headed deeper into the 122 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:49,240 mountains to do their little hiking expedition. And so I 123 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,279 was going to get to the camp and set up 124 00:09:52,279 --> 00:09:54,200 my tent and have it all ready for them when 125 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,759 they got back, and I got out of the car 126 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,039 and it was just really dark and the vibes were 127 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,840 just off. I was looking around with a flashlight and 128 00:10:06,159 --> 00:10:10,759 it was I just did not feel comfortable pulling my 129 00:10:10,879 --> 00:10:16,639 tent out and putting my focus on that, and so 130 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:18,799 I stayed in the car and I waited for them 131 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,559 to get back. As I was waiting for them to 132 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:29,799 get back, one of the trees across the campsite, I 133 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,759 could see what only I could describe as an orb, 134 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:41,519 like a pale white orb, hover from out, like from 135 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,960 out behind a tree, and then slowly fall into the 136 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:52,600 ground and disappear. And honestly, I couldn't tell you what 137 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:58,919 that would have been other than an orb. Then everyone 138 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:06,159 started showing up, you know. I got out, and then Michelle, 139 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,639 one of our friends, she said, you know, it's it's 140 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,159 been raining a little bit. You don't need to set 141 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,039 up your tent and get it all muddy, so you 142 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:17,240 can stay in the pop up with us. And that night, 143 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,279 you know, nothing happened. Next day we went and did 144 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,080 what we were doing up there, and then that evening, 145 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:29,120 you know, settled in and then I stayed in the 146 00:11:29,159 --> 00:11:34,240 pop up with Michelle, and I honestly couldnot tell you 147 00:11:34,279 --> 00:11:38,519 what time it was because my phone was dead, so 148 00:11:38,799 --> 00:11:40,919 I didn't have a watch. I couldn't tell what time 149 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:47,960 it was, but everyone was already asleep, and this really 150 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:54,799 loud scream woke me up and At first I thought 151 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:01,000 maybe it was a mountain lion, because their screams can 152 00:12:01,039 --> 00:12:04,799 sound like a woman screaming. But whatever this was was 153 00:12:06,039 --> 00:12:09,519 probably twenty or thirty feet away from our pop up, 154 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,039 like right in the middle of camps and it screamed 155 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,600 like a woman, and then it went off into this 156 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:24,399 gibberish like almost like if you had heard the samurai chatter. 157 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,799 That's what it sounded like. It sounded like it was 158 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:36,960 frustrated or it was trying to speak. Honestly, couldn't tell you. 159 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:41,840 I couldn't point to one specific thing. And I tried 160 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,559 to get Michelle to wake up, and she was just 161 00:12:44,759 --> 00:12:49,080 she was out cold, and so no one else heard 162 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,559 it but me, but it definitely it woke me up 163 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:58,159 from my sleep and I couldn't get to sleep for 164 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:03,120 quite a while after that. There is this one other time, 165 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:09,039 and this is in the same location as the last story. 166 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,879 We were up there and we had split off our team. 167 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:22,559 I was staying at the campsite with Sheila, Michelle, Danny, 168 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,519 and Austin, and then the Scott took the rest of 169 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,960 him further into the woods to go hiking, and so 170 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,080 we were just hanging around the campfire trying to keep 171 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,240 it going. Michelle she won't let a fire go out, 172 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,480 so she was out there. She was popping and cracking 173 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,600 limbs and sticks and trying to get a bunch of 174 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,559 firewood for us. So we were just sitting there talking 175 00:13:53,480 --> 00:14:00,120 and all of a sudden we started hearing branches break. 176 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,360 We heard, you know, one from our on our right side, 177 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:14,960 and then one to our left. And then something started 178 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:20,519 throwing rocks at Austin, who was the only male in 179 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:28,399 this group. They were about the size I guess, slightly 180 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,759 smaller than a golf ball, these rocks were, and they 181 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:36,879 were all zooming past us, going straight towards him, and 182 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,960 I guess whatever was out there didn't like that there 183 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,600 was a man with all these women. And then, you know, 184 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:46,480 we kept hearing these branches break off. In the dark, 185 00:14:46,679 --> 00:14:51,679 we shine a light, we couldn't see anything, and we 186 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:56,919 tried to use our walkie talkies to get in contact 187 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,759 with the other group, and they had already died. They 188 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:04,559 were fully charged when we got out there, and they 189 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,519 were just dead. So we couldn't get ahold of the 190 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:15,120 other group. And during all this, Austin had seen a 191 00:15:15,159 --> 00:15:22,000 blue orb off like past where our cars were and 192 00:15:22,039 --> 00:15:24,480 he said it was about I guess the size of 193 00:15:24,519 --> 00:15:29,080 a basketball, and it was like it was moving. And 194 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,080 then we heard a growl come from that same area, 195 00:15:34,159 --> 00:15:37,759 and after that we were ready to leave. Like normally 196 00:15:37,759 --> 00:15:41,320 when you start hearing growls, it's time to go. They're 197 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,519 getting tired of you. So they're just getting close to midnight, 198 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,480 and we were making our plans to leave with or 199 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:52,360 without everyone else, and we were trying to wait as 200 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:55,480 long as we could, and then we saw the group 201 00:15:55,519 --> 00:16:00,360 come back around the mountain and then we were able 202 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:05,639 to pack up and leave. But that experience there was 203 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,679 there was just a lot going on. And then there 204 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,039 was this other time. I was with the hiking group 205 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,320 this time, and we going down this trail and it 206 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,399 was it was late at night, and the frogs, the cicadas, 207 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,399 the everything were just they were super loud. And we 208 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,399 got about maybe a quarter mile down that road and 209 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,519 we were about to turn around because you know, we 210 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:40,720 weren't seeing anything, we're hearing anything, and you know, the 211 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:45,679 nature was just really loud. But then just as we 212 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:51,759 were about to turn around, we heard the whole forest 213 00:16:51,879 --> 00:16:57,039 get quiet, Like it was strange how it went from 214 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:02,399 so loud to so quiet, and then out of that quietness, 215 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:10,480 we heard this single like whoop sound coming from down 216 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:16,400 the trail and up the hill I would say maybe 217 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,759 two or three hundred feet it was. It was a 218 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:23,079 little ways, but it wasn't that far, and it just 219 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:30,240 it whooped again. So we decided to turn back around 220 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:34,880 and go back towards our other group that was waiting 221 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,720 by the fire, and the further way we got from it, 222 00:17:39,839 --> 00:17:44,160 the sound didn't get any quieter. It sounded like it 223 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:49,160 was keeping pace with us, like it would continue to whoop, 224 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:56,160 but it stayed the same volume. So we were figured. 225 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,599 We figured that you know, it was trying to follow us, 226 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,319 and you know, there has been times where things have 227 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,039 followed us back. We get up to where the other 228 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,160 part of the group is sitting and we asked them 229 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,640 if they heard that that whoop that was coming from 230 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,279 you know, our direction She's They said no, but we 231 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,759 heard a whoop from the opposite. 232 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: Side, and so I don't know if it was trying 233 00:18:30,279 --> 00:18:34,960 to communicate back and forth, like surely you know, they 234 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:35,839 knew we were there. 235 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: But it was strange, you know, hearing that there was 236 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,119 you know, possibly one here and then one over there. 237 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,440 As well, and in this location we had also had 238 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:56,160 rocks thrown at us. Like we had. It was like 239 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,799 this big hill and then we had all the cars 240 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:04,920 lined up beside it, and we always face it outwards, 241 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,319 so if we have ever had to get back in 242 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:12,079 the car and go, we could go. And we were 243 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,839 just sitting there and you know, a rock would roll 244 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,279 in and then you could hear, you know, rock hit 245 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:22,000 the car and Sheila at the time, she had a 246 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:27,160 slingshot and she wasn't trying to aim at where it 247 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,599 was coming from. It was almost like this playful thing 248 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,000 going on. She would get, you know, find a little 249 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:38,400 rock and then aim at kind of the opposite direction. 250 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,759 And that went on for like a good thirty or 251 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:49,599 forty minutes. You know, we didn't really feel any bad 252 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,200 vibes from that. It just almost felt playful in a way. 253 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,440 And as we were getting ready to leave, on the 254 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:06,079 side of the hill, we found a river rock rolled 255 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:12,119 in red clay and it was it was sitting on 256 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,680 her uh I'm not sure what you call. It's just 257 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:22,119 the metal overhang of her wheel. And we found that 258 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:29,920 pretty cool, maybe almost as a gift, like, you know, hey, 259 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,920 thanks for playing rocks. With me or something, and we 260 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:37,480 all thought that that was kind of cool, and she 261 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:42,000 has that in her carryo cabinet to this day. I 262 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:48,319 do have. This is one other story. We were out 263 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:54,720 riding four service roads and we were fairly close to 264 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:58,720 a certain part of the Appalachian Trail, so we decided 265 00:20:58,759 --> 00:21:03,960 to get out and start hiking. And so we started 266 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,839 hiking down its four service road and we were going 267 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:13,319 to turn and go through this field and get to 268 00:21:13,559 --> 00:21:17,960 the Appalatrian Trail. And you know, we had our thermal 269 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:23,640 going and everything, and we got to the field and 270 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,000 the field is sort of on an incline and where 271 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,839 this hill is, you couldn't see the trees over it. 272 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,000 All you could see was, you know, a backdrop of 273 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:40,000 the sky. And we saw something on the hill. It 274 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:43,359 looked like it was slightly over the hill. You could 275 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:48,519 see it sort of peeking out and it would raise 276 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,799 up and then it would sort of crouch back down 277 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:58,440 behind that hill and did that multiple times. And the 278 00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:01,880 times that it did you could tell that it had 279 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:08,440 you know, distinctive head and shoulders. So we decided to 280 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:14,640 walk up there and check things out. Couldn't find anything, 281 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,279 although when we came back the next morning we could 282 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:25,319 tell right right where we had seen it. It had 283 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,200 left a left a little surprise for us, probably the 284 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,559 biggest little surprise I've ever seen, you know. We we 285 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,279 tried to document a lot of things. I know quite 286 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,920 a few of the people that were there have have pictures, 287 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:49,160 size comparisons all that might even have thermal imaging pictures, 288 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:54,160 but that was one in a stance. But the times 289 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,680 that I looked through the thermal with the with the 290 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,559 skies the backdrop, you could definitely make out the head 291 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:05,240 shape and a shoulder shape, like both shoulders standing up 292 00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:13,119 and then crouching back down. Mhm. Right around that same area, 293 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,799 we were out hiking doing doing what we do, and 294 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,519 the team had, uh, they had spotted something off to 295 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:32,960 the left at this rock and they're trying to figure 296 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,359 out what it was, you know, if it was another 297 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,039 forced animal. So we had a couple of thermals on it, 298 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,039 and there was a really big rock off to the left, 299 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,319 probably about I don't know, I guess he's safe forty 300 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:54,759 or fifty feet and you could tell something was peaking 301 00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:59,720 up from behind it. And Scott and one of his 302 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,920 and sons decided to go walking towards it, because sometimes, 303 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,799 you know, if you if we see something out there, 304 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,960 he'll try to start walking towards it. So someone with 305 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,240 a thermol can kind of see see it run off 306 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,599 and see what it is. And so that's what he 307 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,640 was going to do. So they started walking towards it, 308 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,680 and as they did, it sort of disappeared. And they 309 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,640 were out there and they couldn't figure out where it went. 310 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:40,039 And Scott he had he had turned to his right 311 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:47,680 and he saw it. He saw something crouched down, and 312 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,279 he said when he shined his light on it, it 313 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:57,400 looked behind him across his shoulder and put his hand 314 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:03,599 up to block the light, and then it looked back 315 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,759 and kept doing what it was doing. And he said, 316 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,359 it looked like he had caught something, like it was 317 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,960 trying it was eating something. And Scott said, you know, 318 00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:22,240 he got really unnerved because normally things get up and run, 319 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,039 and this thing wasn't. It was it was staying his ground. 320 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,720 And so he him and his friend's son started to 321 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,960 back out as slowly as possible. And that was one 322 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:46,119 of the more intense moments. And I do have one 323 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,799 other story, and I haven't really told this one because 324 00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:57,920 I wasn't really one hundred percent sure. But we were 325 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,079 driving from one Hi can O patient to the next, 326 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,720 and you know, I was looking out the window just 327 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:12,400 you know, enjoy nature. And we had went around this 328 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:17,160 big curve and down in the valley it looked like 329 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:25,079 a shape was sort of forming. I was almost questioning 330 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:30,920 what I was seeing, but like there was still leaves 331 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,319 in the valley floor, like you know, brown and dead 332 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:43,839 leaves and whatever. This was looked cinnamon in color, and 333 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,839 you know, it looked like the shape of a bigfoot. 334 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:49,839 And then I figured, well, if it's just how the 335 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,240 light is hitting it, then by the time we make 336 00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:57,319 it around this curve, it will have changed. It'll look different, 337 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:01,920 you know, if if it's just shadow play pretty much. 338 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,880 But it didn't. The shape stayed exactly the same. You 339 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,400 could see the head and the shoulders and it was 340 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,480 just staring like right at us. And you could tell 341 00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:25,200 as we went around this curve and went up it, 342 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,440 it was like it's its body was kind of turning 343 00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,039 with us, like it was watching us, but it wasn't 344 00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:38,799 like moving. And you know, I I was pretty kind 345 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,759 of quiet at the time. I was kind of shy, 346 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,680 and I didn't really, you know, I didn't really yell 347 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,880 it out or anything. I just like, you know, I 348 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,880 think I see something, but I guess they didn't really 349 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,039 hear me. They and you kept driving, and so I 350 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,640 just kept watching it. But yeah, I'm not really not 351 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,279 really sure you know, what I saw, But I figured 352 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,720 if it was just a trick of a light, it 353 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:12,359 would have changed with the positioning of the sunlight and everything. 354 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 3: You became a member of Squatch Fishing Outfitters in twenty 355 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,640 twenty two. Had you wanted to be a Sasquatch investigator 356 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,519 for some time before that, or was that more of 357 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,880 a spur of the moment type of thing for you. 358 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: No, Honestly, that was like a spur of the moment 359 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,680 kind of thing all my life. I mean, I was 360 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,799 into ghosts, but I wasn't into bigfoot or any other 361 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:43,960 cryptid things. I barely knew anything about it, and I 362 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,119 was looking for pretty much just people to go out 363 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,920 and go camping with, because I wanted to get out 364 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,880 there and enjoy nature. And I was just tired of 365 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,480 waiting for the right people to come, so I thought 366 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,480 I would find them. And then my aunt one day 367 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:05,960 she showed me a Facebook post of Scott and Sheila, 368 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,440 and they were doing their very first expedition, and she 369 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,400 thought I'd be interested in it, but I don't think 370 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,359 she thought that I would actually take it seriously. But 371 00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:23,160 with how I was thinking at the time, just wanting 372 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:29,440 to just get out there, I took it. And so 373 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:33,000 here I was, you know, a young girl trapsing off 374 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,039 into the middle of the woods to meet random people. 375 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,359 And I always told them, you know, I guess, well, 376 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,759 if they were serial killer, I could just turn around 377 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:43,079 and leave. 378 00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:44,079 Speaker 4: I guess. 379 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,319 Speaker 1: I was trying to take that chance, that risk, to 380 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,279 just get out there and meet people with, you know, 381 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,359 because I'm sure that there's a lot of people there 382 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,440 that you know, liked hiking and camping and wanting to 383 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,799 be out and I was just trying to, you know, 384 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:08,519 broaden my horizons. And I wasn't really opposed or turned 385 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:11,440 off to the idea of bigfoot. I thought it was 386 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,519 kind of interesting, and so you know, I wanted to 387 00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:18,279 give it a try. And on the first expedition, they're like, 388 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,279 we're adopting you now. So we met a lot of 389 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:22,880 good people. 390 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you did. You have both Scott 391 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,720 and Chila. They are good people, So I'm glad you're 392 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,119 able to hook up with them now. Haley, There's definitely 393 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,400 a difference between thinking that sasquatch might be out there 394 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,799 and knowing they are after seeing them more than one time. 395 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,079 When you're laying in your tent all by yourself late 396 00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:48,160 at night, are you laying there more with the mindset that, oh, 397 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,559 there's sasquatch out there possibly, or more so, oh there 398 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:54,119 might be sasquatch out there. 399 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's all footing games until you see one, 400 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,759 or you see something that you can't explain, and then 401 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,200 it sort of turns your world upside down. You know, 402 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,119 when you're younger, you believe in everything, and I'd gotten 403 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,039 to the point where I didn't really believe in too much. 404 00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:15,720 But then when you get out there and you start 405 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:20,319 seeing things you can't really explain, it kind of changes 406 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:23,480 things for you. And when I saw that thing on 407 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:28,319 the thermal, you know it it was a humanoids shaped it. 408 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,279 You know, it looked just like you know, the profile 409 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:35,640 of a bigfoot taken off from tree to tree, and 410 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,960 it was set on our thermals were set on white hot, 411 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:43,039 so this figure was completely white. You know, if it 412 00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:47,279 was someone with clothes. Sometimes you can tell a difference 413 00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,799 between their skin and the clothes, but this figure was 414 00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:57,880 like completely white, you know, white hot, And I remember 415 00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,920 there in my tent. I was actually dreaming about it 416 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,839 before I got woken up, I guess, because it kind 417 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,839 of got etched into my mind. You know, in my dream, 418 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,079 I was seeing that white figure off into the woods, 419 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:15,799 and then got woken up by the loud thing. 420 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,759 Speaker 3: I'll bet that I really got your modor run then, yeah, 421 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,640 it did well beyond that, I don't doubt that at all. Now, 422 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720 when you saw that cinnamon colored figure when you're driving, 423 00:32:29,759 --> 00:32:32,519 he said it was downslope from you. How sure are 424 00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:35,000 you that it really was a creature and not some 425 00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,440 inanimate thing like a log or something. 426 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,039 Speaker 1: Well, the only reason why I saw to take that 427 00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:47,240 as a siding. I don't say it very often, just 428 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,880 because I'm not one hundred percent sure. But it was 429 00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,279 an upright figure. It wasn't like it was laying down. 430 00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:59,480 And if I had seen it just from one perspective, 431 00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,440 I would probably have just written written it off. But 432 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:11,119 we were moving, and normally maybe if you see the 433 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:16,079 light creating something that looked like something else, you know, 434 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720 if you go around the corner and you change your 435 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,319 perspective of it, you know, it changed, it looked different, 436 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:26,599 But this this thing didn't. And it looked. 437 00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 4: Like like I could I could see the shoulders in 438 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,880 the head, and I could tell like it had a 439 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,000 little bit of gray on its face, but it was 440 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:42,079 mainly cinnamon colored, and it looked like, you know, the 441 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,960 whole body was sort of turning to. 442 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:50,279 Speaker 1: Stay faced towards the car, but it wasn't moving any 443 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:51,559 other part of its body. 444 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 3: I appreciate your reluctance to jump to conclusions, but playing 445 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640 the devil's advocate here, if it was a creature that 446 00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:03,400 was cinnamon colored like that, and it seemed to be 447 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,920 turning to follow you, to watch you as you're driving 448 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,360 down the road, if it wasn't a sasquatch, what could 449 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:10,960 it have been? 450 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: Honestly, I have no idea other than an extremely brilliant 451 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,840 trick of the light. I wouldn't know. 452 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 3: Well, I've got my own opinions about that. From what 453 00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,960 you describe it, I think he saw a sasquatch. But 454 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:33,440 that's just me. 455 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,519 Speaker 1: It's just me. 456 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 3: Please tell us one thing that most people don't know 457 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,199 about what it's like to be a sasquatch investigator. 458 00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: Well, a lot of people, you know, they they think, oh, 459 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,920 we're going to go out there and we're going to 460 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,840 see all this kind of stuff. But a lot of 461 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,280 times it's not really the case. You know, there's been 462 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,280 multiple times that we've been out there and literally nothing 463 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,320 has happened. Granted we have a great time, have great food, 464 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,400 but you know, you always kind of after you get 465 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,519 a little bit of a taste, you always kind of 466 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,480 want a little something to happen. You know, you don't 467 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,079 want to be so scared you don't want to come back. 468 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,360 But it's always kind of exciting thinking you're going to 469 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:27,480 learn a little bit more about the unknown. But it 470 00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,679 just doesn't happen every time. 471 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:33,159 Speaker 3: It's got to be almost like a drug. It's almost 472 00:35:33,199 --> 00:35:34,400 like you can't get enough of it. 473 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, well, some people they get you know, 474 00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:43,320 they experience something and they never want to go back 475 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,719 into the woods. And then other people it is like 476 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,679 a drug where they want to keep going back out 477 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,679 and it's a curiosity. And I guess I haven't been 478 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,320 scared enough. There might be one day where I don't 479 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,119 want to set foot back into the woods. But it 480 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:06,400 hasn't come yet, but I definitely view going out into 481 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,760 the woods differently now. Before you know, when you think, oh, 482 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,000 it's just bears and mountain lions and coyotes and all that, 483 00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:20,280 you know, that's one thing. But to know about this 484 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,199 whole other, you know, a whole other side of things 485 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,400 is different. And I always wanted to like the app 486 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,400 letch and trail by myself, but after all this, I'm 487 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,920 highly reconsidering that. Like, I definitely won't go out there 488 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,000 by myself. 489 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:42,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be a good thing because I'm pretty 490 00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:44,519 sure that not all sasquatch or friendly. 491 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I've heard quite a few stories that will 492 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:57,039 make a question. You know what side you know bigfooter on? 493 00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:58,239 You know, good and bad? 494 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's like anything else, there's a balance. 495 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,159 You have good ones, you have bad ones. So yeah, 496 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,360 you come across the wrong one, you could have trouble. 497 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:14,639 You really could. When you had your first sasquatch related experience, 498 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,599 you wound up trying to speed walk away from the sasquatch. 499 00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:22,519 You said, after having that experience, did you ever contemplate 500 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,239 throwing in the towel With regards to your investigations or 501 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,599 the thoughts like that never crossed your mind. 502 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:35,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I after that, I didn't need a little bit 503 00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,360 of time before I got back out there, just because 504 00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:42,880 you know, I wasn't really sure what had happened, and 505 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,840 I needed time to process that and just sort of, 506 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,440 you know, remembering the detail and trying to work through 507 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,440 it all to make some sort of sense of it helps. 508 00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,639 And there's a lot of questions that I don't have 509 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,679 answers to, and I've always wondered, you know, if I had, 510 00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,639 you know, peeped out of my tent, what I would 511 00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:16,079 have seen. But I was honestly too afraid to move 512 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,519 or make any noise. And in a way, I'm kind 513 00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,599 of glad I didn't look see that. 514 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 3: Right, there is something that in a way I can 515 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,239 understand it, But in another way, I guess I never will. 516 00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,000 You've got people who spend untold amounts of money to 517 00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:37,000 go into the field and try to seek out sasquatch. Well, 518 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,199 I mean, I've heard a case after a case after 519 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,960 a case where investigators like that wind up having an 520 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,119 experience where there's a sasquatch right there, such as right 521 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:52,239 outside the tent, but they're so afraid they don't want 522 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,000 to look out there, But that's why they're there in 523 00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:58,800 the first place, was to have a sasquatch encounter. Now, again, 524 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,119 human nature is nature, It's what it is, and I 525 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,320 get it. I understand when fear takes a hold. Yeah, 526 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,840 I can understand having a situation like that. But what 527 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,639 are your thoughts on that? Were you frustrated because you 528 00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:15,239 were there to investigate sasquatch but you were so afraid 529 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,199 that you couldn't look out the tent. Again, I don't 530 00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:20,840 blame you, I understand it, but I'm just wondering where 531 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:21,679 you're frustrated. 532 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: Yes, I was pretty frustrated. But you know, when you're 533 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,760 in a situation like that, you think you're going to 534 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,760 do one thing and then something else happens. And all 535 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,480 I can say is that when you're scared, instincts override curiosity. 536 00:39:41,639 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 3: Oh, no doubt. 537 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. 538 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 3: I mean, like Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan 539 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,800 until they get hit, and you got hit that night. 540 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 If you've had a Bigfoot sighting and will like to 541 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,039 be a guest, please go to bigfootie witness dot com 542 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,039 and let me know did Scott and Shield and know 543 00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,679 the sasquatch? It was in camp that night while it 544 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,760 was messing around with your tent or were they dead 545 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,679 to the world and. 546 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:10,639 Speaker 1: Oblivious they were in See, I was in a tent 547 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,639 and they were in a camper, So when you're in 548 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,880 a camper, you can't hear as much as you can 549 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,039 in the tent. And when I go out camping, I 550 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,159 sleep very lightly. Normally I'm a very deep sleeper, but 551 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:28,159 when I'm out there, I don't feel comfortable enough to 552 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,480 fall into that deep sort of sleep. And so I 553 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:37,639 think that's why I woke up so easily. And I was, 554 00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,960 you know, hanging on to that key fob, and I 555 00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,320 often wonder, you know, if I had hit that, what 556 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,000 would have happened, because you know, they always said, you know, 557 00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:50,199 if you need us, hit your keyfob, you know, make 558 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,920 your car alarm go off and we'll come out see 559 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,320 what's going on. But you know, on one hand, I 560 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960 didn't want them if it was something dangerous, I didn't 561 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,679 want them walking into it as well. Now, if it 562 00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:06,400 had started coming in onto my tent, I would have 563 00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:10,880 hit it, but you know I had to my left, 564 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,800 I had their spray, I had a knife. I was 565 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,880 running through all these situations where like you know, if 566 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,599 it started coming into my tent, Am I gonna spray it? 567 00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:22,679 Am I gonna knife it? What am I gonna do? 568 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,039 You know? But it was all I did was just 569 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,360 stay as still as possible. And I don't know if 570 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,360 it's because I couldn't move or because I mean I 571 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,719 was all I was doing was just laying there shaking. 572 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 3: Oh, but you were, Yeah, I can't even imagine the 573 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,199 thoughts I must have been going through your ad and 574 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,599 understandably so, when you go out on investigations with Scott 575 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,360 and Sheila, do you have radios where if you needed 576 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,239 to raise them you could without using the keyfob, or 577 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,719 you just strictly use the keyfob if it's an emergency 578 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,880 and you don't have the means to do that. 579 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,639 Speaker 1: Well, normally we have walkie talkies and we'll use those 580 00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:10,280 when we're out hiking, Like from the group that stays 581 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,679 at the camp and the ones that go hiking. There's 582 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,639 only been a few times where I've had a walkie 583 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,199 on me, you know, laying on and ready to use 584 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:24,920 in my tent normally, because I try to stay close 585 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,719 within everyone. I don't like to be, you know, off 586 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:35,639 on the far reaches just because I feel safeer, you know, 587 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,639 closer to people. 588 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's awfully admirable if you've had more 589 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,920 than one frightening experience out there, but you keep on 590 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:45,559 heading back into the woods. I mean, most people would 591 00:42:45,559 --> 00:42:49,079 have thrown into the towel a while ago, but not you. 592 00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:52,199 You keep heading in and like I said, that's awfully impressive. 593 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I haven't. I guess I haven't 594 00:42:56,039 --> 00:43:02,239 been scared enough yet. Now I've been scared, but I 595 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,840 don't know. I guess it's just going to take for 596 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,440 something to get me while I'm out there. I don't know. 597 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,760 But it's definitely, you know, a curiosity factor, because you know, 598 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,920 I came in not really knowing anything about bigfoot or cryptids, 599 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,239 and you know, you start learning about one thing and 600 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,000 it kind of leads to you, you know, down this 601 00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,800 rabbit hole. And I've been trying to be very I've 602 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,400 been trying to be very picky about sort of rabbit 603 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,880 holes that I go down. I mean, I want to 604 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:39,000 keep a very unbiased opinion. I want to go out 605 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:45,519 there and make my own opinion of these experiences. 606 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,039 Speaker 3: You mentioned rabbit holes. When you go on these outings, 607 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,079 do you have the mindset that you're trying to investigate 608 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,599 creatures that don't have any special abilities, or do you 609 00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:59,760 think they do have abilities above and beyond a normal creature. 610 00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:08,760 Speaker 1: Well, from what I've experienced, I believe that they do 611 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,960 have some sort of abilities that we are not quite 612 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,280 aware of. Like you know, there's always you know, the 613 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,519 separation between flesh and blood or inter dimensional or different, 614 00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:30,119 you know, something different about them. And while they leave 615 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:38,639 physical evidence like footprints, fingerprints, hair, and you can hear 616 00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:42,679 them and everything like that, there's also you know, these 617 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:50,480 other times that you know where the footprints disappear, and 618 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:54,800 then there's a lot of times where you know, you 619 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:59,920 see when there's orbs as well. And I think energy 620 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:04,800 has a lot to do with these creatures, but I'm 621 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,039 not exactly sure how or why. So I mean, that's 622 00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,440 just the conclusion that I've come to. 623 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 3: There are a lot of credible eyewitnesses out there who've 624 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,159 reported seeing these guys do things that are just exceptional 625 00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,440 things that a normal flesh and blood animal would never 626 00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:27,559 be able to do. So it really does make you wonder. 627 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,000 It really does. Now when you go into the field 628 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,320 with squatch fishing outfitters, do you do some more to 629 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,559 enjoy yourself out there in the woods, or more so 630 00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,679 to learn all you can about Sasquatch. 631 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: Well, I when I go out into the woods, I 632 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,679 really number one. I do it just to be with friends, 633 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,639 be out in the woods and just put my phone 634 00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:02,679 down and be present, because you know, with how things 635 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:08,840 are these days, it's very hard to be present. And 636 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,400 that's one thing I really like about going on these 637 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,079 expeditions is that it just really grounds you into what's happening. 638 00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:23,280 But also you know the curiosity of it all. You know, 639 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:29,559 I've always loved to explore, and this feels like, you know, 640 00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:33,920 breaking new grounds and you know, who knows what you're 641 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,599 gonna find your experience each time you go out there. 642 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,159 Speaker 3: I can definitely understand those sentiments. I mean, after all, 643 00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,079 a bad day in the woods beats a good day 644 00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,760 in the office any day. So I get it, I 645 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,840 really do. Do you ever get so hung up on 646 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,400 the investigatory side of outings that you wind up forgetting 647 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,480 to just enjoy yourself out there? 648 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:04,440 Speaker 1: No, each time we go out there, I really enjoy myself. Now, 649 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:09,639 if we had a certain encounter that that was pretty rough, 650 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:17,400 are very perplexing it can sometimes put a damper on things, 651 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,559 but also you know that's what you're out there for, 652 00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:24,719 so it can be a little bit exciting even though 653 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,239 you don't think you have, you know, any new pieces 654 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,440 of data. It's just another story to add to the pot, 655 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,880 you know, to It's like these little pieces that we 656 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:44,360 hope can come together to one day see the big picture. 657 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:52,320 And I think that's really the key to figuring a 658 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,360 lot of this out is, you know, taking all these 659 00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,199 little pieces and then you know, seeing what picture. Sure 660 00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:02,639 it's making well. 661 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:04,760 Speaker 3: Piece by piece. It sounds like you guys are putting 662 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,760 the puzzle together. Now. I know a lot of people 663 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,159 listening to tonight's show don't realize that Squatch Fishing Outfitters 664 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:16,360 doesn't just do field investigations by themselves for people who 665 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,679 want to have an experience themselves. They can also accommodate 666 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,039 those people as well. What more can you tell us 667 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,840 about that? And how someone who wants to go out 668 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,679 with you on and out and can do so? 669 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 1: Well, we're on Facebook and Undersquatch Fishing Outfitters and you 670 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,760 know they can contact Scott or Sheila if they want 671 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,280 to go. We have you know a few spots left 672 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,440 this year. And for the people that don't think they 673 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,800 can do this, they don't think they can hike. You know, 674 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:55,159 there there's been people that can't really walk that well 675 00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:57,639 that go out with us. You know, that's why we 676 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,199 kind of split off. As long as you can get 677 00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:03,920 in a car and get out of a car, you're 678 00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:07,840 pretty pretty good. We're not really that far from our cars. 679 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,400 The places that we pick, granted, are deep into the woods, 680 00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:17,559 but we're always right by our car. And so if 681 00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,480 you don't want to go hiking out in the woods 682 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,400 a couple of miles, you can always stay with the 683 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,840 group that stays around the campfire. A lot of times 684 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,000 the people around the campfire get more activity than the 685 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,119 ones hiking, because it seems like they're very curious creatures. 686 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,800 And the more you just sit around and you talk 687 00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,079 and you make noise, it seems to draw that curiosity. 688 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,760 Speaker 3: It's funny how that works, isn't It seems like in 689 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,800 a lot of cases, when you sit around the fire, 690 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,000 you have better luck than the people who head into 691 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:57,079 the woods. But then again, it seems like if you 692 00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,119 want to have an encounter, it's best just to let 693 00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:03,079 them find you. Start to trying to find them. So, yeah, 694 00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:06,280 that's just how it is. You've got an expedition coming 695 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,239 up when work, can you tell us about that? 696 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:15,360 Speaker 1: Well, we have one coming up in two weeks. It's 697 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,920 going to be an expedition with Maria Mayor and rest 698 00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:26,400 Acord from Expedition Bigfoot. We're taking them and about twenty 699 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,440 people out into the woods for the weekend and we're 700 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,440 going to be their hosts and we'll see how it goes. 701 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,719 I'm very excited to you know, learn from them and 702 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,440 what they'd bring to the field. And so that's that's 703 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:51,800 it's very exciting. I've been planning for weeks, you know, 704 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:58,079 getting everything ready and and all that. We also have 705 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,320 one coming up and got a few others throughout the year. 706 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,199 Speaker 3: And if anyone's wondering about going out with these people 707 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:08,920 but you're not sure how it would be to interact 708 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,519 with them, trust me when I tell you this is 709 00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,800 my first time interacting with Haley, but I've interacted with 710 00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:19,199 Scott and Shila before. All of these investigators are really 711 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,639 nice to talk with and to interact with. Yeah, if 712 00:51:22,679 --> 00:51:25,079 your concern is if you're going to bump into a 713 00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:27,480 jerk that's on the outing, you shouldn't have to worry 714 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,360 about that at all. They're really nice people. They really 715 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,840 are well. Having said that, Haley, I can't thank you 716 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,400 enough for coming on to share those experiences with this. 717 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,159 I really appreciate it. Then, yeah, I'm going to have 718 00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,440 a link. I'm going to get with Scott and Sheila 719 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,159 and I'm going to post a link to advertise that 720 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,840 expedition at the end of the month, actually I guess 721 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,840 it's May first through the third. I'm going to have 722 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,880 a link posted in the description for tonight's shows so 723 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,760 that anyone who's listening who wants to go, if they 724 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,599 still have any outings that is, you can just follow 725 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,719 that line to get more info. But having said that, 726 00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:05,480 like I said, thanks again so much for your timing. 727 00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:15,239 Have a great night. That's it for another episode of 728 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,480 Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had a 729 00:52:19,559 --> 00:52:22,000 sasquatch encounter and would like to be a guest on 730 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,119 the show, please go to Bigfoot Eyewitness dot com and 731 00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:29,440 submit a report. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks 732 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:36,440 for listening, Have a great night.