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Speaker 3: I want to thank you for tuning into this episode
of the Big Truth Podcast. And uh, I got a
besides M four's, I haven't done it in house one
in a while. I think Lashley was the last one
where we did an in house podcast. But I got
my man Bob here Bendell, who you might know from
local hardcore band like Glory Drained. He's got a metal
band on your deathbed. You had a whole litany of
other bands like Terrorizing and different bands that I you know,
you'd have to run through the whole roll of decks
of that because as we all you know have you
know that have been involved in music for a long time,
have a whole litany of bands on our resumes. But yeah,
you're an interest in dude that I wanted to have
on because you know, you do that stuff. You do
haunts and you know, I had a Bill on who's
also a guy that does haunted house stuff. And you
were a paranormal researcher for a while you were you
were doing it right from like a while, like you
were doing it like like before it was like a
big thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, i'd say kind of. Yeah. I actually started
doing it back in the Drain days, like without knowing
what I was doing. Really, I found some books in
the area once specifically it was called New England Ghost Files,
and it almost gave exact addresses of areas in like Rehobeth.
Speaker 4: Taunt In area and stuff.
Speaker 5: So me and some of the dudes from Drained and
some of the dudes from like East Side, you remember
those guys. Ye, Yeah, we'd just jump in a van
and just drive around the area and and we'd go
to local spots and just leave me in this graveyard
for a while, come back in like twenty minutes or whatever,
you know what I mean, just trying to see stuff.
So like it all started with doing things like that
and just trying to basically scare each other into into
like you know, conceding that yep, ghosts surreal, you know
what I mean. It's one of those passions of wanting
to see something and never really getting that full payoff,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So you started off just like going off and hanging
out to these spots. But didn't you got into it
like more though, didn't you guys get like because you
had like a whole paranormal like right, like an investigation group.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember New England it was.
Speaker 5: It was a Pilgrim paranormal Research and uh, it was
myself and a few guys from at the time I
worked for Comcast Cable and we just would like it
was literally right when like ghost Hunters started, and when
ghost Hunters started and Taps was the was the thing,
and it was still like not a ton of people
watched it right away, so it didn't like pick up.
But like I was watching it, I was like, Hey,
these dudes, like they're not just putting on anything to
be like, oh, that's that's a ghost, that's this. Like
I liked the fact that they were real people that
were trying to actually not disprove things, but like have
an actual reason for why things could be going on
instead of it's a ghost and and all that, you
know what I mean. So I was talking to some
of the guys at my work at the time and
they were like, yeah, I like that show too, So
we all would talk about it and then we were
just like, I know, somebody that's got house that they
say is haunted, which happened to be my brother.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And we were like, let's get some equipment and stuff,
so we'd see the things that they were using, like
EMF meters, uh, you know, voice recorders, just regular still
photos and things like that. So we would just get
a bunch of stuff and all of us would just
order stuff online and just start doing our own ghost hunts,
you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're just like you see what they you
were all. It was kind of like seeing what they
were using on the show would inform the stuff you
looked into. How how else did you get Like did
you research like how to do this stuff? Or did
you just kind of wing it?
Speaker 4: Because I mean, I know, hardcore you're from a hardcore background.
Speaker 3: We have a super strong DIY ethic, which is like,
all right, fucking let's do it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's pretty much what we did, you know
what I mean. So we would watch the show and
and and get ideas from that, and then we actually
did some research because you know, the internet was was
a thing still then and this was this was back
in two thousand and seven. I think was when we
when we started around that timeframe, and so we just
go on the internet and look in the area if
there were like other paranormal groups, and sure enough, there
was one on the Cape called CAPERS and this guy
Derek Bartlett, and we found out that like on Friday
nights he would do these paranormal seminars at Cape Cog
Community College. So we just go there and like people
like Steve Balanger and a bunch of other people would
do like, uh seminars on different things, like like that
Steve Blander guy, he wrote a book called Weird Massachusetts.
It's a whole bunch of like, uh, you know, ghost
stories and weird things that's happening in Massachusetts obviously hence
the hence the title. But uh, you know, so we'd
end up talking to them, and we talked to the
leader of CAPERS, which is Cape and Island's Research Society,
you know that acronym, and uh, we talked to him
and we were like, you know, we're really into the
into like TAPS and the paranormal thing that they're doing
and and we kind of want to do our own thing.
And he was like, well, there's actually a society of
ghost hunting groups called American Ghost Society. It was this guy,
Troy Taylor that kind of like put out this book
of like ghost Hunting one oh one almost, you know
what I mean. So, like we found out you could
actually become an affiliate of that society, so we signed
up for that, We got the books, and we're part
of that. So we're like right right out the gate.
We were already trying to like get involved with everything,
you know what I mean. So because of talking to
them and just getting our name out there, we started
a website and then we just started reaching out to
places that we had heard, you know, had some phenomena
go on. So we like the Millicine Library and beh Haven.
We did a investigation there. We did the USS Salem
in Quincy, which is a pretty cool like supposedly ghost ship,
you know, just a bunch of different things.
Speaker 4: That's what Being Packer had. The events. We used to
do a chopper and hot rod show there nice on
the boat. Yeah, the pre party would be on the boat.
Speaker 3: Well, the show used to be at the boat when
it was at the old Doc and they moved to
a different dock that was a lot smaller and right
next to Boston Robotics or whatever that place is. They
don't like anyone being around there, So we could do
the pre party there, but not the whole big show.
Speaker 4: It wasn't big enough anymore. It was a cool boat.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, super cool, and it was like good, Like
it was crazy how the people that ran it would
give us such unprecedented access absolutely because you're not going
to break anything. It's a fucking battleship or a warship
and whatever.
Speaker 4: We literally had the run of it. Yeah, they were
just like you'd go anywhere. It was cool. It was
cool man.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so so yeah, I didn't realize there was
I knew there was different groups and everything, but it's
cool that it seemed like there was like a good
structure and like like a lot of potential for networking
in that world.
Speaker 5: Like it was definitely a good support system, you know
what I mean, Like there wasn't a lot we didn't
run into a lot of like gatekeeping when it came
to the paranormal community, because in a way, it was
kind of weird. I don't want to say in the
ground up, but it kind of was almost the ground up,
you know what I mean, Like the early day was
it yea or in this renaissance of it, right, yeah, right, right.
I mean there's there's tons of groups now even to
this day. I mean I even got reached out to
not that long ago for a sale in Paranormal convention.
They're like, hey, you guys want to come out, like
we're not a thing anymore, but thank you. You know,
I'm glad you heard of us. You know, so it
was still pretty cool.
Speaker 4: You know, it's cool. Man.
Speaker 3: It always seems like no matter what the scene is, right,
whether it was like paranormal research, are like the early
days of the resurgence of choppers in the early two thousands,
or you know, like punk and hardw you get in
the ground level, it seems like that's when it's the
most And I'm not saying it's it's I don't want
to say it's the most authentic, but it's like there's something,
there's more camaraderie. And then as things grow and get bigger,
people that aren't in it for the same reasons yep,
kind of just climb into it for whatever they start
it on TV or yeah blah blah blah, and then
it gets weird, man, Like people get like that's when
all like the bullshit comes in, you know what I mean,
too many people involved in stuff like fox it up
sometimes you know, yeah, it brings cool people in, but
it also brings whatever, and you know what I mean,
it just brings too many complications sometimes, you know what
I mean. And that's when like the elitism and the
cattiness and the gate keeping. My stop, where is that?
At first, everyone's like, yo, let's do this.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean later on, like not that
far later on, because we were only a thing for
I don't know, i'd say probably three or four years
and then but a like kind of at that point
was when I started noticing like other groups and other
shows and stuff that I was like, man, the way
those people are doing things just I just don't get it.
You know, like dudes doing doing investigations, walking around carrying
a beer and stuff.
Speaker 4: It's like, how profecd are you?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, that's that's not how you do it? You know.
Speaker 3: When I the one I thought was funny, I don't
remember what it is because there's so much of that. Yeah,
there was like the guy I think he was like
a retired New York City cop and he would just
like go and like try and challenge the ghost to
like fight him.
Speaker 4: Did you know what I'm talking about? He was such
a meat boll.
Speaker 3: He was like just like coming at him hard, like
show yourself like you was just like challenging. I was like, like,
what are you trying to fight these like spirits? Dude?
Speaker 4: Like what do you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Like nothing?
Speaker 3: But so you know, while while we're on this, you know,
I figured we were gonna get on punk stuff first,
but like, let's roll with this now, let's come while
you were doing like you see, you guys had like
a you know, a few years into it. I just
remember seeing you posting all the time on Facebook back
in the day about it, and that's stuck out of
my head all that time that you, you know, that
you were doing actively researching. What was did you see
anything or what were some of the more standout events
to you?
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I wish I could tell you I
had that aha moment of that full apparition, but I
did not. A couple of times we pretty much just
had things we couldn't explain away, you know what I mean. Uh,
EVPs were very prevalent, like knocks where there should not
have been a knock in the house. Things like that,
voices where you should not have heard anyone, like we're
in the middle of the night, in the middle of
the town where no one's.
Speaker 4: At you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And we what we would always do was we would
what we did our voice recorders. We would always sound
off where we were so we knew where each person was.
Speaker 4: So when we.
Speaker 5: Listened back to all our all of our audio, we
would be like, all right, so that time so and
so was here, there's no way we would have heard
them in this spot, you know what I mean. So
we would we would cross reference all of our stuff
so we could explain away any things that we thought
were something, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So there were a couple of times that we had
some some audio stuff that we couldn't explain away. When
I was at the gristmill in Plymouth, Massachusetts, I saw
something when I moved a certain way in the gristmill,
and I don't know what it was. None of our
team was anywhere near there, so I I couldn't explain
that away. Just things like that, like, uh, we one
time we were in the Plymouth Cemetery doing an investigation
late at night and something flew overhead like huge, Like
I don't know what it was, but it was big
and it wasn't a bird, you know what I mean.
I don't triangle, I don't know because it was in Plymouth,
so you know, Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: It's big, it can it can it? Can? It can
cover from ground?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's Plymouth, the oldest cemetery in
the in the country, you know what I mean. So,
like we were definitely hoping something was going to go on,
and something did, but it was Again, we can't explain
what it was. We didn't get anything on footage or
anything like that.
Speaker 4: So what did it look like? A shadow or something? Yeah,
it was.
Speaker 5: It was a shadow and it was definitely winged, you
know what I mean. So like we three of us
saw it. It went over our heads, over the trees,
and it definitely was I'd say at least six foot wingspan,
you know what I mean, That's what we all saw,
you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 4: So so you know when you mentioned VP, did you
get any crazy EVPs?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean definitely some voices that we couldn't couldn't
really make out. Like, anytime someone listens to an EVP,
they can try to you can say it, oh, it
says this, it says that, I'm.
Speaker 4: Not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: That's like one of the most annoying things because nine
times out of ten, when people are listening to an
EVP on like these shows or whatever, and they're like, oh,
it said this, and I'm like, did it because it don't.
Speaker 4: Sound like that to me. Man, you know you know
what I mean, I completely agree.
Speaker 3: I know I'm kind of toned deaf from forty years
of hardcore shows and whatnot, But I'm like, you share about.
Speaker 4: That like that, dude. You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: How many times can you hear get out?
Speaker 4: You know, you get out? It's like always said get out.
It said no, it didn't, you know, that's what you
want to hear. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's why I say, like, I don't know
exactly what they were saying, but like it caught something.
We caught something was definitely a what sounded like a
human voice, and of course, you know, one team member
will be like, oh it said this, and I'll be like, yeah,
I didn't hear that. I think it might have said this.
You know what I mean, so that's why I'm like, oh, yeah,
the Knox at my brother's house in New Bedford was
was pretty prevalent in it.
Speaker 4: We didn't know what it could be.
Speaker 5: Actually. Also at his house, we had a camera full on.
Speaker 4: Move ninety degrees and we know it moved.
Speaker 5: No one was nearby to like hit a chord or
anything to make it move, but we saw the you
see the ir actually move from another camera from another angle.
So it's it's pretty cool, you know what I mean. Yeah,
I mean we did some some cool investigations. Some stuff
was just like a whole night of of doing nothing
and finding nothing, but that's part of the part of
the gig, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So so after all this, do you you know, where
are you at in your belief with this stuff? Like
you do you think there's something out there? Or do
you still are you still like healthily skeptic?
Speaker 4: You know I am.
Speaker 5: I'm i'd say healthily skeptic like that, but in a
in a positive way, like where I'm still very optimistic
of the fact that I do believe that there are
things going on, because, in my opinion, you'd be kind
of foolish to think that the energy in your body
just goes away, you know what I mean, Like there's
so much going on for you to not continue on
in some form, you know what I mean what that
form is, I don't know, and and I don't know,
you know, none of us have those answers. So I
would love to find those things out. So I am
very h optimistic that there is something, but I'm very
skeptical of it. Is like I'm very, uh, very skeptical
about mediums and psychics and things like that, because I
believe in it, I very much do, and I believe
that some people do.
Speaker 4: Have that power. But I'm very skeptical and I'm very
uh on guard, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well and you got to be, you
got to be. But yeah, I feel the same way
I say, I know there's something out there. I just
don't know exactly what it is, right and you know,
and it's like, you know, I don't know if anyone
really does. I mean, I know, it's weird because you
also sometimes you have to trust people on face value
like that, you know, people have had experiences and it's
like all right, cool, like yeah, if what you're saying,
you know, I have a lot of like weird episodes
on this and people like do you believe that person?
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't believe or disbelief.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I have someone on because they have
an interesting story, yeap, And it's like, my take is
I think we talked about this when we're at that
the flea market the other day. It was like, if
any of it's true, the world's a way more interest
in place, Yeah for it, you know what I mean?
And I hope it is, but I don't, you know,
I don't know, right, And but that's why I don't
interrupt people a lot, like when I have like people
on that mic, Like I've had some really like some
like wild did you ever hear about like Mars twenty
and back missions and things like that. I've had guys
talking about that stuff like that felt like they were
abducted by Satanic colts, sent to like Mars to work
for the aliens and this and all this crazy stuff.
And I'm like, the guy seems pretty normal, like when
you look at his regular Instagram and you know, you know,
pretty like we had. We talked about motorcycles, we talked
about all kinds of stuff like and then he gets
into his story, and it's it's a wild one, and
it's like I don't know, like I hope, you know,
like half of me hopes it's not true because this
dude went through.
Speaker 4: Some shit, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But half of me like, yeah, if any of it
is true, like goddamn, the world is wild, you know
what I mean, Like and way more wild than we
even know, and and and you know, it'll explain a
lot of like why a lot of things are the
way they are, like like and hidden from us because
because it's got to be right. But yeah, I actually
think that that fire in this guy that Travis Walton
cases probably one of the more.
Speaker 4: Believable. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I actually met Travis Walton in Amityville, New York at
a convention. Super nice dude. Yeah, it was weird to
meet him because like that movie is incredible, you know
what I mean. But I totally think that that could
be a thing, you know what I mean, don't I
don't know. I as far as the paranormal stuff goes,
aliens were one thing I never saw and I never
really got to.
Speaker 4: I'm very interested in it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And it's like things like you know, obviously all really
have his movies and stuff to really to go to
for the most part, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of move you know, but
like I don't and I guess, so let me preface
it like this. I don't doubt something happened to him. Yeah, Yeah,
he was abducted and taken somewhere where that is.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Was it extraterrestrials from another planet that brought him out
on the spaceship, I don't know, or was it something
more interdimensional or something docker who knows? Right, I got
a guy coming on named Nathaniel Gillis. We're gonna be
I think we're recording next week. And he has like
a whole theory like that, this whole phenomenon is like
really one thing and it presents itself. It's an intelligence
that's been here on Earth for a long time, and
that it presents itself as different things. It can present
itself as an alien, can prevent itself as a demon
or like a ghost or spirit or whatever. And it's
just like it presents itself to different people differently for
you know, ah, strategic reasons, like you know what I mean,
It's because it's so it's messing around. It's not it's
not a it's not a benevolent intelligence. It's a little
more nefarious.
Speaker 5: So does he also think that maybe that same entity
or or thing is what people see when they think
they see like gods.
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's what we'll find out. We'll get into that.
So and that's yeah, that's a for everybody. Listen to this.
Speaker 3: When you're with this one, just wait a couple of
weeks and the next one will be out and he
will answer all that. If you've got questions you want
to ask, Nathaniel hit me up ahead of time to
shoot me a DM but yeah, no, like and I
want him, like, I don't want to put words in
his moouth that yeah, because I you know this stuff.
I want to ask him because I've heard him on
other shows and he he goes hard with It's he
comes from a real academic perspective and he goes hard
in the field with this stuff. He's not And he's
got a lot of photographic and video evidence of like
weird goings on of people, like sigils coming through people's skin,
but it's like not on top of the skin, it's
coming from underneath pushing pushing up and crazy weird stuff
like you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I'm stoked like to have him because that one
will be a video on video, so we'll probably have
a little bit more of a presentation with that. But
what got you uh what I know, So it sounds
like you had, uh, you know, you've had some experiences
of where you couldn't explain things away what it is
is still up for whatever. One thing about like going
out It seems like going out on these you know,
you know, going out on these investigations. You know, Yeah,
you ever go into like someone's house and they just
totally tapped. Oh yeah, you know, Like what it's like,
what are some of the funny things? I mean, you know,
obviously don't name names and do anything incriminating, but like
with some of the like the weirdest or like funniest
or like like most like we're gonna get the fuck
out of here type of situations that you might have
had doing that, because I'm sure, you know, I'm sure
you get some people that are genuinely concerned and some
like good people, but I'm sure you also get some
fucking nuts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean, We definitely. For the
most part. We normally would do investigations and the people
wouldn't be stick around, you know. I Mean sometimes they
would because sometimes they wanted to be involved, but most
of the time they kind of just stick to one
area and just kind of like stay there, you know. Yeah,
but we definitely had our share of people that were like,
all right, yeah, so these stories legit, you know what
I mean, And.
Speaker 4: That was what we were there to do.
Speaker 5: We were there to try to help them figure out
if they were crazy or if this might be something
going on. And nine times out of ten we would
find things that would be potentially maybe harmful for them,
like high emf fields. Like one house we investigated on
the Cape, they literally had power lines right in the
back of their house and we went out with the
meters and it was like registering so high. I was like,
this could definitely mess with someone' psyche, you know what
I mean. You know, when you have that constantly, you know,
it's not good, you know. And then we also did
that investigation in New Bedford. We did a one at
one of the investigations that TAPS did on one of
their first seasons was I think it was called the
toxic house. We went and investigated that house as well,
because the guy wasn't happy with their results, and we
pretty much came up with the same results, you know
what I mean, Like like he had he the guy
used to make candles in the workshop similar to this,
and he just like the fumes from that alone were
enough to you know.
Speaker 4: Cause someone to have some issues, you know what I mean.
So like things like that.
Speaker 5: Plus the all had open panels, like electrical panels. It's
like you have EMFs here. You got toxic fumes coming
out of here, you know, no wonder they call it
the toxic house, you know. So like it almost like
he wasn't happy that we came to the same conclusion,
but I hate to say it, like it was what
it was, you know, and.
Speaker 3: At that point, hey, it's better that we're finding this
in the environmental Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean he had cleaned some of it up, but
it was still it was still there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anything any you ever get into any real precarious
or sketchy situations.
Speaker 5: No, knock on wood, No, because not to mention, we
also were rolling like at least four to six people.
Speaker 4: In our groups, so kind of different pre screening.
Speaker 5: Absolutely absolute most of the people that we dealt with
were people that we either knew from someone else or
or found us or or it was like a public.
Speaker 4: Location, you know what I mean That that we weren't
really that worried, you.
Speaker 5: Know, but most of it was people that from friends
of friends or like we did actually have like a
like a psychic that would sometimes go on some investigations
with us, and she would actually get some people that
would talk to her and say, hey, you know, I
would really like someone to come and take a look,
and so we do like joint investigations with them, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So cool man? What what? What? What happened with it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: What did what made you get out of it?
Speaker 5: It wasn't really that I wanted to get out of
it per se. But music kind of was taking off
more because when I started that was in a lull
of when I was really doing much with music.
Speaker 4: So I was looking for something else to pass the time,
you know what I mean. Like I was working, I
just had.
Speaker 5: One one child, I had another one on the way,
and I was like, you know, I wanted to get
get out and do some stuff. So you know, it
was fun for something to do, and it was something
I was interested in, you know. So, but then when
the bands when when the band I was in at
the time, because at that time it was terrorizing, was
kind of taken off and really doing pretty well, and
they they would be we got shows here, we got
shows there, and then they'd be like, oh, we have
an investigation here, and I'm like, well, I got a show,
so I got to go to my show, you know
what I mean. You guys got X amount of people.
You don't need me, you know what I mean. So
it was it kind of sucked because I felt like
I was giving something up that I kind of started,
you know what I mean. But in the same sense,
I knew they could handle it, and I would help
them with footage or you know, listening to audio or
whatever after the fact, you know what I mean. So
one cool thing was we had a server that we
would just dump all of our footage, our videos, our audio, everything,
so we could all sit through the stuff at our
own time, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so say you got to break.
Speaker 3: That stuff up, because if you're in a place in
your recording six hours, I was like, how tedious, and
like you must just want to kill yourself, like when
you're going through like six hours of audio like trying
or is there I'm sure Now there's ways with especially
with like AI and stuff that it can just like, oh,
I'm sure, just just show me the things when it's
like a little.
Speaker 5: Well that's one thing, like like that's a good point. Actually,
like what we would do is we would dump it
on like like Audacity or something like that, and we'd
literally look for any kind of like psych at all
and then we jump to that spot. But for the
most part, like with the video stuff, you'd have to
literally just sit there and watch it. Yeah, you know,
because you can if you you can't do that with
a video, you.
Speaker 4: Know, you just got to watch it.
Speaker 5: So it's just watching this person just sitting in a
room talking to a you know, EMF meter, a K
and K two meter and just be like, you know,
you know what's going on?
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, so you know. But that's the thing.
That's the thing they don't.
Speaker 3: I'm sure the show's probably talk about it, give you
some lips, but that's what you don't see, like you
you know, I think you know the problem with any
quote unquote reality TV is that they're just showing you
the highlights and the good stuff. They're not showing the
six hours of sitting there like ready to fucking eat
a bullet. Well not like yeah, dude, you're like, I
don't want to watch another minute of this, but you
gotta if you're driven to do it.
Speaker 5: And it's not just the post stuff though, you're also
going to do the pre stuff, like you're gonna do
some research about the location, about the area, like things
like that, because if you don't know going into it,
what you might be going into or what to look for,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, so let me ask you. Let me ask you
a question about that.
Speaker 3: Do you think whether you know or at least have
the potential, Like if you do too much research ahead
of time, you might do you know what I'm saying, Like,
is it better to go in cold and not know
or is it better to like you know, like if
you have like too much of a primery You're like,
all right, well let's look for this guy.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, specific guy, And you know
what I'm.
Speaker 5: Saying, Like, no, I totally know what you mean, because
you're right because they're I hate to say it, but
there there were some guys on my team once in
a while that would be like, oh I saw that.
Speaker 4: I saw that.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, all right, let's let's reel it back. Well,
let's what did you actually see?
Speaker 4: What did you hear? You know what I mean. Like
so once in a while, you're.
Speaker 5: Right, you'll have something in your head you're expecting or
or looking for, and if you convince yourself that you're
going to see this, you might. You might see Elvis
if you wanted to, you know what I mean. So
you got to kind of keep a level head. I
like to kind of just know the basics, Like you know,
is is this an area with limestone? Is this uh
an area that sure it might have some history to it,
is that you know, things like that, But we're in
New England.
Speaker 4: There's not a spot that doesn't have history. You know,
you're absolutely right, you know. But that's also why it's
kind of.
Speaker 5: Cool to be able to do this type of stuff
around here, because like we're like we were based out
of Plymouth area, so it was it was I mean,
America's freaking hometown. Is all those hell of ship that
went on?
Speaker 3: You know, It's always funny because like like from here, right,
I lived in other places in Arizona. They're like, you
get an accent. I'm like, no, you get an accent.
I'm like, I'm from Like I live like twenty minutes
from Plymouth Rock.
Speaker 4: Never thought of that. I'm like, you guys got the
accent like this is ye.
Speaker 5: No, I never actually thought of that, but you're absolutely right,
like we're from the hometown.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like I can. I could ride my
bike and go see bicycle and go see Plymouth Rock,
right right right, I mean like you know the fake rock. Yeah,
of course, the little and for anybody that's coming out
here to go see Plymouth Rock, he prepared to be
so underwhelming, so bad.
Speaker 5: One time, funny quick quick Bill story. One time I
forget what it was. It might have been during the
pandemic or something. Bill likes to ride ten speed bikes
all over the place, right, and one day he rode
from New Bedford to Plymouth to Plymouth Rock. And he's like,
post a picture. He's like, rode to Plymouth Rock. My comment,
not the real rock.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And ever since then he's just he's like you like
it was all about his accomplishment and I on it
just by saying nothing. I wasn't trying to ship on
his accomplished. You were making fun of the I was
making fun of the rock but it was just funny.
So like we had everything, we joke back back and
forth with like not the real whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a running gag. Yeah, of course. And I
can see Bill holding onto that. Oh yeah, oh yeah,
and Bill. Bill was on the podcast I forgot.
Speaker 3: I don't know the episode offhand, but go look up
Bill with one L and he talks about we're just
getting out of the season and we'll talk about that next.
But the doing the haunted house stuff, so you went
from like investigations, you know, and now to to actually
scaring kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually that came first, very first. Yeah, I started
doing haunted house stuff when I was in in high school,
early high school nineteen ninety is when I first did
my first haunt, which was at actually the church and
UH then after that I worked at UH at a
professional haunt which was a little bit bigger, at UH
in Fave and at the Fave and Improvement Association.
Speaker 4: So I did.
Speaker 5: Me and my brother we just went We'd throw blood
all over ourselves and just run into walls and scare people,
you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean.
Speaker 3: What what?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 4: What was the drive? Like? What got you into wanting
to do that?
Speaker 5: I just going to haunted houses when I was a
little kid. I always loved them, Like there were certain
ones that I loved, like that one I just was
telling you. I just started I started working at and
then there was one in Fall River at the p
a L Club. Do you remember the pl C p
a L Club. They had a haunted house there. It
was like two floors and it was just you'd sit there,
you'd wait and they'd have old movies on, like Young
Frankenstein and Monster Squad and shit like that, and you'd
sit there and wait and with the anticipation of going
in the haunted house. And then you go in and
and it was just sheets and and you know, Jason
and Freddy And looking back, I'm like that was not
the greatest, but it was so fun to me kid.
Oh yeah, to me a person that doesn't know what
haunted houses are now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like anything though, like technology advances, Yeah, absolutely,
you know, and it's like you know, like it used
to skate, right, yep.
Speaker 4: So I was a skater. That's how I got into
punk rock and hardboy. And we'll get into all that.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, think about like in the early
days of skating, like we were doing like acid drops
and bonuses and like all these just came out and
that was like the big trick everyone like in kickflips
and stuff. And then like you know, the next generation,
that's the first stuff they learned, right, and then it's
like everything advances. So even that world of like haunts
and stuff, like you know, you go when you're a
kid in the eighties or whatever, it's like archaic stuff,
but like the stuff that's available now. Because Bill was
talking about how they have conventions of like haunted like
technology and like new technology and new things and all
this stuff like this like what an industry it's turned into.
Speaker 4: It's it's huge, you know.
Speaker 5: So going to that and then you know, going and
doing it myself was just it was like acome true,
you know what I mean. So me and my brother
we'd always go. My mom would take us to the
Haunted house, loved it. We'd bring friends, we'd all love it.
So then I got to do it.
Speaker 4: It was just it was just amazing, you know.
Speaker 5: So I did that for a few years and then
ended up going up to Spooky World. I worked for
Spooky World for a couple of.
Speaker 4: Years and then.
Speaker 5: Goolie Manor in Taunton. That was at the Taunton Galleria Mall.
I worked there for five years and I've been at
Feartown now for eight years.
Speaker 3: So what do you think the psychology is? Like what
drives people to want to go and just get the
shit scared out of them?
Speaker 4: I know the psychology.
Speaker 5: It's it's being put at a in a dangerous situation
that you know you're safe in.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's basically testing your body's fight or flight instincts in
a controlled situation.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Because I think you know,
humans evolved and we used to have it a lot rougher.
Oh god, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I
think there's I think that's like a genetic memory, like
you know what I mean, Like very rarely do you
have that in normal life today. I mean, I know
some people do, Like depends on what you're involved in
in the world, you know what I mean. Some people
are involved in some sketchy shit, right, So you know
what I mean, And so you get tested that all
the time. But by and large, life is fairly easy
compared to what it was one hundred years ago, one
hundred and fifty years ago, forty years ago, fifty years ago. Right,
So you know, that's what I always wondered, if there's
something like that where people need to have that, like
because genetically we adapted to dealing with that. Now we
don't have to deal with it as much, but there's
all this internal programming in us to deal with it.
And when you're not you know, you know what I mean. Like,
so yeah, we're saying I think the same thing like
I was wondering, you know, if.
Speaker 4: That was part of the deal.
Speaker 5: It's also part of like it's at spooky season, they're
watching horror movies. They want to be part of something
similar to that. So it just basically makes them put
in a horror movie for you know, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes,
and then they're safe, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's it's you know, and then you just got
people that are just.
Speaker 5: Into that type of a thing, you know what I mean,
Like like myself, like I go to I go to
it because again, I love horror movies, so you know,
I want to see you know, I want to see blood.
I want to see carnage. I want to see craziness.
I want people. It's tough for people to scare me
now because I've been watching and doing this type of
stuff for a time. You jump scares or what got
what get me?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, but like at this point, like you're
probably you're going through it in a different way if
you like, say you went to Florida or something. Oh, yeah,
you went to a haunt, you know, like because I'm
sure you probably like that. Like if you're traveling, you
go good, yeah, because you can set your industry. But
you're looking at it from an eye like how are
they doing this? All right?
Speaker 4: I know that one or I know what's coming.
Speaker 3: Next because you know, you're looking at it from the industry. Yeah,
you're looking at the set, but that design's cool that.
Speaker 5: One man, they're slacking their Like I'm looking at the sets,
I'm looking at the makeup, but I'm also critiquing in
my head because I'm an actor manager, so like I'm
critiquing and things like that, like you know, that person
should have should have came out again, you know what
I mean, Like they popped out once and this whole
rest of the line, didn't get scared, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, but what what? What?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: What keeps you into that?
Speaker 3: Like you know, and you think you've probably already kind
of just addressed it by by everything we're talking about,
but like you've been involved in that world for a
long time, Like what keeps you coming back to that?
Because I know that you know right now you can
take a breath, But the last few weeks you probably
like had zero free time like running, you know, balancing
a lot, you know what I mean, especially out here
in New England, Like Halloween's are huge or deal a
huge thing.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, it's it's it's definitely a busy, busy
time of year pretty much from August all the way
until like mid November, because you got to set up.
Well I don't set up we have we have I
have other guys. Well I don't have other guys, think
the Haunt has other guys. Like we have five or
six different people that work solely on building and so
they start right away, like right right, so that we
our Haunt is a set up and take down haunted attraction.
And we also own Factory of Terror in Fall River,
So factory of Terror is one of our bases of
where we can do some building and stuff like that.
And on the off season, so they'll work on factory
and building that up because that stays there twenty like
all year long, so they can build behold the sets
and they stay there. But Fear Town stuff is done
there and at another warehouse, So they build sets, they
build props and everything, and then they bring it over
to Fear Town in like mid June, mid July to
start assembling it, you know what I mean. So so
they do that stuff and then I pretty much start
doing the schedule, scheduling, interview process in like July, So
we start interviewing in July, start hiring people. Then we
start doing actor trainings and things of that nature to
try to get people hyped up for the season and
ready to do stuff. Some people have never done this before,
you know what I mean. So we'll kind of give
them some tools to put in their tool belt of
things that they can do and ways that they can
kind of create a character in their head. Because for
the most part, we give them the idea of what
their character is, the spot and the scares, and then
it's up to them to kind of fill in those
blanks and kind of paint paint the picture for the customer,
So they kind of tell the story of what's going
on through through that one attraction that they're in, you
know what I mean. So we'll do different trainings and
orientations and things of that nature to try to get
them ready for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, Factory of Terror operates all year No, no,
we're there all year long.
Speaker 3: You have the facility building. Okay, they're gonna be like damn.
I was like, how often do they get to change things?
Speaker 4: Can?
Speaker 5: Well, the last couple of years, they they actually had
a escape room esque type thing the off season that
they did called Midnight Games, and they did that from
I want to say March until like juneish, and so
they would utilize that space for that as well. So
just to try to maximize what they can do with
the with the location, because it's a it's a big
oh yeah, it's a huge, big location.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, having it, you know, dormant for a
few months like it Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but again it does also double
as a workshop, so they can do things to build
up for the next for the season, you know what
I mean. So it's uh, you know, it's it's a nice,
nice thing to have the two locations because you got
the one that's pretty much set and ready to go.
They'll change rooms every year. They change you know, five
to six rooms every year, so it's always evolving, you know. Yeah,
fear Town is all new every year, you know what
I mean. So they'll basically just new new themes, new everything,
you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, man, uh, and you.
Speaker 3: Just you answered the question I was gonna ask, like,
how often like a thing's changing, And it's how much
it's changing because it's because you want to keep people
coming back. Absolutely can't do the same thing because everyone'sun
be like, all right, this is kind of gona you're
gonna go around the corner.
Speaker 4: This guy's gonna jump out right right.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's something to be said for classic horror, Like, yeah,
how many times I go to Disney all the time.
I go to Haunted Mansion every single time, multiple times.
It's the exact same thing, but it's classic and.
Speaker 4: I love it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So if it's a classic thing like that, then then great,
you know what I mean. But other than that, you
want to keep people coming you know, because I mean
Disney's Disney, you know, it's a different thing. Yeah, So,
but there's other things that like you need to you
need to bring new people into even you know what
I mean. So if someone's you know, say one year,
they're like, oh, that wasn't there, It wasn't for me
this year, But then the next year they may love
it way more than they've loved it ever, you know
what I mean. So you know, it's always trying to
change it up and keep people guessing.
Speaker 3: And plus people have different psychological triggers that like of
what freaks them out or what they're in are not into,
or you know, what is an acceptable scare versus what
it's like a totally off limit scare.
Speaker 4: Yeah, things like that. Do you guys do? Like with Bill,
is it a badge of honor if you get someone
to the pants? Yeah, that's that a real thing. It
is a real thing. And I trust no.
Speaker 3: No, But when I very really if I had you know,
you're the second house person Hunter I've had on, so
I know someone's gonna ask me why I didn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely When when when we worked at Spooky World,
that's where I first start heard of the the toxic
waste badge.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It was it was literally toxic avenger like on a badge.
So like if you've got a pissa, they there's a
there's a Massachusetts acent right, but if you get a pissa,
you got a badge, you know what I mean. But
we don't we don't actually do that at our haunt.
It's not because we don't want to. It's just it's
just kind of a chaotic night, you know. Yeah, we
do obviously, like if someone says, oh I got someone
to piss, we will applaud I mean, you know what
I mean, Like it is a badge of honor, but
it's it's more of a yellow the yellow badge of Yeah, yeah,
it's more of a it's more of a uh metaphorical one,
you know what I mean. So, but we have talked
about bringing it back and I think Bill said that
Barrett's has brought it back, so you know, they actually
have a badge.
Speaker 3: So so so don't don't fill up on soda and
water before, you know, drink a big gatorade before you
go to these things.
Speaker 4: Because we will try to make you, uh evacuate that.
Speaker 3: Get that get that good, get that going now when
that does happen, is it kids or is it like
a whole array?
Speaker 4: Is it? Like you'd be surprised.
Speaker 5: Like sometimes like one time, when I was working a
Spooky World, my son, who at the time was I
want to say three four four years old, three four
years old, I would bring him with us and he
would just dress up in like a Google costume, you
know what I mean. So like at the time, I
was the greeter of a vampire house, so I would
bring people in and I was dressed like Renfield from
from Dracula, you know, and uh, nobody knew who I was,
but I was That's what I was thinking in my head,
you know. But anyway, my son would be hiding in
a corner and one time a couple of the New
England Patriots came in and they were big dudes, you know.
Speaker 4: They walk in.
Speaker 5: I'm doing my spiel telling them, you know, the rules
of the of the of the Haunt, and on cue.
My son comes out of the corner and those dudes
lost their They were like, oh, hell no, I don't
do kids. It was so funny, Like you'd be surprised
how many like kids, like because a lot of us
haunters have kids, and we'll bring the kids and put
them in in a scene and whatnot, and and you
know they have a blast.
Speaker 4: You know, obviously it's safe.
Speaker 5: We keep them safe, you know, but people get so
scared of children in a haunted house.
Speaker 3: And I don't think anyone from the child laberboard is no. No,
and listening to this episode, like you did not really
not employ They're just hanging.
Speaker 5: Out, correct, We're just let give it, let him have
some fun.
Speaker 4: But the kids get involved because kids love scaring other kids.
Speaker 5: My daughter's been doing it since she was four years
old and she's seventeen now going to be going to
college next year. You know, this was her last season
before she goes to college. It was a big like,
you know, it was a big thing because you know,
it's it's sad, you know, she's one of her and
my son or the reasons why I got back into
haunting again because they were like, we want to do
it some more. I like, and my friend Mike that
owns Fear Town, he reached out. He was like, hey,
you guys want to come work.
Speaker 4: I was like, yes, we do.
Speaker 5: Because the guy knew the kids wanted to so it
started started at us back up, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like you know, like, uh like if
she comes home for summers, that's not the time anyway,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's been talks of her trying to
make trips down for like a weekend or something like
flying up or whatever, and you know, doing one one.
Speaker 4: She's going far else.
Speaker 5: She's if she gets the school she wants, she's going
to North Carolina. So you know she wants to go
to UNC Chapel Hill. It's good school. Yeah, yeah, I
hope she gets it. You know, she's got the grades
for it, she's got the attitude, and she's got a
lot of a lot of good things going for so,
you know.
Speaker 4: Cool, good luck And then uh yeah, so did we
talk about everything that we've been talking about?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I know, like it's like funny because like
you know, it's like I've known you a long time.
But it's also interesting because like you know, I don't
think we've ever sat down and talked for like two
hours other than yeah. But but it's like there's a
lot of like you hit on a lot of things
that we talk about on the show. So I'm just like,
what else, what else would haunted? Anything else that we
haven't talked about that's interesting or important, you know. I
don't want to gloss. I want to give it.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean it's it's basically like one
thing that people don't realize is is haunters are are
a family, you know what I mean. It's just like
anything else, you know. I'm sure the the chapel world
is a bunch of friends and family, you know what
I mean. So like that type of thing or punk
punk and hardcore, you know, it's all friends and family,
you know. So like when you're at a haunt, those
people are your friends and literally some of the closest
people you have for two months at a time, you
know what I mean. So like the haunt, the haunt
family is strong. And then the haunt depression when it happened,
when when it's done is strong too, you know what
I mean. So we do try to keep people in
contact with each other. We do try to do some
off season things, like once in a while we'll go
to a haunt together, like the Christmas haunts, Like some
of the haunts do Christmas events, so we'll all sometimes
go do that, or we'll all go out to like
Dave and Busters with Bill and all the other Haunters
that are.
Speaker 4: Literally going have like a hot night. What am I doing?
You know?
Speaker 5: You need to see your haunt people, you know, because
I mean we all kind of feel like with the
Island of Misfit Toys, just a bunch of people that
are like into horror and spooky crazy shit and and
don't really fit in kind of like the hardcore scene
where how a lot of people get into punk and
hardcore where you know you're the outcast and you find
your family, you find what makes you feel good, you
know what I mean. So it's it's very similar like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, man, And that's what I like about
all these subcultures. It's just like you know what i mean,
they all kind of have there's so many similarities between
all these worlds. Yeah, like that are like anything that's
like outside the mainstream. And I'm sure the mainstream has
its all, you know, that's all whatever, you know what
I mean, But I've never existed in that, even when
I've tried to live side by side with it, it
never you know what I mean. Hence, you know, you know,
like I had a pretty lucrative career working in you know,
research and stuff, and it's like nope. Now I'm sitting
here in this motorcycle shop struggling. It's winter. I'm like,
why am I doing this? It's the stupidest business to
be in in New England?
Speaker 4: But love it, but I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm here between here and the tattoo shop and
the bar. It's like very you know, I'm setting my
anti social ways and I like, I can't find it,
so you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So this is what I'm doing to do.
Speaker 3: But that's because I feel like from a young age
that that stuff was instilled in me with growing up
in like skateboarding and punk rock and hardcore and all
that stuff. And you know punk rock progressing into hardcore
and you know metal and shit like yeah, and and
I don't regret it, man, And I feel like that
was a great way to to to to live and
to grow up, especially in those times. And I'm not
taking away from anything like now, but forty years ago,
you know, it was a different deal man, Like you know,
like it wasn't cool like now, Like like the punk
kid in school is just another kid, like and it's
like the the like the cool thing like it.
Speaker 4: Skater is like a cool thing.
Speaker 3: Like I was like, no, dude, I was getting fist fights,
like literally on a weekly basis because of this stuff.
Like someone was calling you, who's skate fag? Or you know,
blah blah blah or whatever, you know what I mean,
or punk Rocky looked weird, you know what I mean?
Like you know, and I look at pictures of myself
from a that age and I'm like, yeah, I would
have picked on me to right, you know what I mean,
Like you know what I mean, little.
Speaker 4: Ship head, you know, yeah, we're all trying to figure
it out out.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and I and the I got a funny
picture of me and Ryan rest in Peace, like from
when we were like thirteen and we were just trying
to figure it out. And you know, I have like
a hand drawn suicidal tendency shirt on. I was trying
to grow devil Art got like a jean jacket was
like we just threw bleach on it, you know, the
dumb stuff. Ryan had like a shaved head in the
front mullet like but before like a mullet was like ironic,
you know, like we were just dumb dumb asses like
trying to get through it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you know what I mean. So it was fun,
you know what I mean. But what was the path?
Like what what?
Speaker 3: Because you know, I'm always interested in hearing what people
got on that path, especially back then when it wasn't
the cool thing or the easy thing to do, like oh,
the available thing, because it's like, you know, I first
heard it. I remember hearing it on U mass dot
myth well WSMU one it was at the time, and
it was like just listening to the radio and then
like Suicidal came on in Black Flag and I was like,
what is this and like it like instantly resonated. I
was like I don't know what this is, but this
is me. This is it, Like you know this click
like like instantly, and but you know, for you, what
was like like what got you into punk and stuff?
Like because I know you were in it, your your
I know you're a lifer, but like what, like what
was the impetus behind it? Like like we're like, you know,
how did you delve into this world?
Speaker 5: It started young music in general just started young, Like
I just I just gravitated towards heavier music. Like you know,
like starting out, my favorite bands were like Motley Crue
and Twisted Sister and Quiet Riot.
Speaker 4: And def Leppet and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But then, you know, then I got into high school
and I started getting into the skateboard culture and skating
and stuff like that. So I started hanging out with
other kids that were like, Hey, check this out, check
this out. I had a cousin that was into stuff
because he had older brothers that were into things, and
so I would listen to their stuff. And you know,
all my skate friends like Martin Johnson and all those
Eric Hodges, a bunch of people from Faven area. They'd
be like, oh, check this band out, check this band out.
So like the bands that kind of started me on
the punk path were like the Misfits, uh, Sex Pistols,
stuff like that, Yeah, you know the one on one Yeah,
stuff that's still good noue. Like I didn't get into
like the Ramones until a little later, you know, stuff
like that, but like the Misfits, and and then and then,
like I said, I I've had other friends, like my
friend Ronnie DaCosta that I was in a church youth
group with. He would show me bands and stuff, and
we went to school together and he just walked through
the halls and like just push me and be singing slapshot.
Speaker 4: Lyrics, you know, and I'm like, WHOA, what is that?
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So, like it just it got to a point where
like I just be reaching out. Like luck luckily I
had friends and I had people that were interested in
that stuff that could kind of guide me on my path,
you know. Like I know, we had talked at the
convention about like you being the person for other people
people and then those people being that person for me,
you know what I mean. I did, yeah, yeah, and
I was. I was actually in the shop with Shane Mackie.
So that's why me and Shane got close. As far
as like skating and punkin hardcore and stuff like so
like Ronnie DaCosta, Shane Mackie, they would be making me mixtapes,
you know what I mean. Martin Johnson would make me stuff,
you know, like all those guys. I mean, It's funny
because like I went to elementary school with like George
Rafford and didn't even know that he was into hardcore
until later at that point, you know what I mean.
So it was like all those people, like we all
kind of grew up together, you know what I mean.
So like seeing those guys getting into this stuff and
passing it down to me, it kind of just went
hand in hand, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So then I found my path, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And I think skateboarding and especially the old skate videos
and Thrashing Magazine had so much, was such a gateway absolutely,
you know what I mean. You know, and I you know,
Pusshead doing puss On and thrash Air, like I remember
once he released like one hundred, like the one hundred
top hundred records, and it's like it was a mission
for me to get all those Yeah, you know, I
don't think I ever did, you know what I mean.
But you know I was like, oh man, you know
like all that stuff, Man, I love it. I loved
what I loved about that Back then it was like
almost like arcane secret knowledge, like you had to seek
it out. Yeah, Like it just wasn't you couldn't type,
you know. And I love the Internet and you know,
I love you know, being able to find all the
world's knowledge at your fingertips in thirty two seconds, right,
you know, what I mean. But there was also something
about being brought into it, and it was like it
was almost like, you know, like joining a secret society.
In a way, it was just like you you infiltrate,
you got in, you know what I mean, and you
you had to be there and you had to be
involved and you had to like hunt things down and
you know, and I think that made you appreciate things more.
And then something that's just out there and easy and
given to you, you know what I mean, and it
makes it more disposable, whereas you don't like bled for
this man like literally blendy. I got so many fucking
scars and whatnot from shows or from getting a fights
because of being you know, into all this stuff like
you know what I mean, Like but I love it,
you know what I mean, like and U And it
even informs me to this day as a fifty year
old dude, you know what I mean, like.
Speaker 5: Wild It's uh, it was tough for me getting into
stuff because my parents were so strict, so like I
didn't get to go to the shows that everyone else
was going to like right away. Yeah, it wasn't until
I got my license that I actually was able to
start just going. I was like, yep, I'm going to
going to Westport to hang with my friends.
Speaker 4: And I would.
Speaker 5: I went to my first show at Babyhead, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 4: And what was your first show?
Speaker 5: My first hardcore show was Third Age Raise and into
another at Babyhead. It was a matinee, you know, And
I was like, this is freaking amazing, you know what
I mean? And then uh, I then I would see
Third Age anytime I could see them, because those guys
were great, you know what I mean? And uh so
that I saw you guys at the church downtown one
time and and uh with gas Face and uh.
Speaker 4: I forgot who else played that show?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: I don't remember. Yeah, it's all a blur.
Speaker 5: It's it's funny like when I was kind of driving here,
I was like, man, I hope I remember Ship, because
like I forget Ship like crazy, you know, but I
do remember seeing it t I at the at the
church down downtown and with uh with gas Face and
a couple of bands.
Speaker 4: I want to say a mission played that. I don't
remember which iteration of it.
Speaker 5: It very well could have so, but yeah, I mean
I would just try to go to shows at from
that point on, I just try to go to shows
as much as I could, you know, especially bands that
I knew, you know what I mean, And and I
just was open to checking out all kinds of stuff.
So I'd start going to like just babyhead shows all
the time, like, you know, all the bands that were
playing then, like the The Sick of It All is Orange,
nine millimeters down set, things like that, you know what
I mean, anything I could get to there, loop os yep,
you know. So I and then I found the straight
edge culture because of Martin and Shane and all those
guy and Ronnie and all those guys. You know, they
kind of taught me that, and I really embraced that
because I felt I felt seen and connected, you know
what I mean, Because like I tried stuff when I
was younger, and it just wasn't for me, you know
what I mean. So I just I was like, oh,
so this is like a thing like people that don't
do this stuff and it's cool for them, you know
what I mean. And so it just really spoke to
what I wanted to do and kind of gave me
a little bit more of a confidence boost that I'm
not such a weird person that I didn't like doing
that stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially back then it was you know, it was
a stand. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was actively actively straight edge from like sixteen to thirty. Yeah,
and then I was after thirty. I was like, I
don't think. I just didn't want to fuck my life up,
you know what I mean? And I was like, I
can handle it. But but yeah, and I love it,
have such respect for it, even though I'm not anymore.
But like I also took a lot of the lessons
to heart, and you know, and you know, in like
of like the early days of straightge where it's just
like not letting it run your life or ruin your
life and things like that and losing control and uh,
you know what I mean. And so I still respect
it man, and have a lot of friends. And I
was gonna ask you about Straightedge because I saw that
you get the the excess.
Speaker 4: Tattooed on your hand and how long those that's fairly new, right, Yeah.
I actually got them done a like a month ago. Yeah, healing.
Speaker 5: They still are healing yet a little there and there.
Speaker 4: I might have to.
Speaker 3: Anytime it's solid black and that thick, you know, it's
going to need a touch up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, so you committed.
Speaker 5: I waited until fifty to get him. Actually, like on
me forever, it's like it's like, why didn't I do
this earlier?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool. So like for you,
what is it? What's straight edge? Like what's what I know?
Speaker 3: Obviously and for people and maybe even say I think
most people listening to the show notes straight edges, but
you know, kind of give your you're you know, tell
people what it is and like kind of what it
means to you, because I know it's also a very
personal thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's for me. It's drug free,
alcohol free, and and tobacco free. So it's it's those
three things. And and I've just there are things that
I saw destroy a lot of people's lives in my
life and and it actually affected me. And I know
in my in my genes, there is an addictive personality there,
and I see it in other ways, but I don't
want it to ever and I never wanted it to
be something that like overtook me in that way, you
know what I mean. So like it it resonated with
me big time when I saw people close to me
really have issues, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So I just I just didn't want to deal with that.
Speaker 5: So I sat hurt other people and hurt myself, you
know what I mean as far as like the effects
of what they were doing, you know what I mean.
So and it's you know, it's it's unfortunate because some
of these people ruined their lives or lost their lives
because of this, you know, like relatives of mine that
were close, you know.
Speaker 3: So sure, yeah, yeah, there's there's no shortage of that
of those those sad stories, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, and it was like growing up. That's why I
had such a healthy respect for it too. That growing up.
Speaker 3: My grandfather was like World War two VET, they saw
a lot of stuff, was shot down twice in Pow
for a while, so he you know, had some issues,
you know, and he was that's what he died from
his alcoholism and it shut down his organs and stuff
and whatnot. But so I always had a healthy fear
of that and uh, you know, respect to try and
stay away from that. And so I get what you're
saying there, But yeah, man, I think that was such
a punk rock and hardcore and then that was such
like good influences on kids growing up like in different
ways because like punk Cocker just taught you to think
for yourself and not just go with the mainstream and
not go with the not go with the uh you know,
with with what force fed to you like and you know,
think for yourself and think critically and be able to
stand up against adversity and go against you know, you
know the norms that because because it's not always right.
Just because it's the norm doesn't mean it's right. And
then you know, straight Edge was like, yo, like have
some discipline and ye you know, be able to handle
some stuff, you know what I mean. And uh, and
I was like, you know to this day, like you know, uh,
it was funny because you know I've had I had
ray On from youth to today and everything and and
you know, the whole Youth crew I like fell into that,
like that's that was the time frame. Yeah then when
we were kids, you know what I mean that that
was good cool thing that was right before that was
before me. Yeah yeah, but that was right in my ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But we were also like because I went to a
lot of Boston shows, like because back then it was
cool because for people that are from the East Coast,
Boston and Providence are like forty five minutes apart. Nowadays,
you get you pick one. You can't have a show
in Boston and Providence. But back then there was a
show on Saturday at either Babyhead or or Loopos or
the Old Living Room or something, and then there was
one the next day in Boston at the Rat or
you know, any any host of venues. But it would
be the same band, maybe different openers, but some of
the couple of the same bands on the bill, and
they'd be both shows would be packed.
Speaker 4: I'd usually try to go to both shows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but you know, like I also felt
what I'll say, it was like, you know, the Youth
crew was cool, but I also I like fell more
into like the slap Shot skin like uh, you know,
uh straight edge.
Speaker 4: It was a little militating, a little more mass holeish,
you know what I mean. You know, like I still have.
Speaker 3: The old slap Shot Witness to Hate tour shirt that
just said it was like a goalie on it and
he just said Boston with the mena met and the
meters read just just total like you know, lunkhead, you know,
like Neanderthal style, you know what I mean. And I
love that and that's why I was like, and I
loved Youth to Today and all that too. But that
and like when the first Judge seven inch came out,
I got it in the mail from Schism POSTSL sent
to that and a bunch of stuff and I put
that on man and I was just like blown away,
like you know, damn, this ship's hard, the hardest ship,
you know.
Speaker 4: It's so fucking good.
Speaker 3: And I had Mic on too, and I don't know
if I told him that story or not, but I
didn't probably didn't want to look like I was fanboying.
Speaker 4: Out, but that that shit affects you and it's still
to this day.
Speaker 3: If I hear that song, I get that goosebumps and
the little weird feeling down it goes down into your
from your throat to your stomach, like just the tents
just want to start swinging and smashing.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I love it.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of
those anthems and things like that that that kind of
kept kept you going, yep, this is this is this
was for me, you know what I mean, And things
that that made you go, like you feel feel part
of it, you know what I mean, and and with
straight Edge too, like yeah, I agree, it's a positive thing,
but it did go through phases of people of people like,
you know, the the whole thing with the earth crisis
and the gang stuff that they were saying was a
big thing on on the news and things of that nature,
and it's like it definitely took a turn where people
were like, it's a it's an actual gang and this
and that, and it's like, no, it's not, you know.
Speaker 3: The worst thing for Straight Edge with Sassy Magazine reporting
on it, yeah, and then that brought it out the
mainstream and then like you know, like uh yeah, and
then news outlets would glom onto it. And I think
that was kind of in response to all the stuff
that was going on in like in uh in uh in,
Utah in Salt Lake City because they were getting pretty militant, yeah,
embombing facilities and doing things like because then that got on.
Speaker 5: The that whole vegan stuff and I and I get it, Like,
I mean, I listened to I listened to Ray talk
and about how is his thoughts of Straight Edge people
that are not vegan and whatnot, and it's you know,
I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 4: But I don't, I don't agree with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's why I was like.
Speaker 3: The Boston was like, well, you know, Slapshot would glorify
going to to uh uh the steakhouse, you know, Hilltop
Steakhouse after a show and stuff, and you know, and
uh but you know, it's different cultures. And then you know,
I've had Kyle is a friend of mine from Earth Crisis.
He's been on the show a couple of times, and
what he was explaining was like he was just reacting
to the stuff that was going on around him because
where they lived there was that's where the animal there
was all kinds of animal testing facilities.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and so yeah, I'll send you the episode
like it because you you'll dig it because he gets
into a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4: The second one is one of my favorite bands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second one, he was talking more about his
book that he just put out, like they put out
a kid's book that there's like a whole crazy world
that they've developed, like a whole story that they developed
that's going to be a multi book deal and stuff
like that. But but like on the first one, he
talks about like you know, he's like everyone gave us
all this hardline stuff. But He's like, man, we were
just reacting to what was going on around us locally,
you know what I mean, And we were in opposition
to it, like because it wasn't good and it wasn't cool.
But I do you know, I remember those days, man
like kids did take things far. And it wasn't the bands.
It was just like people that got into it or
you know whatever, and it's just you know wild.
Speaker 5: It's like any culture though, like some people are going
to just take things and go a little too far
with it, you know what I mean, Like they're just
going to take a positive thing and make it negative
by just being an asshole.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like anything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's just to me, it was always a positive
thing and it was always something that like meant a
lot to me because it was me. It wasn't I
wasn't straight edge. Straight edge was me, you know what
I mean. It's basically how I felt about it, you
know what I mean. It's just I just happened to
find a culture that fit exactly what how I felt
about things, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And even if it even if it didn't
fit how you felt about everything, the core tenants of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how it is with a lot of stuff,
Like there's so much punking like hardcore stuff that I
listened to that I don't fully agree with, you know,
all the way. Absolutely I love the music or I
love like half of their words, half the words, you
know what I mean, or whatever.
Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, I love Shelter. I'm not.
Speaker 5: I'm not, uh, you know, Harry Christian not Harry Christna,
you know what I mean. It's like Shelter is one
of my favorites too, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's funny because Chromags are Christian, but yeah, you
would never know it.
Speaker 3: That's a whole different type of of of world view
on Harry Christian versus the like if you listen to
Age of Chorrel and and and Shelters records, very different
situation and you know, Chromags like that that record was
a defining record for me. Like I'm like, all right,
that's Chromag's Age of Quarrel Blitz voice of the Generation
and uh and uh Crosier to conform in the animosity
those street things you know and negative approach seven in
those things were like change my course of my life forever,
you know what I mean. And I still love all
those records, and those are all records you could play
the whole way through and yeah, but whatever, I get
excited when I talk about these things stuff.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's a guy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: That's all good, you know what I mean. But one
of one of my favorites all of all time. That
that gets me going all the time, as fire, a storm,
earth crisis, you know. Yeah, it's just it hits you know, yeah,
it hits me right in that spot. I remember where
I was the first time I heard it. I remember
the the path I'd be taking driving listening to it constantly.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like it just it just
brings me back, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Now, Because yeah, that that was I was already not
like I was a little when I say a little older,
I was like still young. But that was like the
generation like the next generation after me, and I was
always more. I came in when it was still more
fast and chaotic, and then some breakdowns and stuff like the.
Speaker 5: First of you and you were in the like the
youth Crew era that was like right in You're a
sweet spot right yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and so like that stuff was like I
liked it, but it didn't hit me as hard because
it was like more like you know, like chuggy and
a lot of like metal, and it took me a while,
like and I appreciate it now way more than I
did back then.
Speaker 4: But did you go to the baby Head show that
We're All the Chaos?
Speaker 3: And so?
Speaker 2: Was that? Now?
Speaker 4: Was that the Corinne show? Did the Karen play that one? Also?
Speaker 5: I think they might have because I think Karen was
on that one too, But I do remember that, and
I remember the whole situation. Yes, I remember it all cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah that that was a good That's what I was.
That's a pretty monumental show. There's there's a lot. Yeah, yeah,
there was a show.
Speaker 3: So so you know, you know, the uh Earth Crisis
was a you know, a straight edge band but also
you know, adamant vegan and pretty hardline band and very
anti very pro animal rights and anti vivisection and things
like that. And someone threw a rat on the dead
rat on the stage and it turned into a fucking
a wild melee and.
Speaker 4: It was it was it was insane. It was an
insane show.
Speaker 5: It but most of for the most part, people inside
didn't really know what was going on. Yeah yeah, like, yes,
they were thrown on stage, but not a ton of
people knew what it was. As a matter of fact,
I was in the front and didn't realize until after
the fact what was going on.
Speaker 3: You knoweah, yeah then it then it got a little
wild out back and yeah whatever. So it's just a funny,
funny situation, but you know, not funny, but funny funny
now funny with time, interesting interesting situation. Yeah, but uh
yeah I missed that room. Baby had such a good room.
The rat in Boston was such a no pun intending.
Speaker 5: The other thing I didn't like about the babyhead was
that poll right in the middle of the freaking stage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that thing sucked and Krin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jesse came on on the podcast and Jesse Jess
is a good dude, man, and he's.
Speaker 4: Slaying it with kill Switch engage.
Speaker 3: Man, Like what a so so stoked for him, man,
because that dude could have had another career in acting,
you know what I mean, Like as you did that
Farley Brothers Outside Providence movie, and he chose metal.
Speaker 4: Man, he chose his music.
Speaker 5: He's just a very talented dude with a positive attitude
that I've always been a you know, we've been been
friends for a long time. So yeah, yeah, my my
one of my first bands that played Providence area, Sleeping
Giant and Container we played with Korean back in the day,
and I remember me and him just standing side stage
at the time just watching, like the member of the
band Crisis from New York. We're watching them and just
being like, oh, you know what I mean, Like, you know,
he's just a good, down to earth dude, you know what.
Speaker 3: And he's real, He's really one, and he's still like
you know, he's still like you know, loves and respects
the music and the scene. And even though he's in
like one of the biggest metal bands in the world,
he's still like a hardcore.
Speaker 5: Kip and and he's still he's still genuine and just
down to earth.
Speaker 3: It didn't go to his head like like it would
for a lot of people. So I have a lot
of respect for that me too. Loved that kid, yeah man,
and uh yeah, we had we had.
Speaker 4: Good scenes and it was cool.
Speaker 3: It was cool having a Boston and a Providence scene
and you know there was some cross pollination, but there
was like kids in Providence, so that you know, what
was always weird is that Newport had its own scene
on top of that, and then you go to a
show with the Blue Pelicans see verbal assault or I mean,
they'd be all the fuckers that you'd never they wouldn't
even go to a Providence I'm like, dude, it's twenty
minutes away. I know they would just not leave. But
the same happens in Brockton in Boston. This kids, you
if you go to a Brockton show, This dude, you'll
see at a Broxton show that you will not see
at a Boston show. And I'm like, it's only fifteen
minutes away, Like why, Like.
Speaker 4: I was driving all over.
Speaker 5: The place to go once once I could get get
my license, I was all over the place.
Speaker 4: I didn't give a shit.
Speaker 5: I drive to Northampton, like I was at the first
Whoop tour in Northampton when.
Speaker 4: I was young. I was like, I'm going to that,
you know what I mean? It was great, you know,
I went to that. I went to the first X Games.
I was there.
Speaker 5: I was there when Tony Hawk jumped into the water.
I was I was right there when he did it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And then I was at the
first what was that a Lallapalooza.
Speaker 4: I didn't go to the first one of those, Yeah,
I remember.
Speaker 3: I think it was me and Jay and Jeremy Madaris.
I just remember like freaking out. We were all freaking
out about the traffic and all crazy, like just being
at a dead.
Speaker 5: Stop because that was that was a great woods right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just being a dead stop traffic. That was
the one where everybody on the highway just out of
their cars. Oh God, that crazy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Actually, the lallpaloser I went to at Quantsett State Airport
was the same situation. Like I went to that one
that was like the BC Boys and like, uh, smashing
pumpkins and stuff.
Speaker 4: But it was like I saw smashing pumpkins at Babyhead,
did you really? Yeah? Wow, that's that's cool.
Speaker 3: Me and me and Ryan used to just go there
like every night, like you go do stuff like, you know,
especially when I was around and we saw smashing pumpkins
there Cypress.
Speaker 4: Hill there, nice. I uh, I seen quite.
Speaker 5: I saw Marilyn Manson there, which is big, you know.
I when I worked at uh SMU doing radio for
a while, and uh, they used to give tickets away
all the time, and I'd always just put my name
on that list, you know what I mean. So like
every show I'd want to go to, I'd just be like, Oh,
it's a babyhead cool, I'm going to that, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cool man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of between there
the living room and you know, in Boston there's so
many acts that like, you know, I didn't even know
Smashing Pumkins.
Speaker 4: I wasn't and I regret. I remember to this day.
Speaker 3: I had a friend, Pat Burke, that was we both
collected records and we were super hardcore kids. Me and
him took the bus to New York when we were
sixteen or fifteen and to go see Share Terror and
the Nihilistics. Nice, but we did the whole I'm sleeping
at Pat's house, He's Yeah, we took a bus to
New York City to go see the show at CBGB's
and then like slept in the Port Authority that night
to wait until the next morning to catch the first
bus back.
Speaker 4: You know whatever.
Speaker 3: But I remember he started collecting early grunge stuff, and
he was like, you should join this thing. Sub Pop
has this there's a label called Subpop and they have
this thing called the Singles Club. He goes, even if
you know not into it, these records are going to
be worth money. So and I was like, ah, no,
I don't care, dude, I don't like it, you know
what I mean, some of them are and you know
he's got all those I haven't talked to him and yet,
but like he you know, he had all those original
sub pop singles like and the rear.
Speaker 5: Color like Bleach was on on sub Pop, right yeah,
I think so yeah yeah, And like.
Speaker 3: I said, I don't I still don't know much about
that whole genre, you know what I mean. But it's like,
you know, I just remember like we were laughing at
Smashing Pumpkin because Billy Corbyn's voice, like we weren't ready.
Speaker 5: For well I I dunk Smash from Pumpkins because they
were in skate videos like I'd see, like see I
was out.
Speaker 4: Of skating by that point. I would My skate videos
were like we're like, uh skate visions and like you
know what.
Speaker 5: I mean, and like you know, like the early like
but like Smashing Pumpkins. I'm trying to think what video
they were on, but I know, like especially the first
full length Gish, like they had a couple of songs
on one of the skate videos I used to watch
all the time, you know. You know, I don't remember
which one. It was, maybe in h Street one or something,
you know, uh public domain or something. It wasn't public domain,
I don't know, but anyway, they were on there, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if there's like an archive, it's gonna
be like online, like a place to go see all
those old skate videos.
Speaker 4: Again, Well, you can pull them up on YouTube, a
lot of them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I actually have some of the vhs still, and I
got some stuff on DVD, you know, like recently I
just got the Powell Set on on DVD.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I was showing them to my wife and I was like,
check this out. Did you go to yesteryear when the
Bonesburg game? Yeah? Well no, I didn't go to that.
Speaker 5: Now, no, I wish I had friends that were like
in the show, you know what I mean, Like, uh,
this kid Sam Tyler from my town was big skater
at the time.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And like him and another kid I went to high
school with, they were like in the standard times, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I know, I know it was a good time.
It was good. That was all that scene. Like I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was like more of like a Alva Dogtown Solac dude,
like the punk like the grimy punk rock.
Speaker 4: The earlier surf skate more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the more grimy dudes like not not with
like that wing feathered here, Yeah, the punk ny Hawk style. Yeah, yeah,
it's more the wild yeah, like like Bill Bill Danforth
style or you know, like you know, skull skates and
all that stuff. But but yeah, man Jay Adams and
all that stuff, you know, the wild skate.
Speaker 5: Like I said, though, skating swith got me into into
hardcore and punk rock.
Speaker 4: You know, like even when I would do like and Drained.
Speaker 5: When I was playing with Drained, I would just go
like we'd roll into a town, like you know, up
in uh Albany or something like that, I'd be like
we'd load in, I'd go skate, you know, you know,
Like we played a bunch of skate parks. That was
awesome because I just bang around in the park for
a little while before we set up.
Speaker 3: And you know, so what what what made you go
from like being a kid that got into hardcore to
like actually wanting to make it and go with like,
you know, make music and uh, you know, start a
band and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I started wanting to be in a band back when
I was young and saw Motley Crew for the first time.
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to be that guy.
Speaker 5: I want to be a singer, you know, so like
those people seem larger than life to me, and I
always wanted to do that. But then, uh, later on,
it was just I didn't know how to go about that.
I did start playing guitar, and so I would because
I couldn't find a band because I was I was young.
So so I ended up getting a guitar. So I
played guitar for a while. And then uh, I had
like little little bands with friends and we'd be like,
all right, you're you're gonna sing. I'm like, I'm bet
a guitar. You you play guitar. He's like, no, you
you're a better singer, so you sing. So it was
like so it got to a point where like they
had two guitar players and they were like you're gonna
be the singer.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, whatever, So I did.
Speaker 5: I sang for like a little little tribute band in
a basement that never went anywhere, and then uh then
I started no it is it is, and it got
me at least singing in front of them, you know
what I mean, So like it kind of broke the
ice of me not being afraid to sing in front
of people, you know. So then uh, I was hanging
out with my friends in Westport that had a had
like a alternative rock band for a while, and I'd
pop on stage when when their singer wasn't doing stuff
and I'd do a song with them, like Pearl Jam
cover or something, you know. And then uh, then I
did like a funk metal band, like funk rock metal band,
kind of like in the Chili Pepper Rain. And then
eventually I got to Providence. I was playing in a
metal band, like a metal industrial band called Sleeping Giant
when Mark Lopes left that band, and then uh so
I was singing with them, and then we changed our
name to uh Container and uh actually the bass player
from that band is used to play with Tommy Lee.
Speaker 4: He was playing with Leeda.
Speaker 5: Ford Uh, he toured with Disturbed, he toured with uh
static X my friend Marty and he's now in the
band Daughtry. You know that guy from American Idol. Yeah,
well anyway, he's he's pretty well known, you know what
I mean. He tours with him now, you know. So yeah,
so then, uh, then I ended up meeting Roger and uh,
he was like, I'm looking for a singer. I hooked
up with him because I honestly, I always wanted to
do hardcore once I started getting into hardcore, but I
was I didn't have any friends that wanted to play that.
So then when the opportunity came to join Drained, I
did that and I was with them for a while.
I joined them in ninety eight and then we put
out a record, like immediately we put out a full
length which is was there second full length I think?
And then uh so they had two singers on different
records before me and then and then me on the
last record that we put out. So we toured for
that record, just down up and down the East coast,
and then came back, did some more our recording, did
another tour down the East coast, up and back, and
then a few a couple of years later, like four
years later.
Speaker 4: It kind of we were just losing members left and right,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And so we're like, you know what, We're just gonna
scrap that, and we started a band call Closer than Ken,
and we did that and uh, we put out an EP,
went down the East Coast for two weeks, came back.
We we all butted heads on that tour, and I
left and they got another guy and they went on
a little bit more of a run for like one
more record, and then the singer for that band was leaving.
So Roger's like, I got a slot playing at the
WOLP tour in Brockton. You want to play with Drained?
Speaker 4: I'm like sure.
Speaker 5: So then we got Drained back together, you know what
I mean. So that's how that's been going. And that
was shoot, like I want to say, twenty years ago,
twenty two years ago when we got back together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's it's wild, like how much like
I was. I was just having this conversation with someone
not too long ago, like, oh maybe it was you.
I think it was probably yeah, Like you know, like
how like hardcore has forty something years of history now, yeah,
you know, so there's like it's in classic rock domain,
you know, like you know, in the early days of it,
you know, I mean, it's like wild like because if
you think about like right, so like I started listening
to hardcore in eighty six and it or eighty five,
I mean, and because yeah, well actually probably eighty four
is when I first started listening. The first show I
went to was eighty five, yep, and it was you know,
it's been around for a few years before that, but
all I had to do was ketch up on a
couple of years. Yeah, and I was pissed that I
missed those. Yeah, but imagine being a kid getting into
it now and you've got forty something years to catch up.
And that's why I was like, you know, it's like weird,
what because people are like, well, disconnect, Like these young
kids don't respect or go to the older stuff, and
I'm like, they can't. They can't track everything, so they're
going to be more keeping track of like stuff that
their friends are involved, right, you know what I mean,
Like and that are kids of their age, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5: And that's why when I when bands that I never
got to see come around, I try to go. Yeah, absolutely,
you know, like when Youth to Today came around recently,
like I never got to see them, you know what
I mean. I saw Shelter a bunch of times when
Shelter was going, but I never got to see Youth
to Today. I got to see better than a thousand.
I didn't get to see Youth It today. I wanted
to see Youth to Today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: So I finally got to go see him recently and
it was it was amazing, you know what I mean.
I mean, granted, it's not going to have that, you know,
that gravitas that it did then, but you know, it's
still was amazing to see it. You know, like anytime
I see an older band that I know, you know,
paved the way for other bands that I love and
that I love also, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean, I try to make an effort to go,
you know what I mean. So one of my all
time favorite shows was that Loopos. It was Crippled Youth,
which was Bold before they were Bold Youth to Today,
an agnostic front Wow eighty seven yeah or no, that
was either eighty seven or eighty eight, and literally almost
died at the show. You know what I mean because
that's when like pigpiling was for real, like so many
kids stage diving at once. It. Yeah, it was like
the first beginning of the song and like like I
was just in the wrong place, like was at the
bottom of the pig pile, and I was like, I
can't breathe.
Speaker 4: This is how I die. Cool, It's just a cool
way to die, right, Like I was like fuck it.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, I know it still gets hectic like
that with some of the shows. Like I went to
Have Heart like a year or two ago. Then when
they played at the road Run or in Boston, and
like literally the whole stage was was people and people
diving on the people.
Speaker 4: On stage, Like I'm like, holy shit, you know, it
was insanity.
Speaker 3: It was great, you know, Yeah, I love that. There's
nothing better than that, like old shows. And you know,
because it was dangerous, you had very much potential to
get hurt. But no one's doing it malicious.
Speaker 5: No, no, nobody's nobody's trying to hurt anyone, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, all this crowd killing, come on,
it's wild enough if everyone's being wild, you know, it's
like when you don't need to like intend to like like, come,
crowd kill me, motherfucker, Like, well we'll go.
Speaker 5: You know. Well, like people are on the side of
the pit, it's because they want to still be around it.
They don't necessarily need like if someone comes by, that's fine, Like,
but when you're literally swinging just to hit the people.
Speaker 4: On the outside, it's like, why why are you doing that?
Speaker 5: You know, you know, if you're going to jump up
towards them with your ass or something like, I get that,
I do that, you know what I mean. But I'm
not trying to intentionally hurt someone. I'm just trying to
like bounce off the crowd back into the pit, you know.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we could do a whole episode on pit etiquette.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, right, But if you talk to other people,
they'd be like, yeah, crowd killing, it's great, let's do it,
you know what I mean, Like it all depends on
who it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course, so obviously there's people doing it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but yeah, man, I used to love when
shows because like when I first started going, people would
go nuts and bananas like during the fast parts.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like no one does that anymore.
Everyone waits for the breakdown. Everyone's waiting the two step
and then the.
Speaker 3: Way you can't even it's not even on the first breakdown.
You have to wait down to the breakdown of the breakdown,
it goes even more halftime like and then then then
everyone comes out like and I get it, you know
what I mean. That stuff's hard to but like nothing
beats to chaos of like when it's just wild like fast,
like my first show. And I've said it on on
this show before, but it was like it was Jerry's
kids in Suicidal Tendencies, but when Suicidal only had the
first record out, Yeah, and it was fucking pandemonium. And
it was like funny because you talk about your parents
have been strict, so you missed all this stuff. I
don't know what the hell was wrong with Ryan's parents
and my father and I got to and I love
them and I respect them and thank you so much
Dad for this.
Speaker 4: Like they would bring us to show it, like they
brought us to the old.
Speaker 3: Living room, Yeah, the rash bowl. Yeah, Ryan's parents dumped
us off. We were thirteen. Yeah, it was thirteen. I
don't know if I was, no, it was I was thirteen.
It was definitely. It was the summer between eighth grade
and freshman year of high school, dropped us off to
go see suicidal and Jerry's kids. My father came late
that night to pick us up. Yeah, you like right
now that people would call child services if you saw
a couple of thirteen year olds. It was me Ryan
and this kid, Kevin DuPont, and you know what I mean.
It was like just you know, and that was always
the thing, like one of them would drop us off
and one would pick us up. Till we got licenses, yeah,
you know, you know, we're able to get the things.
I had friends that were a little older and stuff,
but when we didn't know anything, And it's like, I
can't imagine doing that now, like you just dropping your
kid off, like like not even in high school eighth grade.
Speaker 4: You know, my seventeen year old show these people just
smashing you.
Speaker 5: My seventeen year old goes to shows on her own
now and it's weird, Like I'm like, I don't know,
like I track her on her on her phone, like
all right, you're in the garage now, I'm like I
call her. You better get head home, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta be a little strict as a
as a dad, but you also gotta let them spread
their wings a little.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean there's certain things that it's it's what kind
of show is hard like Punction No no, no, no
no no. I mean she'll go to she likes going
to some heavy stuff, but it's probably go to your show, right, Yeah. Yeah,
she'll go to like my shows and stuff, but like
she actually likes some metal stuff, you know, but she's
not really into like the punkin hardcore stuff.
Speaker 4: Really. She'll go, but she's not like, you know, it's
not her thing. You know, what kind of shows the
kids going through that's that's well she goes to.
Speaker 5: Surprisingly she goes to like country shows. She goes to
like pop shows, you know, Like she'll go to like
the TD Garden or Roadrunner or something like that to
go see like you know, pop up country shows and stuff,
and it's the country stuff.
Speaker 4: Forget it. Like I just can't get into that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: My wife loves it, and I'll go to shows with her,
and and you know, because she goes to everything, I
want her to go with me too, you know. And
sometimes she loves it. Sometimes she is just going because
I want to go. So you know, she does like hardcore.
She likes punk rock stuff, but not everything, you know. Sure,
But but I but I'll go to country shows with
her because you know that's what she likes, you know,
you know, so I just try to you know.
Speaker 4: Smile and uh, you know, make believe. You know, sometimes though,
you get surprised. And I'm not saying you have it.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, sometimes, like live music is just
like even if it's something that I don't like, if
someone's like a really good musician or something you can
you always will appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I absolutely, like sometimes they'll we'll go to shows.
Like there's one one country artist that she loves, this guy,
Justin Moore, and I had never heard of him until
she introduced me to him. And I don't like the music,
but he puts on a good show, you know what
I mean. Like they're talented musicians. He's a down to
earth dude. Like she ended up winning some meet and
greet thing with him the first time we went sarm
so like I actually get to talk to the dude
and he was very chill, very very you know, very country,
but very chill, you know, what I mean, and and
I was. I was very impressed, you know, and then
seeing them live, they put on a great show. They're
very talented musicians.
Speaker 4: But it's just not for me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: It's just something I can appreciate it, the the the music,
the musicianship, but I just can't get into that style
of stuff, you know, I just don't.
Speaker 4: It don't resonate with me, you know.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot of things that I've been
at where I'm like, not my thing. But I can
appreciate the show. I can appreciate how they're playing, what
they're playing, you know, like you know, I'm not a
huge Rolling Stones fans. I like them, but I brought
my father to go see him at Gillette a few
years ago.
Speaker 5: I wish I got to see them because I don't
love them, but I like them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, holy shit, this is fucking great.
And I can't believe these dudes that old. They played
like two hours, you know what I mean, Like it's
just wild, you know what I mean. That's fine, And
literally the funny thing is one of I've been to
a lot of heavy shows from you know, from punk
to hardcore, to like extreme death metal whatever, you know
what I mean, all kinds of hip hop shows, all
kinds of everything. The hardest show I've been at where
the sound was so dialed in and so hard I'm
not kidding was the Beach Boys at the Zarian Theater.
Speaker 4: It was Brian Wilson.
Speaker 3: They were doing the pet Sounds album Nice and I
don't know, like this was like pro like when the
base was hitting, it was hitting so hot it was
like my body was vibrating from it.
Speaker 4: And I was like, were you close to the stage.
Speaker 3: It's just you know, you know cetarian, Yeah, like you know,
I was like standing up. You know, there's like the
little wall, like I wasn't even downsitting, And I was
just like, why is the hardest show I've ever been to?
Like a fucking Beach Boys show? Like good Vibrations. I
was like, this shit fucking hits like it was like
hitting like hard.
Speaker 4: It's all in how the mixes, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean, Like they had it dialed in,
like they wanted that thing to resonate through you. And
I was just like and then I heard it all
in a different way enough. If I go back and
listen to some of that stuff on that record. I'm like,
I can hear it, like how it's supposed to be
live that they can't capture on the thing, And I'm like, yeah,
that song is fucking hard.
Speaker 4: That song's fucking tough, right.
Speaker 5: That Beach Boys stuff especially that record was yeah, phenomenal,
you know what I mean. That stuff inspired the Beatles
to do different ship you know, you know, it's just
it's crazy, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't take it away. That's like they're
Paul's Boutique, right, like, you know, like came out. It's fun,
and then Paul's Boutique came out and they changed the
game like that. That record, h pet Sounds was a
game changer for sure.
Speaker 5: Check your Head For me, it was more of the
the Beastie Boys peak, you know, you I know everyone
Paul's Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: I love Paul's Boutique.
Speaker 5: It's got some bangers on it. But but Check your
Head was more of the skate soundtrackh you know what
I mean. So, so it resonated a little bit more
with me.
Speaker 3: You know, I just for me, it was like I
was at the Civic Center when they did their first tour,
so I wish I had I had a long sleeve
license to el shirt nice and it was cool.
Speaker 5: That with the Undy was that it was Murphy's Law.
Oh oh, Murphy's Law with with Beastie Boys. Yeah, really so.
Speaker 3: Beastie Boys first tour, so it used to be like
that album broke while they were on tour. So like
because they were old hardcore, you know, the yeahd Cares,
they brought Murphy's off with them and they were doing clubs.
I didn't know that by the time that tour ended
they were doing the renas because the record was blowing
up as they were on tour.
Speaker 5: Because I know they ended up touring with Run DMC.
Yeah yeah when they after they blew up, yeah yeah,
you know, and and and.
Speaker 3: That could have been the same thing. But like when
I sat I just remember seeing Murphy's on and be
like this is fucking cool. Like and I remember going
to school.
Speaker 4: The next day. Did not know Murphy's Law at the time.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know him at the time, but but
I liked punk and hardcore, right, Like, I didn't know
Murphy's all yet, and I did after that and then
but like I remember being in school the next day
and all the hip hop kids complaining about Murphy's. I
was like, nah, that was fucking rad and but uh,
but it was funny, you know what I mean. But
like now Jimmy G's like like a great friend and
it's funny to hear, like I've gotten to hear all
the tour stories about that, like and it was like
it was like that that such that's magic, you know
that time and like License still has a special place
because it was like fun and I remember but like
when all the production and the craziness of like Paul's boutique.
Speaker 4: Like no one was doing anything, oh no, him absolutely,
that was a game changer.
Speaker 3: And I know Check your Head was another one because
then they started playing their instruments again and incorporating that
in and that was a game changer in a whole
different way. And one of my all time one of
my other all time favorite shows was it was uh
Beastie Boy, Cypress Hill, House of Pain and the Hooligans
at Rocky Point.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: You know, you know, I think I think I remember
that because like I had a bunch of friends that
would go to those shows. I never got to go there,
you know, like Faith the more played there with Helmet
and like on the Angel Dust tour and Faith the
More was my favorite band of all time.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so like the fact that people saw that,
I gets so jealous.
Speaker 5: Yeah well I saw Faith the More there, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
same thing with the The Real Thing. They came around
for the Real Thing tour at the fish Bowl and
the living Room. Yeah, and I'm like, motherfuckers, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't see that, so you don't have to. I
won't be on your ship. My favorite thing about those
Rocky Point shows is they started throwing raves there and
they stop, yeah, because I think they had one or
two and they were finding kids like fucking whatever.
Speaker 4: They were on drug like floating in the water. It's
like right on the water they would die and they
just passed out.
Speaker 3: Just like fucking high, like floating around in the ocean
like like you know what I mean. It was just
just funny ship. Like that whole time frame is such
a funny time because it was like the hardest ship
going on. And then like Rave was big, like Techno
was huge, and you know, going to Babyhead it was
like it was punk rock shows, hardcore metal shows, and
then like then it would be like stupid dance party
or like.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah no nights and stuff like that was
what was cool about Babyhead was like you had all
that different stuff in one jerney.
Speaker 4: You know, it was good.
Speaker 5: Yeah I miss I missed baby I missed that whole
Providence scene though, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
I used to love the old Mat because the Met
shows so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the new Mat is good, No, it is, it's great.
Sound is good there.
Speaker 3: I started a corrosion and conformity there and I almost
went deaf from that show was so loud and dialed
in and stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've seen quite a few at the
new At the New Matt, I like it a lot,
you know, but the old Mat just has like that,
And I know that's not even the oldest Met.
Speaker 4: That Met was like all over the place, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3: Because but it was cool because it was on a
corner with all this glass, so yeah, you know, people
walking by like what the fuck is going on there?
Speaker 4: Because like kids are like piling on top of each
other and smashing.
Speaker 5: And I've seen some six shows there, man, like like
I saw neurosis there. I saw a freaking you know,
uh h two O. There a bunch of times, like
so many good shows, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what's cool, man. It was it was cool when
you had to be at the show to see the show. Yeah,
it wasn't and everyone there was participating. And you know,
there might have been a kid or too that I
remember there's a kid ed that used to film a
lot of the old Boston shows and some Providence shows
and you know, and there was like people doing that,
but it wasn't like fifty people with their phona right
when you were there. And if you wanted a band
shirt or a record, you had to be there to
get that or you have to hunt it down. And
it was just like you have to be more involved.
Speaker 4: You couldn't.
Speaker 3: You couldn't be at home involved, you know, you had to,
like and people wanted to do stuff, like not everyone
wanted to be in a band, but like people were
doing zines or like printing shirts or like doing you know,
you know, putting on shows or whatever.
Speaker 5: It was like even in that even in our immediate area,
people were doing that stuff and was great.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, like you know, yeah, New
Bedford had those New Bedford Fests and all that wild enough.
Speaker 4: So what do you got going on now for music?
Speaker 3: Man? I know, I know Drained has come out of
retirement here and there and popped in and done done
a few uh surprise appearances and uh well not surprised
you know, announced that stuff, but like you know, like
you come back from from hiatus to to uh hit
the stage again, and.
Speaker 5: We brushed the mothballs off a little bit.
Speaker 3: You know, I know, I know Roger is super busy
with uh with all sinners, and he's got a he's
living in his eighties metal.
Speaker 4: He's playing at the Whiskey and doing the whole Hollywood thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a record coming out this weekend.
Speaker 4: Actually we're doing We're doing at the Dipper.
Speaker 3: We're doing as specialty pizza this weekend with the hot
sauce on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah nice.
Speaker 3: I was working with it with one of my cooks today.
We were trying to because the hot sauce is really clumpy,
so we're gonna have to cut it with something smoother
to uh, just to make it so that we can
it's spread.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I mean what I like about about talking to you
about about pizza and and it's you're very innovative when
it comes to that ship, and I love it, you know, yeah,
but but it just shows that you actually give a ship,
you know what I mean, And that's awesome, you know,
And and it shows because your your pizza is freaking awesome.
Everyone that I ever say, go check out the Dipper pizza.
They're all was like, oh man, this is great.
Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, well, you know, Packer and I spent
the whole year and he was doing like a lot
of that way more of the heavy lifting research into it.
But like the first day, like me and him were
just we were at his house and we were like,
we'll figure this out. We're like, all right here, just
how to make the dough and we didn't understand the
but we didn't know about proofing yet. We're like, how
come we can't get this ship to stay? We're like
trying to put it in the pan because we bought
like the pans.
Speaker 4: That you so did you buy the oven first?
Speaker 5: And then then really like when I'm going to turn
this on you, all right, so where the where did
the pizza idea come from?
Speaker 3: I know you had the bar, so so we had
the bar and it was that bar has been in
my family for fifty years, right, Like my uncle bought it.
So that's what that's literally the first licensed bar in
New Bedford, is it really? So there was bars before it,
but then Prohibition. After Prohibition, that was the first bar
to become a license bar in the Bedford. That's when
it was started by this family called the Shah family
and they were a Lebanese family. They were bootleggers during
during the prohibition times, and so it ended and you know,
it was the kids and the father that were like,
what are we gonna do? And he was like, we're
gonna stay in the business. We're just gonna open up
a bar. And they opened up a bar and it
was The Dipper and then my uncle bought and then
my uncle bought it from them, and you know, seventies
or something, late seventies, early eighties, and then my father
started working there forty some years ago when he broke
his back. He used to be a teamster and a
trucker and but yeah, and he was delivering sheet rock
and his patner called out one day and my father's,
you know, being a dude, and he's carrying two pieces
of sheet rock at once and banged his back up
and so he started working at the bar and then
he bought it from my uncle and then during COVID,
his business partner kind of wanted to bow out because
COVID was screwing everything up, and so me and Packer
bought it and then we had it and there was
no kitchen. Well there was a kitchen. There had been
a kitchen prior years, but there hadn't been a kitchen
being used in years since it been renovated and everything.
And it was like one of those things where it
was like we got to do we should do something.
And I was like, nobody's doing bar pizza down here,
and it's a big thing. You know, I'm not from
I'm from here. I'm not from the South Show. Like
I learned about South Show bar pizza from Dan and
from Packer and stuff like people that were super into it.
And so we were like, we can do that, right,
and so we started researching how to make it and stuff,
and you know, one night, me and pack were sitting
at his house. We're trying to make it, like we're
like grating cheese and doing all this shit. We didn't
know what the hell we were doing it. And then
you know, he stayed on like trying to develop the
recipe more. He has a friend that's a chef that
kind of really walked through it with us and gave
us like the secret ingredient for the sauce and was like,
this is gonna set here stuff. We din'tven make our
employees signed non disclosure and everything, because it's like it's
literally different then everybody else is.
Speaker 4: And it's like this weird surprise ingredient that you.
Speaker 5: Know in off air, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna
throw something at you and Okay, I'm not going to
tell you what it is, but tell me yes or no,
but I'm gonna tell you what I can.
Speaker 3: Tell you if you're in the right direction. Okay, But anyway,
So so we got that open and you know, you know,
as an homage, it was just like something different. And
then other places started doing it right after us, and
there's because you know, we're not doing Greek pizza, We're
not doing New Bedford thin crust, like like no one's
fucking with pyrafics.
Speaker 5: Pi Raff has got it, you know, as is my
favorite of the of the New Bedford pizza places that's
not bar Pizza yeah, yeah, exactly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And so it's like and I like Riccardi's a lot, Yeah,
I like Riccardi's and that's like our style in this area.
Speaker 3: But we just wanted to bring the bar pizza because
we got a bar and it's like, I'm not gonna
do pow Raffis style. Like there's already places doing it
that is doing it good. No one was doing bar
pizza down here. So you know, people like rays and
stuff like and and that's good stuff too, but like
we're doing traditional South Shore and so and so yeah,
and that's like literally and it was we didn't want
to open up like a full kitchen and you know
all that.
Speaker 4: So we got that oven and like.
Speaker 3: We talked to the guy Bobby Owens that like makes
the pants like you got if you're doing so show Bobbies,
you have to have Bobby ow And pants, and he
was like, you could do this, get like this, this
oven would be good. And you know, you know, people
were mentoring us. You know what I mean, it's good
and uh and you know, like so we just did
it and ran with it and you know, and it's
it's worked out.
Speaker 4: You know, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: And now we try and do fun things with it,
like you know, even with drinks and stuff. I'll go
in like I was there the other day. I had
to open up because because my father stayed on you know,
like I know, he didn't want to be out of
So he comes in every morning and sets up and
gets everyone going, and it's awesome. And he's like stoked
because he's like, yeah, it gives me a reason get
out of the house. So does he get everything going
with the food or just the bar stuff, just the
bar stuff, and you know, we we have uh prep
cooks come in and people that around prep they come
in and get that set in the morning. And we
got a good team, you know what I mean. And
and we got good bartenders, we got good kitchen staff.
We got a good kitchen manager. And my father's kind
of like the bar manager. And you know, and then
me and packer do things and handle all the you know,
the logistics and the running the business and all that stuff.
But like I like going in there, like we at first,
me and him were both doing shifts like making pizzas,
bartending just to learn it because I got to be
able to do this stuff. If someone calls out, you
know what I mean, and uh, you know, and and
and you know whatever, so like and to know what
we're talking about and too, you know at first, like
you know, we had to do it. Like I've never
woned a bar, I've never owned a kitchen. I worked
when I was a kid. I worked as a dishwasher.
That's my kitchen experience. So it was all of it
was learning and then like dealing with the city and
the town, like all the permitting and the house. Yeah
it's good, that's good, uh you know, and so you know,
like I went today to renew the liquor license permit
and stuff. And you know, they used to people being dicks.
You go in there looking like how you know, we
don't look. But if you're going there like smiling and
making jokes, they get stoked, you know what I mean.
You're being cool like you know what I mean, and
still be an asshole. S don't be an asshole, and
you'll be amazing in life, Like how much things are
easier if you're just not an asshole, you know what
I mean. I can be a real asshole, like I
have no problem and I enjoy it and I relish it.
I try not to do it, but like, you know,
like yeah, but you have to provoke me to be
an asshole. So it's like, all right, I find that.
It's like I wait because from a young age my
father taught me as funny as hell. I remember this
as clear as day. And I don't have a kid,
and I wish I had a kid that passes on
to you somehow. I was get on the bus for
kindergart and he goes, look, it's gonna be all kinds
of kids. It's gonna be kids.
Speaker 4: You don't know. There's gonna be kids that are probably
messed with you. You know, it is what it is right.
Speaker 3: If they mess with you and you do not retaliate
you you I want you to stand up for yourself
because you're gonna they if someone puts hands on you,
put the hands back. Yeah, and if you don't do it,
when you come home, I'm gonna put hands on you.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Like and so you know, so I've always like laid
back in the cut and I'm like, okay, as long
as I don't do it first, like I always feel justified.
I know that's not right, and some save me to
you know, I know people gonna be like, oh, you're
a dick, and I'm like, no, not, but don't be
a dick.
Speaker 4: Like just everything's a lot easier, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: With my kids, I would I would always be like,
someone messes with you, tell the teacher, soone mess with
you again, And because the teacher didn't do anything, then
you have you have full rain to.
Speaker 4: Do whatever you need to do.
Speaker 3: Seventies were a little different. Yeah, seventies are a little different. Now,
yeah that's two thousands fair. Yeah, I'm talking about the
seventies elementary. But yeah, no, So anyway, that the long
that's like, did I answer your question?
Speaker 4: You did? You did, so I'll get I'll get back
to you your question. So we bought the bar, then
we bought the you know, we did research and yeah
we wait.
Speaker 3: We we worked on it for a whole year before
we opened up the kitchen because we wanted to come
out and do it legit. Yeah, and I'll tell you
this because it's funny because you asked about it. We
were like deathly afraid because are you aware of the
Facebook group sou show of our pizza?
Speaker 4: Yes, I am, I think a minute. Yeah, yeah, there's
like seventy thousand people on it.
Speaker 3: It's like bigger than the town of Plymouth, right, you know,
there's more people in that than there isn't the town
of Plymouth, right right right, And they're all massholes and
they are like cutthroat savages, like towny fucking savages. Like
like you go on there and people will be like,
oh the Lindwood, that stuff's garbage. It's inedible, and it's like,
come on, it's not inedible, Like yeah, you like Cape
Cod better, but like but like people that like they cutthroat,
Like I was like, we need to get this dialed
in before we get on that page.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like please, we don't want anyone to know.
Speaker 3: Like we did our opening and day one and people
were coming from all over the state because there's such
a cult status on Saushow of our pizza that people
were coming from from the South Shore, like we heard
there's a new place.
Speaker 4: We're trying it.
Speaker 3: And it was our first night and luckily, you know,
like anything, we had kink sept first, just like we
knew how to make good pizza. It was getting the
staff trained and being consistent, you know, and like learning
the business, like how much dough do we have to make.
How many pans do we need to have? Like you know,
like and yeah, like yeah, me and Packer were running
to the store three times a day to get shipped
because we didn't have accounts with like the big distributors
and we were just doing what we could. We you know,
we were running to our restaurant depot and Brockdon because
New Bedford one wasn't open yet before we had other
distributors and you know, grabbing cans of tomato stewed tomatoes
and all this stuff, you know what I mean in uh,
and it was just wild.
Speaker 4: It was just like oh Jesus Christ. And it's funny you.
Speaker 3: Look back on it now, but it was so stressful
and like but chaotic. But you know when you're first
learning something, it's kind of awesome too, like like like
you're in it, like we've gotten this going.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: But the first day people were already on it was
already on South Show about pizza.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh damn, like damn, And it was good.
Speaker 3: But then, you know, you know, we've had we had
consistency issues with especially with like one specific person who
no longer works with us, and we like the first
two days, like within the first week, our first kitchen
manager quit, you know what I mean, Like you know
what I mean, Like they they weren't ready to be
a kitchen manager, but they sold themselves and then it
was time to do kitchen manager stuff.
Speaker 4: They were like freaking out, like oh, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like and so anyway, you know, we had you know,
learning stuff, you know what I mean, And so it's
fun and we don't and now it's more dialed in
and now we can have more fun with it.
Speaker 4: So like we did, like Tim Wiseberg, we did the
Spooky South Coast people. It's doing good. We'll probably keep
it on for a while. We do the one for
Roger this weekend, and like I like doing that.
Speaker 3: And even with drinks, it was like, oh, I mixed
like this peanut butter tequila and like ninety nine minutes
like oh it's a velvet elve Elvis used to eat
peanut butter banana, which you know, I like doing ship like.
Speaker 4: That, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like it's also cool seeing like when you guys have
like you know, Jimmy g in the in the kitchen
cooking pizzas, that's cool.
Speaker 4: Ship though you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, that's like a nod to where you come from. Like,
and that's what that's awesome, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like it was so funny because when Lars
from Rancid was cooking, yeah, people were freaking out.
Speaker 4: He's still there, He's still that. I'm like, no, dude,
this was two days ago.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way I'm gonna let you
savages come down. And you didn't bother him while he's here,
like he was, it's my boy, you know what I mean. Like,
but that's cool ship Yeah, yeah, but like I was,
you got to be around because you never know who's
going to be back there. So we got other people
who are going to become We got other guest chefs
coming in soon. So but yeah, you know, and that's
the fun part to do, like you know what I mean.
And that's the you know, like you know, you know whatever,
that's We ain't making money yet, you know what I mean,
So we have fun with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Just have fun, you know.
Speaker 5: And and if it isn't fun, why are you gonna
do it?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: You know, as long as you're staying afloat though, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's paying, it's it's it's a restaurant and buyer industry.
Speaker 3: They're like most of them, but they're like, if you're
already self sustaining and growing and sustaining that growth, that's
you're ahead of the curve. Like and I'm not saying
like I'm shooting low, but it's like we we we
we put in the initial investment, and then the initial
investment opened the kitchen and I had to come out
of pocket for anything.
Speaker 4: That's great. I ain't putting anything in my pocket, but
I ain't.
Speaker 5: And you're keeping your dad's business going, which is which
is probably the most important thing for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like we got screwed for a whole
year while they were building the train stuff across the
street and like they kept shutting our block down and whatever.
Speaker 4: Is that station helping at all? Now?
Speaker 3: No? Not really, like that's going to be a long
term thing. I think like there's not an influx of
people trying to move to New Bedford from Boston or
you know, like move to New Bedford so because they
can take the train to Boston. Yeah, not yet, at
least not yet, but sooner or later maybe, Yeah, but uh,
but yeah, no, I mean in the summer, there's been
sometimes when people going to like a Red Sox game,
coming in, pregame at the bar and then walk over,
you know what I mean. But but by and large
it hasn't like done much what I mean, you know,
it is what it is. So yeah, so the so
what were we talking about?
Speaker 4: Metal? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So yeah, my band on your Deathbed, On your Deathbed? Ye,
so yeah, I we uh I started on your Deathbed
with my my buddy Creature from uh from Drained. Actually
he at the time, we weren't doing anything musically because
at that we were like like in a hiatus with Withdrained,
and he had hit me up.
Speaker 4: He's like, hey, want to do some heavy stuff. I'm like, yeah,
let's do that, you know.
Speaker 5: So we got a couple of dudes from from some
of the other local bands together and we started the
band called on Your Deathbed. So we've been we were
playing pretty frequent, you know, playing big shows like all
in the local area, you know what I mean. Like
we played Metal Fest a couple of times, and at
the Pladium, we played Rock and Shock a couple of times.
At the Pladium, we played all kinds of big shows
like in the area. Like we used to play fet
Music Hall a lot. We never really got to play Boston,
which was kind of weird, you know. We were mostly
like Providence Wooster area. So but we played some huge
shows with some huge bands, which is amazing, you know,
like that band from from Believe It or Not from
twenty thirteen to you know, last couple about a year
ago is when we kind of slowed down because our
guitar player was quitting. It played with some of the
biggest shows we've ever played, you know what I mean.
You know, I think the biggest show I ever played
was we Draine played local Bozuka, the one of the
first local bozukahs in Worcester, and that was freaking thousands
of people, you know. So that was great, you know.
And we even had like slip Knot come over and
like take notice and loving it, you know what I mean. Cool,
So it was it was pretty cool because like Clown
from Slipknot ended up talking with me and Roger and
he's like, dude, I love you guys this and that
he invited us up to freaking Maine the next night
up and hung out with them on their bus that night.
You know what I mean, it was just cool, you know,
because the guys, he's a hardcore guy, you know what
I mean. You know, it's it's cool to see bands
like that that like still have respect for hardcore, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think it's very rare for
someone that grew up in it and grew up in
it the right way, like to turn their back even
though they be doing something.
Speaker 4: Else, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I mean, even even when I'm doing the metal stuff,
Like I'm still a hardcore kid at heart, you know
what I mean. So, like it's it's I I still
want to do hardcore and I want to play hardcore,
so I will be doing something with that, but for now,
like we we lost our guitar players, so we call it.
We called it quits for on your deathbed as as
that band, but we're still going to move forward as
a new project.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's all the members guitarist.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean it's it's pretty much the same
members with A with with A. We actually brought back
our old drummer and our drummer moved to guitar, which
is pretty amazing, you know what I mean. So, and
and it sounds wicked good, like it's it's you know,
but it's it's it's metalcore, you know what I mean.
So it's uh, you know, it's gonna be on the
same kind of an idea, but just a different project.
Like we haven't come up with a name yet because
we're coming up with the songs first, then we'll figure
out what we're gonna call it, you know.
Speaker 3: So well, you know, me and Pete Benavid's and and
Craig and Mario and stuff have that side project coming
up with a name. Yeah, in twenty five that isn't
already taken by some like little freaking weird band in
Scandinavia or something like you know, like everything is taken. Yeah,
everything is taken. It took so long to come come
up with a name, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: And we've we we talked about the fact that, like
I don't want to make an acronym band, because every
band is an acronym band. And it's not that I
don't obviously, I'm I'm wearing acronyms right now.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wearing two different acronyms as we speak, you know. So,
But like I and I get that's what like people
just make it easier, so they just say it's it's
whatever it is, you know. But like I I'm trying
to get away from that, you know, just to try
to try to stand out in a way.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: So you need a one one name, a one word,
but I don't want it to be a word that's
just stupid, you know what I mean. Well, that's what
I'm saying. Every good word is taken it. You don't
have to get deep.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to get into some deep like you're
gonna have to go into like a Latin dictionary.
Speaker 5: And my guitar player, the old drummer Dean, he came,
he had one word, and I'm like, what does that
even mean?
Speaker 3: Like it sounded cool, you know what I mean, But
like I'm like, I don't know, Yeah, it's funny man,
And uh yeah, so it's it's it's more on like
the metal core path.
Speaker 5: You say, yeah, yeah, I mean it's been tough for
me to like with Haunt season just happening before and
then not long before that, I did a I was
actually an extra for a movie, so I did that
for a little bit. So that kind of you know,
took me away a little bit, So it's it's just
just been taken a little bit to get everything going. Yeah,
Like the music's there, it's just I'm I'm I'm the
guy that it's kind of holding it up, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 3: So what's your process for writing lyrics? Do you wait
till there's music and then write to that or do
you write ahead of time?
Speaker 4: Or like? What's your process?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: I actually do write to the music, Like what My
My usual thing is, I listen to stuff and I
come up with vocal patterns first. I come up with
inflections and patterns in my head and I literally will
just sing gibberish at practice, like the same things over
and over again, just to kind of get an idea
of how I want to do my vocals, and then
I will actually set the lyrics.
Speaker 4: After that, I'll write the lyrics to that.
Speaker 5: I'll come up with it with my ideas of what
I want to write it about, and just structure it
with the vocal patterns and inflections that I made, you
know what I mean. That's how I find it the easiest,
you know what I mean. I know a lot of
people do, Like they'll write lyrics and then try to
fit that to that. I just have a hard time
doing that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: With Iti, that's how I did it.
Speaker 5: You did it ahead of time or yeah kind of
or like the you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But now like with war Machine or this other uh,
this other band, I'm not mentioning it yet because I
just want to wait till we have stuff recorded come
out hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I find writing to the music is
way better. And I do kind of the same.
Speaker 3: Thing, like, and that's the thing you gotta get over.
You gotta be good friends with some of these guys
to be singing gibberish like oh god, yeah stuff. Well,
half the time they don't know what they're doing anyway, yea.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like even with any Ears because we play within
ears and stuff and like, and they could hear me
the whole time. But then I don't think they're even
paying attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well yeah, they're working on Yeah. But I
find that that makes it better. And it took me
a long time to learn that. You know, when you're
a kid and you're you know, sixteen, and you're writ
and you're just mad and you're yelling, but it's like
you got to use the vocals as another instrument. Yeah,
it's another instrument, you know what I mean. You gotta
and you gotta do it in that way, even when
it's doing like heavy yelling, streaming vocals, like you got
to treat it like an instrument.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're gonna make it stand out.
Speaker 4: But I do the same thing as you.
Speaker 3: I might have ideas for songs, yeah, things that I
want to write about, absolutely, and then I'll listen. I'll
keep listening, like we'll record something at practice or like
you know, and you know, and it's like I keep
listening to like like then I'll get like and I'll
look through like my notes on my phone and then
if I see something that there's like sometimes i'll just
see the words and it like it's like a hook
and it like fits into something, and then I can
then it's almost like sometimes I can download like it
all just comes out like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to say that I've never done
it that way because I have. Like sometimes I'll just
be thinking of things and I'll be like, oh, that's
cool thing for for a lyric or something. I'll just
I'll put it in my notes in my phone too,
and I'll just but then other times I just forget
it and I'm like, what the hell was.
Speaker 4: That thing I was thinking about, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Like, so like I always find it a lot easier
when I'll literally have like my guitar player James ridiculously
good like with with writing. Yeah, he'll he writes and
he comes with like full songs like on a on
a freaking sends us MP three's of like full songs
and we're like, holy shit, like it's insane. But anyway,
and then obviously we take we can take liberties and whatnot,
and the drummer can do different things if he wants to,
and guitar player can do his own.
Speaker 4: Thing, but it's basic ideas.
Speaker 5: So like it's cool because I can take those and
just listen to them when I'm driving around working and stuff,
you know, because my day job, I'm driving around all
the time all over New England. So like I can
just put that on and just listen to it and
listen to it until it starts connecting. The only problem
is sometimes you'll get something in your head of what
you're thinking you want to do, and then you try
it and you don't like it. It's hard to like
change thing. So it's hard to go all right, well
that sucks, how can I make that better? And then
you keep going back to that part that you think sucks.
But then sometimes the guys will be.
Speaker 4: Like, dude, I love that part you're doing there and
this and that.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I hate it, you know, I like, but
you know, it all depends, you know, absolutely, And I'm
also very open with with telling people, you know, like
we're a very collective when it comes to writing and stuff,
Like obviously James comes up with the ideas and most
of the time it's it's pretty much what it is.
Speaker 4: But then when it.
Speaker 5: Comes to like writing together, like I like to be
there and actually like give my two cents on stuff, because, yeah,
I mean off enough that I've been playing music for
a long time, so I kind of have an okay
years to know what I think might work somewhere. So
I'll be like, hey try this, Yeah, try that. You know,
I actually had when On your Deathbed first started, we
had another drummer, and like he hated the fact that
I'd be like, hey try this, so try that.
Speaker 4: He quit.
Speaker 5: He quit the fucking band because he didn't like that.
I actually had some input.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: I wasn't telling him you have to play this. I
was like, hey, try this, try that.
Speaker 4: He didn't like that.
Speaker 3: And also sometimes you get understand like certain things are
going to work with like what you hearing in your
head for the words, you know what it's like, Hey,
you know, maybe try you know that, you know. But yeah,
I find that if I listen to it like you like,
I'll listen to it a bunch, and then I can
write way easier when it's stuck in my head. Yeah,
at the point where it's stuck in my head, then
I can stop, Like I don't know, subconsciously, you have
a wake up and you have a bunch of god yeah,
and you're gonna write them down like like like you know,
like get your phone and you're like squinting and it's
three in the morning.
Speaker 4: Especially when I download, and especially.
Speaker 5: When I have an idea in my head and you
any like you know, sometimes I'll just write about like, uh, zombie,
like a zombie thing, and I'll be like, it's almost
like a movie.
Speaker 4: Playing in my head.
Speaker 5: I know every single part, you know what I mean,
Like you know where it's going. Yeah, So it's sometimes
it's great how that works.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, yeah, it's it's weird because like
everyone's like, oh, vocalist is the easiest. You don't get
to carry nothing. You're gonna do nothing. It's like, yeah,
but we can't practice like we're gonna do drive around
and yell, you know what I mean, yellow.
Speaker 4: That is what I do. I know, I know, I know,
I know.
Speaker 3: I've done it too, Like especially before a show with
something like you're gonna get your throat warmed up, especially
you know, we're not crooning, you know what I mean,
you gotta get that thing broken in.
Speaker 5: But it's tough, you know what I mean. It's like,
but yeah, I know you're right. It's like the guitar
players can sit there and just noodle all freaking night.
Speaker 4: If they want, if you get the calluses built up.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but yeah, singers, we we kind of just
gotta you know, like you said, drive around in our car.
It's not like we're just gonna be belding. Hey, uh,
you know, tell my wife. Yeah, I'll talk to you later.
I'm just gonna yell in the other room for a
little Yeah, let me go.
Speaker 3: My sound proof, padded room and scream like a lunatic
for forty five minutes.
Speaker 5: One time when I when I was trying out for
a band, like it was in in in the interim
of between bands, like Shai Halud was looking for a singer,
and I was talking to Matt and he sent me files.
He's like, hey, check to check put these files. And
at the time, I'm like, what the fuck am I
supposed to do with these?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: So I had a garage band and on my my
my freaking mac in my my house. We didn't even
have a computer stand. It was just like on our
kitchen table, you know what I mean. Yeah, So I
took a rock band microphone, I plugged it into that
and then I just literally just recorded to that and
then sent it to him and he was like, oh,
well it sounds pretty good, but could you do any better?
So I ended up having to go to studio. But
it's just like, but I did that like in my living.
Speaker 4: Room, you know what I mean. That was like, yeah,
I was using a little play mic in the living
room in my house. Yeah yeah, but it's like it's
it's not realistic. This is basically what it is, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, cool, So what's going so with that band.
You guys are just getting it back together.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we uh we since Hot Seasons done, I'm able
to stop practicing more.
Speaker 3: I mean we're only it was like November thirteenth. Yeah,
you just wrapped it up like just weeks ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we uh so we practiced on Tuesday last
week and we're gonna be practicing again this coming uh Tuesday,
this coming week.
Speaker 4: So it's it's going well.
Speaker 5: I mean we got, like I said, we got about
five or six songs, like music is done, so I
just got to put.
Speaker 4: My my vocals to it.
Speaker 5: We actually got to got a show offer in December,
but unfortunately we're not gonna be ready for that, you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's it's like it's crazy, like when
I want stuff to happen, like I'm not getting offers
like I want, And then when I got nothing going on,
I get off like I gotta. I got an offer
from a friend of mine to do like a photo shoot,
and I'm not I'm not available, and and and then
like a friend of mine is like, hey, you want
to play the show in December.
Speaker 4: I'm like I would love to, but we're we're not ready.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's it's you know, but hopefully that that'll get
people really kind of wanting it more because we can't.
Speaker 4: Do it right yet, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well because because I would be like, yo,
give everyone a link or something way to promote him,
like you don't got a name.
Speaker 4: We'll keep it. We'll keep it.
Speaker 3: We'll keep everyone updated. And when you do have something,
let me know too. Even if you want to leak it,
we can maybe test it. Let the Patreons. We put
it out to the general, but we can let the
Patreon subscribers get a sneak peek.
Speaker 5: I mean, if people want to follow me on social media,
just follow me. I'll be posting about what's going on,
you know. So if people want to do that, you
get to tell them.
Speaker 4: You can go to Instagram.
Speaker 5: I'm ex Bob thirteen x on Instagram, just Bob Mendel
on Facebook.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I think that's pretty much it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll make sure that's in the show notes so
that people if someone's driving, they don't get to pull
over and try and write it down there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can follow drained on on Instagram as well.
What's the what's the drain the drained.
Speaker 5: Is I believe it's drained Massachusetts hardcore and a hardcore
I think something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll put it on there.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I follow it any Yeah, and I'm sure
Roger's listening right now anyway. And yeah, he'll he'll be
texting me and you're like, Bob, you didn't talk about
it enough. Yeah, or it'll be like Bob, you talked
about it too much.
Speaker 4: We're not playing anytime soon? Yeah, is it?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: Is it what I was going to say? I know
you guys have popped up here and there is anything
on the table for dreams. No, not at the moment.
I mean we we pretty much.
Speaker 5: We played my my fiftieth birthday party in July, and uh,
because I wanted to play that. We've ended up playing
at play Arcade and it was a fun, fun show.
Shout out to Adam and Adam is awesome. I went
to middle school with Adam. We've been friends for a
long long time, so I'm really stoked on his his
stuff and uh, you know his his hot dog shop
is awesome, bomb dog. I haven't been there yet.
Speaker 4: That's great. I want to. I'm just not a big
hot dog guy. Yeah, yeah, I am a big hot
dog guy, you know, like I know Rogers. Is that
a dream thing? Is well er Roger?
Speaker 5: Roger wanted to have a did he tell you about
his hot dog stand?
Speaker 4: Dream? And all that all the time.
Speaker 3: So we have like group we have group text, and
all it is is sending hot dog things to each other,
like to like antagonize each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And every day he's sending me, like every week, like
a hot dog card or something for sale because he
wants to do it. And I sent him the things
like the oscar by the truck is looking for drivers.
I'm like, bro, retirement man. No, No, John Sanouski sent
that at yeah, and I was like, that's retirement for Rogers. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now is the pizza that you have for him? Is
it got hot dogs on it?
Speaker 3: So we made a purchase Street Records pizza last year yeah,
or earlier this year. It came out on Record Store
Day yep, and it was it was hot dogs onions
and uh and uh spicy brown mustard.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, drizzle. Yeah, So it's got to have hot dogs.
If it's Rogers, he likes his gag is.
Speaker 3: The All Centers one. It's not, it's it's a chicken,
onions and garlic with a with their hot sauce. Oh yeah, yeah,
but we're gonna have to cut the hot sauce with
something to make it flow better because it just comes
out to char It's just a mess.
Speaker 4: Yeah work like we were trying it today.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna probably cut it with with a ranch
or something because then it'll smooth it out and make
it Yeah.
Speaker 5: Other thing people should watch out for is, like I
said earlier, I was an extra on a m Night
Shyamalan movie. Oh yeah, what's what it's called? Remain It's
Jake Gillenhall.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 5: It was filmed in uh in Bristol, Rhode Island, and Uh,
I got to you know, do do a little extra
bit on that. So that was kind of cool.
Speaker 4: How did you hook up with that?
Speaker 5: A friend of mine works for the the UH the
Extras and and What Night. He's a p A on
this on the set.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: He does a lot of stuff like he's actually right
now working on the Walking Dead, Dead City.
Speaker 4: Nice series that they're doing. UH film in Brockton.
Speaker 5: Actually yeah, yeah, I went sarmon UH on the set
a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Dude as a Haunter. You should get all in and
be you know, it's funny, is I.
Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was going on until it was
already going on, so I I I applied to do
to be an extra in that too. So I did
extra work for that Jungle Land movie with Charlie Hunt
and New Bedford a few years ago, like right before COVID.
And it came out literally in the theaters during COVID.
Speaker 4: So no one went. You know, it didn't even get
a blue l a blu ray release.
Speaker 5: They just got a DVD. So I'm like, oh man,
I got screwed out of that. But hey, I'm in
a scene with Charlie Hunt them you know.
Speaker 4: There you go, there you go you know yeah man.
And and that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's the thing, like another thing with
like hardcore kids, Like there's always a everyone hustles, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Well, I just try to get myself doing stuff.
Speaker 4: I get.
Speaker 5: I get bored easy. So I'm like, I gotta do ship,
you know what i mean. You know, So I did
some local movies too for some uh some friends of
mine and stuff, so which is great. You know, there's
a movie called Sins of the Devil coming out sometime
this year. Actually, they're in they're in post production, so
I'm in. I'm actually in that as one of the characters.
Speaker 4: So it's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, So so you got some acting, you got some
some some hardcore, some some metal or metal core, you
got some honts, you got.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's like it's like we were talking about earlier,
like I do too much. I should focus on one thing,
but that's how I am.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm all over the place too, I understand. I
think that's ADHD or something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well thanks man, we're gonna we're a couple hours
in here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we could probably talk for another company.
Speaker 4: Yes, well, we'll save that for the next one.
Speaker 3: When you get the record ready, you know what I mean,
we'll do it again. Nice but yeah, man, straight edge.
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