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a great show for you as always. What a tremendous season.
What a tremendous season. Great way to finish. I think
every game matters. I think Bowl games matter. I think
the opponents matter in those bowl games as well. When
you beat a ranked opponent. You finished the season twelve
and two.
Speaker 3: It's only the.
Speaker 1: Fifth time you've had that type of productivity on the
football field in BAU football history. You're gonna end up
possibly as a top ten team in college football at
the end when the dust settles in the college football
playoff world. That's one of the best seasons in BWA
football history. And I think it's probably your top five
season in BWAU football history, considering the strength of schedule,
considering that you lost your starting quarterback in the summer
months leading up to kickoff, Considering that you're in year
three at the Big twelve and your only lost to
loss is to the eventual very well could be the
eventual national champion in college football right now, currently the
fourth ranked team in college football Texas Tech. You combine
all of those elements and you can't help but be
full of gratitude if you're.
Speaker 3: A BYU fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can take the negative approach. You can take
the non kline approach right and say you have all
manner of weeping, wailing and national teeth and say, you know,
we've we've been discriminated against. Right everything, everyone's against us.
It's us versus the world, or you can be grateful, man,
and I choose to be grateful here because BYU got
three top twenty five wins this season, and I think
it was like six of the teams that they played,
they had almost nine plus wins. You had bull eligible
teams across the entire entirety of the strength of the schedule.
You have one of the most difficult schedules in BYU
football history and in college football this year.
Speaker 3: And you did all that.
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunately the people that made the decision to
leave by out of the College Football Playoff, they have
to live with the resultier maybe you know, they have
to live with with their conscience. Okay, And I think
those that watched this game, led by a bear Bachmeyer
that was eighty to maybe eighty five percent healthy, you
didn't have your best offensive player in LJ. Martin, and
you didn't have your best defensive player in Jack Kelly,
and you found a way to win in a neutral
site that seemed like it was probably more of a
home game for Georgia Tech. Like I know, there's a
lot of BYU fans that went out there, and we'll
get confirmation about maybe the partition of fans how it
was bifurcated, but it seemed like that was more of
a home game maybe for Georgia Tech. Congratulations for Alicia Dalley's.
What a tremendous season to this bya Cougar football team
and this coaching staff. Success breeds chaos in college football, though,
and you're seeing a little bit of that. You're seeing
the coaching carousel starting to fire up after a tremendous
sea And so it's a blessing to talk about the
college football chaos and the coaching carousel. We're gonna delve
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I can introduce you to my co host and the
rest of the star set of cast joining us for
this Monday, December twenty ninth edition of Cougar Sports.
Speaker 3: Is welcome in first, foremost.
Speaker 1: Right off the plane. He came in to Orlando, I
believe late last night or early this morning. Let's welcome
in Ronald the three man Weaver. Ronnie, how is Orlando?
How you feel it? Uh?
Speaker 4: Orlando was great. We'll start there.
Speaker 5: I have I'm sorry this might sound terrible, but I
was looking at to apply for food jobs while I
was down there.
Speaker 4: You know, I tried some good food.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: Look, nothing might make you want to change your career
and be in a place like Orlando. Because of the weather,
That's what I'm saying. I'm saying the weather was gorgeous.
I saw people with their golf clubs. I drove by
a course, didn't play. I'm not in the budget but man,
oh goodness, gracious, Ben, I mean sitting by the pool
cutting up sound.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can't ask for anything better.
Speaker 5: I'm all pop tart out, Ben, I can't eat another
pop tart. I have some for you, I have some
for Red. I'll pass them out, but I have the
I have a lot of gent lag for sure. But hey,
I'll get some sleep tonight once the show is over.
But man, I love the East Coast. I love Florida. Man,
there's nothing wrong about it. Network with a lot of people,
and looking forward to that UCF game BYU versus UCF
next year in Orlando.
Speaker 1: Yes, indeed Orlando. It's a great place. Bau fans love.
They shut up show. What was the split in the
amongst the fan bases? Was it more of a Georgia
Tech home game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was more of a Georgia Tech homing I
would to go, you know, sixty forty. If you wanted
to go fifty five to forty five, I could hear
that argument. I wouldn't go you know, lower than that,
But I think sixty forty definitely more Georgia Tech fans
I got. But these are the nicest fans. I sat
on the side with all the Georgia Tech people. I
didn't sit with the other Beat writers and look the hospitality,
the kindness, the niceness. These people are asking questions about
Bear just genuine football people to talk about Georgia Tech.
And I wish we'd have maybe put in this request,
but the opportunity to get to know Haines King's story
and who he is. Like, literally, this Georgia Tech team
is a reflection of BYU. It might I'm not gonna
say it's the bau of the ACC but in terms
of how Brent Key wants to run his program and
the guys that they have, and how Haines carries himself
and his team there that way, this is a very
humble team, hardworking, built on the core foundation principles. Like
in that press conference I was in Friday Been it
was less about football and about I'm preparing young men
that they need to get a four year degree. That
this is the highest GP on the team. You could
tell that Brent Key and Kalani are aligned in that
principle and in that regard. So I love that he
got a five year extension. I feel he's the right
man for the job. But I'm a big fan of
Georgia Tech and the Yellow Jackets. They're good football team,
they got great media members, great program, great athletes.
Speaker 4: So I enjoyed myself.
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's good that Ba's building these relationships
with people like the Texas Tech Red Raiders, you know,
good fan base on this very loving, you know. So
I hope that the school up north can you know,
take take you know, maybe some some loving lessons, you know,
and still pat their brother on the back. But Georgia
Tech fans was surprised that BAYU fans were so nice. Man,
I'm like, no, they're genuine, They're not. They mean that
when they say, hey, have a good game, we still
want to beat you. We hope you come out healthy.
Speaker 4: They mean that.
Speaker 5: So there's a there's a truth to the Big twelve
football players when they say that provob is a psychological
mind game because when BAU fans are being so nice,
they need but they still want to come out with
the dub two, no.
Speaker 3: Doubt about it.
Speaker 1: Thought thirty six thousand strong went out to World Camping
Stadium and half of those were you know, forty percent
of them BWAU fan shout out to Cougarnation printed out
to Orlando, Brett always bringing the hammer also in the
house that was welcome in Hammertime Show Hammer Time. How
the heck are you, buddy? How was your Christmas? How
was your weekend? How was the football game?
Speaker 6: Fun fact, the pop Tarts Bowl made me physically sick.
I uh, look, I felt like in order to get
in true spirit, since I wasn't going to Orlando, I
needed to buy a couple bucks to pop tarts, and
I did. The problem then became I went to the
gym before I watched the game, and I didn't eat.
So then when the game started, I was like, oh,
you know it, I'll have one right here as the
game started, and then the second quarter started and I said,
you know what, I could probably eat a couple more
of those, and by the time I just stayed them raw.
And so by the time the game had ended, I
had eaten I think either six or seven. And then
I had to film a video afterwards, and I put
my microphone on the pop tart and then I was
eating it as I was recording the video. So I
think I had eight pop tarts in a span of
like three to four hours, and I thought I was fine,
and then Sunday morning. I woke up and I was
not fine, and I was going through it on a
Sunday morning. So I'm happy that I ate enough pop
tarts for b YU to win, but I probably will
not be eating a pop tart again anytime.
Speaker 1: A huge fan of the pop tarts. It's like a
childhood staple. You know, you always wanted one, you want,
you wanted them every morning, et cetera. But like nutritional,
nutritionally speaking, not the most healthy thing. D No, definitely
fun thing, D yes, not the most healthy thing. If
you want to nurse the strength in your body, you
don't necessarily lean into the pop tarts. But uh, it
was fun and then fleeting, uh and uh, you know
it was good while while you tasted. That's right, tasted.
Not the following day. Guys, what a victory. What a
way to win. A lot of people were saying that
this game didn't matter a lot of people were saying, like, hey,
it doesn't matter this This season is still one of
the best in BUA football history to a degree. All
I understand that. But if you're a great football team
and almost an elite football team, even without your best
offensive player and your best defensive player. I think you
have to go out and beat a three loss ACC team,
and they did that. They beat him twenty five to
twenty one. What an exclamation point to a fantastic, just
legendary in my opinion, season. It was awesome the form
and fashion in which they rallied in the second half offensively, defensively,
and special teams. There was plenty of adversity in all
three phases of this game. Early on in the game,
byufens were saying, Jay Hills checked out.
Speaker 3: He's already on his way down harbor. He's going to Michigan.
Speaker 1: Ronald took a picture of him, you know, heading back
from the pregame, and we got all sorts of hate
and victriol, like, oh, hard hitting journalism, hard hitting journalism,
Jay Hill going back to the locker room. People were
just angry. They were miffed. The Cougar Nation was not
happy with the first half effort. People are saying all
manner of things about a Rod two and then you
had a muff kick by Cody Hagen and so then
Kelly's getting thrown under the bus too, and special teams.
You guys were spending too much time eating pop tarts.
Hanging out at disney World, Harry Potter World, Disneyland, et cetera.
Speaker 3: The Magic Kingdom.
Speaker 1: That game was not so magical in the first half,
being down twenty one to ten, and then the Cougar's
rallied and they showed their grit, showed their depth, showed
their playmaking ability. Bear Bachmeier hobbled a Grade two high
ankle sprayed just few weeks ago, and he had one
of his best performances in his career twenty seven eight,
three hundred and twenty five yards, eight point six yards
per attempt, one touchdown, one I in t and then
you had a slew of rushers that were trying to
find the way. Joevesa the Mooney A Rod had prognosticated
that Joe Vesso was gonna be a guy that they're
gonna lean on. Seven carries forty eight yards six point
nine yards per carry, one touchdown. Enich Noawahine came up
big ten carries three uh ten carries thirty two yards
three point two yards per carry. Parker Kingston at four
for twenty. I think you got to give some credit
to a Rod for the game plan. Carson Ryan was
featured tight end one. The tight end is back. You
can't throw a ron. He doesn't. Hopefully he doesn't have
to hear anything about how the tight end is never
utilized ever again. If he does come back to be
the OC again, hopefully he's been able to squash it's
it's squelch and just come and dissipate some of the hate.
And uh, it's it's the reason why he's probably you know,
taking a gander, like you're taking a gander and seeing
what's available out there.
Speaker 3: As an offense corner. He's taking calls right now.
Speaker 1: He's over the last six years, guys, Okay, over the
last since twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, he's been
a top twenty five offensive coordinator. Look at the offenses,
look at every single every single analytic offensively, he's been
a top twenty five OC in college football. Give him
his flowers. He does deserve to pay raise. And he
may be taking his talents elsewhere, and that'd be okay,
you got you know, I want him to stay. I
think he's been a tremendous OC. But I will say
that no matter what happens, Jay Hill leaves, Aaron Roders leaves,
others leave I still think the BYU brand under this
bastion of power fordom with resources that we've never had before.
Remember we've one more per dollar spent than any college
football team in the last fifty plus years. All will
be well, guys, all will be well. We're gonna be okay.
All is not lost, So be grateful. It was a
great game, great season. And now we figure out what
Jay Hill's gonna do, what what Aaron Rodgers gonna do,
because they deserve because of the success.
Speaker 3: We're a product. This situation is a product of success.
Speaker 1: So embrace it, ladies and gentlemen, embrace that cougarnation. If
we went nine to four, we wouldn't be in this
situation with Jay and a rod possibly leaving. But you'd
be like, ah, we we sucked this year. We're not
good enough this year. It was an okay, mech kind
of season. Maybe it was expected because you had a
true freshman quarterback. So embrace the chaos, embrace this situation,
Embrace the success and the repercussions that come from success.
Speaker 3: And maybe, just maybe you know there is there is
retention on the horizon.
Speaker 1: Fingers crossed right, Gregrenation, All right, why don't we get
into a guys checkut the rest of our ESPN the fan.
Let's actually, uh, let's get into the rest of our
ESPN the fans starting line of Kladiatake, Evan Johnson, Bear
Bachmeer post game sound shout out to Tanner Wall Carson.
Ryan will get into that as well, recapping the Georgia
Tech win. We'll get into a Kyle Winningham discussion later
on in the show.
Speaker 3: Who is he targeting? I just posted something on UH on.
Speaker 1: Twitter about the the individuals that he's currently targeting in
the college football coaching world, so check that out. We'll
welcome in Joel Marion, manager of Fan Experience and Marketing
of Men's Basketball, Manager of Marketing Analytics. We'll talk to
some BAU hoops at four o five, Jerem Jordan will
join us for a cougar bed at four thirty, Brady
Papinka at five o five, and then we'll hand the
mike over to UVU Men's Basketball at five thirty. So
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let's talk about the situation that BA He's in, shall we?
Jay Hill is being heavily targeted, and he's.
Speaker 3: Already taken a trip out to and Arbor.
Speaker 1: He's probably back in Utah now molling over the offer
that has been extended to him by Kyle Whittingham and
the University of Michigan.
Speaker 3: Level set here for a moment.
Speaker 1: Michigan is one of the premier brands of college football.
Anyone on the outside looking in would say you would
be insane to say no to Michigan. Unlimited resources, potential
for top twenty recruiting classes. If you go in and
put in the work, you got the big house, You
have everything at the tips of your fingers. With that,
you get into some of the highest expectations in college football.
If you missed the college Football Playoff for two years
in a row, you very well could be fired. So
you realize going in that it's essentially college football playoff
or bust. You're gonna have probably generational money. Obviously, Kyle
Whitingham getting paid I think as a base salary eight
million dollars with incentives. So congratulations, Kyle Whittingham get some
getting a nice fat check. And what does the OC
and DC get. What would Jay Hill get there? Probably
upwards at three to four million dollars, Like the highest
paid defensive coordinator in college football last year was over
three million dollars at Penn State.
Speaker 3: So he's probably going to get that.
Speaker 1: Why because you know of the relationship between he and
and Kyle. Because of what he's been able to accomplish
over the last two years, specifically at BYU back to
back top twenty five defensive units per sp plus twenty
first and twenty second respectively, it's been impressive, to say
the least. And he's recruited well too, and he has
players giving their testimonials, guys like Follows South to Wala
Tanner Wall expressing just how impactful he's been at BYU. Okay,
it's hard to turn down Michigan. Why would you turn
down Michigan? Why would you? Why wouldn't you go? If
you're Jay Hill, your mentor the person that brought you
up in this college football coaching game that you played
for while at he's your coach, he's your guy, he's
your dude. He played for him as a player at
the University of Utah. He calls you back into his
fold and says, hey, I want to pay you. I
want to give you an opportunity to feature, be featured
in the highest level of college football, and after two
years are probably a head coach in the Big ten,
in the SEC wherever you want to be Big twelve,
you're probably a head coach. And if you don't want
the head coaching job elsewhere, after five, six, seven years,
you're maybe the head coach in waiting at Michigan.
Speaker 3: How do you turn that down? Brett always bringing the hammer.
I you don't. That's the simple answer.
Speaker 6: Like I mean, even if Kyle Whittingham's not the head
coach at Michigan, even if it's Jim Harbaugh or Jetfish
or Kenny Dillingham, Jay Hill gets that call, I still
think you say yes. And not necessarily because it's any
kind of shot at BYU, but I think every person
sitting here in America right now, unless you are already
working at your dream job, if your dream job comes
calling and they come calling with more money than what
you're making right now, you can say whatever you want
to everyone you work.
Speaker 3: With, you're taking that job.
Speaker 6: And I think Michigan, especially the DC job at Michigan,
that is that job. Because when when NFL guys look
at collegiate coaches and say, who has a high enough
pedigree to come coach here or head coaching jobs at
some of the top schools in America. When those guys
are looking at hiring, there's coordinators they go to. And
those coordinators are at Georgia, they're at Alabama, they're at Oregon,
they're at Michigan, and they're at Ohio State. And so
it's really hard. Look, if Jay Hill goes, we're all
going to be bummed. But also, I don't think there's
a single honest BYU fan who can say, well, if
it was me, I would have stayed. Everything in the
world says this is the best possible gig for a
guy like Jay Hill, and he's earned it. And if
we're being real, have we ever seen a glow up
of anyone this fast in the sport? This guy was
the head coach at Weber State a couple of years ago,
and he's gone from a five year span to working
as a head coach at Weber State to the defensive
coordinator allegedly at the University of Michigan.
Speaker 3: It's a bummer, but that should be applauded.
Speaker 6: It is incredible work and he deserves it because he's
earned it.
Speaker 1: It's a combination of what you've done but also who
you know. Right this is one of those perfect combos. Ronald,
how do you say no to Michigan? If you're Jay Hill?
Why would he stay?
Speaker 4: You shouldn't stay.
Speaker 5: Look, the fans are not gonna like that, but I
don't care what they feel.
Speaker 4: There's nobody in this world.
Speaker 5: And if you are, then I really would ask I
would pray for you, and I would really ask you
to repent to yourself in your personal time. I'm serious.
I'm not I'm being serious. It's not joking. Well repents, Ben. Look, Ben,
you and I have talked about this offt record. Brett
and I have talked about this, and we're going to
discuss it now on record. If we are all doing
the same job that we're doing right now, and another
organization came and says, I'm going to double your pay,
I'm going to maybe, you know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. If he's doubling the pay right now,
I'm probably getting more.
Speaker 4: He's getting more money. But he's getting more money, though.
Speaker 1: So let's say let's talk about it for a moment.
So he's getting two million at BYU right now from
what I've been told, let's say he you know, so
last year, like I said, with the threshold for the
highest p defense cordinators three million dollars. So let's say
he's getting three million dollars. Brian Santiagu scene with Jay
Hill postgame at the Orland know pop tarts ball, right,
and I imagine that there would be a pay raise
on the docket for not only j but also a rod.
Everyone deserves a pay raise right now at BYU. What
would that be elevated to. Let's say, for argument, say
it's two point five million that Brian's willing to give
Jay Hill, or you can make three million. I don't
think it's three point five million I don't think it's
a million dollars more. I mean they could counter, but
I don't think the initial offers three point five million.
Speaker 3: You would be the highest paid DC in college football.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's what j Hill would have been had
Killane gone to Penn State. Maybe because Penn State was
like whatever it takes, they just wanted to close the deal. Okay, Well,
I don't want to lose Jay Hill to BYU being
the head coach. I gotta pay him four million, you know,
whatever it takes, right, So like maybe that could have happened.
Is he gonna get let's say, for arguments, say it's
a million dollars more? Is that enough just from a
monetary stamp point to make the move to Michigan? Knowing
you're in a glass bowl? You know what I mean
by that, They're at Michigan. Everything you do, everything you say. Yeah,
and to certainly at Byus that way, but like now
it's to the next level. Yeah, everything is scrutinized, everything
is criticized. Wink Martindale over the last two seasons has
put together consecutive top fifteen defenses in college football versus
one of the most difficult schedules in college football.
Speaker 3: The last two seasons.
Speaker 1: And there are some it's kind of a bifurcation of
fans and.
Speaker 3: Donors that like, yeah, week's not good enough? Are you
kidding me?
Speaker 1: They don't know what they're even watching sometimes, So what
I'm saying is like, is the I don't know if
it's just all about the money, and I don't know
if it's like I don't know if it's like earth
shattering like time times too money than what he would
get at Byus. What I'm going at day's competitive guy
it's not the highest end, but it's competitive. I mean
j Hill at two million a year last year, I
mean he's top ten defensive coordinator in pay maybe the
top ten coordinator across offensive and defensive coordinators in college football.
Speaker 3: It's right there, man, it's competitive.
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing. The first thing is the is
the pay raise.
Speaker 5: Looking anytime you get a pay raise from a job,
to keep doing what you're doing, Ben, we're all looking.
Speaker 4: That's my point.
Speaker 5: You mindset like you're taking again, you're taking a gander.
You're going to Anybody says, no, I'm not, you're lying.
That's what I mean. When I was trying to be
funny about the repent that like, if there was another
job that offered you know more of what it is.
I'm going to take a gander. I'm gonna get You're
gonna entertain its human nature.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make you a bad person. I don't want
people to think that. It doesn't make you a bad person.
If you work hard, Ben, you should get rasist, you
should get one. Right, it's a job.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 5: I worked hard, I got a raise. That that's how
it goes. That is not a bad thing. So I
just want to say that.
Speaker 4: First. Secondly, let's be honest. You're right, you are in
a glass bowl.
Speaker 5: But at the same time of being in that glass bowl,
the pro is and I hope I don't get in
trouble for saying you're handicapped at BYU. There's other things
that you have to deal with that you might not
deal with the Michigan Like you're gonna get unlimited, and
when I mean unlimited, you're not gonna have as many
barriers to jump through, right, and this might make people mad.
There's not an honor code at Michigan. So maybe that
four or five star that you're looking at you can
go get now that maybe you couldn't necessarily get here.
You know they're and that's that's that's a that's a factor.
There are other things that you don't necessarily have to
do at Michigan that you'd have to do at BYU
that would affect the recruiting of high level athletes. You
can maybe go get multiple guys within the room. I
don't know what that looks like. And you get into
a point now being of okay, what does that mean
for those on the roster that can also play at Michigan.
If j Hill, or to go who does he maybe
take or his coaches. All of that is encumbassed into it.
But I think Jay Hill's taking a look. I think
he should. I think that's the right thing. If it's
a million dollars that he's getting that some more money.
And look, the biggest thing is he said it, and
I can go find a clip he wants to be
a head coach again at some point. This sets him
up to be the next head coach of Wisconsin. I
told Brett that, I'm gonna say it on the radio,
Jay Hill, if he takes the Michigan job, this sets
him up to be, like you said, a head coach.
Whether that could be in Michigan, I don't know if
it would be the case, but a coach in the
Big ten. I think he would be a head coach
or Wisconsin or another one. And this that's exactly what
he should do. It's exactly what he should have been.
He's had top twenty defenses. He changed Bau's defensive landscape.
And if you're able to take if you're able to
take your scheme and do that at Michigan with the
recruits like and Michigan doesn't have a bad DC. But
I think Jay Hill is also up there. I think
he's just putting himself in a great position. And you're
following your coach, Ben. Look like I'm just gonna say
it right now, if you were to go somewhere, there's
a good chance that I'm following you too, right, That's
that's just how it goes. And I just want to
say that, like you follow you know the person that
you know gave you an opportunity that you coach. Like
if my coach in Rugby would have went to another university,
I'm probably would have up and left too. That's just
the nature of it. It's a relationship business in college.
I love that in st that way. I love that
has worked hard to put himself in this good position.
A tip his cap. Is it sad if he does
decide to go, absolutely been. I'm happy for him, his family.
I'm happy for BYU. This is good for BYU. I
know peoplere gonna say it's wrong, but for the fact
that they're getting poached with their coaches shows that you
have a good college football program.
Speaker 3: Ben.
Speaker 5: This is a good sign. Klanie will have to, you know,
work hard to get in the future. I love Colinie's
comments that he's been saying. We'll get into some of
them later. He's not gonna, I think, hold his coaches
back and that's what you do. And to flip it,
Ben'll finish on this long tangent. Basketball is gonna be
in the same position in a year or two. You're
gonna have the Will Voitz, You're gonna have the Tim
Fannings to Chris Burgess, John Lenehan's, the Brandan Dunsan's. Maybe
not all of those guys, but those guys are gonna
be poached. That's how it goes. When you're on a
good staff and you succeed, you get opportunities, you get
more money, and no one should be upset about that
at the end of the day. But you have Kilane
leading it the right way and I think he'll figure
it out. But I'm happy for this byu staff. It's
not often been that you can keep a staff like
this together. So this is a selling lebration. Don't be
sad and be down about it, you know, like Bin
Baywater said, be happy. Don't cry, you know, don't don't
cry that it didn't happen or whatever, but smile that
it happened something like that.
Speaker 4: But I'm happy for jayl I hope that he makes
the most of his opportunity.
Speaker 1: Michigan also had the eleventh beth roster in college football
this last year. I'm sure Kylewitingham is excited to get
his hands on the clay, and Ann Arbor and Jay
Hill would be equally excited to get his hands out
the clay. I think every coach wonders it's kind of
like the To me, it's the the high school coach
thinking that he can be a It's similar in form
and fashion a high school coach, high level high school
coach that thinks he can be a high level college
football coach. You see like Joey MacGuire become that. You
see Jeff Trailer at UTSA. You know, he got the
call up all of these coaches you mentioned Hammertime Show.
He was just at he was just at we were
State a few years ago, you know what I mean,
gets the assistant coach and DC, good job here, and
he's like, oh, well guess what, I'm a top twenty
five DC now an assistant head coach. Well, now, yeah,
I think I could be the best defensive coordinator of
the big ten.
Speaker 3: I also think I could be the best head coach
in college football.
Speaker 1: The uber competitive right that have ego and drive with
talent combined with emotional intelligence.
Speaker 3: That's he's got all. He's got it all.
Speaker 1: There's ego, drive, competitive nature, and emotional intelligence. So he's
not so abrasive. If you're a pure narcissist, you know,
then you you kind of push too many people. I
know what he wants to work with you in corporate
America or an he called football team. So he's got
all of those qualities that you want in a head
football coach at in the SEC, Big ten, big twelve, eighty,
wherever it's at, wherever he wants to end up. It's
it's hard for him to say no here when he
has this true belief in himself. I would give you
a psychological analysis of Jay Hill, and I gave you
a little bit there. I'm saying this out of experience.
I know what it's like to be a white defensive
back in a college football world that does not value
white defensive backs, especially at corner.
Speaker 3: They just don't.
Speaker 1: So whether you you agree with me or not on this,
I'm telling you like it's always you're not fast enough,
you don't have enough melon it, you're not talented enough,
you don't have fluid enough hips. You can't play this game.
You know you're you're not gonna make it in the NFL.
It's always all the things that you can't do. So
he's been told that as a player, and then in
the college football world, try being a defensive back coach,
a white defensive back coach, in a world that's it's
hard to compete against these very talented brethren that had
better collegiate and NFL careers than you, you know who
else and def Kirby Smart, I'm telling you brought like
you know what I mean, Like you know Nick Saban
coach the defensive back to album, Bro, I'm telling you,
like there is something psychologically like that that occurs within
a white defensive back, especially cornerback. Not safety, not safety,
not strong safety, not free safety.
Speaker 3: If you're a corner and you.
Speaker 1: You do not have the melanin like you, You're gonna
get passed up on like you are you are, You
are pushed away like you ain't good enough, bro. And
so he got passed up by Gary Anderson as DC.
Kaloni Sataki at d C Morgan Scalley, John P's of
DC and he goes to Weaver. Right, this guy, you know,
has that chip on his shoulder, and he knows he
can be the best or one of the best college
football coaches in the country. DC assistant head coach, head coach.
It is extremely hard for him to not take this job.
But you know what's keeping him here, you know, it's
getting he found out by is a little different, the
cult is a little different. He's never been to BYU guy,
you know, but he got a little taste of what
BYU is all about. The type of player he gets
the coach, the community right, the spiritual aspect too, right
and like the highlighting of discipleship and spiritual nature.
Speaker 3: He's part of. I think he's part of the high Council,
you know. In his stake, you.
Speaker 1: Get to surround yourself a guy like do you think
that Jay Hill thought that his his when he got
to be oo Oh, Tanner Wall is gonna be my
first team all Big twelve free safety for me. No,
He's like, now I gotta go get my guys. I
gotta go get dudes because BA doesn't have no talent.
And all of a sudden, he's he's got an All
Big twelve safety like, wow, wow, this is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: You know, this is crazy. You know, I think b
Yu is impacted.
Speaker 1: I think he pricked this hard a little bit, and
he's like, you know what, maybe I do want to
align with b Why we haven't heard an official netsmay.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen anything yet, Guys, I
haven't seen any.
Speaker 1: He's got an offer on the table, and it's a
it's a robust offer, it's an aggressive it's a it's
a fantastic offer.
Speaker 3: One that more, most pretty.
Speaker 1: Much ninety nine point nine percent of the college football
world is gonna say you, you are insane if you
turn this down. Why would he turn it down? Multifaceted?
I think he's I think he's loved his boy experience. Furthermore,
I think there's some pragmatic elements too. I'm gonna get
into it. I'm gonna give you, like the that was
kind of an a the emotional psychological component. I'm gonna
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I want to tell you a couple of things here
in our INDI segment about the reason why I think
pragmatically it may not be the right decision for j Hill,
even though the dollars and cents the opportunity, it just
makes sense right pun intended. It makes sense in a
number of ways because if you go out there and win,
I do think there's a possibility you become the head
coach in waiting at Michigan or you're you're pivoting that
after two three years of high level coaching and you're
you're the head coach of an SEC school, a Big
ten school, uh, a ACC school?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Does J Hill have a perfect fit for him? Like,
what's where's the perfect fit for J Hill to coach?
We've been around him for how many years now, guys three,
you've got to know him.
Speaker 3: You've heard him time and time again.
Speaker 1: Is he a coach that can go anywhere and win
or does he have a preference.
Speaker 3: Of who he is? Right?
Speaker 1: The type of player that he's going to recruit to
a particular a particular place geographically, culturally speaking, that would
be just a perfect fit. Remember Bronco Menne Hall always
focus on academics. We always said it's either a high
academic institution wherever he goes if he leaves BYU high
academic institution, or he's going to a military academy because
he's a militaristic guy. And we saw that, right, we
saw that, and go to he goes to Virginia. He
then retires for a moment, takes a sabbatical, ends up
at New Mexico, and now he's at Utah State. They
got you know, bull eligible in those two years. Obviously
a builder of men, a great rebuilder of programs. We
know that Bronco can win football games now anywhere, but
he tends to lean towards those things. I would say,
if you've given the choice, if Jay's given the choice,
is his choice. Do you think bred I was bringing
the hammer? And Ronald you think about it as well?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Is it big ten? Is it sec?
Speaker 6: I mean, I think to part of the conversation that
we were having last segment, like this is a guy
who just wants.
Speaker 3: To be I think one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 6: And I don't think that that's something that everybody conceptualizes
because here's a lot of people listening who they are
very happy with the job that they're in. They're happy
with the house they live in. They're fine with the
fact that they were born in one place and have
lived there their whole lives.
Speaker 3: They're good with that, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 6: But there are some people like j Hill who are
there simply built different. They didn't just get into coaching
so they could someday be the head coach at BYU.
That's not why J Hill got into coaching, just so
that he could live in Utah for the rest of
his life and be happy. I think J Hill got
into coaching because he wants to be one of the
best to ever do it. So, whether that's the Big Ten,
whether that's the SEC, whether that's the University of Oregon,
univer Georgia, whatever it is, J Hill just strikes me
as a guy as it will never be enough. I
will never be satisfied until I am sitting at the
top with the national championship. And as soon as I
win that national championship, the next day I'm on a
recruiting visit because it's there's no guarantees for next year.
That's what I think when I see J Hill, and
again to a lot of the points that we talked
about last segment, who he is, how he was raised
in his football journey. Michigan's not the end goal for him.
This is a guy who wants to be one of
the best to ever do it. Yeah, you're you're going
frozen on me.
Speaker 1: Never enough enough, never never enough to void, can never
be filled with dubs, with championships, with Natty's even.
Speaker 3: Ronald the three man Weaver.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a unique and singular situation that
be what he finds itself in. How many times have
we seen coordinators position coaches poached by big ten SEC
schools over the years.
Speaker 3: We typically lose maybe recruits here in the state.
Speaker 1: If Utah BYU recruits, Utah recruits to these SEC big TAD,
the former PAC twelve ACC programs.
Speaker 3: But coaches.
Speaker 1: This is a little bit unique in the history of BYU.
What pragmatically would keep j Hill here? If anything you
can do you think of any off the top of
your head that would lead Jay Hill to stay in provo.
Speaker 5: H Man, It's tough, and I think the reason why
that's tough for me to answer, Ben is it's he's
following the head coach, you know, Kyle Whittingham, the guy
you played for. That's the that's the tough part. But
I mean there's always reasons to state no matter how
big they are. One of the big reasons is him
and Killanne they speak the same language. I know people
would say that about Witt, but it's like wits on
his way out the door, and Kyle likes to micromanage,
I think more than Kilani does. I I personally believe
that I think Kilanie you know, and he said it again.
I was in Orlando. He's like, He's like, I'm on
the headside guys. I could just be like, no, I'm
a jerk, I'm gonna call and do whatever I want.
But I don't, right, so he let he lets literally
them do what they want. He does not micromanage. I
think his staff means he is not in the meetings.
He is not, you know, doing his job as a
head coach. But I think j Hill is allowed to
recruit the way he wants to recruit. He's allowed to
call the players. I don't think Kline really overrides a lot.
I don't necessarily know if Kyle would would do the same.
I could be wrong, but you got to remember, as
being a former player, sometimes.
Speaker 4: You class what's your head coach?
Speaker 3: You do you?
Speaker 5: Hey, I think this is the best way. Know this well,
I'm seeing it this way. Sometimes that that little competitive
nature can get in there now with coaching. But I
think with Kline, him and Jay Hill have a great
relationship and he has full control over what he can do.
So maybe that's the one of the reasons is that
that that could be a sign of all right, how
much is Kyle gonna want to have his hand in
the defense with Jay? Is he going to be completely
hands off? I think Jay Hill brings a game plan
to Kiline. Colonney's like I like that, and he's like,
how about we at this too cool?
Speaker 4: I think Kyle might.
Speaker 5: Be like, no, we're going to do this, and I
don't know if that would sit well, which I could
be wrong, but I think the relationship he has with
the Kialanie is what I'm getting at. And then another
reason is I hope this doesn't come off the you know,
the wrong way is I mean, you got family here
and you know he had some some health concerns last year,
Like that was a big deal in having family close
and that you grew up here and you know, maybe
that does keep you close. I think that could have
a chance to keep Jay you know around right. Uh,
maybe going to Michigan a high pressure, high level environment
and maybe Ben, you could shed some light.
Speaker 4: Is that good for your health? Is that good for
your heart?
Speaker 5: Not saying that you don't have that in the Big
twelve and at BAU, but you feel comfortable. There's a
lot of pressure that's gonna come going to Michigan. Ben,
you are three loss low one hundred percent. Well that's
the thing, like you with your three loss team in
Michigan they're calling for your job, which is absurd, but
that's what they do. So it's a national championship of
BUS three lost team at b YU, you're in the
title game. Potentially, that's a great season. So that's the difference,
is well with that out on his health, I don't know.
I'm not trying to project anything either, and I hope
people and you don't think that, but that is a
concern for me of added stress and pressure outside stuff
outside of football and other people on you and what
you see, you know, and even if he's not on
social media, you know, the stress on your family, what
your family has to go through. That's a lot, you know,
for you to have to you know, deal with as
a person, and I think all coaches do a great
job of pushing it out. But that's more what I'm
worried about. And I think that could keep you here
if anything in the fan base loves you. Look, you're
not gonna have a more beloved fan base that's gonna
love you and you know, still be there for you
even during the down days. You have a five and
seven season, four and eight season in Michigan. They don't
want to see you even with all the disrespect to Arogeins,
which I don't understand. Sometimes that part of the fan base,
that fan base still I think, knows there's not a
better coordinator to have and they just say that because
they emotionally react. But when it's all said and done,
when there's no emotion, they they do love a Rod
and they do want him here and they love this team.
So I don't know, but those are my only reasons
I could think of. But it's gonna be tough. Money
and recruiting and resources. They do help you to get
to where you want to get to. And like I said, Wisconsin,
I think is the opportunity. You know, if it fails
at Penn State with James not James Franklin, with the
what is it Matt Campbell, I think j Hill could
be there as a corner.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 5: I don't know if Michigan State's an option, but I
think I think Jay Hill is a big ten coach.
Knowing his personality and the vibes that I get with
those guys being defensive guys.
Speaker 4: But that's kind of how I feel.
Speaker 3: Ben, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Agree with you from a person personality Standford for a
play calling and recruiting.
Speaker 3: Style, Stamper.
Speaker 1: I think he fits into the Big ten culture more
so than like SEC culture my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: So I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think you bring us very valid pragmatic reasons why
he would stick it out at BYU, And I'll add
to them because I think you guys both bring up
some very valid points in this discussion regarding j Hill.
The latest reports coming out of Michigan, Okay, just insiders
discussing it. As I've aggregated and accumulated these reports. Running
is back coach, running backs coach, so we're talking offensive
and defense side of the ball.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Michigan running back coach Tony Alford has reportedly been offered
a chance to stay on the staff. Remember there are
connections with the Alford family and the Whittingham family. Max Alford,
currently on the BA football Team's father, late father was
coaching at the University of Utah before passing away. So
this is the brother, Tony of Max's father. Okay, potentially
filling one of the two or three remaining openings. Okay
for Coyldenham's staff that he mentioned he's gonna retain some.
There's gonna be like six or seven new coaches. Two
to three retain defense coordinator. Right, this is one this
most impactful that we're talking about here. Reports indicate Whittingham
is targeting bu D C J. Hill for the same
role at Michigan. Hill had interest in bringing Gary Anderson Okay,
though by head coach Kolini Stycke's actively trying to retain
Hill cornerbacks coach. The two acquisitions the two individuals he
wants to bring with him for his scheme, Gary Anderson
and General Guildford.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Hill is also said to be interested in Jenneral Guildford,
but BYU expects sit I get to fight hard to
keep him. Just believe Guildford may pursue the BYU defense
coordinating job if he'll departs. Okay, then you have the
wide receivers coach reportedly leaning towards young coach from Texas.
This alligance with like the O C. Jason Beck right
being being brought in from Utah, et cetera. So and
then Jim Hording offensive line coach, is not guaranteed that
he's gonna be there at Michigan. So I'm giving you
offense and defense here. Let's go back to the defense side.
Speaker 3: Of the ball.
Speaker 1: If j Hill cannot get Gary Anderson and Genoa to
come with him to ann Arbor? Should he go? And
I would say that is a big fat risk you're running.
Speaker 4: I don't do it?
Speaker 3: Then Nope, That's what I'm saying. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: You got to convince Gary, who's you know, sixty one,
still a phenomenal mind, phenomenal coach. But he's a senior
analyst and he's probably found some work life balance fight
he's made plenty of money. He goes to Michigan, doesn't
get to keep that safe balance because he had to
keep that same work life balance and see kids, see
grandkids and all those things. Like it's all about what
you want. And although he would love nothing more than
to help out his boy Jay Hill, who he helped
out at Weber and helped out in provo over the
last four years as an analyst for Gary's defense, does
he want to go to and Arbor Michigan? It does
his wife? Does Gary's wife want to go to ann Arbor.
I've been an art It's great, it's awesome to be
goes like all those things. But you need a village,
you need talented people you trust surrounding you. If you don't,
you may have a steeper learning curve. You got Kyle there,
Kyle and Jay can do it. Yeah, but who do
you trust? Who do you trust to bring in around
you to implement your schemes, your techniques, your philosophies, and
implement that at a high level and accelerated level so
that you can win now. Because if you don't hit
quota two years in a row. In my in the
med divine world that I live in, you don't hit
quite a two years in a row.
Speaker 3: You're out. You're done, You're fired, You're fired.
Speaker 1: So that's the same thing that goes for the Big
ten college football world, the SEC college football world. There
was rumblings that killing de Bor was gonna be fired
if he didn't win, or that he was gonna leave.
He was gonna be targeted by Michigan if he didn't
win that first round playoff game against Oklahoma. They got
him by the skin of their teeth. Maybe not even
due to the meritocracy of their their resume. Anyway, if
Gennaro doesn't come because he's like, well, I could be
the next DC at BYU, then.
Speaker 3: Who do you love? Now? Who do you love?
Speaker 1: You know, what do you do, so I would say
from a pragmatic standpoint, you're taking a big risk by
going over there. How robust is Jay Hills network? Can
you rely on the guys that you relied on at Weber?
Who can you take from BYU staff? Who could you
take from Utah staff? That's not always sticking out with
Morgan Scalley in Salt Lake City? Is Justinnna gonna go?
Is Kelly Papinga gonna go to an Arbor? Probably not?
Probably not? Is Gennaro?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Possibly? Right, Like, there's a lot to take in there.
So when I'm talking about pragmatism and getting out there
and and and you get a top ten roster, that's great,
But who's coaching up your guys?
Speaker 3: And how robust is your network?
Speaker 1: How often are you going to that AFCA Coaches convention
in developing high level relationships, high level trust with coaches
from around the country that are not going to be
ego driven and selfish and just use you to get
to their next spot, but to build something special and
and in ann Arbor, right, So, like there's a lot
to take in there.
Speaker 4: Can I read tweet if that's okay?
Speaker 5: This is from the g Man and he'll co host
tomorrow to give you guys a teas and more on
this discussion. But to this topic, he said this the
other day. Nothing is a visual but if Jay Hill
and Kyle Wodingham bring in Coach G to Michigan, and
it speaks loudly to just how just the quality of
who Coach G is. I mean him being a double
minority at BYU is a huge aspect, but it doesn't
mean a thing at Michigan.
Speaker 3: What doesn't mean.
Speaker 5: What it does mean LA FORG is that he is
very a very very good coach, which he is. Anyway,
it'll be a huge loss for by U. And I
could well argue that Coach G would be tougher to
replace than Coach Hill. And when you add that aspect,
ben if Jail.
Speaker 4: Is a phenomenal coach.
Speaker 5: But part of that success that BYU has had is
defensive backs. You've told me this, the toughest position to
recruit and to recruit at BAU is defensive back.
Speaker 4: And you said some stuff in a lass, mainly corner right.
Speaker 5: And when I say defensive back, I'm talking about corner particular,
just cornerback right. So if you can't get G to
go and you can't get Gary, and I think that
risk is above ninety percent, But if both of them
are on board, I think the risk drops.
Speaker 4: You know, I would say under twenty percent.
Speaker 5: I think a big part of there's a reason why
Gennaro Ben got promoted to defensive pass game coordinator. There's
a reason you don't just do that. And Jay Hill
has spoken highly of g and I think he knows that.
Another guy that's been able to help out this year
Ben on the I don't know. I think he's on
the staff is Eddie Hecker. Eddie has been around the
team helping and Eddie, if he doesn't get hurt. Ben,
remember we had him on, I interviewed him, broke his foot,
he'd probably be playing in the league. Jacob Robinson saw
him last night on the sideline with the San Francisco
forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: It goes around coach g and that and under j Hill.
Speaker 5: So you have to think if Jay Hill goes, he
wants Gennaro with him, But if he can't convince him
to go, if he can't convince Gary, remind you Ben,
Gary was over his should against Iowa State. Let's scrap
the game plan and start over. If those two are
the most pivotal pieces with j Hill a part of
this defense. If he'll goes he wants him to go
to but if they can't, that's a huge risk. Ben,
And I don't know if you can take that, So
I would I would lean and say you don't convince
those guys. No, And maybe I'm wrong, like you said,
maybe he's got a better network. I only know so little,
but I think those are a pivotal piece of part
of this BYU culture, this BAU defense, and a part
of who j Hill is and what he wants to
run and if they can't go then yet he's saying,
I think I think j Hill would he could stay, Ben,
he could stay if that were the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot to take in okay, and I think
it would be different. Yeah, he could take any he
could take Gavin Fowler, you can take a lot of guys.
But it sounds like they're not being named in these situations.
It's Gennaro and Gary Anderson, his two top coaching recruits
may not be willing to go. Dan Arbor no matter
how much you pay him. It has nothing to do
with pay. It has more to do with what other
opportunities you know, work life balance. You know, as g
man brought up at BYU. Gennaro is a differentiator, like
he everything that he does.
Speaker 3: It's similar to Brian Mitchell. You guys don't know Brian Mitchell.
Speaker 1: Brian Mitchell is a former BAU defensive back that was
the cornerbacks coach for Lavelle Edwards for like twenty years.
Brian Mitchell's job was never at risk. Ever, no one's
criticizing Brian Mitchell. He recruits well, he develops. While he
was an NFL corner, He's one of the best corners
in BA football history.
Speaker 3: What does General have going for him? One of the
best corners in BOA football history.
Speaker 1: He got a stint, I believe in the league as
a professional, he had some injury issues. Right, He's a
differentiator in provo. What makes you different at Michigan? What
makes you different in the SEC? You know what I mean?
So there's a lot to take in there from a
pragmatic standpoint, and I think the world of General Guildford
I think is extremely talented. He could be a defensive
coordinator in another place. It all depends on what you're wanting, right,
what do you want? Do you like the passing game coordinator,
quarterbacks coach. Do you like that every individual is h
is seeking certain things and you're only as good as
your anecdotes? And I do think there is value in
the synergy and the non ego driven defensive unit and
even offensive unit that BYU created this season.
Speaker 3: I pointed this out.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it real quick before we go to
break post it a little bit ago. Cougar fans chime
in on it. Do you agree or disagree with me here?
And what I'm getting at with this this paragraph of commentary,
I think you need to be optimistic about the future
no matter what happens.
Speaker 3: Over the past two to.
Speaker 1: Three seasons, BYU has assembled the most well resourced, most experienced,
the most collectively talented defensive staff in program history.
Speaker 3: This was never a one man operation.
Speaker 1: It is a deep system built on shared philosophy, continuity, synergy,
and institutional knowledge. What BYU has built defensively, I don't
believe is just fragile, you know, hanging by a whim,
hanging by a thread type of situation. It won't topple
so easily as some may think. The BA Brandon culture
is a firm foundation that supersedes the abilities and talents
of any one coach.
Speaker 3: In my opinion.
Speaker 1: Coaches may move on and they always doing college football,
but the infrastructure and the standards in the institution that
drives and remain firmly in place. By who has had
four different head coaches since nineteen seventy two and has
overachieved for the last fifty plus years versus their roster
talent and their coaching talent. In many ways, BA has
one more games per dollars spend than any college football
program in the country during the last fifty plus years.
They're top ten and wins. Guys, they're number five in fact.
Only teams that are ahead of them Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia.
You know who's behind them, Michigan, Florida State, clems in Nebraska,
Penn State. Pretty good company over fifty year period, right,
Pretty impressive, ladies and gentlemen, Very impressive. Okay, So you
take all that into account, B why you will continue
to win now more than ever? I believe because of
its institutional brand that I just reference the P four
affiliation and the resources that are coming with that. That's
robust data sets that should lead to optimism not fear
of the future due to coaching staff attrition.
Speaker 3: Those are my thoughts on the matter.
Speaker 1: It's likely to happen that Jay Hill leaves, but there's
still a chance he doesn't, and I haven't heard any
news that would lead me to The longer this takes,
the more likely it could be that Jay Hill's retained.
So hope that there's no breaking news during our show.
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see.
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