Speaker 1: You just imagine, right, the desert floor, just fractured and uncompromising,
stretching out under this impossible sky.
Speaker 2: That's the Nevada Test and Training Range. You can almost
feel the weight of not just history, but of silence.
Speaker 1: Exactly silence. When you think Area fifty one, you think secrecy, peak,
government secrecy. You think about stealth planes, experimental aircraft.
Speaker 2: Right, black projects, the stuff we expect them to be hiding.
That's just the surface level, and often that's the intentional distraction.
Speaker 1: So what's a real question we should be asking?
Speaker 2: The real exploration here, the one that changes everything, forces
you to ask something far more difficult. What if the
secrets aren't about what technology.
Speaker 1: Is being hidden, but who's doing the hiding.
Speaker 2: And more importantly, where they and their frankly astonishing technology
actually came from. The stories don't point to just a
military project. They converge on something like an ongoing interspecies collaboration.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads today. Our mission is to unpack
this incredibly complex and often corroborated stack of claims surrounding
the world's most famous secret base.
Speaker 2: We're synthesizing a whole dossier of sources, but we're mainly
focusing on a recent compilation of claims from the History Channel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's from their YouTube video inside look at Area
fifty one New theories revealed ancient alien's history. It's a
real deep collection of accounts.
Speaker 2: And these accounts are from high ranking military officers, senior scientists, engineers,
people who claim to have intimate knowledge of a history
that involves alien contact, reverse engineering, and I mean deep
multi generational government cover ups.
Speaker 1: We need to look at not just the sensational claims,
but the patterns.
Speaker 2: The consistent overlaps. That's what's so compelling. You have all
these diverse accounts that somehow improbably line up.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because the narrative, according to these sources,
it doesn't start quietly. It doesn't begin with a silent
crash in a field somewhere.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. It starts with humanity showing off
its greatest and most destructive power, an unmistakable trigger. We
can pinpoint the inciting incident, I mean precisely. The date
is May nineteenth, nineteen fifty three. The time is five
point zero five am. Yeah, where are we We're at
the yucka Flat, Nevada, test site. This was during a
major series of nuclear detonations. The whole operation was called upshot,
not hole, and.
Speaker 1: You need to understand upshot not hole wasn't a small test.
This is a series of eleven nuclear explosions in the
spring of fifty three. They were refining tactical nukes, testing
new delivery systems.
Speaker 2: It was the absolute height of Cold war paranoia. And
this is where the timeline gets critical. Within seconds, literally
seconds of that enormous atomic flash, multiple independent witnesses reported
seeing the same thing, a disc shaped object, a disc
shaped object rapidly descending from the sky. It was moving
at an almost impossible speed, heading south toward Las Vegas
before it just vanished into the mountains.
Speaker 1: So the implication is the blast did something to it.
Speaker 2: That's what the source suggests. The sheer energy of that
last maybe a specific electromagnetic pulse an EMP, or just
the violent release of energy. It might have been the
direct catalyst. It either disabled or severely disoriented the craft.
Speaker 1: That's like a movie scene, the moment humanity unleashes this
apocalypse level.
Speaker 2: Tech, a superior technology shows up and is apparently crippled
by it, and.
Speaker 1: The retrieval operation begins almost immediately, but not at the
test site.
Speaker 2: No far from it. Just forty eight hours later. The
government moves, and they move fast. A highly classified team
of forty engineers was secretly assembled in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 1: Forty engineers, and they.
Speaker 2: Were given an immediate top secret assignment investigate a crash
site about one hundred and seventy five miles south of
the nuke test site, near the little town of Kingman, Arizona.
Speaker 1: So put yourself in the shoes of one of those engineers, right.
Speaker 2: You're driven for hours in total secrecy. You get there
in the dead of night. The scene is swarming with
military police floodlights pointed at the center of the desert.
Speaker 1: The source is described the objects so vividly, a forty
foot diameter, disshaped craft. But here's the detail that just
breaks everything, the one that contradicts all our assumptions about
a crash.
Speaker 2: It was reported to be perfectly intact.
Speaker 1: Perfectly intact, not a single scratch on it.
Speaker 2: And that detail is a massive anomaly. I mean, if
a craft is disabled and hits the ground, it should
be a debris field scattered everywhere. Of course, the fact
that it was whole suggests what incredible structural resilience, A
soft touched landing system that partially worked. Maybe it was
even an intentional controlled glide failure. It wasn't just metal.
It was a complete intact vehicle.
Speaker 1: And there was more than just the vehicle.
Speaker 2: Yes, associated with it, or perhaps inside it were four
non human entities.
Speaker 1: So now the US government has it, Yeah, a wholly intact,
technologically superior craft from somewhere else and four biological entities
to go with it.
Speaker 2: They need a place to put it, a place that's
more secure than any conventional military base on Earth.
Speaker 1: And they find one groom Like.
Speaker 2: Exactly at the time, the place that would become Area
fifty one was, as the source puts it, just bare bones.
It was a remote, dry, empty landscape, perfect isolation. They
chose that valley, hidden deep inside a ring of mountains
for its absolute secrecy, Area fifty one. The base we
know was subsequently built around this initial location.
Speaker 1: So the theory isn't that the base was built for
the U two spyplane program.
Speaker 2: The theory is that the base was founded specifically to
contain the Kingmen. Retrieval The U two is the perfect
cover story later on, and.
Speaker 1: This brings us to the key figures with key entities,
I should say, the survivor of that Kingman incident.
Speaker 2: The being that linguists at the facility allegedly gave the
designation Jrod.
Speaker 1: Jrod. He's central to this whole narrative, isn't he?
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The story is that this being's entire mission was
to help the US government reverse engineer the technology from
that nineteen fifty three craft.
Speaker 1: And we have two very specific individuals who claimed direct involvement.
Speaker 2: With him, Yes, Captain bill Yuse and a microbiologist named
Dan Burrish.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Use. Former Navy pilot moved into experimental
testing for the Air Force. He claimed he was assigned
to Area fifty one in the mid nineteen sixties, right.
Speaker 2: And his job was to study the kingmancraft, and eventually
he claimed he had direct contact with Jrod.
Speaker 1: The description of that communication is it was bizarre, It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: UDA's claimed j Rod could talk, but the sound was
highly artificial. He said it sounded like a parrot.
Speaker 1: Like a parrot just mimicking.
Speaker 2: That was the impression, an entity mimicking human speech patterns
rather than naturally forming them. And the content was just
as strange. There was a critical constraint on their dialogue.
Speaker 1: What was that.
Speaker 2: Jerrod's advice was strictly and I mean strictly limited to
engineering advice or science advice, nothing else.
Speaker 1: That must have been incredibly frustrating for the engineers. You
have this ultimate source of cosmic knowledge sitting right there,
and all you can get are technical specs.
Speaker 2: Well, think about it. If jay Rod sounded like a parrot,
how could they even be sure the complex scientific concepts
were being translated correctly.
Speaker 1: The risk of misinterpretation would be huge. You could have
catastrophic misapplications of the technology.
Speaker 2: It's a critical point. It speaks to either a limitation
in Jrod's ability to communicate across this massive biological and
linguistic divide, or or what or something far more intriguing,
a highly specific protocol of engagement. Maybe it wasn't a
collaboration but a transaction. Just the schematics exactly. The entity
provides only the necessary technical data, maybe to limit the
spiritual or philosophical impact on humanity. The language difficulty could
have been a built in safeguard, forcing the humans to
focus only on the hard science.
Speaker 1: And then you have Dan Burisch the microbiologist. He provides
the continuity for this story right.
Speaker 2: He claimed he was hired specifically to provide care for
Jrod over many years. This suggests Jrod wasn't a prisoner
or a temporary asset.
Speaker 1: He was a long term resident, one that required complex
biological maintenance.
Speaker 2: And their accounts converge on the location. Both US and
Burish claimed Jrod was housed in a special, highly secured
underground chamber. US even specified it was a secret lab
deep within the Papoose Mountains, which.
Speaker 1: Is a distinct, heavily guarded section of the area fifty
one complex.
Speaker 2: It all points to a multi decade commitment by the
US government to exploit this one single asset and its craft.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the story of j Rod suggests this deep
underground scientific and technological collaboration. But the material also suggests
it wasn't just about engineering. It extended into geopolitics.
Speaker 2: It really does. We're moving from the lab bench, to
believe it or not, the Oval Office.
Speaker 1: This broadens the narrative into something even more provocative.
Speaker 2: It's the idea that the government was engaging with these
non human entities on multiple levels, not just getting texbecs,
but receiving policy and well Diplomatic Council.
Speaker 1: And the most detailed account of this kind of presidential
contact involves an individual named Valiant Thor.
Speaker 2: Right, if j Rod was the scientific consultant stuck in
a lab at Area fifty one, Valiant.
Speaker 1: Thor was allegedly the extraterrestrial ambassador operating openly in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2: The account comes mainly from Frank Strange's a chaplain, who
claimed he held top secret clearance and look at the
date nineteen fifty seven, it aligns perfectly with the burgeoning
operations at Area fifty one.
Speaker 1: The story goes that in nineteen fifty seven, a UFO
landed dramatically in Virginia, right near the nation's capital.
Speaker 2: And when the police showed up, a gentleman steps out,
Valiant Thor. He looked entirely human mostly but crucially he
demanded to see the president, whit d Eisenhower.
Speaker 1: And the reaction to the authorities is what's so telling.
Speaker 2: Exactly. He wasn't thrown in a stockade. He was taken
directly to the Pentagon. This implies that protocols for this
kind of thing were either already in place or they
immediately recognized the gravity of the situation, A meeting with
Eisenhower was arranged and quickly.
Speaker 1: So what was the message? What did he bring from
the stars to the leader of the free world.
Speaker 2: His core message was one of grave concern, specifically about
humanity's use of nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: So he was advising against proliferation, warning about the atomic age.
Speaker 2: And that connects directly back to our inciting incident, doesn't it,
The nineteen fifty three nuclear tests that preceded the Kingman crash.
It suggests a coordinated extraterrestrial reaction to humanity reaching this
critical self destructive technological threshold.
Speaker 1: This just changes the whole dynamic. If jay Rudd was
given them.
Speaker 2: The tech, Valiant Thor was providing the moral or political
framework for its use. It reframes the entire Cold War.
It's not just a geopolitical conflict anymore. It's a complex
negotiation between Earth and some kind of cosmic advisory body.
Speaker 1: And the story gets even deeper. Strangers claimed Valiant Thor
didn't just meet with Ike and then leave.
Speaker 2: Now. He allegedly stayed on Earth for about three years,
embedded within the Pentagon, interacting with top level government officials.
Speaker 1: Three years an extraterrestrial ambassador advising US policy. I mean,
the implications for global events during the late nineteen fifties
are just staggering.
Speaker 2: Was he influencing space exploration, missile development, international treaties? You
have to wonder.
Speaker 1: The theory is that he was an envoy from a
more advanced civilization and they saw our nuclear arms race
as a direct threat. We got just us, but to.
Speaker 2: The stability of the entire planetary system. If j Rod's
faction was the expedient one, here's the tech figure it out.
Thor may have represented the cautious moral faction, warning US
against misusing it.
Speaker 1: The consistency is what gets me. A new test happens,
a craft immediately crashes or lands. Four years later, a
diplomatic envoy shows up and his only concern is nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: It paints a picture of intelligent oversight, one that reacts
to our technological.
Speaker 1: Leaps, which raises that huge question. Was there concern purely
humanitarian or was it about preserving some cosmic balance that
are primitive? Destructive technology was threading to upset.
Speaker 2: The valiant Thor story suggests they view Earth as a
critical piece in a larger network, a piece that requires
strategic intervention to ensure its survival, and maybe it's compliance
with some kind of galactic norms.
Speaker 1: So we had the engineer j Rod and the ambassador
Valiant Thor. Now let's pivot to the human architect, the
man responsible for building the physical vault where all these
secrets would be kept.
Speaker 2: Clarence Kelly Johnson perhaps.
Speaker 1: The most important figure in twentieth century American aviation, no question.
Speaker 2: He founded and was the first head of Lockheed's legendary
skunk Works division. He ran it from the forties through
nineteen seventy five. His mainstream credentials are I mean, they're unimpeachable.
Speaker 1: His achievements are just mind bending. During World War Two,
he initiated the jet age for the US military, developing
the P eighty Shooting Star from concept to flight in
an astonishing one hundred and forty three days, and.
Speaker 2: Later he was responsible for the U two spyplane, an
aircraft that could fly at eighty thousand feet, giving the
US critical intelligence during the Cold War. He was the
ultimate insider, highly cleared, technical genius, which.
Speaker 1: Is what makes his personal UFO encounter so deeply impactful
to this old story.
Speaker 2: The timing is again critical December sixteenth, nineteen fifty three,
just seven months after the nuclear blast and the Kingman.
Speaker 1: Crash, Johnson, along with several of his colleagues, had a
famous sighting in Agura, California.
Speaker 2: He saw what he described as a very very unusual object.
And you have to remember this is the man who
knew every secret play in the US was building. He
stated flatly that this object was beyond any known technology
of the time, and.
Speaker 1: He reported it. The career risk he took there is
just immense.
Speaker 2: It was an era where the government actively mocked UFO claims.
For the head of Skunkworks to go on record with
his own sketches, which were then preserved in the Project
Blue Book files, he.
Speaker 1: Could have been sidelined, seen as unreliable, lost his clearance,
but he wasn't penalized.
Speaker 2: Two years later he was given one of the most
significant defense contracts in history. He played the pivotal role
in founding Area fifty one.
Speaker 1: He was a specific person who identified that remote spot
near Groom Lake. He called it a good strategic location, remote,
surrounded by mountains.
Speaker 2: And perfectly designed to keep out prying eyes.
Speaker 1: So this is the core of the connection. Was Area
fifty one founded only to test the U two spyplane.
Speaker 2: I mean, the U two was so revolutionary it often
looked like a UFO to people on the ground. It
was the perfect cover story. Or did Kelly Johnson, a
man who believed he had personally witnessed an alien craft
just months after the king Men retrieval, deliberately choose that
specific isolated location as the best place on Earth to
house and reverse engineer the very technology he was now
convinced existed.
Speaker 1: It feels like too much of a coincidence. The greatest
aviation mind of the country sees an impossible craft in
late fifty three. By fifty five, he's the one task
with securing the most secretive patch of desert in America.
Speaker 2: The implication is that he was brought into the highest
levels of the cover up. His technical genius and his
personal conviction made him the only one truly equipped to
manage the secrecy required for this this non human technology.
Speaker 1: His role changed. He went from building the cutting edge
of human tech to securing the evidence of tech that
was beyond even his own genius.
Speaker 2: If he was chosen because he was both a technical
master and a true believer, it radically alters the official
story of Area fifty one's founding. It's not about experimental
aircraft testing anymore.
Speaker 1: It's about intentional technological security for non human assets.
Speaker 2: Decisely, and that security started with Johnson's choice of location
in the fifties. But if you look at satellite images
of the base today, the visible part of it, it
doesn't seem big enough.
Speaker 1: Not for the scope of the secret programs rumored to
be running there.
Speaker 2: And the answer, according to researchers, is that the base
didn't expand outward. It expanded dramatically downward.
Speaker 1: This massive shift to subterranean construction seems inevitable.
Speaker 2: Really, it's a direct response to satellite technology and you know,
just the growing number of curious people with long range cameras.
To maintain absolute secrecy, you have to go deep.
Speaker 1: This is where that twenty eighteen investigation by researcher Wolf
mccaren and mining expert Christian Grenow comes in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they shed a lot of light on the scale
of the operation. They focused on old Nevada mines like
the Tempute mine. Grenow, who's worked in that region since
the nineties, claimed these old mines of being.
Speaker 1: Repurposed connected to Area fifty one's deep underground.
Speaker 2: Facilities, he said, the visible surface stuff, that's the fifties
and sixties footprint. Everything truly secret now happens hundreds, maybe
thousands of feet below the surface.
Speaker 1: But if you're doing that much digging, you create a
huge logistical.
Speaker 2: Problem, the dirt problem. It's the biggest issue any massive
construction project faces. Where do you put the dirt? If
you're excavating miles of tunnels, you generate literal mountains of displaced.
Speaker 1: Earth and rock, And Grenaw offered this brilliant and frankly
frighteningly specific solution.
Speaker 2: He claimed, the dirt is taken to nearby mines and
put into huge mountains for a process called called heap leaching.
Speaker 1: Okay, we need to slow down and explain heap leaching,
because if this is the secret, it is a stroke
of genius in concealment.
Speaker 2: It's a legitimate, large scale industrial mining process. It's mainly
used to get metals like popper or gold out of
low grade ore.
Speaker 1: How does it work?
Speaker 2: In simple terms, they pile the crushed rock up hundreds
of feet high, usually on a big plastic liner. Then
they run hoses through the pile and leach in a
highly reactive chemical.
Speaker 1: Solution, something like cyanide or mercury.
Speaker 2: Historically yes, or a combination of strong acids. This solution
slowly dissolves the material, carrying the target metals away with it.
Speaker 1: So instead of a big fresh pile of dirt outside
Area fifty one that just screams we're digging a huge tunnel.
Speaker 2: The dirt is moved to an existing remote industrial site,
and because of the chemical process, it effectively reduces the
large volume of rock and boulders to nothing, or at
least reduces it dramatically.
Speaker 1: And at the same time it gives the whole operation
a completely plausible cover story of commercial mining.
Speaker 2: It's an untraceable, sustainable way to dispose of the evidence
of deep subterranean excavation.
Speaker 1: And Grenow even alleged that the local miners.
Speaker 2: Were bought off not with cash, but with the valuable
material in the ore itself. He claimed the displaced rock
has significant amounts of gold, silver, and lead. The local
miners were apparently happy to accept this material as hush
up money to conceal the base's tunneling operations.
Speaker 1: It's an entire integrated system of industrial camouflage and local
economic bribery.
Speaker 2: And the scope of this underground work. It's believed to
go far beyond just Area fifty one itself. The source
suggests Area fifty one is just one node in a
truly vast, interconnected subterranean network.
Speaker 1: The military's original justification for building underground was what protection
from a Soviet atomic strike?
Speaker 2: Right, But they seem to have taken that idea and
just run a marathon with it. This alleged subterranean subway
system is believed to be centered around the already massive,
hollowed out Cheyenne Mountain.
Speaker 1: Complex that's nor AD Central Command in Colorado Springs.
Speaker 2: And the alleged connections are continent spanning, using high speed
maglev type trains to shuttle people and technology around.
Speaker 1: And the tunnels are said to connect Cheyenne Mountain to
five key sites.
Speaker 2: Yes number one Dulshane, New Mexico, which is infamously alleged
to be a joint human extraterrestrial base.
Speaker 1: Than Los Alamos, home to top tier nuclear and physics.
Speaker 2: Research, Albuquerque Roswell, site of the forty seven crash, suggesting
ongoing research there, and finally Area fifty one in Nevada.
Speaker 1: If that network is real, If the government can move
tech and people at high speeds across half the country
hidden deep underground, it just fundamentally changes how we have
to view the scale of this whole operation.
Speaker 2: It implies Area fifty one isn't just a base. It's
the publicly known entrance to a secret, subterranean nation built
for continuity of operations in technological development.
Speaker 1: We have to look at the people who actually commute
it into this secret world every day. Their mundane operational
details provide some of the most powerful kura operation for
these sensational claims.
Speaker 2: And that brings us to Captain David Freehoff.
Speaker 1: In a lead pilot, he flew the SR seventy one Blackbird,
an aircraft designed to fly faster than a rifle bullet.
He was used to the extreme edge of aviation and
to fly.
Speaker 2: The SR seventy one, he needed the highest level of
clearance SBI clearance.
Speaker 1: What does that entail?
Speaker 2: Special background investigation. This is not your basic background check.
It's an intense, comprehensive investigation into every aspect of your life,
your family, finances, relationships. It's required for access to the
most sensitive compartmented information. Freehoff had this clearance, which makes
his testimony exceptionally credible in military circles.
Speaker 1: He was assigned to Area fifty one for six years
from nineteen seventy nine to nineteen eighty five, and his
daily commute was standard operating procedure for the base.
Speaker 2: He commuted daily from a Karen Airport in Las Vegas
on that mysterious government airline known as Janet Airlines.
Speaker 1: The name Janet is a military acronym, but the details
from Freehoff and others like the long survey engineer TD
Barnes are key to understanding the isolation.
Speaker 2: Barnes noted that the windows on the Janet Airlines seven
thirty sevens were blacked out. The employees were intentionally kept
from seeing where they were going. It's total environmental control.
Speaker 1: Just imagine that psychological reality. Every day you get on
a normal looking seven thirty seven, but you're totally blind
to the outside world for the whole flight, knowing you're
flying into a place the government officially denies even exists.
Speaker 2: That level of compartmentalization is immense. TD Barnes, the electrical
engineer who worked on classified projects there for over forty years,
didn't tell his own wife where he worked until two
thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: But Freehoff noticed something interesting once the Janet flight landed
at Groom.
Speaker 2: Lake, a fascinating operational distinction. Most people went to the
main hangars and facilities, but a select higher cleared group
would get on a separate.
Speaker 1: Bus, a bus that headed in a different direction to
a secretive facility code named Site four S four.
Speaker 2: And Freehoff an SR seventy one pilot with SBI clearance.
He admitted he knew about it four, but he didn't
know what they did there. His group went one way.
The mystery group went to S four, And.
Speaker 1: That distinction is crucial because it links directly to the
most controversial whistleblower in the entire area, fifty one Saga.
Bob Bazar Lazarre claimed he worked at S four in
the late eighties reverse engineering alien propulsion systems, and critics
have spent decades trying to discredit him, focusing on his
lack of verifiable educational credentials.
Speaker 2: But Freehoff, the top tier military insider, provides the most
powerful internal corroboration imaginable.
Speaker 1: He said when he heard Lazarre describe the process, not
the fancy physics, but the boring operational steps.
Speaker 2: Getting on the Genet seven thirty seven, flying to Area
fifty one, going through the terminal, and then traveling specifically
by bus to S four.
Speaker 1: Freehoff said it sounded totally believable. It matched the exact,
highly specific procedures of movement he himself had witnessed for
six years, and that is.
Speaker 2: The genius of the corroboration. Lazarre wasn't confirming advanced physics.
He was confirming the secret bus route.
Speaker 1: A level of operational detail only an insider could know.
Speaker 2: For someone like Freehoff, confirming the process validated Lazar's credibility
far more than any university diploma ever could.
Speaker 1: And Freehoff didn't stop there. He claimed he knew people
who had worked for him, people with the right clearances,
who later admitted to seeing Bob Lazar physically at the
base after Freehoff himself had left.
Speaker 2: Which directly counters decades of criticism saying Lazar fabricated his
entire presence there. It suggests the intense backlash against Lazar
was a deliberate counterintelligence.
Speaker 1: Effort to make sure the word did not get out.
Speaker 2: And the engineer TD. Barnes his testimony reinforces this reality
of working with technology beyond public knowledge. Barnes confirmed seeing
weird planes, stuff he says no one else has ever seen.
Speaker 1: Including what he described as a flying bathtub that had
no wings.
Speaker 2: Even if those were just US prototypes, they were pushing
the absolute boundaries of known aerodynamics, confirming the base was
the nexus of impossible flight technology.
Speaker 1: So all this silence, all these rumors, they finally broke
just a little bit in twenty thirteen, right.
Speaker 2: When the CIA officially declassified documents confirming the existence of
Area fifty one.
Speaker 1: It was forced by a Freedom of Information Act request
a FOIA request, and acknowledged the base was established in
nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: So it validated what the entire UFO community had been
saying for decades.
Speaker 1: The location was real, but the government gave them the
exact minimal amount of information they legally could.
Speaker 2: It was a masterful exercise and controlled disclosure. They confirmed
the base existed, but emphatically refused to confirm the core
rumors crashed. UFOs recovered alien tech any of that, which.
Speaker 1: Of course just fueled the belief that the real secret
was still being hidden.
Speaker 2: And the common theory that unites all these whistleblower accounts
is that highly specialized experts, propulsion guys, engineers, physicists were
hired specifically to reverse engineer this alien technology.
Speaker 1: Tech that was light years ahead of anything we had,
and apparently the success so that program is visible from
outside the perimeter.
Speaker 2: That's what the source material claims. Observers using high powered
binoculars have reported seeing bright objects moving in these highly unusual.
Speaker 1: Ways, specifically angular or zigzag.
Speaker 2: Motions, right propulsion that is not readily identifiable. You simply
can't put a conventional engine on a plane that allows
it to make a ninety degree turn at high velocity.
It's impossible.
Speaker 1: This brings us to another key insider, BOYD Bushman.
Speaker 2: Bushman provided some startlingly specific material evidence in a deathbed
confessional that was recorded in twenty fourteen, and.
Speaker 1: His credentials were world class. A senior scientist at Lockheed
Martin specializing in missile and laser technology. He claimed to
hold twenty seven patents. He was the definition of a
highly cleared technical insider.
Speaker 2: And we have to acknowledge the context. It was a
deathbed confession, so you have to filter the high level
expertise from potential end of life delusion. But the level
of technical detail he provided it's what makes his testimony
so hard to just.
Speaker 1: Dec Bushman claimed that during his career he met with
high clearance people at Area fifty one who gave him
pieces of alleged extraterrestrial tech to analyze back at Lockheed.
Speaker 2: And he was incredibly specific about the physical makeup of
these craft.
Speaker 1: He claimed the structural material the UFOs contained a specific
three element combination caesium, germanium, and palladium, and.
Speaker 2: He specified the craft's fly using anti gravity technology. Now
the choice of those elements caesium, which is highly reactive, germanium,
a key semiconductor, and palladium, a rare metal used in catalysis,
it suggests a technical understanding of material science that goes
way beyond typical sci fi fantasy.
Speaker 1: Bushman also claimed knowledge of the personnel.
Speaker 2: He said there are at least eighteen extraterrestrials who exist
and operate within the facility, and.
Speaker 1: His physical description was so specific. He said they're about
five foot four to five four tall, with unique eyes
and noses, but they have standard human features like five
fingers and five toes.
Speaker 2: That partial humanity just adds another layer of complexity to
their supposed origin.
Speaker 1: So this technological focus. It leads to this grand philosophical question.
The source material poses.
Speaker 2: How do you explain the massive leap in technological advancement?
Humanity has accomplished more technologically in the last seventy years
than in the previous five thousand years combined.
Speaker 1: And the implication put forth by the source is radical.
Speaker 2: It's that the digital world, material science, the propulsion breakthroughs
of the twenty first century, they're being built on a
foundation of extraterrestrial technology, and.
Speaker 1: Whether those materials were left deliberately or on accident, the
idea suggests a rapid technological program designed to bring humanity
up to a higher level.
Speaker 2: The engineer TD Barnes he gave us a glimpse into
the state of these classified programs. He was asked about
things like warp drive and anti matter.
Speaker 1: Propulsion, and he didn't scoff at it.
Speaker 2: No, he said, believe me, we are trying it all.
We are advancing big time and fields that we can
only imagine. He even mentioned real current classified capabilities rods
from God, a secret space program capability basically tungsten rods
put into orbit designed to penetrate deep bunkers using pure
kinetic speed from space. This confirms that the technology being
pursued and deployed outside the public eye is truly breathtaking.
Speaker 1: So we've covered alien contact, political ambassadors, the technical details
of reverse engineering. But now he used to go back.
Speaker 2: To j Rod, the insectoid entity from the nineteen fifty
three crash.
Speaker 1: Because the microbiologist Dan Bursh's ultimate revelation, it completely twists
this entire narrative.
Speaker 2: This is the biological and chronological paradox that forces us
to redefine what alien even means. According to Dan Bursch's testimony,
Jrod claimed he was not an extraterrestrial, not from another
star system or galaxy.
Speaker 1: He said he came from our own future.
Speaker 2: Which is a much more complex and frankly terrifying scenario
than just simple intergalactic visitors.
Speaker 1: Jrod claimed that at some point in our near future,
Earth suffers a massive world altering catastrophe, one.
Speaker 2: That destroys much of mankind and renders the surface uninhabitable
for a long long time.
Speaker 1: And the human population that survived this cataclysm, it's split.
Speaker 2: It split into two distinct species. One group stayed on
the surface and declined dramatically. The other group was forced
to move underground.
Speaker 1: To survive, and over generations of adapting to those extreme conditions,
they began to develop what Jrod called insectoid traits.
Speaker 2: And this is where the story connects thousands of years
of human mythology directly to modern claims of reverse engineering.
The source highlights how this narrative aligns eerily with the
ancient legends of the Hopi, Zuni and Navajo Native American.
Speaker 1: Tribes, the legends of the Ant People right.
Speaker 2: Those legends specifically state that during the transition between the
Third and fourth worlds, the Earth's surface became uninhabitable because
of great fire or flood.
Speaker 1: And humans were forced to seek shelter.
Speaker 2: Underground, where they were cared for by the Ant people
for a significant period. If j Rod's story is true,
the mythological Ant People were just advanced, evolved future versions
of ourselves coming back through time to intervene.
Speaker 1: So, if Jrod is a human from our own future
evolved with these insectoid traits, the Deep Secret at Area
fifty one is in contact with them. It's contact with us,
our own descendants, trying to fix a catastrophic future event.
Speaker 2: And this leads to a surprising scientific parallel that makes
this outlandish claim seem disturbingly plausible.
Speaker 1: The concept of transposins or jumping genes.
Speaker 2: The science suggests that up to half of the human
genome might be the result of these things, genes that
can rapidly transfer from one species to another.
Speaker 1: Wait, half of our DNA might not be originally human.
That sounds like genetic hijacking.
Speaker 2: Think of a transpose like a self copying virus, a
piece of genetic code designed to jump. Imagine you get
infected by a particular organism, a bacteria or an insect.
That organism can insert copies of its own genetic code
directly into.
Speaker 1: Your DNA, where it becomes fixed and.
Speaker 2: Can be passed on to future generations. The insect is
literally programming its traits into you.
Speaker 1: The source cites a specific real world example of this.
Speaker 2: The rodnews insect, which spreads chagas disease. It can spread
its own genes into the organisms it infects. Humans get
choggass disease, and while the studies aren't complete yet, the
hypothesis is that we may already carry some of this
insect DNA in our systems.
Speaker 1: So if future humans were forced underground in a different
biological environment, under intense evolutionary pressure.
Speaker 2: The rapid insertion of genetic code from subterranean insects through
transposins or some other mechanism could lead to the rapid
development of those insectoid traits.
Speaker 1: Jrod described the unique eyes, the structural changes, the smaller size.
Speaker 2: The insectoid characteristics might not be alien at all. They
might be a massive, necessary evolutionary leap driven by necessity
and gene swapping.
Speaker 1: And that raises the final monumental implication of the Jrod story.
If he's right, the anti gravity tech where supposedly reverse
engineering at area fifty one.
Speaker 2: The materials Bushman described the zigzag movements.
Speaker 1: It may not have been left on accident. It could
have been deliberately introduced by our own future descendants.
Speaker 2: The question then becomes, why are these future humans trying
to subtly guide us using this reverse engineering program as
a cover to prepare us to withstand Earth's impending catastrophe,
or are they.
Speaker 1: Giving us the tech we need to get off the
planet to escape before the catastrophe that turned their ancestors
into the ant people even happens.
Speaker 2: The astonishing technological advancement of the twenty first century might
just be as claimed guided intervention from the future.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting when you weave all
these complex threads together. We started with the ultimate paradox,
a nuclear flash in nineteen fifty three that seems to
have triggered the Kingmen crash and the capture of j Rod.
Speaker 2: We followed the human architect Kelly Johnson, who risked his
entire career to report what he saw and was then
tasked with building the impenetrable vault to houses.
Speaker 1: We detailed the sheer scale of the deception, from the
blacked out windows of Janet Airlines to this immense subterranean network.
Speaker 2: Allegedly connecting Cheyenne Mountain and Roswell, with the logistical secret
of heap leeching concealing the whole excavation.
Speaker 1: And we heard that compelling operational confirmation from an SR
seventy one pilot Freehoff that validated the most controversial whistleblower
of all, Bob Lazar.
Speaker 2: And we synthesize the claims of senior scientists like Boyd Bushman,
detailing specific anti gravity materials, and the mind blowing biological
claims from Dan Burish.
Speaker 1: Which pivot the entire narrative from intergalactic visitors to our
own chilling future evolution, backed up by the very real
and terrifying science of transposins.
Speaker 2: The consistency, the cross corroboration of all these diverse accounts,
high level military pilots, senior engineers, specialized microbiologists, all converging
on the same desolate spot in Nevada. It forces you
to look past the CIA's minimal admission.
Speaker 1: That admission, if these claims are true, was merely a
masterful distraction.
Speaker 2: A distraction from the profound technological and biological implications that
suggest the foundation of the twenty first century was not
entirely our own ingenuity.
Speaker 1: But a carefully guided intervention from our own descendants.
Speaker 2: So the ponderable thought we'll leave you with is this,
If the astounding technological leaps of the last seventy years
were built on technology provided by our future selves, and
if that knowledge came with the warning of an imminent
global catastrophe, the one that created the ant people, what
does that say about the countdown clock we're.
Speaker 1: Currently living under, and are we prepared to use this
reverse engineered knowledge to save ourselves from becoming the very
beings we are now housing in area fifty one.
Speaker 2: Given everything we've talked about the future, human evolution, the
secret tech, the connection to ancient mythology, what single piece
of evidence or testimony stands out to you the most.
Is it the scientific possibility of the ant people or
just the simple fact that a top secret SR seventy
one pilot confirms the existence of S four.
Speaker 1: Leave us your thoughts in the comments below. Thank you
for joining us on this thrilling Threads deep dive