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Yes, once 88 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,399 again we have lift off. 89 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,439 Speaker 3: I want to thank you for tuning into this episode 90 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:56,000 of the Big Truth Podcast. And uh, I got a 91 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:59,120 besides M four's, I haven't done it in house one 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,279 in a while. I think Lashley was the last one 93 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,360 where we did an in house podcast. But I got 94 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,120 my man Bob here Bendell, who you might know from 95 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:11,160 local hardcore band like Glory Drained. He's got a metal 96 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,759 band on your deathbed. You had a whole litany of 97 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:17,199 other bands like Terrorizing and different bands that I you know, 98 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,160 you'd have to run through the whole roll of decks 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,680 of that because as we all you know have you 100 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,680 know that have been involved in music for a long time, 101 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:28,439 have a whole litany of bands on our resumes. But yeah, 102 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,240 you're an interest in dude that I wanted to have 103 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,120 on because you know, you do that stuff. You do 104 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:35,040 haunts and you know, I had a Bill on who's 105 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,959 also a guy that does haunted house stuff. And you 106 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,680 were a paranormal researcher for a while you were you 107 00:05:40,959 --> 00:05:43,319 were doing it right from like a while, like you 108 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,199 were doing it like like before it was like a 109 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:45,720 big thing. 110 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, i'd say kind of. Yeah. I actually started 111 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:55,040 doing it back in the Drain days, like without knowing 112 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:58,639 what I was doing. Really, I found some books in 113 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:04,560 the area once specifically it was called New England Ghost Files, 114 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:11,000 and it almost gave exact addresses of areas in like Rehobeth. 115 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,639 Speaker 4: Taunt In area and stuff. 116 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 5: So me and some of the dudes from Drained and 117 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,720 some of the dudes from like East Side, you remember 118 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:19,519 those guys. Ye, Yeah, we'd just jump in a van 119 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,279 and just drive around the area and and we'd go 120 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,040 to local spots and just leave me in this graveyard 121 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,360 for a while, come back in like twenty minutes or whatever, 122 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:31,600 you know what I mean, just trying to see stuff. 123 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,439 So like it all started with doing things like that 124 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,360 and just trying to basically scare each other into into 125 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:40,879 like you know, conceding that yep, ghosts surreal, you know 126 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,639 what I mean. It's one of those passions of wanting 127 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:48,439 to see something and never really getting that full payoff, 128 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:49,000 you know what I mean. 129 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 3: So you started off just like going off and hanging 130 00:06:53,079 --> 00:06:55,839 out to these spots. But didn't you got into it 131 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,600 like more though, didn't you guys get like because you 132 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,519 had like a whole paranormal like right, like an investigation group. 133 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember New England it was. 134 00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 5: It was a Pilgrim paranormal Research and uh, it was 135 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,759 myself and a few guys from at the time I 136 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:15,399 worked for Comcast Cable and we just would like it 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,959 was literally right when like ghost Hunters started, and when 138 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:21,439 ghost Hunters started and Taps was the was the thing, 139 00:07:21,439 --> 00:07:23,360 and it was still like not a ton of people 140 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:26,000 watched it right away, so it didn't like pick up. 141 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,399 But like I was watching it, I was like, Hey, 142 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,360 these dudes, like they're not just putting on anything to 143 00:07:32,399 --> 00:07:35,240 be like, oh, that's that's a ghost, that's this. Like 144 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:38,439 I liked the fact that they were real people that 145 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:43,240 were trying to actually not disprove things, but like have 146 00:07:43,319 --> 00:07:45,879 an actual reason for why things could be going on 147 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,680 instead of it's a ghost and and all that, you 148 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,199 know what I mean. So I was talking to some 149 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,199 of the guys at my work at the time and 150 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,040 they were like, yeah, I like that show too, So 151 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:57,680 we all would talk about it and then we were 152 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,519 just like, I know, somebody that's got house that they 153 00:08:00,519 --> 00:08:02,680 say is haunted, which happened to be my brother. 154 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 155 00:08:03,519 --> 00:08:06,439 Speaker 5: And we were like, let's get some equipment and stuff, 156 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,839 so we'd see the things that they were using, like 157 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:13,959 EMF meters, uh, you know, voice recorders, just regular still 158 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,519 photos and things like that. So we would just get 159 00:08:16,519 --> 00:08:18,279 a bunch of stuff and all of us would just 160 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:21,680 order stuff online and just start doing our own ghost hunts, 161 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:21,920 you know. 162 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, you're just like you see what they you 163 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,920 were all. It was kind of like seeing what they 164 00:08:26,959 --> 00:08:29,199 were using on the show would inform the stuff you 165 00:08:29,279 --> 00:08:32,440 looked into. How how else did you get Like did 166 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,559 you research like how to do this stuff? Or did 167 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,559 you just kind of wing it? 168 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 4: Because I mean, I know, hardcore you're from a hardcore background. 169 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: We have a super strong DIY ethic, which is like, 170 00:08:41,639 --> 00:08:43,000 all right, fucking let's do it. 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,879 Speaker 5: Well, that's that's pretty much what we did, you know 172 00:08:44,919 --> 00:08:47,159 what I mean. So we would watch the show and 173 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,399 and and get ideas from that, and then we actually 174 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,440 did some research because you know, the internet was was 175 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:54,720 a thing still then and this was this was back 176 00:08:54,759 --> 00:08:58,960 in two thousand and seven. I think was when we 177 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,200 when we started around that timeframe, and so we just 178 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:05,840 go on the internet and look in the area if 179 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,120 there were like other paranormal groups, and sure enough, there 180 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,159 was one on the Cape called CAPERS and this guy 181 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:15,480 Derek Bartlett, and we found out that like on Friday 182 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,120 nights he would do these paranormal seminars at Cape Cog 183 00:09:19,159 --> 00:09:22,039 Community College. So we just go there and like people 184 00:09:22,159 --> 00:09:24,480 like Steve Balanger and a bunch of other people would 185 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,840 do like, uh seminars on different things, like like that 186 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:32,200 Steve Blander guy, he wrote a book called Weird Massachusetts. 187 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,279 It's a whole bunch of like, uh, you know, ghost 188 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,960 stories and weird things that's happening in Massachusetts obviously hence 189 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,519 the hence the title. But uh, you know, so we'd 190 00:09:42,639 --> 00:09:44,519 end up talking to them, and we talked to the 191 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,799 leader of CAPERS, which is Cape and Island's Research Society, 192 00:09:50,159 --> 00:09:53,720 you know that acronym, and uh, we talked to him 193 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,360 and we were like, you know, we're really into the 194 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:59,720 into like TAPS and the paranormal thing that they're doing 195 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,120 and and we kind of want to do our own thing. 196 00:10:02,159 --> 00:10:05,639 And he was like, well, there's actually a society of 197 00:10:05,879 --> 00:10:12,039 ghost hunting groups called American Ghost Society. It was this guy, 198 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:14,879 Troy Taylor that kind of like put out this book 199 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:18,000 of like ghost Hunting one oh one almost, you know 200 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:21,000 what I mean. So, like we found out you could 201 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,840 actually become an affiliate of that society, so we signed 202 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:27,279 up for that, We got the books, and we're part 203 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,639 of that. So we're like right right out the gate. 204 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,320 We were already trying to like get involved with everything, 205 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,720 you know what I mean. So because of talking to 206 00:10:35,799 --> 00:10:38,279 them and just getting our name out there, we started 207 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:41,480 a website and then we just started reaching out to 208 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,279 places that we had heard, you know, had some phenomena 209 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,759 go on. So we like the Millicine Library and beh Haven. 210 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:54,639 We did a investigation there. We did the USS Salem 211 00:10:54,919 --> 00:11:00,559 in Quincy, which is a pretty cool like supposedly ghost ship, 212 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,559 you know, just a bunch of different things. 213 00:11:04,279 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: That's what Being Packer had. The events. We used to 214 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:09,960 do a chopper and hot rod show there nice on 215 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,679 the boat. Yeah, the pre party would be on the boat. 216 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 3: Well, the show used to be at the boat when 217 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,600 it was at the old Doc and they moved to 218 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,399 a different dock that was a lot smaller and right 219 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,480 next to Boston Robotics or whatever that place is. They 220 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,960 don't like anyone being around there, So we could do 221 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:24,759 the pre party there, but not the whole big show. 222 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 4: It wasn't big enough anymore. It was a cool boat. 223 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:30,399 Speaker 3: Oh cool, super cool, and it was like good, Like 224 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,679 it was crazy how the people that ran it would 225 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,360 give us such unprecedented access absolutely because you're not going 226 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:40,679 to break anything. It's a fucking battleship or a warship 227 00:11:40,759 --> 00:11:41,039 and whatever. 228 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,799 Speaker 4: We literally had the run of it. Yeah, they were 229 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:45,039 just like you'd go anywhere. It was cool. It was 230 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:45,559 cool man. 231 00:11:46,919 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, so so yeah, I didn't realize there was 232 00:11:49,639 --> 00:11:51,360 I knew there was different groups and everything, but it's 233 00:11:51,399 --> 00:11:53,600 cool that it seemed like there was like a good 234 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,440 structure and like like a lot of potential for networking 235 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:58,000 in that world. 236 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 5: Like it was definitely a good support system, you know 237 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,080 what I mean, Like there wasn't a lot we didn't 238 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,919 run into a lot of like gatekeeping when it came 239 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,159 to the paranormal community, because in a way, it was 240 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:09,759 kind of weird. I don't want to say in the 241 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,240 ground up, but it kind of was almost the ground up, 242 00:12:12,279 --> 00:12:14,039 you know what I mean, Like the early day was 243 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,519 it yea or in this renaissance of it, right, yeah, right, right. 244 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:20,840 I mean there's there's tons of groups now even to 245 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:22,679 this day. I mean I even got reached out to 246 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:25,840 not that long ago for a sale in Paranormal convention. 247 00:12:25,919 --> 00:12:27,240 They're like, hey, you guys want to come out, like 248 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:28,879 we're not a thing anymore, but thank you. You know, 249 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,440 I'm glad you heard of us. You know, so it 250 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:32,480 was still pretty cool. 251 00:12:32,519 --> 00:12:33,639 Speaker 4: You know, it's cool. Man. 252 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: It always seems like no matter what the scene is, right, 253 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,320 whether it was like paranormal research, are like the early 254 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:43,039 days of the resurgence of choppers in the early two thousands, 255 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,720 or you know, like punk and hardw you get in 256 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:47,720 the ground level, it seems like that's when it's the 257 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:52,720 most And I'm not saying it's it's I don't want 258 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,639 to say it's the most authentic, but it's like there's something, 259 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,720 there's more camaraderie. And then as things grow and get bigger, 260 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:04,200 people that aren't in it for the same reasons yep, 261 00:13:04,519 --> 00:13:06,759 kind of just climb into it for whatever they start 262 00:13:06,799 --> 00:13:09,000 it on TV or yeah blah blah blah, and then 263 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,159 it gets weird, man, Like people get like that's when 264 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,720 all like the bullshit comes in, you know what I mean, 265 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:16,639 too many people involved in stuff like fox it up 266 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,399 sometimes you know, yeah, it brings cool people in, but 267 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,440 it also brings whatever, and you know what I mean, 268 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:25,399 it just brings too many complications sometimes, you know what 269 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,320 I mean. And that's when like the elitism and the 270 00:13:28,399 --> 00:13:30,960 cattiness and the gate keeping. My stop, where is that? 271 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,440 At first, everyone's like, yo, let's do this. 272 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,919 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean later on, like not that 273 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,159 far later on, because we were only a thing for 274 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,399 I don't know, i'd say probably three or four years 275 00:13:42,759 --> 00:13:45,720 and then but a like kind of at that point 276 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,240 was when I started noticing like other groups and other 277 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,759 shows and stuff that I was like, man, the way 278 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:53,679 those people are doing things just I just don't get it. 279 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,519 You know, like dudes doing doing investigations, walking around carrying 280 00:13:58,519 --> 00:13:59,200 a beer and stuff. 281 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:00,519 Speaker 4: It's like, how profecd are you? 282 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:01,039 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 283 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: Like, that's that's not how you do it? You know. 284 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,879 Speaker 3: When I the one I thought was funny, I don't 285 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,440 remember what it is because there's so much of that. Yeah, 286 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,039 there was like the guy I think he was like 287 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,799 a retired New York City cop and he would just 288 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,559 like go and like try and challenge the ghost to 289 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:14,120 like fight him. 290 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 4: Did you know what I'm talking about? He was such 291 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:16,840 a meat boll. 292 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,759 Speaker 3: He was like just like coming at him hard, like 293 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,080 show yourself like you was just like challenging. I was like, like, 294 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:25,279 what are you trying to fight these like spirits? Dude? 295 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,519 Speaker 4: Like what do you think is gonna happen? 296 00:14:26,559 --> 00:14:26,679 Speaker 3: You know? 297 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:27,399 Speaker 4: Like nothing? 298 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,919 Speaker 3: But so you know, while while we're on this, you know, 299 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,679 I figured we were gonna get on punk stuff first, 300 00:14:32,679 --> 00:14:34,960 but like, let's roll with this now, let's come while 301 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,759 you were doing like you see, you guys had like 302 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:39,120 a you know, a few years into it. I just 303 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,960 remember seeing you posting all the time on Facebook back 304 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,679 in the day about it, and that's stuck out of 305 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:49,120 my head all that time that you, you know, that 306 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,120 you were doing actively researching. What was did you see 307 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,200 anything or what were some of the more standout events 308 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:56,399 to you? 309 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 5: Like, you know, I wish I could tell you I 310 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:05,039 had that aha moment of that full apparition, but I 311 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:08,600 did not. A couple of times we pretty much just 312 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,320 had things we couldn't explain away, you know what I mean. Uh, 313 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,759 EVPs were very prevalent, like knocks where there should not 314 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:19,639 have been a knock in the house. Things like that, 315 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,279 voices where you should not have heard anyone, like we're 316 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,559 in the middle of the night, in the middle of 317 00:15:25,039 --> 00:15:26,600 the town where no one's. 318 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,039 Speaker 4: At you know what I mean. 319 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,759 Speaker 5: And we what we would always do was we would 320 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:35,080 what we did our voice recorders. We would always sound 321 00:15:35,159 --> 00:15:38,240 off where we were so we knew where each person was. 322 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 4: So when we. 323 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,159 Speaker 5: Listened back to all our all of our audio, we 324 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,399 would be like, all right, so that time so and 325 00:15:44,559 --> 00:15:47,039 so was here, there's no way we would have heard 326 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,879 them in this spot, you know what I mean. So 327 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,639 we would we would cross reference all of our stuff 328 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,879 so we could explain away any things that we thought 329 00:15:54,919 --> 00:15:56,039 were something, you. 330 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 331 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,039 Speaker 5: So there were a couple of times that we had 332 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,679 some some audio stuff that we couldn't explain away. When 333 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,519 I was at the gristmill in Plymouth, Massachusetts, I saw 334 00:16:06,679 --> 00:16:10,559 something when I moved a certain way in the gristmill, 335 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,360 and I don't know what it was. None of our 336 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,639 team was anywhere near there, so I I couldn't explain 337 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,720 that away. Just things like that, like, uh, we one 338 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:24,000 time we were in the Plymouth Cemetery doing an investigation 339 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,960 late at night and something flew overhead like huge, Like 340 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:31,240 I don't know what it was, but it was big 341 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,480 and it wasn't a bird, you know what I mean. 342 00:16:34,799 --> 00:16:38,399 I don't triangle, I don't know because it was in Plymouth, 343 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,240 so you know, Yeah, so. 344 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: It's big, it can it can it? Can? It can 345 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:43,759 cover from ground? 346 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's Plymouth, the oldest cemetery in 347 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,159 the in the country, you know what I mean. So, 348 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,600 like we were definitely hoping something was going to go on, 349 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:55,480 and something did, but it was Again, we can't explain 350 00:16:55,559 --> 00:16:58,120 what it was. We didn't get anything on footage or 351 00:16:58,159 --> 00:16:58,720 anything like that. 352 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,679 Speaker 4: So what did it look like? A shadow or something? Yeah, 353 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:01,919 it was. 354 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 5: It was a shadow and it was definitely winged, you 355 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,319 know what I mean. So like we three of us 356 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,960 saw it. It went over our heads, over the trees, 357 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:16,319 and it definitely was I'd say at least six foot wingspan, 358 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,839 you know what I mean, That's what we all saw, 359 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:19,119 you know. 360 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: What I mean. 361 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 4: So so you know when you mentioned VP, did you 362 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:26,920 get any crazy EVPs? 363 00:17:27,559 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean definitely some voices that we couldn't couldn't 364 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,880 really make out. Like, anytime someone listens to an EVP, 365 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:36,400 they can try to you can say it, oh, it 366 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,240 says this, it says that, I'm. 367 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: Not gonna lie. 368 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:40,759 Speaker 3: That's like one of the most annoying things because nine 369 00:17:40,799 --> 00:17:42,480 times out of ten, when people are listening to an 370 00:17:42,519 --> 00:17:44,720 EVP on like these shows or whatever, and they're like, oh, 371 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:47,079 it said this, and I'm like, did it because it don't. 372 00:17:46,839 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 4: Sound like that to me. Man, you know you know 373 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,480 what I mean, I completely agree. 374 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 3: I know I'm kind of toned deaf from forty years 375 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,920 of hardcore shows and whatnot, But I'm like, you share about. 376 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 4: That like that, dude. You know what I mean? 377 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:58,559 Speaker 5: How many times can you hear get out? 378 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 4: You know, you get out? It's like always said get out. 379 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,599 It said no, it didn't, you know, that's what you 380 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,559 want to hear. Yeah. 381 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:06,799 Speaker 5: Yeah, So that's why I say, like, I don't know 382 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,440 exactly what they were saying, but like it caught something. 383 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:13,039 We caught something was definitely a what sounded like a 384 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,200 human voice, and of course, you know, one team member 385 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,519 will be like, oh it said this, and I'll be like, yeah, 386 00:18:19,519 --> 00:18:21,359 I didn't hear that. I think it might have said this. 387 00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,119 You know what I mean, so that's why I'm like, oh, yeah, 388 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:27,480 the Knox at my brother's house in New Bedford was 389 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,160 was pretty prevalent in it. 390 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 4: We didn't know what it could be. 391 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 5: Actually. Also at his house, we had a camera full on. 392 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 4: Move ninety degrees and we know it moved. 393 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,079 Speaker 5: No one was nearby to like hit a chord or 394 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:46,480 anything to make it move, but we saw the you 395 00:18:46,599 --> 00:18:51,240 see the ir actually move from another camera from another angle. 396 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,079 So it's it's pretty cool, you know what I mean. Yeah, 397 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,839 I mean we did some some cool investigations. Some stuff 398 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,279 was just like a whole night of of doing nothing 399 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,680 and finding nothing, but that's part of the part of 400 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:04,599 the gig, you know what I mean. 401 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: So so after all this, do you you know, where 402 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,480 are you at in your belief with this stuff? Like 403 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:12,160 you do you think there's something out there? Or do 404 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,920 you still are you still like healthily skeptic? 405 00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:18,079 Speaker 4: You know I am. 406 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 5: I'm i'd say healthily skeptic like that, but in a 407 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,160 in a positive way, like where I'm still very optimistic 408 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:30,799 of the fact that I do believe that there are 409 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,880 things going on, because, in my opinion, you'd be kind 410 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,559 of foolish to think that the energy in your body 411 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,960 just goes away, you know what I mean, Like there's 412 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,880 so much going on for you to not continue on 413 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,119 in some form, you know what I mean what that 414 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:48,559 form is, I don't know, and and I don't know, 415 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:52,160 you know, none of us have those answers. So I 416 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,920 would love to find those things out. So I am 417 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:58,720 very h optimistic that there is something, but I'm very 418 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:03,039 skeptical of it. Is like I'm very, uh, very skeptical 419 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:05,920 about mediums and psychics and things like that, because I 420 00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:07,880 believe in it, I very much do, and I believe 421 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,680 that some people do. 422 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,599 Speaker 4: Have that power. But I'm very skeptical and I'm very 423 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:13,599 uh on guard, you know. 424 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well and you got to be, you 425 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,000 got to be. But yeah, I feel the same way 426 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:19,920 I say, I know there's something out there. I just 427 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,319 don't know exactly what it is, right and you know, 428 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,319 and it's like, you know, I don't know if anyone 429 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,119 really does. I mean, I know, it's weird because you 430 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,440 also sometimes you have to trust people on face value 431 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,160 like that, you know, people have had experiences and it's 432 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,039 like all right, cool, like yeah, if what you're saying, 433 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,440 you know, I have a lot of like weird episodes 434 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,480 on this and people like do you believe that person? 435 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't believe or disbelief. 436 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: Like I'm like, I have someone on because they have 437 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,000 an interesting story, yeap, And it's like, my take is 438 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:48,440 I think we talked about this when we're at that 439 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:50,640 the flea market the other day. It was like, if 440 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,680 any of it's true, the world's a way more interest 441 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:54,480 in place, Yeah for it, you know what I mean? 442 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,759 And I hope it is, but I don't, you know, 443 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,039 I don't know, right, And but that's why I don't 444 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:01,039 interrupt people a lot, like when I have like people 445 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,000 on that mic, Like I've had some really like some 446 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,920 like wild did you ever hear about like Mars twenty 447 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,799 and back missions and things like that. I've had guys 448 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,359 talking about that stuff like that felt like they were 449 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,079 abducted by Satanic colts, sent to like Mars to work 450 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,119 for the aliens and this and all this crazy stuff. 451 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,359 And I'm like, the guy seems pretty normal, like when 452 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,359 you look at his regular Instagram and you know, you know, 453 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,839 pretty like we had. We talked about motorcycles, we talked 454 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:29,799 about all kinds of stuff like and then he gets 455 00:21:29,839 --> 00:21:31,640 into his story, and it's it's a wild one, and 456 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,279 it's like I don't know, like I hope, you know, 457 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,839 like half of me hopes it's not true because this 458 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:37,599 dude went through. 459 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,039 Speaker 4: Some shit, right, you know what I mean. 460 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 3: But half of me like, yeah, if any of it 461 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,359 is true, like goddamn, the world is wild, you know 462 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,279 what I mean, Like and way more wild than we 463 00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,759 even know, and and and you know, it'll explain a 464 00:21:49,799 --> 00:21:51,359 lot of like why a lot of things are the 465 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,559 way they are, like like and hidden from us because 466 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,960 because it's got to be right. But yeah, I actually 467 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,480 think that that fire in this guy that Travis Walton 468 00:21:59,559 --> 00:22:01,759 cases probably one of the more. 469 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:04,279 Speaker 4: Believable. Yeah. 470 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,279 Speaker 5: I actually met Travis Walton in Amityville, New York at 471 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:12,559 a convention. Super nice dude. Yeah, it was weird to 472 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,079 meet him because like that movie is incredible, you know 473 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,119 what I mean. But I totally think that that could 474 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,960 be a thing, you know what I mean, don't I 475 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,400 don't know. I as far as the paranormal stuff goes, 476 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240 aliens were one thing I never saw and I never 477 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,039 really got to. 478 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 4: I'm very interested in it, you know what I mean. 479 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,759 Speaker 5: And it's like things like you know, obviously all really 480 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,799 have his movies and stuff to really to go to 481 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,200 for the most part, you know what I mean. 482 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:39,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of move you know, but 483 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,160 like I don't and I guess, so let me preface 484 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,400 it like this. I don't doubt something happened to him. Yeah, Yeah, 485 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,880 he was abducted and taken somewhere where that is. 486 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,279 Speaker 4: I don't know. 487 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: Was it extraterrestrials from another planet that brought him out 488 00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,319 on the spaceship, I don't know, or was it something 489 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,440 more interdimensional or something docker who knows? Right, I got 490 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,279 a guy coming on named Nathaniel Gillis. We're gonna be 491 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:07,640 I think we're recording next week. And he has like 492 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,039 a whole theory like that, this whole phenomenon is like 493 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,160 really one thing and it presents itself. It's an intelligence 494 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,720 that's been here on Earth for a long time, and 495 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,119 that it presents itself as different things. It can present 496 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,279 itself as an alien, can prevent itself as a demon 497 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,440 or like a ghost or spirit or whatever. And it's 498 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:29,480 just like it presents itself to different people differently for 499 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,599 you know, ah, strategic reasons, like you know what I mean, 500 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,000 It's because it's so it's messing around. It's not it's 501 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,680 not a it's not a benevolent intelligence. It's a little 502 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,440 more nefarious. 503 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 5: So does he also think that maybe that same entity 504 00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:49,400 or or thing is what people see when they think 505 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,680 they see like gods. 506 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 4: Well, that's that's what we'll find out. We'll get into that. 507 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:59,279 So and that's yeah, that's a for everybody. Listen to this. 508 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,519 Speaker 3: When you're with this one, just wait a couple of 509 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,119 weeks and the next one will be out and he 510 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,000 will answer all that. If you've got questions you want 511 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,240 to ask, Nathaniel hit me up ahead of time to 512 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,880 shoot me a DM but yeah, no, like and I 513 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,279 want him, like, I don't want to put words in 514 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,519 his moouth that yeah, because I you know this stuff. 515 00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:15,160 I want to ask him because I've heard him on 516 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,720 other shows and he he goes hard with It's he 517 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:20,440 comes from a real academic perspective and he goes hard 518 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,440 in the field with this stuff. He's not And he's 519 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:28,160 got a lot of photographic and video evidence of like 520 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:32,200 weird goings on of people, like sigils coming through people's skin, 521 00:24:32,519 --> 00:24:34,160 but it's like not on top of the skin, it's 522 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,759 coming from underneath pushing pushing up and crazy weird stuff 523 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,079 like you. 524 00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 525 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:41,319 Speaker 3: So I'm stoked like to have him because that one 526 00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:43,640 will be a video on video, so we'll probably have 527 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,720 a little bit more of a presentation with that. But 528 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,240 what got you uh what I know, So it sounds 529 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,839 like you had, uh, you know, you've had some experiences 530 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,680 of where you couldn't explain things away what it is 531 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:01,319 is still up for whatever. One thing about like going 532 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,039 out It seems like going out on these you know, 533 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:11,000 you know, going out on these investigations. You know, Yeah, 534 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:12,720 you ever go into like someone's house and they just 535 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:14,960 totally tapped. Oh yeah, you know, Like what it's like, 536 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720 what are some of the funny things? I mean, you know, 537 00:25:16,759 --> 00:25:20,039 obviously don't name names and do anything incriminating, but like 538 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,119 with some of the like the weirdest or like funniest 539 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,240 or like like most like we're gonna get the fuck 540 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,759 out of here type of situations that you might have 541 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,440 had doing that, because I'm sure, you know, I'm sure 542 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,599 you get some people that are genuinely concerned and some 543 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:33,519 like good people, but I'm sure you also get some 544 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,440 fucking nuts. 545 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean, We definitely. For the 546 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,440 most part. We normally would do investigations and the people 547 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,559 wouldn't be stick around, you know. I Mean sometimes they 548 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:49,240 would because sometimes they wanted to be involved, but most 549 00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:50,799 of the time they kind of just stick to one 550 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,359 area and just kind of like stay there, you know. Yeah, 551 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,079 but we definitely had our share of people that were like, 552 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,279 all right, yeah, so these stories legit, you know what 553 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:01,119 I mean, And. 554 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 4: That was what we were there to do. 555 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 5: We were there to try to help them figure out 556 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:10,039 if they were crazy or if this might be something 557 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,799 going on. And nine times out of ten we would 558 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:17,920 find things that would be potentially maybe harmful for them, 559 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:22,960 like high emf fields. Like one house we investigated on 560 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,640 the Cape, they literally had power lines right in the 561 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,200 back of their house and we went out with the 562 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,920 meters and it was like registering so high. I was like, 563 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,480 this could definitely mess with someone' psyche, you know what 564 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,319 I mean. You know, when you have that constantly, you know, 565 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,519 it's not good, you know. And then we also did 566 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:44,359 that investigation in New Bedford. We did a one at 567 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:47,640 one of the investigations that TAPS did on one of 568 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,279 their first seasons was I think it was called the 569 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,160 toxic house. We went and investigated that house as well, 570 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,640 because the guy wasn't happy with their results, and we 571 00:26:57,799 --> 00:26:59,680 pretty much came up with the same results, you know 572 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,160 what I mean, Like like he had he the guy 573 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:04,720 used to make candles in the workshop similar to this, 574 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,119 and he just like the fumes from that alone were 575 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,920 enough to you know. 576 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,759 Speaker 4: Cause someone to have some issues, you know what I mean. 577 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,240 So like things like that. 578 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 5: Plus the all had open panels, like electrical panels. It's 579 00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:24,000 like you have EMFs here. You got toxic fumes coming 580 00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:25,519 out of here, you know, no wonder they call it 581 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,119 the toxic house, you know. So like it almost like 582 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240 he wasn't happy that we came to the same conclusion, 583 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:35,960 but I hate to say it, like it was what 584 00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:37,160 it was, you know, and. 585 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 3: At that point, hey, it's better that we're finding this 586 00:27:39,799 --> 00:27:42,079 in the environmental Absolutely. 587 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,559 Speaker 5: I mean he had cleaned some of it up, but 588 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:45,920 it was still it was still there. 589 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, anything any you ever get into any real precarious 590 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,200 or sketchy situations. 591 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 5: No, knock on wood, No, because not to mention, we 592 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,920 also were rolling like at least four to six people. 593 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,559 Speaker 4: In our groups, so kind of different pre screening. 594 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 5: Absolutely absolute most of the people that we dealt with 595 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,079 were people that we either knew from someone else or 596 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:11,599 or found us or or it was like a public. 597 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,519 Speaker 4: Location, you know what I mean That that we weren't 598 00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:14,839 really that worried, you. 599 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 5: Know, but most of it was people that from friends 600 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,680 of friends or like we did actually have like a 601 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,799 like a psychic that would sometimes go on some investigations 602 00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,160 with us, and she would actually get some people that 603 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,079 would talk to her and say, hey, you know, I 604 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,960 would really like someone to come and take a look, 605 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,640 and so we do like joint investigations with them, you 606 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,119 know what I mean. 607 00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 4: So cool man? What what? What? What happened with it? 608 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:38,599 Speaker 3: Like? 609 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: What did what made you get out of it? 610 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,319 Speaker 5: It wasn't really that I wanted to get out of 611 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,000 it per se. But music kind of was taking off 612 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,079 more because when I started that was in a lull 613 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,880 of when I was really doing much with music. 614 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:56,279 Speaker 4: So I was looking for something else to pass the time, 615 00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,039 you know what I mean. Like I was working, I 616 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:00,319 just had. 617 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,319 Speaker 5: One one child, I had another one on the way, 618 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,079 and I was like, you know, I wanted to get 619 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,200 get out and do some stuff. So you know, it 620 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:11,000 was fun for something to do, and it was something 621 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,160 I was interested in, you know. So, but then when 622 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,519 the bands when when the band I was in at 623 00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:17,559 the time, because at that time it was terrorizing, was 624 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,119 kind of taken off and really doing pretty well, and 625 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,240 they they would be we got shows here, we got 626 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,799 shows there, and then they'd be like, oh, we have 627 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:27,920 an investigation here, and I'm like, well, I got a show, 628 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,119 so I got to go to my show, you know 629 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,240 what I mean. You guys got X amount of people. 630 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,160 You don't need me, you know what I mean. So 631 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,640 it was it kind of sucked because I felt like 632 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:40,680 I was giving something up that I kind of started, 633 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,680 you know what I mean. But in the same sense, 634 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,319 I knew they could handle it, and I would help 635 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,319 them with footage or you know, listening to audio or 636 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,240 whatever after the fact, you know what I mean. So 637 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,519 one cool thing was we had a server that we 638 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:58,440 would just dump all of our footage, our videos, our audio, everything, 639 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,519 so we could all sit through the stuff at our 640 00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:02,400 own time, you know what I mean. 641 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, so say you got to break. 642 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 3: That stuff up, because if you're in a place in 643 00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:09,559 your recording six hours, I was like, how tedious, and 644 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:11,839 like you must just want to kill yourself, like when 645 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,240 you're going through like six hours of audio like trying 646 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,519 or is there I'm sure Now there's ways with especially 647 00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:19,400 with like AI and stuff that it can just like, oh, 648 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,359 I'm sure, just just show me the things when it's 649 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:22,079 like a little. 650 00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 5: Well that's one thing, like like that's a good point. Actually, 651 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:27,359 like what we would do is we would dump it 652 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,920 on like like Audacity or something like that, and we'd 653 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,799 literally look for any kind of like psych at all 654 00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:34,680 and then we jump to that spot. But for the 655 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,799 most part, like with the video stuff, you'd have to 656 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,799 literally just sit there and watch it. Yeah, you know, 657 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,240 because you can if you you can't do that with 658 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:42,240 a video, you. 659 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:43,759 Speaker 4: Know, you just got to watch it. 660 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:45,759 Speaker 5: So it's just watching this person just sitting in a 661 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,079 room talking to a you know, EMF meter, a K 662 00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,119 and K two meter and just be like, you know, 663 00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:52,680 you know what's going on? 664 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: You know, yeah, so you know. But that's the thing. 665 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:56,720 That's the thing they don't. 666 00:30:57,359 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: I'm sure the show's probably talk about it, give you 667 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,359 some lips, but that's what you don't see, like you 668 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,000 you know, I think you know the problem with any 669 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,640 quote unquote reality TV is that they're just showing you 670 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,039 the highlights and the good stuff. They're not showing the 671 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,119 six hours of sitting there like ready to fucking eat 672 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,839 a bullet. Well not like yeah, dude, you're like, I 673 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,559 don't want to watch another minute of this, but you 674 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,079 gotta if you're driven to do it. 675 00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 5: And it's not just the post stuff though, you're also 676 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,200 going to do the pre stuff, like you're gonna do 677 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:24,519 some research about the location, about the area, like things 678 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,759 like that, because if you don't know going into it, 679 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,599 what you might be going into or what to look for, 680 00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:30,640 you know what I mean? 681 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 4: Like, so let me ask you. Let me ask you 682 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:33,720 a question about that. 683 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: Do you think whether you know or at least have 684 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,720 the potential, Like if you do too much research ahead 685 00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:44,079 of time, you might do you know what I'm saying, Like, 686 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:45,920 is it better to go in cold and not know 687 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,880 or is it better to like you know, like if 688 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,039 you have like too much of a primery You're like, 689 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,319 all right, well let's look for this guy. 690 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, specific guy, And you know 691 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:55,400 what I'm. 692 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,119 Speaker 5: Saying, Like, no, I totally know what you mean, because 693 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,599 you're right because they're I hate to say it, but 694 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,799 there there were some guys on my team once in 695 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,160 a while that would be like, oh I saw that. 696 00:32:04,279 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 4: I saw that. 697 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 5: I'd be like, all right, let's let's reel it back. Well, 698 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,160 let's what did you actually see? 699 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:10,599 Speaker 4: What did you hear? You know what I mean. Like 700 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,000 so once in a while, you're. 701 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,799 Speaker 5: Right, you'll have something in your head you're expecting or 702 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,519 or looking for, and if you convince yourself that you're 703 00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,400 going to see this, you might. You might see Elvis 704 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,519 if you wanted to, you know what I mean. So 705 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,920 you got to kind of keep a level head. I 706 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,960 like to kind of just know the basics, Like you know, 707 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,440 is is this an area with limestone? Is this uh 708 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:36,359 an area that sure it might have some history to it, 709 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,079 is that you know, things like that, But we're in 710 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:39,599 New England. 711 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,519 Speaker 4: There's not a spot that doesn't have history. You know, 712 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,319 you're absolutely right, you know. But that's also why it's 713 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,680 kind of. 714 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 5: Cool to be able to do this type of stuff 715 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,319 around here, because like we're like we were based out 716 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,960 of Plymouth area, so it was it was I mean, 717 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,559 America's freaking hometown. Is all those hell of ship that 718 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:56,880 went on? 719 00:32:57,079 --> 00:33:00,599 Speaker 3: You know, It's always funny because like like from here, right, 720 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240 I lived in other places in Arizona. They're like, you 721 00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,240 get an accent. I'm like, no, you get an accent. 722 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,960 I'm like, I'm from Like I live like twenty minutes 723 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:07,680 from Plymouth Rock. 724 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,279 Speaker 4: Never thought of that. I'm like, you guys got the 725 00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,000 accent like this is ye. 726 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:16,039 Speaker 5: No, I never actually thought of that, but you're absolutely right, 727 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960 like we're from the hometown. 728 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like I can. I could ride my 729 00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,599 bike and go see bicycle and go see Plymouth Rock, 730 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,480 right right right, I mean like you know the fake rock. Yeah, 731 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,599 of course, the little and for anybody that's coming out 732 00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:34,079 here to go see Plymouth Rock, he prepared to be 733 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,839 so underwhelming, so bad. 734 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 5: One time, funny quick quick Bill story. One time I 735 00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:43,480 forget what it was. It might have been during the 736 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,240 pandemic or something. Bill likes to ride ten speed bikes 737 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,359 all over the place, right, and one day he rode 738 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,920 from New Bedford to Plymouth to Plymouth Rock. And he's like, 739 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,839 post a picture. He's like, rode to Plymouth Rock. My comment, 740 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,920 not the real rock. 741 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:56,359 Speaker 4: Yeah. 742 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 5: And ever since then he's just he's like you like 743 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,920 it was all about his accomplishment and I on it 744 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,160 just by saying nothing. I wasn't trying to ship on 745 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,319 his accomplished. You were making fun of the I was 746 00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,360 making fun of the rock but it was just funny. 747 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920 So like we had everything, we joke back back and 748 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,440 forth with like not the real whatever. 749 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a running gag. Yeah, of course. And I 750 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,599 can see Bill holding onto that. Oh yeah, oh yeah, 751 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,559 and Bill. Bill was on the podcast I forgot. 752 00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:25,559 Speaker 3: I don't know the episode offhand, but go look up 753 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,599 Bill with one L and he talks about we're just 754 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,519 getting out of the season and we'll talk about that next. 755 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,199 But the doing the haunted house stuff, so you went 756 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,480 from like investigations, you know, and now to to actually 757 00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:39,159 scaring kids. 758 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, actually that came first, very first. Yeah, I started 759 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,719 doing haunted house stuff when I was in in high school, 760 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:54,639 early high school nineteen ninety is when I first did 761 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,599 my first haunt, which was at actually the church and 762 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,880 UH then after that I worked at UH at a 763 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,679 professional haunt which was a little bit bigger, at UH 764 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,280 in Fave and at the Fave and Improvement Association. 765 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 4: So I did. 766 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,599 Speaker 5: Me and my brother we just went We'd throw blood 767 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:14,039 all over ourselves and just run into walls and scare people, 768 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:14,239 you know. 769 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:14,559 Speaker 4: What I mean. 770 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 3: What what? 771 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 2: What? 772 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:17,639 Speaker 4: What was the drive? Like? What got you into wanting 773 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,000 to do that? 774 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,119 Speaker 5: I just going to haunted houses when I was a 775 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,639 little kid. I always loved them, Like there were certain 776 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,679 ones that I loved, like that one I just was 777 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,440 telling you. I just started I started working at and 778 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,039 then there was one in Fall River at the p 779 00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:32,239 a L Club. Do you remember the pl C p 780 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,280 a L Club. They had a haunted house there. It 781 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,239 was like two floors and it was just you'd sit there, 782 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,800 you'd wait and they'd have old movies on, like Young 783 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,920 Frankenstein and Monster Squad and shit like that, and you'd 784 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,159 sit there and wait and with the anticipation of going 785 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,119 in the haunted house. And then you go in and 786 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,960 and it was just sheets and and you know, Jason 787 00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,840 and Freddy And looking back, I'm like that was not 788 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,280 the greatest, but it was so fun to me kid. 789 00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:03,079 Oh yeah, to me a person that doesn't know what 790 00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:04,440 haunted houses are now. 791 00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like anything though, like technology advances, Yeah, absolutely, 792 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,960 you know, and it's like you know, like it used 793 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,880 to skate, right, yep. 794 00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:14,519 Speaker 4: So I was a skater. That's how I got into 795 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:16,679 punk rock and hardboy. And we'll get into all that. 796 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 3: But I'm saying, like, think about like in the early 797 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,880 days of skating, like we were doing like acid drops 798 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,280 and bonuses and like all these just came out and 799 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,320 that was like the big trick everyone like in kickflips 800 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,119 and stuff. And then like you know, the next generation, 801 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,239 that's the first stuff they learned, right, and then it's 802 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,639 like everything advances. So even that world of like haunts 803 00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:36,800 and stuff, like you know, you go when you're a 804 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,039 kid in the eighties or whatever, it's like archaic stuff, 805 00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,199 but like the stuff that's available now. Because Bill was 806 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,840 talking about how they have conventions of like haunted like 807 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,280 technology and like new technology and new things and all 808 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,880 this stuff like this like what an industry it's turned into. 809 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,639 Speaker 4: It's it's huge, you know. 810 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,559 Speaker 5: So going to that and then you know, going and 811 00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:00,639 doing it myself was just it was like acome true, 812 00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:02,119 you know what I mean. So me and my brother 813 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,920 we'd always go. My mom would take us to the 814 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880 Haunted house, loved it. We'd bring friends, we'd all love it. 815 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,960 So then I got to do it. 816 00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 4: It was just it was just amazing, you know. 817 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:12,639 Speaker 5: So I did that for a few years and then 818 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,079 ended up going up to Spooky World. I worked for 819 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:16,760 Spooky World for a couple of. 820 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 4: Years and then. 821 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 5: Goolie Manor in Taunton. That was at the Taunton Galleria Mall. 822 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,079 I worked there for five years and I've been at 823 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,280 Feartown now for eight years. 824 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,079 Speaker 3: So what do you think the psychology is? Like what 825 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,519 drives people to want to go and just get the 826 00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:34,480 shit scared out of them? 827 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 4: I know the psychology. 828 00:37:36,039 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 5: It's it's being put at a in a dangerous situation 829 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,320 that you know you're safe in. 830 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 831 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 5: It's basically testing your body's fight or flight instincts in 832 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,599 a controlled situation. 833 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Because I think you know, 834 00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:57,880 humans evolved and we used to have it a lot rougher. 835 00:37:58,039 --> 00:37:59,440 Oh god, yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I 836 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,840 think there's I think that's like a genetic memory, like 837 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,800 you know what I mean, Like very rarely do you 838 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,760 have that in normal life today. I mean, I know 839 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,079 some people do, Like depends on what you're involved in 840 00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:11,519 in the world, you know what I mean. Some people 841 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,960 are involved in some sketchy shit, right, So you know 842 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,119 what I mean, And so you get tested that all 843 00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:19,440 the time. But by and large, life is fairly easy 844 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,880 compared to what it was one hundred years ago, one 845 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,920 hundred and fifty years ago, forty years ago, fifty years ago. Right, 846 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,800 So you know, that's what I always wondered, if there's 847 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,119 something like that where people need to have that, like 848 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:35,119 because genetically we adapted to dealing with that. Now we 849 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:36,639 don't have to deal with it as much, but there's 850 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,119 all this internal programming in us to deal with it. 851 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360 And when you're not you know, you know what I mean. Like, 852 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:47,599 so yeah, we're saying I think the same thing like 853 00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:49,119 I was wondering, you know, if. 854 00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 4: That was part of the deal. 855 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 5: It's also part of like it's at spooky season, they're 856 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,000 watching horror movies. They want to be part of something 857 00:38:57,639 --> 00:39:01,159 similar to that. So it just basically makes them put 858 00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:04,440 in a horror movie for you know, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, 859 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,239 and then they're safe, you know what I mean. 860 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 4: So it's it's you know, and then you just got 861 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:09,920 people that are just. 862 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,559 Speaker 5: Into that type of a thing, you know what I mean, 863 00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:13,960 Like like myself, like I go to I go to 864 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,559 it because again, I love horror movies, so you know, 865 00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:19,360 I want to see you know, I want to see blood. 866 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,559 I want to see carnage. I want to see craziness. 867 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,320 I want people. It's tough for people to scare me 868 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,239 now because I've been watching and doing this type of 869 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,039 stuff for a time. You jump scares or what got 870 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:30,599 what get me? 871 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, but like at this point, like you're 872 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,239 probably you're going through it in a different way if 873 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,199 you like, say you went to Florida or something. Oh, yeah, 874 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,719 you went to a haunt, you know, like because I'm 875 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,320 sure you probably like that. Like if you're traveling, you 876 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,639 go good, yeah, because you can set your industry. But 877 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,320 you're looking at it from an eye like how are 878 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,159 they doing this? All right? 879 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 4: I know that one or I know what's coming. 880 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,559 Speaker 3: Next because you know, you're looking at it from the industry. Yeah, 881 00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:51,559 you're looking at the set, but that design's cool that. 882 00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,159 Speaker 5: One man, they're slacking their Like I'm looking at the sets, 883 00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,239 I'm looking at the makeup, but I'm also critiquing in 884 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,320 my head because I'm an actor manager, so like I'm 885 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,840 critiquing and things like that, like you know, that person 886 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,880 should have should have came out again, you know what 887 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,400 I mean, Like they popped out once and this whole 888 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,039 rest of the line, didn't get scared, you know what 889 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:09,280 I mean? 890 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,679 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, but what what? What? 891 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 3: Uh? 892 00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:15,039 Speaker 4: What keeps you into that? 893 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 3: Like you know, and you think you've probably already kind 894 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,760 of just addressed it by by everything we're talking about, 895 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,280 but like you've been involved in that world for a 896 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,239 long time, Like what keeps you coming back to that? 897 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,440 Because I know that you know right now you can 898 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,519 take a breath, But the last few weeks you probably 899 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:32,199 like had zero free time like running, you know, balancing 900 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,840 a lot, you know what I mean, especially out here 901 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,280 in New England, Like Halloween's are huge or deal a 902 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:37,840 huge thing. 903 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,559 Speaker 5: You know, yeah, it's it's it's definitely a busy, busy 904 00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:45,599 time of year pretty much from August all the way 905 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,239 until like mid November, because you got to set up. 906 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:50,360 Well I don't set up we have we have I 907 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,639 have other guys. Well I don't have other guys, think 908 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,880 the Haunt has other guys. Like we have five or 909 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,440 six different people that work solely on building and so 910 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,840 they start right away, like right right, so that we 911 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,079 our Haunt is a set up and take down haunted attraction. 912 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,039 And we also own Factory of Terror in Fall River, 913 00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:14,159 So factory of Terror is one of our bases of 914 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,079 where we can do some building and stuff like that. 915 00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:19,039 And on the off season, so they'll work on factory 916 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,960 and building that up because that stays there twenty like 917 00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,239 all year long, so they can build behold the sets 918 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,880 and they stay there. But Fear Town stuff is done 919 00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,519 there and at another warehouse, So they build sets, they 920 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,800 build props and everything, and then they bring it over 921 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,000 to Fear Town in like mid June, mid July to 922 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,679 start assembling it, you know what I mean. So so 923 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,039 they do that stuff and then I pretty much start 924 00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:52,280 doing the schedule, scheduling, interview process in like July, So 925 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,920 we start interviewing in July, start hiring people. Then we 926 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,199 start doing actor trainings and things of that nature to 927 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,719 try to get people hyped up for the season and 928 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,239 ready to do stuff. Some people have never done this before, 929 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,519 you know what I mean. So we'll kind of give 930 00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:10,119 them some tools to put in their tool belt of 931 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,800 things that they can do and ways that they can 932 00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:15,360 kind of create a character in their head. Because for 933 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,440 the most part, we give them the idea of what 934 00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:21,840 their character is, the spot and the scares, and then 935 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,719 it's up to them to kind of fill in those 936 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,719 blanks and kind of paint paint the picture for the customer, 937 00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,519 So they kind of tell the story of what's going 938 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,679 on through through that one attraction that they're in, you 939 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,280 know what I mean. So we'll do different trainings and 940 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,760 orientations and things of that nature to try to get 941 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:39,559 them ready for that. 942 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,119 Speaker 4: Yeah. Now, Factory of Terror operates all year No, no, 943 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:46,280 we're there all year long. 944 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,039 Speaker 3: You have the facility building. Okay, they're gonna be like damn. 945 00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,159 I was like, how often do they get to change things? 946 00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 4: Can? 947 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,559 Speaker 5: Well, the last couple of years, they they actually had 948 00:42:56,639 --> 00:43:00,840 a escape room esque type thing the off season that 949 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,119 they did called Midnight Games, and they did that from 950 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,719 I want to say March until like juneish, and so 951 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,480 they would utilize that space for that as well. So 952 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,000 just to try to maximize what they can do with 953 00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,480 the with the location, because it's a it's a big 954 00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,480 oh yeah, it's a huge, big location. 955 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:23,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, having it, you know, dormant for a 956 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,360 few months like it Yeah. 957 00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,519 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, but again it does also double 958 00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,840 as a workshop, so they can do things to build 959 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,360 up for the next for the season, you know what 960 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,519 I mean. So it's uh, you know, it's it's a nice, 961 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,960 nice thing to have the two locations because you got 962 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,519 the one that's pretty much set and ready to go. 963 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,199 They'll change rooms every year. They change you know, five 964 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,679 to six rooms every year, so it's always evolving, you know. Yeah, 965 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,840 fear Town is all new every year, you know what 966 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,639 I mean. So they'll basically just new new themes, new everything, 967 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:54,920 you know. 968 00:43:55,239 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, man, uh, and you. 969 00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,679 Speaker 3: Just you answered the question I was gonna ask, like, 970 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,280 how often like a thing's changing, And it's how much 971 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,480 it's changing because it's because you want to keep people 972 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:09,920 coming back. Absolutely can't do the same thing because everyone'sun 973 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,119 be like, all right, this is kind of gona you're 974 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:11,840 gonna go around the corner. 975 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,079 Speaker 4: This guy's gonna jump out right right. 976 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:16,360 Speaker 5: I mean, there's something to be said for classic horror, Like, yeah, 977 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,159 how many times I go to Disney all the time. 978 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,239 I go to Haunted Mansion every single time, multiple times. 979 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,360 It's the exact same thing, but it's classic and. 980 00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:24,320 Speaker 4: I love it, you know what I mean. 981 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 5: So if it's a classic thing like that, then then great, 982 00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:30,000 you know what I mean. But other than that, you 983 00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,400 want to keep people coming you know, because I mean 984 00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:35,639 Disney's Disney, you know, it's a different thing. Yeah, So, 985 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,440 but there's other things that like you need to you 986 00:44:38,519 --> 00:44:40,400 need to bring new people into even you know what 987 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,000 I mean. So if someone's you know, say one year, 988 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,320 they're like, oh, that wasn't there, It wasn't for me 989 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,000 this year, But then the next year they may love 990 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,440 it way more than they've loved it ever, you know 991 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,000 what I mean. So you know, it's always trying to 992 00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,800 change it up and keep people guessing. 993 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,559 Speaker 3: And plus people have different psychological triggers that like of 994 00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:00,719 what freaks them out or what they're in are not into, 995 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,960 or you know, what is an acceptable scare versus what 996 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,480 it's like a totally off limit scare. 997 00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, things like that. Do you guys do? Like with Bill, 998 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,280 is it a badge of honor if you get someone 999 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,639 to the pants? Yeah, that's that a real thing. It 1000 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,679 is a real thing. And I trust no. 1001 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,800 Speaker 3: No, But when I very really if I had you know, 1002 00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:23,639 you're the second house person Hunter I've had on, so 1003 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,960 I know someone's gonna ask me why I didn't. 1004 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, absolutely When when when we worked at Spooky World, 1005 00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:34,280 that's where I first start heard of the the toxic 1006 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,320 waste badge. 1007 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 1008 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 5: It was it was literally toxic avenger like on a badge. 1009 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,840 So like if you've got a pissa, they there's a 1010 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,679 there's a Massachusetts acent right, but if you get a pissa, 1011 00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:47,559 you got a badge, you know what I mean. But 1012 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,400 we don't we don't actually do that at our haunt. 1013 00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,440 It's not because we don't want to. It's just it's 1014 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,280 just kind of a chaotic night, you know. Yeah, we 1015 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,639 do obviously, like if someone says, oh I got someone 1016 00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:00,519 to piss, we will applaud I mean, you know what 1017 00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,800 I mean, Like it is a badge of honor, but 1018 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,719 it's it's more of a yellow the yellow badge of Yeah, yeah, 1019 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,679 it's more of a it's more of a uh metaphorical one, 1020 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,840 you know what I mean. So, but we have talked 1021 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,719 about bringing it back and I think Bill said that 1022 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,800 Barrett's has brought it back, so you know, they actually 1023 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,559 have a badge. 1024 00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:22,800 Speaker 3: So so so don't don't fill up on soda and 1025 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,400 water before, you know, drink a big gatorade before you 1026 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:26,320 go to these things. 1027 00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:31,639 Speaker 4: Because we will try to make you, uh evacuate that. 1028 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:36,039 Speaker 3: Get that get that good, get that going now when 1029 00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:37,920 that does happen, is it kids or is it like 1030 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:38,599 a whole array? 1031 00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,199 Speaker 4: Is it? Like you'd be surprised. 1032 00:46:41,679 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 5: Like sometimes like one time, when I was working a 1033 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,239 Spooky World, my son, who at the time was I 1034 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,320 want to say three four four years old, three four 1035 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,920 years old, I would bring him with us and he 1036 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,880 would just dress up in like a Google costume, you 1037 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,960 know what I mean. So like at the time, I 1038 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,039 was the greeter of a vampire house, so I would 1039 00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:04,559 bring people in and I was dressed like Renfield from 1040 00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:08,000 from Dracula, you know, and uh, nobody knew who I was, 1041 00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,239 but I was That's what I was thinking in my head, 1042 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,280 you know. But anyway, my son would be hiding in 1043 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,920 a corner and one time a couple of the New 1044 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,679 England Patriots came in and they were big dudes, you know. 1045 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 4: They walk in. 1046 00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 5: I'm doing my spiel telling them, you know, the rules 1047 00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:26,280 of the of the of the Haunt, and on cue. 1048 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,000 My son comes out of the corner and those dudes 1049 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,159 lost their They were like, oh, hell no, I don't 1050 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:37,159 do kids. It was so funny, Like you'd be surprised 1051 00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,800 how many like kids, like because a lot of us 1052 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,320 haunters have kids, and we'll bring the kids and put 1053 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,760 them in in a scene and whatnot, and and you 1054 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:45,679 know they have a blast. 1055 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,280 Speaker 4: You know, obviously it's safe. 1056 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,159 Speaker 5: We keep them safe, you know, but people get so 1057 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,840 scared of children in a haunted house. 1058 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,280 Speaker 3: And I don't think anyone from the child laberboard is no. No, 1059 00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,000 and listening to this episode, like you did not really 1060 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,039 not employ They're just hanging. 1061 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 5: Out, correct, We're just let give it, let him have 1062 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:04,400 some fun. 1063 00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:09,159 Speaker 4: But the kids get involved because kids love scaring other kids. 1064 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,519 Speaker 5: My daughter's been doing it since she was four years 1065 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:14,519 old and she's seventeen now going to be going to 1066 00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,159 college next year. You know, this was her last season 1067 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,480 before she goes to college. It was a big like, 1068 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,360 you know, it was a big thing because you know, 1069 00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,920 it's it's sad, you know, she's one of her and 1070 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,360 my son or the reasons why I got back into 1071 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,880 haunting again because they were like, we want to do 1072 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,079 it some more. I like, and my friend Mike that 1073 00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,280 owns Fear Town, he reached out. He was like, hey, 1074 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,960 you guys want to come work. 1075 00:48:36,039 --> 00:48:37,639 Speaker 4: I was like, yes, we do. 1076 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 5: Because the guy knew the kids wanted to so it 1077 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,760 started started at us back up, you know. 1078 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's like you know, like, uh like if 1079 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,239 she comes home for summers, that's not the time anyway, 1080 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:48,920 you know what I mean. 1081 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't work. 1082 00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's been talks of her trying to 1083 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,159 make trips down for like a weekend or something like 1084 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,440 flying up or whatever, and you know, doing one one. 1085 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,280 Speaker 4: She's going far else. 1086 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,599 Speaker 5: She's if she gets the school she wants, she's going 1087 00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:05,000 to North Carolina. So you know she wants to go 1088 00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,519 to UNC Chapel Hill. It's good school. Yeah, yeah, I 1089 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,440 hope she gets it. You know, she's got the grades 1090 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,199 for it, she's got the attitude, and she's got a 1091 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,079 lot of a lot of good things going for so, 1092 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:13,519 you know. 1093 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:22,199 Speaker 4: Cool, good luck And then uh yeah, so did we 1094 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,920 talk about everything that we've been talking about? 1095 00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I know, like it's like funny because like 1096 00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:29,760 you know, it's like I've known you a long time. 1097 00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,239 But it's also interesting because like you know, I don't 1098 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,000 think we've ever sat down and talked for like two 1099 00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,400 hours other than yeah. But but it's like there's a 1100 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,280 lot of like you hit on a lot of things 1101 00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,000 that we talk about on the show. So I'm just like, 1102 00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:43,599 what else, what else would haunted? Anything else that we 1103 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:47,400 haven't talked about that's interesting or important, you know. I 1104 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,559 don't want to gloss. I want to give it. 1105 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean it's it's basically like one 1106 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,000 thing that people don't realize is is haunters are are 1107 00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:56,480 a family, you know what I mean. It's just like 1108 00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,199 anything else, you know. I'm sure the the chapel world 1109 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,880 is a bunch of friends and family, you know what 1110 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,559 I mean. So like that type of thing or punk 1111 00:50:04,599 --> 00:50:06,679 punk and hardcore, you know, it's all friends and family, 1112 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,280 you know. So like when you're at a haunt, those 1113 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920 people are your friends and literally some of the closest 1114 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,199 people you have for two months at a time, you 1115 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,639 know what I mean. So like the haunt, the haunt 1116 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,000 family is strong. And then the haunt depression when it happened, 1117 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,559 when when it's done is strong too, you know what 1118 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,119 I mean. So we do try to keep people in 1119 00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,239 contact with each other. We do try to do some 1120 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,000 off season things, like once in a while we'll go 1121 00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,599 to a haunt together, like the Christmas haunts, Like some 1122 00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,079 of the haunts do Christmas events, so we'll all sometimes 1123 00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,000 go do that, or we'll all go out to like 1124 00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,920 Dave and Busters with Bill and all the other Haunters 1125 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,320 that are. 1126 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:48,280 Speaker 4: Literally going have like a hot night. What am I doing? 1127 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:48,599 You know? 1128 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,000 Speaker 5: You need to see your haunt people, you know, because 1129 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,199 I mean we all kind of feel like with the 1130 00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,119 Island of Misfit Toys, just a bunch of people that 1131 00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,320 are like into horror and spooky crazy shit and and 1132 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,039 don't really fit in kind of like the hardcore scene 1133 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,239 where how a lot of people get into punk and 1134 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,320 hardcore where you know you're the outcast and you find 1135 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,840 your family, you find what makes you feel good, you 1136 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,920 know what I mean. So it's it's very similar like that. 1137 00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:16,559 Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely, man, And that's what I like about 1138 00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,119 all these subcultures. It's just like you know what i mean, 1139 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,119 they all kind of have there's so many similarities between 1140 00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:26,519 all these worlds. Yeah, like that are like anything that's 1141 00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:29,400 like outside the mainstream. And I'm sure the mainstream has 1142 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,480 its all, you know, that's all whatever, you know what 1143 00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:34,000 I mean, But I've never existed in that, even when 1144 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,920 I've tried to live side by side with it, it 1145 00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:38,840 never you know what I mean. Hence, you know, you know, 1146 00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:42,599 like I had a pretty lucrative career working in you know, 1147 00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,719 research and stuff, and it's like nope. Now I'm sitting 1148 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,280 here in this motorcycle shop struggling. It's winter. I'm like, 1149 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,480 why am I doing this? It's the stupidest business to 1150 00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:52,400 be in in New England? 1151 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,079 Speaker 4: But love it, but I love it. Yeah. 1152 00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:56,599 Speaker 3: So I'm here between here and the tattoo shop and 1153 00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,679 the bar. It's like very you know, I'm setting my 1154 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,159 anti social ways and I like, I can't find it, 1155 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,000 so you know what I mean. 1156 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,480 Speaker 4: So this is what I'm doing to do. 1157 00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 3: But that's because I feel like from a young age 1158 00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:13,079 that that stuff was instilled in me with growing up 1159 00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:15,880 in like skateboarding and punk rock and hardcore and all 1160 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,039 that stuff. And you know punk rock progressing into hardcore 1161 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,400 and you know metal and shit like yeah, and and 1162 00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,920 I don't regret it, man, And I feel like that 1163 00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,440 was a great way to to to to live and 1164 00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:29,960 to grow up, especially in those times. And I'm not 1165 00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:33,519 taking away from anything like now, but forty years ago, 1166 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,320 you know, it was a different deal man, Like you know, 1167 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,239 like it wasn't cool like now, Like like the punk 1168 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,079 kid in school is just another kid, like and it's 1169 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:42,960 like the the like the cool thing like it. 1170 00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:44,159 Speaker 4: Skater is like a cool thing. 1171 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,519 Speaker 3: Like I was like, no, dude, I was getting fist fights, 1172 00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,519 like literally on a weekly basis because of this stuff. 1173 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,559 Like someone was calling you, who's skate fag? Or you know, 1174 00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,519 blah blah blah or whatever, you know what I mean, 1175 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:56,440 or punk Rocky looked weird, you know what I mean? 1176 00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:59,079 Like you know, and I look at pictures of myself 1177 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,039 from a that age and I'm like, yeah, I would 1178 00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:02,360 have picked on me to right, you know what I mean, 1179 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,760 Like you know what I mean, little. 1180 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,000 Speaker 4: Ship head, you know, yeah, we're all trying to figure 1181 00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:08,280 it out out. 1182 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:13,239 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, and I and the I got a funny 1183 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,360 picture of me and Ryan rest in Peace, like from 1184 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,280 when we were like thirteen and we were just trying 1185 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:19,880 to figure it out. And you know, I have like 1186 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,880 a hand drawn suicidal tendency shirt on. I was trying 1187 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,320 to grow devil Art got like a jean jacket was 1188 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,440 like we just threw bleach on it, you know, the 1189 00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:29,760 dumb stuff. Ryan had like a shaved head in the 1190 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,519 front mullet like but before like a mullet was like ironic, 1191 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,639 you know, like we were just dumb dumb asses like 1192 00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,639 trying to get through it, you know what I mean. 1193 00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:39,079 Speaker 4: And you know what I mean. So it was fun, 1194 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,559 you know what I mean. But what was the path? 1195 00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,400 Like what what? 1196 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,920 Speaker 3: Because you know, I'm always interested in hearing what people 1197 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,119 got on that path, especially back then when it wasn't 1198 00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:51,320 the cool thing or the easy thing to do, like oh, 1199 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960 the available thing, because it's like, you know, I first 1200 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,320 heard it. I remember hearing it on U mass dot 1201 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,519 myth well WSMU one it was at the time, and 1202 00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,960 it was like just listening to the radio and then 1203 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,199 like Suicidal came on in Black Flag and I was like, 1204 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,719 what is this and like it like instantly resonated. I 1205 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,159 was like I don't know what this is, but this 1206 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,679 is me. This is it, Like you know this click 1207 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,559 like like instantly, and but you know, for you, what 1208 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,960 was like like what got you into punk and stuff? 1209 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,559 Like because I know you were in it, your your 1210 00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,360 I know you're a lifer, but like what, like what 1211 00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,639 was the impetus behind it? Like like we're like, you know, 1212 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,559 how did you delve into this world? 1213 00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:31,000 Speaker 5: It started young music in general just started young, Like 1214 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:35,239 I just I just gravitated towards heavier music. Like you know, 1215 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,199 like starting out, my favorite bands were like Motley Crue 1216 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,239 and Twisted Sister and Quiet Riot. 1217 00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:42,199 Speaker 4: And def Leppet and stuff like that. 1218 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 5: But then, you know, then I got into high school 1219 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,119 and I started getting into the skateboard culture and skating 1220 00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,559 and stuff like that. So I started hanging out with 1221 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,679 other kids that were like, Hey, check this out, check 1222 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,280 this out. I had a cousin that was into stuff 1223 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,559 because he had older brothers that were into things, and 1224 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,840 so I would listen to their stuff. And you know, 1225 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,880 all my skate friends like Martin Johnson and all those 1226 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,280 Eric Hodges, a bunch of people from Faven area. They'd 1227 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,199 be like, oh, check this band out, check this band out. 1228 00:55:08,199 --> 00:55:10,800 So like the bands that kind of started me on 1229 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,519 the punk path were like the Misfits, uh, Sex Pistols, 1230 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:18,280 stuff like that, Yeah, you know the one on one Yeah, 1231 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,360 stuff that's still good noue. Like I didn't get into 1232 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,480 like the Ramones until a little later, you know, stuff 1233 00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,199 like that, but like the Misfits, and and then and then, 1234 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,480 like I said, I I've had other friends, like my 1235 00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,000 friend Ronnie DaCosta that I was in a church youth 1236 00:55:32,039 --> 00:55:35,000 group with. He would show me bands and stuff, and 1237 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,880 we went to school together and he just walked through 1238 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,920 the halls and like just push me and be singing slapshot. 1239 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,719 Speaker 4: Lyrics, you know, and I'm like, WHOA, what is that? 1240 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:43,440 You know what I mean. 1241 00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,599 Speaker 5: So, like it just it got to a point where 1242 00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,760 like I just be reaching out. Like luck luckily I 1243 00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,079 had friends and I had people that were interested in 1244 00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:54,320 that stuff that could kind of guide me on my path, 1245 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440 you know. Like I know, we had talked at the 1246 00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,000 convention about like you being the person for other people 1247 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,280 people and then those people being that person for me, 1248 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,800 you know what I mean. I did, yeah, yeah, and 1249 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,400 I was. I was actually in the shop with Shane Mackie. 1250 00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,480 So that's why me and Shane got close. As far 1251 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,920 as like skating and punkin hardcore and stuff like so 1252 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,519 like Ronnie DaCosta, Shane Mackie, they would be making me mixtapes, 1253 00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,000 you know what I mean. Martin Johnson would make me stuff, 1254 00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,400 you know, like all those guys. I mean, It's funny 1255 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,679 because like I went to elementary school with like George 1256 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,679 Rafford and didn't even know that he was into hardcore 1257 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,079 until later at that point, you know what I mean. 1258 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,679 So it was like all those people, like we all 1259 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,320 kind of grew up together, you know what I mean. 1260 00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:40,639 So like seeing those guys getting into this stuff and 1261 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,960 passing it down to me, it kind of just went 1262 00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:45,039 hand in hand, you know what I mean. 1263 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,679 Speaker 4: So then I found my path, you know what I mean. 1264 00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,840 Speaker 3: And I think skateboarding and especially the old skate videos 1265 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,519 and Thrashing Magazine had so much, was such a gateway absolutely, 1266 00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,239 you know what I mean. You know, and I you know, 1267 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,480 Pusshead doing puss On and thrash Air, like I remember 1268 00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:06,119 once he released like one hundred, like the one hundred 1269 00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:08,679 top hundred records, and it's like it was a mission 1270 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:10,159 for me to get all those Yeah, you know, I 1271 00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:11,480 don't think I ever did, you know what I mean. 1272 00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,480 But you know I was like, oh man, you know 1273 00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:15,920 like all that stuff, Man, I love it. I loved 1274 00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:18,519 what I loved about that Back then it was like 1275 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,039 almost like arcane secret knowledge, like you had to seek 1276 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,800 it out. Yeah, Like it just wasn't you couldn't type, 1277 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,760 you know. And I love the Internet and you know, 1278 00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,280 I love you know, being able to find all the 1279 00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,719 world's knowledge at your fingertips in thirty two seconds, right, 1280 00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:33,719 you know, what I mean. But there was also something 1281 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,880 about being brought into it, and it was like it 1282 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,960 was almost like, you know, like joining a secret society. 1283 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,800 In a way, it was just like you you infiltrate, 1284 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,400 you got in, you know what I mean, and you 1285 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:46,880 you had to be there and you had to be 1286 00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,480 involved and you had to like hunt things down and 1287 00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,440 you know, and I think that made you appreciate things more. 1288 00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,159 And then something that's just out there and easy and 1289 00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:56,480 given to you, you know what I mean, and it 1290 00:57:56,639 --> 00:58:00,440 makes it more disposable, whereas you don't like bled for 1291 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:03,320 this man like literally blendy. I got so many fucking 1292 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,079 scars and whatnot from shows or from getting a fights 1293 00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:08,360 because of being you know, into all this stuff like 1294 00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:10,639 you know what I mean, Like but I love it, 1295 00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:12,519 you know what I mean, like and U And it 1296 00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:16,159 even informs me to this day as a fifty year 1297 00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:17,360 old dude, you know what I mean, like. 1298 00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:21,199 Speaker 5: Wild It's uh, it was tough for me getting into 1299 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,239 stuff because my parents were so strict, so like I 1300 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,320 didn't get to go to the shows that everyone else 1301 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,559 was going to like right away. Yeah, it wasn't until 1302 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,719 I got my license that I actually was able to 1303 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,280 start just going. I was like, yep, I'm going to 1304 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,800 going to Westport to hang with my friends. 1305 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:36,599 Speaker 4: And I would. 1306 00:58:36,639 --> 00:58:38,800 Speaker 5: I went to my first show at Babyhead, you know 1307 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:39,119 what I mean? 1308 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 4: And what was your first show? 1309 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,920 Speaker 5: My first hardcore show was Third Age Raise and into 1310 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,679 another at Babyhead. It was a matinee, you know, And 1311 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,360 I was like, this is freaking amazing, you know what 1312 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,159 I mean? And then uh, I then I would see 1313 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,559 Third Age anytime I could see them, because those guys 1314 00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,679 were great, you know what I mean? And uh so 1315 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:03,000 that I saw you guys at the church downtown one 1316 00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:05,559 time and and uh with gas Face and uh. 1317 00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 4: I forgot who else played that show? 1318 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:07,559 Speaker 3: Uh? 1319 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,119 Speaker 4: I don't remember. Yeah, it's all a blur. 1320 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,199 Speaker 5: It's it's funny like when I was kind of driving here, 1321 00:59:15,239 --> 00:59:17,079 I was like, man, I hope I remember Ship, because 1322 00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,840 like I forget Ship like crazy, you know, but I 1323 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,960 do remember seeing it t I at the at the 1324 00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:26,519 church down downtown and with uh with gas Face and 1325 00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:27,280 a couple of bands. 1326 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,320 Speaker 4: I want to say a mission played that. I don't 1327 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,079 remember which iteration of it. 1328 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 5: It very well could have so, but yeah, I mean 1329 00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:38,559 I would just try to go to shows at from 1330 00:59:38,599 --> 00:59:40,320 that point on, I just try to go to shows 1331 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,239 as much as I could, you know, especially bands that 1332 00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,320 I knew, you know what I mean, And and I 1333 00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:48,519 just was open to checking out all kinds of stuff. 1334 00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:50,559 So I'd start going to like just babyhead shows all 1335 00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:53,000 the time, like, you know, all the bands that were 1336 00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:55,400 playing then, like the The Sick of It All is Orange, 1337 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,440 nine millimeters down set, things like that, you know what 1338 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,559 I mean, anything I could get to there, loop os yep, 1339 01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,840 you know. So I and then I found the straight 1340 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:08,920 edge culture because of Martin and Shane and all those 1341 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,400 guy and Ronnie and all those guys. You know, they 1342 01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:15,079 kind of taught me that, and I really embraced that 1343 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:18,400 because I felt I felt seen and connected, you know 1344 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,360 what I mean, Because like I tried stuff when I 1345 01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,039 was younger, and it just wasn't for me, you know 1346 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,119 what I mean. So I just I was like, oh, 1347 01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:27,440 so this is like a thing like people that don't 1348 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,800 do this stuff and it's cool for them, you know 1349 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,960 what I mean. And so it just really spoke to 1350 01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:36,000 what I wanted to do and kind of gave me 1351 01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:38,800 a little bit more of a confidence boost that I'm 1352 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,280 not such a weird person that I didn't like doing 1353 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,239 that stuff, you know what I mean. 1354 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially back then it was you know, it was 1355 01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:46,079 a stand. Yeah. 1356 01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:51,159 Speaker 3: I was actively actively straight edge from like sixteen to thirty. Yeah, 1357 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,599 and then I was after thirty. I was like, I 1358 01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:54,599 don't think. I just didn't want to fuck my life up, 1359 01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:55,719 you know what I mean? And I was like, I 1360 01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:59,800 can handle it. But but yeah, and I love it, 1361 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,639 have such respect for it, even though I'm not anymore. 1362 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,400 But like I also took a lot of the lessons 1363 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,519 to heart, and you know, and you know, in like 1364 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,440 of like the early days of straightge where it's just 1365 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,960 like not letting it run your life or ruin your 1366 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,519 life and things like that and losing control and uh, 1367 01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:17,760 you know what I mean. And so I still respect 1368 01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,960 it man, and have a lot of friends. And I 1369 01:01:20,039 --> 01:01:21,639 was gonna ask you about Straightedge because I saw that 1370 01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:23,440 you get the the excess. 1371 01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 4: Tattooed on your hand and how long those that's fairly new, right, Yeah. 1372 01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:31,239 I actually got them done a like a month ago. Yeah, healing. 1373 01:01:31,559 --> 01:01:34,039 Speaker 5: They still are healing yet a little there and there. 1374 01:01:34,239 --> 01:01:34,800 Speaker 4: I might have to. 1375 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,440 Speaker 3: Anytime it's solid black and that thick, you know, it's 1376 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,360 going to need a touch up. 1377 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, man, so you committed. 1378 01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:42,840 Speaker 5: I waited until fifty to get him. Actually, like on 1379 01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:45,320 me forever, it's like it's like, why didn't I do 1380 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:45,960 this earlier? 1381 01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:49,440 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool. So like for you, 1382 01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:53,000 what is it? What's straight edge? Like what's what I know? 1383 01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 3: Obviously and for people and maybe even say I think 1384 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,079 most people listening to the show notes straight edges, but 1385 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,760 you know, kind of give your you're you know, tell 1386 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,000 people what it is and like kind of what it 1387 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,039 means to you, because I know it's also a very 1388 01:02:06,119 --> 01:02:06,679 personal thing. 1389 01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:10,079 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's for me. It's drug free, 1390 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:15,039 alcohol free, and and tobacco free. So it's it's those 1391 01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,360 three things. And and I've just there are things that 1392 01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,599 I saw destroy a lot of people's lives in my 1393 01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,679 life and and it actually affected me. And I know 1394 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:29,280 in my in my genes, there is an addictive personality there, 1395 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,480 and I see it in other ways, but I don't 1396 01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:34,159 want it to ever and I never wanted it to 1397 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,079 be something that like overtook me in that way, you 1398 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:41,360 know what I mean. So like it it resonated with 1399 01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:44,519 me big time when I saw people close to me 1400 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:46,199 really have issues, you know what I mean. 1401 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,119 Speaker 4: So I just I just didn't want to deal with that. 1402 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,400 Speaker 5: So I sat hurt other people and hurt myself, you 1403 01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,840 know what I mean as far as like the effects 1404 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,519 of what they were doing, you know what I mean. 1405 01:02:56,679 --> 01:03:00,440 So and it's you know, it's it's unfortunate because some 1406 01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,000 of these people ruined their lives or lost their lives 1407 01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:05,599 because of this, you know, like relatives of mine that 1408 01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:06,440 were close, you know. 1409 01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,119 Speaker 3: So sure, yeah, yeah, there's there's no shortage of that 1410 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,679 of those those sad stories, you know what I mean. 1411 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,639 Speaker 4: Like, and it was like growing up. That's why I 1412 01:03:15,719 --> 01:03:17,679 had such a healthy respect for it too. That growing up. 1413 01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:20,880 Speaker 3: My grandfather was like World War two VET, they saw 1414 01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,960 a lot of stuff, was shot down twice in Pow 1415 01:03:24,119 --> 01:03:26,880 for a while, so he you know, had some issues, 1416 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,880 you know, and he was that's what he died from 1417 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:33,239 his alcoholism and it shut down his organs and stuff 1418 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,920 and whatnot. But so I always had a healthy fear 1419 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,320 of that and uh, you know, respect to try and 1420 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,960 stay away from that. And so I get what you're 1421 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,800 saying there, But yeah, man, I think that was such 1422 01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,760 a punk rock and hardcore and then that was such 1423 01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:51,559 like good influences on kids growing up like in different 1424 01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,119 ways because like punk Cocker just taught you to think 1425 01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:56,079 for yourself and not just go with the mainstream and 1426 01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,760 not go with the not go with the uh you know, 1427 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,800 with with what force fed to you like and you know, 1428 01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:05,159 think for yourself and think critically and be able to 1429 01:04:05,199 --> 01:04:08,159 stand up against adversity and go against you know, you 1430 01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,079 know the norms that because because it's not always right. 1431 01:04:11,199 --> 01:04:13,320 Just because it's the norm doesn't mean it's right. And 1432 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,960 then you know, straight Edge was like, yo, like have 1433 01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:20,159 some discipline and ye you know, be able to handle 1434 01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:21,880 some stuff, you know what I mean. And uh, and 1435 01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:27,719 I was like, you know to this day, like you know, uh, 1436 01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:30,559 it was funny because you know I've had I had 1437 01:04:30,639 --> 01:04:33,320 ray On from youth to today and everything and and 1438 01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:35,880 you know, the whole Youth crew I like fell into that, 1439 01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:38,000 like that's that was the time frame. Yeah then when 1440 01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:39,519 we were kids, you know what I mean that that 1441 01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:41,440 was good cool thing that was right before that was 1442 01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,440 before me. Yeah yeah, but that was right in my ship. 1443 01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:44,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1444 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,599 Speaker 3: But we were also like because I went to a 1445 01:04:48,639 --> 01:04:50,960 lot of Boston shows, like because back then it was 1446 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,800 cool because for people that are from the East Coast, 1447 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,400 Boston and Providence are like forty five minutes apart. Nowadays, 1448 01:04:57,559 --> 01:04:59,199 you get you pick one. You can't have a show 1449 01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:01,559 in Boston and Providence. But back then there was a 1450 01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:05,920 show on Saturday at either Babyhead or or Loopos or 1451 01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:08,360 the Old Living Room or something, and then there was 1452 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,480 one the next day in Boston at the Rat or 1453 01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:13,280 you know, any any host of venues. But it would 1454 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,039 be the same band, maybe different openers, but some of 1455 01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:18,079 the couple of the same bands on the bill, and 1456 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,920 they'd be both shows would be packed. 1457 01:05:20,159 --> 01:05:21,800 Speaker 4: I'd usually try to go to both shows. 1458 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but you know, like I also felt 1459 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,920 what I'll say, it was like, you know, the Youth 1460 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,840 crew was cool, but I also I like fell more 1461 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,440 into like the slap Shot skin like uh, you know, 1462 01:05:30,679 --> 01:05:31,920 uh straight edge. 1463 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,320 Speaker 4: It was a little militating, a little more mass holeish, 1464 01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:36,800 you know what I mean. You know, like I still have. 1465 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,599 Speaker 3: The old slap Shot Witness to Hate tour shirt that 1466 01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,519 just said it was like a goalie on it and 1467 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:45,199 he just said Boston with the mena met and the 1468 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,000 meters read just just total like you know, lunkhead, you know, 1469 01:05:48,159 --> 01:05:50,719 like Neanderthal style, you know what I mean. And I 1470 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,639 love that and that's why I was like, and I 1471 01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:54,880 loved Youth to Today and all that too. But that 1472 01:05:55,079 --> 01:05:58,000 and like when the first Judge seven inch came out, 1473 01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:01,239 I got it in the mail from Schism POSTSL sent 1474 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,280 to that and a bunch of stuff and I put 1475 01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,480 that on man and I was just like blown away, 1476 01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:13,119 like you know, damn, this ship's hard, the hardest ship, 1477 01:06:13,199 --> 01:06:13,320 you know. 1478 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:14,199 Speaker 4: It's so fucking good. 1479 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:16,159 Speaker 3: And I had Mic on too, and I don't know 1480 01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:17,599 if I told him that story or not, but I 1481 01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:19,960 didn't probably didn't want to look like I was fanboying. 1482 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:22,400 Speaker 4: Out, but that that shit affects you and it's still 1483 01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:22,920 to this day. 1484 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,159 Speaker 3: If I hear that song, I get that goosebumps and 1485 01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:28,599 the little weird feeling down it goes down into your 1486 01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,000 from your throat to your stomach, like just the tents 1487 01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:33,760 just want to start swinging and smashing. 1488 01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:35,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, I love it. 1489 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,199 Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of 1490 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,599 those anthems and things like that that that kind of 1491 01:06:42,159 --> 01:06:45,239 kept kept you going, yep, this is this is this 1492 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,320 was for me, you know what I mean, And things 1493 01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,800 that that made you go, like you feel feel part 1494 01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,400 of it, you know what I mean, and and with 1495 01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:56,159 straight Edge too, like yeah, I agree, it's a positive thing, 1496 01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,679 but it did go through phases of people of people like, 1497 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,519 you know, the the whole thing with the earth crisis 1498 01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:04,840 and the gang stuff that they were saying was a 1499 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,760 big thing on on the news and things of that nature, 1500 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,840 and it's like it definitely took a turn where people 1501 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,800 were like, it's a it's an actual gang and this 1502 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,239 and that, and it's like, no, it's not, you know. 1503 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,519 Speaker 3: The worst thing for Straight Edge with Sassy Magazine reporting 1504 01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:22,920 on it, yeah, and then that brought it out the 1505 01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:26,360 mainstream and then like you know, like uh yeah, and 1506 01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,559 then news outlets would glom onto it. And I think 1507 01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:31,159 that was kind of in response to all the stuff 1508 01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:35,119 that was going on in like in uh in uh in, 1509 01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:39,840 Utah in Salt Lake City because they were getting pretty militant, yeah, 1510 01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:44,960 embombing facilities and doing things like because then that got on. 1511 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:49,719 Speaker 5: The that whole vegan stuff and I and I get it, Like, 1512 01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:52,400 I mean, I listened to I listened to Ray talk 1513 01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:55,719 and about how is his thoughts of Straight Edge people 1514 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,119 that are not vegan and whatnot, and it's you know, 1515 01:07:58,320 --> 01:07:59,880 I understand where he's coming from. 1516 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,159 Speaker 4: But I don't, I don't agree with it. 1517 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:01,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1518 01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:02,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's why I was like. 1519 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 3: The Boston was like, well, you know, Slapshot would glorify 1520 01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:10,199 going to to uh uh the steakhouse, you know, Hilltop 1521 01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:12,760 Steakhouse after a show and stuff, and you know, and 1522 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,320 uh but you know, it's different cultures. And then you know, 1523 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,119 I've had Kyle is a friend of mine from Earth Crisis. 1524 01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:19,880 He's been on the show a couple of times, and 1525 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,960 what he was explaining was like he was just reacting 1526 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,039 to the stuff that was going on around him because 1527 01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:26,119 where they lived there was that's where the animal there 1528 01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:27,920 was all kinds of animal testing facilities. 1529 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:28,199 Speaker 2: I know. 1530 01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:31,520 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and so yeah, I'll send you the episode 1531 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,359 like it because you you'll dig it because he gets 1532 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,119 into a lot of stuff. 1533 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:35,760 Speaker 4: The second one is one of my favorite bands. 1534 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, the second one, he was talking more about his 1535 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:38,960 book that he just put out, like they put out 1536 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:43,359 a kid's book that there's like a whole crazy world 1537 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,439 that they've developed, like a whole story that they developed 1538 01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,039 that's going to be a multi book deal and stuff 1539 01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:51,399 like that. But but like on the first one, he 1540 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,439 talks about like you know, he's like everyone gave us 1541 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,640 all this hardline stuff. But He's like, man, we were 1542 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,239 just reacting to what was going on around us locally, 1543 01:08:58,319 --> 01:08:59,880 you know what I mean, And we were in opposition 1544 01:09:00,039 --> 01:09:01,880 to it, like because it wasn't good and it wasn't cool. 1545 01:09:02,279 --> 01:09:05,960 But I do you know, I remember those days, man 1546 01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:08,359 like kids did take things far. And it wasn't the bands. 1547 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,680 It was just like people that got into it or 1548 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,960 you know whatever, and it's just you know wild. 1549 01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,119 Speaker 5: It's like any culture though, like some people are going 1550 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:16,680 to just take things and go a little too far 1551 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,359 with it, you know what I mean, Like they're just 1552 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,079 going to take a positive thing and make it negative 1553 01:09:21,239 --> 01:09:23,000 by just being an asshole. 1554 01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:25,239 Speaker 4: You know, it's like anything, you know what I mean. 1555 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,119 Speaker 5: So it's just to me, it was always a positive 1556 01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,640 thing and it was always something that like meant a 1557 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,399 lot to me because it was me. It wasn't I 1558 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,640 wasn't straight edge. Straight edge was me, you know what 1559 01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,520 I mean. It's basically how I felt about it, you 1560 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,319 know what I mean. It's just I just happened to 1561 01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,279 find a culture that fit exactly what how I felt 1562 01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:44,399 about things, you know what I mean. 1563 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And even if it even if it didn't 1564 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,600 fit how you felt about everything, the core tenants of it. 1565 01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean? Absolutely? 1566 01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's how it is with a lot of stuff, 1567 01:09:56,119 --> 01:09:58,199 Like there's so much punking like hardcore stuff that I 1568 01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,199 listened to that I don't fully agree with, you know, 1569 01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:05,000 all the way. Absolutely I love the music or I 1570 01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:07,439 love like half of their words, half the words, you 1571 01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:08,239 know what I mean, or whatever. 1572 01:10:08,319 --> 01:10:10,079 Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, I love Shelter. I'm not. 1573 01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 5: I'm not, uh, you know, Harry Christian not Harry Christna, 1574 01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,439 you know what I mean. It's like Shelter is one 1575 01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,680 of my favorites too, you know what I mean. 1576 01:10:16,039 --> 01:10:19,840 Speaker 4: So it's funny because Chromags are Christian, but yeah, you 1577 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:20,479 would never know it. 1578 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:24,159 Speaker 3: That's a whole different type of of of world view 1579 01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:26,840 on Harry Christian versus the like if you listen to 1580 01:10:27,039 --> 01:10:30,159 Age of Chorrel and and and Shelters records, very different 1581 01:10:30,359 --> 01:10:34,600 situation and you know, Chromags like that that record was 1582 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,560 a defining record for me. Like I'm like, all right, 1583 01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,479 that's Chromag's Age of Quarrel Blitz voice of the Generation 1584 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,479 and uh and uh Crosier to conform in the animosity 1585 01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,039 those street things you know and negative approach seven in 1586 01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,720 those things were like change my course of my life forever, 1587 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,359 you know what I mean. And I still love all 1588 01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:53,039 those records, and those are all records you could play 1589 01:10:53,079 --> 01:10:58,239 the whole way through and yeah, but whatever, I get 1590 01:10:58,279 --> 01:10:59,920 excited when I talk about these things stuff. 1591 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:00,920 Speaker 4: No, No, that's a guy. 1592 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:01,119 Speaker 3: You know. 1593 01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:03,159 Speaker 5: That's all good, you know what I mean. But one 1594 01:11:03,159 --> 01:11:05,239 of one of my favorites all of all time. That 1595 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,720 that gets me going all the time, as fire, a storm, 1596 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,159 earth crisis, you know. Yeah, it's just it hits you know, yeah, 1597 01:11:11,359 --> 01:11:14,079 it hits me right in that spot. I remember where 1598 01:11:14,119 --> 01:11:15,880 I was the first time I heard it. I remember 1599 01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,720 the the path I'd be taking driving listening to it constantly. 1600 01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:22,760 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like it just it just 1601 01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:24,960 brings me back, you know what I mean. 1602 01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:29,399 Speaker 3: Now, Because yeah, that that was I was already not 1603 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,359 like I was a little when I say a little older, 1604 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,159 I was like still young. But that was like the 1605 01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:37,840 generation like the next generation after me, and I was 1606 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,479 always more. I came in when it was still more 1607 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,680 fast and chaotic, and then some breakdowns and stuff like the. 1608 01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:45,960 Speaker 5: First of you and you were in the like the 1609 01:11:46,039 --> 01:11:47,720 youth Crew era that was like right in You're a 1610 01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,359 sweet spot right yeah yeah, yeah. 1611 01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:53,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, and and so like that stuff was like I 1612 01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,399 liked it, but it didn't hit me as hard because 1613 01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,920 it was like more like you know, like chuggy and 1614 01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:01,039 a lot of like metal, and it took me a while, 1615 01:12:01,119 --> 01:12:03,239 like and I appreciate it now way more than I 1616 01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:03,800 did back then. 1617 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,119 Speaker 4: But did you go to the baby Head show that 1618 01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:08,079 We're All the Chaos? 1619 01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:08,359 Speaker 3: And so? 1620 01:12:10,319 --> 01:12:10,720 Speaker 2: Was that? Now? 1621 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,800 Speaker 4: Was that the Corinne show? Did the Karen play that one? Also? 1622 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,039 Speaker 5: I think they might have because I think Karen was 1623 01:12:16,079 --> 01:12:19,119 on that one too, But I do remember that, and 1624 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:25,359 I remember the whole situation. Yes, I remember it all cool. 1625 01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:26,800 Speaker 4: Yeah that that was a good That's what I was. 1626 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,720 That's a pretty monumental show. There's there's a lot. Yeah, yeah, 1627 01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:30,399 there was a show. 1628 01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:36,000 Speaker 3: So so you know, you know, the uh Earth Crisis 1629 01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,000 was a you know, a straight edge band but also 1630 01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,279 you know, adamant vegan and pretty hardline band and very 1631 01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:45,520 anti very pro animal rights and anti vivisection and things 1632 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,239 like that. And someone threw a rat on the dead 1633 01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:51,039 rat on the stage and it turned into a fucking 1634 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:53,279 a wild melee and. 1635 01:12:53,319 --> 01:12:54,960 Speaker 4: It was it was it was insane. It was an 1636 01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,560 insane show. 1637 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,319 Speaker 5: It but most of for the most part, people inside 1638 01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:03,479 didn't really know what was going on. Yeah yeah, like, yes, 1639 01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,399 they were thrown on stage, but not a ton of 1640 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,399 people knew what it was. As a matter of fact, 1641 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,640 I was in the front and didn't realize until after 1642 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:11,800 the fact what was going on. 1643 01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,920 Speaker 3: You knoweah, yeah then it then it got a little 1644 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,720 wild out back and yeah whatever. So it's just a funny, 1645 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,920 funny situation, but you know, not funny, but funny funny 1646 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:24,319 now funny with time, interesting interesting situation. Yeah, but uh 1647 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,520 yeah I missed that room. Baby had such a good room. 1648 01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,239 The rat in Boston was such a no pun intending. 1649 01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:33,159 Speaker 5: The other thing I didn't like about the babyhead was 1650 01:13:33,159 --> 01:13:34,920 that poll right in the middle of the freaking stage. 1651 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that thing sucked and Krin. 1652 01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, Jesse came on on the podcast and Jesse Jess 1653 01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:41,840 is a good dude, man, and he's. 1654 01:13:42,119 --> 01:13:43,720 Speaker 4: Slaying it with kill Switch engage. 1655 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,600 Speaker 3: Man, Like what a so so stoked for him, man, 1656 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,520 because that dude could have had another career in acting, 1657 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,800 you know what I mean, Like as you did that 1658 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,199 Farley Brothers Outside Providence movie, and he chose metal. 1659 01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:54,920 Speaker 4: Man, he chose his music. 1660 01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:58,159 Speaker 5: He's just a very talented dude with a positive attitude 1661 01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:00,199 that I've always been a you know, we've been been 1662 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:02,439 friends for a long time. So yeah, yeah, my my 1663 01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:06,119 one of my first bands that played Providence area, Sleeping 1664 01:14:06,199 --> 01:14:08,880 Giant and Container we played with Korean back in the day, 1665 01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,680 and I remember me and him just standing side stage 1666 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,239 at the time just watching, like the member of the 1667 01:14:14,279 --> 01:14:16,920 band Crisis from New York. We're watching them and just 1668 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,279 being like, oh, you know what I mean, Like, you know, 1669 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,439 he's just a good, down to earth dude, you know what. 1670 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,119 Speaker 3: And he's real, He's really one, and he's still like 1671 01:14:24,279 --> 01:14:27,880 you know, he's still like you know, loves and respects 1672 01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:29,960 the music and the scene. And even though he's in 1673 01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:31,720 like one of the biggest metal bands in the world, 1674 01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,159 he's still like a hardcore. 1675 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,439 Speaker 5: Kip and and he's still he's still genuine and just 1676 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,119 down to earth. 1677 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:37,880 Speaker 3: It didn't go to his head like like it would 1678 01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,560 for a lot of people. So I have a lot 1679 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:42,960 of respect for that me too. Loved that kid, yeah man, 1680 01:14:43,119 --> 01:14:44,600 and uh yeah, we had we had. 1681 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,560 Speaker 4: Good scenes and it was cool. 1682 01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,159 Speaker 3: It was cool having a Boston and a Providence scene 1683 01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:50,239 and you know there was some cross pollination, but there 1684 01:14:50,359 --> 01:14:53,199 was like kids in Providence, so that you know, what 1685 01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:55,640 was always weird is that Newport had its own scene 1686 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:57,560 on top of that, and then you go to a 1687 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,680 show with the Blue Pelicans see verbal assault or I mean, 1688 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,560 they'd be all the fuckers that you'd never they wouldn't 1689 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,199 even go to a Providence I'm like, dude, it's twenty 1690 01:15:03,239 --> 01:15:05,359 minutes away. I know they would just not leave. But 1691 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,880 the same happens in Brockton in Boston. This kids, you 1692 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,960 if you go to a Brockton show, This dude, you'll 1693 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,640 see at a Broxton show that you will not see 1694 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,079 at a Boston show. And I'm like, it's only fifteen 1695 01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:15,239 minutes away, Like why, Like. 1696 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:17,880 Speaker 4: I was driving all over. 1697 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,399 Speaker 5: The place to go once once I could get get 1698 01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:21,840 my license, I was all over the place. 1699 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,520 Speaker 4: I didn't give a shit. 1700 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,159 Speaker 5: I drive to Northampton, like I was at the first 1701 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,279 Whoop tour in Northampton when. 1702 01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:28,800 Speaker 4: I was young. I was like, I'm going to that, 1703 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,600 you know what I mean? It was great, you know, 1704 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,880 I went to that. I went to the first X Games. 1705 01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,039 I was there. 1706 01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,239 Speaker 5: I was there when Tony Hawk jumped into the water. 1707 01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:38,159 I was I was right there when he did it. 1708 01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:40,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. And then I was at the 1709 01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:42,359 first what was that a Lallapalooza. 1710 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:44,840 Speaker 4: I didn't go to the first one of those, Yeah, 1711 01:15:45,319 --> 01:15:45,840 I remember. 1712 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:49,520 Speaker 3: I think it was me and Jay and Jeremy Madaris. 1713 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,119 I just remember like freaking out. We were all freaking 1714 01:15:52,119 --> 01:15:54,720 out about the traffic and all crazy, like just being 1715 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:55,239 at a dead. 1716 01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:57,239 Speaker 5: Stop because that was that was a great woods right. 1717 01:15:57,279 --> 01:15:59,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, just being a dead stop traffic. That was 1718 01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:01,880 the one where everybody on the highway just out of 1719 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,119 their cars. Oh God, that crazy, you know what I mean. 1720 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,479 Speaker 5: Actually, the lallpaloser I went to at Quantsett State Airport 1721 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,520 was the same situation. Like I went to that one 1722 01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,600 that was like the BC Boys and like, uh, smashing 1723 01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:16,439 pumpkins and stuff. 1724 01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:19,479 Speaker 4: But it was like I saw smashing pumpkins at Babyhead, 1725 01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,000 did you really? Yeah? Wow, that's that's cool. 1726 01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:23,840 Speaker 3: Me and me and Ryan used to just go there 1727 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,840 like every night, like you go do stuff like, you know, 1728 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,000 especially when I was around and we saw smashing pumpkins 1729 01:16:30,039 --> 01:16:31,399 there Cypress. 1730 01:16:31,079 --> 01:16:33,239 Speaker 4: Hill there, nice. I uh, I seen quite. 1731 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,039 Speaker 5: I saw Marilyn Manson there, which is big, you know. 1732 01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:39,520 I when I worked at uh SMU doing radio for 1733 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,560 a while, and uh, they used to give tickets away 1734 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,680 all the time, and I'd always just put my name 1735 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,000 on that list, you know what I mean. So like 1736 01:16:46,079 --> 01:16:47,960 every show I'd want to go to, I'd just be like, Oh, 1737 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,840 it's a babyhead cool, I'm going to that, you know 1738 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:50,199 what I mean. 1739 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cool man. 1740 01:16:52,279 --> 01:16:55,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of a lot of between there 1741 01:16:55,279 --> 01:16:57,560 the living room and you know, in Boston there's so 1742 01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,520 many acts that like, you know, I didn't even know 1743 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,279 Smashing Pumkins. 1744 01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,000 Speaker 4: I wasn't and I regret. I remember to this day. 1745 01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:07,039 Speaker 3: I had a friend, Pat Burke, that was we both 1746 01:17:07,079 --> 01:17:09,960 collected records and we were super hardcore kids. Me and 1747 01:17:10,079 --> 01:17:12,159 him took the bus to New York when we were 1748 01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,720 sixteen or fifteen and to go see Share Terror and 1749 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,279 the Nihilistics. Nice, but we did the whole I'm sleeping 1750 01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:20,600 at Pat's house, He's Yeah, we took a bus to 1751 01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,760 New York City to go see the show at CBGB's 1752 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,039 and then like slept in the Port Authority that night 1753 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,039 to wait until the next morning to catch the first 1754 01:17:28,079 --> 01:17:28,560 bus back. 1755 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:29,279 Speaker 4: You know whatever. 1756 01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:34,279 Speaker 3: But I remember he started collecting early grunge stuff, and 1757 01:17:34,359 --> 01:17:35,960 he was like, you should join this thing. Sub Pop 1758 01:17:36,039 --> 01:17:37,880 has this there's a label called Subpop and they have 1759 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:39,640 this thing called the Singles Club. He goes, even if 1760 01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,199 you know not into it, these records are going to 1761 01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:43,439 be worth money. So and I was like, ah, no, 1762 01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:44,720 I don't care, dude, I don't like it, you know 1763 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:47,159 what I mean, some of them are and you know 1764 01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:49,680 he's got all those I haven't talked to him and yet, 1765 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,439 but like he you know, he had all those original 1766 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,039 sub pop singles like and the rear. 1767 01:17:55,359 --> 01:17:57,840 Speaker 5: Color like Bleach was on on sub Pop, right yeah, 1768 01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,359 I think so yeah yeah, And like. 1769 01:17:59,319 --> 01:18:01,039 Speaker 3: I said, I don't I still don't know much about 1770 01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:02,640 that whole genre, you know what I mean. But it's like, 1771 01:18:03,159 --> 01:18:05,199 you know, I just remember like we were laughing at 1772 01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:08,239 Smashing Pumpkin because Billy Corbyn's voice, like we weren't ready. 1773 01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:12,359 Speaker 5: For well I I dunk Smash from Pumpkins because they 1774 01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:14,720 were in skate videos like I'd see, like see I 1775 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:15,279 was out. 1776 01:18:15,159 --> 01:18:17,920 Speaker 4: Of skating by that point. I would My skate videos 1777 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,239 were like we're like, uh skate visions and like you 1778 01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:21,479 know what. 1779 01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,560 Speaker 5: I mean, and like you know, like the early like 1780 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,239 but like Smashing Pumpkins. I'm trying to think what video 1781 01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:29,079 they were on, but I know, like especially the first 1782 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:33,520 full length Gish, like they had a couple of songs 1783 01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,119 on one of the skate videos I used to watch 1784 01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:37,520 all the time, you know. You know, I don't remember 1785 01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,720 which one. It was, maybe in h Street one or something, 1786 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:43,880 you know, uh public domain or something. It wasn't public domain, 1787 01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:46,399 I don't know, but anyway, they were on there, you know. 1788 01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:49,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if there's like an archive, it's gonna 1789 01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:50,920 be like online, like a place to go see all 1790 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:51,920 those old skate videos. 1791 01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:53,880 Speaker 4: Again, Well, you can pull them up on YouTube, a 1792 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:54,800 lot of them, you know what I mean. 1793 01:18:55,159 --> 01:18:57,880 Speaker 5: I actually have some of the vhs still, and I 1794 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,479 got some stuff on DVD, you know, like recently I 1795 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,239 just got the Powell Set on on DVD. 1796 01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. 1797 01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:07,479 Speaker 1: You know. 1798 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,479 Speaker 4: I was showing them to my wife and I was like, 1799 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,239 check this out. Did you go to yesteryear when the 1800 01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:13,279 Bonesburg game? Yeah? Well no, I didn't go to that. 1801 01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,920 Speaker 5: Now, no, I wish I had friends that were like 1802 01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:18,199 in the show, you know what I mean, Like, uh, 1803 01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,680 this kid Sam Tyler from my town was big skater 1804 01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:22,239 at the time. 1805 01:19:22,279 --> 01:19:22,720 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 1806 01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:26,000 Speaker 5: And like him and another kid I went to high 1807 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,359 school with, they were like in the standard times, you 1808 01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:28,760 know what I mean. 1809 01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,960 Speaker 4: So yeah, I know, I know it was a good time. 1810 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,319 It was good. That was all that scene. Like I wasn't. 1811 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:41,239 Speaker 3: I was like more of like a Alva Dogtown Solac dude, 1812 01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:43,800 like the punk like the grimy punk rock. 1813 01:19:44,039 --> 01:19:46,000 Speaker 4: The earlier surf skate more. 1814 01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, just the more grimy dudes like not not with 1815 01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:53,039 like that wing feathered here, Yeah, the punk ny Hawk style. Yeah, yeah, 1816 01:19:53,079 --> 01:19:56,119 it's more the wild yeah, like like Bill Bill Danforth 1817 01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:58,239 style or you know, like you know, skull skates and 1818 01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:02,479 all that stuff. But but yeah, man Jay Adams and 1819 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:04,960 all that stuff, you know, the wild skate. 1820 01:20:05,079 --> 01:20:07,640 Speaker 5: Like I said, though, skating swith got me into into 1821 01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,239 hardcore and punk rock. 1822 01:20:09,279 --> 01:20:11,439 Speaker 4: You know, like even when I would do like and Drained. 1823 01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:12,880 Speaker 5: When I was playing with Drained, I would just go 1824 01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,880 like we'd roll into a town, like you know, up 1825 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,319 in uh Albany or something like that, I'd be like 1826 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,279 we'd load in, I'd go skate, you know, you know, 1827 01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,239 Like we played a bunch of skate parks. That was 1828 01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,600 awesome because I just bang around in the park for 1829 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,880 a little while before we set up. 1830 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,399 Speaker 3: And you know, so what what what made you go 1831 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,720 from like being a kid that got into hardcore to 1832 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,920 like actually wanting to make it and go with like, 1833 01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:40,119 you know, make music and uh, you know, start a 1834 01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:41,039 band and stuff like that. 1835 01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,760 Speaker 5: I started wanting to be in a band back when 1836 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,199 I was young and saw Motley Crew for the first time. 1837 01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:47,479 Speaker 4: I was like, I want to be that guy. 1838 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,079 Speaker 5: I want to be a singer, you know, so like 1839 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:52,880 those people seem larger than life to me, and I 1840 01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,079 always wanted to do that. But then, uh, later on, 1841 01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,439 it was just I didn't know how to go about that. 1842 01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,600 I did start playing guitar, and so I would because 1843 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,800 I couldn't find a band because I was I was young. 1844 01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,560 So so I ended up getting a guitar. So I 1845 01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:12,760 played guitar for a while. And then uh, I had 1846 01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:15,560 like little little bands with friends and we'd be like, 1847 01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,720 all right, you're you're gonna sing. I'm like, I'm bet 1848 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,279 a guitar. You you play guitar. He's like, no, you 1849 01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:23,119 you're a better singer, so you sing. So it was 1850 01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:24,640 like so it got to a point where like they 1851 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,439 had two guitar players and they were like you're gonna 1852 01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:26,800 be the singer. 1853 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:28,560 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, whatever, So I did. 1854 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,239 Speaker 5: I sang for like a little little tribute band in 1855 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,760 a basement that never went anywhere, and then uh then 1856 01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,800 I started no it is it is, and it got 1857 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,279 me at least singing in front of them, you know 1858 01:21:41,359 --> 01:21:44,239 what I mean, So like it kind of broke the 1859 01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:46,359 ice of me not being afraid to sing in front 1860 01:21:46,359 --> 01:21:49,279 of people, you know. So then uh, I was hanging 1861 01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:52,119 out with my friends in Westport that had a had 1862 01:21:52,199 --> 01:21:55,279 like a alternative rock band for a while, and I'd 1863 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,239 pop on stage when when their singer wasn't doing stuff 1864 01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:00,479 and I'd do a song with them, like Pearl Jam 1865 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,079 cover or something, you know. And then uh, then I 1866 01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:07,399 did like a funk metal band, like funk rock metal band, 1867 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:09,920 kind of like in the Chili Pepper Rain. And then 1868 01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:12,560 eventually I got to Providence. I was playing in a 1869 01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:15,800 metal band, like a metal industrial band called Sleeping Giant 1870 01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,239 when Mark Lopes left that band, and then uh so 1871 01:22:20,359 --> 01:22:22,239 I was singing with them, and then we changed our 1872 01:22:22,319 --> 01:22:26,279 name to uh Container and uh actually the bass player 1873 01:22:26,359 --> 01:22:29,319 from that band is used to play with Tommy Lee. 1874 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:30,680 Speaker 4: He was playing with Leeda. 1875 01:22:30,520 --> 01:22:35,319 Speaker 5: Ford Uh, he toured with Disturbed, he toured with uh 1876 01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,319 static X my friend Marty and he's now in the 1877 01:22:38,399 --> 01:22:42,199 band Daughtry. You know that guy from American Idol. Yeah, 1878 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,800 well anyway, he's he's pretty well known, you know what 1879 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,479 I mean. He tours with him now, you know. So yeah, 1880 01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,800 so then, uh, then I ended up meeting Roger and uh, 1881 01:22:52,359 --> 01:22:55,000 he was like, I'm looking for a singer. I hooked 1882 01:22:55,039 --> 01:22:57,239 up with him because I honestly, I always wanted to 1883 01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,680 do hardcore once I started getting into hardcore, but I 1884 01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,680 was I didn't have any friends that wanted to play that. 1885 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,600 So then when the opportunity came to join Drained, I 1886 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,000 did that and I was with them for a while. 1887 01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:14,439 I joined them in ninety eight and then we put 1888 01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:16,520 out a record, like immediately we put out a full 1889 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:20,159 length which is was there second full length I think? 1890 01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,520 And then uh so they had two singers on different 1891 01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,760 records before me and then and then me on the 1892 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,920 last record that we put out. So we toured for 1893 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:32,279 that record, just down up and down the East coast, 1894 01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:37,640 and then came back, did some more our recording, did 1895 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:41,520 another tour down the East coast, up and back, and 1896 01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:45,359 then a few a couple of years later, like four 1897 01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:46,159 years later. 1898 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,119 Speaker 4: It kind of we were just losing members left and right, 1899 01:23:49,159 --> 01:23:49,600 you know what I mean. 1900 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,720 Speaker 5: And so we're like, you know what, We're just gonna 1901 01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,600 scrap that, and we started a band call Closer than Ken, 1902 01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:58,239 and we did that and uh, we put out an EP, 1903 01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:01,760 went down the East Coast for two weeks, came back. 1904 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,920 We we all butted heads on that tour, and I 1905 01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,920 left and they got another guy and they went on 1906 01:24:09,039 --> 01:24:11,840 a little bit more of a run for like one 1907 01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:17,039 more record, and then the singer for that band was leaving. 1908 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,479 So Roger's like, I got a slot playing at the 1909 01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,439 WOLP tour in Brockton. You want to play with Drained? 1910 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:24,279 Speaker 4: I'm like sure. 1911 01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:26,840 Speaker 5: So then we got Drained back together, you know what 1912 01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:28,920 I mean. So that's how that's been going. And that 1913 01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:34,039 was shoot, like I want to say, twenty years ago, 1914 01:24:34,279 --> 01:24:36,880 twenty two years ago when we got back together. 1915 01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:40,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, It's it's wild, like how much like 1916 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,159 I was. I was just having this conversation with someone 1917 01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:46,319 not too long ago, like, oh maybe it was you. 1918 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,840 I think it was probably yeah, Like you know, like 1919 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:55,279 how like hardcore has forty something years of history now, yeah, 1920 01:24:55,279 --> 01:24:58,039 you know, so there's like it's in classic rock domain, 1921 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,159 you know, like you know, in the early days of it, 1922 01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:02,840 you know, I mean, it's like wild like because if 1923 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:07,680 you think about like right, so like I started listening 1924 01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:09,920 to hardcore in eighty six and it or eighty five, 1925 01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:15,640 I mean, and because yeah, well actually probably eighty four 1926 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,159 is when I first started listening. The first show I 1927 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:21,399 went to was eighty five, yep, and it was you know, 1928 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:27,640 it's been around for a few years before that, but 1929 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:29,760 all I had to do was ketch up on a 1930 01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,920 couple of years. Yeah, and I was pissed that I 1931 01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,279 missed those. Yeah, but imagine being a kid getting into 1932 01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:36,760 it now and you've got forty something years to catch up. 1933 01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:38,319 And that's why I was like, you know, it's like weird, 1934 01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:41,359 what because people are like, well, disconnect, Like these young 1935 01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,600 kids don't respect or go to the older stuff, and 1936 01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,680 I'm like, they can't. They can't track everything, so they're 1937 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,520 going to be more keeping track of like stuff that 1938 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,399 their friends are involved, right, you know what I mean, 1939 01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,279 Like and that are kids of their age, you know 1940 01:25:54,319 --> 01:25:54,760 what I mean. 1941 01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,720 Speaker 5: And that's why when I when bands that I never 1942 01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:01,119 got to see come around, I try to go. Yeah, absolutely, 1943 01:26:01,359 --> 01:26:03,439 you know, like when Youth to Today came around recently, 1944 01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,159 like I never got to see them, you know what 1945 01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:07,000 I mean. I saw Shelter a bunch of times when 1946 01:26:07,119 --> 01:26:09,359 Shelter was going, but I never got to see Youth 1947 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,079 to Today. I got to see better than a thousand. 1948 01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:12,680 I didn't get to see Youth It today. I wanted 1949 01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:13,439 to see Youth to Today. 1950 01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 1951 01:26:14,119 --> 01:26:15,960 Speaker 5: So I finally got to go see him recently and 1952 01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:17,600 it was it was amazing, you know what I mean. 1953 01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,159 I mean, granted, it's not going to have that, you know, 1954 01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:23,039 that gravitas that it did then, but you know, it's 1955 01:26:23,079 --> 01:26:25,439 still was amazing to see it. You know, like anytime 1956 01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,720 I see an older band that I know, you know, 1957 01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,760 paved the way for other bands that I love and 1958 01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:32,159 that I love also, you know. 1959 01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:33,760 Speaker 3: What I mean, I try to make an effort to go, 1960 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:37,119 you know what I mean. So one of my all 1961 01:26:37,239 --> 01:26:42,319 time favorite shows was that Loopos. It was Crippled Youth, 1962 01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:45,119 which was Bold before they were Bold Youth to Today, 1963 01:26:45,159 --> 01:26:49,640 an agnostic front Wow eighty seven yeah or no, that 1964 01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:53,680 was either eighty seven or eighty eight, and literally almost 1965 01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,159 died at the show. You know what I mean because 1966 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,520 that's when like pigpiling was for real, like so many 1967 01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,199 kids stage diving at once. It. Yeah, it was like 1968 01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:03,880 the first beginning of the song and like like I 1969 01:27:04,039 --> 01:27:05,800 was just in the wrong place, like was at the 1970 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,399 bottom of the pig pile, and I was like, I 1971 01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:08,039 can't breathe. 1972 01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,479 Speaker 4: This is how I die. Cool, It's just a cool 1973 01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,319 way to die, right, Like I was like fuck it. 1974 01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,119 Speaker 5: But but yeah, I know it still gets hectic like 1975 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:18,039 that with some of the shows. Like I went to 1976 01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:20,439 Have Heart like a year or two ago. Then when 1977 01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,000 they played at the road Run or in Boston, and 1978 01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:27,039 like literally the whole stage was was people and people 1979 01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,079 diving on the people. 1980 01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,880 Speaker 4: On stage, Like I'm like, holy shit, you know, it 1981 01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:33,680 was insanity. 1982 01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:38,199 Speaker 3: It was great, you know, Yeah, I love that. There's 1983 01:27:38,279 --> 01:27:40,840 nothing better than that, like old shows. And you know, 1984 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:45,359 because it was dangerous, you had very much potential to 1985 01:27:45,399 --> 01:27:48,520 get hurt. But no one's doing it malicious. 1986 01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:50,439 Speaker 5: No, no, nobody's nobody's trying to hurt anyone, you know. 1987 01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:54,600 Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, all this crowd killing, come on, 1988 01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,840 it's wild enough if everyone's being wild, you know, it's 1989 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:03,279 like when you don't need to like intend to like like, come, 1990 01:28:03,359 --> 01:28:05,079 crowd kill me, motherfucker, Like, well we'll go. 1991 01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:07,880 Speaker 5: You know. Well, like people are on the side of 1992 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,680 the pit, it's because they want to still be around it. 1993 01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,199 They don't necessarily need like if someone comes by, that's fine, Like, 1994 01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:17,039 but when you're literally swinging just to hit the people. 1995 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,119 Speaker 4: On the outside, it's like, why why are you doing that? 1996 01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:21,600 Speaker 5: You know, you know, if you're going to jump up 1997 01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,000 towards them with your ass or something like, I get that, 1998 01:28:24,199 --> 01:28:25,960 I do that, you know what I mean. But I'm 1999 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,600 not trying to intentionally hurt someone. I'm just trying to 2000 01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:30,800 like bounce off the crowd back into the pit, you know. 2001 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, we could do a whole episode on pit etiquette. 2002 01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:38,880 Speaker 5: Yeah right, right, But if you talk to other people, 2003 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,880 they'd be like, yeah, crowd killing, it's great, let's do it, 2004 01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:42,439 you know what I mean, Like it all depends on 2005 01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:42,920 who it is. 2006 01:28:43,159 --> 01:28:46,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, of course, so obviously there's people doing it. 2007 01:28:46,319 --> 01:28:49,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, but yeah, man, I used to love when 2008 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,319 shows because like when I first started going, people would 2009 01:28:52,319 --> 01:28:55,680 go nuts and bananas like during the fast parts. 2010 01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,560 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like no one does that anymore. 2011 01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,920 Everyone waits for the breakdown. Everyone's waiting the two step 2012 01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:00,399 and then the. 2013 01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:02,640 Speaker 3: Way you can't even it's not even on the first breakdown. 2014 01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,920 You have to wait down to the breakdown of the breakdown, 2015 01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,000 it goes even more halftime like and then then then 2016 01:29:08,039 --> 01:29:09,960 everyone comes out like and I get it, you know 2017 01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,760 what I mean. That stuff's hard to but like nothing 2018 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,479 beats to chaos of like when it's just wild like fast, 2019 01:29:16,039 --> 01:29:18,520 like my first show. And I've said it on on 2020 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,359 this show before, but it was like it was Jerry's 2021 01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:22,920 kids in Suicidal Tendencies, but when Suicidal only had the 2022 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,760 first record out, Yeah, and it was fucking pandemonium. And 2023 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,560 it was like funny because you talk about your parents 2024 01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,000 have been strict, so you missed all this stuff. I 2025 01:29:30,039 --> 01:29:32,600 don't know what the hell was wrong with Ryan's parents 2026 01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,800 and my father and I got to and I love 2027 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,720 them and I respect them and thank you so much 2028 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:37,199 Dad for this. 2029 01:29:37,359 --> 01:29:39,960 Speaker 4: Like they would bring us to show it, like they 2030 01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:41,199 brought us to the old. 2031 01:29:41,079 --> 01:29:44,640 Speaker 3: Living room, Yeah, the rash bowl. Yeah, Ryan's parents dumped 2032 01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:50,159 us off. We were thirteen. Yeah, it was thirteen. I 2033 01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:52,079 don't know if I was, no, it was I was thirteen. 2034 01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:54,239 It was definitely. It was the summer between eighth grade 2035 01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:56,439 and freshman year of high school, dropped us off to 2036 01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,960 go see suicidal and Jerry's kids. My father came late 2037 01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:02,920 that night to pick us up. Yeah, you like right 2038 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,159 now that people would call child services if you saw 2039 01:30:05,159 --> 01:30:07,279 a couple of thirteen year olds. It was me Ryan 2040 01:30:07,359 --> 01:30:10,239 and this kid, Kevin DuPont, and you know what I mean. 2041 01:30:10,319 --> 01:30:12,920 It was like just you know, and that was always 2042 01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,840 the thing, like one of them would drop us off 2043 01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:17,039 and one would pick us up. Till we got licenses, yeah, 2044 01:30:17,079 --> 01:30:18,600 you know, you know, we're able to get the things. 2045 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:20,399 I had friends that were a little older and stuff, 2046 01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:23,159 but when we didn't know anything, And it's like, I 2047 01:30:23,239 --> 01:30:25,680 can't imagine doing that now, like you just dropping your 2048 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,199 kid off, like like not even in high school eighth grade. 2049 01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,880 Speaker 4: You know, my seventeen year old show these people just 2050 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:31,439 smashing you. 2051 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,720 Speaker 5: My seventeen year old goes to shows on her own 2052 01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,640 now and it's weird, Like I'm like, I don't know, 2053 01:30:36,079 --> 01:30:39,159 like I track her on her on her phone, like 2054 01:30:39,159 --> 01:30:41,359 all right, you're in the garage now, I'm like I 2055 01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,960 call her. You better get head home, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2056 01:30:44,039 --> 01:30:45,800 you know, yeah. 2057 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,920 Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta be a little strict as a 2058 01:30:48,199 --> 01:30:49,880 as a dad, but you also gotta let them spread 2059 01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:50,560 their wings a little. 2060 01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:50,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 2061 01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:54,199 Speaker 5: I mean there's certain things that it's it's what kind 2062 01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:56,039 of show is hard like Punction No no, no, no 2063 01:30:56,199 --> 01:30:58,399 no no. I mean she'll go to she likes going 2064 01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,680 to some heavy stuff, but it's probably go to your show, right, Yeah. Yeah, 2065 01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:03,319 she'll go to like my shows and stuff, but like 2066 01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,520 she actually likes some metal stuff, you know, but she's 2067 01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,359 not really into like the punkin hardcore stuff. 2068 01:31:08,399 --> 01:31:11,840 Speaker 4: Really. She'll go, but she's not like, you know, it's 2069 01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,560 not her thing. You know, what kind of shows the 2070 01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,760 kids going through that's that's well she goes to. 2071 01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:18,880 Speaker 5: Surprisingly she goes to like country shows. She goes to 2072 01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,479 like pop shows, you know, Like she'll go to like 2073 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,279 the TD Garden or Roadrunner or something like that to 2074 01:31:24,319 --> 01:31:26,880 go see like you know, pop up country shows and stuff, 2075 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,279 and it's the country stuff. 2076 01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:30,760 Speaker 4: Forget it. Like I just can't get into that. 2077 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:31,039 Speaker 3: You know. 2078 01:31:31,359 --> 01:31:33,399 Speaker 5: My wife loves it, and I'll go to shows with her, 2079 01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,319 and and you know, because she goes to everything, I 2080 01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:38,279 want her to go with me too, you know. And 2081 01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:41,680 sometimes she loves it. Sometimes she is just going because 2082 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,880 I want to go. So you know, she does like hardcore. 2083 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,119 She likes punk rock stuff, but not everything, you know. Sure, 2084 01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:50,760 But but I but I'll go to country shows with 2085 01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,800 her because you know that's what she likes, you know, 2086 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,680 you know, so I just try to you know. 2087 01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:01,119 Speaker 4: Smile and uh, you know, make believe. You know, sometimes though, 2088 01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:03,640 you get surprised. And I'm not saying you have it. 2089 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,399 Speaker 3: I'm just saying like, sometimes, like live music is just 2090 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,439 like even if it's something that I don't like, if 2091 01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:11,680 someone's like a really good musician or something you can 2092 01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:13,119 you always will appreciate it. 2093 01:32:13,239 --> 01:32:15,880 Speaker 5: Oh no, I absolutely, like sometimes they'll we'll go to shows. 2094 01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:19,039 Like there's one one country artist that she loves, this guy, 2095 01:32:19,279 --> 01:32:22,800 Justin Moore, and I had never heard of him until 2096 01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:26,000 she introduced me to him. And I don't like the music, 2097 01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:28,479 but he puts on a good show, you know what 2098 01:32:28,479 --> 01:32:31,439 I mean. Like they're talented musicians. He's a down to 2099 01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:33,399 earth dude. Like she ended up winning some meet and 2100 01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:35,560 greet thing with him the first time we went sarm 2101 01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,680 so like I actually get to talk to the dude 2102 01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,880 and he was very chill, very very you know, very country, 2103 01:32:41,039 --> 01:32:43,079 but very chill, you know, what I mean, and and 2104 01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,000 I was. I was very impressed, you know, and then 2105 01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,760 seeing them live, they put on a great show. They're 2106 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,039 very talented musicians. 2107 01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:52,000 Speaker 4: But it's just not for me, you know what I mean. 2108 01:32:52,079 --> 01:32:56,920 Speaker 5: It's just something I can appreciate it, the the the music, 2109 01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:01,039 the musicianship, but I just can't get into that style 2110 01:33:01,079 --> 01:33:02,399 of stuff, you know, I just don't. 2111 01:33:02,479 --> 01:33:03,640 Speaker 4: It don't resonate with me, you know. 2112 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, there's a lot of things that I've been 2113 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,800 at where I'm like, not my thing. But I can 2114 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:15,439 appreciate the show. I can appreciate how they're playing, what 2115 01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,960 they're playing, you know, like you know, I'm not a 2116 01:33:18,079 --> 01:33:20,319 huge Rolling Stones fans. I like them, but I brought 2117 01:33:20,359 --> 01:33:22,279 my father to go see him at Gillette a few 2118 01:33:22,359 --> 01:33:22,760 years ago. 2119 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:24,960 Speaker 5: I wish I got to see them because I don't 2120 01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:26,439 love them, but I like them. 2121 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was like, holy shit, this is fucking great. 2122 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,199 And I can't believe these dudes that old. They played 2123 01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,720 like two hours, you know what I mean, Like it's 2124 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,760 just wild, you know what I mean. That's fine, And 2125 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,479 literally the funny thing is one of I've been to 2126 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,359 a lot of heavy shows from you know, from punk 2127 01:33:43,399 --> 01:33:47,640 to hardcore, to like extreme death metal whatever, you know 2128 01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,560 what I mean, all kinds of hip hop shows, all 2129 01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:54,199 kinds of everything. The hardest show I've been at where 2130 01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:57,520 the sound was so dialed in and so hard I'm 2131 01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:01,399 not kidding was the Beach Boys at the Zarian Theater. 2132 01:34:02,319 --> 01:34:03,199 Speaker 4: It was Brian Wilson. 2133 01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:07,520 Speaker 3: They were doing the pet Sounds album Nice and I 2134 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:13,239 don't know, like this was like pro like when the 2135 01:34:13,279 --> 01:34:15,000 base was hitting, it was hitting so hot it was 2136 01:34:15,079 --> 01:34:17,399 like my body was vibrating from it. 2137 01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,760 Speaker 4: And I was like, were you close to the stage. 2138 01:34:20,399 --> 01:34:22,680 Speaker 3: It's just you know, you know cetarian, Yeah, like you know, 2139 01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,800 I was like standing up. You know, there's like the 2140 01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,000 little wall, like I wasn't even downsitting, And I was 2141 01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:31,319 just like, why is the hardest show I've ever been to? 2142 01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,560 Like a fucking Beach Boys show? Like good Vibrations. I 2143 01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,039 was like, this shit fucking hits like it was like 2144 01:34:37,159 --> 01:34:38,000 hitting like hard. 2145 01:34:38,079 --> 01:34:40,159 Speaker 4: It's all in how the mixes, you. 2146 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:41,800 Speaker 3: Know what I mean, Like they had it dialed in, 2147 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,600 like they wanted that thing to resonate through you. And 2148 01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,199 I was just like and then I heard it all 2149 01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:47,640 in a different way enough. If I go back and 2150 01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,399 listen to some of that stuff on that record. I'm like, 2151 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:51,760 I can hear it, like how it's supposed to be 2152 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,000 live that they can't capture on the thing, And I'm like, yeah, 2153 01:34:55,039 --> 01:34:55,960 that song is fucking hard. 2154 01:34:56,039 --> 01:34:57,319 Speaker 4: That song's fucking tough, right. 2155 01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:01,439 Speaker 5: That Beach Boys stuff especially that record was yeah, phenomenal, 2156 01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:04,640 you know what I mean. That stuff inspired the Beatles 2157 01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,760 to do different ship you know, you know, it's just 2158 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:08,840 it's crazy, you know. 2159 01:35:09,039 --> 01:35:11,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't take it away. That's like they're 2160 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:15,159 Paul's Boutique, right, like, you know, like came out. It's fun, 2161 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,760 and then Paul's Boutique came out and they changed the 2162 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,520 game like that. That record, h pet Sounds was a 2163 01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:22,439 game changer for sure. 2164 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:24,520 Speaker 5: Check your Head For me, it was more of the 2165 01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:27,560 the Beastie Boys peak, you know, you I know everyone 2166 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:28,960 Paul's Don't get me wrong. 2167 01:35:29,079 --> 01:35:30,199 Speaker 4: I love Paul's Boutique. 2168 01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:32,520 Speaker 5: It's got some bangers on it. But but Check your 2169 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,439 Head was more of the skate soundtrackh you know what 2170 01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:38,439 I mean. So, so it resonated a little bit more 2171 01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:38,800 with me. 2172 01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:43,319 Speaker 3: You know, I just for me, it was like I 2173 01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:45,479 was at the Civic Center when they did their first tour, 2174 01:35:46,399 --> 01:35:48,119 so I wish I had I had a long sleeve 2175 01:35:48,199 --> 01:35:50,439 license to el shirt nice and it was cool. 2176 01:35:50,359 --> 01:35:54,239 Speaker 5: That with the Undy was that it was Murphy's Law. 2177 01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,279 Oh oh, Murphy's Law with with Beastie Boys. Yeah, really so. 2178 01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,560 Speaker 3: Beastie Boys first tour, so it used to be like 2179 01:36:02,199 --> 01:36:05,960 that album broke while they were on tour. So like 2180 01:36:06,039 --> 01:36:08,640 because they were old hardcore, you know, the yeahd Cares, 2181 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,239 they brought Murphy's off with them and they were doing clubs. 2182 01:36:11,359 --> 01:36:13,159 I didn't know that by the time that tour ended 2183 01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:15,560 they were doing the renas because the record was blowing 2184 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:16,880 up as they were on tour. 2185 01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:18,920 Speaker 5: Because I know they ended up touring with Run DMC. 2186 01:36:19,359 --> 01:36:21,800 Yeah yeah when they after they blew up, yeah yeah, 2187 01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,520 you know, and and and. 2188 01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:25,399 Speaker 3: That could have been the same thing. But like when 2189 01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:27,199 I sat I just remember seeing Murphy's on and be 2190 01:36:27,279 --> 01:36:29,479 like this is fucking cool. Like and I remember going 2191 01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:30,119 to school. 2192 01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,319 Speaker 4: The next day. Did not know Murphy's Law at the time. 2193 01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,600 Speaker 3: No, I didn't know him at the time, but but 2194 01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,159 I liked punk and hardcore, right, Like, I didn't know 2195 01:36:37,239 --> 01:36:40,039 Murphy's all yet, and I did after that and then 2196 01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:43,359 but like I remember being in school the next day 2197 01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:45,760 and all the hip hop kids complaining about Murphy's. I 2198 01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,960 was like, nah, that was fucking rad and but uh, 2199 01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:51,600 but it was funny, you know what I mean. But 2200 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,439 like now Jimmy G's like like a great friend and 2201 01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:56,399 it's funny to hear, like I've gotten to hear all 2202 01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,319 the tour stories about that, like and it was like 2203 01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,720 it was like that that such that's magic, you know 2204 01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,319 that time and like License still has a special place 2205 01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:07,199 because it was like fun and I remember but like 2206 01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:12,800 when all the production and the craziness of like Paul's boutique. 2207 01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,600 Speaker 4: Like no one was doing anything, oh no, him absolutely, 2208 01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:16,800 that was a game changer. 2209 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,760 Speaker 3: And I know Check your Head was another one because 2210 01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,800 then they started playing their instruments again and incorporating that 2211 01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,279 in and that was a game changer in a whole 2212 01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:27,319 different way. And one of my all time one of 2213 01:37:27,359 --> 01:37:30,319 my other all time favorite shows was it was uh 2214 01:37:31,039 --> 01:37:34,439 Beastie Boy, Cypress Hill, House of Pain and the Hooligans 2215 01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:35,359 at Rocky Point. 2216 01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:35,720 Speaker 4: Wow. 2217 01:37:36,079 --> 01:37:38,560 Speaker 5: You know, you know, I think I think I remember 2218 01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,199 that because like I had a bunch of friends that 2219 01:37:40,239 --> 01:37:42,319 would go to those shows. I never got to go there, 2220 01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,960 you know, like Faith the more played there with Helmet 2221 01:37:45,079 --> 01:37:47,439 and like on the Angel Dust tour and Faith the 2222 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,840 More was my favorite band of all time. 2223 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,159 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so like the fact that people saw that, 2224 01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:53,159 I gets so jealous. 2225 01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:57,159 Speaker 5: Yeah well I saw Faith the More there, like yeah, yeah, yeah, 2226 01:37:57,239 --> 01:37:59,920 same thing with the The Real Thing. They came around 2227 01:38:00,039 --> 01:38:02,319 for the Real Thing tour at the fish Bowl and 2228 01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:06,680 the living Room. Yeah, and I'm like, motherfuckers, you know 2229 01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:07,119 what I mean. 2230 01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:07,520 Speaker 4: I didn't. 2231 01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,399 Speaker 3: I didn't see that, so you don't have to. I 2232 01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:13,560 won't be on your ship. My favorite thing about those 2233 01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,239 Rocky Point shows is they started throwing raves there and 2234 01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:18,199 they stop, yeah, because I think they had one or 2235 01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:21,680 two and they were finding kids like fucking whatever. 2236 01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,119 Speaker 4: They were on drug like floating in the water. It's 2237 01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:28,119 like right on the water they would die and they 2238 01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:29,520 just passed out. 2239 01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,319 Speaker 3: Just like fucking high, like floating around in the ocean 2240 01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,039 like like you know what I mean. It was just 2241 01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,000 just funny ship. Like that whole time frame is such 2242 01:38:37,079 --> 01:38:39,319 a funny time because it was like the hardest ship 2243 01:38:39,399 --> 01:38:42,039 going on. And then like Rave was big, like Techno 2244 01:38:42,199 --> 01:38:44,439 was huge, and you know, going to Babyhead it was 2245 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:47,800 like it was punk rock shows, hardcore metal shows, and 2246 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,800 then like then it would be like stupid dance party 2247 01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:50,119 or like. 2248 01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:53,239 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah no nights and stuff like that was 2249 01:38:53,319 --> 01:38:56,399 what was cool about Babyhead was like you had all 2250 01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:58,600 that different stuff in one jerney. 2251 01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:00,920 Speaker 4: You know, it was good. 2252 01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:03,840 Speaker 5: Yeah I miss I missed baby I missed that whole 2253 01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,640 Providence scene though, you know what I mean, Like, yeah, 2254 01:39:06,319 --> 01:39:08,560 I used to love the old Mat because the Met 2255 01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:09,560 shows so good. 2256 01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:12,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, the new Mat is good, No, it is, it's great. 2257 01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:13,399 Sound is good there. 2258 01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,319 Speaker 3: I started a corrosion and conformity there and I almost 2259 01:39:16,319 --> 01:39:19,000 went deaf from that show was so loud and dialed 2260 01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:19,560 in and stuff. 2261 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I've seen quite a few at the 2262 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,199 new At the New Matt, I like it a lot, 2263 01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,159 you know, but the old Mat just has like that, 2264 01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:29,520 And I know that's not even the oldest Met. 2265 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:31,920 Speaker 4: That Met was like all over the place, you know 2266 01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:32,199 what I mean. 2267 01:39:32,399 --> 01:39:33,800 Speaker 3: Because but it was cool because it was on a 2268 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:36,560 corner with all this glass, so yeah, you know, people 2269 01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,079 walking by like what the fuck is going on there? 2270 01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:41,039 Speaker 4: Because like kids are like piling on top of each 2271 01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:41,840 other and smashing. 2272 01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,640 Speaker 5: And I've seen some six shows there, man, like like 2273 01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,239 I saw neurosis there. I saw a freaking you know, 2274 01:39:49,079 --> 01:39:51,279 uh h two O. There a bunch of times, like 2275 01:39:51,359 --> 01:39:54,279 so many good shows, you know, yeah. 2276 01:39:54,199 --> 01:39:56,199 Speaker 3: That's what's cool, man. It was it was cool when 2277 01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,520 you had to be at the show to see the show. Yeah, 2278 01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,840 it wasn't and everyone there was participating. And you know, 2279 01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:03,199 there might have been a kid or too that I 2280 01:40:03,239 --> 01:40:04,880 remember there's a kid ed that used to film a 2281 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,960 lot of the old Boston shows and some Providence shows 2282 01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,039 and you know, and there was like people doing that, 2283 01:40:11,159 --> 01:40:13,439 but it wasn't like fifty people with their phona right 2284 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,000 when you were there. And if you wanted a band 2285 01:40:16,079 --> 01:40:17,720 shirt or a record, you had to be there to 2286 01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:19,399 get that or you have to hunt it down. And 2287 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,560 it was just like you have to be more involved. 2288 01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:21,960 Speaker 4: You couldn't. 2289 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,600 Speaker 3: You couldn't be at home involved, you know, you had to, 2290 01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,520 like and people wanted to do stuff, like not everyone 2291 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,199 wanted to be in a band, but like people were 2292 01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:32,680 doing zines or like printing shirts or like doing you know, 2293 01:40:33,079 --> 01:40:35,000 you know, putting on shows or whatever. 2294 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:38,319 Speaker 5: It was like even in that even in our immediate area, 2295 01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,079 people were doing that stuff and was great. 2296 01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:43,840 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and uh yeah, like you know, yeah, New 2297 01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,600 Bedford had those New Bedford Fests and all that wild enough. 2298 01:40:47,159 --> 01:40:48,760 Speaker 4: So what do you got going on now for music? 2299 01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,359 Speaker 3: Man? I know, I know Drained has come out of 2300 01:40:52,399 --> 01:40:54,840 retirement here and there and popped in and done done 2301 01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:58,399 a few uh surprise appearances and uh well not surprised 2302 01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:00,399 you know, announced that stuff, but like you know, like 2303 01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:04,079 you come back from from hiatus to to uh hit 2304 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:05,399 the stage again, and. 2305 01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:07,279 Speaker 5: We brushed the mothballs off a little bit. 2306 01:41:07,399 --> 01:41:09,560 Speaker 3: You know, I know, I know Roger is super busy 2307 01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,680 with uh with all sinners, and he's got a he's 2308 01:41:12,720 --> 01:41:13,920 living in his eighties metal. 2309 01:41:15,079 --> 01:41:18,000 Speaker 4: He's playing at the Whiskey and doing the whole Hollywood thing. 2310 01:41:18,319 --> 01:41:20,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a record coming out this weekend. 2311 01:41:20,359 --> 01:41:22,039 Speaker 4: Actually we're doing We're doing at the Dipper. 2312 01:41:22,079 --> 01:41:27,119 Speaker 3: We're doing as specialty pizza this weekend with the hot 2313 01:41:27,159 --> 01:41:27,640 sauce on it. 2314 01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:28,119 Speaker 4: Yeah nice. 2315 01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,800 Speaker 3: I was working with it with one of my cooks today. 2316 01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:33,640 We were trying to because the hot sauce is really clumpy, 2317 01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,479 so we're gonna have to cut it with something smoother 2318 01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,960 to uh, just to make it so that we can 2319 01:41:38,079 --> 01:41:38,600 it's spread. 2320 01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:38,960 Speaker 4: You know. 2321 01:41:39,039 --> 01:41:42,199 Speaker 5: I mean what I like about about talking to you 2322 01:41:42,319 --> 01:41:47,520 about about pizza and and it's you're very innovative when 2323 01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:49,760 it comes to that ship, and I love it, you know, yeah, 2324 01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:51,920 but but it just shows that you actually give a ship, 2325 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:53,439 you know what I mean, And that's awesome, you know, 2326 01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,399 And and it shows because your your pizza is freaking awesome. 2327 01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,720 Everyone that I ever say, go check out the Dipper pizza. 2328 01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:01,359 They're all was like, oh man, this is great. 2329 01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,239 Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, well, you know, Packer and I spent 2330 01:42:04,319 --> 01:42:06,279 the whole year and he was doing like a lot 2331 01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:08,760 of that way more of the heavy lifting research into it. 2332 01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:11,760 But like the first day, like me and him were 2333 01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:13,960 just we were at his house and we were like, 2334 01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:16,279 we'll figure this out. We're like, all right here, just 2335 01:42:16,319 --> 01:42:18,199 how to make the dough and we didn't understand the 2336 01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:20,119 but we didn't know about proofing yet. We're like, how 2337 01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:21,880 come we can't get this ship to stay? We're like 2338 01:42:21,960 --> 01:42:24,039 trying to put it in the pan because we bought 2339 01:42:24,119 --> 01:42:25,039 like the pans. 2340 01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,520 Speaker 4: That you so did you buy the oven first? 2341 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:30,239 Speaker 5: And then then really like when I'm going to turn 2342 01:42:30,319 --> 01:42:33,359 this on you, all right, so where the where did 2343 01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:34,680 the pizza idea come from? 2344 01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,479 Speaker 3: I know you had the bar, so so we had 2345 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:41,600 the bar and it was that bar has been in 2346 01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:46,520 my family for fifty years, right, Like my uncle bought it. 2347 01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,760 So that's what that's literally the first licensed bar in 2348 01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,279 New Bedford, is it really? So there was bars before it, 2349 01:42:52,319 --> 01:42:55,119 but then Prohibition. After Prohibition, that was the first bar 2350 01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:57,840 to become a license bar in the Bedford. That's when 2351 01:42:57,880 --> 01:42:59,920 it was started by this family called the Shah family 2352 01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:04,119 and they were a Lebanese family. They were bootleggers during 2353 01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:09,399 during the prohibition times, and so it ended and you know, 2354 01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,079 it was the kids and the father that were like, 2355 01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:12,319 what are we gonna do? And he was like, we're 2356 01:43:12,319 --> 01:43:14,199 gonna stay in the business. We're just gonna open up 2357 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:15,920 a bar. And they opened up a bar and it 2358 01:43:16,039 --> 01:43:19,439 was The Dipper and then my uncle bought and then 2359 01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:22,439 my uncle bought it from them, and you know, seventies 2360 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:27,880 or something, late seventies, early eighties, and then my father 2361 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:30,279 started working there forty some years ago when he broke 2362 01:43:30,359 --> 01:43:32,279 his back. He used to be a teamster and a 2363 01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:35,600 trucker and but yeah, and he was delivering sheet rock 2364 01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:37,520 and his patner called out one day and my father's, 2365 01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,119 you know, being a dude, and he's carrying two pieces 2366 01:43:41,119 --> 01:43:43,520 of sheet rock at once and banged his back up 2367 01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,920 and so he started working at the bar and then 2368 01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:50,680 he bought it from my uncle and then during COVID, 2369 01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:53,520 his business partner kind of wanted to bow out because 2370 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:58,960 COVID was screwing everything up, and so me and Packer 2371 01:43:59,039 --> 01:44:02,279 bought it and then we had it and there was 2372 01:44:02,319 --> 01:44:04,039 no kitchen. Well there was a kitchen. There had been 2373 01:44:04,079 --> 01:44:06,560 a kitchen prior years, but there hadn't been a kitchen 2374 01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,880 being used in years since it been renovated and everything. 2375 01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:11,319 And it was like one of those things where it 2376 01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,439 was like we got to do we should do something. 2377 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,760 And I was like, nobody's doing bar pizza down here, 2378 01:44:17,039 --> 01:44:19,079 and it's a big thing. You know, I'm not from 2379 01:44:19,239 --> 01:44:21,239 I'm from here. I'm not from the South Show. Like 2380 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,279 I learned about South Show bar pizza from Dan and 2381 01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:27,359 from Packer and stuff like people that were super into it. 2382 01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:29,319 And so we were like, we can do that, right, 2383 01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:32,239 and so we started researching how to make it and stuff, 2384 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,920 and you know, one night, me and pack were sitting 2385 01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:37,000 at his house. We're trying to make it, like we're 2386 01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,119 like grating cheese and doing all this shit. We didn't 2387 01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:41,119 know what the hell we were doing it. And then 2388 01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:43,880 you know, he stayed on like trying to develop the 2389 01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,039 recipe more. He has a friend that's a chef that 2390 01:44:46,279 --> 01:44:48,600 kind of really walked through it with us and gave 2391 01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:51,600 us like the secret ingredient for the sauce and was like, 2392 01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,800 this is gonna set here stuff. We din'tven make our 2393 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:58,800 employees signed non disclosure and everything, because it's like it's 2394 01:44:58,920 --> 01:45:00,960 literally different then everybody else is. 2395 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,640 Speaker 4: And it's like this weird surprise ingredient that you. 2396 01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,119 Speaker 5: Know in off air, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna 2397 01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:08,760 throw something at you and Okay, I'm not going to 2398 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,399 tell you what it is, but tell me yes or no, 2399 01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,479 but I'm gonna tell you what I can. 2400 01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,760 Speaker 3: Tell you if you're in the right direction. Okay, But anyway, 2401 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:20,520 So so we got that open and you know, you know, 2402 01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:23,600 as an homage, it was just like something different. And 2403 01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,760 then other places started doing it right after us, and 2404 01:45:27,279 --> 01:45:31,760 there's because you know, we're not doing Greek pizza, We're 2405 01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,359 not doing New Bedford thin crust, like like no one's 2406 01:45:34,359 --> 01:45:35,359 fucking with pyrafics. 2407 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:38,079 Speaker 5: Pi Raff has got it, you know, as is my 2408 01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:41,359 favorite of the of the New Bedford pizza places that's 2409 01:45:41,399 --> 01:45:43,680 not bar Pizza yeah, yeah, exactly, you know what I mean. 2410 01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,680 Speaker 4: And so it's like and I like Riccardi's a lot, Yeah, 2411 01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,840 I like Riccardi's and that's like our style in this area. 2412 01:45:50,279 --> 01:45:51,920 Speaker 3: But we just wanted to bring the bar pizza because 2413 01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:54,159 we got a bar and it's like, I'm not gonna 2414 01:45:54,199 --> 01:45:56,920 do pow Raffis style. Like there's already places doing it 2415 01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:58,439 that is doing it good. No one was doing bar 2416 01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,920 pizza down here. So you know, people like rays and 2417 01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,520 stuff like and and that's good stuff too, but like 2418 01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:10,279 we're doing traditional South Shore and so and so yeah, 2419 01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:13,760 and that's like literally and it was we didn't want 2420 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:16,439 to open up like a full kitchen and you know 2421 01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:16,720 all that. 2422 01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,439 Speaker 4: So we got that oven and like. 2423 01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,880 Speaker 3: We talked to the guy Bobby Owens that like makes 2424 01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:24,319 the pants like you got if you're doing so show Bobbies, 2425 01:46:24,359 --> 01:46:26,199 you have to have Bobby ow And pants, and he 2426 01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:28,760 was like, you could do this, get like this, this 2427 01:46:29,039 --> 01:46:31,479 oven would be good. And you know, you know, people 2428 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,399 were mentoring us. You know what I mean, it's good 2429 01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:36,319 and uh and you know, like so we just did 2430 01:46:36,359 --> 01:46:37,880 it and ran with it and you know, and it's 2431 01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:38,600 it's worked out. 2432 01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:39,800 Speaker 4: You know, that's awesome. 2433 01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:41,239 Speaker 3: And now we try and do fun things with it, 2434 01:46:41,399 --> 01:46:43,159 like you know, even with drinks and stuff. I'll go 2435 01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:45,279 in like I was there the other day. I had 2436 01:46:45,319 --> 01:46:47,720 to open up because because my father stayed on you know, 2437 01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:48,960 like I know, he didn't want to be out of 2438 01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:51,239 So he comes in every morning and sets up and 2439 01:46:51,279 --> 01:46:53,479 gets everyone going, and it's awesome. And he's like stoked 2440 01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:54,840 because he's like, yeah, it gives me a reason get 2441 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,000 out of the house. So does he get everything going 2442 01:46:57,079 --> 01:46:59,239 with the food or just the bar stuff, just the 2443 01:46:59,279 --> 01:47:02,800 bar stuff, and you know, we we have uh prep 2444 01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,079 cooks come in and people that around prep they come 2445 01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:06,760 in and get that set in the morning. And we 2446 01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:08,399 got a good team, you know what I mean. And 2447 01:47:09,319 --> 01:47:11,680 and we got good bartenders, we got good kitchen staff. 2448 01:47:12,199 --> 01:47:14,760 We got a good kitchen manager. And my father's kind 2449 01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,800 of like the bar manager. And you know, and then 2450 01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:20,399 me and packer do things and handle all the you know, 2451 01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,039 the logistics and the running the business and all that stuff. 2452 01:47:23,359 --> 01:47:26,319 But like I like going in there, like we at first, 2453 01:47:26,399 --> 01:47:29,479 me and him were both doing shifts like making pizzas, 2454 01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,920 bartending just to learn it because I got to be 2455 01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:34,279 able to do this stuff. If someone calls out, you 2456 01:47:34,359 --> 01:47:38,119 know what I mean, and uh, you know, and and 2457 01:47:38,319 --> 01:47:40,319 and you know whatever, so like and to know what 2458 01:47:40,399 --> 01:47:42,880 we're talking about and too, you know at first, like 2459 01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,479 you know, we had to do it. Like I've never 2460 01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:47,159 woned a bar, I've never owned a kitchen. I worked 2461 01:47:47,359 --> 01:47:49,079 when I was a kid. I worked as a dishwasher. 2462 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,920 That's my kitchen experience. So it was all of it 2463 01:47:52,039 --> 01:47:53,920 was learning and then like dealing with the city and 2464 01:47:54,319 --> 01:47:58,239 the town, like all the permitting and the house. Yeah 2465 01:47:58,279 --> 01:48:03,800 it's good, that's good, uh you know, and so you know, 2466 01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:05,920 like I went today to renew the liquor license permit 2467 01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:09,239 and stuff. And you know, they used to people being dicks. 2468 01:48:09,279 --> 01:48:11,560 You go in there looking like how you know, we 2469 01:48:12,039 --> 01:48:14,640 don't look. But if you're going there like smiling and 2470 01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:16,600 making jokes, they get stoked, you know what I mean. 2471 01:48:17,279 --> 01:48:18,640 You're being cool like you know what I mean, and 2472 01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,760 still be an asshole. S don't be an asshole, and 2473 01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:25,159 you'll be amazing in life, Like how much things are 2474 01:48:25,239 --> 01:48:27,119 easier if you're just not an asshole, you know what 2475 01:48:27,159 --> 01:48:29,680 I mean. I can be a real asshole, like I 2476 01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:31,640 have no problem and I enjoy it and I relish it. 2477 01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,359 I try not to do it, but like, you know, 2478 01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,159 like yeah, but you have to provoke me to be 2479 01:48:36,199 --> 01:48:38,479 an asshole. So it's like, all right, I find that. 2480 01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,840 It's like I wait because from a young age my 2481 01:48:40,920 --> 01:48:43,520 father taught me as funny as hell. I remember this 2482 01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,439 as clear as day. And I don't have a kid, 2483 01:48:45,479 --> 01:48:46,880 and I wish I had a kid that passes on 2484 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,159 to you somehow. I was get on the bus for 2485 01:48:48,279 --> 01:48:50,880 kindergart and he goes, look, it's gonna be all kinds 2486 01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:51,760 of kids. It's gonna be kids. 2487 01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,159 Speaker 4: You don't know. There's gonna be kids that are probably 2488 01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:57,000 messed with you. You know, it is what it is right. 2489 01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:02,159 Speaker 3: If they mess with you and you do not retaliate 2490 01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:05,640 you you I want you to stand up for yourself 2491 01:49:06,279 --> 01:49:09,159 because you're gonna they if someone puts hands on you, 2492 01:49:09,319 --> 01:49:11,840 put the hands back. Yeah, and if you don't do it, 2493 01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,000 when you come home, I'm gonna put hands on you. 2494 01:49:14,079 --> 01:49:14,640 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 2495 01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:17,239 Speaker 3: Like and so you know, so I've always like laid 2496 01:49:17,279 --> 01:49:18,840 back in the cut and I'm like, okay, as long 2497 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:21,239 as I don't do it first, like I always feel justified. 2498 01:49:21,279 --> 01:49:23,279 I know that's not right, and some save me to 2499 01:49:23,399 --> 01:49:24,920 you know, I know people gonna be like, oh, you're 2500 01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,880 a dick, and I'm like, no, not, but don't be 2501 01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:28,199 a dick. 2502 01:49:28,399 --> 01:49:31,239 Speaker 4: Like just everything's a lot easier, you know what I mean. 2503 01:49:31,359 --> 01:49:33,319 Speaker 5: With my kids, I would I would always be like, 2504 01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:37,840 someone messes with you, tell the teacher, soone mess with 2505 01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,159 you again, And because the teacher didn't do anything, then 2506 01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:42,600 you have you have full rain to. 2507 01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:43,319 Speaker 4: Do whatever you need to do. 2508 01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:47,399 Speaker 3: Seventies were a little different. Yeah, seventies are a little different. Now, 2509 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,560 yeah that's two thousands fair. Yeah, I'm talking about the 2510 01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:56,000 seventies elementary. But yeah, no, So anyway, that the long 2511 01:49:56,319 --> 01:49:57,720 that's like, did I answer your question? 2512 01:49:57,960 --> 01:49:59,560 Speaker 4: You did? You did, so I'll get I'll get back 2513 01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:02,479 to you your question. So we bought the bar, then 2514 01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:04,920 we bought the you know, we did research and yeah 2515 01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:05,520 we wait. 2516 01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,640 Speaker 3: We we worked on it for a whole year before 2517 01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:10,600 we opened up the kitchen because we wanted to come 2518 01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,479 out and do it legit. Yeah, and I'll tell you 2519 01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:14,439 this because it's funny because you asked about it. We 2520 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,520 were like deathly afraid because are you aware of the 2521 01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,560 Facebook group sou show of our pizza? 2522 01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,239 Speaker 4: Yes, I am, I think a minute. Yeah, yeah, there's 2523 01:50:23,319 --> 01:50:24,760 like seventy thousand people on it. 2524 01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,840 Speaker 3: It's like bigger than the town of Plymouth, right, you know, 2525 01:50:27,079 --> 01:50:29,600 there's more people in that than there isn't the town 2526 01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:33,319 of Plymouth, right right right, And they're all massholes and 2527 01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:39,279 they are like cutthroat savages, like towny fucking savages. Like 2528 01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,039 like you go on there and people will be like, 2529 01:50:41,319 --> 01:50:44,199 oh the Lindwood, that stuff's garbage. It's inedible, and it's like, 2530 01:50:44,479 --> 01:50:48,000 come on, it's not inedible, Like yeah, you like Cape 2531 01:50:48,039 --> 01:50:50,920 Cod better, but like but like people that like they cutthroat, 2532 01:50:51,039 --> 01:50:53,920 Like I was like, we need to get this dialed 2533 01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:55,800 in before we get on that page. 2534 01:50:55,880 --> 01:50:57,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, like please, we don't want anyone to know. 2535 01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,439 Speaker 3: Like we did our opening and day one and people 2536 01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:02,720 were coming from all over the state because there's such 2537 01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,239 a cult status on Saushow of our pizza that people 2538 01:51:05,279 --> 01:51:08,079 were coming from from the South Shore, like we heard 2539 01:51:08,079 --> 01:51:08,680 there's a new place. 2540 01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:09,199 Speaker 4: We're trying it. 2541 01:51:09,239 --> 01:51:11,760 Speaker 3: And it was our first night and luckily, you know, 2542 01:51:12,760 --> 01:51:15,439 like anything, we had kink sept first, just like we 2543 01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,800 knew how to make good pizza. It was getting the 2544 01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:21,760 staff trained and being consistent, you know, and like learning 2545 01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:24,239 the business, like how much dough do we have to make. 2546 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:26,600 How many pans do we need to have? Like you know, 2547 01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:30,880 like and yeah, like yeah, me and Packer were running 2548 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,279 to the store three times a day to get shipped 2549 01:51:33,279 --> 01:51:35,760 because we didn't have accounts with like the big distributors 2550 01:51:36,039 --> 01:51:38,560 and we were just doing what we could. We you know, 2551 01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:41,520 we were running to our restaurant depot and Brockdon because 2552 01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:44,279 New Bedford one wasn't open yet before we had other 2553 01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:49,399 distributors and you know, grabbing cans of tomato stewed tomatoes 2554 01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,600 and all this stuff, you know what I mean in uh, 2555 01:51:52,159 --> 01:51:53,399 and it was just wild. 2556 01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:55,840 Speaker 4: It was just like oh Jesus Christ. And it's funny you. 2557 01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,279 Speaker 3: Look back on it now, but it was so stressful 2558 01:51:58,319 --> 01:52:00,760 and like but chaotic. But you know when you're first 2559 01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,439 learning something, it's kind of awesome too, like like like 2560 01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,119 you're in it, like we've gotten this going. 2561 01:52:05,159 --> 01:52:05,640 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 2562 01:52:05,680 --> 01:52:08,079 Speaker 3: But the first day people were already on it was 2563 01:52:08,079 --> 01:52:09,439 already on South Show about pizza. 2564 01:52:09,439 --> 01:52:11,680 Speaker 4: I was like, oh damn, like damn, And it was good. 2565 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,800 Speaker 3: But then, you know, you know, we've had we had 2566 01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,960 consistency issues with especially with like one specific person who 2567 01:52:18,039 --> 01:52:20,720 no longer works with us, and we like the first 2568 01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,079 two days, like within the first week, our first kitchen 2569 01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:26,399 manager quit, you know what I mean, Like you know 2570 01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:29,279 what I mean, Like they they weren't ready to be 2571 01:52:29,359 --> 01:52:32,159 a kitchen manager, but they sold themselves and then it 2572 01:52:32,239 --> 01:52:33,600 was time to do kitchen manager stuff. 2573 01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:35,520 Speaker 4: They were like freaking out, like oh, you know what 2574 01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:35,800 I mean. 2575 01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:38,399 Speaker 3: It's like and so anyway, you know, we had you know, 2576 01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:40,680 learning stuff, you know what I mean, And so it's 2577 01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,039 fun and we don't and now it's more dialed in 2578 01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:44,680 and now we can have more fun with it. 2579 01:52:44,760 --> 01:52:46,800 Speaker 4: So like we did, like Tim Wiseberg, we did the 2580 01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,159 Spooky South Coast people. It's doing good. We'll probably keep 2581 01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:50,720 it on for a while. We do the one for 2582 01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:53,000 Roger this weekend, and like I like doing that. 2583 01:52:53,399 --> 01:52:55,920 Speaker 3: And even with drinks, it was like, oh, I mixed 2584 01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,960 like this peanut butter tequila and like ninety nine minutes 2585 01:52:59,159 --> 01:53:01,079 like oh it's a velvet elve Elvis used to eat 2586 01:53:01,239 --> 01:53:04,000 peanut butter banana, which you know, I like doing ship like. 2587 01:53:04,039 --> 01:53:04,720 Speaker 4: That, you know what I mean. 2588 01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:07,039 Speaker 5: Like it's also cool seeing like when you guys have 2589 01:53:07,239 --> 01:53:09,520 like you know, Jimmy g in the in the kitchen 2590 01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:11,520 cooking pizzas, that's cool. 2591 01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:12,359 Speaker 4: Ship though you know what I. 2592 01:53:12,399 --> 01:53:14,520 Speaker 5: Mean, that's like a nod to where you come from. Like, 2593 01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,039 and that's what that's awesome, you know. 2594 01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:18,399 Speaker 3: I mean, like it was so funny because when Lars 2595 01:53:18,399 --> 01:53:21,079 from Rancid was cooking, yeah, people were freaking out. 2596 01:53:21,159 --> 01:53:22,760 Speaker 4: He's still there, He's still that. I'm like, no, dude, 2597 01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:23,680 this was two days ago. 2598 01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:25,319 Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way I'm gonna let you 2599 01:53:25,399 --> 01:53:28,199 savages come down. And you didn't bother him while he's here, 2600 01:53:28,279 --> 01:53:30,199 like he was, it's my boy, you know what I mean. Like, 2601 01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,119 but that's cool ship Yeah, yeah, but like I was, 2602 01:53:33,319 --> 01:53:34,960 you got to be around because you never know who's 2603 01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:36,760 going to be back there. So we got other people 2604 01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,000 who are going to become We got other guest chefs 2605 01:53:39,039 --> 01:53:41,880 coming in soon. So but yeah, you know, and that's 2606 01:53:41,920 --> 01:53:43,560 the fun part to do, like you know what I mean. 2607 01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:47,560 And that's the you know, like you know, you know whatever, 2608 01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:49,920 that's We ain't making money yet, you know what I mean, 2609 01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:51,560 So we have fun with it, you know what I mean. 2610 01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:52,439 Speaker 4: Just have fun, you know. 2611 01:53:53,039 --> 01:53:54,680 Speaker 5: And and if it isn't fun, why are you gonna 2612 01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:54,840 do it? 2613 01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:55,359 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 2614 01:53:55,720 --> 01:53:57,840 Speaker 5: You know, as long as you're staying afloat though, Yeah. 2615 01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,720 Speaker 4: It's paying, it's it's it's a restaurant and buyer industry. 2616 01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:04,560 Speaker 3: They're like most of them, but they're like, if you're 2617 01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:08,520 already self sustaining and growing and sustaining that growth, that's 2618 01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:10,279 you're ahead of the curve. Like and I'm not saying 2619 01:54:10,359 --> 01:54:13,159 like I'm shooting low, but it's like we we we 2620 01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:16,319 we put in the initial investment, and then the initial 2621 01:54:16,399 --> 01:54:20,119 investment opened the kitchen and I had to come out 2622 01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:21,000 of pocket for anything. 2623 01:54:21,039 --> 01:54:23,479 Speaker 4: That's great. I ain't putting anything in my pocket, but 2624 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:23,760 I ain't. 2625 01:54:24,199 --> 01:54:26,640 Speaker 5: And you're keeping your dad's business going, which is which 2626 01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:28,239 is probably the most important thing for you. 2627 01:54:28,399 --> 01:54:28,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 2628 01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:30,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like we got screwed for a whole 2629 01:54:30,600 --> 01:54:33,079 year while they were building the train stuff across the 2630 01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:37,520 street and like they kept shutting our block down and whatever. 2631 01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:40,199 Speaker 4: Is that station helping at all? Now? 2632 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:42,720 Speaker 3: No? Not really, like that's going to be a long 2633 01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:46,119 term thing. I think like there's not an influx of 2634 01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:48,840 people trying to move to New Bedford from Boston or 2635 01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,000 you know, like move to New Bedford so because they 2636 01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:53,439 can take the train to Boston. Yeah, not yet, at 2637 01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:57,520 least not yet, but sooner or later maybe, Yeah, but uh, 2638 01:54:58,039 --> 01:54:59,960 but yeah, no, I mean in the summer, there's been 2639 01:55:00,119 --> 01:55:01,880 sometimes when people going to like a Red Sox game, 2640 01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:03,960 coming in, pregame at the bar and then walk over, 2641 01:55:04,039 --> 01:55:06,000 you know what I mean. But but by and large 2642 01:55:06,039 --> 01:55:09,000 it hasn't like done much what I mean, you know, 2643 01:55:09,199 --> 01:55:12,920 it is what it is. So yeah, so the so 2644 01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:14,560 what were we talking about? 2645 01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:15,760 Speaker 4: Metal? Yeah? 2646 01:55:16,239 --> 01:55:18,840 Speaker 5: So yeah, my band on your Deathbed, On your Deathbed? Ye, 2647 01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:22,239 so yeah, I we uh I started on your Deathbed 2648 01:55:22,359 --> 01:55:26,279 with my my buddy Creature from uh from Drained. Actually 2649 01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,800 he at the time, we weren't doing anything musically because 2650 01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:33,239 at that we were like like in a hiatus with Withdrained, 2651 01:55:33,640 --> 01:55:34,840 and he had hit me up. 2652 01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:36,960 Speaker 4: He's like, hey, want to do some heavy stuff. I'm like, yeah, 2653 01:55:37,039 --> 01:55:37,840 let's do that, you know. 2654 01:55:38,199 --> 01:55:39,920 Speaker 5: So we got a couple of dudes from from some 2655 01:55:40,039 --> 01:55:42,600 of the other local bands together and we started the 2656 01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:45,359 band called on Your Deathbed. So we've been we were 2657 01:55:45,399 --> 01:55:49,359 playing pretty frequent, you know, playing big shows like all 2658 01:55:49,439 --> 01:55:50,920 in the local area, you know what I mean. Like 2659 01:55:51,319 --> 01:55:53,760 we played Metal Fest a couple of times, and at 2660 01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:56,399 the Pladium, we played Rock and Shock a couple of times. 2661 01:55:56,439 --> 01:56:00,399 At the Pladium, we played all kinds of big shows 2662 01:56:00,479 --> 01:56:02,000 like in the area. Like we used to play fet 2663 01:56:02,119 --> 01:56:06,079 Music Hall a lot. We never really got to play Boston, 2664 01:56:06,119 --> 01:56:07,880 which was kind of weird, you know. We were mostly 2665 01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:12,000 like Providence Wooster area. So but we played some huge 2666 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,279 shows with some huge bands, which is amazing, you know, 2667 01:56:14,439 --> 01:56:18,000 like that band from from Believe It or Not from 2668 01:56:18,039 --> 01:56:22,920 twenty thirteen to you know, last couple about a year 2669 01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,920 ago is when we kind of slowed down because our 2670 01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:29,359 guitar player was quitting. It played with some of the 2671 01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:31,239 biggest shows we've ever played, you know what I mean. 2672 01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:33,960 You know, I think the biggest show I ever played 2673 01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:37,119 was we Draine played local Bozuka, the one of the 2674 01:56:37,159 --> 01:56:41,039 first local bozukahs in Worcester, and that was freaking thousands 2675 01:56:41,079 --> 01:56:43,560 of people, you know. So that was great, you know. 2676 01:56:44,239 --> 01:56:47,119 And we even had like slip Knot come over and 2677 01:56:47,239 --> 01:56:49,840 like take notice and loving it, you know what I mean. Cool, 2678 01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:52,680 So it was it was pretty cool because like Clown 2679 01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:55,119 from Slipknot ended up talking with me and Roger and 2680 01:56:55,159 --> 01:56:56,760 he's like, dude, I love you guys this and that 2681 01:56:57,079 --> 01:56:59,640 he invited us up to freaking Maine the next night 2682 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:01,960 up and hung out with them on their bus that night. 2683 01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:03,640 You know what I mean, it was just cool, you know, 2684 01:57:03,880 --> 01:57:05,880 because the guys, he's a hardcore guy, you know what 2685 01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:08,800 I mean. You know, it's it's cool to see bands 2686 01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:12,880 like that that like still have respect for hardcore, you know. 2687 01:57:13,279 --> 01:57:16,960 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I think it's very rare for 2688 01:57:17,079 --> 01:57:18,520 someone that grew up in it and grew up in 2689 01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:20,560 it the right way, like to turn their back even 2690 01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:22,359 though they be doing something. 2691 01:57:22,119 --> 01:57:23,000 Speaker 4: Else, you know what I mean. 2692 01:57:23,039 --> 01:57:24,880 Speaker 5: I mean, even even when I'm doing the metal stuff, 2693 01:57:25,079 --> 01:57:27,199 Like I'm still a hardcore kid at heart, you know 2694 01:57:27,239 --> 01:57:30,640 what I mean. So, like it's it's I I still 2695 01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:32,680 want to do hardcore and I want to play hardcore, 2696 01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,520 so I will be doing something with that, but for now, 2697 01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:38,520 like we we lost our guitar players, so we call it. 2698 01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,319 We called it quits for on your deathbed as as 2699 01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,840 that band, but we're still going to move forward as 2700 01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:44,560 a new project. 2701 01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's all the members guitarist. 2702 01:57:47,319 --> 01:57:49,239 Speaker 5: And yeah, I mean it's it's pretty much the same 2703 01:57:49,319 --> 01:57:51,880 members with A with with A. We actually brought back 2704 01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:54,880 our old drummer and our drummer moved to guitar, which 2705 01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:57,520 is pretty amazing, you know what I mean. So, and 2706 01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:01,119 and it sounds wicked good, like it's it's you know, 2707 01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:03,239 but it's it's it's metalcore, you know what I mean. 2708 01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:06,000 So it's uh, you know, it's gonna be on the 2709 01:58:06,079 --> 01:58:08,640 same kind of an idea, but just a different project. 2710 01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:10,640 Like we haven't come up with a name yet because 2711 01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:12,880 we're coming up with the songs first, then we'll figure 2712 01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:13,960 out what we're gonna call it, you know. 2713 01:58:14,279 --> 01:58:17,840 Speaker 3: So well, you know, me and Pete Benavid's and and 2714 01:58:18,199 --> 01:58:21,600 Craig and Mario and stuff have that side project coming 2715 01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,880 up with a name. Yeah, in twenty five that isn't 2716 01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:28,439 already taken by some like little freaking weird band in 2717 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:33,319 Scandinavia or something like you know, like everything is taken. Yeah, 2718 01:58:33,479 --> 01:58:35,880 everything is taken. It took so long to come come 2719 01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:37,479 up with a name, you know what I mean. 2720 01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:39,800 Speaker 5: And we've we we talked about the fact that, like 2721 01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:42,680 I don't want to make an acronym band, because every 2722 01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,640 band is an acronym band. And it's not that I 2723 01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:48,239 don't obviously, I'm I'm wearing acronyms right now. 2724 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:49,199 Speaker 4: I get it. 2725 01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:53,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, I wearing two different acronyms as we speak, you know. So, 2726 01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,720 But like I and I get that's what like people 2727 01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:57,880 just make it easier, so they just say it's it's 2728 01:58:58,039 --> 01:59:00,960 whatever it is, you know. But like I I'm trying 2729 01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:02,880 to get away from that, you know, just to try 2730 01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:04,479 to try to stand out in a way. 2731 01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:04,880 Speaker 3: You know. 2732 01:59:05,159 --> 01:59:07,600 Speaker 4: So you need a one one name, a one word, 2733 01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:09,600 but I don't want it to be a word that's 2734 01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:11,479 just stupid, you know what I mean. Well, that's what 2735 01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,640 I'm saying. Every good word is taken it. You don't 2736 01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:14,239 have to get deep. 2737 01:59:14,279 --> 01:59:16,399 Speaker 3: You're gonna have to get into some deep like you're 2738 01:59:16,399 --> 01:59:18,159 gonna have to go into like a Latin dictionary. 2739 01:59:18,279 --> 01:59:21,239 Speaker 5: And my guitar player, the old drummer Dean, he came, 2740 01:59:21,399 --> 01:59:23,399 he had one word, and I'm like, what does that 2741 01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:24,079 even mean? 2742 01:59:24,279 --> 01:59:26,319 Speaker 3: Like it sounded cool, you know what I mean, But 2743 01:59:26,520 --> 01:59:30,159 like I'm like, I don't know, Yeah, it's funny man, 2744 01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:33,279 And uh yeah, so it's it's it's more on like 2745 01:59:33,319 --> 01:59:34,119 the metal core path. 2746 01:59:34,199 --> 01:59:37,000 Speaker 5: You say, yeah, yeah, I mean it's been tough for 2747 01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:41,359 me to like with Haunt season just happening before and 2748 01:59:41,439 --> 01:59:45,479 then not long before that, I did a I was 2749 01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,039 actually an extra for a movie, so I did that 2750 01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,439 for a little bit. So that kind of you know, 2751 01:59:51,399 --> 01:59:53,239 took me away a little bit, So it's it's just 2752 01:59:53,560 --> 01:59:56,079 just been taken a little bit to get everything going. Yeah, 2753 01:59:56,439 --> 01:59:59,520 Like the music's there, it's just I'm I'm I'm the 2754 01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:01,079 guy that it's kind of holding it up, you know 2755 02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:01,439 what I mean? 2756 02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:05,359 Speaker 3: So what's your process for writing lyrics? Do you wait 2757 02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:07,800 till there's music and then write to that or do 2758 02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:08,840 you write ahead of time? 2759 02:00:09,000 --> 02:00:10,399 Speaker 4: Or like? What's your process? 2760 02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:10,560 Speaker 3: Like? 2761 02:00:11,239 --> 02:00:14,800 Speaker 5: I actually do write to the music, Like what My 2762 02:00:15,399 --> 02:00:17,880 My usual thing is, I listen to stuff and I 2763 02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:21,319 come up with vocal patterns first. I come up with 2764 02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:25,119 inflections and patterns in my head and I literally will 2765 02:00:25,159 --> 02:00:28,680 just sing gibberish at practice, like the same things over 2766 02:00:28,720 --> 02:00:31,279 and over again, just to kind of get an idea 2767 02:00:31,399 --> 02:00:33,840 of how I want to do my vocals, and then 2768 02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,159 I will actually set the lyrics. 2769 02:00:35,199 --> 02:00:36,640 Speaker 4: After that, I'll write the lyrics to that. 2770 02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,560 Speaker 5: I'll come up with it with my ideas of what 2771 02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,920 I want to write it about, and just structure it 2772 02:00:43,279 --> 02:00:45,800 with the vocal patterns and inflections that I made, you 2773 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,279 know what I mean. That's how I find it the easiest, 2774 02:00:48,319 --> 02:00:49,760 you know what I mean. I know a lot of 2775 02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:52,239 people do, Like they'll write lyrics and then try to 2776 02:00:52,319 --> 02:00:54,399 fit that to that. I just have a hard time 2777 02:00:54,479 --> 02:00:55,359 doing that, you know what I mean. 2778 02:00:55,439 --> 02:00:56,800 Speaker 4: With Iti, that's how I did it. 2779 02:00:57,119 --> 02:00:59,359 Speaker 5: You did it ahead of time or yeah kind of 2780 02:00:59,560 --> 02:01:00,760 or like the you know what I mean. 2781 02:01:01,039 --> 02:01:04,159 Speaker 3: But now like with war Machine or this other uh, 2782 02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:08,279 this other band, I'm not mentioning it yet because I 2783 02:01:08,319 --> 02:01:10,359 just want to wait till we have stuff recorded come 2784 02:01:10,399 --> 02:01:10,800 out hard. 2785 02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:15,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I find writing to the music is 2786 02:01:15,279 --> 02:01:18,039 way better. And I do kind of the same. 2787 02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:20,600 Speaker 3: Thing, like, and that's the thing you gotta get over. 2788 02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:22,520 You gotta be good friends with some of these guys 2789 02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:25,359 to be singing gibberish like oh god, yeah stuff. Well, 2790 02:01:25,399 --> 02:01:27,760 half the time they don't know what they're doing anyway, yea. 2791 02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:30,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, like even with any Ears because we play within 2792 02:01:30,239 --> 02:01:32,760 ears and stuff and like, and they could hear me 2793 02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:35,479 the whole time. But then I don't think they're even 2794 02:01:35,520 --> 02:01:36,039 paying attention. 2795 02:01:36,199 --> 02:01:39,079 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well yeah, they're working on Yeah. But I 2796 02:01:39,159 --> 02:01:41,880 find that that makes it better. And it took me 2797 02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,520 a long time to learn that. You know, when you're 2798 02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:46,199 a kid and you're you know, sixteen, and you're writ 2799 02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:48,359 and you're just mad and you're yelling, but it's like 2800 02:01:48,439 --> 02:01:51,119 you got to use the vocals as another instrument. Yeah, 2801 02:01:51,319 --> 02:01:53,159 it's another instrument, you know what I mean. You gotta 2802 02:01:53,239 --> 02:01:54,760 and you gotta do it in that way, even when 2803 02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:57,880 it's doing like heavy yelling, streaming vocals, like you got 2804 02:01:58,000 --> 02:01:59,159 to treat it like an instrument. 2805 02:01:59,239 --> 02:02:01,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you're gonna make it stand out. 2806 02:02:02,119 --> 02:02:03,079 Speaker 4: But I do the same thing as you. 2807 02:02:03,199 --> 02:02:05,399 Speaker 3: I might have ideas for songs, yeah, things that I 2808 02:02:05,479 --> 02:02:08,560 want to write about, absolutely, and then I'll listen. I'll 2809 02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:11,319 keep listening, like we'll record something at practice or like 2810 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,960 you know, and you know, and it's like I keep 2811 02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,800 listening to like like then I'll get like and I'll 2812 02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:19,000 look through like my notes on my phone and then 2813 02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:21,000 if I see something that there's like sometimes i'll just 2814 02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:22,520 see the words and it like it's like a hook 2815 02:02:22,520 --> 02:02:25,079 and it like fits into something, and then I can 2816 02:02:26,199 --> 02:02:28,319 then it's almost like sometimes I can download like it 2817 02:02:28,359 --> 02:02:29,399 all just comes out like. 2818 02:02:29,600 --> 02:02:31,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to say that I've never done 2819 02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:34,359 it that way because I have. Like sometimes I'll just 2820 02:02:34,399 --> 02:02:36,279 be thinking of things and I'll be like, oh, that's 2821 02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:38,600 cool thing for for a lyric or something. I'll just 2822 02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:40,560 I'll put it in my notes in my phone too, 2823 02:02:41,039 --> 02:02:43,920 and I'll just but then other times I just forget 2824 02:02:43,960 --> 02:02:45,520 it and I'm like, what the hell was. 2825 02:02:45,560 --> 02:02:47,000 Speaker 4: That thing I was thinking about, you know what I mean. 2826 02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:50,640 Speaker 5: Like, so like I always find it a lot easier 2827 02:02:50,800 --> 02:02:56,560 when I'll literally have like my guitar player James ridiculously 2828 02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,560 good like with with writing. Yeah, he'll he writes and 2829 02:03:00,680 --> 02:03:03,640 he comes with like full songs like on a on 2830 02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:07,680 a freaking sends us MP three's of like full songs 2831 02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:11,479 and we're like, holy shit, like it's insane. But anyway, 2832 02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:14,680 and then obviously we take we can take liberties and whatnot, 2833 02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,119 and the drummer can do different things if he wants to, 2834 02:03:17,359 --> 02:03:19,000 and guitar player can do his own. 2835 02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:20,840 Speaker 4: Thing, but it's basic ideas. 2836 02:03:21,239 --> 02:03:23,640 Speaker 5: So like it's cool because I can take those and 2837 02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:26,159 just listen to them when I'm driving around working and stuff, 2838 02:03:26,199 --> 02:03:30,000 you know, because my day job, I'm driving around all 2839 02:03:30,079 --> 02:03:31,800 the time all over New England. So like I can 2840 02:03:31,960 --> 02:03:34,560 just put that on and just listen to it and 2841 02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:37,760 listen to it until it starts connecting. The only problem 2842 02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:40,760 is sometimes you'll get something in your head of what 2843 02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:43,359 you're thinking you want to do, and then you try 2844 02:03:43,399 --> 02:03:45,079 it and you don't like it. It's hard to like 2845 02:03:45,479 --> 02:03:48,560 change thing. So it's hard to go all right, well 2846 02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:52,039 that sucks, how can I make that better? And then 2847 02:03:52,079 --> 02:03:54,800 you keep going back to that part that you think sucks. 2848 02:03:55,439 --> 02:03:57,119 But then sometimes the guys will be. 2849 02:03:57,119 --> 02:03:59,279 Speaker 4: Like, dude, I love that part you're doing there and 2850 02:03:59,359 --> 02:03:59,640 this and that. 2851 02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:02,039 Speaker 5: I'm like, I hate it, you know, I like, but 2852 02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:06,079 you know, it all depends, you know, absolutely, And I'm 2853 02:04:06,119 --> 02:04:09,680 also very open with with telling people, you know, like 2854 02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,960 we're a very collective when it comes to writing and stuff, 2855 02:04:13,000 --> 02:04:15,800 Like obviously James comes up with the ideas and most 2856 02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,760 of the time it's it's pretty much what it is. 2857 02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:18,800 Speaker 4: But then when it. 2858 02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,600 Speaker 5: Comes to like writing together, like I like to be 2859 02:04:21,720 --> 02:04:24,960 there and actually like give my two cents on stuff, because, yeah, 2860 02:04:25,239 --> 02:04:28,039 I mean off enough that I've been playing music for 2861 02:04:28,079 --> 02:04:30,520 a long time, so I kind of have an okay 2862 02:04:30,680 --> 02:04:33,560 years to know what I think might work somewhere. So 2863 02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:36,840 I'll be like, hey try this, Yeah, try that. You know, 2864 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:40,479 I actually had when On your Deathbed first started, we 2865 02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:44,119 had another drummer, and like he hated the fact that 2866 02:04:44,199 --> 02:04:45,840 I'd be like, hey try this, so try that. 2867 02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:46,560 Speaker 4: He quit. 2868 02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:48,640 Speaker 5: He quit the fucking band because he didn't like that. 2869 02:04:48,720 --> 02:04:50,079 I actually had some input. 2870 02:04:50,279 --> 02:04:51,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. 2871 02:04:51,479 --> 02:04:53,439 Speaker 5: I wasn't telling him you have to play this. I 2872 02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:54,880 was like, hey, try this, try that. 2873 02:04:55,119 --> 02:04:55,680 Speaker 4: He didn't like that. 2874 02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:58,840 Speaker 3: And also sometimes you get understand like certain things are 2875 02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:00,439 going to work with like what you hearing in your 2876 02:05:00,479 --> 02:05:02,479 head for the words, you know what it's like, Hey, 2877 02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:06,279 you know, maybe try you know that, you know. But yeah, 2878 02:05:06,319 --> 02:05:08,359 I find that if I listen to it like you like, 2879 02:05:08,399 --> 02:05:10,479 I'll listen to it a bunch, and then I can 2880 02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:12,800 write way easier when it's stuck in my head. Yeah, 2881 02:05:13,039 --> 02:05:14,520 at the point where it's stuck in my head, then 2882 02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:16,479 I can stop, Like I don't know, subconsciously, you have 2883 02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,279 a wake up and you have a bunch of god yeah, 2884 02:05:18,279 --> 02:05:20,960 and you're gonna write them down like like like you know, 2885 02:05:21,159 --> 02:05:23,960 like get your phone and you're like squinting and it's 2886 02:05:24,119 --> 02:05:24,840 three in the morning. 2887 02:05:25,039 --> 02:05:27,039 Speaker 4: Especially when I download, and especially. 2888 02:05:26,760 --> 02:05:29,079 Speaker 5: When I have an idea in my head and you 2889 02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:33,880 any like you know, sometimes I'll just write about like, uh, zombie, 2890 02:05:34,039 --> 02:05:37,319 like a zombie thing, and I'll be like, it's almost 2891 02:05:37,359 --> 02:05:38,239 like a movie. 2892 02:05:38,039 --> 02:05:38,800 Speaker 4: Playing in my head. 2893 02:05:38,840 --> 02:05:40,399 Speaker 5: I know every single part, you know what I mean, 2894 02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:45,000 Like you know where it's going. Yeah, So it's sometimes 2895 02:05:45,039 --> 02:05:46,439 it's great how that works. 2896 02:05:46,239 --> 02:05:46,359 Speaker 4: You know. 2897 02:05:46,479 --> 02:05:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, yeah, it's it's weird because like 2898 02:05:51,279 --> 02:05:53,359 everyone's like, oh, vocalist is the easiest. You don't get 2899 02:05:53,359 --> 02:05:55,279 to carry nothing. You're gonna do nothing. It's like, yeah, 2900 02:05:55,319 --> 02:05:57,720 but we can't practice like we're gonna do drive around 2901 02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,239 and yell, you know what I mean, yellow. 2902 02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:01,359 Speaker 4: That is what I do. I know, I know, I know, 2903 02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:01,720 I know. 2904 02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:03,800 Speaker 3: I've done it too, Like especially before a show with 2905 02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:05,880 something like you're gonna get your throat warmed up, especially 2906 02:06:06,439 --> 02:06:08,039 you know, we're not crooning, you know what I mean, 2907 02:06:08,479 --> 02:06:10,279 you gotta get that thing broken in. 2908 02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,439 Speaker 5: But it's tough, you know what I mean. It's like, 2909 02:06:14,039 --> 02:06:15,960 but yeah, I know you're right. It's like the guitar 2910 02:06:16,039 --> 02:06:18,239 players can sit there and just noodle all freaking night. 2911 02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:21,000 Speaker 4: If they want, if you get the calluses built up. 2912 02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:25,239 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, but yeah, singers, we we kind of just 2913 02:06:25,319 --> 02:06:28,560 gotta you know, like you said, drive around in our car. 2914 02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:30,880 It's not like we're just gonna be belding. Hey, uh, 2915 02:06:31,319 --> 02:06:33,560 you know, tell my wife. Yeah, I'll talk to you later. 2916 02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:34,840 I'm just gonna yell in the other room for a 2917 02:06:34,840 --> 02:06:35,680 little Yeah, let me go. 2918 02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:38,680 Speaker 3: My sound proof, padded room and scream like a lunatic 2919 02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:39,960 for forty five minutes. 2920 02:06:40,359 --> 02:06:42,199 Speaker 5: One time when I when I was trying out for 2921 02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:45,319 a band, like it was in in in the interim 2922 02:06:45,359 --> 02:06:48,239 of between bands, like Shai Halud was looking for a singer, 2923 02:06:48,640 --> 02:06:52,039 and I was talking to Matt and he sent me files. 2924 02:06:52,119 --> 02:06:54,279 He's like, hey, check to check put these files. And 2925 02:06:55,399 --> 02:06:56,760 at the time, I'm like, what the fuck am I 2926 02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:57,600 supposed to do with these? 2927 02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:57,840 Speaker 4: You know? 2928 02:06:58,359 --> 02:07:00,720 Speaker 5: So I had a garage band and on my my 2929 02:07:01,239 --> 02:07:03,840 my freaking mac in my my house. We didn't even 2930 02:07:03,880 --> 02:07:05,520 have a computer stand. It was just like on our 2931 02:07:05,600 --> 02:07:07,720 kitchen table, you know what I mean. Yeah, So I 2932 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:10,800 took a rock band microphone, I plugged it into that 2933 02:07:11,359 --> 02:07:14,279 and then I just literally just recorded to that and 2934 02:07:14,319 --> 02:07:15,720 then sent it to him and he was like, oh, 2935 02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,600 well it sounds pretty good, but could you do any better? 2936 02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:19,920 So I ended up having to go to studio. But 2937 02:07:19,960 --> 02:07:22,560 it's just like, but I did that like in my living. 2938 02:07:22,359 --> 02:07:24,119 Speaker 4: Room, you know what I mean. That was like, yeah, 2939 02:07:24,119 --> 02:07:27,359 I was using a little play mic in the living 2940 02:07:27,439 --> 02:07:30,920 room in my house. Yeah yeah, but it's like it's 2941 02:07:31,279 --> 02:07:33,439 it's not realistic. This is basically what it is, you know. 2942 02:07:34,039 --> 02:07:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, cool, So what's going so with that band. 2943 02:07:38,840 --> 02:07:40,359 You guys are just getting it back together. 2944 02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:45,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, we uh we since Hot Seasons done, I'm able 2945 02:07:45,039 --> 02:07:46,079 to stop practicing more. 2946 02:07:46,199 --> 02:07:48,279 Speaker 3: I mean we're only it was like November thirteenth. Yeah, 2947 02:07:48,319 --> 02:07:50,119 you just wrapped it up like just weeks ago. 2948 02:07:50,359 --> 02:07:53,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we uh so we practiced on Tuesday last 2949 02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:57,920 week and we're gonna be practicing again this coming uh Tuesday, 2950 02:07:57,960 --> 02:07:58,640 this coming week. 2951 02:07:59,159 --> 02:08:00,359 Speaker 4: So it's it's going well. 2952 02:08:00,359 --> 02:08:01,960 Speaker 5: I mean we got, like I said, we got about 2953 02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:05,199 five or six songs, like music is done, so I 2954 02:08:05,319 --> 02:08:05,920 just got to put. 2955 02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:06,880 Speaker 4: My my vocals to it. 2956 02:08:07,279 --> 02:08:09,640 Speaker 5: We actually got to got a show offer in December, 2957 02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:11,560 but unfortunately we're not gonna be ready for that, you know. 2958 02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:11,880 Speaker 4: What I mean. 2959 02:08:12,039 --> 02:08:14,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's it's like it's crazy, like when 2960 02:08:14,880 --> 02:08:18,319 I want stuff to happen, like I'm not getting offers 2961 02:08:18,479 --> 02:08:20,800 like I want, And then when I got nothing going on, 2962 02:08:21,039 --> 02:08:23,079 I get off like I gotta. I got an offer 2963 02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:25,159 from a friend of mine to do like a photo shoot, 2964 02:08:25,199 --> 02:08:27,520 and I'm not I'm not available, and and and then 2965 02:08:27,720 --> 02:08:30,199 like a friend of mine is like, hey, you want 2966 02:08:30,199 --> 02:08:31,560 to play the show in December. 2967 02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,960 Speaker 4: I'm like I would love to, but we're we're not ready. 2968 02:08:34,199 --> 02:08:34,720 You know what I mean. 2969 02:08:35,359 --> 02:08:38,800 Speaker 5: So it's it's you know, but hopefully that that'll get 2970 02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:41,840 people really kind of wanting it more because we can't. 2971 02:08:41,640 --> 02:08:42,520 Speaker 4: Do it right yet, you know. 2972 02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:45,199 Speaker 3: So yeah, well because because I would be like, yo, 2973 02:08:45,319 --> 02:08:47,119 give everyone a link or something way to promote him, 2974 02:08:47,239 --> 02:08:47,880 like you don't got a name. 2975 02:08:48,439 --> 02:08:49,479 Speaker 4: We'll keep it. We'll keep it. 2976 02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:53,920 Speaker 3: We'll keep everyone updated. And when you do have something, 2977 02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:55,600 let me know too. Even if you want to leak it, 2978 02:08:55,680 --> 02:09:00,279 we can maybe test it. Let the Patreons. We put 2979 02:09:00,319 --> 02:09:01,680 it out to the general, but we can let the 2980 02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:03,840 Patreon subscribers get a sneak peek. 2981 02:09:04,359 --> 02:09:06,800 Speaker 5: I mean, if people want to follow me on social media, 2982 02:09:07,039 --> 02:09:09,199 just follow me. I'll be posting about what's going on, 2983 02:09:09,399 --> 02:09:11,359 you know. So if people want to do that, you 2984 02:09:11,439 --> 02:09:11,960 get to tell them. 2985 02:09:13,640 --> 02:09:14,840 Speaker 4: You can go to Instagram. 2986 02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:19,319 Speaker 5: I'm ex Bob thirteen x on Instagram, just Bob Mendel 2987 02:09:19,399 --> 02:09:20,039 on Facebook. 2988 02:09:20,399 --> 02:09:20,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 2989 02:09:21,439 --> 02:09:22,680 Speaker 4: I think that's pretty much it. 2990 02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:25,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll make sure that's in the show notes so 2991 02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,399 that people if someone's driving, they don't get to pull 2992 02:09:28,479 --> 02:09:29,640 over and try and write it down there. 2993 02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:32,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can follow drained on on Instagram as well. 2994 02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,119 What's the what's the drain the drained. 2995 02:09:34,239 --> 02:09:38,439 Speaker 5: Is I believe it's drained Massachusetts hardcore and a hardcore 2996 02:09:38,560 --> 02:09:39,399 I think something like that. 2997 02:09:40,359 --> 02:09:41,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll put it on there. 2998 02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:43,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure I follow it any Yeah, and I'm sure 2999 02:09:43,960 --> 02:09:46,560 Roger's listening right now anyway. And yeah, he'll he'll be 3000 02:09:46,640 --> 02:09:48,800 texting me and you're like, Bob, you didn't talk about 3001 02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:53,840 it enough. Yeah, or it'll be like Bob, you talked 3002 02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:54,479 about it too much. 3003 02:09:54,520 --> 02:09:56,520 Speaker 4: We're not playing anytime soon? Yeah, is it? 3004 02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:56,760 Speaker 3: Well? 3005 02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,000 Speaker 4: Is it what I was going to say? I know 3006 02:09:58,039 --> 02:09:59,960 you guys have popped up here and there is anything 3007 02:10:00,119 --> 02:10:02,920 on the table for dreams. No, not at the moment. 3008 02:10:03,079 --> 02:10:04,199 I mean we we pretty much. 3009 02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:08,359 Speaker 5: We played my my fiftieth birthday party in July, and uh, 3010 02:10:08,359 --> 02:10:10,840 because I wanted to play that. We've ended up playing 3011 02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:13,640 at play Arcade and it was a fun, fun show. 3012 02:10:14,479 --> 02:10:17,479 Shout out to Adam and Adam is awesome. I went 3013 02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:19,800 to middle school with Adam. We've been friends for a 3014 02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:23,199 long long time, so I'm really stoked on his his 3015 02:10:23,359 --> 02:10:27,079 stuff and uh, you know his his hot dog shop 3016 02:10:27,239 --> 02:10:29,760 is awesome, bomb dog. I haven't been there yet. 3017 02:10:29,960 --> 02:10:31,800 Speaker 4: That's great. I want to. I'm just not a big 3018 02:10:31,800 --> 02:10:34,279 hot dog guy. Yeah, yeah, I am a big hot 3019 02:10:34,359 --> 02:10:36,960 dog guy, you know, like I know Rogers. Is that 3020 02:10:37,039 --> 02:10:40,359 a dream thing? Is well er Roger? 3021 02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:42,199 Speaker 5: Roger wanted to have a did he tell you about 3022 02:10:42,199 --> 02:10:43,000 his hot dog stand? 3023 02:10:43,159 --> 02:10:44,720 Speaker 4: Dream? And all that all the time. 3024 02:10:45,159 --> 02:10:47,960 Speaker 3: So we have like group we have group text, and 3025 02:10:48,159 --> 02:10:50,560 all it is is sending hot dog things to each other, 3026 02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:52,079 like to like antagonize each other. 3027 02:10:52,319 --> 02:10:52,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. 3028 02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:54,960 Speaker 3: And every day he's sending me, like every week, like 3029 02:10:55,000 --> 02:10:57,279 a hot dog card or something for sale because he 3030 02:10:57,359 --> 02:10:58,840 wants to do it. And I sent him the things 3031 02:10:59,079 --> 02:11:02,479 like the oscar by the truck is looking for drivers. 3032 02:11:02,520 --> 02:11:05,319 I'm like, bro, retirement man. No, No, John Sanouski sent 3033 02:11:05,399 --> 02:11:08,680 that at yeah, and I was like, that's retirement for Rogers. Yeah. 3034 02:11:09,279 --> 02:11:12,960 Speaker 4: Now is the pizza that you have for him? Is 3035 02:11:13,039 --> 02:11:14,199 it got hot dogs on it? 3036 02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:18,119 Speaker 3: So we made a purchase Street Records pizza last year yeah, 3037 02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:20,439 or earlier this year. It came out on Record Store 3038 02:11:20,520 --> 02:11:23,600 Day yep, and it was it was hot dogs onions 3039 02:11:23,720 --> 02:11:26,920 and uh and uh spicy brown mustard. 3040 02:11:26,680 --> 02:11:29,239 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, drizzle. Yeah, So it's got to have hot dogs. 3041 02:11:29,239 --> 02:11:30,840 If it's Rogers, he likes his gag is. 3042 02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:34,800 Speaker 3: The All Centers one. It's not, it's it's a chicken, 3043 02:11:35,239 --> 02:11:38,560 onions and garlic with a with their hot sauce. Oh yeah, yeah, 3044 02:11:38,960 --> 02:11:40,680 but we're gonna have to cut the hot sauce with 3045 02:11:40,840 --> 02:11:43,199 something to make it flow better because it just comes 3046 02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:44,399 out to char It's just a mess. 3047 02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:46,159 Speaker 4: Yeah work like we were trying it today. 3048 02:11:46,399 --> 02:11:49,119 Speaker 3: So we're gonna probably cut it with with a ranch 3049 02:11:49,239 --> 02:11:51,119 or something because then it'll smooth it out and make 3050 02:11:51,159 --> 02:11:52,079 it Yeah. 3051 02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:55,239 Speaker 5: Other thing people should watch out for is, like I 3052 02:11:55,279 --> 02:11:58,319 said earlier, I was an extra on a m Night 3053 02:11:58,359 --> 02:12:01,680 Shyamalan movie. Oh yeah, what's what it's called? Remain It's 3054 02:12:02,199 --> 02:12:02,960 Jake Gillenhall. 3055 02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:03,720 Speaker 3: It was. 3056 02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:07,520 Speaker 5: It was filmed in uh in Bristol, Rhode Island, and Uh, 3057 02:12:08,119 --> 02:12:10,720 I got to you know, do do a little extra 3058 02:12:10,840 --> 02:12:12,279 bit on that. So that was kind of cool. 3059 02:12:12,359 --> 02:12:13,199 Speaker 4: How did you hook up with that? 3060 02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:18,199 Speaker 5: A friend of mine works for the the UH the 3061 02:12:18,319 --> 02:12:20,600 Extras and and What Night. He's a p A on 3062 02:12:20,720 --> 02:12:21,439 this on the set. 3063 02:12:21,880 --> 02:12:21,960 Speaker 4: Uh. 3064 02:12:22,039 --> 02:12:24,159 Speaker 5: He does a lot of stuff like he's actually right 3065 02:12:24,199 --> 02:12:26,359 now working on the Walking Dead, Dead City. 3066 02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:30,439 Speaker 4: Nice series that they're doing. UH film in Brockton. 3067 02:12:30,520 --> 02:12:33,560 Speaker 5: Actually yeah, yeah, I went sarmon UH on the set 3068 02:12:34,479 --> 02:12:35,279 a couple of weeks ago. 3069 02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:38,319 Speaker 4: Dude as a Haunter. You should get all in and 3070 02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:40,319 be you know, it's funny, is I. 3071 02:12:40,399 --> 02:12:42,359 Speaker 5: I didn't realize it was going on until it was 3072 02:12:42,399 --> 02:12:45,239 already going on, so I I I applied to do 3073 02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:47,880 to be an extra in that too. So I did 3074 02:12:47,960 --> 02:12:50,279 extra work for that Jungle Land movie with Charlie Hunt 3075 02:12:50,439 --> 02:12:53,479 and New Bedford a few years ago, like right before COVID. 3076 02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:56,680 And it came out literally in the theaters during COVID. 3077 02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:59,159 Speaker 4: So no one went. You know, it didn't even get 3078 02:12:59,199 --> 02:13:00,920 a blue l a blu ray release. 3079 02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:02,840 Speaker 5: They just got a DVD. So I'm like, oh man, 3080 02:13:02,880 --> 02:13:05,520 I got screwed out of that. But hey, I'm in 3081 02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:06,840 a scene with Charlie Hunt them you know. 3082 02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:09,359 Speaker 4: There you go, there you go you know yeah man. 3083 02:13:09,439 --> 02:13:10,439 And and that's the thing. 3084 02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:13,119 Speaker 3: I feel like that's the thing, like another thing with 3085 02:13:13,239 --> 02:13:15,880 like hardcore kids, Like there's always a everyone hustles, you 3086 02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:16,399 know what I mean. 3087 02:13:17,039 --> 02:13:18,920 Speaker 5: Well, I just try to get myself doing stuff. 3088 02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:19,720 Speaker 4: I get. 3089 02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:22,399 Speaker 5: I get bored easy. So I'm like, I gotta do ship, 3090 02:13:22,760 --> 02:13:25,319 you know what i mean. You know, So I did 3091 02:13:25,399 --> 02:13:28,880 some local movies too for some uh some friends of 3092 02:13:28,920 --> 02:13:31,359 mine and stuff, so which is great. You know, there's 3093 02:13:31,359 --> 02:13:34,760 a movie called Sins of the Devil coming out sometime 3094 02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:37,279 this year. Actually, they're in they're in post production, so 3095 02:13:37,399 --> 02:13:40,960 I'm in. I'm actually in that as one of the characters. 3096 02:13:41,439 --> 02:13:42,920 Speaker 4: So it's pretty cool. Yeah. 3097 02:13:43,000 --> 02:13:45,720 Speaker 3: Man, So so you got some acting, you got some 3098 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:49,399 some some hardcore, some some metal or metal core, you 3099 02:13:49,479 --> 02:13:50,880 got some honts, you got. 3100 02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:56,039 Speaker 5: Okay, it's like it's like we were talking about earlier, 3101 02:13:56,119 --> 02:13:59,319 like I do too much. I should focus on one thing, 3102 02:13:59,479 --> 02:14:00,560 but that's how I am. 3103 02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:02,760 Speaker 3: Man, I'm all over the place too, I understand. I 3104 02:14:02,840 --> 02:14:05,159 think that's ADHD or something. Yeah. 3105 02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:09,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, well thanks man, we're gonna we're a couple hours 3106 02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:10,039 in here. 3107 02:14:10,199 --> 02:14:12,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we could probably talk for another company. 3108 02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:14,920 Speaker 4: Yes, well, we'll save that for the next one. 3109 02:14:14,920 --> 02:14:17,680 Speaker 3: When you get the record ready, you know what I mean, 3110 02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:20,640 we'll do it again. Nice but yeah, man, straight edge. 3111 02:14:20,840 --> 02:14:24,479 We hit everything all right. But thanks for coming on everyone, 3112 02:14:24,520 --> 02:14:27,279 give them a follow. The links will be in the 3113 02:14:27,319 --> 02:14:32,920 show notes. And yeah, until next time, keep it locked. Yes, yes, 3114 02:14:33,079 --> 02:14:36,800 thank you all for listening to this episode of the podcast. 3115 02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:39,640 And you know what to do next. 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