1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,759 Speaker 1: You just imagine, right, the desert floor, just fractured and uncompromising, 2 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:07,080 stretching out under this impossible sky. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,839 Speaker 2: That's the Nevada Test and Training Range. You can almost 4 00:00:09,919 --> 00:00:14,000 feel the weight of not just history, but of silence. 5 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: Exactly silence. When you think Area fifty one, you think secrecy, peak, 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:23,359 government secrecy. You think about stealth planes, experimental aircraft. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,879 Speaker 2: Right, black projects, the stuff we expect them to be hiding. 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,079 That's just the surface level, and often that's the intentional distraction. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: So what's a real question we should be asking? 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,359 Speaker 2: The real exploration here, the one that changes everything, forces 11 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:36,719 you to ask something far more difficult. What if the 12 00:00:36,759 --> 00:00:39,159 secrets aren't about what technology. 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Is being hidden, but who's doing the hiding. 14 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: And more importantly, where they and their frankly astonishing technology 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,719 actually came from. The stories don't point to just a 16 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:52,920 military project. They converge on something like an ongoing interspecies collaboration. 17 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads today. Our mission is to unpack 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,399 this incredibly complex and often corroborated stack of claims surrounding 19 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:05,680 the world's most famous secret base. 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: We're synthesizing a whole dossier of sources, but we're mainly 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,599 focusing on a recent compilation of claims from the History Channel. 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's from their YouTube video inside look at Area 23 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:19,280 fifty one New theories revealed ancient alien's history. It's a 24 00:01:19,519 --> 00:01:21,200 real deep collection of accounts. 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,519 Speaker 2: And these accounts are from high ranking military officers, senior scientists, engineers, 26 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:29,439 people who claim to have intimate knowledge of a history 27 00:01:29,439 --> 00:01:34,000 that involves alien contact, reverse engineering, and I mean deep 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,400 multi generational government cover ups. 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: We need to look at not just the sensational claims, 30 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,319 but the patterns. 31 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: The consistent overlaps. That's what's so compelling. You have all 32 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:46,120 these diverse accounts that somehow improbably line up. 33 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because the narrative, according to these sources, 34 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:53,400 it doesn't start quietly. It doesn't begin with a silent 35 00:01:53,439 --> 00:01:54,680 crash in a field somewhere. 36 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:57,319 Speaker 2: No, not at all. It starts with humanity showing off 37 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:01,840 its greatest and most destructive power, an unmistakable trigger. We 38 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:05,560 can pinpoint the inciting incident, I mean precisely. The date 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,439 is May nineteenth, nineteen fifty three. The time is five 40 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:11,080 point zero five am. Yeah, where are we We're at 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,680 the yucka Flat, Nevada, test site. This was during a 42 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:17,759 major series of nuclear detonations. The whole operation was called upshot, 43 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:18,639 not hole, and. 44 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: You need to understand upshot not hole wasn't a small test. 45 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,159 This is a series of eleven nuclear explosions in the 46 00:02:25,159 --> 00:02:29,319 spring of fifty three. They were refining tactical nukes, testing 47 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:30,479 new delivery systems. 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 2: It was the absolute height of Cold war paranoia. And 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,879 this is where the timeline gets critical. Within seconds, literally 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,319 seconds of that enormous atomic flash, multiple independent witnesses reported 51 00:02:44,319 --> 00:02:46,759 seeing the same thing, a disc shaped object, a disc 52 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,439 shaped object rapidly descending from the sky. It was moving 53 00:02:50,479 --> 00:02:53,360 at an almost impossible speed, heading south toward Las Vegas 54 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,080 before it just vanished into the mountains. 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: So the implication is the blast did something to it. 56 00:02:57,319 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: That's what the source suggests. The sheer energy of that 57 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,000 last maybe a specific electromagnetic pulse an EMP, or just 58 00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:06,039 the violent release of energy. It might have been the 59 00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:10,479 direct catalyst. It either disabled or severely disoriented the craft. 60 00:03:10,599 --> 00:03:14,039 Speaker 1: That's like a movie scene, the moment humanity unleashes this 61 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:15,639 apocalypse level. 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: Tech, a superior technology shows up and is apparently crippled 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:20,000 by it, and. 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: The retrieval operation begins almost immediately, but not at the 65 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:24,639 test site. 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: No far from it. Just forty eight hours later. The 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,199 government moves, and they move fast. A highly classified team 68 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,000 of forty engineers was secretly assembled in Phoenix, Arizona. 69 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:36,479 Speaker 1: Forty engineers, and they. 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: Were given an immediate top secret assignment investigate a crash 71 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:43,120 site about one hundred and seventy five miles south of 72 00:03:43,159 --> 00:03:46,400 the nuke test site, near the little town of Kingman, Arizona. 73 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: So put yourself in the shoes of one of those engineers, right. 74 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: You're driven for hours in total secrecy. You get there 75 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,120 in the dead of night. The scene is swarming with 76 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,919 military police floodlights pointed at the center of the desert. 77 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,199 Speaker 1: The source is described the objects so vividly, a forty 78 00:04:02,199 --> 00:04:06,080 foot diameter, disshaped craft. But here's the detail that just 79 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,360 breaks everything, the one that contradicts all our assumptions about 80 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:09,800 a crash. 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,199 Speaker 2: It was reported to be perfectly intact. 82 00:04:11,879 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: Perfectly intact, not a single scratch on it. 83 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,959 Speaker 2: And that detail is a massive anomaly. I mean, if 84 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:19,639 a craft is disabled and hits the ground, it should 85 00:04:19,639 --> 00:04:22,160 be a debris field scattered everywhere. Of course, the fact 86 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:27,839 that it was whole suggests what incredible structural resilience, A 87 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,079 soft touched landing system that partially worked. Maybe it was 88 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,480 even an intentional controlled glide failure. It wasn't just metal. 89 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:37,360 It was a complete intact vehicle. 90 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: And there was more than just the vehicle. 91 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: Yes, associated with it, or perhaps inside it were four 92 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,079 non human entities. 93 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: So now the US government has it, Yeah, a wholly intact, 94 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:52,839 technologically superior craft from somewhere else and four biological entities 95 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:53,279 to go with it. 96 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:54,879 Speaker 2: They need a place to put it, a place that's 97 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,800 more secure than any conventional military base on Earth. 98 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: And they find one groom Like. 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,079 Speaker 2: Exactly at the time, the place that would become Area 100 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,959 fifty one was, as the source puts it, just bare bones. 101 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,240 It was a remote, dry, empty landscape, perfect isolation. They 102 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,079 chose that valley, hidden deep inside a ring of mountains 103 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:15,399 for its absolute secrecy, Area fifty one. The base we 104 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,800 know was subsequently built around this initial location. 105 00:05:18,199 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: So the theory isn't that the base was built for 106 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:22,240 the U two spyplane program. 107 00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: The theory is that the base was founded specifically to 108 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:29,160 contain the Kingmen. Retrieval The U two is the perfect 109 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,439 cover story later on, and. 110 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:32,959 Speaker 1: This brings us to the key figures with key entities, 111 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,439 I should say, the survivor of that Kingman incident. 112 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,759 Speaker 2: The being that linguists at the facility allegedly gave the 113 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,360 designation Jrod. 114 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: Jrod. He's central to this whole narrative, isn't he? 115 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:47,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely. The story is that this being's entire mission was 116 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,079 to help the US government reverse engineer the technology from 117 00:05:51,079 --> 00:05:52,680 that nineteen fifty three craft. 118 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: And we have two very specific individuals who claimed direct involvement. 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: With him, Yes, Captain bill Yuse and a microbiologist named 120 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,040 Dan Burrish. 121 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,519 Speaker 1: Let's start with Use. Former Navy pilot moved into experimental 122 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,879 testing for the Air Force. He claimed he was assigned 123 00:06:07,879 --> 00:06:10,439 to Area fifty one in the mid nineteen sixties, right. 124 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: And his job was to study the kingmancraft, and eventually 125 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,519 he claimed he had direct contact with Jrod. 126 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: The description of that communication is it was bizarre, It's fascinating. 127 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:23,199 Speaker 2: UDA's claimed j Rod could talk, but the sound was 128 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:26,360 highly artificial. He said it sounded like a parrot. 129 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: Like a parrot just mimicking. 130 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: That was the impression, an entity mimicking human speech patterns 131 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:35,519 rather than naturally forming them. And the content was just 132 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,839 as strange. There was a critical constraint on their dialogue. 133 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,519 Speaker 1: What was that. 134 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,879 Speaker 2: Jerrod's advice was strictly and I mean strictly limited to 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,680 engineering advice or science advice, nothing else. 136 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,879 Speaker 1: That must have been incredibly frustrating for the engineers. You 137 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,000 have this ultimate source of cosmic knowledge sitting right there, 138 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:56,560 and all you can get are technical specs. 139 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: Well, think about it. If jay Rod sounded like a parrot, 140 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,839 how could they even be sure the complex scientific concepts 141 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,360 were being translated correctly. 142 00:07:04,519 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: The risk of misinterpretation would be huge. You could have 143 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,680 catastrophic misapplications of the technology. 144 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: It's a critical point. It speaks to either a limitation 145 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:17,680 in Jrod's ability to communicate across this massive biological and 146 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:22,040 linguistic divide, or or what or something far more intriguing, 147 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:25,680 a highly specific protocol of engagement. Maybe it wasn't a 148 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,519 collaboration but a transaction. Just the schematics exactly. The entity 149 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,040 provides only the necessary technical data, maybe to limit the 150 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:38,600 spiritual or philosophical impact on humanity. The language difficulty could 151 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,079 have been a built in safeguard, forcing the humans to 152 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:42,879 focus only on the hard science. 153 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: And then you have Dan Burisch the microbiologist. He provides 154 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,360 the continuity for this story right. 155 00:07:48,519 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: He claimed he was hired specifically to provide care for 156 00:07:51,199 --> 00:07:55,759 Jrod over many years. This suggests Jrod wasn't a prisoner 157 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,160 or a temporary asset. 158 00:07:57,279 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: He was a long term resident, one that required complex 159 00:08:00,959 --> 00:08:02,079 biological maintenance. 160 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: And their accounts converge on the location. Both US and 161 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,360 Burish claimed Jrod was housed in a special, highly secured 162 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,279 underground chamber. US even specified it was a secret lab 163 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:15,360 deep within the Papoose Mountains, which. 164 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: Is a distinct, heavily guarded section of the area fifty 165 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:18,959 one complex. 166 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: It all points to a multi decade commitment by the 167 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,519 US government to exploit this one single asset and its craft. 168 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Okay, so the story of j Rod suggests this deep 169 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,320 underground scientific and technological collaboration. But the material also suggests 170 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,399 it wasn't just about engineering. It extended into geopolitics. 171 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: It really does. We're moving from the lab bench, to 172 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,960 believe it or not, the Oval Office. 173 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,879 Speaker 1: This broadens the narrative into something even more provocative. 174 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,759 Speaker 2: It's the idea that the government was engaging with these 175 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:52,039 non human entities on multiple levels, not just getting texbecs, 176 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,080 but receiving policy and well Diplomatic Council. 177 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: And the most detailed account of this kind of presidential 178 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,440 contact involves an individual named Valiant Thor. 179 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: Right, if j Rod was the scientific consultant stuck in 180 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:08,279 a lab at Area fifty one, Valiant. 181 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,519 Speaker 1: Thor was allegedly the extraterrestrial ambassador operating openly in Washington, DC. 182 00:09:12,799 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: The account comes mainly from Frank Strange's a chaplain, who 183 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,279 claimed he held top secret clearance and look at the 184 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,240 date nineteen fifty seven, it aligns perfectly with the burgeoning 185 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:23,840 operations at Area fifty one. 186 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: The story goes that in nineteen fifty seven, a UFO 187 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,320 landed dramatically in Virginia, right near the nation's capital. 188 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,919 Speaker 2: And when the police showed up, a gentleman steps out, 189 00:09:34,279 --> 00:09:37,879 Valiant Thor. He looked entirely human mostly but crucially he 190 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,639 demanded to see the president, whit d Eisenhower. 191 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: And the reaction to the authorities is what's so telling. 192 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,039 Speaker 2: Exactly. He wasn't thrown in a stockade. He was taken 193 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,799 directly to the Pentagon. This implies that protocols for this 194 00:09:49,879 --> 00:09:52,519 kind of thing were either already in place or they 195 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,879 immediately recognized the gravity of the situation, A meeting with 196 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,080 Eisenhower was arranged and quickly. 197 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,039 Speaker 1: So what was the message? What did he bring from 198 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,720 the stars to the leader of the free world. 199 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: His core message was one of grave concern, specifically about 200 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,879 humanity's use of nuclear weapons. 201 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:14,399 Speaker 1: So he was advising against proliferation, warning about the atomic age. 202 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 2: And that connects directly back to our inciting incident, doesn't it, 203 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,960 The nineteen fifty three nuclear tests that preceded the Kingman crash. 204 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,840 It suggests a coordinated extraterrestrial reaction to humanity reaching this 205 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,960 critical self destructive technological threshold. 206 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,159 Speaker 1: This just changes the whole dynamic. If jay Rudd was 207 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:32,759 given them. 208 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: The tech, Valiant Thor was providing the moral or political 209 00:10:35,879 --> 00:10:38,879 framework for its use. It reframes the entire Cold War. 210 00:10:38,919 --> 00:10:42,240 It's not just a geopolitical conflict anymore. It's a complex 211 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,120 negotiation between Earth and some kind of cosmic advisory body. 212 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: And the story gets even deeper. Strangers claimed Valiant Thor 213 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,200 didn't just meet with Ike and then leave. 214 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:54,919 Speaker 2: Now. He allegedly stayed on Earth for about three years, 215 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,039 embedded within the Pentagon, interacting with top level government officials. 216 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: Three years an extraterrestrial ambassador advising US policy. I mean, 217 00:11:05,039 --> 00:11:07,919 the implications for global events during the late nineteen fifties 218 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,320 are just staggering. 219 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: Was he influencing space exploration, missile development, international treaties? You 220 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,200 have to wonder. 221 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,279 Speaker 1: The theory is that he was an envoy from a 222 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,840 more advanced civilization and they saw our nuclear arms race 223 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:24,879 as a direct threat. We got just us, but to. 224 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: The stability of the entire planetary system. If j Rod's 225 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,080 faction was the expedient one, here's the tech figure it out. 226 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:34,919 Thor may have represented the cautious moral faction, warning US 227 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:36,039 against misusing it. 228 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: The consistency is what gets me. A new test happens, 229 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,759 a craft immediately crashes or lands. Four years later, a 230 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:45,480 diplomatic envoy shows up and his only concern is nuclear weapons. 231 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: It paints a picture of intelligent oversight, one that reacts 232 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,279 to our technological. 233 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Leaps, which raises that huge question. Was there concern purely 234 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,360 humanitarian or was it about preserving some cosmic balance that 235 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:02,600 are primitive? Destructive technology was threading to upset. 236 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,799 Speaker 2: The valiant Thor story suggests they view Earth as a 237 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:08,799 critical piece in a larger network, a piece that requires 238 00:12:08,799 --> 00:12:13,440 strategic intervention to ensure its survival, and maybe it's compliance 239 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,360 with some kind of galactic norms. 240 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: So we had the engineer j Rod and the ambassador 241 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,440 Valiant Thor. Now let's pivot to the human architect, the 242 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,279 man responsible for building the physical vault where all these 243 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,279 secrets would be kept. 244 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Clarence Kelly Johnson perhaps. 245 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: The most important figure in twentieth century American aviation, no question. 246 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:34,039 Speaker 2: He founded and was the first head of Lockheed's legendary 247 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,639 skunk Works division. He ran it from the forties through 248 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,759 nineteen seventy five. His mainstream credentials are I mean, they're unimpeachable. 249 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: His achievements are just mind bending. During World War Two, 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,559 he initiated the jet age for the US military, developing 251 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,159 the P eighty Shooting Star from concept to flight in 252 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:52,679 an astonishing one hundred and forty three days, and. 253 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: Later he was responsible for the U two spyplane, an 254 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,559 aircraft that could fly at eighty thousand feet, giving the 255 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:01,519 US critical intelligence during the Cold War. He was the 256 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,360 ultimate insider, highly cleared, technical genius, which. 257 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: Is what makes his personal UFO encounter so deeply impactful 258 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:09,519 to this old story. 259 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: The timing is again critical December sixteenth, nineteen fifty three, 260 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,919 just seven months after the nuclear blast and the Kingman. 261 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: Crash, Johnson, along with several of his colleagues, had a 262 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,080 famous sighting in Agura, California. 263 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,159 Speaker 2: He saw what he described as a very very unusual object. 264 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,600 And you have to remember this is the man who 265 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:32,559 knew every secret play in the US was building. He 266 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,080 stated flatly that this object was beyond any known technology 267 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:36,840 of the time, and. 268 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: He reported it. The career risk he took there is 269 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:39,879 just immense. 270 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,639 Speaker 2: It was an era where the government actively mocked UFO claims. 271 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:46,159 For the head of Skunkworks to go on record with 272 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,799 his own sketches, which were then preserved in the Project 273 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:49,759 Blue Book files, he. 274 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,399 Speaker 1: Could have been sidelined, seen as unreliable, lost his clearance, 275 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,799 but he wasn't penalized. 276 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,519 Speaker 2: Two years later he was given one of the most 277 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:01,320 significant defense contracts in history. He played the pivotal role 278 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,960 in founding Area fifty one. 279 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: He was a specific person who identified that remote spot 280 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,639 near Groom Lake. He called it a good strategic location, remote, 281 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,720 surrounded by mountains. 282 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 2: And perfectly designed to keep out prying eyes. 283 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:17,279 Speaker 1: So this is the core of the connection. Was Area 284 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,279 fifty one founded only to test the U two spyplane. 285 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,759 Speaker 2: I mean, the U two was so revolutionary it often 286 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:24,600 looked like a UFO to people on the ground. It 287 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,720 was the perfect cover story. Or did Kelly Johnson, a 288 00:14:27,759 --> 00:14:30,440 man who believed he had personally witnessed an alien craft 289 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:34,320 just months after the king Men retrieval, deliberately choose that 290 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,480 specific isolated location as the best place on Earth to 291 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:41,279 house and reverse engineer the very technology he was now 292 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,279 convinced existed. 293 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,919 Speaker 1: It feels like too much of a coincidence. The greatest 294 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,679 aviation mind of the country sees an impossible craft in 295 00:14:47,759 --> 00:14:50,799 late fifty three. By fifty five, he's the one task 296 00:14:50,919 --> 00:14:53,679 with securing the most secretive patch of desert in America. 297 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,279 Speaker 2: The implication is that he was brought into the highest 298 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,240 levels of the cover up. His technical genius and his 299 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:02,960 personal conviction made him the only one truly equipped to 300 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,240 manage the secrecy required for this this non human technology. 301 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,519 Speaker 1: His role changed. He went from building the cutting edge 302 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,600 of human tech to securing the evidence of tech that 303 00:15:13,679 --> 00:15:15,279 was beyond even his own genius. 304 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: If he was chosen because he was both a technical 305 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,600 master and a true believer, it radically alters the official 306 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:25,440 story of Area fifty one's founding. It's not about experimental 307 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:26,759 aircraft testing anymore. 308 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,039 Speaker 1: It's about intentional technological security for non human assets. 309 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: Decisely, and that security started with Johnson's choice of location 310 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,039 in the fifties. But if you look at satellite images 311 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:40,000 of the base today, the visible part of it, it 312 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:41,240 doesn't seem big enough. 313 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: Not for the scope of the secret programs rumored to 314 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:43,799 be running there. 315 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: And the answer, according to researchers, is that the base 316 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,399 didn't expand outward. It expanded dramatically downward. 317 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: This massive shift to subterranean construction seems inevitable. 318 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,759 Speaker 2: Really, it's a direct response to satellite technology and you know, 319 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:02,759 just the growing number of curious people with long range cameras. 320 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,120 To maintain absolute secrecy, you have to go deep. 321 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: This is where that twenty eighteen investigation by researcher Wolf 322 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:12,120 mccaren and mining expert Christian Grenow comes in. 323 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they shed a lot of light on the scale 324 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:17,279 of the operation. They focused on old Nevada mines like 325 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,240 the Tempute mine. Grenow, who's worked in that region since 326 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,519 the nineties, claimed these old mines of being. 327 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: Repurposed connected to Area fifty one's deep underground. 328 00:16:25,639 --> 00:16:28,559 Speaker 2: Facilities, he said, the visible surface stuff, that's the fifties 329 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:33,240 and sixties footprint. Everything truly secret now happens hundreds, maybe 330 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:34,879 thousands of feet below the surface. 331 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: But if you're doing that much digging, you create a 332 00:16:37,399 --> 00:16:39,000 huge logistical. 333 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,879 Speaker 2: Problem, the dirt problem. It's the biggest issue any massive 334 00:16:41,879 --> 00:16:44,919 construction project faces. Where do you put the dirt? If 335 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,919 you're excavating miles of tunnels, you generate literal mountains of displaced. 336 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,919 Speaker 1: Earth and rock, And Grenaw offered this brilliant and frankly 337 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,639 frighteningly specific solution. 338 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,639 Speaker 2: He claimed, the dirt is taken to nearby mines and 339 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:01,000 put into huge mountains for a process called called heap leaching. 340 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: Okay, we need to slow down and explain heap leaching, 341 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,759 because if this is the secret, it is a stroke 342 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:08,359 of genius in concealment. 343 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:13,039 Speaker 2: It's a legitimate, large scale industrial mining process. It's mainly 344 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,440 used to get metals like popper or gold out of 345 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,359 low grade ore. 346 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: How does it work? 347 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,559 Speaker 2: In simple terms, they pile the crushed rock up hundreds 348 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:23,799 of feet high, usually on a big plastic liner. Then 349 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,480 they run hoses through the pile and leach in a 350 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:28,440 highly reactive chemical. 351 00:17:28,039 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: Solution, something like cyanide or mercury. 352 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: Historically yes, or a combination of strong acids. This solution 353 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,240 slowly dissolves the material, carrying the target metals away with it. 354 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,839 Speaker 1: So instead of a big fresh pile of dirt outside 355 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:44,920 Area fifty one that just screams we're digging a huge tunnel. 356 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,039 Speaker 2: The dirt is moved to an existing remote industrial site, 357 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:51,240 and because of the chemical process, it effectively reduces the 358 00:17:51,319 --> 00:17:53,960 large volume of rock and boulders to nothing, or at 359 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:56,160 least reduces it dramatically. 360 00:17:55,519 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: And at the same time it gives the whole operation 361 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:01,160 a completely plausible cover story of commercial mining. 362 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: It's an untraceable, sustainable way to dispose of the evidence 363 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,279 of deep subterranean excavation. 364 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,559 Speaker 1: And Grenow even alleged that the local miners. 365 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: Were bought off not with cash, but with the valuable 366 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:17,079 material in the ore itself. He claimed the displaced rock 367 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,720 has significant amounts of gold, silver, and lead. The local 368 00:18:20,759 --> 00:18:24,160 miners were apparently happy to accept this material as hush 369 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,240 up money to conceal the base's tunneling operations. 370 00:18:27,279 --> 00:18:30,839 Speaker 1: It's an entire integrated system of industrial camouflage and local 371 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,279 economic bribery. 372 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,319 Speaker 2: And the scope of this underground work. It's believed to 373 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,920 go far beyond just Area fifty one itself. The source 374 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,720 suggests Area fifty one is just one node in a 375 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:43,960 truly vast, interconnected subterranean network. 376 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: The military's original justification for building underground was what protection 377 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:49,319 from a Soviet atomic strike? 378 00:18:49,599 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: Right, But they seem to have taken that idea and 379 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:55,480 just run a marathon with it. This alleged subterranean subway 380 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:58,559 system is believed to be centered around the already massive, 381 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,160 hollowed out Cheyenne Mountain. 382 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,559 Speaker 1: Complex that's nor AD Central Command in Colorado Springs. 383 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,599 Speaker 2: And the alleged connections are continent spanning, using high speed 384 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,160 maglev type trains to shuttle people and technology around. 385 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,279 Speaker 1: And the tunnels are said to connect Cheyenne Mountain to 386 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,319 five key sites. 387 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: Yes number one Dulshane, New Mexico, which is infamously alleged 388 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,200 to be a joint human extraterrestrial base. 389 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: Than Los Alamos, home to top tier nuclear and physics. 390 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: Research, Albuquerque Roswell, site of the forty seven crash, suggesting 391 00:19:27,519 --> 00:19:31,000 ongoing research there, and finally Area fifty one in Nevada. 392 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,799 Speaker 1: If that network is real, If the government can move 393 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,960 tech and people at high speeds across half the country 394 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,000 hidden deep underground, it just fundamentally changes how we have 395 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:42,799 to view the scale of this whole operation. 396 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: It implies Area fifty one isn't just a base. It's 397 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,559 the publicly known entrance to a secret, subterranean nation built 398 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,440 for continuity of operations in technological development. 399 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: We have to look at the people who actually commute 400 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,759 it into this secret world every day. Their mundane operational 401 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,640 details provide some of the most powerful kura operation for 402 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:02,000 these sensational claims. 403 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: And that brings us to Captain David Freehoff. 404 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: In a lead pilot, he flew the SR seventy one Blackbird, 405 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,079 an aircraft designed to fly faster than a rifle bullet. 406 00:20:10,319 --> 00:20:12,519 He was used to the extreme edge of aviation and 407 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:13,079 to fly. 408 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: The SR seventy one, he needed the highest level of 409 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,119 clearance SBI clearance. 410 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: What does that entail? 411 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: Special background investigation. This is not your basic background check. 412 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:26,839 It's an intense, comprehensive investigation into every aspect of your life, 413 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,519 your family, finances, relationships. It's required for access to the 414 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:36,440 most sensitive compartmented information. Freehoff had this clearance, which makes 415 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,519 his testimony exceptionally credible in military circles. 416 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: He was assigned to Area fifty one for six years 417 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,240 from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty five, and his 418 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,240 daily commute was standard operating procedure for the base. 419 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 2: He commuted daily from a Karen Airport in Las Vegas 420 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,880 on that mysterious government airline known as Janet Airlines. 421 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: The name Janet is a military acronym, but the details 422 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,920 from Freehoff and others like the long survey engineer TD 423 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,440 Barnes are key to understanding the isolation. 424 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: Barnes noted that the windows on the Janet Airlines seven 425 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,079 thirty sevens were blacked out. The employees were intentionally kept 426 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,880 from seeing where they were going. It's total environmental control. 427 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: Just imagine that psychological reality. Every day you get on 428 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,440 a normal looking seven thirty seven, but you're totally blind 429 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,759 to the outside world for the whole flight, knowing you're 430 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,720 flying into a place the government officially denies even exists. 431 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: That level of compartmentalization is immense. TD Barnes, the electrical 432 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,599 engineer who worked on classified projects there for over forty years, 433 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,400 didn't tell his own wife where he worked until two 434 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,200 thousand and nine. 435 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,799 Speaker 1: But Freehoff noticed something interesting once the Janet flight landed 436 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:39,400 at Groom. 437 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 2: Lake, a fascinating operational distinction. Most people went to the 438 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,119 main hangars and facilities, but a select higher cleared group 439 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,640 would get on a separate. 440 00:21:48,319 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: Bus, a bus that headed in a different direction to 441 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:55,440 a secretive facility code named Site four S four. 442 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,759 Speaker 2: And Freehoff an SR seventy one pilot with SBI clearance. 443 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,920 He admitted he knew about it four, but he didn't 444 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,079 know what they did there. His group went one way. 445 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,519 The mystery group went to S four, And. 446 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,319 Speaker 1: That distinction is crucial because it links directly to the 447 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:11,920 most controversial whistleblower in the entire area, fifty one Saga. 448 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,319 Bob Bazar Lazarre claimed he worked at S four in 449 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,640 the late eighties reverse engineering alien propulsion systems, and critics 450 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,440 have spent decades trying to discredit him, focusing on his 451 00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,839 lack of verifiable educational credentials. 452 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: But Freehoff, the top tier military insider, provides the most 453 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,079 powerful internal corroboration imaginable. 454 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: He said when he heard Lazarre describe the process, not 455 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:37,559 the fancy physics, but the boring operational steps. 456 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:39,799 Speaker 2: Getting on the Genet seven thirty seven, flying to Area 457 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:43,079 fifty one, going through the terminal, and then traveling specifically 458 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:44,160 by bus to S four. 459 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Freehoff said it sounded totally believable. It matched the exact, 460 00:22:49,319 --> 00:22:53,079 highly specific procedures of movement he himself had witnessed for 461 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,200 six years, and that is. 462 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,559 Speaker 2: The genius of the corroboration. Lazarre wasn't confirming advanced physics. 463 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,759 He was confirming the secret bus route. 464 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: A level of operational detail only an insider could know. 465 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: For someone like Freehoff, confirming the process validated Lazar's credibility 466 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,519 far more than any university diploma ever could. 467 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: And Freehoff didn't stop there. He claimed he knew people 468 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,279 who had worked for him, people with the right clearances, 469 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,359 who later admitted to seeing Bob Lazar physically at the 470 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,079 base after Freehoff himself had left. 471 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: Which directly counters decades of criticism saying Lazar fabricated his 472 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:30,920 entire presence there. It suggests the intense backlash against Lazar 473 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,480 was a deliberate counterintelligence. 474 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:34,599 Speaker 1: Effort to make sure the word did not get out. 475 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,079 Speaker 2: And the engineer TD. Barnes his testimony reinforces this reality 476 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:43,119 of working with technology beyond public knowledge. Barnes confirmed seeing 477 00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:46,440 weird planes, stuff he says no one else has ever seen. 478 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: Including what he described as a flying bathtub that had 479 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,039 no wings. 480 00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:53,559 Speaker 2: Even if those were just US prototypes, they were pushing 481 00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,720 the absolute boundaries of known aerodynamics, confirming the base was 482 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:00,160 the nexus of impossible flight technology. 483 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: So all this silence, all these rumors, they finally broke 484 00:24:03,559 --> 00:24:05,480 just a little bit in twenty thirteen, right. 485 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,319 Speaker 2: When the CIA officially declassified documents confirming the existence of 486 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,400 Area fifty one. 487 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: It was forced by a Freedom of Information Act request 488 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,720 a FOIA request, and acknowledged the base was established in 489 00:24:16,759 --> 00:24:17,839 nineteen fifty five. 490 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 2: So it validated what the entire UFO community had been 491 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,319 saying for decades. 492 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,559 Speaker 1: The location was real, but the government gave them the 493 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,559 exact minimal amount of information they legally could. 494 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,039 Speaker 2: It was a masterful exercise and controlled disclosure. They confirmed 495 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:33,519 the base existed, but emphatically refused to confirm the core 496 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,200 rumors crashed. UFOs recovered alien tech any of that, which. 497 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,519 Speaker 1: Of course just fueled the belief that the real secret 498 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:41,480 was still being hidden. 499 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,599 Speaker 2: And the common theory that unites all these whistleblower accounts 500 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:51,119 is that highly specialized experts, propulsion guys, engineers, physicists were 501 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:56,079 hired specifically to reverse engineer this alien technology. 502 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: Tech that was light years ahead of anything we had, 503 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,440 and apparently the success so that program is visible from 504 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,400 outside the perimeter. 505 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: That's what the source material claims. Observers using high powered 506 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,559 binoculars have reported seeing bright objects moving in these highly unusual. 507 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: Ways, specifically angular or zigzag. 508 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: Motions, right propulsion that is not readily identifiable. You simply 509 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,160 can't put a conventional engine on a plane that allows 510 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,359 it to make a ninety degree turn at high velocity. 511 00:25:21,559 --> 00:25:22,319 It's impossible. 512 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: This brings us to another key insider, BOYD Bushman. 513 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 2: Bushman provided some startlingly specific material evidence in a deathbed 514 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,799 confessional that was recorded in twenty fourteen, and. 515 00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:35,799 Speaker 1: His credentials were world class. A senior scientist at Lockheed 516 00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:39,400 Martin specializing in missile and laser technology. He claimed to 517 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,240 hold twenty seven patents. He was the definition of a 518 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:44,880 highly cleared technical insider. 519 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: And we have to acknowledge the context. It was a 520 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,279 deathbed confession, so you have to filter the high level 521 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:54,279 expertise from potential end of life delusion. But the level 522 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:58,319 of technical detail he provided it's what makes his testimony 523 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,599 so hard to just. 524 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 1: Dec Bushman claimed that during his career he met with 525 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,240 high clearance people at Area fifty one who gave him 526 00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:10,480 pieces of alleged extraterrestrial tech to analyze back at Lockheed. 527 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: And he was incredibly specific about the physical makeup of 528 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:13,480 these craft. 529 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,079 Speaker 1: He claimed the structural material the UFOs contained a specific 530 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,279 three element combination caesium, germanium, and palladium, and. 531 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: He specified the craft's fly using anti gravity technology. Now 532 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,519 the choice of those elements caesium, which is highly reactive, germanium, 533 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:32,279 a key semiconductor, and palladium, a rare metal used in catalysis, 534 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,680 it suggests a technical understanding of material science that goes 535 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:38,039 way beyond typical sci fi fantasy. 536 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: Bushman also claimed knowledge of the personnel. 537 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,599 Speaker 2: He said there are at least eighteen extraterrestrials who exist 538 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,559 and operate within the facility, and. 539 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,079 Speaker 1: His physical description was so specific. He said they're about 540 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,559 five foot four to five four tall, with unique eyes 541 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,920 and noses, but they have standard human features like five 542 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,079 fingers and five toes. 543 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,759 Speaker 2: That partial humanity just adds another layer of complexity to 544 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,039 their supposed origin. 545 00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:07,039 Speaker 1: So this technological focus. It leads to this grand philosophical question. 546 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,920 The source material poses. 547 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: How do you explain the massive leap in technological advancement? 548 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:16,000 Humanity has accomplished more technologically in the last seventy years 549 00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:18,279 than in the previous five thousand years combined. 550 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: And the implication put forth by the source is radical. 551 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: It's that the digital world, material science, the propulsion breakthroughs 552 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,920 of the twenty first century, they're being built on a 553 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,440 foundation of extraterrestrial technology, and. 554 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: Whether those materials were left deliberately or on accident, the 555 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,279 idea suggests a rapid technological program designed to bring humanity 556 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,440 up to a higher level. 557 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,559 Speaker 2: The engineer TD Barnes he gave us a glimpse into 558 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,720 the state of these classified programs. He was asked about 559 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,240 things like warp drive and anti matter. 560 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,599 Speaker 1: Propulsion, and he didn't scoff at it. 561 00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:53,079 Speaker 2: No, he said, believe me, we are trying it all. 562 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,000 We are advancing big time and fields that we can 563 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,920 only imagine. He even mentioned real current classified capabilities rods 564 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,200 from God, a secret space program capability basically tungsten rods 565 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,119 put into orbit designed to penetrate deep bunkers using pure 566 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,000 kinetic speed from space. This confirms that the technology being 567 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,880 pursued and deployed outside the public eye is truly breathtaking. 568 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,039 Speaker 1: So we've covered alien contact, political ambassadors, the technical details 569 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,359 of reverse engineering. But now he used to go back. 570 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: To j Rod, the insectoid entity from the nineteen fifty 571 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,440 three crash. 572 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: Because the microbiologist Dan Bursh's ultimate revelation, it completely twists 573 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,720 this entire narrative. 574 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,279 Speaker 2: This is the biological and chronological paradox that forces us 575 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:42,599 to redefine what alien even means. According to Dan Bursch's testimony, 576 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,079 Jrod claimed he was not an extraterrestrial, not from another 577 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:47,319 star system or galaxy. 578 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,279 Speaker 1: He said he came from our own future. 579 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 2: Which is a much more complex and frankly terrifying scenario 580 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:53,680 than just simple intergalactic visitors. 581 00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: Jrod claimed that at some point in our near future, 582 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,480 Earth suffers a massive world altering catastrophe, one. 583 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,279 Speaker 2: That destroys much of mankind and renders the surface uninhabitable 584 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:04,920 for a long long time. 585 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:09,039 Speaker 1: And the human population that survived this cataclysm, it's split. 586 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: It split into two distinct species. One group stayed on 587 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,000 the surface and declined dramatically. The other group was forced 588 00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:17,039 to move underground. 589 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: To survive, and over generations of adapting to those extreme conditions, 590 00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:26,720 they began to develop what Jrod called insectoid traits. 591 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 2: And this is where the story connects thousands of years 592 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,759 of human mythology directly to modern claims of reverse engineering. 593 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,559 The source highlights how this narrative aligns eerily with the 594 00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,759 ancient legends of the Hopi, Zuni and Navajo Native American. 595 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: Tribes, the legends of the Ant People right. 596 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 2: Those legends specifically state that during the transition between the 597 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,880 Third and fourth worlds, the Earth's surface became uninhabitable because 598 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,680 of great fire or flood. 599 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: And humans were forced to seek shelter. 600 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,559 Speaker 2: Underground, where they were cared for by the Ant people 601 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,720 for a significant period. If j Rod's story is true, 602 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,799 the mythological Ant People were just advanced, evolved future versions 603 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,480 of ourselves coming back through time to intervene. 604 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,119 Speaker 1: So, if Jrod is a human from our own future 605 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:12,279 evolved with these insectoid traits, the Deep Secret at Area 606 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:15,799 fifty one is in contact with them. It's contact with us, 607 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,319 our own descendants, trying to fix a catastrophic future event. 608 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:23,839 Speaker 2: And this leads to a surprising scientific parallel that makes 609 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,720 this outlandish claim seem disturbingly plausible. 610 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:30,119 Speaker 1: The concept of transposins or jumping genes. 611 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 2: The science suggests that up to half of the human 612 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,640 genome might be the result of these things, genes that 613 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,279 can rapidly transfer from one species to another. 614 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Wait, half of our DNA might not be originally human. 615 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:42,759 That sounds like genetic hijacking. 616 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: Think of a transpose like a self copying virus, a 617 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,799 piece of genetic code designed to jump. Imagine you get 618 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200 infected by a particular organism, a bacteria or an insect. 619 00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,039 That organism can insert copies of its own genetic code 620 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:57,000 directly into. 621 00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:58,559 Speaker 1: Your DNA, where it becomes fixed and. 622 00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: Can be passed on to future generations. The insect is 623 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,200 literally programming its traits into you. 624 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: The source cites a specific real world example of this. 625 00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: The rodnews insect, which spreads chagas disease. It can spread 626 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,000 its own genes into the organisms it infects. Humans get 627 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,640 choggass disease, and while the studies aren't complete yet, the 628 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,079 hypothesis is that we may already carry some of this 629 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,880 insect DNA in our systems. 630 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: So if future humans were forced underground in a different 631 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,119 biological environment, under intense evolutionary pressure. 632 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 2: The rapid insertion of genetic code from subterranean insects through 633 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:36,920 transposins or some other mechanism could lead to the rapid 634 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,880 development of those insectoid traits. 635 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,799 Speaker 1: Jrod described the unique eyes, the structural changes, the smaller size. 636 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: The insectoid characteristics might not be alien at all. They 637 00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:51,640 might be a massive, necessary evolutionary leap driven by necessity 638 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,480 and gene swapping. 639 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: And that raises the final monumental implication of the Jrod story. 640 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,839 If he's right, the anti gravity tech where supposedly reverse 641 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,519 engineering at area fifty one. 642 00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,359 Speaker 2: The materials Bushman described the zigzag movements. 643 00:32:05,559 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: It may not have been left on accident. It could 644 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000 have been deliberately introduced by our own future descendants. 645 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: The question then becomes, why are these future humans trying 646 00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,240 to subtly guide us using this reverse engineering program as 647 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,160 a cover to prepare us to withstand Earth's impending catastrophe, 648 00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:23,720 or are they. 649 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: Giving us the tech we need to get off the 650 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,279 planet to escape before the catastrophe that turned their ancestors 651 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,200 into the ant people even happens. 652 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,759 Speaker 2: The astonishing technological advancement of the twenty first century might 653 00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,920 just be as claimed guided intervention from the future. 654 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting when you weave all 655 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,359 these complex threads together. We started with the ultimate paradox, 656 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,759 a nuclear flash in nineteen fifty three that seems to 657 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,599 have triggered the Kingmen crash and the capture of j Rod. 658 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,079 Speaker 2: We followed the human architect Kelly Johnson, who risked his 659 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,880 entire career to report what he saw and was then 660 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,960 tasked with building the impenetrable vault to houses. 661 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: We detailed the sheer scale of the deception, from the 662 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,599 blacked out windows of Janet Airlines to this immense subterranean network. 663 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:11,279 Speaker 2: Allegedly connecting Cheyenne Mountain and Roswell, with the logistical secret 664 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,759 of heap leeching concealing the whole excavation. 665 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: And we heard that compelling operational confirmation from an SR 666 00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:22,799 seventy one pilot Freehoff that validated the most controversial whistleblower 667 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,359 of all, Bob Lazar. 668 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: And we synthesize the claims of senior scientists like Boyd Bushman, 669 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,480 detailing specific anti gravity materials, and the mind blowing biological 670 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:34,039 claims from Dan Burish. 671 00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:37,599 Speaker 1: Which pivot the entire narrative from intergalactic visitors to our 672 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,160 own chilling future evolution, backed up by the very real 673 00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,319 and terrifying science of transposins. 674 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,359 Speaker 2: The consistency, the cross corroboration of all these diverse accounts, 675 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:52,640 high level military pilots, senior engineers, specialized microbiologists, all converging 676 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,839 on the same desolate spot in Nevada. It forces you 677 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,160 to look past the CIA's minimal admission. 678 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: That admission, if these claims are true, was merely a 679 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,200 masterful distraction. 680 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 2: A distraction from the profound technological and biological implications that 681 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,360 suggest the foundation of the twenty first century was not 682 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,480 entirely our own ingenuity. 683 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,119 Speaker 1: But a carefully guided intervention from our own descendants. 684 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,519 Speaker 2: So the ponderable thought we'll leave you with is this, 685 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,679 If the astounding technological leaps of the last seventy years 686 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,920 were built on technology provided by our future selves, and 687 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,400 if that knowledge came with the warning of an imminent 688 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,000 global catastrophe, the one that created the ant people, what 689 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:30,960 does that say about the countdown clock we're. 690 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,519 Speaker 1: Currently living under, and are we prepared to use this 691 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,360 reverse engineered knowledge to save ourselves from becoming the very 692 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,679 beings we are now housing in area fifty one. 693 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: Given everything we've talked about the future, human evolution, the 694 00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:47,519 secret tech, the connection to ancient mythology, what single piece 695 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,960 of evidence or testimony stands out to you the most. 696 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,000 Is it the scientific possibility of the ant people or 697 00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,280 just the simple fact that a top secret SR seventy 698 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,519 one pilot confirms the existence of S four. 699 00:34:58,039 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: Leave us your thoughts in the comments below. Thank you 700 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,400 for joining us on this thrilling Threads deep dive