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a great show for you as always. What a tremendous season.

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What a tremendous season. Great way to finish. I think

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every game matters. I think Bowl games matter. I think

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the opponents matter in those bowl games as well. When

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you beat a ranked opponent. You finished the season twelve

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and two.

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Speaker 3: It's only the.

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Speaker 1: Fifth time you've had that type of productivity on the

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football field in BAU football history. You're gonna end up

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possibly as a top ten team in college football at

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the end when the dust settles in the college football

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playoff world. That's one of the best seasons in BWA

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football history. And I think it's probably your top five

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season in BWAU football history, considering the strength of schedule,

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considering that you lost your starting quarterback in the summer

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months leading up to kickoff, Considering that you're in year

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three at the Big twelve and your only lost to

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loss is to the eventual very well could be the

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eventual national champion in college football right now, currently the

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fourth ranked team in college football Texas Tech. You combine

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all of those elements and you can't help but be

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full of gratitude if you're.

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Speaker 3: A BYU fan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can take the negative approach. You can take

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the non kline approach right and say you have all

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manner of weeping, wailing and national teeth and say, you know,

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we've we've been discriminated against. Right everything, everyone's against us.

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It's us versus the world, or you can be grateful, man,

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and I choose to be grateful here because BYU got

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three top twenty five wins this season, and I think

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it was like six of the teams that they played,

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they had almost nine plus wins. You had bull eligible

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teams across the entire entirety of the strength of the schedule.

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You have one of the most difficult schedules in BYU

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football history and in college football this year.

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Speaker 3: And you did all that.

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Speaker 1: And it's unfortunately the people that made the decision to

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leave by out of the College Football Playoff, they have

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to live with the resultier maybe you know, they have

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to live with with their conscience. Okay, And I think

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those that watched this game, led by a bear Bachmeyer

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that was eighty to maybe eighty five percent healthy, you

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didn't have your best offensive player in LJ. Martin, and

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you didn't have your best defensive player in Jack Kelly,

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and you found a way to win in a neutral

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site that seemed like it was probably more of a

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home game for Georgia Tech. Like I know, there's a

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lot of BYU fans that went out there, and we'll

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get confirmation about maybe the partition of fans how it

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was bifurcated, but it seemed like that was more of

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a home game maybe for Georgia Tech. Congratulations for Alicia Dalley's.

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What a tremendous season to this bya Cougar football team

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and this coaching staff. Success breeds chaos in college football, though,

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and you're seeing a little bit of that. You're seeing

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the coaching carousel starting to fire up after a tremendous

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sea And so it's a blessing to talk about the

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college football chaos and the coaching carousel. We're gonna delve

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Speaker 1: Let's fire it up ESPN the fans starting lineup, and

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Speaker 3: Is welcome in first, foremost.

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Speaker 1: Right off the plane. He came in to Orlando, I

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believe late last night or early this morning. Let's welcome

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in Ronald the three man Weaver. Ronnie, how is Orlando?

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Speaker 4: Orlando was great. We'll start there.

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Speaker 5: I have I'm sorry this might sound terrible, but I

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was looking at to apply for food jobs while I

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was down there.

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Speaker 4: You know, I tried some good food.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 5: Look, nothing might make you want to change your career

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and be in a place like Orlando. Because of the weather,

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That's what I'm saying. I'm saying the weather was gorgeous.

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I saw people with their golf clubs. I drove by

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a course, didn't play. I'm not in the budget but man,

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oh goodness, gracious, Ben, I mean sitting by the pool

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cutting up sound.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can't ask for anything better.

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Speaker 5: I'm all pop tart out, Ben, I can't eat another

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pop tart. I have some for you, I have some

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for Red. I'll pass them out, but I have the

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I have a lot of gent lag for sure. But hey,

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I'll get some sleep tonight once the show is over.

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But man, I love the East Coast. I love Florida. Man,

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there's nothing wrong about it. Network with a lot of people,

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and looking forward to that UCF game BYU versus UCF

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next year in Orlando.

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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed Orlando. It's a great place. Bau fans love.

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They shut up show. What was the split in the

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amongst the fan bases? Was it more of a Georgia

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Tech home game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was more of a Georgia Tech homing I

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would to go, you know, sixty forty. If you wanted

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to go fifty five to forty five, I could hear

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that argument. I wouldn't go you know, lower than that,

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But I think sixty forty definitely more Georgia Tech fans

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I got. But these are the nicest fans. I sat

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on the side with all the Georgia Tech people. I

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didn't sit with the other Beat writers and look the hospitality,

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the kindness, the niceness. These people are asking questions about

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Bear just genuine football people to talk about Georgia Tech.

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And I wish we'd have maybe put in this request,

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but the opportunity to get to know Haines King's story

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and who he is. Like, literally, this Georgia Tech team

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is a reflection of BYU. It might I'm not gonna

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say it's the bau of the ACC but in terms

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of how Brent Key wants to run his program and

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the guys that they have, and how Haines carries himself

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and his team there that way, this is a very

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humble team, hardworking, built on the core foundation principles. Like

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in that press conference I was in Friday Been it

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was less about football and about I'm preparing young men

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that they need to get a four year degree. That

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this is the highest GP on the team. You could

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tell that Brent Key and Kalani are aligned in that

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principle and in that regard. So I love that he

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got a five year extension. I feel he's the right

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man for the job. But I'm a big fan of

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Georgia Tech and the Yellow Jackets. They're good football team,

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they got great media members, great program, great athletes.

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Speaker 4: So I enjoyed myself.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's good that Ba's building these relationships

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with people like the Texas Tech Red Raiders, you know,

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good fan base on this very loving, you know. So

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I hope that the school up north can you know,

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take take you know, maybe some some loving lessons, you know,

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and still pat their brother on the back. But Georgia

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Tech fans was surprised that BAYU fans were so nice. Man,

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I'm like, no, they're genuine, They're not. They mean that

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when they say, hey, have a good game, we still

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want to beat you. We hope you come out healthy.

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Speaker 4: They mean that.

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Speaker 5: So there's a there's a truth to the Big twelve

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football players when they say that provob is a psychological

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mind game because when BAU fans are being so nice,

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they need but they still want to come out with

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the dub two, no.

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Speaker 3: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: Thought thirty six thousand strong went out to World Camping

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Stadium and half of those were you know, forty percent

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of them BWAU fan shout out to Cougarnation printed out

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to Orlando, Brett always bringing the hammer also in the

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house that was welcome in Hammertime Show Hammer Time. How

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the heck are you, buddy? How was your Christmas? How

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was your weekend? How was the football game?

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Speaker 6: Fun fact, the pop Tarts Bowl made me physically sick.

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I uh, look, I felt like in order to get

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in true spirit, since I wasn't going to Orlando, I

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needed to buy a couple bucks to pop tarts, and

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I did. The problem then became I went to the

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gym before I watched the game, and I didn't eat.

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you know it, I'll have one right here as the

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game started, and then the second quarter started and I said,

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you know what, I could probably eat a couple more

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of those, and by the time I just stayed them raw.

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And so by the time the game had ended, I

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had eaten I think either six or seven. And then

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I had to film a video afterwards, and I put

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my microphone on the pop tart and then I was

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eating it as I was recording the video. So I

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think I had eight pop tarts in a span of

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like three to four hours, and I thought I was fine,

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and then Sunday morning. I woke up and I was

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not fine, and I was going through it on a

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Sunday morning. So I'm happy that I ate enough pop

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tarts for b YU to win, but I probably will

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not be eating a pop tart again anytime.

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Speaker 1: A huge fan of the pop tarts. It's like a

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childhood staple. You know, you always wanted one, you want,

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you wanted them every morning, et cetera. But like nutritional,

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nutritionally speaking, not the most healthy thing. D No, definitely

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fun thing, D yes, not the most healthy thing. If

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you want to nurse the strength in your body, you

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don't necessarily lean into the pop tarts. But uh, it

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was fun and then fleeting, uh and uh, you know

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it was good while while you tasted. That's right, tasted.

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Not the following day. Guys, what a victory. What a

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way to win. A lot of people were saying that

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this game didn't matter a lot of people were saying, like, hey,

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it doesn't matter this This season is still one of

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the best in BUA football history to a degree. All

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I understand that. But if you're a great football team

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and almost an elite football team, even without your best

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offensive player and your best defensive player. I think you

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have to go out and beat a three loss ACC team,

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and they did that. They beat him twenty five to

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twenty one. What an exclamation point to a fantastic, just

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legendary in my opinion, season. It was awesome the form

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and fashion in which they rallied in the second half offensively, defensively,

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and special teams. There was plenty of adversity in all

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three phases of this game. Early on in the game,

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byufens were saying, Jay Hills checked out.

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Speaker 3: He's already on his way down harbor. He's going to Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Ronald took a picture of him, you know, heading back

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from the pregame, and we got all sorts of hate

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and victriol, like, oh, hard hitting journalism, hard hitting journalism,

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Jay Hill going back to the locker room. People were

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just angry. They were miffed. The Cougar Nation was not

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happy with the first half effort. People are saying all

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manner of things about a Rod two and then you

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You guys were spending too much time eating pop tarts.

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Speaker 1: That game was not so magical in the first half,

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being down twenty one to ten, and then the Cougar's

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rallied and they showed their grit, showed their depth, showed

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their playmaking ability. Bear Bachmeier hobbled a Grade two high

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ankle sprayed just few weeks ago, and he had one

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of his best performances in his career twenty seven eight,

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three hundred and twenty five yards, eight point six yards

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per attempt, one touchdown, one I in t and then

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find the way. Joevesa the Mooney A Rod had prognosticated

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that Joe Vesso was gonna be a guy that they're

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gonna lean on. Seven carries forty eight yards six point

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nine yards per carry, one touchdown. Enich Noawahine came up

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big ten carries three uh ten carries thirty two yards

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three point two yards per carry. Parker Kingston at four

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for twenty. I think you got to give some credit

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to a Rod for the game plan. Carson Ryan was

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featured tight end one. The tight end is back. You

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can't throw a ron. He doesn't. Hopefully he doesn't have

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to hear anything about how the tight end is never

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utilized ever again. If he does come back to be

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the OC again, hopefully he's been able to squash it's

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it's squelch and just come and dissipate some of the hate.

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And uh, it's it's the reason why he's probably you know,

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taking a gander, like you're taking a gander and seeing

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what's available out there.

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Speaker 3: As an offense corner. He's taking calls right now.

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Speaker 1: He's over the last six years, guys, Okay, over the

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last since twenty twenty to twenty twenty five, he's been

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a top twenty five offensive coordinator. Look at the offenses,

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look at every single every single analytic offensively, he's been

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a top twenty five OC in college football. Give him

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his flowers. He does deserve to pay raise. And he

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may be taking his talents elsewhere, and that'd be okay,

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you got you know, I want him to stay. I

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think he's been a tremendous OC. But I will say

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that no matter what happens, Jay Hill leaves, Aaron Roders leaves,

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others leave I still think the BYU brand under this

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bastion of power fordom with resources that we've never had before.

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Remember we've one more per dollar spent than any college

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football team in the last fifty plus years. All will

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be well, guys, all will be well. We're gonna be okay.

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All is not lost, So be grateful. It was a

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great game, great season. And now we figure out what

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Jay Hill's gonna do, what what Aaron Rodgers gonna do,

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because they deserve because of the success.

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Speaker 3: We're a product. This situation is a product of success.

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Speaker 1: So embrace it, ladies and gentlemen, embrace that cougarnation. If

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we went nine to four, we wouldn't be in this

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situation with Jay and a rod possibly leaving. But you'd

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be like, ah, we we sucked this year. We're not

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good enough this year. It was an okay, mech kind

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of season. Maybe it was expected because you had a

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true freshman quarterback. So embrace the chaos, embrace this situation,

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Speaker 3: And maybe, just maybe you know there is there is

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retention on the horizon.

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Speaker 1: Fingers crossed right, Gregrenation, All right, why don't we get

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Ryan will get into that as well, recapping the Georgia

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Speaker 3: Who is he targeting? I just posted something on UH on.

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Speaker 1: Twitter about the the individuals that he's currently targeting in

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the college football coaching world, so check that out. We'll

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rather than get into like the Georgia tech game here,

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let's talk about the situation that BA He's in, shall we?

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Jay Hill is being heavily targeted, and he's.

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Speaker 3: Already taken a trip out to and Arbor.

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Speaker 1: He's probably back in Utah now molling over the offer

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that has been extended to him by Kyle Whittingham and

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the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Level set here for a moment.

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Speaker 1: Michigan is one of the premier brands of college football.

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Anyone on the outside looking in would say you would

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be insane to say no to Michigan. Unlimited resources, potential

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for top twenty recruiting classes. If you go in and

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put in the work, you got the big house, You

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have everything at the tips of your fingers. With that,

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you get into some of the highest expectations in college football.

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If you missed the college Football Playoff for two years

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in a row, you very well could be fired. So

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you realize going in that it's essentially college football playoff

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or bust. You're gonna have probably generational money. Obviously, Kyle

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Whitingham getting paid I think as a base salary eight

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million dollars with incentives. So congratulations, Kyle Whittingham get some

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getting a nice fat check. And what does the OC

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and DC get. What would Jay Hill get there? Probably

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upwards at three to four million dollars, Like the highest

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paid defensive coordinator in college football last year was over

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three million dollars at Penn State.

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Speaker 3: So he's probably going to get that.

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Speaker 1: Why because you know of the relationship between he and

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and Kyle. Because of what he's been able to accomplish

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over the last two years, specifically at BYU back to

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back top twenty five defensive units per sp plus twenty

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first and twenty second respectively, it's been impressive, to say

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the least. And he's recruited well too, and he has

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players giving their testimonials, guys like Follows South to Wala

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Tanner Wall expressing just how impactful he's been at BYU. Okay,

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it's hard to turn down Michigan. Why would you turn

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down Michigan? Why would you? Why wouldn't you go? If

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you're Jay Hill, your mentor the person that brought you

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up in this college football coaching game that you played

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for while at he's your coach, he's your guy, he's

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your dude. He played for him as a player at

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the University of Utah. He calls you back into his

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fold and says, hey, I want to pay you. I

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want to give you an opportunity to feature, be featured

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in the highest level of college football, and after two

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years are probably a head coach in the Big ten,

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in the SEC wherever you want to be Big twelve,

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you're probably a head coach. And if you don't want

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the head coaching job elsewhere, after five, six, seven years,

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you're maybe the head coach in waiting at Michigan.

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Speaker 3: How do you turn that down? Brett always bringing the hammer.

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I you don't. That's the simple answer.

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Speaker 6: Like I mean, even if Kyle Whittingham's not the head

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coach at Michigan, even if it's Jim Harbaugh or Jetfish

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or Kenny Dillingham, Jay Hill gets that call, I still

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think you say yes. And not necessarily because it's any

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kind of shot at BYU, but I think every person

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sitting here in America right now, unless you are already

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working at your dream job, if your dream job comes

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calling and they come calling with more money than what

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you're making right now, you can say whatever you want

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to everyone you work.

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Speaker 3: With, you're taking that job.

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Speaker 6: And I think Michigan, especially the DC job at Michigan,

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that is that job. Because when when NFL guys look

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at collegiate coaches and say, who has a high enough

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pedigree to come coach here or head coaching jobs at

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some of the top schools in America. When those guys

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are looking at hiring, there's coordinators they go to. And

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those coordinators are at Georgia, they're at Alabama, they're at Oregon,

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they're at Michigan, and they're at Ohio State. And so

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it's really hard. Look, if Jay Hill goes, we're all

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going to be bummed. But also, I don't think there's

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a single honest BYU fan who can say, well, if

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it was me, I would have stayed. Everything in the

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world says this is the best possible gig for a

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guy like Jay Hill, and he's earned it. And if

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we're being real, have we ever seen a glow up

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of anyone this fast in the sport? This guy was

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the head coach at Weber State a couple of years ago,

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and he's gone from a five year span to working

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as a head coach at Weber State to the defensive

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coordinator allegedly at the University of Michigan.

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Speaker 3: It's a bummer, but that should be applauded.

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Speaker 6: It is incredible work and he deserves it because he's

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earned it.

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Speaker 1: It's a combination of what you've done but also who

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you know. Right this is one of those perfect combos. Ronald,

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how do you say no to Michigan? If you're Jay Hill?

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Why would he stay?

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Speaker 4: You shouldn't stay.

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Speaker 5: Look, the fans are not gonna like that, but I

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don't care what they feel.

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Speaker 4: There's nobody in this world.

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Speaker 5: And if you are, then I really would ask I

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would pray for you, and I would really ask you

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to repent to yourself in your personal time. I'm serious.

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I'm not I'm being serious. It's not joking. Well repents, Ben. Look, Ben,

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you and I have talked about this offt record. Brett

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and I have talked about this, and we're going to

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discuss it now on record. If we are all doing

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the same job that we're doing right now, and another

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organization came and says, I'm going to double your pay,

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I'm going to maybe, you know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. If he's doubling the pay right now,

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I'm probably getting more.

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Speaker 4: He's getting more money. But he's getting more money, though.

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Speaker 1: So let's say let's talk about it for a moment.

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So he's getting two million at BYU right now from

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what I've been told, let's say he you know, so

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last year, like I said, with the threshold for the

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highest p defense cordinators three million dollars. So let's say

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he's getting three million dollars. Brian Santiagu scene with Jay

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Hill postgame at the Orland know pop tarts ball, right,

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and I imagine that there would be a pay raise

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on the docket for not only j but also a rod.

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Everyone deserves a pay raise right now at BYU. What

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would that be elevated to. Let's say, for argument, say

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it's two point five million that Brian's willing to give

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Jay Hill, or you can make three million. I don't

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think it's three point five million I don't think it's

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a million dollars more. I mean they could counter, but

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I don't think the initial offers three point five million.

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Speaker 3: You would be the highest paid DC in college football.

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's what j Hill would have been had

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Killane gone to Penn State. Maybe because Penn State was

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like whatever it takes, they just wanted to close the deal. Okay, Well,

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I don't want to lose Jay Hill to BYU being

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the head coach. I gotta pay him four million, you know,

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whatever it takes, right, So like maybe that could have happened.

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a million dollars more? Is that enough just from a

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monetary stamp point to make the move to Michigan? Knowing

473
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,799
you're in a glass bowl? You know what I mean

474
00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:12,160
by that, They're at Michigan. Everything you do, everything you say. Yeah,

475
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,960
and to certainly at Byus that way, but like now

476
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:20,720
it's to the next level. Yeah, everything is scrutinized, everything

477
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,759
is criticized. Wink Martindale over the last two seasons has

478
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:30,519
put together consecutive top fifteen defenses in college football versus

479
00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:34,319
one of the most difficult schedules in college football.

480
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 3: The last two seasons.

481
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,599
Speaker 1: And there are some it's kind of a bifurcation of

482
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:40,319
fans and.

483
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,079
Speaker 3: Donors that like, yeah, week's not good enough? Are you

484
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:43,920
kidding me?

485
00:24:44,319 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: They don't know what they're even watching sometimes, So what

486
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,559
I'm saying is like, is the I don't know if

487
00:24:50,599 --> 00:24:52,119
it's just all about the money, and I don't know

488
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,240
if it's like I don't know if it's like earth

489
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:57,680
shattering like time times too money than what he would

490
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,000
get at Byus. What I'm going at day's competitive guy

491
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,960
it's not the highest end, but it's competitive. I mean

492
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:06,160
j Hill at two million a year last year, I

493
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,359
mean he's top ten defensive coordinator in pay maybe the

494
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:15,079
top ten coordinator across offensive and defensive coordinators in college football.

495
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: It's right there, man, it's competitive.

496
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,839
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing. The first thing is the is

497
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,440
the pay raise.

498
00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:21,839
Speaker 5: Looking anytime you get a pay raise from a job,

499
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,119
to keep doing what you're doing, Ben, we're all looking.

500
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,799
Speaker 4: That's my point.

501
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,599
Speaker 5: You mindset like you're taking again, you're taking a gander.

502
00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,839
You're going to Anybody says, no, I'm not, you're lying.

503
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,160
That's what I mean. When I was trying to be

504
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,319
funny about the repent that like, if there was another

505
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,319
job that offered you know more of what it is.

506
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,200
I'm going to take a gander. I'm gonna get You're

507
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,680
gonna entertain its human nature.

508
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: Right.

509
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: It doesn't make you a bad person. I don't want

510
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,240
people to think that. It doesn't make you a bad person.

511
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,359
If you work hard, Ben, you should get rasist, you

512
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,279
should get one. Right, it's a job.

513
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:47,599
Speaker 4: I am.

514
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,319
Speaker 5: I worked hard, I got a raise. That that's how

515
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:50,880
it goes. That is not a bad thing. So I

516
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:51,559
just want to say that.

517
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,839
Speaker 4: First. Secondly, let's be honest. You're right, you are in

518
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,599
a glass bowl.

519
00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 5: But at the same time of being in that glass bowl,

520
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,440
the pro is and I hope I don't get in

521
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,559
trouble for saying you're handicapped at BYU. There's other things

522
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:04,759
that you have to deal with that you might not

523
00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,359
deal with the Michigan Like you're gonna get unlimited, and

524
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,319
when I mean unlimited, you're not gonna have as many

525
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,079
barriers to jump through, right, and this might make people mad.

526
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,799
There's not an honor code at Michigan. So maybe that

527
00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:18,000
four or five star that you're looking at you can

528
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,920
go get now that maybe you couldn't necessarily get here.

529
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,039
You know they're and that's that's that's a that's a factor.

530
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:26,799
There are other things that you don't necessarily have to

531
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:30,400
do at Michigan that you'd have to do at BYU

532
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,440
that would affect the recruiting of high level athletes. You

533
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,839
can maybe go get multiple guys within the room. I

534
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920
don't know what that looks like. And you get into

535
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,200
a point now being of okay, what does that mean

536
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:43,519
for those on the roster that can also play at Michigan.

537
00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,160
If j Hill, or to go who does he maybe

538
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,519
take or his coaches. All of that is encumbassed into it.

539
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:51,319
But I think Jay Hill's taking a look. I think

540
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,559
he should. I think that's the right thing. If it's

541
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,720
a million dollars that he's getting that some more money.

542
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,920
And look, the biggest thing is he said it, and

543
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,039
I can go find a clip he wants to be

544
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,480
a head coach again at some point. This sets him

545
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,480
up to be the next head coach of Wisconsin. I

546
00:27:05,519 --> 00:27:07,519
told Brett that, I'm gonna say it on the radio,

547
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,799
Jay Hill, if he takes the Michigan job, this sets

548
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,720
him up to be, like you said, a head coach.

549
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,519
Whether that could be in Michigan, I don't know if

550
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,200
it would be the case, but a coach in the

551
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,240
Big ten. I think he would be a head coach

552
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:20,559
or Wisconsin or another one. And this that's exactly what

553
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:22,160
he should do. It's exactly what he should have been.

554
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:25,960
He's had top twenty defenses. He changed Bau's defensive landscape.

555
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,559
And if you're able to take if you're able to

556
00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:29,759
take your scheme and do that at Michigan with the

557
00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:32,519
recruits like and Michigan doesn't have a bad DC. But

558
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,480
I think Jay Hill is also up there. I think

559
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,240
he's just putting himself in a great position. And you're

560
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,200
following your coach, Ben. Look like I'm just gonna say

561
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,960
it right now, if you were to go somewhere, there's

562
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,240
a good chance that I'm following you too, right, That's

563
00:27:44,519 --> 00:27:46,400
that's just how it goes. And I just want to

564
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,680
say that, like you follow you know the person that

565
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,200
you know gave you an opportunity that you coach. Like

566
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,759
if my coach in Rugby would have went to another university,

567
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:55,839
I'm probably would have up and left too. That's just

568
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,319
the nature of it. It's a relationship business in college.

569
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,759
I love that in st that way. I love that

570
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,680
has worked hard to put himself in this good position.

571
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000
A tip his cap. Is it sad if he does

572
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:08,680
decide to go, absolutely been. I'm happy for him, his family.

573
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,279
I'm happy for BYU. This is good for BYU. I

574
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,079
know peoplere gonna say it's wrong, but for the fact

575
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,240
that they're getting poached with their coaches shows that you

576
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:17,680
have a good college football program.

577
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: Ben.

578
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 5: This is a good sign. Klanie will have to, you know,

579
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,240
work hard to get in the future. I love Colinie's

580
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,839
comments that he's been saying. We'll get into some of

581
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,480
them later. He's not gonna, I think, hold his coaches

582
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:28,240
back and that's what you do. And to flip it,

583
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920
Ben'll finish on this long tangent. Basketball is gonna be

584
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,759
in the same position in a year or two. You're

585
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,559
gonna have the Will Voitz, You're gonna have the Tim

586
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,160
Fannings to Chris Burgess, John Lenehan's, the Brandan Dunsan's. Maybe

587
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,359
not all of those guys, but those guys are gonna

588
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,440
be poached. That's how it goes. When you're on a

589
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,519
good staff and you succeed, you get opportunities, you get

590
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,960
more money, and no one should be upset about that

591
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:51,920
at the end of the day. But you have Kilane

592
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,079
leading it the right way and I think he'll figure

593
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,480
it out. But I'm happy for this byu staff. It's

594
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:58,359
not often been that you can keep a staff like

595
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,799
this together. So this is a selling lebration. Don't be

596
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,559
sad and be down about it, you know, like Bin

597
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,279
Baywater said, be happy. Don't cry, you know, don't don't

598
00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:08,559
cry that it didn't happen or whatever, but smile that

599
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:09,599
it happened something like that.

600
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,799
Speaker 4: But I'm happy for jayl I hope that he makes

601
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:12,920
the most of his opportunity.

602
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,359
Speaker 1: Michigan also had the eleventh beth roster in college football

603
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,640
this last year. I'm sure Kylewitingham is excited to get

604
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,559
his hands on the clay, and Ann Arbor and Jay

605
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,400
Hill would be equally excited to get his hands out

606
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,880
the clay. I think every coach wonders it's kind of

607
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,079
like the To me, it's the the high school coach

608
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,880
thinking that he can be a It's similar in form

609
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920
and fashion a high school coach, high level high school

610
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,559
coach that thinks he can be a high level college

611
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,279
football coach. You see like Joey MacGuire become that. You

612
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:42,640
see Jeff Trailer at UTSA. You know, he got the

613
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,680
call up all of these coaches you mentioned Hammertime Show.

614
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,000
He was just at he was just at we were

615
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000
State a few years ago, you know what I mean,

616
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,720
gets the assistant coach and DC, good job here, and

617
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,440
he's like, oh, well guess what, I'm a top twenty

618
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,079
five DC now an assistant head coach. Well, now, yeah,

619
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,680
I think I could be the best defensive coordinator of

620
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,200
the big ten.

621
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: I also think I could be the best head coach

622
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,880
in college football.

623
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: The uber competitive right that have ego and drive with

624
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,920
talent combined with emotional intelligence.

625
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,559
Speaker 3: That's he's got all. He's got it all.

626
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: There's ego, drive, competitive nature, and emotional intelligence. So he's

627
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,720
not so abrasive. If you're a pure narcissist, you know,

628
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,880
then you you kind of push too many people. I

629
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,559
know what he wants to work with you in corporate

630
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,240
America or an he called football team. So he's got

631
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,720
all of those qualities that you want in a head

632
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,319
football coach at in the SEC, Big ten, big twelve, eighty,

633
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,440
wherever it's at, wherever he wants to end up. It's

634
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,880
it's hard for him to say no here when he

635
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,920
has this true belief in himself. I would give you

636
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,240
a psychological analysis of Jay Hill, and I gave you

637
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,680
a little bit there. I'm saying this out of experience.

638
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:58,240
I know what it's like to be a white defensive

639
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,680
back in a college football world that does not value

640
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,319
white defensive backs, especially at corner.

641
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 3: They just don't.

642
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,079
Speaker 1: So whether you you agree with me or not on this,

643
00:31:08,119 --> 00:31:11,160
I'm telling you like it's always you're not fast enough,

644
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,599
you don't have enough melon it, you're not talented enough,

645
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:16,119
you don't have fluid enough hips. You can't play this game.

646
00:31:16,359 --> 00:31:18,839
You know you're you're not gonna make it in the NFL.

647
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:22,640
It's always all the things that you can't do. So

648
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:25,160
he's been told that as a player, and then in

649
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,799
the college football world, try being a defensive back coach,

650
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,960
a white defensive back coach, in a world that's it's

651
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,400
hard to compete against these very talented brethren that had

652
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:39,480
better collegiate and NFL careers than you, you know who

653
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:43,720
else and def Kirby Smart, I'm telling you brought like

654
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,440
you know what I mean, Like you know Nick Saban

655
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,039
coach the defensive back to album, Bro, I'm telling you,

656
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:55,759
like there is something psychologically like that that occurs within

657
00:31:56,039 --> 00:32:00,599
a white defensive back, especially cornerback. Not safety, not safety,

658
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,279
not strong safety, not free safety.

659
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: If you're a corner and you.

660
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: You do not have the melanin like you, You're gonna

661
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,839
get passed up on like you are you are, You

662
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,039
are pushed away like you ain't good enough, bro. And

663
00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:15,960
so he got passed up by Gary Anderson as DC.

664
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,519
Kaloni Sataki at d C Morgan Scalley, John P's of

665
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:23,400
DC and he goes to Weaver. Right, this guy, you know,

666
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,920
has that chip on his shoulder, and he knows he

667
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,319
can be the best or one of the best college

668
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,119
football coaches in the country. DC assistant head coach, head coach.

669
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:39,720
It is extremely hard for him to not take this job.

670
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,079
But you know what's keeping him here, you know, it's

671
00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:47,680
getting he found out by is a little different, the

672
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,839
cult is a little different. He's never been to BYU guy,

673
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200
you know, but he got a little taste of what

674
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,480
BYU is all about. The type of player he gets

675
00:32:55,519 --> 00:33:01,319
the coach, the community right, the spiritual aspect too, right

676
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,279
and like the highlighting of discipleship and spiritual nature.

677
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,359
Speaker 3: He's part of. I think he's part of the high Council,

678
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:10,680
you know. In his stake, you.

679
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Get to surround yourself a guy like do you think

680
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,599
that Jay Hill thought that his his when he got

681
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,640
to be oo Oh, Tanner Wall is gonna be my

682
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,400
first team all Big twelve free safety for me. No,

683
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,880
He's like, now I gotta go get my guys. I

684
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,039
gotta go get dudes because BA doesn't have no talent.

685
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,319
And all of a sudden, he's he's got an All

686
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:33,160
Big twelve safety like, wow, wow, this is kind of interesting.

687
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,799
Speaker 3: You know, this is crazy. You know, I think b

688
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:37,839
Yu is impacted.

689
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: I think he pricked this hard a little bit, and

690
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,799
he's like, you know what, maybe I do want to

691
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,119
align with b Why we haven't heard an official netsmay.

692
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen anything yet, Guys, I

693
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:47,039
haven't seen any.

694
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,559
Speaker 1: He's got an offer on the table, and it's a

695
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,079
it's a robust offer, it's an aggressive it's a it's

696
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:53,119
a fantastic offer.

697
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,359
Speaker 3: One that more, most pretty.

698
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: Much ninety nine point nine percent of the college football

699
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,079
world is gonna say you, you are insane if you

700
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,039
turn this down. Why would he turn it down? Multifaceted?

701
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,639
I think he's I think he's loved his boy experience. Furthermore,

702
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,559
I think there's some pragmatic elements too. I'm gonna get

703
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,280
into it. I'm gonna give you, like the that was

704
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,840
kind of an a the emotional psychological component. I'm gonna

705
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,360
give you the pragmatic reasons why he would stay on

706
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,400
the flip side. Okay, I'm gonna I teased it. We'll

707
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Speaker 1: We'll get into some of the pragmatic reasons why I

725
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,960
think Jay Hill could be vacillating and could end up

726
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still in proval It's a small chance.

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Speaker 3: It's my new chance.

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Speaker 1: It's it very well could not happen. But as Lloyd

729
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Christmas once said, and one of my favorite films, one

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Speaker 3: So you're telling me.

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Speaker 1: There's a chance that Up next, this is Cougar Sports

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 2: When Ben Krittle isn't breaking down Kobe some amounts of

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Speaker 4: ESPN fan.

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Speaker 1: How the change or change you min.

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Speaker 3: I could give with owseries is a why I know, hey,

741
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:13,239
go got to they get on your own book. We

742
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don't have to grow up.

743
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 4: We can stay groby living on so far. Tricking Romancola

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underneath eisen Sun I could give.

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Speaker 5: With owseries is a why all go, oh you have.

746
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Speaker 1: To Doday, Stay Jay, just stay stay Ron.

747
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do is stay and wait just a.

749
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762
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I want to tell you a couple of things here

763
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,800
in our INDI segment about the reason why I think

764
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,559
pragmatically it may not be the right decision for j Hill,

765
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:29,719
even though the dollars and cents the opportunity, it just

766
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,400
makes sense right pun intended. It makes sense in a

767
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,239
number of ways because if you go out there and win,

768
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,360
I do think there's a possibility you become the head

769
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,719
coach in waiting at Michigan or you're you're pivoting that

770
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,239
after two three years of high level coaching and you're

771
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,840
you're the head coach of an SEC school, a Big

772
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,079
ten school, uh, a ACC school?

773
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: Right?

774
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Does J Hill have a perfect fit for him? Like,

775
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,760
what's where's the perfect fit for J Hill to coach?

776
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:02,039
We've been around him for how many years now, guys three,

777
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,199
you've got to know him.

778
00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:04,639
Speaker 3: You've heard him time and time again.

779
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: Is he a coach that can go anywhere and win

780
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:09,519
or does he have a preference.

781
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,079
Speaker 3: Of who he is? Right?

782
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: The type of player that he's going to recruit to

783
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:19,280
a particular a particular place geographically, culturally speaking, that would

784
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,519
be just a perfect fit. Remember Bronco Menne Hall always

785
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,679
focus on academics. We always said it's either a high

786
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,719
academic institution wherever he goes if he leaves BYU high

787
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,400
academic institution, or he's going to a military academy because

788
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,719
he's a militaristic guy. And we saw that, right, we

789
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,880
saw that, and go to he goes to Virginia. He

790
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,760
then retires for a moment, takes a sabbatical, ends up

791
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,440
at New Mexico, and now he's at Utah State. They

792
00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:46,840
got you know, bull eligible in those two years. Obviously

793
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,079
a builder of men, a great rebuilder of programs. We

794
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,440
know that Bronco can win football games now anywhere, but

795
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,639
he tends to lean towards those things. I would say,

796
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,000
if you've given the choice, if Jay's given the choice,

797
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:01,920
is his choice. Do you think bred I was bringing

798
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,559
the hammer? And Ronald you think about it as well?

799
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. Is it big ten? Is it sec?

800
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 6: I mean, I think to part of the conversation that

801
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,039
we were having last segment, like this is a guy

802
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:18,039
who just wants.

803
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Speaker 3: To be I think one of the greatest of all time.

804
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Speaker 6: And I don't think that that's something that everybody conceptualizes

805
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:25,920
because here's a lot of people listening who they are

806
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,440
very happy with the job that they're in. They're happy

807
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,559
with the house they live in. They're fine with the

808
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:32,199
fact that they were born in one place and have

809
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lived there their whole lives.

810
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Speaker 3: They're good with that, and there's nothing wrong with that.

811
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Speaker 6: But there are some people like j Hill who are

812
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,400
there simply built different. They didn't just get into coaching

813
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,159
so they could someday be the head coach at BYU.

814
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,119
That's not why J Hill got into coaching, just so

815
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that he could live in Utah for the rest of

816
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his life and be happy. I think J Hill got

817
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,760
into coaching because he wants to be one of the

818
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,039
best to ever do it. So, whether that's the Big Ten,

819
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,719
whether that's the SEC, whether that's the University of Oregon,

820
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,880
univer Georgia, whatever it is, J Hill just strikes me

821
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,119
as a guy as it will never be enough. I

822
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,400
will never be satisfied until I am sitting at the

823
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top with the national championship. And as soon as I

824
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,480
win that national championship, the next day I'm on a

825
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:18,679
recruiting visit because it's there's no guarantees for next year.

826
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,840
That's what I think when I see J Hill, and

827
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,320
again to a lot of the points that we talked

828
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,519
about last segment, who he is, how he was raised

829
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,960
in his football journey. Michigan's not the end goal for him.

830
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:30,480
This is a guy who wants to be one of

831
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,519
the best to ever do it. Yeah, you're you're going

832
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frozen on me.

833
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: Never enough enough, never never enough to void, can never

834
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,440
be filled with dubs, with championships, with Natty's even.

835
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,079
Speaker 3: Ronald the three man Weaver.

836
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: You know, this is a unique and singular situation that

837
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,039
be what he finds itself in. How many times have

838
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:55,840
we seen coordinators position coaches poached by big ten SEC

839
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,960
schools over the years.

840
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: We typically lose maybe recruits here in the state.

841
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: If Utah BYU recruits, Utah recruits to these SEC big TAD,

842
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,840
the former PAC twelve ACC programs.

843
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,079
Speaker 3: But coaches.

844
00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:13,119
Speaker 1: This is a little bit unique in the history of BYU.

845
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,000
What pragmatically would keep j Hill here? If anything you

846
00:41:18,119 --> 00:41:20,039
can do you think of any off the top of

847
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,079
your head that would lead Jay Hill to stay in provo.

848
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 5: H Man, It's tough, and I think the reason why

849
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,679
that's tough for me to answer, Ben is it's he's

850
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,000
following the head coach, you know, Kyle Whittingham, the guy

851
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,159
you played for. That's the that's the tough part. But

852
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,239
I mean there's always reasons to state no matter how

853
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,000
big they are. One of the big reasons is him

854
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,199
and Killanne they speak the same language. I know people

855
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,239
would say that about Witt, but it's like wits on

856
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,920
his way out the door, and Kyle likes to micromanage,

857
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,800
I think more than Kilani does. I I personally believe

858
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,800
that I think Kilanie you know, and he said it again.

859
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,199
I was in Orlando. He's like, He's like, I'm on

860
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,079
the headside guys. I could just be like, no, I'm

861
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:00,800
a jerk, I'm gonna call and do whatever I want.

862
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,880
But I don't, right, so he let he lets literally

863
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,239
them do what they want. He does not micromanage. I

864
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,679
think his staff means he is not in the meetings.

865
00:42:08,679 --> 00:42:10,800
He is not, you know, doing his job as a

866
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,119
head coach. But I think j Hill is allowed to

867
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,920
recruit the way he wants to recruit. He's allowed to

868
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,039
call the players. I don't think Kline really overrides a lot.

869
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,360
I don't necessarily know if Kyle would would do the same.

870
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
I could be wrong, but you got to remember, as

871
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:25,639
being a former player, sometimes.

872
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: You class what's your head coach?

873
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 3: You do you?

874
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: Hey, I think this is the best way. Know this well,

875
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,599
I'm seeing it this way. Sometimes that that little competitive

876
00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,719
nature can get in there now with coaching. But I

877
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,519
think with Kline, him and Jay Hill have a great

878
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:41,320
relationship and he has full control over what he can do.

879
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,079
So maybe that's the one of the reasons is that

880
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,880
that that could be a sign of all right, how

881
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,280
much is Kyle gonna want to have his hand in

882
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,440
the defense with Jay? Is he going to be completely

883
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,960
hands off? I think Jay Hill brings a game plan

884
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,280
to Kiline. Colonney's like I like that, and he's like,

885
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,840
how about we at this too cool?

886
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: I think Kyle might.

887
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 5: Be like, no, we're going to do this, and I

888
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,119
don't know if that would sit well, which I could

889
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,239
be wrong, but I think the relationship he has with

890
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,480
the Kialanie is what I'm getting at. And then another

891
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,480
reason is I hope this doesn't come off the you know,

892
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:11,039
the wrong way is I mean, you got family here

893
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,639
and you know he had some some health concerns last year,

894
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,880
Like that was a big deal in having family close

895
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,280
and that you grew up here and you know, maybe

896
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,119
that does keep you close. I think that could have

897
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,320
a chance to keep Jay you know around right. Uh,

898
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,280
maybe going to Michigan a high pressure, high level environment

899
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,719
and maybe Ben, you could shed some light.

900
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,559
Speaker 4: Is that good for your health? Is that good for

901
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:33,840
your heart?

902
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 5: Not saying that you don't have that in the Big

903
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,800
twelve and at BAU, but you feel comfortable. There's a

904
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,360
lot of pressure that's gonna come going to Michigan. Ben,

905
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:44,000
you are three loss low one hundred percent. Well that's

906
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,400
the thing, like you with your three loss team in

907
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Michigan they're calling for your job, which is absurd, but

908
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,800
that's what they do. So it's a national championship of

909
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,760
BUS three lost team at b YU, you're in the

910
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,519
title game. Potentially, that's a great season. So that's the difference,

911
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,360
is well with that out on his health, I don't know.

912
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:58,440
I'm not trying to project anything either, and I hope

913
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,400
people and you don't think that, but that is a

914
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,559
concern for me of added stress and pressure outside stuff

915
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,039
outside of football and other people on you and what

916
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,159
you see, you know, and even if he's not on

917
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,039
social media, you know, the stress on your family, what

918
00:44:11,079 --> 00:44:13,360
your family has to go through. That's a lot, you know,

919
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:14,960
for you to have to you know, deal with as

920
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,840
a person, and I think all coaches do a great

921
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,599
job of pushing it out. But that's more what I'm

922
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,360
worried about. And I think that could keep you here

923
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,199
if anything in the fan base loves you. Look, you're

924
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:25,840
not gonna have a more beloved fan base that's gonna

925
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,000
love you and you know, still be there for you

926
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,039
even during the down days. You have a five and

927
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:32,320
seven season, four and eight season in Michigan. They don't

928
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,360
want to see you even with all the disrespect to Arogeins,

929
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,719
which I don't understand. Sometimes that part of the fan base,

930
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:40,679
that fan base still I think, knows there's not a

931
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,159
better coordinator to have and they just say that because

932
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,760
they emotionally react. But when it's all said and done,

933
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,239
when there's no emotion, they they do love a Rod

934
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,960
and they do want him here and they love this team.

935
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,679
So I don't know, but those are my only reasons

936
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,559
I could think of. But it's gonna be tough. Money

937
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,280
and recruiting and resources. They do help you to get

938
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,280
to where you want to get to. And like I said, Wisconsin,

939
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,960
I think is the opportunity. You know, if it fails

940
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,480
at Penn State with James not James Franklin, with the

941
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,840
what is it Matt Campbell, I think j Hill could

942
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:11,679
be there as a corner.

943
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,159
Speaker 4: You never know.

944
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,119
Speaker 5: I don't know if Michigan State's an option, but I

945
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:15,880
think I think Jay Hill is a big ten coach.

946
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,639
Knowing his personality and the vibes that I get with

947
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:20,039
those guys being defensive guys.

948
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:21,039
Speaker 4: But that's kind of how I feel.

949
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: Ben, Yeah, I.

950
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,039
Speaker 1: Agree with you from a person personality Standford for a

951
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:29,000
play calling and recruiting.

952
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:29,159
Speaker 3: Style, Stamper.

953
00:45:29,199 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: I think he fits into the Big ten culture more

954
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360
so than like SEC culture my personal opinion.

955
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:34,079
Speaker 3: So I think you're right.

956
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,599
Speaker 1: I think you bring us very valid pragmatic reasons why

957
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:41,239
he would stick it out at BYU, And I'll add

958
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,280
to them because I think you guys both bring up

959
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,559
some very valid points in this discussion regarding j Hill.

960
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,880
The latest reports coming out of Michigan, Okay, just insiders

961
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,880
discussing it. As I've aggregated and accumulated these reports. Running

962
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,000
is back coach, running backs coach, so we're talking offensive

963
00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,760
and defense side of the ball.

964
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 3: Okay.

965
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: Michigan running back coach Tony Alford has reportedly been offered

966
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,480
a chance to stay on the staff. Remember there are

967
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,800
connections with the Alford family and the Whittingham family. Max Alford,

968
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,639
currently on the BA football Team's father, late father was

969
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,519
coaching at the University of Utah before passing away. So

970
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:19,199
this is the brother, Tony of Max's father. Okay, potentially

971
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,519
filling one of the two or three remaining openings. Okay

972
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,519
for Coyldenham's staff that he mentioned he's gonna retain some.

973
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,480
There's gonna be like six or seven new coaches. Two

974
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,719
to three retain defense coordinator. Right, this is one this

975
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,679
most impactful that we're talking about here. Reports indicate Whittingham

976
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,199
is targeting bu D C J. Hill for the same

977
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,960
role at Michigan. Hill had interest in bringing Gary Anderson Okay,

978
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,199
though by head coach Kolini Stycke's actively trying to retain

979
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,760
Hill cornerbacks coach. The two acquisitions the two individuals he

980
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,079
wants to bring with him for his scheme, Gary Anderson

981
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,000
and General Guildford.

982
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:55,639
Speaker 3: Okay.

983
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: Hill is also said to be interested in Jenneral Guildford,

984
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,719
but BYU expects sit I get to fight hard to

985
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,360
keep him. Just believe Guildford may pursue the BYU defense

986
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,639
coordinating job if he'll departs. Okay, then you have the

987
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:10,360
wide receivers coach reportedly leaning towards young coach from Texas.

988
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,519
This alligance with like the O C. Jason Beck right

989
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,519
being being brought in from Utah, et cetera. So and

990
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:20,840
then Jim Hording offensive line coach, is not guaranteed that

991
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,639
he's gonna be there at Michigan. So I'm giving you

992
00:47:22,679 --> 00:47:25,320
offense and defense here. Let's go back to the defense side.

993
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:25,519
Speaker 3: Of the ball.

994
00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:30,199
Speaker 1: If j Hill cannot get Gary Anderson and Genoa to

995
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:34,880
come with him to ann Arbor? Should he go? And

996
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,159
I would say that is a big fat risk you're running.

997
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: I don't do it?

998
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 3: Then Nope, That's what I'm saying. Does that make sense?

999
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: You got to convince Gary, who's you know, sixty one,

1000
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,880
still a phenomenal mind, phenomenal coach. But he's a senior

1001
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,559
analyst and he's probably found some work life balance fight

1002
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,920
he's made plenty of money. He goes to Michigan, doesn't

1003
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,079
get to keep that safe balance because he had to

1004
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:03,559
keep that same work life balance and see kids, see

1005
00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:06,440
grandkids and all those things. Like it's all about what

1006
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,559
you want. And although he would love nothing more than

1007
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,000
to help out his boy Jay Hill, who he helped

1008
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:15,320
out at Weber and helped out in provo over the

1009
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:20,039
last four years as an analyst for Gary's defense, does

1010
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,719
he want to go to and Arbor Michigan? It does

1011
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,800
his wife? Does Gary's wife want to go to ann Arbor.

1012
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,920
I've been an art It's great, it's awesome to be

1013
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,920
goes like all those things. But you need a village,

1014
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,719
you need talented people you trust surrounding you. If you don't,

1015
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,760
you may have a steeper learning curve. You got Kyle there,

1016
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,760
Kyle and Jay can do it. Yeah, but who do

1017
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,119
you trust? Who do you trust to bring in around

1018
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:51,039
you to implement your schemes, your techniques, your philosophies, and

1019
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,159
implement that at a high level and accelerated level so

1020
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:56,679
that you can win now. Because if you don't hit

1021
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,400
quota two years in a row. In my in the

1022
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,119
med divine world that I live in, you don't hit

1023
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:03,400
quite a two years in a row.

1024
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: You're out. You're done, You're fired, You're fired.

1025
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: So that's the same thing that goes for the Big

1026
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,639
ten college football world, the SEC college football world. There

1027
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:17,840
was rumblings that killing de Bor was gonna be fired

1028
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,840
if he didn't win, or that he was gonna leave.

1029
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,119
He was gonna be targeted by Michigan if he didn't

1030
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:27,159
win that first round playoff game against Oklahoma. They got

1031
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:29,800
him by the skin of their teeth. Maybe not even

1032
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,760
due to the meritocracy of their their resume. Anyway, if

1033
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,719
Gennaro doesn't come because he's like, well, I could be

1034
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,840
the next DC at BYU, then.

1035
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 3: Who do you love? Now? Who do you love?

1036
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,519
Speaker 1: You know, what do you do, so I would say

1037
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:52,239
from a pragmatic standpoint, you're taking a big risk by

1038
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,159
going over there. How robust is Jay Hills network? Can

1039
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:58,679
you rely on the guys that you relied on at Weber?

1040
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Who can you take from BYU staff? Who could you

1041
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,440
take from Utah staff? That's not always sticking out with

1042
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:09,920
Morgan Scalley in Salt Lake City? Is Justinnna gonna go?

1043
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,159
Is Kelly Papinga gonna go to an Arbor? Probably not?

1044
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,039
Probably not? Is Gennaro?

1045
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:16,519
Speaker 3: Maybe?

1046
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: Possibly? Right, Like, there's a lot to take in there.

1047
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,840
So when I'm talking about pragmatism and getting out there

1048
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,960
and and and you get a top ten roster, that's great,

1049
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,559
But who's coaching up your guys?

1050
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,039
Speaker 3: And how robust is your network?

1051
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: How often are you going to that AFCA Coaches convention

1052
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,199
in developing high level relationships, high level trust with coaches

1053
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:46,199
from around the country that are not going to be

1054
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,960
ego driven and selfish and just use you to get

1055
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,960
to their next spot, but to build something special and

1056
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,239
and in ann Arbor, right, So, like there's a lot

1057
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:59,960
to take in there.

1058
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 4: Can I read tweet if that's okay?

1059
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 5: This is from the g Man and he'll co host

1060
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:07,119
tomorrow to give you guys a teas and more on

1061
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:09,360
this discussion. But to this topic, he said this the

1062
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,920
other day. Nothing is a visual but if Jay Hill

1063
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,199
and Kyle Wodingham bring in Coach G to Michigan, and

1064
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,239
it speaks loudly to just how just the quality of

1065
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,719
who Coach G is. I mean him being a double

1066
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,280
minority at BYU is a huge aspect, but it doesn't

1067
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:23,280
mean a thing at Michigan.

1068
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 3: What doesn't mean.

1069
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 5: What it does mean LA FORG is that he is

1070
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,760
very a very very good coach, which he is. Anyway,

1071
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,960
it'll be a huge loss for by U. And I

1072
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,800
could well argue that Coach G would be tougher to

1073
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,960
replace than Coach Hill. And when you add that aspect,

1074
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,039
ben if Jail.

1075
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,599
Speaker 4: Is a phenomenal coach.

1076
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 5: But part of that success that BYU has had is

1077
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,880
defensive backs. You've told me this, the toughest position to

1078
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,639
recruit and to recruit at BAU is defensive back.

1079
00:51:49,679 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 4: And you said some stuff in a lass, mainly corner right.

1080
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,079
Speaker 5: And when I say defensive back, I'm talking about corner particular,

1081
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,400
just cornerback right. So if you can't get G to

1082
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,199
go and you can't get Gary, and I think that

1083
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,519
risk is above ninety percent, But if both of them

1084
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:06,599
are on board, I think the risk drops.

1085
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: You know, I would say under twenty percent.

1086
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,599
Speaker 5: I think a big part of there's a reason why

1087
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:13,519
Gennaro Ben got promoted to defensive pass game coordinator. There's

1088
00:52:13,519 --> 00:52:15,440
a reason you don't just do that. And Jay Hill

1089
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,039
has spoken highly of g and I think he knows that.

1090
00:52:18,519 --> 00:52:20,880
Another guy that's been able to help out this year

1091
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,960
Ben on the I don't know. I think he's on

1092
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,360
the staff is Eddie Hecker. Eddie has been around the

1093
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,559
team helping and Eddie, if he doesn't get hurt. Ben,

1094
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,039
remember we had him on, I interviewed him, broke his foot,

1095
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,400
he'd probably be playing in the league. Jacob Robinson saw

1096
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,360
him last night on the sideline with the San Francisco

1097
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,119
forty nine ers.

1098
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 4: It goes around coach g and that and under j Hill.

1099
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,639
Speaker 5: So you have to think if Jay Hill goes, he

1100
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:43,559
wants Gennaro with him, But if he can't convince him

1101
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,880
to go, if he can't convince Gary, remind you Ben,

1102
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,360
Gary was over his should against Iowa State. Let's scrap

1103
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,800
the game plan and start over. If those two are

1104
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,639
the most pivotal pieces with j Hill a part of

1105
00:52:53,679 --> 00:52:56,039
this defense. If he'll goes he wants him to go

1106
00:52:56,119 --> 00:52:58,400
to but if they can't, that's a huge risk. Ben,

1107
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,880
And I don't know if you can take that, So

1108
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,199
I would I would lean and say you don't convince

1109
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,280
those guys. No, And maybe I'm wrong, like you said,

1110
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,719
maybe he's got a better network. I only know so little,

1111
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,320
but I think those are a pivotal piece of part

1112
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,119
of this BYU culture, this BAU defense, and a part

1113
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:13,960
of who j Hill is and what he wants to

1114
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,880
run and if they can't go then yet he's saying,

1115
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:18,639
I think I think j Hill would he could stay, Ben,

1116
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,199
he could stay if that were the case.

1117
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot to take in okay, and I think

1118
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,400
it would be different. Yeah, he could take any he

1119
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,960
could take Gavin Fowler, you can take a lot of guys.

1120
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,079
But it sounds like they're not being named in these situations.

1121
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:38,320
It's Gennaro and Gary Anderson, his two top coaching recruits

1122
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,920
may not be willing to go. Dan Arbor no matter

1123
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,920
how much you pay him. It has nothing to do

1124
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,559
with pay. It has more to do with what other

1125
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:53,800
opportunities you know, work life balance. You know, as g

1126
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,199
man brought up at BYU. Gennaro is a differentiator, like

1127
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,480
he everything that he does.

1128
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,639
Speaker 3: It's similar to Brian Mitchell. You guys don't know Brian Mitchell.

1129
00:54:05,639 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: Brian Mitchell is a former BAU defensive back that was

1130
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:12,039
the cornerbacks coach for Lavelle Edwards for like twenty years.

1131
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,519
Brian Mitchell's job was never at risk. Ever, no one's

1132
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:24,639
criticizing Brian Mitchell. He recruits well, he develops. While he

1133
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,800
was an NFL corner, He's one of the best corners

1134
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:27,800
in BA football history.

1135
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 3: What does General have going for him? One of the

1136
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,920
best corners in BOA football history.

1137
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,599
Speaker 1: He got a stint, I believe in the league as

1138
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:37,719
a professional, he had some injury issues. Right, He's a

1139
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:43,079
differentiator in provo. What makes you different at Michigan? What

1140
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,039
makes you different in the SEC? You know what I mean?

1141
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:48,280
So there's a lot to take in there from a

1142
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,920
pragmatic standpoint, and I think the world of General Guildford

1143
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,760
I think is extremely talented. He could be a defensive

1144
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,639
coordinator in another place. It all depends on what you're wanting, right,

1145
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,519
what do you want? Do you like the passing game coordinator,

1146
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:10,039
quarterbacks coach. Do you like that every individual is h

1147
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,880
is seeking certain things and you're only as good as

1148
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,400
your anecdotes? And I do think there is value in

1149
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:24,760
the synergy and the non ego driven defensive unit and

1150
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,920
even offensive unit that BYU created this season.

1151
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: I pointed this out.

1152
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:31,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it real quick before we go to

1153
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,840
break post it a little bit ago. Cougar fans chime

1154
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,039
in on it. Do you agree or disagree with me here?

1155
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:43,199
And what I'm getting at with this this paragraph of commentary,

1156
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,360
I think you need to be optimistic about the future

1157
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,400
no matter what happens.

1158
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,639
Speaker 3: Over the past two to.

1159
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,199
Speaker 1: Three seasons, BYU has assembled the most well resourced, most experienced,

1160
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:55,719
the most collectively talented defensive staff in program history.

1161
00:55:56,599 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 3: This was never a one man operation.

1162
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: It is a deep system built on shared philosophy, continuity, synergy,

1163
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:08,599
and institutional knowledge. What BYU has built defensively, I don't

1164
00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:11,719
believe is just fragile, you know, hanging by a whim,

1165
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:16,079
hanging by a thread type of situation. It won't topple

1166
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:19,039
so easily as some may think. The BA Brandon culture

1167
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:21,400
is a firm foundation that supersedes the abilities and talents

1168
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,440
of any one coach.

1169
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,079
Speaker 3: In my opinion.

1170
00:56:23,679 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: Coaches may move on and they always doing college football,

1171
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,400
but the infrastructure and the standards in the institution that

1172
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,920
drives and remain firmly in place. By who has had

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four different head coaches since nineteen seventy two and has

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overachieved for the last fifty plus years versus their roster

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talent and their coaching talent. In many ways, BA has

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one more games per dollars spend than any college football

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program in the country during the last fifty plus years.

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They're top ten and wins. Guys, they're number five in fact.

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Only teams that are ahead of them Ohio State, Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia.

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You know who's behind them, Michigan, Florida State, clems in Nebraska,

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Penn State. Pretty good company over fifty year period, right,

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Pretty impressive, ladies and gentlemen, Very impressive. Okay, So you

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take all that into account, B why you will continue

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to win now more than ever? I believe because of

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its institutional brand that I just reference the P four

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affiliation and the resources that are coming with that. That's

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robust data sets that should lead to optimism not fear

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of the future due to coaching staff attrition.

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Speaker 3: Those are my thoughts on the matter.

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Speaker 1: It's likely to happen that Jay Hill leaves, but there's

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still a chance he doesn't, and I haven't heard any

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news that would lead me to The longer this takes,

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the more likely it could be that Jay Hill's retained.

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So hope that there's no breaking news during our show.

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Speaker 3: I guess we'll see.

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